Alex Jones Show - 20060607_Wed_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

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00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Welcome, my friends. my friends.

00:00:41.000 Thank you for joining us on this live Wednesday edition of the 7th day of June 2006.

00:00:48.000 We have Professor Stephen E. Jones.

00:00:51.000 He's a physics professor, has a doctorate in physics, joining us.

00:00:55.000 Huge new developments.

00:00:57.000 They were able to get some of the samples of the support columns of the beams from Tower 1 and Tower 2.

00:01:07.000 They were able to get samples from the point at which they had been mysteriously cut as if by a hot knife through butter.

00:01:17.000 They have tested the substance and it has the byproducts that you would see precisely with thermite, but not just with thermite.

00:01:24.000 The exact patented type of thermite that is specifically used for cutting large columns.

00:01:34.000 Oh yes!

00:01:35.000 And then you're going to ask, where did they get these samples?

00:01:43.000 All over the country!

00:01:46.000 All over the nation!

00:01:48.000 They have these little remembrance propaganda 9-11 sites that they use to sell the destruction of our freedoms and the birth of their world government.

00:01:58.000 There's dozens and dozens of them across the country.

00:02:00.000 There's some in Canada.

00:02:01.000 There's some in foreign nations.

00:02:03.000 And under scientific controls, they have removed samples from several of these.

00:02:09.000 They have tested them.

00:02:10.000 It's been peer-reviewed.

00:02:12.000 Other physicists and engineers have taken part in the testing.

00:02:17.000 We have not released those names at this time.

00:02:20.000 And Stephen Jones has released many of his findings.

00:02:22.000 He's releasing all of it here in the near future.

00:02:27.000 This is huge.

00:02:28.000 This is so huge.

00:02:30.000 Just a few months ago, we saw the video, the photos of the hot molten steel pouring out of the building.

00:02:41.000 The 9-11 Commission tried to claim it was aluminum, which of course it wasn't.

00:02:44.000 Well, now they have had a chance to test it.

00:02:47.000 That is coming up in the next hour with Professor Stephen Jones.

00:02:55.000 In the meantime, Connecticut city leaders okay riverfront evictions.

00:03:01.000 It's happening right now and they're not even being given just compensation.

00:03:08.000 The homes have been condemned.

00:03:10.000 They're giving them a lot value and in some cases they're going to charge them rent for the last five years that they fought the city.

00:03:20.000 So in the future if you fight the city, the county, or any other group taking your private property for a private interest You will not be paid fair value.

00:03:29.000 In fact, you'll be paid almost nothing.

00:03:31.000 Or you may even have to pay them money for the privilege of them taking your land. 1.00

00:03:38.000 This is land of the slaves, home of the cowards. 1.00

00:03:42.000 I mean, let's just boil down what it is here. 0.94

00:03:47.000 City officials voted Monday night to evict residents who refused to leave their riverfront homes.

00:03:53.000 Signaling that the end is near in an eminent domain dispute that reached the U.S.

00:03:58.000 Supreme Court.

00:04:00.000 Of course, that's an improper term here from Associated Press writer Steven Singer.

00:04:05.000 It's not an eminent domain dispute.

00:04:07.000 It's something new in U.S.

00:04:09.000 history.

00:04:10.000 Private interests want your property for condominiums or for a chemical plant or for a pharmacological Headquarters for Big Pharma, and they just take it.

00:04:25.000 They just take it.

00:04:27.000 So we'll be getting into this wonderful freedom, one of the many new freedoms we have, the freedom to have our property taken.

00:04:37.000 We'll also get into some good news, New Orleans Chief of Police backs down on gun confiscation, at least for now.

00:04:49.000 City Councilman compares Cleveland teens to terrorists, says they have no rights.

00:04:54.000 There's a lot of news.

00:04:55.000 It's all important.

00:04:56.000 Stay with us.

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00:08:09.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:12.000 Big developments in the controlled demolition of World Trade Center Tower 1, 2, and 7.

00:08:30.000 - Mm-hmm.

00:08:31.000 We have Professor Stephen E. Jones joining us in the next hour.

00:08:34.000 They have tested steel from the collapse.

00:08:38.000 They were able to get a hold of specific steel that had been cut in neat little pieces during the collapse.

00:08:44.000 And sure enough, All of the exact derivatives, the byproducts of thermite, but not just thermite cutting charges, the patented specific industry type of thermite that's had some other elements, some other chemicals added to it.

00:09:01.000 Extremely conclusive.

00:09:04.000 He'll be joining us for this breaking news coming up in the next hour.

00:09:09.000 It's so important that he hasn't been doing radio interviews.

00:09:13.000 I was the first person to interview him on radio and then shortly after that he ceased doing radio interviews because he was besieged by calls.

00:09:20.000 Well, he will be coming back out here on the air, coming up in the next hour, so you definitely do not want to miss that.

00:09:32.000 In the meantime, in the last The first segment I mentioned the New London Connecticut ruling of last year saying that a private interest, and this is in the Supreme Court ruling, go and lobby a city, a county, or a state to take your private property that they are allowed to give campaign contributions to your elected servants.

00:09:58.000 You notice they've been calling themselves officials, authorities, our bosses, oh your great excellency city council member, oh your honorable mayor, honorable judge.

00:10:12.000 All of this is so un-American.

00:10:15.000 Fits right in in Napoleonic France or Caesar's Rome, or Fidel Castro's Cuba, but not here.

00:10:22.000 But we're going into slavery, going into bondage, as every other civilization has.

00:10:27.000 They always do.

00:10:28.000 The average American's been told by the media that tyranny doesn't exist in America, never could, never will, and that everything's just fine, it can't happen here.

00:10:36.000 It is happening here.

00:10:39.000 City officials voted Monday night to evict residents who refused to leave the riverfront homes, signaling the end to the dispute that reached the U.S.

00:10:49.000 Supreme Court.

00:10:50.000 The City Council approved the action 5-2.

00:10:53.000 The City Attorney will now go to court to seek the removal of the remaining two families and obtain the properties in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood, a process that could take three months.

00:11:04.000 The City has been trying for a decade to redevelop the once vibrant neighborhood at the point where the Thames River joins the sea.

00:11:13.000 Several homeowners challenged the city's plans to seize the property and build a hotel, convention center, and upscale condominiums saying eminent domain can't be used to make way for private development.

00:11:28.000 Now let's be clear here.

00:11:29.000 You notice how the Associated Press spins this.

00:11:32.000 The once vibrant neighborhood.

00:11:35.000 And then they go on to admit that for a decade they've quote been trying to take it.

00:11:40.000 For a decade they've walked up to, in some cases, three-story beautiful Victorian homes with porches all the way around them, with multiple generations of families living there, doctors, lawyers, software engineers.

00:11:56.000 These are the type of individuals we've interviewed on this broadcast.

00:12:00.000 The houses are valued on average at over $300,000 a piece.

00:12:08.000 We've seen private interest stealing land for a while for what they call blighted areas.

00:12:15.000 And I'm against that.

00:12:16.000 If somebody owns their house, no one should be able to take it unless it's something like a highway.

00:12:21.000 That's it. 1.00

00:12:22.000 Not a stupid football stadium, not a golf course, not a shopping mall. 0.99

00:12:26.000 I don't care what economic development it brings to the area or if the real estate council wants to snatch the land so they can then make more profits off the property they own around it. 1.00

00:12:37.000 That's what this is all about.

00:12:41.000 And so when you hear that it's a once vibrant area, that's implying that it's blighted.

00:12:48.000 It's not.

00:12:50.000 It has come to a bad state in many areas because they bulldozed most of the homes.

00:12:57.000 They will go by the houses on both sides of your home and then bulldoze those and smash those and run jackhammers at 2 a.m.

00:13:04.000 to harass you.

00:13:05.000 Bulldozers have pulled up to homes threatening people saying it's condemned, come out we're gonna bulldoze it.

00:13:11.000 I mean this type of stuff has gone on over and over and over again on a monthly basis there.

00:13:18.000 Police harassing people, harassing demonstrators, it's a mess.

00:13:25.000 But the biggest Point to this whole story that the mainstream media has never picked up on.

00:13:30.000 It has been in local papers.

00:13:33.000 They're in the New London area, in Connecticut.

00:13:36.000 It has been published.

00:13:38.000 It's admitted.

00:13:40.000 That what they do is they come in and say well now we're going to give you $60,000 for your home that's $305,000 on the tax rolls because you refuse to sell it to us and so now we're just condemning it so when we do pay you off we're just going to give you $60-something thousand dollars and oh by the way we're then going to sue you claiming that for the five years you've been fighting us in one case of Michael Cristofaro who we've interviewed

00:14:09.000 Because you held us up and that was really our property the whole time.

00:14:13.000 So they're talking about nuisance, harassment, really racketeering type lawsuits.

00:14:20.000 And there are several other facets that have made it into the national news, but the national media behaves as if it's kosher, as if it's okay, as if it's acceptable.

00:14:32.000 And that is that multiple members of the City Council have their husbands and wives

00:14:37.000 on the New London Connecticut Development Board or Development Group is a quasi private slash governmental organization that openly takes millions of dollars from the major developers to then go out and lobby and some of the husbands and wives of city council members are pulling down in some cases over two hundred thousand dollars a year.

00:15:04.000 Oh that's not a conflict of interest One of the city councilmen's wife is on the board of the group that then comes and pays campaign contributions directly to the city council, to the county commissioners, and to many of the other elected officials, authorities, i.e.

00:15:25.000 our masters, our bosses.

00:15:29.000 CNN had a poll on Lou Dobbs' program last year about this, and 99% of respondents, and it was a scientific poll, Ninety-nine percent are against the New London Connecticut ruling, Supreme Court ruling.

00:15:43.000 Does the government care?

00:15:46.000 Do they care that in Texas, 97% in the Houston Chronicle polls are against most of the major highways being converted over to toll roads and it's owned by a foreign company?

00:15:57.000 No!

00:15:58.000 The majority of the politicians are for it.

00:16:00.000 They're on the payroll.

00:16:00.000 They've already taken the money.

00:16:02.000 And it's the same case.

00:16:03.000 City Councilman, People on the State Campo Board, their husbands, their wives, their sons, their daughters.

00:16:12.000 It's incredible.

00:16:13.000 Some of them are pulling down $300,000 a year.

00:16:15.000 Just open payoffs in plain view.

00:16:19.000 And that's even in our papers.

00:16:21.000 And they just thumbed their nose and said, hey, we put the police chiefs in. 0.87

00:16:26.000 We control the state police.

00:16:27.000 We control the grand juries.

00:16:29.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:16:32.000 We're going to rob you!

00:16:35.000 I mean that's the attitude!

00:16:36.000 Oh! 0.60

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00:17:14.000 95% of us in major polls are against it?

00:17:19.000 It's unconstitutional, it's Soviet style, it's horrible, it's Brave New World, it's Big Brother. 1.00

00:17:24.000 They don't care, they passed it.

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00:17:49.000 It's all a sick joke.

00:17:50.000 Same thing with Schwarzenegger, same thing with Perry. 1.00

00:17:53.000 It is a sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick joke. 0.99

00:18:00.000 All of it. 0.99

00:18:00.000 It is grade A, pure, 24 karat gold corruption. 0.99

00:18:07.000 In your face, 110%, pulling out all the stops.

00:18:13.000 The president is announcing he is above the law on torture, NSA spying, open borders, buying fake news.

00:18:22.000 It's been ruled illegal.

00:18:26.000 Hillary Clinton's pro-war, Bush's pro-war.

00:18:28.000 It's just they don't care what the people want. 1.00

00:18:30.000 They're a pack of criminals. 0.84

00:18:32.000 We have been totally hijacked as a nation. 0.88

00:18:37.000 And now they're going to start taking the homes.

00:18:40.000 Michael Cristofaro, one of two holdout residents, spoke out before the vote against the property seizures and singled out the five council members who ended up voting to take the property.

00:18:52.000 You are a disgrace to the city, the state, and the nation, he said.

00:18:55.000 The other holdout was Suzette Kello, who we also interviewed, the lead plaintiff. 0.98

00:19:03.000 Governor M. Jody Rell had proposed letting the holdouts remain in their homes, but giving the city the right of first refusal if their houses were ever put up for sale.

00:19:12.000 The eviction process, which includes another court fight, would take a month to three months.

00:19:21.000 And a lot of people say, oh, that won't affect us, you know, my state won't do that.

00:19:25.000 Right here in Texas, these are middle class people.

00:19:28.000 Imagine, I mean, and the reason I make that point is not that middle class are any better than poor people, but it's when they start going after middle class people, we're in trouble. 0.87

00:19:36.000 Shows the boldness.

00:19:38.000 Remember Western Seafood?

00:19:39.000 Freeport, Texas?

00:19:42.000 A private interest wants the land they've had since 1940, and the state's moving to take it.

00:19:50.000 They're not even going to pay them.

00:19:52.000 Just compensation.

00:19:54.000 See, that's what's really in these rulings.

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00:24:08.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:24:13.000 Huge interview scheduled next hour with Professor Stephen Jones, Doctor of Physics, conclusive evidence of thermite bombs in the towers.

00:24:23.000 Thermite cutting charges.

00:24:25.000 You know, this is what happens.

00:24:27.000 We talk about the new London ruling and then we just kind of move on.

00:24:31.000 And people forget about it.

00:24:32.000 And, oh yeah, I remember that ruling.

00:24:34.000 And then all over the country, from New York to California to Oregon to Texas, I've even seen an Austin case where they're now trying to use this Supreme Court ruling.

00:24:43.000 They're moving to go after private property.

00:24:46.000 And that is so un-American, so anti-freedom.

00:24:51.000 I mean, even after the Magna Carta of 1215, there at the Battle of Runnymede in England, The king, if you were a free man, that's what they call people who weren't indentured servants or serfs who still lived as part of the patronage on nobles' property, no one could take your land.

00:25:12.000 No one could take it for taxes.

00:25:14.000 They could not get it.

00:25:17.000 But that has changed.

00:25:19.000 Even debtors, people who could go to jail, to debtors' prisons for not paying their debts, you still couldn't take somebody's home if they owned it outright.

00:25:28.000 Unless they had specifically gotten loans on the home itself.

00:25:33.000 So, now we are at the threshold of a whole new level of despotism.

00:25:40.000 So I would like to talk about this because hundreds and hundreds of families ten years ago, was over 200, refused to move out.

00:25:48.000 And so when the Associated Press says the once vibrant neighborhood, oh yes, most of it was bulldozed, most of it was torn up.

00:25:55.000 They bulldozed the restaurants, they bulldozed all of it.

00:25:57.000 People didn't want to sell.

00:26:00.000 Some did, some didn't.

00:26:03.000 And now private interests all over the country are moving in to take land.

00:26:08.000 I mean, the Western Seafood case, the Gore family, we had the third generation owner on.

00:26:16.000 His grandfather bought the land in the 40s.

00:26:18.000 His father worked for him.

00:26:20.000 He then grew up working there.

00:26:21.000 And it was in the Houston Chronicle, and Mr. Gore talked about it on air.

00:26:25.000 Do you know what they made in 2004 alone?

00:26:29.000 Because we interviewed them last year, and they were giving us the year before's numbers.

00:26:32.000 Guess what Western Seafood made profit-wise that very year?

00:26:39.000 Forty-four million dollars.

00:26:42.000 Now understand, Private interests are able to go in and make political contributions there in Freeport, Texas.

00:26:54.000 And by the way, it's the main heir to the mobile fortune who wants this big yacht club.

00:27:00.000 And he's already come in and muscled the land in two places.

00:27:06.000 And they're trying to pay Mr. Gore a fraction of what his huge dock space And a factory is worth.

00:27:16.000 Literally.

00:27:18.000 Now, do you think any of you are safe if a family that made $44 million in profit in 2004 isn't safe?

00:27:28.000 No.

00:27:29.000 None of us are safe.

00:27:32.000 So many people who make a million dollars a year, a hundred thousand dollars a year, whatever, you think you're members of the elite.

