Alex Jones Show - 20061122_Wed_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

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00:00:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:23.000 Have you just joined us?

00:00:25.000 I wish.

00:00:27.000 Remaining composed in the last segment, but I was reeling with rage under the surface because I see the news articles where what happens is you homeschool your children, but when you sign that form, which isn't a law, but you sign a form letting them know you're homeschooling, that's handed over to CPS for harassment.

00:00:46.000 And this has been in the news, but they say it's good.

00:00:49.000 And then they drop by and try to trick their way into your house Saying that they want to see the learning environment.

00:00:56.000 Not even that they even got a message from a neighbor now.

00:00:58.000 It's not even that.

00:00:59.000 Or have you had your vaccines and now it's flu shots.

00:01:02.000 And right here in Austin they get up on TV and lie and say it's the law to take shots.

00:01:06.000 There is no law.

00:01:07.000 They have giant things out at the park at Zilker where thousands of kids line up to get their shots.

00:01:13.000 It's just all color of law.

00:01:14.000 It's all frauds.

00:01:15.000 It's just giant fraud being practiced when you let the CPS in.

00:01:20.000 They're scanning.

00:01:21.000 Most of them were abused as children.

00:01:23.000 Most of them were CPS themselves.

00:01:27.000 And, uh, you know, this type of stuff, this type of stuff happens.

00:01:35.000 And again, in America, this is how we'll be ruled.

00:01:37.000 We'll have secret police in the guise of social lady. 1.00

00:01:41.000 It's already happening.

00:01:43.000 It's the new freedom initiative from ages 4 to 18.

00:01:45.000 Now they're saying in Illinois, everybody, pregnant women, and they come and they interrogate and there's no law, no judge, no jury, no due process.

00:01:54.000 It's already been going on what's in 6166.

00:01:55.000 You know, with Patriot Act, Bush said, well we've been doing this for years.

00:01:58.000 They have!

00:02:00.000 These family courts are just set up.

00:02:01.000 They have no legal standing.

00:02:04.000 They just declare their power.

00:02:05.000 It's all colored or law.

00:02:07.000 And they come in your house looking for dirt to take your children. 0.75

00:02:09.000 When did CPS come to visit when you were gone to work, sir?

00:02:15.000 Caller here in Austin, Texas, Jesse.

00:02:17.000 When did this happen?

00:02:19.000 I'm going to say about a month ago, Alex.

00:02:24.000 Describe what happened quickly because I've got a guest coming up.

00:02:26.000 I understand.

00:02:26.000 Describe what happened quickly.

00:02:27.000 I appreciate you holding me over.

00:02:29.000 They showed up, there was a very small minor discrepancy in which someone felt the need to put their business into our business and have CPS come out.

00:02:40.000 Oh, one of your neighbors?

00:02:42.000 Right, they found nothing.

00:02:43.000 What does your neighbor claim?

00:02:44.000 My neighbor claimed that the kids were left in the car for too long.

00:02:50.000 And, uh, you know, it's one of those things, you get the kids loaded up, oops, forgot something, run back in the house, get it together, run back out to the car.

00:02:56.000 No, no, no, that's your secret police America, they're just, they don't care if there's illegal aliens walking by their house, and they don't care if there's drug dealers, they don't care if the country's imploding and the president's a criminal, but, hey, let's tattle on our neighbors, sure.

00:03:09.000 Okay, so then they said, uh, they had their flu shots.

00:03:12.000 And then they come in, and like you said, they're scanning everything like robots, and, uh, You know, and this is all according to my wife, but she also said that they asked, um, well, are they up to date on all of their shots?

00:03:23.000 And she replied, she, she laid it off on me and that's fine.

00:03:27.000 You know, she said, well, you know, Jeff, he's a little bit of a conspiracy theorist and he does not want them to have their flu shots.

00:03:33.000 And, you know, and, you know, so she, you know, tried to be as diplomatic about it.

00:03:38.000 Which is the absolute wrong thing to do.

00:03:40.000 I understand.

00:03:41.000 Well, this is a new awakening for her.

00:03:44.000 Um, so, as have been many events in the past few years, um, so, you know, she just said, no, they are not up to date on their shots.

00:03:52.000 Yeah, but you see, you should say, hey, there's no law, lady. 1.00

00:03:55.000 What are you doing here at my house with something that isn't a law, you piece of trash? 0.98

00:04:00.000 Hey, Alex, they better be damn happy that I was not there whenever they showed up at my door. 0.99

00:04:04.000 Listen, you don't answer the door.

00:04:05.000 The best thing is give them nothing.

00:04:08.000 The police gotta have a warrant to get in your house.

00:04:10.000 These people will try to push their way in.

00:04:12.000 Let me tell you, they profile and they hire mental patients.

00:04:15.000 Let me tell you, they hire somebody who was abused.

00:04:17.000 Generally, it's multi-generational.

00:04:19.000 Most CPS are foster children. 0.98

00:04:22.000 Most of them have been gang-raped and on drugs and they're mental patients or they're pedophiles. 0.78

00:04:27.000 And that's statistically, criminology will tell you that. 0.98

00:04:30.000 Five times more likely to be pedophiles.

00:04:32.000 And, uh, they're there to get a hold of kids, okay? 1.00

00:04:35.000 They're the scum of the earth. 1.00

00:04:37.000 They're the absolute, total scum of earth. 1.00

00:04:40.000 I want you to... FightCPS.com Yeah, FightCPS.com. 1.00

00:04:44.000 Is that what you said?

00:04:45.000 Yes.

00:04:45.000 Alright, I appreciate you, sir.

00:04:47.000 You tell your wife she's woken up into the Matrix.

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00:08:46.000 We have Robert David Steele joining us.

00:08:49.000 We have a link to the Wikipedia encyclopedia run down on him.

00:08:53.000 I don't know how accurate that is, but it meshes with other research I've done on him.

00:08:57.000 And Robert David Steele.

00:09:00.000 is a former Marine Corps Infantry and Intelligence Officer for 20 years and was a second-ranking civilian GS-14 in Marine Corps Intelligence from 88 to 92.

00:09:08.000 Steele is a former clandestine service case officer with the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:09:13.000 He is the founder and CEO of OSS.net.

00:09:15.000 We have a link to that on Infowars.com if you forgot it.

00:09:18.000 And as well as the Golden Candle Society.

00:09:21.000 He founded that.

00:09:23.000 Steele also was a member of the adjunct faculty of Marine Corps University in the mid-1990s.

00:09:28.000 And he is one of the biggest, or the biggest, reviewer for Amazon.com of non-fiction books.

00:09:33.000 Over 700 books.

00:09:36.000 And there have been a lot of reports written since he decided to valiantly go public.

00:09:40.000 We had Bill Christensen, who was over the entire foreign threat analysis group of the CIA, in the top ten of the CIA for many years on, saying he cried over it.

00:09:53.000 He couldn't believe it took him two years of research And unfortunately, all evidence points towards quote, total inside job.

00:09:59.000 That's the only, only, with the data he has in two years of research, it's the only one that fits.

00:10:06.000 Sure, let it happen.

00:10:07.000 We're involved a little.

00:10:08.000 That fits, but not with all the other info.

00:10:11.000 So, it's horrifying.

00:10:13.000 It's here.

00:10:13.000 It's true.

00:10:15.000 Robert David Steele has read a bunch of books on this subject.

00:10:18.000 He's reviewed films.

00:10:20.000 I'm going to send him Terrorstorm.

00:10:21.000 I hope he'll graciously review that.

00:10:23.000 It's going to be on Amazon starting next week, and it's going to be in stores starting next week everywhere.

00:10:26.000 But he joins us now, and I'm extremely honored to have him on with us.

00:10:32.000 Thank you, sir.

00:10:33.000 Well, it's my pleasure, and as we were talking before, Amazon is really a very valuable place where people can read opinions that are almost as good as the books themselves.

00:10:46.000 So you can search for the truth on Amazon.

00:10:49.000 I mean, I catch myself some nights for an hour just on Amazon reading the reviews.

00:10:49.000 Well, that's right.

00:10:55.000 Some of them are 10-page treatise.

00:10:58.000 And I found out about other books and other videos.

00:11:01.000 It's great.

00:11:02.000 Well, they do have a thousand-word limit, and I actually do count my words before I post it.

00:11:08.000 But I try to write summative reviews, not just evaluative reviews.

00:11:12.000 And I believe we're paying the price right now for our entire citizenry dropping out.

00:11:18.000 Uh, we have let these guys just get away with murder for too long.

00:11:23.000 Now, you're a Republican.

00:11:24.000 You're a highly respected conservative.

00:11:26.000 Well, I don't know if I'm highly respected and a conservative, but I'm certainly a moderate, middle-of-the-road Republican.

00:11:32.000 Well, I did several days of research on you, and I know that you've been You've been cited and quoted a lot by the Republicans, and I mean, I've been a Republican, you know, going back 15 years ago.

00:11:43.000 I stopped being one about 8 years ago, 9 years ago.

00:11:46.000 But my point is, you're not some liberal with an axe to grind.

00:11:50.000 No, as a matter of fact, it was the Tarpley book that took me to a new place, if you will.

00:11:58.000 I have said, I have said on air, and I've read them all, folks, that that is the most sophisticated, basically what I...

00:12:07.000 The conclusions I had come to studying government-sponsored terror for 10 years, and what I'd come to on 9-11, he put it all together in a way that I'd tried to articulate on air, but you really can't do in a radio format.

00:12:20.000 He gets it.

00:12:22.000 I agree with you, and I think what I would say is that I'm still not convinced, and I was just looking at the review that I did on Amazon, I'm still not convinced enough to convict, but I am most certainly convinced enough to say the U.S.

00:12:35.000 government did not properly investigate this and there are more rocks to be turned over.

00:12:41.000 Well, I can read your quotes here.

00:12:43.000 They're actually pretty powerful.

00:12:44.000 You're saying you believe that there should be a criminal investigation and that there is enough to go after these people and that once that opened up that we would find quite a bit.

00:12:55.000 Can you go over your awakening, your research, when you started looking into 9-11 and kind of the rundown?

00:13:02.000 Well, my first impression was the impression that they wanted us all to have.

00:13:10.000 But where it really started breaking down for me was when I read about the, not only the 11 countries that had given us warning prior to 9-11, but the 9-11 Commission did not speak to the general in charge of the watch at the National Intelligence Command Center.

00:13:28.000 He avoided testimony.

00:13:29.000 And then when I heard about the 100,000 from the Pakistani Intelligence Service to one of the hijackers right before 9-11, That really started a cascade of unexplained issues that Tarpley, I think, together with Crossing the Rubicon and several others, I've posted a list of books suitable for evaluating Dick Cheney.

00:13:51.000 There's no question in my own mind, but that Dick Cheney is the Tar Baby in this thing.

00:13:57.000 I agree.

00:13:57.000 He is the nexus point, clearly with the PNAC documents, clearly two months before 9-11, taking the shoot-down powers for the first time in U.S.

00:14:05.000 history, away from the Pentagon, away from NORAD.

00:14:10.000 You then have him in control that morning in the bunker saying the order still stands, it's 50 miles out, it's 30, it's 20, it's 10.

00:14:17.000 Of course the order still stands, if you heard anything to the contrary.

00:14:20.000 Then you get into the CIA drills, the lies, claiming they never heard of such a plan.

00:14:25.000 Clearly foreign intelligence was picking up InfoPoll 9 and Echelon feeds, picking up the back chatter.

00:14:32.000 FBI that picked up the chatter tried to go bust at least the patsies and the moles who were creating the legend and the story were being protected from the highest levels.

00:14:43.000 Would you like to continue?

00:14:44.000 Well, I'm not sure I'm as far over as you are in the conspiracy theory.

00:14:49.000 If I'm given a choice between incompetence and conspiracy, it would be U.S.

00:14:52.000 government.

00:14:53.000 I usually go with incompetence.

00:14:54.000 But I am absolutely certain that WTC7 was brought down with controlled demolition.

00:14:59.000 And that, as far as I'm concerned, means that this case has not been properly investigated.

00:15:04.000 And that was a spookhive!

00:15:06.000 Well, it was a government building.

00:15:08.000 It was a federal government building, yes.

00:15:10.000 Would you call Defense Intelligence, FBI, CIA, the Army?

00:15:13.000 I mean, it was a spookhive.

00:15:16.000 Well, there's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition.

00:15:21.000 And do you notice how they act suspicious and very secretive?

00:15:25.000 Not one word in the 9-11 Commission about it.

00:15:29.000 Five different reasons from FEMA and NIST for the collapse.

00:15:31.000 Now they're saying they're having to look at explosions.

00:15:34.000 I mean, clearly, why did they... I mean, obviously, Al-Qaeda couldn't sneak in there and plant bombs to bring it down with that perfect classical textbook job.

00:15:44.000 Well, I mean, you do have the whole issue of The security cameras being disengaged, the bomb-sniffing dogs being removed, the family ties with Bush.

00:15:58.000 You know, I mean, if you smell rotten fish, there's probably a rotten fish somewhere around.

00:16:03.000 Well, I mean, taking your skills, I mean, you were in the field with the Marine Corps.

00:16:07.000 You did, you know, serious clandestine operations.

00:16:10.000 I mean, you've got a snout for smelling rotten fish, but I mean, we're in a giant, you know, bucket of rotten fish here.

00:16:17.000 I mean, it's hard to come away with a conclusion.

00:16:20.000 You think I want to believe this?

00:16:21.000 I don't want to believe this.

00:16:22.000 Well, there I agree with you, and I frankly am stunned.

00:16:27.000 I think the American public is just starting to wake up.

00:16:31.000 But I have been stunned that the numerous discrepancies haven't made it onto CNN.

00:16:39.000 Lou Dobbs is doing a very good job on broken government.

00:16:43.000 In fact, I'm featuring a secessionist speaker from Vermont at my conference in January because I believe this is a republic and that the citizens can dissolve the government when it gets to a point of corruption and ineffectiveness so great as to warrant a new constitutional convention.

00:17:01.000 I think our government is indeed broken.

00:17:05.000 Well, but from their view, it's not broken.

00:17:07.000 We are seeing an imperium form of select global corporations that have brought off our government, and they're using dissolving us as not even an engine, but a fuel for an engine for global hegemon that I think we're later going to be basically broken up into the... You know, I think you're right.

00:17:24.000 I take a very strong interest in what's called predatory immoral capitalism.

00:17:30.000 And I would like to mention a book by Michael Lewis called Liar's Poker, which is basically an insider's look at how Wall Street gets into all of these investments early on, and then they leave the citizens holding the bag.

00:17:44.000 And so, in my view, we have never had as much concentration of wealth among the fewest Americans in our history.

00:17:55.000 And concentrated wealth is one of the things that leads to revolution.

00:18:00.000 Yeah, and the neocons will say, oh, you're against free market.

00:18:04.000 Much of this has not been gained through free market.

00:18:06.000 It's been gained through mafia triads working in unison to basically extract corporate welfare to fuel their expansion.

00:18:16.000 Well, one of the things, if you've read John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman... Yes, we have interviewed him, yes.

00:18:24.000 Well, that's good.

00:18:24.000 I don't think he worked for NSA, but I think there's enough meat to his story so that I'd buy 85% of it.

00:18:30.000 And what I find really astonishing, and there's another book called The Global Class War, basically the American elite has conspired with other public elites, they've bribed other governments, and essentially the American public is being ripped off at the same time that foreign publics are being ripped off.

00:18:49.000 Well that's right, it's a mass looting, I mean that's the CFR model.

00:18:52.000 Not only is it mass looting, but those foreigners blame us. 1.00

00:18:59.000 I mean, they blame us, the people.

00:19:01.000 That's what I'm saying, we've been set up to take the fall later.

00:19:03.000 Yes.

00:19:04.000 Oh, you really, oh, I tell you, you've got it, absolutely.

00:19:08.000 I mean, in fact, I see Rupert Murdoch overseas attacking America, meanwhile he puts out domestic propaganda to keep us in line until it's too late, and they're just shutting us up.

00:19:17.000 It's a big scam.

00:19:19.000 Well, one of the reasons, I just published a book, and I gotta say, there's a really fantastic congressman in Connecticut, Congressman Rob Simmons, is a moderate Republican, He's going into, he's running for his fourth term, he's on the Homeland Security Committee, and he has agreed to sponsor the Smart Nation Act.

