Alex Jones Show - 20080630_Mon_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

00:00:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:10.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:11.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:26.000 Okay, we got Ray McGovern coming up in the next segment.

00:00:28.000 High-level CIA analyst talking about government stage terror.

00:00:33.000 Lieberman, latest to pitch for a new terror attack, says it'll really help.

00:00:38.000 John McCain says if it's Barack Obama, the terrorists are going to attack to test him.

00:00:43.000 He talked about the first World Trade Center attack.

00:00:45.000 Now this was a CBS news piece you're about to hear.

00:00:49.000 For PrisonPlanet.TV viewers, you can go to PrisonPlanet.com and the article that Paul Watson wrote, and you can watch the clip there.

00:01:00.000 And Dan Rather Now this is how they report an incredible news story and then do it dryly where you don't realize what you're seeing.

00:01:09.000 We've interviewed the lawyers.

00:01:10.000 We've played some of the tapes on air.

00:01:12.000 It was in the New York Times at the time.

00:01:13.000 The FBI went out, found Muslims. 0.99

00:01:17.000 They found two guys on welfare who were low-grade retarded, 75 IQs. 1.00

00:01:22.000 They found a blind cleric, Sheikh Abdel Rahman, over a pizza parlor and they paid him a bunch of money and they hired Egyptian security intelligence people and told them we're going to cook a fake bomb and sting them. 0.75

00:01:37.000 And then they told them, make them a real bomb.

00:01:39.000 And they said, I don't want to do that.

00:01:40.000 And they said, you're under orders.

00:01:42.000 So they made them a real bomb, and then they trained them how to drive and park it and blow it up.

00:01:46.000 So that's provocateured.

00:01:48.000 And that's a fact.

00:01:49.000 The government did that.

00:01:50.000 I mean, they went out in whole cloth, found the groups and did it. 0.87

00:01:54.000 Kind of like they tried to get black street kids to blow up the FBI building in Miami. 0.95

00:01:59.000 I mean, out of whole cloth.

00:02:00.000 The Bum Steer Award in 98 in Texas and Texas Monthly, where the FBI created a Klan group.

00:02:06.000 Literally, two Klan guys and their wives, who were such alcoholics, they couldn't even pay for their trailer bills out by Fort Worth and so drunk they could hardly get out of bed. 0.92

00:02:15.000 And the FBI guy made a black powder bottle bomb and had them talk about attacking the White House in a chemical plant with it.

00:02:21.000 It was a deadly Klan attack. 0.82

00:02:23.000 They were planning to kill everyone.

00:02:25.000 Let's go ahead and play part of this newscast.

00:02:27.000 Listen to it.

00:02:28.000 Last winter, the FBI was praised for its speed in cracking the case of the World Trade Center bombing and bringing four suspects to trial.

00:02:35.000 Now, there is some evidence that the FBI may have known of the plot in advance through an informant and might, might even have stopped the bombing that killed six people.

00:02:45.000 Correspondent Jacqueline Adams has the story.

00:02:49.000 FBI agents might have been able to prevent last February's deadly explosion at New York's World Trade Center.

00:02:55.000 Alright, stop right there.

00:02:57.000 Might have been able to stop, and then they calmly report, oh by the way, they ordered the guy to build a real bomb.

00:03:05.000 The way they say it is they go, and they could have replaced it with non-explosive materials.

00:03:13.000 They built the bomb and told them to do it with real materials.

00:03:13.000 No, no, no.

00:03:16.000 The way that's implied, you have the transcripts and the admissions, they made the bomb.

00:03:19.000 But the way that's implied, the way they spin that without lying, you'd think, oh, they didn't make that bomb, they just could have replaced it.

00:03:27.000 Back to the tape.

00:03:28.000 Last February's deadly explosion at New York's World Trade Center.

00:03:32.000 They discussed secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, but they didn't, according to the FBI's own informant, Imad Salem.

00:03:41.000 Unbeknownst to the FBI at the time, Stop right there!

00:03:45.000 Stop right there! 1.00

00:03:46.000 That is pure bull!

00:03:47.000 In the transcripts, he went and recorded them.

00:03:49.000 He thought they were setting him up, which no doubt they do.

00:03:51.000 They get Arab agents who think they're going after terrorists, and then set them up.

00:03:55.000 Because they need a real intelligence officer.

00:03:57.000 Somebody who looks like they could do it. 0.99

00:03:59.000 Not two retarded street kids. 1.00

00:04:01.000 Okay. 0.99

00:04:02.000 And so, he went in and recorded hours, one recording was nine hours, saying, you made me build a real bomb, you gave me a real detonator, I'm not stupid, why aren't you busting them? 0.98

00:04:12.000 But see, they just lied right there.

00:04:14.000 You can read the transcripts of the tapes, they're online.

00:04:17.000 They just lied and spun that to where, oh, the FBI didn't know, oh, shalom.

00:04:24.000 Go ahead and play it.

00:04:25.000 Unbelievable.

00:04:27.000 Unbeknownst to the FBI at the time, Salem recorded many of his conversations with his handlers.

00:04:33.000 I'm holding 903 pages of draft transcripts.

00:04:37.000 William Kunstler represents Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and... Alright, later I'm going to play the whole thing and decipher it.

00:04:43.000 It's just, look, they provocateur the attacks or they stage them.

00:04:48.000 Okay?

00:04:49.000 Get that straight.

00:04:51.000 Haratz reports, Jerusalem Post reports, that a lot of the terror attacks in Israel are done by the government.

00:04:56.000 That's not me, that's Israel admitting it. 0.89

00:04:58.000 Okay, the government's staging this stuff.

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00:05:06.000 Chlorides, dyes, ethanol, salt?

00:05:08.000 Not yet.

00:05:10.000 William Kudsler represents Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and several others... Alright, later I'm going to play the whole thing and decipher it.

00:05:15.000 It's just, look, they provocateur the attacks, or they stage them.

00:05:20.000 Okay?

00:05:21.000 Get that straight.

00:05:23.000 Haratz reports, Jerusalem Post reports that a lot of the terror attacks in Israel are done by the government.

00:05:29.000 That's not me, that's Israel admitting.

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00:08:09.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:16.000 We had him on last week.

00:08:17.000 He's back with us again.

00:08:18.000 I really appreciate him spending this much time with us.

00:08:21.000 It's precious time.

00:08:23.000 Ray McGovern, Senior CIA Analyst.

00:08:25.000 Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr.

00:08:27.000 gave the morning briefings.

00:08:29.000 Highly respected.

00:08:31.000 Heads up, a veteran intelligence analyst for Sanity.

00:08:34.000 Everything he's talked about has come true or happened.

00:08:36.000 He's been right all along.

00:08:37.000 He's confronted, famously, Donald Rumsfeld about his lying about saying the WMDs were in Iraq and then saying he never said that.

00:08:46.000 He has just done so much.

00:08:47.000 He's been arrested for protesting in America without a license, like this is the old Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

00:08:54.000 And he's also battling lymphoma cancer right now, so again, we're very thankful for him.

00:08:58.000 He'll be with us for the next hour, at the bottom of the hour, just on Iraq, or what's happening with Iran.

00:09:04.000 You know, those are the main subjects we're talking about today.

00:09:07.000 Or you can bring up 9-11, or government-sponsored staged events, whatever.

00:09:10.000 But just on those main issues, 1-800-259-9231.

00:09:12.000 Going to Ray McGovern.

00:09:12.000 Mr. McGovern, a lot has happened since you were on with us a week ago.

00:09:21.000 Yeah, things are moving very fast, Alex, and not in the right direction.

00:09:26.000 And that's why I appreciate you coming on.

00:09:28.000 You know the time is short.

00:09:30.000 They're wanting to attack Iran, as you've said. 0.50

00:09:32.000 Kind of repeat the basics of where we sit, and then I want to give you more time to flesh out what we're dealing with, and just things that Ray McGovern thinks is most important.

00:09:41.000 Then I want to look at the deteriorating situation, not just in Iraq, but also in Afghanistan, and then all these neocons.

00:09:47.000 Lieberman, speechwriters, columnists saying terror attacks would sure be great.

00:09:54.000 I mean, it's really getting obvious here.

00:09:56.000 These guys are acting crazier and crazier, which has caused for more alarms.

00:10:02.000 Whatever Ray McGovern thinks is most important, and this is a sizable audience, how do you think we may have some chance in hell of turning this around?