00:27:37.000 You're not.

00:27:39.000 You're not members of the elite.

00:27:41.000 Now, if you're the heir of the mobile fortune, yes, you're a member of the elite.

00:27:47.000 And this individual has gone in and openly given massive contributions to the City Council.

00:27:53.000 He basically owns the City Council.

00:27:55.000 And we've got to get Mr. Gore back on.

00:27:56.000 Last time I talked to him, he was on the verge of losing his property.

00:28:00.000 And, by the way, the city was, again, they're trying to set this precedent.

00:28:07.000 They're not even taking best price.

00:28:10.000 Okay, I mean always an imminent domain in the past they've had to pay what the property is on the tax rules and then the cost of moving a factory or moving a home and So, you're normally looking at about 20% over the tax rolls.

00:28:26.000 So, we're talking about almost $400,000 for a $300,000 house.

00:28:32.000 But, in New London, no!

00:28:34.000 We're going to give you, what was it, $61,000, $62,000, $65,000, I forget, it was $60-something thousand dollars that was in the newspaper that they were offering them for the lot value.

00:28:45.000 So, what happens is, They've got National Associations of Counties, National Associations of Cities, National Association of Mayors, National Association of Governors.

00:28:55.000 They've got the National Association of City Managers.

00:28:57.000 All of this, they've codified it and we're seeing the same thing in Ohio, Texas, Tennessee, California.

00:29:04.000 I see these cases every day now.

00:29:07.000 They're coming in and saying, we're only going to give you lot value.

00:29:13.000 So that's even bigger than the federal ruling Stating that if a private interest wants your land, they can come pay off politicians and take it.

00:29:26.000 So all that's happening here is highway robbery, extortion, racketeering is being legalized.

00:29:33.000 Remember the Supreme Court ruling last week?

00:29:37.000 Police officers, prosecutors, people who refuse to lie, people who blow the whistle on corruption, frame-ups in this one case.

00:29:46.000 They lose their jobs, you're not allowed to blow the whistle on felonies?

00:29:51.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

00:29:55.000 Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:30:02.000 Come on, Bill.

00:30:03.000 Two weeks ago you were riding a bicycle, and today you're showing up in your new car and telling me you're buying a house.

00:30:09.000 What did you do, rob Bill Gates?

00:30:10.000 No, John, I didn't rob Bill Gates.

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00:30:27.000 I'm already up to $25,000 just going on my third week!

00:30:31.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:30:32.000 What was that website again?

00:30:33.000 It's www.DidYouRobBillGates.com.

00:30:37.000 Now write this down, John.

00:30:38.000 You should go there and learn how this program can help you become financially independent, too.

00:30:43.000 Thanks, Bill.

00:30:43.000 I'm going there right now.

00:30:45.000 Check, please!

00:30:48.000 Uh, you got this one, right Bill?

00:30:49.000 Sure, John.

00:30:50.000 Don't forget, it's www.DidYouRobBillGates.com.

00:30:55.000 Next time, you'll be buying me lunch.

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00:32:56.000 I'm not trying to be negative about the state of this country. 0.89

00:33:21.000 But if your house is on fire, you shouldn't just lay in bed and say, oh, I'm going to be positive, I'm going to say it's not on fire, and then let you and your wife and your children burn to death.

00:33:34.000 You're going to admit to yourself it's on fire and try to get out of the home safely, try to get the family pets out as well if you're able to.

00:33:43.000 But that's not the case today in this country.

00:33:47.000 I mean, we have a president who is getting rid of the borders, The official Council on Foreign Relations policies are being implemented by the Canadian, U.S.

00:33:57.000 and Mexican governments.

00:33:59.000 Even national television admits we're going to have the Amero note very soon.

00:34:03.000 We are going into the American Union, and I heard a Neocon talk show host on national radio yesterday evening as I was driving in my car, and he had two callers in a row go, Bush's amnesty is a fraud, it's a scam, and the host said, yeah, I think Bush is just confused and has some bad advisors.

00:34:23.000 And then the callers were both saying, because I only had time to listen to two of them, but there was two in a row, well it's about the American Union, the Pan-American Union, it's official! 0.99

00:34:31.000 And the host would hang up on them and say, no, that's a conspiracy, Bush is just inept, he's just dumb. 0.99

00:34:38.000 They say that about everything! 0.99

00:34:40.000 I mean, when Dr. Frederick Whitehurst went public six, seven years ago saying that there was total fraud at the FBI crime lab framing people, the news said, that's impossible, they're too inept! 0.95

00:34:52.000 So the next time somebody gets caught robbing a bank wearing the black mask and has the gun and the gun's in somebody's head, just go, oh, I'm too inept to rob a bank. 0.84

00:35:00.000 I just wore this mask by accident. 0.63

00:35:03.000 I guess Enron was too inept to be running fake energy trading scams and have whole, you know, false stock markets they were showing members of the state legislatures in Congress. 0.98

00:35:14.000 No, ladies and gentlemen, the government would have you believe they're inept. 0.97

00:35:17.000 There's nothing inept about it. 0.95

00:35:19.000 They've taken the whole country. 0.91

00:35:21.000 They're stealing us blind.

00:35:23.000 There's nothing inept about raiding your pension funds.

00:35:27.000 There's nothing inept about ruling that private interests can lobby and take your property.

00:35:32.000 There's nothing inept about any of it.

00:35:34.000 There's nothing inept about the NSA having offices in every major phone company listening to everything.

00:35:40.000 This is systematic.

00:35:41.000 These people are in command.

00:35:42.000 They're in control because they're powerful.

00:35:45.000 Because they're smart.

00:35:46.000 Because they know what they're doing.

00:35:47.000 Because they're ruthless.

00:35:49.000 Now, we're going to open the phones up at 1-800-259-9231.

00:35:52.000 I got other news here.

00:35:55.000 New Orleans chief backs down on gun grab from Newsmax.

00:35:59.000 This is some good news.

00:36:01.000 There is some good news.

00:36:02.000 But again, we've got to be positive here.

00:36:04.000 It's positive that we're on the air.

00:36:06.000 It's positive that we're admitting the country is basically on fire.

00:36:10.000 The house is on fire.

00:36:12.000 Councilman compares Cleveland teens to terrorists.

00:36:14.000 I have some audio clips I want to play coming up of my bullhorning there in Chicago.

00:36:19.000 I have a clip of that Ohio City Councilman saying everybody's a terrorist.

00:36:27.000 Courts and Congress push back against Bush.

00:36:30.000 This is propaganda out of USA Today.

00:36:32.000 They aren't really pushing back.

00:36:35.000 Six thousand murdered in Baghdad alone this year so far.

00:36:38.000 U.S.

00:36:38.000 death squads The Unmentionable Factor.

00:36:41.000 That's just some of the news we'll be going over.

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00:37:29.000 Hi there, Alex.

00:37:30.000 Thank you so very much for having me.

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00:42:01.000 Debbie, thank you so much for talking with us today.

00:42:03.000 Oh, thank you very much, Alex.

00:42:05.000 Take care and have a great week.

00:42:07.000 Feels like the weekend to me.

00:42:08.000 I almost said have a great weekend because I'm about to leave to go to Bilderberg today.

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00:42:50.000 All right.

00:42:53.000 I know we've got a bunch of phone calls here.

00:42:55.000 Let's take a few calls, then I'll get back into some of the news.

00:43:00.000 Let's go ahead and speak with Osa in Texas.

00:43:04.000 Osa, go ahead.

00:43:05.000 Hey, how's it going Alex?

00:43:07.000 Fine.

00:43:08.000 Oh yeah, I just wanted to talk about how I'm extremely disappointed in the fact that now... You don't have a radio up, do you?

00:43:14.000 No, no, no, I don't.

00:43:15.000 Do I sound like I have a radio?

00:43:19.000 Yeah, it sounds like somebody's singing, but go ahead, I'm sorry.

00:43:22.000 Okay, no, that's okay.

00:43:23.000 Anyway, I just wanted to clear my frustration a little bit and just tell you guys how I'm frustrated about the fact that now, since more and more generals and public officials are coming out public with the corruption of the Bush administration, now the Bush administration is continually hiring criminals to run their activities, like Henry Paulson Jr.

00:43:45.000 from Goldman Sachs, which is connected with Wall Street, just got tapped for the, uh, what was it?

00:43:52.000 I believe it was the Secretary of the Treasury.

00:44:00.000 There were several mainstream news articles and major papers just in the last couple weeks that pointed out that President Bush is hiring criminals.

00:44:09.000 He hired convicted felon Admiral Poindexter.

00:44:12.000 He runs Total Information Awareness Network.

00:44:14.000 Whenever Hayden gets in trouble for lying to Congress and illegal spying, he promotes him to CIA Director.

00:44:21.000 Bush has hired to run some of their different programs convicted felons.

00:44:26.000 A whole bunch of them.

00:44:27.000 No, no, no.

00:44:29.000 You're not wrong about this.

00:44:30.000 You're absolutely right, sir.

00:44:32.000 He is hiring people who are known to break the law and who have been convicted.

00:44:37.000 Yeah, so now when most of these guys are hired, none of them are going to come out, of course, because they're going to be caught with their program, and then, I mean, it's just going to destroy America.

00:44:47.000 Well, when you got the Supreme Court ruling that, in one case, a prosecutor can't report frame-ups or can't report corruption, and then they get demoted and then fired over it, and the government says, yeah, you're not allowed to report corruption.

00:45:02.000 Thanks for the call.

00:45:03.000 I mean, that should chill everyone.

00:45:05.000 I mean, that is chilling.

00:45:07.000 And every month there's some new incredible ruling out of the Supreme Court.

00:45:13.000 By the way, I always say that 7 of the 9 are Republican-appointed.

00:45:22.000 This is supposedly this ultra-socialist, big-government-promoting, big-brother court, but 7 of the 9.

00:45:28.000 It's now 8 of the 9 were appointed by Republicans.

00:45:33.000 8 of the 9 appointed by Republicans.

00:45:40.000 And you look at what they're doing.

00:45:42.000 You look at what they're doing.

00:45:45.000 Let's talk to Jason in Maryland.

00:45:46.000 Jason, you're on the air.

00:45:48.000 Go ahead.

00:45:49.000 Hi, Alex.

00:45:50.000 I couldn't sleep last night.

00:45:52.000 I was up studying and I was watching TV this morning, the Discovery Channel, I think, or Learning Channel, I can't remember.

00:45:59.000 But I was dumbfounded when they showed the Project Paperclip.

00:46:05.000 They had a whole show about Project Paperclip, and I couldn't believe it.

00:46:10.000 I was wondering... Yeah, there was a big article in Haratz, one in Associated Press yesterday, two separate ones, admitting our government protected Nazis and put them in at the highest levels of our government.

00:46:20.000 Of course, that's 60-year-old news, but the mainstream media is patting themselves on the back now.

00:46:27.000 Well, it's not 60-year-old news when we consider that George Bush Sr.

00:46:32.000 was the head of the CIA while A great many of those people were involved in Project Paperclip, were in the CIA, and his son is running our country today.

00:46:44.000 I think that that's, you know, today's news.

00:46:47.000 So I was just dumbfounded that they would put that on the television.

00:46:53.000 Nobody's going to care.

00:46:54.000 Exactly.

00:46:55.000 The President's announcing himself a dictator because he says he's of the Lord.

00:46:59.000 It must be good.

00:47:00.000 Thanks for the call.

00:47:01.000 I appreciate that call.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, that's in the stack of news yesterday.

00:47:04.000 I didn't even get to it because No, no, I'm not saying it's old news and that it's not important.

00:47:10.000 Here's an example.

00:47:11.000 I saw the cover of the New York Times yesterday and it said, Oh, the dust may have caused illnesses.

00:47:17.000 They didn't give them breathing masks.

00:47:20.000 Oh, a whole bunch of people died.

00:47:23.000 Statistically, you're hundreds and hundreds of times have a better chance of dying if you worked in the World Trade Center rescue efforts.

00:47:32.000 Awww.

00:47:33.000 But it doesn't mention that they found asbestos in their lungs.

00:47:36.000 New Scientist magazine did the study.

00:47:39.000 New York Daily News.

00:47:40.000 That's four-year-old news.

00:47:42.000 Here it is in the New York Times.

00:47:45.000 But they don't mention the really bad elements of the story.

00:47:48.000 Or that George Bush blocked 97 million dollars in emergency medical care in the first year after 9-11.

00:47:56.000 The head of the EPA did the testing.

00:47:57.000 They said, yes, the people are dead and dying.

00:48:00.000 Most of the dogs have now died.

00:48:03.000 We're there, you know, sniffing out things.

00:48:07.000 They've died of all these weird nasal cancers.

00:48:10.000 And the police and firemen aren't being given medical care.

00:48:13.000 They're not being taken care of.

00:48:14.000 So good!

00:48:15.000 Enjoy your government!

00:48:16.000 Go serve them! 0.90

00:48:17.000 They're the deciders.

00:48:18.000 They're the bosses.

00:48:19.000 They're the authorities.

00:48:21.000 They're the officials.

00:48:23.000 Oh, they'll take good care of you.

00:48:26.000 There was a big London Telegraph article, what, two days ago.

00:48:30.000 With all these major universities and scientific firms that have done the long-term studies and, oh, breaking news!

00:48:42.000 Almost all the children that have autism have a type of genetically engineered virus embedded in their intestinal wall.

00:48:52.000 And when you have that virus, you then have autism directly linked to the MMR shots, the measles, mumps, rubella.

00:49:01.000 And then folks say, well what's causing that?

00:49:03.000 I've had different epidemiologists, different engineers on, genetic engineers.

00:49:08.000 It's several things.

00:49:09.000 The high dosages, 200 times by your third round of shots, safe level of mercury directly in the bloodstream causes massive brain damage.

00:49:20.000 Predominantly in the cerebral cortex.

00:49:22.000 And literally there are hundreds of major medical reports.

00:49:24.000 I mean, academic, scholarly, reviewed papers.

00:49:29.000 But also they found this virus isn't just embedding in the intestinal wall.

00:49:35.000 It's embedding in the brain.

00:49:39.000 And, of course, they have the article a couple of years ago out of the London Telegraph again about how the British government is trying to force the adoption of forced inoculation at age two of a vaccine that contains a virus that attacks the respotoreceptors, they have the article a couple of years ago out of the London Telegraph again about how the British government is trying to force the adoption of forced

00:50:08.000 The opiates, the cocaines, the nicotines.

00:50:11.000 And it said you will not use cocaine, you will not use heroin, you will not use cigarettes.

00:50:15.000 And then I had several top scientists on about that, and we read several scholarly review papers that said, yeah, but they'll have trouble being happy because your own endorphins won't plug in, but we can give kids drugs that will make them feel good on top of that.

00:50:27.000 So...

00:50:28.000 Folks, I'm not making this up.

00:50:29.000 A virus, and they're already hearing it.

00:50:32.000 Most people already have this.

00:50:34.000 That's why the general public doesn't have that spark, isn't intelligent.

00:50:37.000 Boy, you can't reach out to so many people. 0.54

00:50:39.000 They're incapable.

00:50:41.000 When you get an over-cooking or an over-viral bloom, you get the poor autistic children. 1.00

00:50:48.000 They have a hay-day almost.

00:50:49.000 So it's a mercury brain-attacking virus. 0.59

00:50:53.000 Be sure to go out and vaccinate your children. 0.99

00:50:56.000 Let Satan literally eat their brains! 0.63

00:51:01.000 Hello friends, Alex Jones here and I'm excited to announce we're going to have a huge 9-11 conference in downtown Los Angeles on the 24th and 25th of June. 0.95

00:51:09.000 We're expecting around 1,000 people in attendance.

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00:51:22.000 The conference is titled 9-11 and the Neo-Con Agenda.

00:51:25.000 I'm happy to announce the conference will feature presentations by incredible speakers like BYU physics professor Stephen Jones, the father of the Star Wars program, Lt.

