Alex Jones Show - 20080421_Mon_Alex

00:00:00.000 We are finishing up with We Are Change Ireland, a peaceful group who's confronted members of Parliament, Bill Clinton, many others, about how they're selling out their sovereignty and about 9-11 being an inside job.

00:00:14.000 And I learned today that Last week it was in MSNBC, AP, BBC, headlines about how this wonderful sweet person who did nothing wrong was viciously attacked for no reason by a group of devilish hoodlums.

00:00:34.000 You can go to, if you're a PrisonPlanet.tv member, you can see this headline right now on the document cam, Anti-EU Gang Assaults Irish Member of Parliament, Member of European Parliament, and it says they attacked him, they chased him down, they stole his bag, they tackled him.

00:00:54.000 That's everything he did to them.

00:00:55.000 And I didn't even know there was a video of this out, but I predicted In the office, and in someone on air, though I didn't want to say it on air, I just said, I bet it's the other way around, that that's exactly what happened.

00:01:05.000 But they cannot have that.

00:01:06.000 They cannot have one of their people assaulting Irish citizens.

00:01:12.000 So, they have engaged in a huge lie.

00:01:16.000 Going back to Keith Bryan and others, Keith, you guys finish up with any other key points that need to be made here.

00:01:25.000 Alex, it's really important to note that if we can defeat this Lisbon Treaty, like, I mean, this is a huge blow to the globalist idea.

00:01:34.000 And not only that, like, we've made a documentary and used some endgame footage in it.

00:01:38.000 It's called End of Nations.

00:01:40.000 So if people kind of, like, pick that up, even if you're American or if you're in Europe or whatever, just watch that documentary and float the forms and tell everybody about it.

00:01:48.000 Because, like, this is the real deal.

00:01:50.000 And not only that, Alex, if this treaty is ratified, It will create a new European Union with new powers.

00:01:58.000 And not only that, the European Court of Justice can say what our rights are.

00:02:05.000 And I guess they can make, you know, they can assault you and then say that you've done it.

00:02:11.000 Well, Alex said in Article 52 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, which will be brought in every vote, yes, Article 52 says that it can be limited.

00:02:21.000 Our rights can be limited under a certain vague situation.

00:02:25.000 That's how you get to decide.

00:02:28.000 Well, that's just like the UN Declaration of Human Rights Article 29 and 30 say you have no rights.

00:02:34.000 So it's always the same M.O.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, except this one is just a bit longer and more vague.

00:02:39.000 Yes, well, gentlemen, I want to commend you both.

00:02:42.000 Give out the Irish website there as you fight the New World Order. 1.00

00:02:45.000 Yeah, it's wacireland.org, wiseupjournal.com and endofnations on Google Video.

00:02:53.000 Okay, be very slow about that.

00:02:55.000 We're going to put links up in the story, but people need to support you, you're under enemy attack, you have been chased down, assaulted, your bag stolen, and then all of it flipped around to, this poor man did nothing and these youths all beat him to a pulp and hurt him and cut him and stole the bag and the police did nothing!

00:03:13.000 And then you call up Rupert Murdoch's major paper, they call you and you go, okay, here's the police, we call the police, here's the video, and they're like, hmm, and then they go and they write an article saying the opposite.

00:03:24.000 I think you've got, seriously, you need to get lawyers, you need to start proceedings.

00:03:28.000 You have been slandered, sir.

00:03:29.000 Yeah, well we called for a retraction from the newspaper, we emailed the editor.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, we need BBC, we need, it was the Sunday Times, correct?

00:03:41.000 Did that one with the Sunday Times?

00:03:42.000 Yeah.

00:03:43.000 Yeah, well BBC, I mean I'm showing people the headline right now.

00:03:45.000 Anti-EU gang assaults Irish Member of Parliament.

00:03:50.000 It says Irish former minister was knocked to the ground after a public meeting in Dublin on Monday night according to Labour Party.

00:03:58.000 Later leader Said that the MEP was confronted by a group of men who screamed abuse at him and knocked him over and pinned him down.

00:04:07.000 Police confirmed that the attack which left Mr. Rosa bruised and shaken.

00:04:12.000 The Irish Republic is the only EU member state to have a public vote.

00:04:16.000 Oh, can't allow the other slaves to vote on the Libsyn Treaty on June 12. 1.00

00:04:22.000 Labour is campaigning for a yes vote on the referendum and has called for a calm and rational debate about the treaty.

00:04:29.000 EU leaders signed the document in Lisbon last year with the aim of making EU institutions more efficient, more efficient getting the rabble out of the way, now that the bloc has 27 member states. 0.69

00:04:43.000 In his statement, Mr Guillemot said a minority of people had tried to disrupt the meeting using ugly and intimidating tactics!

00:04:51.000 And a shouting abuse through a loud hailer.

00:04:55.000 I was greatly shocked by what happened to him.

00:04:58.000 He and a democratically elected representative must be free to walk the streets without threat of physical abuse.

00:05:06.000 He must be free to walk around and chase people down, growling and ripping bags off of them while foaming at the mouth.

00:05:13.000 I added that part.

00:05:14.000 Police took statements from the witnesses, but made no arrest.

00:05:18.000 Mr. De La Rosa is a well-known figure in the Irish Republic, having served as a cabinet minister in the 1990s and as a member of parliament since 1999.

00:05:29.000 He was unavailable for comment.

00:05:32.000 Oh yeah, I had it on camera as well, when Mr. The Ruffer came over, the first thing he said to the police was, they filmed me without my permission.

00:05:41.000 That's the first thing he said, of the reason why it happened.

00:05:44.000 Well, he's a public figure, he's a public figure, he's not in a private place, he has no reasonable expectation of privacy.

00:05:54.000 That's what they do when they cram cameras all over our cities watching us!

00:05:58.000 You use that right back on him! 0.99

00:06:00.000 And then he held up his finger, it reminded me of like a little fighter, old boy, he held up his finger which he scraped when he fell.

00:06:08.000 He held up his scraped finger to the police.

00:06:10.000 He said, I hurt myself.

00:06:14.000 I remember bullies that would come up and start fights with me and then when they were getting put on the ambulance, they'd be trying to fill out reports that I assaulted them.

00:06:21.000 But there were always witnesses.

00:06:24.000 Again, they want to come up to you, they want to attack you, and then when they fall down in their frothing fit, they get mad at you.

00:06:30.000 Go ahead.

00:06:32.000 Yeah, thank God he didn't grab a hold of me.

00:06:35.000 It could have been a lot worse.

00:06:37.000 I wouldn't like that.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, so I keep wanting to make a point.

00:06:43.000 Hey Alex, it's important to know, you know, he come over with a little bit of blood coming out of his finger.

00:06:48.000 Oh no!

00:06:49.000 Oh no!

00:06:53.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:06:54.000 But in the paper, one of the party TDs, they're basically just members of Irish Parliament, said that he had blood on his hands as if to make it worse than what it was.

00:07:06.000 Oh my God!

00:07:08.000 You know, what's this country coming to when a Member of Parliament can't assault some young men?

00:07:12.000 It's unbelievable!

00:07:15.000 They ran from him!

00:07:16.000 They should have knelt down to a Lord and allowed him to stomp them in the heads so we could arrest them for assaulting him. 0.99

00:07:23.000 Yeah, but, you know, it's just basically over here all the forms are full of that we attacked and we were the perpetrators and we're scum and we're... Oh my God, it's deadly! 0.98

00:07:35.000 It's a deadly, vicious attack on a member of the Parliament! 0.95

00:07:39.000 A member of the European Parliament!

00:07:41.000 Arrest these names immediately!

00:07:43.000 But notice the police couldn't arrest you because nothing happened because it's staged.

00:07:48.000 Absolute injustice.

00:07:49.000 Get your websites out again slowly.

00:07:52.000 Alex, it's W-A-C-I-R-L-A-N-D dot O-R-G. 1.00

00:07:56.000 That's the website of these outrageous criminals!

00:08:00.000 And WiseUpJournal dot com.

00:08:02.000 And if you want to Google search End of Nations Documentary, you will find out that we kind of explain things much better.

00:08:10.000 And the MEPs, the actually good representatives that represent the people, they come out and they detail the personal stories of the European Union and the corruption that's inside it.

00:08:21.000 All right, men, good job.

00:08:23.000 I'm very sorry that I got on this a week late.

00:08:26.000 This is just unbelievably outrageous, but that's why the mainstream media is losing all credibility.

00:08:31.000 That's why the governments are losing all credibility, and I am very upset about this.

00:08:36.000 There is a story up on PrisonPlanet.com that Watson has done covering this.

00:08:41.000 I'm asking leaders to get this out everywhere.

00:08:43.000 Media labels activist questions as gang assault on politicians.

00:08:47.000 Thank you for coming on, men.

00:08:50.000 Alex, thank you so much.

00:08:51.000 take care about now now tell what is some right now i have memo changes headline is a good story but that to to to to member of parliament artist refresh he did do it okay he did change that line good m_e_p_ assaults activist media reports opposite in giant smear attempt about that Red-handed! 0.51

00:09:15.000 This is a key weapon against the Times of London.

00:09:18.000 The Sunday Times.

00:09:19.000 A key weapon against the BBC.

00:09:21.000 Just like when we caught them reporting how Building 7 fell 25 minutes before it fell, giving the exact story of how it then did fall.

00:09:28.000 A little false scripting.

00:09:31.000 No amount of BBC building seven movies will reprieve you enemy operatives.

00:09:36.000 Nothing will save you from your criminal activity!

00:09:39.000 And I'm telling you right now, this is criminal!

00:09:43.000 To knowingly lie about these men, to knowingly lie and slander good men who are doing nothing more than defending their countries!

00:09:56.000 See, I'm normal, folks.

00:09:58.000 You yell and scream about football and baseball when your team loses or wins.

00:10:02.000 I get mad about tyranny because my life's on the line in this.

00:10:05.000 This isn't a joke or a game for me.

00:10:07.000 This is tyranny!

00:10:12.000 I know we've got callers who've been holding, I know they're holding on both networks, on my board, and they're holding on the network board, and we're going to take your calls.

00:10:19.000 I will tell you, we've got somebody coming on about Raeed Hamad, who I think was murdered.

00:10:24.000 We'll see if people around him are scared, what they're willing to say.

00:10:27.000 That's coming up in one hour.

00:10:29.000 I apologize to George Butler, who I invited in, and he's had to sit here for ten minutes while I'm ranting and freaking out.

00:10:35.000 But George, I mean, does this get you mad?

00:10:38.000 Yes, it does.

00:10:39.000 It gets me damn mad.

00:10:40.000 I mean, I'm sorry to use that word, you know, because usually I refrain from that kind of language.