00:19:38.000 And what I really want to do is create a public intelligence network that is of, by, and for the people.

00:19:43.000 Yes, that's what it is.

00:19:45.000 Stay there, stay there.

00:19:46.000 Well, just using only legal, ethical information.

00:19:51.000 But I absolutely believe now that the collective intelligence of the American people is superior.

00:19:57.000 To any orchestrator... Stay there, we gotta break.

00:19:59.000 Stay there, sir.

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00:24:26.000 We've got to get him back on as a routine guest.

00:24:28.000 Let him talk more about the book he just published.

00:24:30.000 An amazing individual.

00:24:31.000 High-level Marine Corps intelligence, then with the CIA.

00:24:36.000 And we're honored to have Robert David Steele.

00:24:39.000 In fact, he's never heard of me.

00:24:41.000 I've never talked to him.

00:24:42.000 And here he is talking about this organic intelligence network, the people, and how that interfaces with the Internet and how we're able to track the information and be so effective without the political Blinders that are put on.

00:24:54.000 Please continue, sir, and then I want to get into 9-11.

00:24:57.000 Well, I believe in the common sense of the American people.

00:25:03.000 I believe that the American people have been dormant for too long, and they need to take their country back.

00:25:11.000 Not only from illegal immigration, but from corrupt Congress members, and from extremists in the White House.

00:25:21.000 The middle road is the best road.

00:25:23.000 And I am concerned that we won't do enough housecleaning in this November election.

00:25:31.000 And we're going to waste two more years.

00:25:42.000 I will tell you some of the experts that I've talked to and listened to basically say it's going to take 25 years to undo the damage that George Bush and Dick Cheney have done to this country.

00:25:51.000 We have lost our moral standing in the world.

00:25:54.000 We have lost more dead in the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq than were murdered on 9-11.

00:25:59.000 And we have the bonus of 65,000 amputees whose lives have been ruined.

00:26:04.000 Uh, and a two trillion dollar future debt for this war.

00:26:08.000 And they've salted the earth with DU and Bush's signed H.R.

00:26:12.000 6166 that I've read and the scholars agree does affect citizens.

00:26:16.000 He's buying billions in fake news and paying off reporters.

00:26:19.000 I think they're going for broke.

00:26:20.000 I mean, using your intelligence analyst skills.

00:26:24.000 I mean, everything I see shows they're going for broke, and even Bob Woodward says he may be going for dictatorship.

00:26:30.000 They could start a war with Iran, they could stage more terror attacks.

00:26:34.000 I mean, what do you think the probability of that is?

00:26:36.000 I am very concerned, and there's actually a book out called The Endgame, in which a General McInerney and another officer basically lay out the neocon plan, and you can find that book on Amazon.

00:26:49.000 I don't particularly recommend buying it.

00:26:51.000 But it is a very, very serious agenda for basically after Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan.

00:27:02.000 These guys are looking at nothing less than nuking them back into the Stone Age and keeping the oil.

00:27:07.000 That's just nuts!

00:27:09.000 But the real target in all of this is also the West, during this psychological clash like in 1984, but in the real world, Oceania being knocked back into the Stone Age liberty-wise.

00:27:23.000 I find it troubling.

00:27:26.000 Iraq is never going to be a democracy like ours. 0.99

00:27:29.000 And if they had a vote tomorrow, they would vote for a theocracy.

00:27:32.000 But the neocons said they never intended it.

00:27:34.000 They just told the public that they meant to break it in three parts and basically go into each country and break it down and make sure they never develop.

00:27:42.000 Well, I don't know what they were thinking, but I will tell you that the same week that Cheney was meeting secretly with Exxon and Enron, Wired Magazine published a very intelligent cover story on alternative energies and the price points at which they become affordable.

00:27:57.000 Well, they all just became affordable.

00:28:01.000 Absolutely.

00:28:03.000 So what do you see happening in the next two years?

00:28:07.000 I'm very troubled.

00:28:08.000 I mean, I'm really worried.

00:28:11.000 This is a wonderful country.

00:28:12.000 You fly across this country, you see so much wide open space and stuff, but you know, I have on my website, OSS.net, I have the 10 threats.

00:28:23.000 I have a public daily brief and the 10 threats identified by the United Nations, which our federal government ignores all but 8 and 9, proliferation and terrorism.

00:28:34.000 And then there are 12 policies, and one of those policies is water.

00:28:38.000 This country is running out of water.

00:28:41.000 There are going to be water wars all over the world.

00:28:44.000 We, and the Comptroller General, who's a very serious man, David Walker, he's appointed for a 15-year position, he's been telling Congress over and over and over, in the harshest possible terms, that we're not budgeting for the future.

00:28:58.000 Well, I mean, sir, look at LCRA here in Central Texas.

00:29:01.000 They're grabbing up all the water to shut it off to artificially jack up prices. 0.89

00:29:06.000 Well, that shouldn't be allowed either, but I will tell you that we should be paying, and this may shock you, we should be paying as much for water as we're paying for gas now.

00:29:16.000 It's just crazy.

00:29:17.000 I mean, you know, an aquifer, once it runs out of water and salt water comes in, is gone for 10,000 years.

00:29:23.000 We should be building, it costs a hundred million dollars to build water desalination plants. 0.72

00:29:28.000 We should be putting two into California, two into Texas, two into Florida, and we should be pumping fresh distilled seawater converted into plain water back into the aquifers.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, no one's planning for the future, you're right.

00:29:42.000 Stay there, let's get back into 9-11 on the other side with our guest, an amazing individual, Robert Steele.

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00:33:14.000 Before this hour ends, we'll take a few calls for Mr. Steele, former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer, former CIA Intelligence Officer.

00:33:24.000 He's one of the biggest, the biggest fiction, non-fiction reviewer on Amazon.com, and he's reviewed a bunch of 9-11 books and videos.

00:33:31.000 Listen to this, 9-11 Synthetic Terror made in the USA, 3rd edition, and he says, among hundreds of books, the strongest approach to truth is with great sadness that I conclude that this book is the strongest of the 770 plus books I have reviewed here at Amazon.

00:33:47.000 Almost all non-fiction.

00:33:48.000 I am forced to conclude that 9-11 was at minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war.

00:33:53.000 See my review of James Bamford's pretext for war.

00:33:56.000 And I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict, not necessarily convict Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and others of the neoconservative, neo-Nazi coup d'etat and kick off the clash of civilizations.

00:34:08.000 See my review of Crossing the Rubicon as well as the State of Denial.

00:34:12.000 Most fascinatingly, the author, like Samuel Huntington, author of Clash of Civilizations, with Leo Strauss, the connecting rod between the Nazi fascists and the neocons.

00:34:22.000 This is, without question, the most important modern reference of state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the U.S.

00:34:32.000 government, most likely led by Dick Cheney, with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Krongard, and others, close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism.

00:34:43.000 The author draws on historical examples of the U.S.

00:34:46.000 fabrication of events, the bombing of USS Maine and Havana Harbor, and many others, Jim Vamper's politicization of Northwoods.

00:34:53.000 It is an undeniable fact that the U.S.

00:34:56.000 government has been willing to kill its own citizens and fabricate attacks as part of moving the public.

00:35:01.000 Okay, let me, before we go back to our guest, while he's on hold there... I'm here.

00:35:07.000 Okay, good.

00:35:08.000 Please go to InfoWars.com.

00:35:11.000 That was a hint to the folks around the show.

00:35:14.000 Please go to InfoWars.com and please get Webster Tarpley's 3rd Edition that we have right now of Synthetic Terror.

00:35:26.000 It's been out for two years.

00:35:27.000 It's in its 3rd edition.

00:35:28.000 It's been beefed up.

00:35:30.000 And it's an excellent, excellent book.

00:35:33.000 And it goes through how they orchestrated, how they do it, how they control it, really from all the evidence, how they did 9-11.

00:35:39.000 You need to have 9-11 Synthetic Terror made in the USA by Webster Tarpley. 0.84

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00:36:03.000 Webster and I have the same approach organically.

00:36:05.000 I don't think either one of us is queuing off the other.

00:36:08.000 Again, I'm the fellow who told you about 9/11 was about to happen two months before it happened, made the first 9/11 film, wrote the first 9/11 book, and I'm here telling you Terror Storm is the definitive video on government-sponsored terror, and Webster Tarpley's Synthetic Terror is the definitive book.

00:36:25.000 I concur, and I said that long before he did the review, on air, when we had Webster on, telling you, this is the book.

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00:37:06.000 Going back to our guest, back to Mr. Steele.

00:37:12.000 Robert Steele, let's get more into 9-11, more into your review, more of what you think the big smoking guns I mean, that's pretty strong language of you to say, you know, you think we can have an indictment, and I agree.

00:37:25.000 Please continue, and from your research on 9-11, reading all the big books on it, looking at Tarpley's work, if it is an inside job, which the evidence points towards, then how do they do it?

00:37:36.000 Let me move you away from 9-11 and simply look at impeachment.

00:37:41.000 I've reviewed several books on impeachment, and it's now a documented fact.

00:37:47.000 And in fact, Al Gore was talked out of contesting the Florida election.

00:37:53.000 But it's a documented fact that Rove stole the Florida election with the connivance of Jeb Bush, disenfranchising 35,000 or more people of color.

00:38:03.000 That's a fact.

00:38:04.000 That election was stolen.

00:38:06.000 And they did it again in 2004 in Ohio, with 12 districts.

00:38:12.000 Again, Rove working through the Secretary of State in Ohio.

00:38:16.000 Stole the election.

00:38:18.000 And that's just unbelievable to me that then we would have an elective war in Iraq based on a web of lies. 0.63

00:38:24.000 General Zinni, myself, several others spoke out and said this is nonsense and we were called traitors.

00:38:30.000 Dissent is treason under this administration.

00:38:33.000 And then you have Katrina, which was an inexcusable bumbling that alone Demonstrates this government is incompetent.

00:38:42.000 You see, I disagree with you.

00:38:44.000 Reading P-2-O-G, reading the Israeli plan of 83, where they said break Iraq in three parts, sectarian war, good weapons sales, cut off the oil, jack up prices.

00:38:56.000 Maybe you'll elaborate and maybe I don't disagree, but I look at Katrina, FEMA, jammed communications, cut police lines, police had to aim guns at them to stop, sabotaging communication, blocking The Coast Guard coming in, blocking the police and local firemen and others coming in, blocking Walmart.

00:39:16.000 They wanted that to be as bad as possible.

00:39:19.000 Then it doesn't matter if they take a hit and look bad in the press.

00:39:21.000 Then they get to having a bigger disaster, hundreds of billions in no-bid contracts to Halliburton and others.

00:39:26.000 Then FEMA goes, oh see, we need more power. 0.96

00:39:29.000 I see it as another problem-reaction solution, just like Iraq. 1.00

00:39:34.000 Well, let me tell you what brings this home to us.

00:39:36.000 What brings this home to us is the explosion in suicide bombings.

00:39:42.000 There's a wonderful book called Dying to Win by Professor Pate from the University of Chicago.

00:39:49.000 Suicide, the willingness to commit suicide, changes everything.

00:39:54.000 Because it is the ultimate asymmetric factor.

00:39:57.000 What this means is that a suicide bomber is coming to a shopping mall near you, or to an elementary school, and unfortunately we have our own homegrown terrorists.

00:40:07.000 And we have our own, there's another book called Random Actors, where people just go postal.

00:40:13.000 So I am very, very concerned that the entire world is becoming very, very unstable And I'm not sure that these elites really understand that ten years from today there's not going to be any gated community where they can hide.

00:40:27.000 They're going to have to do a Ken Lay and die before their estate can be contested. 1.00

00:40:32.000 Oh, that was real suspicious. 0.84

00:40:35.000 I'm just blown away.

00:40:37.000 And because he didn't have a chance to appeal, his hairs are allowed to keep his ill-gotten means.

00:40:42.000 That's just wrong.

00:40:44.000 Yeah, it's amazing. 0.54

00:40:47.000 No, no, certainly in the P2OG plan, they say they're going to stimulate terrorist attacks, they're going to go out and kill people's families. 0.93

00:40:55.000 It actually says this, Pentagon Plan, $6 billion program every year, in Iraq, the Middle East, they're going to go stimulate and create terrorists in the name of, quote, you know, widening the war, being able to, quote, go in and get them. 0.73

00:41:08.000 So certainly they are, I mean, I see it this way.

00:41:11.000 You've got real terrorism, normally not spectacular, a woman going crazy with a knife on a bus, stabbing 14 people, a person blowing themselves up.

00:41:19.000 You do have that real warfare going on, desperation.

00:41:22.000 Then you've got the provocateur actions that I see as the lion's share from history.

00:41:26.000 Then you've got pure state-sponsored events like 9-11.

00:41:29.000 What's your take on that statement?

00:41:32.000 Well, believe it or not, I believe in nonviolence.

00:41:38.000 And I believe that Gandhi had it right.

00:41:41.000 I also believe in the truth eventually being discovered.

00:41:45.000 I personally think America needs two Truth and Reconciliation Commissions.

00:41:50.000 One for all the bad things we've done to the rest of the world, and one for all the bad things we've done to our own public, our poor, our working poor.

00:41:57.000 Working poor is an oxymoron.

00:41:59.000 It shouldn't be.

00:42:00.000 But there's a book by that name.

00:42:02.000 I mean, we're basically screwing the middle class, and we're screwing the earnest blue-collar workers in this country.

00:42:07.000 Well, let me bring this up to you.

00:42:09.000 If you look at the top list, and I've seen this on my shelf over and over, and I was listening to Derry Bravo today, and he had a guest on, talking about it.

00:42:15.000 And you go to UT to try to hire the top 25 engineering staff.

00:42:20.000 Three of them are American.

00:42:21.000 The rest are all from India and China.

00:42:24.000 You go to Georgetown, again, maybe one is American. 0.54

00:42:29.000 You go to MIT, maybe ten are American, and then hundreds aren't.

00:42:34.000 And then they all go back to their countries with the technology.

00:42:36.000 They all go back with what our forefathers and our incredible genius built.

00:42:41.000 We were the place where all the inventions came from, everything, and now we have literally... I know there's a big group that's intelligent and informed still, but The average American literally has been turned into some type of low-level animal who just feeds their beast to you.

00:42:55.000 Well, that's exactly right, because we still have a school system that is not only created to manufacture factory workers, but it's funded based on real estate taxes, which means a lot of people don't get an even break.

00:43:08.000 You just said it, but see, that's by design.

00:43:10.000 It's by design they've dumbed them down.

00:43:12.000 I've got the Department of Education documents going back to the 60s and through the 80s.

00:43:16.000 I've interviewed the number two at the Department of Education. 0.67

00:43:18.000 They openly said they were there to dumb people down.

00:43:20.000 But then, Katrina isn't on purpose. 0.96

00:43:21.000 That is the response.

00:43:23.000 It is on purpose.

00:43:24.000 I mean, all the evidence shows this is coordinated.

00:43:27.000 Why do they want to destroy America that was such an engine of their dominance?

00:43:32.000 I don't know, but I'll tell you what I believe is the solution.

00:43:36.000 I believe the solution is a public intelligence network.

00:43:40.000 I think Larry Brilliant at Google is one of the most important people on the planet because of what he can do.

00:43:46.000 Jimbo Wales from Wikipedia has just put out word that he's willing to spend a hundred million dollars to free key information from copyright.

00:43:55.000 You have Brewster Kahle with the Internet Archives and he's digitizing books all over the world.

00:44:01.000 I believe that if we can create an open source agency, such as Congressman Simmons is planning to introduce, that within five years we can cut the secret intelligence budget in half.

00:44:12.000 Even by two-thirds, from $60 billion down to $20 billion.

00:44:15.000 Okay, well, sir, now you're an intelligence expert, highest levels of the Marine Corps and CIA.

00:44:20.000 Average people aren't going to get this.

00:44:22.000 Again, I organically have come upon this, the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of researchers vetting each other's info, scanning everything, doing research using the NSA-type technology of the search engine drivers to go out and collate as analysts, just because in a hobby Well, first off, let me give you the bad news.

00:44:40.000 there's info and and and and and blow away this info and so I understand what you're saying I'm not claiming I'm some big smart guy but for the general public explain what you're talking about well first off let me give you the bad news your government is spending sixty billion dollars a year for the five percent of the information they can steal they're spending less than six hundred million dollars a year on what's called open source information in multiple languages Yeah, they'll pay for millions to find out something that was in a news article a year before.

