Alex Jones Show - 20061103_Fri_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

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00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:14.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Well, I have the...

00:00:33.000 Wikipedia bio here.

00:00:35.000 I also have several other bios, literary bios of Gore Vidal.

00:00:38.000 If I tried to cover all of this, it would take several hours.

00:00:43.000 But he is one of the only living literary legends, right up there with the great folks like Kurt Vonnegut, who is on board with what we do here.

00:00:53.000 And we are so honored to have Gore Vidal with us.

00:00:56.000 I spent a lot of time last week and this weekend and showed him my crew.

00:01:00.000 Well, very happy to be there.

00:01:01.000 he's done, things he's talked about, things he's covered.

00:01:04.000 And I've noticed the media always tries to steer him away when he really starts banging the drum and exposing what's happening.

00:01:10.000 That won't happen here today.

00:01:12.000 We're going to talk about the police state unfolding, talk about 9/11, talk about the empire, where we're going as a society, as slaves in the empire.

00:01:21.000 Gore Vidal, thank you for joining us, sir.

00:01:23.000 Gore Vidal: Well, very happy to be there and looking forward to actually being in Austin fairly soon for the first time.

00:01:31.000 That's right.

00:01:31.000 Well, we're on all over the country, but our home base is Austin, and I certainly look forward to coming out and maybe getting a 10-minute interview with you for my local TV show, but tell us why you're going to be in Austin and what your latest work is.

00:01:44.000 Well, I was invited.

00:01:45.000 There's some sort of a festival going on, I think.

00:01:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:50.000 In Austin, and I have a new book of essays, of memoirs.

00:01:59.000 Oh, point-to-point navigation covers the last 4,000 years of my life.

00:02:05.000 Or maybe it's just 40 years.

00:02:07.000 Seems like 4,000.

00:02:09.000 And I will be chatting about whatever people want to chat about.

00:02:13.000 And I'm very curious.

00:02:14.000 There's a wonderful writer that I knew quite well from Austin.

00:02:19.000 Lived in Austin, anyway.

00:02:20.000 Bill Grammer.

00:02:22.000 He still remembered?

00:02:24.000 Yes, he is.

00:02:25.000 He wrote a book called The Gay Place.

00:02:27.000 about the state legislature, the guys in it and their problems.

00:02:35.000 The governor of the state, who's very close, Lyndon B. Johnson's character, wildly funny, one of the best political novels ever written.

00:02:45.000 It's better known to America wherever they are.

00:02:49.000 Well, in fact, I don't have the printout in front of me, but I'll get it during the break.

00:02:52.000 It's the big Texas book festival.

00:02:53.000 It's huge, and you're going to be there.

00:02:56.000 and so we'll tell folks about that coming up after this break.

00:03:01.000 These days, I just want to get a gauge of where you're at, sir.

00:03:05.000 What are you thinking about most these days, Gore Vidal?

00:03:09.000 Well, I'm thinking most about the coup d'etat post-9-11, in which we lost the Republic, and I find that disturbing.

00:03:21.000 So the only way that I could do something about it I've been stumping all over the state of California for Democratic candidates for Congress and I've gone further afield around the country and pointing out some of the dangers and some of the contradictions of the junta that currently rules us and beginning to feel that a tide is changing

00:03:52.000 The first twinge of optimism that I've had in some time.

00:03:56.000 That is what I'm doing.

00:03:58.000 Well, you're right.

00:03:58.000 The tide is turning.

00:04:00.000 The problem is people like Nancy Pelosi are going to try to co-opt it and ensure that revolution doesn't have teeth. 1.00

00:04:07.000 She was on 60 Minutes last night promising she's going to shield George Bush from impeachment. 0.69

00:04:13.000 That's a mistake, of course.

00:04:15.000 And she can't stop it.

00:04:19.000 Once it starts, once the The Democrats have organized the House.

00:04:25.000 Even though she may be the Speaker of the House, she could be overruled.

00:04:31.000 The Judiciary Committee has got good people on it, like John Conyers.

00:04:36.000 And if the Senate also goes, then you'll have Ley and really good people on the other side.

00:04:43.000 Gore Vidal, stay there, sir.

00:04:44.000 We've got a break.

00:04:44.000 Long segment coming up.

00:04:45.000 Plenty of time to talk.

00:04:48.000 The death of the Republic.

00:04:49.000 It's happened.

00:04:49.000 It's on the gurney.

00:04:51.000 And we can try to get out the defibrillators and try to shock the heart back into motion.

00:04:56.000 Will we do that?

00:04:57.000 We'll be right back with Gore Vidal.

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00:07:59.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk.

00:08:04.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:08.000 Looking at my call board here, I know we have calls from as far away as Australia, Canada.

00:08:15.000 And we're going to take calls the last 15, 20 minutes or so in this interview with Gore Vidal.

00:08:21.000 But, specifically, it needs to be a question for Gore Vidal.

00:08:27.000 Again, we don't screen calls here, but I ask the listeners when we have a special guest to try to keep it on the topics that we've been discussing.

00:08:34.000 The toll-free number to join us is 800-259-9231.

00:08:38.000 But he is really a historian and written incredible historical novels.

00:08:42.000 He, of course, has won so many laurels and awards that I can't even begin to try to go through them all.

00:08:49.000 If you'd like to read several different bios on this incredibly well-traveled individual, this great mind, I've read several of his novels.

00:08:58.000 I'm a big fan, and so are my parents.

00:09:00.000 I'll wait until they hear that we interviewed him.

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00:09:07.000 For stations that just joined us, we were talking to Gore Vidal, the author, during the last segment, and he brought up The Death of the Republic.

00:09:15.000 And it's not just Gore Vidal saying that now.

00:09:17.000 He's been saying that for five years.

00:09:19.000 Now it's Keith Uberman.

00:09:20.000 Now it's Lou Dobbs.

00:09:21.000 Now it's almost every constitutional law scholar.

00:09:25.000 They're putting into law things that Hitler didn't even get put on paper.

00:09:30.000 He just did it.

00:09:31.000 And we're going to be talking to Gore Vidal about that today.

00:09:35.000 Gore Vidal, again, thank you so much for joining us, sir.

00:09:37.000 Speaking about the death of the Republic, from your unique perspective, historically, why do you say the Republic is dead?

00:09:44.000 Well, you know, I lived through... This is California's finest that you hear.

00:09:54.000 I lived through most of the 20th century.

00:09:57.000 I was brought up in Washington, D.C., in my grandfather's house, and he was a blind man, but he put together something called the State of Oklahoma.

00:10:12.000 And was elected their first senator in 1907 and served till 37.

00:10:18.000 And the Constitution and our Republic was very much on his mind.

00:10:24.000 He used to say to me, just as a kid growing up, he knew I was going to be political in some way.

00:10:31.000 He always said, remember that the only phrase that matters in all of our great public papers is due process of law.

00:10:41.000 I mean, that was tattooed on my brain, and it's still there.

00:10:47.000 And when we lost habeas corpus in a recent paper by Mr. Gonzalez and his masters, I thought, wow!

00:10:57.000 I didn't think I would live so long to see that one go.

00:11:00.000 Because that's Magna Carta.

00:11:02.000 That takes us back to the 10th or 11th century.

00:11:06.000 1215, yeah.

00:11:08.000 Indeed it does.

00:11:10.000 Spirit of Runnymede runs no longer in our Republic and a number of things were very disturbing.

00:11:20.000 One was the two stolen elections of the year 2000-2004.

00:11:27.000 There's some disagreements on to what extent, who did it and so on, but electronic balloting machinery seems to have been responsible for a great deal of the theft.

00:11:38.000 That took place, first in Florida in 2000, then in Ohio in 2004.

00:11:45.000 Now, when I really took alarm, I've always hated the New York Times for many, many good reasons.

00:11:53.000 Because it covers up so much that it ought to be.

00:11:56.000 But then poses as if it's, you know, the trusted name.

00:12:00.000 I would call it fake liberal.

00:12:02.000 Fake liberal, whatever it is, it's fake.

00:12:05.000 And the paper of record, I mean, it's no such thing.

00:12:09.000 Example.

00:12:11.000 You know, this really was an alarm bell in my head.

00:12:18.000 Apropos the election of 2004, a first-rate congressman called John Conyers, who is the ranking Democrat of the Judiciary Committee in the House and will be head of the committee should the Democrats come back, He went up with a pretty big crew of investigators to Ohio to investigate the Secretary of State there, who was up to all sorts of mischief, a man called Blackwell, who's now running for governor.

00:12:46.000 And there was a lot of work done on who had stolen what election, who had made it impossible for certain minorities to vote by saying that they had the same names as Elon, and so forth, all the usual negative nonsense.

00:13:03.000 So, Conyers came out with a report on it, which was a small book.

00:13:10.000 To be helpful, I said I would write a preface to it, get a publisher in Chicago, where it was duly published.

00:13:18.000 Now, here it is all, there it is right in front of you, who was where when, at what polling booth, and how the vote was reversed, how many Diebold machines were used, how many Sequoia, and so forth.

00:13:33.000 Then I thought, well, thank God, at last we've got it done.

00:13:36.000 Now we know.

00:13:37.000 Otherwise, it's just, you know, hearsay.

00:13:40.000 And suddenly, I realized, the publisher had sent it off to the New York Times.

00:13:46.000 They refused to review it.

00:13:48.000 No, this is from a distinguished member of Congress, from the Judiciary Committee.

00:13:53.000 And let's be clear, and again we're talking to Gore Vidal, the famous author and researcher, they didn't just review it and try to poke holes in it, which they knew they couldn't, they just refused to review it.

00:14:05.000 They refused ever to mention it.

00:14:08.000 As did the Washington Post.

00:14:11.000 As did, I think, the Wall Street Journal.

00:14:14.000 The only paper any of us has ever heard of that reviewed it was the Boston Globe.

00:14:20.000 And I thought, really, if the principal newspapers of the country refuse to take notice of the fact that a presidential election has been twice stolen, and an imposter is pretending to be president, and guiding us straight into wars, which benefit his cronies, and companies like Halliburton, then we've had it.

00:14:47.000 There is no republic.

00:14:48.000 And we have no redress.

00:14:51.000 The judiciary has been corrupted.

00:14:53.000 The Congress has been pretty hopeless for some time.

00:14:57.000 And what horrifies me most is that there's never any indication of, okay, 90% bad, 10% good is still happening, It's every signpost as we're going into authoritarian, despotic fascism.

00:15:11.000 Every signpost screams Stalinistic, Hitlerian, Maoist.

00:15:16.000 Every signpost shows hyper-tyranny.

00:15:19.000 Do you agree with that analysis?

00:15:21.000 Well, it's not an analysis, but it's a statement.

00:15:24.000 Yes, I do, pretty much.

00:15:27.000 We have, you said earlier in the program, the things that Hitler never got down to actually writing up as proclamations and so on, but this did anyway. 0.95

00:15:39.000 These people are now trying to give a gloss of legality to Mr. Gonzales, who is, you know, to me, every time I see him, he's a reincarnation of Truman Capote, and he's just only talking about how quaint Geneva Accords are.

00:15:57.000 They have no idea of cause and effect.

00:15:59.000 If we don't sign them, this is how you treat your prisoners that you take in a war. 0.68

00:16:05.000 And we reserve the right to put them in terrible prisons, torture them to death sometimes. 0.98

00:16:12.000 It never occurs to these fools that that will be done to American soldiers. 0.98

00:16:18.000 I spent three years in World War II, and many terrible things went on in the Pacific. 0.97

00:16:24.000 Some for which Americans were responsible and some for which Japanese were responsible.

00:16:29.000 But everybody was trying to hold the fort on legalized torture, which certainly was not on offer.

00:16:38.000 It was certainly never certified from the highest levels.

00:16:42.000 Where do you see it going in the future? 0.99

00:16:43.000 Because Bush is a cornered rat, though he is a titan of a rat. 0.98

00:16:49.000 He's extremely powerful still, but I see him being cornered now. 0.99

00:16:55.000 We're in a catch-22.

00:16:56.000 If we don't fight these fascists, then they will expand their power.

00:17:00.000 If we do corner them, then they will still launch us into even bigger crises to try to cover their tracks.

00:17:06.000 What do you see happening in the future?

00:17:10.000 Our greatest difficulty at the moment is that the media is totally corrupted.

00:17:16.000 Starting with the New York Times, the media belongs to our rulers.

00:17:23.000 So in the old days, when something ghastly would go wrong, you could count on journalists writing about it.

00:17:31.000 TV, when TV was invented, radio.

00:17:35.000 There's nothing there.

00:17:36.000 There are no voices expressing Disagreement.

00:17:41.000 Much less saying, every time you say, I'm wartime president, I'm wartime president, just say, well, you're not a wartime president.

00:17:48.000 You have to have a country for a war, and you cannot have a war unless declared by Congress, which they will not do, as subservient as they are.

00:17:58.000 So, why he isn't shut up on that issue, I don't What do you see in your crystal ball from your 40 plus years of research and watching politics?

00:18:09.000 What does Gore Vidal see in the next two years?

00:18:13.000 I see the bankruptcy of the United States of America.

00:18:17.000 Follow the money.

00:18:19.000 The amount of money that they have stiphened off of our treasury for overrun and for mismanagement by Halliburton and friends.

00:18:30.000 We don't have that much money.

00:18:32.000 We are getting more and more broke.

00:18:35.000 I don't know if you noticed that two weeks ago, the Army was asking for a little more money to buy some, I suppose, to buy bullets.

00:18:45.000 They were running out.

00:18:47.000 All the money has gone to big companies for high-tech stuff.

00:18:51.000 Which we don't need for the 22nd century, maybe.

00:18:55.000 It all goes into white elephants that aren't even for the real war-making capacity. 0.79

00:19:00.000 It's all gone to $15 million blue tarps that Halliburton calls permanent structures.

00:19:06.000 Indeed, yes.

00:19:07.000 And what do we need a permanent structure for in Iraq unless we're going to make a colony out of it? 0.97

00:19:13.000 And the Iraqis have already proved that they don't really enjoy our presence. 1.00

00:19:17.000 Well, you hit on something key, uh, integral, and that's that, uh, the last Fed Chairman doubled the money supply in six years.

00:19:23.000 Bernanke says he's gonna double it in the next two.

00:19:26.000 I see it spiraling into hyperinflation.

00:19:30.000 Well, it's already begun.

00:19:31.000 I just read a story that, uh, in the L.A.

00:19:35.000 Times, that, um, the $40 entree is now here for restaurants.

00:19:42.000 Well, people who go to first-rate restaurants know they're gonna pay a lot of money, but These were for what they thought of as run-of-the-mill, ordinary restaurants.

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00:24:25.000 I'm Alex Jones, blasting out worldwide on the MNFM dial, shortwave, satellite, and infowars.com, prisonplanet.com.

00:24:35.000 Gore Vidal, I mean, again, his bio is so lengthy and everything he's been involved in, the things he's witnessed, the books he's written, the awards he's gotten, Just, if you don't know who Gore Vidal is, or only heard the name in passing, go to Infowars.com, read his bio.

00:24:49.000 Right now, I don't want to burn our time up doing that though, so spend some time and check out the new book he's got out as well.

00:24:56.000 Gore Vidal, Foundations, you know, Hitler used crises he created as a pretext to gain control. 0.90

00:25:03.000 We know that the Roman Emperors loved to do this, problem-reaction solution, the Hegelian dialectic We know that there is false flag terror.

00:25:11.000 Our government admits it staged terror attacks in 1953 to overthrow Iran.

00:25:14.000 They claimed our ships were attacked to expand the Vietnam War in 1964.

00:25:18.000 That's now been totally declassified.

00:25:20.000 There are countless examples of this.

00:25:23.000 9-11, and I've got a lot of the I'm bugging back.

00:25:25.000 interviews you've done here.

00:25:26.000 I've got some of the quotes and things you've said, and I've noticed a lot of these transcripts that you get steered out of it.

00:25:31.000 You've got the floor, sir.

00:25:33.000 9-11 is a foundational event.

00:25:35.000 The questions you've got, obviously, I clearly know it's an inside job, but I'd like to get your take on it.

00:25:40.000 Okay, but let's get the sound level right.

00:25:44.000 How's my voice?

00:25:46.000 Good, sir.

00:25:47.000 I had bugged Mr. Vidal during the break to speak up.

00:25:49.000 You sound wonderful.

00:25:50.000 I'm bugging back.

00:25:52.000 Yes.

00:25:52.000 Okay.

00:25:54.000 9-11 was, first of all, I don't go along with those people who think that the Bushites did it.

00:26:01.000 Yeah.

