Alex Jones Show - 20060203_Fri_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:25.000 Welcome, my friends.

00:00:30.000 Already Friday, the third day of February, 2006.

00:00:34.000 And I've been waiting for this day since last week when we set Cele Castillo up for the broadcast.

00:00:43.000 He'll be with us coming up in about 30 minutes throughout the balance of this transmission against tyranny today.

00:00:50.000 A highly decorated Vietnam Army sniper, of course, highest level DEA agent in Latin America, a police officer before that, and an eyewitness to massive government-controlled narcotics trafficking.

00:01:09.000 The war on drugs internationally is against anyone who is growing drugs, purifying drugs, shipping drugs into the western world and not paying their cut into the big banks and the CIA and others.

00:01:23.000 and he's an eyewitness to all of it, one of many agents, former agents, who bravely come forward who we've had on the broadcast.

00:01:29.000 But he probably has more information and more eyewitness accounts and documentation than anyone we've ever interviewed.

00:01:37.000 So, Sally will be joining us in about 30 minutes.

00:01:40.000 And then the third hour, he's going to continue to ride shotgun with us.

00:01:43.000 But guess who we have coming on?

00:01:44.000 Mr. Sands, who was on Channel 4 in England yesterday.

00:01:49.000 I want to thank a listener for instant messaging me the Channel 4 article within minutes of it airing.

00:01:54.000 We were able to get the guest on quickly.

00:01:56.000 And he, of course, a big lawyer working inside the government, and they have all the documents where Bush and Blair, this dwarfs the Downing Street memo where they're talking about, oh, yeah, we've got to make up intelligence to attack Iraq because the U.S. is...

00:02:11.000 is going in regardless, a year before, of course, the invasion of March of 2003.

00:02:15.000 This is Bush and Blair, the minutes of the meeting, where they're in there, talking about how, well, we can stage a WMD, capture or find.

00:02:28.000 We can have a quote informant come out and have them lie and say they found them.

00:02:33.000 We can paint one of our spy planes up like a UN plane and try to fly it low and get Saddam to shoot it down or shoot at it and then claim that Saddam's attacking the United Nations. 0.58

00:02:44.000 Again, we're not taking sides here with Saddam Hussein.

00:02:47.000 We're just covering the news and the facts.

00:02:49.000 Problem, reaction, solution.

00:02:51.000 Yet again, showing you how unbelievably criminal this administration is.

00:02:57.000 An administration that every day Is announcing that they have dictator powers, that they don't even have to follow the law.

00:03:05.000 That, oh, if you strike down the Patriot Act, I'll just enforce it when there's not even a law.

00:03:09.000 Or, I'm allowed to order the torture of people even if it is against the law.

00:03:14.000 And now I'm glad to say everybody is starting to talk about that this administration is openly announcing that it's a dictatorship.

00:03:24.000 It's unbelievable, and I'm telling you why they're so arrogant, why they're announcing it all now.

00:03:29.000 Why, no matter how crazy it sounds, they're pushing it. 0.98

00:03:32.000 Because the globalists, I'm more sure than ever, are going to carry out terror attacks in this country, and then say, see, you wouldn't let us take all your rights, so the terrorists hit again, and now we're really going to take over, and it's for your own good, so just shut up!

00:03:47.000 You can really see how they're setting it up, and if we don't expose who's behind the terror, And expose this paradigm so that they lose their power, the power they have to be able to stage attacks and pose as our saviors, that it's going to happen.

00:04:02.000 We're trying to save lives, and more importantly in the long term, save America, because Hitler used the Reichstag to take over Germany.

00:04:11.000 And many other governments have staged terror attacks to enslave their populations, and our government is doing it right now, and I shouldn't even say it's our government.

00:04:19.000 It is a criminal cabal, a junta, a putsch, that has taken over, and I even had Paul Craig Roberts on yesterday, number two, Department of Treasury, Reagan administration, one of the most prominent conservatives in America, real conservatives, And he said, without me even prompting him, he said, you know, 9-11's the foundation.

00:04:39.000 What makes us think the story we heard about 9-11 is true when all the government does is lie to us?

00:04:45.000 Well, we know the story of 9-11 isn't true.

00:04:47.000 Alright, tons of news coming up.

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00:08:19.000 The huge whistleblower, Sella Castillo, Army sniper, highly decorated Vietnam, police officer, police detective, DEA agent, highest level DEA agent in control of the operations, counter drug operations for all of Latin America who counter drug operations for all of Latin America who learned that our government was dealing the drugs, controlling the drug dealers, deciding who went down and who stayed in power, and engaging in mass murder.

00:08:46.000 And one of the dark lords of all of this is John Negroponte, who is now the head of, quote, all intelligence, or the Heinrich Himmler.

00:08:55.000 Of America.

00:08:57.000 So that's coming up in about 25 minutes or less.

00:09:02.000 This is the type of news I have in front of me today.

00:09:04.000 This is an article out of the Nation Magazine.

00:09:09.000 The end of the Internet.

00:09:11.000 And I commend them.

00:09:12.000 They finally learned what we learned a few years ago.

00:09:15.000 That Internet 2 and the big corporations are going to start shutting off the old web And then forcing you through hubs, which track and trace you, and where there's no free speech, and where you literally can't even type things that are anti-government or anti-Rupert Murdoch.

00:09:33.000 It will self-censor.

00:09:34.000 You think China's bad? 1.00

00:09:36.000 Just telling Google to block some things.

00:09:39.000 Thousands of things.

00:09:40.000 Partying, jokes, sex, Falun Gong, Tiananmen Square.

00:09:48.000 Anti-communist material.

00:09:50.000 In America, it's going to be the companies themselves doing it, and you won't even be able to type things on websites or on different news groups that they don't agree with.

00:10:01.000 It's all pre-programmed.

00:10:02.000 And of course, MySpace has already begun this.

00:10:04.000 It's been announced the last few weeks that it won't let you post anti-Rupert Murdoch or anti-Fox stuff on it, or it won't let you promote any of their business competitors, or in some cases, write bad reviews of them.

00:10:16.000 People trying to go in and do that on their own little webpages on MySpace are being restricted.

00:10:22.000 It just won't let you type it with that AI, artificial intelligence technology.

00:10:28.000 There it is, right there.

00:10:29.000 You think, again, you think China is bad, and it is bad.

00:10:33.000 Here it is in our own backyard, even worse.

00:10:36.000 Even worse!

00:10:37.000 And the average person isn't even aware of it.

00:10:39.000 It's a minor footnote in a few tech publications that MySpace is doing this.

00:10:44.000 38 million members.

00:10:45.000 Only bought, what, six months ago by News Corp.

00:10:48.000 News Corp.

00:10:49.000 The parent company, of course, Rupert Murdoch, for Fox Television and the rest of it.

00:10:54.000 So, there it is in your face, and so later if I have time, I may not, but this is up on PrisonPlanet.com, It's a big article and it goes through everything we told you how they're going to do it and it's not around the bend, it's starting now.

00:11:08.000 Let's read the first paragraph.

00:11:09.000 The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open, and non-discriminatory internet of today to a privately run and branded service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we do online.

00:11:25.000 And then it gets into controlling content as well.

00:11:29.000 You need to learn about it.

00:11:30.000 Listen, just type in the Internet is dead.

00:11:33.000 This headline is the end of the Internet.

00:11:35.000 These headlines are all similar, but type in the Internet is dead.

00:11:37.000 You'll get the Register.

00:11:38.000 You'll get the Austin American Statesman.

00:11:41.000 Because they've had an Internet 2 meeting here two years ago.

00:11:43.000 They had one, well, two years ago in London, last year in Austin, excuse me.

00:11:50.000 And they openly said, we're just going to start shutting down the old web and then it'll fail and then we'll shut down the peering agreements like what we had in the last few months between Level 3 and Cogent, two of the big backbone providers.

00:12:04.000 They're just going to do that on purpose across the board and then force you onto the controlled hubs where you then through contract Fraud is what it is.

00:12:13.000 Sign away your rights and acquiesce and agree to it.

00:12:18.000 But the racketeering and the collusion is the fact that these companies are getting together with the government to do this to begin with.

00:12:24.000 It's like they're shutting down the existing roads and then making you go onto their toll roads is basically what's happening.

00:12:29.000 But on these toll roads where you'll be charged very high prices, we're talking ten cents an email or more, it's going to be amazing.

00:12:38.000 This is what they're announcing.

00:12:39.000 On top of all of that, they're going to control what information you can post and what you can do.

00:12:46.000 Let's say you're going to have a website.

00:12:47.000 It'll be a subdomain of UT, University of Texas, which is part of it.

00:12:51.000 Or it'll be a subdomain, say, of Ford.

00:12:54.000 Select companies and then select public-private partnerships again.

00:12:58.000 Select universities and select quote government agencies.

00:13:02.000 You will then have to go to them to get a subdomain.

00:13:05.000 So it would be like University of Texas slash UT Texas at Austin forward slash Alex Jones forward slash InfoWars.

00:13:15.000 And then you sign an agreement and if they don't like anything you're doing, sorry you can't be on there.

00:13:19.000 They're announcing this!

00:13:20.000 Do you understand?

00:13:21.000 They're going to do it!

00:13:23.000 It's just like the real world toll roads.

00:13:25.000 I was listening to Jerry Brownfield this morning and they had a state rep on from Indiana who was talking about how Centra, the big Spanish company with Juan Carlos owning part of it, king of Spain, is just going to be given one of their roads for 75 years for a pittance of money.

00:13:41.000 3.5 billion and in the first decade it's going to be worth tens of billions and in 75 years, hundreds of billions.

00:13:47.000 He was going over the numbers.

00:13:49.000 Again, they just come in and buy off the roads!

00:13:52.000 It isn't, quote, privatization where they build a new road, and then if you want to use it, you get charged, or if they want to build a road, they've got to buy the land from you.

00:14:00.000 Oh no!

00:14:00.000 The government comes and steals your land, doesn't even pay you for it in many cases, then they give it to these people, the government builds the road, and then hands it over to them.

00:14:10.000 You know what's happened?

00:14:11.000 I'm already ranting, and I've got a guest coming up, and I've got all this news to cover.

00:14:18.000 Blair War Provocation Memo Sends Warning to Iran.

00:14:24.000 And to make a long story short, we've got a guest coming on in the third hour about this.

00:14:28.000 It's just mainstream news, not even denied.

00:14:31.000 In a Bush-Blair meeting that there's transcripts of, we have the exact quotes, and we have one of the top lawyers come on and talk about this in the third hour.

00:14:38.000 They just said we can paint up an American plane to look like a U.N.

00:14:41.000 plane, fly it low and try to get Saddam to shoot it down. 0.89

00:14:45.000 Problem, reaction, solution.

00:14:46.000 And what's really hidden in this article that no one's really paying attention to is Bush says, well, we're going to have an informant or somebody come out and lie about WMDs and put out a fake report.

00:14:57.000 You see, they didn't just say they were WMDs and then were mistaken.

00:15:01.000 They lied the whole time by design.

00:15:03.000 In fact, the Downing Street Memo showed that, but this is even more glaring.

00:15:07.000 This is even more sterling.

00:15:10.000 So, that's coming up.

00:15:12.000 Right now, I want to air a clip of Bush.

00:15:16.000 Just about, what, six months ago, on C-SPAN, and there's a whole bunch of these quotes, we don't have time to air them all, where he says, don't worry, the Patriot Act, we still gotta have a warrant, we're not spying on you.

00:15:28.000 And then he gets caught, and then he says, no, no, no, I don't need a warrant.

00:15:31.000 But go ahead and roll that first clip.

00:15:34.000 Our country must also remain on the offensive against terrorism here at home.

00:15:39.000 The enemy has not lost the desire or capability to attack us.

00:15:45.000 Fortunately, this nation has superb professionals in law enforcement, intelligence, the military, and homeland security.

00:15:52.000 Okay.

00:15:53.000 That's good.

00:15:54.000 That's, again, Bush from the State of the Union.

00:15:56.000 The clip I want to play is the Bush line, the clip I sent you today.

00:16:02.000 Let's go ahead and roll that.

00:16:04.000 That was Bush, what, three days ago.

00:16:07.000 Tuesday night.

00:16:08.000 This is Bush six months ago.

00:16:10.000 Now remember, he said that they don't need warrants now, they never needed them, and it doesn't matter.

00:16:14.000 It's a violation of federal law.

00:16:15.000 He's above the law.

00:16:16.000 But here he is lying to you six months ago.

00:16:19.000 Here it is.

00:16:20.000 I'm not a lawyer.

00:16:22.000 So it's kind of hard for me to kind of get bogged down in the law.

00:16:30.000 I'm not going to play like one either.

00:16:33.000 So the first thing I want you to think about when you hear Patriot Act is that we changed the law and bureaucratic mindset to allow for the sharing of information.

00:16:43.000 It's vital.

00:16:44.000 And others will describe what that means.

00:16:47.000 Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps.

00:16:52.000 Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, a wiretap requires a court order.

00:17:02.000 Nothing has changed, by the way.

00:17:04.000 When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so.

00:17:10.000 It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland because we value the Constitution.

00:17:22.000 So with court order, law enforcement officials can now use What's called roving wiretaps, which will prevent a terrorist from switching cell phones in order to get a message out to one of his buddies.

00:17:34.000 Okay, so we'll air more of that later, but notice the Patriot Act didn't authorize the roving wiretaps.

00:17:40.000 That was already in place and being done for decades.

00:17:44.000 So that's number one lie.

00:17:45.000 Number two lie is he says we're not doing anything without court orders or warrants.

00:17:49.000 We all know that's a lie and we know that he had big debates in the White House and Colin Powell had said you could fall because of this, this is illegal and Bush had said no we're going to do it, I don't care, I'm above the law.

00:18:00.000 So we know he knows that he's lying when he said that.

00:18:04.000 Now he says I'm not going to wait to get a warrant to catch bin Laden if he's calling America and everybody goes wait a minute.

00:18:10.000 It's 72 hours!

00:18:13.000 72 hours after you do any wiretap or any warrantless search you want, then you've got to go to the FISA court.

00:18:20.000 And by the way, people keep saying, Alex, you've spent a month.

00:18:22.000 They can go to the FISA court after 72 hours and just say, ongoing investigation, and then a 20-plus day, what is it, 29-day extension is added.

00:18:32.000 On the 30th day, they've got to be back in there and then tell them supposedly at least something about the case.

00:18:37.000 So it really is 30 days.

00:18:39.000 So he gets up and says, if your pregnant wife's going into labor, we've all heard this, and driving to the hospital, do you call the judge first?

00:18:45.000 No!

00:18:46.000 I'm going to protect you now!

00:18:47.000 Well, that's a bald-faced lie, too.

00:18:49.000 It's like the head of the NSA last week on the National Press Club saying, the reporter says, hey, the Fourth Amendment says probable cause.

00:19:00.000 And the head of the NSA goes, no it doesn't, does not, does not say that, does not, says reasonable searches, and we're reasonably searching you without warrants.

00:19:09.000 But the Fourth Amendment does say probable cause in a warrant, with people swearing to what they've seen and what the government's specifically looking for.

00:19:15.000 And they're only allowed to seize while they're there what they're looking for, because the founders knew that government's more dangerous than any street-level thug, and better a thousand of them go free than we get a tyrannical government.

00:19:30.000 It's really that simple, and just the average American, they'll hear all this talk about, don't worry, we're protecting your Constitution.

00:19:36.000 Well, they don't know what the Constitution is, so Bush can be burning it, shredding it, spitting on it, using it as toilet paper, and the average person doesn't even know what the Constitution is, so how do they recognize that?

00:19:50.000 It is, it is unbelievable.

00:19:53.000 But we just showed you, what, three or four lies right there?

00:19:55.000 I mean, how many lies until you start to not trust these people?

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00:24:12.000 I said I'd air the audio of this little George Landia, Greater George Landia cartoon we've got up on PrisonPlanet.com right now.

00:24:19.000 I said I'd do it yesterday, never did.

00:24:20.000 So, here it is right now.

00:24:23.000 It's part and parcel.

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00:24:28.000 Go ahead and roll it.

00:24:32.000 Greater George Landia.

00:24:34.000 By the power vested in me, by myself and I, I can do whatever the heck I want.

00:24:42.000 I can spy on my subjects.

00:24:44.000 Right here in Greater Georgelandia.

00:24:47.000 Power to the people!

00:24:49.000 Heh heh.

00:24:51.000 I can start wars whenever I want to.

00:24:53.000 I'm the Emperor in Chief, remember?

00:24:56.000 God told me so.

00:24:59.000 I can lock people away in secret prisons and not even charge them with a crime.

00:25:04.000 The Emperor decides who is an enemy combatant.

00:25:07.000 Heh heh.

00:25:08.000 I can agree not to torture.

00:25:12.000 Hehe, just kidding.

00:25:13.000 I can do whatever the heck I want.

00:25:16.000 Thanks to my clever signing statement.

00:25:20.000 And, I can put Alito the Loyal on the court.

00:25:24.000 He supports my quest for a strong Greater Georgelandia.

00:25:30.000 Now look, 200 years is plenty long for a constitution.

00:25:34.000 It's time we said, out with the old, and in with the older.

00:25:39.000 Hehe.

