Alex Jones Show - 20070830_Griffith_Alex

00:00:01.000 You want answers?

00:00:02.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:03.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:08.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:14.000 There's a lot of editing going on, editing in the Matrix.

00:00:18.000 We know Bush has bought billions and billions of fake news and thousands of reporters out pushing a police state martial law, telling us how good it is to have police in black uniforms arresting reporters coast to coast.

00:00:30.000 A new age of darkness is upon us.

00:00:32.000 Hillary and Chuckie and all of them have been voting for it while criticizing their scapegoat, Alberto Gonzalez.

00:00:38.000 A unified front of tyranny upon the people.

00:00:41.000 Virgil Griffith is the amazing individual who's gotten so much attention because of the open source nature of Wikipedia.

00:00:49.000 He was able to craft a program and a wiki scanner.

00:00:53.000 We've been hearing so much about the last three weeks since this broke.

00:00:56.000 And headlines, see who's editing Wikipedia, Diebold, the CIA, and campaigns.

00:01:03.000 And it goes on from there, and we've been doing wiki scans and finding out all the government agencies and people that have been in there foxing and messing with the postings about me, or just out of hand deleting them.

00:01:14.000 Hundreds of pages about my films and works we've done, just gone forever.

00:01:19.000 Oh, it's a sure thing.

00:01:19.000 did, just vandalizing information.

00:01:21.000 It's so much fun.

00:01:21.000 But now they're not doing it without the spotlight on them.

00:01:25.000 So with us in the rest of this segment into the next segment is Virgil Griffith.

00:01:29.000 Virgil, I really want to thank you for what you've done.

00:01:31.000 Oh, it's a sure thing.

00:01:34.000 It's a pleasure to be here.

00:01:36.000 You're a Caltech graduate student.

00:01:39.000 When did you think up this idea?

00:01:40.000 How long did it take you to craft this wondrous application?

00:01:44.000 Well, I thought of the idea actually about a year ago.

00:01:47.000 And this was when some Wikipedians caught Congressmen whitewashing their own pages.

00:01:55.000 And so I think, hey, if they can do this manually, I can do this for all of Wikipedia.

00:02:02.000 But unfortunately, I was always busy then, so I sat on the idea.

00:02:06.000 for about six months.

00:02:07.000 But of the summer, I had time, so here it is.

00:02:12.000 When you finally got it built and tested, what was it like to see the incredible results you were getting?

00:02:19.000 Oh, it was wonderful.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, that's all I can say.

00:02:24.000 I quickly saw that it would be a bad idea if there was any sort of system on my website where people could rate how juicy the edits were because they'll probably get you sued.

00:02:39.000 So I was very happy when Wired Magazine stepped in and they offered to do that for me.

00:02:46.000 So that way I could stand back and be objective, and I could just say, oh look, I just provide the tool and whatever people do with it, well that's up to them.

00:02:57.000 Well, I'm asking my listeners to go in and use this and make submissions to our PrisonPlanet.com form.

00:03:03.000 We're going to create a section there, and everybody should do this.

00:03:07.000 We should learn how the crannies of the web work.

00:03:09.000 We should investigate what's happening.

00:03:11.000 Now, back, what, last year when there were allegations of congressmen manipulating it, they denied it and called it a conspiracy theory, but now your scanners confirmed a lot of that.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, it's certainly true.

00:03:23.000 I mean, if you want to, you can go search right now and you can see tons of them.

00:03:27.000 It's quite glorious.

00:03:30.000 To be completely fair to them, it does not necessarily mean that they or their staff made it, but we do know that it came from someone within the congressional computer network.

00:03:42.000 Yeah, because it's the IP address.

00:03:43.000 Explain to people out there how that works.

00:03:46.000 Okay, well, let's see.

00:03:49.000 I'll back up.

00:03:49.000 In short, when you make a Wikipedia edit, there are two things you can do.

00:03:54.000 Number one, you can edit and leave your name, or you can edit anonymously.

00:03:58.000 But when you edit anonymously, it leaves a number there to identify your computer, and that is just for convenience.

00:04:05.000 So I took that, and I combined two databases.

