Alex Jones Show - 20061224_Sun_Alex

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00:00:21.000 This is the Alex Jones Show.

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00:00:32.000 Now live from Austin, Texas, here's Alex Jones.

00:00:38.000 All right.

00:00:44.000 I am very glad that you have joined me today on this Sunday, the 17th of December 2006.

00:00:55.000 Everybody's saying this, but it's true. 1.00

00:00:57.000 This year has gone by faster than any year in recent memory or any year period in my life.

00:01:07.000 It has exploded past us to almost 2007.

00:01:10.000 By the way, I will be here doing a live show on Christmas Eve.

00:01:14.000 Coming up next week, so be sure and join us.

00:01:18.000 We're here every Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

00:01:20.000 We've syndicated this broadcast now for the last two months.

00:01:23.000 Out of the studios of NewsRadio 590, KLBJ, quite a few stations already picking the show up, and a whole bunch lined up to pick it up in the new year, when they can change their programming all over the country.

00:01:33.000 And not just on the AM and FM dial, but also on global shortwave, the internet, and of course, via satellite.

00:01:41.000 We have a special guest coming up in the next hour.

00:01:44.000 She's going to be in studio.

00:01:45.000 I guess we're really lucky or blessed to have her here in Austin, Texas, and she's Barbara McLeod.

00:01:52.000 She, of course, is a Ph.D.

00:01:54.000 in anthropology from the University of Texas, 1990, specializing in Mayan languages and hieroglyphic writing.

00:02:01.000 She speaks the ancient language of Mayan Fluently, and she was the language specialist for the film Apocalypto, hired by Mel Gibson to assist the different actors, and then of course in post-production to make sure that they got it right, resurrecting this ancient language.

00:02:22.000 She'll be joining us in studio in the next hour.

00:02:24.000 I've been told she just called and is in transit here now.

00:02:27.000 We're very thankful for that, because last week I read a Statesman article on air Where a UT art assistant professor, oh, the art teachers now know everything, saying that the film was inaccurate, but then they couldn't give any real reasons, just saying, oh, it's so violent, oh, this is terrible.

00:02:46.000 Yes, there was human sacrifice in the Mayan culture, but it wasn't a pious act.

00:02:53.000 It was a valid act.

00:02:54.000 These are exact quotes.

00:02:57.000 And that it's evil to talk bad about the human sacrifice.

00:03:01.000 I have the Statesman article here in front of me, and so that's how politically correct and crazy things have gotten, is that you're not supposed to make a historical film.

00:03:10.000 Now, they never set about to make a historical film, but it's extremely accurate.

00:03:14.000 Of course, there are some things that aren't completely accurate, like the anthropologist we have joining us has pointed out, that eclipses don't last five minutes for the scene.

00:03:26.000 The point is, Mel Gibson actually scaled back the true violence of the entire Mayan culture, particularly there at the end, the last hundred years or so I guess, with the Aztecs.

00:03:40.000 Well, some estimates are 20,000 people sacrificed in a holiday weekend.

00:03:46.000 More conservative estimates are around 5-6,000.

00:03:49.000 I'm somewhat of a novice buff, you could say.

00:03:52.000 I've read a few books about it, been to some of the pyramids, watched the History Channel shows.

00:03:55.000 I don't claim to be some expert, but it was very accurate from what I knew.

00:03:59.000 And, of course, my mom took a lot of Mesoamerican studies.

00:04:03.000 She's got a history degree.

00:04:05.000 And so, growing up, I got drug around to some of these places, so I thought it was pretty darn accurate.

00:04:10.000 But the liberals, and of course, that term's interchangeable.

00:04:13.000 I really wouldn't call them liberals.

00:04:14.000 They call themselves politically correct liberals, are just freaking out, saying, don't show our dear Mayan culture in this way.

00:04:23.000 So, we're going to bring you an anthropologist expert.

00:04:27.000 An academic who's been all over the Mesoamerican world and for many years studying this, and of course who's also one of the leading experts on reading these hieroglyphs.

00:04:39.000 She will be joining us in studio.

00:04:41.000 She's going to speak some in the Language for you that is used by the Mayans, still used by some of them down in Mexico today, or at least kind of a compilation of that ancient language with the Spanish and some other things.

00:04:57.000 So she's going to be in studio doing that in the next hour.

00:05:00.000 Okay.

00:05:01.000 Right now, big developments this week.

00:05:04.000 You know, I took off Thursday and Friday, went to LA for some business meetings concerning some projects I'm working on in the future.

00:05:12.000 And so I was out of town, and when I got back, I got in front of the computer and saw all the news that had been broken at PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com the last few days.

00:05:23.000 I knew we were working on these stories, but now we have them up there for you.

00:05:28.000 The government biological weapons legislator says 2001 anthrax attacks, part of government bio-warfare program and that all the evidence shows that it's an inside job government attack.

00:05:28.000 Headline, U.S.

00:05:42.000 And he also says that the 9/11 story is a complete and total fraud.

00:05:47.000 Dr. Francis A. Boyle says the FBI has also covered up the facts of the case.

00:05:53.000 Boyle is a leading American professor.

00:05:55.000 I've got him on my syndicated weekday show tomorrow.

00:05:58.000 Practitioner and advocate of international law.

00:06:00.000 He was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989.

00:06:05.000 The American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention.

00:06:10.000 He's also served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International.

00:06:14.000 And it just goes on and on.

00:06:15.000 He's a Ph.D.

00:06:16.000 in political science, both from Harvard University and a bunch of others.

00:06:21.000 Magna Cum Laude, I just can't go on with all the positions.

00:06:25.000 He's gone public, got about 185 IQ, knows what he's talking about when it comes to terrorism, and he's going to tell you where that anthrax came from.

00:06:33.000 Of course, we told you before the attacks.

00:06:36.000 I said on September 11th, and of all places the ADL picked it up and said, oh look how evil Jones is.

00:06:41.000 He says there's going to be a terror attack with bioweapons in the next month.

00:06:45.000 That was what I was getting from sources in government.

00:06:48.000 And, oh, lo and behold, the anthrax attacks popped up.

00:06:51.000 Kind of like I said they're going to attack the World Trade Center two months before and blame it on their CIA asset, Bin Laden, and then that happened as well.

00:07:00.000 And it's all on record.

00:07:01.000 In fact, I can even thank people that have attacked me in the press and the watchdog groups for their help.

00:07:06.000 In documenting that I've said these things, and they like to attack me, and then it comes true! 0.97

00:07:11.000 Alex is insane! 0.98

00:07:12.000 He believes in a thing called the Bilderberg Rift, a thing called the CFR, a place called Bohemian Grove, he's crazy! 0.86

00:07:19.000 He believes in the North American Union, a plan to seize all the major interstate highways and use them as a taxation system, and now it's all happening.

00:07:26.000 I mean, all we do is read their own documents!

00:07:29.000 It is not that hard!

00:07:32.000 Also, Mi5 chief, that's the British equivalent of the FBI, quits his full story of July 7th.

00:07:38.000 The bombings of a year and a half ago is coming out.

00:07:40.000 This is covered in Terror Storm.

00:07:42.000 It's now emerging the government was involved.

00:07:44.000 Intimately, we'll be getting into that report for you.

00:07:48.000 Also, there is a FAA air traffic controller.

00:07:53.000 Who is speaking out now, and after the break we'll get into that report for you.

00:07:59.000 And he's talking about the people that were actually inside the control towers when this was happening on 9-11, that there were clear orders to stand down, and that regular procedures were blocked.

00:08:11.000 And he goes through the evidence of the 9-11 drills, coinciding with it, and how 9-11, again, has to be an inside job, an inside job at the bare minimum.

00:08:21.000 Elements within the government knew it was happening, and a lot of it took place, and then you look at more and more of the evidence, the only thing that fits is total inside job.

00:08:29.000 But the really big news, normally I don't pay attention to Time Magazine man or woman, person of the year, but this time it makes sense, and they're finally getting it.

00:08:41.000 Person of the Year.

00:08:42.000 I'm sure you've already heard.

00:08:43.000 Oh, it's big fanfare.

00:08:45.000 You know, who's the Person of the Year?

00:08:47.000 Sometimes it's Newt Gingrich, sometimes it's Adolf Hitler, or Mohamed Mozadek, or Jimmy Carter, or the Queen of England.

00:08:54.000 Who was the Person of the Year?

00:08:56.000 We will get into that for you as well after the break.

00:09:00.000 And we'll integrate that with, there's a hint, Study of Americans media use finds web finally passing newspapers and Americans are now watching or viewing or reading nine and a half hours of media a day totally plugged into the system.

00:09:15.000 In the last decade it has increased from four and a half hours a day total media.

00:09:21.000 I mean so it's an exponential increase and the largest slice of that isn't TV, isn't even radio, isn't newspapers, it's the internet.

00:09:30.000 And internet news is starting to surpass porn.

00:09:35.000 So, alternative news is now numero uno.

00:09:40.000 Number one.

00:09:41.000 And it's only going to get more and more serious.

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00:14:15.000 Exposing corruption.

00:14:17.000 Dismantling the false left-right paradigm.

00:14:20.000 He's Alex Jones.

00:14:26.000 Welcome back.

00:14:28.000 Alright, Person of the Year.

00:14:30.000 Well, this is the first time that it hasn't been a human being, that is an individual person.

00:14:36.000 Person of the Year is you, and it's got a little

00:14:40.000 reflective plastic tinfoil mirror on the cover and the plastic tinfoil mirror is affixed in what is a picture of a computer screen and it's saying because of YouTube and Google Video we're now all able to put ourselves out there and that it's fracturing the mainstream media and basically taking over most of the viewers that television had left and that is indeed true.

00:15:08.000 Hundreds of millions of people Just in North America, every single week, go online and watch videos.

00:15:16.000 Millions are now producing videos.

00:15:18.000 I saw an ad over the weekend when I was in Los Angeles for, you know, the new AOL.

00:15:23.000 It's brand new.

00:15:23.000 It's all about your own videos.

00:15:25.000 Posting your own videos.

00:15:26.000 And these videos need to be seen.

00:15:28.000 Come see them.

00:15:29.000 So now you see the mainstream media starting to panic, but a little bit too late.

