Alex Jones Show - 20080113_Sun_Alex

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00:00:31.000 Now live from Austin, Texas, here's Alex Jones.

00:00:37.000 Now live from Austin, Texas, here's Alex Jones.

00:00:45.000 Welcome ladies and gentlemen, welcome.

00:00:47.000 It is already the 13th day of January 2008.

00:00:50.000 It's still taking some getting used to.

00:00:56.000 Big broadcast lined up for you today.

00:00:59.000 Coming up for most of the second hour, joining us from Tokyo, Japan, will be Forbes writer Benjamin Holford.

00:01:07.000 He left Forbes voluntarily about a year ago, and they wouldn't let him publish different reports about a global group of Asian mafia, or basically the Triads.

00:01:18.000 Reportedly at war with Western Mafia, Western Mafia, the highest levels of our governments, and so I interviewed him Friday for about 30 minutes.

00:01:28.000 We had so much news going on that I said I wanted to bring him back, and undoubtedly later this week I'm going to have him back here on the weekday show for a part three, because there are some guests where they just have so much information that coincides, though, with a lot of news we're covering, so we have to partition them off and break the interviews into several pieces.

00:01:48.000 I had Dennis Kucinich on Friday.

00:01:50.000 In fact, his people wanted him to be back on the day.

00:01:52.000 They were flattered.

00:01:53.000 They got a big response.

00:01:54.000 But we're going to have him on later this week.

00:01:56.000 He wanted to talk more about the recount he's launched in New Hampshire.

00:01:59.000 We'll give you the details of that, questioning the vote there.

00:02:04.000 With Congressman Dennis Kucinich, one of the other Republican candidates running, is protesting the election there.

00:02:12.000 And see, we're having a recount, supposedly, of the Democratic and Republican races from earlier this week because of major discrepancies and problems.

00:02:20.000 And the man running the company, a convicted narcotics trafficker, they seem to always be.

00:02:24.000 So we'll be recapping that, getting into some new developments there as well today.

00:02:32.000 There's a big controversy By the Ron Paul supporters out there across the nation.

00:02:37.000 In fact, I've seen them upset about anything, even remotely rivaling this, about the fact, I'd say it's running 50-50, about half the people out there on the blogs and the different websites and the different chat rooms and the emails I'm getting, the phone calls I'm getting.

00:02:54.000 I'd say about half of Ron Paul's supporters are just very angry right now that he is not calling for a recount himself.

00:03:03.000 Ron Paul, today, put out a statement on that.

00:03:06.000 It's at PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.

00:03:09.000 It's obviously at the presidential website.

00:03:11.000 RonPaul2008.com.

00:03:13.000 He's saying they can't prove that there was election fraud in New Hampshire, though he said Friday in a statement that he wouldn't put it past people to do it.

00:03:21.000 Folks in Ohio just went to prison for stealing the votes for Bush in 2004.

00:03:26.000 Not that I was for Kerry either.

00:03:27.000 That's just the facts.

00:03:28.000 We're just reporting that they went to prison.

00:03:30.000 They pled guilty.

00:03:31.000 They were caught doing it.

00:03:32.000 Of course, Bush didn't really win, but it wouldn't have mattered.

00:03:35.000 His cousin, Kerry, wouldn't have taken the position anyways, plus Skull and Bone's roommate there.

00:03:40.000 So, what a web they weave!

00:03:43.000 I'm going to comment in this next segment, as concisely as I can, my position on Congressman Ron Paul on several issues.

00:03:51.000 I'm fully supporting the Congressman.

00:03:55.000 I am fully behind the Congressman, and he is the best man for the job.

00:03:59.000 Does that mean I agree with everything the Congressman does?

00:04:02.000 In fact, I disagree with some things I do two or three weeks later.

00:04:07.000 And so, none of us are perfect, and I certainly see the Congressman's strategy, and I don't have to read into the things that I've seen the Congressman do, because he stated why he's done them.

00:04:18.000 But when I was reading into what he was doing earlier in the week, it turned out in his own statements that that is indeed the case.

00:04:25.000 So, we'll talk about this situation coming up.

00:04:28.000 Also, The bottom of the hour in about 20 minutes, Nelson Linder, the head of the Austin branch of the NAACP, has been kind enough to come on the show.

00:04:41.000 I called him just a few hours ago and he agreed to come on the broadcast.

00:04:45.000 I know he knows Ron Paul.

00:04:47.000 and has been friends with Ron Paul, been interviewed himself and talked to by Ron Paul going back over 20 years.

00:04:53.000 And so I thought Mr. Linder would be an ideal individual.

00:04:56.000 He's an African American himself, a black man to come on and talk about Ron Paul with the exaggeration, the out of context, the twisting. 0.99

00:05:07.000 And yeah, there are some also some unsavory things in these Literally thousands of newsletters.

00:05:13.000 At one time, Paul had seven different newsletters under his name.

00:05:16.000 Companies would pay him to use his name at different gold companies and groups, and generally he wouldn't even read the content.

00:05:24.000 I was approached by some folks who wanted to ghostwrite some books and magazines and things, and I said no, because I knew that things would end up getting written in my name, and I don't have the time to vet it all and document it all myself, so I just said no.

00:05:36.000 But Ron Paul, back in the 80s, made that mistake, and he said it's a mistake.

00:05:41.000 This has now happened.

00:05:43.000 I mean, I get blamed for things that are written in my message board at PrisonPlanet.com.

00:05:48.000 I've had the news point out things that are written there, and it's obviously not by me.

00:05:51.000 You know, it'll say, written by Possumbelly or whatever their handle is.

00:05:57.000 Somebody really hasn't handled Possumbelly.

00:06:00.000 I'm not saying someone named Possumbelly was really bad.

00:06:02.000 That's a hypothetical default You know, Eddie Bear.

00:06:06.000 Let's see, Eddie Bear wrote it.

00:06:07.000 I mean, you know, who knows what fictitious creature at the Prison Planet Forum.

00:06:12.000 But I've still been harangued and threatened and phone-called and, you better do something about this comment in your message board.

00:06:18.000 It's racist or it's this or that.

00:06:22.000 I can't even read all the posts.

00:06:24.000 There's hundreds of posts at Prison Planet Forum every minute or so.

00:06:27.000 You've got thousands of people posting, and the site's only a week old at ronpaulwarroom.com.

00:06:33.000 I can't keep track of all this, and I cannot... Besides, it's free speech.

00:06:37.000 That's what it's all about.

00:06:40.000 I'm already digressing, ladies and gentlemen.

00:06:43.000 I'm going to give you my take after the break on Ron Paul.

00:06:46.000 You can give us your take on the racism controversy.

00:06:50.000 Which the media is also twisted. 0.94

00:06:52.000 You know, they'll say things like Ron Paul called Martin Luther King a homosexual pedophile. 0.98

00:06:58.000 And then you go actually read the newsletter that somebody else wrote and it says he was a womanizer. 0.94

00:07:05.000 So see the media, dominant media, is also... That's quite a twisting, isn't it?

00:07:10.000 That's quite a puffing up or exaggeration, isn't it?

00:07:15.000 Or there'd be a line about, yeah, some of the political parties are scared of David Duke because of his state's rights platform.

00:07:21.000 It wasn't endorsing David Duke, it was saying that the establishment was scared of him.

00:07:26.000 Pretty amazing, the standard they'll hold people to.

00:07:30.000 Or there was a comment there about gays.

00:07:33.000 And this was written by Paul, by the way. 0.96

00:07:35.000 He said, oh yeah, I did write that, in one of the newsletters, saying that homosexuals, some of them wanted to catch HIV.

00:07:44.000 Well, just two years ago, the cover of the Rolling Stone, hardly an anti-gay magazine, came out in a whole thing, a cover story called Bug Chasers.

00:07:59.000 Because I'd heard this before and I didn't believe it.

00:08:01.000 And I read the article and it was like, oh yes, I want AIDS, oh I can't wait to get it.

00:08:06.000 So see, Ron Paul was a medical doctor and he said he was experiencing that talking to other doctors that he worked with in the newsletter.

00:08:14.000 So see, a lot of it is true in things he wrote, but taken out of context.

00:08:19.000 I'm sorry he was ahead of his time in 88 and knew what the Rolling Stone knew in, what was it, 2005?

00:08:24.000 I don't know, Google bug chasers.

00:08:26.000 I can't Google. 0.89

00:08:29.000 Walking chew gum or talking to chew gum or like Rowdy Rowdy Piper says in, uh, They Live, I can't, uh, you know what, kick butt and chew gum. 0.72

00:08:38.000 I think he says it a little bit more serious than that. 0.63

00:08:40.000 But you know what?

00:08:41.000 We'll post Bug Chasers on PrisonPlanet.com, a link to it, and then we're going to call for Rolling Stone to apologize for their hatred of homosexuals.

00:08:51.000 See, this is the type of distortion... See, I said I was going to get to this in the next segment, and I'm already doing it now, aren't I?

00:08:57.000 Here is the other news that I will cover today.

00:09:00.000 Thousands of UK prisoners to be chipped like dogs.

00:09:03.000 That's the quote from the London Independent.

00:09:04.000 You can't make this type of stuff up.

00:09:06.000 Homeschooling to be a crime in Germany.

00:09:11.000 Hopes of custom-built organs as scientists create beating heart.

00:09:15.000 Times of London.

00:09:17.000 Anti-war Soros funded Iraq study claiming 650,000 dead.

00:09:22.000 It was only 150,000 dead.

00:09:24.000 Bush again blames Iran over terror.

00:09:28.000 Bush says U.S.

00:09:29.000 and allies must confront Iran. 0.99

00:09:31.000 FBI finds Blackwater covering up their trucks and supposedly got shot up.

00:09:36.000 CIA confirms Ventura meeting occurred, how they really run state government.

00:09:42.000 Member of Japanese Diet, that's their Congress, doubts official 9-11 fairy tale.

00:09:47.000 California Toll Agency wants power to seize cars.

00:09:50.000 As goes California, so goes the rest of the nation.

00:09:53.000 That's just some of what's coming up after this quick break, but first, the Ron Paul controversy.

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00:14:15.000 Again, coming up in the next segment after the news, we're going to be talking to Nelson Linder.

00:14:21.000 He is the head of the NAACP here in Austin, Texas, with his take and view on Congresswoman Ron Paul and the entire racism controversy.

00:14:32.000 Right now, let me get into the issue that threatens to split the Ron Paul revolution down the middle.

00:14:40.000 You don't think the establishment was just going to leave Ron Paul alone.

00:14:44.000 You don't think that the media wasn't going to bridge things up and exaggerate things and outright lie about Ron Paul, did you?

00:14:52.000 No, they're going to try to create wedge issues.

00:14:54.000 They're going to try to make controversies.

