Alex Jones Show - 20080226_Tue_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:43.000 Welcome.

00:00:43.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:00:45.000 It is already Tuesday, the 26th day of February 2008.

00:00:51.000 We're going to be live here for the next three hours.

00:00:56.000 And guess who we have joining us today?

00:00:58.000 Eva Orner.

00:01:00.000 Just a couple nights ago, she got the Academy Award for Best Documentary, 2008, Taxi to the Dark Side, about rendition, secret arrest, and the torture camps.

00:01:15.000 And in my goings and comings and travels, Eva Orner called me, I guess, about eight months ago and came with a documentary film crew, the same folks that made a lot of famous films.

00:01:32.000 And they came here to town.

00:01:33.000 They made Brothers Keeper and Metallica some kind of monster in Paradise Lost.

00:01:39.000 She came here with Joe Ballinger, the famous filmmaker, and interviewed me for some upcoming work they're doing.

00:01:47.000 And I got a chance to talk to her about how they were finishing up Taxi to the Dark Side.

00:01:53.000 And it beat Michael Moore's Sicko for the 2008 Best Documentary.

00:01:58.000 And it's pretty hardcore.

00:02:00.000 Frankly, it could have been even more hardcore, but it's a lot of great research.

00:02:03.000 Amazing.

00:02:04.000 They were in Afghanistan, Iraq, you name it.

00:02:06.000 A lot of stuff I had never seen.

00:02:08.000 Photos and videos of torture I had never seen.

00:02:11.000 And then disgusting interviews with John Yoo and others.

00:02:15.000 And some of the torture guards.

00:02:17.000 So she's going to be popping in later in the show to talk about the Academy Award.

00:02:23.000 She is the producer.

00:02:25.000 An amazing lady. 1.00

00:02:27.000 Headline, Australian wins documentary Oscar Eva Orner.

00:02:31.000 You can Google that.

00:02:32.000 An Oscar for Eva?

00:02:35.000 While Belfort misses out.

00:02:37.000 And you can just type Eva Orner into Google and read all about it or Taxi to the Dark Side.

00:02:41.000 Orner wins.

00:02:44.000 Oscar slams U.S.

00:02:46.000 as war criminals.

00:02:50.000 So very, very powerful information And then, of course, this weekend I saw a 9-11 blogger blurb from, it was actually from Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.

00:03:02.000 One of their members was at an event and saw Willie Nelson's daughter, Paula Nelson, who's a great musician and singer in her own right, at an event and said, hey, do you agree with your dad's statement?

00:03:14.000 She said, oh yeah, I agree with it, of course.

00:03:17.000 And so I thought, why not just have her on?

00:03:21.000 I've thought about having her on a few weeks ago, but I thought, you know, I'll give the Nelsons a rest. 0.92

00:03:25.000 We've had her dad on twice, but... Today, right now, we're going to get the Dixie Chicks on. 1.00

00:03:31.000 We're going to get some other folks on as well.

00:03:35.000 We'll talk about the war, a lot of other issues we're lining up right now.

00:03:39.000 Some other really big guests as well, but they're coming up later today.

00:03:42.000 We will have Paula Nelson on at the show, talk about her dad, her own career, What it's like being Willie Nelson's daughter, what it's like being a musician who speaks out politically, plays some of her songs as well, that is coming up later in the show today, on this Tuesday 26th of February 2008.

00:04:06.000 6th of February 2008.

00:04:10.000 In the meantime, trader Greenspan urges Gulf states to abandon the dollar Alan Greenspan has again exposed himself as a trader working against the interest of the American people by urging Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg, a move that could result in financial chaos and an economic depression in the United States.

00:04:39.000 Another report here.

00:04:40.000 Here comes the $739 billion Taxpayer bailout.

00:04:47.000 Clinton camp and drudge team up.

00:04:50.000 This is just some of what's coming up today.

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00:08:03.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:07.000 The T-Rex of political talk.

00:08:25.000 Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker about torture exposing John Yoo and the New York Times.

00:08:30.000 Eva Orner will be joining us.

00:08:33.000 And, of course, Paula Nelson, one of the prominent children of Willie Nelson, a great musician and vocalist in her own right, joining us in the third hour today.

00:08:44.000 Trader Greenspan urges Gulf States to abandon the dollar.

00:08:49.000 You know, that's quite a headline by Paul Watson up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.

00:08:57.000 It's an amazing headline, and that's actually what he said.

00:09:02.000 And the implications of that... All we have left in this country is our fiat currency.

00:09:08.000 I mean, 80 plus percent of our industrial base has been moved overseas.

00:09:13.000 The service economy is faltering.

00:09:15.000 Debt, corporate private government is leveraged at all-time highs.

00:09:21.000 We are on the verge of economic collapse.

00:09:25.000 According to the majority of experts, financial forecasters, we're hoping for just a deep recession and not a financial calamity.

00:09:36.000 We've been talking a lot about that the last few years here, as this perfect storm came together.

00:09:42.000 But to have Greenspan come out and encourage Arabs to move away from the dollar, which will precipitate its downfall, is so they can fully wreck it and then dollarize, is how they're going to term it, in the future, the North American and then the entire Pan-American Western Hemisphere, and claim, oh, we had to reorganize the dollar and put it to an international peg to rebuild it, which is the trilateral plan for now more than 30 years. 0.78

00:10:13.000 34 years now.

00:10:17.000 And this is quite a signal here.

00:10:19.000 The world has still not completely abandoned the dollar.

00:10:22.000 They're slowly creeping away from it, from China to Japan to Germany to Russia to Iran.

00:10:29.000 The neocons get on radio and say, Iran's dumping the dollar!

00:10:32.000 It's their fault!

00:10:33.000 While the government itself does everything it can to have a weak dollar policy.

00:10:37.000 Cheney, three years ago, dumped all of his dollars.

00:10:41.000 But that's never really discussed.

00:10:42.000 It's all, it's Iran's fault. 1.00

00:10:44.000 They did it!

00:10:46.000 So, the neocons carry out this operation for their banker masters, and then blame it on Iran.

00:10:54.000 As they always do.

00:10:54.000 As if one country could swing the dollar out of its global reserve currency position into one of a faltering currency.

00:11:06.000 Trader Greenspan urges Gulf States to abandon dollar.

00:11:09.000 This is a big deal.

00:11:12.000 Alan Greenspan has again exposed himself as a traitor working against the interests of the American people by urging Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg, a move that could result in financial chaos and an economic depression in the United States.

00:11:24.000 The dollar peg mandates Gulf nations to price their assets in U.S.

00:11:29.000 dollars and follow U.S. 0.95

00:11:31.000 monetary policy at a time when the Fed is cutting interest rates, a system that has produced a boom in oil revenue but led to high inflation as the dollar weakens.

00:11:41.000 Well, if they move off the dollar peg, it'll only make the dollar weaken even more, and will, quote, cost us more oil.

00:11:49.000 If you gotta love the mainstream media spin, Paul's basically quoting it there.

00:11:53.000 This is a quote.

00:11:56.000 The most useful thing that can be done to stop the increasing influence of foreign assets on the monetary system, and therefore the monetary base, which is basically the major force in inflationary pressures, Greenspan told the Abu Dhabi Corporate Leadership Forum yesterday.

00:12:14.000 This is all quoted out of the Financial Times of London, AP, everybody carried it.

00:12:20.000 So he's saying, you know, oil's $100 a barrel because the dollar's been devalued And you guys are pricing oil in dollars.

00:12:29.000 Well, just take it off of dollars and price it in Euros or price it in a currency that's worth more per unit.

00:12:37.000 Well, you'll still have just as expensive oil if they price it at the equivalent of 62 Euros instead of $100.

00:12:45.000 But if they do that, It'll actually just make the dollar even lose more favor and then lose more confidence and lose more value.

00:12:56.000 And then we'll probably be paying $120 a barrel, which is what the elite wants.

00:12:59.000 So Greenspan, this is like going to someone who's sick, who's got a toe chopped off and chopping their entire foot off.

00:13:10.000 This is just basic monetary, basic economic information.

00:13:15.000 But the general public, Can't find the U.S.

00:13:18.000 on a map.

00:13:19.000 Doesn't know the three branches of government.

00:13:21.000 They hear this, and they probably think it's a good idea.

00:13:23.000 Oh, yes!

00:13:25.000 Abandon the dollar further!

00:13:27.000 Oh, great idea!

00:13:28.000 That's just... No, they're trying to kill the dollar.

00:13:32.000 This is the biggest sign yet that they are openly trying to destroy this economy, while being hailed as big fixers at the same time.

00:13:39.000 According to economist editor Paul Woodall, Greenspan's comments heralded the beginning of the end of the U.S.

00:13:44.000 dollar, As the currency of choice for foreign exchange reserves.

00:13:50.000 In the short term, free floating will not fully dissipate inflationary pressure, although it would significantly do so.

00:13:55.000 What does that mean?

00:13:58.000 Add a green span, giving a green light for Gulf Stage to drop the dollar pick.

00:14:04.000 Don't you love that double speak?

00:14:07.000 In the short term, free floating will not fully Disappoint inflationary pressure, though it would significantly do so.

00:14:19.000 According to economist editor Paul Woodall, Greenspan's comments heralded the beginning of the end of the U.S.

00:14:24.000 dollar as a currency of choice for foreign exchange reserves.

00:14:28.000 In Asia, central banks hold today more than 80% of the global foreign exchange reserves, which indicate the shift of the global economy domination towards Asia.

00:14:37.000 It seems quite awkward that the UAE still maintains the peg of its currency to the U.S.

00:14:43.000 dollar, she told Gulf News.

00:14:45.000 You know what?

00:14:46.000 I know we have Eva Warner coming on.

00:14:48.000 I know we have Paula Nelson. 0.94

00:14:49.000 But in the second hour, we've got some time.

00:14:53.000 Get me Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, or get me... just tell them a ten-minute interview.

00:14:57.000 I want some of their comments on this to get there.

00:15:00.000 I know what they're going to say, but you need to hear it from experts.

00:15:03.000 Or try to pop in and get Bob Chapman.

00:15:09.000 We can get them quick and easy.

00:15:10.000 They're good guys.

00:15:11.000 We hear the same thing from Joseph Stiklitz, Nobel Prize winner, Chief Economist, World Bank, former Chief Economist.

00:15:17.000 Or you'd hear it from any other expert.

00:15:18.000 We could get George Humphrey in here, very accredited economist and businessman.

00:15:23.000 Folks, let me just give it to you straight.

00:15:26.000 All we have left, you've heard all the experts here, is the dollar.

00:15:30.000 Okay, and it's tanking right now.

00:15:32.000 Slowly sliding into oblivion.

00:15:35.000 This is Greenspan literally trying to... The dollar is like a drowning man or drowning woman fighting to get air, struggling every minute or so to get one quick gulp of air and being pushed back under by the global architects of the financial infrastructure.

00:15:57.000 And now the dollar's been underwater about four minutes, water's going into our lungs, we're starting to pass out, And we have one chance to get to the shore, get a gulp of air, get to shore, and Greenspan literally has basically taken a hammer and hit the drowning person on the head.

00:16:13.000 This is unbelievable.

00:16:15.000 I do not have words to explain how devastating this is, how evil this is.

00:16:23.000 How, over the top, we will be completely, financially destroyed.

00:16:29.000 And by the way, every financial expert we've interviewed, even mainline analysts, say that if the dollar plunges another 20% even, they're talking about more now, depending on the expert, 20-30%, if it does that, it will bring down other currencies.

00:16:46.000 It will cause a worldwide implosion.

00:16:49.000 Anybody who wondered whether the central bankers And the big banks that are out there, you know, rating junk as AAA and selling securities and selling credit card debt, they bundle that and then sell it as some wonderful security when it's horrible debt, very dangerous, especially at this time in history, historically very bad investments.

00:17:14.000 And they've been AAA rating it.

00:17:18.000 The states are about to go bankrupt.

00:17:19.000 The federal government is bankrupt.

00:17:22.000 You've got 40 plus percent inflation the last couple years combined with people on fixed incomes in red-level crisis already.

00:17:29.000 All of this is cascading now into businesses and companies in the service industry and into the automobile industry, the manufacturing durable value-added goods.

00:17:43.000 And Greenspan Well, I mean, he's been doing this now for the last year, coming out and bad-mouthing the dollar, coming out and saying bad things about the dollar, coming out and saying bad things about the economy.

00:17:55.000 This is just... I'm actually dumbfounded right now.

00:18:00.000 I, uh... I'm not even shaken.

00:18:03.000 I'm more just... stunned.

00:18:09.000 I'm, uh... I don't even know what... I'm literally speechless.

00:18:14.000 Let me just read the article here.

00:18:18.000 This is incredible.

00:18:19.000 Greenspan's zeal to destroy the dollar is evident in numerous public statements he has made predicting the replacement of the dollar with the euro as the world's reserve currency.

00:18:28.000 The former Fed chairman has repeatedly bad-mouthed the dollar and hyped the inevitability of economic chaos at a time when market confidence is in the toilet.

00:18:39.000 Greenspan's rhetoric matches that of the IMF, who in October of last year brazenly slammed the dollar as it overvalued at the same time the greenback hit its all-time low against the euro.

00:18:51.000 A decision on behalf of the Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg would have disastrous consequences for the greenback and the American economy.

00:18:59.000 Such a move could lead the likes of the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia To diversify their foreign exchange holdings out of dollars.

00:19:08.000 This will amount to a vote of no confidence in the dollar and may cause other countries with large dollar reserves, may cause, it's already happening, such as China and Japan to follow suit and begin dumping the green back in mass.

00:19:18.000 They've already been doing it, but yeah, they would accelerate that.

00:19:22.000 This is it, folks! 0.96

00:19:24.000 And the public is so ignorant and so ill-informed that you ought, you're going to be at the Church, or golf course, or the mall, or family. 0.97

00:19:35.000 When we're in a depression, hearing them tell you about how Greenspan's working to save us. 1.00

00:19:41.000 They just need to be slapped upside the head. 0.97

00:19:44.000 Heaven, help us. 1.00

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00:28:18.000 Because I'm going to tell you right now, ladies and gentlemen, if you give in to fear and you think about what the New World Order might do to you if they win, and you've already lost, you've got to think about the bigger cost.

00:28:32.000 Ladies and gentlemen, understand that it's only us that stand between all the innocents out there that the New World Order is Literally feeding on and abusing and destroying.

00:28:44.000 So get past your fear and look at the bigger cost.

00:28:48.000 Think about the larger picture of humanity and society and where we're going.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, that film calling for socialized health care lost, but the film exposing the bloodthirsty torture and the Cobb activities and the orders from Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzalez, John Yoo, That's now been exposed. 0.64

00:29:12.000 You know, it's going to be on HBO now, and it's going to be all over the place, and in your local video store, and people are going to find out the truth, how they took innocent people and murdered them, tortured them to death.

