Alex Jones Show - 20050620_Mon_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

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00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Welcome, my friends, to this live Monday edition of the Alex Jones broadcast. - It is the 20th day of June 2005.

00:00:43.000 We're going to be live for the next three hours.

00:00:48.000 Professor David Ray Griffin, expert on the 9-11 inside job, best-selling author, will be joining us coming up in the third hour to discuss Well, all the latest propaganda involved with the 9-11 cover-up that is unraveling at the seams, busting holes in their fraud is at record levels.

00:01:14.000 And the famous MI5 agent who blew the whistle On, well, government bombings in England, where they would carry out bombings, the evidence shows, to blame it on their political enemies.

00:01:28.000 Whistleblower David Shaler will be joining us, coming up in the second hour.

00:01:36.000 And, folks, he hasn't been doing a lot of interviews, in fact, really any that we can find, since he got out of prison for six months.

00:01:46.000 Not for doing anything wrong.

00:01:47.000 They admit that what he said was true about the government.

00:01:50.000 It's just that he's not supposed to violate his secrecy orders and tell the public when the British government is engaging in criminal activities.

00:01:59.000 And he's also going to talk about 9-11 with us today.

00:02:03.000 He's going to get into how the British government will plant fake news stories to then discredit people that are exposing them.

00:02:13.000 They do this over and over again, very similar to Karl Rove putting out fake documents in the midst of a scandal.

00:02:20.000 Everything about the scandal is true, but the particular document will be a fake.

00:02:25.000 The media will pick up on the fake, ignoring all the other real documents, and then disprove the fake, thus discrediting the whole lot.

00:02:34.000 They do this over and over again.

00:02:36.000 That's why I've been very suspicious, I've said this for the last two weeks, of the Downing Street Memo.

00:02:42.000 Last Thursday night on Coast to Coast AM, George Norrie asked me what I thought of the Downing Street Memo, and I said it was extremely suspect.

00:02:52.000 That was at the start of the special Fifth Hour that he did.

00:02:55.000 He said, what do you think of this?

00:02:56.000 And I said, well, we know from other documents and their own admissions that they lied about WMDs.

00:03:02.000 But notice the media doesn't focus in on, say, the Niger Uranium Yellow Cake document.

00:03:09.000 No, that gets ignored, but they're focusing on these Downing Street, now seven memos.

00:03:15.000 One or two of them will probably be fake, and now it looks like that may be the case.

00:03:22.000 Again, it's simple.

00:03:23.000 What they focus on is generally the fake thing they've planted.

00:03:27.000 They call this a honeypot.

00:03:30.000 It's really easy to figure out what they're up to once you know their game.

00:03:35.000 Now if you say there's memos that Bush had prior knowledge, or that Bush lied, or that Bush made stuff up, they'll go, no, no, no, that's a fake.

00:03:42.000 You can go, well, I have the document written by Dick Cheney.

00:03:45.000 Well, let's just ignore that.

00:03:49.000 The Army is going to be patrolling the streets in England to stop hooligans.

00:03:54.000 There's Marshall Law everywhere for absolutely no reason.

00:03:58.000 Headline, now happy hour ends with Marshall Law.

00:04:01.000 I heard Rush Limbaugh rebroadcast yesterday talking about how wonderful Gitmo is and how it's a vacation spot.

00:04:09.000 And now he's selling t-shirts, advertising it as a wonderful place.

00:04:13.000 So, Paul Watson and I got together and wrote a detailed article about it.

00:04:18.000 It's on PrisonPlanet.com and I appreciate Paul putting in the lion's share of that work.

00:04:23.000 It's an excellent little six-page piece of debunking that really exposes what we're dealing with.

00:04:31.000 I'll be covering that.

00:04:33.000 Asian stocks slipped on record oil price rise, now right at $60 on the barrel.

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00:04:43.000 There's just so much, so much coming up.

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00:07:57.000 Big Brother.

00:08:06.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:07.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:10.000 You want answers?

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00:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:21.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

00:08:39.000 Second segment, 8 minutes, 40 seconds into this first hour.

00:08:43.000 I love you.

00:08:44.000 We do have former MI5 agent who blew the whistle on government-sponsored terrorism coming on in the second hour, David Shaler.

00:08:54.000 Then in the third hour, Professor David Ray Griffin will also be joining us to talk about the latest developments concerning 9-11 and the ongoing establishment desperate cover-up that is going on.

00:09:08.000 Asian stocks slip on record oil rise.

00:09:11.000 Reuters reports that U.S.

00:09:13.000 oil hit a record above $59 a barrel on Monday, with traders fearing both strong demand and limited supply, pushing most Asian share markets lower, but prompting strong gains in resource shares.

00:09:28.000 That is energy shares.

00:09:30.000 Traders place the next psychological target for crude at $60 a barrel after a threat on Friday against Western consulates in OPEC member Nigeria jolted a market that already was worried about tight supplies.

00:09:44.000 The oil market is on a permanent test.

00:09:48.000 Can it keep up with the demand at any one period?

00:09:51.000 Said Commonwealth Bank of Australia Commodities Analyst Tobin Gorey.

00:09:55.000 Supply is tight and demand is still growing.

00:09:59.000 The euro tumbled against the dollar after European Union leaders failed to agree on a budget, deepening a crisis triggered after French and Dutch voters rejected a proposed EU constitution.

00:10:11.000 Japan's Nikkei share average fell 0.24% in morning trading, threatening a six-session winning streak.

00:10:20.000 MSCI's index of non-Japanese Asian share markets rose 0.1 percent, supported by Australia's S&P ASX 200, where resource shares jumped.

00:10:31.000 Hong Kong's Hang Seng index was the region's biggest gainer, up 0.27 percent by 0240 GMT time, while South Korea's Kosipi was the top loser off 0.8%.

00:10:47.000 The benchmark in Singapore was down by a fifth, while Taiwan edged up 0.1%.

00:10:53.000 Oil sales and scales, new peaks.

00:10:58.000 Eyes the $60 benchmark.

00:11:00.000 Again, they have soared to their all-time high right now, ladies and gentlemen.

00:11:06.000 5918 and right now hours into trading it looks like it may even go higher.

00:11:15.000 Just talking about the police state, Army could patrol UK streets, young Britons enjoying Drink-soaked knights out around Britain this summer could soon be in for a shock, a report said late on Saturday.

00:11:31.000 Troops patrolling the streets to keep order in an attempt to crack down on alcohol fuel disorder.

00:11:37.000 Dozens of towns around the country will draft in military police to help civilian officers arrest drunken yobs, the Sunday Telegraph reported. 1.00

00:11:48.000 Home Secretary Charles Clark has ordered the Initiative following an experiment at a town in Hertfordshire, Southern England, where military police were used to patrol the streets late at night.

00:12:04.000 And let's stop right there.

00:12:06.000 We have BBC reports from two years ago where Ukrainian troops in Scotland were pulling families out of cars on rural dirt roads.

00:12:19.000 And searching vehicles, families were crying, fathers got mad, violence was even threatened by some of the Scots, normally very peaceful people.

00:12:30.000 And then they said, oh, it's just a drill, we apologize.

00:12:33.000 London has four million plus cameras.

00:12:37.000 I say four million because that number is almost a year old.

00:12:41.000 They're always adding more.

00:12:43.000 They now face scan, they scan your movements, they listen to what you say.

00:12:48.000 Artificially intelligent computers listen for keywords.

00:12:53.000 Microphones are everywhere.

00:12:55.000 Same thing here in Austin.

00:12:56.000 Thousands of cameras, thousands of microphones, more going in routinely, federally funded everywhere.

00:13:02.000 But we look at England a few years, about three or four years ahead of us with all this police state mechanisms.

00:13:10.000 In most areas they're ahead of us, in some they're not.

00:13:13.000 Texas barely defeated, thanks to you, the listeners of this broadcast, because the news never picks it up, transponders in all of our inspection stickers that would be used to start taxing us via the radio readers that have already been put up on all the major roads.

00:13:30.000 They put those radio readers up five years ago, all over the state.

00:13:35.000 I first saw them eight years ago in Houston and San Antonio.

00:13:39.000 And they now admit exactly what they are.

00:13:41.000 I simply went online many years ago and searched out the companies selling them and found that those indeed were radio frequency readers and now, lo and behold, they're announcing what they've done.

00:13:55.000 But with the military, about six years ago, I was given video that we aired on the TV show at Fiesta.

00:14:06.000 A big party they have in downtown San Antonio every year.

00:14:10.000 I've never been, but I hear it's a lot of fun.

00:14:12.000 A big festivity.

00:14:14.000 And basically a weekend party where everybody goes wild.

00:14:19.000 All the restaurants and shops and the river walk.

00:14:23.000 And it showed.

00:14:24.000 We have a video.

00:14:26.000 Military police from the Air Force.

00:14:29.000 The Air Force being the strongest contingent of the four armed services, the four branches in San Antonio.

00:14:36.000 What are there, like five Air Force bases down there?

00:14:39.000 Military police from the Air Force were searching bags, were helping police, were arresting people.

00:14:47.000 We have video and photos in Alabama.

00:14:49.000 It's all in my new film, Martial Law, where everyone going into the towns, period, the children, the mothers, the fathers, are searched by Alabama Defense Forces, literal goon squads.

00:15:04.000 Out there with their armored vehicles and their guns, searching the vehicles.

00:15:11.000 We've had special forces training all over the country, urban warfare drills, where the Marines, the Army, and foreign troops train to take over our cities.

00:15:21.000 And now, all over the country, we're hearing that the military is out helping run DUI checkpoints, and quote, searching the vehicles.

00:15:28.000 I mean regular Army, regular Marines, but not on our border, not on your life.

00:15:35.000 Can't do that.

00:15:36.000 So that's all this really is.

00:15:39.000 Is training you to live under martial law.

00:15:41.000 Tony Blair has introduced legislation where the people will be arrested in mass and shipped to quote rest and relocation centers in their emergency relocation contingency plan.

00:15:56.000 All of this is about acclimating.

00:15:57.000 So whatever you're seeing in England is now being done here.

00:16:01.000 In fact about two months ago During Mardi Gras, we aired a local newscast that we were given.

00:16:08.000 This is in one of the weekly TV reports out of Galveston, Texas.

00:16:14.000 Where a regular Army and National Guard teamed up along with the State Guard To shove on citizens, to arrest people with police.

00:16:24.000 They arrest you if you don't have an inspection sticker for any reason, you're instantly arrested.

00:16:30.000 And it showed the troops yelling and screaming at the citizens, marching down the parade, bugging their eyes out of everyone.

00:16:36.000 Folks, this is total martial law.

00:16:39.000 Here's the London Telegraph on this today.

00:16:41.000 Now, happy hour ends with martial law.

00:16:44.000 Ministers have ordered the army onto the streets to join an all-out summer campaign against anti-social behavior and violent behavior by yobs. 1.00

00:16:54.000 That's a British term for basically drunken teenagers.

00:16:57.000 What about arresting them?

00:16:59.000 What about prosecuting them?

00:17:00.000 They could already do that.

00:17:01.000 They just choose.

00:17:02.000 See, this is all by design.

00:17:03.000 They choose to not enforce.

00:17:05.000 Then it becomes a crises.

00:17:08.000 Well, it's like two years ago, one of the most highly decorated RAF fighter pilots of World War II, and this guy had the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor.

00:17:18.000 I forget the name of it, the Royal Cross or something.

00:17:21.000 But it said in the reports that he was like one of the most ten decorated British RAF people, okay?

00:17:27.000 Opposites.

00:17:28.000 They broke it in his house, they beat him up, they broke it in his house over ten times.

00:17:32.000 He finally aimed a toy gun at them and said, get out of here.

00:17:36.000 They arrested him.

00:17:37.000 We're going to charge him.

00:17:38.000 He was facing several years in prison.

00:17:40.000 He apologized to the Queen and the government and committed suicide. 1.00

00:17:43.000 That's how pathetic and brainwashed he was. 1.00

00:17:48.000 And that's just one example. 0.99

00:17:49.000 You heard about the farmer gets Brutally robbed three times.

00:17:56.000 They're assaulting his wife.

00:17:57.000 He pulls out a hundred-year-old shotgun, passed down secretly by his family.

00:18:02.000 Shotgun's one of them.

00:18:04.000 And the guy he injures sues him and wins, and he got like 40 years in prison.

00:18:09.000 He's still in prison!

00:18:11.000 So, I see these reports every day out of England, by the way.

00:18:15.000 Every day we post stuff along these lines.

00:18:18.000 So, this is the model.

00:18:20.000 I'm not just picking a few cases here.

00:18:22.000 You remember the famous Beatle?

00:18:24.000 He just died of cancer last year. 0.99

00:18:26.000 Well, while he was under cancer treatment three years ago, the guy breaks in, is raping his wife, trying to stab her.

00:18:35.000 He fights back, she breaks a light over the guy's head, and there were discussions of charging her for hitting him over the head as he's stabbing the Beatle.

00:18:51.000 Was it Harrison?

00:18:53.000 So... Yeah, it was George Harrison.

00:18:56.000 I don't really follow music much.

00:18:57.000 I forget the name.

00:18:58.000 It was George Harrison.

00:18:59.000 So, this is the type of stuff we deal with.

00:19:02.000 Just type in, man arrested for stabbing a sailor.

00:19:05.000 You'll get hundreds of reports.

00:19:06.000 People in their homes, as they're being stabbed themselves, grab the knife away and stab, and are charged!

00:19:14.000 You're supposed to lay there like a jellyfish and take it!

00:19:17.000 People hit criminals over the head with pokers, out of their fireplaces, jail time.

00:19:24.000 Four million cameras.

00:19:27.000 And so, Bedlam breaks out, and when Bedlam breaks out, oh, we'll put the troops on the streets.

00:19:34.000 Oh, you throw a piece of gum on the street, we're going to give you six months in jail.

00:19:39.000 On and on and on and on.

00:19:41.000 Oh! 0.60

00:19:41.000 Two and three year olds! 0.60

00:19:42.000 Toddlers!

00:19:44.000 If they show aggressive behavior, we'll criminally enroll you in probation.

00:19:48.000 That was last week.

00:19:50.000 See?

00:19:51.000 This was the plan.

00:19:52.000 Get us all into the system.

00:19:54.000 Masses of news.

00:19:55.000 Masses of information.

00:19:57.000 Believe me, we haven't hit the tip of the iceberg.

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00:24:17.000 A giant prison is being built for all of us.

00:24:20.000 Illegitimate criminal groups have seized control of our western governments, are openly setting up a police state, and they're telling us it's patriotic to not ask questions and to do whatever they say, and to go along with whatever wars they push.

00:24:36.000 And to let them take our liberties.

00:24:38.000 No!

00:24:38.000 That is criminal, that is treasonous, that is treacherous, that is seditious.

00:24:44.000 It is our right, it is our duty to resist it with every fiber of our beings.

00:24:48.000 America isn't about being in a police state and worshipping government.

00:24:53.000 America is about being a free country.

00:24:56.000 And look around you at all the regulations, the controls, the manipulations of our lives.

00:25:02.000 This isn't what our country is supposed to be.

00:25:06.000 Look at the news I've got.

00:25:07.000 The U.S.