00:14:57.000 And at the same time, we have to have thick skins who are supporters of Ron Paul, or people who are supporters of the First Amendment for that matter, or our electoral process.

00:15:10.000 And Ron Paul did come out with a statement on Friday saying, look, our enemies, enemies of liberty, are not above election fraud.

00:15:19.000 And expanding on that, we just had a bunch of people who ran the Ohio election, Which we knew was stolen from Kerry go to prison!

00:15:29.000 Now I want to be clear with so-called mainline conservatives out there.

00:15:32.000 I don't like Kerry.

00:15:34.000 I'm not choosing to say the election was stolen because I like Kerry.

00:15:39.000 Any more than I'm choosing to say there's a lot of suspicious things happening with Barack Obama in New Hampshire.

00:15:46.000 I don't just because I don't like Hillary then decide to come out and say okay it looks like she stole from Barack Obama. 1.00

00:15:54.000 I'm just going where the facts lead me.

00:15:58.000 Now that said, something is rotten in the state of New Hampshire.

00:16:02.000 We had Howard Dean in 2004, 10 points in the polls, scientific polls that generally have about a margin of error of 3-4%, very accurate.

00:16:15.000 Magically, he's 10 points ahead of Hillary, but he didn't just lose to Hillary, he got 9 points less than her, a 19-point swing, and 81% of the state has the Diebold touchscreen magic machines, which have just been totally proven to be scams.

00:16:34.000 And that's where he lost by the whopping 19 points.

00:16:37.000 He lost by 9, but he was 10 points ahead.

00:16:40.000 That's a 19-point swing.

00:16:42.000 And then he won, as the polls said he should have, on the paper ballots.

00:16:47.000 See, I remember that.

00:16:48.000 I don't like Howard Dean.

00:16:50.000 I don't like the Democratic Party.

00:16:51.000 I don't like big government.

00:16:53.000 I'm a libertarian-style Republican in the past, until I realized both parties were bought off, and so I said, hey, I'm not in any party.

00:17:01.000 A Ron Paul comes along, I get behind him.

00:17:03.000 I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm simply giving you the facts.

00:17:06.000 So, New Hampshire pops up, the same guy, Sylvesto, Silvesto that runs this company with Diebold machines that tabulates 80 plus percent of the votes in five states, including 80 plus percent, 81 percent in New Hampshire.

00:17:22.000 Then we learn, from people that have been involved in corruption fights against him, that his number two guy at the company was a convicted narcotics trafficker.

00:17:32.000 By the way, that's got to be like the 20th time we've caught, it's more than that, Diebold officials, vice presidents, being cocaine dealers.

00:17:38.000 It seems like you've got to be one to be in the club.

00:17:43.000 People administering Diebold machines.

00:17:45.000 Or they're hackers, top hackers who spent 5, 10 years for hardcore computer crimes.

00:17:50.000 Some of the best hackers in the world work for Diebold.

00:17:54.000 You can't look under the hood.

00:17:55.000 They won't.

00:17:56.000 Federal courts have ruled 300 million Americans votes don't count against them saying you can't look under the hood.

00:18:02.000 Then we have different companies and Diebold officials quitting, going public, saying, I was hired for fraud.

00:18:09.000 You've got the chairman of Diebold's plane blowing up last week, very suspiciously.

00:18:15.000 I mean, this is... These are nice people.

00:18:18.000 We'll just... And then the other companies are run by former CIA directors or deputy directors or NSA directors.

00:18:24.000 I mean, look into it.

00:18:25.000 You can't make this stuff up.

00:18:29.000 And so all that's going on, and then first in one township, and then in two townships, and then in three townships, where he got zero, it turns out he got a bunch of votes.

00:18:40.000 31, 67, 100, and something.

00:18:42.000 Then there's all these thousands of votes, 500 in one county, 50 in another county, they're called townships in New Hampshire, it'll say other.

00:18:50.000 They won't say who it was, it'll say other.

00:18:53.000 And so we start saying, wait a minute!

00:18:55.000 The polls don't count.

00:18:56.000 Barack Obama's 16 points ahead of her.

00:18:59.000 13 in polls and loses by 3, that's 16.

00:19:03.000 16 point swing.

00:19:04.000 Everybody, and the media says with no evidence, oh, he must have, all the people being polled must have lied.

00:19:11.000 No evidence is a conspiracy theory.

00:19:12.000 They say everyone being questioned by the media must have lied.

00:19:17.000 They must have lied to the pollsters.

00:19:19.000 Suddenly polls don't work when these machines go in.

00:19:21.000 Suddenly they're not good anymore.

00:19:23.000 Oh, they're accurate the rest of the time, but not when this happens.

00:19:27.000 You can't just trust one poll, but 10, 20, 30, 50, 100.

00:19:30.000 There were hundreds of polls.

00:19:31.000 They kept showing between 15 and 20 percent for Barack Obama.

00:19:35.000 The minority of the polls were showing 10, 12 percent.

00:19:39.000 We're going with a low number when we say he was winning by 13.

00:19:43.000 He was winning early in the night and suddenly got beat.

00:19:45.000 That's another sign of fraud.

00:19:46.000 We have a rundown list of this.

00:19:50.000 So you have other votes that just say other, that they're not voting by the thousands.

00:19:54.000 We have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of votes in places that said zero, then we find out he had votes.

00:20:00.000 They all say that in the towns it was an accident to put zero when they were hand counting them.

00:20:05.000 Those are in towns that have paper ballots.

00:20:07.000 You'll never know with the machines.

00:20:10.000 And so We have Arthur Howard, who's a Republican candidate who's gone and is doing a recall.

00:20:19.000 And local grassroots organizations are funding it.

00:20:21.000 They raised like $40,000 last time I checked on their chip-in button on the grannywarriors.com website.

00:20:27.000 Ladies that drive around. 1.00

00:20:28.000 These old ladies that drive around in this big bus with Ron Paul all over it. 1.00

00:20:32.000 So they're funding that.

00:20:33.000 We've got Dennis Kucinich, who I interviewed Friday.

00:20:36.000 That's up on PrisonPlanet.com.

00:20:38.000 He's funding it because he says it does look suspicious.

00:20:42.000 It does look like Barack Obama could have been cheated.

00:20:44.000 Here's a story from PrisonPlanet.com.

00:20:46.000 By the way, our interview with him got picked up by AP, the Epoch Times, and a bunch of other news sites did pick it up.

00:20:53.000 So there we are, news making again.

00:20:54.000 Good job, Trey, getting Dennis Kucinich Friday, by the way.

00:20:59.000 to senate surprise Hillary victory a mystery that needs to be solved.

00:21:04.000 You can read that up on PrisonPlanet.com.

00:21:06.000 So, we even have a clip from HBO Friday night, we're going to play later in the show, just a few minutes of it, of the head of the show coming out and saying that he questions this and it looks suspicious and he doesn't trust these machines.

00:21:24.000 So we're not kooks, we're not weirdos, We're not bad.

00:21:29.000 Bill Maher and many others are saying this.

00:21:31.000 Republicans and Democrats are saying this.

00:21:34.000 Something's very suspicious here with Ron Paul and Barack Obama.

00:21:39.000 Now Ron Paul put out a statement Friday saying they're not above election fraud.

00:21:43.000 We're looking at it.

00:21:44.000 Then today he comes out and says, you know what?

00:21:49.000 I think he went too far saying I don't think there's election fraud after looking at it.

00:21:55.000 And he doesn't really give any evidence for that.

00:21:56.000 It's clear.

00:21:57.000 He goes on to say that we need to look forward to other states.

00:22:00.000 We need not lose our momentum on this. 0.96

00:22:02.000 He knows he'll look like a sore loser if he does that.

00:22:05.000 He knows it's, this is the key, that you can't probably get a real recount.

00:22:09.000 We found out the guy running the recount, it's all done behind closed doors.

00:22:12.000 If you can pay the 60-something grand by, that's what they quoted Nader a few years ago when he pulled out of it, then just the same people just recount.

00:22:24.000 And so I'll finish up with my comments on Ron Paul and where I think this revolution should go.

00:22:29.000 You know, we need to just continue to support, because the establishment wants to drive a wedge.

00:22:34.000 They want to shut down this campaign, which, if it's anything, is an educational process for the country.

00:22:39.000 All right, here's the quick news and important messages, and then your calls on the other side.

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00:27:18.000 One day before, and at the exit polls, a lot of them say that people still voted for him as the winner.

00:27:24.000 I'm not saying something was funny going on there, but it does bother me that a private company would...

00:27:32.000 ...runs the polling machines, and that only they certainly seem to know what went on in that... Isn't it interesting that they changed their name from Diebold to, what is it, Precision Elections?

00:27:45.000 No, they changed it to KFC.

00:27:50.000 What I'm glad about is that, in fact, this controversy has come up, and that they're going to go back and take a look, and it's going to elevate the whole voting machine issue in the minds of the American people again before the elections.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, I mean, we have so much debate, and there's so much interest in this election, and there's so much debate, and there's so much misogyny, but it all comes to naught if we can't trust what the result is, and... Does that mean you ought to have voter ID?

00:28:17.000 Well, that's a different issue.

00:28:18.000 Right.

00:28:19.000 No, Richard, take a vote for it!

00:28:21.000 I mean, if you're simply asking... Yeah, but if I don't vote for it, then... You can't cast for the vote, it doesn't matter.

00:28:25.000 Yeah, alright.

00:28:25.000 And if you don't know what the company's doing... By the way, that is, um...

00:28:30.000 Bill Maher Friday.

00:28:30.000 We're going to play a little bit more of it coming up later.

00:28:32.000 You know, Tony Snobe, the fake conservative of the wolf in sheep's clothing, you know, he pops in, you know, and says, oh yeah, does that mean we need voter ID?

00:28:40.000 Which, by the way, at certain levels of my mind, I'm for, but then it gets into other problems of the government knowing how you vote and creating records.

00:28:47.000 They've done major studies, universities have, and most of the fraud in elections is done by the machines, by the counties, by the cities, historically.

00:28:58.000 I mean, you know, going back to LBJ and the famous, you know, theft when he got into Congress, and Kennedy in Chicago. 0.51

00:29:05.000 I mean, these are documented.

00:29:07.000 Folks just went to prison in Ohio for stealing votes in the 2004 election for Bush.

00:29:13.000 I mean, they went to jail.

00:29:14.000 They just pled guilty.

00:29:15.000 They just went to jail, and us conspiracy theorists, Bev Harris and others, who I've been interviewing ever since she got on their trail in the HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy, and we were called conspiracy theorists until they pled guilty.

00:29:28.000 I mean, I've been covering this for 12 years, and if you don't think it's even going on, you've got another thing coming.