00:29:28.000 Now is the time, ladies and gentlemen, to throw caution to the wind, and to take action, to commit fully, And then it doesn't matter anymore.

00:29:43.000 Because you're committed.

00:29:44.000 And you're coming straight on.

00:29:46.000 We'll be right back with Academy Award winner, Eva Horner.

00:29:51.000 We're on the march.

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00:33:03.000 Here are the headlines on Australian wins documentary Oscar, Eva Horner.

00:33:17.000 She is the producer.

00:33:19.000 An Oscar for Eva. 0.60

00:33:21.000 Another headline, Harold Son, Oscar winner, Eva Orner, slams U.S. 0.73

00:33:24.000 government as war criminals.

00:33:26.000 They are war criminals.

00:33:28.000 We had Willie Nelson on again last week.

00:33:30.000 We've got his daughter, quite a musician in her own right and vocalist, joining us in the third hour.

00:33:35.000 Bunch of financial news coming up as Greenspan tries to kill the dollar.

00:33:39.000 But I really appreciate her and her busy schedule.

00:33:41.000 HBO just bought the film and it's an amazing documentary.

00:33:46.000 Let's go ahead and play the trailer.

00:33:48.000 It's not as powerful, obviously, as the But here's the audio from the trailer of Taxi Cab to the Dark Side.

00:33:55.000 Here it is.

00:33:58.000 On December 5, 2002, Dillawar, a young Afghan taxi driver, was brought to Bagram.

00:34:05.000 Five days after his arrival, he was dead.

00:34:07.000 A U.S. 0.66

00:34:08.000 major took the books, the homicide.

00:34:10.000 I said, my God, they killed him.

00:34:12.000 It became plausible to me that this man wasn't even guilty of anything, and he was murdered in detention.

00:34:17.000 Put people in a crazy situation.

00:34:28.000 People do crazy things.

00:34:30.000 People were being told to rough up Iraqis that wouldn't cooperate. 0.96

00:34:34.000 We were also told they're nothing but dogs. 0.91

00:34:36.000 Interrogators were telling the guards, strip this guy naked, chain him up to the bed in an uncomfortable position, do whatever you can.

00:34:42.000 You had these young soldiers with very little training, just as the rules were changing.

00:34:46.000 And they weren't told what the new rules were.

00:34:49.000 You start looking at these people as less than human, and you start doing things to them you would never dream of.

00:34:56.000 And that's where it got scary.

00:34:59.000 It was only the night shift.

00:35:00.000 There's always a few bad apples the brass knew.

00:35:02.000 They saw him shackled and hooded, and they said, right on, y'all are doing a great job.

00:35:08.000 There were emails from FBI personnel down in Guantanamo saying, you won't believe what's going on down here.

00:35:13.000 We've got to disassociate ourselves.

00:35:16.000 You have no right to a lawyer.

00:35:17.000 You have no right to witnesses.

00:35:19.000 You don't really know what the charges are, and you certainly don't know what the secret evidence is against you.

00:35:28.000 It's taken at the height of the Pentagon to put out a fog of ambiguity.

00:35:36.000 We're going to have to work the dark side, if you will.

00:35:42.000 We're going to spend time in the shadows.

00:35:43.000 What starts at the top of the chain of command drops like a rock down the chain of command.

00:35:48.000 American values are premised upon the notion of human dignity.

00:35:51.000 We don't know what revenge is coming down the road.

00:35:56.000 There will be no outrageous upon human dignity.

00:36:01.000 It's very vague.

00:36:07.000 Taxi to the Dark Side, taken from Channing talking about we're in the dark side now.

00:36:11.000 Eva Orner, congratulations.

00:36:14.000 I'm really honored to count you as a friend.

00:36:15.000 You're an amazing filmmaker.

00:36:18.000 Thanks, Alex.

00:36:19.000 It's lovely to be on your show as a guest.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, it's been a pretty great week so far, what can I say?

00:36:26.000 What was it like to be, I mean we're talking about the film of course, but to be nominated and then to win when they said Eva Orner and Attaché to the Dark Side?

00:36:36.000 You know, it was really great.

00:36:37.000 We were so hoping we were going to win because It's such an important film, and all of the documentary nominees this year, out of five films, four of them were war-related films.

00:36:48.000 There was a film about Iraq, No End in Sight, there was Operation Homecoming about the soldiers, and it was a great acknowledgement from the Academy that something is wrong with this country. 0.96

00:36:58.000 And the Academy is a very conservative force, so it was really a great vindication and validation of all of our work.

00:37:05.000 We were concerned that, because of all the films, ours is the darkest, it's about torture, You know, it's incredibly critical of the administration.

00:37:12.000 It features waterboarding.

00:37:13.000 It features so many difficult subjects.

00:37:15.000 And we were a little nervous that maybe it was too dark for the Academy.

00:37:19.000 But we really wanted to win.

00:37:20.000 And also, you know, I must talk about Alex Gibney.

00:37:22.000 He's the writer, director, producer.

00:37:25.000 I'm the producer of the film.

00:37:27.000 And, you know, he's been making films for a long time.

00:37:29.000 He made Enron, Smartest Guys in the Room.

00:37:31.000 He was nominated for another Oscar a couple of years ago.

00:37:33.000 And we're so thrilled because he's so deserving.

00:37:36.000 He's one of the best filmmakers working in the country today.

00:37:39.000 It was great vindication and validation, and you know, it was really fun.

00:37:45.000 Well, you've done an incredible job as the producer, the head honcho over the whole deal, and I'm just blessed and lucky to have ever even bumped into you, even because you're so smart and such a sweet person.

00:37:56.000 You also have the clip, we had Professor Kassel on a few years ago when this first came out, Uh, you know, the clip where John Yoo writes in these memos about crushing children's testicles and vulnerable parents, and then Professor Castle at a closed CFR meeting, uh, even the CFR's mad at him in Chicago.

00:38:12.000 You're not supposed to record it, but Castle did.

00:38:14.000 He had to get this out.

00:38:15.000 And Yoo just says, yeah, the President has that authority.

00:38:19.000 I mean, immersing yourself in this film, you guys started working on this film back when it still wasn't kosher to get into this type of topic, back when the regime was still riding high to a certain extent.

00:38:34.000 So tell us about the process of deciding to make this film.

00:38:38.000 When it began, all these locations, I mean, it's such an incredible film, getting to interview some of the guards that did the torture, people who were convicted and sent to jail, but you have the memos and documents where they were ordered to do it, I mean, just basically the process, Eva.

00:38:53.000 Sure.

00:38:54.000 When the film started, we finished the film about a year ago, and it's been on the festival circuit for the year, and it obviously has just been released, but, you know, we started making it a year and a half ago before that, so it's really a two and a half year process.

00:39:06.000 And the film came out of some conversations with Alex Kidney, the director, and a couple of extraordinary people who became executive producers and actually put a lot of money into the film when no one else would.

00:39:16.000 And it came out of a conversation about what is going on in this country.

00:39:20.000 Things are being reported in the New York Times and the Washington Post.

00:39:23.000 Why aren't people in the streets?

00:39:25.000 Why aren't people screaming?

00:39:26.000 The rule of law is being broken.

00:39:28.000 There is no regard for habeas corpus.

00:39:32.000 The Geneva Conventions are being disregarded, and it was just this conversation that was just about rage, and it was a conversation involving patriotic Americans who were so disturbed by what was happening to their country.

00:39:45.000 And, you know, people have branded the film anti-American, and it's the complete opposite.

00:39:49.000 It's about the preservation of what made America great and what America should be.

00:39:54.000 So, you know, a couple of the executive producers, one was Rob Johnson, who used to be, you know, a right-hand man of George Soros.

00:40:00.000 Another one was John Glasgow, who's an incredible human rights attorney.

00:40:03.000 Sidney Blumenthal, who was one of Bill Clinton's policy advisors in the Clinton administration.

00:40:09.000 These people all came forward early on and, you know, they put their money where their mouths were and really helped us out because we were having trouble getting distributors to put money up on the film.

00:40:18.000 You know, Alex's previous film was incredibly successful, Enron, as I said, and a lot of people were saying, Is this really the follow-up film you want to make to Enron?

00:40:26.000 This could be a really big mistake.

00:40:27.000 It could be career damaging.

00:40:29.000 And, you know, kudos to Alex for having the unbelievable courage, tenacity, and dogged determination to say, I have to make this film.

00:40:38.000 We have to make this film.

00:40:40.000 So that was sort of the genesis of the film.

00:40:42.000 And then from there, you know, we gathered, as you know with documentaries, we gathered a small and very hardworking crew of people.

00:40:51.000 Um, you know, we had one researcher, we had another producer, you know, it was a team of like six people and it was really about getting access, getting information, you know, using a lot of archival material, which you know is hard to source, and really convincing people to, uh, to talk on this film and to be a part of this film.

00:41:10.000 So that was, that was, you know, the initial process.

00:41:13.000 Did you, I mean I'm, of course you learned a lot making the film, did you ever get really creeped out?

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:21.000 It was, I think we all say often, it was really, um, it was the hardest film I think any of us have ever made.

00:41:28.000 I mean, you know, the material's grueling.

00:41:30.000 You know what it's like when you're in an edit suite looking at horrible material.

00:41:33.000 You know, we got a lot of classified photographs that nobody had seen before from Abu Ghraib.

00:41:38.000 The thing that I find the most disturbing in the film is actually there's some, there's just some cell phone video from inside the prisons of prisoners smashing their heads against walls and collapsing.

00:41:48.000 And I mean, It's just so brutal and so inhumane and unhuman.

00:41:53.000 It's just, you know, it's hard to be around that kind of material all the time.

00:41:58.000 One of the, it sounds so silly, but one of the saving graces of us making this film and keeping our sanity was we were making another film at the same time, which was a lot lighter in subject about, it just premiered at Sundance in competition, and it's about Hunter S. Thompson, the great writer.

00:42:14.000 And, you know, we were able to sort of bounce between the projects a little bit because, you know, a year and a half being immersed in torture and your failing country is very hard to take.

00:42:25.000 You bring away from the film, with the eyewitnesses, the documents, the death certificates, that the White House, with the memos, the orders, the systematic, whether it was in Cuba or Iraq, at Guantanamo Bay, where our government has a base, or in Afghanistan, That it was all the same standard torture, the same sensory deprivation, hanging people from the tops of their cells for days on end.

00:42:51.000 All of this, beating people until they're, according to coroner's reports, liquefied, the tissue in their bodies, literally turning them into jello.

00:43:01.000 And then, to have the White House send people to prison, who they ordered to do this, but then, that was enlisted people, but promote The individuals, the officers who were actually above it, and the one lady who ran it in Iraq and Afghanistan, they send her to the interrogation training base, and now she's over the training? 1.00

00:43:24.000 I mean, to know that the White House ordered all this, and then when they got caught, they said, oh no, we're not behind this.

00:43:32.000 And of course, you also point out how 24 has created a constituency for torture, how they're brainwashing.

00:43:38.000 Can you talk about that?

00:43:41.000 I mean, you know, I think the villains of the film obviously are George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, John Yoo and Gonzales.

00:43:48.000 But, you know, the big criminal, I'm ashamed to say, is a woman called Carolyn Wood, who obviously did not interview for the film and has done absolutely no media.

00:43:56.000 And, you know, she went from prison to prison enforcing these torture methods. 0.99

00:44:01.000 And as you say now, you know, her punishment for This great violation of human rights and, you know, the American way is to be, you know, to end up in a training, an interrogation training military facility.

00:44:12.000 So, you know, she's a complete villain. 1.00

00:44:14.000 She does no media. 0.84

00:44:15.000 She does nothing.

00:44:16.000 And I guess the most interesting thing, one of the most interesting things in the film is, you know, a bunch of these young officers, these ex-military guys that we have in the film who are young.

00:44:24.000 I think it's fair to say a lot of them aren't overly educated and certainly weren't educated in the ways of the military.

00:44:30.000 And they were thrown into these situations where they were Untrained interrogators, some of them had never come across the Geneva Conventions, and that's what the higher-ups wanted.

00:44:38.000 And they were put into these incredible situations of stress, of fear of terrorism in America, that was placed on their shoulders, and they had to get information by any means possible, often from innocent people who had just been picked up in the fields of Afghanistan.

00:44:56.000 And what's so interesting is we managed to get a number of these people to talk to us and I think they're the heroes of the film because they're so brave and they're so honest and they know they did the wrong thing but they're also willing to talk about the fact that they're misguided and you know when you're put into a bad situation people do bad things.

00:45:12.000 Well you also captured the essence you also captured in the film the essence and this is the point we've always made from guests and witnesses that we've had on just in a radio format That this was the White House and their technocrats seducing the military, seducing the public, really trying to sell us on the most barbarous forms of torture and everything in your film is documented.

00:45:36.000 In fact, I think it I don't want to say it's soft, it's horrible, it's about as hardcore as it can get, but, you know, reality is even several steps deeper and worse.

00:45:44.000 Like the Army Zone report from General Togumbo, where they admit raping the people, using acid with large objects.

00:45:51.000 I mean, I can't even get into it on air, but this is even on MSNBC.

00:45:55.000 So as bad as the film is, I want people to understand, and it was very upsetting even to me, I got tears in my eyes several times, studying this, Studying torture in the last 10 years, knowing our government for decades has been training the world how to torture, I think it makes the film even stronger that you guys, I know, could have even made it more hardcore.

00:46:15.000 And the CIA admits, we've had the former section chief on, That they wouldn't arrest real Al-Qaeda or Taliban.

00:46:22.000 In fact, Taliban and Al-Qaeda would go just grab goat herders and turn them over and get $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 in some cases.

00:46:31.000 And the bases even knew that they were innocent, but they would then send them on after being tortured out of Afghanistan, out of Iraq, to Camp X-Ray in Cuba to keep the cover-up going.

00:46:41.000 And then the CIA brainwashing.

00:46:43.000 I mean, it's just so incredible.

00:46:46.000 And I'm trying to describe a 90-minute film here, and I guess it's impossible to do on radio.

00:46:51.000 Yeah, I mean, that's really covered in our film.

00:46:54.000 You're absolutely right.

00:46:55.000 And one of the examples of that is, in order to tell this story in a cinematic and interesting way, we had to find a story and a metaphor for what this government is doing and what torture can do to people.

00:47:06.000 And we found that in the story of Gilawah, who's this young Afghani cab driver who's innocently picked up and And sent to Bagram where he's, as you say, he's pulpified to death essentially. 0.68

00:47:17.000 He's beaten by the military and he ends up dead.

00:47:21.000 And he was picked up in a cab.

00:47:23.000 He was driving with two other people who were both innocent.

00:47:26.000 And they were actually, after Dillawar died, they were sent on for absolutely no reason.