00:10:45.000 But gosh, I have to use pretty strong language because, you know, you've trailblazed on many of these issues and your energy is what's carrying this fight forward.

00:10:56.000 It really is.

00:10:58.000 Well, it's all I can think about now.

00:11:00.000 I can't do anything but this now.

00:11:01.000 It's all I think about because I know we're coming down to the water, George.

00:11:04.000 It's because you seek the truth, Alex.

00:11:07.000 You really do.

00:11:08.000 And your world view is excellent in that area.

00:11:11.000 It really is.

00:11:11.000 It's a good one.

00:11:12.000 It's right on.

00:11:13.000 George, I'm probably going to have you sit in in the near future.

00:11:15.000 I've got Burmess later this week sitting in, because I am working on some projects.

00:11:19.000 I'm going to be out of town some, and you're a great talk show host in your own right with a weekend show here on the network.

00:11:25.000 But before I go any further, I know you don't like talking about yourself, George, but you've done a lot of cool stuff, fighting the commies in Germany, and then you were in listening stations with the NSA in Libya.

00:11:38.000 Interesting background, and then your research is in a lot of the same areas and the great guests you get on, like the Tibetan folks.

00:11:44.000 You just have a great show, and so I'm honored to have you as a friend.

00:11:47.000 It's great to have you here in Austin, you and Bob Dacey and Tex Mars and so many other great folks that live in Central Texas, like Robert Galen Ross.

00:11:55.000 But I want to really introduce you to my audience, who may not know who you are and your website.

00:11:59.000 Spend a few minutes talking about yourself, then we're going to get into some of the news items and take some phone calls.

00:12:04.000 Yes, on Genesis Communication Network, we have a show called The Secret Truth at thesecrettruth.com, along with co-host Charlotte Littlefield-Brown.

00:12:13.000 And as far as my background goes, I'm a lifetime citizen of Austin, was in the ASA, Army Security Agency, in Europe for three years, spent my last year in Berlin, West Berlin, and saw a lot of very ugly things happen there.

00:12:26.000 I was 22 years old when I got out of the ASA, so I was pretty well educated in a certain narrow area of communication security and intelligence.

00:12:35.000 And we saw a lot of tyranny there, and this is probably what's motivated me to continue this fight and to try to reveal the truth about this big mind war system that we're all susceptible to.

00:12:47.000 Mind war.

00:12:48.000 That's what it is.

00:12:49.000 That's what the Germans called it.

00:12:50.000 You know my parents just got back from southern Germany visiting some family that lives over there in the military and they brought me that famous photo I'd seen before right when they'd put up the barbed wire a few months after and a German family got through but the toddler got caught in the barbed wire and the East German soldier opens the barbed wire and picks him up and lets him through.

00:13:09.000 Have you ever seen that famous photo?

00:13:11.000 Yes I have, I have.

00:13:12.000 No, they gave me a big one.

00:13:13.000 I've got it hanging on my office wall now.

00:13:14.000 In fact, I think I'm going to hang it in here so people can think about it.

00:13:17.000 You know, they took him, tortured him, killed him, he disappeared.

00:13:20.000 But the fact is, people have got that choice to ask themselves now.

00:13:24.000 I mean, they would just machine gun you.

00:13:25.000 Tell folks about that wall.

00:13:27.000 That wall was something else.

00:13:30.000 There was a lookout point at Bernauerstrasse when I was there in 1965.

00:13:35.000 And on one side of the street were buildings that had been cemented up, both the doorways and windows.

00:13:41.000 And across the top of the roofs was barbed wire.

00:13:44.000 And that actually was the wall.

00:13:45.000 The front of these buildings on one side of the street was the actual wall, which they tore down later to put in a stronger, more impenetrable type of structure, which they designed later, many years later.

00:13:57.000 But at that time it was a very, very hideous looking wall.

00:14:00.000 It was the buildings that had been cemented up across the street.

00:14:03.000 And we would go downtown at the Kudom, the Kapersendom in West Berlin, for drinking and going out on the night, the nightclubs and so forth.

00:14:14.000 And you could hear at night machine gun fire from that close.

00:14:18.000 It was pretty close to the wall the downtown area was.

00:14:20.000 You could hear machine gun fire and see trip flares go off at night.

00:14:23.000 As they were shooting people.

00:14:26.000 They were shooting people trying to get out to freedom.

00:14:28.000 And this tyranny is something else.

00:14:30.000 And now they're turning America into one giant wall and in Ireland it's the same everywhere. 0.95

00:14:36.000 Yes, it's a scientific dictatorship.

00:14:39.000 I think there were a couple of Collins brothers that wrote a book back a few years ago, and I think you've interviewed them, and they call it a scientific dictatorship, and they have really done this in very depth, and their expertise about how to control people through ideas and systems of thought is hideous.

00:14:57.000 And now in Canada, if they catch you without a fare, the police confirm a day that the punishment is being tasered for the poor people that don't have money.

00:15:05.000 It's like seven bucks to use the subway.

00:15:08.000 When you're caught sneaking on it without paying, your punishment now is to be tasered.

00:15:13.000 I mean, see how they're just announcing more and more?

00:15:15.000 When I was in London in 2006, it was like a maze, running through a maze through the underground and so forth, and they had everything thought out where you would get clipped going in and get clipped coming out.

00:15:26.000 They had it all down to money, and they were milking everyone for as much as they could in that city, much less the country.

00:15:33.000 They had it scientifically set up over there.

00:15:35.000 And what I saw that really impressed me was sitting there with a group of ladies at Buckingham Palace there, getting ready for the tour, is that the riches that they were putting on display so excited the women, especially the women because of all those gowns and all those different awards given to the Queen, that it just, you know, what it does is appeals to the worst things in us.

00:15:59.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:16:00.000 That stuff means nothing to me.

00:16:01.000 Yes, exactly.

00:16:02.000 I want to go camp up on the side of a mountain and see the stars.

00:16:05.000 We can only have one God before us, or we can only worship one thing, either God or mammon, and we've gotten into a big, gigantic, worldwide mammon worship system of wealth.

00:16:05.000 That's diamonds.

00:16:16.000 I hate mammon.

00:16:18.000 I don't even like the things I've got.

00:16:19.000 They're a hassle.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, you know, Wall Street a number of years ago came out with an investment kit for children.

00:16:28.000 So they want to recruit people into that usury money making system from a young age, 10 or 12 years old, I think, that this particular kit was designed for.

00:16:37.000 So get them into the investment deal, collect interest, get that usury going and so forth.

00:16:42.000 And so it's a mind system that's actually been built around a money system of usury taking and paying.

00:16:52.000 It's just amazing.

00:16:54.000 How much has America changed since you were back in the military back in the 50s, 60s?

00:16:59.000 When I was here growing up in South Austin, that's where I grew up and went to school here, it was a much more moral society.

00:17:08.000 Drug use was frowned on by the peers. 0.98

00:17:12.000 Anyone that was a drug user was a really scum, just a low-life, and that's the way we looked at them. 0.96

00:17:19.000 Coming into the beginnings of the Vietnam War and so forth, there was a liberalization, you know... Which we now know is the CIA, which they package as counterculture. 0.98

00:17:28.000 Stay there, George Butler.

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00:21:29.000 George Butler, what do you want to get into first in the time we've got here?

00:21:33.000 Well, when you were talking about the New World Order and all that, a name seemed to pop up in my head, and that name would be Kurt Lewin, L-E-W-I-N.

00:21:45.000 And what he was, he was a German-born psychologist and sociologist that founded an idea of a force-field theory.

00:21:52.000 And he actually was pioneering in this in the mid-1940s, 1947 actually is when he died.

00:21:59.000 But he came through England and did some work with the Tavistock Institute and then came over to America.

00:22:06.000 He got into group dynamics and things like that, but also this field theory is all important for us to begin to try to understand what we're caught up in.

00:22:14.000 We're surrounded by electromagnetic radiation, and streams of light, you could say, are ideas, and they become implanted in us.

00:22:21.000 They're streamed to us.

00:22:22.000 Now, this is what the elite actually believe.

00:22:24.000 Yes, they do this.

00:22:25.000 It's the group consciousness, and they've done tests where they'll have monkeys ten miles away from another group of monkeys, and when they teach the other monkeys how to do something, suddenly the others learn.

00:22:35.000 Yes, that's called quantum entanglement, in fact.

00:22:37.000 That's an idea or a dynamic where you have instantaneous communication between those two.

00:22:44.000 Yes, it's the hundred monkey.

00:22:46.000 Same thing of like you're in the woods and you know somebody's watching you and you go over the hill and there they are.

00:22:50.000 It's the sixth sense.

00:22:50.000 Yes.

00:22:51.000 But this is what they believe government documents.

00:22:53.000 Even if you don't believe it, listeners, they believe it.

00:22:55.000 Just like the crazy rulers of the world, John Ronson's new TV show, you know, has all these top generals, the head of Fort Bragg, Yes.

00:23:07.000 Much of this is in the head.

00:23:09.000 The ideas are used and planted and streamed into us and then manipulated from media sources and things like that.

00:23:16.000 It's a great mind-wash, mind-game, mind-battle.

00:23:19.000 Well, let's get into the authoritarian personality, too.

00:23:21.000 Go ahead.

00:23:22.000 You got the floor.

00:23:23.000 The authoritarian personality type, the Frankfurt School, was a school founded by Neo-Marxists in Frankfurt, Germany in the 30s.

00:23:32.000 And there were some of the greatest minds at the time.

00:23:36.000 And in their studies and so forth, one of the ideas they came up with was what they called the authoritarian personality type.

00:23:42.000 And they used this, and from that was parlayed what they call the F-factor.

00:23:47.000 And the F-factor had to do with fascism.

00:23:49.000 And that's what makes it interesting in a way, because these people are backed, in a way, by the very fascists that are running the world themselves.

00:23:56.000 So they're running both sides.

00:23:58.000 Yeah, communism and fascism.

00:23:59.000 It's black uniforms, secret arrests, FEMA camps.

00:24:02.000 They only give us a false choice of fascism or communism.

00:24:05.000 Yes, what came out of this, the group that came out of this was a very libertine, very liberal type of thinking that penetrated our universities with some very libertine thoughts, and in fact it's sexual, a liberation of sexuality and so forth was something that really permeated our universities.

00:24:23.000 But they said only to do that, to pacify the public, so they're busy playing and partying.

00:24:27.000 We have documents in the 60s in the U.S.

00:24:29.000 saying, we're going to have a drug culture from 61, and then they drove around with the government buses with the LSD.

00:24:34.000 Yes, what feels good, do it.

00:24:36.000 Ken Kesey had a bus, and he was driving it all over.