00:10:12.000 Well, Alex, let me pick up on your mention of the terrorist event that could help John McCain.

00:10:21.000 If you look beyond the outrageous nature of that remark, one has to conclude that the Republican Party is convinced, and most people would suggest, that were there to be such a terrorist event wherever, that McCain would profit more from it than Obama, certainly, for the same reasons that Bush was able to use the scare tactic to get elected or re-elected.

00:10:50.000 I'd just like to draw an analogy there between that truism, namely that some sort of event like that would help McCain, to the notion that here's McCain in September, let us say, and he's just as far behind in September as he is now, maybe even farther behind, and they need something to juice up his candidacy, some new event,

00:11:17.000 And for that and for other reasons, an attack on Iran. 0.70

00:11:23.000 Now, if a terrorist event helps John McCain's chances, then these rather desperate people running the campaign for McCain might well conclude that, you know, a wider war, certainly that would double down.

00:11:43.000 That would certainly help us.

00:11:45.000 Because who wants to elect an inexperienced person not familiar with war?

00:11:52.000 So that's part of the perfect storm that I see coming in September and October where General Petraeus takes charge of CENTCOM, the command overseeing that part of the world.

00:12:04.000 Petraeus and Cheney Having a long record of working together very closely to the point of Petraeus actually saying bold-faced lies with respect to Iranian-provided weaponry.

00:12:18.000 And so you've got all that coming together at a time when it looks like McCain needs something desperate, some deus ex machina, something out of heaven to improve his chances.

00:12:29.000 Now, the problem is that Well, the main problem, as I see it, Alex, is that there's been a sea change in our body politic here, and that is that we no longer have a free media.

00:12:44.000 And that's where you and I come in, in our attempts to spread some truth around.

00:12:48.000 The problem is the American people have been told the Bill of Goods that Iran is some sort of a threat to all of us, a threat to Israel, and by extension to all of us, and they don't know the basics.

00:13:00.000 They don't know, for example, that 16 That's all of them.

00:13:03.000 16 intelligence agencies and the U.S.

00:13:06.000 government concluded late last year, just at about this time, that Iran had ceased working on the nuclear weapons-related part of its nuclear program.

00:13:19.000 And that they had ceased doing that in mid-2003, and they had not resumed doing that as of mid-year last year when the estimate went to bed.

00:13:30.000 Now, it may be, well it certainly is, that Cheney and the President didn't like that conclusion.

00:13:35.000 Certainly they were saying the opposite when they knew the estimate was going to come out that way.

00:13:40.000 But now they've totally dissed the estimate.

00:13:43.000 They act as though they never heard about it.

00:13:46.000 And that is the major indignity that I see as a former intelligence officer.

00:13:52.000 If they're going to say that those judgments are wrong, Well, it seems to me the burden of proof is upon them to say, well, what information have we gotten in since late last year?

00:14:01.000 Plus, they've been discredited as congenital manufacturers of evidence and liars.

00:14:07.000 It's not like they were just wrong about Iraq.

00:14:09.000 They knew it was a fraud.

00:14:11.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:14:13.000 And so, one wonders, you know, could they perpetrate yet another godforsaken war, this time on Iran, with the support of the American people? 0.66

00:14:25.000 Well, unfortunately, the American people are very ill-informed.

00:14:30.000 The American Congress, who sees its role as a defender as much of Israel as of the United States, is hell-bent and determined to cooperate with the Bush regime here, to the point of passing legislation advocating a blockade.

00:14:52.000 Well, can we look at other nations?

00:14:56.000 What do you think, with Gordon Brown, England's going to do if this happens?

00:15:02.000 You know, the English have been an incredible disappointment to me. 1.00

00:15:08.000 I would have expected that after the incredible performance of Tony Blair, that Gordon Brown would be more sensible, but I see no evidence of that.

00:15:19.000 And I see them sort of going along as our poodle, as they chose to do during the Blair regime.

00:15:26.000 And now they put Sarkozy in, so it looks to me like they're lining up their ducks.

00:15:30.000 There's a commitment.

00:15:31.000 Israel itself.

00:15:33.000 Why does Israel, when they just lost in Lebanon, against, what would you say, sir, 1, 1 20th of the force the Iranians have, or less?

00:15:41.000 I mean, if they can't beat A few guys with rocket launchers, how are they going to beat Iran? 0.90

00:15:47.000 I mean, what's going on with Israel with swirling corruption and bizarre shootings on the tarmac with Sarkozy?

00:15:56.000 I mean, this is really getting foggy.

00:16:00.000 Well, we're talking, it's hard to talk about Israel generically because a right-wing extremist group is ruling that country, just as is the case here in the United States.

00:16:11.000 But this right-wing extremist group would have us believe that it feels incredibly threatened by Iran.

00:16:19.000 Now, that requires a mental gymnastic, because Israel has between 200 and 300 nuclear weapons deliverable by sea, underwater, missile and bomber, and Iran has none. 0.68

00:16:34.000 And the notion that were Iran to get one, That it would commit suicide by firing that one in the direction of Israel? 0.72

00:16:43.000 That's mind-boggling.

00:16:44.000 Okay, so what are the Israelis really afraid of?

00:16:47.000 Well, I've been told recently that Israel, of course, depends so much on immigration.

00:16:53.000 People coming in there and populating not only Israel, but the settlements that they're putting up on occupied land, occupied Palestinian land. 0.52

00:17:02.000 Now it has fallen off.

00:17:03.000 Why?

00:17:04.000 Well, because the settlers are a little afraid to come into Israel because of all this self-generated propaganda that Iran is a big threat.

00:17:13.000 Once Israel starts losing more than it's getting as immigrants, and that truly sounds the death knell for the Israeli state. 0.99

00:17:23.000 They're already threatened by the dynamics of population, and they just can't afford To have this kind of existential threat, in that sense.

00:17:33.000 And so, they'd like to do this, and the big controlling factor, of course, Alex, is the fact that our president and vice president are only going to be around for six more months.

00:17:45.000 Our president and our vice president have this special affinity, this passionate attachment, in George Washington's words, toward the state of Israel.

00:17:57.000 Olmert said it all after he talked to Bush on the 4th of June for an hour and a half.

00:18:02.000 He said, the President understands, and he knows how we need to destroy this threat, and he's assured me that before he leaves office, he'll take care of Iran. 1.00

00:18:12.000 That's right, that's an amazing statement.

00:18:16.000 That sounds a lot of finality there, sir.

00:18:19.000 Yeah, it's not like some commentator on Fox News.

00:18:24.000 Although it does sound like some kind of commentary on Fox News, this is the Prime Minister of Israel.

00:18:29.000 Now, does that sound like a man who thinks Bush is full of bluff and bluster?

00:18:34.000 I don't think so.

00:18:36.000 And I think that Bush and Cheney both feel that they have this personal commitment they've made to Israel to get rid of the Iranian threat before they leave office.

00:18:45.000 Now, were they to strike out militarily against Iran, there isn't a person, a sane person in this country that thinks That we could escape one scathe, or that it wouldn't be a disaster, not only for us, but for the State of Israel. 0.67

00:18:59.000 The Iranians have all manner of ways to retaliate, and they're not a pushover like Iraq.

00:19:08.000 And so, the logic of the thing is, oh, well this is just bluff and bluster.

00:19:12.000 But when you look, I think Alex had talked about this before, intelligence analysts, they feed off all kinds of classified stuff, But the real meat and potatoes for our job are authoritative statements at the highest level, okay?

00:19:30.000 And when Olmert says what he just said...

00:19:33.000 And when, what I'm about to tell you, what Scowcroft said just a couple years ago, then you'll understand a little bit better what I'm talking about and weighing the role that Israel's playing.

00:19:42.000 Yes, sir.

00:19:43.000 I want to talk about what will, you know, the different breaks, different scenarios that could happen, when you think it's going to happen, if it does, then hopefully ways to turn it around.

00:19:52.000 Then we'll look at Iraq, Afghanistan, and what's going to happen economically, bare minimum, if this strike takes place.

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00:23:06.000 9-11 was an inside job.

00:23:09.000 Do you like being a puppet, sir?

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00:23:12.000 How do the American people know that 9-11 was a stage?

00:23:14.000 Was it engineered by you, David Rockefeller, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR?

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00:24:01.000 Ray McGovern is my guest for the rest of the hour.

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00:24:16.000 You've gotten to the point of, yes, Brent Skrokoft.

