Alex Jones Show - 20080523_Fri_Alex

00:00:02.000 Waging war on corruption.

00:00:05.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

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00:00:30.000 22-year-old Nikki Riley, a convert to militant Islam, described as a vulnerable man who's been preyed upon and radicalized. 0.77

00:00:41.000 He has a history of mental illness.

00:00:44.000 Nikki Riley travelled by bus from Plymouth to Exeter yesterday morning.

00:00:49.000 He went to the Princess Hay shopping mall in the city centre.

00:00:53.000 It's thought he went into the toilet at the Giraffe restaurant.

00:00:56.000 Shortly afterwards, there was an explosion.

00:00:59.000 Riley was arrested at the scene of the blast.

00:01:02.000 He'd suffered cuts to his eye and some burns on his face when it went off.

00:01:07.000 He's being treated at a hospital while under police custody.

00:01:10.000 Okay.

00:01:11.000 Alright, let's go to Paul Watson just for three minutes.

00:01:14.000 Then we've got Ray McGovern, scheduled top CIA analyst to go over the war, the economy, where he thinks things are going.

00:01:22.000 You're there in England.

00:01:23.000 I mean, it's always the same M.O.

00:01:24.000 A mental patient With a firecracker with some thumbtacks on it, blows it up in his face, and now they're ninnying, running around, freaking out.

00:01:34.000 And this happened right after they were before the European Human Rights Court about secret arrest without habeas corpus.

00:01:41.000 And now your El Presidente is taking time out, your Prime Minister, from saying, we need martial law and we need a new world order, he's taking time out to fearmonger Paul Watson. 0.54

00:01:57.000 Well, yeah, it's, from what I can see, it's basically Dumb and Dumber Part 2.

00:02:02.000 You remember the, uh, terror attack on the Glasgow Airport a year ago?

00:02:07.000 They called it a terror attack.

00:02:08.000 It was actually two retards setting fire to a jeep. 1.00

00:02:12.000 But it was in the news for about three weeks after.

00:02:15.000 And, uh, presented as another reason why we should, you know, be putting a terror database for filming a bunch of flowers at a tube station.

00:02:24.000 But, um, From what the eyewitnesses said about this one, which happened yesterday morning in Exeter, which is quite a small university town near the south coast of England.

00:02:36.000 My brother used to live there.

00:02:38.000 Down by Cornwall, isn't it?

00:02:40.000 It's in that area.

00:02:42.000 The eyewitnesses, and it was in a packed restaurant, but the actual bomb, if you want to call it that, was set off in a locked toilet.

00:02:51.000 And the eyewitnesses described it as Didn't sound like a bomb, it sounded more like a lightbulb exploding. 0.94

00:02:58.000 So again, it's some pathetic individual that's got a history of mental illness that's been influenced by some propaganda and being radicalized by it. 0.96

00:03:09.000 And that's what they do, they now advertise, oh see there's deadly Al-Qaeda, it's white Al-Qaeda, remember they said armies of white Al-Qaeda, thousands trained with missiles, totally deadly force. 1.00

00:03:21.000 And then they find them, you know, black, mentally ill street kids, mentally retarded. 1.00

00:03:25.000 They give them a hundred grand to videotape an FBI building, bust them. 0.99

00:03:29.000 The news says an army of crack assassins, so deadly trained, they were unstoppable.

00:03:33.000 Then it turned out some of them can't even talk.

00:03:36.000 And then, I mean, it's always the same M.O.

00:03:39.000 Always the same M.O.

00:03:41.000 Well, in Britain, they're trying to sell it on this so-called Islamo-fascism. 0.97

00:03:45.000 They actually, they had a bust in Burnley, which is a northern town not too far away from where I live.

00:03:52.000 And it was a Neo-Nazi, and he basically had a huge cache of rocket launchers and grenades, and it was in the local newspaper once, and it didn't even make, you know, BBC, whereas this is all over BBC at the moment, so they pick which ones they're going to propagandise about very carefully.

00:04:11.000 This is not getting as much traction as Dumb and Dumber did setting fire to a jeep at Glasgow Airport, but it's certainly It's more in the news today than it was yesterday.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, you would have thought giant alien spacecraft landed at the airport with tanks rolling by and Blair freaking out and panicking and the media saying, will Britannia hold fast against the burning jeep? 0.83

00:04:36.000 I mean, it's ridiculous. 0.95

00:04:39.000 It was crazy. 0.67

00:04:40.000 Well, I mean, then you look at the real bombings, the London bombings, The bombers were completely coddled by MI5 and they didn't display the behavior of suicide bombers, which is what they were.

00:04:53.000 He runs PrisonPlanet.com.

00:04:55.000 We're out of time, Paul.

00:04:56.000 Thank you so much for popping in.

00:04:58.000 Alright, thanks, Alex.

00:04:59.000 Thank you.

00:05:00.000 We'll be right back.

00:05:02.000 I'm going to leave you. 0.98

00:05:03.000 And this is, it's ridiculous. 0.96

00:05:10.000 It was crazy. 0.86

00:05:12.000 Well, I mean, then you look at the real bombings, the London bombings, which is... The bombers were completely coddled by MI5 and they didn't display the behavior of suicide bombers, which is what they were, so... He runs PrisonPlanet.com.

00:05:28.000 We're out of time, Paul.

00:05:29.000 Thank you so much for popping in.

00:05:30.000 Alright, thanks, Alex.

00:05:32.000 Thank you.

00:05:32.000 We'll be right back.

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00:08:30.000 Up on the screen, I have an image of Ray McGovern at an event just a few weeks ago.

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00:08:48.000 We should all pray for Ray McGovern because he's been a great patriot to this country and one of the top senior CIA analysts to several presidents, Gabe George Bush Sr., and he his daily briefing and under seven presidents for over 27 years presenting the morning intelligence briefings at the White House and he's giving us an intelligence briefing despite the fact that he's doing chemotherapy right now and we really do appreciate him coming on.

00:09:17.000 If I tried to go through the amazing career he's had it would take too long so we'll just go right to him but if you go to Wikipedia they've got a pretty good write up on him.

00:09:26.000 It's pretty Well actually I've been kind of lucky.

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00:09:36.000 Ryan McGovern, thanks for being here.

00:09:38.000 Thanks, Alex.

00:09:39.000 Good to be back with you.

00:09:40.000 Well, we appreciate your time, especially with what you're going through right now.

00:09:43.000 Well, actually, I've been kind of lucky.

00:09:46.000 Aside from the fatigue, the symptoms have been controllable, and I'm looking forward in a couple weeks to getting a clean bill of health.

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00:09:55.000 I've reflected very much on how privileged I am to have the access to medical care that 50 million of my fellow Americans lack, so it's been a kind of wake-up call in many respects for me, Alex.

00:10:10.000 Well, for your age, I remember meeting you in person.

00:10:12.000 You look 20 years younger than you are. 0.60

00:10:14.000 So you're a tough guy.

00:10:18.000 But they're really saying they think you're going to pull through it.

00:10:21.000 Yeah, they've really perfected the art on this kind of lymphoma.

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00:10:32.000 I'm oiling my baseball glove down in the cellar and I'll be ready to go another month.

00:10:37.000 Good, that's fantastic news.

00:10:39.000 Didn't mean to spend too much time on that.

00:10:41.000 You've written a lot of articles analyzing the fact that they may still be planning to attack Iran.

00:10:46.000 Israel said last week, oh yeah, top officials say they're going to attack before Bush leaves.

00:10:50.000 Now can you break down the field and give us an intelligence briefing on what you're being told by sources in D.C.

00:10:57.000 and what we're getting from leaks in the media and from diplomatic sources about what they're planning.

00:11:02.000 Are they going to start a war?

00:11:05.000 Well Alex, it looks pretty clear that the administration, that is Bush and Cheney, very much want to head out after Iran.

00:11:13.000 Head out on Iran. 0.90

00:11:14.000 It would be this time with very little warning.

00:11:18.000 It would be from the air.

00:11:20.000 and from the sea, the missiles on those ships and so forth.

00:11:24.000 And we would, as I say, have very little warning.

00:11:28.000 Now, how it will all start is problematic.

00:11:31.000 It looked very much up until two weeks ago that they had decided, well, since the intelligence says that the Iranians have stopped working on the nuclear weapons-related part of their nuclear program, it's going to be kind of difficult to hit out at a program that it's going to be kind of difficult to hit out at a program that So they switched all the propaganda over to the fact that, quote, or the allegation that, quote,

00:11:58.000 Iranian-supported groups with Iranian weapons, Iranian training, and Iranian funding are killing hundreds of our troops in southern Iraq.

00:12:07.000 And we're going to prove that to you.

00:12:09.000 Now, the rub came when Petraeus and Admiral Mullen, who should know better, promised the Western press on the 25th of April That Petraeus has the goods on these guys, and we're going to have a big display of these weapons, and we're going to destroy them in front of your eyes!

00:12:26.000 And they've done this, like, four or five times last few years, always claiming they've proven Iran did it, and then they always retract very quietly, and the media never makes a big deal about their deception.

00:12:37.000 You know, Alex, that's the big story here.

00:12:39.000 You know, here they tell the media on April 25th that this is coming, and two weeks later, they kind of go, oh, by the way, you know, people have canceled that briefing.

00:12:49.000 And it's become very clear that all these weapons that they captured around Karbala, they couldn't trace one of them to Iranian origin.

00:12:57.000 The best they could do is they found five hand grenades up with the Al-Qaeda types up there in the northern part of Iraq, five hand grenades that can clearly be demonstrated to have been made in Iran. 0.64

00:13:09.000 Give me a break, five hand grenades! 0.99

00:13:11.000 So what's happened here is it's become very embarrassing for the administration to say, Are we talking about these Iranian weapons? 0.67

00:13:21.000 But we can't deliver any, we can't show you any, and Lieberman can ask Petraeus as he did.

00:13:26.000 Is it true to say that hundreds of American servicemen have been killed by Iranian-provided weapons?

00:13:31.000 Yes, sir, says Petraeus.

00:13:33.000 Petraeus doesn't know the difference.

00:13:36.000 I remind you very much of General Westmoreland at the end of the, well, in the middle of the Vietnam War.

00:13:42.000 Westmoreland did not tell the truth, and I'll say that Petraeus does not tell the truth.

00:13:47.000 And this latest bit about Petraeus saying, well, you know, just wait till, you know, the summer.

00:13:52.000 I'll probably recommend withdrawing more troops.

00:13:54.000 Well, how many bait-and-switch things are the American people going to put up with?

00:14:00.000 Petraeus is not to be trusted.

00:14:03.000 And this whole thing about Iran now will reverse, in my view, toward the big lie, which is that Ahmadinejad has threatened to push Israel into the sea, has threatened to destroy Israel.

00:14:17.000 How many times has your president said that?

00:14:19.000 He didn't.