00:04:12.000 The first one was where all the edits were from Wikipedia.

00:04:15.000 Well, all the anonymous edits.

00:04:16.000 And the second one were which numbers were owned by various companies.

00:04:21.000 And then you just could combine them together.

00:04:22.000 And that's relatively simple, isn't it?

00:04:25.000 It's actually very simple.

00:04:27.000 The entire project took... Well, once I had the idea and actually working on it, the entire project took me two weeks.

00:04:34.000 Stay there, my friend.

00:04:36.000 This is just incredible.

00:04:38.000 Another example of how whatever they do for tyranny's sake, we have independent freedom lovers out there that are sabotaging them every step of the way. 1.00

00:04:47.000 We'll be right back with Virgil Griffith.

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00:07:59.000 If you go up to Infowars.com and prisonpundit.com, you can link over to the Wired Magazine that's kind of teamed up with Caltech graduate student Virgil Riveth, who built a search tool that traces IP addresses of those who make Wikipedia changes.

00:08:16.000 And you can go through at the wiki Scanner, and then you can even submit stuff to Wired.

00:08:22.000 We're asking people to do that on our message board at PrisonPlanet.com as well, just to show what they're doing for the truth movement, the 9-11 truth movement, the anti-war movement, and even looking on Wired, the thousands of submissions that have been made there on Wikiscans, because you still need human intelligence to really look at this and pick out what we think is most interesting.

00:08:41.000 It's CIA, it's American Airlines going in and saying 9-11 didn't happen on a page.

00:08:45.000 I mean, it's just...

00:08:47.000 It's anti-war groups getting removed.

00:08:50.000 It's Republicans vandalizing Cindy Sheehan.

00:08:54.000 I mean, it just goes... You have opened a Pandora's box here, and as you said earlier, I mean, I couldn't do this, but for a programmer like yourself, it's a pretty simple application.

00:09:04.000 Has this been cloned yet?

00:09:06.000 No, it has not.

00:09:08.000 And I said the reason because of this is because the database that connects IP ranges to companies usually costs money.

00:09:16.000 And in my case, I asked very nicely, and it would be for free.

00:09:21.000 But, so yeah.

00:09:22.000 So I said the reason they haven't done it is because getting that database usually costs like, what, $1,000 or so?

00:09:28.000 So I could go out, get a good programmer like yourself, pay 1,000 smackers, and create a clone?

00:09:33.000 Yes.

00:09:33.000 Well, I think this is such an important thing you've done in case your site went down or something.

00:09:38.000 I think there should be clones.

00:09:39.000 Do you agree with that statement?

00:09:40.000 Yes.

00:09:42.000 I'm very pleased because the Wikimedia Foundation, the people who own Wikipedia, they actually agree.

00:09:46.000 And they're talking about incorporating something like Wikiscanner into the main code base.

00:09:55.000 Well, there are comments on our message board right now in defense of Wikipedia, and I've gotten mad at them because they've let little trolls who have administration power delete hundreds of pages of serious material that other people put up that I happen to be mentioned in.

00:10:08.000 And they're just vandalizing everything, and on their pages they snicker and laugh and admit it's politically motivated and worship George Bush and his fascism.

00:10:19.000 And the people that were posting my material and other important stuff and research we'd done, they were doing it very dryly in the proper format of Wikipedia.

00:10:28.000 And so I'm mad at Wikipedia about that, but I want to make this clear.

00:10:32.000 The same manipulation of information, the same failures of information, the same spinning of info is in Webster's dictionary.

00:10:42.000 It's in Encyclopedia Britannica.

00:10:44.000 It's just now, because this is open source, and people are now looking at it, we're able to see manipulation that's always been there in other formats.

00:10:51.000 Would you agree with that statement?

00:10:53.000 Yeah, I would.

00:10:55.000 Now, I know you're not going to make value judgments on this because you're just dryly putting out this technology, but just randomly then, what are some of the points of interest for you?

00:11:06.000 I mean, when you were first there looking at this and seeing who was going in and changing the encyclopedia, who was removing stuff about themselves, who was adding things?

00:11:17.000 My favorite ones were actually from the media themselves.