00:29:33.000 All right, shifting gears, I'm going to get more into the Ron Paul situation from the angle of why he's not calling for a recount now.

00:29:39.000 He's trying to look forward, and it's really made the Ron Paul supporters mad.

00:29:42.000 That's coming up.

00:29:43.000 I know we have a load of phone lines we're going to get to as well.

00:29:46.000 But I really appreciate Nelson E. Linder, president of the Austin NAACP.

00:29:52.000 And you can just type Austin, N-double-A-C-P into Google, and it'll take you to their organization website here in Austin. 0.99

00:29:58.000 I know that Mr. Linder has met and knows Ron Paul going back over 20 years, so I just thought I would call him up and get him on the show, not just because we're on the air in Austin, but we're on the air in Kansas City and San Diego and upstate New York and Florida, Tennessee, a lot of other places.

00:30:15.000 So, Mr. Linder, thank you for coming on.

00:30:18.000 Thank you, and I appreciate the opportunity to talk to your listeners.

00:30:21.000 You bet.

00:30:21.000 And side issue, I mean it's really the Ron Paul.

00:30:24.000 I also want to get your take on the rash of black men being shot in the back here in Austin.

00:30:29.000 It's really becoming almost a weekly occurrence, unfortunately.

00:30:32.000 But before we get there, you know Ron Paul.

00:30:35.000 You've got the floor.

00:30:36.000 You've been watching him, reading his work for years.

00:30:38.000 This controversy has come up.

00:30:40.000 Please give us your educated take on this as the president of the NAACP here in one of the largest cities in the country.

00:30:47.000 I think, Alex, basically the Libertarian Party in itself, because it focuses on state rights, a lot of people, I think, misunderstand their intent.

00:30:55.000 I met Ron Paul over 20 years ago, and I looked at his whole platform.

00:30:58.000 Clearly, the guy, he's got some very good ideas.

00:31:01.000 But I think the problem is, from an African American standpoint, when you talk about state versus federal power, You see, from our history, we've had it bad from both, actually, so we're not really that sympathetic to either, but when you talk about state rights and the Confederacy and those kind of things sometimes, it gets taken out of context.

00:31:18.000 Now, I like some of his policies.

00:31:19.000 I think he's a very honorable guy, but I think when you talk about state rights, you attract people sometimes who are still fighting the Civil War.

00:31:25.000 And I've told people close to the party that I think they ought to talk more about social injustice and about the prison-industrial conflict.

00:31:32.000 That way, you can have a much more valid conversation, but I think a lot of times, that whole platform For the most part, it confuses a lot of people.

00:31:39.000 Well, it's federal sentencing, mandatory sentencing, that if a black man, and that's usually who it was, got caught with less than a gram of cocaine, he gets 25 years in prison. 0.77

00:31:53.000 But then if you're caught with five or six bags of cocaine, the type that the white lawyers snort, you get a year at the Fed Hilton. 0.86

00:32:04.000 And Ron Paul has spoken out about that, and he's talked about Martin Luther King being his hero, Rosa Parks being his hero, in video speeches I've seen that are thirty years old, and so the problem is, just like you said, you've been following him for twenty years, this isn't some new Ron Paul that likes Martin Luther King.

00:32:21.000 So please speak to that, sir, directly to what you think about some of these newsletters and these statements and things.

00:32:27.000 Well, I think, obviously, there's a tank of Ron Paul from the major political parties in this country.

00:32:31.000 I mean, for example, Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary attacked basically indirectly MLK.

00:32:37.000 Now that was a true example of sexual racism, but people tend to ignore that.

00:32:41.000 So I think they have an advantage in trying to diminish from Paul because in reality, let's face it, he's getting a lot of votes from folks who otherwise might vote for them, but I think this is a concerted effort.

00:32:50.000 to make the plan feel smaller.

00:32:52.000 And let's face it, they benefit by talking about Ron Paul, but in reality, from that standpoint, I can find racism in every major political part in this country.

00:32:59.000 That's all I'll begin with, Ron Paul.

00:33:01.000 I just think that when you talk about the Constitution in this country, you're going to scare a lot of people.

00:33:04.000 I think personally, as a black man, there should be more focused on civil liberties, no doubt about that.

00:33:09.000 And I think if we did that more, we'd prevent some of the state police power and have a better country.

00:33:14.000 But in reality, the big boys, the powerful corporations, the folks around this country, they're afraid of us beginning to empower ourselves.

00:33:19.000 But I think that Ron Paul, for the most part, is probably getting an unfair deal.

00:33:23.000 But at the same time, like I told him before, talk more about social issues.

00:33:26.000 Talk more about what you would do to address racism in this country.

00:33:28.000 It still exists.

00:33:29.000 So I think if he's standing his whole concept, he'd probably cover himself a lot better from these kind of national attacks.

00:33:35.000 Well, absolutely. - Absolutely.

00:33:39.000 I heard you earlier today speak about this.

00:33:41.000 You were discussing out of context, and really that's what they've done, or they've gone and found things that, you know, he just said, yeah, go ahead and sell that newsletter for some gold company under my name, and he spoke out against those 20 years ago.

00:33:55.000 I've told the news articles, and he keeps saying, how many times does he have to say he's sorry that a few of these things slipped through out of thousands of issues?

00:34:03.000 Well, once again, I think That's all intentional.

00:34:07.000 My whole thing is, basically, locally, I hope that more libertarians will get more involved and address more black issues, because in reality, I think, they're misunderstood.

00:34:15.000 I think right now, for example, from my standpoint, I like what Barack Obama's doing.

00:34:19.000 I'm more of an independent thinker overall.

00:34:21.000 We need more independence in this country.

00:34:22.000 We need more political involvement, not less.

00:34:24.000 We don't need a two-party system in this country, but once again, when you threaten the powers that be, primarily the Democratic-Republican Party with what he's doing, you're making people think.

00:34:33.000 He's going to be attacked from every angle.

00:34:35.000 That's unfortunate because I think really, all of us know the Constitution.

00:34:39.000 It's an important document.

00:34:40.000 If you know it, you read it, you can empower yourself, but let's face it, folks are afraid of the American people empowering themselves and scrutinizing all political parties, not just two major parties.

00:34:49.000 Mr. Linder, head of the NAACP here in Austin, is it not suspicious to you that they released this big report that had already been rehashed and discredited 20 years ago on the day, the night before the New Hampshire primary?

00:35:05.000 I think it's very suspicious.

00:35:06.000 I also think it's very suspicious that Hillary Clinton all of a sudden won at that primary, given the fact she was way behind in the polls.

00:35:12.000 I think the whole process needs to be looked at very carefully.

00:35:15.000 I would definitely call for a recount, not just with Ron Paul, but in general, because to me it's very fishy.

00:35:20.000 The attacks there, the interests of Bill Clinton, who unfortunately is not student of a lot of black people in this country.

00:35:26.000 I think the whole Clinton process and what they stand for... What about all these weird statements about how Bill Clinton's more black than Barack Obama?

00:35:34.000 Have you seen those?

00:35:35.000 Yeah, I've seen those.

00:35:36.000 And once again, I think a lot of folks don't really study Clinton's history, the record.

00:35:40.000 Bill Clinton's from Arkansas, and even though he's had a pretty good record overall, he's also done some very bad things and poor things in terms of racism.

00:35:48.000 But once again, when you talk a certain language in this country, Some folks are going to vote for you.

00:35:52.000 Well, he supported the mandatory sentences that put 17-year-old black kids away for having 1-100th the amount of cocaine in the White House.

00:36:00.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:36:01.000 And that needs to be addressed.

00:36:02.000 But once again, Alex, those issues are not being covered in this country in the media.

00:36:05.000 And unfortunately, a lot of our people, meaning black people, we're not reading those facts.

00:36:09.000 Take, for example, Travis County.

00:36:11.000 Right now, we're 10% of the population in Travis County, but we're 13% in a county jail.

00:36:15.000 That's not being shut down either.

00:36:16.000 The DA's office here has a lot of power.

00:36:18.000 So I think overall, If we look at the Constitution, and the fact that our rights are being taken away from us, that would change this whole debate, but there is a national attempt right now to make folks focus on a few key issues.

00:36:28.000 We have Nelson E. Linder, the President of the NAACP here in Austin, Texas.

00:36:32.000 Sir, can you stay with us for a quick three minute break, because I want to come back and let you finish up on the topic that you really want to address today, which ties into what Ron Paul has been saying.

00:36:41.000 Oh yeah, the Democrats will talk a good game, but they won't get rid of that mandatory sentencing.

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00:41:59.000 And just finishing up with the Ron Paul angle on all this.

00:42:02.000 Look, I agree with Tony Brown, who I've interviewed many times over the years.

00:42:06.000 Of course, talk show host, columnist, author from Chicago.

00:42:12.000 It just so happens to be black. 0.81

00:42:14.000 I try to even get past what color people are. 0.99

00:42:15.000 And what he's always been saying is true.

00:42:18.000 What you see done in the black community, or the underprivileged areas, is going to be done in your community. 0.96

00:42:23.000 And everything we saw being done to blacks 20, 30, 40 years ago, the frame-ups, the rest of it, now they're doing to everybody. 0.95

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00:42:37.000 All of that.

00:42:38.000 It's real.

00:42:39.000 But with Ron Paul, just anything else you can say specifically about knowing him, talking to him?

00:42:43.000 I mean, I get from what you're saying that this is hypocritical, the attacks on him.

00:42:48.000 I mean, are you saying they're unfounded?

00:42:49.000 I mean, a basic statement on this.

00:42:52.000 I'm saying basically knowing Ron Paul's intent, I think he's really trying to improve his country.

00:42:58.000 But I think also, Alex, when you talk about a constitution, a constitutional federal government versus a state, I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that.

00:43:06.000 Especially folks who still believe real big in state rights.

00:43:10.000 Some of the folks who are still fighting the Civil War.

00:43:12.000 So I think it's very easy for folks who want to take his position out of context, and that's what I'm hearing.

00:43:18.000 I think it's a very fair guy.

00:43:21.000 I just think that a lot of folks do not understand the libertarian platform.

00:43:25.000 So I'm calling for more dialogue, more education, more involvement in the black community.

00:43:29.000 Because in reality, look at the privilege system.

00:43:31.000 If we address that one issue based on what he's talking about, that would really change our whole community.

00:43:36.000 Because right now, let's face it, we have a privilege of national coverage in this country.

00:43:39.000 And it's affected black folks and poor folks more than anybody.

00:43:41.000 Well, we really do, and we've gone from 1 million in the prison to 2.4, 7 million in the system.

00:43:46.000 The public schools have turned into induction centers directly into the prisons or into the military.

00:43:53.000 It's all about, one way or the other, getting people into the system.