00:24:21.000 We've had Jimmy Carter come out, so many others trying to warn us.

00:24:25.000 Please continue, sir.

00:24:27.000 Yes, Alex.

00:24:28.000 The thing I'd like to repeat about Brent Scowcroft is simply this, that when you're looking for good sources and intelligence, you look for people who've been around for a while, people who have been on the inside, people who have contemporary information about what's going on.

00:24:43.000 And the quintessential source in this respect was Brent Scowcroft when he was head of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

00:24:53.000 Now, that's under the youthful president, Bush II.

00:24:58.000 Under Bush I, he was the National Security Advisor, so he's a heavyweight fellow.

00:25:02.000 He knows his way around.

00:25:04.000 Now, in the middle of 2004, he saw fit to go to the Financial Times and say two things to them.

00:25:11.000 He said, The American people should know that Ariel Sharon, who was then the Israeli Prime Minister, has our President wrapped around his little finger.

00:25:22.000 That Ariel Sharon has our President mesmerized.

00:25:27.000 Those were Scowcroft's words.

00:25:29.000 The next Monday, of course, he was canned from his job.

00:25:32.000 But this was so atypical of Scowcroft, it scratched my head.

00:25:37.000 Why?

00:25:37.000 Why would he do that?

00:25:38.000 Why?

00:25:40.000 Why would he step out and say those things?

00:25:42.000 The explanation seems very simple.

00:25:47.000 He thought it very important for the American people to know that this was an unbalanced president we had, that he has somehow been captivated by his Israeli allies, and that he's pretty much under their spell. 0.79

00:26:01.000 Do you think that's just being captivated, or do you think he's being blackmailed?

00:26:05.000 Well, you know, it's kind of a fine line here.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, I don't think they have much to blackmail him on, but they do have Dick Cheney sitting right in there telling him what to do.

00:26:16.000 It's very, very curious, because Sharon was the person who escorted Governor George W. Bush, when he was governor in Texas in 1999, on a trip by the Republican Jewish Committee.

00:26:32.000 And they took him over to Gaza, and he took him over in a helicopter over the West Bank and so forth.

00:26:38.000 And he, you know, swashbuckling testosterone, oozing from every pore, really impressed the President.

00:26:46.000 That's what the President would really like to be.

00:26:48.000 And so he's, you know, watch him when he's in Israel and Olmert is praising him.

00:26:54.000 He turns into sort of like a, like butter and jelly.

00:26:58.000 Gosh, these people appreciate me.

00:27:02.000 And he has undertaken, Olmert has said it, He has undertaken to make sure that the Israelis do not have to live with a nuclear weapon.

00:27:10.000 Now, Ron Paul's talking about... I'm sorry, sir, go ahead, you were about to say something.

00:27:15.000 No, I was just going to say, the only break on this activity has not been in the Congress, certainly not in the press.

00:27:22.000 But on the part of the uniformed military service people.

00:27:25.000 That's what I was going to bring up was Admiral Fallon.

00:27:29.000 I mean, this wasn't some shrieking violent.

00:27:32.000 Why is the brass saying no to the war in a huge exodus?

00:27:36.000 Well, they know better than anyone else that this would be a disaster, not only for Israel, not only for our country, but for the armed forces over which they hold command and which they care about very much to their credit. 0.75

00:27:52.000 So Fallon, you know, watching the way our policy is being devised, he spoke out and told people he knew would get to the press that we're not going to do Iran on my watch.

00:28:03.000 And he had used all kinds of reasons why it would be a crazy thing to do.

00:28:07.000 He knew that would come out in the press.

00:28:09.000 He was willing to accept the consequences.

00:28:11.000 Why?

00:28:12.000 Because he didn't want to be on the receiving end of an order from the likes of Dick Cheney and Elliott Abrams.

00:28:19.000 Why do the politicians throughout history do what Napoleon did, do what Hitler did, even though they were military men?

00:28:26.000 I mean, they're constantly miscalculating.

00:28:29.000 I'm no expert, but I can read what all the experts say.

00:28:31.000 I can study history.

00:28:32.000 I'm a student of history.

00:28:34.000 I mean, I guarantee you we've already lost our good name.

00:28:37.000 If we are sucked into premeditatedly attacking Iran, and then say we're going to nuke them with mini-nukes if they fight back, and then everybody knows we've got special ops in there staging events, I mean, we're definitely the bad guys here. 0.80

00:28:51.000 There's no way to win this.

00:28:52.000 That's true.

00:28:54.000 It was also true of Iraq.

00:28:56.000 But you know, people who have watched this, wise people, people like Thomas Powers, who often writes for the New York Review of Books, he's got an article out in the July issue, and let me just read you a little thing he says at the end, which really struck me.

00:29:12.000 He says, the President's frustration is really evident.

00:29:16.000 Saddam Hussein's gone, but Iran remains defiant and more powerful than ever. 1.00

00:29:21.000 The President's male pride seems to have been aroused.

00:29:25.000 He's going to solve this problem, and he doesn't want to back down.

00:29:29.000 Look at his body language, says Powers.

00:29:31.000 But does he have the power to carry out his threats?

00:29:36.000 That's the $64 question. 0.93

00:29:38.000 And we know they're using the mentally unstable mental midget as a front for other interests. 1.00

00:29:43.000 I want to talk about, when we get back from break, the power behind the throne. 0.87

00:29:46.000 In fact, we're going to skip this break and talk behind the scenes right now with Ray McGovern.

00:29:50.000 We're on the march.

00:29:54.000 Okay, Mr. McGovern, for the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers and Internet listeners, we're still going here.

00:29:58.000 We're going to come back and get back into the same area.

00:30:00.000 I really appreciate you coming on.

00:30:02.000 I forgot to ask you, are there any areas that you want to cover that we're not getting into right now?

00:30:07.000 Well, I think we need to mention, at least tangentially, the oil giants that are back in Iraq now.

00:30:15.000 So, The Ike's on mobile, but the ones that were kicked out 36 years ago are now back in.

00:30:22.000 So if there's anyone in the country that still believes this has nothing to do with oil, that puts a kibosh on that.

00:30:28.000 And then if you'd like to discuss some of the material that came out of the hearing with Addington and John Yoo last week... Oh, about torture, yeah.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, that was just an incredibly arrogant performance, and there's lots of stuff in there Cries out for commentary and if John Conyers Uh, doesn't face into this kind of humiliation with a strong stance.

00:30:55.000 Uh, you know, I give up, uh, give up any hope.

00:30:58.000 Well, we need to talk about why they've got the Congress so gelded, uh, you know, why they're so prostrate.

00:31:05.000 Uh, so, uh, we'll, uh, talk about the, uh, gelded Congress and some of the strong arm, uh, stuff that is, uh, going on, uh, as well.

00:31:15.000 Uh, how are you feeling?

00:31:16.000 How you doing?

00:31:17.000 I'm doing alright.

00:31:18.000 Yeah, I have five more weeks of this chemo stuff.

00:31:22.000 It gets me a little tired sometimes, but I've been very, very lucky in escaping some of the worst side effects and consequences.

00:31:31.000 So, prognosis is good, and I'm just very thankful.

00:31:34.000 So, I know you're always a really positive guy, but it really is good.

00:31:38.000 Well, that is just so fantastic.

00:31:41.000 We need to keep you around, Mr. McGovern.

00:31:43.000 You need to see these scallywags go to prison. 1.00

00:31:47.000 We should also speak some about Obama.

00:31:49.000 He's been talking about Iran being a big threat.

00:31:53.000 What elite do you think is handling him?

00:31:56.000 Just because I want to get your analysis on that.

00:31:59.000 We're going to be back live in one minute, sir.

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00:33:01.000 Why?

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00:33:08.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:33:14.000 Senior CIA analyst Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr.

00:33:18.000 gave them their morning briefings.

00:33:21.000 Highly respected in his field.

00:33:23.000 Ray McGovern with us for the rest of the hour.

00:33:28.000 We're going to open the phones up here in about 10 minutes.

00:33:32.000 1-800-259-9231 specifically for Mr. McGovern.

00:33:35.000 You can put your questions to him.

00:33:39.000 We've got several subjects here that we're going to be discussing.

00:33:44.000 Mr. McGovern, right now, I remember a few months ago people were saying on the inside they're going to attack Iran.

00:33:50.000 I'm like, they're discredited.

00:33:52.000 Iran doesn't have weapons.

00:33:54.000 They're five, six years away from it.