00:25:41.000 I came, I saw, I did whatever the heck I wanted.

00:25:47.000 Well, yes, Greater Georgia-landia.

00:25:51.000 And that's exactly now what we have in this country.

00:25:54.000 And coming up in the third hour, Bush-Blair war provocation memo since warning to Iran.

00:26:00.000 Today's revelations that Tony Blair and George W. Bush Debated staging an act of provocation to goad Saddam Hussein into war sends a very clear warning as to how a pretext for a conflict with Iran could be manufactured.

00:26:14.000 It was reported today that Bush and Blair's 31st January White House meeting was a rubber stamp on the decision to go to war.

00:26:23.000 Irrespective of whether the United Nations had passed a new resolution authorizing the use of force.

00:26:29.000 However, this isn't the story.

00:26:31.000 As far back as 1999, there have even been elected George W. Bush, told his biographer before he was even elected that he thought it was his political destiny to invade Iraq.

00:26:43.000 We have hyperlinks to all of that.

00:26:44.000 The real story here is that Bush proposed flying a U-2 spy plane over Iraq and painting it with U.N.

00:26:51.000 colors, therefore goading Saddam to order the aircraft to be fired upon and resulting in a widespread U.N.

00:26:59.000 mandate for the war.

00:27:00.000 Again, people always ask, why would the government blow up its own vehicles?

00:27:04.000 Why would it bomb its own buildings?

00:27:05.000 Why would it try to get governments, foreign governments, to attack it as a pretext to go to war?

00:27:11.000 You see, this is like the Gulf of Tonkin.

00:27:13.000 Now declassified, now admitted.

00:27:15.000 We have the LBJ tapes.

00:27:16.000 The CIA admits it.

00:27:17.000 It's now 100% admitted.

00:27:19.000 100%.

00:27:20.000 They staged it.

00:27:21.000 Our ships went in there, I should say globalist ships, went in there, ships we paid for though, attacked the North Vietnamese in that peninsula. 0.98

00:27:30.000 They were smart enough not to fire back and even said in their papers that, hey, they were trying to get us to attack them and start the war.

00:27:36.000 When they didn't fire back, they got on the news and said that they had been attacked and that they hadn't even fired on them.

00:27:42.000 Imagine, you go shoot at somebody, then they're smart enough not to shoot back, then you go lie and say that they shot at you when you're the one that shot at them.

00:27:50.000 And then 58,000 Americans died and over a million plus Vietnamese.

00:27:54.000 But then in the same article, and they have the transcripts of this in the very same article, They go into Bush, let me just find the quotes here, saying that we can have a, quote, informant, a defector come out and say that he saw the WMDs.

00:28:14.000 And now they're just doing that retroactively with this former Iraqi general out saying that.

00:28:20.000 But here's Bush saying, lie!

00:28:23.000 We're going to lie and say that our witnesses have seen WMDs, not just that we think they're there, know they're there, but know that we've seen them, and we can stage this with an airplane. 0.92

00:28:34.000 But none of that was needed.

00:28:35.000 And then, of course, for months, what was it, three months before the main invasion, U.S.

00:28:39.000 and British warplanes bombed all over Iraq, quote, getting ready for the main invasion.

00:28:44.000 Imagine, and Iraq just laid there, while their airports and their bases, especially on the border with Syria, were bombed.

00:28:50.000 Remember that?

00:28:52.000 Imagine the country just lays there while it's being bombed.

00:28:54.000 Just laying there. 0.99

00:28:55.000 Look at the evil Iraqis. 1.00

00:28:57.000 You aren't taking that bomb right. 0.98

00:28:59.000 Smile and thank me for it.

00:29:01.000 Here's a 2,000 pound bomb.

00:29:03.000 Look at them. 0.65

00:29:04.000 They didn't come out and line their children up with a bomb to fall on them.

00:29:07.000 That's Al-Qaeda. 0.76

00:29:09.000 That's the WMD when they hide in shelters.

00:29:14.000 And you're hearing the same thing today.

00:29:15.000 If we attack Iran, why, they're saying they're gonna fight back. 0.99

00:29:19.000 Have you ever heard of such just insanity? 0.98

00:29:22.000 Man, they're barbarous. 0.92

00:29:23.000 Those barbarians, when we bomb them, they're saying they may fight back. 0.99

00:29:28.000 That is the most, greatest evil I've ever heard of in my lifetime. 0.96

00:29:33.000 This is absolutely despicable.

00:29:38.000 Imagine someone, when you bomb them, fighting back! 1.00

00:29:41.000 These people are beasts! 1.00

00:29:43.000 These people aren't even human! 1.00

00:29:46.000 Vicious! 0.88

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

00:29:53.000 The Empire's on the run.

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00:33:01.000 Well, Stella Castillo joins us in studio, Stella Castillo joins us in studio, and I've interviewed her many times, probably studio, and I've interviewed her many times, probably ten He's a fellow Texan.

00:33:25.000 I'm proud of that.

00:33:25.000 There's so many great Texans involved in the fight against corruption and the New World Order.

00:33:29.000 And I read his book about four years ago, and, I mean, you want something that's definitive proof of government-sponsored Drug dealing and terror against the American people, because that's what the drug war is, is a terror attack on the American people.

00:33:42.000 Powder Burns, Cocaine Contrast, and the Drug War is an incredibly powerful book, and it's by Sally Costello III and Dave Harmon, and I challenge everybody to go to Infowars.com and to get a copy of this.

00:33:56.000 We are now carrying it.

00:33:58.000 He just brought us, what, 200 of these today?

00:34:02.000 Sully just brought us 200 of these today in his truck, and so we've now got them right here at the Infowars Hacienda, right here at the Infowars bookstore and video store online for you at Infowars.com.

00:34:14.000 And we also have links to Sully's powerful website that is just amazing, and there's new material up there of some of the passports and photos of some of the people that Negroponte's death squads dealt with.

00:34:26.000 We're talking about women, children, husbands, and this vicious killer is now in control, this overlord is now in control of all intelligence.

00:34:35.000 Sully, it is a great honor to have you here with us today my friend.

00:34:39.000 Well thank you sir, thank you for having me.

00:34:41.000 You bet.

00:34:42.000 Listen, I know you don't like to talk about yourself.

00:34:44.000 Every time I try to get you to introduce yourself, you really just kind of glaze over it.

00:34:47.000 But I want you, for the radio audience and for the TV audience who will be watching this in the near future, spend about five minutes.

00:34:54.000 I mean, tell us, because it's important about your upbringing, your integrity, all the different positions you were in.

00:34:59.000 I mean, I really respect your amount of experience.

00:35:02.000 And then being inside that situation, Well, first of all, I do come from a very patriotic family.

00:35:09.000 Third generation here in the United States.

00:35:10.000 than I think you ever did in the past.

00:35:12.000 So, Sully, tell us about Sully Castillo and your life.

00:35:16.000 Well, first of all, I do come from a very patriotic family, third generation here in the United States.

00:35:24.000 My father is a World War II veteran, and as the only son, to show how patriotic we were, he instructed me to go into the military, and, of course, that was devastating for my mom because how can you send our only son into war?

00:35:40.000 And I went into Vietnam and served my country proudly and came back, went to school, graduated, became a police officer.

00:35:48.000 And, you know, I was educated very highly on what it took to be a patriot.

00:35:54.000 And I continued to serve my country by being a police officer, a detective sergeant.

00:36:00.000 And in 1979, one of the very few Latino agents was hired by the DEA.

00:36:05.000 And, of course, my first assignment was in New York City.

00:36:08.000 And after doing four years in New York City, I was assigned to Central and South America, where I got involved in searching and destroying missions on coca fields and marijuana plantations, opium plantations and so forth.

00:36:22.000 And it was an eradication program we had going up there.

00:36:25.000 But let's see, you're just glazing over all this.

00:36:27.000 Let's go back to your sniper activity in Vietnam.

00:36:30.000 Right.

00:36:31.000 My last couple of few months in Vietnam, I was I was volunteered to be a sniper in Vietnam and I got on the job training in Vietnam and we would go out there into Laos and Cambodia and do some sniping for our unit.

00:36:51.000 And basically a lot of people think that back in 1971 was almost the close of the war and it wasn't because we were very few that were left in there and we were trying to do as much as we could with what little we had.

00:37:03.000 Kind of a rear guard?

00:37:04.000 I was an infantry sergeant.

00:37:06.000 I had my own squad going out there and doing all kinds of covert operations and became a sniper and I was trained there and went straight into doing some covert operations for my unit in Cambodia.

00:37:22.000 So that experience and also your high test scores, you moved up quickly once you became a police officer.

00:37:29.000 Then you became a DEA officer and went right into, as you said, searching and destroying missions there.

00:37:34.000 Well, basically what happened, the DEA at that time had an operation called Operation Snowcap.

00:37:34.000 Tell us about that.

00:37:40.000 And it was like a paramilitary DEA agents going out there training basically the death squads.

00:37:47.000 And, uh, we used those S.A.T.S.

00:37:48.000 squads to go out there and fight the so-called narco-terrorist units, uh, cells that were in, uh, in the jungles of South America and Central America.

00:38:00.000 When did you start, and of course you've met George Bush, you've met all these people, I mean tell us specifically how high you rose in the DEA, and then let's go through your awakening when you really started to see the government control of the narcotics trade.

00:38:14.000 Well basically it was when we started training the death squads, I realized that there was something wrong with What we were doing, and I was in denial at the beginning, and secondly, I was trying to justify what they were doing.

00:38:28.000 And, you know, all my life I wanted to be a drug agent, and, you know, when I left Vietnam, I promised myself that if I did survive that war, I would be a federal drug agent, which I did.

00:38:37.000 But when I came to Central America and South America, I realized for the first time that I came into contradictions on my assignment.

00:38:45.000 And basically, we turned out to be the bad guys.

00:38:47.000 We were actually the guys who were getting away with murder.

00:38:50.000 And we were out there training dead squads instead of fighting the so-called war on drugs.

00:38:55.000 And it was in Salvador, Guatemala, when I finally realized that the United States government was heavily involved in drug trafficking.

00:39:03.000 And it was in January of 1986 where I met George Bush Sr.

00:39:09.000 at the cocktail party at the Ambassador's Residence, another Cuban by the name of Piedra.

00:39:15.000 Who's a Cuban fighter, you know, fighting against Cuba.

00:39:19.000 And at that time, they brought in a lot of Cubans from the Miami area to help set up covert operations into Central America.

00:39:28.000 And that's when I told George Bush myself that, you know, he came up to me and asked me what was my assignment in Central America.

00:39:34.000 And I basically told him that I was the one that was covering El Salvador and that we had received a lot of reliable information that the Contras themselves were heavily involved in drug trafficking at El Pango Airport.

00:39:45.000 And I may have mentioned that I met Felix Rodriguez and Oliver North and so forth.

00:39:50.000 He just smiled, shook my hand and walked away from me.

00:39:52.000 So I knew then and there that my government was complicit in drug trafficking.

00:39:56.000 So, I mean, it's your chance.

00:39:58.000 You're getting to talk to, I guess, Vice President at that time.

00:40:01.000 Yes, he was Vice President at that time.

00:40:02.000 So, I mean, here you are, this high-level DEA officer, the head of those operations interfacing with the military for Latin America, and you've got this chance to talk to George Bush, You bring this up to him and he just smiles and walks off.

00:40:19.000 Exactly.

00:40:20.000 That confirmed to me that Mike Gowron was involved in this atrocity.

00:40:24.000 The second confirmation was that later that afternoon he met with George Bush and Negroponte and the other guys that came in from the surrounding areas and they met at the third floor of the U.S.

00:40:37.000 Embassy that's known as the Bubble.

00:40:39.000 And they were discussing the Iran-Contra operations and drug smuggling and so forth.

00:40:44.000 The reason I know that is because there was a colonel, a U.S.

00:40:46.000 colonel by the name of George Hooker, who told me exactly what the meeting was all about.

00:40:52.000 So, tell us what year that was, because then you began to learn more and more.

00:40:57.000 Things started to accelerate.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, I was 80.

00:41:00.000 I got into Central America and South America in 84.

00:41:03.000 And in 86 I met Bush.

00:41:05.000 In 87 I was still running operations.

00:41:08.000 After 1991, I was there for close to five years, a little bit more than five years, and I saw all the atrocities, all the training.

00:41:17.000 We brought in the mercenaries.

00:41:20.000 For example, we brought in mercenaries from Venezuela.

00:41:23.000 They all worked for the contract labor for the CIA, and they were the ones that were killing a lot of the people and getting involved in, you know, setting up Uh, spend operations on killing people and blame it on the guerrillas and so forth.

00:41:38.000 Now, it's a problem, reaction, solution, right?

00:41:41.000 You do something bad and blame it on somebody.

00:41:41.000 Exactly.

00:41:43.000 That's right.

00:41:44.000 And one of the incidents was in 1989 where the Jesuit priest were murdered.

00:41:50.000 Three of them and three of the ladies, the nuns, and a couple of kids.

00:41:54.000 And they went in there and they massacred those people and then they turn around and blame it on the FMLN.

00:42:01.000 That the guerrilla group and the only reason he was exposed that there was an American advisor with him in the group that couldn't live with himself and came into the United States and told the whole story and wrote the story on who actually did the murders.

00:42:18.000 And I was myself part of the plan at the, who meet at the Sheraton Hotel The Sheraton Hotel and one of the captains that was involved in the murders set up the whole blueprint of how they were going to do it.

00:42:33.000 Really?

00:42:34.000 So when did you learn of that?

00:42:35.000 Well, I learned it because when I went to Salvador, I would always meet with them because they were supposed to be our counterparts from the Atlacat, the Special Forces Salvadorian.

00:42:47.000 They were very well known to go out there and kill a lot of people.

00:42:50.000 And there was a special unit that was trained by our special forces from Delta Force to the A-Team that went in there and they trained those people on how to go out there and kill counterintelligence units and so forth.

00:43:03.000 And to be clear, because I've studied this, obviously I didn't live it like you have, but I've interviewed a lot of other folks who were there, and they've mirrored what you're saying, just from different perspectives and angles, that most of the time it wasn't even really even killing their so-called enemies.

00:43:13.000 They would, a lot of times, just go kill innocent people, kill little kids, and go, oh look, the terrorists did this.

00:43:20.000 Exactly.

00:43:20.000 Especially every time the funding came up with Congress to try to to fund the so-called covert war, or the counter war, that would set up some kind of big operation where innocent people get killed and blame it on the guerrillas.

00:43:37.000 Did you ever talk to these guys and go, "How do you kill?" Say, "How do you slit a little five-year-old boy's throat?" You know, I did that.

00:43:44.000 Believe it or not, I asked an agent, CIA agent, by the name of Randy Kapster.

00:43:48.000 He says, "How can you guys do this and get away?" Look, we own these third world countries.

00:43:53.000 We elect the presidents.

00:43:55.000 No, but I mean, it's like Project Gladio. 0.99

00:43:59.000 They admit, and it's an army field training manual, kill kids. 0.89

00:44:03.000 That really will make the people get mad. 0.98

00:44:05.000 How do you go blow up a school bus with little kids? 1.00

00:44:07.000 How do you take a little five-year-old and slit their throat as they're jerking in your arms?

00:44:10.000 And their thing was business as usual in Central and South America. 0.98

00:44:13.000 It's just killing little kids. 1.00

00:44:15.000 We've been doing business like this for many, many years and nobody We'll never stop us.

00:44:19.000 But I'm talking about their souls.

00:44:20.000 Oh, their souls.

00:44:22.000 They've gone beyond the point of return.

00:44:26.000 You can see it in their eyes.

00:44:27.000 You know, we had one guy that was in there for 10 years at Guardia Hacienda Billy.

00:44:35.000 That's all he did, ran counterintelligence and went out there on covert operation, killed a whole bunch of innocent people.

00:44:42.000 You know, that makes me angry.

00:44:43.000 It doesn't even make me scared.

00:44:44.000 You know, they've got armies of these bloodthirsty killers and now one of their captains is running most of our government. 0.94

00:44:51.000 It makes me get so angry to know that they've set up this system and they're so arrogant. 0.84

00:44:56.000 I think they're always going to get away with it.

00:44:58.000 I want to fast forward.

00:44:58.000 You told me a year and a half ago on this broadcast and the transcripts are up there, the audio is up there.

00:45:05.000 You said they're hiring Latin American death squads, the commanders or the low-level men from 20 years ago, 15 years ago, and they're making them captains and sending them to Iraq.

00:45:15.000 And I thought, well, Sally always tells the truth.

00:45:17.000 That must be true, but I didn't have any documentation.

00:45:20.000 Now it's been in Latin American papers, six months later, and then now in the last five months, it's been in US and British papers that thousands of quote, great anti-communist fighters of the 70s and 80s are all going to Iraq, and then it turns out they're the ones in there raping these little kids in front of their parents.

00:45:38.000 Then John Yoo In a debate with Professor Castle up in Chicago, and we had the professor on, we even have the audio of it, he says, you wrote in memos, White House memos, that you can order the torture of children in front of their parents.

00:45:52.000 And John, you said, yes, we can do that.

00:45:54.000 Now they're admitting they torture children.

00:45:55.000 I mean, what can we do?

