Alex Jones Show - 20070510_Thu_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:26.000 Welcome, welcome, welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:28.000 It is already the 10th day of May, 2007.

00:00:33.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

00:00:37.000 We're going to be live here for the next three hours.

00:00:40.000 Coming up, we're going to have a little five-minute update from Reverend Ted Pike on the state of the First Amendment killing hate bill that's in the House and the Senate right now.

00:00:52.000 Then we're going to be joined by Jim Mars, who is one of the preeminent experts on the JFK government-sponsored assassination 43 and a half years ago.

00:01:03.000 He'll be joining us to go over all the latest developments with E. Howard Hunt, who he's always fingered as being involved.

00:01:11.000 Now his son going public with the written pages and the tape of E. Howard Hunt talking about being involved in the operation under the command of LBJ to kill John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

00:01:23.000 Then in the third hour, we're going to be joined by the author of Debunking 9-11 Debunkers.

00:01:32.000 The one, the only individual who has gotten a lot of respect in mainstream circles because he's such a respected academic, and that's David Ray Griffin.

00:01:43.000 So that's three guests today.

00:01:45.000 We'll also take phones when each of the guests are on with us.

00:01:49.000 In the meantime, I have a lot of different important audio clips.

00:01:52.000 Webster Tarbley.

00:01:54.000 I got on Hannity and Combs last night.

00:01:56.000 I've never seen Combs acting more as Newshounds called it properly, brutish, really under the fox heat, calling us all sorts of names and trying to spin what was really said by Kerry a few weeks ago here in Austin, Texas.

00:02:18.000 So that is coming up.

00:02:19.000 We'll be playing that in this hour.

00:02:23.000 We have several other important audio clips as well for you.

00:02:27.000 Giuliani set to fully embrace abortion.

00:02:31.000 He will definitely get a lot of Republican support with that move.

00:02:34.000 Anything anti-America.

00:02:35.000 He's fake conservative, support it.

00:02:37.000 Open borders, gun control, abortion.

00:02:39.000 It's the new way.

00:02:40.000 Of course, I'm being somewhat sarcastic.

00:02:42.000 That leads me to the article written by Paul Watson that I commissioned yesterday.

00:02:45.000 It's excellent.

00:02:47.000 I hope you get it to the four wins.

00:02:49.000 Only Ron Paul can defeat Hillary Clinton.

00:02:53.000 The Republican camp is completely discredited and hated by conservatives in the country, and libertarians, and of course, mainline progressives and liberals.

00:03:03.000 But everybody across the political spectrum respects Ron Paul.

00:03:07.000 He is a constitutionalist.

00:03:09.000 I don't have to tell you, the listeners, that.

00:03:11.000 But still a lot of mainline conservatives haven't woken up to this fact completely, that everybody else is a dead duck, which is exactly what the RNC wants.

00:03:20.000 They just share power.

00:03:21.000 It's time to pass the baton to the trusted Clintons.

00:03:25.000 Only Ron Paul can defeat Hillary Clinton.

00:03:28.000 We have News Corp.

00:03:30.000 Firmly promoting and doing fundraisers behind Hillary. 1.00

00:03:33.000 I've seen them with horror the last year.

00:03:36.000 Softened towards her.

00:03:37.000 Rupert Murdoch just went public saying he believes in man-made global warming.

00:03:41.000 He's for a global tax.

00:03:42.000 I have that in the stack today.

00:03:44.000 We are in a deadly crisis with Fox News on one side, the Clintons on the other, in a vicious, treacherous, pincer attack against the American people.

00:03:56.000 And against the people of the world. 0.73

00:03:57.000 We've got to get the word out.

00:03:59.000 Fox News is behind the Clintons.

00:04:04.000 Now, it'll be too late, probably, but by the time conservatives can actually believe this, by the time they finally figure out they've been betrayed, and that they've been manipulated and played, and it happens to the best of us, by the time you wake up to this incredibly complex treachery, it may just be too late, ladies and gentlemen.

00:04:23.000 I don't like being played, and I was played, you know, 15 years ago as being a little Republican, but I woke up to that 12, 13 years ago.

00:04:33.000 And it's time for you to wake up.

00:04:34.000 The Clintons and the Bushes, narcotics traffic together.

00:04:37.000 They've been CIA going way back to Clinton.

00:04:40.000 Went right out of high school.

00:04:42.000 This is completely staged. 0.60

00:04:43.000 Fox News is a black op.

00:04:45.000 We'll go over all of it when we get back.

00:04:48.000 And the greening of Fox News and much more.

00:04:51.000 Stay with us.

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00:08:04.000 By the sea we will gather for the fight.

00:08:12.000 That's been so many years So many tears we have lost once before.

00:08:21.000 Now we'll settle the score when our cannons will roar.

00:08:27.000 Watch and wait, get ready for the sign There are many here among us now

00:08:53.000 Who have not seen the light when I sing The word to all the people in the land Go to every hill and mountain For the time is not at hand So light up fire Light up fire Light up fire

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00:09:38.000 There is so much news to cover here again, ladies and gentlemen.

00:09:43.000 For those that just joined us, I...

00:09:49.000 I am going to be having, well coming up in the second hour we're going to have Jim Meyers spawn talking about all the big new developments concerning the JFK assassination.

00:10:00.000 Remember last week and the week before that the news came out, in fact it was just a week ago, about a week and a half ago and we've already pretty much forgotten and glazed over it, that the son of E. Howard Hunt released the audio tape and the handwritten pages and did a valiant interview.

00:10:20.000 He'll be joining us on Monday.

00:10:22.000 St.

00:10:22.000 John Hunt.

00:10:26.000 St.

00:10:27.000 John Hunt.

00:10:29.000 The son of E. Howard Hunt, the CIA Section Chief Black Op Commander who overthrew multiple nations from Guatemala to the failed Bay of Pigs to what happened with the Watergate burglars.

00:10:42.000 He was the head honcho on that.

00:10:45.000 One of the head honchos on the Kennedy assassination, and there it is, publicly admitted, fits in with all of our decades of research, and we've kind of just glazed over it now.

00:10:56.000 The mainstream media wouldn't touch it.

00:11:00.000 The cover of the Rolling Stone a month ago did mention the written pages and kind of obliquely covered it from a side angle, but still poo-pooed certain areas.

00:11:13.000 Kind of attempted in a half-hearted, uh, anemic way to discredit it, but they couldn't.

00:11:21.000 But nothing on 60 Minutes, nothing on CNN, nothing on History Channel, nothing anywhere, ladies and gentlemen, only small pockets of alternative talk radio and the growing Internet.

00:11:34.000 That's the good news.

00:11:34.000 Ten, twenty years ago, they had the monopoly.

00:11:40.000 They had it all.

00:11:42.000 And now they don't have that monopoly anymore.

00:11:45.000 So that is coming up.

00:11:51.000 And then David Ray Griffin in the third hour will have a brief update coming up here in about 20 minutes from Ted Pike on where the free speech attacking, destroying, annihilating, decimating, Legislation is on the hate crimes, and I know every few months we talk about this, sometimes even every few weeks, because they're constantly assaulting us.

00:12:12.000 They count on us to finally just give up.

00:12:16.000 On the microchipping, on the open borders, on the gun control, on the Ritalin and Prozacing of our population, we have to say, no, we're not going to give up. 0.67

00:12:27.000 In fact, we're only going to intensify, and we're never going to stop.

00:12:32.000 It's like a tennis game.

00:12:33.000 We've just got to get into it, Get your adrenaline up.

00:12:35.000 Know you're going to win.

00:12:37.000 Quit hesitating.

00:12:38.000 Quit thinking about it and just take action.

00:12:42.000 And then we're going to win this game.

00:12:44.000 We're going to win this fight.

00:12:46.000 But it's really just that simple.

00:12:54.000 Let me go ahead and get into this Ron Paul news.

00:12:56.000 I know we've been leading the broadcast almost every day now with Ron Paul.

00:13:00.000 And that's because In 1993, it was a staged event.

00:13:08.000 Really, what you had was Ross Perot, who'd made billions off of government contracts, who I don't trust two inches, and that's a whole area of discussion.

00:13:21.000 I mean, in 1992-93, I supported Ross Perot.

00:13:27.000 I supported Ross Perot right as I was getting out of high school into college.

00:13:31.000 That's how young I am.

00:13:34.000 And I supported him, and then later I found out that he'd been in business with the Clintons, and I found out that all he was doing was attacking George Bush Sr., and that at a larger level, George Bush Sr.

00:13:47.000 was well aware of the whole thing, and it was nothing but a dog-and-pony show to ensure that he sucked enough conservative votes Uh, that Bill Clinton got into office, not because it even mattered.

00:13:58.000 Bush Sr.

00:13:58.000 and Clinton worked overtly in business together, and CIA operatives together, but that it was important theater for the country.

00:14:07.000 And that they wanted Clinton in because he could carry the ball because he was fresh in the game.

00:14:14.000 They're on the same team, folks.

00:14:16.000 They just put in a new player.

00:14:17.000 When they pull one quarterback or one running back or one linebacker or one nose guard out of the game or one tackle, when they pull them out of the game and they send in somebody fresh, when they send in a fresh player, that's not a new team, ladies and gentlemen.

00:14:37.000 Okay?

00:14:38.000 That is the exact same people.

00:14:40.000 And as soon as the public realizes this, we can set about saving this country.

00:14:46.000 Now, the public has picked up on this to a certain degree now, and they know that they basically ran a corpse, Bob Dole, against Bill Clinton in 96, and he never really ran.

00:14:57.000 That was a staged event.

00:14:58.000 Because Clinton was a weak figure, and they couldn't run anybody strong against him, so that was another staged event.

00:15:09.000 And the same thing happened in 2000.

00:15:10.000 They ran Mr. New World Order, Mr. Global Tax, Mr. Man May Global Warming against Mr. Skull and Bones from Kenny Budport, Maine.

00:15:23.000 And, of course, the people didn't vote the way they wanted them to in handing the baton.

00:15:30.000 And so Al Gore properly conceded And then in 2004, they had another show election with John F. Kerry.

00:15:40.000 And again, you can't just steal elections in Ohio and New Mexico and many other areas.

00:15:45.000 You have to also have the boxer take a dive.

00:15:49.000 And again, most of you now know that Don King sponsored boxing has a good chance of being staged.

00:15:56.000 And most of you know that there's a lot of chicanery.

00:15:59.000 and skullduggery going on in horse racing.

00:16:03.000 A lot of drugging and a lot of people holding horses back and a lot of, you know, fifty million dollar a piece bets riding with Arab sheiks and royalty there. 0.82

00:16:13.000 All betting, in some cases again, it's been reported some bets have been over fifty mil.

00:16:20.000 And when something's that big, you can bet there's going to be chicanery involved. 1.00

00:16:24.000 And it's come out with the rigging of baseball and manipulation of football.

00:16:29.000 Only in key plays on key games, ladies and gentlemen, with key players.

00:16:35.000 Well, I assure you that all the rigging in the world has nothing on politics.

00:16:41.000 Remember in Taiwan when the leader was about to get kicked out so he staged a shooting of himself?

00:16:47.000 Then that came out.

00:16:47.000 It was headline news but didn't become a big part of the news cycle.

00:16:51.000 I mean, they do all sorts of stuff, is the point I'm trying to make here.

00:16:56.000 And we can forensically track what they're doing and learn what they're doing and understand how they're stealing elections, how they're manipulating the public mind.

00:17:08.000 And there's no doubt that Ron Paul is the real deal.

00:17:12.000 There's no doubt that in my lifetime, nothing this real has come along.

00:17:17.000 I mean, you could say that Ronald Reagan was an actor, and he was controlled by globalists, but he was his own man, and he really did want to cut taxes, and he was certainly handled.

00:17:30.000 I wouldn't say he himself was evil.

00:17:33.000 And we know that he said horrible things, which were true, about George Herbert Walker Bush.

00:17:38.000 It's been in the news, but we've had big heavyweight Republicans on here who heard it said, who saw the speeches and saw what happened at the 1980 convention, where Bush Sr. in 1976 and then again in 1980 had wanted to where Bush Sr. in 1976 and then again in 1980 had wanted to run, but he hadn't He finally did in 1980.

00:17:59.000 And in 1979, Reagan went all over Florida and Texas and New York and California, saying he's a CFR, trilateralist, Rockefeller, elitist.

00:18:11.000 Because back then the Republican Party grassroots was totally Barry Goldwater, totally anti-New World War or John Birch Society.

00:18:19.000 And Reagan went around and then they told Reagan, you're not going to get this nomination unless you put as VP H.W.B.

00:18:26.000 Bush.

00:18:28.000 Okay?

00:18:29.000 George Herbert Walker, Mr. former CIA.

00:18:34.000 And sure enough, Reagan got in there and within a year, the Secret Service didn't protect him, did they?

00:18:39.000 No, they were sure that he got put in that car and got a bullet put in him.

00:18:45.000 And Reagan was never the same after that.

00:18:48.000 Ron Paul has borne the fruits.

00:18:51.000 He has made the right votes, done the right things, given the right speeches, never deviated from that.

00:18:57.000 The proof is in the pudding.

00:19:00.000 He did a great job in the debate and stood on his principles, and he won the debate in every major scientific and unscientific poll.

00:19:09.000 He has the highest web traffic numbers indexed by Alexa and other sites of anybody in the field.

00:19:16.000 He is now preeminent.

00:19:20.000 He is preeminent.

00:19:21.000 He is the Republican candidate.

00:19:23.000 He should be the nominee, and he would beat Hillary Clinton.

00:19:28.000 We are seeing something phenomenal happen here, ladies and gentlemen.

00:19:33.000 And that's why I get mad at people who have bad attitudes and say this can't happen.

00:19:37.000 I know they've got election fraud in place.

00:19:39.000 I know that there is... It's very hard for him to win, but you know what?

00:19:43.000 People do win in sudden death over time.

00:19:47.000 And believe me, folks, we need a Hail Mary right now.

00:19:50.000 I think this is God giving us a chance for a reprieve.

00:19:54.000 Ron Paul... Well, we'll detail it for one more segment on the other side, then get into all the other news and play some clips.