00:14:21.000 Ahmadinejad did not say that.

00:14:23.000 It was a terrible translation of what he did say, and we can go into that later.

00:14:28.000 But the big lie is that Israel is about to be destroyed by the Iranians. 0.83

00:14:33.000 And even though no one, not even the Israelis, say that Iran has a nuclear weapon or is likely to get one in the next year or two, Bush, you know, he's got, what, seven, eight more months.

00:14:45.000 And the Israeli ambassador here in Washington, sometimes they sort of slip and say the truth.

00:14:53.000 Why did?

00:14:55.000 Why did Admiral Fallon really leave?

00:14:58.000 Was that because he refuses to launch a Hitlerian preemptive attack like Hitler did on Poland or Czechoslovakia? 0.52

00:15:06.000 I think that's the core of it, Alex.

00:15:08.000 It's very clear from all those interviews he gave to that Esquire reporter.

00:15:14.000 And that article that came out earlier this year, that he wasn't about to take part in yet another illegal, under international as well as domestic law, illegal war of aggression.

00:15:28.000 Because that's exactly the way Nuremberg, the Nuremberg Tribunal after World War II, defined a preemptive or preventive war.

00:15:37.000 There's nothing in the UN Treaty, there's nothing in the US Congress legislation that That blesses or proves an offense, an invasion, or an attack on a country that does not pose an imminent threat.

00:15:54.000 And there is no one, there is no one who knows anything about Iran who can suggest with a straight face that Iran poses an imminent threat to the United States of America.

00:16:06.000 Do you ever feel like you're waking up in the middle of a twilight zone, that the United States would be the bad guys, and that we would be attacking all these innocent countries and lying, and that we'd have a war criminal president?

00:16:19.000 Well, Alex, it took me a while and my colleagues and veteran intelligence professionals for sanity.

00:16:25.000 It took us a while in 2001, 2002.

00:16:30.000 To kind of be okay with the notion that, hey, we really needed to turn our analytic skills, develop at government expense, at taxpayer expense, on our own leaders.

00:16:42.000 And yes, it is true that they lie a lot.

00:16:44.000 Whoops!

00:16:45.000 And you know, this may be, these lies may be leading up to what Nuremberg called the War of Aggression.

00:16:51.000 We called it three months before.

00:16:53.000 We weren't the only ones.

00:16:54.000 Scott Ritter and others were also sounding the same, the same note.

00:16:59.000 But it happened, and still it was hard for us to believe that our leaders and our former colleagues in the intelligence services would cooperate with this.

00:17:10.000 And yet they all did.

00:17:11.000 But isn't that what's so dangerous, is they did cooperate, now they're not cooperating as much.

00:17:17.000 I'm told the State Department, you know, they're jokingly putting Hitler mustaches on the pictures of somebody of the Bush and the Vice President.

00:17:26.000 But this isn't a joke.

00:17:27.000 I mean, we're dealing with people that have shown that they're willing to, quote, go for it.

00:17:32.000 And, you know, Gulf of Tonkin events, staged events, provocateur events.

00:17:37.000 Are you worried about them trying to stage something?

00:17:40.000 Because I don't see them being able, even in this Alice in Wonderland system, you know, this Tea Party of insanity, to be able to attack Iran without some type of staged provocation.

00:17:51.000 And I'm sure you know, we even talked to him, and he admitted and clarified, Gary Hart told us, that yes, he is afraid the government will stage, blow up a ship, I am, Alex, and I think you're right.

00:18:06.000 Some kind of provocation would be necessary.

00:18:08.000 Now, Fallon, when he was commander of CENTCOM, Very, very strict regulations about what they call encounter engagements.

00:18:20.000 You know, how do you deal with little outboard motorboats that come speeding up to your naval vessel?

00:18:26.000 Do you blow them out of the water or do you try to see if they have any dangerous missiles or anything on them?

00:18:33.000 Well, obviously it's the latter.

00:18:35.000 Now, what is it now?

00:18:37.000 I don't know what it is now, but there is a report that I have seen that the White House has insisted, the next time that happens, that the commander in the Persian Gulf contacted the White House directly, not the Defense Department, to pursue instructions.

00:18:54.000 So that's one danger.

00:18:55.000 With all those ships out there, it could be a legitimate or it could be a manufactured provocation.

00:19:02.000 The other part of it is that the President has rhetorically put himself out on the same kind of limb that he was before Iraq.

00:19:10.000 And the people who have put him out there are the same kinds of folks, Richard Perle, Wolfowitz, and the rest of them, that said then and are saying now, look, Mr. President, you said That you would not ever permit Iran to have a nuclear weapon, and it looks like they may get one, or are you just going to go out of office and suffer the opprobrium of history that would say, oh, big talk, but George Bush took no action?

00:19:35.000 You can't do that, Mr. President.

00:19:37.000 And so, what he has done is gotten this country out of the limb, as if we are automatically pledged to defend Israel if it gets attacked by Iran or anybody else. 0.74

00:19:51.000 And so we've lost the initiative.

00:19:53.000 It's not up to us anymore.

00:19:55.000 It could be Israel that would set this thing off, and that is really troubling. 1.00

00:19:59.000 Stay there.

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00:24:33.000 The wide spectrum analysis of what we're facing today.

00:24:36.000 A, can we stop them from attacking?

00:24:39.000 Because as you said earlier, Israel and others are leaking that they plan to, that's going to happen.

00:24:45.000 Or is that another piece of propaganda?

00:24:47.000 But then we saw the preparations, and then B, if it happens, what are we likely to see happen worldwide with the economy and then militarily, Ray McGovern?

00:24:58.000 Well Alex, can we stop it?

00:25:00.000 We just have to stop it.

00:25:01.000 I don't know what it's going to take.

00:25:04.000 The supreme hurdle, of course, is the captive press, the corporate dominated press that will not tell Americans the real story.

00:25:13.000 But there have to be ways, there have to be imaginative ways, ways that you use and other commentators to get the word out that really there is no threat from Iran, and that this is all a sort of manufactured kind of threat of the same kind we saw prior to the attack on Iraq.

00:25:32.000 I, as you know, have made a kind of a college try to get Admiral Fallon to realize that it's not enough just to resign.

00:25:41.000 He needs to tell the American people.

00:25:43.000 I mean, I'm sure that he's lost many sleepless nights thinking about what would happen if we attacked Iran from the air. 0.61

00:25:51.000 No, these guys in the blue suits, you know, they say, well, hey, we can just, we can do it surgically and everything will be fine.

00:25:58.000 Well, they never have to deal with the aftermath.

00:26:00.000 You know what the aftermath could involve?

00:26:02.000 It could involve cutting the supply lines between Kuwait and Baghdad that are vital to supplying our troops in Iraq, of which there are about 140,000 right now.

00:26:15.000 Now, if Iran can do that, and it can do that very readily, we would have the prospect, Alex, of having not, you know, 52 hostages in some embassy this time, but 52,000 U.S. 0.59

00:26:27.000 servicemen cut off from their supply lines, taken in effect as hostages by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

00:26:33.000 Do we want that?

00:26:34.000 Well, Fallon certainly didn't want that. 0.66

00:26:37.000 Did he think he might be ordered?

00:26:38.000 To do something that would lead to that?

00:26:40.000 He did.

00:26:41.000 He saw who was calling the shots in the White House.

00:26:43.000 It's Elliott Abrams.

00:26:45.000 It's Dick Cheney.

00:26:46.000 It's not anybody else.

00:26:47.000 Who, by the way, are chicken hawks.

00:26:50.000 When Secretary of the Army, who was an Enron crook, I'm not defending him, White said, 500,000 troops, they said you're fired.

00:26:58.000 This does have, in my mind, images of Hitler in the bunker, commanding armies that didn't exist.

00:27:05.000 Well, you know, as many have pointed out, especially Andrew Bukiewicz, the Boston University professor who is the best on this subject, you know, there aren't any troops.

00:27:16.000 You know, it was the same in Vietnam, Alex.

00:27:19.000 The fellas in the blue suits, you know, they want a piece of the action.

00:27:22.000 So these generals from the Air Force come to Cheney and Bush and say, you know, hey, we have these smart bombs, we have these stealth bombers.

00:27:29.000 Nobody gets shot down this time.

00:27:31.000 We can knock out half of the Iranian nuclear facilities one night, second half the next night. 0.99

00:27:37.000 Just let us do it, you know?

00:27:39.000 Well, again, You know, I'm showing my prejudice here, having been an army infantry officer, okay?

00:27:45.000 They never have to fight the enemy.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, they really... it's sort of... sort of distant.

00:27:50.000 It's kind of, you know, you drop the bombs, you say, well, you know, they're well-guided, and you never see the aftermath.

00:27:54.000 You don't see the people who are killed.

00:27:56.000 You don't see collateral damage.

00:27:58.000 You don't see the damage that that does to us, and the insurgence that that cultivates or grows automatically.

00:28:04.000 So, what I'm afraid of is that the Cheney and Bush, before they leave, They really have not been held accountable for anything.

00:28:12.000 And since Bush, at least, is an incredibly risk-taking person, and since he seems to have made a promise... Yeah, the word, sir, unless you disagree, is extremely reckless.

00:28:24.000 Reckless is the word, yeah.

00:28:26.000 And if he feels, as he seems to, that he's made this promise to Israel that he would deliver Israel from this evil... You know, the vocabulary itself, Alex, give me a pause.

00:28:38.000 I think, you know, not until this regime has, as the American administration talked about, good and evil in the apocalyptic, you know, in the kind of sense that these people have been using.

00:28:52.000 Well, we know they're playing off of their minions in a really sadistic, mean way.

00:28:58.000 Some people who, you know, I guess want the end of the world, but this is, I guess they really are making it apocalyptic then.

00:29:05.000 Well, it will be, whether they realize that or not.

00:29:08.000 And that's the rub, because Fallon was smart enough to realize what this could mean.

00:29:13.000 And I just used one example, Alex.

00:29:16.000 I mean, the other things they could do is actually attack Israel with missiles.

00:29:21.000 They can hit the oil wellheads in the Gulf and put a lot of them.

00:29:26.000 And we'll be paying not $4 a gallon, we'll be paying $10 a gallon automatically.

00:29:31.000 They can do all these things, and I'm just wondering if anyone in the very tight circle that is advising Bush and Cheney, whether they have the guts to tell Bush that.

00:29:42.000 I mean, do you remember just two months ago when the press said, Mr. President, what do you think about the possibility of $4 a gallon oil?

00:29:50.000 Stay there, stay there.

00:29:50.000 Ray McGovern, senior former CIA analyst.

00:29:54.000 We'll be back.

00:29:54.000 We've got a long segment, sir.

00:29:55.000 Plenty of time to get into this.

00:29:57.000 Thanks for being with us.

00:29:57.000 Stay there.

00:29:58.000 We'll be right back.

00:30:00.000 We're on the march.