00:45:57.000 Well, you know, the sad thing about it, when Miguel Aponte was the ambassador in Honduras and in El Salvador, and as you know right now, El Salvador is the only Latin American country that's got troops in Iraq.

00:46:09.000 Now, the guy who was in charge of the death squads in El Salvador was a U.S.

00:46:14.000 colonel named James Steele.

00:46:16.000 He was an officer's officer.

00:46:17.000 He's the one that set up the whole Operation Phoenix blueprints into El Salvador.

00:46:23.000 And now, Colonel Steele is in Iraq running the commandos.

00:46:27.000 With the Salvadorian military that's up there now.

00:46:30.000 So it's the same blueprints I used in Vietnam.

00:46:32.000 They brought it into Guatemala and Salvador and it worked perfectly.

00:46:35.000 Now they've taken it into Iraq where they're going to implement the same tactics that they used in Guatemala and it's commandos going out there killing people.

00:46:45.000 What has changed, though, because back in the 70s and 80s they would deny all this.

00:46:48.000 Now John Yoo, who's the counterpart of Alberto Gonzales, who also wrote memos similar to this, saying Bush is above the law, but Yoo went further than Gonzales.

00:46:57.000 He said we can commit genocide.

00:46:58.000 This is in the memo.

00:47:00.000 And this is public.

00:47:00.000 This is in the newspaper.

00:47:01.000 We covered it last week. 0.99

00:47:03.000 They said we can, quote, torture small children in front of their parents and crush their, I don't want to say it, their genitalia in front of them. 0.99

00:47:12.000 They should all be arrested right now. 0.99

00:47:14.000 I mean, what does that say about them that they're now announcing it openly?

00:47:17.000 Well, they're admitting that what happened ten years ago...

00:47:23.000 And the sad thing about it that I remember when Bush Jr.

00:47:26.000 came into being president, he denied the National Archives to release the documents at the time period that Reagan and Bush were involved in Central America.

00:47:36.000 And the reason they're being sealed right now is because he won't release them even though Congress has passed a law that says you've got to release all documents after 10 years.

00:47:45.000 And he will not release him because it's going to implicate his father and Reagan involving in drug trafficking and all these atrocities.

00:47:53.000 Well I want to personalize this.

00:47:54.000 When they would kill little kids in different villages and then leave their bodies laying out saying that other people done it, now again the documents are out, the witnesses are there, it's admitted that it was the death squads doing it.

00:48:05.000 I mean, what would they specifically... I mean, I know they'd shoot him, they'd stab him.

00:48:09.000 I mean, would they do the stuff that John Yu is talking about? 0.95

00:48:11.000 Would they torture the kids in front of the parents? 0.96

00:48:13.000 Exactly.

00:48:14.000 And, you know, it's so familiar because I see it today on the drug war where agents will go up there and they can't find anything on the main guy, so they use the wife or the kids to arrest him and try to get the father to commit that he was involved in drug trafficking.

00:48:32.000 They've said in Iraq that they're kidnapping whole villages of women and children and they make the men come in and admit they're terrorists.

00:48:39.000 Exactly.

00:48:40.000 And they're using the family to get back to the sympathizers, I guess.

00:48:46.000 That's pure mafia terrorism.

00:48:48.000 That's organized, that's racketeering, organized crime.

00:48:51.000 I mean, you can tell these people have conspired to genocide a whole group of people up there.

00:48:57.000 I want to get more into the drug dealing, more into your amazing book, Powder Burns, Cocaine Conquers and the Drug War, a must-have.

00:49:03.000 But to the police officers listening right now, to the CIA people, because they call me, I get emails, most of them are on our side now.

00:49:10.000 To everybody out there listening, what do you want to say to them about what they've got to do to stop this?

00:49:14.000 Because it's clear that they're meaning to do all this here in America.

00:49:18.000 And you said that a year and a half ago on this show, and now I have the Houston Chronicle where they're reporting that Halliburton's going to run camps in America.

00:49:26.000 Exactly, and they're getting away with it.

00:49:29.000 The martial law will probably kick in in a few years or so.

00:49:32.000 But police officers are going to realize that violating civil rights under the Fourth Amendment, where you can stop a vehicle and the guy doesn't give you permission to search a vehicle, then you call the canines to come and do your job. then you call the canines to come and do your That's illegal, that's profiling, and you know, you can't be doing that.

00:49:54.000 What's going to happen, most citizens now are going to file civil suits against police departments, they're going to lose a lot of money, and a lot of police officers think that they can get away, well they're going to sue the department.

00:50:05.000 No, they will sue you individually.

00:50:08.000 And they will take your retirement, they will take whatever you have, monetary values, and the courts are going to rule.

00:50:16.000 And the President of the United States has said one time since, you know, racial profile is illegal in this country.

00:50:23.000 Well, more than even just racial profiling, you mentioned martial law.

00:50:27.000 I mean, let's say the same group of criminals sets off an A-bomb in a city and then says, we've got to have martial law to keep you safe.

00:50:33.000 When we get back, I mean, I want to hear you specifically give the police your take on what they should do when they're asked to do unconstitutional things, criminal things like they ask you to do.

00:50:43.000 And you said no, Selly Costello is our guest.

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00:53:57.000 All right, my friends, we're here back live with our guest, Stella we're here back live with our guest, Stella Castillo.

00:54:21.000 She's been with us for the entire broadcast today.

00:54:24.000 Now another two hours.

00:54:25.000 Even in the third hour we have a guest coming on who broke the big news over on national television yesterday from inside the government about Bush and of course Blair thinking of ways to provocateur Saddam into doing something so they could invade and then Bush also in the memos.

00:54:41.000 Snickers and laughs and talks about how they can just have some of their quote defectors lie and say that they found WMDs.

00:54:49.000 I mean just right there lying again.

00:54:54.000 So you've been studying this for a long, long time.

00:54:57.000 It just seems like the same crew has gotten away with so much stuff all over the world that now they think they can get away with it here.

00:55:06.000 And you've talked a lot about that in the past.

00:55:08.000 Can you speak to that now?

00:55:09.000 Yeah, basically the same crew.

00:55:10.000 If you look at Elliot Abrams, Negro Ponte, Oliver North, all those people are the same people that are still working at the White House. 0.98

00:55:20.000 Abrams is in charge of the Middle East now.

00:55:23.000 And you know, he was convicted, so was Oliver North, convicted felon and so forth.

00:55:28.000 But the same crew, and I call them the same terror cell, that was back in the 80s, they were in Vietnam, remember that?

00:55:34.000 Going back to Vietnam where Felix Rodriguez and Oliver North were.

00:55:37.000 And they came into Central America, and now they're in Iraq. 0.99

00:55:42.000 And they're continuing to conduct these atrocities.

00:55:48.000 But George Bush is a good Christian man, and Oliver North, we've had him on the show.

00:55:51.000 He's so friendly and nice.

00:55:54.000 They're not involved in anything bad.

00:55:56.000 Let's specifically get into government drug trafficking.

00:56:00.000 Explain to us how the drug war really works and who really controls drugs.

00:56:04.000 Because people say, well, if they're shipping it in, then why do they put my kid in jail when he gets caught with some cocaine?

00:56:11.000 Explain how that works to people.

00:56:12.000 Well, basically, a lot of people would think, well, they're making money for covert operations, but the bottom line is they were lining their own pockets.

00:56:21.000 And when I say their own pockets, I'm talking about Felix Rodriguez, Oliver North, Bush Sr., and so forth.

00:56:27.000 And the reason why is, for example, when Oliver North sold those missiles to Iran, that large for three times the amount of the money that were valued, he kept that money and put it in the Swiss bank account.

00:56:40.000 He put it under his wife's name, Betsy North, and we found $10 million in the Swiss bank account.

00:56:46.000 And we took that from him.

00:56:49.000 And, of course, when he ran for U.S. Senate back in '94, he had $36 million.

00:56:55.000 He had money to run for president.

00:56:57.000 Where did he get all that money?

00:56:58.000 And of course, you know, I documented, uh, El Pondo Airport, Hangars 4 and 5 that was owned and operated by the CIA.

00:57:06.000 We took pictures of the loads coming in of cocaine, uh, arms coming in and going, and so forth.

00:57:11.000 By the way, we have those photos.

00:57:12.000 We're going to be putting those in this TV report.

00:57:15.000 Exactly.

00:57:16.000 And, you know, uh, we have memos where North, uh, is, uh, said in the DC, uh, Three to Honduras to pick up cocaine paste or to South America and bring it back.

00:57:28.000 Well, you know, from the other end of this, we've had Terry Reid up at MENA in Arkansas, the CIA officer, just there to train pilots, and he's there watching them unload cocaine, and he mentions all the same names.

00:57:38.000 Exactly.

00:57:39.000 It's just Bill Clinton also involved.

00:57:40.000 Exactly.

00:57:41.000 Well, you know, there's an old saying that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks, because Clinton was governor at the time.

00:57:48.000 and when this covert operation was being run out of Salvador into Mena, Arkansas.

00:57:53.000 So, you know, there is evidence to show.

00:57:57.000 But some people say, but wait, I saw him do a drug bust.

00:58:00.000 Those are the little cartels that aren't paying their cut.

00:58:03.000 Exactly, they're not paying their tax or getting their permission.

00:58:06.000 Can you explain how that works?

00:58:08.000 Well, basically there's one major monster head that runs the whole operation.

00:58:14.000 They're the ones that are in contact with the major cartels in Colombia and with the Medellin and the Cali cartel at the time.

00:58:23.000 And basically they want to play ball with the United States.

00:58:28.000 They took them out.

00:58:29.000 And one great example is Noriega.

00:58:31.000 Noriega has been a CIA asset for many years.

00:58:33.000 Stay there.

00:58:34.000 We've got to start the second hour.

00:58:36.000 We'll get right into how this thing really works when we return.

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00:59:43.000 We'll reintroduce our guest coming up here for the next segment.

00:59:46.000 Highly decorated Marine Corps, excuse me, Army veteran.

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00:59:52.000 And then of course, police officer, police detective, DEA in Latin America, New York.

00:59:56.000 Saw the government's control, that is elements of the government's control of the narcotics trade.

01:00:02.000 And we're getting into this right now, how this works, how when they go bust somebody.

01:00:06.000 I've talked to people that have run the spray planes.

01:00:08.000 And I've had family that have lived in these areas back during the 70s and 80s.

01:00:12.000 And they totally concur with what Selly talks about.

01:00:15.000 But today, with the FARC, the so-called communist guerrillas in Colombia, they have GPS on the planes.

01:00:22.000 They'll spray one field, but don't touch this field.

01:00:25.000 And they go in and only hit the people that aren't part of their drug cartels' system.

01:00:31.000 So literally, the war on drugs is the war on the CIA and the banks around it, their business.

01:00:38.000 Selly, is that accurate?

01:00:39.000 Absolutely.

01:00:39.000 I've always said that.

01:00:40.000 Can you specifically talk to them?

01:00:42.000 You know, when they... Basically what it is, is that if we were to stop drug trafficking tomorrow, our banking systems will collapse.

01:00:42.000 Absolutely.

01:00:50.000 That's how much the United States government depends on drug money. 0.84

01:00:53.000 And it comes from the U.S., comes in from Mexico, from South America, and so forth, and people that do not Play ball with the United States and the drug trafficking, and I was giving you an example earlier on Noriega.

01:01:07.000 You know, Noriega had dealt, laundered money for the cartels for many years.

01:01:11.000 And when he refused to train the Contras in Panama, then George Bush Sr.

01:01:15.000 took him out.

01:01:16.000 And he's now the only prisoner of war in the United States, and they won't release him.

01:01:22.000 But that's what happens to people that go against our government in third world countries.

01:01:28.000 Well, they were getting angry at him.

01:01:29.000 He was buying palaces in Switzerland bigger than theirs.

01:01:32.000 Exactly.

01:01:33.000 There was plenty of money to go around and they knew that.

01:01:36.000 They were so scared that he knew where all the skeletons were buried in the United States government and that's why they picked him up and locked him up and won't release him.

01:01:46.000 And he doesn't even get a trial.

01:01:47.000 It's just he's gone.

01:01:50.000 Don't discuss him.

01:01:51.000 Exactly.

01:01:52.000 You know, I think they tried to release him a couple of years ago, and Bush Sr.

01:01:56.000 said, no, don't release him, because I'm scared for my life.

01:01:59.000 Well, it's the same thing here in the United States.

01:02:02.000 I talk to a lot of police detectives here on air, and they talk about how every time they get up into money laundering or drug dealing, it's just there's certain drug dealers, they're told, leave them alone.

01:02:11.000 Exactly.

01:02:12.000 In the Valley, you know, we've got more banks than we do Circle K's or Sammy Lennon's.

01:02:17.000 We've got more car dealerships.

01:02:19.000 They started out involving drug trafficking and now they're monstrous in the dealerships and the U.S.

01:02:26.000 government will not touch them.

01:02:29.000 Later, I want to talk about Los Zetas and these other groups, which, again, everything you've said on this broadcast, Sully, has turned out to then be in the mainstream news.

01:02:37.000 Los Zetas, rocket attacks, blowing up cars, killing people in Texas, police.

01:02:42.000 And the media keeps it on the lowdown, though.

01:02:44.000 It's like something you're not supposed to hear about, because, really, these guys are the muscle for the boys in the White House, aren't they?

01:02:51.000 Well, exactly.

01:02:52.000 And they've got a blueprint going right now for the United States government.

01:02:56.000 I want to go over this slowly when we get back.

01:02:58.000 of the oil supplies down in Chiapas.

01:03:00.000 A lot of people laugh at me when I say that, but that's what they're doing.

01:03:03.000 They're using the chaos in Laredo, in El Laredo with all the killings and everything.

01:03:08.000 When they come in, they're gonna use drug trafficking and corruption to take over the land in Mexico. - You know, I wanna go over this slowly when we get back, Sully.

01:03:17.000 I wanna explain how this works because when I see big White House controlled foundations funding the La Reconquista's and others, What they don't get is, that's just the spin they're going to use.

01:03:29.000 Oh yeah, Mexico's merging with America.

01:03:32.000 No, that's, and then there'll be this hype, you know, this, oh yeah, look, you know.

01:03:37.000 When in reality, it's U.S.

01:03:39.000 corporations are just going to run Mexico and they're going to merge it. 1.00

01:03:41.000 Exactly, and that's basically what's going to happen.

01:03:44.000 Yeah, and then the spin's going to be, it's a La Reconquista, and when it's the complete opposite.

01:03:48.000 We'll be right back, stay with us.

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01:09:37.000 But I want to now move to just Texas to give people a view of what's happening Sally.

01:09:42.000 If you can go through You know, we hear the so-called Mexican radio here in Texas praising, haha, it's so funny, the Los Zetas, it's a La Reconquista, you know, the Chicanos are taking over Texas, the Guadalupe Hidalgo treaty is going to be thrown down, but then I went and looked, it's all big neocon money, and I didn't, I wasn't even I'm aware of the fact that you knew this during the break. 0.53

01:10:07.000 You were more aware of it than I was.

01:10:09.000 We're actually funding to stir all this up and the CFR comes out and says, we're going to merge Latin America with the U.S.

01:10:16.000 and then they're telling the people in Mexico, oh no, you're taking America over when in reality Manhattan and D.C.

01:10:22.000 are taking Mexico over and they're using Los Zetas military teams trained at Fort Benning and other places To go out and enforce and go out and kill the other drug dealers that aren't paying their cut into the U.S.

01:10:36.000 government-controlled dominant cartels.

01:10:38.000 Now, Sully, you talked about this a year-plus ago on this broadcast.

01:10:42.000 Now, pieces of that have come out in the mainstream news, just like pieces of you talking about how they're hiring by the thousands death squad soldiers from Iran-Contra for Iraq that had been in no newspapers.

01:10:55.000 Now, it's in American newspapers.

01:10:57.000 So can you go through what's really happening?

01:11:00.000 Well, basically, Texas is going to be the front line of the so-called war on drugs.

01:11:08.000 The United States has controlled Mexico already for many, many years.

01:11:11.000 And one of the issues, for example, is propaganda.

01:11:17.000 And the way they're doing it is there's a guy like, for example, named Luis de la Garza, who runs a big radio station in Dallas.

01:11:25.000 He used to do the Spanish programs for the Texas Rangers when Bush was president of the Texas Rangers.

01:11:31.000 And basically he has now brought in all the money from Mexico to go out on the Southwest and buy all the radio stations so they can use that as propaganda for the Latino votes that's coming up for the next election. 0.58

01:11:45.000 And that's how they're doing it.

01:11:47.000 They're buying little bits and pieces.

01:11:49.000 They're using a whole bunch of stuff just to bring in from Mexico like the centers that are being trained in the US, not in Mexico.

01:11:58.000 The centers are being trained in ranches in South Texas.

01:12:03.000 And to justify my allegations, you got the Caibiles, the special forces units in Guatemala that I trained are now being trained, training the Cetas up here in South Texas.

01:12:18.000 So we got all those people that used to work for the United States government in those dirt world countries are now, they're bringing in those special forces guys in to fight with the Cetas. 0.80

01:12:26.000 And so they're going to use a widening drug war in the Southwest as the cover for covert operations.