00:47:30.000 It was proven that they were innocent and they were sent to Guantanamo where they remained for a couple of years.

00:47:35.000 They've since been released and returned to Afghanistan.

00:47:37.000 But it was just about filling up this facility.

00:47:40.000 It was about saving space for the government.

00:47:42.000 It was about You know, getting 500 men with dark skin and showing them to the world in orange jumpsuits as terrorists, and it's just, it's incomprehensible to me, and it's incomprehensible to me that some of the Republican, you know, frontrunners, who are no longer, thank goodness, in the upcoming elections, you know, we're saying we need to double the size of Guantanamo, you know, based on what, this incredible success? 0.85

00:48:07.000 I mean, come on, it's just, It just doesn't make any sense, you know, having made this film and being so okay with all of this material.

00:48:15.000 It still just is like a bad movie.

00:48:17.000 Well, Eva, your film's been done for a year, but it's very timely now because they're going to try a bunch of these people who have no connection to 9-11, and after six years of incarceration and torture, even mainstream news is saying, you can't believe anything they say, and then these trials aren't even real trials.

00:48:35.000 So now we're going to have kangaroo courts six years later?

00:48:39.000 Well, and the death penalty is what they're going for.

00:48:41.000 I mean, it's pretty, it's, it's unbelievable.

00:48:43.000 And, and, you know, we have a number of human rights attorneys in the film and they talk about the fact that they had no access to their clients for many years and how preposterous that was.

00:48:51.000 And one of my favorite comments and one of my favorite characters is Clive Stafford Smith, who's an English human rights attorney.

00:48:58.000 And he says, you know, when I was studying in America, I hadn't, I, it just, it never crossed my mind that I would be having trouble to get access to my clients and that my clients would have no rights to a trial.

00:49:08.000 I mean, it's just, It's just, it just makes no sense.

00:49:12.000 It's the same kind of thought for me as, you know, when I was, I'm 38 years old, and when I was studying, and I'm Australian, and when I was studying in Australia, legal studies, learning about these great precedent cases like Roe versus Wade, and suddenly, you know, 25, 30 years later, there's a possibility that they'll be turned over, and it just, it just doesn't make sense.

00:49:30.000 It seems so, it seems like the world's a little, a little backwards these days.

00:49:35.000 Well, what they do is, and you point this out, they get everybody into fear, And then they try to set the precedent to be able to torture children.

00:49:43.000 In fact, let's go ahead and you've got two different John Yoo clips.

00:49:46.000 Play the short one, John, first.

00:49:48.000 This is John Yoo in the CFR being questioned by Professor Castle about writing that they can sexually torture children.

00:49:55.000 And here it is.

00:49:56.000 The argument I'm making about adaptation of the rules is a question of what the United States should use as a matter of international law, which I treat as being a separate and distinct law as well from domestic violence.

00:50:06.000 So in other words, if the president deems that he's got the torture center, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop that.

00:50:16.000 No treaty. 0.97

00:50:17.000 And there's also no law by Congress.

00:50:20.000 That's what you really want to say.

00:50:20.000 Eva Orner, the Justice Department's investigating him.

00:50:22.000 I don't think President will ever do that.

00:50:25.000 And then even the elitist, the CFR in Chicago, laughed at him.

00:50:32.000 Eva Orner, the Justice Department's investigating him.

00:50:36.000 There's talk of indictments against John Yoo now.

00:50:38.000 Eva?

00:50:38.000 Yeah, it's pretty unbelievable.

00:50:41.000 I mean, I won't believe it till I see it.

00:50:43.000 But, you know, I always feel like these guys who are involved in this administration have so heavily self-protected themselves.

00:50:50.000 You know, I feel like they've written in all of this legislation to protect themselves from any kind of questioning or any possibility.

00:50:58.000 Stay there.

00:50:59.000 Let's talk about it on the other side.

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00:54:01.000 What a sudden time I've been sitting it out.

00:54:09.000 Didn't take no chances.

00:54:13.000 Was a prisoner of doubt.

00:54:16.000 I knocked down the way that was in the street.

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00:54:32.000 Coming straight on for you.

00:54:38.000 Eva Horner is coming straight on for the Neocon Bush Administration. 0.99

00:54:43.000 She's in papers all over the world, saying war criminals run our government.

00:54:48.000 And if we don't bring them to justice, it'll then be in our name.

00:54:51.000 And people will see Americans as the Germans were seen after Hitler.

00:54:58.000 I mean, this is hardcore murder of innocent people who they knew were innocent, literally just to have the illusion, while Bush is saying, don't go after bin Laden, Who he supposedly said attacked us.

00:55:09.000 Meanwhile, let's take some, you know, 15, 13, in some cases, year old kids.

00:55:15.000 Let's torture him.

00:55:16.000 Eva Orner, you've got a delivery coming to your hotel room here in just a minute.

00:55:21.000 You may have to drop off and come back for a few minutes with us, but there's so many facets.

00:55:26.000 Other areas of the film, Taxi to the Dark Side, that just won the Academy Awards, 79 for Best Documentary.

00:55:31.000 Other facets, points I haven't brought up.

00:55:33.000 What do you think the most chilling and upsetting part of the film is?

00:55:37.000 I mean, you're the expert on this.

00:55:41.000 You lead.

00:55:43.000 I mean, oh God, what is the most chilling part?

00:55:46.000 You know, to me, it's really the images.

00:55:51.000 It's really, well, you know, it's actually, you know what the saddest thing to me in the whole film is, is at the end of the film when you find out, you know, the state of the number of soldiers who were involved in, you know, in torture and brutal interrogation techniques and when you see what happened to their lives and, you know, you see that these kids in their 20s, usually from the South, I think it's fair to say, You know, their lives are ruined.

00:56:12.000 One of them says that, you know, financially he's ruined, he can't get a job, he's, you know, they've spent time in military prison.

00:56:19.000 And these are the victims of the administration.

00:56:21.000 And, you know, and everyone else who's going to leave this current administration that already has goes on to prestigious jobs and nothing happens to them.

00:56:29.000 And I guess that's why I've been saying that, branding them as war criminals in the media, because that's what war criminals do. 0.59

00:56:35.000 They commit acts of atrocity and they get away with it.

00:56:38.000 I think that's probably, you know, aside from all the images of torture and all of the terrible images that we see, I really think it's these innocent people who signed up, who served our country, unlike most of the people in the current administration, who then got scapegoated and ended up in prison.

00:56:59.000 Speaking of that, Eva, I remember, I was even in the Associated Press and other news wires a few years ago, One of the guards in Afghanistan, a private contractor who tortured people to death, he was about to blow the whistle and said, look, we were ordered to and then they used the Patriot Act on him to shut him up.

00:57:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:20.000 I mean, it's just...

00:57:21.000 You know, it's just incredible evil to me.

00:57:23.000 I mean, I think another thing that's really worth talking about is the fact that, you know, we're all obviously, you know, pretty far on the left side, all of us filmmakers, but it was really important for us to make this not a left-wing, you know, propaganda piece.

00:57:35.000 And so one of the things we were very cautious and careful to do was to try and get, you know, insiders in the Republican side of the country to talk.

00:57:44.000 And, you know, people like Alberta Moira, who's the former Navy General Counsel, And he was very much behind stopping what was going on at Abu Ghraib.

00:57:53.000 So I just think it's really worth letting audiences know that this is not a propaganda piece.

00:57:58.000 It's a journalistic piece.

00:58:00.000 No, I'm going to say right now, as bad as it is, there's actually even a lot more stuff that's even worse.

00:58:07.000 I mean, I'm sure you came across the Army report where they admitted that 98 percent That are sent to Abu Ghraib, were picked up at checkpoints for not having proper papers, and that women were raped in front of their husbands.

00:58:20.000 Did you see that?

00:58:21.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:58:22.000 And I mean, that's what happened to our lead guy, who was murdered.

00:58:24.000 I mean, and it's also, it's very much, you know, the reason we know about these stories is because of the incredible people on the ground in Afghanistan working for the papers in America.

00:58:34.000 You know, people like Carlisle De Gaulle, who discovered the Gilawai story.

00:58:37.000 Tell you what, stay there.

00:58:38.000 We'll be back in one minute.

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00:58:58.000 Big Brother.

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00:59:01.000 Government cover-ups.

00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:04.000 Well, so does he.

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00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 White House! 1.00

00:59:16.000 People running it aren't stupid. 1.00

00:59:17.000 They're just arrogant and full of bravado, full of hubris. 1.00

00:59:22.000 The son of the gods. 0.98

00:59:25.000 And if they're able to get away with torture and creating a constituency for torture and selling us that it's okay, it's over.

00:59:31.000 And now we see police nationwide, copycatting, abuse has gone up in the prisons.

00:59:36.000 Eva, you know, your film really points all this out.

00:59:42.000 We really have been seduced over to the dark side.

00:59:45.000 I think we're pulling away from it now.

00:59:47.000 That's why I just think this is one of the most powerful films, documentaries I've ever seen because I think I know it all about this stuff and I'm immersed in it, but I became very upset and I hardly ever feel almost panicked, but it was just exactly like some of the cell phone video inside the torture facilities.

01:00:06.000 My God, just seeing it.

01:00:08.000 I mean, it makes movies like Saw or Hostel.

01:00:12.000 That's nothing on the real thing, is it?

01:00:14.000 Yeah.

01:00:15.000 You know, I think you're right.

01:00:16.000 Another thing that I should mention is, you know, we made this, as I said, we finished it a year ago.

01:00:20.000 When we were making it, you know, when we started it two and a half years ago, we were so naive.

01:00:24.000 Our biggest concerns were, God, what if it's irrelevant by the time it's ready to come out and be in cinemas?

01:00:29.000 And, you know, when you think about it now, it's more relevant than it ever could have been.

01:00:33.000 And we were so naive and so hopeful.

01:00:35.000 But I do think that this is an incredibly exciting time, you know, this part of the year up until November.

01:00:40.000 And I feel like everyone in the country is outraged.

01:00:43.000 Everyone is furious.

01:00:44.000 It's so great that the film has got an Oscar nomination because more... Sorry, that it's got an Oscar.

01:00:50.000 Because it hasn't quite sunk in.

01:00:53.000 Because you know what?

01:00:54.000 A lot more people are going to see the film now.

01:00:56.000 You know, it's still in cinemas.

01:00:57.000 It's going to get a lot more people to see the film.

01:00:59.000 A lot more people will get outraged.

01:01:00.000 And hopefully that will affect the elections later in the year.

01:01:04.000 And also, you know, the other thing you talk about is, you know, just how what's been going on in the country has affected popular culture.

01:01:09.000 And you mentioned 24 earlier in the show, and it's funny, I had never ever watched 24 before we did this film.

01:01:18.000 You know, there was a weekend and I took home a couple of box sets of the whole series, and I was just... I mean, everyone loved this show.

01:01:23.000 This was a huge show.

01:01:25.000 People I knew loved this show, and I watched it, and I was just outraged.

01:01:30.000 And we used... I'm so happy that we used a clip in the film to explain what a ridiculous notion the ticking time bomb scenario is.

01:01:37.000 Because I've seen it in law enforcement magazines long before 9-11 they were selling police on this that there's a bomb about to go off do you torture the person's child to get answers and then in 24 they actually have that plot.

01:01:51.000 I just love it because again I've mentioned already Clive Stafford Smith is this incredibly UK based Human Rights Lawyer, he says, you know, and it's so great as he tells the story in the film, we show the footage on 24 and he says, you know, there's a terrorist and he's got a bomb in Times Square and he's about to kill a million people.

01:02:09.000 What do we do?

01:02:09.000 And we've got the guy in custody.

01:02:11.000 So are we allowed to strap the electrodes to his testicles to get him to talk? 0.98

01:02:17.000 And we have a scene sort of mimicking that in 24. 0.57

01:02:19.000 And then Clive says rightly, well that's all just fine, but when in the last 500 years have we ever been in a situation where a bomb is about to go off and we have the culprit?

01:02:28.000 And also, if we do, that man or woman is going to be so committed that no matter what we do to them, they're not going to talk. 0.57

01:02:34.000 So it's just this pathetic, false way to get around a loophole and make torture a viable option. 0.96

01:02:43.000 It's incredibly evil. 0.99

01:02:45.000 It is.

01:02:45.000 You know, this is such an important film.

01:02:47.000 Can I have you and the director back on before it goes on HBO, maybe for a full hour, Eva?

01:02:54.000 Absolutely.

01:02:55.000 Absolutely.

01:02:55.000 Alex is a wonderful guy.

01:02:57.000 Once I get back to New York, because I'm still in LA, we could totally work that out.

01:03:00.000 Absolutely.

01:03:01.000 I'd be honored, Alex.

01:03:02.000 I'm a big fan, as you know.

01:03:04.000 Well, Eva, you're a sweetheart, and I'm just so honored to know you, and I'm just honored to be able to interview you.

01:03:11.000 Fire out the official website, because I see several different sites.

01:03:13.000 Which site should people visit?

01:03:15.000 The official website is TaxiToTheDarkSide.com.

01:03:20.000 TaxiToTheDarkSide.com?

01:03:22.000 We've got a link to that up on InfoWars.com.

01:03:25.000 Eva Ornish?

01:03:26.000 And also, I think we're going to be down for South by Southwest, because our other film is screening there.

01:03:31.000 So we might be down in Austin in a few weeks.

01:03:34.000 Oh, oh, I tell you.

01:03:36.000 You know, I rarely want to beg for tickets, but I might even buy a wristband for that one.

01:03:40.000 Well, you know what?

01:03:41.000 I might see you at South by Southwest.

01:03:44.000 Eva Ornith. 0.90

01:03:44.000 I might be able to get you in, Alex. 0.90

01:03:47.000 Oh, you're too good.

01:03:48.000 Eva Ornith, thank you so much for joining us.

01:03:50.000 She just won the Academy Award.

01:03:52.000 She is the producer.

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01:06:53.000 Willie Nelson's a fan, Eva Orner, Charlie Sheen, Charlton Hefton.

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01:07:07.000 Willie Nelson's a fan.

01:07:10.000 Eva Orner, you know, Charlie Sheen, Charlton Hefton.

01:07:14.000 Of course, you know what?

01:07:18.000 You notice I don't come on air and say to Eva, "Hey, what do you think of my films, Eva?" What do you think of me?

01:07:24.000 She just brings up, hey, I'm a fan of what you do.

01:07:29.000 But that doesn't make me get a big head.

01:07:30.000 It actually freaks me out.

01:07:33.000 Because I could tell you stories, folks, of the things I've seen in Hollywood, the things I've seen here locally in Austin, how many people are awake, the people that are awake, but I'll never betray them, I'll never talk about Some of the big names I know that know about the New World Order, it's just up to them to come out.

01:07:49.000 And Eva Orner's done that.