00:43:56.000 But finishing up, sir, on Ron Paul.

00:43:58.000 I just think, basically, he needs to do a better job of talking more to the black community and making sure he's involved more, where his positions are properly understood outside of the civil versus a state rights issue because too often that's going to be taken out of context.

00:44:11.000 Sure.

00:44:11.000 Did you hear him 20 years ago?

00:44:13.000 Civil rights.

00:44:14.000 Because I pulled up videos of him.

00:44:15.000 They're on YouTube.

00:44:16.000 Him 20, 30 years ago talking about Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King being his heroes.

00:44:20.000 I mean, you've known him a long time.

00:44:23.000 I mean, do you think Ron Paul is a racist?

00:44:26.000 No, I don't.

00:44:27.000 No, I don't.

00:44:27.000 And, I mean, did you hear him speak out about blacks being in prison and the laws being unfairly bending towards blacks?

00:44:34.000 I've heard him do that plenty of times, Alex.

00:44:36.000 Also, by the way, I like Tony Brown as well.

00:44:39.000 See, I've read Ron Paul's whole philosophy.

00:44:41.000 I also understand what he's saying from a political standpoint and why people are attacking him.

00:44:45.000 And you've known him for 20 years.

00:44:46.000 So, I mean, that's my point is that I've known Ron Paul for 14 years.

00:44:49.000 We've been interviewing him for 12.

00:44:51.000 I know, I mean, that he's a gentleman.

00:44:54.000 I mean, almost to the point of being wimpy.

00:44:56.000 And he didn't make these statements that they've been saying he made.

00:44:58.000 And then they've even taken the statements that were made and expanded and twisted them.

00:45:03.000 Well, I mean, that's obviously intentional, Alex, but once again, if you look at Eric Coggins... But like you said, though, he's talking about the Constitution, the establishment's scared of that, because, as you said, I mean, the Constitution's in trouble, isn't it?

00:45:12.000 Oh, oh, certainly.

00:45:13.000 Civil rights, civil liberties, that should be the real dialogue in this country right now, but nobody's talking about that.

00:45:18.000 People don't seem to care.

00:45:19.000 So, yeah, what he's saying really, really is threatening the powers that be, and that's what it is.

00:45:23.000 This is a country based on fear right now, and so if you scare the folks that got money, they're going to attack you, and they're going to take it out of context.

00:45:29.000 Well, look at how he's not going with the popular thing of saying the Arabs want to drink your blood.

00:45:33.000 I mean, look at how, even though that's unpopular with some people, he's still saying that they're not all terrorists and they're not devils, and they don't have, you know, tails they hide underneath, you know, with forked, you know, devil teeth and things.

00:45:45.000 I mean, certainly, Ron Paul has never done anything that would put him in that light.

00:45:50.000 Well, he hasn't.

00:45:50.000 He's also called it the Iraq War.

00:45:52.000 Well, you're right.

00:45:53.000 We don't hear Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney or the other frontrunners talking about the issues that we do hear Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich talking about.

00:45:58.000 I like this platform.

00:46:00.000 I have my differences also.

00:46:01.000 But I have differences with all major parties in this country.

00:46:04.000 But I think it's better we have Ron Paul than we're going to have these dialogues on a much greater fashion to try to educate folks about what he really can do.

00:46:04.000 That's why I'm independent.

00:46:11.000 Well, you're right.

00:46:12.000 We don't hear Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney or the other frontrunners talking about the issues that we do hear Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich talking about.

00:46:19.000 In closing, sir, I mean, there have been so many shootings, so many deaths in the jails of blacks predominantly. 1.00

00:46:25.000 And then a few times I've even tried to believe the police when they put out a fake story, and then I end up looking like a fool because it turns out they're lying. 0.98

00:46:33.000 How many black men, how many retarded black men, that seems to be their favorite, homeless, retarded black men, how many black men have to get shot in the back before these cops get in trouble? 1.00

00:46:43.000 Well, I think to the credit of Alex, Dave had a pretty decent police chief right now, but I think it's bigger than that. 0.99

00:46:48.000 He did finally fire one time.

00:46:49.000 I think the problem is DA's office.

00:46:51.000 You see, in reality, there has been no accountability to local police people here in this town.

00:46:55.000 So until the DA begins to prosecute bad cops, this is going to continue.

00:46:59.000 But I think he is not necessarily the police, it's going to be the district attorney's office.

00:47:03.000 That's where the power really comes from.

00:47:05.000 If they don't prosecute bad cops, this is going to continue. 0.98

00:47:07.000 Why do you think they keep shooting black men in the back? 0.85

00:47:09.000 I mean, are the police just, even if consciously they're not racist, are they deep down subconsciously afraid of black men? 0.59

00:47:16.000 I think from a historical standpoint, yes. 0.63

00:47:18.000 I think also, let's face it, people in this country know that black life is worth less, so you can do it and get away with it. 0.99

00:47:24.000 And once again, nobody's been to jail for doing that.

00:47:26.000 And to the folks who've been to jail for doing that, it's going to continue.

00:47:28.000 But it's always in the back!

00:47:31.000 Well, that's true. 0.99

00:47:32.000 But once again, this is a white racist society. 0.97

00:47:35.000 Why would you shoot somebody in the back for no reason? 0.99

00:47:37.000 Well, maybe you have internal issues.

00:47:39.000 Maybe you know you can get away with it.

00:47:41.000 Well, I'll say this.

00:47:42.000 This is back when I was in high school here in Austin.

00:47:44.000 I was driving my mom some yogurt from TBC Wise or whatever it's called.

00:47:48.000 I'll never forget it.

00:47:49.000 And I had a weight belt in the front seat and a white cop pulled me over. 0.94

00:47:51.000 It was in Northwest Hills. 0.93

00:47:53.000 And he pulls me over speeding, and he felt so bad afterwards he let me go, and he freaks out, pulls a gun out, sticks it to my head, he almost pulled the trigger, I almost was gone, and then he said, oh, sorry, you know, you don't get a ticket, but, you know, darn it, he said something else, you know, that weight belt looked like a gun. 0.96

00:48:10.000 I think a lot of it, and I think they're even more scary around blacks, because as you said, racism, I mean, I almost got blown away by an Austin cop, so I just think they're just so afraid. 0.96

00:48:20.000 Well, they work in a bad environment. 0.73

00:48:22.000 Training also teaches that.

00:48:24.000 But I think, once again, if you look at the fact that nobody is prosecuting bad cops in this country, the DA's office, for the most part, has done absolutely nothing.

00:48:31.000 I mean, who holds them accountable?

00:48:33.000 There is no accountability system in this county, in this country, when it comes to police issues.

00:48:37.000 And that's going to be the solution.

00:48:40.000 Well, I agree with you, and I think the solution is going to be local.

00:48:42.000 I mean, I know you pushed for the review board, and it turned into a puppet front group.

00:48:46.000 I mean, take Austin as a microcosm.

00:48:48.000 More than a million people really growing now, and we're having more and more of this.

00:48:52.000 I mean, what is it going to take?

00:48:53.000 I mean, A, having a police chief that doesn't put up with it.

00:48:56.000 B, having police not go after a police chief that does the right thing, realizing that if they do the right thing, cops won't be hated.

00:49:03.000 Civilian, as they call us, review boards.

00:49:05.000 I mean, what do we do?

00:49:06.000 I think A and C, Alex.

00:49:07.000 Number one, you gotta have a police chief who holds his office accountable and starts there.

00:49:11.000 And we need to have civilian review that makes sure that civilians have power to invoke certain decisions. 0.52

00:49:17.000 I think you need both a good police chief who's accessible, but also folks who are properly educated in the community who know what their rights are.

00:49:23.000 Those two things work in a combination of factors.

00:49:25.000 Nelson E. Linder.

00:49:26.000 Folks can go to the Austin NAACP, austinnaacp.org.

00:49:31.000 A lot of important information there.

00:49:33.000 Bottom line, would you say that Ron Paul is getting a raw deal?

00:49:36.000 I think he's getting a raw deal.

00:49:37.000 I think we can read this whole platform, what he's trying to do in this country.

00:49:40.000 Yeah, but that's politics, Alex.

00:49:41.000 The guy's threatening a few folks about viewpoints.

00:49:43.000 That's the way the game works.

00:49:44.000 Let's face it.

00:49:45.000 Absolutely.

00:49:46.000 Well, a very honest and down-to-earth real person, President of the Austin NAACP.

00:49:51.000 Mr. Linder, thanks for spending time with us.

00:49:52.000 Thank you, sir.

00:49:53.000 I appreciate it.

00:49:54.000 We have time to play a minute or two of this clip, don't we?

00:49:54.000 Take care.

00:49:57.000 This is, well, there's so many of these clips, but here's Ron Paul on blacks in prison and what's happening there.

00:50:02.000 Now, are black leaders going to be honest like Mr. Linder was? 1.00

00:50:05.000 Are they going to play politics for the establishment Hillary Clinton, who just loves putting black men in prison under racist drug laws? 0.99

00:50:15.000 If you want to look for discrimination, it's in the judicial system. 0.97

00:50:19.000 14% of the inner city blacks commit drug crime. 0.96

00:50:22.000 67% of blacks are in prison. 0.97

00:50:24.000 That's discrimination.

00:50:25.000 That's the judicial code that I am attacking.

00:50:28.000 And that is not racism.

00:50:30.000 What I defend is the principle of libertarianism, where we never see people who belong to a group, and every individual is defended and protected because they're important in the individual, not because of their color of skin, but of their character.

00:50:43.000 So I am the anti-racist, because I am the only candidate, Republican or Democrat, who would protect the minority against these vicious drug laws.

00:50:52.000 Now, Ron Paul has always said that.

00:50:54.000 Now, let's be accurate about the statistics.

00:50:57.000 Statistically and historically, this ties into poverty.

00:51:00.000 People in poverty commit more crime.

00:51:02.000 When the economy gets bad, there's more crime overall. 0.97

00:51:06.000 Statistically, there's two groups, blacks and illegal aliens, that commit the most amount of crime. 1.00

00:51:10.000 Take a look at the pie charts.

00:51:12.000 But, there is a higher prosecution and a higher concentration of police in those areas, and the book is thrown at them.

00:51:20.000 So, you have to basically split the numbers.

00:51:23.000 You have to split the numbers. 0.96

00:51:25.000 Because, you know, you get 14% of blacks using drugs, but 67% of the prison population is black. 0.95

00:51:30.000 See, there's an over-prosecution. 0.91

00:51:32.000 It's clearly there.

00:51:34.000 Is that saying poor areas don't have more crime?

00:51:36.000 Absolutely.

00:51:37.000 CIA shipped in crack?

00:51:39.000 Crack zombies running around killing each other?

00:51:41.000 Everybody else?