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00:24:11.000 Cause I see you at the catch.

00:24:13.000 Baby, baby, never be your life together Oh, sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

00:24:31.000 Yeah, sometimes Satan, you know, because there's a man of peace.

00:24:36.000 We got sweet kisses.

00:24:42.000 Hillary Clinton.

00:24:44.000 Welcome back.

00:24:57.000 Hillary Clinton.

00:25:06.000 Only Ron Paul can defeat Hillary Clinton.

00:25:11.000 Which is why the corporate elite that have already selected the New York senator are doing their best to blackball the Texas congressman.

00:25:20.000 I'm so proud of my state, folks.

00:25:24.000 Including Yahoo, who lied by claiming Paul had not filed papers to officially run and omitted him from their website coverage.

00:25:34.000 You notice how so much evil comes from Texas, but also so much good is coming from Texas to resist it?

00:25:41.000 And you notice the New World Order's main push for the North American Union on multiple fronts is centering in Texas?

00:25:48.000 And I literally was born and live, and I am right in the middle of the front line, ladies and gentlemen.

00:25:53.000 I'm blessed.

00:25:54.000 I'm right where God wants me to be, ladies and gentlemen.

00:25:57.000 Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate to carry a message that resonates with the American people.

00:26:05.000 His thoroughbred anti-war and anti-big government stance But the establishment press have done their level best to keep Paul in the shadows while lying and claiming that every participant featured in this week's debate was pro-war.

00:26:22.000 Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate to have voted against the Iraq War.

00:26:27.000 Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who will not seek to lead the United States into a military confrontation with Iran, something also that Democrats Obama, Clinton, and Edwards have all vowed to keep on the table.

00:26:41.000 That's right, if it gets out to the Democrats that there's a Republican who's actually anti-war and who's always voted against it, It's over, folks, because there's masses of on-the-fence conservatives and Reagan Republicans who are totally against this war.

00:26:56.000 Over 70% of the country in Gallup poll is now against it, and growing.

00:27:00.000 I mean, it's growing.

00:27:03.000 We're talking upwards of 75% in the last polls I saw.

00:27:06.000 I mean, this is unbelievable defection from the warmonger camp to the pro-freedom camp.

00:27:12.000 So they're in a desperate situation.

00:27:14.000 They can't let the word get out that there is a pro-gun, pro-border, pro-America, anti-corruption, anti-war candidate.

00:27:24.000 I mean, if it gets out, which it is getting out, there's no way they can stop him.

00:27:29.000 He's going to get millions in contributions.

00:27:31.000 He was on three or four weeks ago with us.

00:27:33.000 And he said on air the majority of the support he's gotten from this show.

00:27:38.000 Frankly, that's shameful.

00:27:39.000 I talked to him off air and he said, yeah, most of the money they've gotten is from this show.

00:27:43.000 And whereas on one side of me I'm proud of that, on the other side I'm upset because six hundred and something thousand is chicken feed for a presidential campaign.

00:27:54.000 But even with only that much money, which is still good for no national coverage, And I would imagine now with the debates in the last three or four weeks, I need to get back in touch with the Congressman.

00:28:04.000 We're working on, he's got all new staff, on jumping through all those hoops and getting the Congressman on.

00:28:13.000 But it is, it is, and again, I'm so busy making films and things, I can't dress up in a tuxedo.

00:28:20.000 I'm not even going to go to that fundraiser they're having here in Austin in a few weeks.

00:28:27.000 It is just so important that we support the congressman.

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00:34:14.000 I appreciate popping in with us.

00:34:15.000 Before we do that, I haven't really plugged this yet on air.

00:34:18.000 I mentioned that we were going to do a contest last week, and I thought it was Wednesday!

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00:35:14.000 It's Push the Truth, 9-1-1 Inside Job Jam Video Action Contest.

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00:35:22.000 It needs to be sent to us by no later than noon on June 12th.

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00:36:01.000 Who will judge it?

00:36:05.000 I say it closes June 12th.

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00:37:39.000 Alright, thank you for holding while I introduce that.

00:37:42.000 Truthtellers.org is the website.

00:37:44.000 He's the Reverend Ted Pike.

00:37:47.000 And he is the watchman on the wall ringing the alarm bells on those that would ban free speech in America, as they've done in many areas of Europe and now Canada.

00:37:57.000 Christians are being arrested for praying on sidewalks in the United States.

00:38:01.000 Pastor Ted Pike, thank you for coming on.

00:38:03.000 Well, thanks for having me, Alex.

00:38:05.000 Just in a nutshell, tell us where the legislation is and what it will do.

00:38:09.000 Some people are reading some of the flowery language in it and not reading the key hooks that are in it, and they're claiming that, oh, it isn't as bad as Ted Pike says.

00:38:18.000 Oh, no, the bill is actually worse than I have been saying over the past few months.

00:38:22.000 I've been researching especially the original law that was passed in 1969.

00:38:28.000 You see, the present federal hate bill that's now before the Senate is actually a series of amendments to hate crimes legislation passed in 1969 at the height of the civil rights movement.

00:38:39.000 And at that time, this legislation was designed to protect blacks from what's called verbal intimidation, in which, let's say, southern rednecks would persuade less than educated blacks that they weren't smart enough or weren't clean enough or weren't whatever to sit at the same lunch southern rednecks would persuade less than educated blacks that they weren't smart enough or weren't clean enough or weren't whatever to sit at the same lunch counter or ride on the same bus or go 0.74

00:39:05.000 So this anti-intimidation or anti-hate bill of 1969 is really the foundation for the modern hate bill.

00:39:12.000 Now, if we fast forward to 2007, what's happened is that the homosexuals and the ADL have inserted in that place of violence. 0.96

00:39:21.000 of language meant to protect blacks from intimidation. 0.97

00:39:24.000 They've inserted homosexuals, transvestites, transgenders, and so on. 1.00

00:39:29.000 So now it becomes a hate crime under this legislation, which is now before the U.S. Senate, to verbally intimidate, quote-unquote intimidate, and nobody knows exactly what that means.

00:39:40.000 Now let's be clear here. 0.96

00:39:41.000 This was designed for an Alabama or Georgia or Oklahoma or wherever, with the Klan coming up and saying to black folks, you know, we're going to kill you if you vote. 0.98

00:39:52.000 That's totally different than Christians kneeling and praying on a street corner saying that this is biblically wrong what you're doing, dancing around naked in the streets at an outfest. 0.98

00:40:03.000 Well, that's right.

00:40:03.000 Not only that, but the original civil rights law in 1969 says it's also a hate crime, a federal hate crime, to aid and abet anyone who wants to or attempts to verbally intimidate these members of the federal republic.

00:40:20.000 And they pass the same stuff in England.

00:40:22.000 In England, BBC headline, hundreds arrested in overnight hate raid.

00:40:26.000 And I thought, oh boy, were they killing people?

00:40:28.000 And I read into the article a few years ago and it said they were heard on street corners.

00:40:33.000 Or they were in restaurants, and they pay them to sit there eating in lavish restaurants, police listening to what you say.

00:40:39.000 Folks, this is the Soviet Union, and now they're saying, oh, we're going to arrest you if you don't say global warming's real.

00:40:44.000 We're going to arrest you if you say the UN's bad.

00:40:47.000 Oh, we fired and fined a minister.

00:40:50.000 He said the EU was Nazi.

00:40:52.000 You're not allowed to use that term in any connotation But for Jews in World War II, now they want Lou Dobbs fired, because he said the open border crowd lies like Nazi propaganda.

00:41:06.000 And now he needs to be fired.

00:41:08.000 See how this expands, folks?

00:41:09.000 Yeah, you bet.

00:41:10.000 And what this legislation does is it really puts a chill on free speech, especially for two categories of people.

00:41:17.000 That's talk show hosts and pastors or ministers from a pulpit.

00:41:21.000 Because, you see, if they Let's say you put me on and I intimidate homosexuals from thinking, well, you know, maybe since I have AIDS or I have hepatitis, I'm talking about the homosexuals, maybe that intimidates me from feeling that I as a homosexual can be hired as a counselor at a summer camp, or a P.E. 0.98

00:41:45.000 coach, or a food handler, or even a pastor in a congregation.

00:41:51.000 If I'm a homosexual and I hear Ted Pike saying that on the radio, and Alex Jones aids and abets me by putting me on the radio, according to this hate bill which is now before the Senate, both of us would be standing in the docket indicted for a hate crime.

00:42:08.000 Now let's be clear.

00:42:09.000 Three years ago in Philadelphia, they arrested people and charged them with 47 years.

00:42:13.000 It's all on your website.

00:42:15.000 It's all over the web with the video for kneeling and praying.

00:42:20.000 And they said that is hateful.

00:42:22.000 And folks, even if you disagree with Ted Pike's views or you disagree with people's views on homosexuality, the point is you better support free speech because this is aimed at everyone's free speech in this country.

00:42:36.000 It's on so many fronts that they want to restrict free speech.

00:42:41.000 They desperately need to do this, and going back to the Fairness Doctrine that they didn't get rid of until 87, there was no real talk radio in this country because you had to give equal time, you couldn't criticize a group, you look at the campaign finance reform that Bush signed in 2002, the McCain-Feingold bill, and what does it do?

00:43:06.000 It says for six weeks before an election, I can't have Ted Pike, I can't have Gun Owners of America, any group that's lobbying politically.

00:43:16.000 Yes, it is.

00:43:16.000 and everyone ignored that though it is law now but everyone universally ignored it so it is that they're unable to enforce it but they claim and they tried to tell host no you can't everything is about stopping free speech isn't it reverend the yes it is now this legislation as i said is is ready to go if it if it is passed into law and in a very dramatic voter last thursday the house of representatives did overwhelmingly passed this legislation

00:43:43.000 Now, I'm getting emails saying that it doesn't exist and that it didn't pass and that everything's okay.

00:43:50.000 Did you hear?

00:43:50.000 It has passed the House.

00:43:52.000 It's now in the Senate.

00:43:54.000 That's right.

00:43:54.000 Now, fortunately, the President, as a result of a massive amount of pressure from the New Right and Far Right and so on, I did intervene last Thursday.

00:44:04.000 He sent a message to Congress that if they did pass the hate bill in both the House and Senate, his top advisors are advising him to veto it.

00:44:14.000 But meanwhile...

00:44:16.000 In the Senate, it's moving forward very rapidly.

00:44:19.000 In fact, in a very high-handed way, the Senate Judiciary Committee is moving it out.

00:44:26.000 It's actually in judiciary, but they're planning next Monday or so to move it out with absolutely no hearing.

00:44:32.000 Where do you think they're going to attach it as a pork barrel item?

00:44:35.000 Well, it's been stand-alone legislation in the House, and they were planning on doing that in the Senate.

00:44:42.000 Oh really?

00:44:43.000 Haven't they in the past mainly attached it as a rider?

00:44:47.000 They have, but they've been so bold and so confident this year with the Democrats in control that they thought they could do it stand-alone in the Senate as well.

00:44:55.000 But in a call yesterday I made to Kennedy's office, they told me that they are now considering trying to kind of disguise it as on the underbelly of some You know, pork legislation, whatever, but it was announced, in fact, last Tuesday to be up for a possible vote on the floor of the Senate today or tomorrow, this week.

00:45:18.000 However, I have made some more calls back there, and this big drug prescription legislation is preoccupying the Senate right now.

00:45:26.000 But it's definitely being pushed back until next week, and this is really a golden opportunity for everybody to take these extra few days... Yeah, all we need is four or five senators.

00:45:35.000 Who do we target?

00:45:37.000 Who's on the fence?

00:45:39.000 Well, actually, there are 14 Republican senators who voted for the hate bill in 2004.

00:45:47.000 And at our website, truthtellers.org, we have those very conspicuously displayed.

00:45:54.000 And also there's 17 who have not declared themselves.

00:45:58.000 We also have that list.

00:46:00.000 And also we have 10 Democrats who have not co-signed on this legislation.

00:46:06.000 Now this is very interesting because the House bill passed With 14 Democrats refusing to vote for the hate bill.

00:46:16.000 This is absolutely unprecedented.

00:46:18.000 14 ducked the Democratic majority and went against the hate bill.

00:46:23.000 This is an indication we might pick up a Democrat or two in the Senate.

00:46:27.000 And if we could even get only five Republicans to come back to the Republican fold and vote against the hate bill, along with a couple Democrats, we could smash the hate bill in the Senate next week.

00:46:39.000 Absolutely, and you notice they're more skittish about gun control now because they had so many political defeats in the 90s, and over 80% on average of those that voted for anti-gun bills were removed through the voting process of the people.

00:46:55.000 And so we need to continue to drive a stake through the heart.

00:46:58.000 I know people get fatigued having to battle this every session, but if you don't Literally, folks, they're going to start arresting talk show hosts and pastors, like they do in Canada and Germany and England, and you're not going to hear true, candid discussions, and the darkness is going to increase.

00:47:15.000 Reverend Ted Pike, thank you for the update.

00:47:17.000 We'll talk to you next week.

00:47:18.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:47:19.000 You bet.

00:47:20.000 Thank you.

00:47:21.000 Alright, getting back to only Ron Paul can defeat Hillary Clinton.

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00:47:31.000 And when we get back, I'm going to get a little bit into 9-11 with Webster Tarpley being viciously attacked as they try to spin things in overdrive on Fox News last night.

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00:54:16.000 This is where Hannity comes in and starts saying, OK, who blew it up then?

00:54:19.000 Tell me, tell me.

00:54:21.000 Well, the government's never convicted anybody on 9-11.

00:54:23.000 The government's never proven how those buildings fell.

00:54:25.000 The government can't say how the bombs got in there.

00:54:28.000 We just know that Al-Qaeda is CIA controlled.

00:54:31.000 We know this whole thing was supported.

00:54:33.000 We know there's controlled demolitions from the witnesses in Building 7, and the police, and Larry Silverstein, and all of it.

00:54:40.000 Let's see, they try this tactic of, oh, then who put the bombs in there? 0.83

00:54:45.000 It's absolutely pathetic as Tarpley is being, what they did was pathetic as they tag team Webster Tarpley on Fox News. 0.93

00:54:53.000 You know this folks, they never have me on Fox News because I will clean their clocks. 0.97

00:54:58.000 Tarpley did a pretty good job though, here it is.