00:45:09.000 No, they'll pay billions to have a Lockheed Martin build a secret satellite that can't see into city streets or under jungle canopy.

00:45:21.000 The point I want to make here is that we are spending way too much money on spies and secrecy and not nearly enough money on education and diplomacy.

00:45:31.000 And if we just have consultants, I mean that's what real companies do, they just have people that go around finding out, I had a guest in here a few weeks ago, working for big companies that just track things for the stock market and different derivatives, and they've just got people all over the world going and talking to average folks.

00:45:48.000 I mean, they're getting on-the-ground intelligence.

00:45:51.000 Yes, and in fact, it's been proven that on-the-ground intelligence is better than what you can get from satellites.

00:45:58.000 And there's just no substitute for human beings.

00:46:01.000 Now, what the secret world doesn't want you to know is that public intelligence is a hundred times better than secret intelligence at a tiny fraction of the price.

00:46:13.000 Well, I mean, what is the power of Google?

00:46:16.000 Obviously the best search engine.

00:46:17.000 I mean, I can find out so much cross-reference.

00:46:20.000 I mean, that really is NSA-type power.

00:46:24.000 And these guys don't even have that many analysts, from what I've seen, even using that.

00:46:29.000 In fact, they spend most of their time trying to use the apparatchik of intelligence to cover up their own corporate crimes.

00:46:36.000 Well, Google has some growing up to do.

00:46:38.000 I really admire Google.

00:46:40.000 And I think one of these days it will eat Amazon. 0.99

00:46:43.000 And that'll be a good thing, because the next big thing in information is synthetic information.

00:46:52.000 That breaks the copyright chains.

00:46:55.000 So a Google can give you an answer that is synthetically derived from millions of pages that they own free and clear.

00:47:02.000 Which is new, yeah.

00:47:04.000 Yes, it is new.

00:47:04.000 And then if you want, you can pay for the footnotes.

00:47:07.000 With microcash, a penny at a time.

00:47:09.000 But that's what millions of Americans who are news junkies are now doing.

00:47:12.000 They go out and grab... I mean, I write articles that are 50 links.

00:47:15.000 Every sentence is a link documenting what we've said, and it's everybody else's information, but we're just collecting it and collating it.

00:47:24.000 Well, the world brain is coming into effect.

00:47:27.000 I think we're in about the fourth grade.

00:47:29.000 The day is going to come when you can go to your computer and type in your zip code Select your issues that matter to you, education, water, health, whatever, and then print out a stoplight chart for who to vote for.

00:47:43.000 Now I saw Google reporting on five years how they're going to have that.

00:47:47.000 The problem is Google also says that they're going to use microphones with NSA keyword listening to sell you advertising packages or to sell it to others.

00:47:57.000 That's total surveillance.

00:47:59.000 And they're also saying that they're going to tell you who the good politician is, but I don't necessarily believe the coalition that they're going to do, you know, claiming a politician's either pro-gun or anti-gun.

00:48:09.000 Well, I think there will be cross-checking.

00:48:12.000 I agree with Eric Schmidt and Larry Page when they say that the answer to bad information is more information.

00:48:20.000 I think Google has made a very important strategic mistake.

00:48:25.000 In dealing with the secret elements of the U.S.

00:48:27.000 government.

00:48:28.000 That is a huge mistake.

00:48:30.000 And I'm hoping they'll work their way out of it and basically cut that relationship off.

00:48:38.000 Please continue.

00:48:40.000 Well, you know, Google was a little hypocritical when they were refusing to honor a Department of Justice request for information because they were heavily in bed with the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:48:51.000 The Office of Research and Development, my old friend Rick Steinhiser. 0.65

00:48:56.000 Now, I think Google has to be purer than Caesar's wife.

00:49:01.000 And I have no problem with their accepting some censorship from China and other places as the price of entry.

00:49:08.000 But I do have a problem with their having a secret relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:49:13.000 Well, obviously they're getting a lot of their technology from NSA backbone type systems.

00:49:19.000 No, don't believe that.

00:49:20.000 Don't believe that at all.

00:49:21.000 I'll tell you why.

00:49:23.000 My friend Steve Arnold has written a wonderful book.

00:49:26.000 It costs $200.

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00:49:29.000 It's the best book on Google.

00:49:32.000 And the bottom line is what Google has done is invented the low-cost supercomputer.

00:49:37.000 They have gotten their data centers to the point where they can install an entire data center in 72 hours.

00:49:44.000 It's plug and play.

00:49:45.000 They've eliminated the configuration management and the backup issues and their price.

00:49:52.000 For a rack is one-third of what IBM or Dell or anyone else would charge.

00:49:57.000 No, I understand.

00:49:58.000 In fact, we even know where those data centers are now.

00:50:00.000 Oh, good for you!

00:50:01.000 Well, no, I mean, I'm finding it interesting that, I mean, you're right, everybody else is paying.

00:50:05.000 That's what my IT guy has discovered, is that everybody else is paying two-thirds more than Google is.

00:50:11.000 That's right.

00:50:12.000 We're trying to keep that out of a popular understanding, but the point I'm trying to get at here is I've had Google censor us.

00:50:19.000 And they claim that it's an accident.

00:50:23.000 They censor our news.

00:50:24.000 They claim we're a news affiliate, but they censor it.

00:50:26.000 We've caught them deleting our page views, our views for Terror Storm, for instance, because they want it out of the top 100.

00:50:33.000 They keep claiming it's an accident.

00:50:35.000 So they are being evil.

00:50:36.000 They have started censoring.

00:50:38.000 That's very interesting, because Larry Page, I actually know him.

00:50:43.000 We go to a hackers conference together, and I respect him.

00:50:46.000 And one of the things he said is, do no harm.

00:50:49.000 So, if Google is in fact starting to do harm, I think it's important that that be documented and publicized.

00:50:56.000 Well, we've been trying to do that, and they admit, oh, we're accidentally erasing your views, but nobody else's.

00:51:00.000 We'll be right back.

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00:54:02.000 Crashing through the lies and disinformation, it's Alex Jones, only on the GCN Radio Network.

00:54:11.000 We're on Corruption.

00:54:12.000 We're going to take a few calls for our guest.

00:54:15.000 He's agreed to stay with us into the second segment with Webster Tarpley in the next hour.

00:54:21.000 He is Robert David Steele.

00:54:24.000 And you can go to Infowars.com and link through his bios, the book he just published, and some of the 770 books he's reviewed, the non-fiction he's reviewed, former Marine Corps intelligence, then with the CIA, doing field cases, and that's the stuff that matters.

00:54:37.000 We're honored to have him with us today.

00:54:40.000 Just briefly before we talk to Patrick in Michigan and a few others, back to Google and the CIA.

00:54:45.000 I knew they were involved with them.

00:54:47.000 I knew they'd moved into some old NASA offices and were interfacing and doing a lot of really creepy stuff and that's when we saw some of the changes start to begin.

00:54:57.000 Also, we'll have a story that say a million people have read.

00:55:00.000 And every other search engine has it posted, but Google won't have ours posted, but will have some little bitty blogs posted, because their filter missed it.

00:55:08.000 And we know Google is filtering us out, and they're doing it to other people now, kind of like Kind of like you can't link through now, or a lot of the audio won't play on MySpace, won't play YouTube or Google videos.

00:55:21.000 And I noticed this weeks before, it was in the New York Post, with Rupert Murdoch fighting with Google and YouTube, now the same thing, saying you can't play your videos.

00:55:31.000 So we know there's a lot of stuff.

00:55:33.000 It's like Yahoo won't Allow a YouTube instant message, URL to be sent through.

00:55:39.000 I mean, we know this stuff's going on, sir.

00:55:41.000 I've caught them red-handed doing it to a bunch of people.

00:55:43.000 Can you comment on their CIA connection?

00:55:46.000 No.

00:55:47.000 The only thing I know is that they do have one.

00:55:50.000 And that is through who, again?

00:55:52.000 That is through the Office of Research and Development.

00:55:55.000 And then that ties off into DARPA, doesn't it?

00:55:57.000 Well, it's the CIA's equivalent of DARPA.

00:56:00.000 Now, DARPA's doing some very good things.

00:56:02.000 Strong Angel 3.

00:56:04.000 Is a free open source software package that can be shared with state and local governments and with non-governmental organizations.

00:56:12.000 And where I think we're going, and don't misunderstand me, I think Google is one of the greatest things since sliced bread.

00:56:17.000 Google, the Googleplex, combined with, um, with, um, gosh, what's this, uh, software?

00:56:27.000 Um, the Googleplex plus Strong Angel plus, um, There's now an open source software for language translation.

00:56:37.000 Let me see if I can find it here.

00:56:38.000 Babblefish.

00:56:41.000 That's the old one.

00:56:41.000 No.

00:56:43.000 No.

00:56:44.000 Here we go.

00:56:45.000 It's TeleLanguage.

00:56:46.000 TeleLanguage is a really fine company and it allows you to basically, if you have an employee that speaks a language, they can be logged on.

00:56:55.000 And if anyone in your organization needs that language, they can pinch hit.

00:56:59.000 And if they're too busy, or if it's not appropriate, it can default to a commercial translator in India or Indonesia or someplace else.

00:57:06.000 Sure.

00:57:06.000 So let me just stop you right there.

00:57:07.000 Let's fast forward, though, ten years.

00:57:09.000 Technology now doubling every two.

00:57:11.000 That'll be every year, then every month, then every hour, then every second.

00:57:14.000 I mean, this is exponential growth.

00:57:18.000 And you talk about Bill Joy and others saying why the future doesn't need us.

00:57:21.000 I'm sure you're aware of that, the post-humanist.

00:57:24.000 I also see this as growing so fast it's going to knock out whole industries.

00:57:30.000 It threatens the elite.

00:57:32.000 They're now trying to move to block it.

00:57:35.000 But as you said, genies out of the bottle.

00:57:38.000 I almost see this like a type of nanotech in the cyber zone with the RFID now tracking real world items.

00:57:46.000 It's almost like the grey goo.

00:57:48.000 Well, let me give you a few groups here.

00:57:50.000 First off, I think the machine of choice is going to be the handheld cell phone connected to seeing glasses.

00:57:58.000 So, like the glasses that you wear.

00:58:00.000 I've worn them.

00:58:00.000 They're absolutely amazing.

00:58:02.000 It looks just like your PCs on your desk.

00:58:05.000 I am a real believer in Alvin Toffler's Revolutionary Wealth, his latest book.

00:58:11.000 I'm a real believer in C.K.

00:58:12.000 Prahalad, who's written The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid.

00:58:15.000 I am absolutely persuaded that we can, it's a term I use, information peacekeeping.

00:58:22.000 I'm absolutely persuaded that we can use information in order to Basically established belief systems that lead to both wealth and peace.

00:58:32.000 And we also, frankly, have to root out evil belief systems.

00:58:35.000 And that includes... Well, stay there.

00:58:36.000 We've got a break again.

00:58:37.000 A hard break, sir.

00:58:38.000 Stay with us.

00:58:39.000 Your call's partly coming up.

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00:58:49.000 Big Brother.

00:58:58.000 Mainstream media.

00:58:59.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:03.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 I said I'd get to some calls, so I might as well do that now, then we'll go to Webster Tarpley in just a moment.

00:59:20.000 We'll get to one of them right now.

00:59:21.000 We're talking to Robert David Steele, High Level Marine Corps, Intelligence, then with the CIA, clandestine operations in the field.

00:59:31.000 You know, the real deal, folks, not the person in a desk at a cubicle.

00:59:35.000 And he's talking about revolutions in science, technology, information, which threatens the elite, so they're trying to use it every way they can to track and control us.

00:59:44.000 And I'm not optimistic about it, because the public's so sluggish.

00:59:47.000 If we had Thomas Jefferson type for this power, with this information, it'd be over.

00:59:51.000 We'd be on Alpha Centauri's in ten years.

00:59:55.000 Not probably going to happen.

00:59:56.000 Probably going to be more like the Morlocks and the Eloy. 0.98

00:59:59.000 We're in deep trouble, but let's go ahead and talk to... He's been talking about 9-11, Inside Job, and his review of Tarpley's book as the preeminent book on the subject.

01:00:09.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Omar in Michigan.

01:00:12.000 Omar, go ahead.

01:00:13.000 How you doing today?

01:00:14.000 Good, sir.

01:00:15.000 Go ahead.

01:00:16.000 Mr. Steele, we're having a resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan.

01:00:21.000 Michigan, do you think that has something to do with Bush and them backing them or something?

01:00:27.000 And the other question I have for you is do you think the October surprise will be the influx of Mexican immigrants that we've had here to the states? 0.98

01:00:38.000 They will be voting for Bush and them and that will turn the tables on the Democrats?

01:00:43.000 I'll listen to your comments off air.

01:00:46.000 I would be very concerned if the Ku Klux Klan was making a resurgence.

01:00:49.000 We do have neo-Nazi skinheads out West, and I think that's a real troublesome thing.

01:00:57.000 As far as the October surprise, historically, the Republicans know how to defeat the Democrats in a close election.

01:01:06.000 They know how to steal it.

01:01:07.000 So, if this next election isn't either dumping a whole bunch of candidates Or everybody ganging up on the extremist Republicans and saving just a few moderate Republicans, then I think we're going to waste two more years and have two more years of violence and debt and despair.

01:01:27.000 Please elaborate.

01:01:30.000 Well, you know, I mean, if I ran my business the way Bush has run in this country, I would have been thrown in jail years ago.

01:01:38.000 He's got a multi-trillion dollar debt.

01:01:43.000 Uh, he has, uh, we're going to be paying, uh, for decades for the stuff.

01:01:50.000 And I gotta tell ya, once you have someone willing to commit suicide, once you have tens of thousands of people willing to commit suicide, there is no, this is an arms race we cannot win.

01:02:02.000 We'd better make peace.

01:02:03.000 But the neocons said they wanted to stir up the Muslims, and that's a point I've made. 0.99

01:02:08.000 They wanted to break Iraq in three parts. 0.95

01:02:09.000 They wanted to have sectarian and racial killing going on between the three or four grids.

01:02:15.000 But now it seems like they've overcooked it, and the black hole they created has gotten a little bit big for them. 0.98

01:02:20.000 Well, I think Paul Bremer is an intelligent man who does well in the drawing rooms of diplomacy, but the two stupidest decisions That he made the first two decisions basically created the insurgency. 0.89

01:02:35.000 Was to disband the Ba'athist mechanism? 0.97

01:02:38.000 Exactly.

01:02:39.000 De-Ba'athifying the government gave them their leaders and disbanding the army put hundreds of thousands of pissed off guys with guns in the street.

01:02:46.000 I mean Bremer and Cheney and Wolfowitz and Feist.

01:02:50.000 Are four of the most dangerous people on the planet.

01:02:53.000 See, look, they're in power, they're in control, they're doing what people have never done before.

01:02:57.000 Taking over.

01:02:58.000 I don't think that's a screw-up. 0.97

01:02:59.000 I don't think that's dumb. 0.89

01:03:01.000 I mean, look at that.

01:03:02.000 Every time they know what their own documents say, they wanted that place to totally melt down.

01:03:08.000 Well, I won't disagree with you.

01:03:11.000 If that's what they wanted, they certainly got it.

01:03:13.000 But I'm not sure... I'm not sure... I think they...

01:03:19.000 They really did not understand just how ugly this was going to be.

01:03:24.000 No, I agree.

01:03:26.000 I think that, well, the Bible says that if you dig a pit for somebody else, you're going to fall in it.

01:03:32.000 Well, or dig two graves.

01:03:35.000 We're going to come back and let you and Webster Tarpley talk for a segment.

01:03:35.000 Stay there.

01:03:38.000 And then, Will, I'll let you get back to your important work, sir.

01:03:40.000 And a little bit more on 9-11 with both you gentlemen on the other side.

01:03:43.000 But I've got to have you back up and talk about technology explosion that's happening right now and the information.

01:03:49.000 It's like a whole new form of life!

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01:04:33.000 It's an anthology of government crimes.

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01:07:20.000 And to my whole crew and of course you, the listeners, the sponsors, everybody, we're going to go to Webster Tarpley here in just about a minute.

01:07:26.000 I have one last question for you, Mr. Steele, before we bring up Webster Tarpley, whose book you said is really the definitive volume on 9-11 inside job and is enough evidence for indictment of Cheney and other co-conspirators.