00:51:34.000 Col.

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00:51:47.000 I'll also be debuting my explosive new film, Terror Storm, at the conference.

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00:54:26.000 Thank you.

00:54:27.000 Listener, you need to understand I'm not making it up.

00:54:30.000 The British government for two years has been attempting to bring in new national standards that attempt to force the population to give every child in the United Kingdom an injection that actually uses a live virus to attack the brain.

00:54:51.000 And the viruses we're finding that are in the vaccines are very similar to these viruses.

00:54:59.000 Now that's right out of Brave New World where they X-ray the eggs and the sperm before they implant the breeding females to have a suboid mass. 1.00

00:55:14.000 And I know it's hard to believe the government carried out 9-11.

00:55:16.000 I know it's hard to believe they're going to turn almost every major road into a toll road.

00:55:19.000 I know it's hard to believe that they actually are putting things in the vaccines to brain damage our children on purpose.

00:55:26.000 You see, they've just overdone it.

00:55:27.000 They don't mean for the 1 in 168 to have autism up from 1 in 124,000 25 years ago.

00:55:31.000 Now I guess 26 years ago.

00:55:31.000 up from 1 in 124,000 25 years ago.

00:55:36.000 Now, I guess 26 years ago.

00:55:38.000 With it trending to be 1 in 50, they're now talking about, with the new numbers starting to come out.

00:55:44.000 No, no, no.

00:55:45.000 It's just that some children, especially if they're underweight, or already had a lot of mercury in them from what they were eating, or their mother already had a lot of mercury in them.

00:55:52.000 But on top of it, there's all these viruses.

00:55:55.000 And this is conclusive.

00:55:59.000 And it's conclusive that the virus, this is mainstream news, is doing something to the brain. 0.99

00:56:04.000 So, I guess I'm the radical, because I'm here on air right now, telling you that if you vaccinate your children, you're totally insane.

00:56:14.000 You know what they grow these vaccines on?

00:56:17.000 You know what they produce them from?

00:56:20.000 Dead babies, embryonic tissue.

00:56:23.000 When you see on a vaccine that it says no animal genetics, not grown in animals, that means it wasn't grown in monkey kidneys, it means it wasn't grown in eggs, it wasn't grown in poultry, it wasn't grown in pork.

00:56:35.000 That's where they grow this stuff.

00:56:37.000 Up in these big tanks.

00:56:38.000 It was grown in dead babies.

00:56:38.000 No, no, no.

00:56:41.000 So even better, even more dangerous, because every virus that that mother had, every virus that could have gotten contaminated into those fetal tissues, it's just asking for it.

00:56:54.000 I mean, I hope all this is accidentally happening, but the government, we know, isn't accidentally doing it.

00:56:59.000 We've seen documents where they planned all of this by design.

00:57:06.000 By design, my friends, we're going to end this hour and come back with Professor Stephen Jones.

00:57:11.000 I know we have Joe and Mike and Eric and Charles and everybody.

00:57:14.000 We will get to you in the next hour.

00:57:18.000 Before I end this hour, time is running out.

00:57:21.000 It's already the 7th.

00:57:23.000 So how many days is that?

00:57:23.000 16 days?

00:57:25.000 Or so, until the conference starts on the 24th and 25th in downtown Los Angeles at the Sheraton.

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00:57:35.000 Get your tickets now.

00:57:36.000 It's going to be great.

00:57:38.000 We're probably going to have over a thousand people there.

00:57:42.000 It's trending to be a sellout.

00:57:44.000 And Professor Stephen Jones will be there.

00:57:47.000 The former head of the Star Wars program, Dr. Bob Bowman, will be there.

00:57:49.000 Ray McGovern, Chief CI Analyst, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush Sr.

00:57:55.000 We're going to have a 9-11 survivor and hero, William Rodriguez.

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00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:04.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:06.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:17.000 We're now into the second hour of this live Wednesday edition The 7th day of June 2006.

00:59:30.000 Thank God nothing happened on 666 like so many thought it would.

00:59:34.000 I know crazies went out there and went nuts and the globalists didn't pull anything off because of their obsession with numerology.

00:59:41.000 I am extremely honored to be joined for this full hour by Professor Stephen Jones, he has a doctorate in physics.

00:59:49.000 He has published scores and scores of peer-reviewed papers that have been in some of the most prestigious scientific magazines and periodicals out there.

01:00:01.000 And he has now gotten samples from pieces of the World Trade Center steel.

01:00:10.000 That had been sequestered in this country.

01:00:12.000 They are certified.

01:00:13.000 They have taken the samples.

01:00:15.000 They've done scientific tests on them.

01:00:17.000 He has done this with other scientists at his university, reviewing what he's done and overseeing the scientific test.

01:00:24.000 And it is what I would call conclusive.

01:00:27.000 And I want to walk through this with you today that thermite, but not just thermite, the specific type of thermite, patented for specific use In cutting steel columns, and we look at the steel columns, you don't cut with thermite straight across, you cut at an angle so that the pillar doesn't settle on the area that wasn't melted through, so the pillars slide off.

01:00:49.000 Now we see this, and we see so many facets that, again, every time you keep researching, it just proves the next finding, and when that happens four or five times in a row, it gets scary.

01:01:02.000 So, joining us is Professor Stephen Jones.

01:01:05.000 We're honored to have you, sir.

01:01:07.000 Thanks, Alex.

01:01:08.000 Good to talk to you.

01:01:09.000 It's good to see you last weekend.

01:01:11.000 You gave a great presentation.

01:01:12.000 I was honored to introduce you.

01:01:14.000 Well, thank you very much, Alex.

01:01:16.000 You bet.

01:01:16.000 Your talk was absolutely fantastic.

01:01:19.000 In fact, I was worried, how am I going to follow this guy?

01:01:24.000 I hadn't heard you speak before.

01:01:26.000 You know, my talk is quite a different nature.

01:01:28.000 I mean, in terms of, well, How can I compare myself to Alex Jones?

01:01:35.000 Well, I think you blew me away with the new information that you broke at that conference.

01:01:40.000 We did have some new information, that's true.

01:01:44.000 Well, this is a short segment.

01:01:45.000 We're going to break in a moment and come back in a long segment.

01:01:47.000 I'd like to just walk through how you woke up to 9-11, the research you've done, and the evidence of the thermite.

01:01:54.000 But first off, will you, just for the listeners that don't know who you are, give us your background, some of the publications you've written for, some of the research you've done?

01:02:02.000 Sure.

01:02:05.000 Well, let's go back to graduate school.

01:02:08.000 I was a graduate student in physics.

01:02:11.000 Got my PhD from Vanderbilt.

01:02:14.000 Did most of my research, though, at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and finished up my coursework at Stanford since I was out there doing the research.

01:02:25.000 And then I did postdoctoral work at Cornell and Let's see, Los Alamos National Lab.

01:02:34.000 Oh, you know, I've been around the block a few times.

01:02:36.000 I have a publication in Scientific American with a dear friend of mine, Johann Rafelski.

01:02:43.000 That was back in 1987, July.

01:02:45.000 You want to look that up?

01:02:47.000 The title of our article is Cold Nuclear Fusion.

01:02:52.000 Yes, that's correct.

01:02:54.000 We're talking there about Muon-catalyzed fusion.

01:02:59.000 Just a lot of fun for a number of years.

01:03:01.000 I was the principal investigator for the Department of Energy on this study of muon-catalyzed fusion.

01:03:10.000 Amazing!

01:03:10.000 So you've headed up investigations for the government before?

01:03:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:13.000 And now you're... You know, the Department of Energy funded our research, that's right.

01:03:19.000 And now I think it's safe to say that you are heading up research for the 9-11 Truth Movement on the bizarre collapse of Tower 1, 2, and 7.

01:03:29.000 That's a fair statement.

01:03:32.000 Working with others, of course, but yeah.

01:03:35.000 Professor, we're going to be right back after this quick three-minute break.

01:03:37.000 Get yourself a glass of water.

01:03:38.000 We'll plunge right into the earth-shattering, earth-quaking research he's done that continues to be verified at every step.

01:03:48.000 It is the hair on the back of my neck standing up.

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01:06:52.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk.

01:06:55.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:06:58.000 Professor Stephen Jones holds several degrees from prestigious universities.

01:07:07.000 He is a doctor of physics.

01:07:09.000 He's led investigations for the U.S.

01:07:12.000 government for different bodies into different scientific developments and phenomenon.

01:07:20.000 And he is uniquely placed and trained to investigate the controlled demolitions of Tower 1, 2, and of course, Building 7.

01:07:30.000 And I interviewed him over the weekend in Chicago.

01:07:32.000 He gave one of the keynote addresses.

01:07:34.000 I interviewed him in my hotel room for an upcoming film.

01:07:38.000 And he came right out with it that 9-11 is an inside job.

01:07:41.000 There's no other way to look at it.

01:07:43.000 There's no other way to see it.

01:07:45.000 Because as you study it scientifically, By the rules of science, you would expect that somewhere you would start disproving the hypothesis, but it only strengthens it and opens out into whole other areas.

01:08:00.000 And the official story is completely unscientific and a fraud and a lie.

01:08:05.000 Professor Jones, let's just start off with the scientific method and some of the things we discussed in that interview because, you know, you said as you investigated this you expected to To not just always find the smoking gun, but you've been able to do that conclusively.

01:08:21.000 So for those that don't understand the scientific method, can you kind of restate that for people, and then get into why you first questioned it, and then what you saw develop, and now your thermite hypothesis being conclusively documented?

01:08:35.000 Sure.

01:08:36.000 Well, in a nutshell, using the scientific method, we We try to assemble all the facts that we can get our hands on, all the observations, photos, materials for analyses, everything we can find that would relate to the subject that we can possibly acquire.

01:08:56.000 And then we try to find an explanation coming out of the facts and based on and consistent with all the facts, not just some small subset of the facts.

01:09:11.000 That's the crucial difference between the scientific method, where we assemble facts and then develop an explanation.

01:09:19.000 And frankly, what we saw, as I look back to 9-11, I mean, as those buildings came down, people were already speculating and then very quickly stating, this is Al-Qaeda solely responsible, you know.

01:09:35.000 And what facts can we find to support that?

01:09:41.000 Forgone conclusion.

01:09:43.000 That's not science at all.

01:09:44.000 So there's a big distinction there, incorporating all the facts as opposed to starting out with a conclusion and then just finding what facts you have to support your conclusion, which is called pathological science, by the way.

01:10:05.000 Yes, pathological science.

01:10:06.000 You did the opposite.

01:10:08.000 Go into, once you started questioning, why did you first question the collapse?

01:10:14.000 And then once you began to do research, what did you notice?

01:10:16.000 And then let's go right into the thermite.

01:10:18.000 Okay.

01:10:19.000 Well, you know, I had several nudges along the way from friends, not scientists in this case, but friends who said, you know, you really ought to look into the 9-11 events and see what you think.

01:10:35.000 A friend of mine, Steve, is his name too, but he kept kicking me in the pants.

01:10:44.000 I will say he finally showed me a certain DVD, but I found it unconvincing.

01:10:51.000 I mean, that's too bad because it kind of turned me off to the study because it had so many speculations without evidence.

01:10:59.000 That's what we're talking about.

01:11:01.000 Scientists like to start with the facts and then go from there.

01:11:04.000 And this one was just filled with what I would call speculations without much supporting evidence.

01:11:11.000 But I just kept receiving these nudges.

01:11:16.000 Finally, I got on the web.

01:11:21.000 Fortunately, I got to, I'll mention, WTC7.net because that's where I Finally, you know, sat down and started looking hard.

01:11:32.000 And the nice thing about Hoffman's site here and his co-workers is that they show evidence and then they provide references.

01:11:41.000 So now I'm going and checking these references to make sure these guys are telling the story straight and looking at the evidence myself.

01:11:50.000 And when I saw Building 7 collapse, this is the first time I saw it, you know, that was The first part of 2005.

01:11:57.000 I mean, that's how long it took me to finally get into the serious research here.

01:12:05.000 When I saw the collapse of Building 7, man, I said to myself, that is strange.

01:12:10.000 I'd never seen it before.

01:12:11.000 You know, between 2001 collapse that afternoon, late afternoon, it was never hit by a jet, but here it comes straight down.

01:12:19.000 I don't see any raging inferno in this building, but I do see it fall straight down.

01:12:24.000 And pretty quick with students, we measured the rate of fall.

01:12:28.000 I teach Newtonian mechanics and was teaching it at that time.

01:12:35.000 And so, anyway, we looked at the free fall compared to the fall of Building 7, and they're almost the same, 6.5 seconds.

01:12:46.000 The time for the collapse of Building 7 compared with 6.0 seconds for an apple falling in a vacuum.

01:12:55.000 Now we're talking about the corner of the Building 7.

01:12:57.000 We just, when that starts to move, we start our clock.

01:13:00.000 We did a fairly detailed analysis of it.

01:13:04.000 But that's really how I got into it.

01:13:06.000 And, you know, it took several nudges, and I assume that's true of other people, too.

01:13:13.000 As we give them these badges.

01:13:14.000 We're doing that right now on the radio.

01:13:17.000 Well, you don't want to believe it, but we have to because we've got an out of control dangerous group.

01:13:23.000 We're running our nation right now, and if we don't expose this, we're all in great peril.

01:13:27.000 So you did a lot of research, you documented a lot of different facets.

01:13:30.000 We have the underwriter, we have one of the chief engineers, Kevin Ryan, going public.

01:13:35.000 They did internal models, they underwrote the building, he said it was impossible.

01:13:39.000 Firefighter engineering, he said they covered up the crime scene.

01:13:42.000 They're on record, so there's a lot of other prominent people as well.

01:13:45.000 But you discovered something in the government report, then you found videos and photos of it, of this white hot metal gushing out of the sides of the building, and you said, and of course that goes back to the satellite and aircraft photos of multi-thousand degree fires, weeks and weeks later, burning, when jet fuel only burns at 1200 degrees, this is impossible, so go through that for us and let's get into the thermite.

01:14:12.000 Yeah, so the The metal pouring out of the South Tower from about the 80th floor, and this is just minutes before it's collapsed.

01:14:22.000 Enormous quantities of yellow-hot metal pouring out of the building.

01:14:26.000 That was quite shocking to me to see those data.

01:14:30.000 And that came out of this Scholars for 9-11 Truth group, you know, as we're trying to pull together whatever data we can.

01:14:38.000 We would like to get all the videos from NIST.

01:14:43.000 They brag about having 300 hours of videos and thousands of photographs.

01:14:48.000 Well, we would appreciate it if they would release those data.

01:14:52.000 If there's nothing to hide, they shouldn't hide it.

01:14:56.000 But anyway, we did come across this and as I looked at that, I said, that is extremely interesting.

01:15:03.000 I mean, I'd heard about it, but it took a while for the group to Trace down this video evidence.

01:15:10.000 This is an amateur videographer, a couple of them actually, showing and capturing this event, this very anomalous activity, this molten metal flowing out of the dome.

01:15:23.000 As soon as I saw it, I knew it was not aluminum because I had worked with molten aluminum before.

01:15:31.000 And molten liquid aluminum has the property that it's silvery, but rather like aluminum foil, You know, at all temperatures, in daylight conditions.

01:15:45.000 And so, here's this yellow hot metal.

01:15:48.000 I knew that couldn't be alumina.

01:15:49.000 Look, we did some checking, the Scholars Group, in the NIST report.

01:15:55.000 It is in Appendix H. There's some discussion of this, and they say, just simply, it's probably alumina, you know.

01:16:04.000 Well, I knew that wasn't right.

01:16:06.000 Well, I would just also add, of course, aluminum melts at a lower temperature.

01:16:09.000 That's another point.

01:16:12.000 But still not at the 1200 degrees.

01:16:14.000 And when you look at the buildings, the fires are very low, almost burn out.

01:16:20.000 Right before collapse, suddenly, this yellow-orangish lava, basically, starts pouring out of the sides.

01:16:28.000 But you went further.