00:55:00.000 ...thing collapsed in the middle first.

00:55:02.000 It's classic controlled demolition, just in the same way that the Twin Towers were.

00:55:06.000 What would be the motivation, Mr. Tarpley?

00:55:08.000 Why would the government do it?

00:55:09.000 What would be behind their thinking?

00:55:11.000 Give me a reason, give me a motivation here.

00:55:13.000 It amounts to a rogue network.

00:55:14.000 It's the people who brought you the Kennedy assassination, the Gulf of Tonkin, the bombing of Serbia. 0.98

00:55:19.000 Their goal is the war of civilizations, and that's what you see.

00:55:23.000 Using this as a premise, They have attacked Afghanistan, attacked Iran. 0.94

00:55:29.000 They're preparing to attack Iran. 0.94

00:55:31.000 They've attacked Iran. 0.97

00:55:33.000 Let's go to the videotape.

00:55:34.000 So you're saying that after the planes hit the Trade Center, that the government, in a controlled fashion, went in and then bombed the... No, that's exactly what I'm not arguing.

00:55:45.000 What are you doing?

00:55:45.000 This is a controlled demolition, and this is the shallowness of Kerry.

00:55:49.000 If you want to have a controlled demolition, it takes at least several days of very careful... And you think that happened?

00:55:54.000 And do you believe that happened, sir?

00:55:56.000 Yes, that's obviously what happened.

00:55:58.000 Dan, let's show the video so we can remind everybody exactly what we're talking about.

00:56:02.000 That's building 7.

00:56:03.000 They don't talk about this.

00:56:04.000 So you're saying because it looks like a controlled demolition, do you have any evidence who loaded up that building with some...

00:56:14.000 Explosives.

00:56:14.000 This is exactly what the Kane-Hamilton Commission did not do.

00:56:21.000 Who loaded up the building with explosives?

00:56:23.000 Someone who has very capable, controlled demolition expertise. 0.69

00:56:27.000 Not Bin Laden, not Al-Qaeda, not some group of psychotic patsies in a cave of iron. 0.81

00:56:33.000 But somebody who actually can do these things.

00:56:35.000 The physical, technical ability to create, to absorb You throw out all these allegations, but you have no proof, and you have a conspiracy theory.

00:56:43.000 Here's my question.

00:56:43.000 I commend my book to people's attention.

00:56:46.000 500 pages.

00:56:46.000 We saw the pictures of the planes hitting the building.

00:56:49.000 Bin Laden himself was taking... But not this building!

00:56:52.000 Excuse me.

00:56:52.000 The question we were asked in Austin was about World Trade Center 7.

00:56:57.000 No plane!

00:56:58.000 Webster, if you take a deep breath, I'm going to help educate you here.

00:57:01.000 If you watch the buildings get hit by the planes and Bin Laden takes credit for it. 0.51

00:57:06.000 Now, there was an investigation.

00:57:07.000 Which Bin Laden?

00:57:08.000 That Bin Laden? 0.80

00:57:09.000 That would be Osama Bin Laden. 0.87

00:57:10.000 The Bin Laden who says he did it, there's a Bin Laden who says he didn't do it. 0.98

00:57:14.000 We're going to play more.

00:57:14.000 I mean, he did a great job of them talking over him.

00:57:17.000 All I would have brought forward is Northwoods.

00:57:19.000 The U.S.

00:57:20.000 government has staged terror attacks before.

00:57:22.000 It's now declassified.

00:57:24.000 But he basically tried to do that.

00:57:27.000 Now, a lot of times they just cut your mic off, too, and you could see they were starting to fade it down.

00:57:31.000 We're going to play more of it later.

00:57:33.000 It's just so frustrating to watch this.

00:57:34.000 They have both of them double-teaming him.

00:57:37.000 By the way, we have 9-11 Synthetic Terror. 0.62

00:57:40.000 We carry it at InfoWars.com.

00:57:41.000 It's one of the books we carry.

00:57:43.000 And I think it is one of the best books just on how these rogue networks work, how they operate, how these overall programs are carried out.

00:57:52.000 9-11 Synthetic Terror is excellent and it's available at InfoWars.com and it deserves to be seen.

00:57:58.000 We're going to be posting some new Tarp Lease pictures as well up on PrisonPlanet.tv very, very soon.

00:58:04.000 I mean, the bottom line motive is just like Hitler and the Reichstag. 0.89

00:58:11.000 You stage a terror attack to get this done.

00:58:14.000 And when they start talking about planes hitting the buildings, you just bring up the fact that, oh, you mean the people standing in the wounds of the buildings that weren't on fire but the columns all shattered?

00:58:22.000 The firemen and police reported that bombs were going off?

00:58:25.000 The owner says that they gave the order to pull the building?

00:58:28.000 Bam, bam, bam! 0.65

00:58:30.000 It's irrefutable.

00:58:32.000 Alright, we're gonna come back and we're gonna get into the JFK assassination and all the big developments there.

00:58:41.000 This broadcast is available on MP3 CD format at GCNlive.com or call toll free 877-300-7645.

00:58:48.000 Big Brother. Mainstream media.

00:59:00.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:04.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:18.000 We're going to be having Jim Mars with us coming up in the next segment for the rest of the hour to discuss all the huge JFK assassination developments with E. Howard Hunt tape being released and so much more.

00:59:31.000 We're going to get his expert analysis.

00:59:33.000 He's even taught college courses.

00:59:36.000 Taught the first course.

00:59:37.000 Now they're quite popular on JFK Assassination.

00:59:40.000 And he was a newsman there in Fort Worth and reported on it, of course, in the Dallas-Fort Worth area for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

00:59:51.000 So, that is coming up.

00:59:53.000 By the way, Ron Paul will be participating in May and June debates.

00:59:56.000 This is an InfoWars.net article written by Russell Gentile, who we appreciate writing for us.

01:00:03.000 He says he spoke with Ron Paul's campaign office today, inquiring as the Fox debate on May 15th, and the official word is Ron Paul will be participating.

01:00:11.000 Now, folks, this has been going on since Monday, and their office can barely conduct business.

01:00:16.000 We told you on Monday.

01:00:20.000 That he is participating.

01:00:22.000 It is a rumor.

01:00:24.000 If you want to help Ron Paul's office, you need to tell everybody this is a rumor and get everybody focused on stopping Yahoo and stopping Fox, which controls MySpace, in censoring his bulletins, blocking his face off the main page.

01:00:40.000 Yahoo now says that they have not posted him on their site talking about the debate because he isn't a candidate.

01:00:46.000 Total lie!

01:00:48.000 Uh, that's the serious issues.

01:00:51.000 And I'm getting emails saying, how dare I not, you know, stand up and get him in the debates.

01:00:56.000 Okay, fine.

01:00:58.000 Okay, I just can't, I can't make everybody happy.

01:01:01.000 And there's, there's a lot of just, and I'm glad to see this type of frothing energy.

01:01:04.000 That's good.

01:01:05.000 But let's direct it into something that matters.

01:01:09.000 Uh, he will be in the June 5th debate in New Hampshire, televised on CNN.

01:01:14.000 Also, since the last debate, Ron Paul's office has seen a 4X increase in donations, and web traffic and interest has increased dramatically.

01:01:23.000 The campaign, in their words, is going well, even though you wouldn't know it by the major media.

01:01:28.000 Ron Paul needs us to spread the word for him.

01:01:31.000 However we see fit, please talk to your friends, neighbors, spread the word, and if you can, make donations.

01:01:38.000 Absolutely.

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01:01:42.000 Go get the article that we wrote up on PrisonPlanet.com.

01:01:46.000 Only Ron Paul can defeat Hillary Clinton.

01:01:48.000 The dig censors are in there trying to dig this down. 0.85

01:01:51.000 Let's just run over the top of them and dig it up to the main page.

01:01:54.000 This site is hundreds of times bigger.

01:01:57.000 In ranking.

01:01:58.000 It's like 40-something now, and Drudge is 500-something.

01:02:02.000 To give you an idea of how big Dig is, okay?

01:02:04.000 One of the biggest secrets on the web.

01:02:05.000 People don't seem to know how important this is.

01:02:08.000 Rampage it right over the top of them.

01:02:10.000 Lately we've been having victories.

01:02:11.000 You've been pushing Dig stories that we put over the top, on the main page, and we're getting millions of readers from it.

01:02:19.000 So let's just run over them!

01:02:21.000 Take the hill, run over them! 0.98

01:02:25.000 They've been caught censoring, and that's blown up in their face.

01:02:28.000 It's now been proven that Digg is rigged.

01:02:30.000 But you know what?

01:02:32.000 Even when they rig something, folks, if you just gut up, you can usually run over the top of them.

01:02:37.000 And then you make them steal it in front of everybody.

01:02:40.000 Just because they steal elections.

01:02:42.000 You let all the polls show Ron Paul's gonna win.

01:02:45.000 You let them steal it in front of everybody.

01:02:47.000 You see, you make them show everybody who and what they are.

01:02:53.000 Alright, I'm done ranting about that, but it is extremely important.

01:02:58.000 I told you how Fox News is now behind Hillary. 0.94

01:03:01.000 We have all the proof of that posted.

01:03:02.000 They're really running her campaign and advising her.

01:03:04.000 I've seen them softening for her on television.

01:03:07.000 Now it comes out Murdoch sets emissions goal.

01:03:10.000 This out of the News of Australia.

01:03:12.000 The Herald Sun, the world's top media company, news corporation, will slash its global carbon footprint to zero under a bold plan revealed by its chairman, Rupert Murdoch.

01:03:23.000 Saying the Global Empire produced 641,150 tons of greenhouse gas last year, the news chairman and CEO last night pledged to go green.

01:03:32.000 He says he believes in global warming, and of course he wants the global tax that the big bankers that finance him are pushing. 0.98

01:03:39.000 If there was ever a doubt that man-made global warming is a fraud, and their solution of global tax is a fraud, there it is, you dumb mainline liberals! 0.98

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01:06:54.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk.

01:06:56.000 Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.

01:07:02.000 Well, Jim Mars has taught college courses on the JFK assassination.

01:07:07.000 He started out working for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram as a crime reporter.

01:07:12.000 Driving around covering the police, and what a great position to cover the JFK assassination, right there in the DFW area, Dallas-Fort Worth area.

01:07:24.000 For the next 51 minutes that we've got left in this hour, he is our guest today.

01:07:29.000 By the way, we carry his book on the 9-11 operations at Infowars.com.

01:07:35.000 We'll be telling you about that a little bit later.

01:07:39.000 Jim Mars, of course we have links to his website too up on Infowars.com.

01:07:44.000 Jim, it is great to have you with us, my friend.

01:07:47.000 Well, it's always good to be with you, Alex.

01:07:50.000 You're out there leading the charge.

01:07:53.000 Jim, so much has happened.

01:07:55.000 Just for those that don't know who you are, you might have been hiding under a rock somewhere.

01:07:59.000 In a nutshell, tell us about Jim Mars and then let's get into what really happened.

01:08:03.000 This new E. Howard Hunt stuff coming out just confirms on top of the mountains of evidence that you and others have brought forward on what really happened with JFK.

01:08:13.000 There is some shading there, as you told me during the break, and I agree.

01:08:18.000 I've got his son who's a great guy coming back on Monday.

01:08:22.000 But I would also add that you contributed to the script and consulted on the film JFK.

01:08:28.000 But lay it out for us.

01:08:30.000 I mean, who Jim Mars is and what this E. Howard Hunt material means. - Well, okay, first off, who I am.

01:08:37.000 Basically, I'm just an old print news reporter.

01:08:41.000 I have a degree in journalism.

01:08:43.000 I dedicated myself to journalism many, many, many years ago.

01:08:47.000 I'm also the last of a dying breed.

01:08:49.000 I'm a generalist.

01:08:50.000 I know a little bit about a lot of things, okay?

01:08:53.000 And that's getting to be kind of hard to find in this day of specialization and compartmentalization.

01:09:02.000 Basically what happened to me was I didn't leave journalism.

01:09:05.000 Journalism left me.

01:09:07.000 Today, particularly in the electronic media, you don't have people who are trained and educated in journalism.

01:09:14.000 You just have air personalities and they're at the whims of the programming directors Uh, who are looking for numbers.

01:09:24.000 And so you get fluff stories and puss stories and government propaganda and no, but there doesn't seem to be any, uh, real hardcore investigative journalism.

01:09:35.000 This is why things like 9-11 could happen.

01:09:38.000 And, uh, it's taken us 40 years to finally come around and realize that the official conspiracy theory is just full of holes.

01:09:46.000 Now, as far as the Kennedy assassination goes, it's really pretty simple.

01:09:51.000 The one thing everyone can agree on about the Kennedy assassination is that it's controversial.

01:09:57.000 But I'm here to tell you, it's not.

01:10:00.000 It only appears controversial because of the wide gulf between those who have just blindly accepted the government's official pronouncements, backed by little or nothing, as opposed to those who have actually studied the case.

01:10:00.000 Okay?

01:10:17.000 And if you study the case, what you find is that if Oswald acted alone, and that's a very big if, he didn't act alone.

01:10:30.000 I mean, he did not act alone.

01:10:32.000 There are gunmen on the knoll, there was all kinds of people with Secret Service identification running around in Daly Plaza when none were supposed to be there.

01:10:41.000 There was an army intelligence agent who got trapped in the school book depository, had to show his ID to get out, and was taking photographs of the Texas school book depository prior to the shooting.

01:10:52.000 I mean, I could go on and on.

01:10:53.000 So obviously, he did not act alone.

01:10:56.000 And if he did not act alone, then by dictionary definition, there was a conspiracy.

01:11:01.000 And if there was a conspiracy, then it's obvious that that's been covered up officially to this very day, which means that could only have taken place.

01:11:11.000 Khrushchev could not have covered it up.

01:11:13.000 Castro could not have covered it up.

01:11:15.000 A few mobsters could not have covered it up.

01:11:18.000 It was covered up at the highest levels of federal government in the United States.