00:15:33.000 In fact, newspaper circulation is down by over 60% in the last decade.

00:15:39.000 You'll see a press report saying newspapers are down 9% in the last year.

00:15:45.000 And this particular newspaper was down even more.

00:15:48.000 Or the LA Times fared better, it's only down by 6%.

00:15:51.000 But overall, newspaper circulation That is, how many newspapers they sell, how many subscribers they have, is down by 60 plus percent.

00:16:01.000 And that's what made your papers, in the last few years, getting caught inflating their list.

00:16:06.000 Combining old lists of subscribers that they had, that they no longer have, in a desperate attempt.

00:16:13.000 But I'll tell you what mainstream media is still good at, that is, especially the newspapers and television, is selling people advertising at vastly inflated prices.

00:16:23.000 But then you get an alternative website, you know, that, say, has a hundred times the viewers of some local newspaper readers.

00:16:30.000 But they can't even get money for advertising, but the mainstream media still can.

00:16:35.000 So that's the last part of the paradigm that hasn't been completely shattered yet, is take Beelo.

00:16:42.000 They own the Dallas Morning News, and I looked it up.

00:16:44.000 The Dallas Morning News makes over $100 million a year, supposedly, in advertising.

00:16:50.000 Well, Prison Planet and most of their supposed newspaper readers or viewers are online.

00:16:57.000 Well, PrisonPlanet.com, if you go to Alexa.com and some of it, as I've said many times, you can go look it up right now.

00:17:03.000 If you go to Alexa.com, the big rating services, you can see that PrisonPlanet.com is the same size right now and is starting in the trend to surpass DallasMorningNews.com.

00:17:12.000 But we basically make enough money to pay my employees, and that's about it.

00:17:18.000 And frankly, we're not aggressive with advertising.

00:17:20.000 I'm not out there even really looking for it.

00:17:22.000 But the point is, is that they know how to have an illusion and go out and make a hundred million dollars off of the visitors and readers that they have.

00:17:34.000 It's the same thing with RushLimbaugh.com.

00:17:36.000 It just makes masses of money. 0.96

00:17:39.000 That's been in the news.

00:17:40.000 The guy gets paid 280-something million dollars in a nine-year contract.

00:17:45.000 Well, PrisonPlanet.com is no bigger than RushLimbaugh.com.

00:17:48.000 You see?

00:17:49.000 But the people don't know that.

00:17:51.000 The advertisers don't know that.

00:17:53.000 There's one more little part of the paradigm that hasn't been discovered yet.

00:17:59.000 I'm just as an alternative media person, who kind of interfaces with mainstream media, trying to give you an idea of this from our own personal experience just here at the microscopic level.

00:18:12.000 Take what's happening with YouTube and Google Video.

00:18:18.000 They are, and again those are quote mainstream owned, but they are totally supplanting the old media order.

00:18:25.000 What are they going to do?

00:18:26.000 How are they going to try to reverse that?

00:18:28.000 But one of the few little parts of this paradigm that still hasn't been shattered is, though in major polls, 84%, that number has come up many times in the last few months in scientific polls, 84% don't approve of Congress.

00:18:43.000 84% don't believe the official story of 9-11.

00:18:46.000 Cheney only has a 12% approval rating, so it's even lower with some individuals.

00:18:52.000 But for the first time, you have people totally not trusting either party, the system being exposed, and being in a lot of trouble.

00:18:59.000 To the point of Time Magazine has to say, person of the year is you!

00:19:03.000 Come by our magazine with a tinfoil cover and look at yourself in it and feel important and powerful!

00:19:08.000 That gimmick is not going to work with people.

00:19:10.000 They've had a taste of freedom, They've had a taste of the alternative, and now the establishment's moving to shut down the web, restrict it, tax it, regulate it.

00:19:18.000 That isn't going to work either.

00:19:20.000 You cannot stop this virtual migration.

00:19:23.000 You cannot stop this usurpation of your monopoly.

00:19:29.000 And it's being broken into a million different pieces.

00:19:32.000 I love it.

00:19:32.000 I saw a story a few months ago, CNN was panicking going, In the past, we all had one cultural book we read from, mainstream media, and we were all cohesive when everyone could basically be programmed by us.

00:19:43.000 I can't believe they're admitting it, and now that's not working anymore!

00:19:46.000 I mean, they were openly, and hey, you control freaks!

00:19:49.000 That's right, you're gonna really have to compete now, and we'll see how you like it! 0.93

00:19:54.000 But let me get back to what I was saying.

00:19:55.000 The final piece of the paradigm that hasn't been shattered is this.

00:19:59.000 Number one, alternative media doesn't make the money anywhere near one-one-thousandth on average that I've looked at what it should be versus these big giants, okay?

00:20:09.000 And that's because the belief is still there, the aura of mainstream media, the power of mainstream media, the fancy teleprompters and the info babes with the collagen-filled lips, and the guys in the $3,000 suits wearing $500 ties, And reading off a teleprompter, delivering every word perfectly crafted.

00:20:33.000 People still feel like that's the establishment, and that's the final word, and everybody thinks they're a bunch of liars and propagandists, but we still feel like we're alone.

00:20:42.000 People haven't figured out yet that the original old paradigm has been shattered, though the worm is now turning, and that's being discovered.

00:20:51.000 So, it is extremely, extremely exciting.

00:20:55.000 Person of the Year is you, Time Magazine.

00:21:00.000 And that's exciting because, again, and they go into admitting that the mainstream media is in deep trouble.

00:21:06.000 All they can try to do now is basically set the trends, set the fads, and hope that everyone in the alternative starts parroting it, and regurgitating it, and repeating it, and that's not going to happen either.

00:21:17.000 But some scary numbers out of the Associated Press here at year-end, along the same lines, headline, Study of American Medium News finds web finally passing newspapers.

00:21:31.000 Washington.

00:21:32.000 Americans spend more time watching TV, listening to the radio, surfing the internet, and reading newspapers, it seems, than anything else except breathing. 0.53

00:21:39.000 In fact, media use has risen every year since the start of the decade, helped by faster and easier ways to get information, entertainment, according to statistics and a new government report.

00:21:49.000 Next year, Americans are projected to spend more than nine and a half hours a day with the media.

00:21:55.000 Right now, it's about nine hours.

00:21:58.000 Those hours spent doing two things at once, such as watching TV and using the Internet, are counted twice in the report.

00:22:06.000 Then it goes through the numbers that the Internet has now eclipsed print media, that is newspapers, and is fast eclipsing television, and is already the largest piece of the pie.

00:22:20.000 And then if you look at that piece of the pie, people on the internet, porn is number one.

00:22:24.000 You can go to Google, they have tracker charts, statistics very accurate to look at this.

00:22:29.000 And guess what is beginning some days to be porn and trending in the next six months to eclipse pornography.

00:22:37.000 Alternative media, what you're listening to right now.

00:22:40.000 Yes, we are surpassing porn.

00:22:43.000 I love it. 0.86

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00:27:08.000 Corruption never had a worse enemy.

00:27:14.000 You're locked in to the Alex Jones Show.

00:27:20.000 The first stage in winning the war against corruption is knowing exactly who the people are that are taking our liberties and freedoms.

00:27:28.000 And that's both political parties bought off by big special interests, global corporations, that are dismantling our country's sovereignty right now.

00:27:36.000 It must be resisted.

00:27:38.000 Okay, we're going to take calls for the next half hour, get into some of the news as we take your calls.

00:27:43.000 But I'm really excited.

00:27:45.000 We have Barbara McLeod out there in the green room. 1.00

00:27:49.000 And she was the main anthropologist, one of the main anthropologists working on the film Apocalypto.

00:27:58.000 And last week I got on the radio on the Sunday Show and talked about what a great film it was.

00:28:03.000 And just from my novice research, You know, watching the History Channel, reading a few books about it, going down to quite a few of the pyramids, as many of you have done, in Mexico.

00:28:12.000 It's fascinating stuff that the film was pretty darn accurate.

00:28:15.000 It actually held back how violent the Aztecs really were.

00:28:22.000 And then I got sent a little article or a little piece that Barbara had put together.

00:28:30.000 She talked about how they would tie people up and roll them down the steps.

00:28:34.000 They would rip their jaws off and ritualize torture.

00:28:38.000 And just, of course, then this weekend I was in Los Angeles and I had some time to watch TV.

00:28:43.000 And I saw a History Channel special on the Aztecs with how they would Skin people and wear their skins.

00:28:47.000 This is pretty interesting stuff and she's an expert on it.

00:28:51.000 And so we will talk about Apocalypto and this UT assistant professor of art who said how horrible the film was and how evil Mel was and how he showed him like a bunch of heathen.

00:29:07.000 And I don't think he did that at all.

00:29:08.000 I think he held back.

00:29:10.000 Now, certainly all cultures have engaged in these types of behaviors.

00:29:13.000 When we talk about the Romans and their ritualized killing in the arena, we say it's bad. 0.98

00:29:18.000 Or when we talk about the things that Hitler did, we say it's bad, as well we should. 1.00

00:29:23.000 Or when we talk about the Druids, it's been a National Geographic, their human sacrifices, that wasn't on the scale of the Aztecs there at the end of the Mayan system, civilization.

00:29:37.000 I'm already digressing.

00:29:38.000 I know she's out there listening.

00:29:40.000 We got her coming in here in studio. 0.99

00:29:42.000 The toll-free number to join us all over the country is 877-590-KLBJ.

00:29:44.000 That's 877-590-5525 here locally in Central Texas.

00:29:46.000 KLBJ, that's 877-590-5525 here locally in Central Texas.

00:29:50.000 If you're listening to The Mothership, KLBJ 590-836-0590.

00:29:55.000 And later I will get into this before the hour ends.

00:29:59.000 Boston Air Traffic Controllers, 9-11, inside job.

00:30:02.000 Also, U.S.

00:30:03.000 Government Biological Weapons Legislator, top scientist and professor, says the 2001 anthrax attacks were part of government bio-warfare program.

00:30:12.000 I'm interviewing him tomorrow on my weekday syndicated show.

00:30:15.000 And just a lot more.