00:51:41.000 Absolutely.

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00:53:32.000 Joining us, coming up in the next segment from Japan is Forbes writer, writes a lot of other big publications, Benjamin Fulford, to talk about one of the leaders of Japan's second largest party in their Congress, called their Diet, member of Japanese Diet, Dallas official 9/11 fairy tale.

00:53:53.000 That's coming up and he's inside the Japanese elite. 0.82

00:53:56.000 This guy talks to some of the head honchos, including some people inside the Emperor's family.

00:54:01.000 And he's got national attention here in the U.S.

00:54:04.000 He'll be popping in.

00:54:05.000 Right now, let's go to your phone calls.

00:54:07.000 You've been holding long enough.

00:54:08.000 Let's talk to Andy in Montana.

00:54:11.000 You're on the air, Andy.

00:54:12.000 Thanks for holding.

00:54:14.000 Good, sir.

00:54:14.000 How's it going, Alex?

00:54:16.000 I just want a little update on the bill that was just passed to the House with the overwhelming numbers of the Homegrown Care Act.

00:54:24.000 It was H.R.

00:54:26.000 1955, I believe.

00:54:27.000 That's got to pass the Senate, too, now.

00:54:29.000 Right.

00:54:30.000 Yeah.

00:54:31.000 When is that going to the Senate?

00:54:32.000 Is there a date?

00:54:34.000 Well, generally, if something failed in the last Congress, it'll have to be brought back out this time, but they've... It openly has thought crimes.

00:54:41.000 It's basically book-burning, 21st century style. 0.87

00:54:44.000 They're going to decide... You know, in the past, they could arrest you if you said, go kill ABC.

00:54:50.000 Uh, you know, because that's not free speech.

00:54:51.000 It's a terroristic threat.

00:54:53.000 It's firing a theater.

00:54:54.000 They're saying that if you say ideas, the government's going to have kind of a Supreme Soviet board, and it's going to decide what you can and can't say.

00:55:01.000 And they said, you're not going to be allowed to say the government stage is terror.

00:55:04.000 It doesn't matter if it's declassified in public.

00:55:06.000 You're not going to be able to mainline groups.

00:55:08.000 You're not going to be able to say the elections are fraud or that there's any voting machine fraud.

00:55:12.000 You'll be arrested.

00:55:13.000 And it's all stated.

00:55:14.000 They've talked about the things that they'll ban in some of the public meetings about the federal board they want to set up.

00:55:19.000 And it's just absolute Soviet Union. 0.56

00:55:22.000 Oh, it's tickling.

00:55:23.000 I mean, this is tickling.

00:55:24.000 They're doing it all.

00:55:25.000 I mean, they're pulling out the stops, man.

00:55:29.000 Yeah, it's so ambiguous, you know.

00:55:33.000 Well, see, that's just the bill.

00:55:34.000 If you go look at the...

00:55:36.000 Sure.

00:55:36.000 If you go look at the meetings they had a few months ago in conjunction about what homegrown terrorists are in Congress, they were on C-SPAN, they showed architects and engineers from 9-11 truth.

00:55:47.000 Hundreds of top architects and engineers saying these buildings had controlled demolitions.

00:55:51.000 Of course, there's hundreds of firefighters and police saying, yeah, we were told to get back, they were going to blow it up.

00:55:55.000 The firemen saw what they called lava in the basements, which takes 3,000 plus degrees, not 1,800 degree jet fuel.

00:56:03.000 It's just, and they just told them all shut up.

00:56:06.000 That's just the end of it.

00:56:08.000 And that was a Z600 listener, I'm told.

00:56:10.000 I've got to plug the station.

00:56:12.000 I love all our affiliates.

00:56:12.000 I never do.

00:56:13.000 Thank you.

00:56:14.000 Lawrence in Canada.

00:56:16.000 You're on the air, Lawrence.

00:56:17.000 Welcome.

00:56:18.000 How are you doing, Alex?

00:56:19.000 Good.

00:56:20.000 Go ahead.

00:56:20.000 I'm going to read a scripture for you.

00:56:22.000 It says, Isaiah 30, 28.

00:56:25.000 In his breath, an overflowing stream shall reach to the midst of the neck to sift The nation's with the civil vanity and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people causing them to err.

00:56:38.000 I have one of those in my jaw.

00:56:40.000 I have an antenna through the tip of my nose.

00:56:42.000 It's the exact same thing that's been exposed on MKUltra forums.

00:56:47.000 And I truly believe that a lot more people on this planet than myself just have these things in our bodies.

00:56:53.000 Well, I know a lot of people think that they have microchips implanted in them.

00:56:57.000 I know they have national mainstream television shows where they have Doug Vizzata people.

00:57:01.000 More often than not, though, People show up at my office, beat on the door, we come to it and they say, you know, look at it, it's firing beams at me, and I look up and it's the sun.

00:57:13.000 And I'm like, no man, that's the sun.

00:57:14.000 No, no, that's a fake sun, it follows me and shoots beams at me.

00:57:17.000 Look, you need to be on medication.

00:57:20.000 And you know, that's the problem with all of this, and people, I don't mean the colonies being on medication, I mean people who, who, Can't deal with all this stuff.

00:57:30.000 Because there are a lot of real things going on.

00:57:31.000 There were tens of thousands of chemical, biological, radiological tests, including a lot of them, killing Americans and U.S.

00:57:37.000 sailors and soldiers.

00:57:39.000 That's all declassified.

00:57:40.000 They take foster children all over the country and the world and experiment on them and sometimes kill them. 0.97

00:57:45.000 That's New York Daily News, you know, taking little black kids and giving them pesticides until they die.

00:57:50.000 Pharmaceutical companies knowingly having HIV in their blood products and killing hundreds of thousands of people.

00:57:57.000 That's all mainstream news.

00:57:59.000 But, and I've had serious people, you know, talk about, yeah, when I was a kid, you know, I was in a NASA school in Houston, and here's my NASA card, and here's how it happened to me, and they did a lot of weird, you know, things and drugged us.

00:58:14.000 And then I can go look up the program and find out it went on.

00:58:16.000 Things like that went on.

00:58:17.000 But then there's people who tell me that, you know, the satellites are shooting beams at their head.

00:58:23.000 And then I say, okay, I don't have time to talk to you, and they say, oh, are you involved?

00:58:26.000 And I'm like, no, so you definitely have schizophrenia, normal, just paranoid delusionals out there.

00:58:32.000 And then the general public sees them and thinks, oh, anybody who talks about there even being a trans-Texas corridor is schizophrenic, even though they have the billboards up.

00:58:40.000 So you've got to be careful in all of that.

00:58:45.000 And just because the mainstream media spins lies, gets it wrong, doesn't mean that the alternative media is right.

00:58:51.000 I mean, so much stuff I've seen in alternative media is ten times worse than even the mainstream media.

00:58:56.000 That's why I tell you, don't believe anything I'm saying.

00:58:59.000 If I tell you the CIA is running most local governments in the country, I have documentation.

00:59:04.000 Or if I tell you the CIA was running drills of flying hijacked jets in the World Trade Center and Pentagon at the exact same time, exact same targets on 9-11, I told you that two years before it was in USA Today.

00:59:16.000 You know, what does that mean?

00:59:17.000 Well, they carry out drills so that people and other agencies in the NSA, when they pick up the terror chatter, think it's part of the drill.

00:59:24.000 It also confused NORAD, where they had 24 blips superimposed on their screens during the drill, so they couldn't track down the real aircraft and send the fighter jets to the right place.

00:59:33.000 And we told you that years before it came out and the tape couldn't release.

00:59:35.000 Let's now admit it.

00:59:36.000 I had Pentagon sources.

00:59:38.000 Or I tell you that the hijackers... We don't know what happened exactly on the planes.

00:59:42.000 We just know they were U.S.

00:59:43.000 government agents from the embassy heads, who were ordered to let them back into the country and told they were CIA, to the FBI agents that have said this, to the Dean of the Defense Language School who said he was forced to train the terrorists.

00:59:53.000 That's the head of the school, what public told the AP that.

00:59:55.000 Then it got under the rug.

00:59:57.000 All we know is these guys work for our government.

00:59:59.000 Boy, that's suspicious!

01:00:01.000 We need to have a discussion of that.

01:00:02.000 Or firefighters said they were told they'd get back, the government was going to blow up Building 7.

01:00:05.000 We have them on tape.

01:00:06.000 They've been interviewed.

01:00:09.000 See, and the stuff I talk about is hard for people to deal with enough, but then you have the Mexican Attorney General three years ago making his employees take implantable chips.

01:00:19.000 You have U.S.

01:00:19.000 companies making people take chips.

01:00:21.000 I have police chiefs on who say they want to make the public take chips.

01:00:24.000 The police chief of Bergen County, they have police chiefs for the county there in New Jersey, a million two in that county.

01:00:32.000 I've got articles where they want to chip UK prisoners.

01:00:35.000 They're trying to chip people in Mexico, the immigrants that come in with implantable chips. 1.00

01:00:40.000 So, look, here's a story right here.

01:00:43.000 I said I'd go to your calls.

01:00:45.000 CIA confirms Ventura meeting occurred.

01:00:48.000 Now, this is how they did it.

01:00:50.000 Fifteen years ago, they said, we're going to build threat matrix.

01:00:53.000 Threat integration, emergency management centers in four county areas and rural areas, pooling resources, and in big cities like Austin or Dallas or even mega cities like New York.

01:01:05.000 We're going to build these centers.

01:01:06.000 And first it's to track traffic with the cameras.

01:01:09.000 Then they go, oh, we're upgrading you.

01:01:10.000 Of course, it was built to begin with.

01:01:12.000 I've read government documents on this.

01:01:15.000 Then they go, oh, now we're going to use the cameras for crime.

01:01:17.000 And oh, now there's a software package that scans their faces and their driver's license and measures their ears and knows the shape of their face and tracks them.

01:01:26.000 And we can type in a code and track anybody off their cell phone, even if it's turned off, and track them down to 15 feet.

01:01:32.000 Remember, I was telling you this on radio 12 years ago?

01:01:35.000 A lot of you have been listening for over a decade.

01:01:38.000 Now it's all being introduced to you.

01:01:40.000 Now it's being admitted.

01:01:41.000 And I knew 10 years ago they had Special forces, troops, in every major city with the police working covertly.

01:01:49.000 Even most cops don't know it's compartmentalized.

01:01:51.000 Need to know basis.

01:01:53.000 I knew they had CIA at every Capitol.

01:01:55.000 I've said this hundreds of times.

01:01:56.000 I even read government documents on there.

01:01:59.000 Then they started mentioning after 9-11, oh yeah, the CIA is going to be every city with the FBI and local cops liaisoning.