01:12:32.000 And then they're going to use it as an example or as a spin to try to take over Mexico because, you know, you've got Mexico that's got the minerals and the gas and the oil down in...

01:12:32.000 Exactly.

01:12:43.000 We're hearing Haliburton's going to have to build FEMA centers for the drug war, for the illegals, and for bad American citizens all over Texas.

01:12:52.000 Oh, and you said that on the show.

01:12:53.000 You said everything Negroponte did with death camps, all of it, they're going to do it here.

01:12:58.000 And, Sully, it's happening.

01:12:59.000 Exactly.

01:12:59.000 It's happening, and you can see the way that That the government is reacting.

01:13:06.000 They're reacting to the same spin they did back in the 80s and the 90s and they're doing it again.

01:13:11.000 So spell this out for us.

01:13:12.000 We've talked proudly on the phone and we've done interviews a year ago, so I'm not putting words in your mouth.

01:13:15.000 I want you to specifically go over it.

01:13:17.000 I mean, if this is correct, tell me so.

01:13:22.000 If not, correct me and then state it for us, just so we get it in your words.

01:13:28.000 They're masters at creating crises.

01:13:30.000 They go higher using former death squad commanders and the people trained by our military, yourself.

01:13:35.000 They take them into Texas and other areas.

01:13:39.000 They train them.

01:13:40.000 They then go out and start killing all the other drug dealers or police or others that won't play ball. 0.91

01:13:44.000 They rocket attack the U.S.

01:13:46.000 mission in Nuevo Laredo.

01:13:49.000 The State Department says it's more dangerous down there than the West Bank of Israel.

01:13:52.000 Travel advisories.

01:13:53.000 They let this breed and breed and breed and breed and breed and get worse and worse and worse and worse.

01:13:59.000 And then once it gets to this point, then they start bringing in more of a type of martial law type scenario into this entire region.

01:14:08.000 And really the whole thing is their smokescreen to knock out their competition.

01:14:11.000 Exactly.

01:14:13.000 What's going on now, remember for many, many years there's been drug trafficking.

01:14:20.000 But we've never seen it to the extent it's happening in Laredo where people are getting killed left and right.

01:14:23.000 Innocent people are getting killed left and right.

01:14:26.000 So they are building a chaos and they're going to use, once it gets so big, they're going to bring the troops in to the borders.

01:14:33.000 They're going to use all federal agencies from park, wildlife and so forth to Start buying them night vision equipment and building up militias to go into the borders and start, you know, killing people so they can say it's the Setas and it's the drug traffickers and now they've got a $30,000 bounty on any border patrol guy they kill and so forth. 0.86

01:14:59.000 So, you know, they're building up this whole thing as an excuse to come in and take over Mexico. 0.95

01:15:04.000 Just like they put Saddam into power and built all that up. 0.93

01:15:06.000 Just like they put Bin Laden into power and built that up. 0.97

01:15:09.000 Just like they create the enemies and then knock them down.

01:15:13.000 And then meanwhile, all these people I hear running around waving Mexican flags going, La Reconquista.

01:15:17.000 And then I go look at where that funding's coming from.

01:15:19.000 It's coming out of the White House and the big foundations to get us all fighting with each other.

01:15:24.000 How do we circumvent that and communicate with the public, you know, to all Americans and people in this country that this is being manipulated?

01:15:31.000 Well, it's education.

01:15:33.000 You know, and you've got to educate the public.

01:15:35.000 You've got to get more radio stations that go out there and talk about what really is going on in this country.

01:15:41.000 Because if you don't, if you bury your head in the sand, that's not going to help nobody.

01:15:45.000 You know, and I've always said, you know, it's kind of late to save ourselves and maybe save our kids.

01:15:50.000 But it's not too late to save our grandkids.

01:15:52.000 Because those are the ones that are going to be standing there trying to find a way to survive.

01:15:57.000 You know, I agree with you.

01:15:58.000 The system's going to crash.

01:15:59.000 It's going to get worse and worse.

01:16:00.000 It always has happened throughout history, but we can lessen how bad the crash is going to be and how long it's going to go for.

01:16:07.000 And so we need people to know who the real criminals are, so as things get worse and worse, and everything we say comes true, as everything we said in the past has come true, not because we're geniuses, folks, we just know what's going on, people will then at least realize who is truly to blame.

01:16:22.000 Because these globalists are also masters at doing really bad things, and then again, blaming it on somebody else.

01:16:28.000 Exactly, and once you do that, then people say, "Okay, they were the real guys, they were the bad guys." When in fact, we said we were the ones that get away with murder.

01:16:37.000 We go out there and we just genocide any country that we want.

01:16:41.000 We did it with Iran, and we gave Hussein the chemicals to gas Iran. 0.99

01:16:49.000 Because he was working for us at that time period.

01:16:51.000 Every major terrorist has been trained by the United States government.

01:16:54.000 And then it's admitted that there were CIA advisors.

01:16:57.000 The reason there's film footage of all those people that were nerve gassed by the Iranians and by the Iraqis in those gas wars is because the CIA admittedly was there videotaping it.

01:17:06.000 They trained the pilots how to spray.

01:17:08.000 Well yeah, they do that a lot because I remember the operation we had in Guatemala Randy Capser filmed the whole murders of the deaths, the rapes, the torturing of the girls in Guatemala. 0.53

01:17:21.000 And they've always, I remember where they, at one time, they brought in all Latin America and European intelligence officers into Guatemala to train on new tactics on how to torture people.

01:17:36.000 And they videotaped the whole thing.

01:17:38.000 They even brought in a couple of human specimens to show how long they last being tortured different ways.

01:17:46.000 And all that was filmed by Randy.

01:17:50.000 And by the way, ten years ago they denied this.

01:17:53.000 Now it's just admitted and they go, yeah, we're torturing people and we're torturing our kids in front of them.

01:17:57.000 We got training manuals and yeah, we've even had special forces commanders on who admitted that, well now it's admitted that Fort Benning, Georgia, that they train how to torture up there.

01:18:08.000 The School of the Americas has been going on for many, many years and we've been trying to protest this school every year, every November we go out there And I was going to cross the line this year, but I had a lot of people telling me that... Well, they're putting people in jail with felonies for that now.

01:18:22.000 Yeah, you know, you do six months to a year in jail if you cross that line.

01:18:26.000 But people were telling me, you know, we need you better out here to educate the students and the public instead of being locked up for another year.

01:18:33.000 So... Yeah, don't let them get you in jail.

01:18:35.000 They'd probably kill you in there.

01:18:37.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:18:37.000 That's probably what's going to happen to me. 0.99

01:18:39.000 But, you know, I took an oath a long time ago to protect the Constitution of the United States and the citizens.

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01:23:25.000 Shelley, before we went into that last break, you were talking about being on borrowed time, and talking to Colonel Craig Roberts, who was a sniper in Vietnam, just like you were, said that his Baptist grandpa, who was a preacher, said, Son, believe me, God's going to take you home when he means to, so if you're not meant to die, you're not going to.

01:23:43.000 And we're all on borrowed time, so you don't worry about dying, basically.

01:23:47.000 And that's the point of view I've taken. 0.99

01:23:49.000 I mean, we've got scumbag criminals running things. 0.99

01:23:52.000 I'm going to live on my feet. 0.99

01:23:54.000 I'm not going to cower to bullies.

01:23:55.000 Plus, when you cower to bullies, you always get abused even more than when you stand up and at least give them a fight.

01:24:00.000 You may not even win every time, or ever, but they're going to move on if they know.

01:24:05.000 It's like the old don't tread on me flag.

01:24:07.000 You know, don't step on me, I'm going to bite you.

01:24:10.000 And you know what? 0.96

01:24:10.000 You may beat me in the end, but you know what? 0.96

01:24:12.000 You're not going to come out of this easy.

01:24:14.000 And that's absolutely right.

01:24:16.000 Every whistleblower knows that you speak to will tell you that it's gotten worse for them than before they blew the whistle on the government.

01:24:25.000 And it will continue to get worse on everybody that blows a whistle.

01:24:28.000 But, you know, you make your peace with God.

01:24:30.000 And you come out and you know probably what the end's going to be, but you continue to fight because somebody's got to carry that flag.

01:24:37.000 You know, somebody's got to push forward and go out there and educate the people who these people really are.

01:24:43.000 We wouldn't have any freedom if it wasn't for all those people before us that stood up and fought against corruption.

01:24:48.000 And you know, it took a handful to start a revolution in this country and basically we are a handful right now of patriots that really love their country and are willing to die for our country.

01:25:00.000 Do you think the globalists, these global crime syndicates that are operating, these crime families, It seems like they've gotten so wild now, like they think they're invincible and that they can never get caught because they're getting more and more sloppy.

01:25:12.000 Because everything they're doing is being revealed.

01:25:15.000 It's their attitude.

01:25:17.000 They really don't care what anybody thinks.

01:25:20.000 And it's amazing to go out there and stamp out the Constitution.

01:25:25.000 Uh, and do whatever they want to do and get away with it.

01:25:27.000 And Randy Capser once told me, he says, look, we've been doing this for years.

01:25:30.000 Nobody's ever going to stop the CIA from doing what they want to do.

01:25:34.000 And he's absolutely right.

01:25:35.000 You know, we, we try to educate people and people are in denial.

01:25:38.000 They don't want to know the truth and because they're, they're scared.

01:25:42.000 And that's what happened in Germany.

01:25:43.000 That's how Hitler came to power because a lot of people just didn't, weren't in denial. 0.93

01:25:48.000 You know, Americans weren't known in the past for being scared.

01:25:51.000 We were known for really being willing to get in a fight and stand up against bullies.

01:25:55.000 I guess we've just had it so good since the 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s.

01:25:59.000 You know, the cheeseburgers, the beer, the ball game.

01:26:02.000 But it's just so sad to know these criminals can murder and kill whoever they want and do whatever they want.

01:26:08.000 Exactly, and that's what the people need to wake up now.

01:26:12.000 They need to wake up and take their head out of the sand and get involved.

01:26:19.000 Do something, because like I said earlier, it's going to be kind of late to save our kids, but hopefully we're We're enough to save our grandkids.

01:26:27.000 Well, Luis Posada, another example, government-sponsored terror, it's admitted, it's publicly admitted, even in the Miami Papers, that he carried out bombings of airplanes with passengers on board to blame it on the Cubans.

01:26:40.000 Again, that same story, and he's right here, right now, in the U.S.

01:26:44.000 Exactly.

01:26:45.000 Luis Posada, I worked with him in Salvador when we were training the death squads down in Guatemala.

01:26:50.000 and uh... so it's for a guess that help them escape from the jail in venezuela and he brought to the local airport where posar was in charge of that pain the country pilots are all their monies and uh... you know we got uh... documented uh...

01:27:07.000 f_b_i_ c_i_ files guys working for the u_s_ Government, getting paid by the U.S. 0.88

01:27:11.000 Government to be a terrorist in Central America.

01:27:13.000 And the reason they continue to do this, and they're arrogant at what they do, is because at the end of the day they know that the President is going to pardon them, just like they pardoned Francisco Barr.

01:27:25.000 What was she like?

01:27:27.000 What was he like, this Posada character, when you knew him?

01:27:30.000 This Posada character was cold-hearted.

01:27:32.000 You could see it in his eyes.

01:27:34.000 He had a lot of hatred in him. 0.77

01:27:36.000 He hated the Communists, he hated any Cuban that did not support their cause and they would actually go out and kill a whole bunch of people because they did bring in a lot of Cuban exiles to fight the Central American War. 0.57

01:27:48.000 Now he's about to get in a lot of trouble though for going out and trying and succeeding to blow up passenger planes. 0.71

01:27:54.000 Tell us about that.

01:27:55.000 Well basically he blew up a passenger where a Olympic team, a fencing team was killed.

01:28:02.000 76 of them if I'm not mistaken.

01:28:04.000 And he blew up a couple of hotels under the CIA in Cuba.

01:28:08.000 So, you know...

01:28:10.000 Now by the way, this is all admitted, and why did he do it again?

01:28:12.000 He was working for the CIA, the director at that time was George Bush Sr., and he came back into this country in a false passport, but he came in because he was telling the Bush family that he knew where the scouts were and he needed to be saved from the assassinations but he came in because he was telling the Bush family that he Well, when we come back, I want to take some calls, but I want to ask why now they finally grabbed him.

01:28:40.000 And, uh, now they're, uh, talking about prosecuting him for blowing up the plane.

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01:31:52.000 Shelly Costello is our guest.

01:32:06.000 We're about to go straight to your calls here in just a moment.

01:32:09.000 Shelly, we ran into that last break.

01:32:12.000 We were still talking about this Luis Posada.

01:32:15.000 I mean, it has been in major Miami papers, major Florida papers, what we already knew about.

01:32:21.000 That this guy went and blew up airplanes with people on board with Olympic teams on them.

01:32:27.000 But now tell the audience why he did that.

01:32:30.000 Well, he did it to try to blame Cuba.

01:32:32.000 I apologize, I didn't have your mic on.

01:32:33.000 Sorry, I'm sorry.

01:32:34.000 Yeah, they did try to blame Cuba on that so we could use an excuse to go in there and try to get him.

01:32:40.000 You know, there's a history of how the Cuban exiles have tried to blame Castro For a lot of things you see it now with Venezuela with Hugo Chavez they're trying to do the same thing with him in Peru the same thing with the With with the president up there, and you know we got people like Jorge Ramos from munition who who tries to ambush those people every time he tries to interview and And, you know, we call them gusanos.

01:33:07.000 The maggots that work for the U.S.

01:33:09.000 government that they go out there and try to put a spin on everything that our government does. 0.98

01:33:15.000 So, somebody hates the Cuban government so much, which I don't like the Cuban government.

01:33:19.000 I mean, I'm free market.

01:33:20.000 I don't like Fidel Castro.

01:33:21.000 You hate them so much that you'll go blow up a plane with a bunch of people, and this is all admitted now, just to blame it on them. 0.96

01:33:28.000 I mean, that's insane.

01:33:29.000 Exactly, and that's why everything that they do is approved by the U.S.

01:33:34.000 government.

01:33:35.000 It's approved by the CIA and all the way up to the White House.

01:33:38.000 You've got a copy right here of Operation Northwoods that called back in 1962 for blowing up planes and blaming it on Fidel Castro.

01:33:44.000 Exactly, it's blueprints that we have that That shows the consistency of history of how we go out there and we destroy innocent people or material things and then blame it on our enemy.

01:34:00.000 Shelly, 9-11, do you believe 19 guys in a cave could have NORAD stand down and tell public officials not to fly?

01:34:07.000 Yeah, it's a coincidence.

01:34:10.000 of things happen and then we learn that the so-called hijackers were really trained at US military bases and were really government agents that's all admitted I guess that's all just a coincidence right yeah it's a coincidence and you know it's people that you know when there's something going wrong with our government we have to have a disaster so we can get people's mind out of what's really wrong and try to blame on somebody else There's a big Republican memo that's gone out to the Republican Party leadership and it's been in the D.C.

01:34:38.000 News and it said we need another terrorist attack or our entire program is going to fall apart.

01:34:44.000 Exactly and it goes back to the mentality of our government now.

01:34:47.000 They're so wild.

01:34:49.000 They're getting rugged on us.

01:34:52.000 They're doing everything.

01:34:54.000 They don't care about anybody or who gets hurt or what.

01:34:57.000 And, you know, they use this operation to try to, um, and, you know, it's going to be another, another classic, uh, 9-11 that, you know, that's going to happen next, in the next six months.

01:35:08.000 Every time you get on this show, what you say turns out coming true.

01:35:11.000 I hope you're wrong, Selly, but a lot of people are saying what you're saying, that elements of the government are going to stage an even bigger attack to try to put the kibosh on all the things that are happening where they're being exposed.

01:35:22.000 Exactly.

01:35:23.000 So, you know, it's going to happen, and I think a good place would be an Ivy League university, where it's going to hurt a lot of the young kids and get the generation to hate.

01:35:36.000 and join forces with our government to fight against the our enemy oh shelly don't give them ideas you know and that's where it's gonna hit the the businessman a whole bunch of people that are educated you know and they have to use it because we have now most of the students are waking up They've been putting out reports.

01:35:56.000 The Global has been putting out public reports going, we've lost the young people.

01:35:59.000 They now know about us.

01:36:00.000 And now, right now, at the University of Texas at Penn American in Edinburgh, they've got the CIA now, in campus, lecturing on foreign policy.

01:36:10.000 No, you ought to go to UT or Texas A&M.

01:36:13.000 They have been totally taken over, but it's backfiring.

01:36:16.000 Nobody's buying it.

01:36:17.000 Exactly.

01:36:17.000 Every time the CIA comes to campus at the university out there, I grab 300 people to go out there and we protest and we show them pictures of all the atrocities they did and the CIA guys can't believe that I'm not there with a sign and and with my Vietnam shirt on and telling them that this is what the CIA really does and a lot of the students weren't aware of what what it was they know that getting a job with the government government's got good benefits and good retirement, you know, the whole nine yards.

01:36:46.000 No, you're being recruited into the mafia.

01:36:48.000 Oh, exactly, and that's what you're doing.

01:36:49.000 And they need fall guys.

01:36:51.000 Remember that.

01:36:52.000 When something goes wrong, they're going to blame it on somebody else.