00:30:17.000 Right now, Let's go ahead and talk to Carl.

00:30:22.000 Carl didn't call in first, but it says he disagrees.

00:30:25.000 It goes ahead of the line.

00:30:26.000 Then we'll go to George, Joe, Juan, Paul in Canada, and others.

00:30:30.000 But Carl's calling from right here in Central Texas.

00:30:33.000 You're on the air.

00:30:35.000 Welcome.

00:30:35.000 Hey, Alex.

00:30:36.000 I love what you do.

00:30:37.000 I go to Brave New Books.

00:30:38.000 I think it's all very interesting, and I think what you say is true, but what you indicate that you're somehow that Whether YouTube or the people quote-unquote waking up is going to somehow make the New World Order back off and our country's going to opt out of it, you don't believe that really deep down inside.

00:30:59.000 Or with all that you know about the New World Order and the malevolent forces behind it, You're naïve enough to believe that they're going to say, okay, you woke too many people up, so we're going to leave the biggest economy in the world out of our deal.

00:31:10.000 Well, let me first ask you a question.

00:31:12.000 For people that just tuned in for the first time, tell them what the New World Order is first.

00:31:17.000 Okay, it's the international bankers, it's the Illuminati, the CFR, all the groups that are going to ultimately, with your own words... The groups who now are on C-SPAN saying they're creating a North American Union, one world government.

00:31:28.000 It's now admitted.

00:31:29.000 Correct.

00:31:30.000 As you say, with a high-tech overlay, eventually to the point where if you don't play the game, you don't play the game.

00:31:35.000 You won't be able to buy or sell or do banking.

00:31:37.000 They'll want to chip you the whole nine yards.

00:31:40.000 The Antichrist, and here comes the end of the world.

00:31:42.000 Correct.

00:31:43.000 So, but do you really think these guys... Okay, we'll see.

00:31:47.000 That's where I stop right there.

00:31:50.000 Listen, I'm a Christian, but I'm a secular broadcaster.

00:31:52.000 I'm covering the news.

00:31:54.000 They thought it was the end of the world with Hitler and said don't fight him. 0.86

00:31:57.000 They thought it was the end of the world, you know, in 1776 and told the founders don't fight.

00:32:01.000 Number one, I have a duty to fight corruption.

00:32:03.000 Number two, I wouldn't be here doing this if I didn't think we had a chance to save this country, keep us out of these global wars for empire, and at least scale back the corruption.

00:32:14.000 History shows over and over again that tyranny gets worse and worse until people finally stand up against it, or until the government itself, the system, collapses.

00:32:23.000 We're about to be talking about that in the next hour, as Rome did, as the Aztecs did in Mesoamerica, You know, all these cultures have.

00:32:32.000 It's the same thing we're talking about right now.

00:32:34.000 So I know, sir, I've seen right here in Texas where we've beaten, you know, bills to put transponders and all the inspection stickers to give us tickets as we drive down the road and track us, or we've beaten gun legislation against the Second Amendment, or we've beaten, you know, all this other legislation.

00:32:48.000 I've seen us beat stuff at the federal level.

00:32:50.000 We've also had a lot of defeats, but I haven't... Listen, I have an attitude of I love this country, I love my family, and I would call myself a real paleo-conservative, and I'm going to go down swinging even if we don't have a chance of winning.

00:33:02.000 I think... And maybe the antichrist is about to pop up like the jack-in-the-box, and maybe all this is about to happen, but I'm still going to fight it.

00:33:09.000 Okay, I think that's wonderful that you do that, and everybody should do that.

00:33:12.000 I agree with that.

00:33:13.000 I'm right there with you for that, but if these people have the power they have, they're not... One is, you talk about the high-tech overlay, the Gestapo didn't have high-tech.

00:33:22.000 Well, I'll tell you what Thomas Jefferson said, and I appreciate your call.

00:33:25.000 And I gave you a lot of time, but the defeatist talk really gets me mad.

00:33:27.000 People are not just going to go, well, they're fighting, so we're going to give up the biggest economy in the world.

00:33:32.000 Alex, mark it down, they're going to get the United States.

00:33:35.000 Fight, that's good.

00:33:37.000 Play, but I guarantee you they're going to get the United States.

00:33:40.000 Well, I'll tell you what Thomas Jefferson said, and I appreciate your call.

00:33:42.000 And I gave you a lot of time, but just the defeatist talk really gets me mad.

00:33:45.000 And number one, you've got to believe you can win a fight.

00:33:49.000 I mean, if you go into a fight and you're not going forward, and this isn't business or a physical fight, or anything, and if you don't have the momentum and you don't go into it 110%, I'll guarantee you you're going to lose if you're fighting a serious foe.

00:34:06.000 But just this talk about how we can't do a damn thing and how they're too big and they're too tough and the corruption's too serious, the only thing that may sink us is that we ourselves have become decadent.

00:34:19.000 We took the milk and honey, the incredible success of our forefathers and mothers, our forebearers, and we have squandered it and we have become decadent.

00:34:29.000 And that's the biggest thing we have working against us.

00:34:32.000 But listen, 97% of Americans are against these no toll road, trackership toll roads.

00:34:42.000 99% are against the Supreme Court rulings about private property grabbing by private interest.

00:34:49.000 You've got 90 plus percent against total open borders, and the government is going, we don't care what you want, we're going to do what we want.

00:34:56.000 But that's causing an even bigger awakening.

00:34:59.000 So I agree that the establishment doesn't care what we say, and it's just going forward.

00:35:03.000 But I'm telling you, there is a force, a sleeping giant, that is rising big time against that in every way.

00:35:10.000 Let's go ahead and talk to George in Florida.

00:35:14.000 George, thanks for holding.

00:35:15.000 You're on the air.

00:35:16.000 How are you doing, Alex?

00:35:18.000 Yes, last night I got arrested at a sobriety checkpoint coming from work.

00:35:24.000 Do me a huge favor and turn the radio off.

00:35:27.000 Sorry, it's the TV.

00:35:29.000 Yes, I was coming home from work and a cop showed me a policy thing that all vehicles will be checked and you're going to be subject to a field sobriety test and I just flat out refused.

00:35:40.000 I just said I don't have to.

00:35:42.000 By court, by court, by court... Hey, I'll tell you what, I'm going to put you on hold.

00:35:45.000 I want to hear what happened to you when we get back from break.

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00:41:10.000 But I'm not trying to be mean.

00:41:12.000 We're just going to talk about it and go over it, because it is the number one film still, and I think it was an incredible film.

00:41:18.000 Shot in the high def, the casting, all of it.

00:41:20.000 I don't normally spend this much time on a movie, but it gets into moral relativism, too, and the political correctness crowd that just... I mean, I can't stand Rosie O'Donnell because she's anti-gun. 0.99

00:41:31.000 But she got on TV and just joked around.

00:41:34.000 Everybody jokes around like everything's politically incorrect now.

00:41:39.000 I mean, believe me, I watch Asian TV sometimes.

00:41:41.000 They make fun of people in the West.

00:41:43.000 They make fun of themselves.

00:41:44.000 Everybody should just get a little bit thicker skin.

00:41:47.000 Oh, but we need to go after her now and it's all over for her. 1.00

00:41:51.000 But I like what she said.

00:41:51.000 She said, OK, I'm sorry if it offends you, but I'm probably going to do it again.

00:41:54.000 And, you know, just acting stupid. 0.99

00:41:58.000 I mean, that's all it is. 1.00

00:41:59.000 It's her acting dumb because she's talking gibberish. 0.98

00:42:03.000 It's not making fun of some other group. 0.99

00:42:05.000 But this is how they want to control free speech.

00:42:07.000 Newt Gingrich came out this weekend in another speech and said we need to restrict free speech, shut down websites.

00:42:13.000 Oh, the evil people in America are taking over and fighting our wonderful New World Order.

00:42:18.000 They have to because the alternative media is kicking their hind in. 0.50

00:42:22.000 Let's go back to Georgia and Florida.

00:42:24.000 I've got to move quicker because I want to go through a bunch of your calls.

00:42:27.000 Let's go ahead and, well, I had George here, but it doesn't show which line he's on.

00:42:34.000 Oh, there he is.

00:42:35.000 He's on toll-free, too.

00:42:36.000 George, go ahead.

00:42:38.000 Okay, so you're at this checkpoint.

00:42:39.000 What happened?

00:42:40.000 Well, I gave him my license, let him run my license.

00:42:43.000 I know I ain't got no warrants or anything like that, but when it came to searching the car, I basically said no.

00:42:49.000 Now, by checkpoint, they had a lot of cars pulled over.

00:42:51.000 They were stopping one out of three, all of them, some of them.

00:42:54.000 What was happening?

00:42:55.000 It was random.

00:42:57.000 It was like a random thing, and I just said, um, no you cannot search my car without a warrant.

00:43:01.000 And they showed me a piece of paper and said, we got all the authority we need.

00:43:04.000 No, I know, because their policy says, no, the Fourth Amendment is still in force, and it's totally criminal what's happening.

00:43:12.000 The state police were trying it in Texas a few years ago until they got sued, and then now they're trying to pass legislation to where they can violate the Fourth Amendment.

00:43:20.000 They still can't!

00:43:21.000 You can't just randomly pull cars over and demand to search them!

00:43:25.000 Well, there's a Florida statute passed back in 1855, which says any executive officer under a sworn affirmation violates someone's constitutional right is considered a felony.

00:43:37.000 So what happened to you quickly?

00:43:38.000 What happened to you?

00:43:39.000 You're at the Nazi checkpoint, which that's what the Nazis did. 0.82

00:43:41.000 Papers, please.

00:43:42.000 What happened?

00:43:43.000 Well, one of the people that was retired right across the street where this checkpoint was, was a retired Texas Ranger.

00:43:50.000 And the Ranger sits there and told him, I said, have you taken to jail?

00:43:54.000 You're going to, uh, I said I'm going to be there as a witness.

00:43:57.000 Oh good, so he knew it was bad.

00:44:00.000 Well, he was, he said, he even said these cops are punks today.

00:44:03.000 And, uh, basically, um, when he came down, um, the police chief apologized and I just told him, I said, he ain't got no authority to override so and so.