01:07:50.000 I didn't put her on the spot about 9-11.

01:07:53.000 But, like Rick Linklater, when I've had him up a few times, I didn't ask him to come on there and talk about 9-11 being an inside job.

01:08:00.000 He just volunteered.

01:08:01.000 He thought it was an inside job.

01:08:03.000 Rick Linklater, award-winning filmmaker.

01:08:07.000 Now, he's had big blockbusters and quite a few art films as well.

01:08:10.000 He's more known for his art films.

01:08:11.000 Then he goes, oh, by the way, I'm friends with Bruce Willis.

01:08:13.000 Gave him your video.

01:08:13.000 It woke him up.

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01:08:21.000 and the same group that killed Kennedy runs the government today.

01:08:23.000 We woke Bruce Willis up, folks.

01:08:27.000 Now, listen.

01:08:29.000 I've got an incredible responsibility.

01:08:31.000 But I can't enjoy any of this, quote, success because I'm constantly freaked out by the fact that we're putting poison in our water, they are destroying our currency, they're about to start World War III, but all I can do is fight back then.

01:08:44.000 I mean, everybody I know says, why aren't you happy?

01:08:48.000 Why are you so serious?

01:08:50.000 Why are you always obsessed with this stuff?

01:08:51.000 How could you not be obsessed with a pack of psychopathic killers running the world government, setting up world taxes, trying to sell us on torture, Well, they won the Academy Award exposing how the White House ordered torture. 0.62

01:09:05.000 Now they're talking about indicting John Yoo, who wrote the memo saying they could torture children sexually. 0.69

01:09:11.000 I've said he should be immediately arrested!

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01:09:40.000 I've been here vitriolically talking about everybody's waking up and we're exposing these people, but we put an article up today, several articles up today, where I'm trying to find the article.

01:09:55.000 I read it at the start of the first hour.

01:09:57.000 I just can't keep track of it all.

01:09:58.000 Let me go to Prison Planet and try to pull it up.

01:10:01.000 But I know Bob has already seen it.

01:10:02.000 Greenspan, two days ago, and it just hit the news today, gave a speech to the Association That makes up the grouping of all the Arab OPEC members.

01:10:15.000 And he said, go ahead and get rid of the dollar.

01:10:17.000 Please, you know, drop the dollar as the peg.

01:10:21.000 You need to get off.

01:10:21.000 And then he said, it's going to help us with inflation here.

01:10:25.000 And according to everything I know about basics of economics, if they dump the dollar, and countries are already moving away, that's going to precipitate an even faster slide And according to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts and Joseph Stiklitz and Bob Chapman and, I mean, how many experts have we had on?

01:10:44.000 All we've got left is the dollar, and just last week, Dr. Roberts, former Wall Street Journal editor, the father of economics, head of the Treasury, he said here that Depression, total collapse if the dollar collapses.

01:10:59.000 And he said if the dollar can just hold, it's kind of a mediocre currency, we may just slide into a five-year recession.

01:11:05.000 Same thing Bob Chapman's been saying.

01:11:06.000 And then Greenspan comes out and says, no, it's good, let's get rid of the dollar.

01:11:12.000 I was shaken when I saw this this morning, but it fits in with his activity the last year.

01:11:17.000 And this is treason, is it not, Bob Chapman?

01:11:22.000 Right, and the answer is diehard.

01:11:28.000 Anyway, that is quite a switch for Mr. Greenspan.

01:11:32.000 But, you know, Mr. Greenspan's been on their payroll for a long time.

01:11:38.000 And he's saying what he is being told to say.

01:11:41.000 And if that is the case, he is telling you that the insiders have decided they're going to let the dollar go.

01:11:49.000 It's no longer going to be the reserve currency.

01:11:52.000 It'll be one of many other currencies.

01:11:55.000 The OPEC members will probably use a basket of currencies which they already have set up.

01:12:00.000 Haven't used, but haven't set up.

01:12:03.000 They've abandoned any premise, possibility of the dollar continuing as a world monetary unit.

01:12:12.000 And how far it goes down remains to be seen.

01:12:15.000 But when you spoke of inflation and what Mr. Greenspan said about inflation, That is absolutely and thoroughly incorrect.

01:12:26.000 Because if the dollar continues to fall, because it's not going to be a reserve currency anymore, and countries won't have to hold large amounts of it, then that currency will enter the marketplace in one form or another, whether it's being used to buy stocks or properties or gold or silver or whatever, when it hits the market, it's going to be more inflationary than we have already, and we're already at 12%.

01:12:54.000 Now, Bob Chapman, am I correct in saying, because I don't want to miss the forest for the trees, but it seems like this is literally an elementary, kindergarten-level, economic 101

01:13:07.000 That if the dollar continues to tank, that's the cause of the inflation, is because they devalued it by over-issuance of the currency, liquidity, and the credit, and sold all this bad debt, and that having the bag handed back to us will only accelerate its destruction and our standard of living.

01:13:28.000 I mean, how can he get up there and say, A tanking dollar is good for inflation. 0.97

01:13:35.000 Do they think the public's that dumb? 0.98

01:13:37.000 Well, first of all, you may have an elementary knowledge, but it's quite good. 0.98

01:13:42.000 And what you've just said is perfect.

01:13:44.000 The only gaping hole there is that while all this is going on, in order to keep the U.S.

01:13:51.000 economy and the world economy, for that matter, from slipping into deflation, what they must continue to do is increase money and credit.

01:14:01.000 Uh, as fast as they can.

01:14:03.000 It's being increased 16% right now, and 18 of the other 20 major currencies are running around 14% on average.

01:14:12.000 Some of them are higher, some of them are lower.

01:14:14.000 We get 2.9.

01:14:14.000 The European Monetary Unit, the Euro, the European Central Bank, ECB, and over in London, it's 12.3.

01:14:26.000 So, everybody's on the bandwagon.

01:14:28.000 So, what are they doing?

01:14:30.000 They're all They're all depreciating their currencies at the same time to keep the inevitable away, which is deflation.

01:14:42.000 They know what's coming.

01:14:44.000 They've known since 2002, when they made the turn at the corner and then the Middle East blew up in their face. 0.98

01:14:52.000 Brzezinski came out two years ago and said, you've set us back 30 years in our quest for world government, referring to the Bush administration.

01:15:02.000 They have just made so many mistakes, and they're going to get caught.

01:15:07.000 And the whole thing's going down, just like Paul Craig Roberts said.

01:15:11.000 And it's just not good.

01:15:14.000 And the inflation's going to be there, and it's going to be big time.

01:15:16.000 So we're going to have stagflation?

01:15:19.000 That's right.

01:15:20.000 Unemployment, frozen or very small wage increases, productivity increases will probably run normal, which are 2.5%.

01:15:31.000 And then you get the collapsing real estate market, a credit crisis.

01:15:35.000 Here's the $64 million question, Bob Chapman.

01:15:38.000 I appreciate you popping in to comment on this today.

01:15:42.000 Why are the big central banks, the IMF, the other organizations over there, the big central banks of Europe, why are they Going along with this, why would they want to accelerate the destruction of the dollar when they hold so many reserves in it?

01:16:02.000 Why are they doing this?

01:16:03.000 Who stands to gain from this?

01:16:06.000 It's a commonality of losses.

01:16:09.000 And you know, I think what they're looking at as the final product here is that all currencies go down against gold because they can't hold gold down forever.

01:16:18.000 And I'll get into that in a second.

01:16:20.000 But if they're all going to go down, those currencies against gold, They'll say, ipso facto, I think we should have a world currency now.

01:16:29.000 And that's really what they're asking for.

01:16:31.000 Maybe they're trying to take them all down for that reason.

01:16:34.000 Now that's what they've said.

01:16:35.000 They have to build the euro, then make the dollar fall, then claim it's because of currency problems, dollarize the Americas, then have destabilization between those, and then, oh, we've just got to have a world peg on the currency.

01:16:49.000 That's probably the final culmination of what they're doing.

01:16:54.000 And you saw the events here on Friday and Monday with regard to rumors on CNBC that AMBAC and NBIA are going to be bailed out and that they'll keep their AAA ratings.

01:17:10.000 And then S&P said yesterday that they will allow them to keep their ratings even though one of them just put out some notes that are paying 14%.

01:17:21.000 Doesn't sound like AAA to me.

01:17:23.000 And so why did they do that?

01:17:26.000 Well, they had to calm the market, but they also knew some horrible news was coming.

01:17:32.000 The PPI figures were at 1% on the month.

01:17:35.000 You were looking at 10% falls in sales and house prices and consumer confidence indexes in the basement someplace.

01:17:45.000 And they knew all this was coming.

01:17:47.000 And so that's the game they played.

01:17:48.000 They're manipulating all the markets.

01:17:51.000 Now, what'll happen is slowly the market, the stock market, will go back down again, and slowly gold will start to move back up again.

01:17:58.000 And, of course, they threw in an IMF sale, which McCormick at the Treasury, who was appointed, incidentally, by Paulson, both from Goldman, he says, oh, the administration says it's okay to sell that gold.

01:18:14.000 If they cut some expenses.

01:18:16.000 That's right.

01:18:16.000 To be clear, what was that a week ago?

01:18:18.000 The IMF dumped a ton of gold in the market trying to suppress prices and gold responded by going to $9.50.

01:18:24.000 It's at $9.46 right now.

01:18:26.000 So, if they wouldn't have dumped all that gold in the market, would gold be above $1,000 right now?

01:18:34.000 Oh, sure.

01:18:35.000 Incidentally, I have a piece in tomorrow's issue written by Jim Sinclair about the history of IMF dumping.

01:18:42.000 Well, stay there.

01:18:43.000 Let's come back and talk about that if you can with us, Bob Chapman.

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01:23:08.000 Gold is at $9.47 and climbing right now.

01:23:13.000 Look, bottom line, Bob Chapman, TheInternationalForecaster.com.

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01:23:23.000 Bob, in the minute or two we got left here, and I appreciate you popping in, in layman's terms, it's very bad to have the former Fed Chairman tell the Arabs to dump the dollar.

01:23:36.000 And in the long run, even the short term, we just don't know how bad it'll hurt us, but it's gonna hurt us either way.

01:23:42.000 It's hurting our economy because our fiat currency was the main thing we had left as an economy, and we let these guys get in there and create this fantasy world, and now they're showing us that they're globalists and they're selling us out.

01:23:56.000 Is that a correct statement?

01:24:00.000 It certainly is.

01:24:03.000 So what do we do about Greenspan?

01:24:04.000 I mean, I think we need to expose him as a traitor.

01:24:06.000 We can't do anything about the man.

01:24:08.000 I mean, he's going to do what he's going to do.

01:24:10.000 He came out of obscurity, in actuality, a failed economist, with one client when he was brought into the Federal Reserve in the 1980s and then graduated to his job for 20 years.

01:24:28.000 He's going to do what he's told to do.

01:24:29.000 He's been paid to do that all his life.

01:24:31.000 And when he talks to those people at OPEC, he gets several hundred thousand or a million dollars for speaking to them.

01:24:38.000 And it's, you know, this is the game that they play.

01:24:41.000 They don't care about the public, you and I. They care about enrichment, whether they're 83 years old or not.

01:24:47.000 Well, I mean, obviously that's the fact.

01:24:49.000 I'm just trying to impart to the public.

01:24:52.000 Gold is, I guess, this signals that gold's going up for sure if Greenspan's saying dump the dollar.

01:24:58.000 Absolutely, and I'll tell you, if you're not on board, you're still at the beginning of phase two of three or four phases.

01:25:06.000 You want to be long gold and silver-related assets immediately.

01:25:11.000 By the way, silver's exploding right now.

01:25:14.000 What's your take on that?

01:25:16.000 It's underpriced.

01:25:16.000 It should explode.

01:25:19.000 It's been a long way.

01:25:20.000 You know, the short positions by the commercials in both gold and silver are at all-time highs.

01:25:26.000 And if these two medals continue to go up, they're going to take big losses.

01:25:30.000 And I'm a former professional trader for 25 years.

01:25:34.000 I belong to the Traders Association, etc.

01:25:36.000 And I want to tell you something.

01:25:38.000 You never see what you see going on among those commercials.

01:25:42.000 The only conclusion I can come to is that the United States government has guaranteed them against loss.

01:25:50.000 Why else would they do anything so suicidal?

01:25:56.000 Boy, I tell you, it's just amazing.

01:25:59.000 Bob Chapman, TheInternationalForecaster.com.

01:26:02.000 Thank you for spending time with us today, sir.

01:26:04.000 My pleasure, whenever you want.

01:26:05.000 Take care.

01:26:06.000 There goes Bob Chapman.

01:26:07.000 Now, he's only with us for two minutes.

01:26:09.000 I called Ted during the last break, and I said, how are you on the deal you've been offering for a week?

01:26:14.000 And he said, we have very little of the three different types of gold coins left.

01:26:19.000 We've got some of the silver left.

01:26:21.000 He thought yesterday was the day.

01:26:23.000 It's going to be going up, because it's been staying at near $9.50 for a week now.

01:26:27.000 Ted is almost out of these.

01:26:28.000 Limited supplies.

01:26:30.000 This is going to be it at that price.

01:26:31.000 It may go up a little bit or a lot.

01:26:33.000 We're not sure.

01:26:34.000 Ted, tell them about the offer.

01:26:35.000 People just heard Bob Chapman.

01:26:36.000 Well, just like you said, Alex, I mean, silver's at $18.71, almost $19.

01:26:41.000 I'm still holding silver at $19 per face value.

01:26:45.000 Again, that's 10 dimes or four quarters equals $1.

01:26:48.000 So you're paying like 25, 30 cents above spot.

01:26:51.000 I mean, you can't get that anywhere. 0.87

01:26:52.000 No, that's ridiculous.

01:26:53.000 I mean, the gold right now is at 947.90, and I still have the British Sovereign at 2.54.

01:27:02.000 That was when gold was at 9.20.

01:27:03.000 I have a few of those francs left at 2.02.

01:27:10.000 Gold's gone up Incredibly, silver's gone up as well.

01:27:14.000 These are perfect coins to get in on at the bottom floor.

01:27:18.000 It's only going to go up.

01:27:19.000 All the evidence says that.

01:27:21.000 These are great coins.

01:27:22.000 These are the type of coins I pick up a few of every month.

01:27:24.000 Give Ted Anderson a call, 800-686-2237.

01:27:26.000 He has great professional brokers.

01:27:30.000 Yeah, and it's getting to the point where I know darn well my wholesalers are not going to hold on this stuff.

01:27:34.000 because, I mean, you need to get in on this, and this is introductory what Ted's doing.

01:27:38.000 800-686-2237, 800-686-2237.

01:27:44.000 Ted, if they don't take advantage of that silver, I mean, that's what, 30 cents above spot?