01:16:29.000 You were able to actually get a hold of some of that.

01:16:33.000 Also, aluminum Wouldn't stay at 2,500 degrees for several months.

01:16:38.000 We have giant pools of molten metal down in the basement.

01:16:44.000 Right.

01:16:45.000 That's what first got you looking at this, right?

01:16:47.000 That's true.

01:16:48.000 It's the pools of molten metal and photographed by Frank Faleccia out in New York.

01:16:55.000 Just a fantastic photo that he had in his possession that shows this claw Pulling this yellow hot metal out of the rubble pile.

01:17:09.000 I mean to have it that hot.

01:17:13.000 Days after the event.

01:17:16.000 Weeks, actually, in this case.

01:17:17.000 Weeks and weeks after, you've got the big shovel in there, and it just picks up a huge mass of white hot, ladies and gentlemen. 0.98

01:17:25.000 Folks, for those that don't know, it is hard, even with a conventional furnace, to get steel white hot.

01:17:33.000 And this stuff is white hot.

01:17:36.000 Yeah.

01:17:37.000 At this stage, I would say it looks yellow.

01:17:40.000 But earlier on, you know, thermite produces molten iron at white hot, so it's... Well, look at the photo around the edges, Doctor.

01:17:51.000 It's yellow, but I do see some white in that photo.

01:17:54.000 Okay.

01:17:56.000 I'm looking at it, and I grant there's a little white there on the bottom. 0.80

01:17:59.000 You know, this is the thing.

01:18:00.000 There's so much evidence that... I mean, I've worked in other fields where the evidence is Hard to come by.

01:18:09.000 It's a little hard to come by here for some reason.

01:18:12.000 But at the same time, when we do get the evidence, it just starts spitting together, pointing to the use of thermite.

01:18:22.000 Thermite is what is capable of producing these white hot temperatures.

01:18:28.000 When we get back from this break, you have done the groundbreaking test.

01:18:32.000 They were able to get samples.

01:18:34.000 I don't know if we can tell the public this.

01:18:36.000 I guarantee you the feds are listening to Jones to begin with.

01:18:38.000 They know where they got it.

01:18:39.000 But we'll see if he wants to talk about it.

01:18:42.000 And they've done the test.

01:18:43.000 They've had other scientists oversee the test.

01:18:45.000 It is so conclusive it's going to blow you away.

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01:22:54.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

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01:23:05.000 Professor Stephen E. Jones, Doctor of Physics, joins us.

01:23:05.000 Welcome back.

01:23:08.000 If you go to Infowars.com, right underneath his picture in today's guest section, you can link through to the detailed paper he has written.

01:23:18.000 It's filled with video clips and Photos and documents there for you to peruse his research.

01:23:25.000 Professor Jones, please continue.

01:23:27.000 Let's run through the samples.

01:23:29.000 And by the way, I'm here in my studio right now, in the other room, editing the video interview we did with you, cutting out the questions.

01:23:36.000 And we've gotten to the point, during this very segment, and my editor said, do we leave this in or out, where they got the samples?

01:23:42.000 So let me just ask you now, because I never had a chance to Sunday, at the conference, do you want that left in or out?

01:23:48.000 Um, did I specify at which particular memorial park this was?

01:23:55.000 No, you didn't.

01:23:56.000 No, you didn't.

01:23:57.000 Let's leave it in.

01:23:58.000 Okay, guys, you heard it.

01:23:59.000 Because I don't want to put anybody, you know, in jeopardy.

01:24:04.000 Because, look, there's hundreds of these memorial parks.

01:24:08.000 This is an interesting story, I think, Alex, and I'm glad you brought that up.

01:24:12.000 When my paper came out last fall, October-November there, I made comments that, you know, we're asking for people's help in gathering data.

01:24:22.000 We're not getting much help out of NIST, frankly, and others.

01:24:28.000 So, we are asking people to help gather data, and pretty quick, here's the story, without revealing the precise location.

01:24:40.000 It turns out that there are a number of places In this country, and I've learned other countries as well, where there are samples of the World Trade Center steel erected in a type of memorial, like a Peace Park or a Memorial Park for 9-11.

01:25:00.000 Now, so what's interesting is that then that means there's steel that can be looked at and observed.

01:25:09.000 In this one case, the steel was sent to a And the welder who's putting it together, so he's making a monument out of this, you know, trying to make it stand up with these pieces of steel.

01:25:26.000 And it was a volunteer, first of all, that went to Ground Zero, helped out there, and then was able to arrange for these steel members to be erected in his city as a memorial.

01:25:39.000 And I thought that was great of him to do that, that the welder's wife looked at the steel.

01:25:45.000 And she noticed that clinging to the steel was a bunch of dirt.

01:25:50.000 And I don't know if she noticed the molten metal, but she noticed this dirt and stuff clinging to the steel.

01:25:57.000 Now it's going to be put outside and she just had this thought.

01:26:00.000 I'm going to take this material off the steel because it's going to be in the weather and it could easily be washed away and so on.

01:26:09.000 She gathered it up and put it in a plastic container.

01:26:14.000 When my paper came out, she sent me not all, but some of this material.

01:26:19.000 It's quite a large quantity.

01:26:21.000 In this material, there are samples of molten metal.

01:26:26.000 Now that's one, and then I have another avenue too, but I don't know quite.

01:26:33.000 This was a fellow working for 9-11 Truth that talked to people in New York and was able to get another sample.

01:26:41.000 Now to be specific, the Feds took some of it away to warehouses, and the lion's share was sent to China and South Korea under guard.

01:26:49.000 No one was allowed to take photos or get near it.

01:26:51.000 Very suspicious.

01:26:52.000 But then, for propaganda uses, about a year later, they allowed Some of the steel to be released, to be erected, never thinking that we would go test it.

01:27:01.000 And so you see the video of this molten steel pouring out the exact signature you've seen before.

01:27:07.000 And so you think, well I need to get some to test it.

01:27:10.000 And you said it looked like thermite.

01:27:11.000 Thermite could create the heat we'd see to keep it hot for four or five weeks down on the ground after it collapsed.

01:27:17.000 And sure enough, when you did the test, it wasn't just thermite.

01:27:21.000 It was the exact Yeah, so I was rather surprised when we did the analysis.

01:27:25.000 of the ignition that you would see with the specific type used for cutting why don't you tell us about it yeah so I was rather surprised when we did the analysis now as I emphasized to you when we talked that was that Monday Alex or Sunday but anyway I this is still the quantitative result is preliminary I mean

01:27:50.000 We've determined that this is primarily iron, which is what you expect from the thermite reaction.

01:27:57.000 It produces molten iron.

01:28:00.000 What really surprised me, and I should have thought of this, was the amount of sulfur.

01:28:07.000 There's a clear signature for sulfur in the sample that we've been analyzing.

01:28:16.000 Stay there! 0.92

01:28:16.000 We'll have plenty of time to get into this when we get back. 0.92

01:28:20.000 call it by that technical name thermate and that is used specifically to cut through steel I mean when you put sulfur in thermite whammo that like a hot knife through better stay there let's you bet we'll have plenty of time to get into this when we get back this is so important ladies and gentlemen we're on the march the Empire's on the run Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

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01:31:56.000 Professor Stephen A. Jones is our guest, Doctor of Physics.

01:32:10.000 And clearly the buildings are brought down by controlled demolition.

01:32:13.000 The firefighters, the police, the evidence, the underwriting laboratories.

01:32:18.000 All of the evidence shows that.

01:32:20.000 We know the official story is impossible, so we set about scientifically to come up with a hypothesis and then to test that.

01:32:27.000 And every step of the way, we see evidence that thermite was used, and specifically Professor Jones just doesn't find evidence of thermite, the byproducts of thermite, that you wouldn't find unless it was thermite.

01:32:40.000 They find the byproducts of thermate, which is the specific thermite mix with other compounds that accelerate it and cause it to burn even hotter, mainly sulfur.

01:32:53.000 Break that down for us, sir.

01:32:56.000 Sure.

01:32:58.000 You see with sulfur added to thermite, What happens is that the heat of the thermite already heats up the steel, and then with the sulfur present, the sulfur is able to get into the steel, actually into cracks and intergranular spaces in the steel.

01:33:21.000 And it lowers the melting temperature of the steel.

01:33:24.000 Let me give you the numbers in Fahrenheit.

01:33:27.000 Structural steel melts at about 2750 Fahrenheit.

01:33:31.000 By the way, that's way above what the What the fires could heat the steel to in this WTC situation.

01:33:41.000 That's white hot.

01:33:42.000 It's beyond white hot.

01:33:44.000 And I don't know if you've ever had a, I'm pausing there, if you've ever had a Wood-burning stove, but you've never had that puppy melt on you, I dare say.

01:33:55.000 So anyway, and you know, even if you put jet fuel in there, it's not going to melt.

01:33:59.000 So anyway, let's come from melting at about 2750 Fahrenheit.

01:34:06.000 And you bring that right down to, with sulfur added, now you can get the steel to melt at a lower temperature, around 1600 Fahrenheit.

01:34:18.000 So it's like putting salt on ice.

01:34:22.000 Now the ice will melt.

01:34:24.000 I mean, say it's 20 degrees outside, and you have this frozen ice on your sidewalk.

01:34:31.000 Well, if you sprinkle salt on that, it'll melt it.

01:34:34.000 And the same thing happens with steel.

01:34:38.000 When you add sulfur to it, it brings that melting temperature right down.

01:34:43.000 And therefore, it allows you to, with the hot molten iron from thermite, it just slices through the steel very rapidly in seconds.

01:34:53.000 It's well known.

01:34:54.000 I mean, I'm not revealing any secrets here.

01:34:57.000 I just did a Google search during the break.

01:35:01.000 Thermate, which is sulfur, primarily is the main ingredient.

01:35:05.000 Sulfur and potassium permanganate added to thermite, 893 hits.

01:35:08.000 Thermite I got 376,000 hits, of which Prison Planet was right up there on the top.

01:35:22.000 So yeah, I mean, this is not a state secret.

01:35:24.000 In fact, you can buy this stuff, Thermite, you can buy on eBay.

01:35:27.000 I mean, I had recently a fellow say, oh, don't talk about this.

01:35:34.000 A mechanical engineer has given me some guff, but he's saying, oh, don't you dare talk about thermites, you know, you're telling the terrorists how to... I'm saying, you know, excuse me...

01:35:45.000 Thermite is extremely well known.

01:35:47.000 I'm not trying to reveal any secrets here, but we're trying to find out what really happened and who the terrorists are, for heaven's sake. 1.00

01:35:55.000 Well, I would just ignore that idiot. 0.96

01:35:57.000 Now, Professor, specifically, I want to go over what you found in the molten globulates that were adhering to the side of these beams. 0.99

01:36:09.000 Specifically, what were the byproducts and what is that?

01:36:12.000 Because again, it wasn't just the byproduct.

01:36:14.000 In your paper, you report the new adenomyabatid was new evidence.

01:36:18.000 It wasn't just thermite.

01:36:20.000 You had to then go, what is this?

01:36:21.000 And you discovered it was specifically what you'd find with thermate.

01:36:25.000 Right.

01:36:26.000 Yeah, and sulfur in abundance.

01:36:29.000 And again, I emphasize, we'll have this quantitative analysis soon, but this takes time to be ...quantitative on these analyses.

01:36:39.000 In fact, without giving out names, I'm proud of what you told us more for our report, but without giving out too many names until later, you work with several other physicists, professors, and you specifically, one of your areas of study is going back and reconstructing things in an archaeological way, so you are the specific discipline of the whole field of physicists to look at this.

01:36:39.000 Peer-reviewed.

01:37:05.000 Right.

01:37:06.000 This field is called archaeometry, which I've taught courses in archaeometry at the graduate level.

01:37:12.000 And that's, in essence, physics methods, advanced scientific methods applied to the study of archaeology.

01:37:21.000 And so basically, that's what we're doing here.

01:37:23.000 We're trying to figure out what happened, just like archaeologists do, at a very interesting site.

01:37:29.000 In this case, we're studying something that happened just Well, that's what crime labs a lot of times in big murder cases hire is archaeologists or physicists in your persuasion because the crime labs aren't advanced enough in this study to be able to specifically get answers, but you guys are.

01:37:48.000 Listen, I need to interject one thing, Kurt, to me.

01:37:48.000 Right.

01:37:53.000 In archaeology in general, In archaeometry in particular, we are very careful about what's called the provenience of materials that we analyze.

01:38:05.000 In this case, a lot of the evidence has been destroyed, as you mentioned.

01:38:10.000 It's shipped off, literally melted in Asia for recycling.

01:38:17.000 But I mentioned the importance of these peace parks and memorial parks around the world that have steel samples now.

01:38:25.000 I don't I want to clear that I don't want people to run out and start scraping because we have to exercise some care.

01:38:35.000 If people find a piece part, I'm very interested in more samples.

01:38:41.000 But first, please take photos.

01:38:44.000 In fact, do that just as soon as you can.

01:38:47.000 Document it like a crime scene.

01:38:49.000 Take photos, get permission, evidence it out, document in front of witnesses that you removed it properly, didn't contaminate it with others.

01:38:58.000 I wouldn't even remove it at this stage.

01:39:00.000 In other words, just photograph it as quick as you can so that we, if somebody else, whoever that might be, comes along and scrapes off the globs of molten metal, at least you've got pictures that it was there.

01:39:13.000 But hopefully that wouldn't happen.

01:39:14.000 So anyway, start with photographs, and if you could send those to me or the Scholars for 9-11 Truth group.

01:39:23.000 But anyway, if you send those to me, we can then think about and get the permissions to get that molten metal analyzed.

01:39:31.000 Exactly!

01:39:32.000 We can analyze it decently in situ.

01:39:38.000 It's a non-destructive analysis using a portable x-ray fluorescence device.

01:39:43.000 We can actually, you know, travel to, I don't know, Canada, say, and Peace Park, and you've got these photos of this grey-black molten metal adhering to the steel beam.

01:39:54.000 You want to take a look at it?

01:39:56.000 We could just go and analyze it right there, and then after that, we'd already have data, you see.

01:40:02.000 But you did prove, you did prove conclusively, it's not aluminum folks, it's iron, the byproduct of melted steel, mixed with the byproducts of thermite, not just thermite, the specific type used and patented Four cutting charges, and then we have the multiple photos and videos, and of course FEMA claimed, you know, don't shoot any video, don't take any photos, but people still did, of these huge columns sticking up, and they're not cut straight across.

01:40:26.000 They're cut at angles.

01:40:28.000 Why is that important?

01:40:29.000 And we see the molten, again, gray globules on the inside and outside of the beams.

01:40:33.000 Why is that so important?

01:40:35.000 That again, scientifically, we would expect if it was done by design, it would be cut at an angle, and lo and behold, it is.

01:40:43.000 That's exactly right.

01:40:44.000 Because if you cut it straight across, you know, horizontally, then of course the upper beam would just rest still on the lower beam.

01:40:52.000 But by cutting it at about a 45 degree angle, then the support for the upper portion is gone.

01:40:59.000 You've weakened the building every time you cut a column that way.

01:41:02.000 I mean, you've, this is, In fact, the routine in demolitions is to pre-weaken the building before you set off explosives.

01:41:12.000 And you go in and down low, you cut the columns in this fashion.

01:41:17.000 But they didn't have time on this, so along with the clear chemical explosives, and those were clearly in there, folks, they went ahead and jacketed columns with a thermite.

01:41:26.000 That's sure what it appears.

01:41:28.000 I mean, you know, the evidence is just building and building.

01:41:30.000 Yeah.

01:41:32.000 And you know, let me give credit to one of the guys, Robert in the Scholars Group, he found a patent that goes back to the 1990s, which shows a cylinder.

01:41:43.000 And in this cylinder, if you can imagine, it's got a groove along one edge the long way.

01:41:51.000 And you pack the cylinder with thermate or thermite.

01:41:57.000 And then it's specifically stated to be used as a cutting device based on thermite.