00:11:20.000 So, the first ones I looked at were the New York Times, Fox News, and Al Jazeera.

00:11:24.000 So those are very nice.

00:11:26.000 My favorite one, actually, I was very surprised the New York Times actually published this in their newspaper. 1.00

00:11:30.000 The New York Times actually added the phrase, jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk, to George Bush's webpage. 1.00

00:11:35.000 So that was very nice. 1.00

00:11:37.000 And they also changed, they changed on Condoleezza Rice's page, they changed that she was a concert pianist to a concert penis. 0.98

00:11:45.000 So those were very special. 0.79

00:11:49.000 But see, those are petty, so that's why they advertise it like it was some employee doing it.

00:11:53.000 The more serious stuff, and I know you're not making a judgment on this, but I mean the CIA computers going in, Republican computers going in, what type of stuff did you find?

00:12:03.000 The CIA was actually not very interesting.

00:12:06.000 I mean, I was very sad about this.

00:12:08.000 Um, the CIA, they're mostly just people just being lazy at work.

00:12:12.000 Like, starting to tell the CIA's favorite subject was, is arcane lightsaber fighting style.

00:12:18.000 Uh, from Star Wars.

00:12:19.000 That was one of their favorite subjects.

00:12:22.000 So, I did not detect anything serious in the CIA.

00:12:25.000 Yeah, but real CIA edits are going to be done from separate IPs.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, that's probably true.

00:12:31.000 Yeah, no, I'll say it's just the ones that were of bias in the CIA.

00:12:35.000 There were some people who were writing huge personal memoirs on the pages.

00:12:40.000 They'll go into this huge detail.

00:12:42.000 It wouldn't be like a psychopedic entry.

00:12:44.000 It's something like a personal biography, like a first-hand account.

00:12:48.000 And I don't know if those accounts are true or not.

00:12:51.000 Well, I think that's interesting.

00:12:52.000 As long as they admit it's themselves writing it, let them put it up.

00:12:55.000 Yeah, certainly.

00:12:57.000 And from Fox News, one of the things you most commonly saw, they liked adding the word liberal in front of anyone who criticized them.

00:13:06.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:13:07.000 I mean, I'm so conservative in a classic sense, I make Fox look like communist, and they call me hardcore liberal.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, well, they only have, for them it's kind of a binary thing.

00:13:18.000 It's either George Bush or liberal.

00:13:21.000 Well, yeah, they're going for lowest common denominator, literally like a chant, a Vedic chant of just liberal, liberal, liberal, whacked out liberal, liberal, liberal, nutcase crazy liberal, liberal, liberal, yeah.

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:35.000 So yeah, so it's in their case that they were always adding this mere adjective, liberal, in front of anyone they didn't like.

00:13:43.000 And this was most common for NPR radio commentators.

00:13:46.000 Were they doing this on an industrial level?

00:13:48.000 Just liberal, liberal everywhere?

00:13:52.000 Not quite industrial level, but it was a very common theme.

00:13:56.000 But that's just the scans you did.

00:13:58.000 I mean, what, you would just randomly check liberal reporters and it would generally be a Fox News liberal comment in there?

00:14:06.000 Yeah, usually.

00:14:06.000 Like, I mean, actually, let me see how many edits.

00:14:10.000 I think there was something like Well, there was only a few thousand edits from Fox News.

00:14:15.000 Only a few thousand, oh.

00:14:16.000 Yeah, only a few thousand.

00:14:19.000 Another very strong one, from Diebold, the people who make the voting machines.

00:14:25.000 They removed a whole section from their pages where their security was being criticized.

00:14:30.000 And that one's like, ugh.

00:14:32.000 That one made everyone...

00:14:35.000 Well, that one should make us all quite unhappy because, well, voting machines are important.

00:14:44.000 Here's another example of censorship, separate from Wikipedia, because of its open source nature, you're able to do this.

00:14:51.000 But, obviously I'm not telling you that, I'm just telling folks that don't understand computers, like myself.

00:14:56.000 Here's a question from our message board.

00:14:57.000 Hey Alex, the Google video censoring is way worse than just your video, and I'm sure you know.