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00:30:04.000 Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:30:10.000 It is a big idea.

00:30:12.000 A new world order.

00:30:14.000 In the near future, Earth is dominated by powerful world governments.

00:30:19.000 It's known as the Builder.

00:30:22.000 Stay there, stay there.

00:30:23.000 Ray McGovern, a senior, a former CIA analyst.

00:30:26.000 We'll be back.

00:30:27.000 We've got a long segment, sir.

00:30:28.000 Plenty of time to get into this.

00:30:29.000 Thanks for being with us.

00:30:30.000 Stay there.

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00:32:40.000 Wake up, Protestant America. 0.99

00:32:43.000 There is an ecumenical movement now being planned to join church and state.

00:32:46.000 This confederation of evangelicals, Catholics, and Protestant denominations will form one huge political voting bloc.

00:32:52.000 Their agenda is enforcement of religious worship and morality by legislation.

00:32:57.000 Our forefathers wrote the Bill of Rights to guarantee all Americans this freedom, liberty of conscience.

00:33:01.000 History and the Bible proved to them that these two systems, church and state, must be kept separate. 0.63

00:33:06.000 It must be our love of God and of country that prompts or constrains us.

00:33:10.000 This will change the character, not civil enforcement.

00:33:12.000 From history, we saw that when church and state united, known as Papal Rome, religious intolerance resulted.

00:33:18.000 This union would go directly contrary to the great principles of our nation.

00:33:22.000 This union would go directly to the great principles of our nation.

00:33:43.000 Ray McGovern, top CIA analyst and multiple presidents, combat infantry commander of Vietnam, outspoken individual who's been criticizing.

00:34:12.000 We have this clip we can play of him confronting Rumsfeld about his lies, and there's all this media there, and none of them will do it, and they still really won't.

00:34:23.000 And then about a month ago, Ray McGovern, you may have seen it, there was a clip with the good looking front lady they use for the presidential spokesperson, the press secretary, and they come up to her and they say, is it true the dollar being devalued is making oil prices go up?

00:34:41.000 And of course that's part of it.

00:34:43.000 The instability makes the speculation as well.

00:34:46.000 Are they going to blow the Middle East to pieces and so oil's up? 1.00

00:34:49.000 That's part of it.

00:34:49.000 But mainly dollar devaluation.

00:34:51.000 Is it true that's why oil's so much?

00:34:54.000 She just said, I can't comment on that.

00:34:55.000 I'll be fired if I do.

00:34:59.000 She said that like three times.

00:35:00.000 I mean that shows Just to me, that there's not a lot of connection between the Press Secretary and the President or the Vice President, and it shows kind of like a crying out for help.

00:35:13.000 I mean, the way she looked and the way she was saying it, and Ari Fleischer before saying, yeah, they put out fake terror alerts for political purposes and then they removed him the next day.

00:35:24.000 I mean, I'm seeing just a lot of really bad signs, because to have an evil government's one thing, that's bad.

00:35:30.000 But to have one that's out of control and delusional, and I'm seeing, just as a layman, but I've studied quite a bit, you know, history, I'm getting a lot of signals that things are out of control.

00:35:42.000 Do you have any comments on that?

00:35:45.000 Well, I agree, Alex.

00:35:48.000 And the situation is very much similar to that before of the attack on Iraq.

00:35:54.000 On the day that Colin Powell spoke at the UN, we veteran intelligence professionals for sanity issued our first corporate memorandum.

00:36:03.000 We finished up by saying, Mr. President, we strongly advise that you broaden the circle of your advisors beyond those already bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be Catastrophic.

00:36:20.000 Now, we could see at that point in time that the key was this little tight circle of advisors, of whom only Colin Powell knew which end was up, really, and we know what he was worth in the final analysis.

00:36:34.000 And now, where we have an even tighter circle, where we know the President doesn't read the newspapers, Dana Perino says, well, you know, I can't answer that because I'll be fired.

00:36:44.000 And then when the President himself, as I started to mention before, two months ago when he gets up before a press conference, somebody said, well, what do you think about the prospect of maybe $4 a gallon?

00:36:54.000 And he looked shocked.

00:36:55.000 He said, well, wait a second.

00:36:56.000 Where'd you get that?

00:36:58.000 And it had been in the news, like, for the week previous.

00:37:01.000 Well, I'll have to ask my advisors about that, because that's the first I heard about this.

00:37:05.000 Well, what are you paying at the pump now, Alex?

00:37:07.000 Four dollars, right?

00:37:08.000 Yeah, four dollars.

00:37:09.000 So the guy is detached from reality, he's uninformed, and we know, we know, that Cheney is able to keep the information flow to him and away from him.

00:37:19.000 So, what he's being told with respect to weapons from Iran and southern Iraq, for example, Twelve days after it was clear that those recent charges by Petraeus and others were bogus, the President is still telling the world openly that we're catching them, we're catching those guys, giving those weapons to Iranian insurgents, and when we get them, we're going to get them.

00:37:44.000 You know, we're going to pursue them.

00:37:45.000 Well that brings me to my next question, and I know you follow the news, I'm glad you did pick up on that White House Press Secretary story, because that was just amazing to me, and there's so many other indicators that are the same, or similar, and that was a month ago, whenever McCain was in Baghdad, and then surrounding capitals of other countries, and he kept saying, Iran is funding Al-Qaeda, Iran is Al-Qaeda, I mean, everybody knows they're Shiites.

00:38:12.000 I mean, that's the opposite warring faction, you know, the two main branches of Islam.

00:38:17.000 And then Sy Hersh four years ago, and then the White House last year admitted that they're funding three different Wahhabist groups attacking.

00:38:24.000 One of them headed up with a number three in Al-Qaeda.

00:38:27.000 And so here's our government, or the executive, funding Al-Qaeda to attack and blow up mosques and shoot people, and Iran's suing us over it. 0.53

00:38:36.000 And then, meanwhile, but then McCain comes back and in a Senate Armed Services Committee says to Petraeus, I mean, Petraeus, excuse me, I just love the nickname Petraeus, and says, isn't it true that Iran funds Al-Qaeda?

00:38:50.000 And he said, yes, they're Al-Qaeda.

00:38:52.000 I mean, this is, this is, the propaganda is insane!

00:38:56.000 Yeah, the problem is that normal Americans, you know, they kick their shoes off in the evening and tune into Fox News and they think they're getting the straight story.

00:39:07.000 We have to find imaginative ways to grab them by the collar, these phonies, and say, look, look, Petraeus told us last October that there is absolutely no doubt that Iranians are funding, supporting, giving weapons to, and training these insurgents in southern Iraq. 0.94

00:39:26.000 Well, what proof has he of that?

00:39:28.000 He has none.

00:39:29.000 And this last fiasco, which the mainstream press just kind of, you know, ignored for two weeks, Here's the mainstream press told, hey, we're going to have a big press conference.

00:39:40.000 We're going to show you those Iranian weapons. 0.96

00:39:42.000 Two weeks later, well, it's been cancelled.

00:39:44.000 No story there?

00:39:45.000 Give me one break.

00:39:47.000 In some respects, Alex, the captive press here, the controlled press, is more controlled now than in the lead-up to the war in Iraq.

00:39:55.000 Well here's an example.

00:39:57.000 They're having a 125 world leaders meet to set a lot of policy at the Bilderberg group coming up in Chantilly outside DC through the 5th through the 8th I'll be going and just six, seven years ago the media said it didn't exist.

00:40:11.000 Now they admit that a lot of policy gets set there and the Logan Act gets violated and things like that happen.

00:40:17.000 But we have from inside Bilderberg, they don't normally meet in the US but every five years they're meeting here in North America again Because they're saying we have the most controlled press and that the police will ban protest.

00:40:31.000 And so now elites are meeting here because we have less freedoms than Europe.

00:40:36.000 I mean, that's something else that's just amazing to me that this type of stuff is going on.

00:40:43.000 You know, Alex, the parallel with Europe is very unsettling.

00:40:50.000 If you look at the parallel between the burning of the Reichstag, the German Parliament in 1933, and what happened at 9-11, you can see that the Germans reacted to that in a very, very passive way.

00:41:06.000 They said, well, you know, if terrorists, and that was the word used.

00:41:11.000 These particular terrorists were accused of being communists, but it was, if terrorists burn the Reichstag down, then we accept as a matter of course that our telephone calls will be intercepted, that our desks will be broken into, that a mail will be read.

00:41:28.000 It's just, you know, all the duty, all the responsibilities the government had toward us and the Constitution, well, they can be put in abeyance.

00:41:35.000 Now, we know what happened.

00:41:37.000 That was 1933, and Hitler was able to hold his way for the next few years against this passivity. 0.89

00:41:44.000 And what we have in our country is very similar today.

00:41:47.000 Ask your neighbor, do you mind if your telephone calls are being monitored?

00:41:51.000 And you know what they'll say?

00:41:52.000 Well, you know what they'll say.

00:41:53.000 They'll say, well, I don't mind, because I'm not talking to Osama bin Laden.

00:41:59.000 They don't understand that they've used the Patriot Act hundreds of thousands of times in non-terror related.

00:42:04.000 They don't understand that the greatest threat isn't some guys in a cave, even if the 9-11 attacks were really orchestrated by them.

00:42:11.000 Hypothetically, the greater threat is giving up our whole way of life for something that you have a better chance of dying from a peanut allergy or being struck by lightning or drowning.

00:42:22.000 Well, yes I can.

00:42:22.000 then you do have been killed by a terrorist, and now they're training the Austin police and Albuquerque police and other police.

00:42:28.000 The feds are in roadside bomb detection.

00:42:31.000 I mean, it's a hoax.

00:42:33.000 Can you speak to that?

00:42:34.000 Well, yes, I can.

00:42:36.000 Just take the eavesdropping here, which is probably going on as you and I speak, so to speak.

00:42:42.000 Oh, no doubt.

00:42:43.000 Now, you know, people need to know that the very reason that the FISA law, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, was put into effect in 1978, was to prevent the kind of thing that J. Edgar Hoover was doing as a matter of course, not only to citizens like us, but to senators, to presidents, okay?

00:43:05.000 Now, you neighbor may not care if your phone is being tapped, but do you care if Nancy Pelosi's phone is being tapped?

00:43:13.000 Do you care if other Democratic leaders are candidates, if their funds are being taxed?

00:43:18.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

00:43:18.000 This is not hypothetical. 0.95

00:43:20.000 It's come out that Nixon, obviously, and Clinton, and now Bush Sr., and all of them spy on each other.

00:43:26.000 But to give a monolithic homeland security, boy how fascist is that, the power to spy, it just came out that MI6 and MI5 Tony Blair has had them spying on the House of Commons and Lords for political power, and they've been using it to burn their enemies.

00:43:47.000 We know they're going to do that, and that gives the executive incredible power to set up a dictatorship.

00:43:53.000 Please comment on that.

