Alex Jones Show - 20050607_Tue_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

00:00:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Hello, my friends.

00:00:34.000 The seventh day of June, 2005.

00:00:37.000 We'll be live for the next three hours.

00:00:41.000 Two big guests coming up.

00:00:42.000 We've got the president of the Social Anthropology Association over in England coming on to talk about, well, our CIA.

00:00:53.000 It's not just paying off most of the different research heads in this country and many of the students in key areas, but also overseas.

00:01:04.000 Buying up all the young minds to go out and basically have covert agents and spies everywhere. 0.85

00:01:11.000 Remember, we have a government that will pay 242 million dollars for one buy of fake newscasts for one federal issue they wanted to push.

00:01:24.000 Billions and billions and billions and billions.

00:01:27.000 We know it's in the tens of billions.

00:01:29.000 Per year is spent On covert propaganda against the American people and the people of the world.

00:01:38.000 So we'll be discussing that also.

00:01:39.000 We're going to have a gentleman who worked at the highest levels of the Reagan administration, also inside the NSA, Wayne Madison, coming on.

00:01:49.000 To give us really a wide view of just many of the different things that are going on with this high-tech NSA control grid and the latest police state developments as well.

00:02:01.000 And we're going to have open phones, toll-free number to join us here on air, 1-800-259-9231.

00:02:11.000 I was watching Fox Television a couple days ago, and they had the President of Amnesty International on, They were basically screaming at him, haranguing him, saying, you don't have any proof of torture.

00:02:31.000 You've made all this up.

00:02:33.000 And the Amnesty International head, Mr. Shultz, Didn't do a very good job of bringing forward the evidence.

00:02:43.000 I mean, he didn't say, we have the Attorney General's own memos, when he was Chief Counsel at the White House, saying we can torture people to death, we can strap them to tables and dunk them in water, ordering the military to carry out this.

00:02:56.000 He didn't mention all the photos of people beaten to death, or Brigadier General Tagumba's own report of a year and a half ago.

00:03:05.000 He didn't mention Brigadier General Rick Baucus quitting, leaving Camp X for refusing to torture.

00:03:10.000 He didn't mention a month ago, uh, one of the chief interrogators quitting and saying they were torturing people.

00:03:18.000 I mean, but I guess Fox News commentator wouldn't let him get a word in edgewise to begin with, so.

00:03:25.000 But I mean, I wish they'd put me on camera. 0.96

00:03:28.000 I mean, I would skewer those little government pimps. 1.00

00:03:33.000 And then now WorldNetDaily's got an article about, be like John Wayne, don't apologize to the Muslims. 0.91

00:03:39.000 Why, they need to apologize to us.

00:03:41.000 You're not with the Muslims, are ya? 1.00

00:03:44.000 Why, they're bad! 1.00

00:03:45.000 They torture people!

00:03:46.000 I mean, it's... it's so crazy.

00:03:48.000 So I want to go over torture.

00:03:51.000 But I've been talking about it a long time ago.

00:03:52.000 I remember about three or four years ago, I was always talking about torture.

00:03:55.000 I put it in Road to Tyranny.

00:03:57.000 Really focused on it.

00:03:58.000 People were like, why are you talking about torture so much?

00:04:00.000 Because it was going on all over the planet.

00:04:04.000 In our government, our illegitimate government has really exported it everywhere and they mean for the rest of the planet to learn of it, but domestically we're not supposed to find out about it.

00:04:14.000 Very sophisticated propaganda game we're talking about and we're going to go over it.

00:04:20.000 Also, personal data of 3.9 million people lost in transit.

00:04:25.000 So that's another big identity theft problem, but that's okay.

00:04:29.000 Let's just take microchips and that'll fix it. 1.00

00:04:32.000 Leukemia risk 70% higher for children near high-power power lines.

00:04:40.000 Hollywood puts the bill for spy cams more on that.

00:04:44.000 Tanks rolling around in New York City.

00:04:48.000 But none of that's important.

00:04:50.000 We'll talk about Russell Crowe throwing a telephone at somebody.

00:04:53.000 Or Michael Jackson, perhaps.

00:04:56.000 There's a lot coming up, stay with us.

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00:08:02.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

00:08:09.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:12.000 We've got John Leadhill, president of Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists, joining us.

00:08:24.000 Coming up a little bit later to talk about how our government, our CIA, is basically buying off their best and brightest minds at the universities.

00:08:34.000 While they go to school, they are basically CIA officers, they go to CIA secret training camps during the summer, they get all their expenses and tuition paid, and they're not allowed to tell anybody about it.

00:08:47.000 And it's the same for a lot of people in the psychology departments, in the engineering departments, and in this country it's almost 90% of all of the actual science graduate students

00:09:02.000 Their funding comes from the Defense Department or from allied agencies, DARPA and others, and a large portion of those, we're not sure how many, but a large portion, an ocean of them, are on the NSA, CIA, Defense Intelligence, Department of Education, Department of Transportation, Department of Agriculture, secret payroll!

00:09:27.000 Boy, I tell ya, working for the globalists really pays off!

00:09:33.000 Meanwhile, the rest of the economy shuts down, but the entire intelligentsia is bought and paid for from the time they even begin to get ready to leave college.

00:09:41.000 So that's coming up.

00:09:43.000 Also, we will get into what's happening with the police state with Wayne Madison.

00:09:50.000 We'll expose Karl Rove.

00:09:52.000 We'll talk about the neocon power grab at the NSA and an attempt to stifle the press in America.

00:09:57.000 This is from Online Journal with Wayne Madison.

00:10:01.000 Wayne Madison's an amazing individual.

00:10:03.000 He's an investigative journalist, nationally distributed columnist, and author who has covered Washington, D.C.

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00:10:21.000 Madison is the author of Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa.

00:10:26.000 Co-author of American Nightmare, The Presidency of George Bush II, and the forthcoming jaded task, Big Oil, Black Ops, and Brass Plates.

00:10:36.000 Madison is also author of Handbook on Personal Data Protection.

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00:11:12.000 He's been breaking a lot of big stories.

00:11:15.000 Coming up a little bit later as well.

00:11:20.000 Just an important little addendum or side note to our Bohemian Grove coverage.

00:11:26.000 Up until my infiltration of Bohemian Grove in July of 2000, coming up on the fifth year, five-year anniversary here in a few months, before we snuck in there, there were probably about 30 or 40 news reports going back to turn of the last century, you know, 1905, where it would talk about Howard Taft going there and how the elite of America would meet in a Redwood retreat,

00:11:57.000 Presidents and others would travel by train, you know, over a week to get there.

00:12:02.000 They would meet under heavy guard in the woods and do bizarre rituals just for fun.

00:12:09.000 And there was one photo that had been snuck out during the 1980s of men in red and black robes standing around a big 45 foot stone owl engaging in a mock sacrifice.

00:12:23.000 And then I had a few news reports about gay prostitutes being shipped in for them and people running around naked in the woods.

00:12:30.000 This was in major publications like Parade Magazine, Spy Magazine, Washington Times, things of that nature.

00:12:38.000 So in 2000, myself and Mike Hanson snuck in and we were in there five hours and got the cremation of care ceremony, the kickoff, every July 15th on video.

00:12:50.000 There are rituals held every other day during the 15 day encampment from July 15th to July 30th and right on time at dusk they did exactly what we had heard in the legends.

00:13:02.000 Well, since then The Grove has gone public.

00:13:06.000 They've talked to the Wall Street Journal.

00:13:08.000 They've talked to the New York Times.

00:13:09.000 They have released photos.

00:13:11.000 They say it's no big deal.

00:13:13.000 They released a photo last year for the 100 Greatest Vintage Photos for National Geographic and it said, Mock Human Sacrifice.

00:13:21.000 And that's all in a giant archive on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:13:29.000 About three years ago I was mailed a rare book That we then checked the value of.

00:13:38.000 Rare Book Dealers were offering $850 something dollars for it.

00:13:42.000 There's only a couple hundred of these printed every ten years for select members or leaders of different camps.

00:13:49.000 There's over a hundred camps within this gorge in between two mountains there in Sonoma County, right outside the tiny town of Montereo.

00:14:00.000 And since then, we have purchased two additional annals.

00:14:05.000 And we have been sent photos about people who purchased others who have scanned them in.

00:14:10.000 Then we check with the rare book dealers and do confirm that yes indeed these are authentic.

00:14:17.000 So I guess all told we've got either the scans or the actual annals for seven different volumes.

00:14:25.000 We have one from 1909 showing a black boy tied down with men standing around him.

00:14:30.000 I don't know what they're doing but it looks like It doesn't look like the black boy who looks like he's about age 7 or 8 isn't doing too well.

00:14:42.000 But we now have more exclusive photos on PrisonPlanet.com from a reader.

00:14:50.000 Hello, I was able to get a copy of volume 6 of the Annals of the Bohemian Club from 1973 to 1987.

00:14:55.000 And now I have 87 to 96.

00:14:56.000 That was the first one I got.

00:14:57.000 Here are three pictures.

00:15:03.000 The first is the 1976 cremation of care ritual.

00:15:07.000 The second is a page from 317 and talks about the cremation of care ceremony.

00:15:13.000 Yes, their own publication saying it is a mock human sacrifice.

00:15:18.000 We've got a high quality digital scan in there.

00:15:20.000 You can read the entire thing and look at the photo.

00:15:22.000 The last is George Bush Senior quote among spies.

00:15:26.000 Keep up the great work.

00:15:28.000 Click for enlargements.

00:15:30.000 We have the druidic practitioners around the burning body.

00:15:36.000 That's the first photo.

00:15:37.000 Then we have the cremation of Kerr page from page 317, where they describe the macabre ritual.

00:15:45.000 And it is very, very interesting.

00:15:47.000 And then we have them all joking as they're dressed up like spies, because that's really what they are.

00:15:51.000 I wanted to just read part of this from page 317.

00:16:00.000 From the midsummer encampment itself, the oldest camp-related tradition of Bohemia is the ritual of the cremation of care.

00:16:10.000 The 15 years encompassed by the annals witness that 100th performance of the rite in which the high priest once again cries, mid-summer sets us free.

00:16:22.000 This is from the mid-1980s, so they were saying that was the 100th year.

00:16:25.000 They're well into their 120th.

00:16:28.000 Those words have a powerful effect on bohemians.

00:16:30.000 The idea is one of great power.

00:16:32.000 Again, I'm reading from their own publication.

00:16:36.000 Because the club has continued to celebrate this liberation from such a long period.

00:16:41.000 Again, liberation from conscience.

00:16:44.000 From your conscience.

00:16:45.000 Serious black magic, folks.

00:16:47.000 Because the dangers of black magic, according to practitioners, is it comes back on you many fold.

00:16:53.000 You reap what you sow.

00:16:55.000 And so it's a complex ritual of basically putting the hood you, or all the bad stuff that comes back on you, into this child you kill.

00:17:07.000 And we've interviewed, you know, top, even secular experts on the occult, Christian experts on the occult, the annals of black magic.

00:17:14.000 I mean, this is really bad stuff, folks.

00:17:18.000 This is as bad as it gets.

00:17:20.000 And, uh, continuing.

00:17:25.000 Even the protesters at the gate understand the message when they hold up signs reminding Bohemians returning to the city that Dolecare awaits, and await he does. 0.99

00:17:35.000 So they make a comment about the protesters.

00:17:38.000 And I've got video of the protesters doing their own ritual to quote counter them. 0.96

00:17:44.000 It's sick folks.

00:17:45.000 But each summer we burn the in this grove and so far for a little while bohemians are free from dull care and can devote themselves to the pleasures of the grove in the midsummer encampment.

00:17:57.000 The cremation of care has become a mixture of two strains In the club, one serious and the other deriding seriousness.

00:18:06.000 Some cremations may have been fairly serious, but they have always been characterized as mock ceremonials from the earliest days.

00:18:14.000 When the present grove was first used by the club encampment, and I didn't have this when I made Dark Secrets four and a half years ago, inside Bohemian Grove, but I talk about how it is a real ritual, but they have the outer facade for new members.

00:18:31.000 That's exactly what it says here.

00:18:33.000 When the present grove was first used by the club, encampment were crowded into a single day and the cremation took place in the middle of the celebrations.

00:18:45.000 Early grove plays provided a care figure whose besting was the climax of the play and his effigy was escorted down the side or center aisle of the theater to a funeral courtage.

00:18:58.000 The courtage of the high priest, attendants, and the entire audience went to a meadow where the lake is now located, and placed the effigy on a great funeral pyre that was filled with sky rockets and Roman candles.

00:19:09.000 The mock ritual proceeded there, and when the effigy and the bonfire were lighted, the sky was filled with Bohemian rejoicing.

00:19:16.000 The Bohemians of that era must have had a far stronger... I can't even read that, it's blurred, I'm sorry.

00:19:25.000 Constituations of the day's members for their outbursts led to the low jinks that was followed in turn by supper perhaps, in reality an early and substantial breakfast.

00:19:38.000 Then on to the trains for a quick trip back to town and invariably to care.

00:19:45.000 In the last 15 years the use of fireworks at the end of the cremation has become, and then it goes on to say it's a druidic ritual, We'll get to that veritic ritual part when we get back. 0.95

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00:24:12.000 On page 258... of the annals of the Bohemian Grove...

00:24:21.000 From the mid-1970s to the mid-1980s, it shows all the Druidic practitioners around the burning body and the owl, and it says, The summer encampment begins with one of the Bohemia's oldest traditions, the cremation of care, where dull care is banished annually by this mock Druidic rite.

00:24:40.000 The ceremony is modified slightly each year by different directors.

00:24:45.000 The high priest presides at the owl shrine in this 1976 Now, where do you think plays come from?

00:24:55.000 You've got the actors up on stage, you've got the neophytes or the minions, the crowd watching.

00:25:03.000 That's where we get all this.

00:25:05.000 And they say in here that this is serious.

00:25:08.000 Bohemian Rhapsody members take it very serious.

00:25:10.000 The great power they get from it.

00:25:13.000 And they say, oh, but it's just for fun.

00:25:15.000 It's all double speak.

00:25:18.000 Right out in the open.

00:25:19.000 These are your Christian, conservative leaders.

00:25:24.000 Enough on Bohemian Grove.

00:25:26.000 If you want to find out more details, you should get the film, Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.

00:25:32.000 Los Alamos whistleblower severely beaten.

00:25:35.000 They beat him up and then threatened him to keep his mouth shut.

00:25:38.000 A Los Angeles National Laboratory whistleblower who has uncovered irregularities, one of their non-irregularities, involving millions of dollars Of taxpayer money, the government-backed facility was brutally beaten this past weekend.

00:25:51.000 According to several news reports, Auditor Tommy Hook, who was investigating all of this corruption, was violently attacked by three or four anonymous assailants who allegedly ordered him to keep quiet.

00:26:04.000 That happened to me one time, but they got as good as they gave.

00:26:07.000 Hook was scheduled to testify before Congress later this month, but is now in the hospital in very serious condition.

00:26:13.000 On Saturday night, Hook went to the Santa Fe bar, essentially to meet a person claiming to be a fellow Los Angeles whistleblower, Los Alamos whistleblower, who called that night.