00:15:02.000 Loose Change, Terror Storm, 9-11 Mysteries are consistently watched enough to be put in the top 100, but as you probably noticed, the top 100 is now, fairly recently, full of sexy type videos.

00:15:13.000 Yeah, there's been a fat lady on a treadmill for 10 years. 1.00

00:15:16.000 And they have the views that some of these documentaries have.

00:15:18.000 They are purposely promoting mindlessness on the top 100.

00:15:22.000 I also have screenshots from last October where they deleted views and versions of Terror Storm Loose Change.

00:15:28.000 They froze counters for 5 days in one case, deleted the Loose Change version that had 7 million views and was constantly in the top 10.

00:15:35.000 It seems within the last 4 or 5 months they've been deliberately censoring Before that, you would see five or six truth movies in the top 100.

00:15:42.000 Now it's all naked ladies. 1.00

00:15:44.000 For example, Loose Change has 8,000 views yesterday, says it ranks at number 30, but it's not even in the top 100.

00:15:50.000 And Google admits they're accidentally doing this, but only to us.

00:15:55.000 And then say, Marshall Law is big news a month ago.

00:15:57.000 It's in the National News, Bush wants Marshall Law.

00:15:59.000 And, you know, it's a major paper.

00:16:00.000 So, the number three search on Google was my film, Marshall Law, from three years ago.

00:16:06.000 And so it gets 700,000 views in three days.

00:16:08.000 It's number one.

00:16:09.000 They just disable it.

00:16:11.000 And it's been disabled for more than a month.

00:16:14.000 I mean, we need programmers and smart guys like you to look at that, too, sir, because we're getting sick of it.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, that's actually kind of interesting.

00:16:25.000 I know several people who do work at Google, and I'll say that most of them are very nice.

00:16:31.000 You would like them as people, I promise.

00:16:35.000 No, I know they're big Ron Paul supporters, and most of them really are good.

00:16:38.000 It started out as a really libertarian, dynamic thing.

00:16:41.000 It's why it's been so successful, but now you know they've made deals with China, they've been doing MIT mergers with CIA, that's all come out.

00:16:48.000 It seems like they are, kind of like they were a young Anakin Skywalker, and now they're becoming, you know, seduced by Lord Palpatine.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, no, I know this view.

00:16:58.000 In short, I think Google is discovering that as they get bigger, and they're becoming more of a global player, they have to make some concessions for them to even survive.

00:17:08.000 Yeah, but look, they're doing censorship right here, bro.

00:17:11.000 We caught them red-handed, and I'm sick of it.

00:17:14.000 By the way, I had Google Ads up, and I removed 95% of their ads, and I'm going to remove them all if they don't quit.

00:17:21.000 I know they don't care, but the point is that I'm even turning down advertising money because I'm getting so sick of them.

00:17:27.000 Right.

00:17:27.000 Yeah, no, I mean, these are all criticisms.

00:17:33.000 I even agree with them in many ways.

00:17:35.000 But with the Google people, they agree all the things they're doing are bad, so they agree with you.

00:17:42.000 But they basically say, you know what, these bad things we have to do, we have to do them in order to even continue to exist.

00:17:51.000 so we aren't sued to oblivion.

00:17:52.000 Yeah, but we've got to let China use our data to grab their dissidents and execute them, or we won't be able to have our own private 777s with party rooms. 0.76

00:18:04.000 Something like that.

00:18:05.000 Well, look, I mean, I hope they make a trillion dollars, but they better do it free market and liberty oriented, and people are getting mad at them.

00:18:11.000 I mean, does Google know that they're really getting a bad rep now?

00:18:15.000 They know that it isn't nearly as good as it used to be.

00:18:18.000 But they're certainly so much better than most companies.

00:18:22.000 Like, for example, when the NSA... No, I'm sorry.

00:18:27.000 When the Department of Justice wanted data, Google was the only one that said no.

00:18:31.000 While MSN and Yahoo immediately said yes.

00:18:34.000 No, I know.

00:18:34.000 I saw that.

00:18:35.000 No, listen, I want to do business with Google.

