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00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

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00:00:23.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome The dollar drops further.

00:00:39.000 Oil prices explode.

00:00:41.000 The housing market shakes from Miami to San Francisco.

00:00:49.000 But the average American is just beginning to become concerned.

00:00:53.000 The average American is just beginning to get an inkling that we face major crises in this society.

00:01:03.000 We have three guests today, and I'll be telling you about those three special guests coming up in the next segment.

00:01:09.000 One of them is Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, who's now just come right out with the fact that 9-11's an inside job, and he's now come right out with the fact that he believes they're getting ready to stage massive terror attacks.

00:01:19.000 He feels it in his belly, and he'll be joining us coming up today.

00:01:24.000 We've got two other guests we'll tell you about as well.

00:01:30.000 But I've been noticing now that I'm getting a lot of emails, a lot of phone calls, a lot of letters, and I'm seeing a lot of videos on YouTube as well-known conservative bloggers, but that were not on the government payroll that were actually conservative bloggers.

00:01:46.000 And just a lot of other individuals are now admitting that George Bush is bad, or may have been lied to, and are now basically shattering their left-right blinders.

00:01:58.000 And we're seeing the same thing at an accelerated pace on the left.

00:02:03.000 The left is forged, controlled, owned by the New World Order. 0.83

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00:02:15.000 And that's why they always win, because they've had the illusion that there is choice when there hasn't been.

00:02:22.000 Finally, and I keep harping on this, but now we have some new developments, finally, We see approval ratings now of 12% in Congress.

00:02:32.000 It was 14-ish a month ago.

00:02:34.000 We see Dick Cheney with approval rating plunging.

00:02:37.000 We see Bush's approval rating plunging.

00:02:40.000 Both parties are now hated.

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00:03:09.000 They start trying to basically loot even faster in the few minutes they've got before they roll over on their backs and twitch their little legs into oblivion.

00:03:26.000 And that's what's happening, but I mean they are just wildly running around, stealing, grabbing, just like nothing I've ever seen.

00:03:36.000 They're very upset they didn't shot the country's head completely off with the amnesty program.

00:03:43.000 They've still got 14 daggers shoved in our back, just on the immigration issue alone, but We're not completely dead yet, and so they know that the economy can implode anytime.

00:03:56.000 They know that there's a hundred crises plus they face, and they wanted to get that blanket amnesty before they also brought in the economic collapse.

00:04:07.000 So the mere fact that we're holding back their plans, the mere fact that we're holding back their programs, means that they cannot institute the next phase.

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00:04:34.000 If we expose all this government-sponsored terror, they may back off.

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00:08:00.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

00:08:06.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:10.000 All right, coming up today, we have Edwin Black.

00:08:23.000 Amen.

00:08:24.000 The author of the War on the Week and also IBM and the Holocaust scheduled to be joining us.

00:08:31.000 Then we have Dr. Paul Craig Roberts who's coming right out and saying the neocons are getting ready to stage a terror attack.

00:08:37.000 And we've got Richard Gage who I had on for about 45 minutes last week or two weeks ago that I rescheduled for a longer hour and a half interview so we can take your calls on the controlled demolitions of Tower 1, 2, and 7.

00:08:53.000 And I know that Most of you understand this.

00:08:56.000 You're informed on this issue.

00:08:59.000 But we need to have all the specific scientific evidence from an engineer, from an architect, whose group has hundreds and hundreds of members that is exponentially growing.

00:09:09.000 We need to go over this data.

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00:09:15.000 Other architects that are out there, or if you have friends or family that are architects or engineers, call them.

00:09:22.000 Tell them to tune in to the internet stream or on your local AM or FM dial.

00:09:27.000 Tell them to tune in on the shortwave.

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00:09:36.000 Because this is scientific evidence.

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00:09:44.000 You know, Mr. Rothschild can say that Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, are closer to the sun than earth but the scientific fact shows that's not the case and they're trying to bring in non-reality more and more by design and the people are rejecting it.

00:10:06.000 That is the good news.

00:10:07.000 The social planners, the sociologists of the new world order, the technicians went too far, ladies and gentlemen.

00:10:14.000 They've lost all credibility now.

00:10:19.000 So that's coming up with Richard Gage later in the transmission today also iPhone a Trojan horse for government surveillance the most detailed report on this and this is the next wave this is the next step in the evolution of technology I actually my wife got an iPhone and she likes technology stuff And I thought it was all hype.

00:10:49.000 Everything I heard about it is true.

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00:10:55.000 I'd call it Web 3.0.

00:10:58.000 I mean, it's definitely the future.

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00:11:06.000 But we've done an investigation of it, since it broke in Russian newspapers on Monday, that it's a Trojan horse.

00:11:14.000 We have a report up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com on that front.

00:11:20.000 Also, again, as I mentioned, Dr. Paul Kirk-Roberts coming up in about 20 minutes.

00:11:24.000 My wake-up call, watch for another 9-11 WMD exercise. 0.95

00:11:32.000 Also, Agency French Press, U.S.

00:11:35.000 might strike Pakistan, the White House says.

00:11:38.000 It's not even big news here in the United States.

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00:11:48.000 So, they lied to us about the war by design.

00:11:51.000 We have all our own memos and Pentagon documents.

00:11:54.000 And now if we as American citizens say, hey, you lied to us.

00:11:58.000 Oh, you're not allowed to question and you're helping the enemy.

00:12:04.000 Funny, your own Pentagon plan says you actually want to create enemies where there were none and stir up and create resistance as a pretext to not just stay in the Middle East but widen operations.

00:12:18.000 So, that is coming up as well.

00:12:23.000 Also on the economy front, Miami condo glut pushes Florida economy to brink of recession.

00:12:30.000 Talk about condo glut, they're building a 55 story mega condo building right here in Austin, Texas.

00:12:40.000 I mean, we're not that big of a city.

00:12:42.000 And they're building, it's gotta be, last time I counted it, 20 other at least 15 story condo buildings just downtown.

00:12:52.000 I mean, everywhere.

00:12:54.000 They're tearing down neighborhoods, they're tearing down other houses, other areas, and they're building condos.

00:13:01.000 And I saw this in the 80s, I saw it in the 70s.

00:13:04.000 Every time there's about to be a big recession, my dad, growing up, he said, you see all those cranes, son?

00:13:09.000 That means a recession's coming.

00:13:10.000 I go, what do you mean?

00:13:11.000 He goes, every time I've seen them build like that, a recession's coming.

00:13:15.000 Why that's the formula, I'm not sure, but we'll be getting into that a little bit later as well.

00:13:21.000 We've only got him until the bottom of the hour, then Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former editor of Wall Street Journal, the father of Reaganomics, comes on to discuss that he believes we're about to go into martial law.

00:13:32.000 A lot of other people are saying the same thing.

00:13:33.000 Even Barbara Boxer said that we've never been this close to a dictatorship.

00:13:38.000 These are the times that try men and women's souls, but I always like to go back in time to the mirror to the future.

00:13:45.000 You know, we've done a four-part series on eugenics in its current context, under its current rubrics that it's operating under, but as we've discussed over and over again, the research of Edwin Black comes up, and he wrote a book about IBM and the Holocaust, and also the War on the Weak, and I've read the IBM Holocaust book years ago.

00:14:12.000 I've just purchased the War on the Weak book, continuing my investigation of the history of eugenics and just how widespread it was.

00:14:22.000 So, joining us is Edwin Black, author, he is a Good afternoon.

00:14:29.000 New York Times bestselling author, been all over TV and radio.

00:14:32.000 Many of you already know who he is.

00:14:34.000 And I appreciate Mr. Black coming on with us. - Good afternoon, how are you? - Good.

00:14:41.000 Just in the time we've got with you, how did you discover how dominant eugenics was in the last century?

00:14:47.000 And then, I mean, from my research, it seems as if it was the dominant scientific group that really spawned many of the so-called modern disciplines that we see today, or certainly co-opted them.

00:15:01.000 When I first rode IBM in the Holocaust, I encountered a continuing thread of identification of individuals along eugenic guidelines.

00:15:11.000 And like many people, I thought that this was just some sort of a wacky science that had been taken to absurd extremes by the Nazis.

00:15:26.000 It was only later That I learned when I did the research for War Against the Weak that all the Nazi notions of a master race and of the eradication of those deemed unfit to live on this earth, genocide, were actually created in the United States 0.54

00:15:52.000 In many cases, the Nazi laws duplicated those developed decades before in California.

00:16:02.000 Their research was funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and the Carnegie Institution.

00:16:10.000 And the whole idea in America was to create a master race of blonde, blue-eyed Nordics Which Hitler studied and transmogrified into blonde, blue-eyed Aryans. 0.91

00:16:33.000 And so you have the horrible experiments of Mengele in Auschwitz. 0.54

00:16:41.000 Uh, where he attempted to, uh, put, um, uh, uh, blue eyes into, um, twins who had brown eyes and did all these monster experiments.

00:16:52.000 He was actually part of a program funded by the Rockefeller Foundation.

00:16:57.000 This is all lost to history.

00:16:58.000 And of course, nothing that our Holocaust Museum in Washington is going to ever bring out because, um, they, um, They have an unwritten taboo against mentioning corporate involvement in the Holocaust.

00:17:16.000 So I did this research, and I discovered that eugenics really began in Victorian England, and was designed to just create a mathematical formula for a healthy marriage.

00:17:32.000 You know, rich, talented people marrying other rich, talented people would undoubtedly create rich, talented offspring.

00:17:42.000 But by the time it was transplanted to the United States and infused with a racist ideology that was caused by the socioeconomic upheavals of the 1900s, It became a pretext for extermination.

00:18:06.000 When did Thomas Watson, in your research on him and IBM, when did he get the eugenics bug and become a wholehearted follower and adherent?

00:18:17.000 I wouldn't say that Thomas Watson of IBM was any more of an adherent.

00:18:23.000 than Theodore Roosevelt, or the governor of Massachusetts, or Woodrow Wilson.

00:18:30.000 I understand it was very widespread, yeah.

00:18:32.000 So basically, Thomas Edison reflected the mores of the time, the institutional mores of the time, and don't forget in 1927, the concept of eugenics, which was extermination, and And reproductive halting of those deemed unfit was a law in 27 states.

00:19:02.000 No, I understand.

00:19:03.000 I mean, that's my point, is that I found that this was the mainline view, and that basically Graham Bell, it didn't matter, they were all into this, and now Today, many of their children and grandchildren are the power structure and actually hold many of the same views just under new names.

00:19:24.000 Well, you're most correct because after it was proved at Nuremberg that what Hitler engaged in was not a war of plunder and conquest as much as a biological war to create a master race, eugenics fell out of favor And the very same, the very same scientist... Stay there, sir. 0.51

00:19:46.000 Let's talk about this.

00:19:47.000 Let's talk about how it went underground and then became even more powerful.

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00:24:21.000 Welcome back.

00:24:22.000 Edwin Black is our guest, and he's written several bestselling books on eugenics.

00:24:30.000 Award-winning New York Times, international bestselling investigative author of 57 bestselling editions in 14 languages in 61 countries.

00:24:37.000 And he joins us right now.

00:24:40.000 Mr. Black, in the few minutes we've got left with you, we were getting up to the point of eugenics going underground and basically taking over every major discipline or the crypto-eugenicists.

00:24:51.000 Please continue.

00:24:51.000 Well, eugenics went underground, and all the same institutions at Cold Spring, Tom, Harbor and the universities renamed their departments of eugenics departments of genetics and all the foundation grants and all that continued the research and in some cases many of these same Nazi monsters continued on as leading members of the genetics community.

00:25:19.000 Now, is that why I talk to biology students and even graduate students and they send me emails going, yes, all humans should die, we are a scourge on the earth, and I'll email back saying, you're a eugenicist.

00:25:32.000 They go, how dare you say that?

00:25:34.000 It's like so inculcated, they don't even know!

00:25:38.000 Well, I think what your listeners need to understand is that there's creeping eugenics. 0.91

00:25:43.000 The main way you have creeping eugenics is to start to devalue human life. 0.92

00:25:51.000 The original eugenicists claimed that white guys with brown hair had to be exterminated and in fact in many states starting back to about 1911 There were actually bills put into legislatures asking for the public gas chambers to be built.

00:26:16.000 This is decades before Hitler made his gas chambers.

00:26:20.000 Now let's be clear.

00:26:21.000 Repeat that for people in more detail.

00:26:23.000 Well, the original concept of the American eugenesis, which was supported by the government, the American Agriculture Department, et cetera, was that the way to perfect a human race was

00:26:40.000 was to exterminate the bottom tenth and the original proposal was gas chambers and some states like Ohio legislation had actually been put into the state advocating for doctors to prescribe a gas chamber.

00:26:57.000 Now that did not succeed and so they went to the other idea which is forced surgical sterilization.

00:27:05.000 Now inhibiting reproduction Uh, deliberately, was later held, uh, after the Nazis did it systematically, uh, to be, uh, a form of genocide.

00:27:16.000 In the few minutes we've got left, sir, it's clear I'm gonna have to, uh, you know, beseech you to come on for a full hour, because you've got even, you know, a lot more knowledge than I have on this, and I've been studying it for years.

00:27:25.000 There's just so much.

00:27:26.000 I just learned more.

00:27:27.000 I know you meticulously document.

00:27:29.000 Skipping ahead, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, they give 67 billion.

00:27:35.000 I tracked most of it is to eugenics, creeping eugenics operations in the third world. 0.98

00:27:42.000 Comments on that?

00:27:44.000 Well, I don't think your listeners have a clue as to what the next eugenics is. 0.79

00:27:50.000 It's not going to be one based on race.

00:27:52.000 It's going to be based on corporate power and economy.

00:27:55.000 The insurance companies are going to lead the way.

00:27:58.000 The major corporations are going to lead the way.

00:28:00.000 And I'm afraid that the technology that's going to be used is not going to be DNA and fingerprinting and index cards.