00:25:08.000 war with Iran has already begun.

00:25:10.000 You know, I pointed this out a year ago because our government's been inserting Special Forces troops all over Iran.

00:25:17.000 The troops are already there.

00:25:18.000 And Scott Ritter, who's been proven completely accurate, has now been proven even more accurate.

00:25:24.000 He's put out a report on this.

00:25:27.000 Also, a classic sting operation enacted as Downing Street memos called possible hoaxes.

00:25:33.000 Are Downing Street memos authentic or elaborate hoaxes?

00:25:37.000 Blogs question credibility? 1.00

00:25:38.000 A reporter who typed copies destroyed originals to protect those he claimed were his sources.

00:25:45.000 Now the government admits they're accurate, but then their discussions are one of the memos, not the originals.

00:25:53.000 And again, this discredits then the entire discussion.

00:25:58.000 And they do this over and over again.

00:25:59.000 It's like in the middle of the torture Photos of Abu Ghraib coming out, these photos of Iraqis being urinated on by British troops were released, and then it turned out it was the British government that released those fakes.

00:26:14.000 Because there were all these other real photos, they wanted to get out ahead of the story with fakes, then a week later discredit the fakes.

00:26:23.000 And they always get caught doing this, but it's in the back of the paper and the average person thinks, oh, they're all fakes then.

00:26:30.000 It's amazing.

00:26:32.000 This has all the hallmarks of a sting operation, Paul Watson wrote.

00:26:36.000 The Murdoch papers released the Downing Street Memo story worldwide despite the fact the British government has already admitted that the information in the documents is true and many more which essentially said the same thing were later released.

00:26:48.000 This one document was photocopied allowing the mainstream media Raise questions about its authenticity and kill the story.

00:26:55.000 Forget the fact that Bush told his own biographer that he wanted to invade Iraq and be a war president back in 99.

00:27:01.000 That's his own biographer.

00:27:03.000 Forget the 98 and 2000 PMAC documents which called for removing Hussein as a means of getting a foothold in the Middle East.

00:27:11.000 This one memo was a photocopy.

00:27:13.000 That means Bush never planned to invade Iraq all along and never lied about WMD to justify it. 0.86

00:27:19.000 He was just an unfortunate victim of misguided intelligence.

00:27:23.000 Now the intense activist pressure to get the mainstream media to cover the Downing Street memo is thrown back in their face and alternative research is discredited while the establishment gets another pat on the back.

00:27:34.000 It's amazing how they keep employing the same tactic and people keep falling for it.

00:27:39.000 The Pentagon admits Multiple cases of Koran abuse in its own reports, but in this one instance Newsweek's source may have been wrong when he said that they flushed it down the toilet when they only threw it in the toilet and urinated on it.

00:27:53.000 This means that any allegations of Koran abuse are null and void.

00:27:57.000 This means that Guantanamo Bay really is a nice place to stay, a holiday home according to Rush Limbaugh.

00:28:03.000 The Bush AWOL story was known and admitted for years, but the CBS documents related to the one specific time period of Bush's military service may be forgeries!

00:28:12.000 That means the whole story collapses and Bush never went AWOL!

00:28:16.000 What's next?

00:28:17.000 An investigation by the History Channel includes that one thousand of thousands of pieces of evidence of gladio used to prove the world was round is slightly inaccurate.

00:28:32.000 I misread that.

00:28:33.000 It's What's Next?

00:28:34.000 An investigation by the History Channel concludes that one of the thousands of pieces of evidence used by Galileo used to prove the world was round is slightly inaccurate.

00:28:44.000 Therefore, any further claims as to the world being round are now pure conspiracy theory.

00:28:49.000 Good job, Paul!

00:28:50.000 Man, I tell you, in about eight paragraphs, you destroyed them.

00:28:55.000 Well done!

00:28:57.000 Oh, and I've got a bunch more of these here.

00:29:00.000 I tell you, we're gonna...

00:29:02.000 We're to start.

00:29:03.000 UK helped train Massacre Army in Uzbekistan.

00:29:07.000 That's out of the Scotsman.

00:29:10.000 L.A.

00:29:11.000 lost, excuse me, Louisiana Town.

00:29:13.000 This is what happens when I try to speed up here.

00:29:15.000 I start bumbling.

00:29:16.000 So I'm going to slow down.

00:29:17.000 I just want to get to your calls, but we'll cover the news first, and we'll get to them.

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00:29:23.000 So I'm going to slow down.

00:29:26.000 We're going to cover the news, then go to your calls.

00:29:28.000 Louisiana Town stunned by church

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00:32:57.000 I'm going to plow through some more of this news and decipher some of the globalist propaganda, and we'll go to some of your calls on this Live Monday edition, 1-800-259-9231. -

00:33:27.000 Big guest MI5, that's British Internal and CIA agent will be joining us on government terrorism, 9-11, bombings in England, you name it.

00:33:42.000 Then, Professor David Ray Griffin coming up in the third hour, so just a jam-packed broadcast today.

00:33:48.000 Before I get back into the news, though, last week, this week's showing of Martial Law at the Alamo Draft House on South Lamar was sold out.

00:34:01.000 It was basically already sold out last Tuesday, or nine days before we were even going to show it.

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00:38:27.000 Alright.

00:38:30.000 Let's get into the news.

00:38:32.000 I'll tell you what.

00:38:33.000 Let's just take a few calls right now, and then I'll go back into the news.

00:38:37.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Robert in Denver, Colorado.

00:38:40.000 Robert, go ahead.

00:38:41.000 Good morning, Aaron.

00:38:41.000 Thanks for taking my call.

00:38:43.000 I appreciate that.

00:38:45.000 Well, for that, I recorded the 9-1-1 roundtable Thursday on my hard drive.

00:38:51.000 I won't listen to about half of it, but the half I did listen to was excellent.

00:38:55.000 You did a great job.

00:38:56.000 By the way, I commend you for not the level of Peter Lance when he started attacking, which I thought was just ridiculous.

00:39:04.000 I thought it was interesting though, even though Mike disagreed with you, he was at least polite.

00:39:08.000 that you didn't go there.

00:39:09.000 You just spoke your piece and left there at that.

00:39:10.000 So thanks for being a professional.

00:39:12.000 Appreciate that.

00:39:13.000 And it was a great relationship.

00:39:16.000 I thought it was interesting, though, even though that Mike disagreed with you, he was at least polite.

00:39:20.000 He didn't call you names.

00:39:21.000 So that was cool.

00:39:23.000 Yeah, you're talking about the most highly anticipated coast-to-coast program ever.

00:39:29.000 They hyped it for like three or four months, and they did have record listeners, and tens of millions of people per hour hearing the truth.

00:39:39.000 And yeah, even the two guys I was debating, they really couldn't argue with me.

00:39:43.000 Well, all Peter could do was call your name, but Mike was cool.

00:39:46.000 He didn't agree with you, but he at least was a professional.

00:39:50.000 That's good.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, I mean, he knew the minute he name-called, he'd lose the debate.

00:39:54.000 Yeah.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:55.000 So, thanks again for being professional.

00:39:59.000 I read an article by a guy named John Newby on News News that sends me daily emails and such.

00:40:09.000 And his latest article was really interesting.

00:40:11.000 In the sense that Social Security is unconstitutional.

00:40:14.000 Would you agree with that?

00:40:17.000 It is unconstitutional, and that's a whole other discussion.

00:40:22.000 You know, there's complex reasons why it's unconstitutional, but it's also a lot of really simple reasons why it's unconstitutional.

00:40:30.000 Why does he say it's unconstitutional?

00:40:32.000 You know, I don't remember off the top of my head.

00:40:35.000 He didn't really get into that too much, but he just crunched some numbers and said If you put in that number of dollars at a simple 5% percentage rate, after about, you know, 30-40 years or so, you should walk away with well over a million dollars, but clearly that doesn't happen with anyone who's getting Social Security.

00:40:52.000 Conservatively, several million, thanks for the call.

00:40:56.000 Over a million dollars in 30 years, with about a 3.5%.

00:41:00.000 Now the problem is, in 30 years, a million dollars will probably be like $100,000.

00:41:08.000 You know, that's another way the globalists steal from us is this inflation.

00:41:12.000 And they tell you there's no inflation?

00:41:14.000 Or that we have really low inflation?

00:41:17.000 Folks, I bought a Mustang in high school.

00:41:21.000 Okay?

00:41:22.000 Off of money that I earned from jobs.

00:41:25.000 And that thing was about... Oh, I guess about $15,000.

00:41:30.000 And that was only about 15 years ago.

00:41:33.000 That was only about 15 years ago.

00:41:36.000 I'm only 31 years old.

00:41:39.000 Now a similar Mustang is about $30,000 or more today.

00:41:46.000 A Chevy Silverado that was $12,000 15 years ago is like $25,000.

00:41:55.000 Look at the cost of education, look at the cost of oil, the cost of gasoline, look at your power bill, look at your phone bill, look at your cable bill, look at the price of everything!

00:42:08.000 I remember when a gallon of milk was about a third of what it is now.

00:42:11.000 So, folks, they can tell you all day there's no inflation.

00:42:17.000 It's poppycock.

00:42:18.000 And, look, the government being in the business of a supplementary retirement or pension, that's socialism.

00:42:30.000 Now, I'm not saying even get rid of Social Security, let's be clear.

00:42:34.000 It's like having a non-malignant tumor.

00:42:40.000 That is a tumor that isn't growing very fast, or a tumor that isn't going to metastasize and launch other cancer blobs all over the body.

00:42:52.000 You know, balls of cells.

00:42:55.000 But still, it's attached to your lungs, it's attached to your heart, it's making you have heart problems because it's simply grown into some of your nerve endings.

00:43:07.000 The doctors look at it and tell you, we really can't cut this thing out.

00:43:12.000 We're so dependent.

00:43:14.000 So many people are so wedded to it, that you see, now they've got us.

00:43:20.000 And so now, it's, oh, let's privatize, which actually brings you deeper down the slippery slope, because they're going to run a bunch of different scams with that.

00:43:31.000 It isn't true privatization.

00:43:33.000 Now, if they just said, period,

00:43:36.000 That uh... and I looked at the different plans but let's say they said we're going to take half the money of young people and they can invest it anywhere they want as long as it's a quote you know uh... not somebody selling mine shafts or miracle uh... magic health products then they would still get almost a million dollars and then take the other half their money and put it in for the people that are currently on social security the problem is

00:44:05.000 Social Security payments are so much larger compared to what people have paid in, plus you have the problem with what they say doesn't exist, inflation, that it wouldn't even be near the amount to pay people what they're currently getting, and people are living on that.

00:44:22.000 So they got us, folks.

00:44:23.000 They got us in socialism, and it's just going to get deeper and deeper.

00:44:28.000 And who are the authors of all of this socialism?

00:44:33.000 Who penned it?

00:44:35.000 The big corporations.

00:44:37.000 They've always wanted a big government that they can use to control the population.

00:44:42.000 And the left won't tell you that, and neither will the conservatives, the Rush Limbaugh's of the world, who won't talk about how Bush is for gun control, who won't talk about how Bush is for open borders, who won't talk about how Bush appoints all these pro-abortion judges, who won't talk about Bush signing onto UNESCO.

00:44:57.000 No, he'll just say you're a communist if you're against Bush. 0.95

00:45:00.000 And the poor, pathetic left is against Bush for all the wrong reasons. 0.98

00:45:07.000 And talk about how the evil Matt Drudge and Limbaugh are attacking Clinton. 0.99

00:45:13.000 Hillary hangs out with Rupert Murdoch.

00:45:16.000 They got an alliance going.

00:45:18.000 Clinton vacations on a monthly basis with the Bushes.

00:45:21.000 Barbara now calls him their son.

00:45:24.000 Clinton calls them his parents.

00:45:26.000 I told you they were narcotics traffickers together in the 1980s when he was governor over MENA.

00:45:31.000 I've interviewed the CIA agents who were there unloading the cocaine.

00:45:39.000 It looked like a major metropolitan airport or something.

00:45:42.000 So many aircraft were coming in.

00:45:46.000 Jets and drop driven C-130s.

00:45:50.000 I just don't know what to say anymore.

00:45:54.000 It's a WWF wrestling match.

00:45:56.000 It's totally fake.

00:46:01.000 Alright, let's get into some other news here.

00:46:06.000 After I knock the microphone off the I am really fired up.

00:46:12.000 I got lots of sleep this weekend.

00:46:14.000 Coming off getting no sleep last Thursday.

00:46:18.000 Look at this article.

00:46:21.000 I could spend all day on this.

00:46:23.000 There was another article out of Eastern Europe where they grabbed this nun who had just become a nun six months ago and they crucified her and killed her.

00:46:33.000 Orthodox Church.

00:46:36.000 And the guy looks like Charlie Manson, the priest that killed her.

00:46:41.000 He hadn't even been arrested yet.

00:46:45.000 And they didn't even give her the proper funeral, saying she was a witch.

00:46:51.000 And the nuns went along with killing her. 0.96

00:46:53.000 And that just shows the mind control. 0.99

00:46:57.000 It's normally the devil worshippers are normally the people posing as the preachers. 0.75

00:47:02.000 Posing as the conservative Christian president.

00:47:06.000 But people just can't believe it because of the trappings of goodness.

00:47:13.000 And that's why I'm going to cover this article now on Fox News.

00:47:15.000 It's actually the Associated Press posted on Fox News.

00:47:20.000 Louisiana towns stunned by church child sex ring.

00:47:25.000 From his storefront next door, Donald Moore got an up-close look at the strange changes that went on at the once-bustling Hosanna Church.

00:47:33.000 For one thing, the congregation had dwindled to a handful of reclusive members who chased away visitors.

00:47:41.000 For another, the windows were painted white so no one could see in, and just before it closed its doors, for good a couple years ago, eight dump trucks came in and spread dirt over the church's back lot.

00:47:53.000 Last month, these suspicions played out in the way almost no one in this southeastern Louisiana town of 5,000 could have imagined.

00:48:02.000 Nine people, including the pastor, his wife, and a sheriff's deputy, were accused of engaging in cult-like sexual activity with children and animals inside the hall of worship.

00:48:14.000 Eight now face child rape charges that could bring the death penalty.

00:48:19.000 You can't believe something like this was going on right under your own feet.

00:48:23.000 Church members have admitted it.

00:48:24.000 They were sacrificing.

00:48:25.000 There's a pentagram inside the church.

00:48:28.000 Authorities said witnesses have described the use of robes, pentagrams on the church floor.

00:48:33.000 Well, why not make these people president then?

00:48:35.000 Bush goes to a place where they do that.

00:48:37.000 I shot video of it.

00:48:39.000 Skull and Bones does that.

00:48:40.000 I mean, it's Christian.

00:48:41.000 It's of the Lord.

00:48:43.000 Bush is anointed.

00:48:44.000 Authorities said witnesses have described the use of robes, pentagrams on the church floor, sex with a dog, and the sacrifice of cats.

00:48:51.000 The alleged victims are suspected to number up to two dozen, include children ranging from infants to young teens, some of them the offspring of those accused.

00:49:02.000 I've been a prosecutor In some rape cases and child molestation cases, but I've never heard of a group accused of doing anything like this said, uh, the Tanghemia I can't pronounce this.