00:26:22.000 Hook's wife sues us that her husband did not frequent bars.

00:26:25.000 When the person did not show up, Hook left the bar.

00:26:28.000 After consuming two drinks in the parking lot, he was yanked from his car and beaten so badly by three or four men that he had to be taken to intensive care in the local emergency room.

00:26:37.000 There's photos of him on the website.

00:26:38.000 He is beaten to a pulp.

00:26:41.000 And, uh, this is just folks.

00:26:43.000 There's three trillion plus dollars missing from the Pentagon, and when the House Armed Services Committee, when questions are posed, year after year, they just say, we can't talk about it, we're not going to talk about it.

00:26:57.000 But you wonder why the globalists want tyranny.

00:27:00.000 The big reason is so they can just steal whatever they want, however they want, and so no one can challenge them.

00:27:06.000 Meanwhile, they're putting up cameras to see if you're selling ripped-off DVDs, or dropping bubble gum on the ground, or dumping trash, or, you know, smoking pot.

00:27:16.000 I've got articles here about cops with night vision all over the streets, looking in your cars from hidden positions, you know.

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00:27:26.000 Are you smoking pot?

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00:27:31.000 Meanwhile, the border is wide open.

00:27:33.000 They won't put people with night vision on the border.

00:27:37.000 Oh, I'm starting to rant and rave here.

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00:27:47.000 Personal data for $3.9 million lost in transit.

00:27:52.000 First, it was Bank of America with 650,000 people a few weeks ago, selling the data to a scam artist.

00:27:59.000 Again, most of the data He's not coming from the internet purchases.

00:28:04.000 It's not coming from, you know, somebody at the gas station ripping off your credit card and selling it to his cousin Habib.

00:28:10.000 That's a big part of it though.

00:28:13.000 No, it's not what the media focuses on.

00:28:15.000 It is companies selling data.

00:28:16.000 And here it is again.

00:28:17.000 One of the largest breaches of data security to date.

00:28:21.000 City Financial, the consumer finance subsidiary of Citigroup, announced yesterday that a box of computer tapes containing information on 3.9 million customers was lost by United Parcel Service last month while in transit to a credit reporting agency.

00:28:38.000 Guaranteed, that was an NSA handoff.

00:28:40.000 I mean, that's probably what it is.

00:28:42.000 And then they claim it's a theft, and then push for national ID card control.

00:28:46.000 Executives at Citigroup said the tape was picked up by UPS early in May and had not been seen since.

00:28:51.000 The tapes contained names, addresses, social security numbers, account numbers, payment histories, and other details on small personal loans made to millions of customers throughout Citi Financial's network of more than 1,800 lending branches or to retailers whose product financing was handled by Citi Financial's retail services division.

00:29:11.000 Of course, that has all your personal data and is a big problem.

00:29:16.000 And the reason I say it's probably the government, we've caught them in fake thefts of driver's license photos, and then it's the government.

00:29:24.000 We've, by, you know, they'll stage this.

00:29:30.000 The government will actually approach employees about stealing for them.

00:29:34.000 The company said there was no indication that the tapes had been stolen or that any of the data in them had been compromised.

00:29:40.000 No, the packages disappeared for months.

00:29:44.000 So, uh, that interesting little tidbit.

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00:33:28.000 I think total we're on about 11 hours a day and 24 hour cycle.

00:33:35.000 Lots of refeeds for all our fine affiliates who I just want to thank so much for carrying this broadcast.

00:33:40.000 You know, we're getting a lot of new affiliates.

00:33:43.000 We're growing.

00:33:45.000 Whereas over the years we seem to gain a few stations and then a couple years later stations we've had sell or change formats.

00:33:52.000 So we kind of had an equilibrium.

00:33:55.000 I don't want to use the word stagnant, but we were staying about the same size when it came to broadcast affiliates.

00:34:01.000 The internet is roughly doubling every year.

00:34:05.000 Internet listeners, and in a short wave, believe it or not, I would say listener-wise, has actually expanded.

00:34:12.000 As more and more people learn that we're also on short wave, you can listen anywhere in the world.

00:34:17.000 But AM and FM will stand about the same, though it's grown now, because for every station that changes formats or cells, We are gaining new affiliates.

00:34:29.000 And then even stations four or five years ago that would pick me up for a year or two and then said, oh, this is too hardcore, this is too unbelievable, dump this guy.

00:34:38.000 They're coming back and picking us back up.

00:34:41.000 Because the station owners are saying, man, everything you said is coming true, I couldn't believe it.

00:34:46.000 Our listeners couldn't believe it.

00:34:47.000 But really, a lot of what you have to say, Alex, is becoming pretty passe.

00:34:53.000 You know, I talk about government-sponsored terrorism, and now it's a major news item.

00:34:56.000 I talk about cancer, viruses, and the vaccines.

00:34:59.000 Now it's a major news item.

00:35:01.000 I talk about torture, back when nobody else was talking about it.

00:35:04.000 Now it's pretty mainstream news. 0.99

00:35:06.000 I talk about homosexual sex rings in the White House. 0.99

00:35:10.000 Now it's pretty mainstream. 1.00

00:35:13.000 Which, I'm happy.

00:35:14.000 I mean, I'm glad that So many people are talking about what I'm talking about, that I'm not the only target floating around here.

00:35:24.000 Believe me, folks, this isn't... A lot of so-called patriots are egomaniacs.

00:35:29.000 They get very upset when other people talk about stuff that they're talking about.

00:35:33.000 They get very upset when they're not the center of attention.

00:35:37.000 I'm the complete opposite.

00:35:38.000 That's why you hear other talk show hosts every week on this broadcast.

00:35:43.000 That's why you hear all the other Major websites that fight the New World Order on this transmission.

00:35:51.000 Anybody who really puts out good info, who cares about freedom, who loves liberty, whether they call themselves conservative or liberal, more and more though people don't use those labels, anybody that's exposing the Patriot Acts, or the open borders, or gun control, You know, we have the border groups on that are trying to control the borders.

00:36:14.000 We have the Second Amendment groups on.

00:36:15.000 We have the land rights organizations on.

00:36:18.000 We have real environmental groups on who are fighting genetic engineering and the toxic waste dumping.

00:36:24.000 We fight the phony environmental groups that are out busy stealing private property from the Ford and Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations.

00:36:33.000 And so, we're here as a nexus point to try to bring people together.

00:36:39.000 We do not have stalkers on.

00:36:41.000 We do not have government operatives on.

00:36:43.000 We do not have egomaniacs on.

00:36:45.000 I mean, there are egomaniacs out there that attack me on a routine basis, and I'll never have them on this broadcast, as they squeal angrily, attacking everyone under the sun.

00:36:57.000 We will have, though, establishment enemies on, if they're big enough caliber, like Benjamin Chertoff of Popular Mechanics, who refuses to come on, because we're going to expose him and his cousin, Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security.

00:37:13.000 We want to get William F. Jasper on, to find out what his deal is, attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement.

00:37:21.000 We want to get all these individuals on, but if they're just purely They're there to sap energy and distract.

00:37:29.000 We don't do it.

00:37:30.000 We don't traffic in it, ladies and gentlemen.

00:37:32.000 We're about the information war, first and foremost.

00:37:35.000 I want to try to get Ann Coulter back on. 0.68

00:37:38.000 That's got to be the all-time most ridiculous interview. 0.75

00:37:40.000 I don't know.

00:37:41.000 She might be a close second with that police chief up in Bergen County, County Police Chief, who said that he's taking the microchip and if the government orders us all to take microchips, he'll enforce it.

00:37:57.000 That guy was right out of the Twilight Zone.

00:38:00.000 We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.

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00:38:06.000 Here's just a shotgun of some of the news we have in front of us.

00:38:14.000 Leukemia risk 70% higher for children near power lines.

00:38:21.000 The evidence of this is absolutely overwhelming.

00:38:24.000 There are literally hundreds of major scientific reports that I have seen detailing this.

00:38:32.000 Hollywood foots bill for spy cams.

00:38:38.000 We talked about this last week, but new developments there.

00:38:42.000 Also, Russell Crowe charged for throwing a telephone.

00:38:47.000 Who cares if some Hollywood brat Throws a telephone at a concierge at a hotel. 1.00

00:38:54.000 Who cares about Michael Jackson?

00:38:58.000 That's my comment on that.

00:39:02.000 The world attack on Amnesty International, and they're refusing to back down from Gulag comments. 0.78

00:39:11.000 I mean, what do you call secret prisons where people are tortured to death?

00:39:15.000 Hundreds of them all over the world.

00:39:18.000 The armies, again, folks, I rarely watch TV, but I saw the head of Amnesty International, Mr. Schultz, William Schultz, on Fox News.

00:39:31.000 And maybe you saw it, but they hardly let the guy talk.

00:39:35.000 And they try to play partisan politics. 0.98

00:39:36.000 Oh, you're an evil liberal.

00:39:38.000 Oh, you gave money personally to John Kerry. 0.99

00:39:40.000 Oh, boo-hoo. 0.99

00:39:42.000 Well, John Kerry's for the war.

00:39:44.000 John Kerry's covered up the torture.

00:39:46.000 John Kerry is two mates with his cousin, George W. Bush.

00:39:53.000 Doesn't even matter.

00:39:55.000 And frankly, watching Mr. Schultz, who I'm trying to get on, I mean, I think he dropped the ball.

00:40:00.000 But perhaps they wouldn't let him get a word in edgewise.

00:40:02.000 I mean, I've really seen Amnesty International whitewashed over the years.

00:40:08.000 And here was the Fox News pundit saying, where's your proof?

00:40:11.000 Where's your facts?

00:40:12.000 Come on, come on, show them to me!

00:40:14.000 And he would point out that, well, you're flying people to secret countries in your own photographs of torture, and, well, it's not really torture, it's pressure.

00:40:22.000 Well, Rumsfeld says, you know, do this, but he wouldn't really let him talk, and I wish I could have been on the show.

00:40:28.000 They would have had to just shut me down and turn my microphone off, which I've seen them do to other guests who do put up a fight.

00:40:34.000 I would have said, in rapid order, Rumsfeld has been all over television after 9-11 saying we're torturing people, quote, we're, you know, we're taking the gloves off, we're getting our hands dirty, we're pressuring them.

00:40:49.000 There have been several hundred admitted deaths of detainees all over the world, and to his credit, Mr. Schultz did mention that.

00:40:58.000 Alberto Gonzalez, when he was Chief Counsel to the President, now Attorney General, in five different memos, there's a total of ten, but five are really bad, said, we can pressure someone until they die and have organ failure, but if we didn't mean to kill them, it's not torture.

00:41:17.000 So I guess semantically, killing somebody isn't even torture, so you can, again, semantically change what the word means and then claim we're not torturing.

00:41:25.000 He could have brought up Gonzales describing boiling people, pulling fingernails out, placing them on a table and sliding their head up their shoulders in excrement into urine.

00:41:37.000 I mean, that's what you do.

00:41:40.000 The Army's own reports have come out in the last three months, more this weekend, of the Army admitting urinating and defecating on Korans, as I told you months ago.

00:41:50.000 But no, they didn't flush it down the toilet!

00:41:53.000 Newsweek's problem was, in the translation, they said that they toileted it, and that's the Muslim term.

00:41:59.000 They're even ashamed of body function, so they just say, they said the Koran was involved with toilet functions.

00:42:07.000 And then, Newsweek, on purpose, by the way, the former top Newsweek executive is going to be a propagandist for Bush.

00:42:13.000 This is all stage, folks.

00:42:15.000 That's in the news today.

00:42:16.000 Being well rewarded for their good job.

00:42:19.000 And then, oh, the translation!

00:42:20.000 It was put in a toilet.

00:42:22.000 No, no, no, no.

00:42:23.000 Or flushed down a toilet.

00:42:24.000 Only one knows you can't flush it down a toilet.

00:42:26.000 No.

00:42:27.000 The people just said it was toileted.

00:42:29.000 You know, it's, it's, it's... It's amazing, ladies and gentlemen.

00:42:36.000 Oh, they've retracted.

00:42:38.000 You can't flush it down the toilet.

00:42:39.000 So, Brigadier General Rick Baucus came out and quit refusing to torture the head of Gitmo.

00:42:45.000 There's an internal CIA torture base within the base that none of the aid groups are allowed in to see.

00:42:51.000 Atmosphere, Red Cross.

00:42:53.000 And to his credit, Shultz did bring that up.

00:42:57.000 Shultz didn't bring up General Tagumba's report.

00:43:01.000 And people always say, is that a joke?

00:43:03.000 No, that's the real General.

00:43:05.000 He's a Filipino-American, and he went and did the report for the Pentagon, and interviewed those involved, and they've admitted to it. 0.90

00:43:14.000 They were ordered to torture people, and beat them to death, and rape them severely, and use acid on them, and other things we won't mention here.

00:43:21.000 So I would have rattled off Brigadier General Rick Baucus, interrogators quitting refusing to torture, the admissions, the convictions, Alberto Gonzales' own memos. 0.72

00:43:32.000 But they don't do that!

00:43:34.000 They put up all these straw men on TV and in the newspaper. 0.91

00:43:40.000 I mean, why didn't Shultz bring up the Deputy CIA Director, the Section Chief, In a January 2002 issue of the Washington Post saying, we fly them out to Egypt and to Jordan where we torture them and their families in front of them.

00:44:04.000 I mean, it's in Road to Journey.

00:44:07.000 Copy of the headline and zoom into the article.

00:44:10.000 And he brags, back when they thought we'd all buy it, he brags, yeah, we We torture them and pressure their families in front of them.

00:44:21.000 That's the quote.

00:44:24.000 We torture the detainees and then take their families, including their children.

00:44:29.000 I forgot about that part.

00:44:31.000 Boy, that is really Mingalish. 1.00

00:44:34.000 Very Joseph Mingalish. 0.58

00:44:37.000 And I've had people on debating them on this broadcast about torture over the years.

00:44:42.000 And, uh, well, Alex, what have they got above?

00:44:45.000 And they're about to blow up a thousand G.I.s.

00:44:47.000 You're, you're, you know, they always use that hypothetical.

00:44:50.000 They use that on the news.

00:44:51.000 They use that on the dramas, the fiction shows on TV.

00:44:55.000 The law enforcement magazines promoted that idea before 9-11.

00:45:00.000 I saw the trend then, saw them getting us ready for it.

00:45:04.000 And now there's instances of cops torturing citizens all over the country.

00:45:10.000 Tell me where the drugs are in your car. 0.92

00:45:12.000 I'm going to break your arm. 0.91

00:45:15.000 We've catheterized you. 0.99

00:45:16.000 You're refusing to urinate.

00:45:17.000 We're going to taser you twice when you're chained down. 0.91

00:45:21.000 You know, just crazy stuff.

00:45:23.000 Every week I see it.

00:45:25.000 It's this mentality of we're evil and need to be tortured because torture's good!

00:45:29.000 All these weak-minded people, all these weak-minded police watch these pop shows where the hero tortures people every episode and they identify with that and so there's no real terrorists and when they go out in the real world they end up torturing your wife.