00:44:11.000 But on the board, it says you got arrested.

00:44:13.000 You told the folks when you called in that you got arrested.

00:44:16.000 Yes.

00:44:16.000 When I went down, I got booked and, uh, Like I said, it wasn't a ranger or anything.

00:44:21.000 I was released.

00:44:21.000 Good!

00:44:21.000 We should all say no, and I appreciate your call.

00:44:23.000 I've had them get real mad.

00:44:24.000 Well, why can't I search?

00:44:26.000 Because I want my children growing up in a free country?

00:44:28.000 Well, what do you have to hide?

00:44:29.000 I said, hey, you want somebody coming to search your house?

00:44:31.000 What do you have to hide?

00:44:32.000 And I always said it'd be, hey, let me search your house now.

00:44:35.000 You know, versus let me search your car.

00:44:37.000 What do you have to hide?

00:44:38.000 Well, now in Dallas and Phoenix and other areas, it's called knock and talk.

00:44:41.000 Federal grants.

00:44:42.000 The cops show up and go, uh, we'd like to search your house.

00:44:48.000 And you go, why?

00:44:49.000 Did something happen in the neighborhood?

00:44:50.000 No, it's just we'd like to do an inventory of your guns.

00:44:53.000 They normally do it when the man's gone during the day, whenever they find somebody illegal.

00:44:58.000 I mean, folks, this is the end of this country.

00:45:00.000 But the border's wide open, but we need to, you know, do knock and talk all over the country.

00:45:05.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Juan in California.

00:45:09.000 You're on the air, Juan.

00:45:10.000 Welcome.

00:45:11.000 How are you, Alex?

00:45:12.000 Yes, sir.

00:45:13.000 Oh yeah, I've got a question for you.

00:45:14.000 How is it possible that actors like James Brolin start to know about the September 11th truth?

00:45:22.000 How is it possible?

00:45:24.000 How is what possible?

00:45:26.000 You know, James Brolin told you that September 11th was inside out.

00:45:30.000 How did he get the information actually?

00:45:33.000 Well, actor James Brolin and legendary director David Lynch have gone public saying they question the official story because it doesn't make sense and it looks like a fraud to them.

00:45:46.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Robert in Aurora, Colorado.

00:45:50.000 You're on the air.

00:45:51.000 Welcome.

00:45:52.000 Hey, Frankie Foxhill.

00:45:53.000 Hello!

00:45:54.000 How are you?

00:45:54.000 Alex Jones.

00:45:55.000 Long time no hear.

00:45:56.000 How's it going?

00:45:56.000 Thanks for taking my call.

00:45:57.000 You bet.

00:45:58.000 What's going on?

00:45:59.000 Good news.

00:46:00.000 I had dinner with a good friend last night at a restaurant in the Aurora area and I served him 30 minutes of loose change.

00:46:06.000 He really liked it, took it home, and we met after church today and had a long talk about it.

00:46:11.000 He, his mother, and myself, and his eyebrows were raised.

00:46:16.000 He had questions about the plane going into the Pentagon and so forth.

00:46:20.000 Well, I'll tell you, I was in L.A.

00:46:22.000 working.

00:46:23.000 That was one of the things.

00:46:23.000 This is a consulting side issue.

00:46:26.000 On getting loose change into theaters nationwide by the middle of next year, maybe even earlier, a final edition, some footage that I've shot is going to be in it, and those guys are doing just a fabulous job.

00:46:38.000 They are.

00:46:40.000 Of course, Dylan Avery, Jason Burmiss, and Corey Rowe, good friends of mine, and it's just so exciting.

00:46:45.000 Another question, he didn't know anything about Building 7, he being my friend, and that made him think.

00:46:51.000 What happened to Buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6?

00:46:53.000 Were they damaged and what happened to those?

00:46:55.000 Yes, they had Tower 1 and 2 fall on them and burned for days and nothing collapsed because buildings don't collapse.

00:47:02.000 Normal fires don't even weaken the steel, much less melt it.

00:47:05.000 And that's why they've had hundreds of skyscraper fires, sometimes burning for days with 100-foot-wide hot flames.

00:47:10.000 And nothing collapses.

00:47:11.000 Building 7 wasn't hit by a plane, but magically collapsed that day.

00:47:15.000 And if you've been there, they've now rebuilt Building 7 in the same footprint of the old one.

00:47:19.000 It's way down the street.

00:47:20.000 It was really outside the compound itself.

00:47:24.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Alicia in South Austin. 0.96

00:47:28.000 Alicia, welcome.

00:47:29.000 You're on the air.

00:47:31.000 Hi, Alex.

00:47:32.000 Hi.

00:47:33.000 I've got a problem lately with trying to buy over-the-counter cold medicines for my children.

00:47:38.000 Yeah, it's everything.

00:47:39.000 There's whole classes of drugs that were over-the-counter where you sign your name, your driver's license number, they check it, and this is preparing you for the national ID card.

00:47:53.000 Now I've been in grocery store lines where they make 75-year-old women scan IDs, you notice they swipe them, To get cigarettes, to get alcohol, and what they're going to do is they have fake conservatives pushing a national sales tax as a fair tax. 0.97

00:48:08.000 They're going to keep the income tax and rename it.

00:48:10.000 Then they're going to have a national sales tax, but it's going to be graduated depending on your income.

00:48:15.000 Some people under $15,000 a year, some say $17,000 will pay no sales tax.

00:48:20.000 So there isn't fraud, i.e.

00:48:22.000 people who are in a higher bracket getting somebody else to buy something to save sales tax at 23%.

00:48:28.000 You'll have to swipe your card every time you buy something.

00:48:32.000 That's why it's all been integrated into the Real ID Act, the national ID card law they passed last year.

00:48:38.000 I've been wondering about this because they started out saying you have to do it for CIDAFED because you can make meth out of it.

00:48:43.000 And now it's everything, and now it's cigarettes, and now it's beer.

00:48:46.000 I can't buy cough syrup, normal over-the-counter cough syrup, with no ingredients that you can do anything interesting with.

00:48:52.000 Well, see, and it starts before most states have passed laws now.

00:48:57.000 Where they do this.

00:48:58.000 But before that happened, it was a policy to have you do this.

00:49:03.000 About a year ago, I had a Diamond Shamrock, now it's a Valero.

00:49:08.000 And I got to know the guy behind the counter, buying gas there, getting milk there.

00:49:12.000 I was in there every other day.

00:49:13.000 He doesn't work there anymore.

00:49:16.000 And there was this old lady in front of me. 1.00

00:49:18.000 This is the story I'm telling.

00:49:19.000 She was probably 65, but I've seen other stories where it's a 75-year-old man, 75-year-old woman.

00:49:24.000 And she was buying A six-pack of beer.

00:49:30.000 And he said, I need your ID.

00:49:34.000 And he swiped it.

00:49:36.000 And I said, what did you just do? 0.99

00:49:37.000 And he said, look, it's ridiculous. 0.97

00:49:39.000 We've been told it's the new policy. 0.93

00:49:41.000 We have to do this.

00:49:41.000 It doesn't matter how old you are.

00:49:43.000 It's 100%.

00:49:44.000 See, first, it's if you're under 35, we card.

00:49:47.000 Or, you know, we card everyone.

00:49:49.000 Now, they do card everybody, and they swipe it.

00:49:52.000 This was already in back in the early 90s.

00:49:54.000 Now, it's just been standardized nationwide.

00:49:56.000 Texas was the beta test.

00:49:57.000 Remember, in 93, we got thumb scanners to get driver's license.

00:49:59.000 Digital face scan photo they take.

00:50:01.000 We've got a national ID card in Texas.

00:50:03.000 As a pilot state, along with Florida and California, Since the early and mid nineties, and I made my first film, America Destroyed by Design, on that issue, and you see the film I made in 97, it's all come true.

00:50:14.000 It's all that, because we had the federal documents, the executive orders.

00:50:18.000 And, to make a long story short, what they do is, they have that strip on the back, and he said, step around the counter, because people, you know, filed out, and I was talking to him about five minutes, he goes, step back and look at this.

00:50:32.000 And I looked, and he said, let me see your card, your driver's license.

00:50:34.000 He scanned it, and it showed my age, if I had warrants, everything.

00:50:39.000 And he said, oh yeah, this goes into some system.

00:50:42.000 It was in the USA Today, three years ago, what was the headline?

00:50:47.000 Scoff Laws Nabbed by Ordering Pizzas. 0.98

00:50:50.000 Just Google, Scoff Laws Ordering Pizzas, or Police Tracked Pizza Purchases.

00:50:56.000 And in the article it says, The Big Three National Pizza Places.

00:51:00.000 And they didn't name them, but you can fill in the blank.

00:51:02.000 They talked to the CEO of the company that integrates this private corporation in Dallas.

00:51:06.000 The Feds paid for the money.

00:51:07.000 It's basically an NSA hub.

00:51:09.000 Just like Total Information Awareness Network was ruled illegal two years ago, so now they just put it in a private company in Virginia.

00:51:16.000 Every pizza, when you order it, it's incredible.

00:51:23.000 From the Big Three.

00:51:24.000 That's why they ask your address, where you're at.

00:51:26.000 And instead of getting a pizza, you get a SWAT team.

00:51:28.000 And it runs it.

00:51:29.000 It runs your background through this computer in Dallas and then flags the police, the feds.

00:51:35.000 Well, good.

00:51:35.000 That'll catch the bad people.

00:51:36.000 The point is, you know, that's what some will say.

00:51:38.000 The point is, this is a total control group.

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00:53:22.000 Now live from Austin, Texas, here's Alex Jones.

00:53:32.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, on this Sunday afternoon.

00:53:35.000 I'm glad that you've decided to spend some time with us as we get closer here to Christmas.

00:53:39.000 I will be live next Christmas Eve, next Sunday, here in studios.

00:53:44.000 I hope you will join us as we defend the Republic, as we expose corruption, and occasionally get into history and movies as well.

00:53:53.000 You know, I know the Gibson family had a chance to meet quite a bit of the family, and from afar have admired Mel Gibson's films.

00:54:02.000 I like The Passion of the Christ.

