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00:00:25.000 Coming up in the next segment, we're going to have Paul Grudy on.

00:00:30.000 He was the head of the funeral home that took in the body of who they claim was Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:00:36.000 They then, uh, government came in and made him put his handprints, fingerprints, on the Magna Carta Cano rifle that they claim shot Kennedy, uh, three shots in six seconds.

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00:03:21.000 Now, as I said, in closing, we're going to come back and get into the JFK assassination with just an amazing eyewitness, and I'm very kind, very nice person.

00:03:34.000 I enjoyed meeting his son, who I saw at a talk fest this weekend.

00:03:37.000 I enjoyed meeting Mr. Groody.

00:03:39.000 And, of course, also he has his wife here with him today, and she's just a sweetheart.

00:03:43.000 So it's great to have this gentleman here with us.

00:03:48.000 He enlisted in the United States Army and became a chaplain assistant and then surgical technician.

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00:03:55.000 My goodness, these guys are so great.

00:03:58.000 It's always good just to be able to talk to a World War II vet.

00:04:01.000 Both my grandfathers are now gone.

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00:04:07.000 And, uh, the other, uh, was in, uh, fighter planes, but, uh, I probably wouldn't be here, though.

00:04:11.000 He crashed pretty early in the war, and so he got injured and got out of it quick.

00:04:16.000 Because I know my other grandfather almost got killed in those B-17s.

00:04:18.000 So, I guess, hand to God there, you never know what happens, uh, in things, so you'll be around.

00:04:24.000 Because, you know, on a lot of those missions, they would lose half of their aircraft.

00:04:28.000 That's how dangerous it was going into Italy, going into Germany, going into the Balkans, up against the Nazis.

00:04:36.000 Most of my grandfathers, again, were in the European Theater of Operations.

00:04:39.000 Even worse, or as bad, out there, of course, in the Pacific.

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00:08:11.000 Paul Grudy was born in Washington, Kansas on February 22, 1919, George Washington's birthday.

00:08:20.000 After high school and college, Paul graduated from the Williams Institute of Mortuary Science.

00:08:26.000 He enlisted in the United States Army and became a chaplain's assistant and a surgical technician.

00:08:30.000 After being honorably discharged, he returned to civilian life to build cemeteries, homes, and mortuaries.

00:08:36.000 Paul was the licensed undertaker and funeral director in charge of the burial, subsequent exhumation, exhuming, and reburial of Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:08:45.000 And he retired at 85 years of age, and he is He is as sharp as a tack and we are honored to have him here in studio with us.

00:08:57.000 Mr. Grudy, thanks for being here.

00:08:58.000 I'm just glad to do it.

00:09:01.000 We appreciate the fact that after all these years, we can still talk about it and enjoy the fact that it is something that the public is still interested in.

00:09:14.000 Absolutely.

00:09:15.000 Tell us about growing up, World War II, a little bit about yourself and then how you got into the mortuary business leading up to the tragic assassination in 1963.

00:09:23.000 My father happened to be a part of the family that had a mortuary in Ohio.

00:09:33.000 And because of that background, I was inclined, and my brother was also inclined, to become a mortician.

00:09:41.000 Being around the business, we might say, for 75 years, that's a long time to be in anything.

00:09:50.000 And it's only those who are honestly dedicated that can be in this business because we're at a service all the time.

00:10:00.000 We are the ones that had to do what most folks didn't really ever want to do, and that was to go to a home or to go where somebody had died or been killed.

00:10:13.000 We're the ones that had to clean up that sort of mess that always exists around that kind of death.

00:10:24.000 Continuing from there, so you were trained as a mortician before you went to World War II?

00:10:29.000 Absolutely.

00:10:30.000 I was a licensed bomber and funeral director.

00:10:32.000 You have to get a license to do so.

00:10:35.000 I handled a lot of bodies.

00:10:39.000 Matter of fact, in the Williams Institute of Mortuary Sciences, it was required that we deal with at least eight I happen to be so easily accessible and so interested in it, I had 88 instead of just 8.

00:10:58.000 Because of my background there, I ended up in the medical field with the Army, and because of that, every pathologist that ever came around and was in a base hospital wherever we were stationed in the States or overseas, They would hunt me up because I could assist that pathologist with an autopsy, whereas to find somebody who had that kind of background, it was a little unusual.

00:11:26.000 And then you got even more training in World War II.

00:11:28.000 You were in the Pacific Theater?

00:11:29.000 I mean in the... Yes.

00:11:32.000 We were the infantry regiment that were the ones that fought in the Bulge.

00:11:39.000 So you were in the European Theater?

00:11:40.000 Yes, we were European Theater.

00:11:42.000 We ended up going into Le Havre, going through France and up into Germany, fought the Germans, and at that time we knew it was winding down because the Germans were running out of and out of ammunition, and my jeep would go to get supplies, and they would come back, and there would be a dozen Germans hanging on his jeep, because they knew it was over.

00:12:07.000 But one interesting little story I think is quite important.

00:12:11.000 Because of the fact that they were winding down, it didn't make a lot of difference, but a German Red Cross agent, one who was an honest-to-goodness medic like I was, came across the line and said, Sergeant, can I end up working with you guys, Sergeant, can I end up working with you guys, because we know we're ending the war.

00:12:32.000 He was using perfect English, and I said, how come you can talk such good?

00:12:36.000 Oh, he said, I've been to the States.

00:12:38.000 I've been around.

00:12:39.000 My family's been around.

00:12:40.000 And he said, if I could work with you guys, I would sure like that.

00:12:45.000 And I said, come on, we always could use extra help because we were still in the war.

00:12:50.000 We were still fighting.

00:12:51.000 They were still shooting at us.

00:12:52.000 Do you know that the Red Cross man who is the representative of the American Red Cross was a part of our outfit?

00:13:01.000 He lost his Jeep and this young German found out about it and he told the man, he said, you lost your Jeep?

00:13:10.000 He said, yeah, it blew up.

00:13:11.000 He said, I hit a mine and it tore it up.

00:13:13.000 He said, I don't have a vehicle.

00:13:15.000 He said, you just sit still a while.

00:13:17.000 He said, I'll be back.

00:13:18.000 He went across the line, went over to the motor pool on the German side and came driving back in a great big German Mercedes

00:13:28.000 I mean, so this gave you even more training in death, in firearms, in what the ballistics of a bullet going through flesh look like.

00:13:51.000 I mean, I don't want to make you tell any war stories, but what were some of the most amazing or harrowing things that you saw while you were in Europe?

00:13:58.000 Well, of course they were bringing me not only the Americans who had been injured and hit by ammunition or by a bomb or whatever.

00:14:07.000 They were bringing that through my aid station and we would take care of the best we could.

00:14:12.000 Then we'd send them back to the base where they needed to go to get further help.

00:14:18.000 It was a matter of most fantastic that these boys were treated on the scene by my guys who were my medics out in the field and it was remarkable that they did save their lives and of course we were taking care of the Germans as much as we were the Americans because after all and those German boys who all said the same thing said we're sure glad you came along because you're going to get rid of Hitler and they didn't like it either.

00:14:47.000 That they had this battle to fight.

00:14:49.000 But if they spoke out against Hitler, they got executed.

00:14:51.000 That's it.

00:14:52.000 That's it.

00:14:53.000 And of course, we didn't know what happened to them after we sent them back.

00:14:57.000 But they were taken care of, that's for sure.

00:15:00.000 And after all these years, I found out that a lot of us at that time were never treated for the fact that the bombs going off and the ammunition that was used and the type of The death that we saw and the bad stuff stuck in our minds and they didn't recognize this.

00:15:24.000 Only now they do for the boys that are over in Iraq.

00:15:28.000 That they really realize that they're committing suicide and they are not being, they had a problem.

00:15:35.000 But we, back in those days, had no help whatsoever.

00:15:40.000 They didn't know that we were affected by the bombs and by the the death that was around us.

00:15:48.000 Your grandpa was in the air.

00:15:51.000 I saw them up in the air and fly over us.

00:15:55.000 And some of those planes were in bad shape because they had been riddled and hit.

00:16:01.000 We ended up going all the way across Germany, clear across Czechoslovakia, up to Czechoslovakia.

00:16:09.000 Now that was 1,300 miles away from La Havre.

00:16:15.000 They put us aboard little boxcars and took us back.

00:16:19.000 That was 1,300 miles.

00:16:21.000 Something affected me at the time that still carries over.

00:16:25.000 Do you know our car had a flat wheel?

00:16:28.000 It was thump, thump, thump, thump, thump all day long for about 1,300 miles.

00:16:34.000 And to realize today, when I go to a grocery store and get a cart and it's got a bumpy wheel, man, I get rid of that booger.

00:16:41.000 I can't stand that.

00:16:43.000 So this something carries over all these years later, realizing it was that many years later.

00:16:49.000 It's amazing.

00:16:50.000 Now, when we're going to break, I want to come back and get directly into the JFK assassination and the part you play in that whole saga and story that is now coming to a head, finally, in closure today.

00:17:02.000 Paul Gritty, what were you doing on that horrible day in 1963 when the president was killed?

00:17:11.000 We were at the funeral home in Fort Worth.

00:17:15.000 And I was managing that theater home.

00:17:18.000 Secret Service called me and said, you are Paul Grudy.

00:17:22.000 We have checked into the records and found that you are a licensed mortician, that you did fight in the bones, that you fought in the war.

00:17:30.000 Secret Service said you come to Dallas and get the body of this man because we want your kind of guy to help us get the job done of Of knowing that this man was was embalmed and buried properly and that's how we did it.

00:17:47.000 Now, we did go to Dallas.

00:17:50.000 I did go to Dallas and pick up his body, brought him back to funeral home in Fort Worth, embalmed that body, made arrangements and buried him.

00:18:00.000 But a part of that that I think is so important, do you know the general public talks about Lee Harvey Oswald doing this.

00:18:09.000 I know his mother or knew his mother because she's gone.

00:18:13.000 She never was convinced that it was really Lee Harvey.

00:18:17.000 His brother, his wife, the two babies, and of course one thing about it, to think that this guy was pegged as the one who really did it, and it was proved that he did it, and Mama never could quite believe that that was her son to do a thing and Mama never could quite believe that that was her son to But they are decent people.

00:18:39.000 She was a lovely old lady. 0.99

00:18:41.000 His brother is a nice guy, always had good work.

00:18:45.000 He's the one that paid the bill to bury his brother.

00:18:48.000 His wife... 0.73

00:18:50.000 Took these two kids that they had and raised them, and they both graduated from the university, I understand, and they are such nice, wonderful girls and have their own families now.

00:19:02.000 And it shows that this guy, I always said, you know, one nut showed up and shot the president, and the second nut showed up and shot him, and that was Ruby, Jack Ruby.

00:19:17.000 And now, I didn't know, but maybe there was a third nut out there was going to come and shoot the undertaker.

00:19:23.000 I didn't know.

00:19:25.000 When we get back, I want to break down, I mean, as slowly as possible, as detailed as possible, Mr. Grudy.

00:19:33.000 I want to walk through what happened that day, then when Oswald got killed, how the Secret Service had you come get his body, how they had you put the fingerprints on it, and the rest of it, okay?

00:19:44.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back after this quick break with Paul Grudy.

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00:24:02.000 Before you slip into unconsciousness... Paul Grudy is our guest.

00:24:12.000 He was the funeral home director.

00:24:13.000 They had come out and pick up the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:24:18.000 He wanted to prove that it indeed was Oswald later because there have been debates about three guys with the same name, different people running around, but the big issue here is the Secret Service came and had him put his palm print of the dead body of Lee Harvey Oswald on the Malinker Carcano rifle.

00:24:36.000 So if you can, Mr. Groody, walk us through when you went and picked up his body and then later when they came back and had you put the palm print on there in as much detail as you can.

00:24:47.000 Just the fact that we knew good and well if they put a palm print on his hand that they would put the black Uh, ink all over his hand and we, I was concerned the fact that when they did that I had to clean it up again because I was the one going to have to bury this guy and I didn't want that black all over everything. 0.98

00:25:10.000 So it was a matter of asking them to be careful when they did this.

00:25:15.000 But they came to my preparation room as we call it and did actually apply his hand onto that rifle to prove that that rifle had the the handprint on it that was really Oswald's handprint and not somebody else.

00:25:33.000 Now, my end of things was, my job was to bury this man, and his mother said, yes, this is Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:25:44.000 His brother said, this is Lee Harvey.

00:25:47.000 His wife said it was him.

00:25:47.000 Here's the man.

00:25:50.000 Now, because of that, I had to type up a death certificate and file it, because that is my job.

00:25:57.000 And I had to prove that it was really Lee Harvey Oswald, and that's why I was convinced it was Lee Harvey.

00:26:02.000 Now, who did the shooting?

00:26:04.000 I absolutely do not know, but the Secret Service established the fact that they felt that that was who it was supposed to be.

00:26:11.000 I understand.

00:26:12.000 Let's walk through this now very slowly.

00:26:15.000 You know, go back in memory, Mr. Grudy.

00:26:17.000 You know, they come in, they take his hand, they put it where on the Mamlaker-Carcano rifle and be Was this the rifle, did they tell you this was the rifle that Oswald supposedly had?

00:26:30.000 This is what they told me, that they wanted to do that because this was the rifle that they got from the school book depository and that was the one that Oswald was supposed to have used.

00:26:43.000 Now, we don't know, I have no knowledge of the fact, were they telling me the truth?

00:26:49.000 Well, that's where all the speculation can come from.

00:26:52.000 Could have been some drummed-up deal.

00:26:55.000 We don't know.

00:26:56.000 I have no idea, but the one thing I had to establish was it wasn't really Lee Harvey.

00:27:01.000 So, therefore, I had the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:27:04.000 They knew I had the body of Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:27:07.000 Describe the layout.

00:27:09.000 Now, first, you got the body, was that the day after he was killed in Dallas, or when was that?

00:27:14.000 Yeah, well, he was killed that same day.

00:27:18.000 It was the day I went to Dallas after the autopsy had been performed, which is the following day after Ruby killed him.

00:27:25.000 So there was a lapse of one day.

00:27:28.000 Now, to know that Ruby did the shooting and I was on the inside of that body and I saw where the hole had been, where the bullet had gone in.

00:27:38.000 Now, the autopsy pathologist had saved that little hunk of skin where the bullet went in.

00:27:45.000 Now, Ruby did that, and it was so quick, there was an officer absolutely handcuffed to Oswald at the time.

00:27:54.000 On each side.

00:27:55.000 Yeah, and therefore, him walking up and shooting like he did, remarkable that it missed the rib, it would have ricocheted, it changed direction, and all of that, but I saw where it went through the rib, between the ribs, and lodged over on the other side of his between the ribs, and lodged over on the other side of I saw all that, so I know that that's where Ruby had hit him.

00:28:17.000 What killed him?

00:28:18.000 What killed him, that's right.