00:45:45.000 Or cutting your wife's finger off at a DUI checkpoint in Detroit.

00:45:51.000 Remember that case? 1.00

00:45:53.000 Here, let me just take a knife and cut your finger off. 1.00

00:45:56.000 Put you in handcuffs, I'm going to cut your finger off. 1.00

00:45:59.000 That'll teach you. 1.00

00:46:01.000 Type it in.

00:46:02.000 Detroit cop cuts woman's finger off. 1.00

00:46:04.000 You don't believe me?

00:46:05.000 You forgot about that?

00:46:06.000 I mean, this stuff is so insane.

00:46:09.000 So off the charts.

00:46:13.000 There's several disgusting articles out of WorldNetDaily.

00:46:16.000 One by this Prager character.

00:46:19.000 It's in American value now. 1.00

00:46:21.000 You know, you're with the evil Muslims that want to kill us all if you're against torture. 1.00

00:46:26.000 Amnesty International and moral idiocy! 1.00

00:46:29.000 Sometime in the 70's, I sent a donation to Amnesty International. 0.98

00:46:32.000 As soon as I heard that a group had been formed to combat torture, I knew I had to support it.

00:46:37.000 Good line, Prager.

00:46:38.000 You're pretty slick.

00:46:40.000 Dennis Prager.

00:46:41.000 Unfortunately, like almost all international and domestic groups, the left took over Amnesty International.

00:46:47.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:46:47.000 That's why they whitewashed.

00:46:49.000 And it devolved into another predictably anti-American, morally destructive organization.

00:46:55.000 No, it's not.

00:46:57.000 The de-evolution was most apparent years ago when Amnesty International listed the United States as a major violator of human rights because it executed murderers.

00:47:07.000 Well, that's apples and oranges, folks.

00:47:10.000 They also listed us because of the death squads being trained up there at the School of America.

00:47:16.000 Fort Benning George and the organization Inability to morally distinguish between executing murderers and executing innocent people means that Amnesty International is worse than ineffectual.

00:47:26.000 The good it has done, notwithstanding, it is becoming harmful to the cause of human rights.

00:47:33.000 And it goes on.

00:47:34.000 Amnesty International reached its nadir two weeks ago when the Secretary General of the organization, Irene Kahn, branded the U.S.

00:47:43.000 prison camp at Guantanamo Bay the gulag of our times. 0.84

00:47:46.000 Well, it is.

00:47:48.000 And we're supporting Uzbekistan, and Moe's down 500 people, folks. 0.96

00:47:52.000 And they shoot women like Snellgrove in the head and kill her for walking out of a restaurant after a Red Sox game. 0.56

00:47:57.000 I mean, this isn't freedom.

00:48:00.000 And then he goes on to whitewash what's going on at Gitmo.

00:48:03.000 Hey, Prager!

00:48:04.000 That's it, I want Prager on.

00:48:06.000 Instant message, my producer, before I forget.

00:48:08.000 I want Prager on.

00:48:11.000 And get me, uh, Schnivler, uh, I keep meaning to get that Schnivler Michael Medvin on.

00:48:19.000 I mean, I want all these snivellers on here. 1.00

00:48:23.000 Bunch of snivellers.

00:48:27.000 And it just goes on and on, but the sickest article is another one on World Net Daily, who I happen to think is better than some of the other neocon publications like Newsmax.

00:48:35.000 I mean, they got some good stuff in here.

00:48:38.000 But this kind of stuff makes me really ashamed to even be associated with them.

00:48:43.000 Bush urged never to apologize to Muslims.

00:48:45.000 Administration officially reported uh... and uh... inspired by official but by classic john wayne movie she wore a yellow ribbon and it says john wayne says never apologize to the indians because they'll just that shows weakness and bush who's a fake texan who loves to act like a fake texan loves to act like a texan he is obsessed with high noon and and and and other movies yeah i mean that shows how delusional he is folks

00:49:16.000 And, uh, so this... things are being governed... And again, I like John Wayne.

00:49:21.000 John Wayne wouldn't like George Bush.

00:49:23.000 John Wayne doesn't like big government or gun control or torture.

00:49:27.000 The article goes on, so cross your fingers, he takes the movie and the message to heart, the day the President of the United States announces that Muslims owe an apology to us, and not the other way around, will be the day that we truly begin to win this war. 0.99

00:49:41.000 Hey, fools! 0.94

00:49:46.000 Over at WorldNetDaily, because nobody put their name to this article. 0.99

00:49:51.000 The official Pentagon Department of P-2-O-G says that they want to put out news that enrages the Muslims so that they do attack us overseas and so the war can be widened.

00:50:05.000 It isn't about winning the war.

00:50:08.000 It's about widening it, and having it go on as long as possible in Iraq, just like Vietnam, because that maximizes profits. 0.95

00:50:17.000 The globalists are getting what they wanted in Iraq, in many respects.

00:50:21.000 Though it could get so bad, they get thrown out early, which they don't want.

00:50:25.000 So it may backfire on them.

00:50:27.000 But they want a long, 10-year event, to literally make over a trillion dollars.

00:50:32.000 They'll make over a trillion dollars.

00:50:34.000 The current expenditures if they're there for ten years.

00:50:37.000 And they say it'll be ten years.

00:50:38.000 That's the model.

00:50:40.000 Then they'll have a total puppet government in and get the four trillion in oil. 1.00

00:50:45.000 That's five trillion total.

00:50:46.000 Alright, we'll talk to Regina in Pennsylvania, Robert in Denver, Colorado and others when we get back.

00:50:54.000 It's just so sick.

00:50:55.000 We'll be right back.

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00:54:19.000 Regina, Robert, Jeff, Fred, and others.

00:54:22.000 We'll start making your calls here in a few minutes, and then go a little bit into the next hour with them, and then get to your calls early with our guest.

00:54:27.000 But just very briefly, I want to thank everybody that came out to the double showings of my new film, Martial Law, last Friday night here in Austin, Texas.

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00:57:03.000 Regina in Pennsylvania, thanks for holding.

00:57:06.000 Hi Alex.

00:57:07.000 How are you doing?

00:57:07.000 Hello.

00:57:08.000 Good.

00:57:09.000 Hey, uh, Ann Coulter, please don't give us a headache with her again.

00:57:12.000 She made it very clear that the lady is not a very deep thinker and she'll waste our time. 1.00

00:57:17.000 Yeah, she's written a book about how the Patriot Act's good, and I said, what about Section 802?

00:57:21.000 And she said, I haven't read the Patriot Act.

00:57:23.000 So, you know, she gets enough play everywhere, Alex.

00:57:25.000 Please don't, you know, these, you have listeners that are working towards Educating themselves.

00:57:30.000 Please don't let us be drained by her.

00:57:32.000 No, but listen, she woke a lot of people up.

00:57:34.000 I mean, to hear that she writes books about stuff she hasn't read... But I know it now, Alex, and I want to hear you, and how about Will Christensen, National Vice Chair of the Independent American Party, or John Hamill, who's fighting tooth and nail to try to get Kodak's elementaries stopped, and has put out an alert, along with the Liberty Committee, putting out an alert to Support Ron Paul's H.J.

00:57:57.000 Resolution 27 to stop the authority over us of the WTO.

00:58:01.000 Yeah, for those that don't know, they're basically going to regulate and make Vitamins prescription and I'll get him on.

00:58:08.000 I've meant to get him on.

00:58:09.000 I heard him on the radio once.

00:58:11.000 I've read his alerts.

00:58:12.000 Why don't you send me his contact info?

00:58:15.000 Okay, you're talking about... I'm having trouble by email.

00:58:18.000 You mean through the mail?

00:58:19.000 No, no, the Codex Alimentarius.

00:58:22.000 Okay, by what means do you want me to send it to you?

00:58:24.000 Chipsandinfowars.com.

00:58:26.000 I have trouble getting through that.

00:58:27.000 I have a couple... another bill... I know, my email's all screwed up.

00:58:30.000 Uh, could I give you another bill?

00:58:33.000 Sure.

00:58:33.000 Okay, you want me to get off?

00:58:35.000 Yeah, go ahead, keep talking.

00:58:36.000 Okay, uh, the other bill that, uh, besides this H.J.

00:58:39.000 Resolution, uh, 27, stop us, get us out of the WTO, get your Congress on that.

00:58:46.000 Uh, 202-224-3123.

00:58:47.000 Stay there, we'll hear about it when we get back.

00:58:51.000 Hello, folks.

00:58:52.000 Big Brother.

00:58:59.000 Mainstream Media.

00:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:04.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:14.000 All right, it's the second hour show.

00:59:21.000 Huge guest coming up to expose the globalist, the police state, the NSA.

00:59:27.000 What's happening with all this identity theft?

00:59:29.000 Wayne Madison's coming on.

00:59:30.000 He's been told to shut up by the NSA.

00:59:33.000 Regina in Pennsylvania, real fast finish up.

00:59:36.000 You were giving out the congressional phone number and warning us of another bill.

00:59:39.000 Yes, the wonderful Ron Paul, our beloved congressman from here in the heart of Texas.

00:59:46.000 He's introduced a bill to pull us out of the World Trade Organization that's going to take over our entire economy.

00:59:51.000 He is taking it over.

00:59:52.000 He's already taken over much of it, many of the levers of control and many of the mechanisms that regulate it.

00:59:58.000 But you had something else you wanted to plug, Regina.

01:00:00.000 Okay, that's right.

01:00:02.000 We're required to change our laws under the WTO, and our Congress does that.

01:00:08.000 So it's very important that people get H.J.

01:00:10.000 Resolutions.

01:00:11.000 They hand over their authority to it.

01:00:12.000 Just give us the other phone number and info.

01:00:15.000 Okay, the other thing is that House Resolution 282, which is supposed to be coming up today, and this is supposed to express the intent of Congress to allow the United Nations to regulate anti-Semitic speech that our national leaders You know, all over the world would say or do.

01:00:35.000 So you can see how... Yeah, a global hate crime speech crime code, I'm aware of that.

01:00:41.000 And, well, I mean, out in California they're trying to pass a law that if you speak out against the open borders, you'll be arrested and then put in a database.

01:00:51.000 They're not playing.

01:00:52.000 And see, it starts with something like anti-Semitism, which I don't like.

01:00:55.000 Then it moves on to everything else. 0.99

01:00:57.000 And I'll fight to the death for your right to say that Jews are blood-drinking vampires, or that Germans are blood-drinking vampires. 0.99

01:01:05.000 I may not agree with that, but still, I believe you have that right. 0.92

01:01:08.000 Yeah, but that can be, you know, misinterpreted, too, like it's in... Well, now criticizing any Israeli policy, the ADL wants you arrested.

01:01:16.000 They are an un-American terrorist organization.

01:01:19.000 Right.

01:01:20.000 But, Regina, tell us about that law.

01:01:22.000 Well, that's going to come up for a vote today.

01:01:25.000 Give us that bill number.

01:01:26.000 House Resolution 282.

01:01:30.000 And everybody needs to call at 202-224-3121 or 877-762-8762 and tell them, no on each House Resolution 282.

01:01:40.000 We want to get out of the UN.

01:01:41.000 We know that they were involved with the slaughter in Rwanda, but they're going to be picking at our leaders. 0.94

01:01:47.000 And us and other leaders across the world who are speaking truth and uh... you know... No, I know.

01:01:53.000 It's incredible.

01:01:53.000 Regina, I've got to let you go.

01:01:54.000 I've got to move on.

01:01:55.000 Can I give you the email for John Hamill?

01:01:56.000 Because I don't know how to... Okay, I'm sorry other callers.

01:01:58.000 Go ahead, Regina.

01:01:59.000 Okay.

01:01:59.000 Jham.

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01:02:08.000 Okay, thank you.

01:02:09.000 Thank you.

01:02:10.000 Really good points.

01:02:11.000 Robert in Denver.

01:02:12.000 Go ahead, Robert.

01:02:13.000 Hey, good morning Alexander.

01:02:14.000 Thanks for taking my call.

01:02:15.000 How are you doing?

01:02:16.000 Pretty good, pretty good.

01:02:17.000 I don't know if you talked about it or not already.

01:02:19.000 If you have, I apologize for repeating it, but as you know, yesterday the Supreme Court ruled that states cannot allow doctors to give up marijuana for medical uses, and I was wondering what your feeling was on that.

01:02:32.000 Marijuana has incredible, HTC, has incredible Health benefits for glaucoma, for nausea with people that can't hold food down who are going through chemotherapy.

01:02:49.000 I mean, George Washington smoked marijuana.

01:02:52.000 I don't smoke marijuana.

01:02:53.000 I don't like marijuana.

01:02:55.000 I have smoked it in college.

01:02:58.000 And I can't stand it.

01:03:00.000 I don't like the way it makes me feel.

01:03:01.000 I mean, I like being hyper.

01:03:03.000 I mean, I like my natural... I mean, I get paranoid on it.

01:03:06.000 I get really weird and don't want to talk to people.

01:03:08.000 I mean, totally opposite.

01:03:10.000 Yeah, but I mean, I'll be honest.

01:03:11.000 I mean, I smoked it and I inhaled.

01:03:13.000 Uh, but, uh, you know, you ride along with some girl in her car and she's just taking a hit and you're like, alright, baby.

01:03:18.000 You know, back and forth.

01:03:20.000 And I don't recommend young people smoke it.

01:03:22.000 I think it's overall really bad for ya.

01:03:25.000 Uh, you know, like alcohol or anything else.

01:03:28.000 But the medical effects are just, it is a miracle drug.

01:03:33.000 It's a miracle plant.

01:03:36.000 And, uh, So it's just, look, it's big business for them to put your kids in prison if they use this stuff.

01:03:42.000 George Washington loved his blood though.

01:03:45.000 Anything else?

01:03:46.000 Yeah, well... I'll let you finish up, but let's go ahead and get our guest.

01:03:49.000 I'll make my guest hold while we let you finish.

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01:07:01.000 Alright, 8 minutes and 10 seconds into this second hour.

01:07:05.000 We're about to go to Wayne Madison, who's an investigative journalist nationally.

01:07:10.000 Distributed columnist and author who has covered Washington D.C.

01:07:15.000 politics, national security, intelligence issues.

01:07:18.000 Since 94, of course, Madison is a former U.S.

01:07:21.000 Naval officer who was assigned the National Security Agency during a Reagan administration.

01:07:26.000 He also has some 20 years experience in computer security and data privacy.

01:07:32.000 He has also worked for the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation and Computer Sciences Corporation.

01:07:41.000 And I apologize to the callers.

01:07:43.000 I know you've been holding and I end up covering so much news in the first hour.

01:07:46.000 We go to great callers like Regina, who's got all these important bills. 1.00

01:07:51.000 And then I try to hurry her up so we could get to Robert, and then we cut Robert short.

01:07:55.000 Robert, finishing up real fast as our guest is holding.

01:07:59.000 Yeah, the Supreme Court, the federal government, they need to arrest our children to put them in their private prisons. 0.98

01:08:06.000 So they can work for 20 cents an hour building widgets.

01:08:09.000 Marijuana is far less damaging, I think it is bad, when used in excess, than alcohol, though.