00:24:40.000 It was painted with flowers and everything on it, and he had LSD being distributed from that bus all over America.

00:24:47.000 Drop acid, drop out.

00:24:49.000 Of course, that was Timothy Leary's... Turned out it was FBI.

00:24:52.000 But that was a very similar type of thinking.

00:24:55.000 Do your own thing, take a little acid, go on a trip.

00:24:58.000 By the way, in the 50's, the owners of Timelapse Books, they were all having LSD parties.

00:25:02.000 So the point is, you think you're rebelling against them using this stuff.

00:25:02.000 Yes.

00:25:06.000 The point is, they credit it all, they run it all.

00:25:08.000 George Butler... Yes, they did.

00:25:09.000 Stay there.

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00:27:19.000 We have someone who worked with the individual who died mysteriously last week, Rayad.

00:27:31.000 Hamad, and it turns out George Butler, an Austinite since birth, even though some of the teachers at the school where he was a teacher, he was bound, gagged, clearly drowned, the evidence clearly murdered, but the police are saying that, oh no, they said it's quite, I have their press release, it's very normal to have someone bound when they kill themselves.

00:27:50.000 So, we're going to be talking to that gentleman coming up in about 30 minutes.

00:27:52.000 We've got a guest who works with him coming on the show.

00:27:57.000 George Butler, though, we were getting into just one of their mind control programs and what they really believe, going back almost 100 years ago.

00:28:06.000 Please continue, George.

00:28:08.000 Well, we were talking about the Frankfurt School there and the authoritarian personality type, but it is a mind-washed system that conveys into us certain ideas, and then those ideas are manipulated and changed and reformed and massaged within our minds.

00:28:26.000 We take up this collection of ideas, which I call streams of light, and that forms our worldview.

00:28:32.000 Having a worldview is a way to control us.

00:28:36.000 And so we actually become obsessed with extreme worldviews in some cases, and then we fight each other from the left and the right.

00:28:43.000 Which is again a control paradigm.

00:28:45.000 Yes, exactly.

00:28:46.000 So it's hard to see because we're caught up in the field, in the system of thought that we cannot see.

00:28:54.000 So it's hard for us to see what we're being addicted to and the ideas that we become compulsively addicted to.

00:29:00.000 It's hard to conceptualize it because it's not visual.

00:29:03.000 Yes, and it's hard.

00:29:04.000 The only way you can try to do it is try to stand outside your mind and look back at your thoughts as they're They're flowing through your mind on a real-time basis.

00:29:12.000 You've got to get outside the box and analyze.

00:29:14.000 Yes, yes, and objectively, and that's hard to do.

00:29:17.000 So another self, and I always call it the real self, has to try to nurture itself back to health.

00:29:23.000 It's been wounded from childhood.

00:29:24.000 See, that's an interesting way you describe it.

00:29:26.000 I instinctively had this thought when I was three years old.

00:29:29.000 I'm on the back porch playing, it's a sunny day, the sprinklers spraying, it's like a rainbow, it's beautiful.

00:29:34.000 And I have this understanding that the world was not me, that I was on an island, no man is an island, and that I had had imaginary games and imaginary friends and played make-believe, and I realized that make-believe wasn't real at that time, and that there was a whole world outside of me, and that I was a tiny island.

00:29:50.000 I think most people don't consciously think about death, because they seem to see the stream of human society, civilization, and almost think like that is theirs.

00:29:58.000 No, that is the species.

00:30:00.000 Just to extrapolate these ideas that I have, realizing that literally the world is what is outside of me, not what is in me.

00:30:08.000 It is the opposite of what the New Agers teach and everybody else. 1.00

00:30:12.000 And so then you are truly alive when you do realize that there's the rest of the world and that you are interconnected to it.

00:30:18.000 But most adults I see all have their own little costumes, whatever clique they're a part of, whatever group they're a part of, and they all play to that.

00:30:25.000 And they're all in little imaginary worlds about what position they're in.

00:30:29.000 That's why we're into uniforms, signets, class, all of these things.

00:30:34.000 Go ahead.

00:30:35.000 Yeah, there was a study that came out of the Stanford Research Institute in the 70s, early 70s, and it was entitled Changing Images of Man.

00:30:44.000 They went back over 250,000 years to the present and started doing an assessment of the images of man during those eras.

00:30:53.000 And what they're trying to do in today's world is they're trying to take us back to a very subjective view, just exactly what you said a few moments ago.

00:31:01.000 And in that subjective view they can control that through the outside media.

00:31:05.000 But you will give up an objective view of the outside world and take on these inner notions, but without proof.

00:31:12.000 And that's why they have these games that hundreds of millions play, where it's imaginary worlds.

00:31:16.000 It's virtual, yes.

00:31:17.000 It's like a virtual prison that they're building, that we're building for ourselves.

00:31:21.000 It's an insertion into the matrix.

00:31:22.000 Yes, exactly.

00:31:23.000 Exactly, Alan.

00:31:25.000 George, stay there.

00:31:26.000 We're going to be right back with George Butler, continue discussing this breakdown, a lot of it.

00:31:30.000 And then we're going to interview a gentleman who knows a Palestinian man who we believe was murdered right here in Austin, Texas and thrown in the river.

00:31:38.000 But part of their brainwashing, they tell us it's a lake.

00:31:41.000 He was thrown in the Colorado River, now known as the Lady Bird Imperium.

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00:35:11.000 I like your info and your perspective.

00:35:13.000 You'll be guest host in the next month or so.

00:35:15.000 You'll do it.

00:35:17.000 But you've been saying a lot about this gentleman who the evidence shows was killed.

00:35:24.000 I mean, the APD immediately puts out this propaganda that he killed himself.

00:35:29.000 Oh, he was loosely bound.

00:35:30.000 This is just kind of like when they killed Gary Webb, shot him twice in the head.

00:35:35.000 Yeah, it says here, this is the actual quotation out there, when the body was removed from the lake, tape was found around the eyes and the hands and legs were loosely bound.

00:35:46.000 The bindings of his hands and legs and placement of the tape were consistent with Hamad having done this to himself.

00:35:52.000 So they were floating the idea on the 16th, Wednesday on the 16th at 2pm, of suicide.

00:35:58.000 And there's no way that you can get suicide out of this statement in any way.

00:36:02.000 Yeah, they say it right there in the police statement.

00:36:04.000 There's just no end to these people.

00:36:07.000 And it's the same MO, and I read the paper Friday on air, and it said that his family said he had been upset about the FBI coming and grabbing all the school books he mailed to Palestine and spying on him and detaining him.

00:36:25.000 And then they spun that to mean, oh, he did commit suicide.

00:36:28.000 It was the same thing with Gary Webb.

00:36:30.000 You know, he had seen people in his house climbing out the back window.

00:36:33.000 Then he moved.

00:36:34.000 He said he was getting threatened.

00:36:35.000 We had his friends on that said that.

00:36:37.000 Then they shot him and blew his jaw off. 0.97

00:36:39.000 Shot him in the back of the head. 0.77

00:36:40.000 The guy that exposed the CIA drug dealing. 0.99

00:36:42.000 Pulled a surprise winner.

00:36:43.000 He had a new book coming out proving everything he'd said.

00:36:46.000 Vindicating him.

00:36:47.000 And they had a hit out on him and went and killed him like so many others.

00:36:51.000 And the police said, oh, I'll never forget.

00:36:53.000 It's quite normal to shoot yourself twice in the head, George.

00:36:57.000 Yeah, some of the language in this communique from the APD said something like this, information was provided to the missing persons unit by persons close to Hamad, this is what suspects, persons close to Hamad, who are they?

00:37:12.000 Tell us who they are, okay?

00:37:14.000 That he had been experiencing suicidal thoughts.

00:37:17.000 Then later on in the next paragraph they talk about this loosely bound, and put this thing about.

00:37:22.000 But then two days later when the statesman talked to the family they just said no, he'd been upset.

00:37:26.000 We need to talk to the family.

00:37:28.000 Also, they will threaten families and get the family to go along.

00:37:31.000 Go ahead.

00:37:33.000 It's like Bobby Kennedy's son won't talk about his dad's murder even though it's now admitted.

00:37:37.000 Yeah, they floated this just to get the idea out to the public that he committed suicide.

00:37:43.000 There's no evidence there that that existed, that he did.

00:37:46.000 Now you've talked to teachers that knew him.

00:37:47.000 Yes, a friend of mine came and sat down with me soon after this, on about Thursday sometime, and I think it was after they had disclosed to the teachers that Hamad had died.

00:38:01.000 And they were, the kids were all upset at the school, Clint's small school, middle school, and also the teachers were mad as hell because this man was very well loved by many of the teachers in the Austin Independent School District.

00:38:13.000 They knew him and had worked with him for several years and they admired this man.

00:38:17.000 By the way, the special guest we've got, are we calling him from our end or the network end?

00:38:22.000 Has that been flushed out?

00:38:23.000 We better find out.

00:38:24.000 That guest is on in about 15 minutes.

00:38:26.000 So let's find out if we're going to call from here in Austin or the network is going to call.

00:38:31.000 Alright, let's shift gears back into what you were covering and we'll recap this and have the guest on in about 20 minutes.

00:38:36.000 Okay, we're picking up on the overall scheme of things is a system and they use systems of thought that they impregnate us with and then those things are manipulated from media and upsetting very things like this GM food and the avian flu epidemics.

00:38:57.000 They continue to keep us upset and in that upsetness then they can change our views and we begin to reach different conclusions.

00:39:06.000 I call it a spell.

00:39:07.000 and different worldviews, and that's how they're manipulating and forming us into something that they want that is way, way from our real self.

00:39:14.000 It's a false self that's actually being fed by these false, and they're not totally false.

00:39:21.000 There is truth on some of these ideas.

00:39:22.000 I call it a spell.

00:39:23.000 They're mesmerized with a false map made for the mind where it's like play-along.

00:39:28.000 I mean, that's what all the terror drills and martial law drills and randomly pulling you over because there's terrorists.

00:39:35.000 I mean, it's all about the illusion and the drills are all about feeding into the hysteria.

00:39:40.000 Some of the universities in England and Great Britain are dedicated to cognitive dissonance and cognitive psychology, I should say.

00:39:49.000 And on the West Coast, later on, after Lewin had come in and started establishing his work and his career, the West Coast began to be a cauldron of exactly what you're saying, a subjectivism, an occultism.

00:40:04.000 Aldous Huxley comes over and starts building ISIS cults on the West Coast.

00:40:09.000 And it's all of these things that take us away from being able to discern and establish truth.

00:40:15.000 And they're all cold-blooded rationalists, but they destroy the old religious orders and bring in new ones to control us. 0.99

00:40:21.000 Yes, they believe in nothing.