00:28:20.000 It went through his inferior vena caver, his aorta, which are the big artery and vein down your backbone.

00:28:27.000 It was definitely a lucky shot, as far as Ruby was concerned.

00:28:31.000 Couldn't have been any better, and...

00:28:34.000 And after all, I've been in this business, you know, for 75 years.

00:28:39.000 I've seen so much of that very thing happen.

00:28:41.000 Well, they say that the trauma medics see hundreds of times what any surgeon will ever see from gunshots from war.

00:28:48.000 Absolutely.

00:28:49.000 And to know that my experience overseas and with the bodies and people I was around and with all the army camps where people had been accidentally killed and whatnot and all the autopsies, I've been around thousands of them.

00:29:03.000 I saw what I saw and I know that this guy was killed by Ruby.

00:29:08.000 Now, I don't know who else.

00:29:09.000 They couldn't have substituted a body on me.

00:29:13.000 They would not have come up with a body that quick.

00:29:15.000 And the reason you bring this up is because then there became a big controversy about was it Oswald or not.

00:29:21.000 Oswald or not.

00:29:22.000 Now, I buried him.

00:29:24.000 17 years later, the head of the British Intelligence called me and said... Hold on, let's hear about this on the other side, OK?

00:29:32.000 OK.

00:29:33.000 We're going to come back with Paul Grudy on the other side.

00:29:33.000 We've got a break.

00:29:36.000 I want to go back again and have you go back to memory exactly what the Secret Service said, what they had you do with the hand, then the former head of British Intelligence calling you, the exhuming of the body.

00:29:47.000 We're going to talk about it all with Paul Grudy on the other side.

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00:33:00.000 We're back live, ladies and gentlemen. ladies and gentlemen.

00:33:26.000 Paul Grudy was born in Washington, Kansas, February 22, 1919.

00:33:32.000 After high school and college, Paul graduated from Williams Institute of Mortuary Science.

00:33:36.000 He enlisted in the United States Army and became a chaplain's assistant, was in the Battle of the Bulge, and then a surgical technician.

00:33:42.000 After being honorably discharged, he returned to civilian life.

00:33:45.000 To build cemeteries, homes, and mortuaries, Paul was the licensed undertaker at the funeral director in charge of the burial, subsequent exhumation, and reburial of Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:33:55.000 And you can just type Paul Grudy into the search engine and read all about him.

00:34:00.000 There are different encyclopedia entries, you name it, the Lee Harvey Oswald research page, and a lot more online by searching the keywords Paul Groody together.

00:34:11.000 Okay, Paul, this is such a big deal, I want to walk through this slower.

00:34:14.000 Describe that day, what you've been doing, if you remember, when the Secret Service came in, what they said to you, where the body was, what they had the rifle in, what they said the rifle was, in detail, as much detail as you can give us, walk through it slowly.

00:34:31.000 Alex, I knew that we were probably going to be harassed.

00:34:39.000 When I would walk out back of the funeral home, we counted 1,300 cameras back there behind us in our parking lot.

00:34:49.000 We knew we would be harassed.

00:34:51.000 When the Secret Service said, we're coming and we're going to want to make a print off of the hand of the man that you have, and we're going to blacken his hand and all, and I said, well, you guys be careful back there because I'm going to bury him and I don't want that black all over all his clothes and everything. 1.00

00:35:09.000 So they did.

00:35:10.000 They were careful.

00:35:11.000 Now, they took a handprint And took his hand and put it against the butt of the rifle that was supposed to be the rifle that this man used.

00:35:22.000 I don't know if it was the real one or what it was.

00:35:25.000 Do you remember their names?

00:35:26.000 No.

00:35:27.000 How were they holding it?

00:35:28.000 Was it in a box?

00:35:29.000 No, it was in a case.

00:35:31.000 So they came in and took it out?

00:35:31.000 It was in a case.

00:35:33.000 Took it out and blackened his hand and pressed his hand on the butt of that gun exactly as a man would hold it.

00:35:43.000 A dead human remains that had been embalmed, which I did, and did a little more than normal, as far as embalming was concerned, because I knew they might want to look at him again in the future, because that, it would be hard to really get a good print, so we don't know how good a print.

00:36:03.000 Because of rigor mortis?

00:36:04.000 Oh yeah, yeah, and because of embalming.

00:36:06.000 Talk about rigor mortis.

00:36:07.000 Well, Riger will send in, shortly after death, When it does, everything has become rigid and firm.

00:36:16.000 You can tell how long a body has been gone, or the life is out of a body, because if rigor has not been set in, it doesn't take long for it to finally begin to set in, and then to move arms and legs and the body.

00:36:30.000 Are humans similar to dogs?

00:36:32.000 I haven't dealt with it.

00:36:33.000 Absolutely.

00:36:33.000 Because I had my Boston Terrier die a few months ago, and I'm burying Just an hour and a half later and he was already getting stiff.

00:36:39.000 That's right.

00:36:41.000 This is a part of what happens to people and that's what happened in combat.

00:36:46.000 Boys that have been hit, and we didn't know how long they'd been hit, but we knew that Rygard had been hit sometime earlier, so you never know what's going on.

00:36:56.000 But we definitely knew that they were going to do this And I was careful to make sure that they would do it in a manner that would be proper.

00:37:06.000 And they did.

00:37:07.000 It seemed like to me.

00:37:09.000 So where was his body describing it?

00:37:10.000 Well, we have, and I think this is an interesting tale, So, Alex, there was a man that passed away in a rest home by the name of Bobo.

00:37:22.000 Mr. Bobo and the lady who was in charge of the rest home said, Mr. Bobo died and Paul would you come and get his body and then bomb him and bury him.

00:37:33.000 And I said, I'll do it, and she said, now he had four $100 bills in his boot, because he was an old cowboy, and the boot had a hole in it, and it had four holes, that's a bigger hole, smaller, smaller, smaller, in the $100 bills.

00:37:50.000 He had four $100 bills, and that was to bury him with.

00:37:54.000 Those are the bills I used to bury that old man.

00:37:57.000 Now, knowing good and well that I had Bobo on Table 1, I moved Bobo to Table 2 and put Oswald on Table 1.

00:38:07.000 Everybody that looked, they would say, is that Oswald?

00:38:10.000 I would say, because I'd open the door to go in there, and they'd say, is that Oswald?

00:38:14.000 I'd say, no, that's Mr. Bobo.

00:38:16.000 And all this time I used Bobo to hide the fact that I had Oswald.

00:38:21.000 Because we didn't know what was going to happen to us.

00:38:25.000 We knew good and well that if Secret Service came, they would come, and they went to Table 1, where Oswald was, put that hand mark on him.

00:38:35.000 We don't know how it turned out.

00:38:37.000 We don't know what happened to the gun.

00:38:38.000 But you were there.

00:38:39.000 You saw them put the hand on him.

00:38:40.000 Oh, yes.

00:38:40.000 Oh, there's no question about it that that's what they did.

00:38:43.000 Well, I mean, obviously, here's the issue.

00:38:44.000 They then ran out and told the media that they'd found his fingerprints on the gun.

00:38:49.000 Can you speak about that?

00:38:49.000 Yes.

00:38:51.000 I have no knowledge of that.

00:38:53.000 Well, you know the Warren Commission and others have said that his fingerprints have been found on the gun.

00:38:57.000 Yes, that's right.

00:38:58.000 Can you speak about that?

00:38:59.000 Well, if they found that, that's what they were doing.

00:39:02.000 They were making sure that his fingerprints were on the gun to prove that he was the one that actually used the gun to definitely make him to be the one who did the killing of President Kennedy.

00:39:14.000 Does that look suspicious to you?

00:39:17.000 Well, we've often wondered, really, if they were covering up, was it some connection?

00:39:23.000 And Mama Oswald always said that.

00:39:25.000 His mother always said, I don't believe that was my son that did the shooting.

00:39:29.000 That it could have been somebody else.

00:39:31.000 Now, they had claimed they were coming to get his fingerprints, but then they were trying to put the rigor mortis hand with the ink on the gun.

00:39:38.000 Did you say, hey, why are you doing that?

00:39:40.000 Well, no, I didn't question them.

00:39:42.000 That was all right with me, whatever they did, as long as they cleaned it up after they got through.

00:39:47.000 How many Secret Service men?

00:39:48.000 If I remember, it was three.

00:39:50.000 And I'm not too sure that it was exactly Secret Service.

00:39:53.000 It could have been some other branch of FBI or something else.

00:39:59.000 But they said they were Secret Service.

00:40:00.000 They said they were Secret Service.

00:40:01.000 But they showed me badges, so they proved that they were the people.

00:40:05.000 But you never know, this day and time, who's who, when you are around that sort of thing.

00:40:10.000 And after all, I've been around it.

00:40:11.000 Uh, ambulance business was a part of our business too, and being around that all the time, we were questioned, uh, no question about it, we had to check and make sure we were talking to a real policeman or whatever it might be.

00:40:24.000 How long did it take you to get the ink off the sand?

00:40:27.000 Well, I don't remember now, but of course we have cosmetics, and I felt as though the cosmetics would probably cover it up, and it did pretty well, cover everything up.

00:40:36.000 We didn't have any real problem with it, because his hand is down, and covered up with the way you keep a hand.

00:40:43.000 Did they have an open casket at his funeral?

00:40:46.000 Actually, the parents and the brother, the mother, and the brother and the wife, they got to see him, but the rest of the public did not.

00:40:56.000 Now, why was his body later exhumed?

00:40:58.000 We know a controversy erupted because there had been three different people using Oswald's name.

00:41:02.000 There had been a police officer who looked just like him who had been shot.

00:41:05.000 I mean, is that why it led to the exhumation?

00:41:09.000 You'd also talked about former head of British intelligence calling you.

00:41:12.000 You left off there, but start over.

00:41:14.000 Mr. Bobo, I mean...

00:41:19.000 Michael Eddowes is an English author that wrote a book about it and because of that they wanted to know if I could disinter his remains so they could look at him again.

00:41:29.000 So this is what the process was and Mr. Bobo I mean, Mr. Eddowes, Michael Eddowes, said that he was going to come over and that he'd pay the bill if they'd dig him up.

00:41:40.000 And I said, well, if you're going to pay the bill, I'll get a permit.

00:41:43.000 And I did.

00:41:44.000 I went to the wife, went to Marina and got her to do it.

00:41:49.000 She's a lovely, lovely person.

00:41:51.000 By the way, she believes it was a government op.

00:41:54.000 Yes, they are all...

00:41:57.000 You know, we had her number, but then she got divorced and moved out of the Dallas area. 0.95

00:42:01.000 Are you still in contact with her?

00:42:03.000 No, not at all.

00:42:04.000 We're trying to get in contact with her, if somebody can help us.

00:42:06.000 Even Marge doesn't know how to get all of her number. 1.00

00:42:07.000 Yeah, it's... I talked to her just a few years ago, and now I've lost contact.

00:42:11.000 She doesn't like to be bothered about it, I'll guarantee you that.

00:42:15.000 She's very nice people, and just one of those things that I have no reason to...

00:42:20.000 Under upper.

00:42:21.000 Now you mentioned the former head of British intelligence.

00:42:24.000 Start over.

00:42:26.000 He called me and wanted to know if I could disinter.

00:42:28.000 And I said I could.

00:42:30.000 So that's who was writing the book was the former head of British intelligence?

00:42:32.000 Yes.

00:42:32.000 Right.

00:42:33.000 Right.

00:42:34.000 And he said, I'll pay the bill if you need it.

00:42:38.000 So I did.

00:42:39.000 I got the permit.

00:42:40.000 I went to the state and got my permit.

00:42:44.000 The man who helped me get it done, Mr. Carroll, was in charge, and I knew him from experience.

00:42:50.000 He gave me a permit.

00:42:53.000 I went out, dug him up, brought his vault to the surface.

00:42:58.000 When we opened the vault, it was a steel-reinforced concrete wall.

00:43:03.000 It weighed 2,700 pounds, so it's not just a little flimsy thing.

00:43:08.000 It was broken, and we don't know why.

00:43:10.000 Oh.

00:43:12.000 And because of the fact that... What did the break look like?

00:43:16.000 Well, it was a typical dead human remains, I'll guarantee you.

00:43:20.000 No, but I mean... It had been recently... I mean, it had originally been broken.

00:43:25.000 It seemed like shortly after I buried him.

00:43:28.000 Now, one tale that goes with this that I think is interesting, if nothing else, the man who ran the cemetery, he committed suicide some years later.

00:43:41.000 And I said, I knew that man.

00:43:43.000 I can't believe that he would commit suicide.

00:43:46.000 The doctor was in charge, the pathologist, had done the autopsy on that guy.

00:43:51.000 I said, how did he die?

00:43:52.000 He said he committed suicide.

00:43:54.000 And I said, what did he use?

00:43:56.000 He said he used a knife.

00:43:58.000 I said, a knife to commit suicide? 0.99

00:43:59.000 Yes, 17 stab wounds to commit suicide.

00:44:03.000 Have you ever experienced that?

00:44:05.000 That's not possible.

00:44:07.000 He was evidently knew too much about who got into that grave after I married him.

00:44:15.000 We don't know what happened or why they wanted in the grave.

00:44:18.000 Who's going to prove what?

00:44:20.000 Were they going to steal body parts or what are they going to do?

00:44:23.000 We have no knowledge.

00:44:25.000 From that has stemmed a lot of Question.

00:44:29.000 Who he was?

00:44:31.000 Was it Oswald, really?

00:44:33.000 And this sort of thing.

00:44:35.000 I know.

00:44:36.000 I buried Lee Harvey.

00:44:37.000 Now, let's be specific about this vault.

00:44:39.000 Was this a concrete sarcophagi that had another coffin inside of it?

00:44:45.000 Yes, it had the casket inside of it.

00:44:47.000 Can you detail the materials?

00:44:49.000 I mean, talk about the larger sarcophagi and the smaller sarcophagi.

00:44:52.000 Yeah, well now the smaller is not anything that's sealed.

00:44:57.000 The cheap casket is what it really was.

00:45:00.000 It's a number 31 from the casket cups.

00:45:03.000 Is that water metal?

00:45:04.000 Wood and cloth covered wood.

00:45:08.000 Very inexpensive as far as caskets go.

00:45:11.000 Now because of that, I did not spend a lot of money for that family.

00:45:16.000 Robert, the brother, said, I'm going to pay the bill.

00:45:18.000 I said, How you going to pay for it?

00:45:21.000 He said, I have $800.

00:45:22.000 I said, I'm not going to use it all.

00:45:24.000 I only spent $710.

00:45:25.000 That was three grave spaces.

00:45:28.000 That was the casket.

00:45:29.000 That was a funeral.

00:45:30.000 That was everything.

00:45:31.000 Why put it inside the concrete?

00:45:33.000 Well, that's how you do.

00:45:35.000 With a steel reinforced concrete vault that has a lid.