01:07:41.000 And that is, you know, I ought to send you this, because looking at all the contacts, the generals, the intelligence agencies you work for, you know, the Google people you work with, I mean, you really are an influential person, and I'm really impressed now talking to you, and I don't normally start with... No, I wouldn't overestimate that.

01:07:57.000 Well, I'm just saying we're on the same page with what we see happening.

01:08:00.000 I'm just, again, a country bumpkin looking at this, who's been living in this, and watching how it works.

01:08:05.000 What we can do is seeing some of the future positives.

01:08:08.000 There's also a lot of negatives that Joy and others have discussed, and Warwick is pushing.

01:08:15.000 I am seeing hundreds of message boards, hundreds of postings, where the same posting is being attacking me, is being cemented in, being cut and paste.

01:08:24.000 I am seeing our information being censored.

01:08:26.000 We know the White House paid for tens of thousands of fake letters to the editor, paying off reporters, $1.6 billion in fake news.

01:08:33.000 They admit it.

01:08:34.000 We know there's a huge effort out there.

01:08:37.000 And I just haven't heard you speak a lot to that.

01:08:40.000 I'm not sure if you're aware of how widespread sectors of the government, and I guess private agencies or groups, they're hiring out.

01:08:47.000 I'm not sure who all is doing it.

01:08:49.000 But I am seeing these trolls on the web trying to spew it full of background noise and disinfos.

01:08:56.000 And a lot of it's mockingbird.

01:08:57.000 A lot of people just parrot what one real disinfo person puts out.

01:09:01.000 But, I mean, can you just speak?

01:09:02.000 I know I'm just giving you a lot of generality.

01:09:04.000 Can you speak to what I'm saying?

01:09:06.000 Well, I think that there is a clear pattern of the U.S.

01:09:09.000 government paying for news it can use.

01:09:13.000 I personally hope that the revolution that Joe Trippi and Howard Dean started picks up some momentum.

01:09:22.000 In fact, let me give you two websites, or three websites.

01:09:25.000 www.citizens-party.org just has a few basic documents on how I hope we can all come together And basically vote out the corrupt and vote in people who will vote for their districts rather than for the party line.

01:09:41.000 On my own website, www.oss.net provides free public intelligence and free weekly summaries and forecasts of threats and policies.

01:09:52.000 And lastly, Amazon.

01:09:53.000 Amazon is a national treasure.

01:09:56.000 And I certainly commend anyone spending a little time on Amazon.

01:09:59.000 And if you see any one of my reviews, like for instance, my Tarpley review, If you click on that and bookmark it, you'll have all my other book reviews and that's the equivalent of a free graduate education in international affairs.

01:10:12.000 Absolutely, and I would just add to the things that You know that you're saying here that we have to get involved.

01:10:21.000 We have to interface with the information.

01:10:22.000 We have to get involved.

01:10:23.000 And people think it's boring.

01:10:25.000 It's horrible to read.

01:10:26.000 It's horrible to analyze.

01:10:27.000 It's horrible to get informed.

01:10:29.000 That's not true.

01:10:30.000 It makes you live longer, the studies show.

01:10:32.000 It makes you retain more neuron connectivity throughout age.

01:10:36.000 It stops Alzheimer's.

01:10:38.000 It will make you money in business.

01:10:40.000 It will make you, the world opens up.

01:10:43.000 You start seeing the connections, the fractal design of not just information but life.

01:10:49.000 And this is scientific.

01:10:51.000 And these people who just worship sports and acting cool and they're so shallow, I know they have the capacity to have a great intellect, but I see so many stunted people and it's very painful to me.

01:11:02.000 Well, all we can do is try.

01:11:06.000 Well, we are doing that.

01:11:07.000 Let's go ahead and go to Webster Tarpley.

01:11:10.000 Again, Webster, good to have you on, and now you're on with Mr. Steele, who gave you that glowing review.

01:11:16.000 Yes, thank you.

01:11:17.000 Thank you, Alex, very much.

01:11:18.000 And I've never met Mr. Steele, but the first thing I have to do is thank him for that very kind review.

01:11:23.000 He's been very generous, and I'm sure more than I deserve, but he's also very authoritative, and when he tells people that a book is good, they respond.

01:11:34.000 My book has gone up to about 250 on the Amazon rankings from being in the thousands, and I really don't know whether any 9-11 book of the critical type, the anti-government, anti-regime type that I represent has ever gotten quite that high.

01:11:50.000 So my hat goes off to him, and I have nothing but gratitude.

01:11:54.000 Actually, yeah, Rubicon got something in the top 80.

01:11:59.000 Well, that could be.

01:12:00.000 I've just had no way of knowing that.

01:12:02.000 Probably, too, though.

01:12:03.000 A lot of it was Steele's review.

01:12:05.000 Well, I think the progressive publisher also did some good work with advertising the book.

01:12:10.000 You certainly owe them a thank you.

01:12:12.000 But, no, I was glad to review your book.

01:12:14.000 I take your book very seriously.

01:12:17.000 I can't say that I would use your book to execute somebody, but I would certainly use your book at the beginning of an investigation.

01:12:24.000 A proper investigation.

01:12:26.000 And I think that's the idea.

01:12:27.000 It is a political thesis.

01:12:29.000 It is not, in any way, designed to be a court document.

01:12:32.000 A political judgment is the overarching framework for everything else.

01:12:32.000 Right.

01:12:36.000 And as soon as the lawyers come in, then everything changes.

01:12:40.000 And it's important to make the overarching truth, which again, for me, is my hop.

01:12:45.000 That is the made it happen on purpose.

01:12:47.000 The notion that these attacks did not come from any organization Based in the Middle East, primarily made up of Arabs or Muslims or Bin Laden sitting in some cave or any of this, but rather from the bowels of the U.S.

01:13:03.000 intelligence community, the Pentagon, the Wall Street banking establishment, and therefore made in USA.

01:13:09.000 And I think this is really important because if we don't get to that, We're always going to believe that this demagogy that we see now, the desperate Republican demagogues of the Bush camp, are attempting to freshen up fear.

01:13:25.000 Their entire neo-fascist galaxy orbits around the false flag terror-fear paradigm.

01:13:34.000 9-11 is the pillar of their church, right? 0.97

01:13:37.000 You are 9-11, and on this rock I will build my Pagan Church, with this as a synthetic civic religion. 1.00

01:13:45.000 And of course, it's not just Bush, it's also Hillary Clinton. 1.00

01:13:49.000 She's there to tell you, well, there is a need for a war on terror, but Bush just doesn't do it right.

01:13:55.000 Elect Hillary Clinton, elect Rahm Emanuel, and these people, and we'll have the right war on terror.

01:14:02.000 And final thing is, the question of the drills.

01:14:04.000 That is, that these attacks are mediated, bootlegged in, under the cover of drills.

01:14:09.000 It shows us that where we have to look for the next attack is on the list of military operations, air drills, and so forth.

01:14:18.000 Exactly.

01:14:19.000 It's a little black cloud, an otherwise clear sky, that always appears right at the same time.

01:14:25.000 And again, Oklahoma City, running a drill.

01:14:27.000 BATF, the first World Trade Center attack.

01:14:30.000 FBI, running a drill.

01:14:33.000 Of course on New York 9-11 running tripod 2 drills moving the main command base of the city and the county and the feds out of building 7 out to the pier for a terror attack.

01:14:44.000 All the other drills of hijacked jets being flown into buildings at the same time to confuse Norad and the FAA and the Interceptors.

01:14:52.000 And we saw a drill being hired by the former head of Scotland Yard Public Relations, Peter Power, telling BBC News Radio 5 and ITN Television that he ran exact drills, exact place, exact time of the exact same thing happening.

01:15:07.000 And Mr. Steele, can you speak to the bootlegging of False Flag Terror to Smokescreen in case any agents get caught?

01:15:14.000 They say it's a drill.

01:15:15.000 They also bootlegged the funding through it.

01:15:17.000 Can you speak to that?

01:15:19.000 Well, there's no question but that the Pakistani President is under an enormous amount of pressure.

01:15:25.000 I mean, he's sitting on a powder keg.

01:15:28.000 I believe that he needed something.

01:15:33.000 And I believe that Mr. Tarpon is probably right that this may have been intended to be a nuclear attack, that is to say an airplane going into a nuclear plant.

01:15:42.000 And they backed off from that, possibly as a negotiated compromise between the White House and the Pakistani Intelligence Service.

01:15:49.000 But the bottom line here is there is enough information out there to persuade me that our government has not been honest.

01:15:56.000 And I don't know if you've noticed this, Bill, but I've got you speaking in January with Michael Hiem, who wrote the book, Who the Hell Are We Fighting?, in which he talks about the way the U.S.

01:16:07.000 government lied to the people about numbers in Vietnam.

01:16:11.000 And I also have Thomas Naylor from the Vermont Republic Secessionist Movement.

01:16:16.000 And all three of you are centered on, can we trust our government?

01:16:19.000 But I think the answer is no right now.

01:16:22.000 Certainly not.

01:16:23.000 The only thing I would say is, if we look at Pakistan and the inter-services intelligence, these are people who may have some voice in terms of what happens in the northern Pakistani tribal zones.

01:16:34.000 Concerning what happens in the skies over New York, they count for absolutely nothing.

01:16:39.000 They are a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA, MI6, they always have been, and any one of them who doesn't like that is going to find his body riddled with bullets and floating in a canal somewhere.

01:16:51.000 So I don't accept myself the notion that the Saudi government or the Pakistani regime has any role in determining the timing of this, or that there's anything to negotiate with them.

01:17:02.000 I just don't see that in any sense.

01:17:05.000 An impulse coming from Wall Street, from the City of London.

01:17:08.000 It's mediated through this invisible government.

01:17:10.000 But there is a major role in finance in these moles tied into Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, at least with the back story.

01:17:18.000 I think the Rubicon has some of the detailed information on the Safari Club and some of these other things.

01:17:18.000 Well, of course.

01:17:25.000 Buzzy Kroengart, certainly in my mind, he took a dollar a year job for a very good reason at CIA.

01:17:33.000 And certainly, you can say that the ISI is important as something that runs a stable of patsies, recruits patsies. 0.97

01:17:41.000 They've obviously recruited patsies for the British, but I think this just shows again, they are subcontractors of CIA, MI6, Pentagon, and this informal banking intelligence.

01:17:52.000 Again, it goes back to Grover Cleveland capitulating to J.P.

01:17:56.000 Morgan, it's been with us now for more than a hundred years.

01:17:59.000 And Webster, we're going to talk more about that.

01:18:00.000 This is where it comes from.

01:18:01.000 We're going to talk more about that after the break.

01:18:02.000 Mr. Steele is now going to leave us, and you can check out his website by linking through at InfoWars.com.

01:18:07.000 We have links to it right now up there.

01:18:11.000 I look forward to having you back on in the future.

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01:18:24.000 The short answer is no.

01:18:26.000 They're counting on the American people being apathetic through this next election.

01:18:30.000 Do you think that hubris is going to backfire?

01:18:33.000 I hope so.

01:18:36.000 I think a lot of their analysts are concerned.

01:18:36.000 I tend to agree.

01:18:39.000 But I think at the top they're just... Do you think it's a question of hubris?

01:18:43.000 You know, I mean, these guys have their own world view.

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01:23:12.000 We are finishing up with Robert Steele.

01:23:15.000 I'm going to let him go now.

01:23:17.000 But sir, I wanted you to plug your free intelligence report.

01:23:19.000 You know, I think the key to this is free.

01:23:22.000 And it's an open source.

01:23:23.000 Like when I make a new film, it may cost me $100,000.

01:23:25.000 I put it out for free on Google Video because the goal is to get the information out and then Hopefully now people will then support it and buy the DVD for us to support ourselves.

01:23:36.000 How do you support yourself when you do your big intelligence report every week for free?

01:23:40.000 Well, I have a couple of contracts and I run an international conference, but if people go to OSS.net, they'll find these public daily intelligence reports completely free on the left-hand side.

01:23:54.000 And they'll also find the conference information on the right-hand side.

01:23:58.000 And I'm looking to have an interesting mix of 250 international people this year and we're looking at the 10 threats to humanity and we're looking at the whole idea of collective intelligence and belief systems that threaten our belief system.

01:24:14.000 Absolutely, and there is a predatory, social-Darwinistic, Malthusian driver behind this Let Them Eat Cake very decadent elite.

01:24:23.000 It's kind of like a deep diver gets narcosis.

01:24:26.000 Well, it's the same thing in high places.

01:24:28.000 They get delusional, and it's very, very dangerous.

01:24:32.000 And can't people also vote for your reviews to drive them up Amazon so more people see the books you're reviewing?

01:24:37.000 Well, I can't solicit that, but I'd be very glad if they did.

01:24:40.000 I mean, if my reviews are worth your attention, of course I'd be honored to have your vote.

01:24:45.000 Well, folks, you should go do that. 0.99

01:24:46.000 It's a way to get good books to have attention, instead of some stupid book about Madonna crucifying herself. 1.00

01:24:52.000 Okay, good to talk to you. 0.97

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01:24:55.000 All right.

01:24:56.000 Bye and bye, Bill.

01:24:57.000 Take care.

01:24:58.000 Let's go back to Mr. Tarpley.

01:25:03.000 Alex, let me just mention one thing.

01:25:04.000 He was talking about his free website.

01:25:07.000 I have a free website, too, and I have a birthday here coming up.

01:25:11.000 Tomorrow marks the 10th anniversary on the Internet of Tarpley.net, or in a slightly different form, but basically that.

01:25:19.000 And above all, having this unauthorized biography of George Bush available for free.

01:25:24.000 And that went up on, looks like it went up on October 26th, 1996, just a week or so before the presidential election of that year.

01:25:34.000 And it's been up ever since, and I think it's the oldest continuous anti-Bush site, Bush dynasty now, that there is.

01:25:40.000 And I would recommend that people go to it.

01:25:42.000 You can go and find all the stuff about Prescott Bush financing the rise of Hitler, John Hinckley and Neil Bush.

01:25:49.000 Are you aware that there's also a PDF of your new book?

01:25:53.000 I'm not sure.

01:25:54.000 I saw it last night, and I would just tell people for a while it's important to buy the book so you can continue to, you know, I mean, get off beans and crackers.

01:26:02.000 But the one I wanted to mention is my chapter on Omaha.

01:26:06.000 It's a relatively short chapter.

01:26:08.000 I do go into the Omaha pedophile ring, the Craig Spence ring, these underage homosexual gigolos in the Bush White House back in 1989, getting on the front page of the Washington Times, and I think this is very relevant now to the 0.90

01:26:22.000 The existence of this semi-secret homosexual cabal in the House of Representatives that seems to be running things, and Speaker Hastert, again widely reported by Wayne Manson and others, as being a practicing homosexual, living with his lover in a townhouse on Capitol Hill, and the entire apparatus around that, which has been around for decades and decades, I would probably trace it back to Theodore Roosevelt, And the origins of modern liberal republicanism.

01:26:52.000 But I think this is a very important topic.

01:26:55.000 And again, I don't do it out of any particular... No, no, it's true.

01:26:59.000 Listen, I've been doing this for a long time, too, and it just keeps popping up.

01:27:02.000 It's real.

01:27:03.000 We have a pervert guild running Washington. 0.98

01:27:07.000 Not just Republicans, but it's a higher percentage of Republicans.

01:27:11.000 And it's not enough for them to have boyfriends.

01:27:13.000 They've got to have underage. 0.96

01:27:15.000 And a lot of them are into that, and it's just totally evil, and they're turning the world into their sick playground.

01:27:21.000 And if you had a secret cabal of vegetarians or bird watchers or pinnacle players controlling the House of Representatives, the public would have a right to know that, and in this case, they unite around these questionable tastes that we've mentioned well it's one thing if somebody wants to pose as a family man living with his his staff member uh you know that's that's pretty bad but i mean that a lot of them are i mean come on man these people it gets so sick i don't even want to talk about it

01:27:51.000 it's a tremendous market of dupes i think where where uh well-meaning voters have their votes convoyed into something that they would not approve of anyway this i think is simply important for people to know and If you want to go on the website there and look at this, the book is always for free.

01:28:07.000 You can download the Omaha chapter, and I think that's a good preface to the things that you find coming out.

01:28:12.000 with Wayne Mattson and other people these days.

01:28:13.000 I agree.

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01:34:51.000 Uh, Webster, just give us a preview, because I want to go through five calls right now.