00:26:02.000 And, demonstrably, they didn't, because 9-11 was a brilliantly executed act of terrorism, and they are not capable of anything brilliant.

00:26:12.000 So they couldn't have done it.

00:26:14.000 But, they were ready to take advantage of it.

00:26:17.000 And all the information that was coming in, Putin in Russia warned us.

00:26:23.000 Mubarak, in Egypt, warned us.

00:26:26.000 Assad warned us.

00:26:28.000 All kinds of people were warning us that we were going to have unpleasant visitors to our skies.

00:26:36.000 Did they pay any attention?

00:26:37.000 No, they did not.

00:26:39.000 They now pretend, oh, we didn't know about it.

00:26:41.000 Oh, we didn't know.

00:26:42.000 Oh, well, that wasn't accurate.

00:26:45.000 Well, they'll go on dithering, but they knew something was going to happen, and they were ready.

00:26:52.000 Which means that they knew it would be expensive, whatever it was.

00:26:58.000 Did they know that buildings in New York were going to be blown up?

00:27:01.000 No, I don't suppose they did.

00:27:03.000 Well, Mr. Vidal, let me get down to brass taxes, and I'll dig through here and get some of the quotes that you've reportedly said, and I'm going to actually listen to some of these interviews.

00:27:12.000 You bring up the fact that the head of Pakistani intelligence wired $100,000 as a supposed lead hijacker.

00:27:18.000 Well, Pakistan's known to be basically an MI6-CIA front.

00:27:23.000 You talk about how we had U.S.

00:27:24.000 troops mass there around Afghanistan in the months before.

00:27:28.000 Bush had a launch order on his desk to attack.

00:27:30.000 I mean, how do they have all that specifically ready?

00:27:32.000 I mean, in the quotes I've seen here from you, it looks like you're pointing towards, I mean, I guess, let it happen on purpose instead of made it happen on purpose?

00:27:40.000 Or what are you saying?

00:27:41.000 I think let it happen on purpose.

00:27:45.000 There is no proof of this.

00:27:48.000 There are moments when you go by opinions, and moments when you go by the facts.

00:27:52.000 It is quite true that the head of the Pakistani Secret Service, he was in Washington meeting with Mr. Tenet, whatever his name was, the head of the CIA, at an ordinary bureaucratic meeting.

00:28:10.000 And while they were there, suddenly the head of the IS something or other, they call it, the Pakistani... Mahmood Ahmad ISI.

00:28:20.000 That's it.

00:28:24.000 He cables one of his people in Islamabad, where their headquarters is, to send a hundred thousand dollars, wire it, to Mohammed Atta, who is somewhere in the Midwest, and who is the principal, who is the chief, of the gang that bombed New York, the Pentagon and so on. 0.54

00:28:46.000 That has never been followed up on.

00:28:48.000 I found that in the Times of India, generally a pretty reliable paper, the Wall Street Journal even repeated the story about the time right after 9-11 saying that a warning had come.

00:29:03.000 And the 9-11 Commission said they're not interested in the money.

00:29:06.000 But I mean, how could he, the week before the attacks, wire this money when he's meeting at the White House, he's meeting at the House and Senate's Intelligence Committee Chairman on the morning of 9-11, meeting with Goss and Senator Graham, Bob Graham of Florida.

00:29:18.000 They're all meeting there, and there's this $100,000 payment, you know, right before this happens.

00:29:23.000 Quick break, we're going to come back and talk.

00:29:25.000 More about this with our guest, Gore Vidal.

00:29:29.000 Sorry about all these breaks, sir.

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00:32:59.000 George Vidal is our guest.

00:33:24.000 Check out his incredible bio.

00:33:27.000 Literary legend joining us right now.

00:33:29.000 A great historian.

00:33:31.000 And Mr. Vidal, I've got to be honest with you.

00:33:33.000 Going from the transcripts of what I've read of what you've said on other radio shows and in print interviews and even overseas, You have, what you basically said earlier, let it happen on purpose.

00:33:46.000 Then I look at Al-Qaeda, the fact that Brzezinski brags that in 1979 he founded it.

00:33:52.000 They used him to attack the Serbs in 1999.

00:33:55.000 Senate report, Alfonso Amado chairman.

00:33:58.000 We know that these groups get financed.

00:34:00.000 We know they build up these enemies.

00:34:04.000 When you look at the fact that they're abolishing the Bill of Rights, it has nothing to do with terrorism.

00:34:09.000 When we look at the fact that they're setting up this police state.

00:34:11.000 Bush has said it's a hundred year war.

00:34:13.000 Cheney said it's going to last two generations.

00:34:16.000 I guess that's the conservative estimate. 0.66

00:34:18.000 I mean, so you think that they're so inept though that they would just let it happen instead of make it happen? 0.68

00:34:27.000 I think they certainly took advantage of it. 0.95

00:34:30.000 They were ready.

00:34:31.000 And if you remember, at the time of Timothy McVeigh and what happened in Oklahoma City, immediately the Justice Department came up with a very draconian set of laws for us to live by.

00:34:46.000 The Omnibus Crime Bill.

00:34:48.000 Yes, the Omnibus Crime Bill.

00:34:50.000 And that was, alas, on Clinton's watch.

00:34:54.000 They never got a chance to put it through because the McVeigh thing didn't turn into a great national Uh, revulsion.

00:35:04.000 And you corresponded, you corresponded more than anyone else, uh, in the press, according to the press reports I've seen, or is that accurate, with McVeigh?

00:35:12.000 Yes, I did.

00:35:14.000 And he was somebody deeply concerned, I'm not saying that I approve of what he did, blowing up a building, and killing a lot of innocent people, but simultaneously, he was a hero in the Gulf War, he got the Bronze Star, Army was eager to get him back in, And he's somebody who cared about the Constitution.

00:35:34.000 He was a rather learned young man.

00:35:38.000 And he wrote a number of pieces that were printed in newspapers at the time of his arrest.

00:35:43.000 There was a conspiracy back at him, and he was not going to sell out his fellow conspirators.

00:35:51.000 So suddenly he's condemned to death, and he decides... He wrote this to me.

00:35:58.000 He said, I have a choice now.

00:36:00.000 He said, between Talking.

00:36:04.000 Or, uh, spending my life in a cement box.

00:36:10.000 Or, best of all, federally assisted suicide.

00:36:15.000 And he said, I'm taking suicide.

00:36:17.000 Did you ever talk to Jolion West, his doctor?

00:36:20.000 No.

00:36:20.000 What'd he say?

00:36:22.000 Oh, just Jolion West was one of the psychiatrists assigned to McVeigh.

00:36:26.000 Well, I've read his report on McVeigh, which is, you know, he's perfectly sane and very intelligent.

00:36:32.000 Gore Vidal, let me ask you a question here.

00:36:36.000 Corresponding with McVeigh, now he was videotaped.

00:36:40.000 The FBI admits they've seen the tapes.

00:36:41.000 I've talked to police that have seen it.

00:36:43.000 What about John Doe No.

00:36:44.000 2?

00:36:44.000 Have you ever seen anything about that Iraqi gentleman?

00:36:48.000 No, I've read about him.

00:36:50.000 He keeps popping up, you know, in all the material on this event.

00:36:55.000 And there were a couple of other Iraqis in town.

00:36:58.000 Oklahoma City is seeming a strange place for them to foregather.

00:37:02.000 Yeah, they got taken into custody later, and they were ordered to be released by the Justice Department.

00:37:05.000 Were you aware of that?

00:37:06.000 No.

00:37:07.000 I wonder why that would happen?

00:37:10.000 Well, it was, uh... It certainly was a good rehearsal for what was coming, and my point I was about to make was that, uh, once this, uh, omnibus crime thing existed in the Justice Department, now we have A new Attorney General and so on.

00:37:31.000 It was put into effect.

00:37:33.000 It is the U.S.A.

00:37:34.000 Patriot Act.

00:37:36.000 It is the child of Clinton's immediate hysterical, I think, response to what had happened in Oklahoma City.

00:37:45.000 And if H.R.

00:37:46.000 3162 is the son of the omnibus crime bill, what is H.R.

00:37:50.000 6133, the Military Commissions Act?

00:37:57.000 That's the invasion of Poland. 0.91

00:38:00.000 Oh, I agree with you there.

00:38:01.000 In fact, that's how my new film, Terror Storm, opens, is with Hitler. 0.81

00:38:04.000 You know, Hitler staged that attack on his own military base outside Glywoods to kick off the war. 0.72

00:38:10.000 That's now conclusively admitted to from the Nazi documents.

00:38:13.000 I mean, if Hitler could stage attacks on himself, why couldn't George Bush? 0.57

00:38:17.000 Because he had to finish breeding my pet goat.

00:38:23.000 This is very difficult for him to read.

00:38:26.000 Well, you know, folks say that George Bush can't fight his way out of a paper bag, and that Rove and his handlers are buffoons, but I read an Israeli plan from 1983, and I read a 2002 Pentagon plan, which I can send to you if you haven't seen them.

00:38:38.000 I know you're very informed yourself, where they said they wanted to break the country in three parts, have it in a sectarian war.

00:38:44.000 Now, I think they were planning to cook a turkey.

00:38:46.000 They may have overcooked it, where it's imploding.

00:38:48.000 Oh yeah, but I don't think the brain is his.

00:38:49.000 I think it's Karl Rove.

00:38:50.000 I listened to him yesterday on television.

00:38:51.000 was their plan I see that as genius I see Bush as an aspiring dictator showing great acumen but but you don't agree with that oh yeah but I don't think the brain is his I think it's Karl Rose I listened to him yesterday on television he's up in Buffalo I think and it's very very clever and very mischievous I mean, this is a thoroughly bad man.

00:39:20.000 And quite interesting.

00:39:21.000 He was exciting the fears of everybody in the audience about everything.

00:39:26.000 They've got a mantra now, which is totally incredible.

00:39:30.000 If we don't fight them over there, we'll have to fight them over here.

00:39:35.000 Well, how the hell are they going to get here?

00:39:37.000 And to what end?

00:39:39.000 I mean, these are questions that you could shut these people up if there was an immediate attack, or if there was a Congress which was capable of oversight.

00:39:48.000 Well, the Army's own report in the National Intelligence Assessment, unanimously, if you believe in the real terrorism paradigm, shows that this has increased the threat of terrorism two-fold.

00:40:00.000 I should think even more than that.

00:40:01.000 I mean, we've turned... There are one billion Muslims on Earth, and there are 300 billion of us.

00:40:07.000 We are outnumbered.

00:40:09.000 And the money is also on their side, too.

00:40:11.000 We don't have it anymore.

00:40:13.000 But, sir, Gore Vidal, that's the neocon plan, is to P-2-O-G, the Pentagon Plan 2003, to, quote, stir up and elicit terror attacks, again creating the tension as a pretext to widen the war.

00:40:30.000 Well, I don't disagree with that.

00:40:32.000 I have no evidence of it, but it's certainly... That is what is happening, let us put it this way.

00:40:38.000 So if it is happening, it must have a parent of some kind.

00:40:42.000 Well, I agree.

00:40:43.000 Back to 9-11, sir.

00:40:44.000 Again, you're gracious to join us in a moment.

00:40:46.000 In fact, I'll just do that right now.

00:40:49.000 Coming up is going to be the Texas Book Festival.

00:40:55.000 We have a link to this up on InfoWars.com.

00:40:58.000 Gore Vidal is the top featured speaker after Barack Obama.

00:41:04.000 Obama, The Audacity of Hope, and Gore Vidal will be the featured author of the literary gala at the 2006 festival.

00:41:12.000 He will be in conversation with Maureen Dowd on Sunday, October 29th from 2 to 3 p.m.

00:41:17.000 at the Paramount Theater, free to the public.

00:41:20.000 Texas Monthly editor Evan Smith will also moderate, and I hope to get 10 minutes with Mr. Vidal for the local television show.

00:41:27.000 It would be gracious of him to do that.

00:41:29.000 I respect your research of history.

00:41:31.000 I respect What you're saying, I mean, you're spot on about the tyranny, you were spot on day one about 9-11.

00:41:38.000 Let me bring you back to this.

00:41:39.000 Do you remember a few weeks after 9-11 you were on CNN?

00:41:43.000 I guess it was a few months.

00:41:45.000 I tried to find the clip, but I saw it, one of my staff saw it, one of my crew witnessed it.

00:41:49.000 And you're on there and you said, I just want to thank CNN.

00:41:52.000 This has been the first time in months I've been allowed to go on a TV show without military intelligence stomping around in the background.

00:41:59.000 Was that a joke, tongue-in-cheek, or did that really happen?

00:42:02.000 That really happens.

00:42:04.000 Happens quite often.

00:42:05.000 Oh, please, tell us about it, sir.

00:42:07.000 Well, I was on with... What is that guy?

00:42:10.000 Charles something.

00:42:11.000 He's got a morning show on CBS.

00:42:15.000 Yes.

00:42:16.000 Huh?

00:42:17.000 Yes.

00:42:19.000 I have blanked out his name.

00:42:21.000 Well, it's fine.

00:42:22.000 It'll pop in your head in a minute.

00:42:23.000 You were on CBS morning show.

00:42:24.000 Go ahead.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 And it was at the time of Timothy McVeigh's event in Oklahoma City.

00:42:33.000 And I was in Italy, and they'd sent a crew over, a crew came down from London, for TV, to be on the morning show, and so on, and Mr. Gibson, I think he's called, Charles something, and I start to go into the background of why Timothy McVeigh did what he did, and he had declared war on the federal government, because of what had happened at Waco, and they had

00:43:01.000 Gone out of their way to destroy a bunch of religious nuts who were all living in a compound with Mr. Koresh. 0.92

00:43:09.000 They killed men, women, and children. 0.94

00:43:11.000 And they could have grabbed him any day, jogged him to town.

00:43:13.000 Oh, they could have done it.

00:43:14.000 So many things.

00:43:15.000 And also, they did the totally illegal.

00:43:19.000 They used the U.S. 1.00

00:43:20.000 Army and its weaponry to incinerate these innocent people. 0.66

00:43:26.000 And that's, you know, The Posse Comitatus Act of 1875 says you may not use the American Army against American people, no matter how much order you think you should be keeping.

00:43:38.000 And they did that, which broke the law.

00:43:41.000 McVeigh, who was momentarily out of the Army, where he had been much decorated in the Gulf War, became absolutely furious. 0.87

00:43:52.000 He saw that everything he cared about, he knew about the Constitution, This was not just another dumb kid with a pianist on him.

00:44:01.000 He was a very bright man. 0.99

00:44:03.000 And suddenly, he just went ape.

00:44:06.000 And he said, OK, if you're going to do that to these innocent people, he didn't know any of them.

00:44:10.000 But out of a sense of justice, which few Americans have, he decided, OK, I'll get back at them.

00:44:17.000 And I'll blow up the federal building.

00:44:19.000 But you're on this TV show, you're saying this, what happens?

00:44:21.000 I'm saying this, but I'm giving you what I'm saying.

00:44:24.000 Now, in the middle of saying it, The sound man, a guy from England, said they'd pull the plug on you.

00:44:33.000 I said, no, something's gone wrong with the machinery or something.

00:44:37.000 He said, no, and I've been talking, Mr. Gibson was trying, had contradicted me about Waco.

00:44:43.000 The government had done nothing wrong at Waco.

00:44:46.000 Well, everybody knew that they had.

00:44:49.000 And I said, well, everybody knows.

00:44:51.000 You can find out about it here.

00:44:53.000 You can find out about it there.

00:44:54.000 In the middle of that, The sound, the audio was unplugged and I'm talking into air.

00:45:02.000 Now I know how these things are done.

00:45:04.000 I've been on television for 50 years now.

00:45:08.000 I know how programs work and I also know how censorship works.

00:45:11.000 And if they were going to just get rid of you, they'd say, thank you, we're out of time, we're going to commercial.

00:45:15.000 You said military intelligence, and now we know that major media does have spooks in it.

00:45:21.000 Now CENTCOM admits they're planting fake news stories.

00:45:25.000 Bush has spent $1.6 billion the last two years on illegal fake news, buying reporters.

00:45:30.000 Specifically though, what do you know about the cases you've dealt with?

00:45:34.000 I can't point a finger at who the spook was, or from what department he came.

00:45:40.000 I know that voices that they don't want to hear, instead of saying, as you suggest, you know, or using my favorite word on CNN, briefly, says Wolf, uh, Mr. Vidal, what is the meaning of life?

00:45:57.000 Oh, I'm sorry, we're out of time.

00:45:59.000 Well, we'll get back to that.

00:46:01.000 Which they do on purpose.

00:46:02.000 You can see somebody come on for 30 seconds, a minute.