00:45:38.000 So it's a big box made out of steel.

00:45:40.000 made out of reinforced steel, and it is asphalt lined, and the lid is asphalt lined.

00:45:46.000 I know how they're going to be made, I know how they're made, and I know about them.

00:45:50.000 I almost bought the company, the franchise, and I knew good and well how they're made.

00:45:56.000 I helped to make them.

00:45:57.000 Matter of fact, the lid that was on that was one of the lids.

00:46:00.000 You're quite an entrepreneur.

00:46:00.000 That's right.

00:46:02.000 So is your son.

00:46:03.000 Well, it means a lot of things.

00:46:06.000 Building cemeteries, building homes, building buildings and all.

00:46:09.000 We definitely knew that if we dug him up, it ought to be all right.

00:46:13.000 But it turned out that vault was actually broken and they're not supposed to break.

00:46:17.000 Now, let's talk about that vault plan.

00:46:19.000 How was it broken?

00:46:19.000 What did it look like?

00:46:20.000 Did it look like it had been jimmied to you?

00:46:22.000 Say that in your own words.

00:46:22.000 Yes.

00:46:24.000 Well, the fact that when we put it into the grave, it was solid, it was cured, it was solid concrete, it was not anything cheap.

00:46:35.000 It's a good heavy-weighted thing.

00:46:38.000 When we Dougie Mupp, that lid had been broken, the vault itself had been broken, showing that somebody had done something, and we have no knowledge who it was.

00:46:49.000 How was it broken?

00:46:50.000 Describe that.

00:46:51.000 Well, the sides are cracked, and the lid, the part of the casket was off to the side inside.

00:47:01.000 The body had been disturbed.

00:47:03.000 So it looked like this had been done hurriedly.

00:47:05.000 Hurriedly.

00:47:06.000 That's absolutely true.

00:47:07.000 And then the man who was running the facility, he magically died.

00:47:10.000 Yes, yes.

00:47:11.000 He had 17 stab wounds.

00:47:12.000 Yes, that was suicide.

00:47:14.000 Yes, suicide.

00:47:15.000 We've had people have their arms and legs cut off and they claim it's suicide.

00:47:18.000 Well, yeah, there's no question about it.

00:47:20.000 Being in my business all these years, I've seen a lot of things and that's one thing we always kind of wonder about.

00:47:25.000 I wonder how they get local police to certify that people shoot themselves twice in the back of the head and cut their arms and legs and head off.

00:47:32.000 Some Clinton people had that happen to them.

00:47:33.000 Is that the truth?

00:47:34.000 They could find me with Alt-BM cutting 50 pieces and they'd say I did it.

00:47:37.000 And do you know who takes care of all of that?

00:47:40.000 The poor Undertaker.

00:47:42.000 I have been there hundreds and hundreds of times because we are the ones that have to go clean up the mess with a suicide or with a murder and all of that.

00:47:51.000 So you have to respect the old guy who's been at it.

00:47:54.000 It's a tough job.

00:47:55.000 I couldn't imagine having to do it.

00:47:56.000 You have to have a strong stomach, I'll tell you.

00:47:58.000 And because of the fact that people now here just heard it this morning.

00:48:04.000 Somebody's going to have to have an autopsy.

00:48:06.000 I know what takes place.

00:48:07.000 My wife asked me the other day when I heard somebody talking about it.

00:48:10.000 She said, you're sure quiet.

00:48:12.000 I said, well, I'm going through what they're probably going through with this autopsy they're going to perform.

00:48:16.000 Let's go back to, so the wooden coffin was open inside.

00:48:21.000 The larger sarcophagus had had the top knocked off.

00:48:24.000 What did the body, what was the condition of the body?

00:48:26.000 Well, it's a typical 17 years of being exposed to the elements is the way it turned out.

00:48:33.000 Because by simply opening it, it destroyed the remains.

00:48:35.000 That's it.

00:48:37.000 Can you speak to that probably being the end?

00:48:38.000 Well, just the fact that if you, if I go out into the woods and get a body that's been out in the woods a long time, you know it's going to end up to be nothing but a skeleton, because that's all that is left.

00:48:50.000 And it's nearly always disturbed and distributed around in the area.

00:48:54.000 But if they've left it packed, their jaw is down on their chest, typical.

00:49:00.000 of that kind of thing can happen.

00:49:02.000 And this was what it looked like when we got there this after 17 years.

00:49:08.000 Somebody wanted something, and if they were in there just maliciously, they didn't know what they were doing.

00:49:16.000 That's the way I figured it at the time.

00:49:18.000 I said, what in the world are they digging down here and trying to do this for?

00:49:22.000 What good is it to have the head?

00:49:24.000 But if they didn't want somebody to be able to exhume it and do another autopsy to really find out identity or something, they'd want it to rot.

00:49:30.000 That's it.

00:49:31.000 That's it.

00:49:33.000 We knew good and well that somebody had been there, didn't know what they were doing.

00:49:37.000 Was it a clothing life, or was it all skin?

00:49:38.000 Well, that clothing isn't, after that many years, is gone.

00:49:42.000 It's nothing.

00:49:43.000 It shreds anyway.

00:49:44.000 And they, we took that body after the autopsy, I mean after we'd exhumed it.

00:49:51.000 We took him to Parkland where a pathologist and the assistants and all took care of it and made a total record of what it appeared to be.

00:50:02.000 And the weird part of it was this man had been autopsied, therefore his skull had been capped.

00:50:08.000 that the brain was removed.

00:50:10.000 They have his brain someplace.

00:50:12.000 I put the cap back on and sealed up his head again.

00:50:18.000 Now, that head looked like it had never been autopsied because when I seal him up, I seal him up.

00:50:25.000 In other words, I glue that back on pretty well, and therefore, I didn't want it sliding around because it'll make a crease right across the forehead if that's the case.

00:50:34.000 So, I hooked it in there pretty good.

00:50:37.000 Was it the same skull?

00:50:39.000 I say it was the same skull, but there could be the question.

00:50:44.000 Since you couldn't see a whole lot of that exist with the new autopsy or new at least But you're saying you couldn't even see the cut?

00:50:52.000 No, you can't see the cut when it's after 17 years.

00:50:56.000 It's going to seal itself back up.

00:50:58.000 We'll be right back, Mr. Grooney.

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00:54:06.000 Final segment with Paul Grudy.

00:54:07.000 Unbelievably important historical interview we've done here.

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00:54:22.000 You'll be able to go and link through when the show ends and hear Paris, more than four million albums sold, his maiden voyage interview with us.

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00:55:28.000 Paul Grudy, I'm going to come out to your home and interview you.

00:55:30.000 You've been gracious enough out there.

00:55:32.000 I told you it's beautiful out by the oasis over Lake Travis, across from the oasis.

00:55:37.000 Wow, that's beautiful over there.

00:55:38.000 I can't wait to come out and see you next week.

00:55:40.000 Your wife is lovely and wonderful.

00:55:41.000 We've got about three minutes left.

00:55:43.000 Any other points you want to add?

00:55:45.000 Anything else you want to talk about?

00:55:46.000 Anything you want to plug?

00:55:47.000 Any websites?

00:55:48.000 Anything else you want to, you know, final word for the listeners?

00:55:53.000 I really am happy, Alex, to leave all that good stuff to you because you have it.

00:56:03.000 It's what it takes to get the job done.

00:56:06.000 Knowing good and well that we talked Just the other day, my wife is a full-blooded Swede, and her grandparents came from Sweden, settled out by Round Rock, out by Hutto, had property out there, the Westberg family.

00:56:21.000 The owner of those networks is a Swede.

00:56:23.000 That's good.

00:56:26.000 They are great people, and because my wife And I went to the museum in Round Rock, I mean in Georgetown, which now is set up, shows all of the old stuff and of course these Swedes came over here because of the potato Uh, famine that was going on, so many of them, like the Irish did too, and that's where my family came from.

00:56:51.000 I got a little bit of everything in there.

00:56:52.000 Yeah, we have a river in Ireland by the name of the Grootie River, a bridge over it, the Grootie Bridge, and a roundabout to get to it.

00:57:01.000 So we know it's the Grootie Roundabout, so we know the name Grootie over there, folks know it, not over here, because we're strangers.

00:57:09.000 You were telling me about your daughter, too.

00:57:10.000 She's one of those guys.

00:57:11.000 Well, our daughter happens to be a part of the display department of a little outpost, Anheuser-Busch, taking care of the... She puts on all their big events and facilities and... Well, SeaWorlds and Busch Gardens and that sort of thing.

00:57:25.000 She runs all that. 0.98

00:57:26.000 Yeah, she's the display person. 0.78

00:57:28.000 And your son's a pretty successful owner here in town.

00:57:30.000 Well, our son has built homes forever, as we did, too.

00:57:34.000 Well, I recognize your son when I met him.

00:57:36.000 I've seen him.

00:57:37.000 Yeah.

00:57:39.000 The fact that Don has designed homes and has built himself one up on the top of a mountain in Lago Vista, well really, Jonestown, and he's got a mansion up there that's a gorgeous thing.

00:57:54.000 You guys are a classy family and I really am honored to count you as friends.

00:57:57.000 Mr. Groody, thank you for joining us.

00:57:59.000 Thank you for being here.

00:58:01.000 You're the guy you are.

00:58:02.000 You're great.

00:58:03.000 I appreciate it.

00:58:03.000 I want to say hi to your son.

00:58:04.000 I know he's listening right now and say hi to everybody else.

00:58:07.000 Mr. Grady, thank you for joining us.

00:58:08.000 Okay, buddy.

00:58:09.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we're out of time.

00:58:11.000 The show restarts again.

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00:58:20.000 Powerful info if you missed it coming up.

00:58:22.000 I want to thank all the listeners, all the affiliates, all the sponsors.

00:58:26.000 off, Mr. Gritty, I want to shake your hand and say bye to you and your wife, and also make sure I get your address right to come out and interview you next week for the JFK film.

00:58:26.000 Thank you for listening to GCN.

00:58:34.000 This is Alex Jones signing off.

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00:58:48.000 Big Brother.

00:58:59.000 Mainstream media.

00:59:01.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:03.000 You want answers?

00:59:05.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:06.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:17.000 Alright, if you go to the PrisonPlanet.com forum, and go halfway down, it says... Well, there's a link there.

00:59:26.000 Let me go back to the actual link.

00:59:28.000 At the top of it, it says, if you find... When you find Social Work 101 Family as a Disease System posted here, this has only been going about an hour and a half, and I've read over a bunch of quotes and things that I hadn't seen that back up what we're saying, but I did find one that I do remember reading, because listeners mail me these books, and we have a lot of professors and scholars and researchers that listen to the show, and it says, Sociology, A Brief Introduction.

00:59:56.000 And by the way, just during the break, I googled this and found the opening introduction online, because Amazon does that, and didn't need to find it, because I'm not just going to read this unless I can go prove it myself.

01:00:06.000 But this is, and I've seen this before, now this is on page 285, discusses the approach, the family of conflict theorists.

01:00:17.000 Conflict theorists also view the family as an economic unit that contributes to social injustice.

01:00:23.000 The family is the basis for transferring power, property, and privilege from one generation to the next.

01:00:30.000 Conflict theorists argue that the family helps to maintain inequity.

01:00:36.000 So see, there.

01:00:37.000 The family is bad.

01:00:39.000 This is over and over again.

01:00:40.000 Now, we haven't found the one textbook, because it's five, six years ago.

01:00:46.000 And maybe it was the same night I covered things with Bob.

01:00:49.000 A lot of these are already on the web.

01:00:50.000 Maybe you can find it, listeners.

01:00:52.000 The same night I covered it with Bob.

01:00:54.000 Might have been right around the same time.

01:00:56.000 And maybe that's why my memory says it was from Bob, because I got a textbook.

01:00:59.000 There were photocopies.

01:01:00.000 I had to give it back.

01:01:01.000 It was Calhoun Social Work Reader, something like that.

01:01:05.000 Find it!

01:01:07.000 Now we can disprove that I don't talk about space aliens, as this guy says.

01:01:10.000 We can disprove that the government isn't at odds with the family.

01:01:12.000 That's well known they are.

01:01:14.000 But I want the exact quote he's saying doesn't exist.

01:01:16.000 I will find it.

01:01:18.000 Bob, in the few minutes we've got left, you want to read that specific Harvard psychologist's statement again?

01:01:26.000 It came from, really, it's all, you know, if somebody wants to really know what it's all about, it's UNESCO, and they had a 1947 book called Towards World Understanding.

01:01:36.000 You know, and in that book, on page 58, they say, quote, as we have pointed out, it is frequently the family that infects the child with extreme nationalism.

01:01:46.000 The school should therefore use the means described earlier to combat family attitudes.

01:01:51.000 That's all coming from, you know, UNESCO, UN stuff. 0.67

01:01:53.000 Now see how it says they're mentally ill, they're infected?

01:01:56.000 That's the same as saying disease, but I'm telling you there's one where they call the family.

01:02:00.000 In fact, read the whole quote from start to finish.

01:02:02.000 Okay, this is the quote from Chester M. Pierce, 1973.

01:02:06.000 A professor of education at Harvard in 1973 at a Denver education conference, quote, Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity.

01:02:30.000 It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the international child of the future. 0.99

01:02:39.000 End quote.

01:02:40.000 There you go.

01:02:42.000 By the way, I've now found the textbook.

01:02:44.000 It's been posted by one of the people in there.

01:02:49.000 Alex mentioned this, that the name was Calhoun.

01:02:51.000 On Amazon, I found this.

01:02:52.000 Dictionary of Social Sciences.

01:02:55.000 Craig Calhoun, editor.

01:02:58.000 And it says, do any of these book titles look familiar?

01:03:02.000 Yes, they do.

01:03:03.000 Contemporary Sociology Theory.

01:03:05.000 Classical Sociology Theory.

01:03:06.000 Contemporary Sociology Theory.

01:03:08.000 Blackwell Readers in Sociology.

01:03:12.000 That all sounds familiar.

01:03:13.000 It goes on social theory and politics of identity, nationalism, concepts and social thought.

01:03:20.000 I think it's the one that's Blackwell readers.

01:03:23.000 And I want to say it's a Calhoun reader.

01:03:26.000 Maybe like a condensed version, but it was a pretty good sized book.

01:03:29.000 Bob Dacey, thank you for the incredible job.

01:03:31.000 Anything else you want to add?

01:03:32.000 That's it, Alex.

01:03:33.000 Keep after him, my friend.

01:03:35.000 Tell folks when the local TV show's on.

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01:07:08.000 Alright, in the last hour we gave footnoted quotes about how the family is a sickness, the children are mentally ill, they have a disease basically. 0.56

01:07:20.000 I have now tracked down who this particular Calhoun sociologist was.

01:07:24.000 Talking about the family being in disease.

01:07:26.000 We're vetting all that out.

01:07:27.000 The mountains of quotes and evidence.