00:28:10.000 As much as RFID tracking as they identify who will have a right to buy.

00:28:14.000 And by the way, biometrics was invented by Galton a hundred years ago.

00:28:22.000 We think that term's new.

00:28:23.000 Biometrics was invented a hundred years ago by a eugenicist.

00:28:26.000 Well, I don't think that Galton invented biometrics.

00:28:30.000 Actually, let me take that back.

00:28:32.000 Uh, Galton invented fingerprint science, and he began to try to, uh, launch a science called biometrics, and there was a journal called Biometrica.

00:28:43.000 Yeah, I've got him.

00:28:43.000 Something of that nature, but Galton himself was not a negative eugenicist.

00:28:49.000 Who tried to destroy anybody.

00:28:52.000 He was a positive.

00:28:53.000 He thought good people should breed together, and then the extremists came. 0.89

00:28:56.000 Well, Dr. Pianchi at UT says 90% should die, and his students email me and say, no, we must all die.

00:29:02.000 Well, who's doing that? 0.98

00:29:03.000 I mean, that's just silly.

00:29:05.000 Dr. Pianchi at UT.

00:29:06.000 Have you heard about him?

00:29:08.000 No, I really don't know, but I would just say that there is a group of people who do not want mankind to die, but they want mankind To split into two groups, self-directed evolution and those who will serve it.

00:29:26.000 And that's a whole other topic that one day we can talk about.

00:29:29.000 Listen, can I have my producer call you and set you up in the next month for a full hour?

00:29:32.000 It's possible.

00:29:33.000 Thank you very, very much.

00:29:34.000 Hey, thank you.

00:29:35.000 Fire out any websites, sir.

00:29:37.000 The website is edwinblack.com and the eugenics website is waragainsttheweek.com.

00:29:45.000 We've got links to that up on infowars.com.

00:29:47.000 Thank you, sir.

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00:34:01.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. - One.

00:34:04.000 Well, here's the good news.

00:34:07.000 The Congress now has a 12% approval rate, down two points in just 30 days.

00:34:12.000 Cheney is now sitting in a major Gallup poll at 10 points, down from 12.

00:34:18.000 Mainline, hardcore, neocon, drooling base, who have never been conservative, they just bought into phony neoconism like they bought into a new Pepsi slogan, has now woken up to the fraud.

00:34:32.000 The troops just a year ago, 70% in major polls won it out, now it's over 80%.

00:34:39.000 Ladies and gentlemen, the criminal government, both parties working together, have blown their cover.

00:34:45.000 The left-right paradigm is imploding.

00:34:47.000 People are waking up.

00:34:48.000 But they know they're being lied to.

00:34:50.000 They don't have the details.

00:34:52.000 But when Dr. Roberts has warned of this in the past, it hasn't gotten as much attention.

00:34:57.000 It's another indices that people are now finally listening.

00:35:00.000 He put out a warning last week saying they may stage a big terror attack, i.e.

00:35:04.000 the globalists, the neocons, a particularly virulent strain running things right now.

00:35:09.000 And finally, it's been picked up.

00:35:11.000 It's all over the web.

00:35:12.000 The web is on fire with the columns he wrote a few days ago and another one yesterday.

00:35:18.000 One of them is, My Wake Up Call.

00:35:20.000 Watch for another 9-11 WMD experience.

00:35:25.000 Here's another one from Raw Story.

00:35:26.000 Old Line Republican Warrant.

00:35:27.000 Something in the works to trigger a police state.

00:35:31.000 And with the PDD-51.

00:35:34.000 With the John Warren Defense Authorization Act, with the enemy combatant designations, with this whole host of issues, the Military Commissions Act, with Bush announcing that he's above the Congress, they are clearly testing the water.

00:35:50.000 We also know they had Tommy Franks for $540,000 a year, going around for a full year saying we're going to have martial law for another attack.

00:35:58.000 It turned out he was illegally on the payroll as part of the multi-billion dollar fake news buy.

00:36:04.000 Remember Armstrong Williams?

00:36:05.000 Well, that's the tip of the iceberg.

00:36:07.000 Joining us is Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, and we're trying to avert going into total dictatorship.

00:36:13.000 Dr. Roberts, thanks for coming on.

00:36:15.000 Thanks.

00:36:16.000 You've got Paul William Roberts, not Paul Craig Roberts, but I'm aware of his work, and we write similar things.

00:36:24.000 This is very bizarre, because I had Dr. Roberts coming on today.

00:36:28.000 It's not Dr. Roberts, but it's Dr. Paul Williams.

00:36:31.000 And then you know what happened?

00:36:31.000 We must have switched the numbers.

00:36:34.000 Sir, tell us about yourself.

00:36:36.000 Well, my last book... I wrote a book on the Iraq invasion.

00:36:40.000 I was there.

00:36:42.000 My last book was a novel, which really was the history of America, the history of American foreign policy from the late 70s on.

00:36:53.000 I mean, I can talk about this issue just as easily as he can, and I'm aware of his... Yes, I'm aware of your work.

00:36:59.000 This is interesting how we got our wires crossed, but you're on the same page.

00:37:02.000 Why don't you go ahead and speak to what's happening?

00:37:05.000 Well, I think, you know, one of the interesting things now is that, you know, not that the corporate media will let you know this, is that, you know, where does the U.S.

00:37:13.000 military support stand for the Republican candidates?

00:37:17.000 Well, it turns out that over half the military and veterans donated money to Ron Paul.

00:37:24.000 More than any other candidate.

00:37:26.000 So, you know, Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who wants to withdraw the troops.

00:37:32.000 So, I mean, it's quite clear where their views stand, where their sympathies lie in terms of Republican candidates who are voicing their view.

00:37:42.000 And, again, that's not been reported in your papers there.

00:37:48.000 Where do you see all this going?

00:37:50.000 Well, it just seems to be an inexorable spiral towards tightening everything down.

00:37:57.000 I mean, I'm in Canada, and here the problems are growing because we're so intimately tied to your economy, and now we're in this odd position of being the principal supplier of energy to America, and there are a lot of people here who seriously think that the US will invade.

00:38:20.000 You know, probably do it in a very subtle, you know, financial way, but our resources are now considered as your resources.

00:38:31.000 And as our economy thrives and yours begins to decline, it will look more and more attractive to gain control of the assets up here.

00:38:43.000 But, I mean, the overall drift is towards A new kind of Nazi state. 0.67

00:38:49.000 I think that's unmistakable.

00:38:52.000 And it doesn't matter, you know, which candidate is in.

00:38:54.000 I mean, the whole political system is rotten.

00:38:57.000 You've got cash wars in Congress and, you know, a system of lobbyists that basically counteract democracy.

00:39:06.000 And, you know, people are frustrated, but they have no outlet.

00:39:11.000 They have no voice.

00:39:15.000 But as I was saying earlier, people now are not buying into the fraud anymore.

00:39:20.000 I mean, that's really the good news.

00:39:22.000 Well, yeah, that is the good news, but how are they going to translate that into political action?

00:39:28.000 I was talking to Cindy Sheehan, we were both speaking at the same convention, and she had an offer to run for Congress, and probably would have been a shoo-in, but she realized that once she was there, she would be able to do far less than she can do now. 0.98

00:39:47.000 That's the issue.

00:39:48.000 The people who are supposed to be acting on behalf of the American public are not.

00:39:55.000 Now, is Cindy still going to run? 1.00

00:39:59.000 She didn't rule it out further down the line.

00:40:04.000 We interviewed her just last week and she said she's gonna run and I think she can beat Nancy Pelosi and I disagree with her.

00:40:11.000 I think with her bully pulpit once she was in Congress, plus that'd be a great defeat to the Democrats saying, hey, you know, you do what the people want and what's constitutional or you're gone. 0.99

00:40:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:22.000 But I mean, look at the Democrats in terms of their support for the war.

00:40:27.000 Yeah, go over that!

00:40:28.000 I mean, talk about that.

00:40:30.000 Well, most of them.

00:40:32.000 In fact, I was talking about this to Cindy Sheehan, and she was going on about when the feminine principle enters politics. 1.00

00:40:42.000 And I said, well, what about Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir and Indira Gandhi and Hillary Clinton?

00:40:49.000 And she said, well, these are women who've made themselves more like men than men in order to compete in that environment. 1.00

00:40:56.000 That is not the same thing.

00:40:57.000 As bringing in, you know, the principle of, you know, the true feminine principle. 1.00

00:41:03.000 And to some extent I agree with that.

00:41:04.000 I mean, look at Hillary's position. 1.00

00:41:06.000 You know, it's more kind of hawk-like than the hawks.

00:41:11.000 I mean, they're... McGraw said just after the invasion that, you know, he would have done the same thing but done it differently.

00:41:22.000 So, there's been very little substantive difference between Democrats and Republicans.

00:41:29.000 In fact, some of the worst, most egregious errors or tightening of restrictions of liberty have come under the Democrats.

00:41:40.000 On the central issues, there's almost no difference once they're in power.

00:41:44.000 I mean, Clinton, when he was running against George I, He said that he actually ran on a program of reduced military spending that was going to bring troops home.

00:41:55.000 And the result, when he got into power, and nobody called him on it, is that he increased military spending and put more Americans out there around the world than any president before him.

00:42:08.000 You know, besides bombing Iraq virtually every day. 0.94

00:42:12.000 It's a difference in style that the American public seems to have been suckered into for too long now.

00:42:19.000 They need to wake up to the fact that for a start, two parties is really not a choice, it's an alternative.

00:42:27.000 And when the alternative proves to be virtually identical, the country is being run for a handful of oligarchs and that needs to stop and it needs to be replaced with a real democracy.

00:42:41.000 Well, tell us specifically about your work and some of the things you've been doing.

00:42:47.000 Well, I started off writing books about countries that had gone through the colonial period and were emerging from it, like Egypt and India, and I became interested in the Middle East, and I went to Iraq first in the late 80s and interviewed Saddam, and then went back during the embargo I saw the incredible condition the country has been reduced to.

00:43:14.000 I mean, this is a rich country.

00:43:16.000 It's not a basket case as it's presented in the corporate media.

00:43:20.000 It's an incredibly rich country.

00:43:22.000 Besides oil, there's uranium and all kinds of other natural resources.

00:43:27.000 And Iraqis will be the first to tell you that. 0.82

00:43:29.000 We can pay for everything ourselves.

00:43:31.000 Just give us our oil and our resources and leave us alone. 1.00

00:43:37.000 But the image you get now, and most journalists Never saw the country before and don't realize how splendid a city Baghdad was.

00:43:47.000 They just see the smoldering wasteland it's become.

00:43:51.000 So it's hard to realize how rich the country actually is.

00:43:55.000 But your troops would not be there if that was not the case.

00:44:00.000 So I wrote a book about Iraq during the embargo and Saddam's rule.

00:44:07.000 I was opposed to Saddam as anybody else was.

00:44:10.000 That was a terrible regime.

00:44:12.000 But again, you know, he was helped into power by the CIA and the British, and kept there by them, by all accounts, until his usefulness outran, and a lot of Iraqis still believe That he was a CIA agent whose job was to deliver the country into the hands of America when the time came.

00:44:35.000 Well we know that Saddam Hussein in 1958 was trained by the CIA in Cairo, Egypt as an assassin.

00:44:43.000 We know that they told the Baathists they would stop trying to overthrow them, and they made him the head of security in 69.

00:44:49.000 Then 10 years later, in 79, he was put into power.

00:44:53.000 He was given $30-plus billion.

00:44:54.000 He attacked Iran. 0.99

00:44:56.000 Then April Gillespie, U.S. ambassador, told him, we don't get involved.

00:44:59.000 We're allies with you in inter-Arab affairs with Kuwait.

00:45:02.000 And they set that whole thing up.

00:45:04.000 Then they had a 14-year embargo.

00:45:10.000 I mean, we are now into 16, 17-plus years of this extermination going on.

00:45:18.000 Our first world nation is now a smoldering wasteland.

00:45:21.000 I've talked to many troops that have come back.

00:45:23.000 I mean, in the cities, most people literally are throwing their human waste out in the streets now.

00:45:27.000 It's all falling apart.

00:45:29.000 One of the first things they did, of course, as you know better than I, when they took over, was to make the data on the number of dead a secret.

00:45:35.000 We did get the Lansing Journal, and then John Hopkins did a study.

00:45:38.000 It is over 600,000 plus dead in the first three years.

00:45:42.000 We're now four years and three months into this, so the numbers when they come out will be much higher now.

00:45:47.000 All the ministries in Baghdad were destroyed.

00:45:51.000 During the bombing, deliberately.

00:45:53.000 And in fact, that in itself is a war crime.

00:45:56.000 You don't destroy a country's infrastructure.

00:45:58.000 It's all the previous records are gone.

00:46:00.000 Population records, things like that.

00:46:03.000 So it's very easy to fudge the figures.

00:46:05.000 But I mean, the facts remain.

00:46:06.000 I mean, I'm amazed that we've allowed Paul Wolfowitz to simply walk away from this mess, because he had had this in planning since 1978.

00:46:16.000 Then he did a contingency study, which is a kind of what-if scenario.

00:46:20.000 What if the Russians made an alliance with the Iraqis and gained access to a warm water port in the Gulf, thereby threatening America's strategic interest, i.e.

00:46:33.000 the oil.

00:46:34.000 He couldn't push that plan back then because Sudan was still a useful ally, but he kept on pushing it Uh, and the odd thing is he kept on pushing it after the Soviet Union collapsed and its reasons ceased to exist.

00:46:47.000 So, uh, you can induce by that that the reasons were not the reasons given.

00:46:54.000 If the reason then was to thwart Russia's aims to get a warm water port and threaten the oil, what were the reasons after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

00:47:02.000 Well, they just want to have weapons sales, and the Pentagon tells us they want to destabilize the whole region, and then they tell us, oh no, we're there to stabilize it, when it's actually the opposite.

00:47:10.000 I mean, to see a population of 24 million go down to less than 22 million, millions are now dead.