01:27:49.000 Yeah, and it's getting to the point where I know darn well my wholesalers are not going to hold on this stuff.

01:27:55.000 I'm probably going to end up taking a little bit of a loss, but like you said, it gets people involved in the market.

01:27:59.000 But right now, without a question, I mean, you said it's going to go up.

01:28:03.000 It is.

01:28:04.000 It already has gone up.

01:28:06.000 When you look into the past, and you go, hey, look, I can still buy something that, you know, because this compares to silver at about $17, and I'm looking at $18.66.

01:28:13.000 Call 800-686-2237.

01:28:13.000 Now's the time to get in.

01:28:14.000 It's here.

01:28:15.000 $1.66.

01:28:16.000 Call 800-686-2237.

01:28:19.000 Now's the time to get in.

01:28:20.000 It's here.

01:28:21.000 This is a great value, and there's, you know, I don't know how to say it.

01:28:25.000 All right.

01:28:25.000 800-686-2237.

01:28:27.000 Tons of news and a lot more ahead.

01:28:29.000 Ted, thanks for popping in with us.

01:28:31.000 Hey, thanks for having me up again, Alex.

01:28:32.000 And if you missed Bob's website, it's theinternationalforecaster.com.

01:28:35.000 Incredible insight.

01:28:37.000 We'll be right back.

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01:34:00.000 But he joins us once a month, and it's time for that visit now.

01:34:05.000 And people actually call in and email me and write me and say, when are you having Marty back on?

01:34:09.000 He is such a character.

01:34:10.000 We love his limericks.

01:34:12.000 And look, I bring products on from time to time that I believe in.

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01:34:22.000 Michael Drudeau was a sales manager here three or four years ago.

01:34:25.000 He'd been there for 12 years before that.

01:34:30.000 He was a Republican, but he was into environmental stuff.

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01:34:39.000 You know, I used to have allergies.

01:34:40.000 You want to use this?

01:34:41.000 And he had Marty send me a year of supply.

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01:34:45.000 Just a good-sized box, but, you know, it's a lot of, it's a small box for a year of supply.

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01:34:57.000 I won't take things I don't believe in.

01:34:59.000 Plus, I try to have my... I told my wife, just buy organic stuff at Whole Foods.

01:35:04.000 It's like three times the cost of detergent stuff, and it would still upset my kid's skin.

01:35:09.000 She said, no, I want that soap.

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01:35:32.000 Hospitals, five-star hotels, because they knew how to save money and they knew what was quality.

01:35:39.000 That said, Marty Schachter, it's always great to have you on.

01:35:42.000 It's always a pleasure to talk to you and your listeners.

01:35:46.000 It makes my day, if not my month, And it's just such a wonderful pleasure to relate information and share with you something they can't get anywhere else.

01:35:56.000 Bottom line, in a nutshell, for listeners that haven't heard you and there's, you know, hundreds of thousands a day that are new to TuneIn, the show's just exploding.

01:36:04.000 In a nutshell, why your soap is soap versus detergent, what it's made up out of, the products, and then how you can make the claim, which is true, of 85% off supermarket prices.

01:36:16.000 Well, number one, our products are triple concentrated.

01:36:20.000 We don't use fillers, air, salt.

01:36:23.000 It doesn't take much to pick up most of the products in a supermarket like Dove or Zest or Dial and read the label that says it's got a wonderful product in there called Sodium Chloride.

01:36:38.000 And people think they've got, my God, must be a new cleaning product!

01:36:41.000 Sodium Chloride is table salt.

01:36:45.000 They use table salt as a filler, as an inert ingredient, as a weight enhancer.

01:36:52.000 Most of the products have large amounts, anywhere from 30, 40, to 50% of the content is table salt.

01:37:02.000 Now that's a scam right there, but I'm not even worried about the salt myself.

01:37:08.000 What about all the chemicals And the things they admit.

01:37:12.000 I mean, the first thing an allergist will tell you, a medical doctor, if your kid's got asthma, is get him on organic soap.

01:37:17.000 People are breathing this stuff.

01:37:19.000 I mean, I'm an issue.

01:37:20.000 I get one drop of shampoo in my eye, it'd burn me.

01:37:22.000 None of it's Caldense soap.

01:37:23.000 Well, right now, if you go to the supermarket and walk down the detergent aisle, you'll need a respirator.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, my eyes water, yeah.

01:37:31.000 It just fumes from the perfume.

01:37:33.000 Perfumes are toxic.

01:37:35.000 We don't use perfumes.

01:37:37.000 We use natural juices from oranges, from pears, From cherries, from almonds, from coconuts.

01:37:45.000 These are materials that don't stay on your skin, don't stay in the air, and doesn't stay in your towels.

01:37:54.000 It's safe, it's food, and it works so well.

01:37:58.000 We believe in that.

01:37:59.000 We're very old-fashioned, very conservative, and very stubborn in our products.

01:38:06.000 You know, old is new again.

01:38:08.000 Soap is Thousands of years old!

01:38:11.000 And yet, it's here, it's new again, because of Alex Jones saying so, and we've got to introduce this to the people, because there's thousands of chemicals.

01:38:24.000 Basically, it all sums up, it's called junk science.

01:38:28.000 Well, the globalists are chemical makers, so they put sodium fluoride in the water, instead of it being a toxic waste, they say it's nutritious, or they put mercury in the shots and say it's good for you.

01:38:38.000 Or they put all these toxic chemicals, the byproducts of cracking oil.

01:38:43.000 You worked in the military chemical course, you know about it.

01:38:45.000 Right.

01:38:46.000 And they just dump it into our soap, and then we put it down the drain.

01:38:49.000 It's a great way of getting rid of their toxic waste.

01:38:51.000 And they call it soap.

01:38:53.000 It's not soap, is it?

01:38:54.000 It's a petrochemical made from petroleum.

01:38:58.000 It's a detergent.

01:39:00.000 A sludge.

01:39:00.000 The word was created in 1945.

01:39:03.000 A sludge.

01:39:04.000 That's what it is, basically.

01:39:06.000 It's too strong.

01:39:08.000 It's too toxic.

01:39:09.000 It's got three basic fillers or inert ingredients and products.

01:39:14.000 Number one, sodium chloride, which would you wash your face, your body, your baby with table salt.

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01:39:22.000 They puff it up like ivory soap, which is a good bar soap, but it's got, you know, 30, 40% air in it.

01:39:30.000 So it'll float.

01:39:31.000 And the other third item is water.

01:39:36.000 But again, I'm not even worried about that.

01:39:38.000 I mean, that's bad enough.

01:39:39.000 It's all the toxic things.

01:39:41.000 Marty, tell them about some of the specials, some of the products.

01:39:43.000 Give them the number.

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01:41:10.000 One of the things that's been happening, I've been getting a lot of phone calls from people who are concerned about shelf life.

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01:41:26.000 Another thing I've noticed is just like detergent soaps and bars.

01:41:29.000 If you leave one on a shelf for like a year, it like eats through the paper and starts bubbling out like it's a toxic waste.

01:41:36.000 Your stuff doesn't do that.

01:41:37.000 800?

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01:41:53.000 Or 5, just the number 5, starsoap.com.

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01:42:00.000 There's a big fat banner in the middle of jonesreport.com.

01:42:03.000 If you forget the site, it's right in the middle of Jones Report.

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01:42:08.000 Okay, this is way, way, this is my most favorite limerick.

01:42:10.000 BenPierceO.com.

01:42:11.000 Again, that number, 800-340-7091.

01:42:14.000 As always, Marty, it's great having you on.

01:42:17.000 Okay, this is way, way, this is my most favorite limerick.

01:42:17.000 Give us a limerick.

01:42:22.000 Very, very old.

01:42:23.000 God's plan made a hopeful beginning.

01:42:27.000 But man spoiled his chances by sinning.

01:42:31.000 We trust that the story will end in God's glory.

01:42:36.000 But at present, the other side's winning. - What's happening?

01:42:42.000 Marty, you're something else.

01:42:46.000 1-800-340-7091.

01:42:47.000 Marty, we'll talk to you soon, my friend.

01:42:48.000 Looking forward to it.

01:42:49.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:42:50.000 God bless you.

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01:42:55.000 We have a few sponsors we have up once a month.

01:42:58.000 And Storable Foods folks, the soap people, the water filter folks.

01:43:01.000 And that's how I pay for all the employees in the office and the websites.

01:43:04.000 And I also try to bring you things that are good deals that I buy myself that I believe in that are discounted on top of it.

01:43:12.000 So, I just believe in it, and thank you for letting us have sponsors on, folks.

01:43:16.000 Marty's a sweetheart.

01:43:19.000 Okay.

01:43:21.000 Man, there is so much here to cover, so much to go over.

01:43:25.000 We're going to be having Paul Craig Roberts at the end of the show.

01:43:30.000 Dr. Roberts can pop in real fast with his take on Greenspan saying the dollar needs to be basically abandoned.

01:43:36.000 That is a big deal.

01:43:41.000 But look at this story on antidepressants out of the Daily Mail out of the United Kingdom.

01:43:46.000 And you'd think this story was hardcore and exposing something.

01:43:49.000 It really is a whitewash.

01:43:51.000 I mean, even when you think something's exposing something, it's not one-tenth as bad as it really is.

01:43:55.000 Antidepressants taken by thousands of Brits do not work.

01:43:58.000 Major new study reveals.

01:43:59.000 Now, literally, I've seen scores of studies, their own internal studies.

01:44:05.000 They found back in 81, 82, when they were doing trials of Prozac, the big granddaddy of all these, This is a new one I'm going to get to in a minute.

01:44:12.000 I just want to give you the facts.

01:44:13.000 You can go look these up.

01:44:16.000 They found that it caused massive increases in suicide, psychopathic acting out, homicidal Just rage, stabbing, shooting, killing, people slicing themselves.

01:44:29.000 Women, it really drives nuts when they get an imbalance with it. 1.00

01:44:32.000 Running around slicing themselves with butcher knives is one of their favorites. 1.00

01:44:36.000 Cutting their baby's arms off. 0.98

01:44:37.000 I mean, it's always the same.

01:44:39.000 I hate to have to mention that, but you need to know what this stuff can do to you.

01:44:42.000 You're having a good trip, you're happy.

01:44:43.000 It's in the hallucinogen family. 0.89

01:44:45.000 You have the bad trip, folks, and you start killing babies.

01:44:49.000 Antidepressants taken by thousands of Brits do not work.

01:44:52.000 But see, they have found, even in the 80s, and then right to the 90s, every one of these, that sugar pill has a bigger effect in control.

01:45:00.000 This is their own studies, by the way.

01:45:02.000 But still, the FDA approves them.

01:45:04.000 sugar pill, placebo.

01:45:06.000 It isn't...

01:45:13.000 It makes you worse.

01:45:15.000 Just go to Luvox, or go to any of these serotonin reuptake inhibitors, Uh, fluoride slash chlorine base that combine the molecules.

01:45:24.000 This is chemical weapons.

01:45:25.000 Same stuff that's in sarin and VX nerve gas.

01:45:26.000 You don't believe me?

01:45:27.000 Go look it up.

01:45:29.000 Of course you're feeling good, baby. 0.76

01:45:30.000 Your brain cells are dying.

01:45:32.000 You like that VX nerve gas, don't you?

01:45:37.000 What did they get away with?

01:45:38.000 It's just incredible.

01:45:41.000 But, of course, it's tied to Alzheimer's and diabetes now.

01:45:43.000 Of course!

01:45:44.000 You start taking chlorine and fluoride molecules combined together in different combos.

01:45:50.000 I mean, yeah, you're going to feel real good.

01:45:53.000 That's why drinking liquor makes you feel good. 0.62

01:45:55.000 Your brain's dying.

01:45:58.000 You ever broke your leg and a few minutes into it you get euphoria?

01:46:02.000 Kind of becomes numb and you kind of feel euphoric?

01:46:05.000 That's your natural endorphins coming out.

01:46:09.000 Well, That's what happens when you take these babies. 1.00

01:46:13.000 Your brain says, I'm dying.

01:46:14.000 Oh, I feel good.

01:46:15.000 Yeah, go sleep now.

01:46:19.000 Oh, it's more complex than that.

01:46:20.000 There's a lot of different interactions.

01:46:22.000 Antidepressants taken by thousands of Brits do not work.

01:46:26.000 Major new study reveals antidepressant tablets taken by millions of Britons may be a waste of time and money, researchers show.

01:46:32.000 Well, it's not just a waste of time and money.

01:46:34.000 It hurts you.

01:46:35.000 Any analysis of dozens of studies, this is mainstream news I'm reading here.

01:46:39.000 Any analysis of dozens of studies involving thousands of patients revealed that some of the most widely prescribed antidepressants work little better than dummy pills.

01:46:48.000 Little better?

01:46:50.000 The studies I've seen say placebo works better.

01:46:53.000 The drugs studied, including Prozac, Sero...Seroat...Affexor were a little more efficient than placebos in improving the mental health in the majority of cases, the University of Hull Research Show.

01:47:07.000 But then they have the side effect of psychopathic and suicidal activities.

01:47:11.000 I mean, don't read their own inserts!

01:47:12.000 Say it!

01:47:14.000 That's not me!

01:47:15.000 It's...oh, it's an antidepressant.

01:47:17.000 Oxymoron.

01:47:21.000 How is it an antidepressant if it makes you more depressed?

01:47:24.000 And again, once you get depressed and crazy on this stuff, once that happens... I'm an experimenter, folks.

01:47:33.000 I've never liked drugs, but I've tried this, tried that once or twice.

01:47:36.000 I had a girlfriend who took Prozac.

01:47:40.000 And I wanted to see what it would do, so for just a few days I took it.

01:47:45.000 And man, I felt like I was in a dream.

01:47:49.000 You know when you're daydreaming?

01:47:51.000 You're kind of mesmerized?

01:47:57.000 That was probably back in about, what, about 1995 or so?

01:48:00.000 No, about 1994.

01:48:00.000 Yeah, I'd go over to her house every night and she'd be sitting there watching TV or whatever.

01:48:06.000 Boy, she was always happy.

01:48:07.000 Let me tell you, it was like a... That's why I didn't, that's why I quit going out with her.

01:48:11.000 It was like, it was like dating a robot or something.

01:48:17.000 A blonde-haired cheerleader type. 1.00

01:48:19.000 Great looking, everything, you know, somewhat smart, but it just wasn't like a real person.

01:48:26.000 Oh, it doesn't matter.

01:48:27.000 The point is here, this is bad stuff.

01:48:31.000 Research, which showed the most widely prescribed antidepressant pills are ineffective, was gathered by combining the results of 35 clinical trials, including 5,000 patients.

01:48:43.000 Only the most extreme depression of the tablets, which are taken by 2 million Britons and have been linked to a host of side effects, including suicide, prove Substantively superior in improving mental health.