00:40:24.000 But themselves as being Olympian gods, you could say, they describe themselves as Olympians among some of the closer circles, the upper circles.

00:40:32.000 And the Great White Brotherhood on Mount Olympus, and they argue that, well, they're in control, that means they deserve to be in control. 0.95

00:40:39.000 Well, I argue they're a cancer. 0.84

00:40:41.000 Just because a cancer kills the host doesn't mean it's elite.

00:40:44.000 It means it's malfunctioning.

00:40:45.000 Yes, I think Eustace Mullins used the word parasites, I think, in some of his writings.

00:40:50.000 And they're sucking the blood out of us and the very livelihood through interest in other things. 0.94

00:40:55.000 But not just our money, they're sucking... Madison Avenue at a basic level admits they want to make you feel inadequate to then sell women $100 cream packages that cost $5 to make.

00:41:05.000 You know, it's all to make you feel inadequate. 0.97

00:41:07.000 Oh, like you're not safe.

00:41:08.000 Give up your freedoms.

00:41:10.000 You're not pretty. 0.92

00:41:10.000 You've got to have plastic surgery. 0.92

00:41:12.000 Meanwhile, they're missing out on what life's really all about.

00:41:14.000 Exploration.

00:41:15.000 Exploring.

00:41:16.000 Love.

00:41:16.000 Passion.

00:41:17.000 Creativity.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, at one time, that's a very important point, Alex, is that behavioral psychology, the School of Behavioral Psychology, came out of Chicago and Johns Hopkins, and then it moved very quickly to Madison Avenue to put together some of the largest advertising agencies in the world.

00:41:36.000 They used to want to just modify our behavior, but what they've done now is they've reinvented and put into us identities that we don't really want, if we knew what those identities really would spell.

00:41:47.000 Let's see, I see what identities are.

00:41:49.000 I see that they're like a suit of clothes.

00:41:50.000 Yes, yes.

00:41:51.000 And I see other people.

00:41:52.000 It's just like when you see a four-year-old playing with an imaginary character.

00:41:57.000 I see adults, and I just instinctively learned this, not reading their own documents.

00:42:00.000 I later did.

00:42:01.000 Most people are playland.

00:42:03.000 Yes.

00:42:03.000 They're playing the big radio executive that runs a network, a patriot network.

00:42:08.000 They are playing, you know, the beautiful woman, the seductress. 0.99

00:42:12.000 They are, I mean, and that's what police always talk about, our role.

00:42:16.000 Roles, roles, government roles.

00:42:18.000 And that's why they're so into drills.

00:42:20.000 And they don't realize that they're literally under mind control.

00:42:22.000 Yes, they are.

00:42:23.000 There's a story that Judith Barr says about the emperor with no clothes.

00:42:28.000 Well, there's a little kid down there that accompanied his parents to watching the emperor parade down the street with no clothes.

00:42:34.000 Well, he says to his parents, Mommy, Daddy, the emperor has no clothes. 0.99

00:42:38.000 They say, shut up, shut up, kid. 0.99

00:42:39.000 When they got back home, they ignored it totally. 0.98

00:42:42.000 Meaning that from inception, from our birth, we're seeded in some of the stuff that our parents are subjected to also.

00:42:50.000 They have not escaped out of it, but they don't know any better by seeding the same system into us.

00:42:54.000 That's right.

00:42:55.000 Even if you don't watch television, the mass programming has a feedback loop.

00:42:59.000 Yes, yes.

00:43:00.000 And that interacting with others, we have to pick it up.

00:43:02.000 Yeah, and it's a synergy.

00:43:04.000 I call it social synergy.

00:43:05.000 And this social synergy becomes all overpowering.

00:43:09.000 One influence alone by itself would not maybe make us do a certain action.

00:43:14.000 There's thousands of brands of propaganda.

00:43:16.000 Buffet of lies.

00:43:17.000 And those collectively together overpower us and control us.

00:43:21.000 It's a potion.

00:43:22.000 Yes, it's a sorcery potion.

00:43:24.000 That's what it is.

00:43:25.000 And again, they don't believe in the bubbly bubbly.

00:43:27.000 Those are analogies for us to subconsciously understand.

00:43:30.000 A pinch of this, a pinch of that.

00:43:32.000 Yes, yes.

00:43:33.000 It's a witch's brew.

00:43:35.000 It's witchcraft. 0.93

00:43:35.000 It's sorcery. 0.93

00:43:36.000 It's a mind control.

00:43:38.000 That's what sorcery was.

00:43:41.000 Yes.

00:43:42.000 It's an alchemy of the spirit, but they want to give us the spirit that they want us to have.

00:43:50.000 To take us away from our real self and concoct and make a virtual false self.

00:43:56.000 Well that's because if we're petty and weak and corrupt and groveling then we are so insecure and so afraid we can't ever stand up and get above it at the heights of goodness and just feel the crisp power of it all instead of being down on this level.

00:44:15.000 They love isolating us in that because when we do break out of that it totally defeats them.

00:44:20.000 Yes, if we continue to hate one another, and even hate these people, we'll never get out of it.

00:44:25.000 We have to forgive, and through that forgiveness we awaken, and we can stand outside and look objectively at our state.

00:44:31.000 And I agree with that, but what I do, George, subconsciously is, I never did it on purpose, is that I use anger, which short-circuits people they've programmed enough, because they've used anger, to let them wake up, kind of like a blip in the TV screen, so they're angry, so for a minute they see reality, so then they can get out of it.

00:44:49.000 Yes.

00:44:49.000 I'm not mad when I'm not on air.

00:44:50.000 I get mad when I have to focus on this fully.

00:44:53.000 Yes, you have such an insight and it can be to an extent that you get frustrated at times because you want so badly to tell people what's really going on.

00:45:03.000 You want to show them!

00:45:03.000 Yes, yes, but people are people and they're not like a light bulb you turn on and off and it takes a long time to work For them to awaken.

00:45:12.000 They're under this influence that's synergistically, addictively, compulsively binding them to a false self that they little see.

00:45:21.000 They don't see it.

00:45:22.000 George, what is the establishment going to do as their sorcery, and it literally is a spell.

00:45:28.000 It is a spell, yes it is.

00:45:29.000 We're mesmerized.

00:45:30.000 I mean the TV screen flickering.

00:45:32.000 Yes it does.

00:45:32.000 What are they going to do as that spell evaporates, which is now happening?

00:45:36.000 Yes, you're on the forefront of helping that occur, you know.

00:45:42.000 It depends.

00:45:44.000 The world is communicating to a greater extent than it ever has.

00:45:49.000 Individuals worldwide are communicating through the Internet, and this has been a God-sent type of technology.

00:45:57.000 And in doing that, what I always say is that as men, as the communication level increases, then truth is more easily discernible.

00:46:07.000 With keeping us not, you know, isolated from one another.

00:46:11.000 Here's an example.

00:46:12.000 Ten years ago, even five years ago, YouTube wasn't big, or other ones, we wouldn't see the We Are Change Ireland video of the Member of Parliament assaulting them, and then the Times of London would have gotten away with the lie.

00:46:26.000 Yes, exactly.

00:46:27.000 They could hide behind the curtain, the veil.

00:46:30.000 But now it's harder to do that.

00:46:32.000 And if more of you will take your daggers and slice holes in the veil, more sunlight is going to come in.

00:46:37.000 Yes, God's light will reach us.

00:46:40.000 Pull out those daggers! 0.99

00:46:42.000 Well, I've got mine on me!

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00:50:58.000 George Butler is our guest.

00:51:00.000 Hey, George, fire out your website for folks that don't know what it is.

00:51:03.000 Oh, okay.

00:51:04.000 It would be thesecrettruth.com, and that's a GCN production.

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00:51:10.000 So, thesecrettruth.com.

00:51:11.000 That's a great...

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00:51:18.000 George continuing, and we've got a guest rapidly accelerating towards us, I want to keep you on during that, but continuing with the different control modes they have.

00:51:27.000 We were talking during the break about how they try to also balkanize patriot groups or divide and conquer any resistance.

00:51:34.000 Trying to make people obsess on one group or another when in their own documents they talk about how they try to dominate every major group and even play those off against each other starting with left-right.

00:51:46.000 Yes, I think this Denver thing is very dangerous.

00:51:49.000 I think you had a show earlier last week on Denver itself.

00:51:52.000 Yeah, the Recreate 68 has subgroups that are calling for attacking police, and now they've come out and said we're white supremacists using classic cop attack.

00:52:01.000 Yes.

00:52:01.000 Again, that signature is federal, but we already know they're tied in with it.

00:52:05.000 Yeah, we saw that during the Vietnam protest era, and the peace movement also.

00:52:10.000 They went in and infiltrated these peace groups, and then totally agent-profacatured, radicalized them.

00:52:16.000 The weathermen.

00:52:16.000 Radicalized them.

00:52:17.000 Oh, by the way, Clinton did pardon some weathermen.

00:52:21.000 But that's okay!

00:52:22.000 Barack Obama's bad!

00:52:24.000 And Obama did bring that up against her, so I thought that was a pretty good hit on the Clintons.

00:52:32.000 So they're not what they appear to be, but no one is.

00:52:34.000 It's a mirage.

00:52:36.000 It's a delusion.

00:52:37.000 It's an illusion that's presented to us.

00:52:39.000 Absolutely.

00:52:40.000 You know, we were talking during a break about how, you know, I realize there's evil people in control of every major group and I haven't been pigeonholed because we want to have a wide appeal to get everybody to fight the policies of the New World Order instead of making it about a particular racial group or subgroup because then they can pigeonhole us there.

00:52:57.000 And that's also in their own battle plans to keep us from doing that.

00:53:01.000 They want to make us pick a group to attack to limit our effect.

00:53:05.000 Yes, you're exactly right.

00:53:06.000 What they've done also, they've pitted the Hispanic Americans or the Mexican Americans against the other people in this country. 0.61

00:53:12.000 But what we need to do is we need to wake up on both sides of the border and say, hey, we have our leaders to fear on both sides of the border and them alone.

00:53:21.000 But at the same time, the threats they create are so real you have to respond, which then feeds into the paradigm. 0.94

00:53:28.000 All I'm saying is, let's be honest, the Mexicans have been taught in Mexico that this belongs to them, and that gringos are bad and need to die, and my whole point is that I'm not trying to balkanize them when I talk about it. 1.00

00:53:38.000 Let's just be honest, just like police.

00:53:41.000 I'm not against the average cop, but I'm against them being trained for martial law and violating our rights.

00:53:46.000 Yes, exactly, but they do martial and control those people through hate.

00:53:50.000 And that's the way they keep everyone separate.

00:53:54.000 Absolutely.

00:53:54.000 Continue.