00:47:17.000 Okay, fair.

00:47:18.000 Wolfowitz must have known this.

00:47:20.000 because he had the thing in planning for so long.

00:47:23.000 If he didn't know it, he was incompetent and negligent, which I doubt.

00:47:26.000 But if he did know it, he's guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity because anyone could have told him, and they did tell him, anyone who knew anything about Iraq, including myself, were urging them not to do this because the result would be chaos, sectarian violence, Well, have you read P2OG? 0.83

00:47:44.000 That's the plan, break the country in three parts, have endless war. 0.97

00:47:47.000 That's right, that's right.

00:47:49.000 And also to, you know, reduce the Sunni part. 0.97

00:47:55.000 Do you ever hear U.S. 0.99

00:47:57.000 talk radio where they just snicker and say kill all Arabs? 0.83

00:48:00.000 But it's all these real soft people who've never even lived or ever humanized these people, never been to Iraq like you and others have been. 0.98

00:48:08.000 I'd like them to go to Iraq and look at the dead and dying children and the sewage running down the roads. 1.00

00:48:14.000 If they want them all dead, they need to go get a gun and go over there and start killing these kids. 0.89

00:48:18.000 No, when I was there during the embargo, I went there for the New York Times, in fact, they wanted me to write an article on Uday Hussain. 0.98

00:48:27.000 And when I got there, I realized the embargo is the story.

00:48:30.000 I mean, there was nothing.

00:48:31.000 The pharmacies, you know, we were lucky if there was a bottle of aspirin on the shelves, and the children were dying of malnutrition.

00:48:39.000 Malnutrition is not as dramatic as starvation.

00:48:42.000 Uh, you know, but it's every bit as lethal.

00:48:45.000 You just get weak, you get sick, and you die.

00:48:47.000 That's right.

00:48:48.000 600,000 children under the age of 5 died.

00:48:50.000 And then they run little propaganda pieces going, look, warehouses of dental chairs Saddam won't give his people.

00:48:57.000 But what they didn't tell you is, they were letting the media in, thinking they'd tell the truth.

00:49:01.000 They could have a dental chair, but then no tubing or systems to run it, because that could be used in weapons. 0.85

00:49:08.000 I mean, it was ridiculous.

00:49:09.000 The embargo included things like pencils, because the graphite could be used on the nose cones of missiles.

00:49:16.000 It included spiral bindings.

00:49:19.000 The calendars from Scotland were kept out.

00:49:23.000 An Iraqi girl applying to do research at the British Library was told that that came under the embargo.

00:49:30.000 Now, we weren't told that intellectual activities came under the embargo.

00:49:34.000 I mean, there was no paper in Baghdad at that point.

00:49:37.000 I mean, I got my hotel bill on the back of some old government letter.

00:49:41.000 It was a really sad state of affairs, and every other person seemed as if they were on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

00:49:48.000 And to see them go through that, and I was there during the Gulf War as well, and the country was in pretty bad shape after Iran-Iraq.

00:49:57.000 But to see what's going on now is heartbreaking.

00:50:01.000 Well, Mr. Roberts, I'm really honored to have you and I'm glad we got our wires crossed because we've got like three Paul Gregg Roberts in the computer and that this happened today.

00:50:11.000 Tell folks, because I'm very familiar with your work, I'd like to get you on for a full hour sometime to really talk about your experiences in Baghdad so we can humanize these people for these yuppies that have never been outside their city. 0.82

00:50:22.000 Who just dehumanize that it's like the plague is over in the Middle East and they all need to die.

00:50:29.000 Tell folks about your book.

00:50:31.000 Well, it's a novel that really is a condensation of the history of America from the Carter era onwards.

00:50:41.000 But I meant the book about Iraq, yeah.

00:50:44.000 No, the book about Iraq.

00:50:46.000 Stay there, stay there, sir.

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00:54:03.000 Well, we're going to get that other Paul Craig Roberts on again to talk about Baghdad and his trips over there and what he witnessed.

00:54:11.000 and...

00:54:12.000 That's funny, I've never had that happen in my years on air.

00:54:15.000 We got so many names in our database, never interviewed that gentleman before, that we got our wires crossed and ended up on somebody I never interviewed before on.

00:54:24.000 And then magically he agreed and written books about the same stuff and was aware and said we're going into martial law police state.

00:54:32.000 Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, who I hope you'll just keep for about 10 minutes because he's leaving the country tomorrow, is with us right now.

00:54:39.000 He's put out a warning that they may be staging some type of terror event or getting us into martial law, and finally people are listening.

00:54:48.000 Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, thank you for coming on, sir.

00:54:51.000 Sure, Alex.

00:54:52.000 Just in a nutshell, in the time we've got, finally people are listening to you and you're putting out your strongest warnings.

00:54:58.000 Why are you doing that?

00:55:00.000 Well, Alex, I think what really made it so obvious was the July 18th Los Angeles Times report by Ronald Brownstein, which reminded us all that unpopular presidents have consistently undercut their party in the next election.

00:55:21.000 Based on everything we know about unpopular presidents in elections, Los Angeles Times reports that 88% of voters who disapprove of the retiring president's job performance vote against his party's nominee in the next elections.

00:55:40.000 And on average, 80% of voters who disapprove of the president's performance have voted against his party's candidates even in House races.

00:55:49.000 So if you figure currently that you've got Seventy-five, seventy-four, seventy-five percent of the American people who disapprove of Bush, and the vast majority of those are going to be voting for the other candidates in the other party, then you face a total Republican wipeout.

00:56:15.000 It'll be a total wipeout.

00:56:18.000 And so you have to ask yourself, Do we think that Cheney and Karl Rove don't know this?

00:56:27.000 And so why is it they are persisting on a highly unpopular path that leads to electoral wipeout?

00:56:37.000 Because they've got an ace in the hole and that's mushroom clouds.

00:56:40.000 They've got an ace in the hole and that's going to be another 9-11 attack which will unify People, make them scared again, unify them around the President, and you can hear right now what Bush's speech will be after the next 9-11 attack, whether it's authentic or orchestrated.

00:57:06.000 You can hear his speech.

00:57:07.000 It'll go something like this.

00:57:10.000 My administration knew there would be more attacks from these terrorists who hate us and hate our way of life.

00:57:18.000 And are determined to destroy every one of us.

00:57:22.000 If only more of you had believed me and supported my war on terror, these new attacks would not have happened.

00:57:31.000 Our security efforts were impaired by the Democrats' determined attempts to surrender to the terrorists by forcing our withdrawal from Iraq.

00:57:44.000 And by civil libertarian assaults on our necessary security measures, if only more Americans had trusted their government, this would not have happened.

00:57:57.000 And so on.

00:57:57.000 Anyone should be able to write the script.

00:57:59.000 Well, we already hear Talk Radio saying that.

00:58:01.000 We already have seen Chertoff saying, well, you're not letting us do the security we need.

00:58:06.000 We're going to get hit.

00:58:07.000 Bin Laden's back to full power.

00:58:09.000 There's all this Bin Laden chatter.

00:58:10.000 We're in deep trouble.

00:58:11.000 I mean, it really looks like the balloon's going up, Dr. Roberts.

00:58:14.000 Yes, of course it is.

00:58:16.000 The National Intelligence Report says that The outdater is regrouped.

00:58:20.000 They're strong again.

00:58:22.000 They're determined to hit us here at home.

00:58:24.000 Sir, we've only got a 70-second break, and I know you've got to leave in just a moment.

00:58:28.000 They'll come back for just five more as you can finish your thoughts on this subject, and then we say bon voyage to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, the father of Reaganomics.

00:58:28.000 Stay there.

00:58:36.000 We'll be right back.

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00:58:56.000 Mainstream media.

00:58:57.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:00.000 You want answers?

00:59:01.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:03.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:07.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:13.000 We've got Richard Gage coming up, architect engineer.

00:59:20.000 With his big national organization, Architects and Engineers, 9-11 Truth, coming up after this break, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, father of Reaganomics, No.

00:59:31.000 2 Department of Treasury, associate editor at the Wall Street Journal, he joins us and I appreciate him doing that because he put out articles this week saying, hey, get ready for a staged event so that Bush can legitimize his whole operation.

00:59:47.000 You see the hubris, the confidence of them steaming forward as their approval ratings literally start going into single digits.

00:59:56.000 Dr. Roberts, continuing with what you were saying.

00:59:59.000 Okay, Alex, they're setting us up for another 9-11 type event.

01:00:08.000 That's one way they could go.

01:00:11.000 Another way they can go, as Pat Buchanan pointed out this week, they can have another Gulf of Tonkin event, because we've got three carrier strike forces in congested waters off Iran.

01:00:23.000 And what they really want to do is to hit Iran, and they want to hold this war together long enough to hit Iran. 0.70

01:00:32.000 And Ron Paul was saying that last week.

01:00:35.000 Well, they say it over and over.

01:00:37.000 Don't forget that we had Cheney a month or two back over there on board a ship in the Persian Gulf telling the Trumps we had to hit Iran.

01:00:50.000 So even the Vice President is determined.

01:00:53.000 It's in the press almost every day that he's pushing to hit Iran.

01:00:58.000 Did you hear about Pastor Hagee and these weird Christian groups demanding the President attack now and saying it's our new religion? 1.00

01:01:06.000 Alex, they're put into motion by Cheney and Rove.

01:01:14.000 This is something that's not coming from Hagee.

01:01:18.000 He's just mobilizing the Christian fundamentalists to get behind the attack when it happens. 0.73

01:01:25.000 They wouldn't have to have another 9-11 event unless the situation gets dire for Bush.

01:01:31.000 In which case, they would resort to that in order to scare the people behind him again and have a way of shutting up all the war critics.

01:01:40.000 Do you think that's going to happen and do you think we're going to go into a martial law type scenario?

01:01:47.000 If it happens, he'll declare a national emergency.

01:01:50.000 And that's the end.

01:01:51.000 What do we do at that point?

01:01:52.000 Do we submit?

01:01:53.000 Well, you can't do anything.

01:01:54.000 They can arrest you at will.

01:01:56.000 And you become an enemy combatant if you complain about the war.

01:02:01.000 Look, didn't you see the Pentagon yesterday or this morning?

01:02:05.000 Said we're aiding enemies, yeah.

01:02:07.000 Denounced Hillary Clinton for aiding the enemy, for talking about withdrawal.

01:02:14.000 And you may know that on the 17th of July, Bush issued this new national executive order that they can freeze the assets of anybody who is contributing to instability in Iraq.

01:02:29.000 So you could see them use that on Hillary. 1.00

01:02:33.000 People don't really realize how dire the situation is.

01:02:36.000 So here are the possibilities.

01:02:39.000 They can finesse the issue by having an incident.

01:02:43.000 Oh, Iran attacked our Navy. 0.97

01:02:45.000 People will fall for that just like they fell for it every other time.

01:02:49.000 And then that'll let them strike Iran. 0.99

01:02:52.000 You know, they've set Iran up. 0.99

01:02:55.000 We had the Senate resolution last week, I guess it was, 97 to nothing, to condemn Iran for killing our troops in Iraq.

01:03:02.000 Okay?

01:03:03.000 So that's all ready to go.

01:03:05.000 Now, if they think they need more than that, then they can stage a terrorist attack here or have a series of terrorist attacks, or if they know of one, an actual one, just let it happen.

01:03:18.000 We know they've already infiltrated a lot of blowhard dissident groups and got them to talk about terrorism, and then they arrested them for the terrorism.

01:03:29.000 So if they can infiltrate those kind of groups, they could probably provoke them into action.

01:03:34.000 I agree with you, sir.

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01:03:37.000 Let me just speak to you one moment off here.

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01:06:59.000 Alright, I just completed our interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts about impending martial law and state government terror attacks that precipitate that.

01:07:10.000 This is what I've been saying for four or five years.

01:07:13.000 The next attack will be when you start hearing them say, well we tried to keep you safe, but you wouldn't let us take all your freedoms to keep you safe, so now Al Qaeda is going to get you. 0.61

01:07:25.000 And they're now saying that, and you notice Dr. Paul Greg Roberts, a real conservative, is saying we are literally going down the tubes right now.

01:07:33.000 It's happening not tomorrow, not next week, and I could have held him over, but I just made the final point he didn't have time to make, and I'll make the yes and I'll make it for him.

01:07:44.000 He said, we don't even have to conjecture or analyze history anymore.

01:07:48.000 It's in the newspaper.

01:07:51.000 I mean, there's open talk of dictatorship, there's open talk of arresting people, there's open talk of World War III, they're saying we're going to be attacked by terrorists, we have Republican memos about how they want terrorism.

01:08:04.000 It's happening.

01:08:05.000 Okay, we're going to open the phones up later for our guest.

01:08:06.000 He'll be with us into the next hour.

01:08:09.000 We're examining the big terror attack, the staged event that kicked all this off.

01:08:13.000 I want him to start back over with his 18 major points to make about the collapse.

01:08:19.000 He got to about the first 8 or 9.

01:08:20.000 Maybe he can accelerate back through those and give us the other 10 or so that he didn't get to last time.

01:08:28.000 He is an architect engineer and he's the founding member of AE 911 Truth Architects and Engineers 911truth.org.

01:08:36.000 We have links to it up on PrisonPlanet.com and Infowars.com.

01:08:42.000 He has written a lot of scholarly reports, so have other members of his organization He's very well spoken, very articulate, very effective.

01:08:50.000 And they're bringing forward the scientific evidence of an inside job that's irrefutable.

01:08:55.000 But before we get into the 18 points and then take calls, Richard, first off, thanks for coming on with us.

01:09:01.000 And secondarily, what do you think about Dr. Paul Craig Roberts saying that he thinks the balloon may be going up?

01:09:06.000 Fruit loops, cuckoo.

01:09:09.000 Fruit loops, cuckoo.

01:09:12.000 Okay, that is not our guess.

01:09:14.000 We put the wrong caller on.