01:36:52.000 They need fall guys.

01:36:55.000 Well, they have this new movie out, Syriana, and it's written and based on the true life of that agent Bear.

01:37:01.000 And he was their man.

01:37:03.000 He killed people all over the place, did whatever they said. 0.94

01:37:05.000 And then when they got caught, they tried to burn him and tried to feed him to the Muslims. 0.97

01:37:10.000 Then when they released him, they tried to charge him again.

01:37:12.000 And then now they've had to admit that, no, he was really following orders.

01:37:16.000 Exactly.

01:37:16.000 So that's what's going to happen to these young kids, that they're going to be brainwashed and taken into Langley and being trained to do all kinds.

01:37:24.000 And they think that it's patriotic to do that.

01:37:26.000 They think like I did, you know, that I, you know, I would give my life for my government, you know.

01:37:31.000 Was there a moment when you finally, I mean, was it an incremental awakening when you were down in Latin America after you'd been in Vietnam and a police detective and all these other things?

01:37:39.000 When you're down in Latin America, was there like a moment when you woke up at 3 a.m.

01:37:42.000 in a sweat going, oh my gosh, I'm involved in evil stuff or when, I mean, or was it incremental?

01:37:48.000 It was in 1987, specifically September of 1987, when they grabbed two young Mexican girls, their father, and three Colombians.

01:37:58.000 And when they started torturing them and killing them, I says, You know, this is not what the war on drugs is supposed to be.

01:38:04.000 You know, we're out here killing people, innocent people that, you know, some of them are innocent, some are not, but it's still, we shouldn't be the judge and the executioners.

01:38:14.000 And that's when I realized, you know what?

01:38:16.000 This is not for me.

01:38:17.000 This is not what I signed up to do.

01:38:20.000 And I left the agency in 91, 92 when they came after me because I was writing reports to Washington about all this atrocities going on.

01:38:29.000 So it was 87 you started waking up?

01:38:31.000 Yes, 87.

01:38:31.000 I said, you know what?

01:38:33.000 This is wrong.

01:38:34.000 I started keeping journals.

01:38:36.000 I got over 2,000 pictures I took of the good, the bad, and the ugly.

01:38:39.000 And some photos that you've never posted before are now up on your website.

01:38:43.000 We've got a link to it over at Infowars.com.

01:38:45.000 Tell folks your website address.

01:38:47.000 My website address is powderburns.org.

01:38:52.000 Powderburns.org, and we're carrying your book, $22, Powderburns, Cocaine Contrast, and the Drug War.

01:38:58.000 Folks, you want to know the truth, or you know a police officer, a police detective in your area, this is from one of their peers, and in many cases, senior to them, very high level in all of this, witnessing it.

01:39:08.000 This is the eyewitness account.

01:39:09.000 Some of the new stuff you've got up on your website today is the passports of the people that were murdered, and then you've got photos of them living, and then photos of them when they're about to be killed, and you've got photos of them when they are killed.

01:39:21.000 Exactly.

01:39:22.000 And photos coming into the country by the CIA that were taken in Guatemala.

01:39:27.000 As a matter of fact, I had a Guatemalan reporter named Claudia that just called me and emailed me and they're doing a big story on the CIA and the DEA's murders in Central America.

01:39:38.000 And right now, folks, right now, those photos are up there right now.

01:39:41.000 That's right.

01:39:42.000 They're up there right now and I'll be able to label them who they are.

01:39:46.000 And ironically enough, a few months ago, the families of these people that were murdered are emailing me asking me, you know, how did my father die?

01:39:54.000 You know, did he suffer a lot?

01:39:56.000 And by label them, we just convinced Sally to put these up last night.

01:40:00.000 His webmaster put them up this morning.

01:40:03.000 And literally before he came in here on air, I had to drag him away an hour ago from one of my computers where he was talking to his webmaster, emailing him, you know, what names to put on what's.

01:40:16.000 So later this afternoon, the names of the people should be there.

01:40:20.000 I mean, obviously their names are there when you see their passports, but labels there on who specifically was being killed.

01:40:26.000 So please get loose change.

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01:40:54.000 Let's go to your calls now.

01:40:55.000 Thanks for holding.

01:40:56.000 Steve, Steve, where are you calling us from today?

01:40:59.000 Colorado.

01:41:00.000 Welcome.

01:41:01.000 What's on your mind?

01:41:02.000 Yeah, thank you, Alex.

01:41:03.000 I had a question about Ken Bucci.

01:41:07.000 Have you ever heard of him, Zoe?

01:41:09.000 He sounds very familiar, yes.

01:41:11.000 Who was he?

01:41:13.000 He wrote a book by the name of Operation Pseudo-Miranda.

01:41:17.000 Yes, I've heard of that.

01:41:18.000 Yes, exactly.

01:41:19.000 Okay, I was wondering if you knew him at all.

01:41:22.000 No, I didn't know him, but I think I glanced through his book.

01:41:27.000 Okay, well, do you think his book is accurate?

01:41:32.000 Do you have any idea?

01:41:32.000 Yes.

01:41:33.000 Yes, I think it is.

01:41:34.000 Alright, and also the movie, you mentioned the movie Siriana.

01:41:34.000 Okay.

01:41:38.000 Is that an accurate movie?

01:41:41.000 It's based on a real story on one of the agents that used to work for the agency.

01:41:48.000 It's based on the life of a controller, a high-level CIA officer who was controlling whole teams.

01:41:56.000 Because I've heard them on NPR, I've got interviews.

01:41:57.000 I've actually now read the book that it's based on.

01:42:00.000 And all they did in the movie was change some of the names.

01:42:02.000 But they would just barely change them.

01:42:05.000 Okay.

01:42:06.000 Also, the Medellin cartel down in Colombia, is that a CIA operation, or is that just them doing their own thing?

01:42:14.000 Well, it started out doing their own thing, but now they're part of the CIA operations.

01:42:18.000 And right now we've got DEA guys under investigation for smuggling cocaine with the paramilitaries.

01:42:25.000 a big story right now in Colombia.

01:42:27.000 And I just did a radio interview Not at this point.

01:42:29.000 Not myself.

01:42:29.000 Okay.

01:42:30.000 Alright, well thank you very much.

01:42:32.000 A lot of the agents involving drug trafficking are with the cartels out there.

01:42:35.000 Okay.

01:42:36.000 And last question, can you comment on if there is any connection with Henry Kissinger?

01:42:42.000 Not at this point.

01:42:44.000 Not myself.

01:42:44.000 Okay.

01:42:45.000 Well, thank you very much.

01:42:45.000 All right.

01:42:46.000 Yes, sir.

01:42:47.000 I appreciate your call, Steve.

01:42:50.000 Good question.

01:42:50.000 So let's talk to Paul in Florida.

01:42:52.000 Paul, you're on the air.

01:42:53.000 Go ahead.

01:42:54.000 I was wondering, who can we contact so we can put a stop to this?

01:42:54.000 Yeah, hi, hon.

01:43:00.000 Well, the government knows what's going on.

01:43:02.000 I mean, the Solicitor General got up there, what was it, 1998 or was it 1997, and said, yeah, the government brings in the drugs and it's at the highest level.

01:43:09.000 I mean, we're doing it right now.

01:43:13.000 We're number one.

01:43:13.000 We need to end the drug war.

01:43:16.000 Let me just boil this down and then you can get Selly's take on it and see if he agrees.

01:43:23.000 Let me just try to boil this down for you.

01:43:25.000 This is how the scam works, okay?

01:43:28.000 You've got a whole bunch of cartels and narcotics being produced all over the world.

01:43:31.000 You've got the globalists in control of Afghanistan when they take control in 2001. 0.79

01:43:35.000 Now it more than quadruples in its production and it's publicly admitted that our government's cultivating it and shipping it out.

01:43:44.000 It's the same thing out of Southeast Asia and Vietnam.

01:43:46.000 It's the same thing everywhere.

01:43:48.000 It's these private families.

01:43:49.000 It's like Skull and Bones was openly founded by the Russell Trust, which was the British East India branch in the US, for all legal laudanum or opium, which is then also used for heroin in America.

01:44:01.000 It was actually these big drug families who went and lobbied to make these drugs illegal in the 20s and 30s because they were losing their monopoly.

01:44:09.000 Other people were importing the drugs legally, so they went, lobbied to make it illegal.

01:44:13.000 They controlled the cops.

01:44:15.000 They then would sick them on their competition, and then their legal laudanum goes from $1 a bottle to $100 a bottle. 0.74

01:44:22.000 And that was $100 a bottle back in the 20s, folks.

01:44:25.000 So by making their own product illegal and then controlling the black market, they jacked the price up just astronomically.

01:44:32.000 Then cocaine starts getting more popular.

01:44:34.000 Of course, it was in Coca-Cola back at that same time.

01:44:36.000 Then Coke starts getting shipped in and getting popular, so they make it illegal to then go after their competition again.

01:44:42.000 And then when your kid gets caught using it, they give a mandatory sentencing of 10 years, they put your child in a private prison that can openly be linked to the very big banks that are actually running the drugs and controlling the cartels, so now your child works as a slave They're in the very facility that's owned by the drug dealing family.

01:45:03.000 And then they also use the drug war to go after any of their competition that tries to ship it in without paying them their cut and being certified.

01:45:03.000 Okay?

01:45:12.000 So that's really how it works.

01:45:13.000 If we end the drug war and decriminalize And they've done this in areas of Europe.

01:45:18.000 About half the population that's using drugs stops using it.

01:45:21.000 The price falls through the floor.

01:45:23.000 Crime plummets.

01:45:24.000 Listen, would you rather a heroin head have to break in five houses a day to feed their habit or be able to go get it for free?

01:45:30.000 from the local government and then not break in your home to steal everything you've got and then, oops, your ten-year-old's there when you're not and so the heroin head kills your daughter.

01:45:40.000 Again, the drug war drives crime and the national statistics are out.

01:45:45.000 Twelve years ago We had a certain level of heroin and cocaine.

01:45:50.000 Twelve years later, it's tripled.

01:45:52.000 The heroin has, the cocaine has doubled.

01:45:54.000 We've gone from one million in the prison system to over seven million in the system, and it's a success!

01:45:59.000 The drug war is designed to take over the entire society, and I appreciate your call, Paula.

01:46:04.000 Selly, can you comment on that?

01:46:06.000 Exactly.

01:46:07.000 You know, we've got to remember one thing.

01:46:08.000 We spend billions of dollars in source countries like Colombia and Peru, and we can't even make a dent.

01:46:13.000 Secondly, we have the best satellite photos we can take of all the cocaine labs in South America.

01:46:19.000 We could easily take those labs out with our satellites, but we won't because our government has a thirst for drugs and money.

01:46:30.000 And America is more addicted to drug money than the actual drugs.

01:46:35.000 Well, that's what I was going to say.

01:46:36.000 Then another division, and we can link all these, the same parent companies that own the private prisons, own the spray planes that spray the other cartels' crops that they're in competition with, and then they also then have out of the same airport their other team shipping out the drugs from their other plantations.

01:46:55.000 So they're doing it all.

01:46:56.000 They're fighting the drugs out of country.

01:46:58.000 They're fighting the drugs in country.

01:47:00.000 They're putting your kids in these modern slave camps for 20 cents an hour, cheaper than Chinese slave labor. 0.99

01:47:05.000 And so at every level they make money off this selling.

01:47:08.000 Absolutely.

01:47:09.000 And you know, it's going to get worse before it gets better, if it gets better.

01:47:13.000 It's going to get worse and worse and worse.

01:47:15.000 And listen, even if you don't believe any of that, it's all documented fact up one side and down the other.

01:47:19.000 It's admitted fact that the drug war is a complete failure according to what they claim it's supposed to do.

01:47:24.000 So if we get more drugs with the drug war, why would we want a drug war, Sully?

01:47:28.000 Well, that's right.

01:47:29.000 Absolutely right.

01:47:30.000 It's all about business.

01:47:31.000 And you're talking about building the private facilities now that's going to be owned by private industry.

01:47:38.000 Everybody's going to be making money.

01:47:39.000 Halliburton, you know, you see it in Iraq.

01:47:41.000 And you said a year and a half ago, you said you watch Halliburton and Negroponte.

01:47:45.000 They're going to do everything they're doing in Iraq, but they're going to do it here. 0.97

01:47:47.000 And I have to admit, I kind of halfway rolled my eyes.

01:47:50.000 I thought Halliburton's going to run camps, and now it's in the Houston paper.

01:47:54.000 Yes, exactly.

01:47:55.000 I mean, it's...

01:47:56.000 You know, we're going to have a lot.

01:47:57.000 They're building more prisons, more concentration camps than they're going to do schools.

01:48:02.000 So it's got to tell you that the drawing is on board, man.

01:48:06.000 You know, it's coming.

01:48:07.000 And so now our economy is just going to get more and more police tape.

01:48:15.000 Exactly.

01:48:15.000 In militarized, you know, we're seeing these senators and congressmen in Texas asking for the military to go down into the border.

01:48:23.000 So, you know, you're going to see police officers and Humvees driving down the Rio Grande Valley and eating at Burger King or, you know... And by the way, that's not to stop illegal aliens. 0.94

01:48:34.000 No, no, no.

01:48:35.000 And this is going to become You know, I remember seeing it in Salvador and Guatemala.

01:48:40.000 Our own military people sitting down in cafes in uniforms with the AR-15s or M-16s.

01:48:47.000 And meanwhile, our government has openly trained Los Etos.

01:48:52.000 Our government openly created the crisis, knowingly, and then they get to just expand it.

01:48:57.000 And then make even more money off of the new war.

01:49:00.000 You know, you see them, you know, there's so much money and they've got private people Coming down here into the U.S.

01:49:00.000 Exactly.

01:49:08.000 and buy large quantities of weapons to take them back.

01:49:11.000 And there's a ship load of weapons that can be taken anywhere they want to be taken.

01:49:17.000 So the ship just goes wherever they want?

01:49:19.000 Anywhere they want to go.

01:49:20.000 And I remember seeing it coming in from all over Europe.

01:49:20.000 Anywhere.

01:49:27.000 Weapons coming into South America.

01:49:28.000 The U.S.

01:49:29.000 is bringing a lot of weapons into Guatemala.

01:49:31.000 Well, right now they've got a lot of Israelis right off the coast of Venezuela already trying to stage infiltrations.

01:49:37.000 Exactly.

01:49:38.000 So, you know, Mossad's out there doing their business.

01:49:42.000 So they're a big part of it, too?

01:49:43.000 They've always been a big part of it.

01:49:45.000 government pulled out in 1984 from Guatemala, the Israelis came in and they trained all the Guatemalan military.

01:49:45.000 You know, when the U.S.

01:49:50.000 We'll be right back, folks.

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01:52:49.000 They railed against the crowd Another ragtag band Declaring independence

01:53:12.000 Sully's going to ride shotgun with us with our guest that's coming up in the next hour from England.

01:53:26.000 Right now let's hurry back to your phone calls.

01:53:28.000 Let's go ahead and speak with Elias in Michigan.

01:53:32.000 You're on the air with Sully Costello.

01:53:34.000 Thank you Alex and hello Sully.

01:53:34.000 Go ahead.

01:53:38.000 Yes, sir.

01:53:39.000 I have a question.

01:53:40.000 Sure.

01:53:40.000 I've been a critical observer of the political scene since 1950, when I was 18, and especially with Central and South America.

01:53:50.000 Are you willing to name the names of the murderers, for instance, of, say, Bishop Romero and others, the actual names, personal names of these people that did this thing, so they can be brought to justice?

01:54:04.000 He knows who the commanders of those death squads were.

01:54:06.000 Sully, go ahead.

01:54:07.000 Okay, he's going to answer it for you.

01:54:10.000 Yeah, it was Mayor Roberto Davison and Dr. Regalado.

01:54:19.000 Dr. Regalado was the actual shooter of our Bishop Romero.

01:54:23.000 Do you have that in your book?

01:54:26.000 Uh, I don't remember if I did or not, uh, put it in there, but, uh... Listen, it's a hardcore book.

01:54:31.000 It names hundreds of names.

01:54:32.000 Yes, it does.

01:54:33.000 Hundreds of them, yeah, thousands of them.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, so there are names in there of the people who actually committed the murders.

01:54:39.000 And, you know, of course, they try to blame a sergeant in one of the units who they took care of after everything quieted down.

01:54:48.000 Do you think they'll ever bring them to justice?

01:54:50.000 Absolutely not, because they don't have witnesses, and you know, if there are witnesses, they're all going to end up dead.

01:54:56.000 Yes, but you're a witness.

01:54:57.000 Absolutely.

01:54:58.000 So, but they, see, with the government, how they work is they say, okay, go ahead, let Seleucus Duke talk all he wants, you know.

01:55:05.000 Within a month or two, people are going to forget about him.

01:55:08.000 And that's basically true.

01:55:09.000 People tend to forget.

01:55:11.000 I'll never forget you.

01:55:12.000 Thank you Elias.

01:55:13.000 I'm going to let you go now.

01:55:14.000 I've got to ask you a question.

01:55:15.000 Thank you for the call.

01:55:16.000 Jeff in Denver, you're on the air.

01:55:18.000 Welcome.

01:55:21.000 Hello guys.