01:07:29.000 But I thought I would... This is what my classic detractors are like.

01:07:34.000 This is off YouTube.

01:07:35.000 This is the standard thing.

01:07:37.000 He implies... I'm not going to play the whole piece.

01:07:39.000 He implies that he is going to school.

01:07:42.000 He hasn't read any of the books when he's in school.

01:07:44.000 So he's obviously taking that career path.

01:07:46.000 Uh, he says that I never footnote or never give, you know, where something comes from.

01:07:50.000 I do over and over again.

01:07:52.000 Again, I'll say, four years ago, MSNBC, Mexican Attorney General takes microchip, makes employees take it.

01:08:00.000 And then years later, I'll say the Mexican Attorney General made his employees take it.

01:08:03.000 You can just say, oh, that's a lie.

01:08:04.000 He didn't give us a place to find it.

01:08:06.000 Use Google, man.

01:08:07.000 Go read it.

01:08:08.000 I talk about civilian inmate labor camp programs and secret camp program from 86 to 96, which they declassified in 96.

01:08:16.000 It's an army.mil.

01:08:18.000 Just type civilian inmate labor camp program in.

01:08:20.000 Find out about how they secretly have federal and state prisoners on these.

01:08:23.000 I mean, I got Senate hearings talking about the secret camp program.

01:08:27.000 It's now mainstream news.

01:08:30.000 Decade after I talked about it.

01:08:33.000 Look, we don't make anything up.

01:08:35.000 But it's a classic attack saying we don't tell the truth or we're full of it.

01:08:41.000 So I thought I'd play a few minutes of this and then refute it with Charlotte Isserby, head of policy, Department of Education under Ronald Reagan.

01:08:47.000 Herself, quite esteemed degrees and background in civil service internationally.

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01:08:58.000 So, you know, pretty high-powered family.

01:09:00.000 From inside the intelligentsia, blowing a whistle from the inside out, we'll be talking to this dear, wonderful lady who wrote the bombshell definitive work, Deliberate Dumbing Down, in just one moment.

01:09:10.000 But first, here is the creature on YouTube, standard attack pattern, just putting out pure bull.

01:09:16.000 Hello there, YouTube.

01:09:17.000 This is the Scientist, and I'm doing a video response to the Alex Jones Family and Socialism thing.

01:09:24.000 First off, I want to say that Alex Jones, nuts.

01:09:29.000 This is the same guy who does Prison Planet, and we all know it for gems like, aliens are invading, you know, Bush is an alien, just weird, off-the-wall crap like that, and this video is Perfect example of what this guy is all about. 0.94

01:09:46.000 Absolutely perfect.

01:09:47.000 I just spelled it out for you.

01:09:50.000 First of all, why are police and social workers in a children's classroom?

01:09:55.000 Bad.

01:09:55.000 I don't think they mean like right in the classroom, but working with teachers, I don't know why that would be a bad thing.

01:10:02.000 I mean, you know, schools are in and of themselves Okay, hit pause.

01:10:10.000 So he impeaches me with saying I believe Bush is an alien and aliens are invading.

01:10:15.000 Never said it, anything close to it.

01:10:18.000 They're already designed to do that. 0.93

01:10:19.000 They're already designed to help with that.

01:10:20.000 Okay, hit pause.

01:10:22.000 So he impeaches me with saying, I believe Bush is an alien and aliens are invading.

01:10:26.000 Never said it.

01:10:27.000 Anything close to it.

01:10:29.000 UFOs are prosada non grata on this broadcast.

01:10:32.000 Okay.

01:10:32.000 Then he goes into, oh, guilty until proven innocent.

01:10:35.000 Yeah, we need these spies watching everybody.

01:10:38.000 That's what he's saying.

01:10:39.000 But he just thinks it's normal because he's brought up in this system.

01:10:41.000 Let's go back to this little soft creature.

01:10:45.000 So, this is taking me a little bit further.

01:10:48.000 And I don't know why he's saying social, you know, social work came from England.

01:10:53.000 Social work has kind of evolved over probably thousands of years, hundreds of thousands of years, from charity and ancient times.

01:11:02.000 You would have Special groups of people who are going to do food for the poor.

01:11:06.000 It was a religious thing back then.

01:11:08.000 It's not so much a religious thing now, but I can see the first institutionalization of that.

01:11:13.000 Technically, yes, it was in England as a poor law, but how he got from the poor law to social work, I'm not quite sure.

01:11:24.000 And he's talking about, oh, no, it started, he's like, it started in England.

01:11:29.000 And then with the very same group in Prussia, Let's stop right there.

01:11:37.000 Simultaneously, the eugenicists taking the theory of Darwinism to social Darwinism.

01:11:42.000 I'm not having a debate about Darwinism.

01:11:44.000 Then I get attacked for that.

01:11:45.000 I'm saying that the facts, what they said, okay, what sociology, all of this was born out of, eugenics was the key. 0.97

01:11:55.000 It went across the board in these sciences.

01:11:59.000 And, of course, the British royal family was German.

01:12:02.000 They then adopted the Prussian model.

01:12:04.000 The United States adopted it, and the colonial army as well, and they merged the two.

01:12:09.000 So, see, he's playing games with it there.

01:12:12.000 They developed these sciences in tandem and then integrated them as the sciences do, you know, across the Atlantic.

01:12:20.000 And then, of course, came into the United States.

01:12:22.000 And then he goes in to say, I never source anything, or I never give any proof of anything.

01:12:26.000 Let's go back to it in Charlottesville.

01:12:28.000 And he's like, Prussian, because Austro-Hungarian.

01:12:34.000 Stop him again.

01:12:34.000 I have to say something.

01:12:35.000 It's acknowledged that modern education, kindergarten, the structure of rote, the five to six class periods, the specialization, the regurgitation and repeating, that's the Prussian model.

01:12:47.000 The prison system is based predominantly on the Panopticon French model that rose in the last 250 years.

01:12:53.000 I mean, I actually read the textbooks on this.

01:12:56.000 You didn't, little boy, or you didn't remember it.

01:12:58.000 Back to it.

01:12:59.000 That was Germany. 0.79

01:13:01.000 He's trying to link the idea of social work to Prussia, which he then makes to Germany.

01:13:09.000 Prussia is not Germany.

01:13:10.000 Prussia became Germany, but Prussia and Germany are not.

01:13:14.000 All right, stop right there.

01:13:17.000 It's part of the whole Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

01:13:20.000 It's part of the same culture.

01:13:21.000 It was called Germania 2,000, you know, 60-something years ago by Julius Caesar.

01:13:26.000 I just can't go any further.

01:13:27.000 Charlotte, what do you think of that?

01:13:29.000 Well, I don't know.

01:13:31.000 That sort of comment, it's just so disjointed and off the wall.

01:13:36.000 I mean, the guy has got bits and pieces that he hooks together to try to make a point.

01:13:43.000 I wouldn't take it very seriously, Alex. 0.88

01:13:47.000 If that's all you ever have going up against you, that's sort of pathetic reasoning. 0.95

01:13:52.000 You know, you're lucky. 1.00

01:13:55.000 But that's the type of moron level that connects with some of the public. 0.99

01:14:01.000 Well, I wonder if it really does. 0.99

01:14:03.000 Let me point this out.

01:14:04.000 My book's been out for Well, since 1999, and I believe I've had, to be perfectly honest, two calls in when I've done interviews.

01:14:15.000 I've been doing them since then, radio.

01:14:18.000 Two calls where I was absolutely attacked, and it was by a couple of educators, you know, principals and superintendents.

01:14:28.000 Only two!

01:14:30.000 In what, eight years?

01:14:34.000 Everybody knows people have been dumbed down, this has been the process.

01:14:37.000 Yeah, but all the other calls, I want to make it very clear that you are correct on whatever you've been saying there.

01:14:43.000 I've had a lot of calls from educators, public school educators, superintendents, sometimes even commissioners of educators, and they're all totally supportive.

01:14:56.000 Of getting the facts out.

01:14:57.000 Some of them didn't even know them themselves.

01:15:00.000 And there are these absolutely wild quotes.

01:15:04.000 I mean, I put together some for you today, but I guess you don't need them.

01:15:09.000 Oh yes, we need them.

01:15:11.000 We need them.

01:15:11.000 Go over them when you like.

01:15:12.000 You can just... I mean, I always think of it, if I only have, you know, one second or 30 seconds, the most important quote, because it comes from It's Benjamin Bloom, Professor Bloom's behavioral psychologist, who really is behind the whole dog training method that is necessary for workforce training.

01:15:32.000 He died a few years ago, but he admits it.

01:15:35.000 He says, the purpose of education in the schools is to change the thoughts, feelings, and actions of students.

01:15:42.000 Folks, from what?

01:15:44.000 From what the parent is trying to instill, from what the church is trying to instill, that's the definition right there, the purpose.

01:15:51.000 Then he goes on to say, a large part of what we call good teaching is the teacher's ability to attain effective objectives through, that means attitudes, values, and beliefs change, through challenging the student's fixed beliefs And getting them to discuss issues.

01:16:13.000 Now, there it is!

01:16:15.000 And then you have the 1945 Treaty, UNESCO.

01:16:19.000 Kindergarten or infant school can correct many of the errors of home training and prepare for membership in the world society.

01:16:28.000 It is in the family that children are infected with nationalism.

01:16:32.000 And you have Dr. Chester Pierce in the 70s, Harvard.

01:16:35.000 Every child in America who enters school at the age of five is mentally ill, because he comes to school with an allegiance toward our elected officials, toward our founding fathers, toward our institutions, toward the preservation of this form of government that we have.

01:16:50.000 Patriotism, nationalism, and sovereignty, all that proves that children are sick, because a truly well individual is one who is rejected, All of those things, and is truly the international child of the future.

01:17:03.000 Then you have major change agent.

01:17:05.000 I consider him number one in the world.

01:17:07.000 John Goodlad.

01:17:09.000 Schooling for a global age.

01:17:11.000 Parents and the general public must be reached also.

01:17:16.000 Otherwise children and youth enrolled in globally oriented programs may find themselves in conflict with values assumed in the home.

01:17:24.000 And then the education institution frequently, not often enough I might say, comes under scrutiny and must pull back.

01:17:32.000 And then he says, that was in 1981, actually I leaked that document that was in there.

01:17:37.000 That's why I got fired.

01:17:40.000 1968, he says, an article in Learning and Teaching in the NEA Journal.

01:17:45.000 His top educator folks, behavioral psychologists, behaviorists, right?

01:17:49.000 He says, quote, the most controversial issues of the 21st century will pertain to the ends and means of modifying human behavior and who shall determine them.

01:17:59.000 The first educational question will not be what knowledge is of the most worth.

01:18:06.000 But what kinds of human beings do we want to produce?

01:18:10.000 The possibilities virtually defy our imagination.

01:18:14.000 Then you have Ashley Montague.

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01:18:31.000 And then Dr. Reginald Lurie, president of the Joint Commission Conference of Child Development Act, 1971, and after the break, I really would like to read what he said because And let's double those footnotes for people out there.

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01:23:04.000 Charlotte Isserby is our guest.

01:23:06.000 Charlotte, out of the gates, in a nutshell, Tell folks just a little bit about yourself who don't know who you are, what you discovered inside this, and then just continue with the quotes by the heads of academia, the heads of the, quote, education science in the last hundred years for social workers and people being trained to be social workers who, you know, go up on YouTube and say, I'm making all this up.

01:23:30.000 Oh, no, you're not making it up at all.

01:23:32.000 I mean, I just wish that you were. 0.77

01:23:33.000 There's such an extensive paper trail, it's disgusting.

01:23:38.000 I mean, they seem to be pretty bright guys in some ways. 0.99

01:23:41.000 They're sick. 0.99

01:23:42.000 They're satanic, really. 1.00

01:23:43.000 They're evil people who would do this to our children.

01:23:46.000 But they have admitted, they truly have admitted what they're doing, and so much of that is in my book, and it's also, a great deal of it is on another website I have, too.

01:23:56.000 I'll give both websites.

01:23:59.000 DeliberateDumbingDown.com is the website for my book, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, the 700-pager.

01:24:06.000 The book is also It's a free download if you want, but buying it is easier for people to read it.

01:24:13.000 The website is DeliveredDumbingDown.com.

01:24:17.000 That is the chronological paper trail over the past 200 years of what they've done.

01:24:22.000 These are documents.

01:24:23.000 Now, the secondary website is marvelous.

01:24:26.000 It's called AmericanDeception.com, and those are original primary research scanned in documents and books.

01:24:36.000 Very, very rare books and documents.

01:24:38.000 The most important item on that, if you call it an item, is the Reese Committee hearings.

01:24:46.000 Norman Dodd was the research director for those committee hearings in 1953 on the tax-exempt foundations, and I bought Uh, the 3,000 pages of the hearings.

01:24:59.000 It was the only copy left in the country.

01:25:00.000 The foundations had bought up all the copies after the hearings were abruptly terminated for obvious reasons.

01:25:09.000 I'm sure your listeners understand why.

01:25:11.000 Because it's the history of the treason.

01:25:15.000 It was against America by the Tax Exempt Foundation.

01:25:19.000 Testimony, total proof.

01:25:21.000 So that website's great.

01:25:23.000 There are 90,000 pages of marvelous research there, education documents, everything.

01:25:28.000 But the major reason for that website was when I purchased the congressional testimony during the Reece Cox Committee hearings, of the investigation of the Tax Exempt Foundations.

01:25:44.000 That's at AmericanDeception.com.

01:25:47.000 A lot of that website is free, most of it.

01:25:51.000 Some of the new items are donor only, but the brief committee hearings are free, and if you had any idea what I paid for them, I'm sure you would go rushing in there to grab it immediately for fear something would happen with the internet.

01:26:05.000 But they're extraordinary, extraordinary documents in that... at americandeception.com.

01:26:11.000 Now, going back, I'm going to, in brief, just tell you that when I got out of the Foreign Service in 1960...

01:26:19.000 When did I get out?

01:26:21.000 1963.

01:26:21.000 I got married.

01:26:22.000 I was in the Foreign Service and with the American Red Cross for over a period of 15 years or something.

01:26:28.000 And then I got married in Belgium, came back to the United States, became a school board member, went up against the change agents.

01:26:34.000 I love it the way everybody's using the word change agent now.

01:26:37.000 I might point out that I went through change agent training because a master teacher called me and she said, Charlotte, you're right on in your battle on the school board against your change agent superintendent, and I want you to go for training.

01:26:50.000 And she paid for me to go, and it was at that training where I really got on my white horse, folks.

01:26:54.000 And I've been on that white horse ever since, and I will never get off the horse as dirty as can be, but I will never get off because of what I was taught to do.

01:27:02.000 Now, listen.

01:27:05.000 I was taught, and we were all taught.

01:27:07.000 And this was Ronald Havelock's Change Agents Guide.

01:27:12.000 How to bring about change in your community and schools.