00:46:04.000 This happened to me.

00:46:05.000 You said the wrong thing.

00:46:06.000 Boom! 0.99

00:46:07.000 Okay, now we're going to this film clip of something else.

00:46:10.000 And they hit the ejection button.

00:46:13.000 Oh yeah.

00:46:15.000 We are heavily censored, let us put it simply in one sentence.

00:46:19.000 But how is the elite, you talk about our overlords, how are they going to deal with the fact that alternative websites telling the truth can pop up and be bigger than the Dallas Morning News website in a matter of months?

00:46:33.000 Yes, folks, it took us eight years to get bigger than the Dallas Morning News at PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com.

00:46:38.000 Now, 25-year-olds can start a website in three months, beat us, because they've got what people want to hear.

00:46:44.000 How is the establishment going to deal with that?

00:46:47.000 They'll find a way of wrecking it.

00:46:50.000 I don't know what the FCC is up to at the moment.

00:46:53.000 Well, you're right, sir.

00:46:54.000 That's what they're saying.

00:46:54.000 That's what they're now doing.

00:46:55.000 They're saying they're going to tax it, regulate it, shut it down.

00:46:58.000 Yes, of course.

00:46:59.000 They cannot have free speech in the United States.

00:47:03.000 Because free speech, ultimately, will define them, name them, and describe their crime.

00:47:11.000 And the decent opinion of mankind, as Thomas Jefferson would put it, will go into effect.

00:47:19.000 I am enough of an optimist to think that's true.

00:47:22.000 What about government-sponsored terror itself?

00:47:24.000 You're a historian.

00:47:25.000 I mean, I would imagine you certainly agree that governments do stage terror attacks against themselves to mobilize their population.

00:47:32.000 You know, waving the bloody shirt or agent provocateur.

00:47:35.000 There's different ways of doing it.

00:47:39.000 Can you comment on government-sponsored terror itself?

00:47:42.000 Well, we know quite a bit about it, thanks to Herman Goering, who did all that sort of thing for Hitler. 0.70

00:47:49.000 And at Nuremberg, he was being interviewed by a rather bright journalist.

00:47:55.000 They just got down and started to really chat.

00:47:58.000 The journalist said, how on earth this most civilized country in Europe was Germany before the Nazis took over?

00:48:06.000 How could you get those people to fight these terrible wars, do terrible things in concentration camps?

00:48:13.000 Goering said, well, it's very easy.

00:48:16.000 Obviously, no sane man is going to join an army and get himself killed, even for loot.

00:48:24.000 People are not like that.

00:48:26.000 But he said, if you frighten them sufficiently, the Red Bolsheviks are coming, the Russian hordes are coming, they're going to sweep the Germans into the sea, they're going to destroy it.

00:48:39.000 Unless we fight them now.

00:48:41.000 Well, if we don't fight them over there, we have to fight them over here.

00:48:45.000 Even that mantra has been learned by the little man in the White House.

00:48:52.000 So, Goering put it very neatly.

00:48:54.000 You frighten people.

00:48:56.000 The fright keeps going.

00:48:58.000 We'll see before the election on the coming Tuesday.

00:49:04.000 We'll suddenly see that we've gone from orange to red.

00:49:09.000 We're in terrible danger.

00:49:12.000 All sorts of things are up there in the sky, and they're going to take out every American city.

00:49:17.000 And Albania has now developed hydrogen weapons. 0.59

00:49:23.000 The lies just go on and on, and there are no truth squads.

00:49:28.000 Programs like this, stuff on the internet, can squeak through.

00:49:35.000 But the press itself is absolutely captive, because they're owned.

00:49:41.000 I mean, not the press, but television, I mean everything.

00:49:44.000 All information.

00:49:45.000 50 years ago you had over 200 companies, now there's 5 and they're all merging.

00:49:50.000 Indeed, yes.

00:49:51.000 I mean, it's locked up.

00:49:54.000 And money did it all.

00:49:56.000 Now, how did these individuals get so much money?

00:50:00.000 Well, they are tithed by, let's say, the Republican Party.

00:50:05.000 Okay, we gave you a huge tax break, so we saved Jones, uh, twenty million dollars a year for you.

00:50:12.000 So, we need a million or two for the coming election.

00:50:17.000 Mr. Jones coughs up.

00:50:20.000 So instead of paying taxes, which would benefit everybody in the country, uh, he only gives the money to the Republican Party so they can keep on playing the game.

00:50:29.000 Would you put it past Bush or his controllers to stage a terror attack as a way of smokescreening all their scandals?

00:50:41.000 Well, how desperate will they be before they do that?

00:50:46.000 Secondly, could they do that?

00:50:48.000 What Bush has done, I don't think he understands yet what he's done.

00:50:53.000 Well, stay there.

00:50:54.000 Let's get the final answer on the other side with Gore Vidal.

00:50:57.000 We'll also take a few phone calls.

00:50:59.000 Stay with us.

00:51:04.000 It's here!

00:51:05.000 After a year in production and traveling to distant lands, my new film Terror Storm is complete.

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00:54:01.000 Jeremy has never been in studio before.

00:54:13.000 He works here at the office, but he said he saw Gore Vidal on CNN years ago, right after 9-11, days after, really.

00:54:20.000 And Gore Vidal said something and he wanted, and I didn't want to pass it on, you know, what he said he'd seen.

00:54:25.000 I wanted to have him ask Gore Vidal the question.

00:54:27.000 We're going to take a few calls.

00:54:28.000 He's going to stay a little bit with us into the next hour.

00:54:30.000 Gracious to do that.

00:54:31.000 And we have links up on Infowars.com to his new book, Point to Point.

00:54:35.000 It's his memoir.

00:54:37.000 But finishing up that question that we ran into the break, Mr. Vidal, I mean, With all the other crimes of this administration and their overlords, do you believe that it is in their soul, do you believe they're capable of staging some type of war provocation, some type of terror attack, blowing up a ship, something like that?

00:54:57.000 Well, they certainly know how to cry wolf.

00:55:00.000 Wolf, wolf.

00:55:02.000 And I don't mean just Blitzer.

00:55:05.000 Simultaneously... I think what is going to happen pretty soon Let's say it was on their mind to stage an event.

00:55:17.000 I don't know how they can do it.

00:55:20.000 Luckily for us, we the people who are the sovereign, if they tell us.

00:55:25.000 Luckily for us, they've antagonized the entire military.

00:55:30.000 I don't think the military would let them.

00:55:32.000 This happened when Richard Nixon was going crazy and he was ordering out the troops and he's ordering this and that.

00:55:39.000 And Israel was in danger and Kissinger was sending all sorts of aid to them.

00:55:46.000 And something might have happened then.

00:55:48.000 But the military wasn't going to let it happen.

00:55:51.000 And remember, I was born in the cadet hospital at West Point.

00:55:56.000 My father was the first instructor in aviation there.

00:56:00.000 I know these military people.

00:56:02.000 I've grown up with them all my life.

00:56:05.000 And there is a point that they really do believe in duty, honor, country.

00:56:09.000 They have to wait a time before they get to the point, but it's in them.

00:56:14.000 Well, let me just say this.

00:56:15.000 I agree that in major polls, 80 plus percent do not trust either party right now.

00:56:21.000 It's never been that high in modern polling, modern scientific polling.

00:56:24.000 And so it is a catch-22.

00:56:25.000 They've got the power, they've got the control, but more and more, you know, the brain gives the orders and the hands won't follow.

00:56:32.000 But I see them, again, having to do something or the system's going to fall in on them.

00:56:37.000 Jeremy, you wanted to state something that you saw Mr. Vidal say years ago, just weeks after the attack of 9-11.

00:56:44.000 Can you repeat what you... because I wanted to get his take on this.

00:56:48.000 Sure.

00:56:48.000 Hi, Mr. Vidal.

00:56:50.000 I thought I'd seen you on a CNN news program saying that the official story seemed surreal after the event, and it seemed that you were taken off of that panel right after that.

00:57:00.000 In fact, you said he went on to say it just doesn't make sense that they could do it.

00:57:03.000 What was the exact quote you heard?

00:57:05.000 That it was surreal.

00:57:06.000 He said it several times, I believe.

00:57:07.000 And then you added something in there after that because you told me the story before.

00:57:10.000 He had just said that it seemed surreal, that the whole story didn't seem to make sense, basically, was the context of the story.

00:57:19.000 Mr. Vidal, do you remember that?

00:57:20.000 I'm just trying to get at this.

00:57:21.000 No, I don't, because what made no sense is that CNN wouldn't follow up on why the fighter planes had not been scrambled and gone up to stop the hijackers.

00:57:36.000 That's the law of the land.

00:57:38.000 You don't need the president to order you, you don't need a general.

00:57:42.000 Those are your instructions.

00:57:44.000 I know, my father wrote them.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, Jeremy's not...

00:57:48.000 No, I didn't.

00:57:49.000 You're right, Jeremy's nodding.

00:57:50.000 He's saying that's exactly what he saw, so now we understand.

00:57:53.000 Well, I mean, that is important because the default position is for fighters to be launched.

00:57:57.000 The default...

00:57:58.000 Did you know, sir, that for the first time since '57 when NORAD was set up, that Cheney took the powers two months before away from the generals to shoot down aircraft?

00:58:07.000 Did you know that?

00:58:08.000 No, I didn't.

00:58:09.000 We have the actual Pentagon order.

00:58:11.000 It's incredible.

00:58:11.000 What do you think of that?

00:58:12.000 Why has it not been published?

00:58:15.000 Well, it's on the Pentagon website.

00:58:17.000 I've got to send you some of my films during the break if it's okay.

00:58:17.000 You know what?

00:58:20.000 Well, actually, I think I have your address.

00:58:23.000 I'll send you some of my documentaries.

00:58:24.000 Jeremy, thanks for bringing up that because that brought up some key info for Mr. Vidal.

00:58:28.000 Final segment with Gore Vidal on the other side.

00:58:30.000 We'll take a few calls.

00:58:31.000 Everybody have your questions and comments ready.

00:58:34.000 This has just been an amazing interview.

00:58:35.000 It's conclusion when we return.

00:58:41.000 This broadcast is available on MP3 CD format at GCNLive.com or call toll-free 877-300-7645.

00:58:46.000 Hello!

00:58:46.000 Big Brother.

00:58:47.000 Mainstream media.

00:58:48.000 Government cover-ups.

00:58:51.000 Big Brother.

00:58:51.000 Hello.

00:58:58.000 Mainstream media.

00:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:01.000 You want answers?

00:59:03.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 When you just joined us, I was remaining composed in the last segment, but I was reeling with rage under the surface because I see the news articles where What happens is you homeschool your children, but when you sign that form, which isn't a law, but you sign a form letting them know you're homeschooling, that's handed over to CPS for harassment.

00:59:38.000 And this has been in the news.

00:59:40.000 But they say it's good.

00:59:41.000 And then they drop by and try to trick their way into your house saying that they want to see the learning environment.

00:59:48.000 Not even that they even got a message from a neighbor now.

00:59:50.000 It's not even that.

00:59:51.000 Or have you had your vaccines and now it's flu shots.

00:59:55.000 And right here in Austin, they get up on TV and lie and say it's the law to take shots.

00:59:58.000 There is no law.

01:00:00.000 They have giant things out at the park at Zilker where thousands of kids line up to get their shots.

01:00:05.000 It's just all color of law.

01:00:06.000 It's all frauds.

01:00:07.000 It's just giant fraud being practiced.

01:00:11.000 When you let the CPS in, they're scanning.

01:00:14.000 Most of them are abused as children.

01:00:15.000 Most of them are CPS themselves.

01:00:19.000 And, you know, this type of stuff This type of stuff happens.

01:00:27.000 And again, in America, this is how we'll be ruled.

01:00:30.000 We'll have secret police in the guise of social lady. 1.00

01:00:34.000 It's already happening.

01:00:35.000 It's the new freedom initiative from ages 4 to 18.

01:00:37.000 Now they're saying in Illinois, everybody, pregnant women, and they come and they interrogate and there's no law, no judge, no jury, no due process.

01:00:46.000 It's already been going onwards in 6166.

01:00:47.000 You know, with Patriot Act, Bush said, well, we've been doing this for years.

01:00:50.000 They have!

01:00:52.000 These family courts are just set up.

01:00:54.000 They have no legal standing.

01:00:56.000 They just declare their power.

01:00:57.000 It's all color of law.

01:00:59.000 And they come in your house looking for dirt to take your children. 0.75

01:01:02.000 When did CPS come to visit when you were gone to work, sir?

01:01:07.000 Caller here in Austin, Texas, Jesse.

01:01:09.000 When did this happen?

01:01:11.000 I'm going to say about a month ago, Alex.

01:01:16.000 Describe what happened quickly because I've got a guest coming up.

01:01:18.000 I understand.

01:01:19.000 I appreciate you holding me over.

01:01:22.000 They showed up, there was a very small minor discrepancy in which someone felt the need to put their business into our business and have CPS come out.

01:01:32.000 Oh, one of your neighbors?

01:01:34.000 Right, they found nothing.

01:01:36.000 What does your neighbor claim?

01:01:38.000 My neighbor claimed that the kids were left in the car for too long.

01:01:42.000 And, uh, you know, it's one of those things, you get the kids loaded up, oops, forgot something, run back in the house, get it together, run back out the car.

01:01:49.000 No, no, no, that's your secret police America, they're just, they don't care if there's illegal aliens walking by their house, and they don't care if there's drug dealers, they don't care if the country's imploding and the president's a criminal, but, hey, let's tattle on our neighbors, sure.

01:02:01.000 Okay, so then they said, they have their flu shots.

01:02:04.000 And then they come in, and like you said, they're scanning everything like robots, and, uh, You know, and this is all according to my wife, but she also said that they asked, um, well, are they up to date on all of their shots?

01:02:16.000 And she replied, she, she laid it off on me and that's fine.

01:02:19.000 You know, she said, well, you know, Jesse's a little bit of a conspiracy theorist and he does not want them to have their flu shots.

01:02:25.000 And, you know, you know, so she, you know, tried to be diplomatic about it.

01:02:30.000 Which is the absolute wrong thing to do.

01:02:32.000 I understand.

01:02:33.000 Well, this is a new awakening for her.

01:02:36.000 Um, so, as have been many events in the past few years, um, so, you know, she just said, no, they are not up to date on their shots.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, but she should say, hey, there's no law, lady. 1.00

01:02:48.000 What are you doing here at my house with something that isn't a law, you piece of trash? 0.98

01:02:52.000 Hey, Alex, they better be damn happy that I was not there whenever they showed up at my door. 0.99

01:02:56.000 Listen, you don't answer the door.

01:02:58.000 The best thing is give them nothing.

01:03:00.000 The police gotta have a warrant to get in your house.

01:03:02.000 These people gotta push their way in.

01:03:04.000 Let me tell you, they profile and they hire mental patients.

01:03:07.000 Let me tell you, they hire somebody who was abused.

01:03:09.000 Generally, it's multi-generational.

01:03:11.000 Most CPS are foster children. 0.96

01:03:14.000 Most of them have been gang-raped and on drugs and are they're mental patients or they're pedophiles. 0.98

01:03:14.000 Okay? 0.98

01:03:20.000 And that's statistically, criminology will tell you that.

01:03:22.000 Five times more likely to be pedophiles.

01:03:24.000 And, uh, they're there to get a hold of kids, okay? 1.00

01:03:27.000 They're the scum of the earth. 1.00

01:03:29.000 They're the absolute, total scum of earth. 1.00

01:03:32.000 I want you to... FightCPS.com Yeah, FightCPS.com. 1.00

01:03:36.000 Is that what you said?

01:03:37.000 Yes.

01:03:37.000 Alright, I appreciate you, sir.

01:03:40.000 You tell your wife she's woken up into the Matrix.

01:03:43.000 Don't ever open the door.

01:03:44.000 Because statistically, there's no one more dangerous for children than these creeps.

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01:06:58.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

01:07:01.000 We have a Nobel Prize winner, former chief economist, for the World Bank.

01:07:13.000 Joining us, Joseph Sticklitz, tomorrow.

01:07:17.000 Amen.

01:07:17.000 problem.

01:07:18.000 And we are one inch away from Kevin Tillman, Pat Tillman's brother, ladies and gentlemen.

01:07:25.000 We are one inch away from having him here for you.

01:07:29.000 We had Gore Vidal earlier this week, Aaron Ruschow.

01:07:32.000 We just, I tell you, Kevin is knocking them out of the park with his producing.

01:07:37.000 Give credit where credit is due.

01:07:39.000 We have Robert David Steele joining us.

01:07:42.000 We have a link to the Wikipedia encyclopedia run down on him.