01:08:18.000 Alcohol causes, what, four times the deaths of all other illegal drugs combined.

01:08:23.000 Prescription drugs cause even more deaths than alcohol.

01:08:26.000 That's the official numbers in federal studies.

01:08:30.000 and uh... there are incredible medical attributes of marijuana for glaucoma for people that are nauseated and can't eat uh... because of chemotherapy or people that have bad ulcers there are hundreds of uses for THC and uh... but don't look for the government to ever allow decriminalization because they need to make things that should be legal illegal as a pretext to put you in prison

01:08:55.000 And for all the people out there that hate marijuana, you hate George Washington, because George Washington, it's in major publications and history books, did occasionally smoke a little marijuana.

01:09:06.000 It was grown right out in the herb gardens all over the thirteen colonies.

01:09:12.000 And if you had a headache or you were nauseous, it was in the medical books to take a pull off some weed, as they called it.

01:09:19.000 But finish up real fast, Robert.

01:09:21.000 Yeah, I'm in agreement.

01:09:23.000 I think a guy on the radio in Local Endeavors made a great analogy.

01:09:27.000 In North Carolina they grow thousands of acres of tobacco.

01:09:31.000 Take that comparison and turn it around.

01:09:33.000 What if suddenly North Carolina started growing thousands of acres of marijuana and In Central America, they were growing tobacco.

01:09:39.000 Which one would be illegal?

01:09:40.000 Well, in the Netherlands and other areas, they totally legalized and drug use went down by 50%.

01:09:45.000 But in France, they put up billboards saying, don't smoke cigarettes, they'll kill you.

01:09:50.000 And in 10 years, smoking doubled.

01:09:52.000 People do what they think is rebellious.

01:09:54.000 The government knows it.

01:09:55.000 Thanks for the call.

01:09:57.000 That's why the Skull and Bones was founded by the British East India Company and Russell Trust.

01:10:02.000 They had the monopoly of opium.

01:10:04.000 When their competition got too great, when opium was on all the store shelves, Lawdom, they banned it, controlled the police forces, and went after their competition.

01:10:13.000 That's what the drug war is.

01:10:15.000 The drug dealers control the drug war to go after their competition.

01:10:20.000 How many CIA officers, how many DEA agents have we had on, covering this, that have unloaded the cocaine?

01:10:27.000 The ships come in, the trains come in, the jets come in, the prop planes come in.

01:10:32.000 The cartels that get raided and killed by our troops in Latin America are the ones that don't pay their cut into the big banks.

01:10:39.000 Okay, that's enough.

01:10:40.000 I'm done.

01:10:41.000 I apologize to our guests for holding for three minutes.

01:10:44.000 Wayne Madison, we're going to talk about some of his incredible books.

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01:10:50.000 On Infowars.com we have a link to the counterpunch article exposing Karl Rove.

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01:11:05.000 Mr. Madison, good to have you on with us.

01:11:07.000 Good to be with you.

01:11:09.000 You know, there's no way to do your great career, a career of conscience, justice.

01:11:14.000 So, in a nutshell, can you tell us about yourself?

01:11:18.000 Well, I've been working in a lot of various agencies over the years, from the National Security Agency, to the State Department, to various other, working with various other federal agencies, including one short stint as a temporary agent for the FBI way back in the 80s.

01:11:39.000 So I've seen a lot of this from the inside.

01:11:41.000 And now, on the outside looking in, I can understand why There are several people in the government who are very frustrated about what's going on with this particular administration, and I think they really do see what the agenda is, that it's to Basically gut the U.S.

01:12:03.000 intelligence infrastructure.

01:12:05.000 So we come up, instead of coming up with people who say, no, there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, you'll have just a bunch of people who shake their heads yes and will cook the books for this administration in coming up with any intelligence base special order.

01:12:22.000 So we'll have Mr. Negroponte, the Death Squad architect, with Abu Ghraib, and of course, Camp X-Ray architect, Gonzales, and Chertoff and this whole gaggle of psychopathic criminals, and I'll say that, where it'll just be Negroponte saying, yes, Iran's got nuclear weapons, they're about to kill us. 0.74

01:12:44.000 That's right, and we see that one congressman right now, Kurt Weldon from Pennsylvania, has got a book coming out where he's saying that he was tipped off about 9-11 beforehand, but he says, wait a minute, it's not Al Qaeda that's a threat, it's Iran.

01:12:57.000 I mean, these people will change According to, you know, whatever the prevailing perception management dictate of the day says to them, and we see that again with this Weldon book, which is out, but certainly he's not the only one.

01:13:15.000 We have this guy, John Bolton, who they want to send to the United Nations.

01:13:18.000 Who has carpet-chewing fits.

01:13:20.000 Oh, right.

01:13:21.000 This guy, Bolton, is probably the worst possible person.

01:13:26.000 I would make mention of the fact that back Back when the U.N.

01:13:29.000 Security Council was meeting on whether to approve this U.S.

01:13:33.000 resolution authorizing the attack on Iraq, that Bolton Negroponte and then head of NSA, General Michael Hayden, All were cooperating and bugging the members of the U.N.

01:13:46.000 Security Council.

01:13:47.000 Their telephones, their cell phones, their email.

01:13:50.000 And now we have one of those individuals who was bugged, the former Mexican ambassador to the U.N., who was quite upset with this and took on the United States and the Bush administration.

01:14:00.000 Said, look, you just won our vote because you treat Mexico like it's your backyard.

01:14:04.000 Well, this former ambassador who was fired because of his statements about the Bush administration, Adolfo Aguiar-Zinzer, he died the other day in an automobile accident in central Mexico.

01:14:17.000 So here we have another one of these dead bodies of somebody who took on of the bush administration he joins uh...

01:14:25.000 of course doctor david kelly the british uh...

01:14:27.000 scientist who said there were no uh...

01:14:30.000 that now wm d i mean told the british and american colleagues who separate ones i don't shut up i'll be found dead in the woods they told me well that's right and there's a mystery well that's right we have we have i read the top iraqi analyst at the state department john cook all who who who briefed colin powell at least once a week on on iraq who who worked in the uh... bureau of intelligence and research

01:14:52.000 His boss was Carl Ford, who of course said to the Senate that Bolton is a quintessential kiss up, kick down kind of guy and said he does not have my recommendation to go to the U.N.

01:15:06.000 Cookle apparently took on this guy Bolton and they said he jumped off the roof of the State Department, which of course is impossible since the roof of the State Department is secured.

01:15:15.000 All access is secured.

01:15:18.000 All the windows are secured.

01:15:20.000 So we have several of these cases where people who have taken on this administration have met their demise.

01:15:28.000 And I think it's worthy For an FBI investigation, but of course we don't see anything even coming close to anything like that.

01:15:35.000 Oh, don't hold your breath.

01:15:37.000 I mean, Alberto Gonzales, if it came out they threw him off the roof, would probably say that's not even torture.

01:15:42.000 He says killing somebody isn't even torture.

01:15:44.000 And we have a former CIA official, Gus Weiss, who just a few weeks after Cockel does a swan dive, off the state department they say he just he takes a similar swan dive off of the uh... watergate which is only a couple of blocks from the state department uh...

01:15:59.000 the thing that makes white interesting is that he was a colleague of the neocons like pearl and what the which when he was working in henry scoop jackson's office back in the seventies but he came out in a very vocal way in and and very uncharacteristic way and and and and said look this this this war against iraq is that it will be a change in happen So we see two people who came out who were opposed to the war.

01:16:21.000 Why hasn't Cynthia McKinney fallen off a roof yet? 1.00

01:16:23.000 I mean, she's brought up the trillions missing from the Pentagon.

01:16:26.000 Well, I know Cynthia, and I'll tell you, she's one smart person, and she knows how to take care of herself and defend herself. 1.00

01:16:34.000 So I have a lot of confidence that she knows what's going on.

01:16:38.000 She's pretty careful.

01:16:40.000 Well, I tell you, you know, it's scary to know this is going on.

01:16:44.000 Let's make a joint pact here that I'm not ever planning to jump off a building.

01:16:48.000 I love my life.

01:16:50.000 And I would imagine you're the same way, Mr. Madison?

01:16:52.000 Oh, yes, yes.

01:16:53.000 I have no problems with, you know, no ballooning mortgage payments, no terminal illnesses, so nothing that they might say and say, well, he was depressed over this, that, and the other thing.

01:17:05.000 And I'm also very much afraid of heights.

01:17:07.000 Well, power!

01:17:07.000 I've flown airplanes.

01:17:09.000 I do have this problem with acrophobia when I'm standing on a ledge or a cliff or something like that.

01:17:15.000 Why do they like to throw people off buildings because it doesn't leave any evidence?

01:17:18.000 Well, I think, you know, it goes back actually to medieval Europe when they used to have defenestrations.

01:17:26.000 That's how the Greeks killed people! 1.00

01:17:29.000 That's how the Greeks killed people too! 0.96

01:17:30.000 That's right, that's right, yeah.

01:17:32.000 There seems to be something about throwing people out of windows or off of buildings is sort of a preferred method.

01:17:39.000 And then, of course, we've got the so-called self-inflicted gunshot wounds, where normally the gun's found on the other hand.

01:17:47.000 Or they have several bullet holes in their head.

01:17:50.000 Or that, exactly.

01:17:52.000 But then someone we can trust tells us it was an accident.

01:17:55.000 Well, I'll tell you, sir, we're about to break.

01:17:59.000 What are some of the key issues you want to go over?

01:18:02.000 Well, I think what's happening at the National Security Agency and the CIA and the other intelligence agencies is a real catastrophe that these neocons who are infiltrating these agencies They are now firing people because they just want to get rid of anybody who has been in the past.

01:18:20.000 It's a type of night, a night of the long night.

01:18:23.000 It's a purge.

01:18:23.000 It's basically a political purge that's going on and they're getting rid of some very knowledgeable people.

01:18:28.000 Now I'm the last guy to defend the intelligence agencies.

01:18:31.000 I've attacked them when they've been wrong in the past, but I'm stepping up to the plane defending them on this one.

01:18:37.000 Alright, well I also want to talk about your view on Iran.

01:18:42.000 Member of Parliament George Galloway on, and I said, the government may carry out terror attacks as a pretext, and he said, absolutely.

01:18:48.000 We'll talk about that as well.

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01:22:52.000 We're talking to Wayne Madison, author, syndicated columnist, working inside the NSA and the Reagan administration.

01:23:06.000 Thank you.

01:23:08.000 Thank you.

01:23:10.000 Really a whistleblower.

01:23:13.000 Wayne, what do you see on the horizon for Iran?

01:23:16.000 I mean, a lot of people are saying, well, they won't be able to invade Iran.

01:23:19.000 People are wise to them, but they seem to be so arrogant.

01:23:24.000 I see two fronts in this administration, which really shouldn't come as any shock, that we have people with two different policies.

01:23:35.000 One, of course, are the neocons that want any reason to attack Iran.

01:23:40.000 And if we think Iraq is a bloodbath, wait until we go into Iran, which is a very mountainous country, has a larger population than Iraq, and the people there are not Arabs, of course. 0.88

01:23:55.000 I think some of the neocons may You may get that confused.

01:23:58.000 These are Persians. 0.76

01:23:59.000 And the Persians used to have quite a world empire.

01:24:01.000 And the Persians of today, who call themselves Iranians, are quite proud of their history.

01:24:07.000 And they will fight.

01:24:08.000 And they will probably bloody our nose to a... even a... is being bloodied right now in Iraq. 0.85

01:24:16.000 But then there's an election coming up in Iran for president to replace the moderate President Haqqani.

01:24:25.000 And the person who is apparently leading in that race is the guy who used to be president, was the speaker of the Iranian parliament back when the hostages were held in our embassy, and that's Mr. Rafsanjani, who apparently now has

01:24:40.000 Moderated his tone to the point where he says, well, wait a minute, maybe I can deal with some privatization of the Iranian oil industry and, you know, he's talking trade and joining the World Trade Organization, a whole bunch of other things that, of course, to some people in this administration, the people who like to make lots and lots of money, that seems to be a pretty, like a pretty good deal for them.

01:25:04.000 So we have, we have sort of the political neocons now fighting The economic neocons over what is the best way to approach Iran because if it's true that Ross and Johnny agreeing to all of this opening up of Iran's economy, the economic neocons of course would like to see that happen.

01:25:27.000 Now, Mr. Madison, we've been talking a lot about fake documents, fake Niger documents, fake finds of weapons of mass destruction buried under rose bushes.

01:25:35.000 I mean, really ridiculous stuff.

01:25:38.000 So many examples of it, but they tried to frame George Galloway.

01:25:42.000 He's now winning lawsuits over it.

01:25:44.000 We interviewed him, and he shocked me.

01:25:45.000 I said, well, I don't see them having the political will right now to go into Iran, but what if the military-industrial complex stages a terror attack in the United States or overseas?

01:25:58.000 And he said that is a very real threat.

01:26:00.000 Your comments to that?

01:26:02.000 Well, I think he's right, because when I talk about the political neocons, of course I'm including in that some of these people who are fundamentalist This guy, Kurt Weldon, who's now arguing that Al-Qaeda is not the biggest threat to the United States, but Iran is. 0.70

01:26:22.000 Here we have this again.

01:26:23.000 Now he's trying to say somehow Iran, not Al-Qaeda, must have been involved with 9-11.

01:26:28.000 Didn't we hear that with Iraq? 0.99

01:26:30.000 And that's turned out to be...

01:26:31.000 totally bogus and false.

01:26:34.000 But a guy like Weldon, who apparently was present at this coronation of Sung Young Moon last year in the Senate Dirksen building, I mean, a lot of this is obviously coming from people like Moon and some of these a lot of this is obviously coming from people like Moon and some of these other crazies who think that it's somehow Now, I want to be clear, though.

01:26:58.000 I'm a Christian.

01:27:00.000 I am, too.

01:27:00.000 I'm a conservative.

01:27:02.000 I mean, Moon is worshipped himself.

01:27:04.000 I wouldn't even call him a Christian. 0.83

01:27:05.000 You're right.

01:27:06.000 They have the group called the Brotherhood, where congressmen live.

01:27:11.000 It's a weird cult.

01:27:12.000 I mean, these aren't even Christians.

01:27:14.000 It's not Christian, even though Moon goes around and says he's the Messiah. 0.89

01:27:19.000 And then he says he's somehow managed to convert the souls of Joe Stalin and Adolf Hitler and Mohammed and Jesus. 0.85

01:27:30.000 To his way of thinking.

01:27:31.000 I mean, the guy's a total nutcase, but the problem is he's very powerful inside the Republican Party.

01:27:38.000 And when he can have a coronation and draw people like Kurt Weldon, who then puts out a book saying it's not Al-Qaeda that's the biggest threat to the United States, but it's Iran, there you see that this cult, I think we should call it a cult. 0.77

01:27:52.000 For those that don't know, folks, these are the Moonies.

01:27:55.000 The Moonies.

01:27:55.000 I mean, a lot of people don't understand that.

01:27:58.000 Right.

01:27:59.000 That's who they are.

01:28:00.000 They used to... I first encountered them in college back in the early seventies when they tried to get unsuspecting students to attend these suppers.