01:11:21.000 The Kennedy assassination was a coup d'etat, and that was when the government of the United States changed due to a violent act, which is the definition of a coup d'etat.

01:11:32.000 And it's the same thing on 9-11.

01:11:34.000 9-11, they've been covering it up, and they have the motive, and then surprise, surprise, surprise, they're involved and ended up with their eyeballs.

01:11:41.000 Exactly.

01:11:42.000 Now, 43 years later, Almost the polls show that virtually everyone in the country realizes that Kennedy was killed as a result of a conspiracy, but it's like so much time's gone by, it's kind of like, oh well, so what?

01:11:56.000 Alright, now, when you talk about 9-11, the evidence and the facts would show that 9-11 was an inside job, that at very best, high officials knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen.

01:12:10.000 Now, the evidence for that is so plain, so in your face, that it makes the Kennedy assassination look like a deep, dark mystery.

01:12:20.000 Well, I agree with you, but let's go back here, because I want to get into 9-11 some today, but let's get into JFK first.

01:12:27.000 I know someone as immersed as yourself, probably the preeminent living expert, Jim, That it's a no-brainer and you're kind of like, hey, it's old news.

01:12:37.000 But it isn't old news in that if Bruce Willis finally says there was a coup d'etat, the government's been overthrown since 1963, the people that killed Kennedy are in power right now, he's clearly saying the Bushes, and we know George Herbert Walker was involved, the evidence is overwhelming there.

01:12:54.000 I mean, if even their poster boy, who bought all their propaganda, has now woken up to it and gave an interview to Vanity Fair.

01:13:02.000 And by the way, he woke up because of 9-11.

01:13:04.000 Right.

01:13:05.000 In my documentaries.

01:13:06.000 But on record, we're even getting Bruce Willis's, who totally is so patriotic he bought into anything.

01:13:15.000 Oh, he was a big Republican neocon supporter, wasn't he?

01:13:18.000 Exactly.

01:13:19.000 I mean, that means that if it does become publicly admitted, then that opens the doors in people's minds to start understanding that other operations could be the government.

01:13:32.000 And now Gulf of Tonkin's admitted and Ajax has admitted.

01:13:35.000 How big is it to have E. Howard Hunt release this tape, A, A. B. Why do you think he released it?

01:13:43.000 And clearly C. He's holding back on, you know, obviously a few things, calling it the big event and claiming that Kordmeier was in command.

01:13:51.000 From your research, exactly how involved was E. Howard Hunt?

01:13:55.000 Well, let me just start with the note to Oswald.

01:14:01.000 Back in the 70s, someone sent researcher Penn Jones a letter from Mexico City.

01:14:08.000 It was all in Spanish, and basically just said, I think you need to know about this.

01:14:12.000 And enclosed was a copy of a letter that said, Dear Mr. Hunt, Uh, before anything is done by me or anybody else, I think I should, I would want to, uh, establish exactly what my position is.

01:14:25.000 And it's something like that.

01:14:26.000 And it's signed Lee Harvey Oswald.

01:14:28.000 Now, since, uh, then when Penn Jones made that public, it was coming out of Texas and out of Dallas.

01:14:35.000 And a lot of people thought that that might refer to H.L.

01:14:38.000 Hunt, the old Texas oil man.

01:14:40.000 But since it came out of Mexico City, me and other researchers feel like that that note was probably to E. Howard Hunt, who had been acting station chief in Mexico City about that time.

01:14:54.000 So that place is Hunt, right in the center of the plot to kill Kennedy.

01:15:00.000 Now, in his deathbed so-called confessions, I think that he, number one, was trying to clear his conscience.

01:15:08.000 Number two, he was trying to kind of set the record straight.

01:15:11.000 Keep in mind that he had maintained for years he had nothing to do with it and was home with his family the weekend of the assassination.

01:15:18.000 I already knew that was false because I at one point met a woman who had been friends with his daughter and his daughter said privately, no he wasn't there, we all wondered where he was.

01:15:29.000 John says he remembers being in school and being scared when his dad was out of town.

01:15:29.000 Well St.

01:15:35.000 Exactly.

01:15:36.000 So he lied about that.

01:15:40.000 Major CIA officer, so he's trained, conditioned, and lived a life of lies, so we can't just put 100% truth on that.

01:15:49.000 I think the importance of his deathbed confession is that he did, without any equivocation, blatantly state that the assassination of President Kennedy was a domestic plot, which it was.

01:16:05.000 And then, of course, though, he said he turned it down.

01:16:08.000 They came to him and said, we want you to participate.

01:16:11.000 And he said, no.

01:16:11.000 Well, actually, what he says is I was a benchwarmer, meaning he was just kind of drifting around.

01:16:18.000 Right.

01:16:19.000 And I think he's trying to downplay his role in the whole thing.

01:16:23.000 Well, that's because if it comes out, even his son that had to keep it quiet for three years could then be implicated, you know, an accessory after the fact for conspiracy covering up.

01:16:33.000 Right, exactly.

01:16:34.000 And none of us should ever forget that there is no statute of limitations on murder.

01:16:41.000 Okay, and if someone can be proven to have been involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, forget your federal panels.

01:16:49.000 They should be brought before a grand jury, and there should be murder indictments issued.

01:16:53.000 In fact, in 1963, there were no federal statutes about killing the President.

01:16:58.000 The assassination of President John F. Kennedy occurred in Dallas, Texas.

01:17:02.000 Therefore, it was a Texas homicide.

01:17:04.000 In fact, this is something interesting.

01:17:08.000 The coroner in Dallas tried to prevent the removal of Kennedy's body from Parkland Hospital.

01:17:14.000 He said, this is a local crime.

01:17:15.000 I have to make a ruling.

01:17:16.000 I have to do some investigation.

01:17:18.000 And they actually pulled guns on him and threatened him and said, this is the President of the United States.

01:17:22.000 Get out of the way. 0.53

01:17:23.000 And they just physically pressed past him.

01:17:26.000 and went on, and they said later this was on orders of Lyndon Johnson.

01:17:30.000 So in other words, Lyndon Johnson, a Texan, one of the first things he did upon becoming president of the United States was to violate the laws of his own state.

01:17:38.000 And that should point you in the direction of the guilty parties.

01:17:43.000 That I do not know.

01:17:44.000 Now, we've always gotten the report about that meeting at Clint Merchinson's house the night before Kennedy was killed, and there had been reports that E. Howard Hunt was there.

01:17:52.000 That I do not know.

01:17:52.000 Is that accurate?

01:17:54.000 I've also heard reports that George Herbert Walker Bush was there, and that I cannot prove either.

01:17:59.000 But what seems to be fairly substantiated, and again, this goes back to work that was done by Penn Jones and others, and plus my discussions with Madeline Brown, is that present at that meeting on Thursday night was J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon, the Texas oil men, and Lyndon Richard Nixon, the Texas oil men, and Lyndon Johnson showed up late.

01:18:20.000 And she said that Johnson went into the other room, they left the women alone, as was the custom, they went in there and conferred, and then when they came out, Johnson whispered to her fiercely, he said, those G.D.

01:18:32.000 Kennedys will never bother me again after tomorrow. 1.00

01:18:36.000 And this was on Thursday night prior to the assassination.

01:18:38.000 I also have information, though, that George Herbert Walker Bush was in Dallas at that time.

01:18:44.000 But you have to... Hold on, we got a break.

01:18:46.000 We know he was CIA.

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01:18:49.000 We know there's a photograph that is a spitting image of him.

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01:23:01.000 They railed against the crowd.

01:23:04.000 Jim, I tell you, people can hear the off-air conversations.

01:23:07.000 That's the real radio.

01:23:08.000 Let's try to repeat and recap what you were talking about running through evidence of George Herbert Walker, Nixon, there at the meeting.

01:23:16.000 That's confirmed.

01:23:17.000 And what this means now to the general public to have E. Howard Hunt, who was clearly photographed there with Frank Sturgis and others, as the bums or the hobos.

01:23:29.000 I mean, what this means to now have this and Salon coming out and reporting that Bobby instantly knew it was a hit in the conspiracy, but was afraid the public would think he was crazy if he went public.

01:23:40.000 Go ahead.

01:23:41.000 Well, wouldn't it have been something that when Lyndon Johnson landed in Air Force One at Washington, that there had been a phalanx of federal marshals there to place him under arrest?

01:23:54.000 Of course, that would have been a huge shock and a huge upset for the country, and that's what caused a lot of people who really played no part in it to cave in and go along because, you know, the one rule of the game is don't give away the game.

01:24:08.000 But here's an important point that everybody has to understand about the Kennedy assassination.

01:24:13.000 uh... in nineteen sixty two there were no republicans in texas texas was part of what was called the solid south and ever since the war between the states uh... they've been the south had nothing but democrats okay and it was only nineteen sixty two and here's what happened there's an interesting story uh... in nineteen sixty when johnson

01:24:37.000 Got on the Democratic ticket and was running as a somewhat liberal Democrat along with John Kennedy.

01:24:44.000 He came to Texas and ran through the Texas legislature some legislation that is now known as the Johnson Law, which allowed him to run as a somewhat liberal Democrat on the national ticket and still run for his Senate seat as a conservative Democrat from Texas.

01:25:03.000 But as we all know, by a very, very thin margin, the Kennedy Johnson ticket won.

01:25:09.000 And so that left his Senate seat open.

01:25:12.000 Seventy-two people filed for that seat.

01:25:15.000 Seventy-one of them were Democrats.

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01:25:22.000 And because it so split up the ticket, John Tower, as a Republican, actually won.

01:25:27.000 And that was quite a shock to the people in Texas.

01:25:31.000 So, Texas had only had Republican representatives.

01:25:34.000 And of course, they later blew up Tower's airplane.

01:25:37.000 Tower, who had paid his dues and was all set to become Secretary of Defense, was suddenly they turned on him and said, no, we're not going to do that because he was not a New World Order member.

01:25:37.000 That's true.

01:25:49.000 And as a result, Tower said, well, I'm going to write a tell-all book.

01:25:54.000 And he was in the process of doing that when his plane went down and his manuscript has never been found.

01:25:59.000 But you have to understand, that's why Bush does not figure prominently in the public scenes at that time because he was a Republican in Texas that was still dominated by the Democrats.

01:26:15.000 But we do have Nixon there at the final go-ahead meeting at the Oilman's house in Dallas.

01:26:23.000 The fact that we do know Bush was in the CIA, that's clear.

01:26:26.000 They didn't just make him director a few years later out of nowhere, and then go through the stories you got about him in the hotel with Nixon.

01:26:32.000 Okay, but first let me explain.

01:26:34.000 It was his father, Prescott Bush, a very powerful Republican Senator from Connecticut.

01:26:40.000 See, the Bushes are not true Texans. 0.99

01:26:41.000 They're just Yankee carpetbaggers. 1.00

01:26:44.000 And they came down here, they've looted the state, now they're looting the National Treasury.

01:26:48.000 Um, his father, though, helped create the CIA, so the family, and we all know the CIA has been a good old boy network, and so he's been close, he was closely connected to the CIA all along.

01:27:01.000 I am still in touch with a Black Ops military pilot who flew arms and ammunition for the Bay of Pigs invasion, and he said that they were using the pot of drilling of Midland Odessa as a front, as a cover, for flying arms and ammunition for the anti-Castro Cuba.

01:27:16.000 Well, we have letters with CIA Ops mentioning George W. Bush.

01:27:21.000 Exactly.

01:27:22.000 So, and of course that explains why in 75 our unelected President Gerald Ford suddenly just reaches down, pulls out this Texas oil man, George Herbert Walker Bush, and makes him head of the CIA.

01:27:33.000 It made no sense at the time unless you knew this deep family background connection to the CIA.

01:27:40.000 We also have an FBI document the very next day, November the 23rd, 1963, that was reporting on the reaction of the anti-Castro-Cuban community to the assassination, and it says this information was provided verbally by Mr. George Bush, the CIA.

01:27:57.000 That all came out even back in '92, but they tried to brush it off and say, "Oh, that was a different guy." And of course, so the mass media dropped it, but later they actually found George Bush, who had worked for the CIA, and he said, "I was just a lowly analyst, and I was in the Northeast, and I never had anything to do with the anti-Castro Cubans." So again, we're back to George Herbert Walker Bush being intimately connected with the CIA, even as far back as 1961 at the Bay of Pigs invasion.

01:28:26.000 And then a spitting image of him taken in the same group of photos of E. Howard Hunt now, basically admitted to be E. Howard Hunt.

01:28:33.000 When we get back, let's talk about why the media has been completely silent on these new huge E. Howard Hunt revelations.

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01:32:09.000 I think it's really important that we all pause and think about the fact that our Over 90% of the American people in every major poll now believe that the government was involved in killing Kennedy, that there was more than one shooter.

01:32:32.000 And those are numbers from like a year ago, six, eight months ago at the last anniversary.

01:32:41.000 It's just going to get bigger and bigger.

01:32:43.000 And when you have Bruce Willis, but see, I'm not even bad-mouthing Bruce Willis.

01:32:48.000 His dad was in the army, his mother was German, he grew up on a military base until he was five years old over in Germany.

01:32:56.000 He loves America, he thinks patriotism, he's just doing whatever the government says and being conservative.

01:33:03.000 So for somebody like him to go, yeah, the criminal elements killed him, there was a coup d'etat, they usurped and took over the government, and they're still in power today, they may kill me, but I don't care.

01:33:17.000 And by the way, we told you behind the scenes that he saw my films, he woke up, Rick Linklater just brought that up out of nowhere, and the reason I bring that up is it shows how a film can change things.

01:33:28.000 It shows how an action can change things.

01:33:32.000 And he really is a poster child or an archetypal example, a canary in the coal mine for the New World Order because Bruce Willis just shouldn't go Okay, maybe you're right about a little bit.

01:33:45.000 Once you make the decision to look at the evidence, which you did do, by the way.

01:33:48.000 You did research on it.

01:33:50.000 Once you make the decision to actually go look at it, and then you find out you've been lied to, then you see everything else makes sense, and now you're not mindlessly trusting anymore.

01:34:00.000 Now you're looking under rocks.

01:34:02.000 Now you're doing a more thorough investigation.