00:43:54.000 Well, that's exactly why they put that law in, and that's exactly why Bush and Cheney decided to circumvent that law.

00:44:03.000 Take this General Michael Hayden, okay?

00:44:06.000 He's head of the National Security Agency, and the President, who actually was Cheney, goes to him and says, now we know that the first commandment over there at NSA is, thou shalt not eavesdrop on Americans, but we got this terrorist threat now, and we're going to do precisely that.

00:44:21.000 Are you on our team, General Hayden?

00:44:21.000 Are you with us?

00:44:24.000 Now, one of General Hayden's predecessors told me that his saying yes to that, he should have been court-martialed.

00:44:32.000 Because that's a violation of the law, that's a violation of the Supreme Law, and that he should have been court-martialed.

00:44:38.000 Instead, he said, well, yeah, I suppose I could do that.

00:44:42.000 Let me stop you again! 1.00

00:44:43.000 They always escalate, they always push the envelope until there's nothing holding back anything now.

00:44:50.000 That's not hyperbole that he should be court-martialed arrested.

00:44:53.000 They're having to go back and pass laws, which themselves are unconstitutional, retroactively, so all these companies and people don't go to jail.

00:45:02.000 Go ahead.

00:45:03.000 Yeah, well, that of course is a great danger.

00:45:05.000 I'm delighted that for once, for the one and only time recently, the Democrats have been able to prevent that from happening so far.

00:45:14.000 But you know, that's just one of these retroactive immunity things.

00:45:17.000 The thing that bothers me the most is the President forcing Congress, just before the Congress changed hands, to give him and all his minions retroactive immunity for torture.

00:45:30.000 And that came in the so-called Military Commissions Act, signed in October of 1996, just before Congress changed.

00:45:38.000 And what it did was say, well, whatever the President or others have done with respect to torture, well, they shall be held harmless, just like they're trying to hold harmless the telecommunications giant.

00:45:50.000 And then once that precedent set, you have the furor precept of what Nixon said.

00:45:55.000 He said it's not illegal when the President does it.

00:45:59.000 Well, it used to be, and unless we get some spine into congressmen, unless we get a wholesale change, and, you know, it's dubious, but at least we'll get some change coming early next year.

00:46:10.000 You know, there's not much hope for us.

00:46:12.000 That's why my focus is right now on preventing a new war, because the new war, you know, one of their calculations could well be, Alex, that the new war could help John McCain become president.

00:46:23.000 That is scary.

00:46:25.000 Yeah, he's got post-traumatic stress disorder.

00:46:27.000 He flies off the handle for no reason.

00:46:30.000 They say it's been reported multiple times daily.

00:46:34.000 It's one thing to have a hot head if you're a talk show host, but I don't think you should be president.

00:46:39.000 Now, I want to run through a couple of quick questions here with you.

00:46:43.000 What do other, not just people in your Veterans Intelligence Group for sanity, but when you talk to other colleagues and other people you worked with in the NSA, CIA, Defense Intelligence, you know, being in and around all those people, I mean, are they...

00:46:58.000 I'm getting a sense from just reading and talking to people and other guests that the government finally is freaked out and says, man, it's one thing to be corrupt and one thing to be out of control in a big government, but it's another thing to really be the bad guys, and that they now see that the whole system may be wrecked by these people.

00:47:17.000 Well, there is that sense.

00:47:18.000 The question is how much power they could wield.

00:47:22.000 And without the press to replay their stories, that power is minimal.

00:47:27.000 Now, I take some great encouragement from the fact that there are some people with integrity still working in the analytics section of the CIA.

00:47:35.000 I'm not talking about the torturers now, I'm talking about the people who are trying to speak truth to power.

00:47:40.000 For these guys to come up and have, blessed by their superiors, a national intelligence estimate that goes 180 degrees betwixt what Bush and Cheney were saying about Iran's intentions to build a nuclear weapon, as they did in December of last year.

00:47:56.000 That was true rebellion against the tyranny.

00:47:58.000 I mean, that is a big split in the government to have the official estimates say, no, there's no WMDs, no, there's no war, no, we don't need a war.

00:48:05.000 Yeah, so there's that underlying basis of integrity, but even that has been eroded.

00:48:16.000 Their leaders, McConnell, the head of national intelligence, and this despicable guy, Hayden, I mean, he makes a big speech out in Oklahoma and he says, well now it's my personal opinion, it's my personal opinion, that Iran is hell-bent on getting a nuclear weapon.

00:48:33.000 Who cares about his personal opinion?

00:48:35.000 If the whole intelligence community, 16 agencies, says Iran stopped trying to do a nuclear weapons related part of this program in 2003, who cares about Hayden's personal opinion?

00:48:49.000 And it's all been inspected.

00:48:50.000 They've been over the barrel.

00:48:52.000 They let him in.

00:48:53.000 I don't usually get into a book's cover, but I've watched a lot of hearings with Hayden and seen a lot of him and seen him compared to the same type of person.

00:49:02.000 And I don't normally loathe people.

00:49:04.000 Like, I don't even loathe George Bush.

00:49:05.000 I don't like him. 0.98

00:49:06.000 But there's something loathsome and something weak and chicken-necked and despotic about him and Richard Perle. 0.81

00:49:14.000 They seem like two peas in a pod. 0.91

00:49:16.000 Well, you know, what we have there is a Martinet.

00:49:18.000 The Fourth Amendment means we can do whatever we say is reasonable.

00:49:22.000 I mean, going against all of the precedent, all of common law, all of our tradition, to just tell huge rooms of reporters and lawyers, no, we're allowed to spy on whoever we want without a warrant.

00:49:33.000 I mean, he is, I pray I see him go to prison.

00:49:37.000 Well, you know, what we have there is a Martinet.

00:49:41.000 He's got four stars on his shoulder.

00:49:44.000 And unfortunately, the way you get one star these days is to just salute very smartly and say, wonderful idea to the next guy up.

00:49:52.000 And so he's the example of the worst.

00:49:55.000 And, you know, there are lots of things that could be adjusted.

00:49:59.000 Let me just tell you one little true story here.

00:50:01.000 After I questioned Rumsfeld down there in Atlanta, I was invited up to the Lou Dobbs Show in New York, okay, so I'm waiting to go on, and it was the period in which Hayden had been nominated to be head of the CIA.

00:50:15.000 Now, I had read something indicating that Bobby Inman, the great Bobby Ray Inman, who I've enjoyed so much respect as head of NSA at one point, and who was there when the FISA law was constructed and had a big hand in constructing it, that at the New York Public Library two nights before he had said, Hayden clearly did something illegal here, he knows better than anyone that the FISA law prohibited what he was doing.

00:50:39.000 It was a very sorrowful thing.

00:50:40.000 That's what Inman told the New York Public Library.

00:50:44.000 What happens next?

00:50:45.000 He arrives at Lou Dobbs' show, goes on before me, cuts in ahead of me, puts on a tie.

00:50:51.000 Dobbs says, what do you think of Hayden?

00:50:53.000 And so I think he's supremely qualified for the job.

00:50:56.000 I was on next, and had I had the time, I would have... Ray McGovern, stay there.

00:51:01.000 We're on TV on one end of this, so we're going to keep talking during the break.

00:51:06.000 We'll be back for everybody else in three minutes.

00:51:07.000 Got to go to the Info Wars streams to hear this.

00:51:11.000 Okay, Ray, Mr. McGovern, we've got five minutes on the other end, but I want to talk behind the scenes right now for folks that are watching on PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:51:19.000 Continue with that story.

00:51:21.000 Okay, well, what happens is, you know, he storms in there, somebody gives him a tie, he goes on before me, and he comes out five minutes later, and I'm watching it on the screen, and Lou Dobbs says, what do you think of General Mike Hayden to be the next CIA Director?

00:51:37.000 Now, two days Not even two days after he said in public at the New York Public Library that Hayden knew what he was doing.

00:51:44.000 He violated the law.

00:51:45.000 He says to Lou Dobbs, extremely well qualified.

00:51:49.000 I know him real well.

00:51:52.000 Really great man for the job.

00:51:54.000 Now, if you can't trust Bobby Ray Inman, who's sort of the paragon of trustfulness among the retired general or admiral corps, you can't trust anybody.

00:52:04.000 And what is Inman doing?

00:52:07.000 It's a misguided notion of professional courtesy.

00:52:10.000 You know, these generals, these admirals, they've been so kind of molded into this sort of Martinet kind of atmosphere, That they're all in it together and will defend each other even though no one knew better than Bobby Ray Inman, the co-author of the FISA law that Hayden had deliberately violated and should have been, as one of the other previous heads of the NSA said, he should have been court-martialed rather than nominated to be head of the CIA.

00:52:37.000 So that was a big deal to have Fox Fallon tell one of the biggest magazines in the country, Esquire, that they were planning to go to war and he thought it was a bad idea.

00:52:46.000 And then they basically told him to resign, as they do.

00:52:49.000 I mean, that was a big deal.

00:52:50.000 And to have the CIA finally come out and do something right for a change and say, no, there's no threat, that's got to really upset the neocons.

00:52:59.000 But it seems like it's only emboldened them because they know that if they can go ahead and stage something before they leave, As you said, that might boost their approval rating for a while, or maybe even, like you said, get the warmonger McCain into power.

00:53:16.000 Well, that's what they're calculating, and they only have a few months left to do it.

00:53:21.000 Now, the question is, as I started to say before, the initiative really lies with the Israelis at this point.

00:53:28.000 They're quite capable.

00:53:29.000 They're quite capable of a false flag operation.

00:53:33.000 They're quite capable of sinking one of our ships in the Gulf.

00:53:36.000 Now, people say, how can you say that, Ray?

00:53:39.000 Well, go back to June 8, 1967.

00:53:42.000 I'll tell you what, Mr. McGovern, we've only got five minutes on the other side.

00:53:51.000 I want you to be able to talk about this.

00:53:53.000 Can I hold you five more into the next hour so you have time to talk about that?

00:53:58.000 Okay, okay.

00:53:58.000 No problem.

00:53:59.000 Guys, call the next guest and move them back.

00:54:02.000 Okay, just let them know it's five minutes later.

00:54:05.000 Okay, we're going live on the main network right now.

00:54:06.000 I was talking behind the scenes for PrisonPlanet.TV viewers with Ray McGovern, and he dropped a bombshell on me.

00:54:22.000 He said, and our viewers, he said that It's really up to Israel right now on whether there's going to be an attack on Iran or not, both in the lobby and with things militarily that Israel does.

00:54:35.000 They could even go back into Lebanon and claim that's a threat to them.

00:54:38.000 I mean, anything could happen.

00:54:39.000 And he said, and Israel could stage a false flag.

00:54:42.000 Now, you then talked about the USS Liberty.

00:54:44.000 I want you to be able to elaborate on that.

00:54:46.000 You're in a little over five minutes into the next hour, so we have time.