01:02:04.000 Well, it's illegal for them to operate domestically, but not advise people.

01:02:09.000 Well, it came out in Minnesota Public Radio, covered it also, the Pioneer Press, their big paper covered it.

01:02:16.000 When Ventura first went to work in 99, there were 23 CIA agents waiting for him, and they just basically said, this is the shadow government, we're here to liaison with you, we're the real government.

01:02:27.000 And the CIA jokingly says, well, I didn't know we had that going on, but even if I did, I'm not supposed to tell you.

01:02:35.000 Mainly, they're there to run the smack and the coke. 1.00

01:02:38.000 Make sure, you know, that the wrong people don't get busted and the right people do.

01:02:41.000 I want to say hi to all the guys that run Austin out there.

01:02:44.000 You really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

01:02:45.000 I'll be right back with Benjamin Fulford from Japan.

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01:07:06.000 ...in the interview.

01:07:24.000 So, you can see that the Japanese women are in the interview.

01:07:24.000 That's a member of the Japanese Diet official questioning the 9-11 story, and he held up big color cards of different video clips, audio clips, government diagrams, design diagrams, stills of video of the collapse of Building 7.

01:07:43.000 One of the clips he holds up One of the stills of clips he holds up is a group of firefighters, including a firefighting captain, talking about molten steel, which actually takes about 3,500 degrees.

01:07:56.000 People are standing in the holes in the buildings.

01:07:58.000 It won't melt them, but then the building collapses and there's molten steel.

01:08:02.000 Giant pools of it five weeks later at 2,600 degrees.

01:08:07.000 This is one of the things that the Japanese were playing in Parliament, in their government.

01:08:11.000 Here it is.

01:08:13.000 Down below you see molten steel.

01:08:17.000 Molten steel, running down the channel rails.

01:08:20.000 Like you're in a foundry.

01:08:22.000 Yeah.

01:08:23.000 Like lava.

01:08:23.000 Like lava in a volcano.

01:08:26.000 And they also played the clips of firefighters after firefighters after police.

01:08:29.000 That is, the stills of them.

01:08:30.000 And they gave the web addresses on television going, bombs going off.

01:08:34.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:08:35.000 They told us, get back.

01:08:36.000 You got cops doing a countdown.

01:08:37.000 All right, it's coming down in 20 seconds.

01:08:39.000 Then we even got the witnesses who were in the video with the cops doing the countdown.

01:08:43.000 I said, everybody start running.

01:08:44.000 They blow Building 7 up.

01:08:46.000 Okay, joining us to talk about this, joining us to talk about just an amazing story.

01:08:50.000 I have to have him back for a third time.

01:08:52.000 He joins us from Japan.

01:08:53.000 He, of course, went to college for Asian Studies, speaks Japanese, Chinese, been a writer for Forbes many years, financial writer, so they wouldn't let him write the big stories.

01:09:02.000 He quit, wasn't fired, and he talks to people in the Emperor's family, you name it.

01:09:07.000 Benjamin Fulford, and Mr. Fulford, you're on the inside over there.

01:09:12.000 What does it mean to have one of the leaders of the second largest party in Japan openly asking the President about this, and going for 30 minutes through all this evidence on national Japanese television?

01:09:29.000 Well, you know, I think that what's happening here is really We're witnessing the end of what's called the 1955 Order.

01:09:40.000 That's the government imposed by the CIA and right-wing militarists on Japan after World War II.

01:09:49.000 And I think that Japan is going to try to become independent again.

01:09:54.000 Now, this does not mean... I mean, the opposition party, you know, really make the public know about all this stuff.

01:10:03.000 And opinion polls show that they're very likely to take power this year.

01:10:09.000 In fact, it's very unlikely for the ruling party to be able to stay in power any longer because they are extremely unpopular.

01:10:17.000 It's not just because of their participation in the so-called War on Terror, but also because of a series of scandals, including a big military procurement scandal Which could involve, you know, lots of senior U.S.

01:10:32.000 government officials as well.

01:10:34.000 Bribes, you know, related to the purchase of U.S.

01:10:38.000 military equipment by the Japanese Armed Forces.

01:10:41.000 The Japanese public, of course, 80-plus percent in major polls.

01:10:44.000 Correct me if I'm wrong.

01:10:45.000 People who have lived there for many years want our military out.

01:10:47.000 I don't blame them.

01:10:49.000 But expanding on that, it's not just the Japanese government now questioning high-level people.

01:10:56.000 It is the former and one of the most popular.

01:10:58.000 He served seven years.

01:10:59.000 That's a long time in Italy.

01:11:00.000 The former head of intelligence.

01:11:02.000 He went public a month ago to their biggest paper and said, yes, 9-11 was carried out by the U.S.

01:11:06.000 government completely.

01:11:08.000 From start to finish, we all knew that from the beginning.

01:11:11.000 And then he went on to say, by the way, the U.S.

01:11:12.000 government staged the attacks here in the 80s to blame it on the communists.

01:11:15.000 By the way, he was an anti-communist himself.

01:11:17.000 This is not some leftist saying this.

01:11:19.000 Now, we've had the head of the German parliament, Andres von Bülow, also the former head of their intelligence agency, going public.

01:11:25.000 Then another previous head of German intelligence.

01:11:28.000 This is the head of German intelligence.

01:11:29.000 has gone public saying inside job.

01:11:31.000 We have British parliamentarians going public saying inside job.

01:11:35.000 We have Bill Christensen, former CIA section chief, Europe, going public.

01:11:38.000 We have Robert Baer, who the movie Siriana is about, the most highly decorated living CIA case officer, field commander going public, saying all the evidence says inside job.

01:11:47.000 I could go on for 10 hours.

01:11:48.000 Bill Doyle, the head of the biggest 9-11 victims family group, he lost his son, Joey.

01:11:54.000 Since the majority of them believe it's an inside job.

01:11:56.000 I've interviewed all these people.

01:11:57.000 I mean, how far is this going to go?

01:11:59.000 I mean, is it starting to unravel, Benjamin Fulford?

01:12:02.000 Well, you know, I do think we're in a situation somewhat like in East Germany just before the Berlin Wall collapse.

01:12:10.000 I think we're looking at an end to a secret government that has ruled the West for 300 years.

01:12:16.000 It's really an amazing historical time where we're headed for.

01:12:19.000 I'm sure of it.

01:12:20.000 It's also very dangerous.

01:12:21.000 Now, you independently, I've looked you up and you've been covered by the national news with your claims.

01:12:26.000 I mean, you've written some of the biggest scandal articles, huge corruption stories in finance, in technology, in Japan.

01:12:33.000 You've got the biggest interviews with prime ministers, presidents, corporate heads, the royal family.

01:12:38.000 You're the real deal and you make these unbelievable claims.

01:12:41.000 You get David Rockefeller interviews like that even after you leave Forbes.

01:12:45.000 And then you make all these amazing claims that you learned all this stuff that totally checks out with all my separate research about the global plan to exterminate 80% of us, how the Asians are freaked out.

01:12:56.000 I know the US had to deal with China to carry that out in the 70s.

01:12:59.000 And so everything you say fits with what I know.

01:13:03.000 It's just so incredible that you learned about this from the Asian angle.

01:13:07.000 Start just in a nutshell, like you're talking to five-year-olds.

01:13:10.000 I mean, let's say I've never heard this before.

01:13:12.000 Explain to me what you discovered, what the Asian Mafia... I say that, I know they're a secret society, but the public doesn't believe those exist.

01:13:21.000 Explain what the Asian Mafia told you. 0.89

01:13:22.000 Break it down.

01:13:24.000 Well, I mean, I was for a long time a believer in the sort of mainstream corporate propaganda and their whole worldview.

01:13:34.000 And I got into this stuff Not through the internet, but directly, you know, through interviews and stuff.

01:13:42.000 So I ran into it first-hand, and then I started reading up, you know, about the history of all this stuff.

01:13:48.000 But, I mean, in a nutshell, what happened was, I started studying... I was a financial journalist, and then I got involved in the bad debt issues.

01:14:00.000 And then I found out that most of the bad debt was held by gangsters, which just didn't make sense, right?

01:14:06.000 So I started to find gangsters to interview, the Yakuza mobsters, and they explained to me that they were middlemen.

01:14:13.000 They just took all these bad loans, and they took a percentage, and then their money was disappearing into the hands of politicians.

01:14:21.000 So I started uncovering also a systematic series of murders, where they would make it look like a suicide, but it was actually a murder of senior government officials.

01:14:34.000 And I was thinking, well, you know, and I was just really appalled.

01:14:38.000 I thought the Japanese government was horrible.

01:14:40.000 And I was going to write a book in English that was going to completely blow these people up, name names, name people, you know, even prime ministers involved in murders here. 0.97

01:14:50.000 I was going to do all that, and then I would have to either be killed or get the hell out of Japan. 0.99

01:14:54.000 I sent two chapters to my agent, and the very next day I got a call from the granddaughter of the Meiji Emperor, saying, hey, you should not get the gangsters angry.

01:15:05.000 and And it was, you know, amazing timing.

01:15:08.000 She told me later that it was the Japanese security police who suggested I call.

01:15:13.000 And she called me and, you know, and she gave me a 9-1-1 video that, um, a long, quiet one.

01:15:20.000 Stay there.

01:15:20.000 I want to talk about this on the other side.

01:15:22.000 And for the loaded phones, we'll jam you in.

01:15:24.000 Okay, as it all ties into the same thing, everybody patiently holding.

01:15:27.000 We're going to get to you.

01:15:28.000 Our guest is Benjamin Fulford.

01:15:30.000 BenjaminFulford.com is the website.

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01:15:38.000 It's all coming up after this quick break with the news and a lot more.

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01:21:01.000 But we're going to do a Part 3 with Mr. Fulford later this week or next week, if he'll do it.

01:21:04.000 Probably have him on for two hours.

01:21:05.000 He just has too much information.

01:21:07.000 Benjamin Fulford, again, is our guest.

01:21:09.000 BenjaminFulford.com is the website.

01:21:12.000 Again, Forbes writer, a lot of other big publications, big investigative journalist.

01:21:16.000 I mean, type his name in.

01:21:18.000 Look at the stuff for years.

01:21:19.000 How long... I mean, you studied Asian Studies, so you speak Japanese, Chinese, a lot of other languages.

01:21:24.000 I guess that's why you moved to Japan.

01:21:26.000 How long did you live in Japan before you learned all this?

01:21:29.000 Well, I mean, my first job when I came here in 1980 was in a bar as a bartender from 9 p.m.