01:34:04.000 And see, what happened to Bruce Willis is happening to the whole country right now.

01:34:09.000 And we were talking during a break, Jim, and you were talking about the fact that you're getting all these emails and calls going, hey, did you know Kennedy really was killed by the government?

01:34:16.000 Hey, did you know Building 7 fell?

01:34:18.000 Hey, did you know that there was insider trading and Bush was massing troops outside Afghanistan in the month before?

01:34:24.000 I mean, now...

01:34:26.000 And I keep saying every six months, every year, that we're at a new plateau, a new level.

01:34:31.000 And it's exponential.

01:34:32.000 Well, now we just went light years ahead of that.

01:34:35.000 And I'm telling you, one or two more big jumps, it's over, folks.

01:34:40.000 It's over for them.

01:34:42.000 And so they're busy telling you you can't win, there's no hope, nobody cares.

01:34:45.000 They're trying to act arrogant.

01:34:47.000 No, they're scared now.

01:34:48.000 Jim, would you agree that we're seeing an actual flashpoint catalyst here?

01:34:53.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:34:54.000 In fact, what I look on as quite a hopeful sign is that, I mean, I was there six years after the Kennedy assassination, and it was not considered socially acceptable to even discuss it in public.

01:35:07.000 And if you said anything other than Oswald did it all by himself, you were basically ostracized and looked on as unpatriotic.

01:35:15.000 Today, we're six years out from 9-11, and as you say, and it's true, the polls show 50, 60, maybe 70% of the population is no longer buying that official conspiracy theory, which is backed by little or nothing.

01:35:32.000 So yeah, I find this quite hopeful.

01:35:35.000 And it's life and death, because if we didn't expose 9-11, they would continue to carry out even bigger attacks and poses as our saviors.

01:35:43.000 See, that's the key. 0.94

01:35:45.000 That's why you've got to shoot your mouth off at the grocery store line. 1.00

01:35:49.000 A few nights ago, it was 2 a.m., my wife had asked me to get milk at like 11 when she went to sleep.

01:35:53.000 I drove home from the office, I went into Randall's, and I walked in, and there were people behind the counter.

01:35:59.000 I just started talking about 9-11 being an inside job.

01:36:02.000 Well, hey, here's an experience I had.

01:36:04.000 I was going through airport security with the TSA guys all over me, okay?

01:36:06.000 windows sometimes at red lights.

01:36:08.000 I'm about to be on the radio and I go, "Hey, tune into this frequency." Well, hey, here's an experience I had.

01:36:14.000 I was going through airport security with the TSA guys all over me, okay?

01:36:20.000 And they're giving me the third degree, wanding me all over the whole thing.

01:36:25.000 And I said, "Hey guys," I said, "Well, why don't you use this kind of stringent security and secure our borders?" If we're supposed to be so fearful of terrorists slipping in the country, how come they're not doing anything to defend the borders?

01:36:38.000 And I was waiting for these guys to jump all over me instead.

01:36:42.000 Man, these are big TSA guys, and they're going, yeah, I wondered about that, too.

01:36:47.000 You know?

01:36:47.000 So, hey, yeah, people are beginning to kind of snap to it.

01:36:53.000 Absolutely.

01:36:53.000 I mean, Bruce Willis, He's a smart guy, but he was self-imposed ignorance, broke, and now he knows all about 9/11.

01:37:03.000 He knows about JFK.

01:37:04.000 Now, this E. Howard Hunt stuff comes out.

01:37:06.000 The Bobby Kennedy documents come out that he knew they killed his brother instantly, Absolutely.

01:37:11.000 investigating it and was obsessed with it.

01:37:13.000 All that's come out, but it's been in Rolling Stone, Salon, on this radio show, a few others.

01:37:17.000 That's still very low coverage.

01:37:19.000 Nothing on 60 Minutes, nothing on CNN.

01:37:22.000 Hunt's son, St. John, told me they all contacted him but said, we're scared or we're not allowed to cover this.

01:37:28.000 That's right.

01:37:29.000 I mean, is that not another indicator?

01:37:31.000 Absolutely.

01:37:32.000 All you have to do is look at the non-coverage of Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who by all measures won the Republican debate, and yet you don't hear anything about him.

01:37:45.000 If that doesn't prove to you that the media is totally controlled by their corporate masters, and, you know, Alex, we always hear them gripping about the liberal media.

01:37:54.000 Oh, the liberal media.

01:37:56.000 Well, let me tell you something, and I think you'll agree with me.

01:37:58.000 The media is only as liberal as their conservative corporate masters allow them to be.

01:38:04.000 And yes, yes, they will put stories out about abortion.

01:38:08.000 They'll put stories out about gay marriage.

01:38:10.000 Which is all football issues against all fighting.

01:38:13.000 Exactly.

01:38:14.000 But you never hear them really get to the heart of things like 9-11 or corporate malfeasance.

01:38:21.000 And so it's up to us, the individual citizen, to start educating ourselves as to what's really going on and then pass that word along.

01:38:32.000 Back to the Kennedy assassination.

01:38:34.000 Some years ago, the secretary of Clint Murchison, the big Texas, powerful Texas oil man, published a small little book that got very little notice.

01:38:42.000 But in there, she published a lot of the correspondence from Clint Murchison.

01:38:46.000 And the one that caught my eye was when she said that Clint Murchison was almost in daily contact with Lyndon Johnson and basically telling him what to do.

01:38:55.000 And on one occasion, and she published this letter, Murchison sent a letter to Johnson and said, if you can get Richard Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, and then he named a couple of other conservative senators, he said, if you can get those guys together, you can run the country.

01:39:10.000 And I want to tell you that's exactly what happened with the coup of 1963.

01:39:14.000 That was not a Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Liberal thing.

01:39:18.000 That was a controller versus the people action.

01:39:24.000 And they took over.

01:39:25.000 Well, Murchison and of course Hunt, not E. Howard Hunt, but the oilman Hunt, and others, it's in mainline history books on Lyndon's rise from Stonewall, Johnson City, right outside Austin, on the way to Fredericksburg, that he literally was groomed and handled From day one, because he had a family in the legislature, and they were told, boy, we're sending you to Washington, you're going to be president!

01:39:50.000 That's right, they sent him up there to rescue Brown and Root, that had $12 million sunk into that hydroelectric dam project down in South Texas, and the senator that had rammed it through died, inconveniently, and they were afraid they might lose that, so they picked Johnson to go up there and salvage the project, which he did.

01:40:10.000 And then a year or two later, he managed to get the big naval base at Corpus Christi, and boy, after that, he was their fair-haired boy.

01:40:19.000 You're absolutely right about that.

01:40:22.000 Let me tell you, everybody wants what we've been taught is the best evidence, which would be the smoking gun, the fingerprints, whatever.

01:40:33.000 And we've basically been taught that circumstantial evidence may not really be that good, but I want to turn that completely around.

01:40:41.000 Fingerprints, the smoking gun, all that can be planted.

01:40:44.000 All that can be fabricated.

01:40:46.000 All that can be hidden away.

01:40:48.000 But the circumstances are the circumstances.

01:40:50.000 You can't change them.

01:40:52.000 And so, as a result... Well, it's called motive.

01:40:54.000 It's called motive.

01:40:55.000 Motive.

01:40:56.000 Well, let me tell you a quick story that I think pretty well tells it all.

01:40:59.000 Some years ago, I was in contact with a fellow whose parents were big in the Democratic Party back in 1963 and had contributed heavily to the party and to Lyndon Johnson's campaign.

01:41:11.000 And as a result, they were invited to come to a big Johnson cookout at the Johnson Ranch that was scheduled for that Friday night, November 22, 1963.

01:41:21.000 The presidential party, once they left Dallas, was to go down to the Johnson Ranch.

01:41:25.000 That was the end of their Texas visit.

01:41:29.000 And they were going to have a big barbecue at the Texas Ranch of Lyndon Johnson.

01:41:33.000 Now, I've spoken to many people who've been to those Johnson barbecues, and they were real wing-dings. 1.00

01:41:38.000 I mean, they'd have a whole side of a cow over a spit. 1.00

01:41:41.000 They'd have bands.

01:41:44.000 They put on a real party.

01:41:46.000 Okay, so these folks decided on that Friday that they didn't have anything to do.

01:41:51.000 I believe they lived in Houston.

01:41:53.000 And they decided they were just going to go ahead and drive over to the Johnson Ranch and get there early and watch all the preparations and everything and then be there for the big party that evening.

01:42:02.000 So they drove all the way to Johnson City, got to the Johnson Ranch, and lo and behold, nothing was happening.

01:42:09.000 Nothing was being cooked.

01:42:11.000 They weren't putting tables out.

01:42:12.000 Nothing was happening.

01:42:13.000 And they thought, what the heck?

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01:42:24.000 And on the way back to Houston, they heard over the radio that Kennedy had been assassinated in Dallas.

01:42:30.000 The circumstances do not lie.

01:42:32.000 Obviously, somebody knew there was not going to be a party that night.

01:42:38.000 And it just goes on and on from there.

01:42:40.000 Then we have the newspapers planted before they even knew who Oswald was over on the other side of the globe in New Zealand and other areas.

01:42:48.000 Right.

01:42:49.000 And again, to draw parallels, as I'm sure you've well reported, We now know that CNN and BBC was reporting the collapse of Building 7, World Trade Center Building 7, at least 20 minutes before it fell down.

01:43:03.000 Well, that's right.

01:43:05.000 And then the BBC admitted and said, oh, it's just a mistake.

01:43:09.000 But they were all on two different BBC channels and CNN reporting the exact same thing, clearly reading off teleprompters.

01:43:17.000 Exactly.

01:43:17.000 I mean, somebody, that was a slip up, or do you think somebody didn't like what was happening, maybe in black ops and leaked that, or?

01:43:24.000 Well, it could be either way, but the point is, is that obviously that means somebody had foreknowledge that that building was coming down, and as a result, see if there was a real investigation, we should find out who it was that passed that information that they put on the teleprompter.

01:43:41.000 And how did they know?

01:43:42.000 And while we're on that, if you'll recall, Mayor Giuliani had this big, hardened command center in Building 7, but he didn't go there, he went to a temporary command center.

01:43:54.000 Because they'd already moved out the night before, and the head of FEMA in New York had said that, then he'd retracted it, but then Giuliani later admitted in testimony, yeah, we were running tripod 2 terror attack drill, so we'd moved out the day before.

01:44:07.000 That's right, and I even saw the head of the FEMA team who was interviewed that day, and he said, yeah, we arrived last night.

01:44:15.000 So, you know, they were already there, but they didn't go to this command center in Building 7.

01:44:19.000 They went to a temporary command center on Barclay Street, and while they were there, according to Giuliani, that very afternoon when he's covered with dust and debris, He said, while we were in there, somebody ran in and said, you've got to evacuate, the Twin Towers are coming down.

01:44:33.000 And he said they were in the process of evacuating when the towers fell, and they were, of course, caught in all the dust and debris and everything.

01:44:40.000 Well, here's what's happening.

01:44:41.000 Well, the question is, who told him they were going to come down?

01:44:44.000 Exactly.

01:44:45.000 And how did they know, and why didn't they tell the firemen?

01:44:48.000 Exactly!

01:44:50.000 Now, this is hidden in plain view.

01:44:52.000 It's like last Monday, they officially merged the EU and American Union.

01:44:56.000 They said they were merging them.

01:44:57.000 I've read the agreement.

01:44:59.000 It's a FIAT treaty, Bush signed with Merkel of Germany and Barrusso of the European Commission head president.

01:45:07.000 And it's not even news!

01:45:10.000 They got in trouble hiding SPP secretly, the North American merger.

01:45:15.000 So with this one, it's just out in the open.

01:45:17.000 It's like FEMA.

01:45:18.000 Yeah, we were having a terror drill, so we'd moved out the night before.

01:45:23.000 And yeah, we were told the towers were going to come down.

01:45:25.000 I mean, we've got them right there, like you said, Jim.

01:45:28.000 Exactly.

01:45:29.000 And by the way, the SPP, the Security Prosperity Partnership, and then the thing they just signed, any way you look at it, These are treaties with foreign countries.

01:45:40.000 And it's absolutely unconstitutional and treasonous.

01:45:43.000 Because the Constitution states the President cannot conclude treaties with another country without a two-thirds vote of the Senate.

01:45:50.000 And he has not gotten that on either one of these deals.

01:45:53.000 Our country's being sold away, given away, and we're just sitting around on our thumbs.

01:45:59.000 Not even understanding what's happening.

01:46:00.000 That's true.

01:46:00.000 Jim, most of the time I'm trying to convince mainline conservatives that the sky is even blue.

01:46:08.000 They just want to believe everything is fine and go home.

01:46:10.000 They don't even know, Jim, the dollar is dropping by a couple cents a week right now.

01:46:14.000 That's true.

01:46:15.000 That's true.

01:46:16.000 And as they nail down the economics, the euro, which is backed at least to some extent by gold, is going to get stronger and stronger, and the dollar, which is backed by nothing but nuclear threats, is going to get weaker and weaker.

01:46:30.000 I just can't believe how bad of shape we're in.

01:46:32.000 And meanwhile they're talking about Paris Hilton and jail time.

01:46:36.000 Was she wearing underpants? 1.00

01:46:37.000 I mean, you know.

01:46:39.000 Yeah, as if that impacts anybody.

01:46:41.000 And meanwhile, even while we're still dealing with that, the Senate just passed a bill that's handing over our health care to the big pharmaceutical combine.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, socialized health care for the elites.

01:46:56.000 Yes.

01:46:57.000 Where they socialize our wealth for themselves and gobble it out of a big trough. 0.98

01:47:01.000 That's true.

01:47:03.000 And it's just amazing what's going on. 0.97

01:47:05.000 But again, this is what happens When a public is ignorant, okay? 1.00

01:47:10.000 Now, I didn't say stupid. 1.00

01:47:11.000 I said ignorant. 1.00

01:47:12.000 No, you're right. 0.95

01:47:12.000 We're just like a third world country now, and we've decided that corruption is just the way it is, and well, they all lie, and it's cute, and we're being strip-mined like a third world country, boys and girls. 0.95

01:47:23.000 That's true, and here's the bottom line.