01:28:11.000 And of course, like any starving college kid, the idea of a free meal is pretty attractive.

01:28:18.000 But unfortunately, a lot of people got tied up with this bunch and still are.

01:28:23.000 Well, let's get into the NSA and let's get into Mr. Rove, and just a whole host of issues when we get back.

01:28:31.000 And we'll take some phone calls at 1-800-259-9231.

01:28:35.000 We'll be right back with our guest, Wayne Madison.

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01:32:24.000 Wayne, you know, working at the NSA, and then now since 94 being a journalist, writing on all of this, watching the police state being set up, Witnessing the face-scanning cameras, the national ID cards, the control grid, the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act being used, you know, against people selling knock-off Rubik's Cubes, or pirated DVDs, or county commissioners getting payoffs for more parking spaces.

01:32:53.000 It's clear that criminals have taken control of the government and are simply setting up a police state to then protect themselves from the public if we ever wake up to it.

01:33:05.000 How do we stop these individuals?

01:33:07.000 Well, that's something I could talk about for hours and hours.

01:33:15.000 I always go back and read some of what our founding fathers and mothers wrote during the revolution, and I really think that we need to go back to basics here and look at what these, as you rightly call them, criminals.

01:33:30.000 The only difference between the Bushes and the Sopranos is the Sopranos serve a better dinner. 1.00

01:33:36.000 The Italian food is pretty good in the Soprano house.

01:33:42.000 I don't think pork rinds and pretzels at the Bushes is anything to compare with that.

01:33:48.000 But anyway, I really think that when I have people at the National Security Agency coming to me Essentially as whistleblowers and saying that their rights are being infringed upon, their privacy is being invaded.

01:34:01.000 Then I think people can understand how bad things have gotten in this country.

01:34:06.000 Well, that was in the first Patriot Act, going after whistleblower protection.

01:34:10.000 That's right.

01:34:10.000 In fact, you've written an article, the Neocon Power Graviton, saying in an attempt to stifle the press.

01:34:15.000 Can you cover that story for us?

01:34:17.000 Well, basically what's going on at the National Security Agency is that the employees who are being fired for the least little thing are are being told by security up there, which is basically the security at NSA is working hand in glove with the people like Rumsfeld.

01:34:36.000 Yeah, it's a military goon squad.

01:34:38.000 Right, exactly.

01:34:39.000 This is like the Stasi, KGB, and Gestapo all mixed up into one.

01:34:43.000 And what they're being told is, look, if you talk to a member of Congress, which is their right, if you talk to a member of the press, we're going to find something on you, we're going to fire you.

01:34:54.000 And this has happened to quite a few people.

01:34:56.000 Now, that's how it's going on at the, what's happening at the NSA.

01:35:00.000 Now, over at the CIA, They're firing people basically because of policy differences going back to the pre-war intelligence.

01:35:07.000 Tell them, make up lies or you're gone!

01:35:09.000 Right.

01:35:10.000 See, at NSA you've got more of a technical group of people there that don't, they don't by and large get involved in too many policy issues.

01:35:17.000 Yeah, data collection, the CIA then is pouring over.

01:35:20.000 Right.

01:35:20.000 The NSA, they're the people out there trolling the internet and trolling the communications frequencies of satellites.

01:35:27.000 For all the information you're using.

01:35:29.000 As you mentioned, Echelon and systems like it to do that.

01:35:33.000 And so what they're doing, how they're purging NSA is basically on trivia, on administrative issues.

01:35:40.000 You know, if you step out of line, well that's enough for us to go after you.

01:35:44.000 Whereas at the CIA, because they are involved in more policy issues, they're using policy differences with the Bush administration to get rid of them.

01:35:52.000 The same thing is going on at the Defense Intelligence Agency and has been for Quite some time.

01:35:56.000 So what we're seeing, we're seeing a purge of the intelligence agencies in this country.

01:36:01.000 People who have years and years of experience in foreign languages, experience with other countries, and key people in those countries, and all sorts of different intelligence gathering systems.

01:36:18.000 They're all being purged because they're considered to be a threat to this, whatever world order or national order Now, bottom line from all your research and study, and obviously Bush and his minions are just puppets of the military industrial complex, they're just mid-level minions as well, but what type of world Are you on a cordless phone?

01:36:48.000 Yes, I am.

01:36:48.000 Is there any way to get to a landline?

01:36:50.000 Well, I don't have an actual hard wire here, but let me move closer to the base station.

01:36:56.000 Yeah, it's breaking up, sorry.

01:36:57.000 Okay.

01:36:58.000 What type of world are they trying to build?

01:37:01.000 I mean, if they had their wish list, if they could have whatever they wanted from all the evidence of what they're doing, what would that be?

01:37:06.000 Well, I think it's a world where a few corporations, corporations that they control basically, you know, They call the shots.

01:37:17.000 National parliaments and legislatures are meaningless.

01:37:20.000 Organizations like the United Nations and others are just subservient.

01:37:24.000 And of course individual rights are way out the window.

01:37:28.000 I think what they're talking about is some sort of massive corporate state.

01:37:34.000 Sort of what we've seen with Franco in Spain and Pinochet in Chile and of course the system that Joe Stalin ran in Soviet Russia.

01:37:46.000 But even the so-called UN was founded by the U.S.

01:37:50.000 government in 1946 there in Presidio.

01:37:53.000 And so really you get two different choices.

01:37:55.000 Except IAEA inspectors in have 12 years of sanction.

01:38:00.000 That's the good cop, which is genocide. 0.89

01:38:02.000 And the bad cop is we're going to salt the earth with DU and kill your population. 0.99

01:38:06.000 Well, that's right.

01:38:08.000 And I just think that the reason Bush wants a senator like Bolton to the United Nations, of course, is that Bolton will try to fire everybody up there, as what we see happening at the CIA and the State Department and NSA, get a bunch of international civil as what we see happening at the CIA and the State Department and NSA, Totally subservient to the Bush agenda.

01:38:31.000 Let me bring this up.

01:38:32.000 Clinton in actuality went along with their policies of invading countries.

01:38:38.000 He vacations with them.

01:38:39.000 He's a surrogate member of the family according to the Boston Globe.

01:38:44.000 And we're now hearing in the press that the Bush's may support Clinton as Secretary General and that they've already lined up seven of the G8 if Kofi Annan leaves in the next year.

01:38:54.000 Do you think there's anything to that?

01:38:55.000 Well, that would be a real sea change for the United Nations because there's always been sort of an unwritten policy that That the Secretary General not come from one of the permanent members of the Security Council.

01:39:06.000 So if that in fact happens, whether it's Clinton or any other American, would be a real change for the United Nations since its foundation in 1946.

01:39:18.000 So I think that would be another indication that we may see the UN become nothing more than a rubber stamp for Not the United States, because I think the United States and the Bush Administration are two different entities.

01:39:32.000 But we'll see the U.N.

01:39:33.000 just become another tool for these international corporatists.

01:39:39.000 And for those that don't know, I mean, Bush really is just a viceroy over one of the empire's plantations that happens to raise a lot of the armies and troops for this whole system.

01:39:50.000 And again, when we say corporation, these are bigger than governments.

01:39:55.000 They are totally criminal. 0.72

01:39:57.000 They go in with death squads, say in Africa, if somebody isn't giving them a diamond monopoly, and kill everybody, and then they brag about it. 0.98

01:40:04.000 This is not free market.

01:40:06.000 Oh no, it's not at all.

01:40:08.000 So when we hear about free markets and the free trade area, the Americas and Central America, free trade area, NAFTA and all, world trade stuff, this is just trying to get things right for when these multi-national corporations basically take over.

01:40:28.000 And this is why we see the anti-globalization movement.

01:40:31.000 Now, you know, we had this Rejection by the French and the Dutch of the European Constitution.

01:40:38.000 Now a lot of that had to do with domestic politics, but one thing that is common to both the Netherlands and France is there was a reaction in both countries against the idea that Europe will be expanding to the Iranian border if these people have it their way.

01:40:52.000 And that was never the intention of the people who founded the European Community and then the European Union.

01:40:58.000 Well, that's not what they told the people, but we've got the Bilderberg Group documents.

01:41:01.000 That was their plan.

01:41:02.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:41:03.000 And so the same financial, and I pointed this out, Wayne, the same people that own and run Europe are in bed with the people here.

01:41:11.000 They just act like there's this good cop, bad cop fight going on to give the illusion of a bipolar world.

01:41:16.000 What do you think of people like Thomas Barnett at the Naval War College who openly gets up on C-SPAN and says, we work for global corporations, this is a one world government, we're going to attack all these third world countries.

01:41:30.000 I mean, they're just right out in the open with it.

01:41:32.000 Well they are, and I would recommend it to people.

01:41:35.000 This is nothing new.

01:41:37.000 Marine Corps General Smedley Butler talked about this back in the 1930s saying he was just nothing more than a foot soldier for the United Fruit Company.

01:41:45.000 They tried to hire him to overthrow the U.S. government.

01:41:48.000 They tried to hire him to overthrow Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the constitutionally elected president of the United States, in a coup d'etat.

01:41:55.000 And he rejected them and then went public with it.

01:41:58.000 And, of course, his testimony was held in secrecy by the U.S. Constitution.

01:42:03.000 Congress, I think, up until the 1970s.

01:42:05.000 Yeah, that was the McCormick-Dickstein Committee.

01:42:07.000 That's right.

01:42:08.000 So this is nothing new.

01:42:11.000 I think we've been running, you know, look at Bush is going after everything that Roosevelt I'm trying to put in with the New Deal and all the other social safety nets that were implemented by Roosevelt.

01:42:25.000 These guys are trying to get rid of him.

01:42:26.000 Well, to be clear, I was no fan of Roosevelt, but it just shows this particular crowd who was funding Hitler was trying to throw him out and set up their own little dictatorship. 0.63

01:42:35.000 But Roosevelt and his whole crowd, the way this works is they get everything socialized, get us dependent, And then, once they've grown the government big enough, they just hand the government over to private corporations and they become the government.

01:42:49.000 Well, yeah, and you know what?

01:42:50.000 It's interesting that one of the people back in those days who, of course, was so much opposed to Roosevelt and probably silently, with a wink and a nod, was saying to these coup plotters, yeah, that's a good idea.

01:43:05.000 Because a lot of it came out of Connecticut, uh, was Prescott Bush, who we know was the grandfather of the current president and father of George H.W.

01:43:12.000 In fact, I just put a new film out covering this.

01:43:14.000 He worked for the Nazi company that was behind all this.

01:43:17.000 But for those that just joined us and don't realize what we're facing, this isn't a joke.

01:43:22.000 I have the hearings with Oliver North in the mid-80s in the joint session there.

01:43:28.000 Well, you know, the Iran contract people are back in charge.

01:43:31.000 Congressman Jack Brooks brings up, I read the Miami Papers of a plan to have a martial law and to put Americans in camp.

01:43:38.000 Can you comment on that?

01:43:39.000 And then Senator Inouye, the chairman, goes, we will not allow a discussion of that.

01:43:42.000 If you'd like to discuss it, we can do that in an executive session.

01:43:45.000 Were you aware of those?

01:43:47.000 I mean, it seems like they're always trying to get this.

01:43:50.000 Well, you know, the Iran-Contra people are back in charge.

01:43:53.000 The only guy I don't think is working for the government is Oliver North.

01:43:57.000 But you look around, you've got Elliot Abrams.

01:44:00.000 he's working in the national security council.

01:44:03.000 You've got all these others who are involved.

01:44:05.000 They tried to have the five-time convicted felon, Poindexter.

01:44:08.000 Poindexter, Total Information Awareness System, and then even go back to Watergate, you still have some of these people.

01:44:17.000 walking around, many of them who serve time in prison are felons, are now saying this guy, Mark Feldo, he's a criminal, he's a traitor to his nation.

01:44:29.000 So it's almost like if you serve time in prison or you were indicted, now you're being put up on a pedestal, which I can only think is part of this Bush administration mantra of if you violate the Constitution and you go to prison for it, then somehow you're a hero.

01:44:47.000 But the Democrats are totally mom on this, and many of them are involved as well.

01:44:52.000 Oh, they've been, yeah, many of these Democrats.

01:44:54.000 I mean, look at the number of Democrats who supported this illegal war in Iraq.

01:44:57.000 I mean, you've got John Kerry, I voted for it before I voted against it, or against it before I voted for it.

01:45:04.000 You've got Joe Biden, whose rhetoric sounds good today, but he was one of the big champions to go into Iraq.

01:45:11.000 So, yeah, you've got Joe Lieberman, who really should have an R next to his name instead of a D.

01:45:19.000 Yeah, a lot of these Democrats are, you know, they hold their finger up.

01:45:26.000 And I see it living in his town in Washington.

01:45:28.000 They'll hold their finger up and see which way the wind's blowing.

01:45:31.000 And that's the way they'll go politically.

01:45:34.000 But at least in the case of Howard Dean, now they're going after him because he's telling the truth.

01:45:38.000 He's not accepting it, and he never did.

01:45:42.000 That's why he can get people excited.

01:45:46.000 I don't want to hear from Republicans that, oh, Dean's bad, he's anti-gun, probe, and border, because he is bad because of that, but Bush is for all that and more.

01:45:55.000 I mean, this is the insanity, Mr. Madsen, is that Bush is not a conservative, the biggest federal budget ever, out Clinton and Clinton on the score of issues, But one talk show host calls them Kool-Aid drinkers.

01:46:10.000 These so-called conservatives are not really conservative.

01:46:12.000 Oh, no.

01:46:13.000 I mean, if you look at what they're doing, I mean, the idea of nation-building.

01:46:16.000 But Bush spoke to the OAS meeting in Miami the other day, and he said he thinks the United States should, you know, actively go into countries in Latin America Uh, where we don't agree with the type of government that they have.

01:46:30.000 Well, bottom line, bottom line, sir, where do you see all this going?

01:46:35.000 I mean, where are they having victories?

01:46:36.000 Where are they having defeats?

01:46:38.000 Give us your forecast.

01:46:39.000 What do you see happening?

01:46:40.000 Well, I don't see, I see the status quo going on, you know, the bickering in Congress up until the congressional When we see those congressional elections, I think what we're going to see, I think we're going to see Democrats do quite well, and I think we're going to see a two-year lame-duck presidency of George W. Bush, and I think we'll see some of our commitments overseas, some of our troops coming back.

01:47:10.000 They can't come back soon enough from Iraq, as far as I'm concerned, but I think we're going to see a movement away from nation-building, away from this Tax Americana, this American empire that these peanackers, these Project for New American Century people have been pushing, I think we're going to see a real rejection at the polls. 0.99

01:47:28.000 If the election is conducted fairly, that's a big if, but I think we'll see a big rejection of their policies next year.

01:47:35.000 But as you said, the Democrats are all in league and owned by the same big foundations and corporations.

01:47:40.000 I don't... Well, you know, I look at a place like Connecticut where the Democrats have just about had it with Joe Lieberman.

01:47:47.000 They're talking about running somebody against him in the primary.

01:47:49.000 They're saying, let's run a real Democrat against Lieberman.