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01:35:05.000 So really, four in the area.

01:35:07.000 Uh, just give us a thumbnail of what's coming up.

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01:35:11.000 I got somebody who disagrees with me named Cecil I want to go to first.

01:35:14.000 Great.

01:35:14.000 I would say the following.

01:35:16.000 The New York Times CBS poll, I think, is the starting point.

01:35:20.000 16% of the American population still believe in the 9-11 terror myth, but 84% do not, to a greater or lesser extent.

01:35:27.000 And again, you have contributed a lot to that, and the 9-11 truth movement, I think, has scored a decisive victory with that.

01:35:33.000 Now, that has to be the prelude to a defeat of Bush.

01:35:36.000 It means that the spell, this terror brainwash that he's tried to do, ...is wearing thin, and that has now got to be translated into a colossal landslide defeat for the pro-Bush party.

01:35:49.000 It's got to lead to a massive repudiation of Bush, his war, and above all, the 9-11 myth at the polls.

01:35:56.000 A defeat so big that it'll go beyond just Iraq, important as that is, and get into this whole question of the global war on terror, which is the big fraud that covers everything else. 0.68

01:36:07.000 If people have 9-11 truth candidates to vote for, obviously they should. 0.99

01:36:11.000 They should do that.

01:36:12.000 They should vote for the Bob Bowmans and the Craig Hills in Vermont, and the Carol Brules in the Bay Area, or the Matthew Woodsons in Oklahoma.

01:36:21.000 If you don't have that, you can find people running for Congress, like Congressman Kucinich or Congressman Ron Paul, people who are clearly profiled in an anti-Bush, anti-totalitarian mode.

01:36:32.000 And other than that, vote against the ruling party.

01:36:35.000 And I think the interesting thing is the following.

01:36:38.000 This regime has never had congressional oversight hearings of any significant kind on anything it's done.

01:36:45.000 And if the Democrats take control, even if it's Pelosi, right, which makes me shudder in some ways, but still, because of Pelosi's ambition and her envy and her hatred, And so forth.

01:36:57.000 She and her people like her are going to have to start significant oversight hearings. 1.00

01:37:03.000 And that's the classic subpoena, right?

01:37:04.000 Do just take them.

01:37:05.000 You show up and you bring these documents.

01:37:08.000 What did George Bush know and when did he know it?

01:37:10.000 Let's go to calls.

01:37:11.000 Let's talk to Cecil in Nevada.

01:37:13.000 Cecil, thank you for holding.

01:37:15.000 Go ahead.

01:37:16.000 Hi, Alex.

01:37:17.000 Thanks so much for having me on.

01:37:18.000 I really appreciate it.

01:37:19.000 I've been trying to get here for a couple of weeks.

01:37:21.000 I'll make this as quick as I can.

01:37:23.000 I want to preface my disagreement with you with I think the work that you're doing is very important.

01:37:28.000 Well, I appreciate that, but you don't have to preface it.

01:37:31.000 I mean, I am wrong sometimes.

01:37:32.000 I need help.

01:37:33.000 Well, this is a very sore spot with you.

01:37:35.000 I've heard you talk about it a number of times, and I just want you to know that even though I take the position that I do, I still promote you, your Terror Storm, all of your programming and so forth and so on.

01:37:50.000 I recognize it for the truth.

01:37:53.000 Let me guess, as Christians, we shouldn't fight evil, or is it something like that?

01:37:57.000 That's the one.

01:37:57.000 You got it.

01:37:58.000 You know it.

01:37:59.000 You knew it was coming.

01:38:00.000 And what I'd like to see you do, Mr. Jones, if you would, there's a gentleman by the name of William P. Grady.

01:38:07.000 I don't know whether you're familiar with him or not, but I would like to see if you couldn't get him on the show and kind of hash this thing out, because he pretty much has the position that you do, with the exception of Just not being able to turn this thing around.

01:38:22.000 And I agree with him.

01:38:23.000 I agree with you that work you do is important, and I don't think it should stop.

01:38:27.000 I think we should know the truth, but I don't think it's going to get turned around.

01:38:30.000 I think it's important for the people to... Well, listen, regardless of that, we need to wake people up so they're not part of this evil system, so they don't get hurt by it.

01:38:38.000 I agree.

01:38:38.000 And, you know, I mean, the whole Bible is about people getting killed or imprisoned for standing up against evil government.

01:38:45.000 So you're saying you disagree with me?

01:38:46.000 I mean, what's the...

01:38:48.000 I disagree with you in the fact that this can be turned around.

01:38:54.000 Let's say this, Nineveh was given a hundred year reprieve. 0.55

01:38:57.000 You got that right.

01:38:59.000 Jonah paid for doing that though, I'll tell you.

01:39:03.000 I understand that, but I'd like to see you have Grady on and just talk about that.

01:39:07.000 I think he would probably come on your program.

01:39:09.000 I'm not like that.

01:39:11.000 Just talk about the differences that you have in that.

01:39:13.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:39:14.000 I mean, you're having a serious discussion with me.

01:39:16.000 You know, when they call in, they've got this cant in their voice, and they're like, we're not supposed to fight back, Alex.

01:39:20.000 Join us.

01:39:21.000 No, no, no.

01:39:22.000 Join the board.

01:39:23.000 No, no, no, no.

01:39:24.000 I'm not like that. 0.84

01:39:25.000 Many of the people that I am with, however, that I associate with are under that impression, and, of course, they think I'm a nutcase, a fruitcake.

01:39:35.000 Well, listen, listen.

01:39:36.000 I've got to jump, but I appreciate your call, and I'm sorry you had trouble getting through.

01:39:39.000 I want to go to more calls.

01:39:40.000 Webster, you've got the Christian Church that was the backbone of the war against the British in 1776, that was the backbone against slavery, that's been the backbone of so many great movements, suffrage in this country, Now co-opted into different camps.

01:39:54.000 One of them is bush worship. 0.76

01:39:56.000 He literally has been likened to Jesus.

01:39:58.000 He is now worshipped as a living demigod saint.

01:40:04.000 Absolute pagan blasphemy, of course. 0.96

01:40:06.000 Yeah, it is.

01:40:07.000 But then there's other groups.

01:40:08.000 There's those that say he's the devil's henchman, but we shouldn't fight evil, we should lay down.

01:40:13.000 And then there's those that are just totally punched out and aren't even involved.

01:40:17.000 And there are Christians fighting evil, the biggest group in the country. 1.00

01:40:19.000 I mean, can you comment to that?

01:40:22.000 I would say this is the danger of taking one line of scripture and trying to turn it against the entire corpus.

01:40:27.000 It's why you need to read things in a way that is other than literal or fundamental.

01:40:32.000 You've got to look at the whole body.

01:40:34.000 The whole issue of Christianity is a resistance movement against the horrors of the collapsing Roman Empire.

01:40:40.000 And I think if you look at David Ray Griffin's recent book on the subject, he's got a whole part about the US as a demonic power And how Christianity, if it's going to be faithful to its origins, has got to resist this kind of imperialism.

01:40:55.000 In other words, the notion of an empire reduces people to cattle, and this, it violates the commandment of love your neighbor, and the famous commandments about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, housing the homeless, visiting the sick, visiting prisoners, burying the dead, in other words, charity.

01:41:13.000 It's a violation of charity up and down the line.

01:41:16.000 Also, standing before the king and saying you're a piece of filth, I mean, that's part of it too.

01:41:23.000 You've got to resist evil. 0.96

01:41:24.000 You've got to resist evil in an intelligent way.

01:41:28.000 I think there's no doubt about it.

01:41:29.000 I think, again, David Ray Griffin is a pretty good theologian, and I think he makes that argument in a convincing way.

01:41:35.000 Let's talk to Darrell in Montana.

01:41:38.000 Go ahead, sir.

01:41:38.000 You're on the air.

01:41:39.000 Hey, Alex.

01:41:40.000 Hi.

01:41:41.000 Hey, I kind of come from a whole different premise, but I've been trying to get in for a couple days and I didn't want to interrupt your guest.

01:41:48.000 Hey, we're all over the map.

01:41:49.000 Sure, go ahead.

01:41:50.000 Basically, the problem with society as a whole, they forget that evil, besides being manifested in the physical form, all exists in other levels of consciousness as well.

01:42:03.000 And part of the problem with society today is we seem to forget that.

01:42:08.000 Everyone wants to fight it in the physical, but it's the underlying... Well, I'll say this.

01:42:15.000 We fight evil, it starts at home.

01:42:17.000 Charity starts at home.

01:42:18.000 Not fighting with your wife, not being greedy, not being petty, not being insecure.

01:42:22.000 Yeah, I mean, I agree.

01:42:24.000 It starts inside your chest.

01:42:26.000 And when you went to Bohemian Grove, did you feel the evil from the statue?

01:42:32.000 Oh, that whole place?

01:42:33.000 Old men? 0.98

01:42:33.000 I mean, people can watch it and say, oh, it's just a bunch of old men dressed up in red and black rubs. 0.98

01:42:38.000 I mean, let me just comment. 1.00

01:42:39.000 Red and black rubs acting like a bunch of idiots getting drunk. 1.00

01:42:42.000 No, no, no, no, no. 1.00

01:42:43.000 I was in the crowd of men.

01:42:44.000 They were killing it.

01:42:45.000 Oh, yes.

01:42:46.000 Oh, no.

01:42:47.000 They get an adrenaline rush and they get pumped up from it because the evil rewards its servants.

01:42:53.000 Part of the problem with Religion, and I'm not slamming you as being a Christian, is we forget that.

01:42:59.000 We forget that the mass consciousness of this planet right now is all looking for an outward being, a Christ or whatever, to come and save it.

01:43:10.000 And to be honest with you, most of these so-called politicians that consider themselves Christians, they laugh when you call upon the name of Jesus.

01:43:18.000 They just, you know, just shrug it off and say, well, you know, that doesn't exist.

01:43:23.000 If you look at the universe, and I'll make it brief, but if you look at the universe and what's been going on in the last, oh, ten years, science has discovered so many more new galaxies and solar systems, and kind of just the short premise, the essence of the One, whether you want to place a label on it as call it God or whatever, is coming this direction, and that is why the darkness is working so fervently Well, I appreciate your call.

01:43:51.000 I've got to move on.

01:43:53.000 I've got a lot of callers here.

01:43:54.000 It's weird how we have themes.

01:43:56.000 I can be talking about one thing and then it's a theme of religion or a theme of this.

01:43:59.000 But in the real world, in this physical fourth dimension or third dimension, you can sit here and you can look At how the technology's threatening the elite, but also a double-edged sword against us.

01:44:13.000 How they're losing control at every level.

01:44:15.000 I mean, the elite is worried, but they also have that hubris.

01:44:18.000 Do you think that hubris will be there in doing, Webster? 1.00

01:44:21.000 I think the neocons are the politically stupidest people we've ever seen. 0.99

01:44:26.000 They think that if you bomb Iran, that will somehow turn the Iranians against the mullahs. 1.00

01:44:31.000 And it won't.

01:44:31.000 It'll do the opposite.

01:44:32.000 About evil.

01:44:33.000 We have various brands of evil.

01:44:35.000 Right now, we've had one A single faction of a single brand of evil has been controlling all the institutions, the presidency, the two houses of congress, and the courts for six years.

01:44:47.000 And we need a separation of powers to separate evil.

01:44:50.000 And we have, it's a basic conservative argument that we've got to get back to divided government, the checks and balances, the way the system is supposed to work.

01:44:50.000 Right.

01:44:58.000 Now, you can say, Yeah, but the Democrats are evil. 0.99

01:45:02.000 Yes, in many ways they're another brand of evil. 0.95

01:45:04.000 But what we have to then do is play one brand of evil against the other.

01:45:08.000 With this, we can probably diminish the net amount of evil in the universe.

01:45:12.000 And what I'm looking forward to is when the Democratic House, which I think will come about, I hope it will, when they issue their first subpoenas to Bush administration officials on everything from 9-11 to Iraq, to Katrina, to prescription drugs, to habeas corpus, Pfizer, NSA wiretaps.

01:45:30.000 Somebody like David Addington in Cheney's office is going to say, no, we won't do it.

01:45:35.000 We're not coming.

01:45:36.000 And then you're going to have a constitutional crisis.

01:45:36.000 You get no job.

01:45:38.000 You're going to have a constitutional crisis.

01:45:39.000 You'll have contempt of Congress, and it'll be impeachment.

01:45:43.000 Not because Pelosi doesn't want it.

01:45:44.000 She said she doesn't want it.

01:45:45.000 But here's the problem.

01:45:46.000 Pelosi's shown he'll hit the entire Congress with another huge anthrax attack.

01:45:51.000 Well, and then let them fight.

01:45:53.000 But that kind of fight is better.

01:45:54.000 And the thing that I also think is important is concerning the Democrats, You've got the Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, warmonger position.

01:46:02.000 You've also got the Mertha position, which I think is much more moderate.

01:46:05.000 What do you think of this new guy, Obama?

01:46:08.000 I wouldn't trust him at all.

01:46:10.000 I think he's an unprincipled opportunist.

01:46:13.000 Yeah, he's basically a footstool for Hillary. 0.57

01:46:17.000 I think so.

01:46:19.000 But the issue is, if the Democratic Party, with a lot of the hand-picked candidates of Rahm Emanuel, If they try to continue the war, or support a wider war, that will destroy the Democratic Party over the next two years.

01:46:33.000 Yeah, so we're seeing a prime move now into a real third party, or true second party.

01:46:39.000 If the Democratic Party fails that test, it will cease to exist, and this is all part of this party realignment.

01:46:45.000 We've got to remember for the past 40 years, since about 68, 70, or thereabouts, we've been living Under a party system dominated by reaction and the collapse of the labor movement and political apathy, as you well point out.

01:46:58.000 Yeah, but let me go back, well I agree, but let me go back for a moment to God and evil and all of this, because so many people are scared right now and people get more towards their faith, which is a good thing.

01:47:09.000 But it's not a real faith, folks.

01:47:11.000 It's a counterfeit.

01:47:13.000 If God's telling you to lay down and not get involved, then God will do it.

01:47:16.000 God says you go out and you have faith and you take action and you stand up against adversity, and then I'll be with you.

01:47:22.000 And so for people who think that God's going to do it, all of history and common sense and the law of nature that God has set in motion shows that God rewards those that help themselves.

01:47:36.000 Isn't that true, Webster?

01:47:39.000 One is to love God.

01:47:39.000 Yes.

01:47:40.000 This is safe.

01:47:41.000 But there's also that second one that says, love your neighbor.

01:47:45.000 That means good work.

01:47:46.000 That means clothe the naked, feed the hungry, house the homeless, and the rest of it. 1.00

01:47:51.000 And if you're not doing the second one, you're not fulfilling.

01:47:54.000 So you've got to do that part too.

01:47:56.000 And that means practical action in the here and now.

01:48:00.000 Yeah, I don't know how we got into this position of everybody just saying, oh, I'm a non-actor in history, I'm going to step out of the flow of history.

01:48:07.000 You can't step out of the flow of history.

01:48:09.000 Folks are going to be run over.

01:48:10.000 And that, again, that is not what Christianity was at the beginning.

01:48:14.000 That is not how it was forged in this terrible crucible of the Roman Empire, with Nero and Caligula running around.

01:48:20.000 Yeah, marrying their horses, sweating children's throats, gobbling their blood. 0.70

01:48:24.000 Exactly, and we're not far from that now.

01:48:26.000 And for those who don't know, that really happened in Rome.

01:48:28.000 Why don't you talk about Caligula?

01:48:30.000 Well, I have, one of my chapters in the Bush book is that Bush, the elder, is American Caligula.

01:48:37.000 They would essentially, he would go to the theater of Marcellus in Rome, and they would have a theatrical spectacle, and if the script called for somebody to die, it said let's, you know, at this point somebody's crucified, well that guy would really die.

01:48:50.000 And then can you imagine going to the Circus Maximus and presiding over the Battles of Gladiators, where hundreds and hundreds of people would be killed As a part of an afternoon's entertainment for the greater benefit of the Emperor.

01:49:04.000 Remember, they used to say, Pana metrecense, bread and circuses, was what the Roman mob wanted.

01:49:11.000 Again, we have got to take urgent measures to prevent society from getting... Well, I'm sure, because you speak fluent Italian and have been over there a lot and are into it.