00:53:55.000 We just need to wake up to these mechanisms and these techniques of continuing to nurture and put forward these very hate-filled ideas about one another, whether it's the Hispanics against the gringos or whatever, or the blacks against the whites, and so forth.

00:54:10.000 They've got us totally, you know what I mean, at each other's throats.

00:54:13.000 And it's working, because human nature is susceptible to that.

00:54:16.000 And that's what they said over a hundred years ago.

00:54:18.000 They went to the British Crown and others and said, look, we have sciences of the mind In Germany and in England, the main places it came from, we and two competing schools that merged.

00:54:27.000 This is all documented and I've had historians and educators and Department of Education policy heads on to talk about it.

00:54:33.000 And they said we can scientifically craft this and have a dictatorship of the elite that never ends.

00:54:38.000 And we're a hundred years into this and now they're getting it ready for the mass extermination.

00:54:43.000 Yes, there's a group in England at Sussex, University of Sussex, that's called the Cogs Group.

00:54:49.000 And if you go into there, I recommend you go into that website at Sussex and start drilling down into that site and seeing the white papers that that group is putting out.

00:54:59.000 And I can't even explain and tell you what the titles of some of those papers mean.

00:55:04.000 They are deeply into mind research and sociology and so forth, and it's really mind-boggling what they're doing.

00:55:11.000 Universities aren't even for teaching people.

00:55:14.000 They take your money, your savings, to send your kids to school, and then literally 90% of UT is weapons research, mind control research, or it's for buying corporations, biggest university in the world, here in Austin, 50 plus billion in their liquid cream fund, increasing the taxes, taxes pay for it, no more free tuition.

00:55:33.000 And you go to the psychology department, and of course they've got them all over the world, their facilities, and I was allowed to see the declassified stuff by somebody that works there, who runs all their computers, and it was all mind control.

00:55:46.000 They didn't even deny.

00:55:47.000 It was how to flicker the TV to control us, how to get women sexually excited with TV to sell them products. 1.00

00:55:52.000 I mean, it's all they do 24-7.

00:55:55.000 What I did a while back in my own studies was I took and looked at the isms and I started substituting the word systems of thought.

00:56:05.000 So there's political systems of thought and so forth and there's psychological systems of thought and so forth and these are all used to compartmentalize us and to manage us.

00:56:14.000 We're going to have this guest for about 10-15 minutes, but then we're going to come back to you, George.

00:56:17.000 Stay there.

00:56:18.000 I want you to question the guest as well.

00:56:19.000 We really appreciate coming on on the other side of this quick break.

00:56:23.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back.

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01:00:14.000 I'll be watching you We're back live.

01:00:19.000 I'm Alex Jones.

01:00:21.000 I have fellow Austinite George Butler in studio, syndicated talk show host on the weekend here on the network, thehiddentruth.com.

01:00:31.000 And we have a guest.

01:00:35.000 Phil Lauredie, and we really appreciate Phil coming on with us.

01:00:41.000 He is a Ph.D.

01:00:42.000 human rights activist for peace and justice in Palestine.

01:00:46.000 He is the treasurer of the organization that Raed was part of, he last Tuesday came up missing and was found late last week in the Colorado River, a section of it known as Lady Bird Lake here in Austin, Texas.

01:01:07.000 And so he's obviously one of the closest people we can get to this case and who talked to this man.

01:01:14.000 People are very upset who know him here in Austin.

01:01:16.000 George knows some of the teachers at the school.

01:01:18.000 He was loved.

01:01:20.000 George, we didn't make that point clear.

01:01:21.000 You have friends that are teachers there.

01:01:24.000 They say he was just loved at the school.

01:01:25.000 He was well respected and loved by the students and the faculty.

01:01:32.000 And he mailed books to Palestinian children.

01:01:34.000 Yes, he was doing charity work and trying to help those people that were in need over there.

01:01:40.000 Okay, well people wanted to skip to the bottom of this.

01:01:42.000 We're trying.

01:01:43.000 Dr. Paul Laugherty, thank you for coming on the air with us, sir.

01:01:47.000 My pleasure to be with you.

01:01:48.000 Thank you for having me.

01:01:49.000 You've got the floor.

01:01:50.000 Everybody we're talking to thinks this is suspicious.

01:01:53.000 It stinks to high heaven.

01:01:54.000 Can you tell us what you first heard?

01:01:56.000 The police first said they thought it was suspicious, then they said it wasn't.

01:02:01.000 He was bound.

01:02:02.000 I mean, tell us what you know and what you think.

01:02:03.000 And I was talking to you during the break when we first got you on.

01:02:06.000 You said that the whole thing is suspicious, the way he was treated, the way it was handled.

01:02:11.000 He went on Democracy Now!

01:02:12.000 about the harassment.

01:02:14.000 Dr. David Kelly told friends they're going to, quote, kill me if I don't shut up. 0.58

01:02:18.000 And then he was killed.

01:02:19.000 And the evidence shows he was murdered.

01:02:20.000 But they said it was a suicide in England.

01:02:22.000 I mean, there's so many cases of this.

01:02:24.000 Or is it a suicide where he would stage his own death to make it look like he was murdered?

01:02:29.000 I mean, that's hard to believe.

01:02:30.000 You've got the floor to Tell us what you think really happened.

01:02:33.000 Well, I probably will put to rest some ideas of conspiracy, but maybe feed some other ideas of conspiracy.

01:02:44.000 And I believe that there was some conspiracy involved, but perhaps not in the same way that most people do.

01:02:51.000 With regard to the specific events of Riyadh's death, In retrospect, all his activities leading up to the time of his death appear to have been organized in order to take care of his affairs.

01:03:07.000 He was carefully putting his affairs in order and turning over responsibilities and bank accounts and passwords and web accounts and all this sort of thing to other people that were close to him, including myself.

01:03:27.000 So that's an indication that he was trying to control events.

01:03:32.000 And I, uh, as far as the, what happened the very evening of his disappearance and his death, um, he, I, I was the one who had the very last conversation with him.

01:03:47.000 And within a few hours after that, his wife, uh, uh, called me and said, we've reported him missing.

01:03:54.000 Nobody can find him and so forth.

01:03:58.000 And, um, the, and then the next call that I got regarding this was from a police detective or investigator who said that they were following up on her report, uh, her missing persons report.

01:04:14.000 And he said that they, they did have some, uh, new information.

01:04:20.000 The new information was that, uh, they had traced the cell phone signal And, uh, into the general area, and they found his car, and the car was unlocked, but the door closed, and on the seat of the car were his, uh, the car keys and his cell phone.

01:04:46.000 Why would he not leave a note if he did bound himself?

01:04:50.000 I'll come to that.

01:04:52.000 Can we go back to your last conversation with him, since you were the last to talk to him, sir?

01:04:55.000 Okay.

01:04:56.000 But here's something that didn't make the news very much, because the one thing that this investigator told me was that they had a photographic record of some of his last moments.

01:05:11.000 Because, in these situations, they look for, like, ATM surveillance cameras and things like that, and they found a convenience store across the street, I think it was, that did have a camera that captured some of what happened.

01:05:28.000 And that camera captured him driving up, sitting there for a period of time, then getting out of the car and walking in the direction of the lake, then returning.

01:05:40.000 to the car getting in the car for a briefer period of time and then getting out of the car again and going to the lake and that um... the uh... uh... that second time was corresponded to the time that he called me.

01:06:00.000 Have you seen this footage?

01:06:02.000 I haven't seen the footage myself.

01:06:04.000 I think uh... his family has seen it but uh...

01:06:09.000 But it's in Austin, so they can... Well, that's big!

01:06:13.000 We're seeking the truth here.

01:06:14.000 It looks like some dirty dealing to me, but you're saying... And you're the treasurer of the organization.

01:06:21.000 Tell us about the organization.

01:06:23.000 Well, the organization was set up by Riyadh to a large extent.

01:06:28.000 It was a one-person show, although he had volunteers who contributed in various ways to that, especially in Palestine.

01:06:39.000 Where he had people who were working on the projects that the organization supported.

01:06:45.000 Okay, let's get into the part of what he said to you, and we appreciate your time, sir, on the phone right before he reportedly killed himself, and then expand from there what you do believe is a conspiracy.

01:06:59.000 Well, as it turns out, it was a very routine conversation.

01:07:05.000 He just asked if I had followed up on his, uh, uh, if I had seen his emails that he had sent earlier.

01:07:13.000 And I said, yes.

01:07:15.000 And, uh, uh, then I said to him, well, uh, he was, he was about ready to go.

01:07:23.000 He, whenever he was on the phone, it was like, he wanted to always get off the phone as quickly as possible, uh, as if he was busy or something.

01:07:32.000 And so you could never get in a word edgewise, uh, with him most of the time.

01:07:36.000 And I said, wait a minute, don't go!

01:07:39.000 I've got some good news.

01:07:41.000 And the good news is that the account that I set up for PCWF in California had started to receive donations.

01:07:49.000 Because he was worried about that, that no donations had come into this new account that I'd set up.

01:07:56.000 Because donations used to come in on a regular basis.

01:08:01.000 Not only did we receive a donation today, but it was $1,000.

01:08:04.000 And he said, oh, was it from so-and-so?

01:08:08.000 And I looked at it, and I said, just a second, let me find it.

01:08:12.000 He said, oh, it doesn't matter.

01:08:14.000 And I said, no, no, no, wait.

01:08:16.000 And so I looked it up, and I gave him the name of the person who had sent the donation.

01:08:22.000 And it wasn't the same as the one that he thought.

01:08:25.000 And he said, oh, OK, that's great.

01:08:27.000 I'm glad to hear it, so forth.

01:08:28.000 And he said, OK, take care of yourself.

01:08:31.000 And that was the end of it.

01:08:32.000 It was a very routine conversation in many respects.

01:08:36.000 Well, let me just say this.

01:08:38.000 He had the FBI after him, they detained him, they'd gone through his house and business, taken all his books and things, and gone through all his papers, and so if he is being investigated and people involved with sending school books and money to Palestine and other things are getting arrested, Of course he would start phasing out and moving himself out of the business.

01:08:59.000 And then we have Israel saying in UPI and AP, what, five, six years ago, that they would kill people in the U.S.

01:09:05.000 supporting Palestine or, you know, any terrorist connections.

01:09:09.000 I'm not saying Israel did it.

01:09:10.000 I'm saying we have to look at that.

01:09:12.000 I mean, his legs are bound, his arms are bound.

01:09:14.000 Uh, you know, all the, you know, he's got stuff over his eyes, uh, and then you're saying that, I mean, maybe he was meeting somebody at the lake who was going to give him a big donation.