00:49:16.000 Parish Sheriff Daniel Edwards, a former state prosecutor.

00:49:20.000 Investigators believe the abuse case in 99 and continued until the church closed in 03, but it was not until a woman called from Ohio in April saying she had fled to protect her child.

00:49:30.000 The police claim they had even an inkling of what had happened.

00:49:35.000 About the same time, the church pastor, 45-year-old Louis Lampanica, Uh, walked into the neighboring Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office, sat down, and according to investigators, named names of detailed activities inside the church.

00:49:50.000 Lam Monica was arrested, followed by eight other authorities, said, uh, and described as central members of the ring.

00:49:58.000 All but one are being held without bond.

00:50:00.000 Even the tipster from Ohio, Nicole Burnrad, Was arrested on rape charges along with her ex-husband.

00:50:11.000 So you know it's bad when they're even arresting the tipster.

00:50:15.000 And I can't read any more, folks.

00:50:16.000 There's two more pages of this.

00:50:19.000 And I'm not going to read what they allegedly did.

00:50:24.000 But, uh, sounds like something out of Eyes Wide Shut.

00:50:29.000 But that's, I mean, that's your Christian conservative leaders, folks, you know.

00:50:33.000 Why it's a church?

00:50:34.000 They couldn't be doing anything wrong there.

00:50:37.000 It was once a church with over a thousand members.

00:50:40.000 It was a huge church, but they kicked everybody out.

00:50:42.000 The preacher did, so he could worship Lucifer.

00:50:47.000 Lucifer.

00:50:49.000 Even if you don't believe in the devil, you're an atheist out there, there are people that do believe in it. 0.96

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00:50:56.000 And they've got a vaccine they want to give you, because they care about you.

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00:53:59.000 Coming up right when we start this next shower, we're going to have David Shaler, member of MI5, former member of MI5, with just unbelievable revelations member of MI5, former member of MI5, with just unbelievable revelations on internal terrorism by the government in Terrorism obviously involved with the government in 9-11.

00:54:24.000 This is going to be a major news making interview and we're honored to have him coming up.

00:54:28.000 I know I said I'd take calls.

00:54:30.000 I took about 50 last Friday, but then I have to ask all the people that are holding loaded phone lines to just stay with us.

00:54:36.000 We'll get to you in the next hour, but I've got to cover this next piece of news here.

00:54:40.000 I've just got to cover it.

00:54:42.000 I called Paul Watson yesterday, sent him some notes, asked him to write an article about this, and he outdid my greatest expectations of him.

00:54:49.000 It's on PrisonPlanet.com.

00:54:52.000 Rush Limbaugh plumbs new depths of perversion, releases Gitmo t-shirt line, oxy-cotton quaffing bush-worshipping torture apologist Rush Limbaugh has plumbed a new low in both sickness and inaccuracy.

00:55:06.000 Limbaugh has been hawking a new line of caps, t-shirts, mugs that depict the Guantanamo Bay detention camp in Cuba as a holiday resort.

00:55:13.000 The t-shirt above reads, your tropical retreat from the stress of Jihad. 0.95

00:55:18.000 Another reads, I got my free Quran and free prayer rug at Gitmo.

00:55:22.000 And another, my moolah and I went to Club Gitmo and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.

00:55:28.000 Limbaugh has been promoting the products on his radio show in an attempt to bolster the Bush administration's recent assertions that Camp X-Ray really is a nice place to stay.

00:55:38.000 In the face of its critics calling for the camp's closure.

00:55:42.000 Recall that this is the same Rush Limbaugh who last year said, and we have that clip on the website, that Abu Ghraib prison guards were just having a good time and blowing off some steam.

00:55:52.000 That official U.S.

00:55:53.000 Army reported to Abu Ghraib list activities that Limbaugh defines as harmless fun, they include breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees, sodomizing detainees with chemical lights, I can't read some of this.

00:56:09.000 Positioning a naked detainee.

00:56:10.000 It goes on. 1.00

00:56:11.000 Raping children. 1.00

00:56:12.000 A male guard having sex with a female detainee. 1.00

00:56:15.000 Rape. 1.00

00:56:16.000 Beating detainees to death. 0.99

00:56:19.000 This is what's admitted by the way.

00:56:20.000 People have been convicted of this.

00:56:22.000 All of the above are great ways to relax according to Rush Limbaugh.

00:56:25.000 Raping children and beating people to death is a harmless fraternity fun. 0.97

00:56:30.000 We know from every investigation, government disclosure, prisoner testimony and whistleblower testimony that exactly the same, even worse, procedures are taking place at Guantanamo Bay.

00:56:40.000 The Abu Ghraib torture policy was the same one being used previously at Gitmo.

00:56:44.000 We have a link to that.

00:56:45.000 The policy was called Copper Green and it was masterminded by Donald Rumsfeld.

00:56:49.000 Does it sound like a summer holiday camp to you?

00:56:53.000 Numerous different detainees have upon their releases confirmed that torture is taking place And that people are routinely beaten to death.

00:57:01.000 Been a whole bunch of deaths at Gitmo. 0.98

00:57:03.000 Oh, but of course those dirty terrorists would say that they hate America. 0.99

00:57:07.000 They're trained allies of Rumsfeld. 0.99

00:57:08.000 The truth is that, as the L.A.

00:57:10.000 Times reported, no leaders of Al-Qaeda were identified as being at Guantanamo.

00:57:15.000 That's because the U.S. 0.82

00:57:16.000 government ordered all poor cavemen who were shoved onto the front lines by the Taliban to be arrested.

00:57:22.000 Even paid bounties for innocent people to be arrested.

00:57:24.000 That was mainstream news two weeks ago.

00:57:26.000 While they safely evacuated 8,000 Taliban and Al-Qaeda cream by accident, of course, from Kunduz in Afghanistan.

00:57:35.000 It's the same in Iraq, where 70-90% are arrested by mistake.

00:57:39.000 We have a link to the Army Report.

00:57:41.000 And others for trivial things such as not presenting their papers at checkpoints, over freedom, or selling alcohol without a license.

00:57:51.000 The Guantanamo prisoners were described by the London Guardian as Pakistani and Afghan farmers, shoemakers and taxi drivers who were forced to fight for the Taliban.

00:57:59.000 Most of those people are Stone Age cave dwellers who can't even find America on a map.

00:58:04.000 Jamal Al-Harith related how he suffered a brutal attack by U.S.

00:58:08.000 military police because he refused to have a mystery injection.

00:58:12.000 During the beating, the officers barked in Automated unison.

00:58:16.000 Comply, comply, comply.

00:58:17.000 Do not resist, do not resist. 1.00

00:58:19.000 Other detainees have gone public and said that they were being raped by menstruating prostitutes. 1.00

00:58:24.000 That's admitted. 0.89

00:58:25.000 Suicide attempts are common and after it was admitted by the Pentagon that there were five and three weeks, the news media mysteriously shut up and stopped talking about it.

00:58:35.000 The article goes on and on.

00:58:36.000 We'll hopefully get to it later.

00:58:37.000 We'll be right back.

00:58:38.000 Stay with us.

00:58:41.000 If you would like a copy of this show, come to GCNlive.com and reserve it today.

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00:58:46.000 Big Brother.

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00:58:48.000 Big Brother. Mainstream media.

00:58:59.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:03.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:16.000 Alright, 25 seconds into the second hour of worldwide transmission against tyranny.

00:59:21.000 It's not about left or right, it's about right and wrong.

00:59:24.000 Understanding who stands to gain from terrorism.

00:59:27.000 Looking at the police state grid being built around us.

00:59:32.000 I briefly, in the last hour, got into Rush Limbaugh.

00:59:34.000 I heard him yesterday saying how wonderful Gitmo is, how it's a vacation place.

00:59:38.000 So we just posted all the admissions of torture and everything else on PrisonPlanet.com.

00:59:45.000 I hope you'll get this article and get it out to everybody.

00:59:49.000 Coming up in the next hour, Professor David Ray Griffin will be joining us to talk about the latest cover-ups on 9-11, and to talk about the great debate we had, myself and of course him, up against a few individuals on Coast to Coast AM last Thursday into Friday morning.

01:00:06.000 So that's coming up in the third hour.

01:00:08.000 But for this hour, and we will open the phones up in about 30 minutes, I am extremely honored to be joined by a gentleman who went to jail for telling the truth.

01:00:19.000 Not for putting out this info.

01:00:21.000 They admit his information was totally accurate.

01:00:24.000 That's all admitted.

01:00:25.000 But for, you know, being under national security and violating that, which he really didn't even do.

01:00:30.000 Whistleblower David Shaler.

01:00:32.000 Former MI5 officer.

01:00:34.000 He burst upon the public consciousness in August of 97 with articles in the mail on Sunday about mismanagement and misdeeds at his former employers.

01:00:44.000 And it gets into basically the British government being behind terror bombings.

01:00:49.000 And so much more.

01:00:51.000 And he can also speak about them planning false evidence to then create false leads to then discredit news stories later.

01:00:58.000 Just a whole host of issues.

01:01:01.000 And again, his bio is four pages long.

01:01:05.000 I think it's better to just have Mr. Shaler tell us about himself.

01:01:10.000 Thank you for joining us, my friend.

01:01:14.000 It's good to have you, sir.

01:01:16.000 Well, thank you very much, and thank you very much for that introduction.

01:01:18.000 You bet.

01:01:19.000 Are you on your cell phone?

01:01:21.000 I am, yeah.

01:01:21.000 I'm not at home at the moment.

01:01:23.000 Okay, well that's fine, just as long as it's got an hour of power.

01:01:26.000 Yeah, don't worry, it has, yeah.

01:01:27.000 Well, fantastic.

01:01:28.000 If it cuts out, we'll call you right back.

01:01:30.000 Tell us about yourself.

01:01:32.000 Well, I joined MI5 in very peculiar circumstances, because I actually was previously a journalist and a protester, but in the early 1990s there was a recession and no jobs in journalism.

01:01:43.000 But I came to apply for an ad that looked like a job in journalism.

01:01:46.000 It didn't say it was MI5, it said Godot isn't coming after a play by Samuel Beckett.

01:01:52.000 The job it described sounded like a job in journalism about being up with current affairs and being able to write and analyse information.

01:01:57.000 So I sent off my CV and during the first interview they wouldn't tell me what the job was.

01:02:01.000 During the second interview, to start with, they wouldn't tell me what the job was and then halfway through It became apparent it was MI5.

01:02:08.000 But I must be the most unlikely person ever to have worked for the British Intelligence Services, because I don't come from the kind of background like James Bond or George Smiley.

01:02:16.000 I'm not public school.

01:02:17.000 I didn't go to Oxford or Cambridge Universities, which is normally the profile of people who work there.

01:02:23.000 And I joined ready to stop terrorism.

01:02:25.000 I mean, obviously, when I did join, there was an IRA campaign going on in Britain.

01:02:29.000 But one of the first things I found was that the services couldn't actually stop terrorism, even when they were in possession of information.

01:02:37.000 Well, we're going to break here in a moment and come back and have a long segment and plenty of time to talk, but just in a thumbnail sketch, describe your six years with MI5.

01:02:48.000 Well, it was two lots of things.

01:02:51.000 They couldn't actually stop terrorist attacks when they were possessed with reliable information, but obviously more worryingly, and most worryingly, was I was briefed on an operation carried out by MI6 using a Libyan Within Libya, a member of Libyan military intelligence to try and assassinate Colonel Gaddafi.

01:03:08.000 But the member of Libyan intelligence was an associate of Osama Bin Laden.

01:03:13.000 And MI6 paid tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money to him to try and assassinate Gaddafi.

01:03:20.000 That operation failed and innocent people died.

01:03:22.000 But the worrying implications of that operation were, of course, if this man had taken power, In Libya we've had an associate of Bin Laden in power in a country which is, of course, oil rich.

01:03:34.000 I want to go over that.

01:03:35.000 I want to go over IRA bombings that were really orchestrated by the British government.

01:03:40.000 I want to go over your take on 9-11.

01:03:43.000 And I want to get into the Princess Diana murder.

01:03:46.000 On the other side of this quick break with former MI5 officer David Shaler.

01:03:50.000 Stay with us.

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01:07:03.000 Right after 9-11, an Air Force colonel in San Francisco went public detailing inside knowledge and also the publicly available an Air Force colonel in San Francisco went public detailing inside knowledge and also the publicly available facts that showed a government inside job concerning September 11th, this Take over.

01:07:32.000 Thank you.

01:07:34.000 We've had Bob Dole's former Chief of Staff on.

01:07:38.000 Bob Dole's former Chief of Staff Stanley Hilton, who sued Bush twice and always gets thrown out for government involvement in 9-11, and he's represented hundreds of the victim's family members.

01:07:51.000 We've got Michael Meacher, who was number three in the Blair government, writing the headline, The War on Terror is Bogus, and saying if the government didn't do it, they certainly had total prior knowledge and helped it along.

01:08:02.000 We have Andres Von Bulow, German Defense Minister, Minister of Technology going public on this broadcast.

01:08:09.000 Another former Minister of Defense has also gone public.

01:08:13.000 From Germany.

01:08:15.000 We've seen George Galloway on this broadcast when I brought up government involvement in 9-11.

01:08:19.000 When I said, couldn't they carry out more terror to attack Iran? 1.00

01:08:23.000 He said, absolutely, that's a real threat.

01:08:26.000 We've got, of course, Mr. Reynolds.

01:08:30.000 Going public last week, former Chief Economist, Department of Labor, saying all the evidence points towards an inside job.

01:08:37.000 Prominent professors, like David Ray Griffin.

01:08:39.000 I can't list all of them, ladies and gentlemen.

01:08:42.000 General Boonton K. Parton has exposed government involvement in Oklahoma City.

01:08:48.000 The truth is coming out.

01:08:50.000 FBI agents, David Shippers, all these people.

01:08:52.000 Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch.

01:08:55.000 But the gentleman we've got on now was ordered by the British government, the Blair government, under threat of arrest.

01:09:01.000 He's already spent six months in prison for this before.

01:09:05.000 To keep his mouth shut about his in-depth knowledge of the British government being behind bombings in England as a pretext for control.

01:09:14.000 So we are joined by former MI5 agent David Shaler.

01:09:19.000 Who, again, is very busy.

01:09:21.000 He's in meetings in and out all day.

01:09:22.000 He is joining us from a park.

01:09:24.000 in downtown London, via cell phone, and he's got to duck into another meeting in 50 minutes, so we're honored to have him.

01:09:31.000 David, some stations don't carry that first five-minute segment, so recap who you are, how you got involved, how you got hired by MI5, just an example of how they buy up the media.

01:09:41.000 Here's another example of them unknowingly, of Mr. Shaler unknowingly basically being part of all this.

01:09:49.000 The CIA here controls most of the mainstream media.

01:09:52.000 But let's get into that and then go through how you first learned of who stood to gain from terrorism.

01:09:58.000 Bring us through to September 11th.

01:10:00.000 But on the record, first off, explain to people that there's a national order telling you to shut your mouth.

01:10:07.000 Go ahead.

01:10:08.000 That's right, yeah, they've got a court order against me which prevents me from saying anything about my time in the services.