01:47:52.000 I think that may happen.

01:47:54.000 I think we may see Lieberman thrown out.

01:47:56.000 I think that may happen to a couple of these wishy-washy Democrats who go along when it's convenient.

01:48:01.000 But Bush and the establishment Democrats are trying to accelerate putting in the electronic voting machines.

01:48:07.000 Oh yeah, and I see a lot of I think there's going to be a reaction against that.

01:48:13.000 We've already seen some tests being conducted in Florida showing how easy it was for the election to be fixed using these machines.

01:48:22.000 I actually think we're going to see a return to paper, and I wouldn't be surprised to see those hanging chads coming back.

01:48:30.000 All right, let's jam a call in here.

01:48:32.000 Up first is Jeff.

01:48:35.000 Jeff, where are you calling us from?

01:48:36.000 This is Addy Alex.

01:48:38.000 Welcome, sir.

01:48:39.000 How are you today?

01:48:41.000 I was wondering if you or your guests had witnessed the Joseph Goebbels propaganda that they ran on FX the other night called Oil Storm.

01:48:52.000 Have you seen that?

01:48:54.000 No, I don't watch much TV.

01:48:55.000 What was it?

01:48:56.000 Basically, it was a way for the government to completely cloud the issue of George Bush's relationship to the Saudis And it was very confusing.

01:49:14.000 So it was a fiction program legitimizing the Bush-Bin Laden connection?

01:49:20.000 It was minimizing it to a point where they were saying that there was none.

01:49:24.000 For those that don't know, there's more propaganda in fiction TV shows than there is on the news.

01:49:29.000 Mr. Madsen?

01:49:31.000 Well, that's right, and you know, we saw that with this last election where Carl Rowe, we mentioned him briefly, was putting a lot of pressure on Hollywood to come out with propaganda-type shows, and we've seen a lot of these.

01:49:44.000 Well, he met with the Motion Picture Association of America.

01:49:47.000 Absolutely, he did.

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01:54:03.000 Then we have another guest coming on.

01:54:05.000 But, Mr. Madsen, you've written a lot of really great books, but any in particular you'd like to tell us about?

01:54:14.000 Well, I've got a forthcoming book called Jaded Taz, Big Oil, Black Ops, and Brass Plates, and that has a lot to do with the oil industry and how they're part and parcel of these private military contractors that we see so active and that has a lot to do with the oil industry and how You know, there's $8 billion missing.

01:54:36.000 From Iraq, and I would suggest that a lot of that wound up in the hands of these very... No! 0.99

01:54:41.000 They wouldn't do that!

01:54:43.000 We can trust them!

01:54:45.000 See, we used to call them mercenaries, and the U.S.

01:54:47.000 didn't like mercenaries, but now they're called private military contractors.

01:54:51.000 See, it's part of the Orwell movie.

01:54:52.000 Well, you know, I've got reports that private mercs are dealing drugs, doing murder for hire for the globalists right now here in the U.S.

01:55:00.000 Why should they change?

01:55:01.000 These people used to be called Air America and Southern Air Transport.

01:55:05.000 They were involved in the drug business with good old Ollie North and all that gang down in Nicaragua and down in Columbia.

01:55:13.000 These are the same people.

01:55:16.000 Actually, I even heard that Richard Secord, talking about a blast from the past, Iran Contra, he's been cited several times in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel in Tashkent in Uzbekistan.

01:55:29.000 So see, we've got this whole crowd is back together again.

01:55:33.000 think 9/11 has been pretty good business for these folks Wayne Madsen report comms the website finish up Jeff what you were saying well I just was very concerned because it seems that effect has been pumping out some serious propaganda lately they've got a Iraq thing coming out soon called over there and I watched oil storm and I'm you know I know about you and everything that you talk about and I I was even confused in the beginning as to whether or not it was reality.

01:56:03.000 Then with the painstaking effort to make that look as real as possible, even the film footage had courtesy of this TV station on it.

01:56:17.000 There are hundreds of dramas now that are meant to look real, and they're not real to confuse the dumbed-down public.

01:56:25.000 Thanks for the call.

01:56:26.000 I mean, Wayne Madsen, if we've got $242 million just for one federal program and fake newscasts, we're talking about big money here.

01:56:34.000 Well, we are, and you know, I can relate a story I heard from a pretty well-known person here in Washington who was speaking to a high-level White House official, and I can't say whether that official was Karl Rove, If I had to bet money on it, I'd say it was because of what the person said.

01:56:49.000 He said, look, the United States basically controls the world right now.

01:56:53.000 The Bush administration has control over the world's media.

01:56:57.000 And we control reality.

01:56:59.000 Right, we can control our own reality, and if we don't like the reality that we create, in 30 minutes we can change it.

01:57:08.000 And this is exactly what's happening, as your caller said, with TV shows, fiction, and other things.

01:57:17.000 Well, I mean, almost every program out there says how good torture is.

01:57:21.000 They actually say it's an American virtue.

01:57:21.000 Well, that's right.

01:57:24.000 That's right.

01:57:26.000 Unbelievable.

01:57:27.000 Stay there, Serge.

01:57:28.000 I'm going to do five more minutes with you so we can talk to Fred and Kim.

01:57:32.000 That's all we're going to have time for with calls for now.

01:57:33.000 Because then we've got another guest coming up.

01:57:36.000 Now they're paying off the college students.

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01:58:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:07.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Fred in Pennsylvania.

01:58:10.000 segment with our guest from the next last hour.

01:58:10.000 Fred, go ahead.

01:58:12.000 Author, of course, syndicated columnist who worked at the National Security Agency via the Navy or the Reagan administration just exposing the nightmare system we're facing.

01:58:23.000 And we're going to take a few final calls for Wayne Madsen, WayneMadsenReport.com.

01:58:29.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Fred in Pennsylvania.

01:58:33.000 Fred, go ahead.

01:58:34.000 Wayne, I want to ask you, don't you think at this political system with these big candidates that I can't stomach, like Hillary Clinton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bill Clinton for Secretary General. Bill Clinton for Secretary General.

01:58:52.000 It's part of the disease that's really all around us because people like the Clintons have already been completely confused.

01:59:05.000 Absolutely discredited, the bribery, the repression and violence.

01:59:08.000 I was about to say this.

01:59:10.000 You're bringing up the central point.

01:59:11.000 Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

01:59:14.000 It's like Caligula marrying his horse and making it the leader of the Senate in Rome.

01:59:19.000 It seems like everybody's waking up to them, but they just get crazier and crazier and more out in the open, Wayne.

01:59:25.000 Well, I agree.

01:59:26.000 Certainly some of the things I saw in the Clinton administration with what they did in Africa, for example, the failure to get involved in that terrible Holocaust in Rwanda, which then spread into the Congo, and what we saw with the attack on Yugoslavia.

01:59:43.000 Now they're talking about Hillary taking over from Bush, and then we'll have eight years of Hillary, and then another Bush.

01:59:50.000 I don't know.

01:59:51.000 Are the Bush and the Clinton, are these two family monarchies?

01:59:55.000 They created a dual monarchy situation.

01:59:58.000 I want to get some new blood in there.

02:00:00.000 I agree with the caller.

02:00:01.000 That's why I find Howard Dean to be refreshing.

02:00:04.000 At least, I loved it when he yelled in Iowa.

02:00:06.000 I said, man, there's a guy with a pulse.

02:00:08.000 The guy's alive.

02:00:09.000 He actually cares enough to yell and scream about what's going on in this country.

02:00:13.000 I wish more people would yell and scream.

02:00:16.000 I don't agree with him on the Second Amendment and stuff, but I don't agree with Bush either, but yeah, I mean, our founding fathers yelled and screamed.

02:00:23.000 Oh, we're not supposed to yell and scream.

02:00:24.000 Thanks, Fred.

02:00:26.000 Kim in Texas.

02:00:26.000 Thank you for the call.

02:00:27.000 Kim, go ahead.

02:00:29.000 Hi, I was watching CBS.

02:00:32.000 Uh, yes.

02:00:33.000 And, uh, the NOW Show was talking about how they're re-advising the Patriot Act 1, 2, and 3.

02:00:40.000 They were specifically talking about the sneak and peek.

02:00:43.000 Lane, get back by your phone, Jack, for me.

02:00:45.000 Uh, sorry, go ahead, ma'am. 0.99

02:00:47.000 And then, this morning, I feel new that Tony Blair's here in the United States.

02:00:53.000 So, I'm thinking, is that why he's here?

02:00:56.000 Well, no, they're just here to get all their lies straight.

02:00:58.000 And of course, oh, that's a good point.

02:01:00.000 The Downing Street memo.

02:01:01.000 I mean, how many internal memos do we have where it's admitted that they premeditatedly lied, Wayne?

02:01:06.000 Well, we've got several.

02:01:08.000 We've not only got the real memos like Downing Street, we've got all these fake things running around like the Niger documents, the forged documents, the kind of stuff they tried to stick George Galloway with.

02:01:20.000 When in fact, that was a big smokescreen, as he said, and a bigger smokescreen is that some of this Iraqi oil during the embargo was going to Enron and Cook Industries, which is a family tied up with the Bushes.

02:01:33.000 They're the very people doing it and Halliburton selling oil-filled equipment.

02:01:36.000 Kim, you've got the last word.

02:01:38.000 Oh yes.

02:01:39.000 Also, please call Washington, D.C., guys, and let them know about this.

02:01:43.000 Let them know you know they're looking at the Patriot Act again.

02:01:47.000 Because they seemed surprised when I called about it.

02:01:49.000 I called the Republican side.

02:01:51.000 Well, that's just how they act.

02:01:52.000 Everybody knows it's in the Intelligence Committee, radically beefing it up.

02:01:56.000 And to cut through all the confusion, it's 2.5.

02:01:59.000 They passed one, they passed part of two, this should be called 2.5.

02:02:02.000 Wayne, final comments.

02:02:04.000 Well, I would, yeah, the Patriot Act is a terrible thing.

02:02:07.000 I would just tell people, Look, don't send letters to your members because after the anthrax attacks, they'll never get the letters.

02:02:14.000 But hit them with email as much as you can.

02:02:17.000 They do read the email.

02:02:18.000 And they have to get it off of their servers because if they get too much of it...

02:02:23.000 They've got to read it and take it off.

02:02:24.000 So hit them with the email and hit them with the phone call.

02:02:27.000 All right, Wayne, thanks for coming on.

02:02:28.000 Thanks, Ken.

02:02:29.000 Good to be with you.

02:02:30.000 Wayne Madsen, great job.

02:02:31.000 Appreciate your patriotism and telling the truth, my friend.

02:02:35.000 Take care.

02:02:35.000 Thank you.

02:02:36.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back after this quick break with another powerful guest and your calls and a ton of news.

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02:06:07.000 Alright, second segment of the third hour.

02:06:09.000 Eight minutes and twenty-five seconds in.

02:06:11.000 On this Tuesday edition, seventh day.

02:06:17.000 Of June 2005, Professor John Gledhill, President of Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists, is going to be on with us in just one moment, covering this subject.

02:06:29.000 This is from the BBC.

02:06:31.000 We talked about this last Friday.

02:06:33.000 Fears over CIA university spies.

02:06:37.000 A CIA scheme to sponsor trainee spies, secretly through US university courses, has caused anger among UK academics.

02:06:46.000 And this has already been going on here in the U.S.

02:06:48.000 for a long time.

02:06:49.000 The Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program pays anthropology students, whose names are not disclosed, upwards of $50,000 a year, 27,500 pounds a year.

02:07:02.000 They're expected to use the techniques of fieldwork to gather political and cultural details on other countries.

02:07:08.000 Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists called the scholarships ethically dangerous and divisive.

02:07:14.000 And then it goes on.

02:07:15.000 Now before we go to our guest, I want to give you some background.

02:07:19.000 Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his farewell speech in 1960, said, Beware the undue and unwarranted influence of the military-industrial complex.

02:07:32.000 And he was a captain of that, but I guess he was having pangs of conscience.

02:07:36.000 At that time, about 80% of all funding in our universities, and even in private research facilities, was being paid for by the U.S.

02:07:44.000 government.

02:07:46.000 Now we live in an age, again, of $240-something million for one package of fake newscasts last year.

02:07:53.000 Fake newscasts everywhere.

02:07:54.000 They're paying for Hollywood movies to have torture messages, secret arrest messages, anti-family messages.

02:08:01.000 I mean, they are just breaking down our society.

02:08:04.000 Propaganda everywhere.

02:08:06.000 We talked about that with our guest expert and former member of the National Security Agency in the last hour.

02:08:12.000 So this is part and parcel of that.

02:08:15.000 And then of course there are more foreign students here in the U.S.

02:08:18.000 than any other country in the world in the aggregate.

02:08:20.000 So they come here and they get $50,000.

02:08:22.000 Now that's $25,000 to have your tuition paid at the nicest schools.

02:08:28.000 And then another $25,000 to live quite comfortable.

02:08:31.000 Nice work if you can get it.

02:08:33.000 And they have to have secret summer meetings with the CIA at summer camps.

02:08:37.000 They're basically being taught to be spies.

02:08:39.000 This is going to get a lot of anthropologists killed.

02:08:42.000 Not to mention control a whole society, you know, the whole next wave of anthropologists.

02:08:50.000 Which I think is one of the most important fields out there.

02:08:53.000 I'm not an anthropologist, though in my leisure I do read a lot of psychology and a lot of anthropological work out there on the subject because I find it to be just a very revealing science and just spot on with so much of the work that's out there to understand.

02:09:12.000 And the social architects understand this and to build this worldwide prison state, they've got to do it.

02:09:19.000 Thousands of members of the press are CIA officers.

02:09:21.000 Most are major editors in this country.

02:09:23.000 That's now come out.

02:09:25.000 And then many others are paid off by the Department of Education, Department of Transportation, Department of Health and Human Services, Defense Intelligence, NSA, CIA.

02:09:33.000 Billions of dollars!

02:09:34.000 We have fake newscasts here in Austin.

02:09:36.000 You can confirm they're fake and no one even seems to care.

02:09:40.000 It's unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen.

02:09:42.000 But then real reporters go overseas and get killed because people think they're CIA.

02:09:49.000 Real social workers get killed overseas, aid workers.

02:09:52.000 Real anthropologists get killed.

02:09:54.000 But there's so much money being spent on this, and this is just one tiny node, one little facet in an ocean.

02:10:04.000 A hurricane of covert operations.

02:10:08.000 So again, joining us, I appreciate him holding during that diatribe.

02:10:13.000 is the President, Professor John Gledhill, President of Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists.

02:10:23.000 Thank you for coming on, sir.

02:10:25.000 Pleasure.

02:10:26.000 Do you disagree with any of that three-minute raving?

02:10:30.000 Not really.

02:10:31.000 I mean, obviously this particular program seems to be only part of a broader pattern, and I gather that From what we're learning now that there are other kinds of funding programs being generated by other agencies as well.

02:10:47.000 Of course, particularly for those of us abroad, I mean, this is all very, very obscure.

02:10:52.000 Of course, we do have American students coming here to study because it's all focused on individual students. 0.66

02:11:02.000 We've no way of knowing who anybody is, basically.