01:09:24.000 I mean, I'm just saying, the police always have, and it's come out before, they made it look like Bobby was killed by Sirhan Sirhan.

01:09:31.000 And then now it's come out that three CIA guys were there and they've admitted they killed him.

01:09:35.000 Or, you know, they made it look like Kennedy was killed by one guy and now it's admitted that he wasn't.

01:09:42.000 I'm just saying that just because he was getting accounts shifted over to other people, that, I mean, that I don't think proves that he wasn't suicided.

01:09:51.000 No, I don't think it does.

01:09:53.000 But anybody who knows Riyadh, would know that he would never allow himself to be controlled by other people.

01:10:05.000 And that, I think, is the real issue.

01:10:08.000 And that's where the conspiracy part comes in.

01:10:10.000 Do you think they knew his psychology and tried to push him over the edge?

01:10:16.000 Not necessarily, but I don't think they knew his psychology that well.

01:10:21.000 You have to really be intimate with him to understand that.

01:10:24.000 I don't think they cared.

01:10:26.000 As long as they destroyed him, that was what they wanted.

01:10:30.000 And they did?

01:10:31.000 Yeah, and he knew that he was essentially being destroyed.

01:10:37.000 The mere fact that they took away his records and papers and all that sort of thing, and put some controls on his bank account and took away his His passport, all of that meant that they were in the process of destroying him.

01:10:55.000 Now, they never found enough evidence to indict him or arrest him.

01:11:02.000 Well, they always take everything so you can't fight back.

01:11:05.000 It's part of SAGE.

01:11:06.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:11:07.000 So, that is what was of concern to him, that basically they were destroying what he had created by doing that.

01:11:15.000 And furthermore, They were making life problematic, at minimum, for his family.

01:11:24.000 They were going after his family and interviewing them.

01:11:28.000 He was concerned, and I think there was justification for this.

01:11:32.000 Now, I've seen the media calling by Raeed Hamid or Hamad.

01:11:36.000 Is it Hamidi?

01:11:37.000 How do you pronounce it?

01:11:38.000 Riad Hamad.

01:11:39.000 Hamad.

01:11:40.000 Finally got it right there.

01:11:41.000 Hamad.

01:11:42.000 Gotcha.

01:11:42.000 Sorry.

01:11:47.000 He was very concerned for what was happening to his family, that in effect the investigators were trying to get at him through his family, and that they were going to accuse his family members of being part of a conspiracy.

01:12:00.000 Oh, so he did that, you're saying he killed himself to protect his family by destroying the only link?

01:12:06.000 Yeah, and at the same time he was to some extent protecting his Well, I'm not saying I agree with you that they drove him to suicide, but I do see your point and I do see the Palestinians. 1.00

01:12:24.000 What is this cultural thing about... Well, I think he was a hero for doing what he did because what he was saying is, I'm not going to let you Yes, and to maybe make some people doubt me and hate me and all that sort of thing.

01:12:48.000 I'm not going to give you control over my life and over my family or anything like that.

01:12:52.000 I'm going to take control.

01:12:54.000 and his way of taking control is not only to to uh... taking out of their hands but also in the manner of ending his life that he cast uh... suspicion on his enemies and uh... you know i don't at by any means want to and the the speculation about uh... about uh... how somebody might have murdered him

01:13:23.000 Because that's his legacy.

01:13:24.000 Yeah, Paul, this is George Butler.

01:13:26.000 I have a couple of comments here.

01:13:29.000 For one, why don't they present the video to us so we can look at it and analyze it, and it could diffuse this speculation about murder.

01:13:36.000 Yeah, that should be out quickly.

01:13:38.000 Number two... Normally they would, by the way.

01:13:40.000 Number two, we need more details on the bounding of Raid himself.

01:13:47.000 There are reports it says loosely.

01:13:49.000 Was it loosely or was it firmly bound?

01:13:51.000 If he was firmly bound, then it was murder.

01:13:53.000 Whether it was loosely or tightly, if Riyad really wanted to do it, I think he could find a way to bind himself tightly.

01:13:57.000 the idea of suicide, which I don't agree with on the outset here.

01:14:01.000 It's a possibility, but it's not likely.

01:14:03.000 Whether it was loosely or tightly, if Riyadh really wanted to do it, I think he could find a way to bind himself tightly.

01:14:14.000 I don't know the details of this, but he was pretty ingenious.

01:14:20.000 So he's going to blind himself and walk down to the lake and throw himself in.

01:14:25.000 It's not consistent.

01:14:27.000 The story that they floated is not consistent with suicide.

01:14:30.000 Well, as far as I know... What time did he supposedly do this?

01:14:33.000 Because it's so busy down there.

01:14:36.000 Yeah, see, I don't know too much about the details, but... Well, he called you, you're saying, right before he killed himself, or we're speculating.

01:14:43.000 I mean, when did he call you?

01:14:46.000 The call was Monday night, the 14th at 7.30 in the evening, my time, which would be 9.30 in Austin.

01:14:57.000 Well, we know this.

01:14:59.000 We know that Mossad does run around killing people all over the world, do they not?

01:15:04.000 Well, that's the other thing.

01:15:06.000 He had reported to me that his neighbor Uh, had seen people, two people with funny accents and, uh, and, uh, guns, automatic weapons that, uh, that looked like, uh, uh, the Galil, uh, weapons that, uh, that were next door.

01:15:30.000 Now, all I can do is report to you what he said to me.

01:15:33.000 Well, he doesn't sound like somebody who makes stuff up.

01:15:35.000 Did you know him to make up stuff?

01:15:38.000 Uh, no.

01:15:39.000 Not to make up stuff, but, uh... Okay, so his neighbor, his neighbor sees people with, quote, funny accents with what looks like Israeli rifles.

01:15:50.000 The information I have also from my sources say that the neighbors were approached several months before for surveillance.

01:15:57.000 They were trying to set up surveillance.

01:15:58.000 Is that correct?

01:16:00.000 Some of the surveillance people were these people with funny accents.

01:16:05.000 You're getting this from teachers.

01:16:06.000 I got it from two different TV stations that heard the scanners that it looked like he'd been tortured.

01:16:12.000 And present, if the police want to diffuse this speculation about murder and suicide and all that, give us those tapes, and I want to see the man walking back and forth around there.

01:16:23.000 I just, it's hard to believe, it's unbelievable, it's preposterous in my opinion.

01:16:28.000 Well, yeah, I think the tapes should be released.

01:16:33.000 I know at one time I was asked not to mention these in interviews, because the case was still under investigation, but as far as I'm because the case was still under investigation, but as far as Because supposedly they were still pursuing the idea that he was murdered, and so there were certain things that they didn't want to reveal publicly.

01:17:01.000 Paul, I know that a lot of this stuff may seem like little points to you, but every little tidbit is big.

01:17:08.000 Specifically, what did he say about men with foreign accents and Israeli-style machine guns at the neighbor's house?

01:17:16.000 That they were watching and that they had communicated with the U.S.

01:17:20.000 investigators.

01:17:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:22.000 We need a full-blown investigation.

01:17:24.000 A very, very... We need a panel of specialists.

01:17:28.000 Look, the Israelis are good.

01:17:29.000 The Israelis are good.

01:17:30.000 They make it... Look, I don't want them killing me and everybody saying I committed suicide. 1.00

01:17:34.000 Dammit, I'm not killing myself. 0.98

01:17:36.000 When he told me that, I asked him to take photos of them if possible. 1.00

01:17:40.000 Stay there, stay there.

01:17:41.000 We've got a break.

01:17:42.000 We'll be right back.

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01:21:02.000 So we're going to keep Dr. Moritty 10 minutes after.

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01:21:49.000 Okay, I want to make this point.

01:21:52.000 I have made preparations for the government to kill me, because I've been threatened and physically attacked.

01:21:57.000 And then they can later spin that to say, oh look, he was... You do.

01:22:00.000 You know, well see, you do.

01:22:02.000 Oh look, he's suicidal.

01:22:03.000 Oh look, he's bad.

01:22:05.000 He knows that Mossad or Shinbad or whatever hit team they hired is running around his house.

01:22:10.000 The neighbors are telling him this.

01:22:11.000 Of course he starts getting ready to die.

01:22:13.000 And a lot of times, what I've been told by people in DEA, CIA, FBI, that when a mafia group hits you, they usually contract with somebody else to do it. 0.62

01:22:22.000 They come into your house, it's dark, they say, okay, come with us, you're going to write a suicide letter or we're going to kill your family. 1.00

01:22:28.000 Watch your daughter get dropped off at school today, I'm going to rape her. 1.00

01:22:31.000 I'm going to cut her head off. 1.00

01:22:32.000 I'm going to rape her for a couple days before I kill her. 1.00

01:22:35.000 Or maybe we'll fly her into Saudi Arabia to a slay brothel. 1.00

01:22:38.000 So they might have told him to go commit suicide. 0.98

01:22:40.000 I mean, very sophisticated ways to get this done.

01:22:44.000 So all I'm saying is this thing speaks to high heaven.

01:22:46.000 And the cops at first were saying they thought it was suspicious.

01:22:49.000 Then they changed their story.

01:22:50.000 All I'm saying is with what looks like Israelis running around, the surveillance, the harassment, he was getting his doctorate. 1.00

01:22:59.000 Why would he want to give up on life?

01:23:00.000 I mean, that's my question to you, doctor.

01:23:03.000 Well, there's more to it than that, because the timing of it, I discussed this with Riyadh.

01:23:09.000 I believe that the raid was connected to my cooperation with Riyadh, with another organization, the Free Gaza Movement, that is taking boats into Gaza this summer in defiance of the Israeli blockade.

01:23:22.000 And we were at a stage where he was going to get those boats for us, and him being taken out of the picture at that time with the FBI raid really caused some damage, not complete damage, to what we were doing.

01:23:37.000 Ah, now we learn how it turned into a military operation, why they probably gave the red light.

01:23:42.000 And again, they're very slick.

01:23:44.000 They say they're the slickest.

01:23:45.000 Comments, George?

01:23:46.000 What kind of operation was that again?

01:23:48.000 What kind of operation was that?

01:23:50.000 It was bringing aid supplies on boats.

01:23:53.000 Aid supplies, no, but we're taking volunteers in there to end the blockade of Gaza.

01:23:59.000 And this was at a crucial time when he was involved in boat procurement for us.

01:24:04.000 But this was a charitable type of operation?

01:24:08.000 It was a human rights operation, similar to... No military implications of any kind?

01:24:15.000 I mean, you guys have had them go over you with a fine-toothed comb.

01:24:18.000 I mean, you guys all espouse peaceful, right?

01:24:21.000 Yeah, of course.

01:24:22.000 But the point is, if they wanted to disrupt our operation and end our operation, that would have been a very good way to do it.