01:48:58.000 And again, that's when they've got somebody who's just completely out of their gourd.

01:49:02.000 But again, it's those really depressed people that it does, and I've seen the studies, help short-term.

01:49:08.000 But then when they have the bad depression again, it's worse than it ever was, and now it's psychopathic, and they want to stab people.

01:49:14.000 They want to shoot.

01:49:16.000 These shooters have always been in the mental ward.

01:49:18.000 They always have been on four or five drugs.

01:49:21.000 And then, oh, or they miss their tablets, or mix them wrong, or don't get their prescription, or go to jail for DWI, and they get out after not having it for two days, and the first thing they do is go get a machine gun and go shoot a bunch of people.

01:49:34.000 And then they want my guns, because you've hocked millions of people up on a hallucinogenic drug.

01:49:43.000 Matt Grudge, working with the Clintons, I thought he was a big neocon.

01:49:47.000 This is important news.

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01:53:07.000 Going to be popping in with us for about 30-45 minutes next hour.

01:53:10.000 And then we're going to have Dr. Paul Greg Roberts pop in with what Alan Greenspan's done.

01:53:17.000 Oh man.

01:53:19.000 Telling the Arabs to dump the dollar. 0.74

01:53:21.000 It's just unbelievable treason.

01:53:23.000 The general public doesn't know what that means.

01:53:26.000 We don't have factories anymore like we used to.

01:53:28.000 80% of them are gone. 0.74

01:53:30.000 All we've got is that stinking dollar.

01:53:34.000 See, they get you under the control of a fiat system, the central banks, the private foreign banks get full control of us, and then you just wanted to trust them like they wouldn't abuse us or use it on us? 0.87

01:53:45.000 All these years we told you the Federal Reserve was your enemy?

01:53:47.000 I'm talking to long-time listeners that still hate me.

01:53:49.000 I get your emails.

01:53:51.000 Believe me, for our main listeners, I have people that have been listening for 10, 12 years, 13 years, that hate me, and that laugh about everything.

01:53:59.000 You're going to be laughing.

01:54:00.000 Are you laughing at the economy right now?

01:54:02.000 This is just the start.

01:54:04.000 You make me sick!

01:54:07.000 And I don't like my family going through pain. 0.92

01:54:09.000 I don't like your family going through pain.

01:54:10.000 I don't think this is cute or funny.

01:54:13.000 And just because you think it's funny, doesn't make it funny.

01:54:18.000 I mean, I am upset!

01:54:20.000 I'm so upset that I'm not even getting mad.

01:54:23.000 You know when you get so mad you don't even get mad?

01:54:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:26.000 It's just more like, I'm just tired of it!

01:54:29.000 I mean, do we have, like, the worst criminals ever running things?

01:54:32.000 Why do we have the worst criminals? 0.99

01:54:34.000 Just the most out-of-control, conniving, America-hating trash, getting rid of our sovereignty, destroying our currency, destroying our good name, selling the world on torture. 1.00

01:54:46.000 It's just amazing. 0.99

01:54:54.000 Absolutely amazing.

01:54:59.000 The type of things that we're dealing with here.

01:55:03.000 And I'm not going to try to whine about it.

01:55:06.000 I'm just going to try to give you the analysis.

01:55:07.000 That's why we got Dr. Roberts popping in at the end of the show, the last 15 minutes or so, after Paul Nelson.

01:55:14.000 She's probably the most successful of Willie Nelson's children in music, but quite a few of them are very successful.

01:55:20.000 Great music!

01:55:21.000 We've got a duet she did with her dad, too, we're going to play part of, and a few little short excerpts of Some of the tracks off her new album, Lucky 13, which you, by the way, can get at paulanelsonband.com.

01:55:40.000 And so that's coming up.

01:55:42.000 Rarely am I speechless.

01:55:44.000 This Greenspan thing, I've got all this other news in front of me and all I can think about is this Greenspan situation.

01:55:50.000 Because, you know, I live in the past, I live in the moment, I live in the future, too.

01:55:54.000 I'm certainly not a Zen type of guy like Willie Nelson.

01:55:58.000 I'm living in all of it.

01:56:00.000 I do live in the now.

01:56:01.000 I enjoy the now.

01:56:02.000 I think about the past.

01:56:04.000 I learn from it.

01:56:04.000 I always look forward and project into the future.

01:56:07.000 As a leader, as a planner, I have to do that.

01:56:10.000 And this may take six months.

01:56:15.000 It may take a year.

01:56:17.000 It just follows a pattern of the big central bankers and their head minions and spokesmen like Greenspan.

01:56:23.000 He's the most known central banker in the world, the most, quote, prestigious.

01:56:28.000 Saying that it's good to have countries dump the dollar, when just on the face of it, that is the worst possible thing.

01:56:38.000 And then he gives a reason for it, saying it'll help inflation, when it's going to do the opposite on the face of it.

01:56:44.000 You know, he even gives us his reason for saying the dollar needs to die, is that it's going to help inflation.

01:56:50.000 And I guess that means inflation is going to be so bad, they've got to just get rid of the dollar.

01:56:55.000 Let me tell you, the process of that happening will take years, and it's going to be like having your wisdom teeth pulled every single day.

01:57:02.000 So, I know what this means now for our country.

01:57:05.000 I know what this means for you.

01:57:06.000 It means they're going ahead with it, they're going to trash the dollar, and I am boiling mad over this.

01:57:16.000 But hey, I'm going to shift gears and get into a good mood to talk to Paula Nelson.

01:57:18.000 I'm a fan of her music and a big fan of her daddy and the whole Willie Nelson crew.

01:57:23.000 Willie Nelson and Friends, as they say.

01:57:26.000 So we'll be right back with Paula Nelson from the Paula Nelson Band, the new record album, Lucky 13.

01:57:31.000 Thank you for listening to GCN.

01:57:38.000 Be sure to visit GCNlive.com today.

01:57:41.000 Well, it's cold outside, it's cold outside, and the hardest part.

01:58:06.000 I can't take away the chill of the night.

01:58:10.000 And I've been pining on and on about how everything's wrong.

01:58:19.000 As if it's a throwaway, everything I own.

01:58:24.000 The weather has changed again.

01:58:29.000 Thank you.

01:58:31.000 But the city looks the same, though I can't find the sun from the chill in the air.

01:58:39.000 Be that as it may, I'm fallin' on better days.

01:58:46.000 Be that as it may, I'm fallin' on better days.

01:58:55.000 Nowhere is a place for my head and everything.

01:59:00.000 Every dream I've had, it just quite exists.

01:59:08.000 Doesn't pay to blink, cause it's later than you think.

01:59:13.000 Your whole life could change with all the time A promise is a lie with a prettier disguise Like I love you for the rest of my life Be that as it may, I fall in on that day 0.97

01:59:39.000 Be that as it may, I fall in on that day Six o'clock in the morning and here I am Morning without running, why suck it? 0.61

02:00:00.000 Alright, folks, we're back live.

02:00:01.000 We're about to go to break here in a moment, but let's go ahead and bring her up. 1.00

02:00:05.000 The website's PaulaNelsonBand.com.

02:00:07.000 She's Paula Nelson, an amazing artist in her own right, and of course, not just a musician, but lead vocals of the Paula Nelson Band.

02:00:15.000 There she is doing a duet with her father we've interviewed twice in the last three weeks.

02:00:20.000 Paula Nelson, thanks for coming on with us.

02:00:22.000 Hi, how are you doing?

02:00:24.000 Thanks for having me.

02:00:25.000 Fantastic.

02:00:26.000 It's great to have you on.

02:00:27.000 I saw you had a new record out or a new album out in the news and I wanted to have you on to talk about just your music, your dad, your whole philosophy, just everything.

02:00:37.000 Where are you right now?

02:00:39.000 I'm in Austin, Texas.

02:00:40.000 Oh, so you're back in Austin.

02:00:41.000 I heard you've been on the road.

02:00:42.000 Yeah, we went to Alpine and Odessa and we go to Fort Worth tomorrow and then back here in Austin.

02:00:48.000 But, you know, traveling's good.

02:00:51.000 It certainly is.

02:00:53.000 When did the new record come out, Lucky 13?

02:00:55.000 Uh, you know, we had a few printed out in December for friends and family, especially, I've been saying since March, that it'd be due in a month.

02:01:04.000 So by December we got out, well, about 500 or so, and then actually we're doing a CD release party this Friday night with Joe Ely here at the Saxon Pub in Austin, so that'll be the official release.

02:01:18.000 Oh, perfect.

02:01:18.000 I talked to some folks just a few weeks ago.

02:01:21.000 They said they saw you at the Saxit Pub.

02:01:23.000 You play there, what, once a week, don't you?

02:01:26.000 Yep, every Wednesday night.

02:01:27.000 We've been doing that for the last couple of years.

02:01:29.000 It's a paid rehearsal and we've got all our friends and family there.

02:01:33.000 So it's a nice addition to the week.

02:01:37.000 Now, it gets pretty jam-packed.

02:01:38.000 That's just up the street from where I'm broadcasting from on South Lamar.

02:01:42.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:01:43.000 Yeah, it gets pretty packed in there.

02:01:45.000 It's definitely one of my favorite clubs in Austin.

02:01:47.000 It's just a really feel-good kind of spot.

02:01:50.000 You can sit down and enjoy the music.

02:01:53.000 I don't have an ear for it, but I'm told it has great acoustics.

02:01:57.000 It does.

02:01:57.000 It really does.

02:01:58.000 Well, I think it's just the way, like I said, you can sit down.

02:02:00.000 There's a lot of clubs in Austin that are big warehouse-type venues, and it's easy to lose the music in there, but Paxton Pub's kind of like them.

02:02:09.000 Well, we're going to play some little cuts from your album.

02:02:16.000 Not the whole songs, but part of a few of them, if that's okay when we get back from break.

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02:05:52.000 Paula Nelson, daughter of Willie Nelson, an amazing musician and singer, vocalist in her own right, with the group Paula Nelson Band.

02:06:18.000 We just played a duet with her and her father.

02:06:20.000 She's with us till 40 after.

02:06:21.000 The Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former Wall Street Journal editor, father of Reaganomics, comes on to talk about what's happening to the economy and Greenspan calling for basically dumping the dollar.

02:06:31.000 You know, when we got Willie on three weeks ago for the first time, you noticed for about 20 minutes, I didn't throw any hard questions at him because I'm such a big fan.

02:06:37.000 I wanted to hear about growing up, music, his family.

02:06:40.000 And then Willie's like, hey, let's get into some hardcore issues.

02:06:43.000 We're not going to get into too many of those today, though I do want to talk about her father because he's such an icon and such a great person, but also her life, her family, what she's doing.

02:06:52.000 But we couldn't have a Nelson on without, you know, getting into some of those issues.

02:06:55.000 We'll probably spend a little bit of time on that.

02:06:58.000 Paul, you brought something up to me pretty amazing, though, during that last break when we had a few minutes to talk, and that I didn't even know about, that happened the first time your dad came on, and then he came back on still again to show him the type of guy he is, and I think it's pretty historical and important, but do you think we should just out of the gates mention that or just leave it alone?

02:07:24.000 Well, I think that's something that happens often when people state their opinions and there's strong opinion against it and strong against opinions for it.

02:07:34.000 So, I'll just leave that up to you.

02:07:36.000 I mean, I don't want to cause any more problems, but there just are a lot of sensitive people out there.

02:07:41.000 Well, we've got to stand up to them.

02:07:43.000 And that's why I think we should, since you brought it up, mention it. 1.00

02:07:48.000 That there's a lot of scum out there. 0.99

02:07:50.000 You know, 80% of the American people are against the war. 0.99

02:07:53.000 It's our right as Americans to be against the war.

02:07:56.000 The war has been proven to be a fraud.

02:07:57.000 And your father's gotten some threats and things over that.

02:08:01.000 Also talking about the towers.

02:08:02.000 A lot of engineers and architects say they look like a controlled demolition.

02:08:06.000 Well, I definitely agree with that.

02:08:07.000 I used to hear from you that somebody was death-threatening your dad, and that he's such a classy guy that when he came back on, he didn't even talk about that.

02:08:14.000 It's just, those individuals are despicable, and it's just all the more reason people need to know how despicable they are. - Well, I definitely agree with that.

02:08:25.000 You know, one of the Dixie Chicks went through their stuff, and you know, I think it's just mainly when we're fighting for peace and we're giving death threats, that doesn't really make sense.

02:08:35.000 And that kind of goes with the whole war in the first place.

02:08:38.000 You know, that kind of covers a lot of territory.

02:08:42.000 Well, the individuals that do that, if you can find out who they are, I'd just call the police on them.

02:08:47.000 I mean, that is just despicable to try to intimidate our free speech.

02:08:51.000 I mean, don't we have a right as Americans, even if it was an unpopular view, and by the way, his views are popular, isn't it our right, Paula Nelson, to have those views?

02:09:01.000 Well, most definitely.

02:09:02.000 Most definitely.

02:09:03.000 And, you know, I mean, my dad, as we all know, is one of the most loving men in this whole world.

02:09:10.000 I mean, he is an icon.

02:09:11.000 He'd do anything for anybody.

02:09:13.000 He does so much for his own family, for the family farmers.

02:09:16.000 I mean, he's done this for 40, 50 years.

02:09:20.000 You know, the man's 70, 75, 76.

02:09:24.000 And he's like the Energizer Bunny.

02:09:26.000 He just keeps giving, giving, giving, giving.

02:09:29.000 You know, so the whole idea of anyone getting death threats, but especially someone who's just speaking out for peace.

02:09:35.000 And I think we all just need to kind of wake up and look at the situation the world is in and make differences where we can, especially in awareness, you know, whatever that may be, just finding out what's really going on.

02:09:46.000 Well, I can't think of anything more American than what your father does speaking out.

02:09:49.000 As Teddy Roosevelt said, it's our duty as patriotic Americans to expose corrupt governments.

02:09:55.000 But some people say, no, no, no, we're not supposed to ask questions.

02:09:58.000 That sounds like Nazi Germany, though, when you're supposed to shut your mouth and not speak up.

02:10:03.000 No, I believe most definitely, you know, especially if we should speak up and stand up for what we believe in.

02:10:09.000 Most definitely, I believe that, you know.

02:10:12.000 There's some things that, like I said, I don't quite speak out on yet because I don't really know all the answers.

02:10:17.000 You know, there's a lot of uncovered stuff out there.

02:10:19.000 And I, you know, with my stuff, I write about what I know most definitely in my own life, you know, with my own music and the things that are happening in the world and family and people around me.

02:10:32.000 But as far as, you know, I really just try and Research everything as much as possible, and like I said, what's going on is terrible.

02:10:39.000 The war is terrible.

02:10:40.000 No one should be for them.