01:27:16.000 And we were taught how to identify the resistors in our community, and also how to identify the important groups in the community, like the Chamber of Commerce, the Rotary Club, the Garden Club, etc.

01:27:28.000 Nice people who really think they're doing such good work, and they've been taken by the change agents to get them on board to support sex ed, drug ed,

01:27:38.000 Critical Thinking Ed, Deaf Ed, whatever, all the things that I've added hanging off the end of it, which are geared not towards helping your child be a good citizen with good morals and values and be an individual in this world, but are geared towards brainwashing them to be exactly the opposite, to be little, little, utter chaotic freaks.

01:28:00.000 And that is the goal of all this program.

01:28:02.000 So I was taught how to get those programs in.

01:28:07.000 And how do I identify the resistors?

01:28:08.000 Well, of course, I was a resistor.

01:28:10.000 That's quite funny.

01:28:11.000 I was taught how to identify myself.

01:28:13.000 But then I went on, again, and I moved on to the U.S.

01:28:17.000 Department of Ed.

01:28:19.000 Stay there! 0.92

01:28:20.000 Let's come back and encapsulate that, and then get into more quotes, what their plan is, how they've done everybody down, where they're going.

01:28:28.000 We're going to footnote again those quotes, we'll go through some more of them, for the individuals out there who just want to say that we're talking about space aliens.

01:28:34.000 We're talking to the former head of policy, number two position, Department of Education.

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01:35:02.000 Charlotte, going back to you, I mean, I want to go over the key quotes, the key documents, and in a nutshell, when they took over education, how they converted it, how they federalized it, and then some solutions.

01:35:13.000 You've got the floor, but I want to hear more of those quotes.

01:35:16.000 Well, okay.

01:35:17.000 Alex, I also want to point out, you're correct.

01:35:21.000 I do have the book free on my website, and that's fine, but I've found that people I thought when I did that that I'd lose sales on the book, the real book, and in fact it increased sales, because people get tired of looking at the white screen, and so Alex, you shouldn't have any problem, you know, with the book.

01:35:41.000 Well, there's something tactile about it, and you know, my stuff falls free as well, about being able to hold it, see it, share it, carry it with you, yes, yes.

01:35:50.000 So anyway, you know, we were talking about how The effort is not just to get the kids' minds, but it's the parents' as well.

01:35:58.000 This is an outcomes-based ed quote, because people might say, oh, she's talking about all those old quotes way back there, with U.N.

01:36:06.000 and Brock Chisholm talking about the, you know, the psychiatrist, General Chisholm, good friend of Algerhead, saying, we've got to get rid of the conscience.

01:36:14.000 We're going to retrain the teachers like little psychiatrists.

01:36:17.000 They can go into the classroom.

01:36:19.000 And people say, oh, I'm sick and tired of hearing all those 1945 quotes, right?

01:36:24.000 Well, they're important quotes, folks.

01:36:25.000 You see, the reason they shut up a bit lately is because they realized that we had their number.

01:36:33.000 We have all those old quotes.

01:36:34.000 But a recent quote is good, because this was in 1981, I believe.

01:36:38.000 It comes out of 1971.

01:36:43.000 No, 1981.

01:36:44.000 This is from one of the leaders in outcome-based education, which we've been fighting across the country for ages, based on Skinner.

01:36:52.000 Absolutely Pavlov's slobbering dog stimulus response.

01:36:56.000 You know, Skinner, I could make a pitch at a high achiever.

01:36:59.000 By reinforcing our proper schedule.

01:37:01.000 And that's what they have to have that in.

01:37:03.000 It's in now completely across the country because they need it for school to work.

01:37:07.000 But this is a quote from John Champlin, terribly high up with William Spady and the whole crowd, American Association of School Administrators.

01:37:16.000 This community, this is a program of theirs for outcomes-based education, direct instruction.

01:37:22.000 This community effort should be designed both to re-educate and to re-norm parents and the general public.

01:37:30.000 Think of re-norming the community the same way you conduct similar efforts in the school environment.

01:37:38.000 Don't challenge the community.

01:37:40.000 Co-op them, okay?

01:37:44.000 I love that.

01:37:44.000 That's a nice quote because people get bored hearing the ones about the teachers and that's really a very good quote.

01:37:51.000 Now, I'm going to read another one which actually is proof positive.

01:37:56.000 When you have people saying, oh, you're wrong, deaf ed, sex ed, critical thinking ed, you name it, whatever, those things, education, Well, has education hanging off the end of it?

01:38:09.000 Oh, they're for the good of the child, and the families should be really happy the schools are involved in that.

01:38:15.000 Well, I got ahold, this is in deliberate dumbing down of America, I happened to be lucky enough to get ahold of the journal called the School Counselor, special issue on death, May 1977.

01:38:30.000 And it came to us from the American Personnel and Guidance Associates, you know, those nice guidance counselors that your children have access to.

01:38:38.000 Quote, listen to this, the last goal is to help students, this is on deaf education, is to help students clarify their values on social and ethical issues.

01:38:50.000 An underlying but seldom spoken assumption of much of the death education movement is that Americans handle death and dying poorly, and that we ought to be doing better at it.

01:39:02.000 Well, they're probably talking about the fact that we believe in God, right?

01:39:06.000 And that's where we deal with it very poorly.

01:39:09.000 As in the case of many other problems, many Americans believe that education can initiate change.

01:39:17.000 You're not kidding, can it?

01:39:18.000 Now, here we go.

01:39:20.000 This is a direct quote, and think in terms of what this says.

01:39:25.000 This actually says that they will be using death ed, the same way they use sex ed, to change our children's attitudes and values, so that children accept any sexual behavior, any anything now.

01:39:37.000 You know that's true.

01:39:38.000 Now look, they said it.

01:39:40.000 Change is evident.

01:39:42.000 Death education will play as important a part in changing attitudes towards death.

01:39:48.000 In other words, getting rid of religion. 0.97

01:39:49.000 Well that's so they can, and they even say, euthanize people. 0.99

01:39:52.000 Get people ready that it's a beautiful thing to have the state kill you. 0.96

01:39:56.000 That's right.

01:39:57.000 And now, since they put this in, suicides exploded.

01:40:00.000 Now in town, seven people killing themselves.

01:40:02.000 Suicide cults on the web.

01:40:04.000 Well, the thing is, with death ed, they educate the children towards all the other religions, Buddhism, Hinduism, whatever-ism, everything except Christianity. 0.92

01:40:14.000 But anyway, it says, change is evident and death education will play as important a part in changing attitudes toward death as sex education played.

01:40:24.000 In changing attitudes toward sex information and wider acceptance of various sexual practices.

01:40:32.000 Now look, if that doesn't tell you that they have deliberately, that's why I love the word deliberate in the title of my book, They have deliberately gone after your children's morals and values and your family. 0.90

01:40:45.000 Now again, it's not just that they're perverts.

01:40:47.000 That's not the real reason.

01:40:48.000 If you actually read the eugenicists who started the social working in England, then in Germany, then in the U.S.

01:40:54.000 as it migrated, they say that by having people be promiscuous, lots of partners, getting people used to abortions and birth control, it's meant to reduce the size of the family, thus to also attack it and break it down, just like the Soviets did. 0.81

01:41:09.000 Well, that's right, and let me read this.

01:41:12.000 Remember, I think the break came when I was doing Dr. Reginald Lurie.

01:41:17.000 This goes back 1971.

01:41:20.000 President of the Joint Commission, the Comprehensive Child Development Act.

01:41:24.000 That passed by both Congress and the Senate in 71.

01:41:27.000 We have that.

01:41:28.000 That's why we have all these people coming into our homes, early age, taking kids away from us, etc.

01:41:34.000 Now, he said, quote, he's president of the Joint Commission.

01:41:38.000 There is serious thinking among some of the future-oriented child development research people that maybe we can't trust the family alone to prepare young children for this new kind of world which is emerging.

01:41:50.000 The Soviets have long recognized the shortcomings of the family.

01:41:54.000 That is one of the reasons they felt they needed to have access to the babies.

01:41:59.000 During the first 18 months of life, the brain is growing faster than it ever will again.

01:42:03.000 It is then also more plastic and most available for appropriate experience and corrective.

01:42:10.000 Intervention.

01:42:11.000 And that's why they openly say in Europe and here that they want to get people on welfare so they get the children and now they're offering even middle-class people, oh, let us take care of your baby.

01:42:21.000 Let us pay the kids to stay late till 8 o'clock at night.

01:42:24.000 I mean, this is the total takeover.

01:42:26.000 Well, absolutely, and it is.

01:42:28.000 I'd like to point out that in the U.S.

01:42:30.000 Department of Education, I was there for not terribly long, two years, not quite.

01:42:36.000 And that Department of Education is a Marxist factory.

01:42:41.000 And thank God for Ron Paul.

01:42:44.000 He's the only one that constantly is talking about bringing it down.

01:42:48.000 If that was all he recommended, folks, he should be president for that.

01:42:54.000 Because the future of our country depends on how our children have been educated as little individuals for upward mobility, having an understanding of the world, not trained like rats.

01:43:06.000 to go along with the New World Order. 0.76

01:43:08.000 Now, Charlotte, I like to go back to the start because I've read all these quotes and you're the grand expert on this.

01:43:14.000 But I remember reading the National Association of Banks in right around 1900.

01:43:20.000 I'm going from memory.

01:43:21.000 I remember reading the National Association of Psychologists, Psychiatrists in the 40s, where they said the Americans are the smartest, they read the best, all the inventions are from here.

01:43:30.000 We've got to, they've used words like dumb them down, lower their horizons, constrict them, teach them to be cogs in the planned society.

01:43:38.000 The middle class is going to compete with the social planners.

01:43:40.000 They're upstarts.

01:43:42.000 We've got to dumb them down, use chemicals, whatever we have to. 0.97

01:43:45.000 Uh, to control them.

01:43:47.000 They openly said they were going to do this, just by making education boring and not making sense they do it.

01:43:52.000 And it took us from the highest test scores way down.

01:43:55.000 Uh, and I'm going from memory, but on that National Banking Association document about how we gotta take over education and stop them from reading.

01:44:02.000 I mean, you know, now they can claim it's for all these reasons, and you're four or five generations into cult-like teachers and social workers.

01:44:08.000 A lot of them are good.

01:44:09.000 A lot of them don't see the big picture.

01:44:10.000 Even though they are good, they can't fight back much.

01:44:12.000 In the system, but we have their own words where they admit this was about taking control of society and dumbing down.

01:44:18.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:44:20.000 And, you know, for those who really want a good document to show, to people who say, oh, well, you know, things aren't so bad, the education schools aren't so bad, at American Deception, there's an entry, and it doesn't take much, it's about eight pages, and go in there, folks, and just type in the search engine up there, PIGNITE.

01:44:42.000 H-I-G-N-I-T-E. 1.00

01:44:47.000 And you are going to see there a test on the Constitution that is about 12 pages long.

01:44:55.000 This Kenny Hignite, someone at a conference in California gave this to me, gave me the actual test with Kenny Hignite's handwriting on it.

01:45:03.000 He got 99 on it.

01:45:04.000 This was in 1953 in Central California Public School.

01:45:10.000 Go there, read it.

01:45:11.000 It is the most difficult test.

01:45:13.000 He had to name all the cabinet officials.

01:45:14.000 He had to know all the Bill of Rights.

01:45:16.000 He had to understand the Constitution, the three branches of government.

01:45:20.000 He had to know, unbelievable, the protections, everything, and he got 99.

01:45:26.000 Go there and look at it, and you know what you can do with that?

01:45:30.000 You can cut and paste, and you can send that to anybody you want on a computer and prove to them This was America's public school system as late as 1953.

01:45:43.000 So it was a deliberate, you know, from 1945 on, he just escaped it.

01:45:49.000 45 on, that was the UN, going to the UN, UNESCO, get rid of academics, you know, Brock Chisholm, the teacher becomes the psychiatrist, then we have the agreement for the Soviet Union, Reagan signed, merging the two systems, all of that came after 45.

01:46:06.000 But this was 53 before Hignite had been hit, when there were still very good teachers around.

01:46:13.000 There still are some who try to do this.

01:46:15.000 But look at that, because it shows how very deliberate this whole agenda has been to dumb down your children, to strip them of their values, to make them into the little new Soviet man, because everything in education has been Sovietized by now, because everything in education has been Sovietized by now, exclusively. 0.77

01:46:35.000 Exactly.

01:46:36.000 It goes right along with William Foster's book.

01:46:39.000 He was chairman of the Communist Party USA in the 30s, buried in the Kremlin, and he said, called for a U.S.

01:46:47.000 Department of Ed.

01:46:48.000 Call for getting rid of religion. 1.00

01:46:50.000 Call for putting in the scientific Pavlovian method.

01:46:53.000 Call for all of these things that are being taught in the schools now.

01:46:57.000 And it's been done.

01:46:58.000 It's a done deal.

01:46:59.000 So, all of those, your wonderful listeners out there who are homeschooling, Or who are in private schools that don't accept a penny of any form of tax money, federal, state, or local.

01:47:12.000 Those are the people whose children are going to save this country.

01:47:17.000 And the public schools, I'm sorry to say it, because I'm a great supporter, always have been, of public education, because it was the best system in the world.

01:47:27.000 But all the money that's gone in, the multi-billions of dollars, trillions of dollars, from 1981 when I was there, the Department of Ed was $12 billion.

01:47:35.000 Now it's $67 billion.

01:47:38.000 And that's the centerpiece, the headquarters for distributing all the destructive, anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-common sense programs for retraining teachers, deliberately ruining your children, making them into robots. 0.53

01:47:53.000 I want to throw a program note in here.

01:47:55.000 I was on the message board and professors and all these other people were finding all these other horrible quotes saying the family's bad, the family has to be gotten rid of, the family is a sickness, a disease.

01:48:04.000 And then now it moved off of the PrisonPlanet.com forum.

01:48:09.000 I can't find it in the subpages and I can't find it in recent posts.

01:48:12.000 Can somebody, I know it grew full of quotes and I want to go back and vet those and follow those back for an article we're doing.

01:48:19.000 Can whoever has that page repost it in a recent post or post it at the top or something.

01:48:27.000 Charlotte, I know you had other quotes you wanted to read before we hit that break 30 minutes ago.

01:48:31.000 Do you want to read any more quotes you didn't have time to get to about the family being bad?

01:48:35.000 Well, yeah, I can read this.

01:48:37.000 I think I did.

01:48:37.000 This one is good.

01:48:39.000 This is from Arthur.

01:48:39.000 This may hook into what you were talking about.

01:48:42.000 Arthur Calhoun's A Social History of the American Family in 1919.

01:48:47.000 There are three volumes, I believe, and in the third volume he says, quote, Is that the higher and more obligatory relation is to society, rather than to the family.

01:49:01.000 The family goes back to the age of savagery, while the state belongs to the age of civilization.