02:11:05.000 And they signed agreements!

02:11:06.000 I mean, they're basically becoming CIA employees!

02:11:09.000 Yes, one of the things that interested me in some work that an American colleague was doing on this was, obviously as part of their anthropology training, they will be trained in research ethics, I mean, or anthropology.

02:11:23.000 These programs place a lot of attention on ethical questions and your responsibilities to your research subjects and how to do research and inform, consent in the research process, these kinds of issues.

02:11:37.000 It appears that if they got cold feet and decided they didn't really feel happy with their their chosen career, they might well have to pay back a lot more even on the $50,000 they were getting in the grant.

02:11:51.000 Yeah, they're going to be bought and paid for for life.

02:11:54.000 Yeah.

02:11:56.000 I mean, obviously our concern most of all is with the responsibilities we have to the people we study.

02:12:07.000 Why does the CIA on the surface, I mean I have it here in the article, but from your view, your detailed view as the president of the organization opposing this, why do they want the young budding anthropologists?

02:12:18.000 I think they're aware that anthropologists, because unlike most other social, I mean there are other people who also do sustained work in a region, I mean, you know, our main method of doing research is ethnography, which means going and living in a region and getting to know it in great detail.

02:12:39.000 So it's a perfect cover for spies.

02:12:41.000 Yeah, because you get to know things about local communities and the larger societies.

02:12:48.000 Plus you're trained to be able to assess them.

02:12:52.000 That's right, that's right.

02:12:54.000 But it's the trust factor that's very central to anthropology.

02:12:57.000 I mean, people who, you know, anywhere you go, I mean, if we just go and do research down the road from where we live, I mean, people are going to be rather suspicious initially of anybody who wants to do research on them.

02:13:09.000 But the sustained presence in fieldwork that anthropologists do is all based on establishing relations of trust across lines of conflict and with different kinds of Kinds of people and obviously if you're your agenda is not to understand the people and to try to emphasize with their point of view, but to serve the aims of a of another country.

02:13:36.000 In geopolitical terms, then you're in a sense abusing that trust quite fundamentally.

02:13:42.000 Well, that's what special forces do, is they'll parachute them in behind enemy lines to train an indigenous group to resist.

02:13:50.000 I'll guarantee you, because I've seen past reports on this, they're going to train a lot of these groups to become rebels, they're going to give them weapons, it's going to be a major crisis creator.

02:14:00.000 That's possible.

02:14:01.000 That's possible.

02:14:03.000 But I mean, even I mean, obviously, if you write about something that you studied, you're very careful to protect the people you studied from harm.

02:14:13.000 I mean, even people you don't like.

02:14:14.000 I mean, we're supposed to be even-handed, impartial researchers.

02:14:18.000 We're supposed to be understanding something, not manipulating it.

02:14:21.000 As a situation.

02:14:22.000 So when you write something for public consumption, you disguise people's identities.

02:14:29.000 You often disguise the identity of a place.

02:14:31.000 And there are lots of things you just decide not to write about because they're potentially harmful.

02:14:36.000 And there are some things you indeed have to decide not to study because the ethical difficulties are too great.

02:14:43.000 You might accidentally do harm to people without intending to.

02:14:48.000 This kind of intelligence gathering operation obviously isn't likely to be constrained by those kinds of considerations.

02:14:54.000 I mean they want to send people into conflict zones with particular agendas and in a sense that people have already taken sides because it's their job to represent the interests of their employers, which in this case would be the US government.

02:15:08.000 Folks, you can go to Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists at www.vasa.org, is that correct?

02:15:20.000 V-A-S-A-T-H-E-A-S-A dot... Oh, I apologize. 1.00

02:15:26.000 And we should have a link to that on InfoWars.com.

02:15:30.000 I mean, what about just the danger to anthropologists if it becomes widely known that a lot of them are CIA?

02:15:37.000 Yeah, I mean, as it is, because of events in the past, and there certainly have been well-documented involvements of anthropologists in the CIA, particularly in the Vietnam period, and also in the civil wars in Central America,

02:15:57.000 I mean, anthropologists are always likely to be subjects of suspicion, and not very often people aren't too good at distinguishing nationalities of white people from abroad.

02:16:07.000 They're certainly not often very good at distinguishing between the British and North Americans, for example.

02:16:16.000 I mean, obviously anybody, irrespective of their nationality and origin, once it's seen that people can receive these rather generous grants and security agencies, then, you know, if that becomes widely understood, then everybody's going to become an object of suspicion.

02:16:31.000 Well, there's a bigger question!

02:16:32.000 There's no way in which, you know, personally, I mean, if this program became extensive, I wouldn't blame anybody for suspecting everybody.

02:16:41.000 What else could they do?

02:16:42.000 We'd have no way of knowing.

02:16:45.000 Well, bottom line, the bigger question here is, and the bigger problem is, all over academia and every discipline is being bought off now by the military-industrial complex.

02:16:59.000 It's a very dangerous trend.

02:17:00.000 Yeah, sure.

02:17:01.000 I mean, obviously the interest isn't solely in anthropologists, it's in language experts, historians, anybody who can Provide information that's thought relevant by the military and the national security agencies.

02:17:17.000 I mean obviously this information could be used in more or less intelligent ways.

02:17:24.000 You know, culturally relevant techniques of torture are probably not actually very effective.

02:17:31.000 What anthropologists try to do is understand the whole society.

02:17:34.000 I mean, the whole way in which people relate to each other.

02:17:38.000 Well, sir, do one more quick little five-minute segment with us.

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02:22:06.000 You can check out the Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists at theasa.org, and we have a link through to that at infowars.com and some other news articles about this.

02:22:19.000 I was talking to Professor John Gledhill during the break, and he brought up a lot of other really key points.

02:22:25.000 They also want to go into these countries and have anthropologists on the payroll to understand how to manipulate those local groups or, even more importantly, which I hadn't thought of, to use that data piecemeal in intelligence agencies as a pretext or an excuse to invade countries or to fund different organizations or to even demonize a group.

02:22:52.000 But please elaborate on that, Professor.

02:22:55.000 Well, it's very important in anthropology not to take snippets of cultural information out of that broader context, And that's one of the great dangers in the use of a subject that's trying to be kind of open-minded by people who have a particular kind of purpose and goal in life.

02:23:16.000 One thing that worries quite a lot of anthropologists about these developments is that because it's all secret within the intelligence community itself.

02:23:29.000 Information will circulate according to the internal logic of the intelligence people themselves.

02:23:36.000 And it will never be subject to any kind of critical scrutiny.

02:23:39.000 So all kinds of crazy ideas could develop within that environment that wouldn't stand up for five minutes if you stood up in a conference and put that point of view with a kind of critical audience who are qualified to discuss the whole ins and outs and the broader picture of the case.

02:23:57.000 But of course, to claim that you're kind of using scholarly knowledge as a guide to action is always a kind of way of legitimizing.

02:24:08.000 Things that might be considered quite ethically dubious in another context.

02:24:15.000 Well, we've already seen this where Dick Cheney tells the CIA what intelligence he wants and fires people that don't do it, so... Yeah, I mean, we've had similar, obviously similar problems arose in Britain during the Iraq War.

02:24:28.000 There was a strong controversy about whether or not The politicians had interpreted the intelligence data in a way that suited them, and then of course the intelligence people then got it in the neck when things went wrong.

02:24:43.000 Two final questions.

02:24:43.000 Where do you think all this is going to go?

02:24:45.000 Is it just going to keep expanding?

02:24:48.000 I'm hoping it won't, because if people do look at our website, or the American Anthropological Association's website, and look at the ethical principles that are supposed to guide what anthropologists do, and other kind of social scientists, or have similar kind of ethical codes, It is clear that this kind of covert

02:25:08.000 Research and covert relationships with agencies outside academia are not really consistent with pursuing ethical research that can be defended as... Yeah, I mean, it's not real scientific research.

02:25:19.000 It's like paying for a study and then telling them what response you want.

02:25:24.000 That's the problem.

02:25:25.000 And it will, you know, inevitably, these people will probably find themselves, you know... Well, I would think that... I mean, I would think that the global empire controllers would leave this alone because they want real data.

02:25:36.000 I mean, it seems like they're going to screw up their own source.

02:25:38.000 If you wanted to have a proper understanding of these conflict situations, you would do much better to read broadly from a several series of different points of view about a region, and you'd do much better to have public meetings in which, you know, those who are willing to participate in them could discuss.

02:25:56.000 But Karl Rove has said that...

02:25:58.000 That we're an empire and that he controls reality, so I guess they think that if they fund anthropologists to put out this info, that will magically make the peoples they're studying change?

02:26:08.000 I mean, that's delusional.

02:26:09.000 Yeah, it is.

02:26:10.000 And I think the lesson of history is that that kind of role for anthropologists and other kinds of academics has always been a failure.

02:26:18.000 Last question.

02:26:20.000 We're almost out of time.

02:26:21.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:26:22.000 Always produces?

02:26:24.000 You were saying always produces what?

02:26:27.000 It always, I think, produces unexpected consequences and it doesn't really achieve the goals that people imagine.

02:26:33.000 It creates more of a mess than you started with.

02:26:36.000 Well, elites always get delusional.

02:26:37.000 In closing, in about 45 seconds, as an anthropologist yourself, sir, what do you think of the Western world in its modern context compared to old empires?

02:26:48.000 Well, I think it's beginning to look rather too much like the old empires.

02:26:51.000 I mean, you know, the values that, you know, we're claiming, we're defending here may well be good values.

02:26:59.000 And I think we'd do rather better to pursue them, you know, more open-handedly and not as covers for other kinds of agendas like economic interest.

02:27:12.000 Global domination.

02:27:13.000 I think we're far too scared of monsters that are either imaginary or of our own creation at the moment, and a bit more of that Western rationality that we claim is the basis of our civilization.

02:27:29.000 All right.

02:27:29.000 Professor John Geldhill, thank you for coming on with us, sir.

02:27:33.000 Pleasure.

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02:32:58.000 It will burn your skin.

02:32:59.000 It will make you sick.

02:33:01.000 I mean, this is real, folks.

02:33:04.000 And I want to warn you.

02:33:05.000 I mean, so many of these public schools put these high-powered cell phone towers up, you know, as a way to raise money.

02:33:14.000 There really are problems connected to this, and here is the London Telegraph.

02:33:21.000 Leukemia risks 70% higher for children near power lines.

02:33:27.000 Children born close to high voltage overhead power lines are more likely to be diagnosed with leukemia according to results of a major government funded study that was published today.

02:33:41.000 And, folks, cell phones are so bad, too.

02:33:44.000 And, you know what?

02:33:45.000 I got a hands-free system.

02:33:46.000 Don't use it some of the time. 1.00

02:33:47.000 I'm an idiot. 1.00

02:33:49.000 The water's full of poison. 1.00

02:33:51.000 I hardly ever drink tap water, but I still do sometimes. 1.00

02:33:54.000 I'm an idiot. 1.00

02:33:55.000 We've all got to take control of our lives. 1.00

02:33:57.000 I mean, this genetically engineered food just doesn't, you know, have reduced nutritional value.

02:34:03.000 It also has proteins and things in it that never existed before and that really make us sick.

02:34:11.000 Researchers find that those whose childhood homes are within 200 meters, that's like 450 feet, of a power line have almost a 70% or greater risk of being diagnosed with leukemia.

02:34:28.000 You know, I think there's one almost that close to my house.

02:34:31.000 That's it, I'm moving.

02:34:33.000 We've got to take this serious, folks.

02:34:34.000 When you drive under a power line, even if it's a strong AM station, notice how it goes, you know, and Billy Bob was talking to John, and you're done driving under it, and it goes away.

02:34:47.000 However, they stress that they have not established the cause of the increased risk that could be due to other factors such as differences in Wealth between those who live near power lines and those who do not.

02:34:58.000 Yeah, right.

02:34:58.000 There's all these other big studies.

02:35:00.000 They say that if a 275 kV or 400 kV national grid lines investigated in the study are indeed the cause of the rise, they would be responsible for approximately 1% of leukemia cases in England and Wales, or around 5 cases a year.

02:35:18.000 I mean, folks, take an electronic device and stick it up near just a light switch.

02:35:25.000 It'll start.

02:35:27.000 Try to listen to shortwave radio up next to any type of appliance.

02:35:32.000 Just the radio waves that, say, a spinning dishwasher throws off.

02:35:38.000 Yeah, it shoots off radio waves.

02:35:40.000 Waves that are picked up.

02:35:41.000 Campaigners claim that lower voltage regional power lines, which operate at 132 kilovolt, might have the same effect in which the cases of leukemia, cases linked to electricity transmission, could be 10 times higher.

02:35:55.000 The study, the largest of its kind to date, is published today in the British Medical Journal.

02:35:59.000 Its analysis of 29,081 people from England and Wales who were diagnosed with cancer aged 15, Between 62 and 95, they are compared with the same number of healthy individuals matched for sex and year and area of birth.

02:36:15.000 Researchers calculated the distance from each person's home at birth and the nearest high voltage overhead line.

02:36:22.000 For those born within 200 meters of the power line, the risk of leukemia is 69% greater than for those born within 600 meters away.

02:36:32.000 Those between 200 meters and 600 meters from the power line are 23% more likely to have been diagnosed with leukemia than those whose homes were more than 600 meters away.

02:36:46.000 And it goes on and on.

02:36:47.000 The study went on to say there is no accepted biological mechanism to explain these results.

02:36:52.000 It could be down to confounding factors such as socioeconomic factors.

02:36:56.000 People should not panic.

02:36:58.000 More research must be carried out to find the mechanism.

02:37:01.000 Well, I disagree.

02:37:02.000 I mean, we've got literally, folks, I've probably seen a hundred studies in the last ten years on this.

02:37:09.000 Folks, a cell phone is a microwave transmitter.

02:37:13.000 Major studies admit that it actually heats the brain Upwards of a degree in many cases when you use one.

02:37:19.000 Years ago I'd be on the phone for an hour on a road trip, you know, doing a radio interview and I'd get a headache afterwards.

02:37:26.000 I'd start sweating.

02:37:28.000 It just is not good for you.

02:37:32.000 One theory is cornea ions, small charged particles given off by power lines, oh really?

02:37:38.000 Attach themselves to air pollution particles.

02:37:40.000 It is argued that those who live nearby are therefore at risk from inhaled pollution.

02:37:45.000 Around 400 to 420 new leukemia cases.

02:37:48.000 That is true.

02:37:49.000 That's what the heart program does. 0.98

02:37:50.000 It ionizes the atmosphere and causes all types of particulates to congeal and fall to the ground.

02:37:56.000 But that's only one thing it does.

02:37:58.000 It also sends off these, basically, you know, it's like rays from space.

02:38:02.000 You know, they talk about when you're in an airplane at 35,000 feet, you get the equivalent of like 10 chest x-rays.

02:38:09.000 That's because there's more radiation that isn't deflected by the atmosphere.

02:38:12.000 Because you think of the atmosphere as being, you know, no matter being there.

02:38:16.000 It's actually quite thick.