01:55:22.000 I just wanted to point out a couple of things.

01:55:24.000 First of all, I've got powderburns.org linked to the Watchdog Group on my website.

01:55:28.000 I wanted to make a couple of important points.

01:55:30.000 I think this is important for all the listeners.

01:55:35.000 Mr. Casello is saying is true and it's also, most of what he's saying is also confirmed through John Kerry's Senate report, the Contra report that he did during this time and I think that's important for everybody to know that a lot of the things that he was saying has been confirmed in John Kerry's Senate report back in that time and of course the CIA are the largest drug runners in the world and I wanted to point out, he mentioned something about Laredo

01:56:04.000 And of course, I think another important point would be Juarez, Mexico, which is right below El Paso.

01:56:09.000 Juarez is one of the largest cities in Mexico as far as a border town goes.

01:56:17.000 uh... comparable to the information that he provided on Laredo.

01:56:21.000 Well, I want people to realize the numbers.

01:56:23.000 Eight hundred dead on the US-Mexico side, both sides, just in the Texas region last year alone.

01:56:31.000 Eight hundred and forty-something.

01:56:32.000 Fifteen of them were cops on our side.

01:56:34.000 That's how they keep that real quiet.

01:56:37.000 Well, you know, one of the things that people don't realize is a lot of these people are getting killed.

01:56:41.000 A lot of them, the majority of them, are informants for the FBI and the DEA.

01:56:46.000 Exactly.

01:56:47.000 And a lot of them, you know, the DEA and McAllen will not acknowledge the fact that these people are informants.

01:56:54.000 And that's why you find them with tags on them after they kill them with the name of Soprano, which means a snitch.

01:57:01.000 And also, Mr. Costello, I wanted to ask you, there was reports that Barry Seal was found, when he was found dead, Barry Seal, that he had George Bush's phone number in his pocket.

01:57:10.000 Do you know anything about that?

01:57:11.000 Yes, he was working directly with George Bush Sr.

01:57:15.000 at the time.

01:57:16.000 And with Terry Reid and so forth.

01:57:18.000 And also, like you said, Oliver North, Dan Lansaster, Buddy Young, William Barr.

01:57:24.000 Yeah, we're out of time.

01:57:25.000 I appreciate your call, Jeff.

01:57:27.000 We'll talk to Will and Dr. Diegel and others in the next segment.

01:57:30.000 Then we've got our guest coming on.

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01:58:07.000 Well, Phillip Sands is joining us in about eight minutes.

01:58:11.000 Celica Stillo, former high-level DEA agent, will be riding shotgun with us. 0.87

01:58:17.000 We'll be getting into more government-sponsored terrorism.

01:58:21.000 This time they wanted to try to goad Saddam into pulling something on the eve of the war to try to get public support, but they were unsuccessful.

01:58:27.000 Big news from England on the fake WMD claims and all of it with our guest coming up in a few minutes.

01:58:33.000 We're talking to Celica Stillo, author of Powder Burns. 0.91

01:58:35.000 Cocaine Contras and the Drug War.

01:58:38.000 And we are about to go to Jeff.

01:58:41.000 We're going to talk to Jeff, to Will and Dr. Deagle and others.

01:58:44.000 But, Sully, we've already talked about so much, but this story is so big, though there's a lot we haven't covered.

01:58:49.000 Any other key points about your book or about the government drug dealing that you witnessed that the listeners should be aware of?

01:58:56.000 Well, no, basically it's really all I got.

01:59:00.000 But there are other books and there are other people coming out now that are implicating the government in drug trafficking.

01:59:07.000 How many agents, I mean ballpark, because I've seen, there's probably 30 or 40 I've seen in places like GQ that would have five or six different ones in it saying they saw the drugs coming off planes in Miami or drugs in Texas.

01:59:20.000 I mean how many agents in FBI, CIA, DEA, sheriff departments have gone public about government sponsored drug dealing?

01:59:27.000 Well they're several, like Michael Levine and other people, but Basically what's going on is the fact that I started telling people while I was an agent and I wasn't scared of losing my job and most of these people that are now have their own promoters and everything, you know, waited until they retired.

01:59:50.000 What about people who were on the fence?

01:59:53.000 I mean, do they say to you, yeah, silly, I'm, you know, you're brave, I wish I could do what you've done, but I just can't do it, I'm afraid, or what do they say to you?

01:59:59.000 Well, they say they have a mortgage to pay, they got kids, they got us out of college, and so forth.

02:00:03.000 So I got a mortgage to pay, it doesn't matter if our government's gutting little kids to blame it on their enemies, it doesn't matter if our government's bringing in smack so people can overdose, I just gotta go along with it.

02:00:13.000 Exactly, and you know, it was so sad because all these people that joined to work for the DEA and kept quiet about it, Not only did they become rich, they were in it for the money.

02:00:28.000 People ask, why did you do it?

02:00:29.000 I said, I was looking for a job when I found that one.

02:00:32.000 And I'm not about to stand here and see these atrocities happen.

02:00:36.000 It could happen to my grandkids and my kids, you know, and I'm not going to let it happen.

02:00:41.000 Well, I commend you for that.

02:00:42.000 Let's go ahead and go to Will in Virginia.

02:00:47.000 You're on the air with Celica Stillo.

02:00:48.000 Go ahead.

02:00:49.000 Hello.

02:00:50.000 Yes, sir.

02:00:51.000 I'm from Tidewater, Virginia.

02:00:53.000 I live out in the country, close to the city.

02:00:55.000 We've got a situation developing there that reminds me a whole lot of me in Arkansas.

02:01:00.000 They're building an airfield, very expensive looking.

02:01:03.000 Well, he's been at their strip.

02:01:05.000 Oh.

02:01:06.000 I'd be interested in investigating this if you think it's within the realm of possibility that some of that... Well, I mean, they use national security to cover the drug deal, and they always have, but just because there's some weird airport going in doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be bringing in narcotics there.

02:01:20.000 Just because of where Virginia is, I mean, most of it comes into Houston, comes into L.A., comes into... Sally, do you agree with that statement, or is there a lot of smack coming in on the East Coast?

02:01:29.000 Well, they're coming in everywhere.

02:01:30.000 I remember when China White was coming into San Francisco, our government would not admit that there was a China White epidemic in San Francisco.

02:01:39.000 And I was one of the very few agents that was able to buy China White from the Chinese down in San Francisco to prove that it's been there all along, going back to the French Connection. 0.98

02:01:51.000 So big thing to cover things up.

02:01:54.000 And you talk about Mossad.

02:01:57.000 Aren't French intelligence some of the worst about drug dealing?

02:02:00.000 Absolutely.

02:02:01.000 You know, the history will show you.

02:02:03.000 I mean, that's who it was in the French connection.

02:02:05.000 Government, yeah.

02:02:05.000 Real story.

02:02:06.000 Exactly.

02:02:07.000 So, you know, it's always been there.

02:02:09.000 People just don't read sometimes.

02:02:09.000 It's always been there.

02:02:12.000 And when they don't read, they don't educate.

02:02:14.000 But it's simple.

02:02:15.000 They're playing both ends.

02:02:16.000 And I appreciate your call, sir.

02:02:17.000 Thanks for bringing that up.

02:02:18.000 Send Sally some info on it.

02:02:20.000 It may be something.

02:02:23.000 They're playing both ends of it.

02:02:24.000 They bring it in and then they enforce it on the other end and seize the property of the low-level dealers.

02:02:28.000 Exactly.

02:02:29.000 And, you know, you never see any major guys getting arrested on a major conspiracy case.

02:02:34.000 You don't see a white-collar crime involving money laundering or drug trafficking.

02:02:40.000 All right.

02:02:40.000 We'll be right back, folks.

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02:06:31.000 One of the top stories in England and in Europe itself It's up on Infowars.com right now.

02:06:40.000 I want to thank a listener yesterday, right as this came out, for instant messaging me the Channel 4 News story.

02:06:47.000 Here's the headline, Bush-Blair Memo Discussed Planting Spy Plane in UN Collars to Goad Saddam to Get Him to Shoot at It.

02:06:56.000 And then of course, US and British planes were bombing them at the same time.

02:07:00.000 Imagine, people bomb you and you're supposed to sit there and not shoot back.

02:07:04.000 It's like, we're peaceful, if you fire back at us, we'll invade you. 0.97

02:07:08.000 Now, lay down and take the bombs.

02:07:10.000 But they were trying to get Saddam to shoot at a UN plane and then tell the world that a UN plane had been shot at, you know, fly the spy plane low with UN colors on it.

02:07:20.000 But I think that's dwarfed in these documents that have come out now with this professor and also Barrister who practices law there with the Prime Minister's wife there at the same court.

02:07:30.000 It's a very, very high level in all of this.

02:07:33.000 I think what's even bigger is Bush in here, and we even have the quotes from the minutes of the meeting with Tony Blair, their Prime Minister, saying we can stage WMD fines, and quote, have a defector tell us about the WMDs. 0.57

02:07:46.000 I mean, this makes the Drowning Street memo look like child's play.

02:07:50.000 Joining us is Philippe I'm delighted to be with you.

02:07:53.000 I was in your fine city just in November.

02:07:56.000 He works in the same office, in the same court as the Prime Minister's wife.

02:07:59.000 He's also a professor there of law and legal studies there in London as well.

02:08:06.000 And we are very honored to have Professor Sands joining us today, also Barrister Sands.

02:08:14.000 Thank you, sir.

02:08:15.000 Delighted to be with you.

02:08:16.000 I was in your fine city just in November.

02:08:18.000 I had terrific hospitality, and I was very well looked after.

02:08:21.000 Well, we're proud of Austin, but I also was in London a few months ago, and enjoy your hospitality as well, so Well, they're two great cities.

02:08:29.000 And of course they're bonded now by our two great leaders, so to speak.

02:08:33.000 Our two illustrious leaders.

02:08:35.000 Our two illustrious leaders.

02:08:37.000 Is it in your news that Bush has actually declared himself emperor and says he's above all laws?

02:08:42.000 Global emperor, emperor of the world.

02:08:44.000 He's shredded the laws, that's the thesis of my book, and proclaimed that America can do whatever it wants.

02:08:49.000 But of course, you know Alex, the thing is, America has a great history and a great reputation.

02:08:54.000 America's done more than any country in the world.

02:08:56.000 To put in place a rules-based system and all we're trying to do is get the US and the US President to re-engage with America's traditional commitment to rules.

02:09:07.000 Well, I agree with you, and of course, I should also add, you are an author.

02:09:10.000 Tell us about your new book, where you drop these memos and these bombshell documents on the population.

02:09:15.000 Of course, I'd be delighted.

02:09:16.000 The book originally came out a year ago.

02:09:18.000 It told the whole story of the road to war, and I've come out with a new edition.

02:09:21.000 It's published today, in fact, Lawless World, and the new chapter in it includes material of a conversation between George W. Bush and Tony Blair in the White House on the 31st of January 2003.

02:09:36.000 This material has never been made public before, and it confirms that by that date, the US President had decided to go to war, whatever happened at the UN, and he was supported by the British Prime Minister.

02:09:48.000 But more interestingly, it basically reveals that they had no evidence of their own about weapons of mass destruction, and so desperate were they that they had to begin to have a conversation about basically provoking Saddam by taking US spy planes Painting them in UN colours, and when Saddam shot at them, they would be able to say he was in breach of his obligations.

02:10:14.000 That's provocation, I think, isn't it?

02:10:16.000 It is, and as if a gunner shooting at a plane at 50,000 feet can tell if it's a UN plane to begin with.

02:10:23.000 I mean, that shows the Hegelian dialectic of problem-reaction-solution, Professor.

02:10:28.000 It indeed shows the Hegelian... It shows the Hegelian dialectic, Alex, and it shows how bloody desperate they were.

02:10:35.000 They didn't have anything in their back pockets and they were reduced to these types of actions.

02:10:39.000 I do reveal another bit of information that your listeners may be interested in.

02:10:43.000 I reveal another memo between the British Foreign Secretary, he's a great mate of Condoleezza Rice's, his name is Jack Straw, and he writes to the British Prime Minister in the first week of January 2003 and he says, hey, I've just got off the phone with Colin Powell and guess what?

02:10:58.000 He thinks we shouldn't go to war unless we get a UN resolution.

02:11:01.000 There's not enough evidence.

02:11:04.000 It's just so amazing, and then on top of it, I'm reading quotes here by Bush, and again, you practice in the highest courts in the land, even with the Prime Minister's wife, as a high-level barrister, and so you have these contacts to get these documents, and I'm reading here, as of the last articles I saw, it's not even being denied, Well, I think you've put your finger on the spot.

02:11:23.000 Prime Minister's office that this is coming out.

02:11:25.000 Is this good news that more and more people inside the government are going to be blowing the whistle and hopefully sinking this neocon empire move?

02:11:36.000 Well, I think you've put your finger on the spot.

02:11:38.000 I mean, what's happening is that as President Bush's power fades away, as Tony Blair's power fades away, people are beginning to speak out.

02:11:46.000 They're beginning to release documents.

02:11:47.000 They're beginning to recognize that the tide has turned.

02:11:50.000 That's the big change that has happened.

02:11:52.000 And the truth is going to come out.

02:11:53.000 There's a lot more material that's going to come out, and it's not going to make a pretty picture.

02:11:57.000 And the legacy for these two gentlemen is a legacy of war.

02:12:02.000 Of illegality, and I go further in my book, it's a legacy of criminality.

02:12:06.000 Oh, I agree with you, sir, and I think in ten years the textbooks are going to have Tony Blair and Bush being, you know, in there akin to Pinochets.

02:12:15.000 I think they're going to be known as far worse than a Richard Nixon.

02:12:18.000 Well, Alex, you've taken the words out of my mouth, because I end my book by saying that when these guys are out of office, they better not be taking their summer holidays in Club Mediterranean in Azerbaijan, because they would face Pinochet-style proceeding.

02:12:33.000 I haven't read the book yet, but I actually have an online bookstore.

02:12:35.000 Is it being published in the U.S.

02:12:38.000 right now?

02:12:38.000 It's published in the U.S.

02:12:40.000 also, but it doesn't have the additional chapter, so what you need to do is you need to put a link in to the U.K.

02:12:46.000 version of Amazon, amazon.co.uk, and for the enormous sum of $7, you can purchase the book.

02:12:55.000 Oh, I've got a... Well, I want to carry it, Sonny.

02:12:57.000 You think I could afford that, Alex, huh?

02:12:58.000 Well, I need to get in touch with your publisher.

02:13:00.000 I'll get 500 of them.

02:13:02.000 I have a small little bookstore here.

02:13:03.000 Well, you know, that is really exciting to see more and more of these documents coming out.

02:13:09.000 I mean, this is just akin, though, to the Downing Street memo.

02:13:12.000 Then we have the other memos with Bush talking about bombing TV stations in allied countries.

02:13:17.000 I mean, do you think these guys... I mean, I know Tony Blair's smart.

02:13:20.000 Do you think Bush has just actually gone insane?

02:13:23.000 Well, I couldn't possibly comment on his mental well-being, but here's a thought for you.

02:13:26.000 I actually think George W. Bush may be smarter than Tony Blair, because in this weird way, George W. Bush actually had Tony Blair wrapped around his finger.

02:13:36.000 The amazing thing about this memo of the meeting of the 31st, is it's not a meeting of two equals.

02:13:41.000 It's a meeting in which plainly George W. Bush is in control, and his little English Prime Minister is sitting with him, basically saying, Uh, you know, I'm solidly with you, Mr. President.

02:13:51.000 In fact, there are quotes here where he's saying whatever you say!

02:13:54.000 Solidly with you, Mr. President.

02:13:58.000 It really is fairly embarrassing stuff for us Brits.

02:14:02.000 So it's like Bush is giving a Queen's speech and Blair is saying, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir.

02:14:07.000 Absolutely.

02:14:08.000 I think Bush comes out of this, you know, the guy speaks straight, says his views, and I think he's not to be underestimated.

02:14:15.000 I think our own British Prime Minister, who you all think has got the gift of the gab and is wonderful and smart, actually It doesn't come out of this so well.

02:14:22.000 Oh, I agree with you. 0.99

02:14:23.000 Bush is cunning like a big garbage rat is cunning. 1.00

02:14:28.000 So I totally agree with you that he's cunning and vicious and sneaky, but at the same time I think his arrogance does make him stupid at a certain level. 1.00

02:14:35.000 I think there's all of those things, but the main thing that these documents show is that he's incompetent. 0.98

02:14:41.000 Because one of the most delicious quotations that I've put in, which you probably got in front of you also, is the President tells the Prime Minister there isn't going to be an insurgency.

02:14:51.000 There's going to be no conflict between the different religious groups.

02:14:54.000 He just magically knows this.

02:14:56.000 He knows this.

02:14:57.000 All the advice he's had, no conflict.

02:14:59.000 And look where we are three years on.

02:15:00.000 But we know the real CIA advisor said it's going to break into three or four regions and be a total quagmire.

02:15:06.000 And what's striking is Blair doesn't say to Bush, That's not right, Mr. President.

02:15:06.000 Exactly.

02:15:11.000 There's going to be a quagmire, and this is what we're going to do about it.

02:15:14.000 Total silence, total subservience.