01:09:17.000 This is a fun house day here at the network at every level and every way.

01:09:23.000 Do we have Mr. Gage back on the line now?

01:09:25.000 Okay.

01:09:29.000 What happened is we let Gage go and then just so happened, Murphy's Law, the planets must be aligned here.

01:09:37.000 Lord Rothschild must be correct.

01:09:41.000 In that Jupiter and Saturn are now closer to the sun.

01:09:48.000 That was a new one here.

01:09:51.000 That's what happens though, once there's one mistake in one area, and that's what happened with this criminal government, it just leads to one after the other until you end up with things like what we just heard there.

01:10:04.000 Interesting story up on PrisonPlanet.com right now.

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01:11:12.000 The module could act as a backdoor for Trojan horse developers.

01:11:16.000 AT&T said the report adding that government structures would have access to the information.

01:11:22.000 Well, I mean, there's been reports about how they make all these telecommunications companies and hardware and software developers put backdoors in.

01:11:30.000 I mean, Microsoft basically is NSA.

01:11:33.000 And if you don't think that all based up there in Washington State that Apple isn't riddled with spooks, you got another thing coming.

01:11:40.000 Since AT&T displayed no hesitation in handing over information about their subscribers to the U.S.

01:11:44.000 government as part of the controversially legal NSA wiretapping scandal, well, I mean, they have whole floors at every facility that just are NSA.

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01:12:01.000 I told people eight, nine years ago, as I'd read it in industry publications, that all of the Cell phones have it built in that they can tune in and listen even when your phone is off and now that's in the news.

01:12:17.000 It goes on and on.

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01:12:39.000 The article is very important.

01:12:40.000 Alright, we do have our guest there I appreciate holding and Richard Gage with The founding member of AE911Truth.org, and I want to go over his 18 points, and I also want to take time out to take calls.

01:12:57.000 And at the same time, Dr. Paul Cray Roberts, who we just had on, sir, talked about how he thinks Bush may stage a big terror attack, because they've got to go into Iran.

01:13:06.000 He talked about how all the ducks are lined up in a row.

01:13:09.000 Are you getting that same sense of urgency, Mr. Gage?

01:13:13.000 Well, I do share that sense of urgency, although I don't have time, unfortunately, to research the events that he and you do.

01:13:21.000 I'm out there as much as I can trying to wake up as many architects, engineers, and others to the evidence that I'll be sharing with your listeners today.

01:13:31.000 Absolutely.

01:13:31.000 Just tell us about yourself and then let's go through the 18 points.

01:13:35.000 You got halfway through them last time.

01:13:36.000 Let's just rock it through all of them and then get into where this is going from here and take calls.

01:13:42.000 Okay.

01:13:43.000 Well, I've been a practicing architect for about 20 years, and I've designed a whole lot of steel-framed, fire-protected buildings, including in the Bay Area here.

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01:14:17.000 So, that's going to have 1,200 tons of steel.

01:14:20.000 A very, very large project, including some high-rise office and commercial.

01:14:26.000 So, a very exciting project for us.

01:14:30.000 Please continue.

01:14:32.000 Okay.

01:14:36.000 We started talking about Building 7, World Trade Center 7, the last time you and I talked, and what we discovered was that it's a 47-story skyscraper that was not hit by an airplane on 9-11 that dropped 6.5 seconds for almost free-fall speed into its own footprint.

01:14:58.000 And we talked about all of the evidence for controlled explosive demolition in that building, including squibs that your listeners can see on our website on the upper right-hand corner, our website being AE911Truth.org.

01:15:18.000 Of course, that stands for Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.

01:15:24.000 Take a look at that evidence.

01:15:25.000 It's extraordinary.

01:15:28.000 By the way, I got into this twelve months ago when I heard David Ray Griffin on the radio and he was talking about the World Trade Center towers because the Court of Appeals in New York forced the city to release the oral histories of

01:15:50.000 A thousand first responders that were recorded on tape and held in secret by Giuliani and Blomberg.

01:15:59.000 Now, the reason they were holding this in secret is because 118 of these first responders were talking about explosions.

01:16:12.000 Very specific descriptions of explosions wrapping all the way around the building.

01:16:17.000 Near the point of the jet airliner impact.

01:16:21.000 And they talk about flashes of light occurring here and there in different ways.

01:16:29.000 118.

01:16:29.000 This is extraordinary evidence that can and will be taken to court.

01:16:34.000 Now, so Dr. Griffin was talking about all of this and I was stunned.

01:16:40.000 This was 12 months ago.

01:16:41.000 I had to pull over in my car and listen to the rest of this interview.

01:16:46.000 Which was played on KPFA radio, People's Radio here in the Bay Area.

01:16:51.000 Bonnie Falkner, her show, Guns and Butter.

01:16:56.000 It's extraordinary.

01:16:59.000 He talked about the beams that were ejected laterally 500 feet, individually dissected from each other, and ejected up to 500 feet, landing in the buildings beyond, across the street.

01:17:15.000 Hitting even building 47.

01:17:16.000 Excuse me, building 7.

01:17:19.000 And these beams are welded and bolted together in this moment-resisting frame.

01:17:25.000 Structural engineering term.

01:17:31.000 According to the official theory, if you were going to have a gravitational collapse, these beams would not be ejected outside the footprint in a 1,200-foot radius.

01:17:42.000 They would be stacked up.

01:17:44.000 Down below, in a fairly chaotic pile, but a pile nevertheless, we have 110 floors in each of the towers.

01:17:54.000 They're composed of 4 and 5 inch thick concrete.

01:17:58.000 This material is not found at the bottom of either tower.

01:18:03.000 What we have is, the debris field is spread out over this entire area of the World Trade Center Right.

01:18:14.000 So, it's quite unbelievable, the official story, because the guy in fact who brought these trusses, that's the forts, the floors, he looked for them because he was hired to do the demolition work, he couldn't find any of them.

01:18:31.000 No floor trusses, no microscopic chunks of concrete.

01:18:36.000 It's quite amazing.

01:18:37.000 Stay there, stay there.

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01:24:11.000 And they're having big conferences.

01:24:12.000 They're going all over North America and all over the planet.

01:24:15.000 And the word is spreading and people are looking at the scientific evidence.

01:24:19.000 What you were on a few weeks ago with us, Richard, and what percentage of you said the vast majority of your colleagues that when you do show an engineer or an architect the evidence, they're converted because they understand the basic mathematics and the basic engineering?

01:24:34.000 What percentage was it, Richard?

01:24:37.000 Average about 70%, but one firm I went to, there are 15 architects there, virtually all of them agreed with me and signed on to our website.

01:24:48.000 And one couldn't because he had a Middle Eastern name and he was concerned.

01:24:54.000 The other firm I went to, we had 38 show up, and we had about half of those.

01:25:00.000 So it seems to vary, but I only gave the building 7 Information then and I think people are more emotionally tied to the Twin Towers so I'll start with the Twin Towers I think from now on at the Architects.

01:25:13.000 We're going to try to hit one architecture firm every other week now and until we reach all of them.

01:25:21.000 And in addition to that I will be speaking around the country.

01:25:26.000 I'm going to New York the week of 9-11.

01:25:29.000 And I'm very excited to be speaking the day after that with Stephen Jones and Kevin Ryan in Indiana on September 10th.

01:25:38.000 Then I come back to Oakland at the Grand Lake Theater on September 11th itself.

01:25:45.000 And we go down to Santa Cruz September 15th, and it just goes on and on.

01:25:52.000 Oh, and we'll be in Cambridge, Massachusetts, hopefully at MIT or Harvard on December 15th.

01:25:59.000 And we talked about coming to Austin as well, your neck of the woods.

01:26:05.000 It's pretty exciting.

01:26:07.000 So regarding the continued points that I want to make, 18 of them, I've got about 10 more to make just on World Trade Center 1 and 2 alone.

01:26:20.000 What we have at the Below the ensuing onset of destruction, which we talked about was explosive and fast, and then, they said, the top of the towers started coming down.

01:26:35.000 It wasn't that the top of the towers came down and then it was squirting out of these building materials.

01:26:43.000 It's very, very different from that.

01:26:45.000 So what we have, 20 floors or 40 floors down below this wave of collapse, If you will, in quotation marks, destruction, really, is squibs, or explosive ejections of pulverized building material.

01:27:00.000 And they occur precisely at the midpoint, interestingly enough, between the corners of the buildings, 20 and 40 floors down.

01:27:11.000 We don't just have squib points, what you're saying is they're at the exact points where you place the charges.

01:27:18.000 Well, it's curious, actually, because we don't know why these occur exactly at the midpoints.

01:27:25.000 We're doing some research to determine that.

01:27:27.000 The point is they're symmetrical.

01:27:29.000 They're not randomly coming out.

01:27:31.000 They have a symmetrical, planted look.

01:27:34.000 That's right.

01:27:35.000 And you wouldn't have that if the NIST theory, National Institute of Science Standards and Technology, gives us their theory that this pile driver, which is 20 to 40 stories High, depending on the tower we're talking about, is pushing down the structure, the air through the elevator shaft.

01:27:53.000 No, you have the squib, and then it starts collapsing.

01:27:58.000 Well, the squibs occur after the onset of the collapse.

01:28:03.000 But NIST is saying that it's a result of air being pushed down through the elevator shaft, which is ludicrous, because if that were the case, The air would fill the open office plan outside of the elevator shaft, and then it would kind of uniformly pressurize the space and blow out many windows.

01:28:20.000 Sure, stay there.

01:28:22.000 And I want to go back through the points you made last week, because we have, you know, different people tuning in right now.

01:28:28.000 Some of those first points we made, too, about the molten metal and the rest of it.

01:28:31.000 People need to hear all this put together.

01:28:34.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

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01:32:29.000 Okay, folks, I'm going to do this because I'm tired of it.

01:32:32.000 Amen.

01:32:33.000 You've heard Troy from West Virginia call in here to the network and say I better not go to New York or You know, it's not going to be good if I do, and you've heard him call into other talk shows here on the network and say he'd like to punch him in the nose and things like that.

01:32:51.000 And what he did is, we were calling Richard Gage to have him on.

01:32:55.000 And I don't appreciate people messing my show up.

01:32:57.000 And I don't appreciate deception.

01:32:59.000 And things that are very uncivil.

01:33:01.000 And I mean that in the meaning of civil.

01:33:04.000 It's one thing, we let Troy have the floor when he calls in here and makes fun of us.

01:33:08.000 We let Troy, you know, have his say.

01:33:12.000 But I knew it was him calling up saying, cuckoo, cuckoo, in the past.

01:33:15.000 I could recognize the voice.

01:33:16.000 I don't care.

01:33:17.000 That's funny. 0.96

01:33:18.000 Because it shows how cuckoo you are.

01:33:20.000 We're talking about life and death issues.

01:33:22.000 I'm looking at the end of the country where I live.

01:33:25.000 I'm totally freaked out.

01:33:26.000 We got terrorists that blow buildings up in front of us that run the government.

01:33:30.000 We got the father of Reaganomics on talking about it.

01:33:33.000 And then you call up, and he admitted it to John Harmon in front of a witness on speakerphone because we call our I.D.

01:33:39.000 to him.

01:33:39.000 The main numbers don't have caller I.D.

01:33:41.000 The back line, you call the office, it does, Troy.

01:33:44.000 And Troy likes to call the extensions and make jokes and do things and he's admitted he's called in the past.

01:33:49.000 Well today he called up and he said, this is Richard Gage.

01:33:56.000 This is architect Richard Gage.

01:33:58.000 And so we went on air and then Richard Gage never got on and ended up getting on 15 minutes late because of that.

01:34:06.000 So, I'm going to give you the number of the car dealership.

01:34:08.000 You've heard Troy call in here before.

01:34:12.000 And he's the manager there, by the way.

01:34:14.000 When you ask the manager to get in, you need to ask for the owner of the car dealership and you need to explain that we don't like the prank phone calls and impersonating people to get on the radio here and messing up my show.

01:34:29.000 I don't think it's funny, Troy.

01:34:32.000 Okay?

01:34:33.000 Don't play games.

01:34:36.000 Now, you guys gave me that number quick during the break.

01:34:37.000 You were too busy giving me the story.

01:34:39.000 Read it back.

01:34:39.000 I want to make sure I give out the right number here on air.

01:34:42.000 Okay?

01:34:44.000 Uh-huh.

01:34:46.000 Now, what dealership is that?

01:34:48.000 Chevrolet.

01:34:49.000 I know he's called them before and bragged how rich he is and how he's a big manager at a car dealership.

01:34:55.000 He is.

01:34:56.000 It's in West Virginia.

01:34:59.000 And, uh, in fact, do a Google search on that number.

01:35:03.000 I want to find the name of the dealership.

01:35:05.000 I want to find out, oh, you're already doing it.

01:35:06.000 I want to find out who the owners are, and I want their owners called.

01:35:10.000 Politely.

01:35:11.000 Don't call up and threaten people like Troy does.

01:35:13.000 Don't call up impersonating people.

01:35:15.000 And I, let me tell you something, I will take civil action against you.

01:35:20.000 Troy, if you impersonate and you call in and screw my show up anymore and you call in back business hotline numbers that you're not supposed to even have and you impersonate people.

01:35:31.000 We're not calling up to your office impersonating people that you work with.

01:35:36.000 You know, I guarantee you, Troy would probably call the cops if we called in faking the name of a manager or something and messed up some car sale deal or something.

01:35:44.000 I mean, that's the same thing.

01:35:45.000 You're calling up a company, and you're impersonating people.

01:35:49.000 I'm sorry, Mr. Gage, you've got a hold for this.

01:35:52.000 But this is the type of stuff we deal with.

01:35:54.000 There's a lot of other stuff behind the scenes that other people do.

01:35:56.000 And I, frankly, am sick of it, and we're going after people that do this.

01:36:00.000 Okay?

01:36:01.000 Now, I want you to call this number in West Virginia.