01:49:09.000 The modern individual is a world citizen served by the world, and home interest can no longer be supreme.

01:49:15.000 As soon as the new family, consisting of only the parents and the children, stood forth, Society saw how many were unfit for parenthood and began to realize the need of community care.

01:49:30.000 And he goes on there, if you want the rest of the quote... No, no, that's it!

01:49:33.000 What they did is, it wasn't a 1919 book.

01:49:35.000 They took that quote, and then in the UT textbook I was looking at, when they were using there, University of Texas at Austin, it then went on to say it's that the family's a disease.

01:49:45.000 But you just found it, Charlotte!

01:49:46.000 That's it!

01:49:47.000 Erin, she found it!

01:49:48.000 She found it!

01:49:49.000 Stand by!

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01:53:21.000 Every educator, every person that has children in a government education camp, indoctrination center, Now again, we're four or five generations into this.

01:53:29.000 The average social worker, the average teacher doesn't even see what's happening around them.

01:53:33.000 In the founding documents right through the seventies, they were quite honest.

01:53:36.000 They're still honest.

01:53:38.000 In higher level documents for master educators, special schools they're sent to, even above the masters and PhD level.

01:53:47.000 And correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, Charlotte.

01:53:49.000 So, some social worker listening may not even know this, but it's the attitude, it's the idea, it's the guilty until proven innocent.

01:53:56.000 It's the whole system of destroying families and making us all cogs in this larger system.

01:54:01.000 The sodium fluoride in the water to dumb us down, now public.

01:54:04.000 That's not even Scientific American admits that.

01:54:08.000 As you said, the people now know this is going on.

01:54:10.000 They don't know the full horror or the full details.

01:54:13.000 But even George Carlin gets up and says the corporations, you know, run the system and dumb everybody down.

01:54:18.000 You know, when he talks about education.

01:54:20.000 They test to see how much they've dumbed you down, then they lower the test bar.

01:54:25.000 Charlotte, re-intro, what year he wrote that, 1919, the name, because Aaron missed that.

01:54:30.000 You mean Calhoun?

01:54:33.000 Wait a minute, I've got it here.

01:54:35.000 I think.

01:54:36.000 Let's see.

01:54:38.000 I hope.

01:54:39.000 I'll have to look for it and give it to you when I find it, because I threw it away when you said that you... that I found it.

01:54:46.000 So I lost it, but I will give it to you.

01:54:50.000 It's okay.

01:54:50.000 It's Calhoun 1919.

01:54:51.000 We got a bunch of books you wrote.

01:54:52.000 We can find and go back and listen to today.

01:54:54.000 Yes, I can.

01:54:54.000 I'll get it for you before this is over with.

01:54:57.000 But I do... there's something very important in regard to The mental health testing and all of the... I found that for you.

01:55:07.000 Here it is.

01:55:07.000 Third volume, Arthur Calhoun's The Social History of the American Family, 1919.

01:55:11.000 And I want to give Dennis Cuddy...

01:55:16.000 You know, credit for this.

01:55:17.000 Dennis has this in his marvelous chronology of education, which I stole from him and put on americandeception.com.

01:55:25.000 I just got sort of his permission now.

01:55:27.000 We're good friends.

01:55:28.000 But that is Dennis' wonderful chronology of education.

01:55:31.000 It can be purchased from Dennis, but it also is at americandeception.com.

01:55:36.000 And this is on page 14 of Dennis's chronology.

01:55:41.000 1919, about Arthur Calhoun, a social history of the American family.

01:55:47.000 Okay?

01:55:47.000 So anyway, let's give credit to Dennis.

01:55:50.000 And also, I wanted another thing, before I forget.

01:55:53.000 We're talking about the justice system in this country.

01:55:57.000 We've only got a minute left, Charlotte.

01:55:59.000 Wrap it up.

01:55:59.000 Alright.

01:56:00.000 Hawaii Master Plan.

01:56:02.000 That's page 85 in my book and it calls for, it says right here, 1971, it says, recent discoveries from the field of biochemistry suggest that all these drugs will improve learning such as persistence, the application of biochemical research findings, will be a source of controversy when children become the object of such experimentation.

01:56:26.000 Schools will be conceivably swept in a whole new area of collaboration and research with biochemists and psychologists to improve learning.

01:56:33.000 This was planned.

01:56:35.000 The Hawaii Master Plan, a lot of it is in my book, Delivered Dumbing Downs.

01:56:39.000 Get the book.

01:56:39.000 And that's the new Freedom Initiative.

01:56:42.000 Yes.

01:56:45.000 It is.

01:56:46.000 And any child that believes in God or doesn't like world government, when he's screened, he'll be flagged. 0.98

01:56:53.000 He's sick.

01:56:55.000 And again, it's because you can have no God but them. 0.92

01:56:58.000 That's why they attack it.

01:56:59.000 It's not because they're these enlightened atheists.

01:57:02.000 Charlotte, is there a deliberate dumbing down dot com?

01:57:05.000 We will talk to you in the very near future.

01:57:07.000 I want to have you back up in the next few weeks.

01:57:09.000 We're doing a lot on education.

01:57:11.000 God bless you for all your great work.

01:57:12.000 Thank you so much, Alex, and best to everybody.

01:57:15.000 What a great lady. 1.00

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01:59:02.000 If we don't engage them and try to vote and don't fight back, we know they're going to win.

01:59:08.000 So people need to be ready for a fight.

01:59:09.000 Go ahead.

01:59:12.000 Yeah, I just also wanted to say, you know, any presidential candidate or anybody running for any office, they say a lot.

01:59:22.000 Everybody says a lot.

01:59:23.000 You hear a lot.

01:59:23.000 It all kind of sounds the same.

01:59:24.000 It's all about change.

01:59:25.000 But when it comes back down to it, Ron Paul is always saying exactly what nobody else is saying.

01:59:31.000 It's the things that need to be said.

01:59:33.000 And he really sounds like the only person in the world that listens and knows what's going on around him and is telling everybody, hey, this is how we fix it.

01:59:43.000 And every issue he supports, controlling the borders, being against abortion, they're all above 70% points now.

01:59:49.000 Thanks for the call.

01:59:50.000 I mean, it's also just so happens that what's constitutional is what is popular.

01:59:56.000 But the system, the establishment, both parties are against that.

01:59:59.000 Bill in Ohio, thanks for holding your ear on the air.

02:00:01.000 Alex, you rock.

02:00:02.000 You are the beacon of light in a world of darkness and controlled media and edited media.

02:00:09.000 No, you guys, you guys are.

02:00:11.000 I love hearing from you.

02:00:12.000 No, you are.

02:00:13.000 Go ahead.

02:00:14.000 You rock, my friend.

02:00:15.000 I love you.

02:00:16.000 I wanted to point out a couple things.

02:00:18.000 Just really two comments.

02:00:20.000 Had a friend travel to see family in the Middle East.

02:00:23.000 Went through Ben Gurion Airport, Israeli airport.

02:00:27.000 He was interrogated like most males.

02:00:29.000 He's American-born citizen just like you and I, Alex.

02:00:31.000 Pays his taxes, the whole nine.

02:00:33.000 He's a good guy.

02:00:35.000 Interrogated over four hours.

02:00:37.000 Literally a full-body cavity search.

02:00:40.000 They printed up five years worth of his phone records.

02:00:45.000 They questioned him about said phone calls when he was not sure His phone calls were played back for him.

02:00:56.000 Yeah, I mean, you know Israel.

02:00:59.000 Israel actually owns, the government owns and controls the company that controls 99%.

02:01:03.000 There's a few smaller systems that don't for caller ID.

02:01:08.000 The NSA is global.

02:01:09.000 Everything's recorded.

02:01:10.000 But see, they're introducing it to us by going, Al-Qaeda. 0.85

02:01:13.000 We only listen to Al-Qaeda. 1.00

02:01:14.000 No, it's everything.

02:01:15.000 Go ahead.

02:01:16.000 I wanted to mention that.

02:01:17.000 I believe it has something to do with the M-Docs, although I'm not certain of that.

02:01:20.000 There was something on YouTube.

02:01:21.000 Some of your listeners can go to it.

02:01:22.000 I'm not sure if that's what they're talking about.

02:01:23.000 Sonny, what else were they saying to him as they played back phone calls?

02:01:26.000 Played back?

02:01:27.000 So, not only are they doing billing, they are doing recording.

02:01:30.000 They are archiving the whole nine.

02:01:33.000 It's scary.

02:01:36.000 I don't know if you saw it.

02:01:37.000 You know, I read the Harettes and the Jerusalem Post daily.

02:01:41.000 It actually is amazing how much more information you can get out of their media.

02:01:45.000 But this was on the 9th of January when Bush was over there visiting.

02:01:48.000 He got a big thank you from the Chief Rabbi there, Metzger, who said, I want to thank you for your support of Israel, and in particular, for waging a war against Iraq. 0.73

02:01:58.000 And Bush mentioned to him that those words, quote, warmed his heart.

02:02:02.000 So I don't know if you've ever touched on the oil pipeline to Haifa, Israel.

02:02:05.000 I'd like to hear your thoughts on it, though.

02:02:07.000 Well, that's what it is.

02:02:08.000 The Israeli plan from 1983 brought into U.S. 0.76

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02:02:18.000 That's the policy.

02:02:19.000 The policy... You rock, man.

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02:02:22.000 Thank you.

02:02:22.000 Good to hear from you.

02:02:24.000 Now, man, just separately from what he said, because that's anecdotal, we already know that.

02:02:30.000 The NSA is the phone company.

02:02:33.000 They just have to get ready to announce it to you.

02:02:35.000 Kind of like Austins put cameras up everywhere ten years ago, now they're announcing they're watching you, see?

02:02:40.000 They have to get around to it.

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02:06:11.000 Okay, ladies and gentlemen, in the next eight months to a year, I'm shooting for eight months.

02:06:16.000 I usually meet deadlines, but a lot's going on.

02:06:18.000 I intend to release what is the definitive JFK film.

02:06:23.000 We've got some other important interviews we want to do.

02:06:25.000 We've done, of course, one with St.

02:06:27.000 John Hunt and his wife, a son of the famous spy master-in-chief, E. Howard Hunt, of Watergate fame, Bay of Pigs, overthrowing A whole bunch of third world countries, CIA section chief, head of western intelligence, you know, Ethan Hunt on Mission Impossible, that's named after his father, he consulted on the films.

02:06:48.000 So, this is a big deal.

02:06:50.000 But for our safety, because the five minute audio tape's been out there, it's been on Coast to Coast AM, it's been here, it's been on Xtrub, we've played that here, we're going to play a few more minutes of that today that you heard six months ago here, or five, six months ago.

02:07:04.000 But there is also hours and hours of videotape.

02:07:08.000 I'm just going to leave it at that.

02:07:11.000 And again, in an audio tape he went the furthest.

02:07:14.000 And he said, don't release it until after I die.

02:07:16.000 But he knew he could go to prison for violating his national security oath.

02:07:20.000 He knew he could go to prison for speaking out about this.

02:07:23.000 Or he could be convicted if he said he was involved.

02:07:25.000 So he couched it.

02:07:26.000 But he didn't couch it on the audio tape.

02:07:28.000 He slightly couches it here.

02:07:31.000 In some audio from this video we're going to air that St.

02:07:33.000 John's authorizes us to play clips of.

02:07:36.000 And then of course you'll see the video and a little bit more.

02:07:38.000 We're not going to air all of it here in the film when it comes out.

02:07:41.000 But this is too important historically.

02:07:43.000 Too important also to our safety.

02:07:44.000 You know, St.

02:07:45.000 John hadn't talked about on air.

02:07:49.000 Some things that he went ahead and told me about on film in Dallas, Texas.

02:07:54.000 And so we'll tell you about just that whole process, what it was like for him to be there, but also the fact that his home was broken into, well, not broken into, it was, they got in without breaking anything.

02:08:04.000 They ransacked all the papers, tore things open, just like you see in the movies when somebody's been looking for something.

02:08:09.000 Then they tried to run him off the road when he was on a highway, you know, right there in Northern California off the cliffs.

02:08:16.000 This is serious, serious business that we're talking about.

02:08:20.000 It's very historical.

02:08:21.000 But I just want to say I really hit it off with St. John.

02:08:24.000 He's a really classy guy.

02:08:25.000 His wife Mona is really classy.

02:08:27.000 It was great to see this character with Jim Mars who knew Jack Ruby, who went to his nightclub, and there's famous pictures of him dancing on the table with the girls, Jim Mars, when he was a college student.

02:08:43.000 And, of course, his photo was then used by the Congressional Committee in 79, the Assassination Committee that did find it was a government conspiracy and an assassination.

02:08:52.000 Did you know the government found that?

02:08:54.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

02:08:55.000 The debunkers, the General Posner and everyone talked about that on television.

02:08:59.000 So, just amazing individuals.

02:09:02.000 Jim's consulting on the film.

02:09:03.000 So is St.

02:09:04.000 John Hunt.

02:09:06.000 And, uh, Saint, uh, too bad you live in California, because, uh, by the way, he has a very popular blues band.

02:09:13.000 He's a fan of Jimmy Vaughn.

02:09:15.000 I can't wait to get you here to Austin for the premiere.

02:09:17.000 Hopefully you and Jimmy can hook up.

02:09:18.000 Because I'm friends with Jimmy and his wife.

02:09:20.000 I know Jimmy would hit it off with you, because you're both classy guys.

02:09:23.000 And I just want to say, uh, that I wish you lived around here, because I know we'd be friends.

02:09:29.000 Well, Alex, I wish I lived around there, too, because I know we'd be even better friends than we already are.

02:09:34.000 I already consider you a very close and personal friend of mine, and I think we had a great meeting of the minds.

02:09:43.000 It was great to meet Jim Mars down there, but you are one heck of a Of a dude, man.

02:09:49.000 Let me tell you.

02:09:51.000 Well, I just enjoyed meeting you.

02:09:52.000 You're just a really intelligent, funny, classy guy.

02:09:56.000 And of course, we are friends.

02:09:57.000 By friends, I mean, you know, hanging out, going to the movies, friends.

02:10:00.000 Yeah.

02:10:00.000 Oh, exactly.

02:10:01.000 Yeah.

02:10:01.000 This is not just business.

02:10:02.000 We have now a personal friendship that I think is going to last, you know, until the day it's all over.

02:10:09.000 Well, I hope that's a long time from now.

02:10:12.000 Now, St.

02:10:13.000 John, Kind of like the same questions I asked you there at the Knoll in the hotel room and on the building there on the top of the Hyatt overlooking Dallas.

02:10:21.000 What was it like to go back to the Knoll?

02:10:23.000 What was it like to come back to that place?

02:10:25.000 When we picked you up from the airport, when you touched the ground, when you got into Dallas, it was Dealey Plaza.

02:10:30.000 What was that whole experience like?