01:21:37.000 to 5 a.m., and the bar was owned and run by a gangster, so I always knew there was a kind of a hidden part of Japan, but it took about 20 years of reporting at the highest level before I started finally to figure out Well, I mean, for a long time, Japan was corrupt and that their democracy was a facade, but... Well, I mean, we know ever since MacArthur won, it was staged in a front. 0.74

01:22:02.000 Yeah, but I didn't know... and I'd heard little things like about, you know, they're all on the premise of being Freemasons, and I had little bits of evidence.

01:22:11.000 Well, as simply as you can.

01:22:12.000 I mean, bring this up to, you've gotten to the point where the Emperor's granddaughter comes to you, gives you a 9-11 film, says, look, there's something a lot bigger going on here, and then you learn it's about eugenics, and that the Asians don't want to be killed by the New World Order, and I'm telling you folks, normal people who have half a brain will see the info I've discovered in Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement, my new film,

01:22:33.000 And I learned Michael Crichton's written about it now, I'm learning everybody seems to know about it but me, that this is something that in circles of scientists and doctors and important people, that this is the big issue.

01:22:44.000 And Benjamin Fulford ran into this because he was again going to publish a book on the mob, and they came to him and said, look, we're just front men, continue.

01:22:52.000 Yeah, and when they gave me this 9-1-1 video, my state of mind was that, oh my God, you know, I'm not even going to look at this thing, you know?

01:23:00.000 I thought it was some kind of anti-semitic rant or something, right?

01:23:03.000 And I was shocked, but she kept calling me and saying... So you're still a mainstream guy, you don't believe in any conspiracies?

01:23:09.000 I didn't believe any of this stuff, right?

01:23:10.000 Yeah.

01:23:11.000 And I wasn't even going to watch it or listen to it, you know?

01:23:13.000 That was my state of mind.

01:23:15.000 I mean, I had been investigating Japan, but I just assumed that everything in the West was as reported by the New York Times, etc., you know?

01:23:23.000 And, but...

01:23:26.000 When I finally started to watch it, I mean, I know real information when I see it.

01:23:31.000 And the problem that happens to a lot of mainstream journalists and guys is they see the evidence about 9-1-1, but then they say, but no, wait a minute, why didn't the New York Times write about it?

01:23:41.000 Why didn't the Washington Post write about it?

01:23:43.000 Well, no, no, that's just too big.

01:23:45.000 I mean, that's too...

01:23:47.000 Two months to be possible, and they shut down their minds.

01:23:51.000 But now it's declassified.

01:23:53.000 One example I use of hundreds, because a lot of people have heard of this, it's been in Time and Newsweek, 40 years after, in the 90s, 40 years after the 50s, they admitted that the government took 4,000 plus foster children and put them in radiation tanks and murdered them, quote, to test radiation.

01:24:11.000 So that's 4,000 little kids!

01:24:13.000 That's admitted!

01:24:14.000 And people who can't believe 9-11, well, that's admitted! 0.96

01:24:17.000 Yeah, yeah, no, it's, uh, once you start seeing through all that, it's just...

01:24:22.000 You know, it really is like that movie, The Matrix, where you take the red pill or the blue pill.

01:24:27.000 You have to completely change your world view.

01:24:29.000 And then when you do, you get really angry.

01:24:32.000 Well, I mean, in 68, the army with the CIA was declassified, released a bacteria in the New York subway, dozens died, details remain classified. 0.98

01:24:40.000 They just, people randomly go into work, just kill them, you know. 0.89

01:24:44.000 Sorry, go ahead and continue.

01:24:45.000 Yeah, well, I mean, out here in Asia, I mean, they murdered about 5 million people in Korea even before the Korean War even started. 0.91

01:24:53.000 Uh, and, uh, you know, they covered, uh, Vietnam with, uh, poison, chemical warfare. 0.57

01:25:00.000 They used germ warfare out here.

01:25:01.000 There was a Japanese, uh, experimental unit called Unit 731.

01:25:06.000 Uh-huh.

01:25:06.000 They got all sorts of, uh... And the U.S.

01:25:10.000 pardoned all of them to come to the U.S.

01:25:12.000 and teach them.

01:25:13.000 Yeah, and then they've been developing it ever since, and they've been using it.

01:25:16.000 Uh, and, look, What they say, what they say in their, you know, nice talk when they want to sound reasonable, they say, look, you know, this planet is only big enough to support people, about one or two billion people, with a European lifestyle, right?

01:25:34.000 But what's really going on is they're totally terrified of losing control, and they realize that they don't have control over a lot of the people of the planet, and these people are getting powerful, and so they're scared.

01:25:47.000 They say, well, we have to kill them in order to maintain our control of the planet.

01:25:50.000 Now, Mr. Fulford, you got all this directly from the emperor's family, the government. 0.55

01:25:56.000 I mean, now the Japanese government's talking about 9-11 being an inside job on national TV, prime time for 30 minutes.

01:26:02.000 So for those in the U.S. listening, in Canada, England, Europe, this is really happening.

01:26:06.000 I want to explain to people.

01:26:09.000 You can go to the Royal Population Commission, paid for by His Highness in England.

01:26:13.000 It's public.

01:26:14.000 It's declassified.

01:26:16.000 Declassified in the 70s.

01:26:17.000 Conducted from 44 to 49. 0.96

01:26:20.000 And it says we've got to use war, famine, bio-weapons to kill off the majority of the third world. 0.98

01:26:26.000 We can't let them develop or they're going to threaten us.

01:26:29.000 Then we have the 1973 Henry Kissinger State Department Memorandum 200 U.S.

01:26:34.000 policy to reduce the world's population by at least half.

01:26:38.000 Then the Ted Turners, Prince Phillips, all giving speeches about how they want to kill 80% of us.

01:26:42.000 Dr. Eric Bianca at UT saying get rid of 90%.

01:26:44.000 For the general public that doesn't know, for anyone in the know, this is all the elite talk about.

01:26:49.000 Please continue, sir.

01:26:50.000 Yeah, well, I mean, out here, like, they had a secret, you know, plan to reduce the Japanese population. 1.00

01:26:58.000 They've been putting substances in the food supply and stuff that make them impotent, you know.

01:27:05.000 By the way, that came out in all the major Australian papers.

01:27:10.000 England was using Australia in 1956 to do that, and the Japanese tested the food and found out that is Sydney Morning Herald in all the major papers.

01:27:18.000 Again, for the public that doesn't know, absolutely true.

01:27:20.000 Go ahead.

01:27:21.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just... By impotent, it sterilized them, but go ahead.

01:27:26.000 Yeah, I mean, but the real kicker, right, was the SARS bacteria, because that was a germ warfare.

01:27:36.000 It was an artificially created virus.

01:27:37.000 And it's come out, by the way, since you've been saying this, that scientists do believe it's engineered. 0.97

01:27:43.000 Yeah, and not only that, it's engineered to only kill Asians. 0.98

01:27:49.000 And with all these soft kill weapons, it can still kill whites or Africans, if it's engineered for another group, because we're so similar, but it'll kill 10, 20 times as many. 0.98

01:28:00.000 You know, you've got like a 100% chance of your Asian to die, and like a 5% chance of your white. 1.00

01:28:06.000 Yeah, that's about right. 0.62

01:28:07.000 Just like AIDS is a bioweapon, we even have the patent, but go ahead. 0.55

01:28:11.000 Yeah, well, what happened though is when people caught on about SARS, right?

01:28:19.000 This is when the Asians decided it was time to fight back. 0.99

01:28:25.000 Because, you know, I mean, they don't like mass murder.

01:28:28.000 And by the way, that was just a test weapon.

01:28:30.000 They always do that.

01:28:30.000 That was just how it would spread, how the Asians would deal with it.

01:28:33.000 Well, I think it was more of a failed experiment.

01:28:37.000 I mean, they were hoping it would kill a lot more people than it did.

01:28:39.000 The intel I've got is it was a soft kill test.

01:28:43.000 Well, that could well be.

01:28:46.000 But, you know, and the thing to remember, too, and I know you're aware of this, is that the plan for a new project for New American Century, the people, you know, Cheney and... Yeah, Dick Cheney openly wrote and said we need to use these... These are public documents, so we need to raise specific weapons, we need to legitimize their use, yes.

01:29:06.000 Yeah, they said... So the agents... All weapons that can target a particular ethnic group or genotype would be a useful political tool.

01:29:16.000 I mean, you know, murdering certain groups of people is a useful tool. 1.00

01:29:19.000 That's their attitude.

01:29:20.000 That's their mindset.

01:29:21.000 BenjaminFulford.com.

01:29:23.000 We're not in Kansas anymore.

01:29:24.000 Final segment.

01:29:25.000 My producer's in there right now.

01:29:26.000 We've got to sit in the sky for two hours.

01:29:27.000 But I know my daytime show in the week is in the middle of the night for Benjamin.

01:29:31.000 But final segment with you, sir.

01:29:32.000 Unbelievable.

01:29:33.000 And I'm only throwing stuff in over him because everything he's saying I've documented in triplicate.

01:29:37.000 He's getting it directly from people that are under the gun. 0.99

01:29:40.000 By the way, they plan to kill most whites, too. 0.99

01:29:42.000 Just wanted to let you know that. 1.00

01:29:43.000 But we come last.

01:29:44.000 We'll be right back.

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01:33:59.000 Well, we're going to have to have Benjamin Fulbright back on for at least two hours.

01:34:12.000 We've got some calls I want to get to here in just a moment.

01:34:16.000 Benjamin Fulford, in the next interview we'll vet out all the details so much.

01:34:22.000 But bottom line, this is real.

01:34:24.000 The Asians are upset about it.

01:34:26.000 I believe your story.

01:34:29.000 The establishment over here is just used to always winning and it's really gotten decadent.

01:34:36.000 From your intel, what's now happening as the West finds out that the Asians are aware of their operation? 0.98

01:34:45.000 Yeah, and it really is an Asian secret society. 0.86

01:34:50.000 It really has 6 million members of them, 1.8 million, all the Asian gangsters are in there, and they extend to the highest levels of government in Japan, China, Vietnam, throughout Asia. 0.89

01:35:04.000 This is a really powerful organization, and it only moves For the greater good.

01:35:09.000 It's not like some sort of money-making criminal society, although all the crime gangs are involved.

01:35:15.000 And they have a list of 10,000 names, all the Bilderbergers, Council of Foreign Relations, all these people, the so-called Illuminati, or whatever you want to call them.

01:35:26.000 And they can have them killed if it really comes to it.

01:35:29.000 So, you know, the idea I gave them was, target the eye on the top of the pyramid. 0.99

01:35:35.000 Don't bother with their hired, you know, thugs.

01:35:38.000 Just go straight for those people.

01:35:40.000 But see, you have these groups telling you, because you're going to write this big expose, that, and this is where I, and this is where we've got to talk about in the next interview, I have no doubt these are elite groups.