01:24:30.000 And so that's where we believe the Israeli connection came in.

01:24:33.000 That the Israelis fed something to the U.S. 0.99

01:24:38.000 investigators in order to cause this disruption.

01:24:43.000 But they've been after him for years.

01:24:48.000 For decades, they've been after him.

01:24:50.000 This is not the first time.

01:24:51.000 Well, the Israelis were seen running around with machine guns.

01:24:54.000 They did that on purpose to create and instill terror.

01:24:56.000 Doctor, we're going to call you back right now.

01:24:58.000 We'll be back on the other side for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers in one minute.

01:25:03.000 Thank you, Doctor.

01:25:04.000 Stay there.

01:25:04.000 We're going to call you right back.

01:25:05.000 We're trying to get to the bottom of this.

01:25:07.000 Quite a mystery, quite a whodunit.

01:25:10.000 Was it Was it the poor Palestinian man? 0.98

01:25:14.000 Or was it Mossad?

01:25:15.000 Was it FBI?

01:25:17.000 Who knows?

01:25:18.000 We'll be right back.

01:25:23.000 Alright.

01:25:24.000 Thank you guys.

01:25:25.000 Thank you, Genesis.

01:25:26.000 Anytime.

01:25:27.000 Take care.

01:25:28.000 Okay, we're going to continue our discussion here.

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01:25:34.000 The election cycle.

01:25:38.000 Okay, ladies and gentlemen, kind of a rough start here of Overdrive.

01:25:46.000 I've got so many responsibilities, phone calls, work to do, but this is so important.

01:25:50.000 We're going to get the doctor back on with us, Paul Laugherty.

01:25:55.000 Here he is on the document cam.

01:25:59.000 Just absolutely incredible, the things that are going on right now.

01:26:04.000 While we're lining him up, George, final comments on this.

01:26:06.000 This is amazing.

01:26:07.000 Yeah, what I would say, as far as what I see right now, one of the weak problems in this whole thing right now, and it actually can expose it, is let's bring forward those eyewitnesses that saw those agents with guns that were in nearby neighborhood homes or something.

01:26:24.000 That is something that needs to be explored to its nth degree.

01:26:28.000 Yeah, this needs to be all over the papers that he saw these people.

01:26:32.000 Israel admits, and we have UPI and AP, they're running around domestically, and I tell you, man, this is incredible.

01:26:40.000 This is just... We need to take back our country. 0.60

01:26:43.000 We really do.

01:26:44.000 I mean, it's just amazing.

01:26:49.000 I mean, and you know, you've got to know, Israel's got the Homeland Security head, they've got the Attorney General.

01:26:55.000 I mean, there's no doubt that it's the biggest lobby in Washington, and they said they'd kill American citizens if they want, and you know, we're talking about this now, I wonder if they're going to come kill me and say I committed suicide.

01:27:05.000 I mean, you know, and I don't even want to attack Israel, but I can't sit here while Israel does this inside my country. 0.86

01:27:12.000 I'm not even enemies with Israel, but they're out of control. 0.98

01:27:15.000 They're turning our country into a police state.

01:27:17.000 They're working with the globalists.

01:27:18.000 It's all one group.

01:27:19.000 They're all working together.

01:27:20.000 George?

01:27:21.000 The teachers should organize that knew him and lobby to get down to the bottom of this.

01:27:28.000 They should call a press conference!

01:27:29.000 The teachers should call a big press conference, an independent school district press conference, get as many people together as you can, and demand that we get down to the bottom of this.

01:27:40.000 Well, you know where she lives. 1.00

01:27:41.000 You're a good guy, a diplomat.

01:27:43.000 We need to go talk to her. 0.98

01:27:44.000 Because they always tell the women, shut up, be quiet, everything will be okay. 1.00

01:27:47.000 Yeah, right, now there's that mourning period we have to respect, of course.

01:27:51.000 Okay, let's bring the doctor up for five more minutes and then maybe we can get him back up tomorrow for a part two. 0.73

01:27:56.000 We have to end this show.

01:27:57.000 Sir, in the last five minutes, Dr. Paul Laugherty, who is the I'm your main guy working with the deceased on all of this.

01:28:07.000 Tell us any other key points you've got.

01:28:09.000 Anything else?

01:28:10.000 I mean, this is so suspicious what you're saying now.

01:28:12.000 I understand you're trying to be balanced and say maybe he killed himself, but God, when you look at it on the other side of this, it's just incredible.

01:28:19.000 Well, the question I was just raising before we switched over to web streaming is about the timing of this.

01:28:30.000 Because Riyadh had been under a person of interest, let's say, with the FBI and the IRS for a very long time.

01:28:42.000 So, what exactly, and he sent me copies of his previous communication with the FBI, but what made them act at this time?

01:28:55.000 Well, I asked Riyadh, you know, He was, quite frankly, right on the verge of closing a deal for one of the boats that we were going to use in the operation this summer, which is going to happen anyway, by the way.

01:29:12.000 It's set for August 5th, and the idea is that we're taking Israelis and Palestinians and South Africans and People from all over the world, including priests and rabbis and imams and a former member of the British Parliament.

01:29:28.000 They don't want that solidarity!

01:29:30.000 They don't want that image! 0.96

01:29:33.000 No, they don't.

01:29:34.000 They don't want that circumventing of their authority there.

01:29:38.000 Exactly.

01:29:39.000 They do not want their blockade of Gaza to be run and the rights of Palestinians to be asserted.

01:29:49.000 You know, I said to him, do you think this has anything to do with the fact that you were about to close?

01:29:55.000 And he said, yes, I think it does.

01:29:57.000 This is their way of disrupting what we're doing.

01:30:01.000 And they temporarily did disrupt it and caused us to lose some money.

01:30:06.000 In the process, but that's not it's not going to stop us, but I think that may have been their attempt.

01:30:11.000 OK, doctor, doctor, can you go back, Dr. Paul Lority?

01:30:15.000 Can you go back specifically and tell us what he told you?

01:30:20.000 I mean, as specifically as possible.

01:30:22.000 I know you had multiple conversations with him.

01:30:23.000 What others told you about the men creeping around his house, talking to the neighbors that, quote, spoke funny and had machine guns, which, of course, they wanted to get back to him or they wouldn't be walking around with these.

01:30:38.000 Well, I don't know very much.

01:30:41.000 He didn't tell me very much.

01:30:42.000 He didn't know very much.

01:30:44.000 I mean, all he could do is to say what he saw and heard with his neighbors.

01:30:49.000 But there were two men with an appearance that for them appeared foreign and had strange accents.

01:31:05.000 And they were observing what was going on.

01:31:10.000 They were communicating with the FBI and IRS.

01:31:14.000 In Austin, there's a big contingent that opposes taxi drivers.

01:31:19.000 Yeah, but they did not actually come into Riyadh's house.

01:31:24.000 They stayed on or near the neighbor's property and looked through some of the spaces in the fence and things like that.

01:31:34.000 So, and he sent me a picture of the fence, but that's not much good without... I asked him to take some pictures, if possible, of the men themselves, and he apparently was unable to do that.

01:31:47.000 But the neighbors told him about this?

01:31:47.000 Oh, God.

01:31:49.000 Yeah.

01:31:50.000 Jeez.

01:31:51.000 It just never ends.

01:31:54.000 It just absolutely never ends.

01:31:57.000 Oh, another thing I might mention to you is that More recently, he got one of his friends whose materials were among those that the investigators carted away.

01:32:11.000 And he got that person to call the investigators and say, well, listen, I need these materials back.

01:32:17.000 Do you have any idea when this investigation is going to be finished so that I can get those materials?

01:32:24.000 And apparently, the investigator told the friend, That they hadn't even begun to look through the materials that they had taken.

01:32:34.000 So here it is, maybe six weeks after the materials were taken, and they hadn't even opened the boxes.

01:32:40.000 Well, we know that 99.9 percent, and they admit that, of tens of thousands of terror arrests, they have one conviction.

01:32:46.000 Usually it's just a big show of arresting brown people and acting like they're fighting some terror threat, or finding mentally retarded street kids in Miami and giving them a hundred grand to videotape a government building, or finding a blind cleric and finding two mentally retarded guys on city welfare to drive the truck and the FBI cook the bomb, train the driver. 0.95

01:33:06.000 I mean, I just wish they'd stop it.

01:33:08.000 You know, I wish they'd just keep us out of all this.

01:33:10.000 And I understand you've gotten involved in all of it.

01:33:13.000 How did you get involved in this, Doctor?

01:33:14.000 I mean, this is wild.

01:33:16.000 Well, I've been involved since 1965, actually, which is when I first went to Palestine.

01:33:25.000 But it went up another level in, say, 2001, 2002, when I I participated with the International Solidarity Movement in some non-violent resistance actions there.

01:33:38.000 I was shot in the foot, and later, two years ago, this was by an Israeli who also shot six others that I was with at the time, an Israeli soldier.

01:33:49.000 And then, two years ago, I was arrested upon entering Israel, and held for two weeks, and ultimately deported.

01:33:57.000 Did they torture you?

01:33:59.000 No, no.

01:33:59.000 Israel's the only country in the world with legalized torture, you know that, right?

01:34:02.000 Yeah, no, they wouldn't want to do that.

01:34:07.000 They didn't hold me in that kind of facility.

01:34:12.000 I don't think it makes sense for them to do that, just from the consequences.

01:34:24.000 I'm sure you saw this week, all these Israeli soldiers are going public about torturing, killing people, and admitting they just do it for fun.

01:34:32.000 That's why they're going to end up losing, is that you can't just shoot little kids for fun, and all the videos of them killing little kids and laughing, or the videos of our troops just shooting families in their cars for fun.

01:34:42.000 I mean, it's scary, because they're bringing all these people, all these troops back home here, and God, we really have turned into Nazis.

01:34:50.000 It just scares the hell out of me.

01:34:51.000 I can't believe our world is this bad, and you've got the courage to go be in the middle of it.

01:34:56.000 I have to tell you, I'm scared of being killed so I can't continue my work.

01:34:59.000 I'm not scared of them killing me.

01:35:01.000 I'm scared of them killing me so I don't continue my work.

01:35:03.000 Do you understand the point I'm making, Doctor?

01:35:04.000 Of course, of course.

01:35:06.000 And I just like, my God, it's just evil keeps winning and winning and winning.

01:35:10.000 Do you get the point I'm making?

01:35:12.000 Sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it fails, and that's what we have to work for.

01:35:16.000 Well, I know you're a very busy person, but I'd like to try to get you back up on the show.

01:35:19.000 People want to see what you guys do and learn more about you to decipher themselves, if you're wicked or good.

01:35:26.000 What's the website?