01:49:19.000 What about Nero would dress up like a werewolf and eat children at parties, gobbling them?

01:49:25.000 I mean, this is just...

01:49:26.000 He would disguise himself and go out in the streets and commit wanton murders, but he also thought he had to be the greatest opera singer in the world, and if anybody beat him in an opera contest, that person would be found dead the next day.

01:49:40.000 Did you ever read the part about dressing up like the werewolf?

01:49:43.000 I think a lot of it is from Suetonius, right?

01:49:45.000 The lives of the Twelve Caesars, but we also have Tacitus' Annals of Imperial Rome.

01:49:49.000 Yeah, we're about to go live.

01:49:50.000 We'll be right back.

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01:53:18.000 Webster, let's cram in some final calls.

01:53:21.000 I hope everybody visits Infowars.com and gets your book.

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01:53:28.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Barney in Maryland.

01:53:32.000 Barney, I'd heard from you in a while.

01:53:34.000 How are you doing today?

01:53:35.000 Yeah, afternoon.

01:53:37.000 I was just wondering if you were aware of the fact that Don King, that was a big player in Don DeCamp's investigation out in Omaha, Nebraska, Of the pedophile race.

01:53:53.000 You mean Larry King?

01:53:54.000 Not of Larry King singing in a big black guy named Larry King?

01:53:57.000 Right.

01:53:57.000 Yeah.

01:53:58.000 Well, this guy in Maryland, he appears to be the same one with the bushy hair and a white promoter, and he's endorsed... No, it's not the same.

01:54:07.000 It's not the same Don King.

01:54:08.000 Larry King.

01:54:09.000 Not the same guy, but since you talk about Maryland politics, I'm up to my neck in this.

01:54:14.000 And again, the issue again with Michael Steele trying to get the seat in the In the Senate here against Ben Cardin is that Michael Steele is attempting to present himself as some kind of a stand-up comedian, rather than another warmonger vote for Bush.

01:54:31.000 In other words, a member of that same lockstep.

01:54:34.000 Marty, what's on your mind specifically?

01:54:36.000 Well, I just wanted to know if this guy Don King was the same one that was there in the butterfly ring.

01:54:43.000 You know, it's funny, they look a lot alike, but no, Larry King and Don King are two different men.

01:54:47.000 I think that's it.

01:54:48.000 I'm sorry about that.

01:54:50.000 Hey, you've got to ask the question to find out, brother.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, brother.

01:54:53.000 Thank you.

01:54:54.000 Thank you.

01:54:55.000 Barney's a good World War II vet.

01:54:56.000 I should ask him what he thinks of HR 6166.

01:54:59.000 Barney's been calling me for 10 years.

01:55:00.000 Let's go ahead and I haven't heard from him in about a year either, Barney.

01:55:03.000 We call back more often than that.

01:55:05.000 Let's talk to Zach in New York.

01:55:07.000 Hello, Alex.

01:55:08.000 Hello, Zach.

01:55:09.000 You're on with Webster Tarpley.

01:55:11.000 I remember when they finally passed that legislation that Bush signed, the D.T.D.

01:55:16.000 Act, you spoke of looking at your kids all night and thinking about leaving, and if you were to decide to go or you were going to counsel someone who had made the decision to go or were advising family members to leave, I was wondering where would be the Well, I'm not giving up the fort, I'm not abandoning the ship, but I think we have a good chance of winning.

01:55:34.000 I'm just saying it makes you think about evacuating your family, that I added the proviso to the end of it, that there's nowhere really to run.

01:55:41.000 I mean, Webster, if you were going to run, where would you run to?

01:55:44.000 I wouldn't think of running right now.

01:55:46.000 I would think about repealing that monstrosity that has abolished habeas corpus.

01:55:50.000 It means that Bush can declare anybody, you, me, the lamppost, enemy combatants, Off to Guantanamo, key thrown away.

01:55:58.000 You say, but I'm a citizen.

01:55:59.000 You'll never get a hearing to prove that you're a citizen.

01:56:01.000 They'll say, you're really not a citizen.

01:56:03.000 You're some kind of a, you know, somebody who was smuggled in.

01:56:06.000 The other question, of course, is we've got a, looks like a fascist majority on the Supreme Court.

01:56:11.000 You can do two things about that.

01:56:13.000 You can impeach Supreme Court judges, or you can pack them, one or the other, or both.

01:56:18.000 Pack them in.

01:56:18.000 Pack in some new judges.

01:56:20.000 FDR tried to do it.

01:56:21.000 Would have been a good thing then.

01:56:22.000 Might get necessary now in the weeks and months ahead.

01:56:26.000 We have a known mob boss, Scalia, who literally does the meh symbol of reporters.

01:56:32.000 I mean, he's something else.

01:56:35.000 It's an absolute low.

01:56:36.000 I mean, I guess, you know, we've had very severe problems with the Supreme Court.

01:56:40.000 It's always been the most reactionary branch.

01:56:42.000 Thank you, Jack.

01:56:43.000 And he said you can deal with it.

01:56:44.000 Alright, David in Oklahoma, quickly, go ahead.

01:56:50.000 Yes, sir, you've got about 30 seconds.

01:56:52.000 I was going to make a comment about the caller that called in earlier.

01:56:56.000 Yes, go ahead.

01:56:57.000 There is a report out of KOCO at Oklahoma City that the Secret Service will be showing up in schools to give security updates and tell them how they can upgrade their security around the schoolhouse.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, the feds are taking control of the schools, yeah.

01:57:13.000 And there was a plan I reported on three years ago that if there's a natural disaster or terror attack, they're going to take your children to FEMA camps and then make you come and enroll yourself to get them back.

01:57:23.000 Thank you for the call.

01:57:24.000 Webster Tarpley, thank you for spending time with us.

01:57:26.000 Always a pleasure, Alex.

01:57:27.000 More power to you.

01:57:28.000 More power to you, my friend.

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01:57:56.000 Well, so does he.

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01:58:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:05.000 He's scheduled in this hour...

01:58:26.000 We talked to him this morning.

01:58:27.000 He's coming to Austin for the Texas Book Festival.

01:58:30.000 Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, who's criticized the IMF and World Bank's policies.

01:58:37.000 With huge guests like this, though, I really should never announce it.

01:58:39.000 Every time I do announce a big globalist guest, it gets scanned.

01:58:42.000 We'll see if we get him on.

01:58:43.000 We're trying him right now.

01:58:46.000 He's also probably accustomed to radio interviews starting at five after, but we're working on getting him right now, and we'll also be taking your phones throughout this hour.

01:58:53.000 We had Aaron Russo on in the last hour and a half, an amazing individual, and we had a caller call in earlier who doesn't believe in the North American Union, who doesn't believe in any of this stuff.

01:59:04.000 He just thinks we're making it all up.

01:59:08.000 And I've learned about the North American Union for, I guess I learned of it about 13 years ago, and I just can't believe that now it's in effect.

01:59:16.000 And people are in denial.

01:59:18.000 They just cannot, they cannot interface with reality.

01:59:23.000 They are in abject, willful denial.

01:59:29.000 I remember back, oh I guess it was in 2002, in fact I have the article here, March 4, 2002, InfoWars.com, The World Bank and Secret Argentine Plan, transcript of Greg Palast, journalist for BBC and observer in London, And you go through the transcript of the interview with Greg Palast going over what those documents meant that were released soon after Joseph Stiglitz left the World Bank.

02:00:00.000 Well, I'll tell you two things.

02:00:02.000 One, I spoke with the former Chief Economist Joe Stiglitz, who was fired by the World Bank, so I on BBC with The Guardian basically spent some time debriefing him.

02:00:10.000 It was like one of the scenes out of Mission Impossible, you know, where the guy comes over from the other side and you spend hours debriefing him.

02:00:16.000 So I got the inside of what was happening at the World Bank.

02:00:19.000 In addition, he did Not brief me, but I got some other sources.

02:00:23.000 He would not give me inside documents, but other people handed me a giant stash of secret documents from the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

02:00:31.000 And it goes on to say that, and so one of the things that is happening is that in fact, I was supposed to be on CNN with the head of the World Bank, Jim Wilkinson, it's now Paul Wolfowitz.

02:00:44.000 I guess you could have Wolf in your name to be there.

02:00:46.000 And he said he would not appear on CNN even if they put me on.

02:00:49.000 And so CNN did the craziest thing and pulled me off.

02:00:52.000 So now they're threatening total boycott.

02:00:54.000 Yeah, right.

02:00:55.000 So what we found was this.

02:00:57.000 We found inside these documents that basically they required nations to sign secret agreements in which they agreed to sell off their key assets in which they agreed to take economic steps which are really devastating to the nations involved.

02:01:10.000 And if they didn't agree to these steps There was an average for each nation that signed 100 to 11 items, 111 items that they are required to sign off on.

02:01:21.000 If they didn't follow these steps, they would be cut off from all international borrowing.

02:01:25.000 You can't borrow any money in the international marketplace.

02:01:28.000 Now, no one could survive without borrowing.

02:01:30.000 And he goes on in the next, what, 10 pages, or the transcript is even longer than that, to break down what these documents entail.

02:01:38.000 He put a lot of them on BBC, but there was a news blackout with this.

02:01:42.000 We've always wanted to get Joseph Stiglitz on the show.

02:01:46.000 We're trying to get him on right now.

02:01:48.000 Have you had any luck yet?

02:01:49.000 It just rings and rings and rings and rings.

02:01:53.000 Of course, more often than somebody just not coming on, more often we get our time zone scrambled.

02:01:57.000 But I was at the office an hour before air time when Kevin Smith was on the phone with Stiglitz talking about the interview.

02:02:06.000 So he was scheduled.

02:02:09.000 We'll continue to try to get him on.

02:02:11.000 If not, we'll have open phones in this third hour.

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02:02:36.000 We'll be right back on the other side of this quick break.

02:02:38.000 Start going to your calls and hopefully getting Joseph Stiglitz on.

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02:05:45.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

02:05:52.000 We're trying to hook up a Nobel Prize winner, Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist, World Bank.

02:05:59.000 Either got our time zone scrambled or I've talked about it.

02:06:01.000 Whenever I have a big guest in the past, I've learned to keep my mouth shut until they just suddenly appear.

02:06:05.000 And I think if I would have done that, he'd been there.

02:06:07.000 But a lot of times they find out who I am and freak out and don't come on.

02:06:12.000 But we'll see what happens.

02:06:13.000 If not, there's no telling.

02:06:15.000 We get about 95% of the guests on that we do set up, but we'll see.

02:06:19.000 It's always best when setting them up just to give them no information.

02:06:23.000 But we try our best to do that without being dishonest with people.

02:06:27.000 Let's go ahead and go back to your calls.

02:06:29.000 Joe had called in.

02:06:29.000 We ran out of time last hour.

02:06:31.000 I said, behold, we let him finish.

02:06:33.000 He's calling in about some manual about voting or something.

02:06:36.000 Go ahead, Joe.

02:06:37.000 Yeah, I've got the manual right in front of me, and it has procedures for everything.

02:06:41.000 Okay, what manual?

02:06:43.000 Whose manual?

02:06:44.000 The state of Wisconsin.

02:06:45.000 It's pretty much state standardized, but for each city it'll be a little different.

02:06:51.000 For people that can take time off on Tuesday.

02:06:56.000 Our polls are going to be open from 7 until 8 o'clock.

02:06:59.000 I understand.

02:07:00.000 What does the manual do?

02:07:01.000 Just tell us.

02:07:03.000 It's the Election Commission Poll Worker Training Manual.

02:07:06.000 For this year, it's have a certifier or whatever, so we've got those... But poll workers have no control over the wireless connections and hookups and... Actually, we don't have those kind of machines.

02:07:17.000 We just have the Scantron ones.

02:07:19.000 We still have the paper ballots.

02:07:20.000 Because they're just as bad, you feed them in, and it's then put on computer that can be manipulated.

02:07:25.000 Well, the thing is, if anybody wants a recount, we've got those ballots on hand, but they have to refeed, because we are... You're refeeding with the same county clerk stealing the election.

02:07:35.000 Well, that's why we also have the observers.

02:07:39.000 And if somebody wants to be an observer, They cannot keep you out.

02:07:43.000 Now, if you have like 20 or 30 of them, that's why it's good to become an observer early on so that they don't say, well, we've already got 20 people.

02:07:51.000 Sorry.

02:07:52.000 So you have to document everything.

02:07:54.000 If you read through the manual, it'll say step by step.

02:07:58.000 And if somebody goes beyond that, if they add something they're not supposed to, if they take something out that they're not supposed to, make sure you catch it on tape.

02:08:06.000 And you can demand to have a police officer come and arrest them for election fraud.

02:08:11.000 Or at least give them a warning.

02:08:13.000 Look, you know, you've been caught doing this.

02:08:15.000 And it'll look horrible on the news for anybody if somebody sees ballots going someplace they're not supposed to.

02:08:15.000 Don't.

02:08:22.000 I mean, this is just to protect your rights.

02:08:26.000 And if you don't... Sure.

02:08:27.000 Well, I mean, and I appreciate your call.

02:08:29.000 People should get involved in the election process to see it for themselves.

02:08:32.000 I volunteered in... what was it?

02:08:37.000 1998 and 1988 and I was there and I saw in the Republican primary that was at the Austin Convention Center I saw cases I mean I was there stacking the Scantrons to make sure they were being stacked correctly on the right order facing the right direction and then be fed into the automated It looks just like a college or high school, you know, exam system.

02:09:06.000 You know, A, B, or C, or whatever.

02:09:09.000 And then it's fed through and read by a computer.

02:09:11.000 Optical scanner is the proper term.

02:09:13.000 And then put into a computer.

02:09:15.000 And I mean, Pat Buchanan had more than half.

02:09:18.000 I mean, it was, because I have to admit, I was stacking them.

02:09:20.000 I was looking.

02:09:21.000 I was asking other people.

02:09:22.000 I was saying, what are you seeing, Pat Buchanan?

02:09:27.000 And you're sitting there, and then I'd take them and cram them in the machine.

02:09:32.000 And then it came out that night he got 8% of the vote in Travis County.

02:09:36.000 And then they caught him in Arizona and other places where he'd really won.

02:09:39.000 They stole it from him.

02:09:40.000 I mean, Pat Buchanan won the Republican primary.

02:09:43.000 He should have been the Republican candidate running against Bill Clinton.

02:09:48.000 Not the corpse they ran, Bob Dole.

02:09:51.000 You know, the consummate insider.

02:09:54.000 And that didn't happen.

02:09:56.000 It was all over the country they stole it from Pat Buchanan because he has the popular ideas.

02:10:00.000 He's a populist.

02:10:01.000 He's what the people want.

02:10:04.000 And he's predominantly anti-war, anti-Federal Reserve, anti-open borders, anti-globalist.

02:10:09.000 He's what Republicans want.

02:10:10.000 They don't want Bob Dole.

02:10:12.000 So it's been going on forever.

02:10:14.000 And I'm told we've got another number for Stiglitz.

02:10:18.000 Did you have any luck?

02:10:21.000 You're getting him right now.

02:10:22.000 He told me that a few minutes ago.

02:10:23.000 I'm sitting here, salivating.

02:10:27.000 Well, we have him!

02:10:28.000 Better late than never.

02:10:29.000 We're so honored to have him.

02:10:31.000 Well, it's great to be here.

02:10:32.000 is Making Globalization Work.

02:10:34.000 One of the other big bestsellers he had was Globalization, and it's a disconnect.

02:10:39.000 Joseph E. Stiglitz, Dr. Stiglitz, won the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his economic ideas and theorems.

02:10:48.000 I really think it's better for him to introduce himself, the most important points, because if I tried to go through all his letters and laurels, we'd be here for all day.

02:10:55.000 Thank you for coming on, sir.

02:10:57.000 Well, it's great to be here.

02:10:58.000 Sorry about the confusion.

02:11:00.000 Well, that happens sometimes.

02:11:01.000 It's probably on our end.

02:11:03.000 Just in a nutshell, sir, tell us about yourself.

02:11:06.000 Well, I'm an economist.

02:11:10.000 My theoretical work, for which I got the Nobel Prize, was called The Economics of Asymmetric Information or Imperfect Information.

02:11:17.000 It's about how markets work when some people know more than others, which is the case in all markets.

02:11:26.000 And what was so remarkable is that for 200 years, economic theory had been developed on the assumption of perfect information.