01:10:13.000 Now technically, obviously, by doing this interview with you I am breaking the law, But it's a kind of game of cat and mouse.

01:10:19.000 They won't go after me for this because it is already public domain.

01:10:22.000 These are things I've said before.

01:10:23.000 But technically, that shouldn't stop them.

01:10:25.000 And in the past, of course, I've been put in prison twice.

01:10:28.000 I went to prison once in France when they tried to extradite me.

01:10:31.000 And to give you an idea of what this was like, I was at the time trying to get Tony Blair to investigate my evidence about MI6 funding Al-Qaeda in 1996 to assassinate Colonel Gaddafi.

01:10:44.000 And of course, because I was trying to approach Tony Blair to do this, The British Intelligence Services didn't want that, so they had me arrested in France and thrown in prison.

01:10:52.000 Of course, that story did emerge, but only because the New York Times was brave enough to publish it.

01:10:57.000 And once it was published in the New York Times, the British press could actually publish.

01:11:01.000 But of course, I wasn't in a position to be able to give my evidence because I was locked up.

01:11:05.000 And that is the way they've played this game all the way across.

01:11:07.000 They've tried to lock me up, they've tried to take people to court.

01:11:11.000 I actually blew the whistle as well about one of the biggest bombs ever to have gone off, the Bishopsgate bomb in London.

01:11:17.000 And again, the incompetence of MI5 meant that they didn't stop that, even though they had prior warning of the attack.

01:11:24.000 And would you believe the editor of the magazine who published my article was also convicted under this court order, basically.

01:11:33.000 So they're using any method they can to try and shut me up.

01:11:36.000 Now I think, in retrospect, the MI6 funding of Al-Qaeda to try and get rid of Gaddafi was the attempt to create an Al-Qaeda state in North Africa.

01:11:45.000 So, which would be run by Associates of Osama Bin Laden.

01:11:48.000 And of course, once we had that situation, it would be an excuse for the UK and the US to invade, as they did in subsequent years in Iraq.

01:11:56.000 I believe that was the start of the kind of effort to the New World Order to change the Arab world. 1.00

01:12:01.000 So, back in 1991, you get into MI5, and you're there working for them.

01:12:09.000 When did you first start to get inklings of what was really going on?

01:12:14.000 Well, I worked in the section that dealt with communists and Trotskyists and so on, which is a bit of a hangover from the Cold War.

01:12:21.000 I mean, bearing in mind the Cold War by that time had been finished for two years, these sections still existed.

01:12:26.000 And I saw how they manipulated political protest groups, how they penetrated legitimate groups like the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and other mainstream political groups.

01:12:38.000 Well, they're trying to radicalize and get them to provocateur?

01:12:42.000 Well, there were certainly cases of that.

01:12:43.000 There was one case in an anarchist group in this country called Class War, which was virtually being run by an agent of the state.

01:12:50.000 He was actually a full-time policeman who lived six days as an anarchist and one day as a policeman.

01:12:55.000 And he was running Class War, essentially.

01:12:57.000 Without him, the organization would have been incapable of doing anything at all.

01:13:01.000 Yeah, we found that here, too.

01:13:03.000 Yeah, so that was the first sort of tip-off that something was wrong.

01:13:07.000 When I worked on the IRA desk, I came across other things as well.

01:13:10.000 I mean, we've just recently had an inquiry here into Bloody Sunday, the events of 1972, when 13 innocent Catholics were gunned down by the British Army, and the British Army tried to lie their way out of it.

01:13:21.000 But when the recent inquiry was announced, they leaked information trying to indicate that Martin McGuinness, a member of Sinn Féin, had started the events of Bloody Sunday.

01:13:29.000 And I have to go on the record again, if risking prosecution, to say that the agent who claimed this was in fact totally unreliable and known by the services to be what was called a bullshitter.

01:13:39.000 And we should all wear it!

01:13:41.000 Sir, I know that in England you can talk like that, and I understand that RTV does that now too, and I understand that it's from a document, but we can't use that type of language here.

01:13:51.000 Oh, I'm sorry, sorry.

01:13:52.000 No, no, that's okay.

01:13:52.000 I mean, actually, in that format, you actually can on PBS and stuff, so actually that's coverable, but I still don't want to do it.

01:14:00.000 Okay.

01:14:00.000 I apologize for having to tell you not to do that, but RTV and radio is different.

01:14:04.000 Go ahead.

01:14:05.000 So yeah, that was the word they used anyway.

01:14:07.000 I understand that's a public document and that something needs to be discussed.

01:14:10.000 Now, so you're in the Communist desk, then you move to the IRA desk.

01:14:16.000 When did that happen?

01:14:17.000 That was in 1992.

01:14:18.000 What did you begin to discover then?

01:14:24.000 There was almost like an institutional failure to be able to get to grips with the IRA.

01:14:30.000 When MI5 took over the role for a police service in Britain, And when they did so, they started off by tapping people's phones who were no longer a threat on the basis of false information, and they didn't incorporate the records from this police organisation, so all the investigations were slowed down, and during that period the IRA carried out more frequent attacks than before or since.

01:14:54.000 And interestingly as well, when I first moved to the Middle Eastern section, I was handed an operation that was already begun into a journalist who worked for the Guardian newspaper in Britain, It has absolutely not been wrong, other than have some money paid into her account.

01:15:07.000 It was done for official channels, so there really could be no suspicion.

01:15:11.000 But MI5 failed to follow procedure, and again on the basis of inaccuracies, obtained a warrant off the government to tap her phone for a year.

01:15:18.000 But what was worse is they wanted to go into her house and do what I think in the US would be called a sneak and peek search, where they go in covertly, and they get a warrant to do so off the government, they go in covertly.

01:15:30.000 But as part of that operation, they were going to get this Guardian journalist's daughter arrested on trumped-up charges in the US, would you believe?

01:15:37.000 This is the kind of thing that was going on all the time.

01:15:40.000 Back off your phone again.

01:15:41.000 I apologize.

01:15:41.000 I keep giving you all these instructions.

01:15:45.000 So, trying to frame people?

01:15:48.000 Essentially, yes.

01:15:49.000 I mean, the thing with the IRA as well, where people were arrested, and people in MI5 knew these people were not guilty.

01:15:56.000 And those comments were not passed on to the police, so people were held on remand for a long time.

01:16:01.000 These cases were dropped before people went to court, but they should have been stopped a lot earlier.

01:16:05.000 They were knowingly innocent people in prison.

01:16:07.000 Basically harassment cases?

01:16:11.000 It was kind of just, yeah, police harassment, really.

01:16:13.000 And the same thing has happened with two Palestinians called Jawed Bachme and Samar Al-Ami, who were convicted of conspiracy to cause the attack on the Israeli embassy in Britain in 1994.

01:16:26.000 But MI5 didn't disclose two documents which indicated their innocence.

01:16:31.000 One document indicated another group had carried out the attack, and the other document...

01:16:35.000 was the belief of an MI5 officer that the Israelis had actually bombed their own embassy.

01:16:40.000 They'd let out the controlled explosion to try and get better security.

01:16:43.000 And yet these documents were never shown to the trial judge, let alone the defense.

01:16:47.000 Now, I want to stop you right there.

01:16:49.000 Everything we're talking about today is posted.

01:16:52.000 London Guardian, London Telegraph, BBC.

01:16:55.000 We have a whole MI5 David Shaler section on PrisonPlanet.com and I want now to get into the Omaha bombing and other bombings where we have MI6 actually as the leaders of the bombing groups ordering people to carry out bombings.

01:17:13.000 I mean we're not just talking about knowing about a bombing and letting it happen or just funding it.

01:17:17.000 I mean let's get into that right now.

01:17:20.000 I don't know enormous amounts about the actual over-half bombing itself, other than the fact that, I mean certainly, they were again, tipped off beforehand.

01:17:29.000 It appears that they, you know, they say they had to take the blind eye to this already.

01:17:33.000 They actually were actively trying to let it happen.

01:17:35.000 Well what about the articles where you have agents in at the highest levels of the groups, they're kneecapping people and they don't carry out attacks?

01:17:42.000 I mean that's, I mean I've got the articles here in front of me.

01:17:44.000 Oh yes, there was the case of State Knife, in which The State Knife, an agent of MI5 and the Army Intelligence, was actually torturing and killing other agents who were bravely risking their lives to report upon the IRA to stop those attacks.

01:18:01.000 Now, I mean, that is absolutely unforgivable, it really is.

01:18:04.000 Interestingly, when his name was first revealed, the agent State Knife, somebody called, I can't remember his name, Scappatacci, When I first came out, the services tried to pin the blame on me for leaking it to the media, which I didn't do.

01:18:19.000 But of course, by doing that again, they were trying to put my life at risk from attack from loyalist terrorist groups.

01:18:25.000 This is how they work.

01:18:26.000 And again, I mean, in summer of 2002, I was in a high-speed blast in my car in very suspicious circumstances.

01:18:34.000 And I say suspicious because I'd actually had the tyres checked about a week beforehand.

01:18:38.000 They were perfectly okay.

01:18:40.000 I was driving along in the car one of the few times I was there by night.

01:18:42.000 Stay there.

01:18:43.000 Stay there, David.

01:18:44.000 I want to hear about this on the other side.

01:18:45.000 Then I want to get into the latest police state developments in 9-11.

01:18:50.000 Stay with us.

01:18:50.000 We'll be right back.

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01:23:04.000 Coming up in the next segment, we'll take some calls for our guest, former MI5 officer, David Shaler.

01:23:10.000 And of course his partner, who he's helped write a book with, Spies, Lies and Whistleblowers, Annie Michon, former MI5 herself, is available through Amazon.UK.

01:23:27.000 And so you can go over to that Amazon and order the book there if you like.

01:23:32.000 I would imagine it's probably available through the usamazon.com, though I don't know.

01:23:36.000 But because of the constraints of time, David, let's just run through it in little condensed versions.

01:23:46.000 What happened with using Al-Qaeda to go after Gaddafi, again showing it's a British MI6 connected control group?

01:23:53.000 Then into Steak Knife, one of the key cases you uncovered, where the government really is behind bombings and shootings.

01:24:00.000 And then let's get into your take on 9-11.

01:24:02.000 Go ahead, sir.

01:24:04.000 There was a talk about the detail of how they actually funded Al-Qaeda in Libya.

01:24:09.000 I mean, the initial approach was made by somebody who they codenamed Tonworth, who serves as a Libyan military intelligence officer.

01:24:16.000 He first walked into the British Embassy in Tunis and asked to see an MI6 officer.

01:24:21.000 But he made it very clear at the time that he was leading a group of Islamic extremist terrorists.

01:24:27.000 But what he said, of course, crucially, is if he took power, he would hand over the two Lockerbie suspects for trial to Britain.

01:24:33.000 So that's what interested MI6 to start with.

01:24:35.000 But then around about Christmas 1995, somebody whose name is in the public domain, David Watson, an MI6 officer dealing with Libya, came to see me and told me that they'd been earmarked $40,000 to start with to fund this man, which he gave to Tunwith in January 1996.

01:24:56.000 He then made further payments to Tunwith, we're not sure how many, but we got the impression they were the same sort of amounts again, So we could be talking something in the region of about $120,000, $160,000 in all.

01:25:04.000 And then I actually saw evidence of the attack from, would you believe, another side.

01:25:12.000 I was reading other intelligence reports and suddenly I read about an attack.

01:25:16.000 And of course, because we'd seen the modus operandi that this agent had proposed, i.e.

01:25:21.000 the way they were going to carry out the attack had been put in a report prior to the attack.

01:25:26.000 When I saw descriptions of an event in Libya in which Colonel Gaddafi's car That was attacked with either a grenade or a bomb, but unfortunately it was a cavalcade of cars, and they got the wrong car.

01:25:37.000 The car they blew up was not Gaddafi's.

01:25:40.000 Gaddafi's bodyguards got him out, but then of course, subsequently, innocent people were killed.

01:25:45.000 So I saw it from independent sources.

01:25:48.000 I then asked MI6 about this, and they said, yes, that was our man, i.e.

01:25:53.000 the man they'd been paying the money through to carry out this operation.

01:25:55.000 They saw this as a success.

01:25:57.000 Even though, of course, they failed to carry out the operation properly by killing Gaddafi.

01:26:01.000 And, of course, innocent people had died.

01:26:03.000 And, you know, I was out in the service to try and stop terrorism, not to become party to terrorist attacks funded by the British government.

01:26:10.000 And the example, I guess, of a success for them is striking fear into Gaddafi and also showing they had an active, ready-to-engage group under their control.

01:26:19.000 But we see al-Qaeda against the Russians.

01:26:21.000 We see al-Qaeda In the late 90s, against the Serbs, over and over again we see Al Qaeda working as clients for Western intelligence.

01:26:31.000 Well this is always the problem.

01:26:33.000 The more I see of this, the more I'm convinced that the problems of the world are created by, particularly MI6 and the CIA, by funding groups.

01:26:41.000 I mean, the reason that Saddam Hussein was in a position to evacuate in 1991 was because He's been funded and given weapons by the British and the Americans, the same as you're saying with what they love.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, $35 million.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:54.000 And this is what keeps him to go on.

01:26:55.000 And if it wasn't, if they weren't actually actively funding these organizations, they were certainly letting them become more powerful than they were so they could create an environment of fear and they could go to the government and say, look, we need to have more powers.

01:27:09.000 More restrictions of civil liberties, more powers of arrest and detention, and so on.

01:27:15.000 Let's go back to steak knife, though.

01:27:16.000 Now, this is IRA bombings.

01:27:18.000 I've got, like, 30 articles, mainstream plus.

01:27:22.000 I've got a big printout here, where the evidence is clear.

01:27:26.000 MI6 and others are literally, in many cases, leading and funding and commanding terror groups.

01:27:32.000 Can you get into that for us?

01:27:34.000 Yeah, it wasn't MI6 in this case.

01:27:36.000 It was Army Intelligence.

01:27:38.000 Sorry?

01:27:39.000 Army Intelligence.

01:27:40.000 Yeah, it was Army Intelligence, which is a thing called the Forces Research Unit in Northern Ireland.

01:27:46.000 And what they were doing, let's say, they had this agent called State Knife Known, his real name was Scappatacci, And, uh, what they were doing is they were using him to, uh, torture and kill other agents reporting for, for example, the Royal Austin Constabulary, or reporting to, uh, MI5, but also helping those groups carry out attacks on innocent Catholics.

01:28:09.000 Well, also, I mean, I've got the articles here.

01:28:11.000 If people refused to carry out bombings, he would kill them.

01:28:14.000 Well, this is it, yes.

01:28:15.000 I mean, this is not just a result of media reporting.

01:28:18.000 It's been a thorough inquiry.

01:28:20.000 In Britain, carried out by one of the most senior policemen in Britain, Sir John Stevens.

01:28:25.000 And his inquiry has concluded that this is all absolutely true.

01:28:28.000 There was also an inquiry by a Canadian judge, Judge Corey, who also looked at the report and said, yes, this is absolutely true.

01:28:36.000 Stay there! 0.92

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01:31:55.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

01:32:02.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:32:10.000 Well, you can hear the interesting sounds of the busy London Park and nearby highways, which kind of adds to the whole effect, but we're really honored to have him joining us.