00:54:03.000 I liked him way back in Road Warrior, which he didn't make, but he was the star of.

00:54:07.000 And I went and saw Apocalypto, and it was shot in high definition.

00:54:11.000 I talked about it last week.

00:54:11.000 Just absolutely amazing.

00:54:14.000 The cinematic experience really put me there.

00:54:16.000 And I'd read a few books about the overall Mayan culture and then about the Aztecs.

00:54:20.000 I'd been to some of the pyramids.

00:54:22.000 My mom had taken some of that stuff in college, so I guess that's why the books were laying around, and I'd read them.

00:54:28.000 And so, you know, being a novice, I guess I knew more than the general public, so I knew that down there they did have human sacrifices, depending on which tribe it was.

00:54:36.000 You know, the Aztecs killing thousands, and then other tribes and parts of history at the same time killing less.

00:54:41.000 And then I saw a story in the Statesman Really attacking Mel Gibson.

00:54:46.000 Like, he's trying to make them all look like a bunch of barbarous killers, and, you know, he makes them look bad.

00:54:51.000 And there was this UT assistant professor who made some interesting statements.

00:54:57.000 In fact, I have them here in a story we put together.

00:55:01.000 She said that the Osberg and Statesman story excused human sacrifice as valid, a pious act, and done with solemnity.

00:55:12.000 And regardless of how you view human sacrifice, I think Mel Gibson's allowed to make a movie about it and depict it.

00:55:19.000 And people are always wanting attention to Mesoamerica.

00:55:22.000 This is the second big movie that's ever been made about it, and it's been number one at the box office for two weeks, so I think it's an important subject.

00:55:30.000 And just vicious attacks on Mel Gibson, saying he's attacked the Jews, now he's going after the Mayans, and I don't think that's what Mel Gibson was really trying to do here.

00:55:40.000 I think he was trying to make an action-adventure movie.

00:55:45.000 But joining us in studio for the rest of the hour, There's a lady who worked prominently on the film, and she's Barbara McLeod, and she is an academic Ph.D.

00:55:58.000 in Anthropology from the University of Texas, 1990, specializing in Mayan languages and hieroglyphic writing, and she can speak the Mayan language, and is one of the leading experts on it, and was hired to work on the film, work closely with Mel Gibson.

00:56:15.000 And I was pleased last Tuesday, or was it Wednesday, I got an email Uh, from her, uh, to our website, uh, you know, in a defense of Mel Gibson, talking about some of the things that aren't accurate, some of the things that are accurate, and, you know, talking about, you know, certainly, uh, there was violence going on with the Mayan and the Aztecs, but enough of that.

00:56:33.000 She is in studio with us.

00:56:34.000 Thank you for coming in.

00:56:37.000 Thanks for having me, Alex.

00:56:38.000 It's a pleasure to be here.

00:56:39.000 You bet.

00:56:40.000 Tell us a little bit about yourself.

00:56:41.000 You're also a pretty interesting person, not just studying this.

00:56:45.000 You also are a stunt flier, stunt pilot.

00:56:49.000 I am, uh-huh.

00:56:50.000 That's where the planes go spinning down towards the ground.

00:56:52.000 Right, yes, I do.

00:56:54.000 Actually, I specialize in teaching basic aerobatics and spin training, and I'm based out of Bergstrom.

00:57:01.000 And I've been a flying instructor for coming up on nine years now.

00:57:05.000 I've got to come out sometime and see you do the aerobatics.

00:57:09.000 That's a whole other radio interview.

00:57:11.000 I'll tell you exactly where to park if you want to watch.

00:57:13.000 I was reading on one side about you flying.

00:57:15.000 You've done 52 or 54 continual spins.

00:57:18.000 I did one spin with 52 and a half turns.

00:57:22.000 And I've just recently had it digitized so I could send it to you and you could run it if you want to.

00:57:27.000 So that's quite a few.

00:57:29.000 I mean, that's one of the planes that I dive-bombed down going... It's something most pilots wouldn't think of doing.

00:57:37.000 And I always like to tell people I did it in my reckless youth back in 1995.

00:57:40.000 Wow, amazing.

00:57:42.000 Listen, you're impressive.

00:57:44.000 How did you get into anthropology, just in a nutshell, and then how did you find yourself working on Apocalypto?

00:57:49.000 Well, in a nutshell, I grew up in Missouri.

00:57:51.000 I was very interested in cave exploring as a junior high school student and started getting really active in caving all the way through high school and on into college.

00:58:02.000 Spelunking? 0.90

00:58:03.000 Well, cavers call it caving.

00:58:04.000 Other people call it spelunking.

00:58:07.000 Long story short, this led me to Belize, where there are lots and lots of caves.

00:58:11.000 At the time I went there, in the early 70s, they were largely unexplored.

00:58:15.000 You can go through those on the intertubes.

00:58:17.000 Some of them.

00:58:18.000 As a matter of fact, I'm the person who pioneered that cave that's now a big tourist attraction.

00:58:23.000 Wow!

00:58:23.000 I'm going to be going through that.

00:58:25.000 I'll tell you all about it.

00:58:26.000 Ian Anderson is a friend of mine and actually I'm one of the very first people that ever went through there.

00:58:30.000 That's amazing.

00:58:32.000 And I was part of the party that first pioneered.

00:58:33.000 So you're into caving?

00:58:35.000 Into caving!

00:58:35.000 And the caves are full of Maya artifacts.

00:58:38.000 And not just any old Maya artifacts, not just pots lying around.

00:58:38.000 Wow.

00:58:41.000 All you have is, but when you think about what these artifacts are telling us, it looks like it's a collection of sacred water.

00:58:50.000 That's why they put these pots under dripping stalactites. 0.65

00:58:53.000 And there's a sacrificial complex that we're still trying to understand.

00:58:56.000 But I think they may have marched sacrificial victims down into the caves and then, in a ritual context, dispatched them and often decapitated them.

00:59:06.000 I've found, again, I've been the first person to find this stuff.

00:59:10.000 I found walled off corners of cavern chambers with piles and piles of skulls all covered over with flowstone.

00:59:17.000 In closer examination, you find the first vertebra indicating that it was decapitation, and then you find headless bodies lying around in the rest of the cave.

00:59:26.000 There's a large sacrificial complex that took place in caves.

00:59:29.000 Now we know that those cultures, I mean I've read this, you're the expert, they also would bound women and children and throw them into cenotes. 0.98

00:59:36.000 Wasn't that a form of sacrifice?

00:59:38.000 Well it was, yeah.

00:59:39.000 There were times when they did make offerings of women and children, but generally speaking it was males, and generally speaking it was, at least from the picture they tell us, warriors.

00:59:48.000 It was warriors.

00:59:50.000 It was captives taken on the battlefield for the most part.

00:59:53.000 But toward the end of the classic period, we're talking about 750 to 800 AD, somewhere in there, there was wide scale warfare among the Maya.

01:00:02.000 And in that case, it wasn't, I don't think it was simple ritual warfare.

01:00:05.000 It was competition for vital resources, which is land, water and labor.

01:00:10.000 And so they're at each other's throats.

01:00:12.000 You suddenly see lots and lots of evidence of very quickly installed fortifications and just general evidence of destruction of buildings.

01:00:20.000 Were these different kings escalating the sacrificing as a way to also intimidate their rivals?

01:00:26.000 Well, there's no clear evidence that they were escalating the sacrificing, at least nowhere near on the scale that you see in Apocalypto.

01:00:34.000 In Apocalypto, the story that we're being told is that they're escalating the sacrificing because they're being beset by drought and several kinds of plagues.

01:00:43.000 And I don't have any... I can't provide any archaeological evidence for this kind of thing.

01:00:48.000 But it's clear that they made sacrifices about both animals and humans to propitiate the gods, to have favorable weather, And to have the God's support in warfare.

01:01:01.000 Now, in the movie, they bend the people over kind of like a round pole, but then I've seen these chakmuls, you know, the person sitting with their knees up on their elbows, and then the tour guides were saying that that's where they bent them over and cut their hearts out. 1.00

01:01:17.000 What would the difference be in those different sacrificial altars?

01:01:21.000 Well, the sacrificial altars that they bent them over, I mean, there's archaeological evidence of that.

01:01:26.000 It's probably very much like what you see depicted in the movie.

01:01:28.000 In fact, there are Maya monuments that show sacrificial victims lying on their backs, raped, dead, over these monuments with a heart sitting right on top of the chest, indicating that it's just been excised.

01:01:43.000 It's a central theme on a Maya monument.

01:01:46.000 And there are, in archaeological context, stones that appear to have been used for this.

01:01:50.000 The chakmals are Thought to be receptacles for hearts after they were extracted. 0.97

01:01:56.000 Ah.

01:01:57.000 So they didn't use them to actually support the victim during the event.

01:02:02.000 They would, because they've got this little shallow bowl in them that they would place the hearts.

01:02:08.000 We don't know for sure.

01:02:09.000 I mean, we don't have any observers from that time.

01:02:11.000 I read the Mexican flag isn't really an eagle grabbing a snake and some cactus, but grabbing a heart, and that goes back to Aztec symbols.

01:02:18.000 Is that accurate?

01:02:19.000 It does, yeah.

01:02:20.000 Although, you know, it's kind of a recent myth, the whole story of how the Aztecs founded their Their homeland.

01:02:29.000 That symbol on the flag has really grown out of a lot of, I think, misconstruction.

01:02:36.000 Oslon?

01:02:37.000 Well, it's the symbol itself of Oslon, and I don't really want to get into the whole idea of Oslon.

01:02:42.000 I'd like to stay on the Apocalypto.

01:02:43.000 Yeah, let's talk about Apocalypto.

01:02:45.000 We'll be back in just three minutes, and we'll go straight into it.

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01:07:07.000 All right.

01:07:08.000 Apocalypto.

01:07:11.000 The Mayanists, or whatever you want to call them, the local Aztec groups, They like to say that there either wasn't human sacrifice going on, or if it was, it was extremely limited, and it was loving and sweet, and it wasn't bad.

01:07:26.000 And my question is, is skinning people, is cutting their hearts out, is ritual torture loving and good, and are we worthy to talk about it? 1.00

01:07:34.000 I mean, that's kind of the attitude, like, oh, it's so wonderful and good.