01:47:26.000 The United States of America, as a sovereign nation, is the biggest stumbling block to the New World Order, a global socialist program, okay?

01:47:36.000 Because We have a tradition and history of individual freedom and liberty.

01:47:41.000 We have a legal basis for that in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and we have guns.

01:47:47.000 So they've had to kind of play it cozy up until recently, but now with this open-ended war on terror, with wars of aggression around the world, around the world and stripping our states of the National Guard.

01:47:58.000 They're all somewhere else.

01:48:00.000 Who's supposed to guard the country?

01:48:01.000 Yeah, people say the war is about oil, it's about weapons sales, it's about opium.

01:48:05.000 It's about all that.

01:48:06.000 But number one, preeminent, is the foreign war so they can get the excuse for police states here domestically. 0.64

01:48:16.000 Everything is about policing the people, not the borders.

01:48:19.000 It's totally transparent.

01:48:20.000 They're building FEMA camps.

01:48:22.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this is what treason looks like.

01:48:24.000 We are wide open.

01:48:26.000 They own both parties.

01:48:28.000 Going back to those 60s documents where it was Republicans and Democrats, power players splitting it up.

01:48:33.000 Jim, what do we do?

01:48:35.000 Well, number one, each individual has to educate themselves.

01:48:39.000 We all have to be Bruce Willis's.

01:48:41.000 We have to wake up, snap out of it, and start studying the evidence.

01:48:44.000 And then once you know the truth, and once you have the facts, then you need to start spreading that around.

01:48:50.000 Hold book study groups in your home.

01:48:53.000 If you can afford to hire a hall, hire a hall.

01:48:56.000 Hold a meeting.

01:48:57.000 Tell people what's going on.

01:48:58.000 Bring in other people.

01:48:59.000 We've got to build a grassroots movement here because it should be painfully obvious That the time has passed when we can look to anybody in the bought-off Congress to try to stand up and do anything right.

01:49:12.000 Well, I tell you, the economy is already slowing, I can feel it.

01:49:16.000 And people need to understand, we expose the governments behind terror, they have to back off.

01:49:22.000 We expose that they're behind imploding the economy, they may back off.

01:49:25.000 They want to criminally consolidate it to consolidate your wealth.

01:49:29.000 It's so important to expose who's behind the economics as well.

01:49:32.000 Jim, do you agree?

01:49:33.000 Absolutely.

01:49:34.000 Absolutely, and that comes back to truth.

01:49:37.000 Which, you know, whether you're a Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, doesn't matter.

01:49:44.000 Truth is truth and we should all be working for truth.

01:49:46.000 Exactly, Veritas is Veritas.

01:49:48.000 Final segment with Jim, straight ahead.

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01:53:03.000 I fell into a burning ring of fire.

01:53:06.000 I went down, down, down, and the flames went higher.

01:53:11.000 And it burns, burns, burns.

01:53:17.000 Final segment with Jim Mars.

01:53:19.000 It's always great to have him up with us.

01:53:20.000 We appreciate his time.

01:53:22.000 The website, ladies and gentlemen, is jimmars.com.

01:53:26.000 That's jimmars.com with two R's in it.

01:53:30.000 We carry his book.

01:53:31.000 We've been carrying it now for about eight, nine months since it came out.

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01:53:44.000 It is, let me see how many pages this is.

01:53:45.000 500, is it 500?

01:53:47.000 No, no, 482 pages long.

01:53:47.000 It's 479 pages.

01:53:48.000 And it is jam-packed.

01:53:49.000 479 pages, no, no, 482 pages long, and it is jam-packed.

01:53:58.000 Deception, 9-11 and the loss of liberty.

01:54:00.000 Investigative journalist Jim Myers and the Bush administration both see the attacks of 9-11 as an obvious conspiracy.

01:54:07.000 The only question is, whose conspiracy was it?

01:54:10.000 And he covers it all.

01:54:11.000 It is one of the best books, just like Tarpley's books.

01:54:13.000 I would put those up there together as two of the best books on the overall operation of 9-11.

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01:54:28.000 We're carrying a lot of great books and videos on the website, so be sure and check it out.

01:54:35.000 Jim, what do you see happening in the next month, the next year, the next couple of years, with this... The more people go public, the more documents come out, the more... Now we have one of the operatives involved in the killing of JFK going public.

01:54:50.000 I mean, I already see it snowballing.

01:54:53.000 How big will this snowball get?

01:54:55.000 Well, the danger is that the snowball will backlash, okay?

01:54:59.000 And here's what I'm talking about.

01:55:01.000 What I see happening over the next year and a half or so is that more and more information, more and more whistleblowers will come forward until even the most dead-asleep neocon Is going to wake up and go, holy cow, we've been had by the Bush administration.

01:55:16.000 Okay, well that's the good side.

01:55:19.000 The bad side is that everybody's going to turn around and rush and say, well, I guess we need to vote for a Democrat.

01:55:25.000 And who's waiting in the wings but Hillary Clinton? 1.00

01:55:27.000 And first I want to make very clear that I'm not opposed to a woman president.

01:55:32.000 I think it's probably overdue.

01:55:33.000 But not Hillary Clinton.

01:55:35.000 Why?

01:55:35.000 Because in 1992 I reported that she was the first American first lady To attend those secretive Bilderberg meetings.

01:55:43.000 Now she didn't just attend the meeting, she was at the front door greeting people when they came in, which is a time-honored way of introducing their protégés to the membership.

01:55:52.000 So she is lock, stock, and barrel, one of the New World Order, and so they're looking now to swing the pendulum the other way, put Democrats, Clinton, John Edwards, people like that, into power, and yet, if you'll stop and think about it, Homeland Security is there, Patriot Act's there, Military Commissions Act is still there, and then you'll have these New World Order people in. 0.64

01:56:16.000 Exactly!

01:56:17.000 They take all the revolutionary fervor against the tyranny and they just hand the baton over in a tag team to Hillary. 1.00

01:56:23.000 That's why only Ron Paul can win because the other Republicans are totally discredited.

01:56:28.000 She's going to be the next president, unless we get behind Ron Paul, who won the debates. 0.95

01:56:33.000 Now we've got to force the media to cover this.

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01:56:40.000 You just heard Jim Mars say the exact same analysis, because it's the truth.

01:56:44.000 Jim, I absolutely wholeheartedly agree with you.

01:56:47.000 Tell folks about your website.

01:56:49.000 Well, my website is jimmars.com.

01:56:51.000 You'll find just a whole general array of all kinds of news and information that you probably will not get from the corporate-controlled mass media.

01:57:00.000 And that's one of the key things.

01:57:02.000 You asked me a while ago, Alex, about what people can do.

01:57:05.000 We have got to break the stranglehold of about these four multinational corporations that control everything we see and hear.

01:57:13.000 They weave an electronic matrix around us, and you've got to break out of that.

01:57:18.000 And the one way to start is by working on your local media.

01:57:22.000 Go to your local newspaper, your local radio station, your local TV station, and demand that they start covering the real news.

01:57:29.000 I hear ya, Jim.

01:57:30.000 God bless ya.

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01:58:06.000 David Ray Griffin is a professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology, where he taught for over 30 years, retiring in 2004.

01:58:19.000 He has authored or edited over two dozen books, including God and Religion in the Postmodern World, Religion and Scientific Naturalism, and The New Pearl Harbor, disturbing questions about the Bush administration in 9-11, And he's written several books, now three books, and been involved with several others on 9-11.

01:58:39.000 His latest book is Debunking 9-11 Debunking.

01:58:44.000 And yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are carrying the book Debunking 9-11 Debunking, An Answer to Popular Mechanics and the Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory by David Ray Griffin.

01:58:55.000 He is with us now for the next 59 minutes.

01:58:58.000 David, it's great to have you on with us.

01:59:01.000 Hi Alex, good to be back with you.

01:59:04.000 It's been a long time.

01:59:05.000 I really appreciate you spending time with us.

01:59:08.000 There's just so much to talk about.

01:59:09.000 So much has come out.

01:59:11.000 Let's spend a few minutes now, if it's okay with you, getting into what I see as the exponential snowballing or exploding to supernova new levels every few months of 9-11 Truth to now where even Bruce Willis is starting to wake up.

01:59:27.000 Can you give me your overall view on that?

01:59:31.000 Well, the last few months have really been remarkable, and I would say the last year as a whole, what has happened is the movement has gone from having a lot of people like me, who are not people with technical expertise, only a few people, you know, physicists, engineers and the such, And now we have all these new organizations.

02:00:00.000 So we have veterans for 9-11 Truth.

02:00:03.000 We have many former military officers who are saying that 9-11 was an inside job.

02:00:09.000 We have pilots for 9-11 Truth.

02:00:11.000 A growing number of pilots who are saying it just couldn't have happened that way.

02:00:16.000 We have a new organization called Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.

02:00:24.000 Uh, so on.

02:00:24.000 And so, uh, whereas, uh, NIST and Popular Mechanics like to claim the mantle of expertise and say, all the experts on our side.

02:00:35.000 That has changed drastically over the last year.

02:00:39.000 Well, anytime someone says, all the experts agree with us, it should be suspect.

02:00:44.000 But in truth, It's like 10 or 15 experts that they've got total in all the government reports that are all in bed with the very regime that was clearly involved in the attacks.

02:00:55.000 Meanwhile, I can't keep track, David, Ray Griffin, with all the people, the prominent scientists, fighter pilots, commercial pilots, businesses, engineers, that are going public on a daily basis.

02:01:07.000 I mean, I can't even keep track of it.

02:01:10.000 There are so many more now that have come out for The 9-11 truth movement, than you have, who have come out explicitly as supporting the official story.

02:01:10.000 Well, that's right.

02:01:24.000 So, it's a completely new situation, and yet, as I show in the introduction and conclusion of my book, the journalists still are pretending that we've got these neutral scientific

02:01:43.000 Documents that support the official story, ignoring the fact that NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, is an agency of the Commerce Department and therefore an agency of the Bush-Cheney administration.

02:02:00.000 And it's just absurd to think that they, even though they have scientists, could have come out with any report that would contradict the official story.

02:02:08.000 Well, they continue, and we're going to break and come back and talk about this, to call the 9-11 Commission independent.

02:02:14.000 I mean, that would be like Al Capone appointing his main capo to be the judge in his trial.

02:02:20.000 Bush appointed the chairman of that committee, who then appointed their own people.

02:02:24.000 I mean, that's as independent as Herman Goering is from Hitler. 0.83

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02:06:07.000 Richard Falk?

02:06:09.000 An extremely prominent professor emeritus of international law at Princeton University said, David Ray Griffin has established himself along Seymour Hersh as America's number one bearer of unpleasant yet necessary public truths.

02:06:27.000 And you need to get debunking 9-11 debunking.

02:06:30.000 Because obviously Fox and CNN and everybody else are going to try to ignore it.

02:06:34.000 We've got to push it.

02:06:35.000 Over-the-edge demand.

02:06:36.000 Hey, you've had popular mechanics owned by Hearst Publishing, literally in the encyclopedia, when you look up yellow journalism, next to it is Hearst Publishing.

02:06:47.000 They were Fox News before Rupert Murdoch was even born.

02:06:52.000 They were Fox News when Rupert Murdoch's father was a baby.

02:06:57.000 Okay, I mean, they wrote the book on colluding with the intelligence agencies and government lies.

02:07:03.000 They built half-truths, straw men, frauds.

02:07:05.000 Well, he's written a lengthy treatise, and it's a great read, and all of us need this.

02:07:11.000 I am now reading the book.

02:07:12.000 I've only read the first few chapters, and I'm learning a lot of things I didn't know.

02:07:16.000 And because this is such a big field, none of us know everything, and I've learned a lot from David Ray Griffin.

02:07:21.000 And I'm telling you, you need debunking 9-11 debunking, and it's available at InfoWars.com.

02:07:27.000 We also have it with a big discount on both the items.

02:07:31.000 If you get it with the video, 9-11, the myth and the reality, that's a compilation of four and five and six camera shoots with different presentations that David Ray Griffin has put together.

02:07:44.000 Absolutely amazing piece of video.

02:07:48.000 Everyone needs to have both of these.

02:07:51.000 And it's for the general public, but it's also very effective with scholarly individuals.

02:07:56.000 He is a very measured, I wouldn't call it cautious, but I mean he's just sticking to the facts, and it's extremely scary.

02:08:06.000 I can now talk about this as well, I'm not going to talk about myself in involvement with it because I choose to keep that somewhat private at this time because we've got a lot of delicate things going on.

02:08:18.000 But David Ray Griffin did vet the script for a loose change final cut.

02:08:23.000 Charlie Sheen is involved.

02:08:26.000 You know, that's all been in the news that Charlie's involved, but it really hasn't that David Ray Griffin's involved.

02:08:32.000 And the script is just absolutely amazing, and that film is a rough cut right now, and I've seen large parts of it.

02:08:39.000 It's an absolutely incredible film, and it's going to be the coup de grace when it comes to 9-11 films. 0.90

02:08:44.000 But going back to Professor David Ray Griffin, please continue, sir, with the implosion of the myth, and then let's get into their feeble counter that they report on as if it's ex catheter from the throne or off of Mount Sinai.

02:09:00.000 They keep talking about popular mechanics as if they're Galileo and Newton and Einstein rolled into one, when in truth it's a shoddy fraud.

02:09:10.000 Well, it's just amazing the number of people who should know better who cite popular mechanics as some sort of authority.

02:09:21.000 I mean, they got into this issue very late.

02:09:26.000 They're not the crew that people had grown to trust over the previous decades.

02:09:32.000 Kathleen Black, the head of Hearst Corporation, Hearst Publishing, who is married to a former CIA and Department of Defense official,

02:09:48.000 fired the old editor and much of his staff brought on a brand new editor, James Meggs, and it was this new crew that puts together the article in the Public Mechanics magazine in 2005, which then turned into a little slightly larger book in 2006 called Debunking 9-11 Myths.

02:10:18.000 So, this was a rushed job.

02:10:21.000 They threw this stuff together, and they claimed that in that fairly brief period of time, they learned all the essential facts about why the World Trade Center buildings came down, why the planes weren't intercepted, what really happened at the Pentagon, and so on.