01:32:22.000 He is David Shaler, former MI5, and of course the book's out with another MI5 agent, Spies, Lies, and Whistleblowers.

01:32:29.000 And we're going to be going to your calls here in a little while, but I want to get more into government-sponsored terror in England, then what really happened with Princess Diana, and then his take on 9-11.

01:32:39.000 I'm finding out from John and Casey and Fred and Emmett and Troy and everybody else who exactly is calling for David Shaler because that's who we're going to.

01:32:49.000 Coming up next hour, Professor David Ray Griffin will talk about our debate last Thursday night on Coast to Coast AM and the latest 9-11 developments.

01:32:59.000 Going back to David Shaler.

01:33:04.000 During the break I said, look, I've got all these articles here and you're the source of a lot of them, you're not the source of a lot of others, but this just bolsters what you're saying about Steak Knife and about IRA and really countless examples.

01:33:16.000 of anarchist groups, communist groups, IRA bomber groups, being headed up, being driven, being radicalized by MI6, MI5, Army Intelligence, or groups they're funding.

01:33:28.000 And I said clearly that, you know, these groups are behind the terrorism, and you had a comment to that.

01:33:34.000 Please continue commenting on that.

01:33:35.000 Then I want to get into Princess Diana and how this ties into it.

01:33:39.000 Dr. David Kelly, I want to get into 9-11 as well.

01:33:43.000 Please break it down for us.

01:33:45.000 Well, the interesting thing about the, say, the, the, the Canoesian and the, uh, uh, the British state using terrorist groups in Northern Ireland to kill innocent Catholics and so on, um, the problem with that as well is that Tony Blair has helped the cover-up.

01:33:59.000 Tony Blair, um, took out court injunctions to stop the media reporting these concerns when somebody blew the whistle.

01:34:05.000 He has blocked, so far, all prosecutions which should result from this, of course, because these people They're guilty of conspiracy to murder and conspiracy to cause terrorism.

01:34:15.000 They should be going to prison for a very long time.

01:34:17.000 The current Prime Minister is doing everything in his power to try and pervert the course of justice and obstruct justice to stop these things coming out properly, basically.

01:34:26.000 Now, you talked about motive earlier.

01:34:28.000 What is the motive for all of this?

01:34:31.000 Well, I think that the reason that the stuff happened with the IRA in Northern Ireland was because the IRA bombed

01:34:38.000 The Conservative government during their conference in 1984 in Brighton in England and they saw that as a kind of, you know, beyond the usual kind of attacks because members of the cabinet were severely injured and so on and I think as a result of that they ordered a kind of shoot to kill policy and you'll notice as well that something we don't mention in the book but we should mention was that in Gibraltar there were three I'm sorry, your phone cut out.

01:35:05.000 of the IRA people who should have been arrested were actually just gunned down in cold blood by the SAS, even when they had their hands.

01:35:11.000 And this again was to try and fighten people away from the IRA.

01:35:16.000 I'm sorry, your phone cut out.

01:35:18.000 Did you say when their hands were tied?

01:35:20.000 When their hands were up in the air, they were obviously surrendering and they were shot in cold blood by the SAS.

01:35:27.000 Now, you know, the SAS is not entitled to do that.

01:35:29.000 It's a breach of the rule of law.

01:35:31.000 It's murder in normal circumstances.

01:35:32.000 But let's be specific.

01:35:33.000 I mean, we have instances where the government is literally funding the agents who are in control of groups that are carrying out bombings and shootings.

01:35:43.000 That's right.

01:35:43.000 Those are the cases, you're saying, with State Knife in Northern Ireland.

01:35:47.000 And a major investigation in Canada and the UK found that those findings were accurate.

01:35:53.000 Can you go over that?

01:35:55.000 Yeah, I must say, John Stevens, who was the most senior policeman in Britain at the time, went over, you know, did an extensive inquiry.

01:36:02.000 As usual in these circumstances, he was actually attacked in the media.

01:36:06.000 You know, MI6 has many friends in the media, has a section called Information Operations, who plant stories about people that they don't like.

01:36:14.000 And he got, he had his character trashed and so on, but he stuck to his job.

01:36:20.000 And then, of course, his inquiry was burnt down in Northern Ireland in very suspicious circumstances.

01:36:26.000 And again, there's the... That is, physically, his office was firebombed?

01:36:29.000 Yeah.

01:36:30.000 His office was firebombed.

01:36:31.000 None of the fire extinguishers worked and so on.

01:36:33.000 The phones weren't working properly that day.

01:36:35.000 And it was... The first results of his inquiry were actually firebombed.

01:36:40.000 Of course, he stuck to it and carried on very bravely.

01:36:42.000 And it took him a number of years.

01:36:44.000 And we're talking about something like 10, 15 years to get this report finished.

01:36:48.000 But he has done that.

01:36:50.000 And he's recommended that certain people be prosecuted, including somebody called Brigadier Gordon Kerr, who's a member of the British Army, a member of the 4th Research Unit, who appears to have been the person directing these attacks within the Army.

01:37:06.000 Now, as I say, those prosecutions have not happened yet because so far they seem to have been blocked by Tony Blair.

01:37:14.000 Good old Tony Blair.

01:37:16.000 Any other key areas you want to talk about concerning the IRA before we get into Princess Diana and then 9-11?

01:37:23.000 I think we can go after Princess Diana.

01:37:26.000 I mean, one thing I can mention about the service on a very small level was in one of the operations I was involved in, the services, would you believe, took 12 days to pass on intelligence about an IRA member.

01:37:37.000 And in that time, he carried out two bombings, two large-scale bombings against gas terminals in the northeast of England.

01:37:44.000 When I tried to point this out to my boss as I was told to shut up and I wrote a brief for government about it because I was so appalled and my boss got hold of the brief before it went out to government and changed the wording of the brief to make it look like the intelligence had arrived after the bombings rather than 12 days beforehand.

01:38:04.000 So again, this is what happens, this is how they cover up their tracks when they get things wrong, this is how they misrepresent information to government.

01:38:11.000 But, I mean, I would say over and over again, it's like the FBI cooking the bomb and training the drivers in the first World Trade Center bombing, and then when they get caught, oh, they got it wrong.

01:38:19.000 No!

01:38:20.000 I mean, this gives them control.

01:38:21.000 This gives them bigger budgets.

01:38:23.000 Well, exactly, yeah.

01:38:24.000 I mean, this is why I think you say they were so slow to tackle the IRA when I was working that section in 1992.

01:38:31.000 It was almost to kind of create a climate affair amongst the public.

01:38:35.000 So that they could then lobby government to introduce more and more restrictive laws and make it easier to arrest and detain people.

01:38:41.000 So you finally left MI5, what, in 97?

01:38:47.000 And then you've been arrested twice.

01:38:49.000 One time you spent how many months in prison?

01:38:51.000 I spent four months waiting for an extradition which failed.

01:38:56.000 The French released me on the grounds that my offense was political.

01:39:00.000 And then I went through a court case in Britain Well, I wasn't allowed to say anything in my defense.

01:39:06.000 The judge, in fact, vetted the questions I wanted to ask of prosecution witnesses.

01:39:10.000 Declaring national security?

01:39:12.000 Yeah, declaring national security.

01:39:14.000 In fact, there was intervention from two British ministers of state, two secretaries of state, who signed documents preventing me from saying anything in my defense in court.

01:39:23.000 And is that gag order still in effect in England?

01:39:26.000 Not the print stories about you?

01:39:28.000 It is in effect, yes.

01:39:29.000 Of course it's still in effect, yes.

01:39:30.000 I mean, I take risks and brief people.

01:39:32.000 Because I believe the things I have to say are important to a lot of innocent people.

01:39:35.000 Well, we don't have those same laws here, though they're trying, but I want to be clear.

01:39:39.000 We're covering today everything that's already been published in highly respected publications.

01:39:45.000 That's right, yeah, yeah.

01:39:46.000 In fact, we're actually covering things that I have made a point of going to the police and swearing to under oath.

01:39:53.000 You know, saying to people, I want to do this under oath.

01:39:55.000 I am not just going to give you information.

01:39:57.000 I am quite prepared for you to judge my information And to say that's how honest I'm being, I will swear to under oath that if I'm lying there's a criminal penalty and you can take me to court.

01:40:08.000 But David, I mean, I've seen the different reports, despite all their demonization of you and others, it seems that you're actually quite popular with the British people.

01:40:17.000 Well that's right, because the British people can see through this kind of thing.

01:40:20.000 We had a recent general election and it was a real wake-up call for the government, because it wasn't fair to go out and knock on people's doors.

01:40:27.000 to campaign for support, they suddenly realized that people were in Britain massively concerned about these issues in connection with the Iraq war and the failure of the intelligence services to gather proper intelligence about Iraq.

01:40:39.000 Now the reason I want to, and remember to back off your phone sir, the reason I want to talk about Diana is because you guys have covered this, it's been in the news, it's also I believe in the book, that we have these cases of them If you've got a bunch of documents coming out, they'll then put out this info, that gets picked up, they later get to discredit it, trying to discredit the whole thing.

01:41:04.000 Tell us what really happened in a condensed form with Diana and some of the dirty tricks they played.

01:41:09.000 Well, the dirty trick you're talking about is known as the straw man technique, where you set something up to knock it down.

01:41:16.000 And in this case, shortly after the accident, someone called Oswald Le Winter, who I knew from my time in the service was an MI6 agent, agent of influence, had tried to sell documents to Mr. Al-Fayed for $20 million, indicating that MI6 and the CIA were involved.

01:41:38.000 And that's the father of the man that Princess Diane was going to be marrying?

01:41:42.000 Sorry.

01:41:43.000 That's the father of Dowdy who died.

01:41:47.000 That's right, of Dowdy Al-Fayed, the man that Princess Diana was going to marry.

01:41:50.000 So they're trying to sell him false documents.

01:41:52.000 Go ahead, tell us about it.

01:41:54.000 Uh, the way that technique works is they're encouraging obviously to use these documents to prove a conspiracy, but of course, as a former officer, I knew those documents were forgeries.

01:42:03.000 I could see for about six good reasons why they were not genuine intelligence documents.

01:42:07.000 And it was being parodied by media you knew that was disinfo.

01:42:11.000 Yeah, so I knew it was disinformation, yes.

01:42:15.000 And of course, the way that works is Mr. Al-Fayed would go big with those documents, and then of course they would turn around and be able to say the documents were very clearly forgeries.

01:42:23.000 And of course then, people think that the whole conspiracy is a lie, basically, and is all an invention of fabrication.

01:42:30.000 That's the way that works.

01:42:31.000 But that didn't work, did it?

01:42:32.000 Well, it didn't work because I was able to come in with my expertise and say to Mr. Al-Fayed, these documents are forgeries, you're being set up.

01:42:40.000 Now, the interesting thing about Oswald Lewinsky, who tried to sell these documents to him, was that I'd come across him putting out misinformation about the Lockerbie case, would you believe?

01:42:49.000 I worked on Lockerbie, and in fact, MI6 would try to put out misinformation to blame Iran for Lockerbie, rather than Libya.

01:42:57.000 So, the same characters over and over again?

01:43:02.000 Same characters over and over again, yeah.

01:43:05.000 I mean, I've taken a look at the evidence around the Princess Diana case, and again, there's so much convincing stuff about cars being switched at the last minute, Armory Paul being paid £75,000.

01:43:18.000 The camera's being turned off an hour plus to get her to the hospital. 0.73

01:43:21.000 She said, Charles has told me he's going to kill me in a fake auto accident.

01:43:26.000 Exactly, yeah, and this is, at least at the moment, very belated.

01:43:31.000 The police in Britain are now trying to investigate this.

01:43:34.000 But again, the problem is this investigation is taking place eight years after the events happened.

01:43:40.000 Why do you believe that, I mean, clearly the evidence is they killed her.

01:43:43.000 Why do you think she was killed?

01:43:45.000 Well, I believe there could be a number of reasons, not least because the British Royal Family could not stand the idea of the mother of the future King of England being married to, or having the child Of a Muslim, because, I mean, the British royal family are quite racist and so on, and I don't think they were prepared to accept that.

01:44:06.000 There are other reasons as well, I mean, there are theories that, in fact, Prince William is not the son of Prince Charles.

01:44:14.000 And that, of course, she knew this.

01:44:17.000 And there was a case of a bodyguard to Princess Diana called Barry Manachi, who was alleged to be certainly having an affair with the princess, who died in very suspicious circumstances as well in a car accident.

01:44:28.000 And there was also, in this particular accident, the mention of a blinding, flashing light again, as happened in the case of Princess Diana, and as we also know, Richard Tomlinson, the former MI6 officer, gave evidence to the French judge, saying that MI6 were going to use that technique against Slobodan Milosevic in Serbia.

01:44:47.000 Yeah, hit the drivers with a blinding burst.

01:44:51.000 Yeah, the Russians use that to blind some of our sailors on a ship. 0.57

01:44:56.000 Lazing them.

01:44:57.000 Now, let's get into 9-11 because I talked to you last week on the phone and you had some comments about 9-11 from your expertise being inside MI5.

01:45:06.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously, when I first started to follow 9-11 in the papers, I was very worried by certain reports emerging.

01:45:16.000 Like, for example, obviously, normally, post-incident, there's a forensic investigation of a site.

01:45:21.000 It is, in fact, a criminal offense to interfere With a crime scene.

01:45:27.000 And yet, in the case of 9-11, all the metal from the buildings is shipped out to China.

01:45:33.000 There are no forensications done on that metal.

01:45:35.000 Now that to me...

01:45:36.000 Suggest that they never wanted anybody to look at that medal because it was not going to provide the evidence they wanted to show people that it was Al-Qaeda.

01:45:44.000 Now the majority of Americans in polls, upwards of 90% of the CNN poll, believe government had prior knowledge and consciously failed to act.

01:45:53.000 I've done my own polls.

01:45:54.000 It looks like the majority of people believe there was government, that is, I.E.

01:45:58.000 intelligence agency involvement.

01:45:59.000 We certainly have the motive.

01:46:01.000 Yeah.

01:46:02.000 I mean, the more I look at it, you realize that it's not incompetence.

01:46:05.000 You realize that there are FBI officers all over the country.

01:46:09.000 Colin Rowley is obviously the one who managed to get a congressional hearing, but...

01:46:13.000 Well, you know, you talked about how you were threatened with arrest and then arrested twice for trying to defend your country from government terrorists and government funding of terrorists.

01:46:24.000 But I have the press conference in 2002 with FBI agent Robert Wright, with David Shippers, the impeachment lawyer and judicial watch.

01:46:34.000 They all held up letters, they were threatened with arrest if they told the people what they knew, but luckily they'd already been on this broadcast months and months before they were blocked, and said, we were ordered specifically not to stop Al-Qaeda. 0.59

01:46:48.000 So, I mean, the government must be desperate if our own government's threatening to arrest people now.

01:46:54.000 Well, exactly, I mean, this is the way the world's going at the moment, isn't it?

01:46:57.000 I mean, people who want to tell the truth It's like the Soviet Union. 0.84

01:47:01.000 You have to face house arrest, you have to face imprisonment possibly, or them carrying out invasive investigations which involve looking at your bank accounts or messing around with your bank accounts and so on.