00:54:51.000 I mean, that is an amazing statement.

00:54:53.000 I remember in the Washington Post, the week before 9-11, there was a Pentagon analysis saying we're worried Israel could stage a false flag to get us into a war in the Middle East.

00:55:05.000 Can you speak to that?

00:55:07.000 Well, yes.

00:55:08.000 You know, it seems terribly cynical to suggest that what the President calls, quote, our ally, end quote, Israel, would do something like that.

00:55:19.000 First off, your listeners should realize that in a juridical sense, there is no defense treaty with Israel.

00:55:25.000 They are not our ally in any real sense of the term.

00:55:29.000 You know, morally and so forth, they have begun, but that's not an obligation on our part to defend them.

00:55:35.000 But that's sort of an academic point, as the President has promised to do precisely that.

00:55:39.000 Plus, they've got one of the biggest militaries in the world and 400 nukes.

00:55:43.000 Yeah, you know, one boggles the so-called threat from one nuke from Iran, when they have 400. 0.98

00:55:49.000 But the situation...

00:55:54.000 I think people really need to remember is that on the June 8, 1967, in the middle of that first war with the Arabs, the Israeli planes and torpedo boats did their damnedest to sink the USS Liberty, knowing full well that it was a U.S.

00:56:13.000 naval ship.

00:56:14.000 They killed 34 of the Liberty's crew and wounded over 170.

00:56:19.000 Now, we have their intercepted messages.

00:56:21.000 There's an American flag on that.

00:56:25.000 Attack it. 0.92

00:56:26.000 You know?

00:56:26.000 We have the intercepted messages.

00:56:27.000 There's no doubt.

00:56:29.000 And by the way, they'd always denied that, and now as you said last year, NSA released the intercepts, what, we'd already had pilots come public and say they refused three times and were ordered, you attack and sink that American ship.

00:56:40.000 Go ahead, sir.

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 So, you know, what's important for listeners to understand There's no doubt that it was deliberate.

00:56:48.000 Now, why they would do such a thing?

00:56:50.000 There are some very cogent theories.

00:56:53.000 That's not clear.

00:56:54.000 In other words, there is some question as to why they would do that.

00:56:58.000 That they did it, there's no question about it.

00:57:01.000 And one of the things listeners should also know is that the Navy, the Congress, LBJ, McNamara, everyone covered it up for decades.

00:57:11.000 And finally, a book was written by a fellow named Jay Kristol that espoused the Israeli version of, oh, this is just a terrible mistake.

00:57:20.000 And guess who endorsed that book?

00:57:22.000 The younger John McCain, his father having been responsible for a bogus investigation of the incident itself.

00:57:30.000 Now, I'm not saying the sins of the father should be visited on the son.

00:57:33.000 I am saying that John McCain, Jr., in a crass appeal to the lobby, I endorse the conclusions of this book, which are clearly bogus, and which the NSA intercepts now released show are completely bogus.

00:57:49.000 The veterans, such as the ones that survived the USS Liberty, deserve better, and their story needs to be told.

00:57:57.000 Why?

00:57:57.000 Because it was on June 8, 1967, and subsequent years, that the Israeli government was persuaded, for good reason, That they could literally get away with murder, and our Congress, and our Executive, and even our Navy would not say anything about it.

00:58:18.000 That is a very, very dangerous position to be in, and beware of what might happen in the Gulf.

00:58:25.000 Ray McGovern.

00:58:26.000 We'll be back in 70 seconds for the final segment.

00:58:29.000 Ray McGovern battling lymphoma cancer.

00:58:31.000 Everybody should pray for him.

00:58:34.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

00:58:37.000 Boy, very bold today, and this amazing discussion.

00:58:41.000 Final segment with him.

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01:00:05.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:00:07.000 He did the morning briefings for multiple U.S.

01:00:20.000 Presidents, including the President's father.

01:00:22.000 Which means he's a CIA analyst.

01:00:25.000 They have different types.

01:00:26.000 He's the one that integrated all the big threats together for a large picture.

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01:00:41.000 We've got about five minutes left with him.

01:00:43.000 Ray McGovern, you were just bringing up Israel, staging a false flag.

01:00:46.000 That is the elements that control Israel at the time. 0.73

01:00:49.000 What is going on with Israel?

01:00:51.000 I mean, they're endangering the whole world.

01:00:52.000 The elite seems to be totally power-mad.

01:00:56.000 They want to get rid of Iran, when Iran has tried to be friends with them, going back for 50 years, when they could certainly work things out. 0.98

01:01:04.000 Every time there's moderate moolahs in control, they seem to freak out even more. 1.00

01:01:08.000 I mean, what is this?

01:01:11.000 Is this just overconfidence?

01:01:14.000 I mean, why?

01:01:14.000 Well, you know, Alex, I think part of their problem is us.

01:01:20.000 You know, I'm talking about Elliott Abrams, arch neoconservative, convicted convict for lying to Congress during the Iran-Contra, and yet running our foreign policy out of the White House, our foreign policy toward that part of the world.

01:01:34.000 What we're talking about here is a kind of delusional, extremist fringe.

01:01:40.000 Cheney, Abrams are running this thing.

01:01:43.000 Now, they have counterparts in Israel. 0.96

01:01:45.000 Again, extremist, kind of lunatic fringe. 0.78

01:01:49.000 Not the majority, not only of the Israelis, but the Israeli government.

01:01:53.000 And yet, you know, they're being, sort of, egging each other on, thinking, well, we only have seven, eight months left of George W. Bush, we've got to exploit his... And we could be kings, we could start World War III and then be the kings, and then remake the world, like after World War II, and we can fix it all.

01:02:10.000 I was just about to say, it seems like they egg each other on, like a group of hunting dogs that get each other really excited.

01:02:15.000 You ever seen that?

01:02:17.000 Well, exactly.

01:02:17.000 Now, what I'm saying here is that this is an incredibly myopic I care a lot about Israel, okay?

01:02:25.000 And most of the Israelis, I dare say most of them, realize that this is a very myopic policy. 0.53

01:02:32.000 You know, attacking Lebanon as they did two summers ago, that was crazy! 1.00

01:02:36.000 They lost, okay?

01:02:38.000 Now Hezbollah is more powerful in Lebanon than ever before, and instead of having a multi-confessional government on their border, they're going to have a very hostile government. 0.74

01:02:48.000 Similarly, now, they're talking with Syria.

01:02:51.000 Elliott Abrams doesn't like that.

01:02:54.000 So, there are some sensible folks in Israel that have started dealing with these folks as a sort of half measure.

01:03:02.000 So what do you think is going to happen?

01:03:03.000 We've only got two minutes left.

01:03:04.000 What do you think is going to happen?

01:03:06.000 Well, I think that unless somebody puts a spoke in the juggernaut toward war, that we will be bombing and missile attacking from our naval ships, Iran, within the next two months. 0.96

01:03:20.000 So you think that's the window, the next two to three months?

01:03:23.000 Well, that's a guess, okay?

01:03:27.000 More than 50% confident it's going to happen when it happens, you know.

01:03:31.000 Maybe God doesn't even know.

01:03:33.000 But the problem is, you know, when you have people like Conyers or Pelosi or other people saying, oh, okay, well, if you tax Iran, then we might think about impeaching them.

01:03:43.000 Well, give me a break, you know?

01:03:45.000 That won't happen once the war started.

01:03:47.000 Right!

01:03:47.000 I mean, isn't this failing forward, where they know if they get us in a big enough tar baby, Americans will go, man, it doesn't matter if gas is $10 a gallon, we gotta do this for America.

01:03:58.000 We're getting our ass kicked by the Iranians, because the Iranians are going to have the high ground if they counter-strike. 1.00

01:04:04.000 Great, and so we have kind of the one candidate who wants to bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. 0.99

01:04:09.000 You know, they may actually think that this could help that candidate. 0.72

01:04:14.000 And then they've got the obliterate candidate.

01:04:18.000 Well, you know, yeah, it's going to be interesting these next couple of... I think everyone needs to do something more than they have before, Alex.

01:04:27.000 Go not only talk to, but occupy your congressmen and your congresswomen's or your senators' offices.

01:04:33.000 Make sure they realize You know, for Pelosi and Conyers to say, well, now we'll impeach, that indicates they have no idea, whatever, of what a war with Iran would... We haven't even talked about the terrorist threat.

01:04:45.000 I mean, the terrorist threat from Iran, you know, makes al-Qaeda look like Mount Sinai in terms of the damage they can do worldwide. 0.71

01:04:53.000 Well, well, well, Ray, I mean, I don't want to take up more of your time.

01:04:56.000 If you want to come back for five more minutes on the other side and tell people that's fine, or if you've got to go, we can have you back next week.

01:05:02.000 Oh, five minutes I can do, Alex.

01:05:03.000 Okay, we'll be back in three minutes.

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01:05:07.000 Be right back, Ray, in three minutes.

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01:08:33.000 Brett McGovern, I want to get into Iran, but just briefly, I go out to a protest now, or I go out to even videotape on a street corner, and cops all over the country come over and say, turn it off, get out of here.

01:08:45.000 I could go to a third world country.

01:08:48.000 And they don't do that.

01:08:49.000 And I've been to Latin American third world countries, European third world countries.

01:08:53.000 I mean, I don't think Americans realize how they've moved us into martial law light. 0.70

01:08:59.000 How things have changed.

01:09:00.000 How the federal government was able to instruct locals to do that.

01:09:04.000 How this hysteria had done that.

01:09:08.000 Do you have any comments on that?

01:09:10.000 Well, I do Alex.

01:09:11.000 You talk about martial law light.

01:09:13.000 Well, if anyone's looking for martial law Heavy, or black. 0.91

01:09:20.000 Just wait until we strike Iran. 0.99

01:09:23.000 If and when we strike Iran from the air, they can do, in addition to the things I've already mentioned, the kind of worldwide terrorism that would, as I started to say, make Al-Qaeda look like, you know, the Mount St. 0.98

01:09:38.000 Ursula volleyball team.

01:09:40.000 I mean, the Iranians have a worldwide capability to do real, real terrorism. 1.00

01:09:45.000 And you can fully expect that if this happens.

01:09:48.000 Now, what are we likely to see in the next few weeks?

01:09:52.000 I think that it's going to be real hard for the Americans to come up, the American military, to come up with enough Iranian weapons to insert into southern Iraq and say, well, we found them.

01:10:02.000 You know why?

01:10:03.000 Because the Iraqis are not cooperating. 1.00

01:10:05.000 The Iraqis are talking to the Iranians, and the Iraqi leaders are saying, look, We want evidence.

01:10:10.000 We don't want speculation about Iranian weapons.

01:10:13.000 So what are they going to do?

01:10:14.000 They're going to resort to the big lie.

01:10:16.000 The big lie is the claim that Iranians president had threatened to, quote, wipe Israel off the map.