01:42:06.000 So, you put your thermite in there, and then as you ignite that thermite, which can be done with a radio signal, then the molten iron shoots out through this groove in a line.

01:42:19.000 I mean, that is an enormously effective way to cut through thick materials.

01:42:25.000 The patent specifically says this is designed to cut through thick materials.

01:42:31.000 And of course, an example of that would be structural steel.

01:42:35.000 So, right before the towers collapse, it's also key that this didn't happen right when the planes crashed.

01:42:39.000 The fires have almost burned out, the people are standing in the wounds of the building, it's not even melting their flesh, but then just a few feet away from them, you will have basically white lava or yellow lava metal, molten steel, Sure.

01:42:55.000 pouring out, and then you have the exact thermite reaction.

01:42:57.000 We forgot that part, and you guys have done the laboratory test right there with other scientists overseeing.

01:43:02.000 It used to be peer-reviewed.

01:43:04.000 You see that exact same type of thermite smoke coming off of it.

01:43:08.000 Can you talk about that?

01:43:09.000 Sure.

01:43:10.000 You have to wait a minute.

01:43:12.000 I've just had some students come by and tell them to wait.

01:43:15.000 That's okay.

01:43:16.000 We appreciate you giving us your lunch.

01:43:19.000 Yeah.

01:43:20.000 So we're talking about the ash here.

01:43:23.000 And yeah.

01:43:25.000 In fact, let me back up just a moment, Alex.

01:43:28.000 We've done experiments now, I and some other professors here, with ceramide.

01:43:35.000 It's kind of fun to play with, to tell you the truth.

01:43:38.000 But it's hazardous.

01:43:39.000 And again, I have to emphasize, you know, be careful with this stuff.

01:43:42.000 Heck, you can buy it on eBay, so I'm afraid that the truth is out.

01:43:48.000 About how fun this stuff is, and it's shown in chemistry classes all over the place.

01:43:53.000 Professor Jones, stop worrying.

01:43:54.000 I think they've got like four or five shows on Discovery where the whole show is about thermite.

01:43:59.000 Okay.

01:43:59.000 Yeah, I mean... I mean, okay.

01:44:03.000 Yeah, all right.

01:44:04.000 So, when you touch this stuff off, which isn't easy, by the way, it doesn't ignite easily, but when you do ignite it, Then you get this white hot molten metal.

01:44:16.000 I mean, the reaction zone is just this brilliant white. 0.68

01:44:19.000 We use dark glasses, sunglasses to protect our eyes.

01:44:23.000 And you have this white ash floating away as dust, a very fine powder of aluminum oxide floating away.

01:44:32.000 That's one of the end products.

01:44:33.000 And then, of course, the other end product that's so dramatic is this yellow to white hot molten iron.

01:44:40.000 It flows out of the reaction zone.

01:44:43.000 What we did, we actually added sulfur to some thermite, mixed it up here myself, and my daughter was helping me, by the way.

01:44:52.000 She did it as a science fair project.

01:44:54.000 She said, Dad, I want to... I said, sure, we'll do that.

01:44:57.000 We put some sulfur in.

01:45:00.000 Put it in a steel cup.

01:45:02.000 And test that off, and I'll tell you, she was going to time how long does it take to eat through the steel. 0.99

01:45:07.000 One second.

01:45:08.000 It was a fraction of a second.

01:45:10.000 I mean, it was so fast we couldn't time it.

01:45:12.000 Have you seen the Discovery Channel videos where they put it on a huge truck engine block, a little bitty cup of it, and it eats the entire block in like two seconds?

01:45:19.000 I've seen one just like that.

01:45:21.000 In fact, I showed one in Chicago.

01:45:23.000 Remember that?

01:45:24.000 That's fun.

01:45:24.000 Yes.

01:45:24.000 People like to see how they got through.

01:45:27.000 I don't think those guys added sulfur, though.

01:45:29.000 No.

01:45:30.000 Let's see, if you add sulfur it makes it go through steel considerably faster.

01:45:35.000 It basically explodes.

01:45:37.000 Well, yeah, let me talk about explode.

01:45:40.000 We call this an incendiary because there's no explosion sound.

01:45:44.000 I mean, it's just a dramatic reaction, but it's over quickly, but there's no explosion sound.

01:45:50.000 But I would call the reaction explosive.

01:45:52.000 Okay.

01:45:53.000 It's so fast!

01:45:55.000 It's very fast, but let me say, there is a form of thermite that is actually explosive, just like TNT.

01:46:01.000 I mean, it will explode.

01:46:04.000 And that form is called super thermite.

01:46:06.000 You can Google on that.

01:46:07.000 Again, no secret.

01:46:09.000 And this is ultra-fine aluminum powder mixed with ultra-fine iron oxide powder.

01:46:16.000 I'm talking around 100 nanometers and down, a particulate size.

01:46:21.000 So when you do that, You touch that off, and it will explode.

01:46:26.000 And frankly, the aluminum powder I got out of our chemical stores here was quite fine powder.

01:46:34.000 So the first time we ran it, we stood well back because I wasn't sure whether it was actually going to explode or not.

01:46:40.000 What do the other scientists that have been overseeing your research there at the university think?

01:46:45.000 Well, you know, they're... Okay, let me say that those who have read my paper By and large, support what I'm doing, certainly support the research.

01:46:57.000 There are others who just, you know, shrug their shoulders and... I don't know... But you said... They're in denial.

01:47:07.000 Alex, you know, it's like anybody else, it's such a... Implications stop many people from going past square one.

01:47:15.000 I mean, they say, well, wait a minute, you know, are we talking about an inside job here?

01:47:20.000 And I'm saying, well, I'm talking about physics.

01:47:22.000 And they say, but that would imply an inside job.

01:47:25.000 I say, I'm afraid so.

01:47:27.000 You know, explosives in a building, it takes time to plan and plant those explosives and incendiaries.

01:47:33.000 Oh, by the way, have you heard the newest?

01:47:35.000 The neocons are now getting on talk radio and writing articles saying the Arabs put bombs and thermite in.

01:47:40.000 Oh, no, you're kidding.

01:47:42.000 Oh, no, sir.

01:47:42.000 No.

01:47:43.000 Yes, sir.

01:47:44.000 They're now saying that the Arabs did it.

01:47:49.000 In Building 7 too, huh?

01:47:51.000 Yes.

01:47:52.000 I see.

01:47:52.000 Now it's no official announcement, the neocons are just out saying it.

01:47:56.000 That is interesting.

01:47:58.000 Well, at least they're finding these arguments of thermite hard to refute, and explosive. 0.56

01:48:04.000 So I guess that's some degree of progress, but of course to suggest that Arabs had access in these buildings, particularly Building 7, which Which housed a secret CIA office is ridiculous in the extreme.

01:48:19.000 Well, it was Defense Intelligence, the Port Authority, the City Police, I mean, everybody was there.

01:48:24.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:48:25.000 Oh, I mean, I know, this is a very secure building.

01:48:29.000 I'm sure there's security.

01:48:31.000 Who was in charge of security at the towers?

01:48:33.000 I mean, he would be offended to have the suggestion, wasn't it?

01:48:38.000 Marvin Bush, yes, yes.

01:48:39.000 Oh yes, Marvin Bush.

01:48:42.000 I mean, he would be offended to hear that somehow these guys have slipped by them.

01:48:47.000 Well, there's other facets to this.

01:48:50.000 I mean, in our talk, you talked about how we've had all these other skyscrapers burn for multiple days in some cases.

01:48:57.000 These are laboratory experiments in the real world.

01:49:00.000 That right there shows that the fires didn't bring these buildings down.

01:49:05.000 Now you've got the thermite evidence and we've got video of it pouring out.

01:49:08.000 You've tested it.

01:49:10.000 When you test it, it isn't just thermite, it's thermate.

01:49:12.000 I mean, wow, this is amazing!

01:49:14.000 Yeah, it's one of those cases where the evidence comes out and it takes some work to dig at it.

01:49:22.000 Literally dig at it in the case of the molten metal samples.

01:49:25.000 It just fits this picture of controlled demolition.

01:49:31.000 And the case is getting overwhelming now, I'm afraid.

01:49:34.000 Well, I salute you, Professor Stephen Jones.

01:49:37.000 A final little five-minute segment here on the other side.

01:49:39.000 You get back to your students and maybe have time to eat that bologna sandwich you got.

01:49:43.000 I'm guessing what you're eating for lunch.

01:49:45.000 It was tuna, but yeah, you're right.

01:49:47.000 I was eating... I'm the same way.

01:49:49.000 We'll be right back.

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01:52:49.000 Professor Jones did a great job at the Chicago 9-11 Conference.

01:53:06.000 He'll be doing his big PowerPoint complete with video clips, documents, photos.

01:53:10.000 Going over the collapse of World Trade Center 1, 2, and 7 coming up on the 24th and 25th.

01:53:16.000 He's one of our keynote speakers.

01:53:18.000 We really look forward to him being there and thank him for being there.

01:53:20.000 Get your tickets now at InfoWars.com.

01:53:23.000 They're going quick.

01:53:24.000 It's going to sell out.

01:53:25.000 You're going to wish.

01:53:26.000 It happens every event I ever have.

01:53:27.000 We'll turn away hundreds. 0.64

01:53:29.000 In fact, they had standing room only in Chicago and this wasn't my event.

01:53:32.000 It was supposed to hold 500.

01:53:33.000 It was really over 600.

01:53:34.000 They overfilled it.

01:53:35.000 People were standing.

01:53:37.000 I don't want to do this with my event, so we're going to cut it off.

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01:53:50.000 Professor Jones, in the last three minutes we've got left here, I want to thank you for joining us, but any other facets, any other areas, any other key points you'd like to make here today?

01:53:59.000 Well, we've covered that which is most interesting to me.

01:54:02.000 I guess I will Well, first of all, I'm looking forward to the L.A.

01:54:08.000 conference.

01:54:09.000 That was great fun in Chicago, and I think what you're doing in L.A.

01:54:12.000 will be, as you say, bigger, and I'm really looking forward to that.

01:54:19.000 What about going back to your previous research?

01:54:21.000 I mean, before you were just showing mathematically and with science that the official story was impossible and how they claim they fell was a lie.

01:54:31.000 Now you've got this and then we've got all the firefighters and police saying bombs are going off and we have all this other... We have Silverstein slipping up and saying he pulled it.

01:54:39.000 I mean, is this not an orgy of evidence?

01:54:41.000 Did they think that we wouldn't notice or we wouldn't catch him?

01:54:43.000 Why do you think they thought they'd get away with it?

01:54:45.000 Oh, gosh.

01:54:47.000 I mean, now we're out of physics into pathological psychology, Alex.

01:54:52.000 I mean, these guys.

01:54:54.000 But, you know, they made mistakes, I think, is the explanation.

01:54:58.000 And, I mean, look, they shipped this steel out.

01:55:01.000 They figured they, in my opinion, this was terrible.

01:55:05.000 I mean, and many others, too.

01:55:07.000 Ship that evidence out of there and melt it.

01:55:09.000 But they made mistakes.

01:55:11.000 I mean, there's enough evidence around that we can piece together.

01:55:15.000 Archaeology, archaeometry.

01:55:17.000 We can actually piece together fairly clearly now what's happened.

01:55:22.000 You specifically spoke, I mean you said two colleagues work with you on these projects there.

01:55:28.000 What are they now saying after these other scientists worked with you?

01:55:33.000 Well, I mean in particular one of them working with me, his approach is It has been for months.

01:55:41.000 He says, I am determined to find out what's in these previously molten metal samples and publish it and let the chips fall where they may.

01:55:50.000 He said, I don't really like to get into who is involved.

01:55:50.000 That's his approach.

01:55:56.000 Now, personally, I find I have to try to figure that out too, but it's hard.

01:56:03.000 And you've done a lot of research on that.

01:56:04.000 And I like Webster Tarpley's research and others.

01:56:08.000 You know, people have gotten into it.

01:56:10.000 You were trying to say something before I interrupted you.

01:56:11.000 What was that?

01:56:13.000 Oh gosh.

01:56:15.000 I guess that the people I'm working with here are becoming convinced.

01:56:18.000 I talked to Jeff yesterday, another physicist, and he said he's been reading about You know, the neoconservatives and the bankers, and you know, it doesn't take long, you get into this, and again, the evidence starts falling into place.

01:56:36.000 Well, the big thing is these globalists brag about it.

01:56:38.000 They write policy papers, and then you've got their own words.

01:56:43.000 Yeah, you've got that PNAC document, which I read through, and I mean, it's couched in language, it doesn't sound too bad, but then you read about this Yeah, catastrophic and catalyzing event.

01:56:56.000 And you're sitting there, boy, I hope they don't have another one of these up their sleeve, you know.

01:57:00.000 And so, well, that possibility does raise some urgency and means that this scientific research is more than just An academic exercise.

01:57:11.000 It's about saving this country.

01:57:13.000 Professor Jones, thank you for what you're doing.

01:57:15.000 I can't wait to shake your hand again and buy you dinner in Los Angeles.

01:57:19.000 We'll see you on the... I look forward to it.

01:57:20.000 You bet.

01:57:20.000 Get back to your class.

01:57:21.000 God bless you.

01:57:22.000 Okay.

01:57:23.000 Talk to you later.

01:57:23.000 Thanks, Alex.

01:57:24.000 Take care.

01:57:24.000 Bye-bye.

01:57:25.000 Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we've got a special interview coming up for you, and I'm off to Bilderberg.

01:57:30.000 Bye-bye.

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01:58:07.000 Remember Nick Byrd?

01:58:09.000 He got his head supposedly sawed off in Iraq.

01:58:13.000 Why did he give one of the hijackers his laptop and passcode?

01:58:17.000 Why did he and so many others, including Oklahoma City bombers, train at the same military base, same flight school?

01:58:24.000 How does it all interconnect?

01:58:25.000 Very, very important.

01:58:27.000 Detailed report coming up.

01:58:28.000 We have posted on presentplanet.com and infowars.com with a guest in the next segment.

01:58:33.000 Right now, R.B.

01:58:35.000 R.B., you're on the air.

01:58:36.000 Where are you calling us from?

01:58:38.000 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.

01:58:39.000 Welcome.

01:58:40.000 Go ahead.

01:58:41.000 I'm listening on the internet.

01:58:42.000 Big fan.

01:58:42.000 I've watched a lot of your videos.

01:58:46.000 They're conditioning us up here in Canada right now.

01:58:50.000 Ever since the Conservative minority government got elected, He's, uh, Mr. Harper, Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister, new Prime Minister up here, has been instituting rules that are, like, Bush-like.

01:59:00.000 He wants the media to back off.

01:59:03.000 He's eliminated certain things.

01:59:05.000 He's brought down a top-down approach, the same way Bush did.

01:59:11.000 He's a complete, um, he's only got a minority government, but he's acting completely like a Well, he's also a member of the Bilderberg Group and it's reported that he's going to be attending the meeting on the 8th, 9th, and 10th in Ottawa.

01:59:25.000 Exactly, and this is the other thing.

01:59:28.000 He's trying to institute a Bush-like approach to everything, and he's only got a minority government.

01:59:33.000 And so, in reality, if there wasn't something up his sleeve, he'd be...

01:59:39.000 He's endangering his position, his government as a minority government, the way he's acting towards the media and the people, ignoring democratic procedures and stuff like that.

01:59:48.000 Almost like he's got something up his sleeve.

01:59:50.000 But he's supposedly conservative, but he's not retracting some of the gun control laws brought in by the, quote, liberals.

01:59:58.000 Oh no, in fact, he says he ran on eliminating it, but as soon as he got elected, of course, he said, oh, we can't eliminate it because the rest of the country would be upset, blah, blah, blah.

02:00:07.000 And now they're just going to phase it in more efficiently.

02:00:12.000 And lately we've had two parliamentary sessions where Experts have gotten up and said, well, the conditions are now, are set in Canada now for a terrorist attack here in Canada, just like in England in the subway system, from homegrown Al-Qaeda sympathizers.