01:07:38.000 You're not worthy.

01:07:40.000 I've got an email.

01:07:40.000 You're not even worthy to discuss it.

01:07:42.000 So we're talking to a really serious academic and researcher.

01:07:45.000 She's got a PhD in anthropology and she's Barbara McLeod.

01:07:49.000 She worked big time on the film.

01:07:51.000 Number one in the country, second week in a row, Apocalypto.

01:07:54.000 Let's jump right into it.

01:07:55.000 You've got the floor.

01:07:56.000 Let's run down what really happened and what's real in the film, what isn't, what's used for part of the story.

01:08:02.000 Got to condense it down to two hours.

01:08:04.000 Okay, well, I mean, starting off with a little bit of science.

01:08:08.000 The eclipse happens way faster than a real eclipse would happen.

01:08:11.000 You see the scene in the movie of the shadow of the moon moving across the sun much faster than that would ever take place.

01:08:17.000 The following night, you see a full moon rising.

01:08:20.000 Which would also never happen, because eclipses take place at conjunction, the dark and the moon.

01:08:25.000 So... She can nitpick things like that all day. 1.00

01:08:27.000 Well, but a lot of other people can too, but I don't use it as evidence.

01:08:30.000 Well, I'm not saying you're nitpicking, I'm saying they nitpick.

01:08:32.000 Yeah, well, but, but, but, just, just suspend disbelief, you know, it's done as a poetic device, it's visual poetry.

01:08:39.000 I've done it.

01:08:40.000 Let it happen, it's also, it's, you know, it's a necessary collapsing of time, because the movie is already two and a half hours long.

01:08:48.000 They were scrambling to find ways to make it shorter.

01:08:50.000 It should be 31 to have the whole website.

01:08:52.000 Well, exactly.

01:08:52.000 I mean, if you're going to tell the whole story of the ancient Maya, you know, especially if you're going to try to do it and placate the people who want all of their positive accomplishments given equal time, you'd have a 10 hour movie.

01:09:07.000 And there's no way, you know, you can't, you can't, you can't put that out there.

01:09:12.000 You can't sell that to the American people.

01:09:13.000 Here's my question.

01:09:14.000 Why do these people have a problem With the film, it didn't show ritual skinning or tying people up in a ball and rolling them down the steps.

01:09:25.000 It didn't show ripping the jaws off, as you mentioned in your email.

01:09:30.000 Well, I think it's because it did show a level of violence that the Maya were not, as far as we know, engaged in.

01:09:41.000 Well, we don't know.

01:09:41.000 I mean, yeah, I see it.

01:09:42.000 from the reports of Bernal Diaz del Castillo, who was a main chronicler of the conquest of central Mexico.

01:09:49.000 He reported in great detail that the Aztecs did things like that in vast numbers of people, or too vast numbers of people.

01:09:56.000 He was saying 20,000, but people are now estimating it was probably thousands.

01:10:00.000 Well, we don't know.

01:10:01.000 I mean, yeah, I see it just kind of gets reduced down to smaller numbers.

01:10:04.000 But in any case, it was still a very large-scale sacrifice, We don't have any evidence that the Maya did that kind of thing.

01:10:11.000 But as far as whether the Maya did public human sacrifice, I think we have every bit of evidence to suggest.

01:10:16.000 Well, it's carved all over their temples.

01:10:19.000 It was a spectacle.

01:10:21.000 Sometimes it was private, but sometimes it was public.

01:10:25.000 And I don't think there's any excuse for sanitizing.

01:10:29.000 Well, the Romans did ritualized sacrifice.

01:10:32.000 It was just done in a more sporting way, you know, out there in the arena.

01:10:36.000 I mean, if that isn't human sacrifice, I don't know what is, letting lions tear up women and children.

01:10:40.000 We who are about to die salute you, right?

01:10:42.000 Yeah.

01:10:43.000 Well, it starts with a gladiator, but by the time they were done, yeah.

01:10:46.000 Bears and elephants running around and running over people and burning them and just nuts.

01:10:50.000 Well I would say, and the crowd apparently went nuts from everything we know about that phase of history.

01:10:55.000 I really think that our species has on some deep down level a fascination with this kind of thing.

01:11:01.000 We have a fascination with death.

01:11:03.000 We have a fascination with blood and gore.

01:11:06.000 And I think we need to find some way to channel that in a positive way.

01:11:11.000 We can't deny it.

01:11:12.000 And we are predators.

01:11:13.000 We are predators, that's right.

01:11:15.000 Other primates eat meat.

01:11:17.000 We thought for a long time that chimpanzees only pluck leaves off trees and fruit and so on, but they eat meat.

01:11:22.000 No, they kill other animals, even rocks.

01:11:23.000 That's right, they do.

01:11:25.000 So we do have a bloodlust issue somewhere deep down and a lot of human culture has been focused on containing that or channeling it.

01:11:33.000 It gets channeled into warfare, that's where it mostly goes.

01:11:37.000 Or occasionally it gets channeled into religion.

01:11:40.000 And a lot of ancient peoples and some modern peoples Have rights of animal sacrifice or human sacrifice.

01:11:47.000 And I think that one of the burdens upon us, or at least one of the directives that we have to address is how do we spiritualize that?

01:11:58.000 How do we get past that primeval bloodlust?

01:12:02.000 How do we channel it into something that is worthwhile and loving and good?

01:12:07.000 Now, you worked closely with Mel on the film.

01:12:11.000 Tell us about that process.

01:12:14.000 Well, he was a fascinating guy to watch.

01:12:17.000 There was one week where we had something like 10 to 12 hour days and he was there almost all the time.

01:12:24.000 And he is on top of every nuance of that film.

01:12:27.000 And he's a guy that just doesn't seem to be able to sit still.

01:12:31.000 If he wasn't, he'd sit down for about 15 seconds and then he'd be up and walking all around.

01:12:36.000 You know, when we were actually engaged in the ADR in the sound studio, which is, you know, there's a very sensitive set of microphones, and the actors are up there at the microphones, and they've got cues to overdub what they see on the screen with the lines.

01:12:50.000 And you're there trying to make sure it's as accurate as possible?

01:12:53.000 I'm there to help them make it as accurate as possible, to correct any errors that may have been in the original script, and also to add off-camera lines.

01:13:02.000 And I was working with a young man named Nicholas Pott, and it's important to acknowledge him.

01:13:07.000 He's a native speaker who lives in Los Angeles, but he doesn't speak much English at all.

01:13:11.000 So I kind of helped build a bridge.

01:13:13.000 He and I were conferring constantly about the best way to say something, and so we really were a team in this project.

01:13:20.000 And there were times when we were up on the computer upstairs, you know, writing dialogue as well, which then they could choose from in some of their off-camera lines.

01:13:27.000 But Mel is just, I mean, I'm really impressed with him as a director.

01:13:32.000 He's on top of every emotional nuance of that film.

01:13:35.000 Everything you see in there has passed muster with him.

01:13:40.000 And especially the character development.

01:13:42.000 I think the character development in this film is just absolutely superb.

01:13:46.000 Both the good guys and the bad guys.

01:13:47.000 You really care about them.

01:13:50.000 Exactly.

01:13:50.000 Especially Jaguar Paw and then you got the head warrior guy that's chasing him.

01:13:56.000 Zero Wolf.

01:13:57.000 Right.

01:13:57.000 Zero Wolf.

01:13:59.000 He's got human skulls hanging off under his own chin and hanging off his shoulders.

01:14:06.000 That's fairly realistic because the ancient Maya did sometimes.

01:14:10.000 Decorate themselves with human skulls and human hands skinned hands stuffed and you know hung and little garlands around their neck I mean there's a lot of evidence of this kind of thing so I think one of the most powerful things about apocalypto is the Compassion that the audience just has to feel for Jaguar paw and his community Well, I do feel compassion for him and I mean it was shocking

01:14:35.000 Some have likened it to watching some anthropology film on the Discovery Channel.

01:14:42.000 I mean, that was so realistic, just from what I've seen in footage of people in Brazil and places.

01:14:48.000 Sure.

01:14:49.000 Now, it was not quite realistic in the sense that during the period just before the Spanish arrived, Most of the people who were not actually in the urban centers were still attached to, affiliated with, and engaged in trade, commerce, and paying tribute.

01:15:04.000 There weren't that many people who were living in purely travel vans.

01:15:07.000 No, but there could have been some.

01:15:09.000 There could have been, you know, in remote areas, there could have been people who were out just totally isolated.

01:15:14.000 I wouldn't deny that.

01:15:15.000 But from what I've read though, the Aztecs, I mean we're talking about the Aztecs now, Would march out to get captives for sacrifice.

01:15:23.000 Well, then the Mayans did it too. 0.72

01:15:25.000 But the Mayans, from their own stories that they tell us, suggest that it was done primarily in a battlefield context, where they go out and meet warriors from other cities.

01:15:38.000 We're going to break again.

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01:15:43.000 You're going to actually speak in Mayan here on the air.

01:15:48.000 I guess a different derivation, more ancient form of it.

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01:20:15.000 We're here today talking with Barbara McLeod, Ph.D.

01:20:21.000 She's in studio with us.

01:20:22.000 She worked intimately on the film Apocalypto.

01:20:26.000 With the director Mel Gibson.

01:20:28.000 I mean, he obviously cared in every other movie that just even mentions the Aztecs or the Mayans or that old Mesoamerican culture.

01:20:35.000 It would be in English.

01:20:39.000 They'd probably even have English accents.

01:20:41.000 I mean, he attempts to really immerse you with the original language.

01:20:45.000 He went and hired you, you know, to try to make sure it was really accurate.

01:20:50.000 There's so much to talk about.

01:20:51.000 I'll have to interview you during the week, during the weekday show.

01:20:55.000 We were talking during the break, maybe Thursday, but let's now try to condense all the key areas we haven't covered yet.

01:21:01.000 During the break, you were making a point about how he's basically collapsing these different cultures that had some of the same foundations and history into two and a half hours.

01:21:13.000 I mean, you have to do that.

01:21:14.000 You have to do that.