01:47:14.000 Well that's something else I know the services do as well, is they make illegal financial inquiries in Britain.

01:47:18.000 In the case of the Guardian journalist I was telling you about, they access their bank accounts without getting a court order.

01:47:24.000 And that again is a crime in this country.

01:47:27.000 Well, it's unbelievable.

01:47:28.000 Any other points you want to make on 9-11 before we go to these calls?

01:47:32.000 Yeah, I mean, there are so many questions to be answered.

01:47:35.000 Protocols being overridden in national defense.

01:47:38.000 People actively being stopped from carrying out investigations.

01:47:41.000 This wasn't an accident.

01:47:42.000 They were aware.

01:47:43.000 There was intelligence indicating there were those kind of attacks.

01:47:46.000 There were FBI intercepts saying it in the days before the attacks.

01:47:49.000 And I can tell you, When you look at it all, that is a big, big intelligence picture, and yet these people were crucially stopped from doing their jobs, stopped from trying to protect the American people.

01:48:01.000 So, you're looking at a situation in which you almost have a coup d'etat, because you've got to bear in mind there were weapons discovered on planes that didn't take off on 9-11.

01:48:11.000 Now, it's just been obviously postulated that they were going to attack perhaps the White House, Capitol Hill.

01:48:17.000 That looks to me like an attempt to destroy American government, And declare a state of emergency.

01:48:22.000 In fact, a coup d'etat.

01:48:23.000 A violent coup d'etat.

01:48:25.000 No, I agree.

01:48:26.000 And it was good agents that the internal criminal cabal didn't control that actually frustrated, it looks like a general from all the evidence we had, disregarded orders to stand down and shot down Flight 93 headed towards the Capitol for total decapitation of the government.

01:48:42.000 Well, exactly.

01:48:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:44.000 I mean, there's so many questions about this.

01:48:47.000 Um, you know, I mean, and you realize again that none of the inquiries ever get to the bottom of any of these things.

01:48:52.000 They don't take all the evidence, they don't often take evidence under oath when they should be taking under oath.

01:48:57.000 But then we look at the motive, uh, MI5, former MI5 officer, David, uh, Shaler, I mean, we have the invasion of Iraq, we have PNAC saying we want to invade the world, we need helpful terrorist attacks, and that's written by Dick Cheney!

01:49:11.000 Yeah, exactly, they actually severely talked about a new Pearl Harbor, didn't they, with a parallel to the Second World War, And you notice they managed to invade Afghanistan very shortly after 9-11.

01:49:20.000 Well they had the launch, they had 16,000 British troops, 44,000 U.S.

01:49:25.000 troops already ready to launch, they're outside the country, and Bush had the launch orders on his desk the day before!

01:49:31.000 Well exactly, yeah, that's it, and in fact, you know, this whole thing, they're just looking for a, they let it happen, they made it happen to create a trigger to be able to allow the invasion of Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq, And of course what they're trying now is to do the same thing with Iran and with Syria. 0.72

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01:53:06.000 Make a few calls here and wrap up this hour.

01:53:09.000 David, can I get you back on sometime via a landline from your home or something?

01:53:14.000 Yeah, no problem.

01:53:15.000 No problem at all.

01:53:16.000 I'd like to get you back on in the next few weeks because you're just a wellhead of knowledge and information for us.

01:53:23.000 We appreciate, number one, your incredible courage in going public in what you've done, and people want to learn the truth.

01:53:28.000 They should get the book, Spies, Lies, and Whistleblowers. 0.60

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01:53:36.000 By another MI5 agent that you've worked with.

01:53:39.000 But right now, let's go ahead and talk to Casey in Minnesota.

01:53:43.000 You're on the air with our guest, go ahead.

01:53:44.000 Hi Alex, I just had a couple questions, one for David and one for yourself.

01:53:49.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:53:50.000 David, I was very curious to know whether, first and foremost, whether or not the average British person's public opinion, or the public opinion in Britain, does reflect the corruption of government.

01:54:04.000 Eighty percent of people believe they killed Diana.

01:54:06.000 Go ahead, sir.

01:54:07.000 Eighty-three percent?

01:54:09.000 Yeah, I mean, this is the problem in Britain is the mainstream media is very loath to cover these issues.

01:54:15.000 But the people of Britain can see through that.

01:54:17.000 They're now accessing the web and they are sharing this information and there is enormous concern about these things in this country.

01:54:25.000 But we are in some ways powerless to be able to do anything about it.

01:54:28.000 We just recently had a general election and We know nobody was offering us anything different about the war or about civil liberties, basically.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, the Labor and the Tories may have little fights over petty issues, but when it comes down to the brass tacks, they're in agreement.

01:54:46.000 Yeah, I mean, Michael Howard supported the invasion of Iraq, even though many of us in this country are trying to get Tony Blair Put on trial in front of the International Criminal Court because what he did was clearly a war crime.

01:54:57.000 Oh, that's another question I had.

01:54:59.000 They've got the Downing Street memos and they're saying, oh, something might be fake.

01:55:02.000 This is classic where all this is admitted, the lies, the premeditated nature, but then they might bring in some fake document.

01:55:09.000 Well, yeah, I mean, that's the problem.

01:55:11.000 But I mean, you know, there's a clear case against Tony Blair and I think that perhaps when he resigns as Prime Minister, the International Criminal Court will go after him because Otherwise it sets a dangerous precedent.

01:55:22.000 If he's allowed to get away with it, then who's going to be the next kind of third world dictator to get away with it? 0.71

01:55:28.000 Fred, anything else?

01:55:30.000 Yes, Alex, it's Casey.

01:55:32.000 I have one other question for yourself.

01:55:35.000 At any point in time in the future, are you willing to make available to your subscribers the source code to your news articles so that we can reproduce it upon the web?

01:55:44.000 Yeah, thanks for the call.

01:55:46.000 I don't really understand that.

01:55:47.000 Anybody can go to the website and get articles and stuff.

01:55:50.000 I don't really understand that, but thank you, Casey.

01:55:53.000 Fred is next.

01:55:53.000 That's why I was saying Fred.

01:55:55.000 Trying to get everybody in here.

01:55:56.000 Fred in Philadelphia.

01:55:57.000 Go ahead, Fred.

01:55:59.000 Hi, Alex.

01:55:59.000 Hi.

01:56:00.000 I want to briefly bring up the Israeli plan for targeted killings.

01:56:07.000 On countries around the world?

01:56:08.000 Well, you know, David mentioned the documents he's seen showing Israeli involvement in bombing their own embassy. 0.85

01:56:15.000 And yeah, they told UPI that Sharon will target Americans here without judge or jury and kill us. 0.98

01:56:22.000 And Bush had no comment on that.

01:56:23.000 David, comments on that?

01:56:26.000 Well, the Israeli Sharon already has a record of being part of the Stern gang who carried out attacks against British troops when British troops were still in the area about, I think, 30 years ago.

01:56:37.000 So there's already a record of Sharon being involved in terrorism, and it doesn't surprise me if he uses terrorism again.

01:56:45.000 In the case I was talking about, it's quite clear to me that the Israelis bombed their own embassy, and of course they then framed two innocent Palestinians who have now done ten years in prison for crimes they didn't commit. 0.53

01:56:58.000 And it wasn't, like I say, that it didn't become public very quickly, but there are other documents available indicating their innocence.

01:57:05.000 Okay, uh, thank you for the call, Fred.

01:57:09.000 I've got two more calls for you, David, if you can do five more minutes.

01:57:12.000 If you can't do it and gotta go into a meeting, I understand.

01:57:15.000 You wanna stay or go?

01:57:16.000 No problem, I'll take the call, no problem.

01:57:17.000 Okay, five more minutes, and then in about three or four minutes, John, call Professor Griffin.

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01:58:20.000 Putin was caught planting bombs in a fourth building to blame it on his enemies and as a pretext for control.

01:58:25.000 Our government's clearly behind it.

01:58:27.000 Hitler blew up his own Reichstag, firebombed it.

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01:58:45.000 But right now, a few minutes left with David Shaler, MI5.

01:58:50.000 Let's talk to Emmett in Pennsylvania.

01:58:52.000 Emmett, you're on the air with David Shaler.

01:58:54.000 Go ahead.

01:58:55.000 Yes, thank you, Alex.

01:58:57.000 I wonder if David Shaler has any insight on the John F. Kennedy assassination.

01:59:04.000 Nothing other than I've actually read in the media, basically.

01:59:09.000 Yeah, he's talking about cases he's worked, sir.

01:59:12.000 Okay.

01:59:14.000 Or cases he specifically knows about through MI5, MI6 connections.

01:59:18.000 Go ahead.

01:59:19.000 Okay, is this Larry Silverstein, the owner of Building 7?

01:59:22.000 Is he going to spend any time in jail or prison?

01:59:26.000 Well, for those that don't know, he owned the entire complex, but owned Building 7 for like 10 years before that.

01:59:31.000 And he says that they blew up Building 7, and he will not respond to media phone calls from everybody, and I think they just hope it all goes away.

01:59:41.000 Let's ask David Shaler if he's aware of that.

01:59:43.000 David, the bizarre collapse of the buildings and the owner saying they blew up Building 7.

01:59:49.000 Yeah, I mean, I know that's a matter of public record because I've seen the footage of him saying so, and I think what he's trying to do now is deny that the word "pole" meant to demolish the building, which again is just ludicrous.

02:00:00.000 Oh, there isn't a white wall.

02:00:02.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

02:00:02.000 There is a denial by him out there?

02:00:05.000 Well, what I've heard is he's now said that he's admitted to saying they pulled the building, but he's now tried to deny that the word pulled in that context is demolished.

02:00:16.000 Where did you see that?

02:00:17.000 I got that off, I think, one of the 911 sites.

02:00:23.000 I think it was either 1.org or...

02:00:26.000 Yeah, I think through surrogates, like Popular Mechanics, they may have said that, But I've never gotten a statement from him.

02:00:32.000 We'd love to have him on here.

02:00:33.000 Please continue, sir.

02:00:35.000 Yeah, I mean, I've obviously seen the results of terrorist explosions and so on.

02:00:40.000 And, you know, no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building.

02:00:45.000 I mean, when the IRA put something like a thousand tons of homemade explosive in front of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, of course all the glass came out and the building shook a bit, but there was no question of that building falling down.

02:00:59.000 And it's just, it doesn't abide the laws of physics for buildings to fall down.

02:01:03.000 In the way the World Trade Center came down.

02:01:05.000 Well, what about the Madrid?

02:01:07.000 The comparison of the two.

02:01:08.000 You see, building 7 compared with the North and South Cat Tower coming down.

02:01:12.000 Those two things are exactly the same.

02:01:14.000 They were demolished.

02:01:15.000 Exactly.

02:01:16.000 Building, um... But we had the Madrid building a few months ago burned for a day and a half with 100 foot white flames.

02:01:22.000 Nothing collapsed.

02:01:24.000 Well, exactly.

02:01:24.000 Exactly.

02:01:25.000 And what I find very suspicious is that, um, obviously, after 9-11, there were certain firemen who actually managed to escape who were talking about Explosions in the building.

02:01:34.000 And I've talked to them and they've been told to shut up, David.

02:01:37.000 Exactly, but what I found even more worrying was, do you remember, I think it was about a month or a week after 9-11, a plane went down in Queens where a lot of those firemen lived.

02:01:46.000 Yes.

02:01:47.000 And so a whole lot of the firemen who'd escaped 9-11 were actually killed then, and you wonder if that was a way of effectively silencing them.

02:01:55.000 It was unbelievable.

02:01:56.000 David Shaler, anything else you want to say in closing?

02:01:59.000 Thank you very much for having me on the program and I obviously lead a very difficult life because I'm persecuted by the British government who tried to blacklist me and stop me from earning a living.

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02:02:22.000 David, thank you for coming on.

02:02:24.000 Thank you very much Alex.

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02:05:53.000 Alright, we got about 50 minutes of broadcast left, and about 40 of that Of that 40, or 50 minutes of broadcast, about 40 minutes of it will be time that we have with our guest.

02:06:08.000 Again, we're into the third hour, 8 minutes and 25 seconds into the third hour of this Monday, June 20, 2005 edition.

02:06:16.000 I wanted to get into Rush Limbaugh saying that there's no torture going on.

02:06:19.000 They're having a great time at Guantanamo Bay.

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02:06:24.000 We've written an entitled article Debunking all of this and he's now selling t-shirts about how great this gulag concentration camp, high-tech torture facility is.

02:06:34.000 Very disgusting.

02:06:35.000 Maybe I'll get a comment or two from our guest on that later and a few other news items that tie into this.

02:06:41.000 He's Professor David Ray Griffin and he's Professor Emeritus from Claremont University.

02:06:47.000 Also holds several other degrees and taught several other places.

02:06:49.000 Very prominent individual.

02:06:52.000 Written two books that have been selling quite nicely.

02:06:55.000 One of them, The New Pearl Harbor.

02:06:58.000 And of course the new Omissions and Deceptions report.

02:07:01.000 He's got a new report out detailing hundreds of their lies since the last time he was on with us a few months ago.

02:07:07.000 I got him on because I know he was probably frustrated last Thursday night Friday morning, being on Coast to Coast AM with those other two guys, especially Lance, it was amazing.

02:07:21.000 Though Norrie did a pretty good job, and I appreciate Norrie having the debate, I know that our gentlemanly scholar was not one to behave like a piranha, like I did, and get in there at the feeding trough to expose the New World Order.

02:07:35.000 But he tried to get his information out, so he can go over some of the points he was unable to discuss.

02:07:40.000 We are here, joined by David Ray Griffin.

02:07:43.000 David, we just had David Shiler on, the MI5 whistleblower, exposing government-sponsored terror, and he agrees that 9-11 looks like an inside job, so seems like anybody and everybody who's got two brain cells rubbed together agrees with us.

02:07:59.000 Well, we're not quite there yet, but certainly it looks like things are changing at least a little bit more than they were just a few months ago.

02:08:10.000 Well, preceding us Thursday night, they had Mr. Reynolds on, the former high-level Bush advisor.

02:08:18.000 Yeah, it's quite interesting that if somebody who can be portrayed as an insider says something why a little bit of the world pays attention so at least the UPI and the Washington Times picked this up and also an organization M.E.R.

02:08:41.000 Middle East Review said on the basis of Reynolds article they were now calling for a full-scale media investigation so it's got the potential To be a kind of breakthrough article.

02:08:56.000 I mean, it's very different than the Wall Street, than the Downing Street memo, of course, but coming at about the same time, it might turn out to have a similar effect.

02:09:07.000 Well, we've shot down so many of their walls and defenses and prepared the ground that as more people defect, the globalists are going to have a problem.

02:09:19.000 It is going to get harder and harder and with, you know, the polls down for approval in Iraq, they're going to have to work harder to sell that story and maybe a few of the news people now will start to become a little more skeptical and actually maybe ask a follow-up question like when Bush and Blair were being interviewed about the Downing Street memo,

02:09:48.000 I mean, you've got it there in black and white, that according to the head of British intelligence, the people in Washington, and he had been talking to George Tenet, said the intelligence was being fixed around the policy, that is, the policy of going to war with Iraq, and one fellow finally asked Bush and Blair about that, and they both just said, you know, Bush said, nothing could be further from the truth, and Blair said,

02:10:18.000 Oh no, the intelligence was not being fixed around policy.