01:10:22.000 He didn't say that, folks.

01:10:24.000 What did he say?

01:10:25.000 He said, quote, I'll say that again.

01:10:27.000 He was quoting Khomeini, okay?

01:10:41.000 What is he saying?

01:10:42.000 He's saying that the regime occupying Jerusalem and the occupied territories for the last 40 years, more years than the Soviets have occupied Eastern Europe, should vanish from the pages of time.

01:10:53.000 I agree with that.

01:10:55.000 I agree with that.

01:10:56.000 I think they should obey the UN Resolution 242.

01:10:59.000 Which we voted for back in 1967.

01:11:01.000 So it's a big lie to say that what Ahmadinejad was saying, that he's going to wipe Israel off the map, or as the President so often says, threaten to destroy Israel.

01:11:12.000 He has done nothing of the kind, and besides all that, he doesn't have the capability to do that.

01:11:17.000 So if we strike Iran, it will be completely, because our President has been, as Scowcroft said, mesmerized by the Israeli leaders. 0.91

01:11:27.000 Ray McGovern, in closing, to be specific, I don't want there to be a war.

01:11:31.000 I don't particularly like Iran. 0.99

01:11:32.000 I like their people, but all these governments are corrupt. 0.51

01:11:35.000 I'm not saying good guy, bad guy.

01:11:36.000 Obviously, though, the neocons are the bad guys that they attack, so I'm not politicizing this.

01:11:41.000 I'm just looking at the basic facts here, and to me, If Iran doesn't have a capability of aircraft carriers and ICBMs and whatever, they're going to need to use asymmetrical warfare. 0.95

01:11:52.000 You have a hundred, two hundred, a thousand, there's different battle plans, to blow up all their power plants, blow up their bridges, their water plants, anything for quote industry.

01:12:02.000 A total bombing to the stone age of their country, mass murder.

01:12:05.000 I mean, then any means they've got to fight back, is that even really going to be, quote, terrorism?

01:12:12.000 And the media and the government's already said, if they raise a fist to fight back, it will be called terrorism, and that they're then going to nuke them.

01:12:20.000 What the neocons have said is, if you fight back, we're going to nuke you.

01:12:24.000 Yeah, someone said once that a terrorist is a fighter without aircraft, without stealth bombers, you know?

01:12:32.000 If that's all you've got, that's what you're going to use, and you can be assured that an attack on Iran would let loose that kind of terrorism worldwide, and I'm talking about worldwide, and to include our country. 0.76

01:12:44.000 And instead of it being a fake Saudi Arabian-U.S.-Pakistan run Al-Cieda, we're talking about real terrorists.

01:12:52.000 We're talking about real.

01:12:53.000 What type of asymmetrical?

01:12:55.000 Are we talking about people putting chlorine gas in high-rise apartments?

01:12:58.000 Are we talking about blowing up bridges?

01:12:59.000 Are we talking about blowing up power plants? 0.70

01:13:01.000 Are we talking about going into malls and shooting 500 people?

01:13:06.000 You know, Alex, I have to say what the Germans say at this point.

01:13:09.000 It's beneath you to talk.

01:13:10.000 I'm over-asked.

01:13:13.000 I'm not a specialist in any of this, and I'd be just guessing.

01:13:16.000 But the sky's the limit.

01:13:17.000 Well, you know, I know their capability, as well as their intentions in this case, and their capabilities in Europe in particular, and in Asia, and to a slightly less degree in this country, are, as I say, such as to put al-Qaeda to, you know, to ridicule in terms of how much the Iranians could do. 0.95

01:13:35.000 So, you know, that's one reason, and I think it's It's a big mistake on Iran's part, that they're so damn smug, that they're so damn confident that we wouldn't possibly try to do this. 0.96

01:13:46.000 Well, in closing, just look at the economy.

01:13:48.000 If they mine harbors, if they sink ships in canals, they're in the key straits of Ormuz.

01:13:56.000 I mean, that right there will send oil to $500 a barrel.

01:14:00.000 It would.

01:14:01.000 You know, the question is whether anybody's telling Bush that, you know, he knows there's a big gas pump there in Crawford, and he's got a lot of money, and, you know, it's an open question to me as to whether he gives rat fair support, in my expression, as to what happens after January of next year.

01:14:20.000 Ray McGovern, are there any particular websites for people to learn more about your organization and other groups you support?

01:14:26.000 The best one is ConsortiumNews.com, run by Robert Perry, one of the best investigative journalists in the country.

01:14:33.000 Another one would be Common Dreams.

01:14:36.000 AfterDowningStreet.org is a wonderful site if you want to keep up with just about everything that's going on in Congress as well as other places.

01:14:43.000 AfterDowningStreet.org.

01:14:46.000 Okay, Ray McGovern, get well.

01:14:49.000 I'm glad to hear the prognosis is good.

01:14:51.000 And I'd love to, as things heat up, have you back for 30 minutes an hour in the next month or two.

01:14:57.000 And certainly, if things kick off, we're even able to do this radio show to have you come back on as this unfolds.

01:15:04.000 But I guess whichever way it goes, you're right, we've got to put the maximum effort out now to say no to war. 0.52

01:15:10.000 And I guess get that estimate out that they aren't a threat and not poke this sleeping tiger.

01:15:17.000 And just thank you so much for your time, sir.

01:15:19.000 We really appreciate it and respect it.

01:15:21.000 You're most welcome.

01:15:22.000 Alright, folks.

01:15:23.000 There goes Ray McGovern.

01:15:25.000 Do we have Veterans for Peace on?

01:15:27.000 He's all set.

01:15:28.000 Okay, I apologize for them.

01:15:29.000 I apologize for backing Jack McClam up, too.

01:15:32.000 Just so much is happening.

01:15:33.000 We've only got part of this segment and the next.

01:15:35.000 I've got local news stories here out of Virginia.

01:15:38.000 out of Washington, and they've been part of national parades before, but Veterans for Peace has been told in the new America, it doesn't matter if you, it's a huge veterans group.

01:15:47.000 By the way, Ray McGovern's a part of it, a lot of locals here are part of it.

01:15:50.000 It's a really classy group, Veterans for Peace, and they are not allowed to be part of that here in the great old USA.

01:15:58.000 say.

01:15:58.000 and And I hope I'm pronouncing your name right, sir.

01:16:01.000 We just set you up for the show.

01:16:02.000 It's Michael Maricue, VP for Vice President of Veterans for Peace.

01:16:08.000 Is that correct, sir?

01:16:10.000 It's Marceau.

01:16:11.000 Like, it's Marceau.

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01:16:15.000 Gotcha, sir.

01:16:16.000 Thank you so much for coming on, Michael Marceau.

01:16:18.000 In a nutshell, what's happened to your arch-criminal group?

01:16:24.000 You're not allowed to be part of the parade.

01:16:26.000 Well, let me clarify that we are the Investors for Peace Washington, D.C.

01:16:30.000 area chapter, and we have been in contact with this group, American Veterans Center is the one that is sponsoring the parade, and if you go to their website, you will see such entities as Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Kaki, CACI, which is a huge subcontractor here in the Washington, D.C.

01:16:50.000 area, The National Rifle Association is also one of the sponsors, and at one time I believe the government of Kuwait was listed on their website as a sponsor.

01:17:00.000 I'm just puzzled as to why they think groups like that do not have a political viewpoint, but we do.

01:17:06.000 Sure, your phone's a little overdriven.

01:17:08.000 Back off of it a bit so we can hear you clearly.

01:17:10.000 Yeah, they've got all these clearly political groups there, but they play this game of, oh, we're not being political, no First Amendment for you.

01:17:17.000 That's exactly right.

01:17:18.000 And if you also look in past parades here, this group, American Veterans Center, has allowed groups like Revolutionary War and Actors, active duty military groups to march.

01:17:30.000 And if those guys are not said to be carrying a political message, and I do not understand why Veterans for Peace, which opposes all wars and wants to let American people know the true cost of wars, not only in dollar amounts, which is in excess of $1 trillion, and moving upward very rapidly. which is in excess of $1 trillion, and moving upward

01:17:48.000 But we're also concerned about the 4,000-plus dead American servicemen and women and also the 30,000-plus injuries sustained by those troops, as well as their family members who suffer from seeing their loved ones killed or injured.

01:18:03.000 And the resources either from the military medical facilities and the Veterans Administration medical facilities are not adequate, not even very close to being adequate.

01:18:15.000 Well, Mr. Marceau, the numbers we've got...

01:18:18.000 ...traumatic stress disorder would come...

01:18:21.000 Sure, they don't count people who die outside country as you know, so it's more like 18,000 now, dead troops, and more like 100,000 injured, so your numbers may be a little different from the ones I've ferreted out, but even those official numbers are incredible.

01:18:35.000 Plus, we're five plus years into this.

01:18:37.000 I bet money, if you guys try to go out there without the permit, I bet they're going to arrest you, but maybe that's the attention we need.

01:18:44.000 Are you still going to try to go out and be handing out flyers or educating people?

01:18:49.000 While we're still talking about that right now, we have some emails and some phone calls among members of our chapter, and we haven't really decided anything yet.

01:18:58.000 But I know last year in Boston, and last year I think it was in Southern California, I want to say Santa Barbara maybe, but two of our Veterans for Peace chapters were not allowed to march in Veterans Day parades.

01:19:12.000 There's another chapter in Washington State that is not allowed to march in this year's Memorial Day Parade.

01:19:17.000 So, this is not an isolated incident, and that's why we're trying to... Well, yes, sir.

01:19:21.000 Stay there.

01:19:22.000 Stay there.

01:19:22.000 I want to come back with another... I want to stay there and come up with another segment.

01:19:26.000 But the key here is...

01:19:28.000 A year and a half ago the poll was 71% Gallup poll of US troops polled in Iraq or against the war.

01:19:33.000 The number is more like 80% in other polls that have been regional around bases.

01:19:37.000 So they're also creating an illusion that the majority of troops are for the war with these fraudulent events for the general public.

01:19:44.000 So I'm going to get your comment on that.

01:19:47.000 You represent the majority of veterans who aren't for this stinking war.

01:19:51.000 You got 80% of the American people against it as well.

01:19:54.000 So again, it's all part of this minority forcing their view and their fraud on us and trying to bar us equal access as veterans.

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01:24:36.000 We got Michael Marceau, VP for the Local Veterans for Peace in D.C.

01:24:41.000 That's a really nice organization.

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01:24:47.000 I've been to some of their meetings.

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01:24:55.000 But regardless if I agree with them or disagree, the vast majority of veterans are against the war.

01:24:59.000 The vast majority of troops are against the war.

01:25:00.000 All the polls show that.

01:25:03.000 But no, they can't be involved because that would shatter the illusion that the war is tied somehow to being patriotic.

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01:25:23.000 Michael, you've got a few minutes left.