01:07:46.000 I don't know how accurate that is, but it matches with other research I've done on him.

01:07:50.000 And Robert David Steele.

01:07:52.000 He is a former Marine Corps Infantry and Intelligence Officer for 20 years and was a second-ranking civilian GS-14 in Marine Corps Intelligence from 88 to 92.

01:08:01.000 Steele is a former clandestine service case officer with the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:08:05.000 He is the founder and CEO of OSS.net.

01:08:07.000 We have a link to that on Infowars.com if you forgot it.

01:08:11.000 And as well as the Golden Candle Society.

01:08:15.000 He founded that.

01:08:15.000 Steele also was a member of the adjunct faculty of Marine Corps University in the mid-1990s.

01:08:21.000 And he is one of the biggest, or the biggest, reviewer for Amazon.com of non-fiction books.

01:08:26.000 Over 700 books.

01:08:28.000 And there have been a lot of reports written since he decided to valiantly go public.

01:08:33.000 We had Bill Christensen, who was over the entire foreign threat analysis group of the CIA, in the top ten of the CIA for many years on, saying he cried over it.

01:08:45.000 He couldn't believe it took him two years of research And unfortunately, all evidence points towards quote, total inside job.

01:08:51.000 That's the only, only, with the data he has in two years of research, it's the only one that fits.

01:08:58.000 Sure, let it happen.

01:08:59.000 We're involved a little.

01:09:01.000 That fits, but not with all the other info.

01:09:03.000 So, it's horrifying.

01:09:05.000 It's true.

01:09:06.000 It's here.

01:09:07.000 Robert David Steele has read a bunch of books on this subject.

01:09:11.000 He's reviewed films.

01:09:12.000 I'm going to send him Terrorstorm.

01:09:13.000 I hope he'll graciously review that.

01:09:15.000 It's going to be on Amazon starting next week, and it's going to be stores starting next week everywhere.

01:09:19.000 But he joins us now, and I'm extremely honored to have him on with us.

01:09:25.000 Thank you, sir.

01:09:25.000 Well, it's my pleasure.

01:09:27.000 And as we were talking before, Amazon is really a very valuable place where people can read opinions that are almost as good as the books themselves.

01:09:38.000 So you can search for the truth on Amazon.

01:09:41.000 Well, that's right.

01:09:42.000 I mean, I catch myself some nights for an hour just on Amazon, reading the reviews.

01:09:47.000 Some of them are ten-page treatise.

01:09:51.000 And I found out about other books and other videos.

01:09:53.000 It's great.

01:09:54.000 Well, they do have a thousand-word limit, and I actually do count my words before I post it.

01:10:00.000 But I try to write summative reviews, not just evaluative reviews.

01:10:04.000 And I believe we're paying the price right now for our entire citizenry dropping out.

01:10:11.000 We have let these guys just get away with murder for too long.

01:10:15.000 Now, you're a Republican.

01:10:16.000 You're a highly respected conservative.

01:10:19.000 Well, I don't know if I'm highly respected and a conservative, but I'm certainly a moderate, middle-of-the-road Republican.

01:10:24.000 Well, I did several days of research on you, and I know that you've been You've been cited and quoted a lot by the Republicans, and I mean, I've been a Republican, you know, going back 15 years ago.

01:10:35.000 I stopped being one about 8 years ago, 9 years ago.

01:10:38.000 But my point is, you're not some liberal with an axe to grind.

01:10:42.000 No, as a matter of fact, it was the Tarpley book that took me to a new place, if you will.

01:10:51.000 I have said on air, and I've read them all, folks, that that is the most sophisticated, basically what I...

01:10:59.000 The conclusions I had come to studying government-sponsored terror for 10 years, and what I'd come to on 9-11, he put it all together in a way that I'd tried to articulate on air, but you really can't do in a radio format.

01:11:13.000 He gets it.

01:11:14.000 I agree with you, and I think what I would say is that I'm still not convinced, and I was just looking at the review that I did on Amazon, I'm still not convinced enough to convict, but I am most certainly convinced enough to say the U.S.

01:11:28.000 government did not properly investigate this and there are more rocks to be turned over.

01:11:33.000 Well, I can read your quotes, they're actually pretty powerful.

01:11:36.000 You're saying you believe that there should be a criminal investigation, and that there is enough to go after these people, and that once that opened up, that we would find quite a bit.

01:11:47.000 Can you go over your awakening, your research, when you started looking into 9-11, and kind of the rundown?

01:11:55.000 Well, my first impression was the impression that they wanted us all to have.

01:12:03.000 But where it really started breaking down for me was when I read about the, not only the 11 countries that had given us warning prior to 9-11, but the 9-11 Commission did not speak to the general in charge of the watch of the National Intelligence Command Center.

01:12:20.000 He avoided testimony.

01:12:22.000 And then when I heard about the 100,000 from the Pakistani Intelligence Service to one of the hijackers right before 9-11, That really started a cascade of unexplained issues that Tarpley, I think, together with Crossing the Rubicon and several others, I've posted a list of books suitable for evaluating Dick Cheney.

01:12:43.000 There's no question in my own mind that Dick Cheney is the Tar Baby in this thing.

01:12:49.000 I agree.

01:12:49.000 He is the nexus point, clearly with the PNAC documents, clearly two months before 9-11, taking the shoot-down powers for the first time in U.S.

01:12:58.000 history, away from the Pentagon, away from NORAD.

01:13:02.000 You then have him in control that morning in the bunker saying the order still stands, it's 50 miles out, it's 30, it's 20, it's 10.

01:13:09.000 Of course the order still stands, if you heard anything to the contrary.

01:13:12.000 Then you get into the CIA drills, the lies, claiming they never heard of such a plan.

01:13:17.000 Clearly foreign intelligence was picking up InfoPol 9 and Echelon feeds, picking up the back chatter.

01:13:25.000 FBI that picked up the chatter tried to go bust at least the Patsy's and the Moles, who were creating the legend and the story, were being protected from the highest levels.

01:13:35.000 Would you like to continue?

01:13:36.000 Well, I'm not sure I'm as far over as you are in the conspiracy theory.

01:13:41.000 If I'm given a choice between incompetence and conspiracy with the U.S.

01:13:45.000 government, I'll usually go with incompetence.

01:13:47.000 But I am absolutely certain that WTC7 was brought down with controlled demolitions.

01:13:51.000 And that, as far as I'm concerned, means that this case has not been properly investigated.

01:13:57.000 And that was a spookhive!

01:13:58.000 Well, it was a government building.

01:14:00.000 It was a federal government building, yes.

01:14:02.000 Would you call Defense Intelligence, FBI, CIA, the Army?

01:14:06.000 I mean, it was a spookhive.

01:14:08.000 Well, there's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition.

01:14:13.000 And do you notice how they act suspicious and very secretive?

01:14:18.000 Not one word in the 9-11 Commission about it.

01:14:21.000 Five different reasons from FEMA and NIST for the collapse.

01:14:24.000 Now they're saying they're having to look at explosions.

01:14:27.000 I mean, clearly, why did they... I mean, obviously, Al-Qaeda couldn't sneak in there and plant bombs to bring it down with that perfect classical textbook job.

01:14:37.000 Well, I mean, you do have the whole issue of The security camera is being disengaged.

01:14:45.000 The bomb-sniffing dog is being removed.

01:14:48.000 The family ties with Bush.

01:14:50.000 You know, I mean, if you smell rotten fish, there's probably a rotten fish somewhere around.

01:14:56.000 Well, I mean, taking your skills, I mean, you were in the field with the Marine Corps.

01:14:59.000 You did, you know, serious clandestine operations.

01:15:02.000 I mean, you've got a snout for smelling rotten fish, but I mean, we're in a giant, you know, bucket of rotten fish here.

01:15:09.000 I mean, it's hard to come away with a conclusion.

01:15:12.000 You think I want to believe this?

01:15:13.000 I don't want to believe this.

01:15:14.000 Well, there I agree with you, and I frankly am stunned.

01:15:20.000 I think the American public is just starting to wake up.

01:15:23.000 But I have been stunned that the numerous discrepancies haven't made it onto CNN.

01:15:31.000 Lou Dobbs is doing a very good job on broken government.

01:15:35.000 In fact, I'm featuring a secessionist speaker from Vermont at my conference in January because I believe this is a republic and that the citizens can dissolve the government when it gets to a point of corruption and ineffectiveness so great as to warrant a new constitutional convention.

01:15:53.000 I think our government is indeed broken.

01:15:57.000 Well, but from their view, it's not broken.

01:15:59.000 We are seeing an imperium form of select global corporations that have brought off our government and they're using, dissolving us as not even an engine, but a fuel for an engine for global hegemon that I think we're later going to be basically broken up the end of the... You know, I think you're right.

01:16:17.000 I take a very strong interest in what's called predatory immoral capitalism.

01:16:22.000 And I would like to mention a book by Michael Lewis called Liar's Poker, which is basically an insider's look at how Wall Street gets into all of these investments early on, and then they leave the citizens holding the bag.

01:16:36.000 And so, in my view, we have never had as much concentration of wealth among the fewest Americans in our history.

01:16:47.000 And concentrated wealth is one of the things that leads to revolution.

01:16:52.000 Yeah, and the neocons will say, oh, you're against free market.

01:16:56.000 Much of this has not been gained through free market.

01:16:58.000 It's been gained through mafia triads working in unison to basically extract corporate welfare to fuel their expansion.

01:17:09.000 Well, one of the things, if you've read John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman... Yes, we have interviewed him, yes.

01:17:16.000 Well, that's good.

01:17:17.000 I don't think he worked for NSA, but I think there's enough meat to his story so that I'd buy 85% of it.

01:17:22.000 And what I find really astonishing, and there's another book called The Global Class War, basically the American elite has conspired with other public elites, they've bribed other governments, and essentially the American public is being ripped off at the same time that foreign publics are being ripped off.

01:17:41.000 Well, that's right, it's a mass looting.

01:17:43.000 I mean, that's the CFR model.

01:17:45.000 Not only is it mass looting, but those foreigners blame us. 1.00

01:17:51.000 I mean, they blame us, the people.

01:17:53.000 That's what I'm saying, we've been shut up to take the fall later.

01:17:55.000 Yes.

01:17:57.000 Oh, you really, oh, I tell you, you've got it, absolutely.

01:18:00.000 I mean, in fact, I see Rupert Murdoch overseas attacking America, meanwhile he puts out domestic propaganda to keep us in line until it's too late, and they're just shutting us up.

01:18:09.000 It's a big scam.

01:18:11.000 Well, one of the reasons, I just published a book, and I gotta say, there's a really fantastic congressman in Connecticut, Congressman Rob Simmons, is a moderate Republican, He's going into, he's running for his fourth term, he's on the Homeland Security Committee, and he has agreed to sponsor the Smart Nation Act.

01:18:30.000 And what I really want to do is create a public intelligence network that is of, by, and for the people.

01:18:36.000 Yes, that's what it is.

01:18:37.000 Stay there, stay there.

01:18:38.000 Well, just using only legal, ethical information, but I absolutely believe now that the collective intelligence of the American people is superior.

01:18:49.000 To any orchestrator... Stay there, we got a break.

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01:23:16.000 I tell you, we've got him for the rest of the hour.

01:23:18.000 We've got to get him back on as a routine guest.

01:23:20.000 Let him talk more about the book he just published.

01:23:22.000 An amazing individual.

01:23:24.000 A high-level Marine Corps intelligence, then with the CIA.

01:23:28.000 And we're honored to have Robert David Steele.

01:23:31.000 In fact, he's never heard of me.

01:23:33.000 I've never talked to him.

01:23:34.000 And here he is talking about this organic intelligence network, the people, and how that interfaces with the Internet and how we're able to track the information and be so effective without the political Blinders that are put on.

01:23:46.000 Please continue, sir, then I want to get into 9-11.

01:23:49.000 Well, I believe in the common sense of the American people.

01:23:55.000 I believe that the American people have been dormant for too long and they need to take their country back.

01:24:03.000 Not only from illegal immigration, but from corrupt Congress members and from extremists in the White House.

01:24:13.000 The middle road is the best road, and I am concerned that we won't do enough house cleaning in this November election, and we're going to waste two more years. and we're going to waste two more years.

01:24:34.000 I will tell you, some of the experts that I've talked to and listened to basically say it's going to take 25 years to undo the damage that George Bush and Dick Cheney have done to this country.

01:24:43.000 We have lost our moral standing in the world.

01:24:46.000 We have lost more dead in the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq than were murdered on 9-11.

01:24:51.000 And we have the bonus of 65,000 amputees whose lives have been ruined.

01:24:57.000 And they've salted the earth with DU and Bush's signed HR 6166 that I've read and the scholars agree does affect citizens.

01:25:08.000 He's buying billions in fake news and paying off reporters.

01:25:11.000 I think they're going for broke.

01:25:13.000 I mean, using your intelligence analyst skills, I mean, everything I see shows they're going for broke, and even Bob Woodward says he may be going for dictatorship.

01:25:23.000 They could start a war with Iran, they could stage more terror attacks.

01:25:26.000 I mean, what do you think the probability of that is?

01:25:29.000 I am very concerned, and there's actually a book out called The Endgame, in which a General McInerney and another officer basically lay out the neocon plan, and you can find that book on Amazon.

01:25:41.000 I don't particularly recommend buying it.

01:25:43.000 But it is a very, very serious agenda for basically after Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, these guys are looking at nothing less than nuking them back into the Stone Age and keeping the oil. 0.87

01:25:59.000 That's just nuts!

01:26:01.000 But the real target in all of this is also the West, during this psychological clash like in 1984, but in the real world, Oceania being knocked back into the Stone Age liberty-wise.

01:26:15.000 I find it troubling.

01:26:18.000 Iraq is never going to be a democracy like ours. 0.99

01:26:21.000 And if they had a vote tomorrow, they would vote for a theocracy.

01:26:24.000 But the neocons said they never intended it.

01:26:27.000 They just told the public that they meant to break it in three parts and basically go into each country and break it down and make sure they never develop.

01:26:34.000 Well, I don't know what they were thinking, but I will tell you that the same week that Cheney was meeting secretly with Exxon and Enron, Wired Magazine published a very intelligent cover story on alternative energies and the price points at which they become affordable.

01:26:50.000 Well, they all just became affordable.

01:26:53.000 Absolutely.

01:26:55.000 So what do you see happening in the next two years?

01:26:59.000 I'm very troubled.

01:27:00.000 I mean, I'm really worried.

01:27:03.000 This is a wonderful country.

01:27:04.000 You fly across this country and you see so much wide open space and stuff.

01:27:08.000 But, you know, I have on my website, OSS.net, I have the 10 threats.

01:27:16.000 I have a public daily brief and the 10 threats identified by the United Nations, which our federal government ignores, all but 8 and 9, proliferation and terrorism.

01:27:26.000 And then there are 12 policies, and one of those policies is water.

01:27:30.000 This country is running out of water.

01:27:33.000 There are going to be water wars all over the world.

01:27:36.000 We, and the Comptroller General, who's a very serious man, David Walker, he's appointed for a 15-year position, he's been telling Congress over and over and over, in the harshest possible terms, that we're not budgeting for the future.

01:27:50.000 Well, I mean, sir, look at LCRA here in Central Texas.

01:27:53.000 They're grabbing up all the water to shut it off to artificially jack up prices. 0.89

01:27:58.000 Well, that shouldn't be allowed either, but I will tell you that we should be paying, and this may shock you, we should be paying as much for water as we're paying for gas now.

01:28:08.000 It's just crazy.

01:28:09.000 I mean, you know, an aquifer, once it runs out of water and salt water comes in, is gone for 10,000 years.

01:28:15.000 We should be building, it costs a hundred million dollars to build water desalination plants. 0.72

01:28:20.000 We should be putting two into California, two into Texas, two into Florida, and we should be pumping fresh, distilled seawater, converted into plain water, back into the aquifers.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, no one's planning for the future, you're right.

01:28:34.000 Stay there, let's get back into 9-11 on the other side with our guest, an amazing individual, Robert Steele.

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01:32:06.000 Before this hour ends, we'll take a few calls for Mr. Steele, former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer, former CIA Intelligence Officer.

01:32:16.000 He's one of the biggest, the biggest fiction, non-fiction reviewer on Amazon.com.

01:32:21.000 And he's read a bunch of 9-11 books and videos.

01:32:23.000 Listen to this.

01:32:24.000 9-11 Synthetic Terror made in the USA, 3rd edition. 0.82

01:32:27.000 And he says, among hundreds of books, the strongest approach to truth.