02:10:42.000 Well, talking to your father, I mean, I was already a huge fan of the time I was a small child, being born and bred here in Texas and then in Austin, but I did more research on your dad before and after I had him on when I knew he was coming on, and to find out that he gives so much to so many charities and so much time to charities and then never even talks about How much he's given.

02:11:06.000 I mean, he is an incredible person.

02:11:08.000 He really is.

02:11:09.000 You know, he's just like I said, he's done so much for his own family and families all over the world.

02:11:14.000 And, you know, I love and support him no matter what he does, as I know he does me.

02:11:20.000 Well, to your dad's credit and the Dixie Chicks and others, they spoke out before and at the start and during the war. 0.69

02:11:27.000 And a lot of people tried to demonize him, but I think the chicks have come out even better on the other side of this and more respected.

02:11:35.000 Big films being made about him, obviously.

02:11:38.000 Your father, if it was possible, has only gotten bigger and more respected.

02:11:42.000 So I think, at the end of the day, the moral here is we can't let bullies intimidate us from not using our First Amendment right to free speech.

02:11:50.000 Yep, I totally agree.

02:11:51.000 I totally agree.

02:11:53.000 And I think the person that made those threats, I think they need to know that they failed, because your dad came back on the show and spoke out even more.

02:12:00.000 He went on Democracy Now!, national television, and spoke out last week.

02:12:04.000 And so I would just tell those individuals that they have failed.

02:12:08.000 I want to talk more about your father and your family and your music.

02:12:11.000 Later, but now let's get into the Paula Nelson Band, because I just love your voice. 0.99

02:12:16.000 I mean, it just sounds like country gold to me, but with kind of a mix of modern to it.

02:12:21.000 How would you describe your musical development and where it's led you today to the Paula Nelson Band?

02:12:29.000 Well, I mean, I definitely think I couldn't help the influence from all the talent, you know, surrounding me from birth between, yeah.

02:12:39.000 My father, of course, Waylon Jennings, Rita Coolidge, Jesse Coulter, you know, and of course, Reece Franklin.

02:12:48.000 There's just so many.

02:12:49.000 And then there were so many that we were surrounded with that I didn't even realize how cool and talented they were until I got older and really started appreciating music.

02:12:58.000 Johnny Cash.

02:13:00.000 Of course, Johnny and June, Roseanne, their daughter, you know, just all kids that we, Tudor, Jennings, we all grew up together, really.

02:13:09.000 So I don't think any of us really understood what an honor it was and what great music and what great influences we were under.

02:13:18.000 Even with all the pros and cons, of course, too.

02:13:21.000 It was hard growing up in school being Willie Nelson's daughter.

02:13:25.000 I just would rather kind of blend in rather than stick out.

02:13:30.000 But it taught me a lot of lessons and made me stronger.

02:13:34.000 Well, you're a sweetheart to spend time with us, and I get the same spirit from you that I get from your dad and other folks, you know, who do love, you know, just being good, decent people.

02:13:45.000 Paula, there's so many nuggets.

02:13:47.000 I'm a huge Waylon Jennings fan, huge Johnny Cash fan.

02:13:50.000 I mean, not just a fan of their music, but what they stood for, everything.

02:13:54.000 People are always wanting to know more about the narrative of their lives.

02:13:58.000 Behind the scenes, growing up, being around them, around their kids, any interesting stories or nuggets about Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, or any of these people?

02:14:08.000 Well, actually, there's a few pictures out there.

02:14:11.000 I think there's a couple on my MySpace site, but when I was, oh gosh, I was probably five or six, and Waylon and his band, and he had a drummer, Uh, his name's Richie Albright and I just had a crush on both of them and, you know, very early I'd run up to Waylon and he'd give me a kiss and say, who's number one?

02:14:32.000 And I'd say, you are!

02:14:33.000 And then I'd take off and I'd run into Richie Albright and he'd say, Paula!

02:14:37.000 And he'd pick me up and I'd give him a kiss and say, you are!

02:14:40.000 And I'd tell him he was number one.

02:14:42.000 And then my mom said I'd see both of them coming and just take off the other direction.

02:14:47.000 You know, at an early age, I knew, well, I don't want to have to choose between the two.

02:14:52.000 But, you know, they were all my uncles and my buddies and my... That's just one of the many, many stories I can think of that was kind of comical.

02:15:01.000 I mean, just from afar and seeing them in a few shows, Waylon Jennings had an amazing presence, didn't he?

02:15:07.000 Or what was it like knowing him in person?

02:15:10.000 You know, like I said, it didn't click to me that they were any different than anybody else's parents or family members.

02:15:20.000 I didn't really understand that they were different or that Dad was different or our family was different in any way until the kids in school got old enough to really remind me or let me know that we were different.

02:15:34.000 Like, well, what is it like to know so many people?

02:15:37.000 Uh, would you like to be rich?

02:15:38.000 And I personally didn't have a dime to my name, you know, me, myself, so I didn't understand.

02:15:43.000 So that made it a little bit difficult.

02:15:45.000 Uh, but then after I got out, Sloan was able to hang out and, you know, with the likes of Waylon and Leon, I was just in awe by their talent and their, you know, it was Uncle Waylon and Uncle Leon and Dad and I didn't even know how hard it was to play the guitar.

02:16:00.000 I didn't realize what a great guitar player or songwriter it was until I tried to do both on my own.

02:16:06.000 And then realize just how cool my dad's talent and really he is.

02:16:11.000 Last time I had your father on, last Monday, I'm brought up, when did he, you know, I mean, did he start out being this like Obi-Wan Kenobi, a really calm, zen, sweet guy?

02:16:22.000 I mean, being around your dad a few times, amazing presence.

02:16:25.000 Or did he develop that?

02:16:26.000 I think he kind of said he just developed in the things that happen in life.

02:16:31.000 I mean, you've been there for a big portion of your dad's life.

02:16:36.000 I think he's always been like that.

02:16:38.000 He's always been really calm and cool.

02:16:39.000 Like I said earlier, what you see is what you get.

02:16:41.000 even stronger with time?

02:16:42.000 Or was he always like that when you were even a child?

02:16:45.000 You know, I think he's always been like that.

02:16:48.000 He's always been really calm and cool.

02:16:51.000 Like I said earlier, you know, what you see is what you get.

02:16:54.000 He doesn't put on any airs or, you know, I'm Lily Nelson and look what all I do.

02:17:00.000 He is just the most down-to-earth person that there is, and he's hysterically funny.

02:17:05.000 We're both black belts in taekwondo.

02:17:09.000 And, you know, he's a machine.

02:17:11.000 We call him the Energizer Bunny.

02:17:12.000 He's just awesome.

02:17:17.000 He certainly is.

02:17:19.000 When we get back, we're going to talk more about your new album, Lucky 13.

02:17:22.000 What a great name for an album, and great tracks.

02:17:25.000 We've been listening to them the last few days.

02:17:27.000 And folks, if you want to get a copy of the new CD, it's at paulanelsonband.com.

02:17:32.000 There's a link there on the site to her MySpace.

02:17:35.000 It's a great MySpace page.

02:17:36.000 I was just looking at it while we were talking.

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02:22:29.000 You know, that's also got like a bluesy sound.

02:22:36.000 Uh, like a blues slash country?

02:22:37.000 I mean, I'm not really an expert on describing music, but I certainly, certainly like it.

02:22:41.000 I know a lot of folks here in Austin that I run into that are big, big fans of your music.

02:22:45.000 I mean, how would you describe your genre of music, Paula?

02:22:49.000 Well, I think there's definitely the blues in there.

02:22:52.000 You know, I love country, but I'm more of a fan of the old, old, old country, you know?

02:22:58.000 So, Ray Charles and, you know, I think it's more of a southern rock, maybe, you know, because there are definitely some rockin' songs, but, you know, of course, I love Bonnie Raitt, you know, and then, say, people here in Austin, of course, Tony Price, huge influence, Carolyn Wonderland, rock, too.

02:23:17.000 So, you know, Luanne Barton, Angela Stray, I've had all kinds of local influences as well as, you know, all over the place.

02:23:25.000 There's a lot of tracks on here, coming back out of the next break.

02:23:28.000 What do you think is a good song for us to play part of?

02:23:33.000 Well, you know, Day to Day Love is one of my favorites, of course, because my dad and my little brother Luke sing harmony with me, and of course my dad plays guitar, and then Tosca is playing on the song, and it's just a beautiful... and then Fire Below, I'm pretty partial to that one, too.

02:23:55.000 What was the first instrument that you played, Paula?

02:23:59.000 I started playing piano when I was about four or five, and I didn't take lessons.

02:24:04.000 I just played by ear.

02:24:05.000 In fact, I was convinced that the Partridge family had stolen a song from me, because I started playing, I Think I Love You, the first song that I started playing.

02:24:16.000 Not actually the way the song sounds, but at five, I was writing my own.

02:24:20.000 And then I played the piano for a while, Took up guitar.

02:24:24.000 My dad bought me my first guitar.

02:24:26.000 And I had no idea how hard it was to play the guitar.

02:24:30.000 It's much easier playing the pianos.

02:24:32.000 But, you know, I do all my writing with either one.

02:24:35.000 You know, I don't know the first thing about guitar playing, but I asked Jimmy Vaughn.

02:24:38.000 I said, Willie Nelson's a great guitar player.

02:24:41.000 And then he goes, oh, he's a fabulous guitar player.

02:24:43.000 And then your dad is constantly changing things and improvising, kind of like some of the other greats.

02:24:51.000 so many times he plays something different each time Uh, you know what, he definitely has a very unorthodox way of playing.

02:24:59.000 He puts his, I think it was Bob Dylan that said, He puts his own trip on everything, you know?

02:25:06.000 And he does.

02:25:07.000 Whatever he does, you can always tell it's him playing because he's got his own style in everything he does.

02:25:12.000 Jimi Hendrix did that, too.

02:25:13.000 He was always improvising, wasn't he?

02:25:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:25:16.000 Well, it's just amazing.

02:25:18.000 Like I said, I didn't realize how hard it was until I tried to play one, and then I paid attention to how my dad played his, and it's pretty cool.

02:25:26.000 What's the story on your dad's famous guitar?

02:25:28.000 How old is that, and how did it get the big hole in it?

02:25:32.000 Well, it's just a classical guitar, so it doesn't have a pick guard, to my knowledge.

02:25:38.000 And so that is just from him strumming and strumming and strumming for the last, gosh, I could think he started when he was in his 30s, late 20s, 30s.

02:25:48.000 Well, he started singing on stage when he was five at his dad's pool hall.

02:25:54.000 And then it just progressed from there.

02:25:56.000 But I'm not quite sure how old that guitar is, but it's got to be at least 40 some years old.

02:26:02.000 Because I'm 38.

02:26:05.000 What's his nickname for the guitar?

02:26:07.000 Trigger.

02:26:07.000 That's right, Trigger.

02:26:08.000 I'm going to make Trigger.

02:26:12.000 Do you have a favorite guitar, Paula?

02:26:14.000 I do.

02:26:15.000 I have a Guild, actually, guitar that my dad got me and I named her Gilda.

02:26:20.000 So I still have a big ol' hole in the side, but she's a good one. 1.00

02:26:26.000 Gilda.

02:26:26.000 That's kind of like an enchanted name.

02:26:28.000 Well, it was a Gilda, so I just added an A. You know, it wasn't really that creative, but it's a good one.

02:26:36.000 How long have you had Gilda?

02:26:38.000 I've had Gilda for 16 years.

02:26:43.000 Now, you've been playing a long time.

02:26:44.000 You've had bands for a while.

02:26:45.000 It seems, just from the buzz I hear, and I'm around the country, that your group's really starting to pick up some steam.

02:26:52.000 Yeah, it really is.

02:26:54.000 We've spent the last just over two years playing together, you know, all three or four times a week.

02:27:01.000 And like we mentioned the Saxon Pub earlier, they were kind enough to give us a residency there, which is just great.

02:27:07.000 It's given us a great time to practice and try out new material.

02:27:12.000 Landis Armstrong, my lead guitar player, is phenomenal.

02:27:15.000 He's just a machine.

02:27:18.000 George DeVore is a wonderful rock star in his own right here in this town.

02:27:22.000 And Kevin Remy plays drums.

02:27:24.000 Chris Johnson plays bass.

02:27:27.000 Matt Hubbard was playing.

02:27:28.000 I've known him for years.

02:27:29.000 He played with us for a while and he... Paul, stay there!

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02:30:45.000 Well, it's cold outside, it's cold outside, and the hardest part, and I can't take away and I can't take away the chill of the night of it.

02:31:11.000 And I've been pining on and on about how everything's wrong, as if to throw away everything I own.

02:31:24.000 The weather has changed again, but the city looks the same, Though I can't find the sun From the chill in the air Be that as it may I fall on better days Be that as it may I fall on better days

02:31:52.000 Nowhere is a place Where my head is in the same Every dream I've had, it just quietly slips.

02:32:06.000 Doesn't pay to blink, cause it's later than you think.

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02:33:04.000 It just goes on and on.

02:33:06.000 Paula, I really do owe a debt to you, your father, everybody, the courage that you had speaking out against the war early on, the poems.

02:33:14.000 Everything you and your family went through, because your dad really is a class act, you're a class act, and I just want to thank you for coming on and being part of this show, Paula.

02:33:23.000 Well, thank you so very much, and I'll come back anytime.

02:33:28.000 We've just got a few minutes left here together, and if it's okay, I'm going to play part of some of the other tracks throughout the rest of this week with your new album, Lucky 13.

02:33:38.000 Thank you so much.

02:33:43.000 Just getting back to you and your father, people just love, because they admire your father so much, to know behind the scenes stuff or about the type of person he is or stories.

02:33:57.000 To add to the great Willie Nelson lore, are there any stories that stick in your mind that you've told before or any other stories that are poignant or touching or interesting or funny that you've never told Paula?

02:34:09.000 Well, yeah, I mean, there's, like I said earlier, there's so many, you know.

02:34:13.000 One, seeing him in a Santa suit is hysterical when he was trying to be Santa, you know, when my sister didn't know yet.

02:34:21.000 So seeing him, and he got busted because he was wearing the same type of running socks that he always wore.

02:34:27.000 He always had the same kind, same brand.

02:34:29.000 And so my sister busted him and wouldn't talk to us for days.

02:34:33.000 Seeing him on a pair of skis is pretty funny because his whole face just freezes over.

02:34:39.000 He's just, you know, he's the funniest man alive.

02:34:43.000 He's always got a joke and always got a positive, optimistic attitude.

02:34:48.000 And he's very involved and aware and hip on a lot of stuff.

02:34:52.000 And he cares.

02:34:53.000 He genuinely cares, you know.

02:34:54.000 No, no, he is.

02:34:55.000 He's, quote, more hip than some 25-year-old in South Austin.

02:34:59.000 I agree.

02:35:00.000 I mean, for 75, it's just amazing.