02:00:28.000 And he says, there's many of them.

02:00:30.000 We know where they are.

02:00:31.000 And I'm thinking, oh, jeez, I've heard this before.

02:00:31.000 We know who they are.

02:00:34.000 But they can't bust them, though.

02:00:36.000 No, of course not.

02:00:37.000 Well, they can take all your freedoms, though.

02:00:40.000 Well, it's just funny, especially with that Cotter thing.

02:00:43.000 This Qadar kid, who was used by the CIA when he got round up in Afghanistan, along with his little brother, his little brother, his 15-year-old brother is still in the, was sent down to Guantanamo.

02:00:55.000 But this guy was 18 or 19 at the time, and he was used by the CIA to infiltrate into Iraq and stuff.

02:01:03.000 They said, well, we're gonna, if you play ball with us, you know, they rounded him up on those generic sweeps over in Afghanistan.

02:01:09.000 He was over there with his dad.

02:01:10.000 And they said, if you play ball with us and pretend to be an Al-Qaeda terrorist and go out and make all these statements and tell your mom and dad and your family members that you're a member of Al-Qaeda, and then that gets broadcast all over at home here, and so it's a psy-op.

02:01:31.000 And they're doing it for us up here in Canada now.

02:01:33.000 I know, they had a bunch of events where they bused supposed Al-Qaeda leaders and then a month later you'll see it in the BBC.

02:01:39.000 Oh, that was a staged arrest to protect the agent's anonymity.

02:01:42.000 That wasn't a real Al-Qaeda.

02:01:44.000 Thanks for the call.

02:01:45.000 I appreciate your call.

02:01:46.000 We'll get to Paul, another call in Canada here later, and Charles and others.

02:01:51.000 The toll-free number to join us is 1-800-259-9231.

02:01:53.000 We'll have open phones throughout this hour, but we've got a special guest coming up.

02:01:58.000 He's put out a Detailed report here.

02:02:02.000 Getting into some of the bizarre goings on in Oklahoma.

02:02:08.000 Terrorist training camps.

02:02:10.000 Bizarre CIA operations.

02:02:14.000 It's all coming up after this quick break.

02:02:17.000 Don't forget we've got our big 9-11 symposium coming up June 24th and 25th.

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02:02:45.000 Hello friends, Alex Jones here and I'm excited to announce we're going to have a huge 9-11 conference in downtown Los Angeles on the 24th and 25th of June.

02:02:53.000 We're expecting around 1,000 people in attendance.

02:02:56.000 At this historic event, we will irrefutably document that 9-11 was an inside job, a self-inflicted wound, a false flag terror operation.

02:03:06.000 The conference is titled 9-11 and the Neocon Agenda.

02:03:10.000 I'm happy to announce the conference will feature presentations by incredible speakers like BYU physics professor Stephen Jones, the father of the Star Wars program, Lieutenant Colonel Robert Bowman, former top-level CIA analyst for Reagan and Bush, Ray McGovern, 9-11 hero William Rodriguez, author Webster Charnley, Professor Jim Fetzer, and many, many others, including special guests.

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02:05:54.000 Colin Vanden Nieuwenhoff is our guest.

02:06:08.000 He lives up in Oklahoma.

02:06:10.000 He's friends with one of my employees, Kevin Smith.

02:06:13.000 He put out a really detailed report.

02:06:15.000 For Cerebellum.tv, he's expanded it for InfoWars.com.

02:06:20.000 It's in the guest section on the main page of InfoWars.com today.

02:06:25.000 And we've talked a lot about this with a piece here, a piece there.

02:06:29.000 Why were supposed Oklahoma City bombers trained in Oklahoma with government connections brought in by Bush Sr., former Iraqi Republican Guard?

02:06:38.000 This is even in the Washington Times and Washington Post, folks, at the end of the Gulf War.

02:06:43.000 Why were they involved in the bombing?

02:06:44.000 Why did Nick Berg, who supposedly got his head sawed off, in Iraq, just a few days after the Associated Press reported the FBI had him in custody and quote, handed him over to a group that then gave him to Al-Qaeda.

02:06:59.000 You see, this is all hidden in plain view.

02:07:02.000 Why do we have Mr. Berg giving his laptop and laptop codes to one of the supposed hijackers of 9-11?

02:07:11.000 Why were they trained at U.S.

02:07:12.000 bases and flight schools?

02:07:14.000 Well, these are spy training bases, ladies and gentlemen. 0.87

02:07:17.000 And you have all these same individuals connected to each other over and over and over again.

02:07:23.000 And Mr. Vanden Neuwenhoff has put together a detailed report, and I've read over it.

02:07:29.000 It's all very factual.

02:07:31.000 And we're going to try to break this down for you today.

02:07:33.000 Holland, thanks for coming on with us.

02:07:36.000 You're welcome, Alex.

02:07:37.000 Thank you very much.

02:07:39.000 A thumbnail sketch, run through the whole story for us, the highlights, and then we'll go into more detail in each area.

02:07:46.000 But, I mean, you started noticing all these connections, so you researched it.

02:07:51.000 Break it down for us.

02:07:53.000 Well, I'm a research assistant for OTR Productions.

02:07:56.000 We're making a documentary on the Oklahoma City bombing.

02:07:58.000 In the course of this, we saw some pretty interesting connections between 9-11 and Oakland City.

02:08:04.000 Same characters involved, same ARAT people who enjoy apparent immunity from prosecution took part in both events.

02:08:13.000 And not only that, in examining the records and the documents of hijackers going in and out of Oklahoma, 9-11 hijackers, Traveling, training in Oklahoma, we found that there was a CIA agent, David Edger, who was in Germany monitoring the Hamburg cell.

02:08:34.000 And then he traveled to Oklahoma, where they had their meeting here in Oklahoma City.

02:08:39.000 The same high-techers he was watching in Germany, he was watching here in Oklahoma.

02:08:43.000 And so that led me to believe that Oklahoma for some reason, I can guess at the reason, is being used as some sort of support base for the state-sponsored terror.

02:08:56.000 Now we also have a SWAT, and we have Jim Loftus, Chief Anti-Terror Expert, retired now with the Justice Department, even going on Fox News.

02:09:03.000 In fact, guys, dig that clip back out for me.

02:09:06.000 I want to play that later.

02:09:07.000 Coming out and talking about a SWAT being MI6 being protected.

02:09:11.000 He's the supposed mastermind of the London bombings, but he's no MI6 being protected.

02:09:16.000 He's in the U.S.

02:09:18.000 in Washington State.

02:09:20.000 The Justice Department and FBI want to bust him there.

02:09:22.000 They're told back off, leave him alone.

02:09:24.000 So over and over again, every time we find one of these terror nests, it turns out to be handled and controlled by Western intelligence.

02:09:34.000 That's correct, Alex.

02:09:35.000 You're talking about Harlan Oswald.

02:09:38.000 His accomplices were tried for running an Al Qaeda camp in the Washington State.

02:09:41.000 Somehow he managed to escape from that and came to Britain, supposedly masterminded the London bombings. 0.61

02:09:47.000 That same modus operandi.

02:09:49.000 Was used in 9-11, I mean, in the Oklahoma City bombing.

02:09:53.000 You see the same standard operating procedure.

02:09:55.000 You see these people with apparent immunity getting away doing the same thing over and over.

02:09:59.000 And we've got living together and driving around on buses together.

02:10:03.000 Nick Berg, the young man who wanted to go help people with communications goodies.

02:10:09.000 Classic CIA folks.

02:10:12.000 Uh, traveling around in Iraq, and then clearly gets his head cut off inside Abu Ghraib.

02:10:18.000 Same yellow wall, same white chairs. 0.89

02:10:20.000 Uh, clearly Westerners dressed up like Arabs sawing his head off. 0.96

02:10:24.000 Uh, forensics experts look at it and say the body was clearly already dead.

02:10:28.000 He'd probably been killed by a sniper or something in combat, and they probably just sawed his head off.

02:10:33.000 Well, this will make him look like a patriot.

02:10:35.000 I mean, Lord knows what really went on, but we've got Nick Berg, admittedly, with these guys, too. 0.97

02:10:40.000 I mean, this is ridiculous!

02:10:42.000 Nicholas Berg, like you said, his laptop was used to email Zachary Massali in Minnesota, from Oklahoma to Minnesota, where Massali had recently moved.

02:10:53.000 According to CNN and Nick Berg's father, the story is that Nick Berg lent his laptop to a complete stranger on a transit bus.

02:11:03.000 And uh... gave him his password so this unknown party could email him a solid.

02:11:07.000 Nick Berg was of course investigated by the FBI for this and of course he was cleared but I mean for one thing, this was in 2001, Nick Berg wasn't even a student at OU then and The buses in Oklahoma, they did not have wireless technology in 2001.

02:11:23.000 And it's just a complete fabrication of a story, and this story is accepted by the media with no further examination.

02:11:23.000 They did not.

02:11:30.000 That's right.

02:11:31.000 In 2001, wireless might be in your house or in your business, but there were no wireless networks on the roads.

02:11:37.000 No one that I know, five, six years ago, was driving around with wireless laptops.

02:11:43.000 No, no one.

02:11:44.000 I mean, the technology was rare, if available at all.

02:11:48.000 I mean, there weren't wireless networks on the roads is the point.

02:11:52.000 Yes, you're correct.

02:11:53.000 But it's the same people.

02:11:55.000 Look, I mean, it's in my film Road to Tyranny.

02:11:57.000 We have the LA Times, the Washington Post, all admitting 5,000 Iraqi Republican Guard, 3,000 by Bush, 2,000 plus by Clinton, brought in.

02:12:07.000 They're in terror cells all over the U.S.

02:12:10.000 They were trained in the 80s, brought back in, sheep-dipped. 0.92

02:12:13.000 government payroll.

02:12:13.000 They're on U.S.

02:12:14.000 They're in every major city. 0.87

02:12:16.000 They are ready to burn and blow up every major U.S. 0.84

02:12:19.000 city if the government gives one order. 0.98

02:12:21.000 And then there's plausible deniability, because if any of them get caught, oh, it's Arabs. 1.00

02:12:26.000 I mean, we can really see this setup coming from a mile away, and Norman, Oklahoma, and a couple different flight schools and government bases, this seems to be the main nexus point for these operatives.

02:12:38.000 So break down what's in your detailed report.

02:12:42.000 Well, first of all, I break down all the terrorist activity in Norman, Oklahoma itself, because that has been the focus.

02:12:47.000 That's my hometown.

02:12:49.000 We had Muhammad Atta and Mohamed El-Sheikh training there as a pilot.

02:12:53.000 We had Osama Bin Laden's personal pilot actually came there in Norman in 1993 to train at Airman Flight School.

02:13:00.000 The FBI issued a memo about all these ARADS training in Oklahoma called Weapons of Mass Destruction, but nothing was done.

02:13:06.000 Then, of course, Jackson Moussaoui came here in 2001 to train.

02:13:10.000 And on OU campus, if you consult my report, The most insidious thing about this is the presence of CIA agent David Edger.

02:13:22.000 He was in charge of the Hamburg cell that monitored Attaw and while Mastali was talking to this apartment while he was calling them, Edger was listening in.

02:13:33.000 And what is strange about it is that Edger was not just a regular case officer.

02:13:39.000 Prior to that, he had been the Deputy Director of Intelligence for Operation.

02:13:43.000 Of the CIA, which is the covert operations branch of the CIA.

02:13:47.000 It's one of the highest positions in the agency.

02:13:49.000 He took an apparent demotion to watch this little rinky-dink show in Hamburg, which in his own words, he said he heard nothing about it.

02:13:56.000 He heard nothing of interest in that apartment while he was watching it for two years.

02:14:01.000 And then he gets appointed to OU as a CIA officer in residence.

02:14:05.000 Not retired.

02:14:07.000 He is the CIA man on campus at OU, University of Oklahoma.

02:14:11.000 And He is present while Atah and Masali had their meeting here in Oklahoma.

02:14:15.000 He shepherded Atah from Germany to Oklahoma.

02:14:19.000 We can only assume that he was running Oklahoma into things, or he was Atah's handler.

02:14:24.000 I mean, that's just speculation, but that's the only thing that makes sense.

02:14:27.000 Yeah, he's following these people around.

02:14:29.000 Let's add some more background.

02:14:31.000 We have the Dean of the Defense Language School going public saying Bush carried out 9-11 San Jose Mercury News, and he's threatened with arrest.

02:14:39.000 He shuts up.

02:14:40.000 He says, we trained these guys in high-level spy training at the Defense Language School.

02:14:45.000 Then we have them trained at the Pensacola Naval Air Station, MSNBC, Pensacola News Journal.

02:14:50.000 Then we have two different embassies' heads saying they were on terrorist watch lists, but they were ordered to let them, that is Al-Qaeda, Adda and others, back into the U.S.

02:14:58.000 We've interviewed them right here, folks.

02:15:00.000 Let them back into the U.S. 1.00

02:15:01.000 because, quote, they're part of an anti-terror training op.

02:15:04.000 We know these guys were on the government payroll.

02:15:07.000 I mean, we have it from every angle you can imagine.

02:15:12.000 Please continue.

02:15:14.000 Well, I mean, Andrew was watching a car in Hamburg.

02:15:18.000 He's watching them in Oklahoma most probably.

02:15:21.000 But this surveillance did nothing to stop the attacks.

02:15:23.000 We can only assume that Andrew's mission, whatever it was, was successful.

02:15:28.000 And going into Nicholasburg, I mean, I mean, that's not the only terrorist activity that occurred in Oklahoma.

02:15:37.000 One of the plane tickets was purchased at an OU computer terminal for Ziad Jarrah.

02:15:41.000 This despite the fact that Jarrah had been detained in Dubai not too long before this and questioned at the request of the CIA because they knew he was an allocated terrorist.

02:15:52.000 He was released, he came to Oklahoma and purchased a ticket, but this raised no red flags.

02:15:57.000 How come he purchased a ticket in Dubai and be questioned, but he purchased a ticket In the United States, in Oklahoma, and nothing is done about it.

02:16:06.000 And according to the librarian who witnessed the transaction, and told the FBI about it, the man who bought this ticket was not an ARAB.

02:16:14.000 He was a white American male.

02:16:16.000 We have affidavits to support that.

02:16:19.000 I mean, he was described as a skinhead.

02:16:23.000 Really spooky is going on in Oklahoma, in Norman specifically.

02:16:26.000 And that motel that Moussaoui and Attal had their meeting in, in Oklahoma City, was the same motel that, you know, six years previously, Tim McVeigh was seen in with Hussein Al-Husseini.

02:16:40.000 A probable agent provocateur.

02:16:43.000 Exactly.

02:16:43.000 Let's go back.

02:16:44.000 Then we have all these surveillance camera tapes and three separate trials that the government refuses to release, which FBI agents have told the LA Times shows the Hussein individual with McVeigh.

02:16:56.000 Why don't the Feds want us to know that there are these Arabs involved?

02:17:00.000 Because these are Arabs we know brought in by the U.S. 1.00

02:17:02.000 government in their employ.

02:17:04.000 That's part of the public record.

02:17:06.000 So you start putting this together.

02:17:07.000 I mean, this is incredible.

02:17:10.000 If Hussein Husseini was a former supposedly Iraqi Republican Guard member, but he was, there's also a story that he was jailed by Saddam Hussein.

02:17:19.000 If that's true, we probably can guess who he was working for.

02:17:23.000 And he was identified as John Doe number two.

02:17:25.000 People saw him stepping out of the Ryder truck in front of the murder building after McVeigh left it.

02:17:31.000 But they won't allow those tapes to be released, but we have FBI agents on record.

02:17:35.000 So, we'll continue with more details, more facets of this Fascinating story.

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02:21:56.000 We'll play that little clip, too, of John Lopez on Fox talking about a SWAT being protected and working for MI6, Haroon, a SWAT.

02:22:07.000 It's the same story, same people, same handlers.