01:32:31.000 It is with great sadness that I conclude that this book is the strongest of the 770 plus books I've reviewed here at Amazon.

01:32:39.000 Almost all non-fiction.

01:32:40.000 I am forced to conclude that 9-11 was at minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war.

01:32:45.000 See my review of James Bamford's pretext for war.

01:32:48.000 And I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict, not necessarily convict Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and others of the neoconservative, neo-Nazi coup d'etat and kick off the Clash of Civilizations.

01:33:00.000 See my review of Crossing the Rubicon as well as the State of Denial.

01:33:04.000 Most fascinatingly, the author, like Samuel Huntington, author of Clash of Civilizations, with Leo Strauss, the connecting rod between the Nazi fascists and the neocons.

01:33:14.000 This is, without question, the most important modern reference of state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the U.S.

01:33:24.000 government, most likely led by Dick Cheney, with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Krongard, and others, close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism.

01:33:35.000 The author draws on historical examples of the U.S.

01:33:38.000 fabrication of events, the bombing of USS Maine and Havana Harbor, and many others, Jim Vanford's politicization of Northwoods.

01:33:45.000 It is an undeniable fact that the U.S.

01:33:48.000 government has been willing to kill its own citizens and fabricate attacks as part of moving the public.

01:33:53.000 Okay, let me, before we go back to our guest, while he's on hold there, please go to InfoWars.com.

01:34:03.000 That was a hint to the folks around the show.

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01:34:22.000 And it's an excellent, excellent book.

01:34:25.000 And it goes through how they orchestrate it, how they do it, how they control it, really from all the evidence, how they did 9-11.

01:34:31.000 You need to have 9-11 Synthetic Terror made in the USA by Webster Tarpley. 0.84

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01:34:55.000 Webster and I have the same approach organically.

01:34:57.000 I don't think either one of us is queuing off the other.

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01:35:17.000 I concur, and I said that long before he did the review, on air, when we've had Webster on, telling you, this is the book.

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01:35:58.000 Going back to our guest, back to Mr. Steele.

01:36:04.000 Robert Steele, let's get more into 9-11, more into your review, more of what you think the big smoking guns... I mean, that's pretty strong language of you to say, you know, you think we can have an indictment, and I agree.

01:36:17.000 Please continue, and from your research on 9-11, reading all the big books on it, looking at Tarpley's work, if it is an inside job, which the evidence points towards... Well, let me move you away from 9-11 and simply look at impeachment.

01:36:33.000 I've reviewed several books on impeachment, and it's now a documented fact, and in fact Al Gore was talked out of contesting the Florida election, but it's a documented fact that Rove stole the Florida election with the connivance of Jeb Bush, disenfranchising 35,000 or more people of color.

01:36:55.000 That's a fact.

01:36:56.000 That election was stolen, and they did it again in 2004 in Ohio with 12 Twelve districts, again, working through the Secretary of State in Ohio, stole the election.

01:37:10.000 And that's just unbelievable to me, that then we would have an elective war in Iraq, based on a web of lies. 0.67

01:37:16.000 General Zinni, myself, several others spoke out and said, this is nonsense, and we were called traitors.

01:37:22.000 Dissent is treason under this administration.

01:37:25.000 And then you have Katrina, which was an inexcusable Bumbling! 1.00

01:37:31.000 That alone demonstrates this government is incompetent.

01:37:34.000 See, I disagree with you.

01:37:36.000 Reading P2OG, reading the Israeli plan of 83, where they said break Iraq in three parts, sectarian war, good weapons sales, cut off the oil, jack up prices.

01:37:47.000 I mean, maybe you'll elaborate, and maybe I don't disagree, but I look at Katrina, FEMA jammed communications, cut police lines, police had to aim guns at them to stop sabotaging communication, blocking the Coast Guard coming in, blocking the police and local firemen and others coming in, blocking Walmart.

01:38:08.000 They wanted that to be as bad as possible.

01:38:11.000 Then it doesn't matter if they take a hit and look bad in the press.

01:38:13.000 Then they get to having a bigger disaster, hundreds of billions in no-bid contracts to Halliburton and others.

01:38:18.000 Then FEMA goes, oh, see, we need more power. 0.95

01:38:20.000 I see it as another problem-reaction solution, just like I read.

01:38:26.000 Well, let me tell you what brings this home to us.

01:38:28.000 What brings this home to us is the explosion in suicide bombings.

01:38:34.000 There's a wonderful book called Dying to Win by Professor Pate from the University of Chicago.

01:38:41.000 Suicide, the willingness to commit suicide, changes everything.

01:38:46.000 Because it is the ultimate asymmetric factor.

01:38:49.000 What this means is that a suicide bomber is coming to a shopping mall near you, or to an elementary school, and unfortunately we have our own homegrown terrorists.

01:38:59.000 And we have our own, there's another book called Random Actors, where people just go postal.

01:39:05.000 So I am very, very concerned that the entire world is becoming very, very unstable And I'm not sure that these elites really understand that ten years from today, there's not going to be any gated community where they can hide.

01:39:19.000 They're going to have to do a Ken Lay and die before their estate can be contested. 1.00

01:39:24.000 Oh, that was real suspicious. 0.84

01:39:27.000 I'm just blown away.

01:39:29.000 And because he didn't have a chance to appeal, his hairs are allowed to keep his ill-gotten means.

01:39:34.000 That's just wrong.

01:39:36.000 Yeah, it's amazing. 0.54

01:39:40.000 No, no, certainly in the P2OG plan, they say they're going to stimulate terrorist attacks, they're going to go out and kill people's families. 0.93

01:39:47.000 It actually says this, Pentagon Plan, $6 billion program every year, in Iraq, the Middle East, they're going to go stimulate and create terrorists in the name of, quote, You know, widening the war, being able to, quote, go in and get them. 0.83

01:40:00.000 So certainly they are, I mean, I see it this way.

01:40:03.000 You've got real terrorism, normally not spectacular, a woman going crazy with a knife on a bus, stabbing 14 people, a person blowing themselves up.

01:40:11.000 You do have that real warfare going on, desperation.

01:40:15.000 Then you've got the provocateur actions that I see as the lion's share from history.

01:40:18.000 Then you've got pure state-sponsored events like 9-11.

01:40:22.000 What's your take on that statement?

01:40:27.000 Believe it or not, I believe in non-violence.

01:40:30.000 And I believe that Gandhi had it right.

01:40:33.000 I also believe in the truth eventually being discovered.

01:40:37.000 I personally think America needs two Truth and Reconciliation Commissions.

01:40:42.000 One for all the bad things we've done to the rest of the world, and one for all the bad things we've done to our own public, our poor, our working poor.

01:40:49.000 Working poor is an oxymoron.

01:40:51.000 It shouldn't be.

01:40:52.000 But there's a book by that name.

01:40:53.000 I mean, we're basically screwing the middle class, and we're screwing the earnest blue-collar workers in this country.

01:40:59.000 Well, let me bring this up to you.

01:41:00.000 If you look at the top list, and I've seen this on my shelf over and over, and I was listening to Derry Brownville today, and he had a guest on, talking about it.

01:41:07.000 And you go to UT to try to hire the top 25 engineering staff.

01:41:12.000 Three of them are American.

01:41:13.000 The rest are all from India and China.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:16.000 You go to Georgetown.

01:41:16.000 Okay.

01:41:18.000 Again, maybe one is American.

01:41:21.000 You go to MIT, maybe ten are American, and then hundreds aren't.

01:41:26.000 And then they all go back to their countries with the technology.

01:41:28.000 They all go back with what our forefathers and our incredible genius built.

01:41:33.000 We were the place where all the inventions came from, everything.

01:41:36.000 And now we have literally... I know there's a big group that's intelligent and informed still, but The average American literally has been turned into some type of low-level animal who just feeds their beast to you.

01:41:46.000 Well, that's exactly right, because we still have a school system that is not only created to manufacture factory workers, but it's funded based on real estate taxes, which means a lot of people don't get an even break.

01:42:00.000 You just said it, but see, that's by design.

01:42:02.000 It's by design they've dumbed them down.

01:42:04.000 I've got the Department of Education documents going back to the 60s and through the 80s.

01:42:08.000 I've interviewed the number two at the Department of Education. 0.67

01:42:10.000 They openly said they were there to dumb people down.

01:42:12.000 But then, Katrina isn't on purpose. 0.96

01:42:13.000 That is the response.

01:42:15.000 It is on purpose.

01:42:16.000 I mean, all the evidence shows this is coordinated.

01:42:19.000 Why do they want to destroy America that was such an engine of their dominance?

01:42:24.000 I don't know, but I'll tell you what I believe is the solution.

01:42:28.000 I believe the solution is a public intelligence network.

01:42:31.000 I think Larry brilliant that Google is one of the most important people on the planet because of what he can do.

01:42:38.000 Jimbo Wales from Wikipedia has just put out word that he's willing to spend a hundred million dollars to free key information from copyright.

01:42:47.000 You have Brewster Kahle with the Internet Archives and he's digitizing books all over the world.

01:42:53.000 I believe that if we can create an open source agency, such as Congressman Simmons is planning to introduce, that within five years we can cut the secret intelligence budget in half.

01:43:04.000 Even by two-thirds, from $60 billion down to $20 billion.

01:43:07.000 Okay, well, sir, now you're an intelligence expert, highest levels of the Marine Corps and CIA.

01:43:12.000 Average people aren't going to get this.

01:43:14.000 Again, I organically have come upon this, the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of researchers vetting each other's info, scanning everything, doing research using the NSA-type technology of the search engine drivers to go out and collate as analysts just because, in a hobby, Well, first off, let me give you the bad news.

01:43:32.000 each other's info and blow away disinfo.

01:43:37.000 So I understand what you're saying.

01:43:38.000 I'm not claiming I'm some big smart guy, but for the general public, explain what you're talking about.

01:43:43.000 Well, first off, let me give you the bad news.

01:43:45.000 Your government is spending $60 billion a year for the 5% of the information they can steal.

01:43:51.000 They're spending less than $600 million a year on what's called open source information in multiple languages.

01:43:57.000 Yeah, they'll pay for millions to find out something that was in a news article a year before.

01:44:01.000 No, they'll pay billions to have a Lockheed Martin build a secret satellite that can't see into city streets or under jungle canopy.

01:44:13.000 The point I want to make here is that we are spending way too much money on spies and secrecy and not nearly enough money on education and diplomacy.

01:44:23.000 And if we just have consultants, I mean that's what real companies do, they just have people that go around finding out, I had a guest in here a few weeks ago, working for big companies that just track things for the stock market and different derivatives, and they've just got people all over the world going and talking to average folks.

01:44:40.000 I mean, they're getting on-the-ground intelligence.

01:44:43.000 Yes, and in fact, it's been proven that on-the-ground intelligence is better than what you can get from satellites.

01:44:50.000 And there's just no substitute for human beings.

01:44:53.000 Now, what the secret world doesn't want you to know is that public intelligence is a hundred times better than secret intelligence at a tiny fraction of the price.

01:45:05.000 Well, I mean, what is the power of Google?

01:45:07.000 Obviously, the best search engine.

01:45:09.000 I mean, I can find out so much.

01:45:11.000 Cross-reference.

01:45:12.000 I mean, that really is NSA-type power.

01:45:16.000 And these guys don't even have that many analysts, from what I've seen, even using that.

01:45:21.000 In fact, they spend most of their time trying to use the apparatchik of intelligence to cover up their own corporate crimes.

01:45:27.000 Well, Google has some growing up to do.

01:45:30.000 I really admire Google.

01:45:32.000 And I think one of these days it will eat Amazon. 0.99

01:45:35.000 And that'll be a good thing, because the next big thing in information is synthetic information.

01:45:43.000 That breaks the copyright chain.

01:45:46.000 So a Google can give you an answer that is synthetically derived from millions of pages that they own free and clear.

01:45:54.000 Which is new, yeah.

01:45:55.000 Yes, it is new.

01:45:56.000 And then if you want, you can pay for the footnotes.

01:45:59.000 With microcash, a penny at a time.

01:46:01.000 But that's what millions of Americans who are news junkies are now doing.

01:46:04.000 They go out and grab... I mean, I write articles that are 50 links.

01:46:07.000 Every sentence is a link, documenting what we've said, and it's everybody else's information, but we're just collecting it and collating it.

01:46:15.000 Well, the world brain is coming into effect.

01:46:18.000 I think we're in about the fourth grade.

01:46:21.000 The day is going to come when you can go to your computer and type in your zip code Select your issues that matter to you, education, water, health, whatever, and then print out a stoplight chart for who to vote for.

01:46:35.000 Now I saw Google reporting on five years how they're going to have that.

01:46:38.000 The problem is Google also says that they're going to use microphones with NSA keyword listening to show you advertising packages or to sell it to others.

01:46:49.000 That's total surveillance.

01:46:50.000 And they're also saying that they're going to tell you who the good politician is, but I don't necessarily believe the coalition that they're going to do, you know, claiming a politician is either pro-gun or anti-gun.

01:47:01.000 Well, I think there will be cross-checking.

01:47:04.000 I agree with Eric Schmidt and Larry Page when they say that the answer to bad information is more information.

01:47:12.000 I think Google has made a very important strategic mistake.

01:47:17.000 In dealing with the secret elements of the U.S.

01:47:19.000 government.

01:47:20.000 That is a huge mistake.

01:47:21.000 And I'm hoping they'll work their way out of it and basically cut that relationship off.

01:47:30.000 Please continue.

01:47:32.000 Well, you know, Google was a little hypocritical when they were refusing to honor a Department of Justice request for information because they were heavily in bed with the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:47:43.000 The Office of Research and Development, my old friend Rick Steinhiser. 0.65

01:47:48.000 Now, I think Google has to be purer than Caesar's wife.

01:47:53.000 And I have no problem with their accepting some censorship from China and other places as the price of entry.

01:48:00.000 But I do have a problem with their having a secret relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:48:05.000 Well, obviously they're getting a lot of their technology from NSA backbone type systems.

01:48:11.000 No, don't believe that.

01:48:12.000 Don't believe that at all.

01:48:13.000 I'll tell you why.

01:48:15.000 My friend Steve Arnold has written a wonderful book.

01:48:17.000 It costs $200.

01:48:19.000 It's called The Google Legacy.

01:48:20.000 It's the best book on Google.

01:48:24.000 And the bottom line is what Google has done is invented the low-cost supercomputer.

01:48:29.000 They have gotten their data centers to the point where they can install an entire data center in 72 hours.

01:48:36.000 It's plug and play.

01:48:37.000 They've eliminated the configuration management and the backup issues and their price.

01:48:44.000 For a rack is one-third of what IBM or Dell or anyone else would charge.

01:48:49.000 No, I understand.

01:48:50.000 In fact, we even know where those data centers are now.

01:48:51.000 Oh, good for you!

01:48:53.000 Well, no, I mean, I'm finding it interesting that, I mean, you're right, everybody else is paying, that's what my IT guy has discovered, is that everybody else is paying two-thirds more than Google is.

01:49:03.000 That's right.

01:49:03.000 We're trying to keep that out of a popular understanding, but the point I'm trying to get at here is I've had Google censor us, And they claim that it's an accident.

01:49:14.000 They censor our news.

01:49:16.000 They claim we're a news affiliate, but they censor it.

01:49:18.000 We've caught them deleting our page views, our views for TerrorStorm, for instance, because they wanted out of the top 100.

01:49:25.000 They keep claiming it's an accident.

01:49:27.000 So they are being evil.

01:49:28.000 They have started censoring.

01:49:29.000 That's very interesting, because Larry Page, I actually know him.

01:49:34.000 We go to a hackers conference together, and I respect him.

01:49:37.000 And one of the things he said is, do no harm.

01:49:41.000 So, if Google is in fact starting to do harm, I think it's important that that be documented and publicized.

01:49:47.000 Well, we've been trying to do that, and they admit, oh, we're accidentally erasing your views, but nobody else's.

01:49:52.000 We'll be right back, sir.

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01:53:02.000 More on corruption.

01:53:04.000 We're going to take a few calls for our guest.

01:53:07.000 He's agreed to stay with us into the second segment with Webster Tarverly in the next hour.

01:53:13.000 He is Robert David Steele.

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01:53:20.000 And some of the 770 books he's reviewed, the non-fiction he's reviewed, former Marine Corps Intelligence, then with the CIA, doing field cases and that's the stuff that matters.

01:53:29.000 We're honored to have him with us today.

01:53:32.000 Just briefly before we talk to Patrick in Michigan and a few others, back to Google and the CIA.

01:53:38.000 I knew they were involved with them.

01:53:39.000 I knew they'd moved into some old NASA offices and were interfacing and doing a lot of really creepy stuff and that's when we saw some of the changes start to begin.