02:35:03.000 And the times I've talked to him on the phone or in person, I mean, it's not an act.

02:35:07.000 It's genuine.

02:35:08.000 He's always saying funny things.

02:35:09.000 He's always trying to make you feel at ease.

02:35:11.000 He's just a classic Texan.

02:35:13.000 I tell you, they don't make him like that anymore, I don't think.

02:35:15.000 Yeah, well, you're totally right.

02:35:17.000 You know, I just, well, I love him.

02:35:18.000 He belongs to the world, but he's just, he's wonderful.

02:35:22.000 Well, he is your daddy, and Paula, in your own right.

02:35:25.000 I mean, it's like a blue slash, like, you know, country gold, or even before that, kind of like a Hank Williams mix, or I hear, I mean, what were the main influences on you?

02:35:36.000 Obviously your father, but female influences from a vocalist? 0.63

02:35:42.000 You know, early on it was Rita Coolidge and Jesse Coulter.

02:35:45.000 You know, they were my idols.

02:35:48.000 I would just look at them on stage and think, I just want to be them, you know?

02:35:52.000 Of course, then that same era, Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris, and then it moved on to Bonnie Raitt.

02:36:02.000 Uh, Janice Joplin, of course, uh, Winona Judd, you know, it just, the list goes on and there's so many here in Austin and, uh, out in the world that aren't on the radio that they're just fantastic, too.

02:36:14.000 So, you know, I just try and listen and get influence from, uh, everything I hear.

02:36:20.000 Well, there is an amazing music scene.

02:36:22.000 It's not hyped here in Austin.

02:36:23.000 Just so many great people.

02:36:26.000 And North Austin, Central Austin, South Austin.

02:36:29.000 I mean, seven days a week, you've got just scores of great choices.

02:36:33.000 Sometimes, do you want to get off the road or out of the studio and want to go hear some of that yourself?

02:36:39.000 I do.

02:36:40.000 You know, Clifford Antone from Antone's, we had shared the same birthday, and he was a really, really good friend of mine.

02:36:47.000 He was very, very instrumental.

02:36:49.000 Helping me out in this town.

02:36:50.000 He'd let me get up and sing any time I came down to uh... at Bantam and sing T-99U and taught me how to play the guitar that my dad bought me.

02:36:59.000 So many people loved him.

02:37:00.000 I mean, Jimmy Vaughn was really saddened when he just unexpectedly passed.

02:37:05.000 What was that, last year?

02:37:06.000 Yeah, well, coming up.

02:37:08.000 Yeah, it just, you know, it just devastated all of us.

02:37:11.000 It was just way too soon and he also was one of those people that did so much for so many people.

02:37:17.000 So he was a great influence in my life too.

02:37:20.000 Very, very missed.

02:37:21.000 Well, tell your father that I appreciate him coming on a second time, even after he got death threats.

02:37:27.000 And Paula, I want to commend you for all you've done in coming on and speaking out against the war.

02:37:31.000 Paula Nelson, the daughter of Willie Nelson, but in her own right an amazing musician and vocalist.

02:37:36.000 PaulaNelsonBand.com and check out their great MySpace.

02:37:39.000 There's a big link at the top of the site where you can go to her MySpace.

02:37:43.000 And I'm going to take you up on that offer of a beer some night at the Saxon.

02:37:49.000 I'll see you there, Paula, and God bless you.

02:37:51.000 You got it.

02:37:51.000 God bless you too, Alex.

02:37:53.000 Take care.

02:37:53.000 There goes Paulette Nelson.

02:37:56.000 And she told me that during the break. 0.99

02:37:58.000 I'm not going to get into too many more details about people threatening her dad, but again, that's these scumbag neocons. 0.97

02:38:04.000 Hey, they're talking about indicting John Yoo now. 0.99

02:38:06.000 You're not going to get away with destroying our country.

02:38:08.000 Or maybe they will.

02:38:09.000 You know, that's up to us to see.

02:38:11.000 Okay, he came on on very short notice, former Wall Street Journal editor.

02:38:15.000 He's got, of course, father of economics, head of policy at the Treasury under Reagan, and he has said in the last couple years here that, I keep saying, well, when's it going to implode, or will it be a slow slider, just from a bad recession?

02:38:29.000 And he says, I don't know, Alex, but all the signs are bad and getting worse with the people running things.

02:38:33.000 Trying to paraphrase here.

02:38:37.000 But this is all in a question for you, Dr. Roberts.

02:38:40.000 By the way, the second edition of his book is about to come out.

02:38:44.000 And then you keep saying it depends on if the dollar falls apart or keeps sliding.

02:38:49.000 And the other economists and forecasters and experts, we concur with what you're saying, that the key is keeping the dollar.

02:38:58.000 And now Greenspan has come out, and I have multiple mainstream news articles here, I'm sure you've already seen this, and he talked to, he found the actual quote here, he talked to a consortium of Arab leaders yesterday,

02:39:14.000 And he said that de-pegging their currencies from the dollar is probably the most useful thing that can be done to stop the increasing influence of foreign assets on the monetary system, and therefore, the monetary base and inflationary pressures.

02:39:29.000 And he went on to say that in the short term, the free floating will not fully dissipate inflationary pressure, although it will significantly do so, Greenspan added, giving a green light to the Gulf states to drop the dollar peg.

02:39:41.000 This is in a bunch of papers today.

02:39:44.000 Dr. Roberts, A, telling them to start dumping the dollar, won't that cause more inflation as the dollar drops more for us?

02:39:54.000 And why is he doing this?

02:39:56.000 I mean, can you explain that to me, sir?

02:39:58.000 Well, Alex, I might can.

02:39:59.000 I haven't seen these... I've been out running errands and haven't seen these releases.

02:40:04.000 Keep in mind, he's speaking to the oil producers about how to manage their own Inflation.

02:40:14.000 And when they're pegged to the dollar, they import ours. 0.90

02:40:19.000 And so what he's saying is to prevent the sharp rise in the home prices is to stop importing the American inflation.

02:40:29.000 And the way you do that is you break the peg.

02:40:36.000 So I think that's what he's telling them.

02:40:40.000 I don't know.

02:40:41.000 We don't import much from OPEC but oil, and that price seems to be fixed according to American inflation anyhow.

02:40:54.000 So I don't know that them breaking the peg would affect the oil price or have much direct Well, sir, I'm a novice, you know, compared to you, but I mean, just from my feeble understanding of this, and correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, I want the answers.

02:41:08.000 Now, again, I appreciate you joining us short notice.

02:41:11.000 If the dollar's already been devalued, they've already printed so much of it, and so that's causing the inflation or helping generate it, and then if the dollar goes down even more, and I would think that would happen if the Arabs start moving away from it, then won't that drive up our oil price because it'll be an even more devalued dollar? 0.80

02:41:29.000 Well, that's what I was trying to address.

02:41:31.000 I'm not sure there's a direct connection between their peg to the dollar and dollar inflation.

02:41:44.000 There is a direct connection between their peg to the dollar and their inflation, and I think that's what Greenspan was addressing.

02:41:55.000 I think it's right, and what you seem to be suspicious of is that the psychological effect of the oil producers removing a dollar peg could cause a lot of people to think it meant something it didn't because of the psychological effect, and it could further weaken the willingness of people around the world to hold dollar assets.

02:42:20.000 I think what will determine the The future of the dollar is the willingness of foreigners to continue to accumulate dollar investments.

02:42:35.000 And sometimes a weaker dollar makes them more willing because they say, look, we can buy IBM now 30% cheaper because the dollar's gone down and it's priced in dollars.

02:42:49.000 So the real question is, How many of our assets do they want to accumulate?

02:43:01.000 And if they decide they don't want to accumulate them at the same rates they have in the past, and Washington keeps turning out trade and budget deficits at the same growth rates, then the dollar is going to continue to sink.

02:43:19.000 And that's what the real issue is.

02:43:25.000 The Chinese peg to the dollar could have more effect because we import so much from China, far more than we import from OPEC.

02:43:38.000 As I've told you before on these shows, the manufacturing goods deficit of the United States is three times, four times the size of the I mean, obviously that's the big issue dragging us down from what you and others have said who are experts on this.

02:43:56.000 But again, just from a novice perspective, from what you've said and what other experts have said previously, it seems to be in unison that the creeping move away from the dollar overall is bad for the American economy.

02:44:08.000 Well, I don't know that it's against the interest of the United States.

02:44:11.000 whatever the case may be.

02:44:12.000 And so just from my perspective and from what others are saying, him coming out and telling them to remove their peg off the dollar to a basket, that that signals, again, a further exodus from the dollar and seems to be against the interest of the United States.

02:44:27.000 Well, I don't know that it's against the interest of the United States.

02:44:33.000 And Greenspan may be thinking that what we need is more discipline at home and it's hard to get discipline if the foreigners are willing to take up the slack. 1.00

02:44:45.000 So if we can just continually behave irresponsibly, running huge budget and trade deficits, and the rest of the world is going to finance them, we're never going to stop!

02:44:55.000 And so Greenspan may be thinking, and I don't know what he's thinking, but he may be thinking, look, if the rest of the world It could actually impose some discipline on the United States.

02:45:09.000 And if they did impose some discipline on us, it might be a good thing.

02:45:13.000 It might help keep the entire world monetary system from breaking down as a result of American irresponsibility.

02:45:23.000 Shifting gears, you wrote an article Who will end the American Empire and its neocon crazies before they end the world? 0.59

02:45:33.000 Give us your rundown of basically what you said in this great story you put out today.

02:45:37.000 Well, I was looking at the reaction of the American government to the demonstrations in Belgrade against the Kosovo independence and to the fact that the American embassy was damaged.

02:45:55.000 All the Americans got in the government, they got all upset and said, it's unpowerable!

02:46:00.000 It's unpowerable!

02:46:01.000 Our embassy's damaged!

02:46:03.000 Blah, blah, blah.

02:46:05.000 But these are the same people who didn't think it was unpowerable to give away a big chunk of Serbia, which is what the United States government did when it recognized the Kosovo separatist A declaration last week of independence.

02:46:23.000 They also blew up the Chinese embassy and tried to trick the president into being there for an interview.

02:46:29.000 I mean, that was clearly a setup right there.

02:46:32.000 Well, you mean back during the Clinton administration?

02:46:35.000 Yes.

02:46:36.000 Yeah, what I'm talking about is just the other day.

02:46:38.000 No, I mean now.

02:46:39.000 I mean, sure, Belgrade and what's happening, and Kosovo and Pristina.

02:46:42.000 No, no, certainly, I mean, NATO is handing over a portion of that country to the Muslims, and then how is Bush this anti-Muslim extremist when he's literally stealing about 20% of a sovereign nation?

02:46:57.000 Yeah, it's the historic part.

02:47:00.000 Also, Serbia that they fought the Turks over, you know, for several hundred years in the 14th and 15th century.

02:47:07.000 So, it's a very sore spot for the Serbs to wake up one morning and find out that the United States government has given away part of their country.

02:47:19.000 And I was astonished that the Secretary of State, our UN Ambassador, our former diplomat, I would think that they could just give away part of a country and the country wouldn't care, wouldn't notice it, or wouldn't get mad.

02:47:37.000 It just shows the mentality of the United States government that it is the sole arbiter of every country.

02:47:47.000 What is a country?

02:47:48.000 What part of it is theirs?

02:47:50.000 We decide that.

02:47:51.000 What part will we give to somebody?

02:47:53.000 We decide that.

02:47:54.000 This is a form of hubris and empire that the world has never seen before.

02:48:00.000 This is the most amazing thing.

02:48:02.000 And what is it all about?

02:48:04.000 I've been trying to find out.

02:48:05.000 It looks like there may be two things.

02:48:08.000 Apparently we have a massive military base in Kosovo.

02:48:13.000 And apparently it's something important to us in putting pressure on Russia.

02:48:18.000 You know, we're trying to start a war with Russia. 0.54

02:48:20.000 Stay there! 0.92

02:48:21.000 I want to just... We've got three minutes on the other side.

02:48:23.000 I want you to talk about that big picture.

02:48:25.000 That's where I was going next.

02:48:26.000 We have the Turks pouring into northern Iraq. 1.00

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02:48:36.000 We've got the Russians threatening to move nukes in and aim them at Ukraine.

02:48:41.000 We've got global destabilization.

02:48:42.000 I want to get your take on that, Dr. Roberts.

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02:52:11.000 Dr. Roberts is our guest.

02:52:13.000 Dr. Roberts, Before the break, I mentioned all this destabilization that's going on, and I agree with what you're saying.

02:52:21.000 It's like they're trying to start World War III.

02:52:23.000 Is this a failing forward, and is that why you're saying, we talked during the break, that go ahead and let the dollar collapse?

02:52:29.000 Maybe that's the only thing that will save us?

02:52:30.000 Or what are you saying?

02:52:32.000 Well, I've been worried about the dollar's collapse because of the effect on American people, but if you think about it, a dollar's collapse would deprive the United States of its war-making capability.

02:52:44.000 It wouldn't be able to go around attacking people as it does, you know, and all these attacks are based on lies and are not serving any American interest, and the attacks are getting more reckless.

02:52:57.000 Now we've decided that we, and we alone, can split up Serbia, an independent country. 0.85

02:53:05.000 We're putting tremendous pressure on Russia, wringing it with military bases. 0.79

02:53:11.000 We're always threatening them.

02:53:13.000 We're trying to break off other constituent parts of Russia by pouring money in there to buy local leaders and fund separatist movements.

02:53:25.000 I mean, imagine if somebody was pouring money into the 50 states here, creating separatist movements.

02:53:31.000 Washington would go, hey, but that's the way it treats the rest of the world. 0.99

02:53:34.000 That's what it's doing to the Russians. 0.87

02:53:37.000 They would like to be able to do that in China.

02:53:39.000 It's just that they hold us by the short hair. 0.92

02:53:44.000 Well, I think there's a method to the madness, but overall I think they do have hubris and are quite insane.

02:53:48.000 Do you agree?

02:53:50.000 I do. 1.00

02:53:51.000 They're insane and they're evil. 1.00

02:53:54.000 They have no moral conscience. 1.00

02:53:55.000 They have no sense of honor.

02:53:57.000 This administration There's no integrity.

02:54:00.000 As far as I can tell, no one with any integrity would serve in the Bush administration at any level.

02:54:06.000 Well, it does seem that globally and nationally, people's confidence in them is evaporating, so we'll see what happens.

02:54:13.000 I hope World War III doesn't break out in the near term.

02:54:16.000 Dr. Roberts, thank you for being so kind and gracious to spend so much time with us.

02:54:20.000 Thank you.

02:54:21.000 You're welcome.

02:54:22.000 Take care, Dr. Roberts.

02:54:23.000 That's it for the show.

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Alex Jones Show - February 26, 2008

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