02:22:11.000 Holland, tell us about the head of the university there in Oklahoma.

02:22:16.000 It's not just this David Edger.

02:22:18.000 And then you guys also had folks that sat in on some of his classes where Edgar brags about what work he did.

02:22:25.000 Tell us all about it.

02:22:27.000 Well, first of all, the OU president is David Boren, who you probably know on the national scene.

02:22:34.000 He was a senator from Oklahoma.

02:22:36.000 He was former governor, and he served on the Senate Intelligence Committee as chairman.

02:22:41.000 He had the longest tenure in Senate history as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

02:22:48.000 He's also Skull and Bones.

02:22:50.000 That is correct, he's Skull and Bones.

02:22:55.000 He is the one who personally appointed David Edger to OU in the weeks prior to 9-11 in the summer of 2001.

02:23:05.000 And David Boren is a deceptive person.

02:23:07.000 David Bourne is a deceptive person. 1.00

02:23:12.000 First of all, he is gay. 1.00

02:23:14.000 And that's a rumor in Oklahoma, and people know it. 0.98

02:23:18.000 Some people don't.

02:23:19.000 But a book came out in 1994 by his former Oxford roommate, detailing his homosexuality, which is fine. 1.00

02:23:26.000 I don't care about anyone's sexual orientation, but they do something to us about it, is what irks me. 1.00

02:23:33.000 And that's probably why David Boren chose not to run for re-election in 1994.

02:23:38.000 That was kind of a surprise move for a very powerful man in the Senate.

02:23:44.000 And David Bourne runs a pretty tight ship at OU.

02:23:48.000 There's pretty much a culture of fear among the campus paper and the faculty and so forth.

02:23:57.000 There's a lot of research by Michael P. Wright into his shenanigans on campus and favoring certain young men.

02:24:02.000 I mean, it's really just a sad story.

02:24:07.000 I don't want to sound like I'm trying to spread gossip about the man, but... I don't want to!

02:24:12.000 Frankly, I want to stick to the terrorism stuff.

02:24:16.000 We've got all this weird stuff going on, is your point?

02:24:18.000 Yeah, and let me just add one more thing.

02:24:21.000 According to Al Martin's conspirators, a book, David Warren was compromised in 1984 by the intelligence community because of his proclivity.

02:24:30.000 Well, that sounds like it's par for the course.

02:24:33.000 So that's why you brought it up.

02:24:35.000 CIA blackmail schemes against Congress and so forth.

02:24:38.000 They've been in the paper, I mean, the Washington Post, all that, in the 80s.

02:24:42.000 Sure, I understand.

02:24:43.000 Getting back into just this whole plethora of buzzards circling the area there in Norman, Oklahoma, why do you think they've chosen this as a base of operations for these patsies and decoys?

02:24:57.000 Well, obviously it's safe ground to conduct covert operations.

02:25:00.000 The Oklahoma City bombing happened here, and we all know The reams of evidence that proved the government was lying about that.

02:25:06.000 And you know what?

02:25:06.000 They got away with it.

02:25:07.000 The local media in Oklahoma is very tightly controlled.

02:25:11.000 They dropped all those stories investigating Hussein al Husseini, talking about second and third bombs found at the building.

02:25:18.000 All of those stories were dropped.

02:25:20.000 It's like those reporters on TV never said those things.

02:25:22.000 Those words never came out of their mouths.

02:25:25.000 And so the media is in the establishment's pocket.

02:25:28.000 The law enforcement community in Oklahoma is compromised.

02:25:32.000 They cooperated with the cover-up of the Oklahoma City bombing, and those individual officers who chose to tell the truth were punished, sent before punishment boards, forced retirements, harassment, or murdered.

02:25:45.000 And Terrence Yackey was murdered in a very bloody manner, and his death served as an example.

02:25:50.000 And I've talked to police officers who are scared because of what happened to Yackey.

02:25:56.000 Very scared.

02:25:57.000 I've had a police officer cry in front of me.

02:26:00.000 Because of what I revealed that happened to Yaky. 0.97

02:26:04.000 It's a safe ground.

02:26:05.000 They got away with it in Oklahoma City and nothing by the law enforcement or media in this state was done.

02:26:11.000 So that's why they continue to use it.

02:26:12.000 So you talk to officers and they know what's going on but they're scared?

02:26:16.000 They're scared.

02:26:17.000 They know.

02:26:17.000 They know beyond a doubt what happened.

02:26:20.000 Not all of them.

02:26:21.000 But the ones who knew Yakey and knew what he was trying to reveal, what he was trying to talk about, he was the first officer to respond to the bombing.

02:26:29.000 Yeah, he was top of the year.

02:26:31.000 Yeah, but he was an outstanding officer in every way.

02:26:35.000 I've talked to his fellow members.

02:26:36.000 He was an outstanding man in every way.

02:26:39.000 And because of that, he chose to uphold his oath to protect the public.

02:26:43.000 He would not lie.

02:26:44.000 He would not Forget what he had seen in that building.

02:26:48.000 And he paid the price for it, unfortunately.

02:26:50.000 We're going to have a break here in just a moment.

02:26:56.000 Holland, what are some of the other key points that you make in this essay you've written, which is excellent, that you'd like to relay to the listeners when we get back?

02:27:04.000 Well, I'd just like to talk about the fact that this Al-Qaeda cell in Oklahoma, Warren Norman, is operating under protection and is probably going to be used again in the future, a la the Heinrich Suicide Bombing, which I believe was a foul-up.

02:27:18.000 That's right, we've got the young man blowing himself up at a football game, that was kept very quiet.

02:27:23.000 Now, folks, they'll take a jackhammer and make it national news, or a WMD attack, Why do they clamp down on that so fast?

02:27:33.000 We'll be right back.

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02:31:07.000 Oklahoma City Bombers.

02:31:09.000 All in Norman, Oklahoma.

02:31:11.000 What?

02:31:13.000 CIA high-level agents fluttering around.

02:31:17.000 Former heads of Senate Intelligence Committees, the heads of the University.

02:31:21.000 All of this happening, the same M.O.

02:31:23.000 over and over again.

02:31:24.000 Here's Mr. Loftus who we interviewed, and of course he said even more on this show, but here's the Fox News clip where the former Justice Department anti-terrorism chief expert talked about how Haroon Aswad was being protected by key elements of the CIA and MI6.

02:31:43.000 From the FBI and others.

02:31:45.000 Because again, these entire agencies aren't doing this.

02:31:47.000 It's certain key compartments that are doing it.

02:31:50.000 Compartments at the top.

02:31:51.000 Let's roll this little Fox News clip.

02:31:54.000 A SWAT is believed to be the mastermind.

02:31:57.000 Of all the bombings in London, on the 7-7 and 7-21, this is the guy, we think.

02:32:03.000 This is THE guy, and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6, or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him.

02:32:15.000 And this has been a real source of contention between CIA, Justice Department, and Britain.

02:32:20.000 Hold on, John.

02:32:20.000 MI6 has been hiding him.

02:32:22.000 Are you saying that he has been working for them?

02:32:25.000 Oh, I'm not saying it.

02:32:27.000 This is what the Muslim sheikh said in an interview in a British newspaper back in 2001.

02:32:31.000 So he's a double agent?

02:32:34.000 He's a double agent.

02:32:36.000 So he's working for the Brits to try to give them information about Al-Qaeda, but in reality he's still an Al-Qaeda operative?

02:32:42.000 Yeah.

02:32:43.000 The CIA and the Israelis all accused MI6 of letting all these terrorists live in London, not because they were getting Al-Qaeda information, but for appeasement.

02:32:54.000 It was one of those, you leave us alone and we leave you alone kind of things.

02:32:57.000 Well, we left him alone too long then.

02:32:59.000 Absolutely.

02:33:00.000 Now, we knew about this guy Oswald.

02:33:02.000 Back in 1999, he came to America.

02:33:05.000 The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon.

02:33:12.000 So they indicted the buddy, right?

02:33:13.000 But why didn't they indict him?

02:33:15.000 Well, it comes out, we've just learned, That the headquarters of the U.S.

02:33:20.000 Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Oswalt.

02:33:24.000 Hello!

02:33:25.000 Now hold on.

02:33:27.000 Why?

02:33:28.000 Well, apparently Oswalt was working for British Intelligence.

02:33:31.000 Now Oswalt's boss, the one-armed Captain Hook, he gets indicted two years later.

02:33:38.000 So the guy above him and below him get indicted, but not Oswalt.

02:33:42.000 Now, there's a split of opinion within U.S.

02:33:44.000 intelligence.

02:33:45.000 Some people say that the British intelligence fibbed to us.

02:33:48.000 They told us that Aswat was dead.

02:33:50.000 And that's why the New York group dropped the case.

02:33:53.000 That's not what most of the Justice Department thinks.

02:33:55.000 They think that it was just, again, covering up for this very publicly affiliated guy with Al Mujarrar.

02:34:01.000 He was a British intelligence plant.

02:34:03.000 So all of a sudden, He disappears.

02:34:06.000 He's in South Africa.

02:34:07.000 We think he's dead.

02:34:08.000 We don't know he's down there.

02:34:10.000 Last month, the South African Secret Service come across the guy.

02:34:13.000 Yeah, now CIA says he's alive.

02:34:14.000 Oh, he's alive?

02:34:16.000 Our CIA says, okay, let's arrest him.

02:34:18.000 But the Brits say no again?

02:34:19.000 The Brits say no.

02:34:21.000 Now, at this point, Two weeks ago, the Brits know that the CIA wants to get a hold of Haroon.

02:34:28.000 So what happens?

02:34:29.000 He takes off again.

02:34:30.000 Goes right to London.

02:34:32.000 He isn't arrested when he lands.

02:34:33.000 He isn't arrested when he leaves, even though he's on a watch list.

02:34:36.000 He's on the watch list!

02:34:38.000 The only reason he could get away with that was if he was working for British Intelligence.

02:34:42.000 He was a wanted man.

02:34:43.000 Alright, so there's the clip from Fox with Mr. Loftus.

02:34:48.000 We're talking to Holland Vanden Neuhoff and he's our guest.

02:34:52.000 He's of course a former Marine.

02:34:55.000 And local activists there in Oklahoma City, investigative journalists out there, freelancing, getting the truth out.

02:35:00.000 And he's got this big, detailed report, Oklahoma, the Axis of Evil, expanded exclusively for Infowars.com, originally published for Cerebellum.tv.

02:35:11.000 It's up on Infowars.com right now.

02:35:14.000 Holland, I'd like your permission to add a little bit to the headlines, so people know exactly what it is they're looking at.

02:35:20.000 I'd like to, okay, then I'll add a sub-headline.

02:35:23.000 to a giant government terror training nest in Oklahoma, protecting terrorists.

02:35:29.000 How does that sub-headline sound to you, something like that?

02:35:33.000 That sounds very appropriate.

02:35:34.000 We're about to go to some calls, but bottom line, you've been studying this Everything in your article is checked out from my research.

02:35:41.000 In fact, it's even worse.

02:35:42.000 We've got this whole history of this.

02:35:44.000 We know they're being protected.

02:35:45.000 I've had other police detectives and many others on this show, FBI, lawyers, who've covered this.

02:35:51.000 We know there's 5,000 Iraqis trained in the 80s here, brought back.

02:35:55.000 They were double agents against Saddam, even when he was our ally, brought back in. 0.83

02:35:59.000 They're now being used to deal narcotics, weapons, to finance their operations.

02:36:05.000 Every time cops bust them, they're told, the feds tell them, let them go.

02:36:08.000 We know they're in every major city.

02:36:10.000 We know they're in Austin, they're in Dallas, they're in Houston, they're in Oklahoma, they're in LA, they're in Detroit, they're in New York.

02:36:15.000 The globalists give the order, these people start blowing stuff up.

02:36:18.000 Do you agree with that statement?

02:36:20.000 Our government's using and controlling these guys, or do you want to add anything to that?

02:36:23.000 Give us the big picture.

02:36:25.000 I totally agree, and you know, the fact is, these guys that are being used, they may not even know who they're working for.

02:36:31.000 They may actually believe that they're working for Osama Bin Laden, or Muslim jihadists, or whatever.

02:36:37.000 I mean, that's the principle of intelligence operations, is that the operators, the limited hangout guys that you That you offer out there a sacrifice, really have no clue as to who their true master is.

02:36:50.000 And because that offers plausible deniability.

02:36:53.000 And it also offers a limited hangout if they should get caught.

02:36:56.000 Well, David Edger is a super high-level CIA agent involved in covert operations worldwide, very senior in the CIA, right before 9-11.

02:37:05.000 He shows up clearly as a handler.

02:37:07.000 He's involved there, and then boom, all this happens.

02:37:10.000 I mean, this stinks to high heaven.

02:37:12.000 And again, we have Nick Berg as a satellite of all of this.

02:37:15.000 It just never ends.

02:37:17.000 Yes, I mean like David Edger.

02:37:20.000 A colleague of mine went to David Edger's class at OU.

02:37:22.000 He admitted to watching Net-A-Toth in Hamburg, Germany.

02:37:26.000 He admitted, but he quickly undercut any questions as to, you know, if there was anything interesting.

02:37:32.000 Then he said, he heard nothing of interest.

02:37:36.000 You're on a cell phone, aren't you?

02:37:38.000 Yes, I am.

02:37:38.000 I'm sorry.

02:37:39.000 It's cutting out real bad.

02:37:41.000 I'm sorry.

02:37:42.000 No, you're back now.

02:37:42.000 Repeat what you said.

02:37:44.000 Okay.

02:37:45.000 A colleague of mine went to David Edger's class.

02:37:48.000 He admitted to watching Mohammed Atta in Hamburg, Germany.

02:37:52.000 But he said he had heard enough.

02:37:54.000 Get it again.

02:37:56.000 Stop right there.

02:37:57.000 We may not be able to continue.

02:37:59.000 Are you in the same spot you were earlier?

02:38:01.000 No.

02:38:02.000 We'll go back.

02:38:04.000 Are you in the same spot physically with your cell phone?

02:38:08.000 No, I'm not.

02:38:08.000 We're headed back right now.

02:38:11.000 All right.

02:38:12.000 Let me do this.

02:38:12.000 Let me try to take a few calls, and we'll see if it gets better in just a moment.

02:38:16.000 Stay right there, Holland. 1.00

02:38:18.000 Let's go ahead.

02:38:19.000 These will be all over the map, but that's okay.

02:38:21.000 Paul in Vancouver, Canada.

02:38:24.000 You're on the air.

02:38:24.000 Go ahead, Paul.

02:38:25.000 Hi, Alex.

02:38:27.000 Excellent, excellent show.

02:38:30.000 I just have a few points to make.

02:38:32.000 The previous call from Canada is right. 0.99

02:38:34.000 We are being pretty much conditioned.

02:38:37.000 The media here, they would never report anything that you report on.

02:38:43.000 Global or Canwest is the biggest media company here.

02:38:48.000 They reach 94% of Canada.

02:38:50.000 Half of the board is Jewish and they always seem to show that That extra 10 minutes of what's going on in Israel and Palestine when most people here don't even really care and they refuse to report on anything big. 0.80

02:39:03.000 I just had a few other points.

02:39:07.000 In Vancouver, I'm telling you the New World Order is coming.

02:39:10.000 The North American Union is coming. 0.67

02:39:12.000 You know, a few months ago I saw a military ban with a United States military plate on it.

02:39:18.000 Speeding in the HOV lane with only one occupant.

02:39:22.000 And I'm thinking to myself, well what the hell is going on here?

02:39:24.000 What's this guy doing here?

02:39:25.000 Well sir, they've signed agreements.

02:39:27.000 You have U.S.

02:39:28.000 State Police.

02:39:29.000 From even Texas up in Canada running quote checkpoints to quote teach your police how to operate.

02:39:36.000 Now American cops are sent around our hemisphere to train people on how to set up a police state. 0.97

02:39:42.000 That's how pathetic we are.