01:53:49.000 Also, we'll have a story that, say, a million people have read.

01:53:52.000 And every other search engine has it posted.

01:53:54.000 But Google won't have ours posted, but we'll have some little bitty blogs posted because their filter missed it.

01:54:00.000 And we know Google is filtering us out.

01:54:04.000 And they're doing it to other people now, kind of like Kind of like you can't link through now, or a lot of the audio won't play on MySpace, won't play YouTube or Google videos.

01:54:14.000 And I noticed this weeks before, it was in the New York Post, with Rupert Murdoch fighting with Google and YouTube, now the same thing, saying you can't play your videos.

01:54:24.000 So we know there's a lot of stuff.

01:54:25.000 It's like Yahoo won't Allow a YouTube instant message, URL to be sent through.

01:54:31.000 I mean, we know this stuff's going on, sir.

01:54:33.000 I've caught them red-handed doing it to a bunch of people.

01:54:36.000 Can you comment on their CIA connection?

01:54:39.000 No.

01:54:39.000 The only thing I know is that they do have one.

01:54:42.000 And that is through who again?

01:54:44.000 That is through the Office of Research and Development.

01:54:47.000 And then that ties off into DARPA, doesn't it?

01:54:50.000 Well, it's the CIA's equivalent of DARPA.

01:54:52.000 Now, DARPA's doing some very good things.

01:54:54.000 Strong Angel 3 is a free open source software package that can be shared with state and local governments and with non-governmental organizations.

01:55:04.000 And where I think we're going, and don't misunderstand me, I think Google is one of the greatest things since sliced bread.

01:55:10.000 Google, the Googleplex, combined with, um, with, um, gosh, what's this, uh, software?

01:55:19.000 Um, the Googleplex plus Strong Angel plus, um, There's now an open source software for language translation.

01:55:29.000 Let me see if I can find it here.

01:55:30.000 Babblefish.

01:55:33.000 No.

01:55:33.000 That's the old one.

01:55:35.000 No.

01:55:36.000 Here we go.

01:55:37.000 It's TeleLanguage.

01:55:39.000 TeleLanguage is a really fine company and it allows you to basically, if you have an employee that speaks a language, they can be logged on.

01:55:47.000 And if anyone in your organization needs that language, they can pinch hit.

01:55:52.000 And if they're too busy, or if it's not appropriate, it can default to a commercial translator in India or Indonesia or someplace else.

01:55:58.000 Sure, so let me just stop you right there.

01:55:59.000 Let's fast forward, though, ten years.

01:56:01.000 Technology now doubling every two, then it'll be every year, then every month, then every hour, then every second.

01:56:07.000 I mean, this is exponential growth.

01:56:10.000 And you talk about Bill Joy and others saying, why the future doesn't need this.

01:56:14.000 I'm sure you're aware of that, the post-humanist.

01:56:16.000 I also see this as growing so fast it's going to knock out whole industries.

01:56:23.000 It threatens the elite.

01:56:25.000 They're now trying to move to block it.

01:56:28.000 But as you said, genies out of the bottle.

01:56:30.000 I almost see this like a type of nanotech in the cyber zone with the RFID now tracking real world items.

01:56:39.000 It's almost like the grey goo.

01:56:40.000 Well, let me give you a few groups here.

01:56:42.000 First off, I think the machine of choice is going to be the handheld cell phone connected to seeing glasses.

01:56:50.000 So, like the glasses that you wear.

01:56:52.000 I've worn them.

01:56:53.000 They're absolutely amazing.

01:56:54.000 It looks just like your PCs on your desk.

01:56:58.000 I am a real believer in Alvin Toffler's Revolutionary Wealth, his latest book.

01:57:03.000 I'm a real believer in C.K.

01:57:05.000 Prahalad, who's written The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid.

01:57:08.000 I am absolutely persuaded that we can, it's a term I use, information peacekeeping.

01:57:14.000 I'm absolutely persuaded that we can use information in order to We've basically established belief systems that lead to both wealth and peace.

01:57:24.000 And we also, frankly, have to root out evil belief systems.

01:57:28.000 And that includes... Well, stay there.

01:57:29.000 We've got a break again.

01:57:29.000 A hard break, sir.

01:57:30.000 Stay with us.

01:57:31.000 Your call is promptly coming up.

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01:57:54.000 You want answers?

01:57:56.000 Well, so does he.

01:57:57.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:58:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:06.000 He's scheduled in this hour.

01:58:25.000 We talked to him this morning.

01:58:28.000 He's coming to Austin for the Texas Book Festival.

01:58:30.000 Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, who's criticized the IMF and World Bank's policies.

01:58:37.000 With huge guests like this, though, I really should never announce it.

01:58:39.000 Every time I do announce a big globalist guest, it gets scanned.

01:58:42.000 We'll see if we get him on.

01:58:43.000 We're trying him right now.

01:58:45.000 And he's also probably accustomed to radio interviews starting at five after.

01:58:49.000 But we're working on getting him right now.

01:58:51.000 And we'll also be taking your phones throughout this hour.

01:58:53.000 We had Aaron Russo.

01:58:55.000 on in the last hour and a half, an amazing individual, and we had a caller call in earlier who doesn't believe in the North American Union, who doesn't believe in any of this stuff, he just thinks we're making it all up.

01:59:08.000 And I've learned about the North American Union for, I guess I learned of it about 13 years ago, and I just can't believe that now it's in effect, and people are in denial.

01:59:18.000 They just cannot, they cannot interface with reality.

01:59:23.000 They're in abject, willful denial.

01:59:29.000 I remember back, oh I guess it was in 2002, in fact I have the article here, March 4, 2002, InfoWars.com, The World Bank and Secret Argentine Plan, transcript of Greg Pallast, journalist for BBC and observer in London, and you go through the transcript of the interview with Greg Pallast, going over what those documents meant,

01:59:56.000 Well, I'll tell you two things.

02:00:02.000 One, I spoke with the former Chief Economist, Joe Stiglitz, who was fired by the World Bank.

02:00:07.000 So, I on BBC with The Guardian basically spent some time debriefing him.

02:00:10.000 It was like one of the scenes out of a Mission Impossible, you know, where the guy comes over from the other side and you spend hours debriefing him.

02:00:16.000 So, I got the inside of what was happening at the World Bank.

02:00:19.000 In addition, he did Not brief me, but I got some other sources.

02:00:23.000 He would not give me inside documents, but other people handed me a giant stash of secret documents from the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

02:00:32.000 And it goes on to say that, and so one of the things that is happening is that in fact, I was supposed to be on CNN with the head of the World Bank, Jim Wilkinson, it's now Paul Wolfowitz.

02:00:44.000 I guess you could have Wolf in your name to be there.

02:00:46.000 And he said he would not appear on CNN even if they put me on.

02:00:49.000 And so CNN did the craziest thing and pulled me off.

02:00:53.000 So now they're threatening total boycott.

02:00:54.000 Yeah, right.

02:00:56.000 So what we found was this.

02:00:57.000 We found inside these documents that basically they required nations to sign secret agreements in which they agreed to sell off their key assets in which they agreed to take economic steps which are really devastating to the nations involved.

02:01:10.000 And if they didn't agree to these steps There was an average for each nation that signed 100 to 11 items, 111 items that they are required to sign off on.

02:01:21.000 If they didn't follow these steps, they would be cut off from all international borrowing.

02:01:25.000 You can't borrow any money in the international marketplace.

02:01:28.000 Now, no one could survive without borrowing.

02:01:31.000 And he goes on in the next, what, 10 pages, or the transcript is even longer than that, to break down what these documents entail.

02:01:38.000 He put a lot of them on BBC, but there was a news blackout with this.

02:01:42.000 We've always wanted to get Joseph Stiglitz on the show.

02:01:47.000 We're trying to get him on right now.

02:01:48.000 Have you had any luck yet?

02:01:51.000 Just rings and rings and rings and rings.

02:01:54.000 Of course, more often than somebody just not coming on, more often we get our time zones scrambled.

02:01:57.000 But I was at the office an hour before air time when Kevin Smith was on the phone with Stiglitz talking about the interview.

02:02:06.000 So he was scheduled.

02:02:09.000 We'll continue to try to get him on.

02:02:11.000 If not, we'll have open phones in this third hour.

02:02:14.000 Get into Bush's smoke and mirrors, so-called border fence, and a lot more.

02:02:19.000 Right here on the GCN radio network, the websites are InfoWars.com, InfoWars.net, JonesReport.com, MarshallLaw911.info, ArnoldExposed.com, There's a bunch of others I didn't list, but the two big ones are InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

02:02:34.000 Updated multiple times daily.

02:02:36.000 We'll be right back on the other side of this quick break.

02:02:38.000 Start going to your calls, and hopefully getting Joseph Stiglitz on.

02:02:42.000 on stay with us it's here after a year in production traveling to distant lands my new film terror storm is complete Shocking declassified government documents prove that western governments are orchestrating terror attacks against their own populations as a pretext to enslave them.

02:03:02.000 Terror Storm proves that not only was 9-11 an inside job, but the attacks of 7-7 in London were carried out by British intelligence.

02:03:10.000 Terror Storm chronicles the lies that took us to war in Iran, a White House program to disseminate fake news, NSA spying, Secret police torture, the latest 9-11 information, and much, much more.

02:03:22.000 Terror Storm is the definitive guide to the history of government-sponsored terrorism.

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02:05:48.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

02:05:51.000 We're trying to hook up with Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist at World Bank.

02:05:58.000 He either got our time zone scrambled or I talked about it.

02:06:02.000 Whenever I have a big guest in the past, I've learned to keep my mouth shut until they just suddenly appear.

02:06:06.000 And I think if I would have done that, he'd been there.

02:06:07.000 But a lot of times they find out who I am and freak out and don't come on.

02:06:12.000 But we'll see what happens.

02:06:14.000 If not, there's no telling.

02:06:16.000 We get about 95% of the guests on that we do shut up, but we'll see.

02:06:20.000 It's always best when I'm setting them up just to give them no information.

02:06:23.000 But we try our best to do that without being dishonest with people.

02:06:27.000 Let's go ahead and go back to your calls.

02:06:33.000 He's calling in about some manual about voting or something.

02:06:36.000 Go ahead, Joe.

02:06:37.000 Yeah, I've got the manual right in front of me, and it has procedures for everything.

02:06:42.000 Okay, what manual?

02:06:44.000 Whose manual?

02:06:45.000 State of Wisconsin.

02:06:46.000 It's pretty much state standardized, but for each city it'll be a little different.

02:06:51.000 But for people that can take time off on Tuesday, our polls are going to be open from 7 until 8 o'clock.

02:07:00.000 I understand.

02:07:00.000 What does the manual do?

02:07:01.000 Just tell us.

02:07:03.000 It's the Election Commission Poll Worker Training Manual for this year.

02:07:08.000 It's have a certifier or whatever.

02:07:10.000 So we've got those.

02:07:12.000 But poll workers have no control over the wireless connections and hookups.

02:07:16.000 Actually, we don't have those kind of machines.

02:07:18.000 We just have the Scantron ones.

02:07:19.000 We still have the paper ballots.

02:07:21.000 Because they're just as bad, you feed them in and it's then put on a computer that can be manipulated.

02:07:25.000 Well, the thing is, if anybody wants a recount, we've got those ballots on hand, but they have to refeed, because we are... You refeed them with the same county clerk stealing the election.

02:07:35.000 Well, that's why we also have the observers.

02:07:40.000 And if somebody wants to be an observer, they cannot keep you out.

02:07:44.000 Now, if you have like 20 or 30 of them, that's why it's good to become an observer early on, so that they don't say, well, we've already got 20 people, sorry.

02:07:52.000 So you have to document everything.

02:07:55.000 If you read through the manual, it'll say step-by-step.

02:07:58.000 And if somebody goes beyond that, if they add something they're not supposed to, if they take something out that they're not supposed to, make sure you catch it on tape.

02:08:06.000 And you can demand to have a police officer come and arrest them for election fraud.

02:08:12.000 Or at least give them a warning.

02:08:13.000 Look, you know, you've been caught doing this.

02:08:15.000 Don't.

02:08:16.000 And it'll look horrible on the news for anybody if somebody sees ballots going someplace they're not supposed to.

02:08:23.000 I mean, this is just to protect your rights.

02:08:26.000 And if you don't... Sure.

02:08:27.000 Well, I mean, and I appreciate your call.

02:08:29.000 People should get involved in the election process to see it for themselves.

02:08:33.000 I volunteered in, what was it?

02:08:35.000 1998 and 1988.

02:08:35.000 what was it, 1998 and 1988.

02:08:39.000 And I was there, and I saw in the Republican primary, it was at the Austin Convention Center, I saw cases, I mean I was there stacking the Scantrons to make sure they were being stacked correctly or I mean I was there stacking the Scantrons to make sure they were being stacked correctly or in the right order, facing the right direction, and It looked just like a college or high school exam system, you know, A, B, or C, or whatever.

02:09:10.000 And then it's fed to her and read by a computer.

02:09:12.000 Optical scanners, the proper term.

02:09:14.000 And then put into a computer.

02:09:15.000 And I mean, Pat Buchanan had more than half.

02:09:18.000 I mean, it was, because I have to admit, I was stacking them, I was looking, I was asking other people, I was saying, what are you seeing, Pat Buchanan?

02:09:27.000 And you're sitting there, and then I'd take them and cram them in the machine.

02:09:32.000 And then it came out that night, he got 8% of the vote in Travis County.

02:09:37.000 And then they caught him in Arizona and other places where he'd really won.

02:09:39.000 They stole it from him.

02:09:41.000 I mean, Pat Buchanan won the Republican primary.

02:09:43.000 He should have been the Republican candidate running against Bill Clinton, not the corpse they ran Bob Dole, the consulate insider.

02:09:54.000 And that didn't happen.

02:09:57.000 It was all over the country they stole it from Pat Buchanan because he has the popular ideas.

02:10:01.000 He's a populist.

02:10:02.000 He's what the people want.

02:10:04.000 And he's predominantly anti-war, anti-Federal Reserve, anti-open borders, anti-globalist.

02:10:10.000 He's what Republicans want.

02:10:11.000 They don't want Bob Dole.

02:10:13.000 So it's been going on forever.

02:10:16.000 And I'm told we've got another number for Stiglitz.

02:10:18.000 Did you have any luck?

02:10:21.000 You're getting him right now.

02:10:22.000 He told me that a few minutes ago.

02:10:24.000 I'm sitting here.

02:10:25.000 Salivating.

02:10:27.000 Well, we have him.

02:10:28.000 Well, better late than never.

02:10:29.000 We're so honored to have him.

02:10:32.000 is Making Globalization Work.

02:10:32.000 Well, it's great to be here.

02:10:35.000 One of the other big bestsellers he had was Globalization, and it's a disconnect.

02:10:38.000 Joseph E. Stiglitz, Dr. Stiglitz, won the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his economic ideas and theorems.

02:10:48.000 I really think it's better for him to introduce himself, the most important points, because if I tried to go through all his letters and laurels, he would be here for all day.

02:10:55.000 Thank you for coming on, sir.

02:10:57.000 Well, it's great to be here.

02:10:58.000 Sorry about the confusion.

02:10:59.000 Well, that happens sometimes.

02:11:02.000 It's probably on our end.

02:11:03.000 Just in a nutshell, sir, tell us about yourself.

02:11:07.000 Well, I'm an economist.

02:11:10.000 My theoretical work, for which I got the Nobel Prize, was called The Economics of Asymmetric Information, or Imperfect Information.

02:11:18.000 It's about how markets work when some people know more than others, which is the case in all markets.

02:11:26.000 And what was so remarkable is that for 200 years, economic theory had been developed on the assumption of perfect information, and it was just hoped that a world with imperfect information would be almost like a world with perfect information, and I showed that that was obviously not the case.

02:11:45.000 But then the other thing I did is I was asked by President Clinton to serve on his Council of Economic Advisors, and eventually I served as the chairman of the council, which is his chief economic advisor for economic policy and a whole range of issues I dealt with.

02:12:04.000 And then after leaving that, in 1997, I went on to work at the World Bank as their chief economist and senior vice president, which is where I got really very deeply involved in the issues of globalization, which I wrote about in my book, Globalization is Discontent, in my more recent book, Making Globalization Work.

02:12:24.000 And rather than get into complex theorems and the unified theory of economics and all of that, because even for myself it's hard to understand, but for our general listening audience, some probably know as much as you do, but most probably don't have even an idea.

02:12:38.000 Can you boil down why you left the World Bank, why you were critical, your term coining the IMF riot?