00:33:56.000 Israel has hundreds of nukes.

00:33:58.000 But they just don't care.

00:34:00.000 They're going forward with it.

00:34:03.000 Looking at this now, do you think they are intending to go ahead and hit him?

00:34:07.000 Whether the hair, lips, the admiral, just as you said, in September or so, as a springboard for McCain?

00:34:16.000 Well, they're all set to do it, Alex.

00:34:17.000 All they need is the execute order from, hopefully from Bush, but it probably will come from Cheney, through Gates, through the Joint Chiefs, and then out to the combatant commanders.

00:34:30.000 Uh, it'll be different from Iraq. 0.87

00:34:33.000 There'll be mostly air involved.

00:34:34.000 The Air Force, uh, those folks who live out in those bases where the, uh, those stealth bombers, uh, take off from, uh, uh, keep a lookout and let us know if you see them leave their bases one night because that's what, that's what will start this thing.

00:34:49.000 So they're all set to go.

00:34:50.000 The question is whether, uh, uh, whether the uniformed service, uh, generals, And do what they've been doing, and I say, well, Mr. President, let us talk to you about this.

00:35:02.000 We wish we had done this before Iraq, but this time we just want to make sure that you know what's going to happen on day three and on week two, and what the Iranians are capable of, and whether you really want to do this, Mr. President. 0.99

00:35:17.000 Now, I've been thinking for a long time that that is the only deterrent to this kind of thing for several months.

00:35:24.000 Cy Hersh's article in the New Yorker, Thomas Powers' article in the New York Review of Books, everybody's pretty much got a good beat on this now.

00:35:33.000 Dana Priest in the Washington Post a year and a half ago said there could be a mutiny among the uniformed officers.

00:35:41.000 Now, they've said that if Iran fights back in any way, that is called terrorism.

00:35:48.000 Now, Iran has laid down while special ops and Wahhabi al-Qaeda forces have been attacking, blowing up mosques, shooting up police schools for years.

00:35:57.000 And now the President's openly announcing a $400 million dollar escalation.

00:36:01.000 The Iranians are suing the United States for staging terror attacks. 1.00

00:36:06.000 How can the White House be staging Al-Qaeda attacks while saying that Iran is Al-Qaeda when they're Shiite? 0.80

00:36:16.000 Well, Alex, how can the White House square any number of circles?

00:36:22.000 The answer is that the What I call the fawning corporate media, let them get away with it.

00:36:28.000 And so the American people, busy as they are with two jobs, putting bread on the table, just don't have time or opportunity to learn the truth.

00:36:38.000 So, you know, McCain can foul up and talk about Al-Qaeda when he means the Shias and all that kind of stuff.

00:36:44.000 It doesn't really matter, because what they get is a steady diet of support.

00:36:52.000 Well, as you said last week, Iran has been extremely restrained.

00:36:56.000 Imagine if the U.S. 0.70

00:36:57.000 was really being attacked by a foreign power.

00:36:59.000 The foreign power announces, we got special forces in your country, trying to goad them, trying to make it be a political crisis in Iran.

00:37:07.000 Their people are saying, why aren't you doing something?

00:37:11.000 All of this is happening.

00:37:12.000 I mean, what do you and what do other analysts see Iran doing?

00:37:16.000 I mean, even if Iran does nothing, Bloomberg and other analysts are reporting 5,000 an ounce gold.

00:37:23.000 Ron Paul is saying a tripling in oil overnight.

00:37:26.000 We're talking $12, $14 a gallon.

00:37:29.000 I mean, this is going to be our ruination.

00:37:32.000 Well, it would cause a worldwide recession, at least, and perhaps depression.

00:37:39.000 What the Iranians are looking at are a bunch of reckless operators who have recruited the dregs among the minorities that populate the outlying areas of Iran. 1.00

00:37:52.000 These are pinpricks.

00:37:54.000 They're not going to make any difference other than to make the Iranian people more steadfast in resisting this kind of thing.

00:38:01.000 The Iranians, of course, have a long history with the U.S., going back to 1953 when we removed their duly elected prime minister, Mossadegh, because he made that terrible mistake of thinking that the oil under Iranian sands belonged to Iran.

00:38:18.000 Can you imagine?

00:38:19.000 He thought that the oil in Iran belonged to the Iranians.

00:38:22.000 And it didn't matter if he was anti-communist and anti-Islamic extremist and trained in the West.

00:38:28.000 He wouldn't give BP all the oil, Anglo-American oil, so he had to be overthrown by Kermit Roosevelt.

00:38:36.000 Sure, and they remember that, and they also remember Yeah, they remember that the U.S.

00:38:43.000 supported Saddam Hussein when Hussein started a nine-year war against Iranians.

00:38:49.000 Do you know that the Iranians lost more people in that war than the U.S.

00:38:54.000 lost in the combination of World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and Vietnam?

00:38:59.000 It's over a million, isn't it, sir?

00:39:01.000 Yeah!

00:39:02.000 And so, you know, they have this history with the United States, and to expect them to regard us with favor, Given what we continue to do, it is a pipe dream.

00:39:13.000 Also, didn't our government help train, the British helped train, Savak, who admittedly tortured to death and killed over 200,000 people?

00:39:20.000 Well, that was a real... Savak was the Shah's secret police, trained mostly by the British and the Israelis, actually, particularly in the torture techniques. 0.79

00:39:32.000 And this is something that's worth mentioning.

00:39:35.000 When Khomeini came in, People were thinking, oh, wasn't he smart?

00:39:41.000 He had these little cassettes, you know?

00:39:42.000 They'd make cassettes in Paris of his sermons.

00:39:45.000 And that's what made the revolution.

00:39:47.000 You know what made the revolution, Alex?

00:39:49.000 Torture made the revolution.

00:39:51.000 Everybody and his brother had an uncle or a brother or somebody that they knew who had been tortured by Savak.

00:39:58.000 And as soon as the balloon went up, they all congregated and got that army the hell out of there.

00:40:03.000 Khomeini came in.

00:40:04.000 That reaped the whirlwind, but it was torture that turned those people into a revolutionary mass.

00:40:12.000 So how dare the Iranians not love us after all we've done to them?

00:40:18.000 Well, I think that, you know, they hate us so much that I think they may be miscalculating here because, you know, there are things that Ahmadinejad and others could avoid saying that would put them in a better situation diplomatically.

00:40:33.000 And I dare say that they may be miscalculating because, like everyone else, they realize what a disaster it will be for the United States.

00:40:42.000 Ergo, Cheney and Bush will not do it.

00:40:46.000 Bad, bad ergo, huh?

00:40:48.000 They did the same thing with respect to Iraq.

00:40:52.000 The betting is that someone will tell Bush what a disaster this will be, and he won't do it.

00:40:58.000 Well, you know, Bush has not told anything that Cheney doesn't want to tell him.

00:41:03.000 Bush doesn't read the newspapers.

00:41:05.000 He admits that.

00:41:05.000 Well, Bush also says he believes in order out of chaos.

00:41:08.000 He said it, and he thinks if he gets us in a big enough war, we'll gut up and have to win it.

00:41:13.000 But now since you bring that up, did you read the letter from one of the Council on Foreign Relations Well, he's the head of the Hart Rubin Commission, Gary Hart, where he published it in the Huffington Post, and we interviewed him.

00:41:28.000 We, our change, talked to him, and he said, yes, I'm saying in that letter, our government may stage terror events as a pretext.

00:41:34.000 And he tells Iran in the letter, he says, you better do what we say. 0.89

00:41:38.000 Don't you think because 80% of the American people don't want to attack you, we won't?

00:41:42.000 Our government will stage events to come in.

00:41:46.000 What do you think he meant by that?

00:41:48.000 Well, you know, this dovetails with what Cy Hirsch says in his article in The New Yorker.

00:41:53.000 He talks about a meeting that Cheney ran, and the whole subject of the meeting was how to stage a phony incident so that it could be used to start a war.

00:42:03.000 Say that again. 0.71

00:42:04.000 How to stage an incident That could be used as a cusp of spelly, a reason for war.

00:42:12.000 And who was saying that?

00:42:13.000 This is Cy Hirsch quoting a high-level former intelligence official.

00:42:18.000 See, that's something I haven't seen, but then we have the White House memo where Bush is talking to Blair about staging events.

00:42:25.000 Yeah, it's one of the things they were contemplating before Iraq.

00:42:31.000 They may do it, they may not.