01:21:15.000 I mean, as a storyteller, you're trying to set a backdrop of a vast culture that spans thousands of years.

01:21:22.000 You're going to have to collapse time and you're going to have to make a kind of cultural mosaic.

01:21:22.000 You have no choice.

01:21:28.000 Either that or you set your story completely accurately within one small time frame.

01:21:33.000 And, you know, he chose as a narrator to create characters that are larger than life and a backdrop that was spectacular visually.

01:21:42.000 It's sumptuous visually.

01:21:42.000 And it is.

01:21:45.000 And he did it by collapsing a little bit of the pre-classic Maya culture into a chunk of the classic culture into a chunk of the post-classic culture, and created something which didn't exist.

01:21:56.000 As far as we know, we have no evidence that it was anything like that.

01:21:59.000 But it was made up of pieces that were accurate.

01:22:03.000 And it was not done in ignorance.

01:22:04.000 It was done absolutely deliberately.

01:22:06.000 Well, I am a buff on the Revolutionary War, and I went and saw the Patriots.

01:22:10.000 It's extremely accurate in many areas.

01:22:12.000 In other areas, it is a mosaic.

01:22:14.000 In fact, he took three different, or the writers of that, took three different historical figures there in that area of the Carolinas, and kind of put them together, because in two hours you've got to.

01:22:25.000 You can't go show every character everything that happened.

01:22:27.000 But it was all based on real things that happened.

01:22:30.000 Mm-hmm.

01:22:31.000 I think that the objection that arises about Apocalypto versus The Patriot or other things, like I mentioned in my email, The Firm, which creates a rather distorted view of the legal profession in the United States, is that we assume that most of the audience, when they see a film like The Patriot or The Firm, know a little bit more about the background, the real background, and so they can contextualize what they see as a cultural mosaic or a mosaic of Of the sort you mentioned.

01:23:01.000 Whereas a lot of people that see this film, Apocalypto, don't know anything about the Maya.

01:23:07.000 And so the objection, which I don't share, is that the first time that people who are naïve and innocent about the Maya see something about the Maya, then they should get something that's fair and balanced.

01:23:17.000 It should be culturally accurate.

01:23:19.000 It should be historically accurate.

01:23:21.000 And I say, well, why should it be?

01:23:23.000 It's a work of fiction.

01:23:24.000 It's not presented as a work of history.

01:23:26.000 You call them, uh, Mayas?

01:23:29.000 I mean, who are the groups that just think they're the best things in sliced bread, and that you can almost worship the whole Mayan system, and these other academics who get really mad and almost act like that you're not even holy enough, and I don't know about myself, to even try to discuss it?

01:23:45.000 Well, first of all, a lot of these people are my friends.

01:23:48.000 I've been in the field long enough that I know an awful lot of people in the field.

01:23:53.000 And they aren't monolithic in their views about Apocalypto.

01:23:56.000 I mean, looking at the debate that went on on this online list that I mentioned to you during the break, there are a lot of diverse views and there are some that support, as I do, Mel Gibson's right to tell a story and to use whatever narrative devices he chooses to tell that story.

01:24:11.000 As you mentioned at the beginning of the show, the core purpose, the core premise of the story is an action-adventure with a foot chase in it.

01:24:19.000 That's what it was conceived as originally, before the Maya were even part of it.

01:24:24.000 That was the story he wanted to tell.

01:24:25.000 In fact, it was going to be more of a Central or Northern North America, right?

01:24:29.000 That's right.

01:24:30.000 It was going to be more of Northern North America, and I'm not quite sure what led him to the Maya, but what he did, decide on the Maya, then he recruited Richard Hansen, who is a Maya archaeologist living in, he's affiliated with a project in Washington, D.C.

01:24:43.000 He works for long periods of the year in Guatemala, and he's tremendously knowledgeable about my archaeology.

01:24:52.000 So he was the primary resource on the archaeology and ancient culture.

01:24:57.000 And then you were the primary resource on getting the language correct.

01:25:03.000 Actually, I was not.

01:25:05.000 I was not involved during the production phase in Mexico.

01:25:09.000 Now, it occurred to me while they were down there to contact them and sign on, and I might have been able to do it, but I was just not able to leave Austin for such a long period of time.

01:25:18.000 I was reading press reports.

01:25:19.000 You were the primary in the post-production.

01:25:22.000 That's right.

01:25:23.000 In the post-production phase.

01:25:24.000 That's what I meant, making sure that it was all correct.

01:25:28.000 And I was working with a young Yucatec man named Nicolas Pott.

01:25:32.000 And he lives in Los Angeles along with a couple of his brothers, and there's a lot of other Yucatec speakers living in L.A. as well.

01:25:38.000 And he and I collaborated together.

01:25:40.000 I would say that he and I were the team that gave them what they needed, their post-production supporters of the language.

01:25:46.000 Now, when you're down in Mexico, you see the Mayan folks. 0.92

01:25:50.000 They look just like the folks in the movie because Mel went and got a lot of the actual people that are indigenous down there to be in the film.

01:25:58.000 He did.

01:26:01.000 The language they speak today, I mean, is that the same Mayan that was being spoken 500 years ago?

01:26:10.000 Pretty close.

01:26:11.000 It depends where you are, but in Yucatan, the language that was spoken 500 years ago was probably no more different from Modern Maya than the English that was spoken 500 years ago is for modern English.

01:26:22.000 It would differ primarily in terms of the vocabulary.

01:26:26.000 There'd be a lot of vocabulary that we have in modern English, which would not have been in English 500 years ago.

01:26:31.000 Like gun.

01:26:32.000 Well, or computer.

01:26:34.000 For them, I meant like the Maya would never work for gun or sailing ship. 1.00

01:26:39.000 That's right, but they borrowed words they did have, and they adapted them to new things.

01:26:44.000 So it's kind of like English grows.

01:26:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:46.000 Languages all grow the same way.

01:26:47.000 There's a lot of universals across.

01:26:50.000 It has to do with the way we're hardwired as human beings, the way in which language evolves.

01:26:55.000 How much evidence is there that there was trading between Asia and the Mayan culture?

01:27:00.000 Because when you're down there, a lot of the places, their archaeology guys will say, we have jade that's only in Asia.

01:27:06.000 Here at Tulum, the ships came in, It's certainly not impossible, and there are people that are very interested in trans-oceanic contact.

01:27:17.000 As far as regular trade back and forth, I don't think there's much evidence of it.

01:27:21.000 But that's a whole other story, too.

01:27:24.000 It's just when other ancient people made landfall in the Americas, and there certainly is some evidence that a Chinese expedition got to the west coast of the U.S.

01:27:33.000 before Columbus got to I mean, there is definitely a lot of evidence of pre-Columbian contact, but as far as the Maya and other ancient people being regularly engaged in trans-oceanic trade, I don't think we have any significant evidence of that.

01:27:55.000 Um, nor any evidence that they, uh, interbred with Chinese people.

01:27:59.000 I mean, they have Mongolian-type features because the best evidence is that they came over across the Bering Strait exactly over thousands of years ago.

01:28:07.000 Well, they have the Mongolian spots, too.

01:28:09.000 The children.

01:28:12.000 That you see in Asians, the purple spots that CPS think the children have been beaten, but no, Asians get purple spots on their backs when they're babies. 0.99

01:28:19.000 I'm telling CPS workers out there, stop grabbing the Asian people and the Mexicans' kids, because those are there until they're about five. 1.00

01:28:25.000 And here's an interesting little sideline that might be worth chasing at some point.

01:28:29.000 There are a lot of people of Germanic origin who also have mongrel spot and the shovel-shaped incisors. 1.00

01:28:37.000 And the epicanthic eye folds because of the invasions of the Mongol horrors that made contact with and conquered Germanic people. 0.86

01:28:37.000 Yeah. 0.86

01:28:44.000 Sure, sure.

01:28:46.000 So, you know, we're all mixed up.

01:28:47.000 We've been mixed up forever.

01:28:48.000 Well, take Russia. 0.72

01:28:49.000 You know, the Slavic folks, very Asian.

01:28:54.000 But anyway, I mean, one point I wanted to make is that Mel Gibson deliberately collapsed time and cultures to create a backdrop.

01:29:05.000 A very rich and sumptuous visual backdrop and cultural backdrop to tell his story.

01:29:10.000 He did it on the scale of the warlike urbanites and he did it down there on the scale of the peaceful hunter-gatherers.

01:29:20.000 And both of those are characters that are larger than life.

01:29:24.000 They've been written larger than life in order to create empathy with and interest in those people to tell his story.

01:29:31.000 Final segment, I want to read through a translation in English and then to Mayan.

01:29:39.000 From the film, it's powerful stuff about fear being a sickness, which you've certainly conquered, flying your airplanes and stunt flying.

01:29:46.000 That was my favorite scene in the film.

01:29:48.000 We'll be right back.

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01:34:02.000 We've kind of gone on another path this week, getting into a little bit of history.

01:34:07.000 Welcome back.

01:34:10.000 We've kind of gone down another path this week, getting into a little bit of history, but it illustrates what elites, what ideas can do, what the Romans did, what the Aztecs, what the Mayans were doing.

01:34:23.000 This bloodlust comes up over and over again.

01:34:25.000 That's really the danger of an all-powerful state, because anybody's whim can then become the norm.

01:34:31.000 I really want to thank now, before the show ends, Barbara McLeod, PhD, anthropologist who worked on Apocalypto, for joining us.

01:34:39.000 During the break we were talking, it's been more interesting than frankly on air, it's It's always that way, but this whole broadcast has been amazingly important and at the same time entertaining.

01:34:49.000 In the film, big spikes with human heads and skulls on them.

01:34:54.000 I've been down to Chichen Itza, the ball playing court.

01:34:57.000 Hundreds of skulls carved into the sides.

01:34:58.000 They say that the winners and the losers were killed.

01:35:01.000 What's the truth?

01:35:02.000 Are the skulls on poles real?

01:35:04.000 The heads?

01:35:05.000 Did they kill the winner or the loser?

01:35:07.000 What's the truth?

01:35:08.000 Well, I think the evidence really strongly points to the fact that they killed the losers.