02:10:22.000 In other words, both of them just said, black is white.

02:10:26.000 And that was it.

02:10:27.000 The news people didn't pick that up.

02:10:30.000 But maybe now, as things get increasingly, the war gets increasingly unpopular, maybe they'll get emboldened, and maybe that increased boldness will spill over into 9-11.

02:10:45.000 I mean, I'm not holding my breath yet, but I think it's at least possible.

02:10:50.000 Well, 9-11 is the foundational event, as you and others have said, and this is what they're building their whole house of cards on.

02:10:56.000 It is a sandy area they've decided to construct their additional troughs on.

02:11:02.000 The problem is that when you've got all the official Air National Guard documents that come out, the official ones, not debatable, saying Bush went AWOL, They then bring out a fake one, that gets picked up, then they discredit the whole thing in the people's minds.

02:11:16.000 They do the same thing on 9-11, focusing on the cookie stuff, and debunking straw men they build.

02:11:22.000 And also, I'm sure you've heard now, they're claiming one of the seven documents that's been released around Downing Street may be fake.

02:11:29.000 So it's admitted Downing Street's real.

02:11:31.000 I mean, we have all these admissions, but then they, it looks like, are sneaking more fake documents in, that then discredit those, and thus try to discredit the whole argument.

02:11:41.000 That would seem to be a quite strong possibility.

02:11:46.000 You know, to refer to the debate the other night, and connect it to the point you just made about the difficulty of making the case, when people really, if they will start really looking at the official story, and the lengths to which people have to go to defend it,

02:12:08.000 Why then it becomes apparent rather quickly that either the people who are defending it don't know what they're talking about or they're saying things that are patently false.

02:12:19.000 Let's take two examples of things said by my friend Peter Lance the other night.

02:12:26.000 He claimed that it would be ridiculous to think that people could have got into the World Trade Center to Wire the buildings, or then in the last minute, the last week, fix the explosives, because John O'Neill was in charge of security for the World Trade Center.

02:12:48.000 His first day at work was September 11th, and I never got to say that!

02:12:53.000 And I didn't either, you know, we were near the end of the program, and you always have to take the choice, do you want to Bring up the point you want to bring up, which is new information, or do you want to rebut what somebody else says and then they're going to jump back in and you lose your time?

02:13:09.000 Well, you know, I wrote a note on that and then forgot to ever get back to it because he'd throw out so much.

02:13:13.000 And then he said, oh, they clearly blew up seven, but that's no big deal.

02:13:16.000 Here, let's just move on.

02:13:19.000 Yeah.

02:13:19.000 So to say that John O'Neill on the first day of work could have retroactively prevented So, I mean, here's a case where Peter is a very bright guy and has done a lot of research related to 9-11, but he simply didn't know that that was the first day of work.

02:13:38.000 And so that's the kind of response you get.

02:13:40.000 What about how he laughed at shadow government?

02:13:42.000 I mean, everybody admits they're constructing a system to take over the government.

02:13:46.000 They passed the doomsday bill in January.

02:13:48.000 I mean, this is obvious.

02:13:51.000 Yeah, well, you know, everybody, we're all human, and we all get attached to our own theories, and we don't want a theory that's going to reduce the importance of our theory.

02:14:03.000 But you said something that was key.

02:14:04.000 You look at the continuum of data.

02:14:06.000 That's what I do.

02:14:07.000 I look at all of it together, and if any of it disproves what I'm saying, I'm wrong.

02:14:11.000 But unfortunately, David, nothing disproves what I say.

02:14:14.000 It only reaffirms it.

02:14:17.000 Yeah, let's take the other example then that Peter Lantz used.

02:14:22.000 He just accepted this preliminary NIST report, the report by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, that said, well, the towers would have come down, obviously, because the That when the airplanes hit, they would have knocked the fireproofing off of the steel.

02:14:44.000 He also called it flimsy light steel.

02:14:48.000 Yeah.

02:14:48.000 I'm sorry, Gleb.

02:14:49.000 And, uh, you know, that is just so preposterous.

02:14:53.000 Because steel still doesn't melt at 1800 degrees.

02:14:56.000 That's right.

02:14:57.000 And so I wanted to ask Peter, you know, if we'd had time, I wanted to say, well, you know, If you've got a steel grate in your fireplace and you're burning logs in there, why, you better get some fireproofing on that steel or, you know, it's going to melt.

02:15:12.000 And, you know, it's so obvious to us that steel does not melt from ordinary hydrocarbon fires.

02:15:19.000 And yet, if NIST comes out and says, well, that's what happened.

02:15:23.000 The fireproofing got knocked off.

02:15:25.000 And therefore, you know, that's such an enormous therefore, when you think about the You know, the miles of steel that were in that building, and steel is an excellent conductor of energy, and these were huge steel columns up the middle, and also pretty big steel beams horizontally.

02:15:46.000 Now, there were some trusses, too, but there were steel beams.

02:15:51.000 Yeah, they focused on the small trusses as if that has anything to do with the main superstructure.

02:15:55.000 Yeah, and also...

02:15:59.000 You know, the idea that those rather small fires that in Tower No.

02:16:05.000 2, the South Tower, had been burning only 56 minutes, because we've had, as you've talked about on your show many times, you've had all these fires, like the Philadelphia fire of 1991, Madrid fire of this year,

02:16:21.000 where the fire was really raging throughout most of the building and uh... philadelphia i believe was nineteen hours and still the building did not collapse it uh... you know maybe a little of the steel might have bagged a little i'm not even sure of that well madrid building was having work done on it so it had uh... fluting and uh... openings so it got even hotter the entire thing burning like a roman candle literally i've got the reports hundred foot white flames Yeah.

02:16:51.000 Now, what's hotter?

02:16:51.000 100 foot white flames or tiny, smoldering red-black fires?

02:16:55.000 Red-black fires, yeah.

02:16:57.000 But it just shows the, uh... The professor, what's hotter?

02:17:00.000 Red flame or white flame?

02:17:02.000 Well, white would be the... white would be hotter, yeah.

02:17:06.000 That would, you know, you need this acetylene torch where you get a high mixture of oxygen to produce fires that are hot enough to begin to make steel melt.

02:17:19.000 So, uh...

02:17:21.000 But it just shows the power of the will to believe.

02:17:23.000 If you want to believe something, you will grasp at the straws and find them credible.

02:17:29.000 Well, isn't the official story almost like a religion?

02:17:34.000 Well, I think that's a good analogy because, you know, people think of, when they think of the will to believe, they think of religious dogma.

02:17:42.000 We'll be right back, Professor.

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02:22:31.000 Another Mark Twain quote I saw at MacWhite.com, I'm paraphrasing, but a conspiracy is just two or more people getting together to engage in some activity that they don't want anybody else to know about.

02:22:43.000 That's just business strategies, anything.

02:22:45.000 You can call anything a conspiracy, but who has the motive for 9-11?

02:22:48.000 David, we've got about 35 minutes or so left here.

02:22:52.000 Later, I'm going to take a few calls, but that's near the end.

02:22:55.000 I know there's probably a lot you want to talk about, Professor David Ray Griffin, but briefly, back to that debate.

02:23:01.000 It would blow me away.

02:23:02.000 They play a clip Of the informants and FBI people arguing about how the government cooked the bomb and was going to let the bombing go forward of the World Trade Center, and then that was their evidence that the government wasn't involved?

02:23:16.000 I mean, this was really bizarre what we were getting from the people we were debating.

02:23:22.000 Well, yeah, I mean, there were many bizarre elements.

02:23:28.000 It's, as I say, it's back to the, I think, the issue of the will to believe and also people get their own pet theories.

02:23:37.000 So, like for Peter, it's very important.

02:23:39.000 He's put a lot of work, you know, years researching Al-Qaeda.

02:23:44.000 So the thought that Al-Qaeda isn't as important as he thought it is, you know, would be a very frightening thought.

02:23:52.000 And likewise, Mike Levine has his own theories that About how it's always government incompetence, and certainly there's an enormous amount of competence in the government, as there is in everything.

02:24:05.000 You know, I've been on faculties, and if you've been in a faculty meeting, you learn about incompetence from otherwise very bright people.

02:24:15.000 So there's incompetence all around, but to say that, to turn that into a universal And say there are no genuine conspiracies by the government because these people are too incompetent.

02:24:28.000 Well that's a gross generalization and confuses, you know, people at a certain level with other people.

02:24:35.000 The people who would have planned this would have been, in terms of operations, you'd be talking about the people at the Pentagon.

02:24:44.000 You'd be talking about perhaps very high-level people in intelligence agencies.

02:24:52.000 And also these private groups, the defense contractors themselves that carry out a lot of operations on their own.

02:24:59.000 Yeah, and there are lots of things that go off pretty well.

02:25:02.000 Like, I mean, if we talk about the attack, the initial attack on Iraq, Uh, you know, that was a well-done operation.

02:25:11.000 Yeah, we got people that put space shuttles into space. 0.84

02:25:14.000 We got people that create fission fusion bombs.

02:25:17.000 We got people making x-ray lasers. 1.00

02:25:19.000 So I guess they're just all a bunch of incompetent, drooling idiots. 1.00

02:25:23.000 You know, Professor, going back three and a half years ago, you were a kook if you said prior knowledge. 1.00

02:25:29.000 Now, everyone admits prior knowledge in that they quote, funded the terrorists, but it was all on accident.

02:25:34.000 So the mere fact that we push them, even those that we debate to, oh, it's incompetence, shows who's winning the fight for the minds and hearts of people.

02:25:43.000 Well, I hope so.

02:25:45.000 Let me move to this question that you brought up of conspiracy theories, because that's still the bugaboo, you know, that People simply are frightened with being associated with the conspiracy theory.

02:25:59.000 They've drummed that into the American mind so thoroughly that conspiracy theories are all, you know, kooky.

02:26:09.000 But the issue is, you know, you've got in science, you've got all sorts of theories.

02:26:14.000 You know, plate tectonics was originally a far-out theory under the name of continental shift.

02:26:22.000 And now everything that's done in terms of earthquake predictions and so on is based on plate tectonics.

02:26:29.000 When Einstein developed his theory of relativity, why, that was just thought, you know, impossible.

02:26:37.000 And on down the way, of course you've had a lot of theories that have been disconfirmed.

02:26:42.000 So that shows you can't just say because something's a theory, Um, you know, either accept it or reject it.

02:26:48.000 You have to look at each one in terms of its own merit.

02:26:51.000 But as we study 9-11, you'd have to be a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist, you know, believing in things that the evidence doesn't show if you think the official story is true.

02:27:01.000 Yeah, so let's, uh, why don't we look at the, uh, the collapse of the buildings and just to illustrate that.

02:27:10.000 Do I still have a couple minutes?

02:27:11.000 Oh, we've got plenty of time after this quick break.

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02:27:14.000 Yeah, I mean, let's look at Their official story is the wildest of all.

02:27:18.000 It's like saying that flies in my backyard are going to build a spaceship and fly to Mars.

02:27:25.000 Or we have the theory that could NASA do it?

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02:31:07.000 And of course in your body to a certain extent, your physical health.

02:31:10.000 What you believe doesn't necessarily make it so.

02:31:14.000 And so people say, well, how dare you, you know, change my reality on 9-11?

02:31:16.000 I don't want to believe it.

02:31:18.000 Well, regardless of what you believe, the facts are still the facts.

02:31:22.000 Let me just say this before we go to Devin Ray Griffin and then we'll go to your calls after he has some more time to go over the evidence.

02:31:29.000 You know that somebody on a dialysis machine in a cave didn't have NORAD stand down, didn't do war games of flying planes in the buildings that morning, Didn't do CIA insider trading.

02:31:41.000 Didn't call Mayor Willie Brown and tell him not to fly and Ashcroft and everybody else.

02:31:45.000 You know it didn't cause the NORAD to sit there with the planes for over an hour and do nothing.

02:31:50.000 You know it didn't make Building 7 fall.

02:31:52.000 You know that.

02:31:54.000 And the people we were debating, one of them, Lance, goes, well, there was a Muslim guy who might have been in Building 7 beforehand.

02:32:00.000 As if he went in there and planted something.

02:32:02.000 I mean, it's crazy!

02:32:03.000 You know, like a guy with a satchel went and brought down the building.

02:32:09.000 Learn the truth.

02:32:10.000 Face the facts.

02:32:11.000 There's no debating it.

02:32:12.000 All the evidence points toward David Ray Griffin's fourth scenario, government total involvement.

02:32:17.000 That is a criminal element within the government.

02:32:19.000 That doesn't mean your mailman was involved, or the cop was involved, or your cousin whose FBI was involved.

02:32:26.000 You know, I love this argument of my brother's FBI.

02:32:29.000 He wouldn't do that.

02:32:30.000 Of course he wouldn't.

02:32:31.000 It's called covert action.

02:32:34.000 It's called compartmentalization.

02:32:36.000 This is what they do.

02:32:37.000 The CIA admits to hundreds of bombings all over the world to blame it on people.

02:32:42.000 I have official government documents for 9-11.

02:32:44.000 I have official government documents for Operation Gladio.

02:32:47.000 I have official government documents where they carried attacks out.

02:32:51.000 Do you understand?

02:32:52.000 That's the number one piece of evidence.

02:32:54.000 Number two?

02:32:55.000 Is the motive.

02:32:57.000 And then we say, well, we don't want to believe this, let's look at the evidence.

02:33:00.000 And then you look at the evidence, only one country, and other governments have looked at this, only one country, forget somebody in a cave, only one country could pull this off in America.

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02:34:26.000 David Ray Griffin, before we get into the collapse of the buildings, which my audience knows all about, and before we get into a few other questions I've got for you before calls, tell us about your two great books.

02:34:40.000 Well, the first book, The New Pearl Harbor, disturbing questions about the Bush administration in 9-11, It was simply a summary, for the most part, of the work that people such as you and many others who got in far before I did had already done.

02:35:01.000 And I just saw a need to put it together in some sort of organized and fairly compact and readable form.

02:35:08.000 And you don't draw conclusions, you go, here's the facts!

02:35:11.000 Yeah, I certainly draw the conclusion that there is an enormous amount of prima facie evidence that the official story is wrong and that if the government is lying about the official story then that certainly suggests the government is complicit.

02:35:31.000 But they've never lied to us!

02:35:35.000 But in that book I simply was calling for a real investigation.

02:35:40.000 Now remember that I was writing that book before the 9-11 report had had come out.

02:35:49.000 And now for 10 months we've had this travesty.

02:35:51.000 Yeah, but then when I saw the 9/11 report, and I knew by the way that the 9/11 Commission had seen my book because many people had sent it to him.

02:36:05.000 It even happened that at my school's bookstore some people came in and said, "Well, we work for the 9/11 Commission and we're looking for copies of David Griffin's book." Well, they've been questioned about it.

02:36:17.000 One of them, I think, Hamilton, admitted he's heard of it.