00:42:33.000 They may succeed in doing it, they may not.

00:42:36.000 But this whole business in the Gulf is very volatile because we've got more ships in there than you can shake a stick at.

00:42:42.000 And of course, the Iranians have hundreds of these little boats they can shoot a rocket and sink a ship with no problem at all. 1.00

00:42:51.000 So, you know, if the Iranians were smart, they would number all their little boats and ships and give a listing to the U.S. 1.00

00:43:00.000 Navy and say, now if you find a number that doesn't appear on this list, Be aware, because this might be what we call a false flag thing, and see if those people are speaking Hebrew.

00:43:12.000 Good God!

00:43:13.000 Let's get through a few other subjects here.

00:43:15.000 Speaking of that, as we know, our own Army's report came out the day before 9-11, said Israel is capable of staging false flags and blaming it on countries to get us into wars.

00:43:27.000 We have Israel's Haaretz Jerusalem Post admitting Israel has fake, quote, Al-Qaeda groups staging terror events to always snafu the peace process.

00:43:36.000 We have all of this going on.

00:43:38.000 We have all the suspicions and questions you've had about 9-11.

00:43:42.000 Do you think that we're in greater danger than ever of some type of staged event?

00:43:49.000 Well, I think that's the way... If there's to be an attack on Iran, I think that's the way it will start. 0.75

00:43:54.000 It'll have to be some sort of a staged provocation, and as I tried to say a little while ago, Eminently easy to do in the Gulf or elsewhere.

00:44:08.000 The only problem is that it has to be big enough so that the Iranians will feel compelled to retaliate. 0.94

00:44:14.000 Iranians are smarter than anyone thinks. 0.99

00:44:18.000 They can take these pinpricks, and they can take these little assaults, and there's some real question as to whether the Iranians will rise to the occasion. 1.00

00:44:29.000 What I see happening is a provocation, and then the Israelis take off and they do what they did towards Iraq back in 1981. 0.97

00:44:38.000 We give them all the satellite photography, all the means of ingress and egress.

00:44:43.000 They bomb the hell out of some of the Iranian nuclear facilities.

00:44:48.000 And then, as night follows the day, the Iranians will be required to retaliate, and we will jump in with both feet, that is, the United States will. 0.82

00:44:57.000 And we'll have a major regional war there. 0.90

00:45:00.000 We will try to bomb as many sites as we can with the thought that, you know, we can avoid a wider war just by doing this all from the air, put back that nuclear program five to ten years, and then Bush and Cheney will slap each other in the back and say, well, we promised to Olmert and before him, Sharon, that we'd do it.

00:45:22.000 We've finally done it.

00:45:23.000 Let's go off into the sunset.

00:45:25.000 But there's no doubt, there's no doubt according to every analyst, financial, military, intelligence, that this will cause energy prices to at least double again, maybe triple, and that will sink the dollar, sink the economy, and a lot of you neocon listeners out there, you're talking about potential homelessness.

00:45:44.000 I mean, it's just, it's insane.

00:45:48.000 Yeah, and maybe a reason will prevail.

00:45:51.000 Maybe someone will get to Bush and say, look, you know, Dick Cheney's away tonight, but we'd really like to talk to you about what's really going to happen if you do this.

00:46:00.000 So there is some hope that it can be avoided, but right now they look like they're on that course.

00:46:05.000 And with the help of the media and the aiding and abetting by Congress, suggesting things that Olmert originally suggested, the blockade, for example, these things are very disquieting.

00:46:17.000 And unless, as you know Alex, I think impeachment is the answer here.

00:46:23.000 If John Conyers got off his rear end and started impeachment proceedings, then our uniformed military would have the kind of encouragement to say, wait a second now, this isn't about danger to us or even Israel.

00:46:36.000 This is something that the President is going to have talked about.

00:46:40.000 Well, that's my next point.

00:46:41.000 That's my next point.

00:46:45.000 Bush says that Congress can't see PDD 51, but the cover sheet says it basically makes him a dictator.

00:46:51.000 The John Warner Defense Authorization Act says he's over the governor's the military for insurrection.

00:46:57.000 And then now I've talked to state police and others, they're being told now and given manuals, and we've seen them, that get ready, the president's going to be your leader, you owe allegiance to him.

00:47:05.000 I mean there's definitely even some darker things going on here.

00:47:10.000 That's a subject of great concern, yeah.

00:47:14.000 And I guess I fall back on the notion, and maybe it comes from an antiquated idea, of what the U.S.

00:47:19.000 Army is all about.

00:47:21.000 I was an Army officer, and it was drummed into us that we had to not only swear allegiance to the Constitution, but to act by it.

00:47:29.000 And for the President to use the Army in domestic law enforcement capacity was verboten by law.

00:47:36.000 It still is, as far as I know.

00:47:38.000 The Posse Comitatus Act And actually, one of the articles of impeachment that Dennis Kucinich has raised against the president is precisely because he's tried to violate that act.

00:47:51.000 So I think when push comes to shove, I hope anyway, that the uniformed military and perhaps even the governors who are supposed to have some sort of rule over the state police and the National Guard and that kind of thing, Well, I agree.

00:48:11.000 I think the bottom line here is that the country has a case of cancer, but we may be able to whip it.

00:48:18.000 The problem is that This corrupt elite is in power, but the good news is they are being discredited, they are getting in a lot of trouble, they are running out of steam, but I think they're more dangerous than ever during this last gasp.

00:48:35.000 But there's no doubt, and would you agree, Ray McGovern, that we're at one of the most dangerous points in American history?

00:48:42.000 I've been around for 45 years in this town, and I've not seen the likes of it.

00:48:46.000 Not Watergate, not Vietnam, not Iran-Contra.

00:48:50.000 Nothing like it, because the usual forces, Congress first and foremost, that discharge their constitutional obligations in all these other cases, they're not doing it now, both because of fear, both because of trying to make sure they win big in November, and also because of the Israel lobby, which is playing a very, very determinative role in all this.

00:49:16.000 Well, let's just call a spade a spade.

00:49:19.000 Most people in Congress know 9-11 isn't what they were told.

00:49:23.000 They know this is a deadly dangerous elite in power right now, and most of them that aren't on the payroll are, like you said, are scared.

00:49:30.000 I mean, I talk to people in power all the time, and they, I mean, people are scared.

00:49:35.000 They know.

00:49:36.000 And the public better realize that we are on the razor's edge here, folks.

00:49:40.000 I mean, this is The difference between our name destroyed, our currency destroyed, and a bunch of nuts running things versus some type of Hitlerian reign of terror.

00:49:51.000 And we're very close to that, and now is the time to get the word out like never before.

00:49:55.000 We're going to come back and get into torture.

00:49:57.000 You were talking to me during a break about, and we're going to keep talking through this break, we're folks behind the scenes watching, about torture.

00:50:04.000 We have John Yoo testifying, I watched some of it.

00:50:07.000 Very arrogant, very proud of himself.

00:50:11.000 Yeah, you know, I hate to quote Shakespeare on lawyers, you know, but it wasn't a real bad idea that he had, you know, first convertible lawyers.

00:50:23.000 What I watched there was just an unconscionable performance.

00:50:27.000 And what they missed is the most obvious, and I guess many lawyers do that.

00:50:32.000 They talk about John Yoo and David Addington preparing these torture memoranda.

00:50:38.000 But, you know, lawyers give advice.

00:50:41.000 Lawyers don't implement things. 1.00

00:50:43.000 Lawyers don't give orders. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Who gives orders?

00:50:46.000 The decider.

00:50:48.000 And that's what we have here.

00:50:49.000 And do we have a smoking gun?

00:50:52.000 Well, the nation needs to know that yes, indeed, we do have a smoking gun.

00:50:58.000 It's dated February 7th.

00:50:59.000 Tell you what, stay there.

00:51:00.000 We're going to talk behind the scenes, but come back.

00:51:03.000 Okay, Ray McGovern, again, on the internet right now, we're still live.

00:51:06.000 We're going to come back on the stations right after this.

00:51:08.000 Let me just put it to you in front of all the listeners here.

00:51:10.000 I promise I'll let you go then.

00:51:11.000 I got you on five minutes late.

00:51:13.000 Can I keep you to the five after?

00:51:15.000 Great.

00:51:15.000 Sure.

00:51:16.000 That way we have time to talk to Eric and Peggy and a few other callers.

00:51:19.000 We'll come back in the next segment, talk torture, then come back and take a few final calls.