01:35:13.000 The idea of killing the winners and people playing the wins so that they can be nobly sacrificed is kind of a fascinating idea, but I don't really think it's very realistic.

01:35:23.000 But, nonetheless, there's a lot of evidence of human sacrifice at Chichen Itza.

01:35:27.000 Both sacrifice of ball players.

01:35:29.000 You may have seen the scenes on the sides of the ball court where a ball player is kneeling and his head is being chopped off.

01:35:36.000 In fact, his head has just been chopped off.

01:35:39.000 And then the other ball player, the winner, is holding the decapitated head and out of the cut neck spurt seven serpents and a vine.

01:35:49.000 So there's a lot of real mystical, magical, rebirth stuff going on there.

01:35:53.000 What about 2012?

01:35:55.000 I mean, the nuts are getting ready to go crazy on that date.

01:35:58.000 Oh, it's the end of the world!

01:35:59.000 But you're able to actually read the real calendar.

01:36:03.000 You can read the original language.

01:36:05.000 What does it actually say?

01:36:06.000 Well, what I have access to, and I've actually been involved in deciphering it, and I'm one of the people who deciphered this phrase, is the last time this came around, which was back in 3113 B.C., And the cycle is roughly 5200 years.

01:36:22.000 It's closer to 5129 years because the core unit is not 365, it's 360.

01:36:29.000 Now they had a solar year of 365 days, but what we're talking about is the great cycle of what they call the long count.

01:36:37.000 It's their day tally.

01:36:38.000 And in that phrase, for the last time this event happened, it says, will be changed the hearth at the mouth of the sky.

01:36:47.000 And I think that what I write into that and read into that is that the sky was seen as a house and the hearth is the core of culture within that house.

01:36:56.000 And that's going to change!

01:36:58.000 Now they're not telling us a whole lot about what really happened there, but we get a lot of history from before that event.

01:37:04.000 A lot of these monumental texts tell us about the actions of deities before this event took place.

01:37:10.000 So they clearly believe that there was a before and after.

01:37:14.000 And I see no reason to think there's not going to be a before and after in this situation.

01:37:18.000 So even if people believe in their religion today, or have got some new age concoction from it, It doesn't really say the planet blows up?

01:37:29.000 No, nothing like that.

01:37:30.000 Nothing like that.

01:37:31.000 In fact, there are ancient Maya monuments that cast forward into our times and beyond.

01:37:36.000 And they make it clear that they expect things to carry on.

01:37:39.000 The only thing they really say about it, and again, I've been very much involved in deciphering this, is that they expect to be able to keep the gods happy.

01:37:48.000 How many of the professors and academics you work with are into this now and believe it?

01:37:55.000 I'm one of the few who's really explored it.

01:37:56.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:37:58.000 No, for the most part, everybody disbelieves it.

01:38:00.000 But I think that I'm one of the few who's really explored it.

01:38:04.000 I have tried to build a bridge between the straight academic world and the myth makers, the people who are millennialists who really want something to happen.

01:38:14.000 We're going to have to have you back before we run out of time.

01:38:17.000 Go through that.

01:38:18.000 I would like to read something.

01:38:19.000 This is actually from the script of Apocalypto, and it's one of the most powerful parts.

01:38:26.000 I'm going to read it in native Yucatec Maya and translate it.

01:38:29.000 This is the speech of Flint Sky to his son, Jaguar Paw, after they meet the terrified people in the forest.

01:38:40.000 You are troubled again.

01:38:41.000 Those people in the forest, what did you see on them?

01:38:46.000 Fear.

01:38:46.000 Deep, rotting fear.

01:38:46.000 in the forest, what did you see on them?

01:38:49.000 Sakhki, fear. 1.00

01:38:51.000 Tam kak a sakhki, deep, rotting fear. 1.00

01:38:56.000 Le tiob utzai a tiob le lo tawila, they were infected by it, did you see?

01:39:01.000 Le sakhilo up el kohanil, fear is a sickness.

01:39:06.000 It will crawl into the soul.

01:39:08.000 It has tainted your peace already.

01:39:09.000 I did not raise you to see you with fear.

01:39:12.000 Strike it from your heart.

01:39:14.000 It has tainted your peace already.

01:39:19.000 I did not raise you to see you with fear.

01:39:26.000 Strike it from your heart.

01:39:29.000 Do not bring it into the village.

01:39:35.000 How similar is it to some of the tribes that were in Central North America?

01:39:37.000 At first light, we will gather with the elders at the sacred hill of our fathers.

01:39:44.000 There we will call on our spirits to guide us.

01:39:52.000 That's a pretty language.

01:39:54.000 How similar is it to some of the tribes that were in Central North America?

01:39:57.000 Because it sounds, just to my ear, somewhat similar in its cadence to some of the other Native American groups in what is the U.S. today.

01:40:07.000 Well, there's really no strong evidence of affiliation with any Native North American groups, but there are some linguists who have attempted to create what they call military groups.

01:40:15.000 macro-families in which they put some of the languages of the northwest coast some of the languages of California that are now extinct with the Mayans and there are a lot of other people that don't agree with that and I you know I have to kind of sit on the fence with that.

01:40:29.000 How old is Mesoamerica or how long ago?

01:40:32.000 Some say 30,000 20,000 to 12,000 I mean from the evidence you've got how many thousands of years ago did these Asian nomadic tribes come out of Russia down into What is Alaska today and then down into Chile?

01:40:48.000 Well, there are some people who claim it's as old as 50,000 or greater.

01:40:53.000 There could be two or three ice ages ago.

01:40:55.000 Based upon the types of tools that they find.

01:40:58.000 I would take a somewhat more conservative view, but it's also territory that I don't command very well and say, well, 10,000 years.

01:41:04.000 Well, what do the majority of the quote experts say?

01:41:07.000 The last one 12,000 or even before that?

01:41:09.000 Probably in that range of 12,000.

01:41:12.000 It's amazing.

01:41:14.000 It's so interesting.

01:41:17.000 I wish I could go study stuff like this.

01:41:18.000 To you, is that a pretty language?

01:41:21.000 That was nice to the ears.

01:41:22.000 It's a beautiful language.

01:41:23.000 I love this language.

01:41:24.000 I'm just absolutely delighted that people all over the planet are going to get to hear it.

01:41:29.000 I think that's one of the sweetest things about this movie is that it's going to expose people.

01:41:33.000 To the Mayan language, and to the Maya people, and anybody who's really interested in finding out more about the Maya, if they really want the fair and balanced view, they're going to go get it.

01:41:42.000 You know, it's easy to get.

01:41:43.000 You know, there's just so many sources out there.

01:41:45.000 How would you say prison planet in Mayan?

01:41:49.000 Who am I?

01:41:49.000 Let me think about that.

01:41:50.000 Like jail and planet.

01:41:52.000 Um, you know, I have to know how to say jail.

01:41:55.000 I've known that in the past.

01:41:58.000 Um, is it kalom chet?

01:42:00.000 Kalom chet? 0.95

01:42:03.000 Prison Planet.

01:42:05.000 Just so I know and I'll listen to it later.

01:42:07.000 How do you say it?

01:42:10.000 It's a tied-up, tied-up palisade.

01:42:13.000 Palisade Earth.

01:42:15.000 Okay, so how do you say that and then company dot com?

01:42:22.000 I don't know that I can come up with that right now.

01:42:25.000 Let's work on that for Thursday.

01:42:26.000 Absolutely.

01:42:28.000 Well, listen, if you want to come in the studio on Thursday down to my office where I do the weekday show, that's great.

01:42:33.000 Or telephone is just as good.

01:42:35.000 Whatever is good for you, you're welcome.

01:42:38.000 In closing, I wanted to just... Do you think the film is starting to win over some of the academics that at first were angry about it?

01:42:48.000 I haven't had enough opportunity to talk to them about it.

01:42:51.000 I only saw the final theater production a few days ago.

01:42:56.000 But you said when Gibson was here a few months ago, you saw it without sound.

01:42:59.000 No, no, it had sound.

01:43:01.000 I mean, music, music.

01:43:02.000 It actually had a score.

01:43:04.000 It had a score that was borrowed from some other source.

01:43:06.000 It didn't have James Horner's score.

01:43:09.000 And I saw it with David Stewart, who is a professor of art history here at the University of Texas.

01:43:14.000 Was that back in October when Melkin and the Elmore Drafthouse?

01:43:17.000 Yeah, you saw that at that time too, didn't you?

01:43:19.000 No, I was trying to go, but then I had a family engagement I didn't get to.

01:43:22.000 So I'm very angry about it.

01:43:24.000 Well, I did see it then, and then Dave Stewart and I... No, I'm saying I saw it again when it just came out there.

01:43:28.000 Same place, yeah.

01:43:29.000 Yeah.

01:43:30.000 So, anyway, Dave Stewart and I talked about it for about 20 minutes afterwards.

01:43:34.000 And we both agreed that we both really liked it. 0.97

01:43:36.000 You know, that it just really, you know, I remember using the phrase, it kicked ass. 0.85

01:43:41.000 It just really got me involved.

01:43:43.000 I thought it was a powerful film, total immersion.

01:43:45.000 I felt like I was teleported there.

01:43:48.000 Talking about getting past fear, you were afraid of flying and now you're a stunt pilot.

01:43:51.000 That's right.

01:43:52.000 And that's another whole story.

01:43:53.000 It's just one of the most remarkable things that's ever happened to me.

01:43:58.000 I just decided that I discovered I had a passion for flying that was buried underneath all that fear, but it's... you know, to tell that story properly would, you know... But you know, fear really is a sickness.

01:44:09.000 I see... It's a sickness, and it's also an illusion.

01:44:12.000 It's an illusion.

01:44:13.000 Well, I mean, in my job, you've just got to get past fear.

01:44:15.000 Fear what people think about you first, and then physical fear.

01:44:19.000 Well, Professor Barbara McLeod, PhD, worked big time on Apocalypto.

01:44:24.000 We really want to thank you for coming in.

01:44:25.000 This has been an amazing interview.

01:44:27.000 We're going to put it up on the web at PrisonPlanet.tv.

01:44:29.000 We want to thank you out there for watching, and thank all of you out there for listening.

01:44:33.000 Until next time, vaya con Dios.

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