02:12:46.000 What's wrong with the way that the global system is being administered?

02:12:51.000 Can you crystallize it in maybe a two-minute statement?

02:12:54.000 Well, the most important thesis that I bring out in my new book is that we've become more economically integrated, more interdependent, more dependent on each other, but we don't have the political institutions that can help us address the needs that we have to act cooperatively.

02:13:15.000 We have to act cooperatively as we are one integrated world, world economy.

02:13:21.000 And the result of that is that, quite often, there are big losers. 0.58

02:13:26.000 And we haven't paid enough attention to those losers. 1.00

02:13:30.000 Aren't we really, Dr. Stiglitz, aren't we really seeing modern neo-mercantilism? 0.95

02:13:36.000 Well, we are seeing it in many places around the world.

02:13:39.000 We talk a lot about exports.

02:13:42.000 We want to promote our exports.

02:13:45.000 We don't think about it from a systemic point of view.

02:13:48.000 Our exports are some other country's imports.

02:13:50.000 So if every country just promotes exports, then of course the whole trading system doesn't work.

02:13:57.000 Sure, sure.

02:13:58.000 I know you're not here to dish dirt, but you did back in 2002 when you left as their chief economist at the World Bank.

02:14:04.000 What was your major... I mean, I have the transcripts here and things you've written, but in your words, Why did you leave the World Bank?

02:14:12.000 What do you think they're doing that's wrong?

02:14:13.000 I mean, the predatory practices, the IMF World Bank documents that came out shortly after you left in the BBC, your meeting with Greg Pallas, where, you know, it's this predatory system of going in and blowing out economies so global financial corporations can come in and just take over.

02:14:30.000 Yeah, that's one way of putting it.

02:14:33.000 The more fundamental thing was that the whole system was rigged against the poor countries. 0.90

02:14:39.000 ...rigged for the advanced industrial countries, and that the result of that is that there were an awful lot of losers.

02:14:46.000 To give you one example, the last round of trade agreements was so unfair that the poorest countries of the world were actually left worse off.

02:14:58.000 So that while the advanced industrial countries, the big multinational corporations came out as big winners, there were unfortunately a lot of people who were losers.

02:15:10.000 But the documents that were released, I mean the premeditated nature of this, who are the players that are behind, you know, not just rigging it where the industrialized corporations that control the industrialized first world systems, I mean really it's a type of weight, you know, the IMF riot, bringing in conditions that cause even greater collapses for greater consolidation.

02:15:32.000 Well that's right.

02:15:35.000 Part of the problem is they had an agenda that they talked about called privatization and liberalization.

02:15:40.000 Privatization meant selling off government assets, assets that had been invested in over decades to foreign companies, often at a fraction of their true market value.

02:15:55.000 So while the citizens of the country had worked hard, saved, invested that money over a period of 20-30 years, When they sold the assets, the citizens of that country got almost nothing for those assets.

02:16:11.000 Other cases where water is a basic necessity of life.

02:16:16.000 They would triple it in a week, as you wrote.

02:16:19.000 I mean, the private corporation pays off the politician, basically, pays off the government, and then seizes the infrastructure and then jacks up prices.

02:16:26.000 That's right.

02:16:27.000 I mean, what happened with many of these cases, they had privatization before regulation.

02:16:32.000 At least we understand that if you're going to have a natural monopoly, a company running electricity, selling electricity, if you have only one company doing it, you need to regulate it.

02:16:44.000 And what happened, IMF didn't understand what we do here in the United States and what every other advanced industrial country does.

02:16:51.000 If you're going to have a monopoly, you have to make sure that it doesn't overcharge.

02:16:56.000 So they privatized these government enterprises, didn't put in the regulation, And sometimes the result of that is that the prices increased enormously.

02:17:05.000 And then the predatory nature was so great it would even debase the economy to the point of where the privatization went belly up.

02:17:12.000 There were many cases of that kind, but the example in Mexico next door, they privatized the roads. 0.76

02:17:20.000 And then, of course, they weren't able to maintain those roads, and the government had to, again, take over the roads after the company had collapsed.

02:17:28.000 Joseph Stiklitz, former Chief Economist, World Bank.

02:17:30.000 Incredible information.

02:17:31.000 Quick break.

02:17:32.000 You brought us into roads.

02:17:33.000 That was the next question I had.

02:17:36.000 We're on the same page.

02:17:37.000 Please stay with us.

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02:21:57.000 Welcome back!

02:21:57.000 Dr. Joseph Stiglitz is our guest.

02:22:06.000 He's got a new book out.

02:22:10.000 We'll tell you about it before he leaves us.

02:22:16.000 And see through your masks.

02:22:18.000 Welcome back.

02:22:19.000 Dr. Joseph Stiglitz is our guest.

02:22:22.000 Got a new book out.

02:22:23.000 We'll tell you about it before he leaves us.

02:22:24.000 He'll be here with us about 40, 45 after or so.

02:22:26.000 And we are honored to have him again.

02:22:29.000 You mentioned roads.

02:22:30.000 You were telling a story about Mexico, quote, privatizing roads.

02:22:34.000 Please continue, Doctor.

02:22:35.000 Well, the point was a very simple one.

02:22:38.000 They sold the roads to the private enterprise, and the hope was that they would be more efficient.

02:22:46.000 Of course, what happens is that They didn't maintain the roads, they couldn't generate enough revenue, and they eventually added default and put the roads back to the government.

02:22:58.000 There have been lots of other examples.

02:23:00.000 Mexico has provided a number.

02:23:01.000 One of the more disastrous was they privatized the banks.

02:23:08.000 And the argument again was that they would be more efficient.

02:23:11.000 In many cases, that happens.

02:23:13.000 But in the case of Mexico, the way they privatized led to a major banking collapse.

02:23:20.000 The government had to bail out.

02:23:22.000 A lot of people wound up with a lot of money outside of Mexico.

02:23:26.000 Chase Manhattan City Bank.

02:23:28.000 And it cost the people of Mexico an amount equivalent to about 40% of GDP.

02:23:34.000 It's really one of the greatest robberies that have ever occurred.

02:23:38.000 Exactly, and that was well publicized.

02:23:40.000 Now, speaking of roads, I was going to bring that up, but not in Mexico.

02:23:43.000 Here, the Spanish company Centrum does sweetheart deals, and they've done the calculations even mainstream news has, for about 5% of the true value of existing roads, they're being ceded them

02:23:54.000 But we're talking existing major arteries, and being given them to put transponders in the cars, taxes at exorbitant levels, to fund a lot of North American Union projects, some of the government funding goes into that, the new SPP, Security Prosperity Partnership, that's come out, and so I'm now seeing the same IMF World Bank vultures coming into the industrialized world.

02:24:16.000 Can you speak to that?

02:24:18.000 Well, this is a movement that's gone all over the world, a movement trying to turn over Basic facilities, water, roads, to the private sector.

02:24:33.000 The reason for, in part, the good reason is that exposably more efficient often turns out not to be the case.

02:24:39.000 The bad reason, which is really driving it, is that the governments today don't have to pay the budget constraints.

02:24:45.000 They get a little bit of money up front.

02:24:48.000 But then the problems are left to future administrations.

02:24:53.000 Isn't it also that 70 plus percent of the stock market ownership is by institutional purchasers in government?

02:25:01.000 I don't know the exact numbers, but increasingly a large fraction of our stock is owned by, it's by our pension funds, institutions of that kind.

02:25:12.000 Well, I looked at the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report for Texas a few years ago, and the lion's share was owned by companies.

02:25:18.000 I mean, not companies, but by government.

02:25:21.000 It could be.

02:25:23.000 I don't know.

02:25:23.000 I haven't looked at that particular set of data.

02:25:25.000 Yeah, it's such a huge field in economics, I understand.

02:25:29.000 But can you speak directly to this?

02:25:31.000 So you agree there is a massive move now, not just in the third world, with this so-called privatization that I call hijacking and looting, but now in Europe, the United Kingdom, and the United States, Canada.

02:25:43.000 Yeah, it is.

02:25:45.000 Some of the failures have put a dampener on this movement, and in the UK they privatized the railroads, and everybody today recognizes what a failure that has been.

02:25:54.000 The railroads weren't maintained, the roadbeds weren't maintained, there were a number of accidents, people were killed, and so that a number of people are, on the basis of that experience, are rethinking this policy of privatization.

02:26:08.000 What has caused predatory globalization?

02:26:12.000 What has caused it to shift into such a predatory stance?

02:26:15.000 Well, I think, of course, everybody's always wanted to take advantage of others to the extent that they could.

02:26:23.000 I think the fundamental difference is a free market ideology that is being used, or more accurately, abused by those who have seen how to take advantage of that rhetoric.

02:26:36.000 So, it sounds good to say Well, private enterprises are more efficient than government.

02:26:43.000 But take the Social Security Administration.

02:26:45.000 A couple years ago, there was an attempt to try to privatize Social Security.

02:26:52.000 The fact is, the Social Security Administration is more efficient than any private insurance company, because they don't have to spend all the money on advertising and trying to cream skim to figure out who's the best risk, who's the worst risk.

02:27:05.000 In the UK, they did privatize the Social Security system and at least part of it.

02:27:13.000 And the result of that was that benefits were reduced 40% because of transaction costs.

02:27:18.000 Dr. Stiglitz, final segment with you on the other side.

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02:29:49.000 Let's ask the question that the Bush regime hopes you will never ask.

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02:30:57.000 Alright, I got three or four final questions for Joseph Stiglitz.

02:31:00.000 We'll also tell you about his new book.

02:31:01.000 He's coming to Austin this weekend.

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02:31:10.000 The websites are Infowars.com and JonesReport.com.

02:31:13.000 Dr. Joseph E. Stiglitz, of course, has written Globalization and its Disconnects, a new book is out, Making Globalization Work.

02:31:20.000 He was the Chief Economist at the World Bank and the Vice President of the World Bank.

02:31:23.000 What do you think of the difference between the last head, Wolfdenson, and the new head that we see here from the United States, Paul Wolfowitz?

02:31:38.000 I worked with Wilkinson very closely, and we tried to actually redirect the World Bank to focus more on poor people, reduce poverty, a comprehensive approach to development, to try to cut back a little bit on the privatization, the liberalization, what was called the Washington Consensus, the consensus between the World Bank and the IMF and the U.S.

02:32:05.000 Treasury.

02:32:06.000 About how to run development, but actually an agenda that really failed almost everywhere that it tried.

02:32:15.000 So that was what we were trying.

02:32:17.000 The current administration has not, Wolfowitz has unfortunately not really been able to put together a comprehensive approach to development.

02:32:31.000 It's only emphasized corruption.

02:32:34.000 But it hasn't even put forward a kind of agenda for dealing with corruption.

02:32:37.000 For instance, there are these secret bank accounts.

02:32:42.000 There was an agreement among advanced industrial countries to do something about the secret bank accounts that play such an important role in facilitating corruption.

02:32:52.000 But the Bush administration vetoed that.

02:32:56.000 In August of 2001, Of course, in September 2001, we realized that these secret bank accounts not only facilitate corruption, they also facilitate terrorism.

02:33:08.000 But the focus was on increasing the profits of those who engage in tax evasion, all those who use these kinds of bank accounts for nefarious purposes.

02:33:18.000 But that would take a global authority to do that, so I think on the surface, it sounds good, but that would be dangerous.

02:33:24.000 But then it does show that Bush doesn't want to stop all of these other secret bank accounts.

02:33:28.000 What do you think about things like John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman?

02:33:33.000 Have you read that book?

02:33:35.000 I haven't read all of it.

02:33:36.000 I mean, what he's raising, the basic point that he's raising is that a lot of the aid Do what you're supposed to do.

02:33:47.000 Much of it seems to be motivated by the interest of contractors.

02:33:53.000 And I think, unfortunately, there's a certain element of truth in that.

02:33:56.000 There's an overtone in this book, a little bit of a conspiracy.

02:34:00.000 I'm not sure it's as conspiratorial.

02:34:03.000 The effects are much the same as if they were a conspiracy.

02:34:06.000 And the effects are, we've got super powerful global corporations basically buying off even Western governments and using the IMF and World Bank monies to basically go in and blow out economies and buy them up.

02:34:17.000 In fact, that was one of my main criticisms, that they push these policies called capital market liberalization that let money, speculative money, come in, come out.

02:34:27.000 You can't build factories of money that can come in and out overnight, but what you can do That kind of volatility destroyed the economy.

02:34:36.000 The financial markets made money when the money was coming in, then they made money when they had to restructure the devastation that they left behind.

02:34:43.000 What about the North American Union?

02:34:45.000 They've signed it, it's officially now being set up, the Asian Union's been officially announced, but it seems like it's the same corporations that are in there writing up all of the basic laws and tenets of these new global structures, and the people, by and large, aren't even aware of it.

02:35:02.000 Well, I think that is a problem.

02:35:04.000 And part of the thing is, there's something called the North American Pre-Trade Agreement.

02:35:08.000 If it were a real pre-trade agreement, it would just be a couple pages.

02:35:11.000 We eliminate our tariffs, they eliminate theirs.

02:35:13.000 We eliminate our non-tariff subsidy and our subsidies, they eliminate theirs.

02:35:17.000 But these agreements are thousands of pages.

02:35:20.000 And of course no citizen can read that.

02:35:21.000 Dr. Stiglitz, I mean, whenever we hear North American Union or any of this, this is really just powerful interest groups getting together, rewriting the laws under a new framework that suits them.

02:35:32.000 Well, I think one of my concerns that I raise is that there is not the kind of democratic accountability and transparency that we've come to demand within our own governments.

02:35:45.000 We don't always get it.

02:35:47.000 But these international institutions, for instance, don't have a Freedom of Information Act.

02:35:54.000 Some of the basic protections that we put in place, transparency, To make sure that citizens can know what is going on.

02:36:02.000 And that's one of the points that I emphasize very strongly.

02:36:06.000 Both in my old book, Globalization is Discontent, and in my new book, Making Globalization Work.

02:36:10.000 Let me ask you, I've got two final questions and I want to plug the book and let you get out of here.

02:36:15.000 Global government.

02:36:16.000 I mean, it's here, it's being set up, the three unions are being slowly merged together, but still the mainstream media will call that a conspiracy theory when all the official documents say that this is really being set up.

02:36:28.000 Number one, I mean, what do you say about global government, or how it's forming, and why do you think there's so much denial by people that it's happening?

02:36:36.000 Well, I mean, first, the fact that we are economically interdependent does mean that we have to undertake certain actions together.

02:36:45.000 and if we don't, there are some problems that won't be solved.

02:36:48.000 For instance, there were these ozone-destroying gases that were putting holes in the atmosphere, letting in radiation that was causing skin cancer.

02:36:59.000 Absolutely necessary to deal with this problem if you don't want to get cancer.

02:37:03.000 And so there was an agreement, a very specific agreement only.

02:37:08.000 It doesn't run in the whole world.

02:37:09.000 It just says you can't produce those ozone-destroying gases that lead in.

02:37:14.000 But if you've got a global authority that knocks out secret bank accounts, and then of course that global power can selectively do that, that is the ultimate tenet of global government.

02:37:22.000 Well, no.

02:37:24.000 What you need is just very limited regulations that restrict certain kinds of bad behavior.

02:37:30.000 But then that's unified.

02:37:32.000 Doctor, that's unified regulations.

02:37:33.000 Well, no, they're not.

02:37:34.000 They're just minimal.

02:37:36.000 Let me give you an example.

02:37:37.000 I used to see these old cowboy movies when we were growing up, and there would be different states, and the bandit would always ride on his horse across the state line, and the sheriff couldn't stop him.

02:37:50.000 Well, if you're going to have safe havens for criminals going across state lines, it's not going to be good for our global economic system.

02:38:01.000 So unfortunately, whether you like it or not, we have become interdependent, and that means you have to address some of these problems that go across the borders.

02:38:11.000 Sure, sure.

02:38:12.000 You've got to go in a minute, but what I'm trying to say is this.

02:38:15.000 It's all the mechanisms, the apparatus of the IMF, World Bank, Ex-Im Bank, World Trade Organization, World Health Organization, NATO, you know, all of these are controlled by the same institutions, all the same money powers, and they're all causing the major problems, and then they always have a good cop, and I don't doubt you're probably a nice person, very intelligent, a good cop who comes out and says, oh, we need a loving, you know, global framework, and a good one, and you know,

02:38:45.000 So, we're given the false choice of a loving global government, or an evil, nasty, fascistic, George Bushian global government, and at the end of the day, those of us that don't want interdependence, those of us that want to be sovereign, I don't think globalization's been good for the U.S. 0.78

02:38:58.000 We've gone from the powerhouse to the, you know, to the uh... crap house, excuse me. 0.96

02:39:04.000 I mean, it's destroying us.