00:51:22.000 Again, we have new listeners every millisecond.

00:51:26.000 It's really nice of you to spend this much time.

00:51:29.000 Continue, when you come back, get to the smoking gun, but just getting back to how you brought it up with Iran, and then we'll finish up when we come back with what you were saying earlier.

00:51:38.000 I mean, obviously the bad guys torture.

00:51:40.000 Obviously they torture to get false evidence.

00:51:42.000 I mean, you get people to confess or give you real material by taking care of their family or by giving them some type of break.

00:51:53.000 I know you know that, but some of the listeners may not.

00:51:57.000 But why do you think the White House was so forthcoming with the fact that they were into torture?

00:52:03.000 Was that what other dictators do?

00:52:06.000 Like trying to seduce the public into drinking from the evil well so that they themselves will then be basically sold into what's doing?

00:52:15.000 Well, since they've already committed to that level of evil, they're just going to go all the way?

00:52:20.000 Well, I think that and a combination of that Jack Bauer 24 business is part of it.

00:52:28.000 But I think it's more a part of intimidation, Alex.

00:52:33.000 You know, if they can torture Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, if, more important, they can torture U.S. 0.93

00:52:41.000 citizens like Jose Patia, born in New York, U.S.

00:52:46.000 citizen, then they can torture Alex Jones and they can torture Ray McGovern.

00:52:51.000 And this is supposed to have a dampening effect on what we do and what we say.

00:52:55.000 I was about to say, that is exactly my analysis, is that they, it's meant to further dumb down and sear the conscience of the dumbbells out there that'll buy anything, but mainly to the intellectuals or just to the general public, it's a threat.

00:53:09.000 Yeah, we're really dark bad guys.

00:53:11.000 You better, you know, everybody better be afraid of us.

00:53:14.000 Go ahead.

00:53:15.000 And the other aspect, you know, I hate to say this, but there are very distinct Sadistic tendencies on the part of our President and Vice President.

00:53:25.000 Vice President bragged about the dark side and all that.

00:53:28.000 But our President, you know, not only did he blow up frogs with firecrackers when he was 7, not only did he take shots with his BB gun at his siblings when he was 12, but when he was 21, okay?

00:53:41.000 When he was 21 at Yale, and head of the pledges for his fraternity, he took a coat iron. 0.93

00:53:50.000 Held it over an open fire, as a matter of course, and branded the pledges on their buttocks, okay?

00:53:57.000 Now, this was part of the routine until one of the- Say what? 0.68

00:54:01.000 Stay there, this is too important!

00:54:02.000 Here we go.

00:54:07.000 Absolutely amazing.

00:54:09.000 I'm just talking to Ray McGovern from Prison Planet TV viewers behind the scenes about why are they torturing?

00:54:15.000 And he said, well, it's to intimidate the public.

00:54:16.000 It's not just to intimidate the world or get fake confessions.

00:54:20.000 It's to let everybody know who is You know, not a complete sociopath.

00:54:25.000 That, hey, we mean business.

00:54:26.000 We're dark.

00:54:27.000 We're scary.

00:54:27.000 We are the bad guys.

00:54:29.000 Dick Cheney brags about the dark side. 0.92

00:54:31.000 I mean, these guys are into darkness, but he brought up how Bush likes to blow living frogs up and torture animals and shoot his siblings.

00:54:39.000 But then when he was 21, he wanted to brand pledges.

00:54:43.000 And absolutely, I mean, you can just look at Bush, and I don't usually judge a book by its cover, but if I saw that guy in a suit and tie walking down the dark road, I mean, he's scary looking.

00:54:53.000 That little demon face he makes, I mean, do we have no discernment?

00:54:56.000 I mean, Ray McGovern, as a CIA analyst, looking at him, just looking at the mannerisms, he has what maybe one in a thousand have, that just criminal, psycho look.

00:55:05.000 Ray McGovern.

00:55:08.000 We used to do, in the analytic part of the agency, what we called at-a-distance psychological assessments.

00:55:16.000 We had psychologists and psychiatrists doing this with us, and Justin Frank, who has written that wonderful book, Bush on the Couch, is cooperating with us even now as we speak, and we're going to draft a new memorandum to comment on what makes Bush tick from a psychological point of view, because I think that's equally important to any other aspect here.

00:55:38.000 You can talk geopolitics, but you have to look at the man and the kinds of things you were just mentioning.

00:55:44.000 Let me just finish up.

00:55:45.000 When he was 21 at Yale, okay?

00:55:47.000 And this is the New York Times reporting this, okay?

00:55:51.000 When he was 21, his job was to haze or to get the pledges into his fraternity or reject them.

00:55:59.000 He used to take a wire hanger, okay?

00:56:02.000 Put it over an open fire. 0.99

00:56:04.000 And then sort of brand them on their buttocks, okay? 0.98

00:56:07.000 Now, one of the budgets didn't much like this, and he found out who George W. Bush was. 0.97

00:56:12.000 His dad was a big shot.

00:56:14.000 He was at the U.N., I think at the time.

00:56:16.000 And so he called the New York Times, and he said, you know, you really ought to know this.

00:56:20.000 This is psychopathic.

00:56:22.000 So the Times called George W. Bush and said, is this right?

00:56:26.000 Is that what you're doing?

00:56:28.000 And you know what George W. Bush said?

00:56:31.000 Well, yeah, but you know, You know, the scars are nothing worse than, you know, cigarette burns.

00:56:38.000 Nothing worse than cigarette burns.

00:56:40.000 Total disconnect with reality.

00:56:42.000 Now, Colleen Rowley, the FBI agent who made quite a name for herself by blowing the whistle on FBI ineptitude on 9-11, she's one of our Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Saturday.

00:56:55.000 And she said, Ray, you know, if any of those things, the blowing up the frogs, the shooting your siblings with BB guns, the branding of pledges with white coat hangers, if any of those came to our attention in the resume of somebody applying for employment with the FBI, it would pour right into the circular file, because those people are pre-programmed to criminal activity later in life.

00:57:21.000 Jeffrey Dahmer!

00:57:23.000 Yeah, it's the same kind of thing.

00:57:24.000 So, these things are very important, and I hope that we'll be able to get something even more telling than we did.

00:57:30.000 Well, everybody knows that people that like to hurt animals are going to turn into psychopaths or criminals.

00:57:36.000 I mean, that's just a... I mean, 101.

00:57:41.000 So, we had these people recruited, these lawyers, and we saw them in action last week when they testified before the or dissimulated before the John Conyers Commission, you know, as I looked at them, and I said, well, there you go.

00:57:58.000 That's the full circle.

00:57:59.000 These are the mafia lawyers.

00:58:01.000 And they said, they said Bush is the law.

00:58:04.000 Sure.

00:58:05.000 Now, Alex, I'm from the Bronx, you know.

00:58:08.000 We know about the mafia.

00:58:09.000 I also lived in New Jersey.

00:58:11.000 We know about the mafia there, too.

00:58:12.000 And I'm reminded of what General Tuguba, you know, the only one that did a decent investigation of Abu Ghraib, I'm reminded of what he told Cy Hirsch.

00:58:24.000 After the investigation was completed, and he actually did an honest one, he finds himself in the back of a Mercedes with General Abizade in Kuwait.

00:58:34.000 Stay there! 0.92

00:58:34.000 We'll be back in one minute with Ray McGovern on just an amazing interview. 0.92

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01:00:03.000 Alright, I've got a ton of news coming up.

01:00:09.000 Other guests as well, but I'm backing them up a little bit.

01:00:11.000 Ray McGovern will be with us until about 12 or 13 after, because I want to be able to take a few calls.

01:00:16.000 from you, the listeners, Eric Peggy and others that are holding.

01:00:19.000 But he was talking about General Tugumba, the American general who ran the investigation and found they raped women, tortured people with acid and sexually.

01:00:31.000 I mean, this is Jeffrey Dahmer.

01:00:33.000 I can't list it all.

01:00:33.000 That's what he did.

01:00:36.000 I've read the report.

01:00:37.000 MSNBC's got a copy.

01:00:38.000 He's in the back of a limousine.

01:00:40.000 You've gotten to that point, sir.

01:00:41.000 The report has been leaked, okay?

01:00:45.000 I'll be saying, I'm sorry, Tugumba did an honest job, and it was a very damning report.

01:00:51.000 So his chief, the head of CENTCOM, turns to Toguba and says, I just want to let you know, General Toguba, that you and your report are being investigated.