01:35:49.000 I have no doubt that the elite is doing this, or the Asians are concerned. 1.00

01:35:52.000 That's even come out some.

01:35:54.000 My whole situation is, the CIA came in in 75, this is public, it's endgame coverage, George Bush Senior was the Chinese ambassador from the U.S.

01:36:05.000 He went and got them to sign on to the one-child policy that started as fines and fees and became law in 1981.

01:36:10.000 They're now trying to do it here in Australia.

01:36:12.000 And the Asians in China, the most populous Asian nation, billion, 300 million now, signed on to that.

01:36:18.000 They got 30 million more males than they now have females.

01:36:22.000 Big crisis.

01:36:23.000 They signed on to it.

01:36:24.000 Now you say, well, there's this secret society and I know that there is the big, you know, things above the triads.

01:36:29.000 I understand that.

01:36:30.000 That's in the history books.

01:36:30.000 That's real.

01:36:32.000 It's admitted.

01:36:32.000 The general public doesn't know it exists, but they can't find the U.S.

01:36:35.000 on a map.

01:36:35.000 So, you know, they're a heifer hole in the ground.

01:36:38.000 So, Benjamin Fulbright, I mean, how do you know that these groups aren't coming to you and at least giving you partial truth?

01:36:45.000 Because it looks like to me that the Asian groups at the top are bought and paid for by the New World Order. 0.99

01:36:50.000 Or are you saying now that maybe that's coming to an end?

01:36:53.000 Well, that's coming to an end.

01:36:54.000 I mean, there has been some business transactions at high levels of different sorts, but, you know, when they try to murder them with disease, that just blows the whole thing away.

01:37:03.000 I mean, that's a deal-breaker, you know?

01:37:06.000 And sure, the Chinese have this birth control policy, because, I mean, let's face it, there's 1.3 billion people, and for a long time, a lot of those people were starving to death.

01:37:16.000 No, I know, but I mean, they signed onto that, they're in the hip pocket of the West, you know, they own our debt.

01:37:21.000 I'm just saying, the Communist Chinese were put in by our government, that's mainstream news now.

01:37:26.000 Big Dirty Secret, and we talked about that Friday, Benjamin.

01:37:29.000 My point is, and I understand it's a deal-breaker to want to get rid of all of them, so you're saying the Chinese early on said, oh, that sounds reasonable, but now they're firing out the full story? 0.99

01:37:37.000 Well, yeah, and also, I mean, the other thing you must remember is that although the Communist government was set up by the Americans and stuff, it's no longer under their control.

01:37:48.000 They kicked them out in the 1960s.

01:37:54.000 We have not had control since then.

01:37:56.000 You can tell Russia and China nearly went to war in the 1960s.

01:38:01.000 The Sino-Soviet split?

01:38:03.000 The Soviet Union, yeah.

01:38:04.000 And that marks the point when they broke away from control.

01:38:08.000 I don't know.

01:38:08.000 I think when Mao died and they arrested his wife, that marked at least that they quit killing 10 million people a year and cut back to a million or so.

01:38:16.000 But I don't know.

01:38:17.000 Well, yeah, but anyway, this group is separate from the communist government there being their enemies.

01:38:23.000 And they also, like I said, they extend to the government in Japan.

01:38:26.000 I mean, it transcends... No, I know, it goes back to when they were invaded by the Mongols and they had to go underground.

01:38:32.000 I certainly concur with your analysis there.

01:38:34.000 Well, Benjamin Fulford, BenjaminFulford.com, I want to commend you for coming on.

01:38:38.000 Can you come back on with us in the next couple of weeks for longer?

01:38:41.000 Sure, absolutely.

01:38:43.000 Hopefully we can find a mutually comfortable time.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, well I know it's... What time is it in Japan right now?

01:38:50.000 Well, here and now it's fine.

01:38:51.000 It's 8 in the morning.

01:38:52.000 It's almost 9.

01:38:53.000 Yeah, and my daytime show I guess will be about 3 in the morning.

01:38:56.000 I hope you can stay up for us to do that.

01:38:58.000 Yeah, I can do that.

01:39:00.000 That's the mega audience right there.

01:39:02.000 This is like 20-something affiliates and the other one's got almost 70 now.

01:39:06.000 It's growing again.

01:39:07.000 Shortwave internet, satellite, all that.

01:39:09.000 Well, Benjamin Fulford, next time we'll talk about when this is all coming to a head.

01:39:13.000 Just in a nutshell, from your sources, do they believe we're coming towards a flashpoint or a crisis point, or is the West going to back off, or what's happening?

01:39:22.000 Well, I mean, that's up to them.

01:39:25.000 I think that underground, The West is already lost.

01:39:31.000 You know, it's a question of how to make it public.

01:39:34.000 I mean, they cannot really fight Asia. 0.99

01:39:38.000 They just don't have the military ability.

01:39:40.000 They don't have the economic ability.

01:39:42.000 It's no longer possible for them to put these people down.

01:39:46.000 I mean, a turning point has been reached.

01:39:49.000 So, in a way, you can say that 300 years of Western domination of the planet is coming to an end.

01:39:55.000 And that'll mean a permanent end to warfare, because it's the West that has always been fomenting war. 0.75

01:40:03.000 It's been their business, you know?

01:40:05.000 Well, that's been the specialty, absolutely.

01:40:07.000 Well, we'll talk to you again very, very soon, Mr. Fulford.

01:40:12.000 Thank you so much for spending time with us.

01:40:14.000 Well, thanks for calling.

01:40:16.000 We all want to change the world.

01:40:17.000 You bet.

01:40:18.000 And this system here, this studio, drives me absolutely up the wall.

01:40:24.000 Thank you, Benjamin, for spending time with us.

01:40:26.000 My computer system just shut down.

01:40:28.000 Put him on hold and get him set up.

01:40:30.000 Thank you. 0.99

01:40:31.000 Every time I try to go to my calls, it locks up and makes me enter a bunch of codes to get on the stupid computer. 0.99

01:40:37.000 You just can't conduct business with a system like this. 0.99

01:40:45.000 Okay, let's go ahead now and go back and take your calls.

01:40:49.000 Here at the end, I cut off that huge guest.

01:40:52.000 Just so we can take your calls.

01:40:55.000 I apologize you had to hold so long.

01:40:56.000 We're going to have a show here coming up soon.

01:40:58.000 We're actually taking them.

01:40:59.000 A Patriot in Pennsylvania.

01:41:00.000 You're on the air.

01:41:01.000 Go ahead.

01:41:03.000 Go ahead.

01:41:04.000 You're on the air.

01:41:07.000 Okay.

01:41:08.000 He's gone.

01:41:08.000 Boom.

01:41:09.000 Let's talk to Tony in San Fran.

01:41:12.000 You're on the air.

01:41:12.000 Welcome.

01:41:13.000 Hey, Alex.

01:41:14.000 Hi.

01:41:14.000 Happy Sunday to you, man.

01:41:15.000 Thank you.

01:41:16.000 Hey, a few days ago I quoted you on one of my mailing lists about how, you know, the whole autism, the shots and stuff like that, and how kids, what we say, happens after 18 months and they have seizures and stuff.

01:41:32.000 And I posted that on one of my mailing lists and then somebody countered it by posting this article titled, Removing Tamarisol from Vaccines Did Not Reduce Autism.

01:41:41.000 Total fraud!

01:41:42.000 You think so?

01:41:43.000 Absolutely.

01:41:44.000 We have a big article that was financed by two big vaccine makers and of course you notice Merck that gave you the arthritis medicine that makes you have a heart attack that sells you the HPV that actually doubles your risk of getting that very cancer.

01:41:58.000 It doesn't even cover you for cancer.

01:41:59.000 It's a live cancer virus shot.

01:42:02.000 This is how it was done.

01:42:04.000 Well, he's had a big vaccine recall, and let me try to answer it as succinctly as possible.

01:42:09.000 What they did was study, in the last seven years, since 2001, controlled lots of people, because what the Food and Drug Administration said in 2001 was, we want vaccine makers to make lots available of non-thimerosal.

01:42:25.000 So you can find and order, and they cost about three times as much, those.

01:42:29.000 And for anybody that doubts this, go to the doctor, say, I want a vaccine, and then when they try it out, say, I want to see the insert, and it's going to say thimerosal.

01:42:38.000 Just do that.

01:42:39.000 Don't believe me.

01:42:40.000 Just experience it for yourself, or look at the latest vaccines.

01:42:43.000 Go online on their own websites and read what they have in them.

01:42:48.000 They had the mercury.

01:42:49.000 In fact, the flu shots went to four or five times, depending on the shot, more mercury than they had before.

01:42:56.000 So they say, oh, it's exploding, but we took the mercury out.

01:42:59.000 Oh, it must not be the shots when they never took the mercury out.

01:43:02.000 They made lots available.

01:43:04.000 This is the same government, sir, that says there's a law you have to take shots if you go to public school.

01:43:09.000 There is no law.

01:43:10.000 They have the army recruiters in the school saying it's the law that you've got to take military exams and sign up and join the military.

01:43:16.000 Have you heard about all the recruiters getting busted saying it's the law you've got to sign up?

01:43:20.000 Oh yeah, I've heard that.

01:43:21.000 They lie, sir, and don't believe me, just check it out.

01:43:25.000 I appreciate everything you're doing, Alex.

01:43:27.000 I've listened to your show a lot, and I've been listening to the shows in the last two or three weeks with all the guests you've had, Michael Rivero and Daniel Estillin and those last guests you just had on.

01:43:38.000 A lot of good information is being put out, and I really appreciate people like We Are Change going and chasing these people down and making them be accountable for what they're doing to us.

01:43:49.000 I hear you, my friend.

01:43:51.000 We've had so many great guests on today, but that's at the expense of not being able to take your calls.

01:43:55.000 And it just makes me so mad how they lie about these vaccines.

01:43:58.000 Go read the insert, the HPV shot.

01:44:00.000 Do not believe me.

01:44:01.000 Go to Google, type HPV Merck.

01:44:04.000 It will take you to their website.

01:44:06.000 Read it.

01:44:08.000 Go read the Prozac website where it increases suicide and violent actions and depression.

01:44:13.000 That's an oxymoron.

01:44:14.000 It doesn't make you happy.

01:44:16.000 I'm not lying to you, and these companies and the media are, and I'm sick of it, and I'm sorry to Andrew, Franklin, Paula, Bill, Keebler, everybody.

01:44:26.000 Call me back tomorrow, and I'm on during the day, or call me back next Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

01:44:30.000 Central.

01:44:31.000 We'll start taking more of your calls.

01:44:31.000 We'll have a show.

01:44:33.000 Great transmission tonight, though.

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01:44:40.000 Take care.

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Alex Jones Show - January 13, 2008

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