01:36:04.000 Now, Troy, you've been calling in for a year. 0.99

01:36:05.000 We've let you shoot your mouth off.

01:36:07.000 We had your caller ID before, because you've been calling the office. 0.99

01:36:10.000 We didn't call and complain about your threats.

01:36:12.000 We don't care about that.

01:36:14.000 But what we don't like is you calling up impersonating people on my radio show, on back business lines, keeping us from getting a guest on.

01:36:23.000 And he did admit to John.

01:36:23.000 Okay?

01:36:25.000 John, just turn your mic on and come on air.

01:36:28.000 Okay.

01:36:29.000 What exactly did Troy, when he answered, say and do?

01:36:33.000 Well, I asked for the management, and I recognized his voice right away.

01:36:37.000 And I said, why are you calling into the Alex Jones Show and pranking us?

01:36:41.000 And he was just like, yeah, so?

01:36:43.000 Yeah, so I just repeated that over and over again.

01:36:47.000 And I ended up hanging up on him.

01:36:49.000 Okay, 304, call and let the ownership, whoever's above Troy, no, do not get involved in the inner activities of the GCN Radio Network, a corporation owned by Ted Anderson.

01:37:04.000 I mean, just get out of our business.

01:37:06.000 I mean, I've let him call in, I've put him in the front of the line, I've given him more time than anybody else when he's called in.

01:37:12.000 Okay?

01:37:15.000 But I'm not going to put up with you screwing up my show, Troy.

01:37:19.000 Go to their website.

01:37:20.000 Find out his full name.

01:37:21.000 You can find that out real quick on their website.

01:37:24.000 304-755-3801.

01:37:26.000 You crossed a line, little boy.

01:37:30.000 Turnpike Chevrolet.

01:37:34.000 Nitro, West Virginia.

01:37:36.000 Turnpike Chevrolet, Nitro, West Virginia, 304-755-8301.

01:37:44.000 You call him up, we don't appreciate him calling in to our company and impersonating people on business lines, back lines, hot lines, to get on air and prank call this radio show.

01:37:57.000 By the way, in many states, prank calls that are malicious are felonies.

01:38:01.000 By the way, go Google, prank call felony, pull up laws on West Virginia.

01:38:06.000 He also did it in the state of Minnesota and Texas.

01:38:11.000 304-755-8301.

01:38:14.000 And go to their website.

01:38:15.000 I want his full name on air.

01:38:17.000 Look, just don't... You people don't know when to quit pushing.

01:38:21.000 Alright, I apologize to Richard Gage.

01:38:23.000 Richard, you got the floor.

01:38:24.000 Go through your points.

01:38:25.000 I'm sorry.

01:38:26.000 Okay, Alex.

01:38:27.000 That's why we didn't have you on until 15 after for us to figure out what had gone on.

01:38:31.000 Gotcha.

01:38:32.000 Go ahead.

01:38:35.000 Back to the Twin Towers anyway.

01:38:39.000 These squibs are also explosive velocity at 100 to 200 feet per second.

01:38:47.000 This is not the rate of air moving through a window.

01:38:52.000 You can calculate it, it's on the video.

01:38:55.000 So then we go to this incredible pulverization of all of these building materials.

01:39:01.000 Let's talk about the concrete.

01:39:03.000 There's 90,000 tons of concrete in each building.

01:39:06.000 I already mentioned that they're not found at the bottom in any kind of a pile.

01:39:12.000 It's not found at all.

01:39:13.000 There's no macroscopic chunks.

01:39:15.000 Where is it?

01:39:15.000 It's all in this incredible quantity of dust, ten times the volume of the building, that is spread out through lower Manhattan and drifted across the river to New Jersey.

01:39:28.000 We're talking about 10 to 100 micron particles.

01:39:31.000 This is powder.

01:39:32.000 Almost talcum powder, most of it.

01:39:35.000 Some gravel, certainly.

01:39:37.000 But this doesn't happen by any kind of a gravitational collapse.

01:39:42.000 Neither does the deposit of over 700 bone fragments, human bone fragments, found across the street on the top of the Deutsche Bank building.

01:39:53.000 Bone fragments that are only a half an inch long, maximum.

01:39:58.000 How, what kind of mechanism reduced these people, who apparently were murdered, clearly were murdered, apparently by some force, some people, I'm sure we'll get to, that apparently were not Al-Qaeda, because Al-Qaeda did not have access to these three buildings, which were almost as highly secure, or the next highest secure, to the Pentagon.

01:40:28.000 That's the pulverization of these, including file cabinets, by the way.

01:40:33.000 One million file cabinets estimated in these buildings.

01:40:37.000 There's none of them down at the bottom.

01:40:39.000 The fireman described the biggest piece of the telephone he found was a keypad about two or three inches.

01:40:47.000 Unbelievable vaporization, almost.

01:40:52.000 And I have some of this World Trade Center dust that was given to me.

01:40:56.000 By somebody who was in an apartment across the street from the World Trade Center.

01:41:00.000 And you can put a magnet over it and all of these tiny, tiny, tiny fragments of metal come up.

01:41:07.000 Yeah, the globulins that were discovered when he interviewed her and many others and got the samples, Dr. Stephen Jones.

01:41:14.000 Yeah, in fact, let me talk about that because Dr. Jones found in the World Trade Center dust perfectly round microspheres Uh, up to the size of a BB, most of them much smaller.

01:41:26.000 Where in the hell did these come from?

01:41:29.000 Uh, they're hollow, they're predominantly iron, as he did a chemical analysis, and, uh, they have all of the trace, uh, elements of a aluminothermic reaction, which is what thermite, or thermate, is.

01:41:46.000 Now, the, Dr. Jones found, uh, fluorine, uh, zinc, Manganese and several other components in the right chemical proportion that he concludes very clearly that this is indeed the byproduct of the aluminothermic reaction.

01:42:09.000 Well, let's talk about that.

01:42:10.000 If you were going to try to take a building down and blame it on the fact that fires produce weakness in the steel and therefore we have a gravitational collapse, You would start these charges, the placement of all of these charges, you would do it very quietly, which it turned out not very quiet, but much more quiet than RDX or C4, common explosives in controlled demolition.

01:42:38.000 Thermate is a cutter charge used by the military to cut through steel like a knife through butter.

01:42:45.000 So you'd place thousands of these at the column and beam connections, which is By the way, why they all appear in these photos and videos as being dissected from one another.

01:42:55.000 And then, the explosions apparently happened a fraction of a second later and atomized this molten iron, which is the byproduct of therming.

01:43:06.000 And so, in repeated scans, electron microscopes, microprobes, it shows the exact signature from multiple chain-of-custody controlled samples

01:43:18.000 From all over the country and even samples he got covertly through government sources that keep showing the same thing, the same signature, where you find these trace elements and trace chemicals and compounds and signatures that are never involved in the melting of steel unless you have these thermate accelerants which are also highly explosive involved.

01:43:38.000 And going back to before the last break, when I said that The squibs are preceding the explosions.

01:43:43.000 I know that the top's already exploding and collapsing, but I'm saying, as it continues to blow, I mean, you see explosions on the top, then it starts collapsing, and then well below it, as far as, in some cases, ten floors down, you then see them blowing it and atomizing it as it falls, almost like it was, you know, top-down, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:44:04.000 Do you see my point?

01:44:05.000 Oh yeah, yeah, no, that's an excellent point.

01:44:07.000 And I wanted to corroborate your other point, FEMA itself found these microspheres in the dust, and the USGS did the chemical analysis for them, and they showed perfectly round spheres too.

01:44:20.000 Well, this is how they used to make bullets in the Revolutionary War time.

01:44:24.000 They dropped molten lead off a very high, I don't know how high, and it went in a cliff or something, and it went into a vat of water to cool off.

01:44:34.000 And the surface tension forms with a molten metal, the perfect sphere, or nearly perfect.

01:44:41.000 So all of the evidence seems to point to controlled explosive demolition with the thermite as the cutter charge, and none of the evidence points to and supports the NIST theory.

01:44:58.000 Well, here's another point.

01:44:59.000 If you've got jet fuel with air injected with a bellows, burning at a maximum of 1800 degrees, And then you can't start really melting steel, even getting it soft, until 2750 plus.

01:45:13.000 If you have it in splattering spheres, we're talking about 33 or higher, how do you have 2500 plus degree temperatures a month later in molten pits below from fires that wouldn't even melt people who were standing there for 20 minutes waiting for help, supposedly by the hottest fires?

01:45:34.000 I mean, this is, it won't melt flesh, but it melts giant Yeah, in fact, John Gross, the head engineer of NIST, National, I mentioned NIST before, he actually claims verbally, and he's on record, and we have added in my presentation, there's no evidence of molten metal, and yet, so what are you guys talking about?

01:45:58.000 They have to deny it because there's no explanation for it.

01:46:02.000 As you mentioned, there's a thousand to two thousand degree difference In the temperature of office fires versus flowing molten metal.

01:46:10.000 And there's also a world of difference between just steel that you get to melt temp, where it oozes, and white hot splattering imperfect globulins.

01:46:18.000 I mean, we're talking liquefied.

01:46:21.000 Yeah, and it's not steel either.

01:46:22.000 It's molten iron, which is the direct byproduct of thermate.

01:46:27.000 So, I mean, there you have it.

01:46:30.000 Now back to They deny the molten metal completely, even though we have firemen on video saying it's flowing like lava.

01:46:44.000 And we have plenty of witnesses describing it, and we have the World Trade Center structural engineer, Leslie Robertson, describing it flowing molten metal.

01:46:55.000 There's also four different videos of it pouring out like a foundry, as the firemen say.

01:47:00.000 That's right, right out of the South Tower.

01:47:03.000 Uh, at the point of impact of the plane shortly before the collapse.

01:47:09.000 Well, it's clear.

01:47:11.000 For cutter charges, you know, just a few minutes before, right before it collapses, suddenly you see it pouring out of orifices, this yellow hot iron, the byproduct of the steel being melted, and then they have, you know, the classic explosives packed with that to then shatter it.

01:47:27.000 I mean, clearly, from the experts we've talked to on demolitions, they had both types of explosives, which we now have learned they do in a lot of demolitions.

01:47:35.000 Yeah.

01:47:35.000 And not only that, Dr. Jones found on the slag which was sticking to the steel, which was incorporated in a monument at Clarkston University, and this artist sent him this slag, he found that also it was predominantly iron.

01:47:52.000 Also, it had the exact, not exact, but likely proportions of fluorine, manganese, zinc, and barium, which are completely

01:48:05.000 By the way, in the top ten list under federal guidelines for arson investigators, state and federal arson investigators, in the top ten things they look for is arson by thermate or thermite, and we've now gotten the handbooks on this, it shows exactly how they look for those derivatives in steel from a melt, because it's one of the favorites of arsonists.

01:48:30.000 Well, and FEMA actually helps us corroborate this as well in their report, because they find evidence of intergranular melting, which again requires temperatures over 20 degrees.

01:48:41.000 And sulfidation!

01:48:43.000 Sulfidation, which is the sulfur deposits from the thermate, and rapid oxidation, which I don't completely understand, but I'm told is direct evidence of extremely hot temperatures not found in any office fires.

01:48:58.000 So FEMA hands it to us on a silver platter, and what does NIST do with this information?

01:49:03.000 They completely bury it in their follow-up interview, or follow-up report.

01:49:08.000 Alright, stay there.

01:49:09.000 Richard Gage, I want to come back, I want to rock it through the other points you haven't gotten to yet.

01:49:13.000 There's so many in this giant mountain of smoking guns.

01:49:16.000 And then in the next hour, you want to talk about 9-11, you want to talk about the collapse of the towers.

01:49:20.000 Well, you can talk to Richard Gage, a just amazing individual, really having a great effect, actively spending many hours a week going out just in California alone, visiting with all the major architecture and engineering firms, and converting around 70% of those he comes in contact with, with the basic science.

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01:53:30.000 All right. .

01:53:33.000 Going back to Richard Gage, continuing with your point, sir.

01:53:37.000 Alright.

01:53:39.000 Well, we left off with this incredible concrete powder, but The amazing thing about this is that the dust expands at this incredible rate through this pyroclastic flow, and only a tremendous amount of heat can produce this.

01:54:00.000 Now there's only so much energy available in a gravitational collapse, so that energy can't go into all four of the following things.

01:54:10.000 It can't go into an amazing expansion of clouds, which Jim Hoffman in his amazing, his really exhaustive research site, 911research.com, goes into and says that basically we're looking at, I think it's 10 times the required amount of energy just to expand this I think it's 10 times the required amount of energy just to expand this cloud as is available

01:54:34.000 But in addition, the production of all of this molten metal, it can't produce that even, let alone all these things together.

01:54:41.000 Basically, it'd be like if somebody shot a cow with an 80mm howitzer and the cow was blown into a splattered mess over 500 yards.

01:54:51.000 And then the government told us that somebody shot the cow with a BB gun.

01:54:57.000 That's right.

01:54:58.000 And not only that, it's the amazing hurling of debris 500 feet.

01:55:06.000 That has an energy source as well.

01:55:09.000 And there's another one I'm neglecting that I can't think of right now.

01:55:18.000 So we go on.

01:55:19.000 Oh, crushing the 100,000 tons of intact structural steel It takes more energy than the gravitational, the kinetic available, gravitational available, it takes more than that.

01:55:38.000 So I'll slow down and think more clearly.

01:55:41.000 What we have is a free fall speed of collapse, meaning that the columns in the structures, in all three of these structures, gave virtually no resistance.

01:55:54.000 Structural engineers design these structures to resist not only the loads of wind and earthquake, but the gravity loads of the building itself, and the people, the occupants.

01:56:06.000 And this is completely ignored because of the free fall speed.

01:56:11.000 Those columns have to be removed a fraction of a second before the pile driver, if you will, up above, is pushing it down.

01:56:21.000 Now, in all the videos, in two to three to four seconds, You don't have a pile driver anymore.