01:01:04.000 And Toguba looks at him.

01:01:06.000 And then what he says to Cy Hirsch, who's interviewing him, he said, you know, Cy, I'd been in the army 32 years by then.

01:01:14.000 It was the first time that I thought I was in the Mafia.

01:01:17.000 Absolutely he is, God!

01:01:19.000 Now if you look at those lawyers last week, John Yu and David Addington.

01:01:24.000 The body language was Mafia!

01:01:26.000 Those were the Mafia lawyers.

01:01:28.000 The important point, and this is really important, and this is always missed by people, is that we have a smoking gun.

01:01:35.000 There was one memorandum signed by the President of the United States on February 7, 2002.

01:01:42.000 It's on the web.

01:01:43.000 You can download it in PDF form.

01:01:45.000 You can see the president's signature, which is two inches big with a felt pen.

01:01:51.000 And this was the authorization to torture.

01:01:54.000 What did it say?

01:01:55.000 It said that we're going to exempt the Taliban and Al-Qaeda from Geneva protections, and we will treat them, quote, humanely, comma, as appropriate, comma, and as consistent with military necessity, period, end quote. 0.91

01:02:11.000 That's not what Geneva says.

01:02:13.000 That was the loophole to which Don Rumsfeld and George Tenet, the head of the CIA, drove the Mack truck of torture.

01:02:20.000 February 2002.

01:02:21.000 What's happening with these memos on torture?

01:02:25.000 Well, those are the smart little mafia lawyers making it all legal, okay?

01:02:29.000 So you don't proceed against the lawyers, you proceed against the decider.

01:02:34.000 And the decider decided, and you have it in black and white.

01:02:37.000 Over his signature, I don't know what's keeping John Conyers and other people from saying, look, you authorized this, Mr. President.

01:02:45.000 It's torture.

01:02:45.000 It not only violates international law, it violates the U.S.

01:02:49.000 War Crimes Act of 1996, passed by a Republican-dominated legislature in this country.

01:02:56.000 Go directly to jail.

01:02:57.000 Do not pay $100.

01:02:58.000 Well, well, Ryan McGovern, I've looked at who they've got, you've looked at who they've got, I even have the section chief on, who wrote the book, what, Jawbreaker, about it, admitting that they were told, don't grab real people, that's politically dangerous, they'll try to kill us, just go grab some sheep herders, they'd pay actual Al-Qaeda, actual Taliban, upwards of $25,000 for 12-year-old kids, and then they'd just take them in and beat them to death, rape them, they'd hire jail guards that had bad records, 0.52

01:03:28.000 I mean, this is a sick joke! 0.60

01:03:30.000 I mean, it'd be bad enough torturing real Al-Qaeda, but they knowingly are torturing little kids!

01:03:37.000 Yeah, that's the worst of it.

01:03:40.000 The young boys who have grown up in Guantanamo, can you believe it?

01:03:46.000 What we need to do is get these things front and center, and I applaud Dennis Kucinich for standing up there for more than four hours a couple weeks ago and reading Thirty-five.

01:03:59.000 Thirty-five articles of impeachment against this president.

01:04:03.000 Now, as you probably remember, Nixon went down with just three.

01:04:06.000 Three were voted out of the Judiciary Committee in 1974, and he quit the next week.

01:04:12.000 You don't need thirty-five, but all thirty-five, any one of those things, would be enough to impeach this president and hit John Conyers.

01:04:20.000 Maybe, Alex, just maybe.

01:04:20.000 You know?

01:04:22.000 This wiretapping?

01:04:24.000 You know, this unauthorized eavesdropping?

01:04:27.000 Yes, maybe they're doing a J Edgar Hoover on these people.

01:04:31.000 Maybe they've got stuff on Conyers, maybe they've got stuff on Pelosi and the others.

01:04:36.000 Well, we know the British are doing that. 0.94

01:04:38.000 It's come out that MI6 and Five are spying on the whole Parliament illegally.

01:04:44.000 There must be some explanation as to why John Conyers has all of a sudden lost his backbone.

01:04:49.000 Alright, we're going to keep talking during this break, then come back and take a few final phone calls with Ray McGovern.

01:04:54.000 and stay with us.

01:04:55.000 Sir, finishing up with torture, and we'll come back and take two calls, and then that's going to be it.

01:05:06.000 First up in line is Eric and Peggy.

01:05:08.000 Right, John?

01:05:09.000 That's correct.

01:05:10.000 I know there's a lot of other calls.

01:05:11.000 Any other good ones you think for the guest?

01:05:13.000 Those will probably do it.

01:05:14.000 Okay, those will probably do it.

01:05:16.000 Give me one more in case one of them's not there.

01:05:18.000 Okay, I'll find one for you.

01:05:19.000 Okay, good.

01:05:21.000 Ray, just in closing, because a lot of folks will still be watching this on the web later and live now. 0.99

01:05:27.000 To me, there's something otherworldly about, like unreal, not even otherworldly, of having John Euby ask at the CFR in Chicago, I'm sure you've heard the tape, okay, so you can crush children's testicles in front of their parents? 0.98

01:05:41.000 He said yes. 0.90

01:05:42.000 And then to see him in the little piggy eyes and the weird posturing, I mean, it's like Hollywood, usually books don't match the cover, but with these guys, They look, many of them, even more evil than the Nazis did. 0.65

01:05:58.000 You know, there was something evil looking about Nazis.

01:06:00.000 I mean, I don't know how to describe it.

01:06:01.000 It's just hard to believe that they actually do this.

01:06:07.000 Well, you know, I have to agree with you.

01:06:10.000 You can see why they kept Addington under wraps. 0.98

01:06:13.000 He's such an arrogant son of a gun that he doesn't do anybody any good by just behaving the way he normally behaves. 0.97

01:06:21.000 You know, it's hard to... 0.99

01:06:24.000 It's hard to question what you just said.

01:06:27.000 And the way he danced around all those questions and exculpated himself and wouldn't answer them.

01:06:33.000 If John Conyers and those people on the Judiciary Committee weren't thoroughly humiliated by being subjected to that kind of arrogance, then I just think we'd write off the Judiciary Committee and the House of Representatives because they're a bunch of wimps if they don't pay attention to this.

01:06:54.000 Well, I just, um... 0.91

01:06:58.000 I mean, to me, it really does look like you've got a pack of aggressive people in a pissing contest showing off to each other, and it's just a pack of yes-men and tough talkers, and I've analyzed who most of these people are, and I think it really does come down to a bunch of wimp punks acting tough and about to wreck the planet. 0.99

01:07:20.000 I mean, I hate to reduce it down to that, but it just really comes off like that.

01:07:25.000 Do you have any comments along those lines?

01:07:28.000 Well, I wouldn't expect any more from the Mafia lawyers, okay?

01:07:32.000 But I would expect more from the Judiciary Committee members who clearly hadn't read the material, clearly were not up to fencing with these very artful lawyerly dodgers.

01:07:43.000 And so, what we really have here is a breakdown in our system.

01:07:48.000 These people that we've elected are chickening out, they're not prepared, And this is important stuff.

01:07:56.000 I mean, you know, when you let the President justify torture, he can justify anything.

01:08:02.000 And so we have a situation where they're unwilling to go after the President.

01:08:08.000 That's why I keep mentioning, please, readers, download the February 7th memorandum that the President signed, an action memorandum to all the members of the National Security Council.

01:08:19.000 Absolutely, sir.

01:08:20.000 We're going back live.

01:08:21.000 Here we go.

01:08:21.000 Final segment.

01:08:25.000 Well, the Congress is saying you can devalue the dollar, you can attack innocent countries, you can torture people, you can get rid of the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, the First Amendment.

01:08:36.000 Well, where do they stop then?

01:08:37.000 You see, when you just say to an executive, That you have a blank check, where and when do they stop?

01:08:43.000 I mean, I guess, in the final equation, Ray McGovern, and we'll take two final calls here, that's what it boils down to, and then I guess, if we even make it to another election, the Democrats are acting like they intend to continue, I guess, AIPAC's directive.

01:09:02.000 Well, look, that way, and, uh, you know, if we didn't have such good material here, uh, I mentioned not only the 7 February memorandum from the President, but the 25 January 2002 memorandum signed by Alberto Gonzalez, but drafted by David Eddington, which is really a masterpiece.