01:25:25.000 In closing, tell us about your website, your group, and any ideas on what you'll be planning on Veterans Day while the rest of Americans are out, or not Veterans Day, Memorial Day, while the rest of Americans are out dodging police under federal funding, sucking our blood for blood tests.

01:25:41.000 Well, our website is www.vfpdc.org.

01:25:46.000 And if you go online there, there was a poll within the last day or two in a local paper about this, and about three-quarters of the folks are in favor of us marching in the parade.

01:25:56.000 So please go to that website and add your vote to that tally.

01:25:59.000 Right now we are still discussing if we want to just go as spectators and stand on the sideline and hold our Veterans for Peace banner and another sign that said kick out a parade.

01:26:11.000 We know that there will be some media that way and we are hoping that we will get our message across in that manner and in a calm, civilized, peaceful manner.

01:26:18.000 Now I wonder if enforcers who believe the First Amendment is evil will come over and tell you that you're not allowed to do that.

01:26:24.000 YouTube that and keep those cameras rolling 24-7.

01:26:29.000 Yeah, we're going to try to see if we can get some folks with video cams and that kind of stuff out there on Monday and see what happens, but so far most of the responses that we've got from being on talk shows the last couple of days have been very positive and we're gratified that the American people can see through the stories and the lies and the information.

01:26:49.000 Their officers have now been taught that freedom in the First Amendment is evil, so look out!

01:26:54.000 That's my point.

01:26:55.000 How do people contact you, who aren't even part of Veterans for Peace, to come out and videotape, support you, you know, kind of be observers of enemy operations?

01:27:03.000 Well, just look for the National Memorial Day Parade.

01:27:06.000 It's right down Constitution Avenue in the heart of D.C.

01:27:09.000 I think it starts about 2 p.m., so show up around noon, get a good front row seat, and kind of watch the festivities, as they say.

01:27:18.000 And fire out your website again, sir.

01:27:21.000 Okay, it's www.vfpdc.org.

01:27:26.000 And if you get lost, it's Veterans for Peace plus the D.C.

01:27:29.000 chapter.

01:27:29.000 Alright, and you can find that in Google or YouTube, or by going to Yahoo.

01:27:34.000 Well, thank you so much for coming on, sir.

01:27:37.000 Hey, we appreciate the chance to tell our story and to understand that the rest of America is with us in spite of the silliness that goes on here in Washington, D.C.

01:27:45.000 We know the rest of America is with us, and we certainly appreciate that.

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01:27:56.000 Good talking to you, sir.

01:27:58.000 Gotta defend his First Amendment, ladies and gentlemen.

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01:37:53.000 And so, I mean, it was serious when I snuck in in 2000.

01:37:56.000 It was serious when he snuck in and was working there and secretly shot video in 2005.

01:38:02.000 Then, years later, and Jack can go over the timeline here and the time we have with the basics, but I'm just giving you the background here.

01:38:12.000 We even knew him as Kyle the few times he was a guest on the show.

01:38:14.000 And I didn't even want to do that because I knew they could get voice print if he'd been in the military and things.

01:38:18.000 And I had him on, put the film out, and then he showed neighbors and gave the whole neighborhood, like we recommend, copies of my film and the film he was in.

01:38:31.000 And then teenagers came over, 14, 15-year-olds, he gave them copies.

01:38:36.000 And it turned into like a witch hunt in the neighborhood there.

01:38:39.000 They said, he is killing this child in front of an idol.

01:38:42.000 They came and arrested him to investigate if he'd killed the child at Bohemian Grove. 0.54

01:38:46.000 This is insane.

01:38:48.000 I mean, understand, the film he's giving people is aired on national television.

01:38:53.000 Okay, and the cops come and arrest him, and he was convicted.

01:38:56.000 They said that showing fourteen-year-olds, and we've got all the court documents, that that was a point, a type of child abuse, and they said, we're targeting you, and he didn't want to come on air a year ago when they started the trial and the proceedings, because he thought, well, I'll beat it, this is ridiculous, and he went in court and They showed the film and admitted that it was about this and admitted and wouldn't let a lot of other stuff in and just said you're going to jail for this video.

01:39:25.000 Now Kelly Rushing gave a Ron Paul video to a state police officer in Kentucky.

01:39:29.000 This was in the newspaper.

01:39:30.000 They arrested him and said the Ron Paul speech was threatening and they went to trial and he was facing three years in jail.

01:39:37.000 Hey brother, good to be here.

01:39:38.000 The Ron Paul video on the same tape was one of my films, but they said the Ron Paul video.

01:39:42.000 I called the judge.

01:39:43.000 It was in the news, and they tried to prosecute him.

01:39:46.000 So this is insane, but this happened.

01:39:49.000 And so he got you that footage.

01:39:51.000 He got me that footage.

01:39:52.000 He went in on his own recognizance, and now he's in deep trouble in jail.

01:39:57.000 Jack McClam, thanks for coming on with us.

01:39:59.000 Hey, brother.

01:40:00.000 Good to be here.

01:40:01.000 Great.

01:40:02.000 Yeah, very important, too.

01:40:05.000 We here at our two police and military associations are very worried about Chris because just the other day, oh I guess you know, when they first arrested him, the powerful internationalist and politicians who came after him after recording their Bohemian Grove, came after him through the court system and the first time they arrested him,

01:40:30.000 They took him down to Theo Lacey Jail, there in Orange, California.

01:40:37.000 And the prison guards yelled to all the prisoners, this man, Chris Jones, has F'd two little boys.

01:40:46.000 And they yelled that out to all the prisoners, and so they caught Chris in the shower and beat him almost to death.

01:40:53.000 The prisoners did.

01:40:55.000 And that was all a staged event, and now he's in jail, down at the Theo Lacey Jail, and we're in contact with the sheriff's assistants and sheriff there.

01:41:07.000 And telling him of our great concern that he's our brother.

01:41:10.000 He's been our webmaster for years.

01:41:13.000 He's a Christian kid and he's really a good guy.

01:41:17.000 Loves America.

01:41:18.000 Loves his country.

01:41:19.000 Well, I've met him a few times in California at events.

01:41:22.000 He's really classy.

01:41:23.000 Nice guy.

01:41:24.000 Works for a good company.

01:41:26.000 Nice girlfriend.

01:41:27.000 I know.

01:41:27.000 Goes to church.

01:41:28.000 I mean, let's just bring it up.

01:41:29.000 Mark Dice goes to the same church with their girlfriends to church.

01:41:33.000 But the thing is, That what he was convicted of was giving a video to children, which has aired on national television.

01:41:42.000 Yeah, he was convicted of three charges.

01:41:45.000 Matter of fact, out of six, they charged him with six charges.

01:41:49.000 And they had to drop three because the young boys that he babysitted for eight, nine years ago, they said he molested these kids.

01:41:58.000 And they took these kids in the room like I've seen them do in the Phoenix Police Department, and Child Protective Services comes in and really psychologically beats the kids up until they finally... Yeah, they'll keep them two days without food and water until they say that... Exactly.

01:42:15.000 Yeah, and so that's what they did to the kids, but when the kids got to trial, they got up and said that he never touched us, he never did anything wrong to us, and it just ticked the judge, the criminal judge and the criminal prosecutor off so bad that they... Now, Jack, I want to go back.

01:42:33.000 I want to stop you from covering all the facts.

01:42:35.000 This started, he was first arrested, because I have all the court documents, or some of them he sent me.

01:42:41.000 Where they said it was a video of a snuff film of burning a baby to an idol.

01:42:46.000 So that was the original arrest.

01:42:48.000 And they said he gave neighborhood kids of 14, 15 the video.

01:42:51.000 And then later they brought in, like you said, most of this got dropped.

01:42:55.000 But I mean, this is the insanity.

01:42:56.000 But you're talking about then later stuff where they even went back.

01:42:59.000 I mean, this was a hit job.

01:43:02.000 Yeah, eight, nine years ago.

01:43:03.000 And these are teenagers today.

01:43:06.000 And they told the truth on the witness stand.

01:43:10.000 The judge had purposely stacked the jury.

01:43:14.000 Luckily, former FBI agent, special agent in charge, Ted Gunnarsson, sat in on the whole trial, and Ted and I have been in a conference over this, and he told me that the judge, when they selected the jury, Uh, Alex, uh, there was a guy in there that said he wanted to personally kill Chris because of the charges against him.

01:43:35.000 And the judge says, does that mean you can't be, uh, unbiased and serve on the jury?

01:43:41.000 And the guy says, well, I'll try judge.

01:43:43.000 And he says, okay, you're on the jury.

01:43:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:45.000 And so the judge just stacked the jury with people that were absolute idiots. 1.00

01:43:50.000 Now let's go back. 1.00

01:43:50.000 I interrupted when you brought up the point about when the young men got up and said, no, it's all lies, he didn't do anything to us. 1.00

01:43:58.000 What happened next?

01:44:00.000 Well, they found a kid that had been accused of child molestation that Chris had babysitted.

01:44:10.000 The guy got on the witness stand, he's a teenager now too, and I guess he's a pedophile, but they wouldn't let the jury know that, but Chris told me that.

01:44:22.000 And the kid said that they got into a wrestling match and pulled their pants down, and Chris sat down on the couch and he had a bulge in his pants.

01:44:35.000 Well, Chris says whenever you sit down with a loose pair of jeans on, if they're not form-fitting, you have a bulge right there.

01:44:43.000 Yeah, that's the court record.

01:44:46.000 When he stood up, it was gone.

01:44:48.000 And so he was convicted for a bulge in his pants.

01:44:50.000 I mean, even their star witness says he had a bulge in his pants.

01:44:54.000 This is the conviction.

01:44:55.000 That's it.

01:44:56.000 Meanwhile, CPS, and we have the court record.

01:44:58.000 Meanwhile, CPS is flying little kids out to Israel and Saudi Arabia right now.

01:45:02.000 Yes, that's right.

01:45:03.000 This is the new wish hunt.

01:45:04.000 It's going up to the White House and to the Capitol for pedophilia, you know? 0.91

01:45:09.000 And Barney Frank can have 14 year olds in his house running a brothel and that's okay.

01:45:15.000 But now again, Jack, this all started over the Grove when they all came and said, you've got a video of a baby being killed.

01:45:23.000 Right.

01:45:23.000 And then once it started, they set him up.

01:45:27.000 Uh-huh. 0.95

01:45:27.000 Yeah, they're really angry at Chris and are going to, I guess, try to kill him in prison. 0.95

01:45:33.000 And here's how we know it.

01:45:34.000 They've sent a shill in as his cellmate, a stooge for the government. 1.00

01:45:43.000 And that guy got in the cell with Chris here a few days ago and started telling him, saying things to him about his homosexuality and everything.

01:45:52.000 Chris's homosexuality. 0.61

01:45:54.000 And Chris told him to be quiet.

01:45:56.000 And he refused to do it.