00:18:37.000 I like Google.

00:18:38.000 I think they're the best product out there for info.

00:18:40.000 But I mean, I'm getting sick of it.

00:18:42.000 Man, my movies are winning the info war.

00:18:45.000 They'd be number one all the time.

00:18:46.000 I'd reach 100 million instead of, you know, Terror Storm reaching 10 million now.

00:18:50.000 And I don't appreciate them doing that.

00:18:52.000 Yeah, no, I understand.

00:18:53.000 I mean, I really have no idea where everything goes into their rankings and whether or not those are all good things to use.

00:19:00.000 Well, what they do is their counter will show that, say, I've had 8,000, 7,000, 10,000 views.

00:19:06.000 And if you look at the rankings, number 22 has 10,100.

00:19:11.000 And I'm doing this just hypothetical.

00:19:15.000 Right, right.

00:19:16.000 And then number 23 has 10,050 views.

00:19:21.000 Well, then I've got 15,000 views.

00:19:23.000 I'm not even in the top 100.

00:19:24.000 That actually would be very nice to do an analysis of.

00:19:28.000 and I'll think about a good way to do that.

00:19:31.000 You can get some objective measurements of traffic stats, and if you could just correlate that with Google ranking and see places where it doesn't make any sense, that would be very, very nice.

00:19:40.000 Well, they seem to do it and then stop and then do it.

00:19:42.000 I mean, what they do is, when we go up in the top ten, they knock us out for a few weeks until we settle back down so there's no viral spread.

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00:23:57.000 In the Mississippi River, she's a gold drive. 1.00

00:24:00.000 Amen.

00:24:01.000 The interest is up and the stock market's down And you're only getting mugged if you go downtown Well, I hope to get Virgil Griffith on from time to time as new developments come out with his wiki scanner.

00:24:17.000 We have links to it up on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:24:22.000 Just in closing, in a few minutes we've got, sir, any other key points you want to make or other interesting discoveries that people should be directed to look at.

00:24:31.000 Yeah, there are two things.

00:24:33.000 Some people keep asking, saying, hey, with Wikiscan, won't this make those companies just more clever?

00:24:39.000 They'll be more sneaky about how they edit Wikipedia, and so they'll think they've done a bad thing by it, because now they're just going to be sneakier now.

00:24:46.000 And I would say, the answer to that is no.

00:24:48.000 Um, and I use the analogy of fingerprints.

00:24:52.000 So like, you know, dusting for fingerprints when we all know police do, and they've done it, you know, for like decades, maybe.

00:24:58.000 Yeah, at least decades.

00:24:59.000 However, every time police come to a crime scene, they still dust for prints, and lo and behold, it still often works.

00:25:07.000 So, I'll look through WikiScanner, kind of like that.

00:25:11.000 So, yes, there may be some people, maybe some criminals that are very clever and they use gloves to prevent things like WikiScanner from working, but by and large, I think it'll still work.

00:25:23.000 So, yeah.

00:25:25.000 So, in short, by a year from now, the entire thing could be done all over again.

00:25:32.000 Now, for those that don't know, Wikipedia is like rated, what, number 8th by the two big web rating services last time I checked, up from number 9.

00:25:39.000 That's about right, yeah.

00:25:42.000 So, for those that don't know, we've tracked some of our stories and websites.

00:25:47.000 10% of our traffic is from Wiki.

00:25:49.000 And so it's a wonderful thing, and I get millions of visitors a month on article sites, and they are little compared to Wiki, but it makes me angry that they let people have personal user pages where they say they're there to destroy information, and they say they're there to shut down alternative info.

00:26:08.000 And then they're just allowed to break all the rules because they're old Wiki users.

00:26:12.000 They need to be shut down.

00:26:13.000 I mean, Wiki does need to clean house and get all the people that are trying to destroy true information out of there.

00:26:20.000 Well, I'll be sure to mention it to them.

00:26:22.000 I mean, yeah, I'll mention it.

00:26:25.000 The Wikimedia Foundation has, I mean, we're talking fairly often now.

00:26:29.000 So I'll mention it.

00:26:30.000 I mean, here's an example.