02:38:17.000 It's full of water, H2O molecules, helium molecules, oxygen, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and a bunch of other hydrogen.

02:38:29.000 It's like water.

02:38:30.000 I mean, I forget the ratios, but you know, 10,000 feet of lower atmosphere, I forget, is the equivalent of 30 feet of ocean water or something.

02:38:38.000 And there's really no better shield or this type of stuff than water.

02:38:44.000 That's what a lot of, at these nuclear research facilities, it's not just shielded by lead, it's shielded by water.

02:38:52.000 And these power lines, these high-powered power lines, just shoot off all these different types of waves.

02:38:59.000 Around 400 to 420 new leukemia cases are diagnosed in England and Wales each year.

02:39:03.000 Scientists have suggested a range of causes including genetic susceptibility, ionizing radiation, there you go, unusual patterns of exposure to infection in electromagnetic fields.

02:39:15.000 Two major studies published in 2000 by Swedish and American researchers concluded that there was a doubling of risk of childhood leukemia associated with a level of magnetic field exposure received around 100 meters from a power line or 200 feet.

02:39:29.000 Alistair Phillips of the Counselor Group Power Watch said the government should bring in a ban on the new building of 250 meters of high voltage power lines.

02:39:39.000 Nurseries and schools or the adjunct power lines should be relocated so they are further away than 500 meters from the voltage overhead.

02:39:49.000 Folks, again, they've got studies where plants don't grow well under power lines.

02:39:59.000 You know, fast-growing life cycle things, grasses do it, even long life cycle, oak trees, crops. 0.55

02:40:09.000 I mean, people noticed 50 years ago that you'd have a corn crop underneath high tension power lines with a lot of power going through them, and for a good ratio under those power lines, they didn't grow as well.

02:40:25.000 Then they try to argue, well, that's because sun, you know, it's not getting as much sun because of the little lines.

02:40:30.000 But they go, no, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's power, it's corn growing further away from the power lines that aren't having the sun blocked.

02:40:40.000 As if the cables even, you know, blocked it.

02:40:42.000 Microscopic amount of sun.

02:40:45.000 So, it just goes on and on.

02:40:47.000 And frequency pollution is very, very real.

02:40:53.000 And obviously it's part of modern society and we can't get away from all of it, but we really shouldn't have a cell phone up your head.

02:40:59.000 It's been linked in just masses of major studies to brain tumors.

02:41:07.000 You really shouldn't.

02:41:09.000 Electric blankets are very bad for you.

02:41:11.000 A lot of studies show that.

02:41:12.000 I mean, you're literally sleeping eight hours a day in the winter.

02:41:18.000 With this thing with electrical wiring all over it, right up against your skin, then even low voltage causes a major problem.

02:41:28.000 There are a lot of people now who are going into a lower voltage type situation in their houses, and they're seeing a lot of positive health effects.

02:41:38.000 But, I don't know.

02:41:42.000 That's just one article.

02:41:44.000 We'll go to your calls here in just a moment at 1-800-259-9231.

02:41:47.000 1-800-259-9231.

02:41:49.000 And we'll get you up and on the air.

02:41:57.000 Continuing with the news today, this is from PrisonPlanet.com.

02:42:02.000 Tanks in the streets of New York, on a recent trip to New York, these gun-mounted armored tanks, vehicles, We're driving through the streets of Manhattan.

02:42:15.000 I took these pictures with my camera phone, hence the bad quality.

02:42:19.000 This is from a listener.

02:42:21.000 I couldn't believe how many people just waved at the armored soldiers.

02:42:25.000 Peeking out at the top, many even cheered loudly in support.

02:42:29.000 Nobody took the time to say why in the world are armed soldiers and tanks rolling down the middle of the street?

02:42:36.000 This happened the day after I saw an NYPD officer in Times Square.

02:42:39.000 He was simply standing around watching the pedestrian traffic.

02:42:42.000 The only thing out of place was he was carrying a machine gun.

02:42:45.000 Then under that we have anti-war protesters being harassed by tanks.

02:42:52.000 Uh, excuse me, LAVs.

02:42:55.000 Wheeled tanks.

02:42:56.000 I should say properly, a tank has treads.

02:42:59.000 Uh, in LA we have the video of that, high quality video.

02:43:04.000 P.S.

02:43:05.000 The tank pictures were taken at the corner of 53rd and 7th in Manhattan, just a few blocks away from Central Park.

02:43:10.000 We have flashback anti-war protesters in L.A.

02:43:12.000 His response with APCs, flashback Alabama activists, tank unit.

02:43:18.000 So that's just some of the news there on that subject.

02:43:22.000 Judge wants to question U.S.

02:43:24.000 troops on Iraq death.

02:43:25.000 Reuters, a Spanish judge, wants to question three U.S.

02:43:28.000 soldiers as suspects in the death of a Spanish cameraman who was killed when a U.S.

02:43:32.000 tank fired a hotel foreign journalist during the 03 assault on Baghdad.

02:43:37.000 Yeah, that was Reuters.

02:43:38.000 They just pulled up and they admitted they were told to kill the journalist.

02:43:43.000 Absolutely unbelievable, but this is supposedly how we keep America safe, is we attack innocent people.

02:43:53.000 Well, no, that's not going to keep America safe, my friends.

02:43:57.000 Speaking of surveillance, surveillance cameras catch gum droppers in Britain.

02:44:02.000 Manchester Evening Standard.

02:44:03.000 Paul Watson wrote this comment.

02:44:05.000 The true purpose of widespread surveillance cameras is right before us.

02:44:08.000 The intention is to monitor behavior and then define that behavior as criminal.

02:44:13.000 Today, it's dropping gum.

02:44:15.000 Tomorrow, it would be the way you walk.

02:44:16.000 Well, they already have that with biometrics.

02:44:18.000 Remember Admiral Poindexter's giant analysis program?

02:44:21.000 It studied the way people walk and their likelihood of being terrorists.

02:44:27.000 Wardens have issued the first of fifty dollar or fifty pound, basically a hundred dollar fine for dropping chewing gum in Manchester as part of a New Big Brother style little clamp down.

02:44:38.000 They use the term Big Brother as it's good in this article.

02:44:42.000 A man was caught on surveillance camera spitting out the gum In the Piccadilly Gardens, CCTV camera operators saw the incident and alerted city center wardens who were given a description of the offender.

02:44:55.000 They approached the man and issued him a 50-pound penalty notice.

02:44:59.000 It is understood he plans to appeal.

02:45:02.000 So, Manchester is one of the three cities chosen by the government to use on-the-spot fines to tackle the problem of chewing gum stuck to pavements.

02:45:13.000 Yeah, Big Brother now to keep you safe from that.

02:45:16.000 Some good news, Maryland bans night seatbelt spying.

02:45:21.000 Erlich rejects police Big Brother tactics.

02:45:24.000 Maryland State Police will not be using night vision equipment to spy on motorists to see if they are wearing seatbelts.

02:45:30.000 Reacting quickly to complaints, Governor Robert Ehrlich, on Monday, directed the state police to discontinue testing the effectiveness of the equipment.

02:45:39.000 By the way, that's International Seat Belt Initiative.

02:45:43.000 2.2 billion a year.

02:45:44.000 It has nothing to do with seat belts.

02:45:46.000 It's about searching vehicles.

02:45:47.000 But it's whenever they get caught, it's, oh, it's for seat belts.

02:45:50.000 Governor Ehrlich isn't a fan of Big Brother tactics.

02:45:53.000 When it comes to law enforcement, that's the very reason why he vetoed speed cameras, said Charisse DeLaver, as spokeswoman for Ehrlich.

02:46:01.000 Well, at least that's good news.

02:46:03.000 The Governor felt that there is an appropriate time and place for the use of night vision equipment.

02:46:07.000 However, he did not feel that seat belt enforcement rose to that level, the lever said.

02:46:12.000 Borrowed from the military, the equipment was used only during a three hour test in Rockville area of Montgomery County Wednesday night.

02:46:19.000 The equipment already has been returned.

02:46:21.000 Hey folks, you don't like that?

02:46:23.000 I saw articles eight years ago where the Army was giving free ground penetrating radar to police departments.

02:46:29.000 It isn't like infrared that just sees a little bit through your walls.

02:46:32.000 You know, basically heat patterns.

02:46:33.000 It sees, you know, a black and white image of you in the shower, in bed with your wife, whatever.

02:46:39.000 I mean, this is out of control.

02:46:43.000 I told you Newsweek's a government op, folks.

02:46:45.000 This is out of the raw story.

02:46:46.000 Newsweek DC Media Manager will become PRVP, or White House Anti-Drug Campaign.

02:46:55.000 Rosanna Matita, Newsweek's Washington Media Relations Manager, leaves the magazine to join a public relations firm as Vice President for the White House's anti-drug campaign tomorrow, i.e.

02:47:06.000 going after their competition.

02:47:08.000 The move was announced Friday in an email to the press.

02:47:10.000 She will join the international public relations firm, Fleischmann Hillard.

02:47:16.000 After five years at Newsweek, I'm leaving on Monday to pursue a new adventure in a PR firm.

02:47:21.000 You were always part of a PR firm.

02:47:23.000 Flashman Hillard, she wrote, it's been a great pleasure to work with you over the years and I hope we will continue to do so in my new capacity, VP for the White House Anti-Drug Campaign, said.

02:47:33.000 The U.S.

02:47:35.000 Office of National Drug Policy, she said, has its own spokesperson.

02:47:39.000 She declined to comment further, referring questions on Monday, ruling that overruled state medical marijuana laws to her new firm.

02:47:47.000 Fleishman-Hillard has been the architect of the White House Aggressive Anti-Drug Campaigns, which have increased drugs on the street.

02:47:54.000 Particularly with regard to marijuana, they pioneered a campaign which encouraged parents to engage their children about drug use and also link drug use to funding Al-Qaeda.

02:48:04.000 The firm asserts that they have successfully changed perceptions about marijuana.

02:48:12.000 Yes, so that it's connected to terrorists. 0.98

02:48:14.000 Just absolutely ridiculous. 0.97

02:48:16.000 Alright, we'll come back. 0.92

02:48:17.000 The Downing Street Memo, Top Secret, no more.

02:48:21.000 MEPs devoted to invasive data collection systems, and a lot more.

02:48:26.000 We'll probably have time to jam a few calls in here.

02:48:30.000 I thought we had a bunch of calls and they all dropped.

02:48:32.000 Maybe phones again.

02:48:32.000 So we'll see if we can get back through.

02:48:34.000 Alright ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back on the other side of this quick break.

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02:48:43.000 Stay with us.

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02:51:56.000 We're going to take a final call from Dale in Texas.

02:51:58.000 Cover a few final news items here.

02:52:01.000 I've been getting a few calls from radio station managers that want to pick the show up because callers, listeners call them.

02:52:09.000 For listeners, you're doing a great job, but direct them to GCNlive.com.

02:52:14.000 We have two satellites.

02:52:15.000 We have one that is the Starz Encore satellite.

02:52:19.000 We lease a little sub-audio feed from them, which any station can get and put up.

02:52:25.000 And that's what most of the other Patriot networks do.

02:52:28.000 They lease them from folks like that.

02:52:29.000 And then there's only four radio satellites.

02:52:31.000 There's a Clear Channel, an ABC, a CBS, and I think Jones Broadcasting.

02:52:35.000 We lease a feed, because you have to lease one of these, and so those stations need to know about those fees.

02:52:42.000 They can go to GCNLive.com and get that.

02:52:44.000 We lease one of those from ABC's satellite, a premium digital feed.

02:52:50.000 I've got stations calling me asking me to have them pick the show up, and they need to go to GCNLive.com.

02:52:56.000 They can get the Starz Encore feed, it's a TV audio, but it's pretty good.

02:53:01.000 Or they can get the digital feed off of, it's called Star Guide, but the particular feed we lease from ABC.

02:53:09.000 Alright, let's go to Dale in Texas.

02:53:11.000 Dale, go ahead, you're on the ear.

02:53:13.000 Hey Alex, can you hear me?

02:53:15.000 Yes.

02:53:16.000 Hey, I got some stuff that just came back from Iraq, including a radiac detector that's worn on the wrist of a M1A1 Abrams tank commander's You know, he puts it on his wrist to monitor any radiation, and there is no indications at all of any radiation at all.

02:53:39.000 And it's been a year out there with all this quote DU, and I was just wondering how much money are you making out of playing on people's fears?

02:53:47.000 Okay, you know what?

02:53:48.000 Can we get you on tomorrow for a full hour?

02:53:51.000 No, no, no.

02:53:53.000 Put him on hold for a second.

02:53:54.000 Dale, I want to get your number, or I want to guarantee that you'll come on for a full hour tomorrow with me.

02:54:01.000 Okay?

02:54:03.000 He hung up.

02:54:04.000 He hung up.

02:54:05.000 See?

02:54:06.000 Dale, call back in right now.

02:54:07.000 1-800-259-9231.

02:54:07.000 I mean, please call back in, but I'm not going to let you run over me.

02:54:13.000 We need to spend plenty of time on this.

02:54:16.000 I don't know about the particular type of radiation detector you're talking about, but Depleted Uranium, the Army's own handbook, says it's deadly poison in the heavy metal alone, and the New York Daily News tested the blood of the troops and found that they had upwards of two rims of radiation.

02:54:35.000 Okay?

02:54:36.000 I've had Dr. Doug Rocky, who wrote the book for the Pentagon on it, who's sick and dying, many of his team have died, Now, the type of detectors that I know that some of the tanks have on them, I don't know about on their wrists, only pick up the type that you would have from, like, a nuclear spill.

02:54:53.000 I mean, really high radiation.

02:54:55.000 The kind of stuff, you know, that'll kill you if you're around it for a day or so.

02:54:59.000 DU is different, sir.

02:55:01.000 It's particle-ized, and it goes on.

02:55:03.000 So there's different types of radiation.

02:55:06.000 And I haven't made a film about DU, Though I should make a film about it and, as you said, make some money trying to warn people.

02:55:14.000 I feel good about making money warning people so I can hire more staff and warn more people.

02:55:20.000 So, I don't know why you hung up, Dale, but when somebody disagrees, I just love it.

02:55:25.000 So you think I'm a traitor because I'm exposing DU. 0.50

02:55:29.000 The troops were forced to take experimental anthrax shots with the government now admits made them very sick.

02:55:33.000 I mean, I don't understand, Dale, and I don't know why you hung up.

02:55:38.000 Did he ever call back?

02:55:40.000 Did he call back?

02:55:41.000 He didn't call back?

02:55:43.000 So, you know, DU is not nutritious.

02:55:47.000 You know, I challenge you.

02:55:49.000 If you call me at 11 o'clock tomorrow, I'll have you on for a full hour.

02:55:55.000 Okay?

02:55:56.000 I know I got guests coming up tomorrow, but we'll move them if need be.

02:56:00.000 Or you call in after this show any time you want, buddy.

02:56:03.000 You can come on for 30 minutes, an hour, whatever you want.

02:56:06.000 Because I'm ready to defend my ideas.

02:56:08.000 Alright, get Marshall Law the new film.

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02:56:29.000 Sir, the Pentagon admits DU is deadly dangerous.

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