02:10:32.000 Well, Alex, it was truly an amazing experience for me.

02:10:36.000 It was many-faceted.

02:10:38.000 First of all, once I got on the ground there at Dealey Plaza, and even from the hotel room when I looked out over the plaza, I mean, it was just such an awakening feeling to realize that this was exactly where I was.

02:10:58.000 I'd seen so many pictures of Dealey Plaza before, and seen the movie stills of the Zapruder film, but you just don't really get that concrete of an idea of how really tiny of an area it is.

02:11:12.000 I mean, and this is the perfect place for an assassination.

02:11:18.000 When I was looking out over Union Plaza from the hotel room, it struck me like a lightning bolt of how well this operation was planned.

02:11:29.000 This was no fly-by-night, last-minute, sit-in-your-pants, gumshoe operation where somebody just grabbed a rifle and ran from their house and just, you know, threw something to get the last minute.

02:11:42.000 This was a completely professionally planned operation.

02:11:45.000 And being there at Dealey Plaza not only was eye-opening for me, but it was extremely emotional for me.

02:11:53.000 This was an incident that, you know, affected, well, not only myself, but, I mean, the entire nation and at large the entire world.

02:12:05.000 And so I think that's a good thing.

02:12:07.000 To be there talking about this, to go up to the Grassy Knoll, to be behind the picket fence, to see the railroad tower where Lee Bowers saw the two assassins from the rear as they fired the fatal headshot.

02:12:21.000 This incredible stuff it was just it was just a very moving very emotional and very eye-opening for me.

02:12:28.000 Your assessment of Jim Mars?

02:12:31.000 Jim Mars, what a character that guy is.

02:12:33.000 He has got to be the most... I mean, he's got to be the authority on, you know, the final word.

02:12:42.000 He's the most profoundly intelligent, and I respect him greatly for his vast knowledge of the details surrounding all aspects of not only the JFK assassination, but of 9-11 and the Bilderberg conspiracy and just many, many, but of 9-11 and the Bilderberg conspiracy and just many, many, many details in our I thought he was personally, he was a great guy, kind of a feisty Texan.

02:13:10.000 He likes to have a beer, and I like to have a beer with him.

02:13:14.000 He's just easy to talk to.

02:13:17.000 He's just authoritative.

02:13:18.000 He mixes no words.

02:13:20.000 He talks, you know, he shows up.

02:13:22.000 I really, again, enjoyed meeting your wife.

02:13:23.000 I'm just really personalizing this because it was personal for me.

02:13:26.000 intellectually savvy individual very very nice man yeah he's a sweetheart i really again enjoyed meeting your wife i'm just really personalizing this is was personal for me the courage that you guys have doing this i hate to bring your mother up but it's such an integral part I mean, they blew her up coming into Midway Airfield, coming into Chicago.

02:13:47.000 You know, they told you guys to shut up.

02:13:49.000 Just the stories in person of you during Watergate when you're carrying money around for your dad from being followed by the FBI.

02:13:57.000 Just all of it.

02:13:58.000 Let's go ahead and get into JFK now, and then coming up in the next segment, I'm going to play first some clips from the audio that was already released, and then some of the audio from the video that's never before.

02:14:07.000 This is its maiden voyage here on air today.

02:14:11.000 But let's talk about something that people don't know or haven't heard before.

02:14:16.000 I mean, really, because you're, I wouldn't call you a shy guy, but you know, you don't, You know say it all just in one run you had your place broken into you had somebody try to run you off the road days before And then after some events that happened when the Rolling Stone cover story came out I mean with the tail talk about your place what happened?

02:14:36.000 Well, I had just moved into to a house with a with a friend of mine and this was around This was April That's when the Rolling Stone article broke, Last Confession of E. Howard Hunt.

02:14:52.000 It was within three days of that.

02:14:56.000 That story breaking that somebody had slipped in, without breaking anything actually, just kind of like swept in through the wind and rifled all the paperwork in all the rooms in that house, gone through all of my stuff, gone through all of my roommate's stuff.

02:15:18.000 And there was no jewelry missing, there was no DVDs missing, no television, no stereo sets were stolen, nothing was, everything was accounted for, but all the paperwork, all the files had been ransacked and pulled out and all the manila envelopes had been opened up and strewn about, so I mean it was obvious that they weren't there, whoever was there, they weren't looking for jewelry or you know, any items that you could take to a pawn shop and pawn.

02:15:45.000 So it didn't seem like it was a normal break-in, some, you know, drug-crazed, you know, drug addict coming in to steal stuff.

02:15:55.000 So it seemed kind of really creepy to me.

02:15:57.000 And then, of course, a few days after that, I was driving home alone.

02:16:03.000 It was late at night, about 11 p.m., and I was taking a kind of lonely stretch of highway by the coast called Samoa Boulevard.

02:16:15.000 And it's not a route I usually take, but I did notice that when I left the parking lot of Mona's home, Where I was visiting with her before we moved in.

02:16:26.000 I picked up a tail of somebody behind me with a car that was parked on the street, followed me all the way from her place, all the way to the little town of Arcata, and then from there I take another street, another road that goes to this little stretch of highway that has no lights or anything.

02:16:43.000 It's very desolate out there.

02:16:45.000 It's right by Humboldt Bay.

02:16:48.000 Yeah, right on the very edge.

02:16:49.000 tried to run me off the road.

02:16:51.000 I mean, they damn near succeeded.

02:16:52.000 It was very frightening.

02:16:53.000 Just like in the movies, they were accelerating right up on your tail, coming up beside you.

02:16:57.000 You finally pulled over.

02:16:58.000 You sat on a tiny piece of sand just right on a cliff.

02:17:03.000 Yeah, right on the very edge.

02:17:04.000 And they just came up really fast behind me.

02:17:07.000 I thought they were going to smash right into me.

02:17:10.000 And I accelerated as much as I could in my car.

02:17:13.000 And then they backed off a little bit.

02:17:16.000 They dropped their speed.

02:17:17.000 And then they came back for another charge.

02:17:19.000 And I just knew.

02:17:22.000 I just felt these guys were going to just bump me right off the road.

02:17:25.000 And that was going to be the end of me.

02:17:27.000 So I swerved off the side at the very last minute.

02:17:29.000 And, you know, my car was just on the very precipice of the road.

02:17:34.000 Of the edge there.

02:17:35.000 St.

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02:22:04.000 I want to re-air part of the original tape.

02:22:10.000 This is an audio tape.

02:22:11.000 We're going to come back and have St.

02:22:12.000 John comment on the audio tape.

02:22:13.000 Then we're going to play the new audio off the new video, Never Before Heard.

02:22:17.000 Again, here is the introduction.

02:22:20.000 I heard from Frank that LBJ had designated Gordon Meyer Jr.

02:22:28.000 to undertake a larger organization while keeping it totally secret.

02:22:35.000 Cord Meier himself was a rather favored member of the Eastern aristocracy.

02:22:45.000 He was a graduate of Yale University and had joined the Marine Corps during the war and lost an eye in the Pacific fighting.

02:22:58.000 I think that LBJ settled on Meier As an opportunist parent, like himself a parent, and a man who had very little left to him in life ever since JFK had taken Kord's wife as one of his mistresses.

02:23:23.000 I would suggest that Kord Meier welcomed the approach from LBJ, who was after all Only the Vice President at that time, of course, could not number Cord Meyer among JFK's admirers.

02:23:44.000 Quite the contrary.

02:23:46.000 As for Dave Phillips, I knew him pretty well at one time.

02:23:50.000 He worked for me during the Guatemala project.

02:23:56.000 He made himself useful to the agency in Santiago, Chile.

02:24:02.000 Where he was an American businessman.

02:24:05.000 In any case, his actions, whatever they were, came to the attention of the Santiago station chief and when his resume became known To, uh, people in the Western Hemisphere Division.

02:24:24.000 He was, uh, brought in, uh, to, uh, work on, uh, Guatemalan operations.

02:24:33.000 Spruce and Morales and, uh, people of that, uh, yoke, stayed in, uh, apartment houses, uh, during preparations for, uh, the big event, uh,

02:24:49.000 Their addresses were very subject to change, so that where a fellow like Wallace had been one day, he was not necessarily associated with that same address the following day.

02:25:05.000 In short, it was a very mobile experience.

02:25:09.000 Let me point out at this point that if I had wanted to fictionalize what went on In Miami and elsewhere during the run up for the big event, I would have done so, but I don't want any unreality to change this particular story, or the information I should say.

02:25:37.000 I was a bench warmer on it, and I had a reputation for honesty.

02:25:44.000 I think it's essential to refocus On what this information that I've been providing you, and you alone by the way, consists of.

02:25:55.000 What is important in the story is that we've backtracked the chain of command up through Kordmeier and laying the doings at the doorstep of LBJ.

02:26:16.000 He, in my opinion, had an almost maniacal urge to become president.

02:26:24.000 He regarded JFK as he was, in fact, an obstacle to achieving that.

02:26:33.000 He could have waited for JFK to finish out his term and then undoubtedly a second term.

02:26:40.000 So that would have put LBJ At the head of a long list of people who were waiting for some change in the executive branch.

02:26:51.000 Okay, when we come back, we're going to play the rest of the new information ever before heard.

02:26:56.000 Again, we've got about 30 seconds, but St.

02:26:58.000 John, through the chronology, there's the written notes with the chain of command, there is this audio tape and the videotape.

02:27:05.000 Give us the chronology of what came first.

02:27:08.000 Well, the first thing that came about was the audio tape.

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02:27:27.000 That prompted me to fly down to Miami and speak with my father.

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02:30:56.000 St. John Hunt, firstborn son of E. Howard Hunt.

02:31:12.000 He just mailed his son this tape.

02:31:15.000 He thought he was dying in 2004.

02:31:16.000 St.

02:31:16.000 John flew out there.

02:31:18.000 He did finally die last year.

02:31:19.000 And in the space of that time, he did handwritten notes with the command structure of LBJ at the top, right through Kordmeier and the rest of them.

02:31:28.000 And now there's this video, quite a bit of it, his whole life, CIA, OSS, World War II, before that, right through everything, sniping on the Yalu River, all of it.

02:31:39.000 You're going to hear a few minutes today, never before heard, and Aaron has selected these clips out.

02:31:45.000 Aaron, specifically, just so St.

02:31:48.000 John knows what clips are about to play so he can comment on them, Aaron, specifically tell folks about some of the clips we've got here.

02:31:53.000 Primarily, we're looking at E. Howard Hunt discussing LBJ's roles and motivations.

02:32:01.000 Uh, he wanted the power of the presidency, and directly implies he was hooked up with William Harvey, a top CIA agent, who Howard Hunt himself says was several ranks above Howard Hunt's level.

02:32:13.000 And then about Oswald, he says that he was basically a low-level nobody, so he was easy to burn.

02:32:20.000 Yeah, that clip's not in there though, but that's on the tape.

02:32:23.000 Oh, I want that clip.

02:32:24.000 Can you, during the next break, maybe run out and send it up?

02:32:27.000 Okay, fantastic.

02:32:28.000 St.

02:32:29.000 John Hunt, you've led to the point of you're in Miami.

02:32:32.000 You fly out there after he sends you the tape.

02:32:34.000 Go ahead.

02:32:34.000 Yeah, I received the tape from him and I was stunned and shocked at what he was...

02:32:42.000 telling me on the cassette tape that you played part of.

02:32:45.000 So I flew down to Miami, and during the next week we managed to have some time alone, not too much, but in the very short amount of time we had alone, he wrote out in his own hand on some memo paper the chain of command he wrote out in his own hand on some memo paper the chain of command and then a more detailed chronology starting in 1963 about meetings he had with David Morales and Frank Sturgis concerning a larger operation

02:32:58.000 He wrote out in his own hand on some memo paper the chain of command and then a more detailed chronology starting in 1963 about meetings he had with David Morales and Frank Sturgis concerning a larger operation called the Big Event, which was headed by Bill Harvey to assassinate President Kennedy.

02:33:22.000 And then after that, I flew back to California and then it was in April 2005 that I flew again to Miami to conduct what was to become his last video interview, which I filmed in a hotel on which I filmed in a hotel on Miami Beach with my father.

02:33:43.000 And I think you're going to play some clips from that.

02:33:47.000 Yeah, we're going to play clips.

02:33:49.000 I'll just abruptly stop it.

02:33:50.000 You can comment, then St.

02:33:52.000 John, and I'll probably have some comments, and Aaron's got some.

02:33:55.000 Let's go ahead and start rolling that. 0.51

02:33:57.000 And we know that LBJ had an unlimited ambition, and we know that he was a corrupt individual, and that the dollar sign was very important to him as vice president.

02:34:16.000 He didn't have the leverage that a president did or would.

02:34:23.000 And so that was an attractive goal for LBJ.

02:34:28.000 In other words, he did not want his career to come to an end as vice president.

02:34:36.000 I think it was very, very important to him that he take advantage As to the extent that he could as Vice President, because just a few things had to be accomplished. 0.73

02:34:52.000 He had to kill Kennedy, or have him killed I should say, and be guilt free himself. 0.55

02:35:02.000 Then he could go on and do what he wanted to do as President of the United States. 0.91

02:35:12.000 It was a very tempting And almost a logical move on his part.

02:35:23.000 It wouldn't have been hard for him to talk to... I keep thinking about Bill Harvey.

02:35:31.000 Call Harvey and say, look, there's some things I want to have done.

02:35:36.000 And I think it's... I mean, Harvey didn't want just another An additional CIA salary.

02:35:53.000 He wanted to move on.

02:35:56.000 And LBJ could do that for him.

02:35:59.000 If he were president, he couldn't do much for Harvey or anybody as vice president.

02:36:09.000 It doesn't speak well for our democracy at that particular time.

02:36:14.000 But I think if it happened just that way, it'll be Jay who got people, got officers, who had the ability, the skill, to go ahead and do what he would have done even if it involved the presidency of the United States.

02:36:42.000 All right.

02:36:44.000 I think it's clear to explain here.

02:36:46.000 We've got written notes that basically mesh with the audio.

02:36:51.000 And then on video, he's obviously now a little more conflicted.

02:36:54.000 He's a little more conscious that this is going to be actual video of him.

02:36:57.000 And believe me, it's powerful.

02:36:58.000 I'm a little concerned even having this here in my office.

02:37:00.000 We've got copies everywhere now.

02:37:02.000 You do too.

02:37:02.000 We're doing this mainly for our safety.

02:37:05.000 Uh, right now.

02:37:06.000 But, uh, you can tell that he's a bit conflicted, holding back a little bit here, but still the power of this, uh, actually being, um, video.

02:37:15.000 St.

02:37:16.000 John Hunt comments.

02:37:17.000 I mean, he's talking about the incredible avarice, the desire here, wanting to be the president.

02:37:23.000 Uh, he was going to be too old to wait.

02:37:26.000 Uh, give us your take.