02:10:40.000 And yet, when it comes to young Benjamin Chertoff, who had described himself as the senior researcher for the magazine version.

02:10:52.000 They, you know, were in response to the claim that he's the cousin of Michael Chertoff, the then new head of Homeland Security.

02:11:07.000 And this had been shown by Christopher Bolin, who had called up Ben Chertoff's mother and said, Um, is he related to Michael Chertoff?

02:11:16.000 And she says, well, of course he's his cousin.

02:11:19.000 They try to deny this and say, she said, well, it's possible that he's a distant cousin.

02:11:27.000 And, uh, you know, they could do all this, but they were not able to discover where their guy on their own staff.

02:11:35.000 Well, David, I was there as that was all happening, following it closely, as you are, too, but this is exactly what happened.

02:11:43.000 They called me up, and I've done hundreds of magazine interviews and newspapers, more than hundreds.

02:11:49.000 I mean, even by then, I'd probably, in the ten years previous, this was two years ago, done a thousand.

02:11:54.000 I mean, I do them literally three or four times a week or more.

02:11:56.000 This is the first time I thought it was fake.

02:11:59.000 They were so unprofessional, stumbling, stuttering.

02:12:02.000 They sounded like 14-year-olds.

02:12:04.000 And when I say that, I literally thought it was some prank.

02:12:06.000 I thought it was like, you know, 9th grade, 10th grade jokers doing some weird literary piece, posing as reporters.

02:12:15.000 So I called, and Chertoff called me up, and he said, no, no, it's real.

02:12:19.000 But he sounded, you know, like a frat boy.

02:12:22.000 And I might be mean to frat, but you know what I mean.

02:12:23.000 He sounded pretty, pretty juvenile.

02:12:27.000 And so I talked to the editor above them, and they said, we swear to you it's not a hit piece.

02:12:30.000 We give you our word.

02:12:31.000 It's a balanced piece looking at what you have to say.

02:12:34.000 Then they said, but we are concerned that you claim that you interviewed this person, and they never said they talked to you.

02:12:39.000 And I went and looked at the article, and I said, that's somebody else's website that interviewed him.

02:12:42.000 Did you ask if they talked to him?

02:12:44.000 And I said, you better watch it.

02:12:44.000 And they said, no.

02:12:46.000 I know this is a hit piece.

02:12:48.000 And then Chertoff went on the Art Bell Show.

02:12:52.000 People called in and said, are you related to Chertoff?

02:12:55.000 This is like the day it came out.

02:12:56.000 He said, no, don't know him, never met him, no relation.

02:13:00.000 So he's caught lying there because then later they've had to admit, okay, yeah, he's a cousin.

02:13:05.000 But sorry, I just wanted to add some background personally, David, to just the deceptiveness of these people.

02:13:13.000 Yeah, and as you can see, if you've gotten to my critique, on almost every point they resort to deception in order to make their point.

02:13:26.000 Well, I mean, I've never had media... I mean, usually they'll be vague if it's going to be a hit piece and that's fine.

02:13:31.000 They flat out lied to me, David.

02:13:33.000 They said, we swear to you that this is not a hit piece.

02:13:38.000 Yeah, and so this is the piece of the four that I've dealt with in there.

02:13:47.000 It's the one that by far has gotten the most readership.

02:13:51.000 And if you look on Amazon and look at their reviews, you see they have fooled lots of people.

02:13:58.000 But my suspicion is now that now that my book is out, the reviews on on their book are going to start going down as people see.

02:14:10.000 Oh, they said this.

02:14:11.000 This sounded convincing, but now we see.

02:14:14.000 For example, they claim that we don't even anymore keep fighter jets on alert.

02:14:24.000 The military doesn't do that.

02:14:26.000 And they made this point by quoting a former senator, Republican Senator Warren Rudman, Who said something like, well, we just don't keep armed fighters on alert anymore.

02:14:40.000 It's just not realistic.

02:14:42.000 Who, by the way, wrote up the CFR strategy for Homeland Security and was on the Hart-Rudman Commission.

02:14:48.000 Yeah, but the article then that this was taken from in the Boston Globe The journalist then went on to say, after quoting Rudman, that, but, you know, at Otis Air Force Base, we have something very close to this, and then described that these planes are on alert 24 hours a day, and they're armed.

02:15:14.000 And, you know, ready to take off in a few minutes.

02:15:17.000 They also claim in the same section and on the air constantly that the major, the spokesman for NORAD, said they'd only intercepted one plane in the years before, that being Payne Stewart, the golfer, but then the very same guy was in Reuters saying 160-something times in the year before.

02:15:34.000 I mean, this is just incredible lying.

02:15:37.000 It is really. 0.98

02:15:38.000 Either they're terribly ignorant, And just have no sense of journalistic carefulness, or else they are deliberately manipulating the evidence.

02:15:55.000 And there are many places where one must say, although you hate to accuse people of deliberately trying to deceive people, it certainly looks like that's what they do, because they end that section on interceptions. 0.93

02:16:09.000 where they're claiming there was no stand-down.

02:16:11.000 By quoting Rudman, it seems like deliberately leaving out the very next sentence where the writer says, but at Otis, there are armed fighters on alert 24-7.

02:16:24.000 Well, you know, same with the Kennedy assassination that now everybody knows is an inside job.

02:16:30.000 It's the same thing here.

02:16:32.000 The Warren Commission became a blueprint to debunk them, just as the 9-11 Commission did, and it looks like this new Bible they created and put so much faith into with the public, or tried to, is now going to blow up in their face to kingdom come, because the thing is even more shoddy than the 9-11 Commission.

02:16:51.000 Yeah, let me give another example of something they, with all their money and resources, could have easily checked out.

02:17:00.000 Key Dudeny, who is a well-known Canadian scientist, a mathematician and computer scientist, who used to write a regular column for Scientific American, so he's well-known, well-respected.

02:17:14.000 He decided, let's do some experiments with cell phones.

02:17:19.000 And see if it's conceivable that all those alleged cell phone calls could have occurred.

02:17:26.000 Tell us what he discovered, David.

02:17:27.000 Tell us what he discovered on the other side.

02:17:29.000 I'd like to speak to you in the break here in just a moment, sir.

02:17:31.000 We'll be right back with David Ray Griffin.

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02:21:52.000 Thank you for joining us. 0.94

02:21:53.000 Understand, we have to fight back against popular mechanics for their lies, their deception, and I'll say it, they are a pack of liars. 0.97

02:22:01.000 They're yellow journalists. 0.98

02:22:02.000 That thing has every earmark and signature and wavelength and footprint.

02:22:09.000 And smell of a black op, of a gaggle of disinfo artists. 0.99

02:22:13.000 We know Bush has spent tens of billions in fake news.

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02:22:20.000 And we know that a lot of people we see on the news are paid by the CIA, Department of Justice, and other groups.

02:22:26.000 Regardless, Hearst Publishing, you heard about the lady that runs it, her husband, a big black op operator. 0.99

02:22:32.000 I mean, that's how the thing was written.

02:22:33.000 I've never experienced anything like this.

02:22:35.000 David Ray Griffin, there's so many things you debunk in your book.

02:22:39.000 People gotta get it, though, because they have to have the knowledge, not just of what happened on 9-11 now, but of how to counter the debunkers.

02:22:48.000 who are really apologists for the official stories.

02:22:51.000 I mean, how important is it to have the knowledge to debunk this screed that, again, really is now the pennant or the standard of the enemy forces?

02:23:05.000 Well, it's just a matter of getting empirical because, you know, all the facts are on our side.

02:23:12.000 They try to claim that in order.

02:23:15.000 At the introduction, they've got John McCain giving the foreword to their book, saying that these guys do science, they don't engage in speculation, they just go for the facts, and so on.

02:23:27.000 And we're not political, we don't have a dog in the park!

02:23:31.000 Right, but let's take this example of the cell phone.

02:23:33.000 So Dudney went up with his single-engine plane, and then a double-engine plane.

02:23:40.000 And found that using the kind of cell phones they had in 2001, you couldn't get a signal above 7 or 8,000 feet.

02:23:48.000 In a big airliner, with all that shielding, all the anecdotal evidence suggests you can't get one much above 1,000 or 1,500, certainly not above 2,000 feet.

02:24:00.000 And yet all these calls were allegedly made at 30,000 to 40,000 feet.

02:24:10.000 So he said those, you know, from his experiments were flat out impossible.

02:24:15.000 So what popular mechanics do?

02:24:17.000 Did they go perform some experiments?

02:24:20.000 No, they found two what they called experts in 2006, who would say, on record, well, those calls were possible.

02:24:31.000 That's how they refute all of his experiments and all the anecdotal evidence.

02:24:31.000 And that's it.

02:24:36.000 Well, everybody I know, and I've done it probably 20 times, I'm not exaggerating, in the last five and a half years, every time I take off, I have sat there and dialed, I know you're not supposed to, and at about 1,500 feet, and I know because I can tell how tall the radio towers are, I've asked at the airport, at about 1,500 feet the phone cuts out, if you can even get a signal.

02:25:00.000 At a lot of airports, because of the shielding and other waves, I'm not sure why, a lot of times they won't even work in the planes.

02:25:09.000 Yeah, and so the, you know, what that means is that One of the central pillars of the official story, the idea that passengers called their relatives and reported that they were being hijacked and there were these hijackers in the plane, it means that there is no empirical evidence for that.

02:25:32.000 That was the evidence that there were hijackers on the plane.

02:25:37.000 And once you realize those cell phone calls could not have occurred, then That just completely undercuts that.

02:25:44.000 Now you might say, well some of the phone calls were allegedly made on feedback phones, and certainly those were possible.

02:25:51.000 But when you see that the content of those calls were, that they were essentially the same as the cell phone calls.

02:25:58.000 If the cell phone calls were faked, we can conclude the feedback calls were faked.

02:26:04.000 And particularly when you look at the content of them, They do not sound like authentic calls.

02:26:09.000 Hey, Mom, this is blah blah.

02:26:12.000 You believe me, don't you?

02:26:13.000 And the people said it was all like one way.

02:26:16.000 It was talking at them.

02:26:19.000 Yeah.

02:26:19.000 And another example besides that, that famous one, Tom Burnett allegedly called his wife Dina four times and from Flight 93.

02:26:30.000 And on the last one, He was telling her, well, you know, it looks like they're going to take this in and crash it, so a bunch of us are going to get together and crash the plane over the rural area.

02:26:47.000 And so here he knew he was going to die, and he's talking to his wife, and then she says, well, the kids are right here, they want to talk to you.

02:26:55.000 And he says, oh, no, tell them I'll talk to them later.

02:27:00.000 Can you imagine anybody who was in his last moments would turn down a chance to talk to his kids?

02:27:07.000 Exactly.

02:27:07.000 I'll be crashing in the rural area, talk to you later.

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02:27:22.000 Yeah, using your last name.

02:27:25.000 I mean, this is just...

02:27:26.000 And again, folks, they have off-the-shelf software that can mimic voices to a tee right now.

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02:34:18.000 Mr. Griffin, looking out into the future, And speaking about the myth and how they install that myth, but first, what do you see on the tea leaves?

02:34:29.000 I mean, I know you just follow the facts and the information, but you're a smart guy.

02:34:33.000 You've lived a long life, and you've been, you know, in some high circles and talked to a lot of people.

02:34:38.000 What do you see this current elite doing that is trying to hurdle us towards World War III, and could they stage another attack?

02:34:44.000 What are your biggest fears?

02:34:45.000 And then, what also buoys your soul, you know, in the middle of the night?

02:34:50.000 Where do you see things going?

02:34:53.000 Well, kind of like Yogi Berra, I don't make predictions, especially about the future, as he put it.

02:35:02.000 So I really don't know.

02:35:05.000 I have my hopes, of course.

02:35:07.000 I have my hopes.

02:35:09.000 You know, that event that occurred yesterday with mainstream Republican Congress people going in to talk to Bush and say, look, things are getting really bad here.

02:35:23.000 We're going to go down to defeat, unless you change your ways in Iraq. 0.99

02:35:28.000 I think something like this may occur on a grander scale with regard to 9-11, like it did with Nixon and Watergate, where the elite of the country decided, this is really destroying America.

02:35:46.000 We're losing our reputation.

02:35:47.000 He has to go.

02:35:48.000 and really things have to, he has to go.

02:35:52.000 It may be that they will realize the only way to recover America's reputation is to expose 9-11, give at least the appearance of weeding out the corruption and the problem.

02:36:10.000 I I don't know.

02:36:12.000 I mean, I certainly wouldn't predict that would happen.

02:36:15.000 I think there's a possibility that it would happen.

02:36:20.000 If 9-11 continues to exponentially grow, which by every yardstick it's exploding, when do you think a probable time for that flashpoint to occur?

02:36:30.000 Or will they try to coast out and just let Bush leave and then install the equally warmongering Hillary Clinton? 0.99

02:36:38.000 Well, again, I don't know and I don't spend much time thinking about that sort of thing.

02:36:45.000 I just think all we can do Is keep doing what we've been doing.

02:36:50.000 Let justice be done, though the heavens may fall.

02:36:53.000 Yeah, because, you know, as you say, we have been amazingly successful.

02:37:00.000 I would guess that now, if a new Zogby poll were taken, we would be up in the 40s in terms of those who would say it was deliberately allowed or orchestrated by the Bush administration.

02:37:15.000 We already know that Forty-two percent believe they have been lied to, to some degree, by the 9-11 Commission.

02:37:24.000 But that 37 percent we had for last year, of those who believed it was an inside job, at least partially, I suspect that's up in the 40s now.

02:37:36.000 Now, that's people who, when they got a Scripps Howard News Service call, do you believe the government was behind it, or were elements?

02:37:44.000 I mean, with polling sciences, normally people will, and even with their quote, viewing habits and with the rating services, they found that people are embarrassed and won't answer truthfully.

02:37:55.000 They'll answer in the more conservative vein.

02:37:58.000 And so I would imagine that if you really got honest poll numbers, it'd be much higher than that.

02:38:03.000 It might well be.