01:56:26.000 It's disintegrating at the top, such that after that time, all you see, you don't see a pile driver pushing the building down.

01:56:33.000 There's no gravitational energy even available.

01:56:37.000 What you see is a series of explosions, like a belt around the building, creating this mushroom without any pile driver.

01:56:45.000 In fact, in one of the photos, many actually, in videos, you can see small portions of the core structure that managed to remain for a while.

01:56:55.000 They're not pushing anything down.

01:56:57.000 Everything is being blown up around these core structures.

01:57:02.000 Next, we have blast waves that blew up... You know what?

01:57:05.000 Stay there.

01:57:05.000 We got a break.

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01:58:02.000 Already into the third and final hour, Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth.org, architects and engineers for 9-11

01:58:26.000 Truth, hundreds and hundreds of members now, getting more and more every day and just exponentially growing as they go out and confront engineers and architects with the video evidence, with the diagrams, with the documents on Buildings 7, Tower 1, and 2.

01:58:40.000 And we're getting a 70% conversion rate.

01:58:44.000 Um, But before we get back into the final points on this and take calls, Richard, the individuals that carried this out, whoever really did this, whoever had access, who had the control of security to be able to stage this event, who had the motive, we know who it is, military-industrial complex, but you as an architect, as a scientist, you just, you know, in this study, you just look at this one area, and I understand that, you're just looking at the scientific facts and then people can politically do what they, you know, will with that political question.

01:59:13.000 I don't know, Alex.

01:59:13.000 what those results mean.

01:59:15.000 But the establishment, why do you think whoever did this thought they could get away with blowing up three buildings right in front of everyone, in front of firefighters and police to have huge molten slag running down the channel rails?

01:59:29.000 I mean, how could they do that?

01:59:31.000 Why did they think they could do that?

01:59:33.000 I don't know, Alex.

01:59:37.000 I know they had a purpose, though, because if you look at what happened after 9-11, We're talking about the invasion of two countries that placed the United States in preeminent global position to achieve militarily and the United States' major corporations to achieve economically.

02:00:01.000 So maybe you can fill in the gaps.

02:00:07.000 again.

02:00:08.000 But I mean, scientifically, the people doing it, why did they think engineers and physicists and scientists and architects would go along with it?

02:00:18.000 Well, they have.

02:00:19.000 I went along with it for four years.

02:00:22.000 I was a sleeping architect.

02:00:24.000 David Ray Griffin woke me up.

02:00:27.000 Here's the problem.

02:00:28.000 We look at an apple and we're told by our government that it's an orange.

02:00:33.000 And we just go into paralysis, mental, rational paralysis, after being shocked, you know, emotionally, by this incredible series of attacks on our country, on our people, on our iconic institutions and buildings.

02:00:50.000 And we're set up, I think, emotionally, to accept what's fed to us.

02:00:58.000 And they're experts that are backing the government story up, that produce $20 million three-year studies, which Jim Hoffman, by the way, calls the three-year $20 million cover-up of the crime of the century.

02:01:13.000 But then that's got to mean the people that are really compiling these reports, who are engineers in their own right, then they've got to consciously be knowing that they're covering up?

02:01:23.000 Yeah, that's pretty sad, isn't it?

02:01:26.000 And there's precedent for that with the Bush administration's science, which has been euphemistically called Bush science.

02:01:37.000 So I don't know what to say about the conscience of those scientists and engineers, but I'm not one of them.

02:01:46.000 And right now I have over 120 architects and engineers, and within a year we're going to have a thousand.

02:01:53.000 That's right.

02:01:54.000 You just started all of this pretty recently.

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02:02:00.000 It's growing like lightning.

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02:05:50.000 Richard Gage, founding member of American...

02:06:03.000 He's a member of the American Institute of Architects, founding member of AE911truth.org.

02:06:10.000 We're again very, very honored to have him on with us.

02:06:15.000 And, you know, this show is not about child's play.

02:06:18.000 It's not about jokes.

02:06:18.000 It's not about screwing around.

02:06:20.000 We take what we do here very, very serious.

02:06:23.000 Troy from West Virginia has called in for like a year.

02:06:26.000 It's been semi-entertainment.

02:06:27.000 Just to illustrate how mindless the people are that disagree with us.

02:06:33.000 His little petty threats and all the rest of it.

02:06:36.000 He called in on a hotline at the network on a separate business line that we use for the hotline for people to call.

02:06:42.000 Because the main 1-800 number doesn't have a caller ID.

02:06:45.000 But if you call the office lines that we use as hotlines, which are not public numbers by the way, there's a caller ID on it.

02:06:52.000 And so he called in, said he was the guest, got on the air, did his little prank call, and so I gave the number out a couple times, and one time I gave the prefix out incorrectly.

02:07:04.000 Have you called that number?

02:07:05.000 Call them and apologize to them.

02:07:07.000 They've got hundreds of calls.

02:07:09.000 Poor, nice company.

02:07:10.000 But they know who the other people are and gave the right number out.

02:07:13.000 Now, I did give it out right the two other times.

02:07:16.000 Just one time, I gave it out wrong.

02:07:18.000 Because frankly, I've got to stop working until 3 a.m.

02:07:21.000 It's just really getting bad.

02:07:21.000 every day.

02:07:24.000 Because my brain is not working as well as it was just a few months ago.

02:07:27.000 But I've got to finish endgame.

02:07:29.000 Uh, let me give you the number correctly, okay?

02:07:31.000 Just to make sure, because I gave it out three times, one time wrong.

02:07:34.000 It's 304-755-8301.

02:07:35.000 304-755-8301.

02:07:35.000 That is the, uh, he's the manager.

02:07:37.000 And we want to talk to the owners.

02:07:39.000 304-755-8301.

02:07:45.000 That is the, he's the manager.

02:07:49.000 And we want to talk to the owners.

02:07:52.000 We want to talk, be polite when you call.

02:07:54.000 And because, you know, the poor secretary answering the phone, people like that, they're not involved in all this.

02:07:59.000 It's the manager of a Chevy dealership in Nitro, West Virginia.

02:08:05.000 They're in the coal mining country. 0.96

02:08:06.000 A lot of good folks up there.

02:08:08.000 Uh, who, I mean, literally, man, I don't call up his work and impersonate myself as a manager or something on into the sales department and then start, you know, screwing up what they're doing.

02:08:20.000 I mean, this is serious business.

02:08:23.000 When you start pulling stuff like that.

02:08:30.000 304-755-8301 is correct.

02:08:32.000 What happened is I reversed the numbers on the last number.

02:08:37.000 Of those last four, I reversed it.

02:08:39.000 So, again, 304-755-8301.

02:08:43.000 Going back to our guest, Richard Gage.

02:08:48.000 Sir, please continue with the other smoking gun points, then we're going to go to some phone calls.

02:08:52.000 Okay, we talked about the concrete coming down.

02:08:59.000 What we didn't talk about yet is the blast wave that blew out windows for 400 feet all around the building.

02:09:08.000 That alone is also evidence that can stand up in a court of law, very scientific evidence.

02:09:17.000 So now, let's shift back to World Trade Center 7, Building 7, because we just briefly flew over that evidence.

02:09:30.000 And what we have is the building that I mentioned wasn't hit by an airplane, fell down symmetrically, straight down through the path of greatest resistance.

02:09:40.000 Now, buildings, when they do fail, and by the way, do buildings, Well, no steel frame high-rise building has ever failed due to fire, and we have a hundred examples, at least, in the world, where there's been very hot, very large, and very long-lasting fires.

02:10:03.000 And these have not failed.

02:10:08.000 And I want to give you a few examples of those.

02:10:11.000 Caracas, Venezuela.

02:10:12.000 A 56-story building burned for 17 hours over 26 floors.

02:10:18.000 And mind you, the fireproofing is only good for two to three hours in these buildings.

02:10:26.000 It fries after that.

02:10:28.000 It's useless.

02:10:29.000 And yet, these buildings do not fall down.

02:10:34.000 So, Los Angeles, First Interstate Bank, burned three and a half hours over five floors.

02:10:40.000 Philadelphia in 1991, the Meridian Plaza building, burned 18 hours over eight floors and yet on 9-11 we have three small fires and a lot of smoke in building seven and all of a sudden it comes down in six and a half seconds at virtually free fall speed right through the path of greatest resistance in a classic alignment of controlled demolition.

02:11:10.000 In the presentation which is on the two-hour video that you can look at On our website now, you'll see a side-by-side controlled demolition next to Building 7.

02:11:23.000 You'll see squibs which go off on the 40th through the 47th floor, synchronistically timed, 4 by 4.

02:11:33.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

02:11:36.000 Just in that timing, these black puffs of smoke in the upper right-hand corner You can see that on the flash video on the right side as soon as you log on to the website.

02:11:48.000 It's unbelievable.

02:11:49.000 These fires do not bring down high-rise buildings, ever.

02:11:56.000 And yet, what are the chances on 9-11 we have three high-rise buildings brought down by fire?

02:12:04.000 It's essentially a fire theory.

02:12:06.000 The fact that the plane hit the towers is irrelevant.

02:12:10.000 In terms of the hotness of the fire, in terms of the jet fuel itself, which doesn't burn more than 1,400 to 1,700 degrees, and NIST even claims that the impact of the jet itself in the twin towers did no lasting damage.

02:12:33.000 In fact, the building stood for 56 minutes and 102 minutes after the jet impact.

02:12:38.000 What they do say Is that the jet impacts with the kinetic energy of them knocked some of the fireproofing off?

02:12:46.000 Well, the jet hit one side of this building, and in the case of the South Tower, the corner.

02:12:53.000 It would only have knocked the fireproofing off where it hit.

02:12:57.000 And so we might have believed NIST if the building toppled in the direction of the weakness the fireproofing having protected.

02:13:10.000 Uh, until it was knocked off the, the, uh, the fire, the, the, uh, the steel.

02:13:16.000 And in the case of the South Tower, we did have such a toppling, but then you immediately begin to see that the South Tower, after it tips, being destroyed from the point of airplane impacts up, we would have expected this 40-story mass to continue falling at its angular momentum And fall all the way down to the ground.

02:13:39.000 This is a giant steel cage, but instead it blows up.

02:13:43.000 Oh yeah, it's completely disintegrated.

02:13:44.000 We don't see its mass down on the floor.

02:13:48.000 But I go back, I go back.

02:13:49.000 I mean, why do they do stuff so obvious right in front of us?

02:13:55.000 And we know it's only government and slash private corporations that have access to the buildings that could do this.

02:14:00.000 Why do they do stuff just so blatantly obvious?

02:14:05.000 I mean, they turned two 110-story buildings into ash in front of us!

02:14:09.000 Well, if you want the American people to align with you in invading a couple of countries in the Middle East, you're going to have to shock them into submission, if you will.

02:14:27.000 Well, yes sir, I agree with you on that, and we all understand what PNAC said and what they've done, but I mean, why? 0.98

02:14:34.000 They think we're so dumb. 0.97

02:14:35.000 Here's another example. 0.99

02:14:38.000 Iran is Shiite.

02:14:39.000 They're enemies of classical Al-Qaeda, where that imaginary supposed group comes from, but there are some real Wahhabist, you know, kookball sects out there. 1.00

02:14:48.000 I mean, there's a real Taliban. 0.61

02:14:49.000 Well, that's the same group out of Saudi Arabia.

02:14:52.000 Now, they are admittedly on U.S. payroll, admittedly being staged out of eastern Iraq into western Iran.

02:14:58.000 The White House admits, and they name the groups by name, which are admitted al-Qaeda, attacking Iran.

02:15:03.000 Then the media claims we've got to attack Iran because they're funding al-Qaeda in Iraq, when publicly our government's funding al-Qaeda to attack Iran.

02:15:11.000 But when you have both committee chairmen of the House and Senate Armed Services Committees who don't know the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni, I guess they know the general public has no connection to reality on any front.

02:15:24.000 But I just wonder if the public knows how dangerous that is to go through life not knowing anything!

02:15:29.000 I mean, we're in a war, folks!

02:15:31.000 We've lost 3,000 plus troops, really well over 12,000.

02:15:34.000 They don't count it if you die out of country after you've been wounded.

02:15:38.000 We're talking millions of dead Iraqis in the last 16, 17 years of sanctions.

02:15:44.000 700 plus thousand dead now.

02:15:45.000 A year and a half ago it was 600,000, just since the war started.

02:15:49.000 I mean, this is... and you don't even know where it is on a map?

02:15:51.000 You don't know who a Shiite or a Sunni is?

02:15:54.000 And we're about to go to war with Iran?

02:15:56.000 Listen, you better figure it out.

02:15:57.000 I mean, do you see what I'm saying, Richard?

02:15:59.000 Yeah.

02:15:59.000 No, I do.

02:16:00.000 I do. 0.99

02:16:01.000 I mean, how dumb do they think we are that they call Shiites Al-Qaeda? 1.00

02:16:06.000 I mean, that is just unbelievable! 1.00

02:16:08.000 That is simple!

02:16:10.000 That is not hard!

02:16:12.000 Well, I think there are a lot of Americans who really want to believe that the government is safe, and I was one of those, and I'm questioning everything at this point.

02:16:24.000 No.

02:16:25.000 But I mean, you're a smart guy, and it took you a while to wake up because somebody spurred your thought process.

02:16:31.000 You were trusting.

02:16:32.000 I think that's the key.

02:16:33.000 People are smart out there.

02:16:35.000 They're just trusting, and it's kind of like a rat in a rat maze, or a bird in a bird cage, or fish in a fish tank.

02:16:42.000 They don't question what's outside that contained world.

02:16:45.000 And I think what's happening now, Richard, is people are getting outside now that containment and just questioning.

02:16:51.000 And folks, let me tell you, you're going to find nightmares.

02:16:54.000 Believe me, it's always worse than I thought.

02:16:56.000 I mean, I cannot describe to you how bad it is.

02:16:59.000 And I think that's because we thought we were the land of the free and home of the brave for hundreds of years, and it gave evil a chance to grow like never before.