02:15:16.000 In fact, we know that the British advisers to Blair had warned him, correct?

02:15:20.000 He was told explicitly.

02:15:21.000 I mean, you've got to remember... The British were there before.

02:15:24.000 You've got to remember, Alex, Britain was there in the 1920s.

02:15:27.000 We've been there.

02:15:28.000 We ran that country a hundred years ago.

02:15:31.000 We know what it's like, and all the advice Blair got was, if you go down this route, you are into a quagmire, and he ignored it.

02:15:39.000 The funny thing is, the exact thing that happened in the 20s, with the British hunkered down in the very green zone, being attacked, is now happening.

02:15:48.000 Absolutely.

02:15:49.000 Tell your listeners to go and read T.S.

02:15:51.000 Eliot, Lawrence of Arabia.

02:15:53.000 It's all in his book.

02:15:55.000 Seven Pillars of Wisdom.

02:15:56.000 It's all there.

02:15:58.000 We've been there before, nothing new, we've learned nothing from history.

02:16:01.000 Now the real bombshell here is that also at the meeting, Bush has the quote here that we can have a fake, let me just find the actual quote, I'll do it after the break, we can have a fake defector come and say he saw the WMDs.

02:16:17.000 So this has Bush saying that we're going to stay to WMDs.

02:16:22.000 Well, it doesn't quite get that far.

02:16:23.000 I'm not sure where you get the word fake from.

02:16:24.000 I mean, it talks about, it talks about two things.

02:16:26.000 It basically says we can put these spy planes up and when he shoots them down we can say he's in breach.

02:16:31.000 But it also says we could try to get a defector out.

02:16:33.000 And there's a third thing that he says, we might come back to that after the break, the possibility that Saddam could be assassinated could not be excluded.

02:16:41.000 Oh, here it is.

02:16:43.000 It says, quote, this is Bush, It was also possible that a defector could be brought out who would give a public presentation about Saddam's WMDs, and there was also a small possibility that Saddam would be assassinated.

02:16:57.000 Exactly.

02:16:57.000 So there's the quote, but clearly they're saying in the Downing Street we're going to manufacture something.

02:17:02.000 Isn't this just an extension of that?

02:17:04.000 Well, I don't want to go that far.

02:17:05.000 That's further than the words actually say.

02:17:07.000 But I think it's bad enough that they're sitting around... Well, I'm talking about Downing Street.

02:17:10.000 Downing Street says that, you know, the British memo says we've got to get something to back them up.

02:17:15.000 They're going to invade.

02:17:16.000 But Alex, here's the big question.

02:17:18.000 Why didn't they manufacture something?

02:17:20.000 Why didn't they send someone in to plant a few bombs here and there?

02:17:24.000 You know, I think we have the answer to that.

02:17:26.000 Dozens of times, professor, they would claim they found them and then experts would actually go look at them.

02:17:31.000 Remember the hot air balloon pumps?

02:17:35.000 And it was British made with serial numbers, but for two weeks they said these are anthrax labs and they knew day one they weren't?

02:17:41.000 They tried.

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02:21:55.000 We're talking to Professor Philippe Sands.

02:21:59.000 He is a high-level barrister, even working in the same courts as the Prime Minister's wife.

02:22:04.000 He also is a tenured professor there at one of the major law universities and studies law.

02:22:10.000 And he has written a book, second edition, now out, Lawless World.

02:22:16.000 And I think I'm going to carry this book.

02:22:17.000 The second edition is only available right now through UK Amazon, but US listeners can get it.

02:22:23.000 There are also a lot of listeners over the internet and shortwave that are in the United Kingdom.

02:22:26.000 So be sure and get this book.

02:22:28.000 I mean, just the excerpts of it.

02:22:31.000 You know, respectfully, I disagree with you.

02:22:33.000 You know, you say... I mean, obviously they're provocateur-ing something, saying, put planes up to have them be shot down with U.N.

02:22:39.000 colors.

02:22:40.000 I mean, that's criminal right there.

02:22:41.000 But what I disagree with you on is you're saying that, you know, this doesn't entirely show them saying, we'll stage WMDs.

02:22:50.000 And then you say, well, why didn't they get caught staging WMDs or why didn't they try to stage WMDs? 0.75

02:22:58.000 They did.

02:22:59.000 I mean, there were dozens of cases where it's a bread bakery and then they say it's a biological laboratory or where they say for two weeks, look, these are plants.

02:23:10.000 I think you may be onto something.

02:23:11.000 When they knew the serial numbers, it was in the dictionary, the James Weapons Dictionary.

02:23:16.000 Those were pumping up hot air balloons for surveillance.

02:23:19.000 And they said that this is to make anthrax.

02:23:21.000 So over and over again, they tried to say everything under the sun was a WMD.

02:23:26.000 They had UN workers unscrewing rockets and sticking their nose in it.

02:23:29.000 If they thought it was really chemical weapons, folks, they wouldn't unscrew anything.

02:23:32.000 Professor, you want to comment on that?

02:23:35.000 I do.

02:23:35.000 I think you may be on to something.

02:23:37.000 Bear in mind, the documents that I've uncovered date to the 31st of January 2003.

02:23:42.000 Your astute listeners will be aware that just five days later, on the 5th of February 2003, Colin Powell was due to go off to the Security Council and give a presentation about all the evidence they had about WMD.

02:23:56.000 And of course, it turns out there was nothing there.

02:23:59.000 But more to the point, why are these two gentlemen, Mr. Bush, Mr. Blair, sitting in the White House, Talking about all these provocations, if they know they had decent evidence.

02:24:07.000 The point is, it tends to confirm they didn't have the evidence that they thought they had, and they knew it.

02:24:13.000 And that's a real problem politically.

02:24:14.000 It should be a real problem.

02:24:16.000 But they're not stopping Professor Sands, they're just moving on with new lies for old, same lies for old, saying we've got to attack Iran.

02:24:25.000 ABC News had the headline yesterday, Iran Nuke Test, and then it said that at a proving ground an explosion went off, and it was clearly non-nuclear, but they just had the headline, Nuke Test, or Atomic Test.

02:24:37.000 It's just total deception.

02:24:40.000 Well, Iran is plainly a new problem coming up. 1.00

02:24:42.000 I mean, the big issue is, to what extent are people in the US really going to start fixing on this stuff?

02:24:47.000 Because Bush has had a very easy run.

02:24:50.000 At least Blair has been getting grief all over the place, the whole time. 1.00

02:24:54.000 And yet, I get the sense, I've travelled around the US, I came to Austin, I travelled around Texas, I went to Georgia, California.

02:25:01.000 I get the sense that there isn't a huge amount of critique of President Bush on these types of issues.

02:25:06.000 They're cutting him a lot of slack.

02:25:07.000 Why is that happening?

02:25:11.000 I think that statistically British population reads more and is more in the news.

02:25:16.000 I'm sad to say Americans for industrialized countries are the worst now about being informed on basic, even non-entertainment trivia.

02:25:25.000 The general public serve here in this country doesn't even know which end is up.

02:25:32.000 Well, I mean, it has turned, because all the jellyfish that are drooling in the corner don't even really matter in the final equation.

02:25:38.000 The thinking people in America, conservative, liberal, it doesn't matter, are totally freaked out right now.

02:25:43.000 I mean, every day, Bush gets, in your books about this, Bush gets up on TV and says, if you don't pass the Patriot Act, I'll just keep enforcing it.

02:25:51.000 I can torture little kids if I order it. 0.98

02:25:53.000 I mean, that's real memos.

02:25:54.000 I mean, he is announcing that he is the emperor, and yes, people are freaked out.

02:25:59.000 And why is he getting away with it?

02:26:00.000 I mean, this is the great thing that in Britain... I mean, Britain is a country that's very close to America.

02:26:04.000 We love America.

02:26:05.000 My wife is American.

02:26:06.000 My kids are American.

02:26:08.000 And yet, and yet, and yet, things have gone out of control in the last three to four years.

02:26:12.000 What's happening?

02:26:14.000 Frankly, we haven't had a lot of tyranny in this country, and we weren't right across the channel from Nazi Germany, and I just think we've been so isolated that people... It's like when humans go into areas where, say, sheep have never seen humans.

02:26:27.000 You can walk right up to them and knock them in the head, but you... I mean, it's pretty simple.

02:26:32.000 Animals that haven't been hunted aren't afraid.

02:26:34.000 That's the take that I have.

02:26:37.000 I mean, my book is pretty provocative.

02:26:39.000 I was in New York on 9-11.

02:26:40.000 I was there.

02:26:41.000 I was half a mile from the World Trade Center.

02:26:44.000 I saw the things collapse.

02:26:45.000 It was shocking.

02:26:46.000 But, and I said this when I came on a tour, a book tour around America, the whole thing's been taken completely out of proportion.

02:26:52.000 And it's being used as a way to promote values that are not consistent with America's core values.

02:26:59.000 And do nothing to protect us from terrorism.

02:27:01.000 Well, you know, the jury's out on that.

02:27:04.000 It certainly hasn't protected us from terrorism in London.

02:27:06.000 We had an attack in London in July.

02:27:08.000 But you saw the reaction of the Brits.

02:27:10.000 They're pretty fanguine about it.

02:27:13.000 Well, we'll come right back with a final segment with our guest and let Celica Stillo ask you a couple questions. 1.00

02:27:19.000 So stay with us, my friends.

02:27:20.000 And I know Dr. Deagle's holding.

02:27:22.000 We'll get a comment from him before we run out of time.

02:27:24.000 If he's got time, stay with us as well.

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02:30:55.000 I fell into a burning ring of fire.

02:30:58.000 You know, love is a burning thing and it makes a fiery ring.

02:31:03.000 And I love my family, and I am not backing off.

02:31:06.000 I'm not going to let a bunch of gangsters run my society.

02:31:09.000 That's the norm in human history. 0.99

02:31:11.000 Strong men, thugs, king rats. 0.97

02:31:13.000 Get them to control. 0.99

02:31:14.000 They think they can run your life.

02:31:16.000 And let me tell you, I've studied Bill Clinton.

02:31:17.000 I've studied George Bush.

02:31:18.000 I've studied his daddy.

02:31:19.000 I've studied them all.

02:31:21.000 And they're gangsters.

02:31:22.000 And Stella Costello, again, the highest-ranking DA agent in Latin America.

02:31:27.000 Army, sniper, Vietnam, police officer, detective.

02:31:29.000 Are we dealing with a government run by gangsters?

02:31:31.000 Yes sir, we are.

02:31:33.000 There's a history to show that our government has been involved in all kinds of atrocities going back to the history of our government.

02:31:40.000 And we'll continue to do that unless we do something about it and put a stop to it.

02:31:44.000 And every evil that we have fought is because people did stand up.

02:31:46.000 We've got a few minutes left with Professor Phillip Sands, who's written the new book, Lawless World, second edition.

02:31:54.000 It's the major headlines in the U.K. right now because in it, Bush is basically telling Blair what to do.

02:32:01.000 And just recapping for new listeners that just joined us.

02:32:04.000 And he's in there saying we can paint up planes, spy planes like U.N. planes, try to get Saddam to shoot them down, and then claim he attacked the U.N. as a reason to invade.

02:32:12.000 That's total.

02:32:13.000 We were talking about hiring Cubans to blow up Olympic planes to then blame it on Fidel. 1.00

02:32:18.000 It's the same story.

02:32:19.000 We're talking about that the last hour.

02:32:21.000 And then now they're also talking here about having informants come out and claim they saw WMDs.

02:32:27.000 Professor, I know Sully's got one or two questions for you, but before he asks those and then we let you go, any other key points you'd like to make, Professor, who, again, is one of the highest level barristers in England and even works in the same court as the prime minister's wife, and he came into the possession of these documents. is one of the highest level barristers in England and Any other key points you'd like to make?

02:32:47.000 Well, I think we've touched on all the main issues, and I think the main thing is now we've got to get the message out, we've got to get this material around, we've got to get people focusing on it, because basically, we've all been duped.

02:32:56.000 We have a Prime Minister and a President, Who basically told us, as we call it in the Eastern of London, Porky Pies!

02:33:03.000 And those porcupines have led us into a situation in the Middle East, in Iraq, from which we need to extricate ourselves, and we've got to do so quickly. 0.99

02:33:11.000 So the sooner people cotton on to what's going on here, the better.

02:33:14.000 But that's how a Ponzi scheme works.

02:33:16.000 Bush is getting ready to take it to the next level.

02:33:18.000 You know, these scams implode, and you were an investigator, you know this better than I, Selly.

02:33:24.000 Either these scams implode, or they get bigger.

02:33:28.000 And Selly, can you comment on that?

02:33:29.000 How they always try to up it, it always gets bigger?

02:33:32.000 Well, as you've seen it now, you know, they're taking it to different levels now, and it's higher levels, and people are still not reacting.

02:33:41.000 They're seeing it, and they're in denial, and that's the major problem, and they're arrogant about what they're doing.

02:33:47.000 Well, that's what Hitler did. 0.96

02:33:49.000 You specifically have got some questions for the Professor.

02:33:52.000 Yes, Professor.

02:33:53.000 My question to you is, what are the ramifications that you've had since you released those documents?

02:33:59.000 Sorry, I didn't quite get the beginning part of your question.

02:34:01.000 I'm slightly cut out.

02:34:02.000 Can you repeat the question?

02:34:04.000 Yeah, what were the ramifications about you releasing those records?

02:34:09.000 Well, personally, I've had no ramifications at all.

02:34:12.000 I've got a tremendous amount of support in this country, in Britain, and people have been calling me all day long, saying, good on you, well done, and the government is not denying anything.

02:34:22.000 The ramifications politically, we don't know what they're going to be yet, because all of this has just happened today.

02:34:27.000 We're literally in the first 12 hours of this happening.

02:34:30.000 Now, I mean, I first reported on this right at the end of the transmission of the broadcast yesterday.

02:34:35.000 Normally, if something isn't true, they would respond within minutes or hours.

02:34:41.000 The fact that they've been sitting here, sitting on this for a while, you know, 24 hours... Well, Alex, it's even better than that.

02:34:48.000 They've responded.

02:34:49.000 We've had a response from the White House, and we've had a response from Number 10 Downing Street, and neither of them have denied the existence of this document.

02:34:56.000 Neither of them have denied the content of the document.

02:34:58.000 But I guess they're going to maybe claim somebody needs to be arrested for releasing classified documents.

02:35:03.000 I love it how in the past they've gone after people that release these documents, don't deny that this stuff's going on, but the real crimes are going on, but then they will try to then say that somebody's a traitor for releasing documents.

02:35:17.000 Professor Sands?

02:35:18.000 Well, I mean, there are proceedings going on in the UK on other people who've been shipping around documents, and I suppose the possibility can't be excluded that they may come after me, but I suspect they'll be concerned about what else is out there, and if I were them, I'd want to try to kick the story into touch.

02:35:34.000 Get rid of it, and that's not done by prosecuting people.

02:35:36.000 So, you know, who knows?

02:35:37.000 They may prosecute, they may bring proceedings... That's what Shelley said last hour about himself, Shelley.

02:35:42.000 Professor, do you think there is another smoking gun in there that they're concerned about?

02:35:47.000 Well, I don't happen to think there's going to be the perfect smoking gun that actually proves definitively that the whole thing was a plot and a lie and so on and so forth.

02:35:54.000 But I think the compilation of all the documents, the Downing Street Memo, we like to call this one the White House Meeting Memo.

02:36:01.000 The White House Meeting Memo shows definitively, I think, they knew there was no evidence and they were reduced to plotting these types of shenanigans of sending spy planes up.

02:36:12.000 Well, Shelly was saying, you know, he's released a lot of documents about government drug trafficking, and that's what he said last hour.

02:36:17.000 They like to ignore him, even though you've been on national TV quite a few times.

02:36:21.000 Predominantly, they like to ignore him because when they attack him, it just exposes them even more.

02:36:28.000 Let me give you an example.

02:36:28.000 Exactly.

02:36:30.000 I went to the National Archives, and I asked for the Orang Contra files, and they came up and they brought me a wagon full of them.

02:36:38.000 And I made a whole bunch of copies.

02:36:40.000 The following day I went back and they had all been reclassified as top secret but they weren't aware of what was it that I was able to obtain and those are the same files that Bush does not want to release.

02:36:53.000 That goes back in the 80s.

02:36:55.000 And you put some of those on the website.

02:36:56.000 Exactly.

02:36:57.000 I do have some that are going on the website now.

02:36:59.000 And we have links to that on InfoWars.com right now.

02:37:01.000 So, let me ask you your question.

02:37:03.000 As a barrister, high-level prosecuting, litigating lawyer there in England, working in the biggest courts of the land, most powerful courts in the land, working in and around all these powerful people, what's the sense?

02:37:15.000 You say the tide's turned.

02:37:16.000 Do you see Bush and Blair getting impeached?

02:37:19.000 Do you see their war machine, their juggernaut, stalling before they can invade Iran? 0.67

02:37:26.000 Or will they use Iran as a massive distraction to get all this other dirt off the front pages?

02:37:31.000 Well, the tide has turned, and there is an impeachment process underway at the moment in the United Kingdom.

02:37:38.000 It's very early phases.

02:37:39.000 I don't know whether it's going to take off.