01:45:57.000 He kept hammering on Chris and hammering on Chris.

01:46:00.000 And so he couldn't get Chris to get up and fight him.

01:46:04.000 So he yelled out through the bars that Chris was going to give a sexual favor to everybody in the prison.

01:46:14.000 And so Chris threw his three-inch little pencil at the guy and hit him in the back with his three-inch little pencil.

01:46:22.000 And he says, Assault!

01:46:23.000 Assault!

01:46:24.000 Guards!

01:46:26.000 Chris just assaulted me!

01:46:27.000 I want to file charges on him!

01:46:29.000 Well, the guards came down and they told him to sit down and shut up, that there was nothing to it, because they're just a three-inch-low piece of pencil.

01:46:37.000 They only allow them to have those short, low pencils, you know? 0.97

01:46:42.000 Then he said to Chris, I'm going to get my buddies together and we're going to kill you. 0.88

01:46:47.000 Now he's already been beaten half to death. 0.98

01:46:49.000 Yeah, he's already been beaten half to death.

01:46:51.000 He was beaten unconscious there when they first arrested him.

01:46:56.000 And so Chris got scared and told his mom about it, and her mom got a hold of us here at our two police and military associations, so I contacted the sheriff right away.

01:47:06.000 Jack, can we give numbers out concerning this?

01:47:10.000 Because I want to get some phone numbers out.

01:47:12.000 Yeah, the reason I asked to come on is very important, Alex, that we've got the judge, David Thompson, and we'd like everybody to mail just a sentence or a paragraph to the judge asking the judge To let Chris out, because his life's in danger.

01:47:29.000 But I mean, to be clear, let's give the numbers out.

01:47:32.000 How can he do that?

01:47:32.000 I mean, I don't have all the stuff in front of me here.

01:47:35.000 How long is he going to be in jail?

01:47:37.000 What's the procedure now?

01:47:38.000 Well, three years.

01:47:40.000 The judge just gave him three years in prison.

01:47:43.000 But he's under appeal.

01:47:44.000 He's under appeal right now.

01:47:46.000 We'd like to have him let out during his appeal.

01:47:49.000 Absolutely.

01:47:51.000 Well, he never left.

01:47:52.000 I mean, this went on for a year.

01:47:53.000 Right.

01:47:54.000 But, I mean, this is an incredible part.

01:47:55.000 Guy with no criminal record, and he's been convicted of having a bulge in his pants nine years ago, which is made up, and it all began with him saying he killed a baby in front of an idol because neighbors saw the video and called the cops.

01:48:07.000 I mean, is that what happens, Jack?

01:48:09.000 Once the cops come, they're just going to set you up, or what?

01:48:12.000 Well, they have special cops like they did in the Phoenix Police Department that they know will commit any crime and will do anything they're told to do, ordered to do, because that's who's promoted up through the ranks.

01:48:25.000 Anybody that's totally committed to shooting their mother for a nickel and taking bets on which way she'll fall, are promoted up through the ranks, and the good officers with high moral character never get promoted today in law enforcement.

01:48:39.000 And so they always get these officers to go in and to commit these crimes against people like Chris, and they'll do anything, say anything, and follow orders exactly.

01:48:50.000 Yeah, there's no doubt that they have come after him, and I told him how dangerous it was.

01:48:55.000 You know, people don't realize how dangerous this is.

01:48:57.000 Infiltrating the Grove, then him getting a job there.

01:48:59.000 Everybody's giggling and laughing, saying they're going to go get jobs there.

01:49:03.000 I'm not trying to scare you away from it, folks.

01:49:05.000 But you remember, Jack, when you called me about this, and I told Chris, I said, you do what you want, buddy, I'm not involved.

01:49:10.000 Because I can risk my life in being set up, but I'm not going to risk yours, and he sent me that great footage.

01:49:17.000 David Thompson, give us the address, give us the jail number, give us a phone number.

01:49:20.000 Please folks, just do a paragraph, a short little few sentences, and ask the judge to let Chris out. 1.00

01:49:26.000 He's not a flight risk, he's not a threat to society.

01:49:31.000 And write to Judge David A. Thompson, T-H-O-M-P-S-O-N, and his address is 700 Civic Center Drive, And right after that, there's a large W and a period.

01:49:50.000 It might be West, but don't spell out the word West because we don't know if it's a West or not.

01:49:54.000 But it's 700 Civic Center Drive with a W period.

01:50:02.000 And then it's Santa Ana, Santa, just like Santa Claus, Ana, A-N-A, California, 9-2-7-0-2.

01:50:11.000 That's Santa Ana.

01:50:16.000 California, 92702.

01:50:17.000 Okay, phone numbers are even more important because he's in there, he's in danger right now.

01:50:22.000 We need to call the jail.

01:50:23.000 Jack, do you have those numbers?

01:50:25.000 Well, now, let me tell you what happened yesterday after I called the sheriff and assistant sheriff J.B.

01:50:30.000 Davis and told him that he was in fear of his life and that he had just been threatened that they were going to kill him.

01:50:37.000 His mother wrote back to us and told us that a friend had just gone by the Theo Lacey jail And that Chris was immediately processed out and transferred to Wasco near Bakersfield, where they say he's undergoing a 90 days assessment.

01:50:59.000 And his mother says, I can't imagine what they're assessing, but please pray for Chris because they could be shooting him up.

01:51:06.000 They could be shooting... No, no, they do that.

01:51:08.000 Stay there, Jack.

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01:54:08.000 We've only got five minutes left.

01:54:15.000 We've got to move fast.

01:54:16.000 We've got to get phone numbers out.

01:54:17.000 What happens is, they beat you, and then if you complain, they say you're mentally ill, then they drug you.

01:54:24.000 This is when they're really politically targeting you.

01:54:26.000 There's a famous dentist who was involved in a suit against the government over Medicare and Medicaid.

01:54:32.000 Uh, and, uh, they just grabbed him.

01:54:34.000 It's been 10 years, solitary confinement, in prison, drug, no judge, no jury, no nothing. 0.57

01:54:40.000 And yeah, when you hear being assessed, that means they probably got him, uh, put him on Thorazine, injecting him, and they'll say, look, he's slobbering, he's mentally ill.

01:54:48.000 Uh, it's a very corrupt system.

01:54:50.000 Jack McClam, do you have any phone numbers for us to give out for, uh, Chris Jones?

01:54:55.000 Yeah, we do.

01:54:55.000 Now, it's very important people write down Christopher Jones' name and his, his, uh, serial number.

01:55:02.000 Okay, they must have a serial number.

01:55:04.000 It's Christopher, C-H-R-I-S-T, like Christ, T-O-P-H-E-R, L, is the middle initial, Jones, and his prison number is 2439321.

01:55:18.000 2439321.

01:55:18.000 It's 243-9321. 243-9321.

01:55:26.000 And I have a need that right away you get a paragraph off to the judge, but also there's a number here to call the criminal court, and I think it really is a criminal court.

01:55:38.000 But it's in Santa Ana, and it's where Judge Thompson is, and the phone number is 714, area code 834-3593.

01:55:51.000 That's 714, area code 834-3593.

01:55:58.000 3.

01:55:59.000 And just tell the lady there or tell the judge if you get through to the judge to let Chris out during his appeal that he's not a flight risk and that he's a proud member of the American Citizens and Lawmen Association.

01:56:14.000 A lot of lawmen support him and know about him.

01:56:18.000 And that he ought to be out during his appeal because they're talking about killing him now.

01:56:23.000 Also, Alex, I would ask the people, please pray for Chris because when they're assessing him for this 90 days, they don't allow him to have any visitors at all.

01:56:33.000 And he could be suicided in there.

01:56:35.000 You know what I'm talking about.

01:56:37.000 He could be depressed, and they'll say, well, we found him very depressed and found him hanging from his coat cloth.

01:56:44.000 Yeah, they want to make an example out of him.

01:56:46.000 They don't want people getting jobs and going to the Grove.

01:56:49.000 This is where the real power takes place.

01:56:52.000 I had the head of the Kissinger Group on two weeks ago admitting that.

01:56:55.000 And this is the price we pay to get the info out.

01:56:58.000 We all should pray for him.

01:57:00.000 Chris Jones is a hero.

01:57:01.000 714-834-3593.

01:57:03.000 And it's Agent David Thompson.

01:57:08.000 Agent of Lucifer, David Thompson. 0.99

01:57:10.000 That's the black-rubbed thug. 1.00

01:57:13.000 But when you call the scum, be polite. 1.00

01:57:15.000 Just let them know that the world's watching. 0.99

01:57:17.000 What about calling the jail?

01:57:19.000 Well, please do.

01:57:21.000 Well, he's gone from the jail now.

01:57:25.000 What facility?

01:57:25.000 I mean, wherever he's at, the prison?

01:57:27.000 Well, we don't know about this Wasco.

01:57:31.000 It's spelled like Costco, but with a W.

01:57:34.000 We don't know anything about it right now.

01:57:36.000 We're going to check into it, Alex, and find out what it is, but all we can find out is that inmates have gone there for assessment for 90 days and are allowed no visitors.

01:57:46.000 Okay?

01:57:47.000 So, we'll see if we can find out information about that, but right now, The jail that he was in, Theo Lacey Jail, the Sheriff's Jail, he's not there anymore.

01:57:58.000 So now they've put you into facilities where no one's even allowed to see you.

01:58:01.000 Pretty soon it'll be forever. 0.97

01:58:03.000 This government's so disgusting. 0.91

01:58:05.000 Jack McClam will continue to watch this as it develops.

01:58:07.000 Have you and maybe Chris Jones' mother on next week.

01:58:11.000 That'd be wonderful.

01:58:13.000 She's really fighting for her son.

01:58:16.000 She knows how he was set up because Ted Gunderson told her all about the horrible, horrible trial there.

01:58:23.000 As a matter of fact, I think she was there for the trial.

01:58:26.000 Jack, we're out of time.

01:58:28.000 Thank you so much.

01:58:29.000 God bless you, brother.

01:58:30.000 Thanks a lot.

01:58:30.000 I warned Mr. Jones when he called me.

01:58:32.000 I said, man, better think twice about this.

01:58:37.000 Big trouble.

01:58:38.000 All right.

01:58:39.000 Retransmission starts now at InfoWars.com.

01:58:40.000 Go to the audio streams there.

01:58:42.000 See you back Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

01:58:43.000 live.

01:58:44.000 This Sunday, the Money Bomb, ladies and gentlemen.

01:58:47.000 Money Bomb's coming up next Saturday.

01:58:49.000 Thank you for listening to Jeef.

01:58:53.000 Good job, Jones.

01:58:54.000 You take care.

01:58:54.000 Have a nice weekend.

01:58:55.000 Hey, thank you, brother.

01:58:56.000 Matter of fact, I think she was there for the trial.

01:58:58.000 Yeah.

Alex Jones Show - May 23, 2008

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