01:35:28.000 The website for PCWF is PCWF.org, and I'll mention also the Free Gaza Movement.

01:35:36.000 It's FreeGaza.org.

01:35:39.000 Where you can learn about what we're doing this summer.

01:35:42.000 What is Israel going to do? 0.66

01:35:43.000 They've lost all the PR advantage they had running over Michigan girls with no criminal record with a bulldozer twice and laughing about it as she bleeds with a broken body. 0.89

01:35:53.000 I mean, it just isn't going to work anymore.

01:35:55.000 Do they know that minute by minute they're turning the world against them?

01:35:58.000 Yeah, well we have to use that because it's the only way that we're going to get our rights back and the rights of Palestinians I just don't understand the chutzpah of running over a woman with a bulldozer and laughing about it. 1.00

01:36:16.000 It's got to stop.

01:36:18.000 Well, one theory is that they were testing the water at that time to see if they could do it and get away with it because they did that to three of our volunteers, two of whom were killed and one of whom almost died with wounds to the face.

01:36:34.000 All in the space of one month at that time.

01:36:36.000 Did you know Rachel Corey?

01:36:38.000 I didn't know her personally, no.

01:36:39.000 I know her parents, but I did know Brian Avery, who was the one shot in the face a few weeks later in Janine.

01:36:48.000 He was a friend of mine.

01:36:49.000 Would you say that the people got mad at it, or would you say that those killing US citizens to test the waters were successful?

01:36:57.000 Oh, I think they were totally unsuccessful.

01:36:59.000 Nowadays, if When I encounter people who are new to the issue, and I tell them I'm from the International Solidarity Movement, I ask them, have you heard of the International Solidarity Movement?

01:37:10.000 They say, no, I don't think so.

01:37:12.000 I say, did you hear about the 23-year-old woman from Olympia, Washington, who was killed by a bulldozer in Gaza a couple of years ago?

01:37:22.000 Oh, yes, of course!

01:37:23.000 Now, that's not a public relations coup for Israel.

01:37:27.000 And that's, I think, why the experiment didn't work, why they tried it for a month and then stopped.

01:37:32.000 You know, you know, Rayid Ahmed, he sent a letter to George Bush.

01:37:37.000 I just got it.

01:37:38.000 We're going to post it up on JonesReport.com right now.

01:37:40.000 I wonder if that could have made him mad.

01:37:42.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:37:44.000 He was very confrontational and he was very good in his letter writing.

01:37:49.000 Okay, well, Doctor, I'd like to have my producer call you and maybe set you up for 20 minutes tomorrow to add to all of this.

01:37:55.000 We really appreciate your time, and you have amazing courage, one, but can't help admire your humanitarianism, and I hope you're right.

01:38:02.000 I hope it was suicide, because I know I'll sleep better at night, but I don't think it is.

01:38:06.000 This thing sticks to high heaven.

01:38:07.000 We'll talk to you soon, Doctor.

01:38:09.000 Okay, thank you.

01:38:10.000 Take care.

01:38:12.000 God bless.

01:38:13.000 In closing, George, you've got the floor and I've got to run.

01:38:17.000 In fact, I've got to leave right now.

01:38:19.000 How about I let you go for ten minutes and give everybody your analysis of this.

01:38:22.000 You can start co-hosting right now.

01:38:25.000 You just go ahead and stay over there.

01:38:27.000 You go ahead and stay over there.

01:38:28.000 I'm going to leave now, and you go ahead and tell everybody what you think about this for 10 minutes, and then we'll bring George out of here at 24 after and meet the other radio show.

01:38:35.000 You've got 15 minutes, George.

01:38:36.000 Okay, listening audience out there, you've heard a personal account of a man that was killed, murdered, and they're alleging suicide, some of the authorities are.

01:38:49.000 They're telling us that there was a tape, but they're not forthcoming with the videotape yet that would prove up maybe a possible suicide on Town Lake, or it's called Lady Bird Lake now.

01:39:00.000 This has taken place in Austin, Texas.

01:39:04.000 And we have a man that was just interviewed by Alex Jones, Paul Lardy, and he had been involved with different organizations that had been over in Israel, actually in Gaza, and also he'd gone over there and he'd experienced some very harsh treatment himself over a number of years.

01:39:24.000 I think he was shot in the foot.

01:39:25.000 Some of his friends were actually killed over there.

01:39:28.000 There's a great number of people that care about the Palestinian cause.

01:39:33.000 And they're going over to the West Bank and to Gaza and providing charity also to some of those people over there that have been suffering for a number of years.

01:39:45.000 Some of the points made by Riyad Hamad's death I believe are very flimsy.

01:39:51.000 Some of the first reports put out by the APD, I think, do not have very much substance to them.

01:39:59.000 There were different things by Paul Lordy.

01:40:02.000 He said something about, well, if he was going to bound himself, he would do it very well.

01:40:06.000 Here they're reporting a loosely bounding of his ankles and hands and stuff.

01:40:10.000 Nobody's going to tie themselves up and throw themselves in a lake and commit suicide like that.

01:40:15.000 It's not probable.

01:40:16.000 It's not likely, and as a result, it's probably not true that he committed suicide.

01:40:22.000 I don't know for sure.

01:40:23.000 All the facts are not in.

01:40:26.000 We do know that there's a large number, many teachers that knew of his teaching and his ability, and they respected him as a man, as a teacher.

01:40:35.000 He's working on a PhD in keyboarding, one of the computer science, computer media, I think they might call that today.

01:40:43.000 So, this man was a citizen of the United States of America.

01:40:48.000 He was well-liked.

01:40:50.000 He was a responsible citizen.

01:40:52.000 He was doing charity work for Palestinian kids, and now the newest thing that they were into was taking and creating a boat bypass of the Israeli authorities, which probably angered them to a large extent.

01:41:09.000 I don't know why, you know, or how he met his final death.

01:41:13.000 There were other details that were brought out in the interview also.

01:41:16.000 And some of those details would get back to there was surveillance and there were some very suspicious people in that neighborhood that were surveilling him and keeping him under watch.

01:41:27.000 These were foreign looking people with some kinds of submachine guns.

01:41:31.000 Could be described as Israeli type machine guns.

01:41:35.000 This came out and was reported from neighbors back to Riyadh, Hamad.

01:41:41.000 So as we're getting more and more into this death that occurred, a very tragic death here in Austin, Texas.

01:41:49.000 They believe that the first police report, I believe, took place on Wednesday, April 16, 2008.

01:41:57.000 At 2 o'clock, there was a police report that was released.

01:42:02.000 The narrative of this says something like this.

01:42:06.000 Exactly, I'll read it word for word.

01:42:08.000 On Monday, April 14, 2008, Riyad Hamad was reported missing by his family.

01:42:14.000 APD personnel provided resources in an attempt to locate Hamad, but were unsuccessful.

01:42:19.000 On Tuesday, April 15, 2008, information was provided to the missing persons unit by persons close to Hamad.

01:42:27.000 Who are those persons?

01:42:28.000 That he had been experiencing suicidal thoughts.

01:42:30.000 Well, those people need to come forward and tell us what, you know, if that is an accurate statement.

01:42:36.000 A.P.D.

01:42:36.000 continued its attempt to locate Hamad with the assistance of his family.

01:42:41.000 On this same day, A.P.D.

01:42:43.000 located Hamad's vehicle parked near Lady Bird Lake.

01:42:48.000 An extensive search was conducted of the area, but Hamad was not found.

01:42:52.000 Well, in the interview with Mr. Laugherty, Paul Laugherty, he stated that there was tape that was from some security camera in the nearby area that show Hamad driving down to the lake, then walking down to the lake, coming back to his car and so forth.

01:43:10.000 But I mean, I want to see, if there was a tape doing that, then maybe there's a tape showing him bounding himself up, I don't know.

01:43:18.000 We need to continue to ask questions.

01:43:22.000 The teachers within the Austin Independent School District need to go out and lobby very strongly and make their feelings known about getting down to the truth of this matter and so forth.

01:43:36.000 We just have to continue to ask questions and not put anybody under a cloud of suspicion.

01:43:45.000 The police department is probably acting well-intentioned, and everyone concerned here, I'm sure, is acting with good intentions.

01:43:54.000 It's just that we need more information and we need more people forthcoming to get us down to a real bottom line analysis and a conclusion and a summary of exactly what did happen.

01:44:08.000 I think so far.

01:44:11.000 My own opinion is not suicide.

01:44:15.000 I just don't think that many people would conduct suicide in this manner.

01:44:21.000 It just doesn't make sense to me.

01:44:23.000 He was under investigation.

01:44:25.000 He was under death threats and so forth.

01:44:30.000 Some boxes he had sent over there to Gaza and to the Palestinians had been returned.

01:44:36.000 There were people suspicious in his neighborhood and so forth.

01:44:41.000 So it looked like to me that he was responding to get his affairs together to take care of his family.

01:44:48.000 He was anticipating murder here of himself.

01:44:52.000 That's sort of my analysis at this point without any further information.

01:44:56.000 Or tapes being seen of him throwing himself into Lady Bird Lake, binding himself up across the mouth and eyes and stuff and throwing himself in.

01:45:07.000 It's consistent with murder when you tape a person's eyes.

01:45:11.000 You especially tape a person's eyes and mouth so they cannot cry out for help.

01:45:18.000 Then you bind them up, their legs and so forth, so they cannot swim.

01:45:22.000 Their hands and his legs were bound so that they could not swim, and then you throw the guy in there.

01:45:27.000 And this is consistent with a murder of drowning.

01:45:32.000 Just, you know, the man could not swim, could not get himself out of those bindings, and as a result he drowned.

01:45:41.000 So that's basically my analysis at this point, not having any further information.

01:45:47.000 And we don't have all the information, so we have to be careful in making and reaching quick conclusions in this area.

01:45:55.000 But again, I call on the students and the teachers there to get out here and get the word out and demand More answers to many of these questions that are not being answered at this time.

01:46:09.000 And especially the video that was talked about earlier about him walking down to Town Lake and so forth.

01:46:18.000 Let's bring it forward.

01:46:20.000 Give it to the press.

01:46:21.000 Let's see it.

01:46:22.000 Put it on the internet.

01:46:23.000 Let us look at that.

01:46:24.000 Of course, with respect for his widow, we have to be careful here.

01:46:29.000 That we certainly respect her privacy and so forth.

01:46:37.000 But this is George Butler reporting from the Alex Jones Show and sitting in for the last 10 or 15 minutes of it.

01:46:44.000 Thank you for listening and tune us in tomorrow.

01:46:48.000 Thank you very much.

01:46:49.000 Thank you.

01:47:19.000 Thank you.

01:47:29.000 We're good.

Alex Jones Show - April 21, 2008

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