02:39:44.000 It's been in your papers that the American Union is forming the CFR documents being implemented. 0.96

02:39:49.000 That's what this legalization of all these illegals Bush is pushing is all about. 0.51

02:39:54.000 Anything else?

02:39:55.000 Well, um, yeah, um, also, uh, last year I was disgusted the Drug Enforcement Agency came up here into Vancouver and basically shoved their way in and busted somebody for a, you know, a questionable crime.

02:40:09.000 I wouldn't even call it a crime.

02:40:10.000 Selling seeds of marijuana.

02:40:12.000 You know, there's a debate in itself.

02:40:14.000 And also, I just had a question for you, um, how long before, um, they start to try and chip us?

02:40:20.000 Because I figure there's between five and ten years left before... Alright, I appreciate your call, sir.

02:40:25.000 Everybody's always freaking out over the chips, and I've been talking about it long before most people were.

02:40:31.000 They're going to make prisoners do it, old people, when you go in the hospital. 1.00

02:40:35.000 They're going to start phasing it in, and really that comes after the big terror attack.

02:40:40.000 Three or four more big terror attacks.

02:40:42.000 Because after every terror attack, they take more freedom, and the next attack's bigger, then they take more freedom, and the next attack's bigger, they take even more freedom, then they've got to condition you to, that's always the answer, give up your freedom.

02:40:52.000 But no, there really is a governmental, institutional move To push implantable, trackable RFID chips.

02:40:59.000 But it doesn't matter.

02:40:59.000 Your cell phone already tracks you.

02:41:01.000 RFID and products already tracks you.

02:41:04.000 We're on the verge in Texas of having RFID tracker chips in all of our inspection stickers to tax us and track us and trace us.

02:41:11.000 So all of that's going in.

02:41:12.000 It's already here, sir.

02:41:14.000 That's when it's going to start.

02:41:15.000 It's already here.

02:41:16.000 And the media kind of uses the microchipping us physically in our flesh As the extreme to make all the other bad stuff they do not look as bad.

02:41:25.000 Going back to our guest, Holland Vanden Nieuwenhoff.

02:41:31.000 Sir, are you in a better self-position now?

02:41:34.000 Can you hear me now?

02:41:35.000 Yes, I can.

02:41:36.000 What do you think about all, you know, just the general police state that's going into the US right now, but nothing being done with our borders except more smoke and mirrors?

02:41:46.000 Well, I mean, Just watching the 9-11 hijackers, they're moving through Oklahoma into the United States, while they were known Al-Qaeda terrorists.

02:41:53.000 Most of these hijackers, I mean at least Mohammed Atta had been identified by Able Danger as an Al-Qaeda cell leader.

02:42:00.000 The other hijackers, one hijacker, Nawaf Al-Hamzi, got a speeding ticket in Oklahoma, despite the fact that he had been known as an Al-Qaeda terrorist since January of 2000.

02:42:12.000 Allowed into this country. 1.00

02:42:13.000 I mean, it's just ridiculous. 0.94

02:42:15.000 They want to restrict our civil liberties and punish the citizenry for their apparent stallops while we have al-Qaeda terrorists. 0.85

02:42:23.000 Slitting in and out of the country, I will, getting issued visas despite terrorist connections.

02:42:27.000 It's just, the dichotomy is maddening.

02:42:29.000 But they call the embassy head up and say, we don't care if he's red flagged, he works for us.

02:42:35.000 You see, we've got it from every angle that they work for the U.S.

02:42:39.000 government, and knowingly, folks.

02:42:41.000 Let's talk to Charles in Louisiana.

02:42:43.000 Charles, you're on the air.

02:42:44.000 Go ahead.

02:42:45.000 Yes, sir, Mr. Jones.

02:42:46.000 I want to report that ABC lost, uh, they, uh, broadcasters got hit.

02:42:52.000 And they're dead.

02:42:53.000 Two died.

02:42:54.000 Yeah, two of them died.

02:42:55.000 Others got wounded.

02:42:56.000 Yes.

02:42:57.000 That was yesterday.

02:42:58.000 Yes.

02:42:59.000 How do you think they feel about that?

02:43:00.000 Do they feel affected by that?

02:43:02.000 Or does it matter to them?

02:43:04.000 You know, CBS, I mean, they lied to us anyway.

02:43:07.000 Should we care about it?

02:43:08.000 Because they are... Well, I'll say this.

02:43:11.000 The official U.S.-Israeli plan was to go into Iraq, break it down into three to four sections, have civil war.

02:43:19.000 So when you hear we're failing, no, they mean our troops to die, they mean it to be a quagmire while they build the bases, to then ratchet up the next level into Iran. 0.99

02:43:29.000 And so that's why generals were always getting replaced every three or four months, because they'd try to actually fix things and they'd say, no, you're fired.

02:43:36.000 We could have gone in there, got the lights on, got a government in, and none of this would have happened.

02:43:40.000 But our government has been caught, along with Israelis and the British, bombing mosques, stirring stuff up, and then once they stirred it up, now it's really falling apart on its own. 0.99

02:43:50.000 Our troops can't leave the green zone.

02:43:52.000 It is all by design.

02:43:54.000 In fact, you're a former Marine.

02:43:56.000 Holland, you want to comment on this?

02:43:58.000 It's just a sad situation.

02:44:00.000 I mean, I feel for my comrades in arms, you know, and it's really You know, it was just Memorial Day yesterday.

02:44:08.000 When you're in the military, you really do not have a mind of your own.

02:44:11.000 Your condition to kill and to survive in a hostile environment and feelings of, you know, distrust of authority and reason and sympathy, empathy with your fellow human being, and actually with the enemy, are just not allowed in that survival mechanism, especially in a war zone.

02:44:30.000 These troops coming back, I've talked to some of them, and they're confused about what's going on over there, but they're still going to help you.

02:44:35.000 They cannot admit that their sacrifice was in vain, that they were tools.

02:44:40.000 That their buddies died, you know, for a bunch of rich white guys who got out of Vietnam when they had their chance.

02:44:46.000 You know, they just will not, psychologically, they cannot admit that Our soldiers are dying in vain over there.

02:44:53.000 But the official U.S.

02:44:55.000 government battle plan said, balkanization strategy, break the place up, we want civil war.

02:45:03.000 Again, people think Bush is failing and is in a miserable job.

02:45:06.000 He has executed the entire operation.

02:45:08.000 He's getting rid of our borders, he's got us in a quagmire, he's doing everything he was supposed to do.

02:45:14.000 I agree.

02:45:16.000 I mean, it's just...

02:45:18.000 You know, the only logical reason for the tremendous incompetence on the part of the military in Iraq is the fact that they are allowing this to happen.

02:45:27.000 There is no reason in the world these stupendous mistakes that Rumsfeld has supposedly made, that generals are criticizing him for. 0.96

02:45:34.000 Rumsfeld's not a dumb man. 1.00

02:45:36.000 He didn't get to where he is by being dumb. 0.94

02:45:38.000 I mean, the things that have ratcheted up the civil war in Iraq have been classical Obvious mistakes that no one should have made that every general advised against yet Rumsfeld Made the military do these certain things disband the army, you know I mean just do things that would guarantee a civil war and by the way by the way 0.96

02:46:00.000 They know in the handbook 101 that you don't just go into the farming belts and bulldoze every date palm every tangerine orchard to quote teach the people a lesson every Everything they did was textbook to make people revolt.

02:46:18.000 Exactly.

02:46:18.000 I mean, it's really a sad situation.

02:46:21.000 I didn't realize that until recently.

02:46:22.000 I was just so, I was actually kind of, you know, enlightened by the fact that That our plans were not working in Iraq, but then I realized this is the plan.

02:46:30.000 This is what they want.

02:46:31.000 Well, sir, we have an 83 Israeli document.

02:46:34.000 We have a 99 Pentagon document.

02:46:36.000 And we have a British document from 2002.

02:46:38.000 The plan is three to four parts.

02:46:40.000 Now, if you listen to NPR or watch PBS, they'll go, we've got a new plan.

02:46:45.000 We'll break it in three to four parts.

02:46:46.000 We're going to do the same thing.

02:46:48.000 Oh, this guy wrote a document about it.

02:46:50.000 Hey, this will work.

02:46:51.000 And so it was the plan all along.

02:46:53.000 Charles, anything else?

02:46:54.000 Yes, sir.

02:46:55.000 When do you think they'll get these churches?

02:46:57.000 I've been calling the churches asking them if, you know, Homeland Defense has gotten in touch with them in a way.

02:47:03.000 They're telling me no, but I don't believe them.

02:47:06.000 But when do you think they're going to confiscate these guns?

02:47:09.000 Well, it's FEMA. 0.90

02:47:10.000 It's FEMA, 13,000 plus counties confirmed.

02:47:12.000 That's official.

02:47:13.000 Brainwashing the pastors to tell their practitioners that when the emergency comes, obey the government, turn in your guns, go to the emergency center, quarantine yourself.

02:47:23.000 It'll come.

02:47:24.000 Probably not after the next attack.

02:47:26.000 They'll have another beta test, only take guns in a certain area.

02:47:30.000 Then, down the road, you see each event gets bigger, each event is a laboratory in and of itself.

02:47:36.000 And so that's when that'll happen, Charles.

02:47:38.000 Mr. Jones, do you think that the American people... Do you think they'll try to...

02:47:43.000 They'll turn them in or they're going to give them up?

02:47:45.000 Yeah, I think most people will turn their guns in.

02:47:48.000 I think about 10% will refuse to the point of troops coming to their door, and I think about half of those will shoot back.

02:47:56.000 And 5% of 100 plus million gun owners is over 5 million, and these armies will be completely wiped out.

02:48:04.000 What do you think, Holland?

02:48:06.000 Actually, I totally agree.

02:48:09.000 We can see in 4th Generation Warfare, which is what Guerrilla Warfare is evolving into, that stateless forces have a tremendous advantage over the slow-moving forces of an oppressive state.

02:48:20.000 And if that would happen, I kind of feel sorry for the people who would take the gun down.

02:48:25.000 I think it's going to be a slaughter.

02:48:27.000 Hopefully, it never comes to that, though.

02:48:29.000 Well, that's why they've got to do it in slow motion.

02:48:30.000 I mean, everybody always goes, look at the military!

02:48:32.000 They're so big, they'll tromp us! 0.98

02:48:34.000 Folks!

02:48:36.000 If 5 million of you have the will, nothing could stop us.

02:48:39.000 You understand?

02:48:40.000 We could take this country in 12 hours.

02:48:43.000 We'll be right back.

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02:51:40.000 If the government tried a mass takeover, total gun confiscation and called it that, it won't total gun confiscation and called it that, it won't work.

02:51:59.000 They'll call it new security parameters.

02:52:03.000 ID cards will have five different levels of identification for citizens.

02:52:07.000 You'll have the trusted citizens and the untrusted citizens in that gamut.

02:52:12.000 And I keep calling it practitioners, it's parishioners.

02:52:15.000 I know that Sometimes I get a word in my head and use the wrong one.

02:52:19.000 A practitioner is like a... he practices medicine or he practices something else.

02:52:25.000 But it's parishioners that the pastors are brainwashing right now.

02:52:30.000 But there is a stated plan.

02:52:32.000 The military has been trained.

02:52:34.000 FEMA has stated plans.

02:52:36.000 It's PDD 25.

02:52:37.000 I've interviewed emergency managers that have been briefed.

02:52:39.000 I have some of the documents.

02:52:41.000 To take our guns.

02:52:42.000 That's part of the record now.

02:52:43.000 You saw New Orleans.

02:52:45.000 This is what the military does.

02:52:46.000 They beta test.

02:52:47.000 They take real life operations and they call that a warfare laboratory.

02:52:52.000 And that's what happened in New Orleans.

02:52:54.000 And they will do that nationwide.

02:52:56.000 They want your guns.

02:52:58.000 Believe me, guns are the only thing holding back total tyranny in this country.

02:53:03.000 They take all your pension funds right now, folks, but they can't because they know there will be war on the streets.

02:53:08.000 Very, very serious.

02:53:10.000 Ron in Oklahoma, you're on the air with our guest, Holland.

02:53:13.000 Go ahead, Ron.

02:53:14.000 Alex, it's becoming fairly common knowledge here in Oklahoma City that the FBI and the ATF blew up the Murrell Building because of the mess they made at Waco.

02:53:25.000 ATF was in the process of being disbanded.

02:53:30.000 They had already started to draw down the office here in the city.

02:53:33.000 Approximately a year before the bombing... Well, you say FBI, BATF.

02:53:37.000 They were certainly involved, but no, they had Arabs that were CIA that did it. 0.68

02:53:41.000 Well, I'm not saying that they personally did it hands-on, but I know the bombing survivors, a group of the bombing survivors... Oh, believe me, sir, I've made two films about it.

02:53:51.000 We've still... ...hired attorneys to try to sue the government, but at the last minute, the attorneys always back out.

02:54:00.000 So the information is circulating here.

02:54:02.000 Apparently someone is harassing their attorneys.

02:54:07.000 So how many Oklahomans, let me ask Holland that, and let me ask you that respectively, Ron.

02:54:12.000 What percentage of Oklahomans that you talk to know Oklahoma is a cover-up, Holland?

02:54:18.000 What percentage?

02:54:19.000 Well, it depends on how old they are.

02:54:20.000 I mean, the young kids, the 18-year-old college kids, I mean, they were eight years, but people who were in Oklahoma City who were adults, I would say 80% know at least something was fishy about it.

02:54:34.000 They may not go all the way.

02:54:36.000 Most of them won't because they cannot deal with that fact psychologically.

02:54:40.000 But I would say 80% of the people in Oklahoma City know that, That something was fishy with that.

02:54:46.000 I mean, the vast majority of people, even just bringing it up in conversation, they know that someone is lying.

02:54:51.000 They know they have a suspicion that John Doe No.

02:54:54.000 2 was involved, that he wasn't some fictitious Where's Waldo character.

02:54:58.000 Ron, give us your take.

02:55:00.000 Alex, the attitude is shifting dramatically.

02:55:04.000 At first, everybody said I was a lunatic because I said there was something wrong with the bombing.

02:55:09.000 I called it the Reichstag bombing.

02:55:12.000 We were constantly bombarded by propaganda, 24 hours a day.

02:55:16.000 They never shut up.

02:55:18.000 Reminded me of Joseph Goebbels.

02:55:19.000 I knew there was something wrong, along with the other things that I saw.

02:55:22.000 Everybody said I was crazy.

02:55:24.000 Oh, no, no.

02:55:25.000 The FBI did a thorough investigation.

02:55:29.000 But now the mood is shifting.

02:55:31.000 And people are becoming more aware, even though our media here is so controlled, Alex.

02:55:37.000 We don't hear anything.

02:55:39.000 I know, Oklahoma's bad.

02:55:41.000 It's terrible. 0.99

02:55:42.000 I mean, it is a black hole.

02:55:44.000 And anyone who speaks out is harassed.

02:55:47.000 You know, I've told you that.

02:55:48.000 Well, it's like Arkansas.

02:55:49.000 You've got these old backwater states.

02:55:51.000 Beautiful states.

02:55:52.000 I love Oklahoma.

02:55:53.000 Great people.

02:55:54.000 I love Arkansas.

02:55:56.000 But you've got good old boy Boss Hogs. 1.00

02:55:58.000 That fit into the network quite nicely.

02:56:01.000 Holland, I want to thank you for joining us.

02:56:03.000 Folks can read your detailed article at InfoWars.com.

02:56:05.000 And Ron, I want to thank you for the call.

02:56:07.000 Holland, we'll be talking to you again in the future.

02:56:09.000 Anything else you put together, please send it to us.

02:56:12.000 Outstanding.

02:56:12.000 I look forward to it, Alex.

02:56:13.000 Thank you.

02:56:14.000 You've done a really good job here.

02:56:15.000 You've knocked a long home run here out of the park.

02:56:19.000 All right.

02:56:19.000 We'll come right back and take more calls and then have another guest coming up.

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