02:11:34.000 And it was just hoped that a world with imperfect information would be almost like a world with perfect information.

02:11:41.000 And I showed that that was obviously not the case.

02:11:45.000 But then the other thing I did is I was asked by President Clinton to serve on his Council of Economic Advisors and eventually I served as the Chairman of the Council, which is his chief economic advisor for economic policy and a whole range of issues I dealt with.

02:12:04.000 And then after leaving that, in 1997, I went on to work at the World Bank as their Chief Economist and Senior Vice President, which is where I got really very deeply involved in the issues of globalization, which I wrote about in my book, Globalization is Discontent, in my more recent book, Making Globalization Work.

02:12:23.000 And rather than get into complex theorems and the unified theory of economics and all of that, because even for myself it's hard to understand, but for our general listening audience, some probably know as much as you do, but most probably don't have even an idea.

02:12:38.000 Can you boil down why you left the World Bank, why you were critical, your term coining the IMF riot, what's wrong with the way that the global system is being administered?

02:12:51.000 Can you crystallize it in maybe a two-minute statement?

02:12:54.000 Well, the most important thesis that I bring out in my new book is that we've become more economically integrated, more interdependent, more dependent on each other, but we don't have the political institutions that can help us address the needs that we have to act cooperatively.

02:13:14.000 We have to act cooperatively as we are one integrated world, world economy.

02:13:20.000 And the result of that is that, quite often, there are big losers. 0.58

02:13:26.000 And we haven't paid enough attention to those losers. 1.00

02:13:29.000 Aren't we really, Dr. Stiglitz, aren't we really seeing modern neo-mercantilism? 0.95

02:13:35.000 Well, we are seeing it in many places around the world.

02:13:38.000 We talk a lot about exports.

02:13:41.000 We want to promote our exports.

02:13:44.000 We don't think about it from a systemic point of view.

02:13:47.000 Our exports are some other country's imports.

02:13:50.000 So if every country just promotes exports, then of course the whole trading system doesn't work.

02:13:57.000 I know you're not here to dish dirt, but you did back in 2002 when you left as their chief economist at the World Bank.

02:14:04.000 What was your major... I mean, I have the transcripts here and things you've written, but in your words, why did you leave the World Bank?

02:14:11.000 What do you think they're doing that's wrong?

02:14:13.000 I mean, the predatory practices, the IMF World Bank documents that got That came out shortly after you left in the BBC, your meeting with Greg Pallas, where, you know, it's this predatory system of going in and blowing out economies, so global financial corporations can come in and just take over.

02:14:30.000 Yeah, that's one way of putting it.

02:14:31.000 The more fundamental thing was that the whole system was rigged against the poor countries, rigged for the advanced industrial countries, and that the result of that is that there were an awful lot of losers.

02:14:46.000 To give you one example, the last round of trade agreements was so unfair that the poorest countries in the world were actually left worse off.

02:14:57.000 So while the advanced industrial countries, the big multinational corporations came out as big winners, there were unfortunately a lot of people who were losers.

02:15:10.000 But the documents that were released, I mean the premeditated nature of this, who were the players that are behind, you know, not just rigging it where the industrialized corporations that control the industrialized first world systems, I mean really it's a type of weight, you know, the IMF riot.

02:15:27.000 You're bringing in conditions that cause even greater collapses for greater consolidation.

02:15:31.000 Well that's right.

02:15:35.000 Part of the problem is they had an agenda that they talked about called privatization and liberalization.

02:15:39.000 Privatization meant selling off government assets, assets that had been invested in over decades to foreign companies, often at a fraction of their true market value.

02:15:54.000 So while the citizens of the country had worked hard, saved, invested that money over a period of 20-30 years, When they sold the assets, the citizens of that country got almost nothing for those assets.

02:16:11.000 Other cases where water is a basic necessity of life... They would cripple it in a week, as you wrote.

02:16:18.000 I mean, the private corporation pays off the politician, basically, pays off the government, and then seizes the infrastructure, and then jacks up prices.

02:16:26.000 I mean, what happened with many of these cases, they had privatization before regulation.

02:16:26.000 That's right.

02:16:32.000 At least we understand that if you're going to have a natural monopoly, a company selling electricity, if you have only one company doing it, you need to regulate it.

02:16:43.000 And what happened in the IMF didn't understand what we do here in the United States and what every other advanced industrial country does.

02:16:51.000 If you're going to have a monopoly, you have to make sure that it doesn't overcharge.

02:16:55.000 So they privatized these government enterprises, didn't put in the regulation, And sometimes the result of that is that the prices increased enormously.

02:17:04.000 And then the predatory nature was so great it would even then debase the economy to the point of where the privatization went belly up.

02:17:11.000 There were many cases of that kind, but the example in Mexico next door, they privatized the roads. 0.76

02:17:20.000 And then, of course, they weren't able to maintain those roads, and the government had to, again, take over the roads after the company had collapsed.

02:17:27.000 Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist, World Bank.

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02:17:31.000 Quick break.

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02:22:18.000 Welcome back.

02:22:20.000 Dr. Joseph Stiglitz is our guest.

02:22:22.000 He's got a new book out.

02:22:22.000 We'll tell you about it before he leaves us.

02:22:24.000 He'll be here with us for about 40, 45 hours or so.

02:22:27.000 And we are honored to have him again.

02:22:29.000 You mentioned roads.

02:22:30.000 You were telling a story about Mexico, quote, privatizing roads.

02:22:33.000 Please continue, Doctor.

02:22:35.000 Well, the point was a very simple one.

02:22:37.000 They sold the roads to the private enterprise and the hope was that They would be more efficient.

02:22:46.000 Of course, what happens is that they didn't maintain the roads, they couldn't generate enough revenue, and they eventually added default, turned the roads back to the government.

02:22:57.000 There have been lots of other examples.

02:22:59.000 Mexico has provided a number.

02:23:01.000 One of the more disastrous was they privatized the banks.

02:23:07.000 The argument, again, was that they would be more efficient.

02:23:11.000 In many cases, that happens.

02:23:12.000 But in the case of Mexico, the way they privatized led to a major banking collapse.

02:23:20.000 The government had to bail out.

02:23:21.000 A lot of people wound up with a lot of money outside of Mexico.

02:23:26.000 Chase Manhattan Citibank.

02:23:28.000 And it cost the people of Mexico an amount equivalent to about 40% of GDP.

02:23:34.000 It's really one of the greatest robberies that have ever occurred.

02:23:37.000 Exactly, and that was well publicized.

02:23:40.000 Now, speaking of roads, I was going to bring that up, but not Mexico.

02:23:43.000 Here, the Spanish company Centra does sweetheart deals, and they've done the calculations even mainstream news has, for about 5% of the true value of existing roads, they're being ceded them

02:23:54.000 But we're talking existing major arteries, and being given them to put transponders in the cars, taxes at exorbitant levels, to fund a lot of North American Union projects, some of the government funding goes into that, the new SPP, Security Prosperity Partnership, that's come out, and so I'm now seeing the same IMF World Bank vultures coming into the industrialized world.

02:24:16.000 Can you speak to that?

02:24:17.000 Well, this is a movement that's gone all over the world, a movement trying to turn over Basic facilities, water, roads, to the private sector.

02:24:33.000 The reason for it, in part, the good reason is that it's supposedly more efficient.

02:24:37.000 Often turns out not to be the case.

02:24:39.000 The bad reason, which is really driving it, is that the governments today don't have to pay the budget constraints.

02:24:45.000 They get a little bit of money up front.

02:24:47.000 But then the problems are left to future administrations.

02:24:52.000 Isn't it also that 70 plus percent of the stock market ownership is by institutional purchasers and government?

02:25:01.000 I don't know the exact numbers, but increasingly a large fraction of our stock is owned by our pension funds, institutions of that kind.

02:25:12.000 Well, I looked at the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report for Texas a few years ago, and the lion's share was owned by companies.

02:25:18.000 I mean, not companies, but by government.

02:25:21.000 It could be.

02:25:22.000 I don't know.

02:25:23.000 I haven't looked at that particular set of data.

02:25:25.000 Yeah, it's such a huge field in economics.

02:25:28.000 I understand.

02:25:29.000 But can you speak directly to this?

02:25:30.000 So you agree there is a massive move now, not just in the third world, with this so-called privatization that I call hijacking and looting, but now in Europe, the United Kingdom, and the United States, Canada.

02:25:43.000 Yeah, it is.

02:25:44.000 Some of the failures have put a dampener on this movement, and in the UK they privatized the railroads, and everybody today recognizes what a failure that has been.

02:25:54.000 The railroads weren't maintained, the roadbeds weren't maintained, there were a number of accidents, people were killed, and so that a number of people are, on the basis of that experience, are rethinking this policy of privatization.

02:26:08.000 What has caused predatory globalization?

02:26:12.000 What has caused it to shift in such a predatory stance?

02:26:15.000 Well, I think, of course, everybody's always wanted to take advantage of others to the extent that they could.

02:26:23.000 I think the fundamental difference is a free market ideology that is being used, or more accurately, abused by those who have seen how to take advantage of that rhetoric.

02:26:36.000 So, it sounds good to say Well, private enterprises are more efficient than government.

02:26:43.000 But take the Social Security Administration.

02:26:45.000 A couple years ago, there was an attempt to try to privatize Social Security.

02:26:52.000 The fact is, the Social Security Administration is more efficient than any private insurance company, because they don't have to spend all the money on advertising and trying to cream-skim to figure out who's the best risk, who's the worst risk.

02:27:05.000 In the UK, they did privatize the Social Security system and at least part of it.

02:27:13.000 And the result of that was that benefits were reduced 40% because of transaction costs.

02:27:17.000 Dr. Stiglitz, final segment with you on the other side.

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02:30:55.000 All right, I got three or four final questions for Joseph Stiglitz.

02:31:00.000 We'll also tell you about his new book.

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02:31:13.000 Dr. Joseph E. Stiglitz, of course, has written Globalization and its Disconnects.

02:31:17.000 His new book is out, Making Globalization Work.

02:31:20.000 He was the Chief Economist at the World Bank and the Vice President of the World Bank.

02:31:23.000 What do you think of the difference between the last head, Wolftonson, and the new head that we see here from the United States, Paul Wolfowitz?

02:31:38.000 I worked with Wilkinson very closely, and we tried to actually redirect the World Bank to focus more on poor people, reduce poverty, a comprehensive approach to development, to try to cut back a little bit on the privatization, the liberalization, it was called the Washington Consensus, a consensus between the World Bank, the IMF, and the U.S.

02:32:05.000 Treasury about How to run development, but actually an agenda that really failed almost everywhere that it tried.

02:32:15.000 So that was what we were trying.

02:32:18.000 The current administration has not, Wolfowitz has unfortunately not really been able to put together a comprehensive approach to development.

02:32:31.000 It's only emphasized corruption.

02:32:34.000 But it hasn't even put forward a kind of an agenda for dealing with corruption.

02:32:37.000 For instance, there are these secret bank accounts.

02:32:42.000 There was an agreement among the banks in industrial countries to do something about the secret bank accounts that play such an important role in facilitating corruption.

02:32:52.000 But the Bush administration vetoed that.

02:32:56.000 In August of 2001, Of course, in September 2001, we realized that these secret bank accounts not only facilitate corruption, they also facilitate terrorism.

02:33:08.000 But the focus was on increasing the profits of those who engage in tax evasion, all those who use these kinds of bank accounts for nefarious purposes.

02:33:18.000 But that would take a global authority to do that, so I think on the surface, it sounds good, but that would be dangerous.

02:33:24.000 But then it does show that Bush doesn't want to stop all of these other secret bank accounts.

02:33:28.000 What do you think about things like John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman?

02:33:33.000 Have you read that book?

02:33:35.000 I haven't read all of it.

02:33:36.000 I mean, what he's raising, the basic point that he's raising is that a lot of the aid Do what you're supposed to do.

02:33:47.000 Much of it seems to be motivated by the interest of contractors.

02:33:53.000 And I think, unfortunately, there's a certain element of truth in that.

02:33:56.000 There's an overtone in this book, a little bit of a conspiracy.

02:34:00.000 I'm not sure it's as conspiratorial.

02:34:03.000 The effects are much the same as if they were a conspiracy.

02:34:06.000 And the effects are, we've got super powerful global corporations basically buying off even western governments and using the IMF and World Bank monies to basically go in and blow out economies and buy them up.

02:34:17.000 In fact, that was one of my main criticisms, that they push these policies called capital market liberalization that let money, speculative money, to come in, come out.

02:34:27.000 You can't build factories of money that can come in and out overnight, but what you can do That kind of volatility destroyed the economy.

02:34:36.000 The financial markets made money when the money was coming in, then they made money when they had to restructure the devastation that they left behind.

02:34:43.000 What about the North American Union?

02:34:45.000 They've signed it, it's officially now being set up, the Asian Union's been officially announced, but it seems like it's the same corporations that are in there writing up all of the basic laws and tenets of these new global structures, and the people, by and large, aren't even aware of it.

02:35:02.000 Well, I think that is a problem.

02:35:04.000 Part of the thing is, there's something called the North American Pre-Trade Agreement.

02:35:08.000 If it were a real pre-trade agreement, it would just be a couple of pages.

02:35:11.000 We eliminate our tariffs, they eliminate theirs.

02:35:13.000 We eliminate our non-tariff subsidy and our subsidies, they eliminate theirs.

02:35:17.000 But these agreements are thousands of pages.

02:35:20.000 And of course no citizen can read that.

02:35:21.000 Dr. Stiglitz, I mean, whenever we hear North American Union or any of this, this is really just powerful interest groups getting together, rewriting the laws under a new framework that suits them.

02:35:32.000 Well, I think one of my concerns that I raise is that there is not the kind of democratic accountability and transparency that we've come to demand within our own governments.

02:35:45.000 We don't always get it.

02:35:47.000 But these international institutions, for instance, don't have a Freedom of Information Act.

02:35:54.000 Transparency.

02:35:54.000 of the basic protection transparency that we put in place transparency to make sure that citizens can know what is going on and that's one of the points that I emphasize very strongly I both in my old book globalization discontent and in my new book making globalization work let me ask you I got two final questions and I want to plug the book and we'll let

02:36:16.000 I mean, it's here, it's being set up, the three unions are being slowly merged together, but still the mainstream media will call that a conspiracy theory when all the official documents say that this is really being set up.

02:36:28.000 Number one, I mean, what do you say about global government, or how it's forming, and why do you think there's so much denial by people that it's happening?

02:36:36.000 Well, first, the fact that we are economically interdependent does mean that we have to undertake certain actions together.

02:36:46.000 And if we don't, there are some problems that won't be solved.

02:36:48.000 For instance, there were these ozone-destroying gases that were putting holes in the atmosphere, letting in radiation that was causing skin cancer.

02:37:00.000 Absolutely necessary to deal with this problem if you don't want to get cancer.

02:37:04.000 And so there was an agreement, a very Specific agreement only.

02:37:08.000 It doesn't run in the whole world.

02:37:10.000 It just says you can't produce those ozone-destroying gases that lead in.

02:37:14.000 But if you've got a global authority that knocks out secret bank accounts, and then of course that global power can selectively do that, that is the ultimate tenet of global government.

02:37:24.000 What you need is just very limited regulations that restrict certain kinds of bad behavior.

02:37:30.000 But then that's unified.

02:37:32.000 Doctor, that's unified regulations.

02:37:33.000 Well, no they're not.

02:37:34.000 They're just minimal.

02:37:35.000 Let me give you an example.

02:37:37.000 I used to see these old cowboy movies when we were growing up and there would be different states and the bandit would always ride on his horse across the state line and the sheriff couldn't stop him.

02:37:50.000 Well, if you're going to have safe havens for criminals going across state lines, it's not going to be good for our global economic system.

02:38:01.000 So unfortunately, whether you like it or not, we have become interdependent, and that means you have to address some of these problems that go across the borders.

02:38:11.000 Sure, sure.

02:38:12.000 You've got to go in a minute, but what I'm trying to say is this.

02:38:15.000 It's all the mechanisms, the apparatus of the IMF, World Bank, Ex-Im Bank, World Trade Organization, World Health Organization, NATO, all of these are controlled by the same institutions, all the same money powers, and they're all causing the major problems, and then they always have a good cop, and I don't doubt you're probably a nice person, very intelligent, a good cop who comes out and says, we need a loving global framework, and a good one.