02:37:27.000 Well, I think you put it very well there, and I think my father was very concerned about actually going on videotape with this, but he had agreed to do this in the previous year with me, and by the time I got back to him in Florida, he had undergone

02:37:54.000 A tremendous amount of, he had withstood a tremendous amount of pressure from his immediate family that lived with him down there.

02:38:03.000 This was the second family after your mother was blown up and after he got out of prison for water.

02:38:09.000 Right.

02:38:10.000 You have to understand also that my father, of course, had testified twice before congressional and Senate investigative committees and stated under oath that he had no knowledge whatsoever on the assassination of had testified twice before congressional and Senate investigative committees and stated under You had testified.

02:38:32.000 And I had testified on my father's behalf during the Watergate investigation, the hearings in Washington, D.C.

02:38:40.000 That's a good point.

02:38:42.000 That's a good point to bring up now, that just recapping how that night he pulls you out of bed, has you clean the equipment, has you go throw it in the water there near the Potomac in the pond, and about how you saw all these guys, Sturgis and others, and then in Watergate supposedly he just met them.

02:38:57.000 Talk about that.

02:38:58.000 Well yeah, when my father testified under oath, when he had met Frank Sturgis, the running story was that he had met Frank through Bernard Barker, one of the other Cubans from Miami.

02:39:17.000 And that was what the story was that my father went with.

02:39:23.000 And he never admitted that he'd known Frank since before the Kennedy assassination, but on these handwritten memos, and to me personally, he admitted that he had met Frank many, many years before, during some of the run-ups for the Bay of Pigs, some of the exile meetings, and also during these run-up meetings for the big event, which was the operational code word for the assassination of President Kennedy.

02:39:52.000 Yeah.

02:39:53.000 And in this ongoing cover-up, you believe, and even mainstream media says it's obvious, that they blew your mother's plane up coming into Chicago.

02:40:01.000 Well, I do certainly think that there's enough conspicuous information that at least should mandate another investigation.

02:40:13.000 I think it's very, it goes beyond, you know, coincidence.

02:40:17.000 When you have one or two things that sort of I'm not a conspiracy theorist of any kind or a conspiracy nut or anything like that.

02:40:21.000 And I'm not a conspiracy theorist of any kind or, you know, a conspiracy nut or anything like that.

02:40:27.000 I'm just, you know, a very sort of simple person, just, you know, put my 40 hours of work in a week.

02:40:34.000 But when you have, what I've learned over the years, when you have a mounting amount of things that take place immediately after something like that plane crash, when you have President Nixon installing Eagle Krogh as the number one man when you have President Nixon installing Eagle Krogh as the number one man in the National Transportation and Safety Board the day after that plane came down, when you have Dwight Chapin, who became a board member of United Airlines within a few

02:41:05.000 The FBI breaking into the command tower and stealing the audio tapes which had the conversations between the cockpit crew of that flight and the tower there.

02:41:20.000 And the FBI showing up right as it blew up already.

02:41:23.000 They're having the plane specially diverted to a pretty much shut down airfield.

02:41:27.000 Now expanding from there, your mother also had something on her at the time, didn't she?

02:41:31.000 Yes, she did have something on her.

02:41:34.000 She had evidence that she and my father were using to pressure the Nixon White House, what they call blackmail, but my father never agreed that it was blackmail.

02:41:48.000 In fact, he always claimed that there was an Well, we have the Nixon tapes where he's going, how much does my son need?

02:41:57.000 A million dollars.

02:41:57.000 in the intelligence community where if you're on an op for your superiors, if you're doing something and you get caught, if you're doing something illegal or in a foreign country, even domestically, if you're caught or exposed or anything happens to you, your family gets taken care of.

02:42:14.000 Well, we have the Nixon tapes where he's going, how much does Hunt need?

02:42:17.000 A million dollars.

02:42:19.000 He goes, we can get that.

02:42:20.000 That's right.

02:42:21.000 And shortly thereafter, you know, my mother was sort of the paymaster.

02:42:29.000 She was going around picking up large sums of cash that had been stashed.

02:42:34.000 And she had been in intelligence, too, and even previously been married to a French prince.

02:42:40.000 Yeah, she had.

02:42:42.000 She had been involved in intelligence.

02:42:43.000 She was working for Abel Harriman.

02:42:46.000 She was tracking Nazi loot and art and gold across Europe.

02:42:51.000 She worked in Shanghai.

02:42:54.000 As a matter of fact, she was on the last train out of Shanghai when China fell to the Communists.

02:43:00.000 Uh, and she had a large, uh... Sank? 0.98

02:43:03.000 Yeah.

02:43:04.000 Sorry, go ahead.

02:43:04.000 She had a large... Oh, she had a large, a couple suitcases of cash, and she had a really nice little pearl-handled 32 that she showed me.

02:43:12.000 It's clear we're going to have to do another hour in the near future just to tell all these stories.

02:43:16.000 They're all so incredible.

02:43:18.000 It's such amazing history.

02:43:19.000 The Bay of Pigs, the Cuba stuff, the attempted assassinations, all the other materials, the info about the overthrow of other third world countries like Guatemala.

02:43:31.000 But the big question here I've got for you, and I should have asked you this beforehand so you could think about it, and if you need the break to think about it, that's fine.

02:43:36.000 We're going to play a few more clips here in a minute.

02:43:39.000 Uh, but did your father off video or off tape or off, you know, ever say anything else separate? 0.99

02:43:45.000 I mean, we know growing up he'd say, yeah, we need to kill all the Kennedys and, you know, finish the job, kill them all, and yeah, great, Bobby got it.

02:43:51.000 I mean, not just that stuff, but did he ever say anything else before he died about, yeah, we killed him, or was it all just on tape? 0.97

02:43:59.000 No, we had a lot of side conversations.

02:44:02.000 For example, when we left his house where I was staying with him in Miami, in north Miami, and we were on our way to the Holiday Inn there on Miami Beach to tape the section of videotape where and we were on our way to the Holiday Inn there on Miami Beach to tape the section of videotape where he talks about LBJ and the JFK assassination, I didn't know how much he was, at that point, how much he was going I didn't know how much he

02:44:36.000 Because he wouldn't even tell Kevin Costner when he'd been at the house.

02:44:39.000 Go ahead.

02:44:40.000 No, he wouldn't tell anybody.

02:44:41.000 And as it says on the audio tape, he gave this and trusted this information to me and to me alone.

02:44:46.000 And that was quite remarkable in itself, having been the black sheep of the family for so many years.

02:44:53.000 But being that as it may, we had many deep and serious conversations about how conflicted he was in all this.

02:45:03.000 And he went back and forth from from, you know, wanting to divulge the truth to to not wanting to.

02:45:10.000 And then, of course, I have to say, I don't want to go to prison.

02:45:13.000 I don't want to hurt my family.

02:45:15.000 What he would say exactly those things.

02:45:17.000 He said, I don't want to hurt my family.

02:45:18.000 I ruined my first family.

02:45:21.000 Your mother died because of all this stuff that I was involved in.

02:45:25.000 You children have had to bear the burden of shame and guilt surrounding his activities and because of his activities.

02:45:37.000 His second family was really a new birth for my father, E. Howard Hunt.

02:45:42.000 It was a new beginning.

02:45:43.000 And he did not want to tarnish their lives or affect their lives or their name in any way.

02:45:51.000 But you told me that this is just too historical.

02:45:53.000 That's the reason you're doing it.

02:45:54.000 And in the end, why do you think he did it?

02:45:58.000 In the end, I think he did it because he knew that it was of such a huge historical significance, and I think he wanted, you know, at the very end, he wanted to get this information out, you know, even if it was just, you know, just part of the story, which I don't think he, I mean, I know he didn't tell me the whole story, but I think he was brave enough to tell me what he told me.

02:46:19.000 And that was what LBJ really wanted.

02:46:22.000 There was nobody with the leverage that LBJ had.

02:46:24.000 was to do with this information what I thought was necessary and so that's what I'm doing with this I want to bring it to the world and that was that well we thank you for that let's finish up with this first clip we're gonna come back with another here it is okay and that was what LBJ really wanted there was nobody with the leverage and that LBJ had no competitor at all

02:46:47.000 he was the vice president and if he wanted to get rid of the president that he had the ability to do so by corrupting different people in CIA and

02:47:04.000 And he had to do it with the limitations of CIA, because there was no other group that honored Well, let's put this together a little bit.

02:47:22.000 and yes, then, the limitations, the way CIA did.

02:47:27.000 - Well, let's put this together a little bit.

02:47:29.000 I mean, you've said now that David Phillips apparently met with Oswald in Mexico City.

02:47:36.000 - Yeah. - Before the assassination.

02:47:38.000 You've said that Bill Harvey may very well have recruited a French or Corsican gunman to shoot.

02:47:46.000 And you've also said that Court Myer had a motive in that his wife was having an affair with John F. Kennedy.

02:47:53.000 So now you have three CIA officials Uh, who had, let's say, the means, motive, and opportunity, you know, or some connection to kill Kennedy.

02:48:04.000 That's true.

02:48:05.000 Yeah.

02:48:08.000 So, uh, if that's the case, then, I mean, there had to be one person, sort of, in charge, so to speak.

02:48:18.000 I mean, wouldn't that have been... B. Harvey.

02:48:21.000 B. Harvey?

02:48:22.000 Yep.

02:48:25.000 And they would, Phillips and the others, would take orders from Harvey?

02:48:29.000 Well, if he was in that chain, yes.

02:48:33.000 Because Harvey had the seniority.

02:48:38.000 But I think that LBJ was an opportunist.

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02:51:44.000 We don't need no education. - Yeah.

02:51:52.000 Look, there's going to be a part two to this interview where we flesh out the hour of video we've got and play a few other clips in the weeks to come and have St.

02:51:59.000 John Hunt back on.

02:52:00.000 I've got a few other questions for you and so does Erin Dykes.

02:52:03.000 You had a chance to meet up in Dallas.

02:52:04.000 But St.

02:52:05.000 John, before you go any further, plug your website and you've done a videotape presentation about all this that I think historically our listeners need to purchase and need to get.

02:52:15.000 Plus, all the work and energy and time you put into this is basically broken.

02:52:19.000 You're not a rich guy yourself.

02:52:20.000 You work in, you know, therapy, helping people who are quadriplegics.

02:52:25.000 And I hope people will financially support you by getting the DVD interview presentation you did.

02:52:30.000 It's excellent.

02:52:31.000 Give people the website and tell them how they can order it.

02:52:34.000 Well, you can go on my website, which is stjohnhunt.com, and on that website you'll be able to hear the audio confession that my dad sent me in 2004, as well as some other things if you just sort of click around, but there'll be a A place you can click on there to order the DVD.

02:53:02.000 It's an interview with me that I did last year.

02:53:04.000 It's a highly personal interview.

02:53:08.000 We're talking about life with my father, what it was like to be around him, and the series of events that led up to his confession.

02:53:17.000 And folks can just type St.

02:53:20.000 John Hunt into Google and it's the top link that pops up, but specifically give them the web address.

02:53:25.000 www.stjohnhunt.com and that's spelled out s-a-i-n-t-j-o-h-n-h-u-n-t.

02:53:31.000 St, can I get you back up next week or the week after that for another hour interview for part two because there's too much to cover here.

02:53:37.000 Alex, anytime.

02:53:38.000 You say when and where and I'll be there.

02:53:41.000 You're awesome.

02:53:41.000 Aaron's in here.

02:53:42.000 We've got only two or three minutes left.

02:53:44.000 Aaron, any questions or comments, points you want to make?

02:53:48.000 Uh, well, I noticed there was a statement in the original that we had backtracked the chain of command to the doorstep of LBJ.

02:53:54.000 Is there anything your father said about the powers behind that throne?

02:53:59.000 Uh, I know Jim Mars references All the Council of Foreign Relations members and LBJ's administration.

02:54:04.000 And that meeting the night before in Dallas.

02:54:06.000 Yeah, the Murchison meeting.

02:54:09.000 I don't remember specifically.

02:54:11.000 I'd have to review some of the extensive videotape I have to see if he's on camera saying what were the powers behind LBJ, but I think it was just something that he knew and that he knew I knew, and it was something that he wasn't really, you know, Specifically, at least on the tapes that I gave you guys, spoke about.

02:54:34.000 I think he was sort of starting at LBJ, but I think it was expected that he knew people realized that obviously LBJ was a single person, a vice president, that he needed to be supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Council of Foreign Relations and all these other very powerful organizations in the world.

02:54:53.000 Well, we know he fired Ella Lemonster when he wanted to stage terror attacks in the U.S., not to even come out on the front line.

02:54:58.000 We know he was abolishing the CIA, getting the troops out of Vietnam, getting us out of the Federal Reserve.

02:55:03.000 I mean, he did everything to make the establishment angry.

02:55:06.000 Yes, indeed.

02:55:08.000 stjohnhunt.com, and the minute we've got left, anything else you'd like to add, St.

02:55:12.000 John?

02:55:13.000 Well, it was a thrill to meet you down in Dallas there, Alex.

02:55:17.000 I think you're a great guy.

02:55:19.000 Jim Morris was terrific.

02:55:20.000 Your whole crew was wonderful to work with.

02:55:23.000 Aaron, Rob, and all those guys.

02:55:25.000 Just a great bunch of guys you got there working with you.

02:55:29.000 It was just a great pleasure.

02:55:31.000 My wife and I had a wonderful time.

02:55:32.000 We did some hard work.

02:55:35.000 It was snowing the first day we met you guys out there.

02:55:37.000 It was like 32 degrees and my teeth were chattering there in Dealey Plaza.

02:55:41.000 I hope it didn't come off that way.

02:55:43.000 No, no, it came out wonderful.

02:55:44.000 You look great, it came across.

02:55:46.000 Greg, you and Jim out there, it was freezing cold for two days, but it looked great.

02:55:50.000 And I'm going to call you right after the show, St.

02:55:52.000 Have a great weekend.

02:55:52.000 John.

02:55:53.000 Say hi to Mona for me.

02:55:54.000 You want to say something, Aaron?

02:55:55.000 Yeah, great to meet you also, St.

02:55:57.000 John.

02:55:57.000 It was very interesting.

02:55:58.000 I'll see you soon.

02:55:58.000 Great to meet you.

02:55:59.000 All right.

02:56:00.000 Thank you, Aaron.

02:56:00.000 Thank you, St.

02:56:01.000 St.

02:56:01.000 John.

02:56:01.000 John, I'm going to call you in about three minutes.

02:56:03.000 We're out of time.

02:56:04.000 Ladies and gentlemen, if you missed any of the first hour of the financial and political analysis, it restarts at InfoWars.com.

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02:56:17.000 And I'll be back Sunday live, 4 to 6 p.m.

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02:56:21.000 And don't forget, ladies and gentlemen, I'll be on Coast to Coast AM for three hours a night and tomorrow at TalkFest.

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Alex Jones Show - February 15, 2008

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