02:38:04.000 So in any case, given the polls and given the fact that we have now drawn so many People with professional expertise relevant to 9-11 into the movement.

02:38:19.000 It's so much stronger than it was a year ago.

02:38:23.000 Let me give another example of this and of Popular Mechanics.

02:38:29.000 They deal with the most difficult question with regard to the strike on the Pentagon was how in the world could Honey Honjour Who could barely fly a little Piper Cub, have gotten into this giant airplane, he had never been in one before, fly it all the way back to Washington, and then go through this amazing trajectory to come in at ground level and strike the Pentagon.

02:39:00.000 Here's what Paul B. Mechanics says, well no problem, you know, He wasn't great, but really all he had to do was use the GPS system, punch in the numbers, and let the plane fly itself back to Washington.

02:39:14.000 And really, he only did it manually the last eight minutes.

02:39:18.000 What they don't mention to their readers is during that last eight minutes, Honey Honjour reportedly did the impossible with that airplane.

02:39:30.000 So now we have pilots in the movement, and I quote a couple of them in the book, who say, and there's 757 qualified pilots who've got, one of them, 35 years of experience, who say, I don't think I could have flown that trajectory.

02:39:46.000 The idea that Honey Honjour could have is absolutely ridiculous. 1.00

02:39:49.000 Well, it's also come out that they've tried to do this in simulators, and nine times out of ten, the instructors can't do it.

02:39:56.000 That's right, and so here you have another example Or the whole story crashes.

02:40:03.000 You know, if you have to say, okay, we lied when we said Honey Honjour.

02:40:10.000 If they have to say that, then the whole story about the Pentagon goes.

02:40:15.000 If people know they were lying about the Pentagon, then they're going to say, well, were you lying about the World Trade Center too?

02:40:21.000 And on and on and on.

02:40:23.000 And so, the cell phones, Honey Honjour.

02:40:27.000 Likewise, if you go to the World Trade Center, Uh, what do they do with the empirical evidence?

02:40:34.000 Uh, from, you know, we have over about 150 people, at least, who testified to hearing, uh, explosives in the building going off, either before or during the, uh, the disintegration of the powers.

02:40:49.000 And yet, NIST and Popular Mechanics simply ignores these.

02:40:55.000 That's what they do with empirical evidence.

02:40:58.000 Likewise with the molten metal.

02:41:00.000 They know there's no way to account for a molten metal because steel does not begin to melt until 2800 degrees Fahrenheit.

02:41:10.000 And the fire could not have come within 1000 degrees of that.

02:41:15.000 And so NIST for the most part simply tries to deny that there was any molten metal.

02:41:20.000 I want to take a couple of calls, David, if we can, and then get back into a few of the other myths that you debunk in the book.

02:41:25.000 People have got to obviously get the book to really become experts on this.

02:41:28.000 But I've got one more question for you.

02:41:31.000 The elites, the black ops that carried out these attacks, that carried out this inside job and set up the Patsies, why did they think they could get away with it? 0.83

02:41:41.000 Was it they were still playing the 30, 40-year-old game of where they controlled all the media?

02:41:44.000 Or why did they think they could get away with this? 0.93

02:41:47.000 Because, I mean, now in hindsight, it's just so ridiculous. 0.91

02:41:51.000 Their official story is the most wild conspiracy theory. 0.97

02:41:54.000 I mean, it's bat crazy.

02:41:56.000 Well, it is crazy, and it's got so many completely vulnerable spots.

02:42:02.000 But I think that's right, that, you know, looking back at the JFK assassination, that was obviously absurd, too, for anybody who would look at the evidence.

02:42:13.000 And yet, because they did control the media, they could get away with it.

02:42:18.000 I mean, the media are still controlled on this.

02:42:22.000 If you say anything suggesting that it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald operating alone, or virtually alone, You're called part of the grassy knoll crowd on the mainstream, even though 80% of the people think it.

02:42:34.000 So yeah, I think so, and thus far they've turned out to be right.

02:42:38.000 That is, thus far, it has not become part of the public discussion in America.

02:42:45.000 If it does not become part of the public discussion, Even if 50% of the people know it, nothing happens.

02:42:52.000 Nothing is done about it.

02:42:53.000 You're a philosopher as well as a theologian, and I think this is a good question for you.

02:42:58.000 I've certainly pondered it, but I know the answer.

02:43:01.000 Generals throughout history will put a thousand, ten thousand troops in a gully to use them as bait, like I'd use a worm on a fish hook. 0.88

02:43:09.000 To draw in the enemy to catch the larger force in a trap and kill them.

02:43:13.000 So if generals make decisions to kill thousands as just due course and then walk off and have lunch at the staff bunker, then why wouldn't the very same mindset say, well, we're doing this for the greater American century and millions will die if we don't and all the excuses.

02:43:30.000 I mean, isn't that really how they could have the nerve to kill 2,800 and something people?

02:43:36.000 Oh, sure.

02:43:36.000 There's no question about their capacity to do that, and I raised that in my introductory chapter.

02:43:43.000 I begin by saying the evidence is overwhelming that it was an inside job.

02:43:50.000 The only task is to get people to look at the evidence.

02:43:53.000 So I go through a bunch of a priori reasons people will give for saying, well, we don't need to look at the evidence because we know it couldn't have happened.

02:44:01.000 And one of those is, well, we know the Bush administration wouldn't have done this.

02:44:05.000 But if you look at what they did after 9-11, at Ground Zero, they deliberately told the APA to lie to the public.

02:44:17.000 The EPA was going to put out a fairly honest report and say the air was dangerous.

02:44:22.000 There was an enormous amount of asbestos in the air.

02:44:26.000 And yet the White House ordered them to tone it down and actually tell people the air was safe.

02:44:32.000 Now, more people are going to die From the workers at Ground Zero, the 40,000 of them, then died on 9-11 itself.

02:44:41.000 This was cold-blooded murder.

02:44:44.000 And they just do it and go play another game of golf.

02:44:47.000 It's just cold-bloodedly done.

02:44:50.000 I'm afraid that's the way of the world, including the United States.

02:44:54.000 We are not an exceptional nation in that respect.

02:44:57.000 But the paradox here, the quandary, that generally the general public isn't like that.

02:45:02.000 People I know, the average person wouldn't consciously do that.

02:45:05.000 It seems like it's a leadership trait to be cold-blooded.

02:45:09.000 I mean, and it's not a leadership trait in the positive, it just seems more often than not we get tyrants, and I just don't know how we deal with that larger question.

02:45:18.000 These are large questions.

02:45:21.000 Certainly there is a tendency for a certain type of person to gravitate to leadership positions, and they learn along the way that you have to be tough.

02:45:33.000 And if you don't have a reputation of being tough, you won't be advanced.

02:45:38.000 And so you may do things that, at least at first, greatly disturb your conscience, but people tend to get over that.

02:45:47.000 Harden their hearts.

02:45:50.000 Absolutely, and those callouses get so thick where you can be like Joe Stalin or Hitler and you don't even notice millions you're killing.

02:45:57.000 And likewise, we do have testimonies from Vietnam, from all sorts of places, where people really did feel terrible about what they were doing, but they said, I'm in the army, I'm in the government, I have to obey orders.

02:46:12.000 And that has become a very powerful force.

02:46:18.000 leading people to do things that in their private lives they would never think of doing.

02:46:23.000 Oh yeah, it's almost like a mantle or a cloak they put on of invisibility to themselves.

02:46:27.000 And I mean, I've seen cops arresting protesters for no reason, doing bad things, and they go, well, it's my job.

02:46:32.000 No, your job is to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights you swore to.

02:46:36.000 Richard and then Clint and then Kyles, all we got time for.

02:46:41.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Richard in Texas.

02:46:42.000 You're on the air with David Ray Griffin.

02:46:44.000 Go ahead.

02:46:45.000 Hey guys, pleasure to talk to you.

02:46:46.000 Along those same lines in terms of how people get caught up in this stuff, I don't know if either of you have seen the film The Good Shepherd.

02:46:53.000 It's a Matt Damon film and recently came out in the rental stores.

02:46:57.000 It's about the founding of the CIA.

02:47:00.000 My skull and bones, yeah.

02:47:01.000 Matt Damon plays a sort of a George Bush senior type character.

02:47:05.000 Skull and bones is in there.

02:47:06.000 He walks out of the initiation rites because he gets urinated on, but then he's talked by a senior member into coming back in, ultimately is caught up in the CIA, and all of the compromising things that happen to him where he keeps making the decision to stay involved with this thing and ultimately just and all of the compromising things that happen to him where he keeps making the decision to stay involved with this thing and Do you have a question or comment for the guests?

02:47:32.000 Well, one thing I'd like to find out about is your feeling about the polls that are going on.

02:47:36.000 You know, I think the situation, whether it's 9-11 or Ron Paul, you know, there's a lot of Internet activists and it's a wonderful sign to see us doing this great job of spreading the word and voting for these things, but to me it's skewed somewhat by the fact that the activists are so good at getting the word around.

02:47:53.000 I don't find that to be the case.

02:47:55.000 I've done Over 4,000 interviews on radio and liberal conservative Christian stations, and I found it's even much better than what the polls show.

02:48:04.000 David?

02:48:06.000 Let me make a comment about the CIA, because that's another example.

02:48:10.000 We now have a growing number of former intelligence officers, including CIA, who are coming out for 9-11 Truth.

02:48:20.000 Well, we've got Bill Christensen, who is a section chief.

02:48:24.000 That's right.

02:48:25.000 I mean, he was the head of Europe, folks.

02:48:28.000 That's the most important, especially in that time, CIA position as a field chief.

02:48:38.000 It's just a total inside job.

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02:51:44.000 There was something so pleasant.

02:51:54.000 I'm talking about that place.

02:51:56.000 Even my emotions had an echo.

02:51:58.000 And it wasn't that I knew too much, folks.

02:52:06.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

02:52:07.000 I'm glad that you have joined us.

02:52:10.000 David, Greg Griffin is our guest.

02:52:12.000 Final segment, let's gotta jam two more calls in.

02:52:15.000 Clint in Vegas and one more caller in Iowa.

02:52:19.000 Go ahead, Clint, you're on the air.

02:52:21.000 Alex, I just wanted to say I appreciate the work you and David do.

02:52:25.000 I was watching the interview last night on Webster Tarpley, and it just seems like there's a blackout on the fact that Marvin Bush was very involved in the security at the World Trade Center and the admission that Silverstein made on TV, and it just seemed like it really would have turned the tide on that interview, and I was jumping up and down and, say it, say it, say it, but he never said it.

02:52:48.000 Is there a blackout about that subject?

02:52:51.000 I don't think so.

02:52:52.000 I think just that there are so many things to talk about that in those shows you get very little opportunity to say very much.

02:53:01.000 Yeah, I mean, we could second-guess Tarpley.

02:53:02.000 I give him an A+.

02:53:05.000 Because when they're jumping on you and both interrupting you, I mean... I thought Jones really showed himself for what he really is.

02:53:11.000 Oh yeah, it was disgusting. 0.71

02:53:14.000 Well, he's scared.

02:53:15.000 I've talked to Allen privately.

02:53:17.000 And, yeah, I mean, look, if you think the left, the mainline left is going to save you, America, you've got another thing coming.

02:53:23.000 I mean, definitely the left and the right at the top are the same group.

02:53:27.000 David, any comments on that?

02:53:27.000 Well, you know, they're not the same in a lot of respects, but on certain vital issues you won't find the left speaking out.

02:53:39.000 That's what I meant on warmongering and elitism, yeah.

02:53:43.000 Yeah, and certainly on 9-11, I deal with a number of journalists in my book, and most of them are from the left, and they've been worse than mainstream journalists on this issue.

02:53:56.000 Who's up next?

02:53:57.000 Because I've only got time for one more call.

02:53:59.000 Kyle in Iowa, you're on the air, go ahead.

02:54:01.000 Hi, how's it going?

02:54:03.000 Thanks for taking my call.

02:54:06.000 The question I have is, I've been on internet forums arguing back and forth with people about 9-11 truth and the plausibility of the buildings falling due to jet fires and all that, or jet fuel fires and all that, and one of the arguments I haven't been able to rebuttal as effectively as I would like to is, some people are like, well you don't know... Just go ahead and put it out, go ahead and put it out.

02:54:30.000 Right.

02:54:32.000 People are like, well, you don't know what else is in the building, what could have been contributing to those fires, and I know personally that the buildings had a certain fire code, but I just don't know how to... Okay, this is how you counter, and we'll get Devin Ray Griffin's comment.

02:54:45.000 So, yeah, maybe there was, you know, dragons in there.

02:54:50.000 Maybe there were reptoid aliens.

02:54:52.000 Maybe the Easter Bunny had big long teeth of carbide steel buzz saws. 1.00

02:54:57.000 Look, There is code.

02:55:00.000 There's nothing that could do that except for chemical type explosives and thermite or thermate.

02:55:05.000 There's nothing that could do that.

02:55:06.000 A fuel oil tank couldn't do that.

02:55:08.000 It's never fallen from that before.

02:55:10.000 We have scientific temperature ratios and we know with seven.

02:55:14.000 Then on tower one and two, you have the big columns and you have people leaning out right where columns are suddenly severed whose skin isn't burning but giant steel beams are.

02:55:24.000 David Ray Griffin, last word.

02:55:26.000 Well, the other thing you can say Because even if these scenarios were true, that these were towering infernals, and even if they were 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, as hot as they could possibly get, the building still would not have come down.

02:55:43.000 And particularly building, you know, the South Tower collapses in 56 seconds, 56 minutes.

02:55:50.000 Look, no modern steel building's ever done it.

02:55:52.000 I mean, they can always make excuses about how the magic bullet changed directions four times and wasn't damaged and shot through metal and bone and, you know, then flew to Pluto and back and then, you know, resurrected, uh, you know, Timbuktu.

02:56:05.000 Uh, listen, I appreciate your question.

02:56:07.000 Good to hear from you.

02:56:09.000 Professor David Ray Griffin, we love your new book.

02:56:11.000 It's up on InfoWars.com.

02:56:13.000 Thanks for spending time with us.

02:56:15.000 Okay, thank you, Alex.

02:56:16.000 God bless you, my friend.

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