02:17:06.000 That's true.

02:17:07.000 Now, we're not alone.

02:17:09.000 The architects and engineers are not experts in controlled demolition.

02:17:14.000 So, we, just like NIST does, have their experts, we have ours.

02:17:19.000 I mean, we have the top European controlled demolition experts.

02:17:23.000 Let's talk about that when we get back, and I promise we're going to go to phone calls.

02:17:26.000 Stay there.

02:17:27.000 Richard Gage is our guest.

02:17:28.000 We're very honored to have him.

02:17:29.000 We appreciate him coming on the show, despite the antics.

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02:21:40.000 I was a highwayman.

02:21:49.000 Along the coach roads I did ride.

02:21:52.000 With sword and pistol by my side.

02:21:54.000 With sword and pistol by my side.

02:21:57.000 Many a young maid lost her marbles to my trade. 0.96

02:22:02.000 Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.

02:22:08.000 The bastards hung me in the spring of 25. 1.00

02:22:08.000 The bastards hummed me in the spring of twenty-five. 1.00

02:22:14.000 But I am still alive. 1.00

02:22:18.000 I was a sailor.

02:22:22.000 I was a sailor.

02:22:24.000 I was born upon the tide.

02:22:27.000 With the sea I did abide.

02:22:32.000 I sailed a school around the Horn of Mexico.

02:22:37.000 I went along to curl the mains a little blow.

02:22:44.000 And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed.

02:22:51.000 But I am living still.

02:22:53.000 I was a dam builder.

02:23:00.000 Across the river deep and wide.

02:23:03.000 Where steel and water didn't collide.

02:23:08.000 A place called Boulder.

02:23:10.000 A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado.

02:23:15.000 Oh man, Waylon Jennings.

02:23:16.000 A western fella to the wet concrete below.

02:23:19.000 I could listen to that voice all day, what about you?

02:23:21.000 They buried me in that gray tomb that knows no sound.

02:23:26.000 But I'm still around.

02:23:29.000 I'll always be around and around and around and around.

02:23:36.000 That's an amazing story about how they were freezing their hind ends off in New Mexico, about to fly into Texas.

02:23:41.000 And Buddy Holly and them were getting on the little plane.

02:23:47.000 There wasn't enough room for him. 0.93

02:23:48.000 And they said, we hope you freeze your butt off. 1.00

02:23:52.000 driving in that car, and he says, I hope you crash and die. 0.99

02:23:56.000 And he says he has nightmares about it to this day because they did crash and die.

02:24:00.000 So watch those portents or oaths or things you call out because there's a little more in this world than what you see on just the surface.

02:24:09.000 That's why it's very evil to make jokes about dead and dying.

02:24:13.000 It's very evil to make jokes about dying Iraqi children.

02:24:16.000 I am, in my soul, I am scared to be involved in evil.

02:24:23.000 I mean, just in my very makeup, I know what you do comes back on you and comes back on those you love.

02:24:29.000 In fact, that's how the universe works.

02:24:32.000 And for all these people that have gone along with 9-11 and you're trying to go along with killing this country right now, let me tell you, you don't have to worry about us and the Patriot or the Truth Movement.

02:24:40.000 You've got to worry about God.

02:24:41.000 That's who you've got a major problem with.

02:24:43.000 We're going to do a short segment, Richard.

02:24:45.000 I appreciate you being with us.

02:24:46.000 We're going to come back and go to the calls immediately.

02:24:48.000 But yeah, get into You guys have got top demolition experts, including the top guy in Europe.

02:24:55.000 Yeah, Danny Jowenko, he's extraordinary, because he says, oh yeah, this guy's 27 years in the demolition business.

02:25:04.000 It starts from below.

02:25:06.000 They've simply blown away the column.

02:25:08.000 This is a controlled demolition.

02:25:10.000 A team of experts did this.

02:25:12.000 It's professional work, without any doubt.

02:25:15.000 So we have the experts.

02:25:17.000 Here's Hugo Bachmann, Professor Emeritus and former Chairman of the Department of Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology.

02:25:27.000 He says, in my opinion, the building World Trade Center 7 was, with great probability, professionally demolished.

02:25:35.000 Then, over at the World Trade Center, we have two interesting gentlemen.

02:25:42.000 Van Romero, a top explosive Expert from New Mexico.

02:25:48.000 He says, uh, televised images of the attacks in the World Trade Center suggest that explosive devices caused the collapse of both towers.

02:25:56.000 Too methodical, he says, to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structure.

02:26:01.000 My opinion is based on the videotapes that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center towers, there were some explosive devices inside the building that caused the towers to collapse.

02:26:13.000 Then we have Mike Taylor, a demolition expert.

02:26:16.000 Uh, on the New Scientist, uh, 12 September, 01.

02:26:20.000 It looked like a classic controlled demolition.

02:26:24.000 He's from the National Association of Demolition Contractors.

02:26:27.000 We have Kevin Ryan, who found out about an internal report by Underwriting Laboratories that, uh, that FIRE couldn't have done what happened to, uh, Shevin.

02:26:35.000 That's a fascinating story because NIST themselves hired Underwriting Laboratories to build four, four different sections Emulating the construction of the World Trade Center.

02:26:48.000 Very expensive, huge secret test.

02:26:51.000 Oh yeah.

02:26:52.000 And guess what?

02:26:52.000 They put 2000 degrees of fire.

02:26:55.000 Well, way above what ever would be expected in a normal, typical office fire.

02:27:01.000 And this is for ASTM E119.

02:27:03.000 Stay there, finish that and we'll get back in calls.

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02:27:10.000 We will not stop you murdering terrorists.

02:27:13.000 Because we don't have a choice.

02:27:15.000 This is life and death.

02:27:17.000 Make no mistake, folks.

02:27:18.000 We face total tyranny.

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02:27:22.000 I talked to him off air.

02:27:23.000 He's completely upset.

02:27:25.000 And he knows the country's dying right now.

02:27:27.000 They're getting ready to make another move. 1.00

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02:27:33.000 We're on the march. 0.92

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02:30:42.000 While you were sleeping, they came and took it all away.

02:30:52.000 The lanes and the meadows, the places where you used to play.

02:31:04.000 It was an inside joke.

02:31:07.000 Kind of well-connected.

02:31:11.000 You're synesthetic.

02:31:15.000 So merrily receptive.

02:31:17.000 It was an inside joke.

02:31:21.000 Like it always is.

02:31:22.000 Chalk it up to a business as usual.

02:31:31.000 Yeah, I know it's hard to always live out in the light.

02:31:33.000 But we better do it, my friends.

02:31:38.000 George in Indiana.

02:31:40.000 Joe in Wisconsin.

02:31:43.000 Justin in Arizona.

02:31:44.000 Bob in Wisconsin.

02:31:45.000 Emily in Ohio.

02:31:47.000 We're going to get to all of you.

02:31:51.000 But before we go any further here with our guest, I haven't even plugged my films today.

02:31:58.000 I'll be quite frank with you.

02:32:00.000 I've been so upset by what's happening with the build-up to war with Iran, to the news in front of me, what's happening to our dollar, our precious currency.

02:32:08.000 I just can't believe how far they've already taken this country down the tubes.

02:32:12.000 And most people still don't know how far down we've gone.

02:32:16.000 And I am really upset.

02:32:17.000 This is where I live.

02:32:19.000 This is where I've got family.

02:32:20.000 It's where I've got roots.

02:32:22.000 There's really nowhere else to go.

02:32:24.000 I mean, America's still a great place.

02:32:27.000 I'm so angry at the New World Order for what they've done to my country and where I live, and what they've done to the name of my country.

02:32:37.000 What they've done... I just want to live a happy, peaceful life.

02:32:42.000 And I know that's what you want.

02:32:44.000 I never wanted to do what I'm doing.

02:32:46.000 Frankly, I've gotten to the point because I do it too much.

02:32:48.000 Kind of like if you love hot dogs but you're made to eat a hundred of them, you don't like them anymore.

02:32:52.000 I don't like doing this anymore, but I have to.

02:32:57.000 And I'm asking you, all of you, to stew up to the plate and get involved in the fight.

02:33:01.000 And I'm asking you to go to PrisonPlanet.tv and get a 15th Senate Day membership.

02:33:06.000 Why?

02:33:06.000 Because all 15 of my films, and now the 16th, Terrorist Form Special Edition, is out.

02:33:12.000 And because you can download them in super high quality.

02:33:14.000 I mean, it looks almost as good as television.

02:33:18.000 It's not as good, but it's almost as crisp.

02:33:21.000 Soon, it will look that good.

02:33:23.000 We could put it up there in a file where it looked as good as TV, but nobody could download it unless you got a T1 or something bigger.

02:33:32.000 So I want you to get a PrisonPlanet.TV membership and I want you to buy a big stack of discs.

02:33:38.000 Let's say you got a computer and you got a PrisonPlanet.TV membership.

02:33:40.000 It's easy to sign on, put your passcode in that you create.

02:33:43.000 It takes about a minute and a half to sign up.

02:33:46.000 Well, let's say you're like me and not that tech-savvy.

02:33:49.000 You know how to burn a music CD, because you learned 10 years ago, but you don't know how to burn a DVD or a CD.

02:33:54.000 Get your neighbors over, or go online.

02:33:57.000 It's easy.

02:33:57.000 There's little free programs you download, and then once you've downloaded it in the format off my site, in Flash or in Windows or in QuickTime, a bunch of different formats up there, you just click burn it, and it'll burn it to disk.

02:34:11.000 I mean, learn how to do it.

02:34:13.000 I get all these emails all the time.

02:34:14.000 I don't know how to burn them.

02:34:15.000 Could you burn a bunch of them and give them to us? 0.92

02:34:18.000 No, I can't. 0.56

02:34:19.000 I can't do it all, folks.

02:34:20.000 I literally am killing myself working as much as I am now.

02:34:26.000 So I'm just asking you, please get a PrisonPlanet.tv membership.

02:34:29.000 If you have one, go buy the disc today.

02:34:33.000 I mean, you can buy them like 50 cents a piece.

02:34:35.000 You know, the CDs, not the DVDs, but you can burn them on the CDs.

02:34:39.000 And it's high quality.

02:34:41.000 And I mean, just sit there while you're surfing the internet, or you know, while you're doing your bills, or whatever, and just be burning them in the background.

02:34:48.000 I mean, it takes four or five minutes to burn one of these on average.

02:34:51.000 You could, in an hour, every day, burn 20, 30, 40, 50 of them.

02:34:55.000 Depending on what kind of computer you got.

02:34:58.000 I don't care if you burn one a day, just get TerrorStorm out to people.

02:35:03.000 And the quickest and the cheapest way to do it is presentplanet.tv.

02:35:08.000 Now you can go to Google Video, we put it out for free too.

02:35:11.000 I still haven't made my money back on Terraform, and that's fine.

02:35:14.000 But the point is, is that you can go download it off Google Video.

02:35:19.000 It doesn't look good.

02:35:20.000 You know, it looks a little muddy.

02:35:22.000 It's better than nothing.

02:35:23.000 Burn that to disk.

02:35:24.000 You can do the download function right there.

02:35:28.000 But I suggest you go pay $5.95 a month so we get a little bit of support, but that's not even the main reason.

02:35:33.000 The main reason is you can go and burn my TV shows, hundreds of them, weekly TV reports, special video reports, my book, Paul Watson's book, print copies of, give them to people on disk as an e-book.

02:35:44.000 I mean, it's just thousands of pieces of media, PrisonPlanet.TV.

02:35:49.000 And the new film is there, and it's available right now at PrisonPlanet.TV.

02:35:56.000 Also, I told you about the late great USA becoming merger with Mexico and Canada with Dr. Jerome Corsi.

02:36:04.000 We've got some of those.

02:36:05.000 Be sure and get those at Infowars.com.

02:36:08.000 I've also gotten a report here that just came in.

02:36:11.000 I'm going to get this posted up on PrisonPlanet.com that Aaron Russo is in very bad shape and that he's basically broke and needs money for medical bills.

02:36:22.000 So we're going to get that posted.

02:36:23.000 Hopefully folks will support him.

02:36:25.000 I'm going to try to call him.

02:36:26.000 I tried to call him last week.

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02:38:03.000 Okay, I want to go to these loaded phone lines here, but you were finishing up a point, Mr. Gage, before we do that.

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02:38:10.000 Okay, I want to go to these loaded phone lines here, but you were finishing up a point, Mr. Gage, before we do that.

02:38:20.000 Well, I think we made that point earlier in that NIST hired UL to create these assemblies.

02:38:30.000 UL lit a 2,000 degree fire underneath, put twice the amount of known loading on top, and the fire did not fail the trusses.

02:38:39.000 These were exactly as built by the World Trade Center.

02:38:43.000 In fact, NIST turned around and said, oh, well, the sag was only 2 to 3 inches.

02:38:49.000 NIST claimed a 42 inch sag in these trusses, directly lying and betraying the The integrity of the tests themselves.

02:38:58.000 And that's never happened before, but let's say it did.

02:39:01.000 The building would just shag down into a pile and fall over sideways.

02:39:05.000 It wouldn't just perfectly boom, boom, boom, boom, boom and fall at free-fall speed.

02:39:10.000 That's right.

02:39:11.000 We made that point earlier.

02:39:13.000 So that's the point I wanted to make.

02:39:15.000 But the last point is NIST's overall objective.

02:39:20.000 Their stated objective was to determine how and why World Trade Center 1 and 2 collapsed and World Trade Center 7.

02:39:26.000 Listen to this.

02:39:27.000 They say in their... This is the scope of their work.

02:39:33.000 The focus of the investigation was on the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower.

02:39:41.000 For brevity in this report, the sequence is referred to as the probable collapse sequence.

02:39:46.000 Although it does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached, And collapse became, they say, inevitable.

02:39:58.000 So, first of all, they make this incredible assumption that this ensuing grand collapse occurs, and of course it would occur.