02:39:06.000 Well, in fact, I think, you know, if we hadn't taken advantage of globalization we would actually be much poorer than we are now unfortunately we haven't managed it as well as we should now maybe I'm coming from the west I have a certain Midwest optimism that we can do better I and it's clear that we've made some very very big mistakes and you've repeatedly talked about the fact that we've been borrowing

02:39:33.000 we're borrowing three billion dollars from countries elsewhere But I don't think it's a mistake that he gives these corporations, they're always left with the bag, the taxpayers pick up the tab.

02:39:43.000 Well, I think that's right, and that's why we need more transparency, we need to have more accountability of what our government is doing, we need to know more about what it is doing.

02:39:54.000 But that won't be resolved if we walk away from globalization.

02:39:59.000 Well, I mean, regardless, the leaders of globalization, the people, the prime movers, they're always grab the money and run, and it's just a revolving door, and it just keeps, it keeps happening.

02:40:07.000 I say, you know, go back to, you know, the way it was previous, or the Bretton Woods Agreement, you know, get back, I mean, look at what's happening to the dollar.

02:40:14.000 In fact, let me ask you, where do you think the dollar's going, the debt bubble, the real estate market?

02:40:17.000 Down.

02:40:19.000 I mean, I saw the Financial Times of London, what, three months ago, saying that the elite is saying we've got to position our money to survive during a crash.

02:40:26.000 They're not even saying they can pull us out of it.

02:40:28.000 Now there's only a discussion of them surviving the crash landing.

02:40:31.000 Well, I am increasingly worried.

02:40:33.000 I've been worried about this for some time.

02:40:34.000 The real estate prices last month, new real estate, went down 10%.

02:40:40.000 So do you see a huge correction, global recession or depression?

02:40:45.000 I see a correction, and if it's well managed.

02:40:49.000 It will only be a slowdown.

02:40:50.000 If it's not well managed, it could be a recession.

02:40:53.000 Okay, last question.

02:40:54.000 We know there are now the biggest splits in the ruling intelligentsia and the main owners of the wealth inside the elite.

02:41:02.000 We see this in publications.

02:41:03.000 We see this in splits.

02:41:05.000 I've talked to people inside.

02:41:06.000 The last Bilderberg Group meeting was in the Canadian press, screaming at each other.

02:41:10.000 Have you ever attended Bilderberg and have you seen a split in the past?

02:41:14.000 Well, no, I haven't attended that meeting, but there are a lot of disagreements among the elites.

02:41:22.000 One of the things that makes me more optimistic, though, is that there's a beginning to realize that we are facing some serious problems.

02:41:31.000 That we can't go on as we have.

02:41:33.000 But I'm saying the same institutions that have always done the same thing in the past feather their own nest at the expense of the third world and the first world. 0.55

02:41:41.000 It doesn't seem like they're the people to continue.

02:41:44.000 Every time they put us in harm's way, then they come back with a new solution.

02:41:47.000 I mean, take debt forgiveness.

02:41:49.000 I mean, you take, say, Nigeria borrows $5 billion, they end up paying $33 billion, and then now we call it debt forgiveness to cut back some of what they owe, if they've paid $30-something billion off of an initial, you know, $4 or $5 billion, and then they don't owe anything!

02:42:03.000 I agree with you on that, and in fact it's worse than what you describe, because accompanying that debt forgiveness is a whole set of conditions that make them give up their sovereignty.

02:42:13.000 And in some countries, the loans in the first place were We're made for arms payments that go to arms dealers.

02:42:20.000 The money didn't even go to help the people of the country.

02:42:24.000 What elite do you think is preeminent right now in global politics?

02:42:27.000 That is, outside countries.

02:42:29.000 44 of the biggest 100 economies are private corporations.

02:42:31.000 What corporations?

02:42:32.000 Is it Energy?

02:42:33.000 Is it Defense?

02:42:34.000 Is it the people at the Bilderberg Group?

02:42:36.000 The CFR?

02:42:37.000 I mean, who's the most powerful?

02:42:38.000 Who has the most influence right now?

02:42:40.000 Well, I wouldn't try to parse it that way.

02:42:42.000 I wouldn't put it quite that way.

02:42:44.000 All of these groups are powerful and influential.

02:42:47.000 I think, unfortunately, in this current administration, the defense industries and the energy industries have really been running the show, and it has been disastrous.

02:42:59.000 I don't think there's ever been a time in recent history where two groups, two industries like that, have exerted so much influence on policies to such disastrous effects.

02:43:10.000 So there's not enough separation of powers?

02:43:14.000 Well, we still have our different groups in Congress.

02:43:20.000 We have the Executive Branch.

02:43:21.000 What do you think of H.R.

02:43:22.000 6166, the Enemy Combatants Military Commissions Act?

02:43:27.000 I'm not sure I know all the details of that.

02:43:30.000 Well, it abolished 9 of the 10 Bill of Rights.

02:43:33.000 I know what bill you're talking about.

02:43:35.000 It's the bill I think we're talking about.

02:43:37.000 I don't know all the bills by all these numbers.

02:43:39.000 But if it's what I think you're talking about, I think it's a disaster.

02:43:44.000 Yeah, but one past three weeks ago, dealing with torture... Exactly.

02:43:50.000 I grew up under the idea that there were certain basic things that defined us as Americans.

02:43:55.000 Innocent until proven guilty.

02:43:56.000 Due process, yeah.

02:43:57.000 Due process, rid of habeas corpus, you can't be put in prison without... 0.58

02:44:02.000 Uh, you know, uh, uh, government bringing charges against you.

02:44:07.000 I think that almost defined us as Americans.

02:44:10.000 Do you think that we are in danger of ending up having what you call the IMF riots someday here in America?

02:44:15.000 Uh, I don't think we're in danger of those kinds of riots, but I do think that we ought to be thinking a lot more about our basic rights and principles.

02:44:25.000 And that bill, as far as I can understand, really did compromise some of our basic rights.

02:44:31.000 And we thought of it as only compromising the rights of some people who were not Americans, but once you start breaking down these principles, you know, there's a basic golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

02:44:44.000 Well, that's what's scary!

02:44:45.000 They said it didn't affect citizens, but it does say in there, it does, sir.

02:44:49.000 Well, and not only that, other countries are going to reciprocate.

02:44:53.000 And Americans are traveling all over the time, you know, doing business in other countries, So in fact, it does put Americans at jeopardy and no matter what you look at it.

02:45:04.000 Do you ever talk to David Rockefeller?

02:45:08.000 Not very often.

02:45:11.000 What's on his mind when you talk to him?

02:45:13.000 I haven't talked to him recently enough to be able to answer that question.

02:45:16.000 The last time you talked to him, what was he talking about?

02:45:18.000 I can't remember, actually.

02:45:21.000 You're going to be here in Austin this weekend at the Texas Book Festival.

02:45:26.000 Just type Texas Book Festival into Google, folks.

02:45:29.000 You'll find out all about it.

02:45:30.000 You're speaking Sunday at the Capitol, aren't you?

02:45:32.000 That's right.

02:45:33.000 On my book, Making Globalization Work.

02:45:35.000 Well, maybe we'll pop in with the news crew and get a five-minute interview with you for the local TV show.

02:45:40.000 Making globalization work?

02:45:41.000 I think it's a dead horse.

02:45:42.000 I don't think you can make something that's fundamentally been flawed and compromised work.

02:45:47.000 But we are globalized now, so who knows where we're going?

02:45:50.000 We can make it work better.

02:45:51.000 Yeah, I guess so.

02:45:53.000 Maybe on our deathbed.

02:45:54.000 That's really what we're talking about.

02:45:57.000 Well, you're going to be there speaking about the new book?

02:46:00.000 That's right, and trying to explain how we can make... why it hasn't been working, the ways in which it hasn't been working.

02:46:06.000 And so ideas about how we can make it work better.

02:46:09.000 But they did get mad at you.

02:46:10.000 I mean, some say you left, some say you were fired.

02:46:12.000 What really happened at the World Bank to you?

02:46:15.000 Oh, well, it was a mixture.

02:46:17.000 What they said is that I could stay as long as I didn't say anything and didn't talk to the press, didn't talk on radio.

02:46:24.000 I had originally come there and said, you know, if I'm going to go accept this kind of job, I want to be able to speak my mind, talk about what I think is what ought to be done for Making the world a better place, helping the developing countries, helping the poor in the United States and other advanced industrial countries.

02:46:42.000 They weren't interested in that, and so we amicably parted ways.

02:46:49.000 Did they get mad when all those documents magically were released?

02:46:53.000 Well, people at IMF were not very happy when I criticized them.

02:47:01.000 I think they were particularly unhappy Because I predicted that certain things would happen as a result of their policies.

02:47:09.000 I turned out to be right.

02:47:10.000 If I'd been wrong, I think they could have forgiven me, but the fact that I was right made them particularly upset.

02:47:16.000 And when you say correction, again, the Financial Times and others are saying they see massive upheaval.

02:47:22.000 I mean, when you say correction, are you talking about... I mean, openly, the financial elite are talking about trying to survive what's coming.

02:47:28.000 Do you think the debt bubble will pop, or what's going to happen?

02:47:31.000 Well, I think it all depends on how well this whole thing is managed.

02:47:34.000 There is absolutely no doubt that there is misalignment, is the euphemism that people use, and that there will be a correction.

02:47:46.000 I think if it's handled well, there will be a slowdown.

02:47:48.000 We already see a slowdown.

02:47:50.000 The numbers that came out today on the quarterly growth figures show the slowdown.

02:47:55.000 If it's well managed, it will go from the slowdown into a recovery.

02:48:01.000 It's going to be difficult.

02:48:02.000 How is the management right now?

02:48:04.000 Are they doing the right thing?

02:48:09.000 No, it's been, this has been perhaps the worst six years of mismanagement of the macroeconomy.

02:48:17.000 I think there's a broad consensus on both parties about the mismanagement of the economy.

02:48:23.000 When do you see it imploding then?

02:48:25.000 Well, as I say, I think that we can avoid an implosion if we manage this very carefully, but it's going to be very risky.

02:48:32.000 Okay, and you're talking the next 12 months?

02:48:34.000 24 months?

02:48:35.000 I think we're going to go through some very difficult times in the next 12 months.

02:48:38.000 That's 24 months, yes.

02:48:39.000 Okay, thank you, sir, for joining us.

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02:48:42.000 Okay, thank you.

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02:51:48.000 I'm not bragging, but I want police and military and government people listening who don't study wide spectrum data To realize that I can have an engineer in about the collapse of buildings.

02:51:59.000 I can have a Nobel Prize winner in economics on.

02:52:02.000 We can have somebody on about ranch management.

02:52:04.000 We can have somebody on about any issue.

02:52:06.000 If I'm going to speak on something, I know what I'm talking about.

02:52:10.000 Okay?

02:52:11.000 World government's real.

02:52:12.000 They're planning to take everything you've got.

02:52:14.000 All the elite experts in economics and banking are saying that we are going to have a massive correction.

02:52:22.000 And most of them are saying, we're not going to make it out of it.

02:52:24.000 You heard him say it really bad.

02:52:27.000 Ron Paul saying it.

02:52:27.000 Global depression.

02:52:29.000 And I talked to stockbrokers, business advisors.

02:52:32.000 They don't know anything.

02:52:33.000 They play within the false paradigm that they're projected, that they're given by the global corporations that own the financial media.

02:52:40.000 And you try to talk to somebody who's a stockbroker.

02:52:43.000 What do you know about stocks, Alex?

02:52:45.000 Well, I know the Dow's rigged with only winners, and I know the money supply's been devalued by 44%, so the Dow's really at 6,200 and something.

02:52:52.000 Oh, what's that?

02:52:53.000 Oh, money devalue?

02:52:55.000 What's that mean?

02:52:57.000 And again, I don't even claim to be that smart.

02:52:59.000 I just study the stuff.

02:53:00.000 And let me tell you, I see bad, bad, bad, bad all over the place.

02:53:05.000 And so we know what we're talking about on 9-11.

02:53:07.000 North American Union.

02:53:09.000 The economy, the dollar, everything, okay?

02:53:12.000 This show needs to be on every talk station in the country.

02:53:14.000 It isn't.

02:53:15.000 If we had real information getting out there, we could save this country.

02:53:19.000 I know we got loaded phone lines.

02:53:20.000 I'll try to take calls here at the end quickly, each caller.

02:53:23.000 It's just... I'll be on the radio this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

02:53:26.000 We're going to have Aaron Russo on again.

02:53:28.000 Be sure and join us.

02:53:29.000 Bunch of news, and you can listen via InfoWars.com.

02:53:33.000 Or, hopefully stations out there that are picking up this show will pick it up, or if you can't carry it live, re-air the new show I'm doing.

02:53:38.000 A lot of new stations turning it on, I want to thank them.

02:53:42.000 And, uh, please get Aaron Russo's new film, American Freedom from Fascism, available, showing the Federal Reserve, showing who these scoundrels are.

02:53:49.000 There's a reason they ran Joseph Siglitz out of there, because he wouldn't play ball with them.

02:53:54.000 He's a globalist, but he doesn't believe in hurting all the people.

02:53:56.000 Well, you're gone, buddy.

02:53:58.000 Nobel Prize winner.

02:54:00.000 And this is how it works.

02:54:01.000 He's got a soul.

02:54:02.000 He's got a conscience.

02:54:03.000 I don't think he's just playing good cop.

02:54:04.000 He is a good cop.

02:54:05.000 But he doesn't understand the full paradigm.

02:54:08.000 And he understands his limited spectrum of analysis, which is understandable.

02:54:12.000 He can go to higher levels than any of us when he studies one small sliver.

02:54:15.000 I study the full spectrum.

02:54:17.000 And I mainly go to history because humans tend to do the same things over and over again.

02:54:20.000 So I can see a condensed version of what's happening today in any aspect I wish.

02:54:24.000 That's what I've done.

02:54:26.000 Please get America Freedom to Fascism. 0.73

02:54:27.000 It exposes the banking system, what's really happening.

02:54:30.000 Available at InfoWars.com.

02:54:31.000 And you get Terror Storm for $10, $9.95 when you do order that, when you do get America Freedom to Fascism at InfoWars.com or 888-253-3139.

02:54:39.000 Ron in Georgia, you're on the air, go ahead.

02:54:43.000 Alex, I just had a comment about the gentleman that called in earlier.

02:54:47.000 If he doesn't believe anything that's going on and he believes that everything is just fine, why is he listening to your show?

02:54:54.000 And why is he calling in?

02:54:57.000 I think it's our own fears that keep us from realizing the truth.

02:55:01.000 We don't want to see the truth.

02:55:03.000 I wrote a quick caption, if I could read it for you.

02:55:06.000 Sure, go ahead.

02:55:07.000 The chains of our captivity are not bound so tight as to deprive the mind of free thought.

02:55:13.000 They lay rather on the foundation of the ever-shifting sands of lies and iniquity, shielded from the light of truth by the shadow of our own fears.

02:55:23.000 Well, I just had a 45-minute discussion with a Nobel Prize winner, former head of economics at the World Bank, and he agreed with everything I said.

02:55:31.000 And I said neo-mercantilism.

02:55:32.000 He didn't write that in his book.

02:55:34.000 I studied history.

02:55:35.000 It's mercantilism.

02:55:36.000 Globalism's mercantilism.

02:55:38.000 And I'm not tooting my horn, folks.

02:55:39.000 I know what I'm talking about.

02:55:41.000 Thank you for the call, Ron.

02:55:42.000 Tom in California.

02:55:43.000 Sorry about Margaret and Eric and others.

02:55:44.000 Tom, go ahead.

02:55:45.000 Take us out.

02:55:48.000 I was wondering if you could give us some advice on starting a newsletter that basically copies all the headlines of Prison Planet from my local area here.

02:55:57.000 For people that don't read the internet, maybe would pick up a newsletter instead, read the same headline.

02:56:02.000 Do you have any advice?

02:56:03.000 I'd take the articles we write every week, they're the best, and I'd take four or five of those every week or every month, or ten, whatever, and do it that way.

02:56:11.000 And to get freedom to fascism in my local theater, that's the way to go about doing that.

02:56:15.000 Call Aaron Russo.

02:56:17.000 I'm out of time.

02:56:17.000 Vaya con Dios.

02:56:19.000 Have a good, safe weekend.

02:56:20.000 Ask God for guidance.

02:56:21.000 Love your family.

02:56:22.000 God bless you all.

02:56:23.000 See you Sunday on the radio.

Alex Jones Show - November 03, 2006

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