02:38:45.000 So, we're given the false choice of a loving global government, or an evil, nasty, fascistic, George Bushian global government, and at the end of the day, what of those of us that don't want interdependence?

02:38:55.000 Those of us that want to be sovereign?

02:38:56.000 I don't think globalization's been good for the U.S. 0.97

02:38:58.000 We've gone from the powerhouse to the, you know, to the uh... crap house, excuse me. 0.90

02:39:03.000 I mean, it's destroying us.

02:39:06.000 Well, in fact, I think, you know, if we hadn't taken advantage of globalization we would actually be much poorer than we are now unfortunately we haven't managed it as well as we should now maybe I'm coming from the west

02:39:22.000 I have a certain Midwest optimism that we can do better and it's clear that we've made some very very big mistakes and you've repeatedly talked about the fact that we've been borrowing borrowing three billion dollars from countries elsewhere But I don't think it's a mistake that he gives these corporations, they're always left with the bag, the taxpayers pick up the tab.

02:39:43.000 Well, I think that's right, and that's why we need more transparency, we need to have more accountability of what our government is doing, we need to know more about what it is doing.

02:39:54.000 But that won't be resolved if we walk away from globalization.

02:39:59.000 Well, I mean, regardless, the leaders of globalization, the people of prime movers, they're always grab the money and run, and it's just a revolving door, and it just keeps happening.

02:40:07.000 I say, you know, go back to the way it was previous, or the Bretton Woods Agreement.

02:40:11.000 You know, get back, I mean, look at what's happening to the dollar.

02:40:14.000 In fact, let me ask you, where do you think the dollar's going, the debt bubble, the real estate market?

02:40:17.000 Down.

02:40:19.000 I mean, I saw the Financial Times of London, what, three months ago, saying that the elite is saying, we've got to position our money to survive during a crash.

02:40:26.000 They're not even saying they can pull us out of it.

02:40:28.000 Now there's only a discussion of them surviving the crash landing.

02:40:31.000 Well, I am increasingly worried.

02:40:33.000 I've been worried about it for some time.

02:40:34.000 Real estate prices last month, new real estate, went down 10%.

02:40:40.000 So do you see a huge correction, global recession or depression?

02:40:45.000 I see a correction, and if it's well managed.

02:40:49.000 It will only be a slowdown.

02:40:50.000 If it's not well-managed, it could be a recession.

02:40:53.000 Okay, last question.

02:40:54.000 We know there are now the biggest splits in the ruling intelligentsia and the main owners of the wealth inside the elite.

02:41:02.000 We see this in publications.

02:41:03.000 We see this in splits.

02:41:05.000 I've talked to people inside.

02:41:06.000 The last Bilderberg Group meeting was in the Canadian press, screaming at each other.

02:41:10.000 Have you ever attended Bilderberg, and have you seen a split in the past?

02:41:14.000 Well, no, I haven't attended that meeting, but there are a lot of disagreements among the elites.

02:41:22.000 One of the things that makes me more optimistic, though, is that there's a beginning to realize that we are facing some serious problems.

02:41:31.000 That we can't go on as we have.

02:41:33.000 But I'm saying the same institutions that have always done the same thing in the past feather their own nest at the expense of the third world and the first world. 0.55

02:41:41.000 It doesn't seem like they're the people to continue.

02:41:44.000 Every time they put us in harm's way, then they come back with a new solution.

02:41:47.000 I mean, take debt forgiveness.

02:41:49.000 I mean, you take, say, Nigeria borrows $5 billion, they end up paying $33 billion, and then now we call it debt forgiveness to cut back some of what they owe.

02:41:57.000 If they've paid $30-something billion off of an initial, you know, $4 or $5 billion, then they don't owe anything!

02:42:03.000 I agree with you on that, and in fact, it's worse than what you describe, because accompanying that debt forgiveness is a whole set of conditions that make them give up their sovereignty.

02:42:13.000 And in some countries, the loans in the first place were We're made for arms payments that go to arms dealers.

02:42:20.000 The money didn't even go to help the people of the country.

02:42:24.000 What elite do you think is preeminent right now in global politics, that is, outside countries?

02:42:29.000 44 of the biggest 100 economies are private corporations.

02:42:31.000 What corporations?

02:42:32.000 Is it Energy?

02:42:33.000 Is it Defense?

02:42:34.000 Is it the people at the Bilderberg Group?

02:42:36.000 The CFR?

02:42:37.000 I mean, who's the most powerful?

02:42:38.000 Who has the most influence right now?

02:42:40.000 Well, I wouldn't try to parse it that way.

02:42:42.000 I wouldn't put it quite that way.

02:42:44.000 All of these groups are powerful and influential.

02:42:47.000 I think, unfortunately, in this current administration, the defense industries and the energy industries have really been running the show, and it has been disastrous.

02:42:59.000 I don't think there's ever been a time in recent history where two groups, two industries like that, have exerted so much influence on policies to such disastrous effects.

02:43:10.000 So there's not enough separation of powers?

02:43:14.000 Well, we still have different groups in Congress.

02:43:20.000 We have the Executive Branch.

02:43:21.000 What do you think of H.R.

02:43:22.000 6166, the Enemy Combatants Military Commissions Act?

02:43:27.000 I'm not sure I know all the details of that.

02:43:30.000 Well, it abolished 9 of the 10 Bill of Rights.

02:43:32.000 That's been toppled.

02:43:33.000 Oh, I know what bill you're talking about.

02:43:35.000 It's the bill I think we're talking about.

02:43:37.000 I don't know the bills by all these numbers.

02:43:39.000 But if it's what I think you're talking about, I think it's a disaster.

02:43:44.000 I grew up... Yeah, but one past three weeks ago, dealing with torture... Exactly.

02:43:50.000 I grew up under the idea that there were certain basic things that defined us as Americans.

02:43:55.000 Innocent until proven guilty.

02:43:56.000 Due process, yeah.

02:43:57.000 Due process, rid of habeas corpus, you can't be put in prison without... 0.58

02:44:02.000 Uh, you know, uh, uh, government bringing charges against you.

02:44:07.000 I think that almost defined us as Americans.

02:44:10.000 Do you think that we are in danger of ending up having what you call the IMF riots someday here in America?

02:44:15.000 Uh, I don't think we're in danger of those kinds of riots, but I do think that we ought to be thinking a lot more about our basic rights and principles.

02:44:25.000 And that bill, as far as I can understand, really did compromise some of our basic rights.

02:44:31.000 And we thought of it as only compromising the rights of some people who were not Americans, but once you start breaking down these principles, you know, there's a basic golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

02:44:44.000 Well, that's what's scary!

02:44:45.000 They said it didn't affect citizens, but it does say in there, it does, sir.

02:44:49.000 Well, and not only that, other countries are going to reciprocate.

02:44:53.000 And Americans are traveling all over the time, you know, doing business in other countries, So in fact, it does put Americans at jeopardy and no matter what you look at it.

02:45:04.000 Do you ever talk to David Rockefeller?

02:45:08.000 Not very often.

02:45:09.000 What's on his mind when you've talked to him?

02:45:13.000 I haven't talked to him recently enough to be able to answer that question.

02:45:16.000 The last time you talked to him, what was he talking about?

02:45:18.000 I can't remember, actually.

02:45:21.000 You're going to be here in Austin this weekend at the Texas Book Festival.

02:45:26.000 Just type Texas Book Festival into Google, folks.

02:45:29.000 You'll find out all about it.

02:45:30.000 You're speaking Sunday at the Capitol, aren't you?

02:45:32.000 That's right.

02:45:33.000 On my book, Making Globalization Work.

02:45:35.000 Well, maybe we'll pop in with the news crew and get a five-minute interview with you from the local TV show.

02:45:40.000 Making globalization work?

02:45:41.000 I think it's a dead horse.

02:45:42.000 I don't think you can make something that's fundamentally been flawed and compromised work.

02:45:47.000 But we are globalized now, so who knows where we're going.

02:45:50.000 We can make it work better.

02:45:53.000 Yeah, I guess so.

02:45:54.000 Maybe.

02:45:54.000 That's true, what we're talking about.

02:45:57.000 Well, you're going to be there speaking about the new book?

02:46:00.000 That's right, and trying to explain how we can make, why it hasn't been working, the ways in which it hasn't been working.

02:46:06.000 And some ideas about how we can make it work better.

02:46:09.000 But they did get mad at you.

02:46:10.000 I mean, some say you left, some say you were fired.

02:46:12.000 What really happened at the World Bank to you?

02:46:15.000 Oh, well, it was a mixture.

02:46:16.000 What they said is that I could stay as long as I didn't say anything and didn't talk to the press, didn't talk on radio.

02:46:24.000 I had originally come there and said, you know, if I'm going to go accept this kind of job, I want to be able to speak my mind, talk about what I think is what ought to be done for Making the world a better place, helping the developing countries, helping the poor in the United States and other advanced industrial countries.

02:46:42.000 They weren't interested in that, and so we amicably parted ways.

02:46:49.000 Did they get mad when all those documents magically were released?

02:46:53.000 Well, people at the IMF were not very happy when I criticized them.

02:47:01.000 I think they were particularly unhappy Because I predicted that certain things would happen as a result of their policies.

02:47:09.000 I turned out to be right.

02:47:10.000 If I'd been wrong, I think they could have forgiven me, but the fact that I was right made them particularly upset.

02:47:16.000 And when you say correction, again, the Financial Times and others are saying they see massive upheaval.

02:47:22.000 I mean, when you say correction, are you talking about, I mean, openly the financial elite are talking about trying to survive what's coming.

02:47:28.000 Do you think the debt bubble will pop, or what's going to happen?

02:47:31.000 Well, I think it all depends on how well this whole thing is managed.

02:47:34.000 There is absolutely no doubt that there is a misalignment, is the euphemism that people use, and that there will be a correction.

02:47:46.000 I think if it's handled well, there'll be a slowdown.

02:47:48.000 We already see a slowdown.

02:47:50.000 The numbers that came out today on the quarterly growth figures show the slowdown.

02:47:55.000 If it's well-managed, it will go from the slowdown into a recovery.

02:48:01.000 It's going to be difficult.

02:48:02.000 How is the management right now?

02:48:04.000 Are they doing the right thing?

02:48:09.000 No, this has been perhaps the worst six years of mismanagement of the macroeconomy.

02:48:17.000 I think there's a broad consensus on both parties about the mismanagement of the economy.

02:48:23.000 When do you see it imploding then?

02:48:25.000 Well, as I say, I think that we can avoid an implosion if we manage this very carefully, but it's going to be very risky.

02:48:32.000 Okay, and you're talking the next 12 months?

02:48:33.000 24 months?

02:48:35.000 I think we're going to go through some very difficult times in the next 12 months.

02:48:38.000 That's 24 months, yes.

02:48:39.000 Okay, thank you, sir, for joining us.

02:48:41.000 Take care.

02:48:42.000 Okay, thank you.

02:48:43.000 You bet.

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02:52:02.000 We can have somebody on about ranch management.

02:52:04.000 We can have somebody on about any issue.

02:52:05.000 If I'm going to speak on something, I know what I'm talking about.

02:52:09.000 Okay?

02:52:10.000 World government's real.

02:52:11.000 They're planning to take everything you've got.

02:52:14.000 All the elite experts in economics and banking are saying that we are going to have a massive correction.

02:52:22.000 And most of them are saying, we're not going to make it out of it.

02:52:24.000 You heard him say really bad.

02:52:26.000 Global depression, Ron Paul saying it.

02:52:29.000 And I talked to stockbrokers, business advisors.

02:52:32.000 They don't know anything.

02:52:32.000 They play within the false paradigm that they're projected, that they're given by the global corporations that own the financial media.

02:52:40.000 And you try to talk to somebody who's a stockbroker.

02:52:42.000 What do you know about stocks, Alex?

02:52:45.000 Well, I know the Dow's rigged with only winners, and I know the money supply's been devalued by 44%, so the Dow's really at 6,200 and something.

02:52:52.000 Oh, what's that?

02:52:53.000 Money devalue?

02:52:54.000 What's that mean?

02:52:56.000 And again, I don't even claim to be that smart.

02:52:58.000 I just study this stuff.

02:53:00.000 And let me tell you, I see bad, bad, bad, bad all over the place.

02:53:05.000 And so we know what we're talking about on 9-11.

02:53:07.000 North American Union.

02:53:09.000 The economy, the dollar, everything.

02:53:11.000 Okay, this show needs to be on every talk station in the country.

02:53:14.000 It isn't.

02:53:15.000 If we had real information getting out there, we could save this country.

02:53:19.000 I know we got loaded phone lines.

02:53:20.000 I'll try to take calls here at the end quickly, each caller.

02:53:22.000 It's just... I'll be on the radio this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

02:53:26.000 We're going to have Aaron Russo on again.

02:53:27.000 Be sure and join us.

02:53:29.000 Bunch of news, and you can listen via Infowars.com.

02:53:33.000 Or hopefully stations out there that are picking up this show will pick it up, or if you can't carry it live, re-air the new show I'm doing.

02:53:38.000 A lot of new stations turning it on, I want to thank them.

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02:53:49.000 There's a reason they ran Joseph Siglitz out of there, because he wouldn't play ball with them.

02:53:54.000 He's a globalist, but he doesn't believe in hurting all the people.

02:53:56.000 Well, you're gone, buddy.

02:53:57.000 Nobel Prize winner.

02:54:00.000 And this is how it works.

02:54:01.000 He's got a soul.

02:54:02.000 He's got a conscience.

02:54:02.000 I don't think he's just playing good cop.

02:54:04.000 He is a good cop.

02:54:05.000 But he doesn't understand the full paradigm.

02:54:07.000 And he understands his limited spectrum of analysis, which is understandable.

02:54:11.000 He can go to higher levels than any of us when he studies one small sliver.

02:54:15.000 I study the full spectrum.

02:54:16.000 And I mainly go to history because humans tend to do the same things over and over again.

02:54:20.000 So I can see a condensed version of what's happening today in any aspect I wish.

02:54:24.000 That's what I've done.

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02:54:39.000 Ron in Georgia, you're on the air, go ahead.

02:54:43.000 Alex, I just had a comment about the gentleman that called in earlier.

02:54:47.000 If he doesn't believe anything that's going on and he believes that everything is just fine, why is he listening to your show?

02:54:54.000 And why is he calling in?

02:54:56.000 I think it's our own fears that keep us from realizing the truth.

02:55:00.000 We don't want to see the truth.

02:55:03.000 I wrote a quick caption, if I could read it for you.

02:55:06.000 Sure, go ahead.

02:55:07.000 The chains of our captivity are not bound so tight as to deprive the mind of free thought.

02:55:13.000 They lay rather on the foundation of the ever-shifting sands of lies and iniquity, shielded from the light of truth by the shadow of our own fears.

02:55:22.000 Well, I mean, I just had a 45-minute discussion with a Nobel Prize winner, former head of economics at the World Bank, and he agreed with everything I said.

02:55:30.000 And I said neo-mercantilism.

02:55:32.000 He didn't write that in his book.

02:55:33.000 I studied history.

02:55:34.000 It's mercantilism.

02:55:36.000 Globalism's mercantilism.

02:55:38.000 And I'm not tootin' my horn, folks.

02:55:39.000 I know what I'm talkin' about.

02:55:40.000 Thank you for the call, Ron.

02:55:41.000 Tom in California.

02:55:42.000 Sorry about Margaret and Eric and others.

02:55:44.000 Tom, go ahead.

02:55:44.000 Take us out.

02:55:47.000 I was wondering if you could give somebody some advice on starting a newsletter that basically copies all the headlines of Prison Planet from my local area here.

02:55:56.000 For people that don't read the internet, maybe would pick up a newsletter instead, read the same headline.

02:56:01.000 Do you have any advice?

02:56:03.000 I take the articles we write every week.

02:56:05.000 They're the best.

02:56:06.000 And I take four or five of those every week or every month or ten, whatever.

02:56:09.000 Do it that way.

02:56:10.000 And to get freedom to fascism in my local theater, well, that's the way to go about doing that.

02:56:15.000 Call Aaron Russo.

02:56:16.000 I'm out of time.

02:56:17.000 Vaya con Dios.

02:56:18.000 Have a good, safe weekend.

02:56:20.000 Ask God for guidance.

02:56:20.000 Love your family.

02:56:22.000 God bless you all.

02:56:22.000 See you Sunday on the radio.

Alex Jones Show - November 22, 2006

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