02:36:20.000 Yeah, well, actually, a nun friend of his, an old-time friend, called him up and said, Lee, we've got a book here you and your colleagues need to read, and a colleague of mine is going to fly it on a red-eye tonight to And bring it to your office.

02:36:38.000 So he knew it was coming, and this colleague did indeed take 12 copies to the Commission and put them in Hamilton's office, gave them to his secretary and said, these are for the Commission.

02:36:51.000 And that's a whole other discussion, what the Commission did.

02:36:53.000 In fact, as an addendum to your new book, the 9-11 Omissions and Deceptions Report, but also you've written another addendum to that, right?

02:37:02.000 Well, I've written a little article in which I've summarized, because people had asked me, well, you know, you say the 9-11 Commission report, omissions and distortions, well, how many, assuming that the omissions, you know, that's one kind of lie, lies of omission, and then lies of distortion, how many lies did you find?

02:37:22.000 And I, well, I don't know, there are a whole bunch that I went through, Worked it out and summarized them, and I had identified 115 things that I thought were lies.

02:37:32.000 And give folks the title of that article so they can Google it.

02:37:36.000 Yeah, it's just called the 9-11 Commission Report, a 571 page lie.

02:37:43.000 Okay, and people can find your two books and most bookstores are at Amazon.com or through your publisher.

02:37:48.000 Give us the publisher and then I want to get into some more discussion because we're almost out of time.

02:37:52.000 Yeah, the Interlink Books is the publisher.

02:37:55.000 It's excellent.

02:37:56.000 I've read the first one, gotten the second one, scanned through it.

02:37:59.000 It's very accurate.

02:38:00.000 But now, during the break, I said, hey, I want you to answer this question.

02:38:05.000 Clearly, you believe it's number four, total complicity involvement, all the evidence goes that direction, but why did these controllers think they would get away with this?

02:38:14.000 I mean, let's try to war game their mindset.

02:38:16.000 I mean, we know Brzezinski, we know that Cheney, we know others said we need this attack, but why did they think they could get away with something like this?

02:38:25.000 Well, I think maybe three major factors, at least.

02:38:31.000 One is simply that they They know that the major media favor, in general, the expansion of the American Empire.

02:38:42.000 Do you think they were underestimating the bargaining alternative media?

02:38:46.000 Well, I don't know, but it does remain a fact that it's still only a fairly small percentage of the people who know about this, and even though it's a growing minority, It's hard for this to get traction because there's no public forum for these things to be discussed.

02:39:10.000 Like, we can't get on Fox News and communicate with millions of Americans, tens of millions of Americans, simultaneously.

02:39:19.000 So, that's one factor.

02:39:21.000 I think they knew that the major media would, for the most part, simply parrot the official story and ridicule The any conspiracy theory that developed likewise a factor in this is that they knew that from previous experience this would be the case so if you look at the Kennedy assassination for example Even though now, the proof is in.

02:39:47.000 I mean, we're talking about absolute proof.

02:39:50.000 Eyewitnesses, people that were, yeah, they said they did it, yeah.

02:39:53.000 Yeah, well, yeah, and it's just so extensive.

02:39:55.000 The medical evidence and all of this, you know, it's summarized in recent books by, edited by James Fetzer.

02:40:03.000 Well, I mean, I've even had the press secretary's father, the personal lawyer of LBJ on.

02:40:10.000 That's right.

02:40:13.000 But still, you don't get any discussion of this in the media, you know, these many decades later.

02:40:18.000 So they still ridicule the Grassley-Noel crowd, you know, anybody who rejects the Warren Commission and thinks there were shooters at the Grassley-Noel, even though it's absolutely proved now that there were.

02:40:31.000 So I think it's the past history of the media, plus the fact that That they have people at certain levels in the media who will stop certain stories from going forward.

02:40:44.000 David Scheindler, MI5, called them agents of influence.

02:40:47.000 I mean, intelligence officers are everywhere in the media.

02:40:50.000 Yeah.

02:40:51.000 And I think a third factor then is the phenomenon of the big lie.

02:40:55.000 That it's such a big operation and such a big lie that for many people that just settles it a priori because You know, of course, that was a Nazi theory, that if you tell people a really big lie, it's just so big they say it can't possibly be true. 0.54

02:41:14.000 They wouldn't think of doing such a thing.

02:41:18.000 And so they could count on an enormous crime.

02:41:23.000 You know, and I was that way the first year and a half.

02:41:28.000 I would hear these rumors that the government did it.

02:41:31.000 And I would think, well, even the Bush administration wouldn't do this.

02:41:36.000 And, you know, I knew about Pearl Harbor.

02:41:38.000 I knew about Kennedy.

02:41:39.000 So, that's a really hard barrier to break through.

02:41:43.000 You know, now that I've broken through, it's frustrating how hard it is to get other people to break through.

02:41:48.000 But, you know, we have to recognize that is the case.

02:41:51.000 So, I think that is a factor, too.

02:41:54.000 Well, we've got to think about the people they killed, and they deserve the truth to come out.

02:41:59.000 Let's get into just three or four of the key things that can be proven are total frauds, and then let's take some calls.

02:42:05.000 Well yeah, if we just look, you say your listeners know about it, but let's just summarize that we can take Morgan Reynolds' article in which he summarizes ten characteristics of controlled demolition and these collapses have all ten of them.

02:42:25.000 So first of all, virtually free fall speed, that's what controlled demolition does.

02:42:31.000 And even if fire could bring down a building, it couldn't bring it down in, say, 10 seconds.

02:42:37.000 It came straight down.

02:42:39.000 Again, that's the whole purpose of controlled demolition.

02:42:43.000 Placing the explosives very precisely.

02:42:46.000 So the buildings don't fall down sideways.

02:42:49.000 This is rocket science level to be able to have them, like Building 7, fall in a neat pile.

02:42:54.000 Oh yeah, you know, Mark Laroche, the head of Control Demolition, Inc., he has an interview with a recent new scientist in which he describes how he goes in and he studies it for months on end and is very careful, you know, and then has films of it to make sure that everything went off just in the proper order.

02:43:15.000 So it's a very precise science.

02:43:19.000 And you can't, you know, even if you could bring down a building with fire, you could not count on it coming straight down.

02:43:25.000 Well a lot of times these companies plant it for months and still it doesn't fall exactly right.

02:43:31.000 That's right.

02:43:32.000 A third factor, the concrete was pulverized into tiny, very tiny dust particles.

02:43:40.000 And Jim Hoffman has done an analysis of the amount of energy this would take.

02:43:45.000 And he's shown that it would take at least a hundred times the amount of energy that gravity could have provided.

02:43:53.000 And yet the official story is that gravity brought the buildings down once, you know, the fire weakened them.

02:44:00.000 And they just ignore the fact that there was not anywhere close to the amount of energy that would have required to pulverize the concrete.

02:44:09.000 And then fourth, the The debris, not only this dust from the pulverized concrete, but steel and aluminum pieces were blown out from the building several hundred feet.

02:44:23.000 Again, that takes enormous energy.

02:44:27.000 Neatly, neatly cut!

02:44:28.000 We have the photos.

02:44:29.000 That's right, and that's a fifth factor, that the massive columns and beams Only Imperial Storm Troopers are so precise!

02:44:40.000 Yeah, and then the total collapse of the building, the thing that I keep coming back to because it's one of the big lies of the 9-11 Commission Report, I think I said this before on your show, but it bears repeating, that those 47 massive tower columns that constituted the core, the inner core of each tower,

02:45:03.000 Even if one could bring themselves to believe the pancake theory, that the floors pancake down, you still would have had those sticking a thousand feet up in the air.

02:45:14.000 But the report doesn't mention them!

02:45:16.000 Those didn't exist!

02:45:18.000 The report says that the core of each of the towers consisted of a hollow steel shaft.

02:45:26.000 So that is the most enormous lie that one could tell about the nature of the World Trade Center towers.

02:45:33.000 Because that was the feature.

02:45:34.000 When you see pictures of them going up, you see those towers, those columns sticking way up above the part of the building that has already been constructed.

02:45:44.000 But not here!

02:45:45.000 They just get blasted off in these little sections.

02:45:47.000 And so they, the buildings collapse then into a pile of rubble about three stories high.

02:45:54.000 So all those columns had to be severed.

02:45:57.000 And as if fire, you know, fire and gravity could do that. 0.69

02:46:02.000 So, as you say, the official story, if anybody will look at it precisely, is just absolutely ludicrous.

02:46:09.000 When one talks about probability theory, you say... And then we have Larry Silverstein saying we pulled it, refusing to answer questions, and then we have reporters being told, get back, we're going to pull it.

02:46:20.000 Yeah.

02:46:21.000 So, yeah, with Building 7, and then you look at, as I point out in the book, my second book, if you examine the collapses of buildings Seven, and then the towers.

02:46:34.000 There are some differences, but for the most part, they all share these nine or ten standard characteristics.

02:46:43.000 And so, you know, it's a pretty easy logical syllogism.

02:46:47.000 And again, with their theory, if you can disprove any part of it, the whole thing falls.

02:46:51.000 And we can disprove every part of it.

02:46:53.000 It would take hours to do it.

02:46:54.000 You've done it, I've done it.

02:46:55.000 Let's take a call.

02:46:57.000 I appreciate folks holding so long.

02:46:58.000 We'll go to Tim, David, and Diana, or Dana, excuse me, and then Mike, that's it for calls.

02:47:04.000 Go ahead, you're on the air, Tim.

02:47:06.000 Good afternoon, Alex.

02:47:07.000 Yes, go ahead.

02:47:08.000 Hello, David.

02:47:09.000 I was going to say, you mentioned it's only conspiracy theories if you haven't researched the subject, and it was quite obvious during the debate, Bravo, by the way, you two gentlemen, it's quite obvious who Peter Lance is working for.

02:47:21.000 Well, I don't know that we can conclude that.

02:47:24.000 I don't ever like to impugn anyone's motives or sincerity and I know Peter, regardless of what Peter Lance is up to, the former Nightline producer, we just know he's wrong.

02:47:38.000 You had mentioned earlier, or you had touched on it, and that's the theory of cognitive dissidence, where people reject the information that's not in line with their previous thoughts or actions.

02:47:47.000 Yeah, denial's not a river.

02:47:48.000 That's one of those biggest hurdles I think we're facing in this 9-11 thing, and my question to both gentlemen is, what What is it going to take?

02:47:57.000 I mean, I'd hate to see this backfire in our faces because we all want the truth to come out and we all want these perpetrators to end up in prison, but what's going to happen to the leadership of this country in the interim and how are we going to prevent the United Nations from trying to come in and take over?

02:48:12.000 Alright, thanks for the call, Professor.

02:48:15.000 Well, I mean, I don't think there's any problem with the United Nations.

02:48:20.000 I mean, it was created to be completely impotent.

02:48:24.000 Organization and the ones who set it up certainly succeeded in that.

02:48:28.000 It can't do anything that the leading nations don't want it to do.

02:48:32.000 It's really just a front group, isn't it, for the industrialists?

02:48:34.000 But I think the point that he makes is a good one that I think many people in authority say, you know, we just can't expose the truth.

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02:51:58.000 Rush Limbaugh plumps new depths of perversion.

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02:52:03.000 Very important article.

02:52:05.000 Also one about how they're trying to discredit the Downing Street memo.

02:52:08.000 Classic Karl Rovian or MI6 type activities.

02:52:12.000 We've got to get Professor Griffin on for two hours sometime.

02:52:14.000 Just an hour is not enough with the breaks and things.

02:52:17.000 I want to jam a few more calls in here from David and Mike and Dana.

02:52:22.000 But real fast, Professor, finish up what you were saying about the last caller.

02:52:26.000 Yeah, I was just going to say, I think he makes a good point that I think many people who know the official story is wrong and that our government was complicit say, look, If we expose that, that's going to bring down the whole government.

02:52:40.000 We're going to be in chaos.

02:52:42.000 The economy will crash, give our so-called enemies a chance and all that.

02:52:49.000 And so I think that fear is another factor that the government, I mean the forces who did this, I thought they could count on that.

02:52:59.000 Yeah, I talk to a lot of people who go, look, I know it's true, but it's the system and leave it alone.

02:53:03.000 Yeah, because, you know, revealing the truth would cause more harm than letting it go and letting the guys get away with it.

02:53:10.000 But that's not true.

02:53:11.000 I mean, we're dealing with cold-blooded killers.

02:53:13.000 They're going to keep doing this.

02:53:14.000 Yeah, and when we're talking about the future of the world, because, I mean, this is the larger context we need to consider, that the project for global domination is not just dominating all Other people.

02:53:29.000 It's us domestically.

02:53:30.000 But also, yeah, us domestically and also the ecological system of the planet, which these characters care nothing about.

02:53:39.000 No, you're right.

02:53:41.000 You're absolutely right.

02:53:42.000 They're going to use this to, you know, I mean, the studies indicate that global warming, if it is not slowed down enormously, I mean, we're talking about 90% reduction by the... I agree with you on environmental crises, genetic engineering, but that's a whole... We've got to get you back up, Professor.

02:53:57.000 Let's take a couple final calls real fast.

02:53:59.000 Mike in Tennessee is a steel worker.

02:54:01.000 Real fast, go ahead.

02:54:03.000 Yes, Alex.

02:54:04.000 I just wanted to comment on the thickness of those inside columns.

02:54:07.000 Yes, sir.

02:54:08.000 I've built buildings with steel that thick many times, 20 years in the business.

02:54:14.000 I'm a certified welder.

02:54:16.000 It actually takes a special cutting torch, other than an oxygen acetylene, to cut steel that thick.

02:54:24.000 So, kerosene burning, which is basically what jet fuel is, their explanation is what made me believe that the whole thing was a sham.

02:54:32.000 Well, for those that don't know, kerosene burns even lower than gasoline.

02:54:35.000 You can stick a lit match in it.

02:54:37.000 Don't try this at home, folks, because if there's any oxygen aerosolized, it will explode.

02:54:41.000 But you can sit there and literally try to light kerosene on fire.

02:54:44.000 Explain that to people!

02:54:48.000 Actually, like I said, it takes an accelerated oxygen into it at such a rate that there's no way.

02:54:58.000 The floral carbon fuels burn all the oxygen off, and that takes a lot of the heat out of the fire.

02:55:04.000 Henceforth, as you said, before you can even start with a cutting torch, you have a blue flame.

02:55:10.000 As soon as the steel starts to get soft and red, Then you throw oxygen to it.

02:55:16.000 When the oxygen hits it, the flame turns white and blows the steel out of the way.

02:55:22.000 It actually doesn't destroy it.

02:55:23.000 It just kind of melts it and blows it.

02:55:26.000 Yeah, so your point is that even just cutting an ordinary piece of steel, you know, maybe an inch thick, would take a Cetylene torch.

02:55:36.000 And these things that are four inches thick would take an enormous amount of energy.

02:55:43.000 Exactly.

02:55:44.000 Thank you, Mike.

02:55:45.000 Dana and Joni and everybody, I'm sorry.

02:55:48.000 We're out of time.

02:55:49.000 We'll have to have Professor Griffin back on in the future.

02:55:51.000 Professor, will you come back on?

02:55:53.000 Surely, Alex.

02:55:54.000 Anytime.

02:55:55.000 All right.

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02:55:56.000 Okay.

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