00:26:31.000 There's some high school kid named Davishire.

00:26:34.000 And he's got a website, and he brags the hundreds of things he's deleted.

00:26:37.000 And, I mean, he deletes stuff like Republican sex scandals, huge ones.

00:26:40.000 He just knocks them off.

00:26:42.000 He deletes bad stuff about George Bush.

00:26:44.000 He deletes stuff about Bush saying we're going to be out of Iraq in a year.

00:26:48.000 And, I mean, he's just one of thousands of these guys, and they just love what they're doing.

00:26:53.000 I see.

00:26:54.000 And, I mean, they just go through and they brag.

00:26:57.000 They show everything they've deleted.

00:26:58.000 I mean, I don't even want to delete people's information I disagree with.

00:27:02.000 I mean, I'm into information.

00:27:03.000 As I know you are.

00:27:05.000 And it's just to see somebody basically burn books makes me mad.

00:27:09.000 This one user you refer to, is that an admin of Wikipedia?

00:27:09.000 No, I understand.

00:27:16.000 Or is it just some random guy?

00:27:17.000 Well, he says he's an admin, but then he took that off and we put attention on it, but then he teams up with other admins, and it's like wolf packs of people.

00:27:24.000 I'm going to have Paul Watson send you all the stories about Google censorship.

00:27:28.000 I see.

00:27:29.000 Well, yeah, sure, sure, sure.

00:27:29.000 officer david steel exposing it and then we'll also send you the information on the uh...

00:27:35.000 these brigades they call them they have military awards most of them are are admit there was sent com and and they just brag they're fighting as evil evil al-qaeda lovers by destroying any criticism of the government i think well yeah yeah sure sure it's just that it and i'll and i'll get into the thinking i can make of it help us uh...

00:27:53.000 now that you started the star wars analogies i'm not going to stop Help us, Obi-Wan Griffith, Virgil, Obi-Wan, we need you.

00:28:02.000 You and many other great programmers and researchers like yourself are our only hope.

00:28:07.000 Is there a website, I mean, other than just your new scanner that you want to plug?

00:28:13.000 Actually, yes, there is one.

00:28:15.000 The Notable Names Database, NNDB.com.

00:28:19.000 I think that's a very nice site for uncovering scandals and things like that and the stuff you mentioned.

00:28:24.000 Get that out again?

00:28:26.000 NNDB.com.

00:28:28.000 November, November, Bravo, Delta.

00:28:31.000 I think I've been to that site.

00:28:32.000 It kind of gives an analysis of each different issue.

00:28:35.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 I think they call me Conspiracy Theorist for a buck or something.

00:28:41.000 Well, are you called that?

00:28:42.000 I don't know what you're called.

00:28:44.000 Is their main headlines in red, right?

00:28:46.000 Yes, that's it.

00:28:47.000 Yeah, well, hey, that's fine.

00:28:48.000 They don't know what it's like to have 12 employees.

00:28:51.000 This microphone I'm on costs $800.

00:28:54.000 I'm very evil that I have a radio show and actually have sponsors.

00:28:58.000 Overall, I find a lot of good info on there, though.

00:29:00.000 Yeah, no, if you ask me, I like it a lot.

00:29:04.000 You can discover that people like Bill Maher are one-stated and cultured.

00:29:12.000 People like, I mean, great juicy stuff like that.

00:29:14.000 No, no, their info on me is pretty accurate.

00:29:16.000 The only thing, their executive analysis is what's wrong.

00:29:19.000 Oh, I see.

00:29:20.000 Okay.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:21.000 Well... But I guess in a way I am for a buck.

00:29:23.000 I mean, I gotta pay the bills.

00:29:25.000 I guess in a way.

00:29:25.000 That's true.

00:29:26.000 No, we all got to.

00:29:27.000 Hey, listen, thank you so much, sir, for spending time with us.

00:29:30.000 Alright, my pleasure.

00:29:31.000 You bet.

00:29:32.000 Take care.

00:29:33.000 Alright, we'll be right back with your calls, a bunch of other news.

00:29:37.000 Stay with me.

Alex Jones Show - August 30, 2007

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