02:37:41.000 And, of course, we do know that the Democrats in the House of Representatives in the U.S. in Washington are looking very carefully at the question of impeachment.

02:37:48.000 Oh.

02:37:51.000 Alright, selling any other questions you've got for our guest?

02:37:53.000 Do you think, Professor, that the votes will be there to try to impeach the President?

02:37:58.000 Well, I've had a couple of calls today.

02:38:00.000 It's interesting you say that.

02:38:01.000 What would happen in the event that in the mid-term Congressional elections there's a change of control of the House?

02:38:09.000 And I think in those circumstances the mood would change very dramatically.

02:38:14.000 I mean, I personally believe there is enough material that's now there in the public domain That indicates a strong basis that we were purposely misled about the information that they had.

02:38:27.000 And in some people's eyes, that is the basis for impeachment.

02:38:32.000 But on the other side of that token, say there is an investigation, Professor.

02:38:38.000 Say they are found guilty of whatever they're doing.

02:38:41.000 At the end of the day, Will not the President of the United States be pardoned by the incoming President?

02:38:48.000 Well, that's a matter for you.

02:38:50.000 You know, I'm sitting here in London.

02:38:51.000 You're in Austin, Texas.

02:38:53.000 You've got a better sense than I do about the political lay of the land.

02:38:57.000 But the crucial issue is not that they end up in court.

02:39:02.000 Or in prison, but that in the court of public opinion, they'd be remembered for their responsibility.

02:39:07.000 So you're saying they'll be convicted and totally discredited in the court of public opinion?

02:39:11.000 I think that's already happened, and Bush is saying, hey, I've still got two and a half years left, and I'll just do whatever I want, so c'est la vie, nanny nanny boo boo, and he's just in our face, and it's just really scary.

02:39:23.000 Well, I want to thank you for joining us and spending this time with us, Professor, and if any new developments come out, I would love to be able to have you back on the broadcast.

02:39:31.000 I've sent you an email with all my details.

02:39:33.000 I hope that reaches you.

02:39:35.000 Thank you so much.

02:39:36.000 Take care, Professor.

02:39:37.000 Well, there he goes, working in the government, the highest court in the land, there with Sherry Blair.

02:39:41.000 So I guess he's able to get these documents.

02:39:44.000 And, yeah, it just came in.

02:39:45.000 They are now not even denying these.

02:39:48.000 And I guess the next thing we'll hear is that the crime is that these documents were released.

02:39:52.000 That's a... Bush could get arrested for that.

02:39:55.000 I mean, putting our troops in harm's way, dressed up like U.N. 0.98

02:39:59.000 planes, U.N.

02:40:00.000 soldiers, to get them shot down, send them on missions to get them shot down, so that they can then invade.

02:40:07.000 That is criminal, Sully.

02:40:09.000 I mean, look at the people that are going to be shot down.

02:40:09.000 Absolutely.

02:40:11.000 I mean, how are you going to explain it?

02:40:13.000 I remember in Salvador, we had a special ranger unit that came in from Fort Benning, Georgia.

02:40:19.000 And they were in there to run the ambush tactics on the guerrillas up there.

02:40:24.000 They themselves got, they got ambushed.

02:40:26.000 And how did our government cover it up?

02:40:28.000 They brought in, put them on a C-130, all the bodies, they put them in there, and they took them out to Fort Benning, Georgia, and they staged a helicopter accident.

02:40:38.000 So they could say that they were killed in a train accident.

02:40:41.000 They do that every week now.

02:40:42.000 Yeah, they do it all the time. 0.99

02:40:43.000 So they do have their ways of doing things.

02:40:47.000 Well, they admit that when the troops are flown out of Iraq and die outside of Iraq, that's not a casualty.

02:40:53.000 So the real number was over 9,000 last time I checked, not 2,245.

02:40:58.000 Exactly.

02:40:59.000 And you know, what's sad about it, we all know that in Vietnam, 58,000 soldiers were killed.

02:41:05.000 But the real number is that Three times that number of the veterans that came back committed suicide.

02:41:13.000 Also, here's an example, from 1962 with operations until 1968, excuse me, 1967, not one casualty was admitted with all the quote advisors.

02:41:24.000 Then once the war really got kicked off, then they later admitted them. 0.98

02:41:27.000 So it's not the first time they've done this, and I think it was like 10,000 dead troops in that period of time, but it was just kept quiet.

02:41:34.000 I mean, they kept 10,000 dead troops quiet.

02:41:37.000 I mean, that's now admitted.

02:41:39.000 So people think it's a stretch today that they're doing it, but now they don't just lie about it, they just statistically manipulate it and go, we don't count you if you die on the C-130 going to Rammstein.

02:41:50.000 And that's the problem the veterans are having when they're coming back here trying to get treatment on it.

02:41:55.000 They're saying it's not service connected.

02:41:57.000 Oh, I saw that in the news where they will just not fill out the right forms and people will even have legs blown off.

02:42:01.000 They're going, no, you don't get treatment.

02:42:03.000 And they go, what do you mean?

02:42:04.000 A landmine blew my leg off.

02:42:05.000 Exactly.

02:42:06.000 So, you know, and we're not prepared back here at home to take care of these veterans coming back like that.

02:42:11.000 Well, also the ratio of just casualties of incredible injuries are, what was it, three times higher than any other war?

02:42:18.000 Because normally you just get killed.

02:42:20.000 The body armor is so good that when an artillery shell goes off next to you, you live, but the shockwave is turning their organs into jelly, and these guys are going to be invalids for their whole lives.

02:42:31.000 Better off, in some cases, I've heard the troops say, dead than, you know, quad amputees. 1.00

02:42:37.000 Have you seen these guys with both arms and legs blown off?

02:42:40.000 I just saw a couple of real pretty girls from Georgia, 19 years old, and, you know, they focus on the face, and then as they pull back, they got no arms and no legs. 0.57

02:42:40.000 Exactly. 0.57

02:42:50.000 So it's kind of sad, yet they're going to get their GI Bill paid to go to college and do what?

02:42:58.000 I've been in office my max I'm in there and you see these I've seen you know double dose amputees both their legs blown off black guys white guys and I walk over they got the short haircuts they looked all freaked out and I go did you just get back from Iraq yeah yeah and they're still their legs are wrapped They aren't even healed yet, and the government's giving them so little money that they have to be working.

02:43:25.000 I commend them working at CompUSA or OfficeMax or wherever.

02:43:28.000 I commend those places hiring them, but they shouldn't have to work when their wounds haven't even healed.

02:43:33.000 Exactly.

02:43:33.000 And people, I think, are realizing now, they're seeing how we're treating our veterans.

02:43:39.000 And uh... especially with the red tape, I'm trying to get help.

02:43:43.000 Housing and uh... disability and so forth.

02:43:46.000 I'm sure you've seen it where they have to pay for their own plane tickets back from Iraq.

02:43:51.000 Not only that, they're paying two dollars for their food while they're in the hospitals.

02:43:55.000 I saw that.

02:43:55.000 Yeah.

02:43:56.000 So you know, they're in there paying... I saw four dollars.

02:43:58.000 It was four dollars a day or something like that.

02:44:01.000 And uh... basically that's what it is and people are realizing, you know, we just had a young boy got killed uh... from South Texas.

02:44:07.000 That was his fifth tour.

02:44:09.000 In Iraq.

02:44:10.000 So, they're sending them back.

02:44:11.000 We're out of bodies.

02:44:13.000 Yeah, I saw that.

02:44:14.000 He was starting his fifth tour.

02:44:15.000 The tour was, what, 11 months?

02:44:17.000 And think about it.

02:44:18.000 A year build-up.

02:44:19.000 Three years there now.

02:44:20.000 That's four years.

02:44:22.000 And even in World War II.

02:44:23.000 Catch 22.

02:44:24.000 22 bombing missions.

02:44:25.000 Vietnam.

02:44:26.000 You're out.

02:44:26.000 11 months.

02:44:27.000 Because they know still about a third of the people broke down.

02:44:31.000 Now they're using them up like tires that you run until they're bald and then they blow out.

02:44:35.000 I mean, how do you make somebody be in hardcore, intense combat Some of the Army Rangers I was reading a report, they'll do upwards of 14 raids a day.

02:44:45.000 If they try to make a city sweeper cop, and then a detective, if they made cops do 14 raids a day, how long would those cops survive until they fell apart?

02:44:55.000 No, I mean... Shelley, talk to that.

02:44:57.000 You're a... Yeah, exactly.

02:44:59.000 And what happens is you drop your guard on it.

02:45:03.000 Because it gets so boring, so...

02:45:06.000 It's like you're waiting for the bullet to come in with your name on it and at the end of the day you just don't care anymore.

02:45:14.000 Now to explain post-traumatic stress because you were also obviously in hardcore combat as a sergeant leading teams even in Cambodia as you said in the first hour.

02:45:23.000 To explain this I haven't experienced it myself but I've talked to a lot of folks.

02:45:26.000 Explain it.

02:45:27.000 Even though you're getting shot at you're so burnt out that you just kind of what?

02:45:32.000 Yeah, PTSD is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which is something that we get, all combat veterans get it.

02:45:38.000 Cops get it too.

02:45:39.000 Cops get it too and so forth, but I'm suffering from a three compound version of PTSD because I had it in Vietnam and I got it in a That's a police officer and I got it with the DEA when we were training those people down in South America and people were getting whacked all the time.

02:45:56.000 And it's simple, it doesn't matter how tough you are.

02:45:58.000 You know what, BTS, he can never ever be cured but he can be controlled under medication and it's very hard to be on medication and try to survive in this world.

02:46:10.000 But I mean, but to explain what it does physically, you cannot stay continually for more than a year in a life and death situation every day without it screwing you up.

02:46:18.000 We're not meant to always be going at 110% and our military knew no more than a year.

02:46:25.000 How do you keep somebody in country for four years?

02:46:28.000 They've never done that before.

02:46:29.000 No one's done that.

02:46:30.000 Exactly, and that's what it is when you don't have the bodies, the fresh bodies to go back in there.

02:46:36.000 We send a guard in there, we send a reservist, and now we're out of them, and who's next?

02:46:40.000 And they're talking about kicking in the draft come next year, to draft not only males, but females.

02:46:47.000 So if that kicks in, you know, people are going to get drafted.

02:46:50.000 Well, I brought this up to neocons.

02:46:52.000 I go, how are you supposed to keep them in there three, four tours when they're doing house to house every day? 0.99

02:46:57.000 And, and they just go, Oh, shut up. 0.94

02:47:00.000 You don't know nothing. 0.99

02:47:01.000 I'm like, it's scientific fact that these troops are going to be totally screwed up.

02:47:05.000 I mean, it's a guarantee.

02:47:07.000 Exactly.

02:47:07.000 You get burned out and you just drop your guard.

02:47:10.000 And you know, uh, it's not the same kicking the first door in and that you kicked the The 50th door in, by that time, physically and mentally, you're not stable.

02:47:21.000 Because kicking in a door, the blood flow of the brain increases, the core organs increases, adrenaline and endorphins are released, and basically it's a natural drug, but you're not supposed to juice that 14 times a day, 300 days a year.

02:47:38.000 Exactly, and at the very end, there's no more juice.

02:47:41.000 You're like a zombie.

02:47:42.000 You're just going in there doing what you think you're doing.

02:47:45.000 And sometimes it's not the right thing that you do.

02:47:48.000 So you experienced that when you were young?

02:47:49.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

02:47:50.000 Especially undercover work.

02:47:52.000 When I did a lot of undercover work, man, it was great.

02:47:54.000 It was fun.

02:47:55.000 It was the very beginning, you know.

02:47:57.000 And then, you know, you started putting your life on the line for thinking that something that you're doing for your country, when in fact, You know, you're dispensable.

02:48:04.000 You get killed, and we've got a lot of undercover agents that got killed.

02:48:07.000 I've talked to other undercover agents.

02:48:08.000 They say, after years of doing it, they can be the most dangerous drug dealer in the world, who will cut your head off with a chainsaw.

02:48:15.000 Those are real stories.

02:48:16.000 If you do one thing wrong, and you just don't even care, you're just there doing the deal.

02:48:20.000 Exactly, and you know, you're trying to push.

02:48:22.000 You've got pressure from the supervisors to try to put as much powder on the table as you can.

02:48:28.000 And that's how you get promoted.

02:48:29.000 That's how agents get promoted.

02:48:30.000 How many informants you got?

02:48:32.000 How many kilos of coke do you have?

02:48:34.000 I personally, myself, see over 10,000 kilos of cocaine in Central America.

02:48:39.000 We'll be right back.

02:48:39.000 We'll talk to Dr. Diego and Cal.

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02:52:57.000 We'll take these two final calls in case we run out of time.

02:53:00.000 Sully, I want to thank you for defending this country and my family right now against... I mean, I want to thank you for defending my family against these criminals.

02:53:08.000 Thank you, thank you.

02:53:09.000 No, thank you, my friend.

02:53:10.000 Dr. Diegel, you're on the air.

02:53:12.000 Thanks for holding.

02:53:12.000 Welcome, sir.

02:53:13.000 Yeah, thanks, Alex, and thanks, Sully.

02:53:15.000 It's people like you that really make America the greatest country on Earth, despite the evil things that are going on.

02:53:21.000 I wanted a few high points.

02:53:25.000 Scott Glee Air Force Base in Peterson.

02:53:26.000 We had C-130s going out and I have friends on the inside that actually saw the equipment going over and the dope coming back.

02:53:34.000 And one of them in fact, because he freaked out after he saw this, he actually committed suicide.

02:53:38.000 The other is a lot of our vets are coming back and one of them was, I had a number of my friends that were over there, some of them patients and in the reserve forces and they came back and committed suicide.

02:53:48.000 Next comment is about... Well, some of these people aren't committing suicide, but I'm sorry, go ahead.

02:53:52.000 They're being suicided, especially if they start talking about stuff like the C-130s.

02:53:57.000 But it's a regular occurrence that that's happening.

02:54:00.000 Second thing is, this program today is probably one of the most important you've ever done, because there's a quarter trillion dollars a year that comes into America through the illegal laundering of money through the state department that's accurate isn't it showing absolutely that's yeah it's over 250 million

02:54:17.000 I think this is the most important program you've done maybe in a year Alex because if people don't get the connection between Bush and Blair between the drugs and everything else and the the real issue is our Congress and Senate are supposed to rule over the spending of money and we have to leave but I mean you brought up people getting killed a hundred percent of the people who are Who was that army officer, the colonel who got shot in the back of the head?

02:54:37.000 It was at the El Toro Naval Base.

02:54:42.000 Now you've written about that.

02:54:43.000 I mean, they really do kill people.

02:54:45.000 Dr. Deagle, I've got to get you back on.

02:54:47.000 I appreciate it.

02:54:47.000 That's the main comment I wanted to make.

02:54:49.000 I really appreciate it, Sully and Alex.

02:54:50.000 This is an awesome show.

02:54:51.000 Thank you so much.

02:54:52.000 Let's talk to Cal in San Francisco.

02:54:54.000 Last caller, Cal.

02:54:55.000 Go ahead.

02:54:56.000 Hey there, Alex.

02:54:56.000 How are you doing?

02:54:57.000 Good, my friend.

02:54:58.000 A quick little rally call here.

02:55:00.000 You are definitely doing a lot of work, but everyone listening can do the same thing, and it's really simple, and I have just a couple points to remember when doing it.

02:55:09.000 Basically, in fighting these people, they are relentless, so everyone here has to be active and relentless, and the first step is really awareness.

02:55:16.000 And to me, what led me into what opened the floodgates was two things.

02:55:19.000 One, 9-11 and the facts that are just wrong, and the fact that the media is complicit.

02:55:25.000 And once you realize those two facts and the, like, importance of them, the whole world opens up and changes.

02:55:31.000 So all you've got to do is make copies on a Xerox of, you know, links that you know.

02:55:36.000 I hear you.

02:55:37.000 We're out of time.

02:55:37.000 You're going to have to call me back tomorrow, Cal.

02:55:39.000 But, hey, people can go to prisonplanet.tv.

02:55:41.000 We're going to post this interview.

02:55:43.000 Burn copies of this.

02:55:43.000 Put it on CD.

02:55:44.000 Put it on tape.

02:55:45.000 Give it to friends and family.

02:55:46.000 Post it on your website.

02:55:48.000 Get it out to people.

02:55:49.000 Celica Stillo, I'll tell you, two and a half hours blasted past with you. 0.85

02:55:53.000 It sure did, and it was fun, and it was great to be here.

02:55:55.000 Well, I'll tell you, I'm going to have some event in the future here in Austin with some really key people coming into town, and I hope you'll be part of it.

02:56:01.000 I sure hope so.

02:56:02.000 Did you like coming into Austin today to visit with us?

02:56:04.000 Oh yes, it was great.

02:56:06.000 Well, thank you for coming into the new studio with us, and I really consider you a friend of the show and want to commend you, my brother, for all you've done.

02:56:13.000 Thank you so much.

02:56:14.000 You bet.

02:56:15.000 To everybody out there, Vaya con Dios, get out there and take on the new world order.

02:56:19.000 Stand up against these bullies and support whistleblowers like Celica Stillo.

02:56:23.000 Take care.

02:56:23.000 Get the book.

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