02:40:06.000 It's inevitable.

02:40:07.000 But they have no justification whatsoever in this 10,000 page report.

02:40:13.000 They have one and a half pages on this ridiculous assumption, because there's never ever been a collapse of the steel frame structure, a total collapse based on some initiating event.

02:40:26.000 I agree.

02:40:27.000 Let's jump to some calls here.

02:40:29.000 George in Indiana, you're on the air.

02:40:31.000 Go ahead.

02:40:32.000 Alex, before I finish, don't hang up, I have a question for you.

02:40:32.000 Great.

02:40:35.000 But that Shilazine, I've been on it for about a month. 0.59

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02:40:41.000 It was down to around 230 six months ago.

02:40:44.000 It's 110.

02:40:45.000 I about fell out of my chair.

02:40:46.000 So I don't know if that's the Shilazine doing it, but Well, really what it is is a bunch of different minerals and it's formed, you know, dug out of alluvial deposits in the Himalayas from when that was an ancient sea.

02:40:59.000 And so I don't know how to, it's also got like biological elements in it from different little microorganism plants that grow.

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02:41:16.000 Yeah, well, I'm hooked on it.

02:41:17.000 Now, here's what I wanted to mention.

02:41:19.000 A friend and I got together and we worked out odds of probability on all of this.

02:41:23.000 And we figure as a control number, we don't have a control number because it's never happened.

02:41:28.000 So we picked a hundred to one chance that a plane would fly into a building, cause it to collapse, something we've never experienced on this planet.

02:41:36.000 Then we figured a thousand to one for a second plane on the same day to go into another building and cause it to collapse.

02:41:43.000 Then the third building, we had to give it a number of 10,000 to 1 because it's also going to fall by fire with no plane hitting it in free fall.

02:41:52.000 You multiply those threes together, you have one billion to one odd if this could ever happen.

02:41:57.000 But then calculate in the chances that the government would be running a drill, applying hijacked jets into the very same targets at the exact same time, which they were doing in reality, and on 7-7, and it comes into numbers that are hard for me to even pronounce.

02:42:13.000 Oh, they would extend right on out to the end of the universe.

02:42:16.000 All eight engines on those planes were never found.

02:42:20.000 I sent you a picture this morning of an engine, a crashed plane, where the engine lay right next to a car.

02:42:28.000 This engine is twice the size of this car, in complete... Well, in all fairness, they did found an internal part of a jet engine there, or what appeared to be, but... Well, I could pick it up, put it in my truck.

02:42:39.000 This thing, you couldn't... Oh, yeah, that little bitty thing, I remember, yeah.

02:42:41.000 Yeah, so that's all... So the whole idea of this is just Unbelievable to me.

02:42:47.000 One question.

02:42:48.000 Have you heard of Benjamin Fulford?

02:42:50.000 What do you think?

02:42:52.000 I've never heard of Benjamin Fulford.

02:42:54.000 Refresh my memory.

02:42:55.000 Well, Alex, if you go to Reese.com you can read about it.

02:42:59.000 This guy wrote for Forbes Magazine.

02:43:02.000 I know all about it.

02:43:03.000 I actually heard the interview.

02:43:04.000 It's the whole thing that the Chinese mafia is going to save us. 0.97

02:43:08.000 Yeah, listen, I'm going to get the guy on.

02:43:11.000 I've been saying I want to get him on for weeks.

02:43:14.000 We need to call Jeff up and get his number and get that guy on.

02:43:18.000 I think he believes it.

02:43:22.000 I'll just leave it at that.

02:43:23.000 I know there are members of the elite structures in the world that don't like what the globalists are doing, so I don't say that's not true.

02:43:29.000 I just, it's gotten a lot of attention, which is fine and dandy, and we're going to get on it.

02:43:34.000 So you'll definitely hear that here.

02:43:36.000 Okay, let's go ahead and talk to Joe in Wisconsin.

02:43:39.000 You're on the air.

02:43:41.000 Hello!

02:43:41.000 Hey, for the guest.

02:43:42.000 Has anyone taken a look at the economic reasons for having Twin Towers collapse?

02:43:49.000 Like the last minute insurance policy changes and how they collected twice on it?

02:43:54.000 And some of the reactions from people in New York.

02:43:57.000 I mean, why wasn't Giuliani concerned for himself?

02:44:00.000 Why didn't he say, oh my God, I was supposed to be in that building?

02:44:04.000 Or Silverstein and his indignation.

02:44:06.000 How could he use my buildings to do this?

02:44:09.000 I mean, the reactions just don't add up.

02:44:11.000 And then even the Pentagon having their audit records destroyed miraculously.

02:44:16.000 Well, and then the media uses this to debunk us, and I appreciate your call, Joe.

02:44:19.000 They say, well, is it about Iraq?

02:44:21.000 Is it about weapons sales?

02:44:22.000 Is it about a domestic police state?

02:44:25.000 Is it about seven million in insurance payouts?

02:44:27.000 Is it about Anything the globalists do, they do in a cost-benefit analysis, then they cluster events around one big operation they do, and they do a bunch of stuff while that happens.

02:44:37.000 You know, two days after they brought China into the World Trade Organization.

02:44:42.000 A bunch of things happened.

02:44:43.000 Do you want to comment on that, Mr. Gage?

02:44:47.000 No, I don't have a comment, but there are plenty of economic benefits, so I'll certainly agree to that.

02:44:52.000 Yeah, but the media implies to the public that it has to only be one thing or the other.

02:44:56.000 No, this is cost-benefit analysis.

02:44:59.000 Yeah, that makes sense, Al.

02:45:00.000 Let's talk to Justin in Arizona.

02:45:02.000 You're on the air with Richard Gage.

02:45:03.000 Go ahead.

02:45:04.000 Hey, from Tucson, guys.

02:45:05.000 Three quick things.

02:45:06.000 First, I think I have a phrase that's a little more effective than 9-11 was an inside job when we're standing out with our signs, and that is Jumbo jets cannot demolish skyscrapers.

02:45:16.000 It seems to get under the radar.

02:45:17.000 Well, it wasn't a jumbo jet anyway, so... Well, jets cannot demolish skyscrapers. 0.97

02:45:22.000 You know, it's just ridiculous.

02:45:23.000 People would say, duh, if you told them... Well, have you heard the analogy of a lumberjack hits a tree and it turns into sawdust? 0.78

02:45:32.000 Yeah, I like that analogy.

02:45:33.000 That's a great analogy, because you have the complete dismemberment of the structure, you have pulverized dust down to 10 microns, Let's say a lumberjack swings and hits a big oak tree, and not only does the one whack cut the tree down, it chops it into sawdust.

02:45:53.000 Very efficient.

02:45:54.000 We've got to hire that lumberjack. 1.00

02:45:58.000 Oh, man.

02:45:59.000 Well, we gotta know this, folks.

02:46:00.000 Anybody that would carry out an attack like this will do it again with no qualms.

02:46:04.000 And look what the administration's saying.

02:46:07.000 They're gonna hit us.

02:46:07.000 Al-Qaeda's back.

02:46:08.000 Al-Qaeda's built the pre-911 levels. 0.90

02:46:11.000 You haven't given up all your rights, so Al-Qaeda's gonna get you. 1.00

02:46:15.000 Does that sound good to you, Richard Gage?

02:46:19.000 No, I don't want to live in such a country.

02:46:22.000 Yeah, I want to go back to feeling a little bit of security.

02:46:24.000 You know, they tell me, oh, they'd be afraid of Al-Qaeda.

02:46:27.000 I mean, let's say Al-Qaeda was real, which it isn't.

02:46:29.000 I'm a lot more concerned about this government.

02:46:31.000 I mean, my goodness!

02:46:33.000 Do any of you feel secure with these people running things?

02:46:36.000 And think about my shoes!

02:46:37.000 I'm out here fighting them!

02:46:38.000 Richard, I mean, I know you had to do some gut-checking before you did this.

02:46:42.000 When did you finally... You said you woke up two years ago, three years ago.

02:46:46.000 I mean, how long did it take you to finally go public a few months ago?

02:46:48.000 When did you finally make the plunge?

02:46:50.000 It was a year ago that I heard David Ray Griffin's And it took me nine months of researching to get to the point where we firmly decided to go forward with the website.

02:47:04.000 We had a temporary website up for a while.

02:47:06.000 I finally got some time and some backing from an incredible series of gentlemen that are helping me.

02:47:16.000 I can't.

02:47:18.000 We're just rocketing.

02:47:20.000 We're rocketing.

02:47:20.000 I'm like you.

02:47:22.000 I'm working now, I don't know, a hundred hours a week.

02:47:30.000 It's two full-time jobs plus.

02:47:32.000 In other words, I've got a family, I've got a wife, I've got a kid, and I've got lots of responsibilities besides these two full-time jobs.

02:47:41.000 It's tough.

02:47:42.000 I hear you.

02:47:44.000 I'd much rather be living in peace, as you suggest.

02:47:51.000 I don't want to do this.

02:47:53.000 I wasn't made for this.

02:47:55.000 I mean, I'm not a great speaker.

02:47:57.000 I'm not a great architect.

02:48:00.000 I get confused with my words and my thoughts sometimes.

02:48:04.000 And surely there's somebody else, some other architect or engineer out there, He wants to step forward and be the spokesman because I'm looking for lots of help. 0.92

02:48:14.000 Oh, that's ridiculous.

02:48:15.000 You're an excellent, very well spoken, that's why people are resonating with your message and 120 plus members who are architects and engineers and thousands of others supporting you. 0.86

02:48:24.000 And you know, leadership, that's who we need as leaders, not those that want it, but those that it literally is thrust upon.

02:48:30.000 And you're a leader, Richard Gage, you've taken action.

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02:48:37.000 We'll be right back with a few final calls.

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02:53:08.000 Emily in Ohio, you're on the air with Richard Gage.

02:53:10.000 Go ahead.

02:53:11.000 Hey, Alex.

02:53:12.000 Remember me, your little info warrior down in Charleston, Ohio? - Hello.

02:53:17.000 I do remember you, yes.

02:53:18.000 Okay, well I plan on trying to come up to New York and see you on September 11th.

02:53:23.000 And, um, me and my mom were talking with some people yesterday and we heard this thing about that when they have martial law come in, they shut down Walmarts for two hours and then they turn it into like a concentration camp.

02:53:37.000 Did you hear this on mainstream radio?

02:53:39.000 I might have, me and my wife have... Well, no, I mean, Walmart is involved.

02:53:43.000 I remember hearing this 15 years ago, I didn't believe it.

02:53:45.000 But I've known for about 10 years, they're involved in continuity of government, and they are going to use them as holding facilities and mass inoculation forced drugging centers.

02:53:55.000 Alright, that's what I wanted to talk about.

02:53:57.000 They are working with the government, and remember the smallpox shot?

02:54:00.000 They were going to make the cops and firemen take it, but they literally, 99.9% L.A.

02:54:05.000 Times reported refused, and Walmart was going to be involved in staging areas in that.

02:54:10.000 Very, very wicked.

02:54:11.000 Look, most of these big companies aren't real companies.

02:54:13.000 They're government fronts.

02:54:15.000 Microsoft, IBM, Walmart, pure New World Order.

02:54:18.000 You want to comment on that, Richard Gage?

02:54:20.000 I don't know about Walmart and those guys.

02:54:24.000 I do not know.

02:54:26.000 I can't research everything.

02:54:27.000 I understand you, but we try.

02:54:28.000 Believe me, you can't.

02:54:29.000 Okay, hey listen, call me back later if you want to tell me more, Emily.

02:54:32.000 I appreciate your call.

02:54:34.000 Let's talk to Bob in Wisconsin.

02:54:36.000 Bob, go ahead.

02:54:39.000 Okay, Bob's not there.

02:54:41.000 Let's talk to Dale in Arkansas.

02:54:42.000 Dale, you're on the air.

02:54:47.000 Okay, we're not going to go to Dale.

02:54:48.000 Ted in Texas, you're on the air.

02:54:49.000 Go ahead.

02:54:51.000 Alex, how are you doing today?

02:54:52.000 Good, go ahead.

02:54:53.000 Last caller.

02:54:54.000 It's very interesting.

02:54:55.000 She talked about Walmart closing at an interesting time.

02:54:58.000 I really wanted to let you know that a guy called into Jack Blood the other day that he was very concerned.

02:55:04.000 He works at Giuliani and Associates in New York.

02:55:07.000 It's going to be closed on August 21st and 22nd for 48 hours.

02:55:11.000 Complete power down and everything.

02:55:13.000 He was very concerned.

02:55:14.000 He was very alarmed and I noticed that time coincided with the dog days of August.

02:55:21.000 Yeah, I've been hearing a lot of talk about that and there's some San Diego groups out saying that.

02:55:26.000 We'll see.

02:55:27.000 It seems like every month there's a new date.

02:55:29.000 You know, we're going to attack Iran on this day. 1.00

02:55:31.000 It's going to be an attack on that day.

02:55:33.000 The New World Order will strike when you least expect it.

02:55:37.000 That's what they continue to do.

02:55:38.000 But yeah, they do want to go into Iran, and that is a prime time for it, so we'll watch that. 0.96

02:55:43.000 Thank you.

02:55:43.000 Richard Gage, we're going to have you back up soon.

02:55:46.000 I appreciate you spending time with us, and I want to encourage other architects and engineers to check out the organization, AE911Truth.org.

02:55:53.000 Thank you, my friend.

02:55:54.000 You're very welcome, Alex.

02:55:56.000 Appreciate it.

02:55:57.000 Thank you.

02:55:57.000 We'll talk to you soon.

02:55:59.000 I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight, here on the network, on the satellites, and the AM and FM dial.

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02:56:06.000 The show's about to re-kick off all the antics and bloopers of today.

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02:56:15.000 Be sure and join me.

02:56:17.000 God bless you all.

02:56:18.000 Thank you all as well.

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Alex Jones Show - July 20, 2007

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