01:09:23.000 Talks about the War Crimes Act of 1996 and how the President might be able to escape, uh, prosecution under that.

01:09:34.000 It's hard to predict the motives of prosecutors and independent counsels who might in the future decide to pursue charges based on the War Crimes Act, but if you determine that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are exempt, this would create a reasonable basis in law That the War Crimes Act does not apply.

01:09:56.000 And that would provide a defense against future prosecution.

01:10:00.000 But it violates U.S.

01:10:01.000 It violates common law.

01:10:01.000 law.

01:10:03.000 It violates... Yeah, does that sound like a mafia lawyer to you?

01:10:07.000 Absolutely.

01:10:09.000 It's just incredible.

01:10:10.000 Two final calls.

01:10:11.000 Eric in California and then Peggy.

01:10:13.000 Eric, you're on the air with Ray McGovern.

01:10:16.000 Hey Alec, how you doing?

01:10:17.000 This is Eric in San Diego.

01:10:18.000 It's good to talk to you again.

01:10:21.000 And also, a warm welcome to you, Ray.

01:10:23.000 I sure do appreciate your work and your great work for the cause of liberty.

01:10:29.000 Sure.

01:10:31.000 Up until last week, late last week, I was a firm believer in writing in Ron Paul, and I went and saw Chuck Baldwin speak.

01:10:39.000 Sir, we're taking calls for Ray McGovern on the issue of torture, war.

01:10:44.000 Do you have any comments on it?

01:10:46.000 Well, my comment is more along the lines of FEMA using asterisks in use of Romans 13.

01:10:55.000 Okay, let's bring that up to Ray McGovern.

01:10:58.000 Ray, I'm sure you've heard that it's now come out.

01:11:00.000 I reported a year and a half before it came out.

01:11:02.000 I got the classified documents.

01:11:04.000 They have covertly recruited 26,000 preachers, FEMA has, and have them giving sermons, but they don't tell their flock to turn your guns in, go to camps, Jesus wants you to.

01:11:15.000 I mean, is that not creepy?

01:11:17.000 Gosh.

01:11:19.000 Actually, Alex, I can't comment on that because I've not been up on that.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, but I know being in the CIA, you read about other communist countries and third world nations where they have similar things.

01:11:30.000 I mean, that's pretty bad.

01:11:33.000 Unbelievable.

01:11:33.000 Okay, anything else, Eric?

01:11:35.000 Because I held him over to take a few questions.

01:11:37.000 You know, when I brought it up to Chuck, during the question and answer session, he said that he was confronted with that program, and he went back to his flock, because he has a church in Pensacola, Florida, He went back to his flock and told his flock to buy weapons.

01:11:55.000 I remember him talking about that.

01:11:56.000 I need to get Chuck Baldwin on.

01:11:57.000 He's a great guy.

01:11:58.000 Constitution Party.

01:12:00.000 And, you know, I'm going from writing in Ron Paul to being a firm supporter of Mr. Baldwin.

01:12:00.000 Absolutely.

01:12:06.000 Okay, good.

01:12:07.000 Thank you, sir.

01:12:08.000 Peggy in Pennsylvania, and I'm going to let Ray McGovern go.

01:12:10.000 Go ahead.

01:12:12.000 Mr. McGovern?

01:12:13.000 Hi, Peggy.

01:12:14.000 Hi.

01:12:14.000 I think you're absolutely right about the lawyerly mind in the United States today.

01:12:19.000 I've seen it myself in Ohio.

01:12:21.000 And don't forget that these people form a network in the highest places in the government and also with people of like mind in other countries.

01:12:29.000 But the one fear that every human should have is fear of a retribution or revenge.

01:12:36.000 It seems to me that I remember Russia stating that if Iran was attacked by Israel or the United States, Russia would send nuclear missiles back.

01:12:46.000 Isn't either of these two countries afraid of that?

01:12:50.000 Well, I'm not familiar with the Russian statement that you quote here.

01:12:56.000 I am.

01:12:56.000 It was one of their foreign ministers about two months ago just said, look, we have nuclear weapons and we'll use them.

01:13:03.000 But go ahead.

01:13:04.000 Yeah.

01:13:05.000 Yeah.

01:13:06.000 The Russians, I can't quite figure out. 1.00

01:13:08.000 I was on Russian TV last week and I asked the people, you know, aren't you concerned about what might happen just south of your border here that might end up using many nukes?

01:13:19.000 And they smiled and said, well, you know, you guys are digging your own grave here.

01:13:24.000 And besides, we've got all the oil.

01:13:26.000 And they're going to make a pile of money on all this.

01:13:28.000 So they're acting like a bunch of capitalists, and I don't think even they realize how serious the situation is.

01:13:35.000 Yeah, I think there's a mass delusion of the public.

01:13:38.000 I talk to business people.

01:13:40.000 I happen to be at a party, and there was an oil company owner, pretty good size, one of the smaller companies, but still big.

01:13:47.000 And he's like, yeah, I know the dollar's going in the toilet.

01:13:49.000 I mean, it just seems like We've had it good so long, people can't understand that we have... It's almost a bulletproof, like a 14-year-old thinks they're bulletproof.

01:14:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:01.000 That's, I think, a good representation of the mindset, and it's going to be all the worse when the fall comes.

01:14:08.000 Yeah, I mean, I've seen so many people think they can play in traffic thinking they're bulletproof, folks.

01:14:12.000 When that semi hits you, you're dead!

01:14:14.000 Okay, Peggy, thank you so much.

01:14:15.000 Great question there at the end.

01:14:17.000 Ray McGovern, I know you're battling, and successfully, good prognosis, lymphoma, cancer, on chemo.

01:14:23.000 Gave us over an hour, and I'd like to have you back on the next month as new things develop.

01:14:27.000 You write a lot of columns for, what, Counterpunch?

01:14:30.000 Well, I see your stuff.

01:14:31.000 Just Google Ray McGovern, folks, and his writings are just all over the place.

01:14:36.000 Anti-war.

01:14:38.000 I normally write first for ConsortiumNews.com.

01:14:39.000 on Infowars.com.

01:14:41.000 And anything, any websites you think people should check out, sir?

01:14:45.000 Well, I normally write first for ConsortiumNews.com.

01:14:49.000 Consortium News.

01:14:50.000 If you want to get it right off the bat, you'll get it there.

01:14:53.000 Other websites normally pick it up.

01:14:56.000 ConsortiumNews.com.

01:14:58.000 Well, thank you so much, sir, and we really appreciate you defending the Republican, all of us, and we know there's a lot of other people with integrity.

01:15:06.000 Oh, that's a final question.

01:15:08.000 So many people I talk to in government won't go public, but so many now have.

01:15:13.000 Isn't that the silver lining that we are seeing?

01:15:15.000 Have Fallon stepped down?

01:15:17.000 We are seeing so many bigwigs say this is crazy?

01:15:22.000 I am encouraged on that score.

01:15:25.000 We need more of that, and we need to provide protection for these whistleblowers.

01:15:30.000 But ideally, when this order is given to strike Iran, somebody's going to go to the E.P.

01:15:37.000 and tell us a week before, so that we can really rally and try to do what we can to prevent it.

01:15:44.000 All right.

01:15:45.000 Thank you, Ray McGovern.

01:15:46.000 It's been my pleasure, and keep up the good work.

01:15:49.000 Thank you so much.

01:15:49.000 Take care, Ray McGovern.

01:15:52.000 Oh, what a great guy.

01:15:53.000 He is mooey sick, obviously taking chemotherapy and the rest of it, still spending over an hour with us.

01:15:59.000 Folks, people think they're bulletproof.

01:16:03.000 People think they're bulletproof.

01:16:04.000 The general public thinks it.

01:16:07.000 And that type of positive outlook helps in some ways in life, but in others it doesn't help.

01:16:18.000 In other areas of life, it doesn't help.

01:16:20.000 And, you know, earlier I read to you out of Bloomberg, I have AP, all the foreign headlines saying the dollar's plunging, the world asked the U.S.

01:16:29.000 to stabilize the dollar, OPEC does not like the prices this high, because they're not higher.

01:16:36.000 It is the dollar, it's denominated in dollars.

01:16:38.000 They're saying, you want us to stay on dollars?

01:16:41.000 To where people have got to use dollars to buy our oil, which keeps the dollar the world reserve currency, but now the world reserve currency is devaluing, so it takes more of them, and that's hurting everybody.

01:16:51.000 They're saying, why don't we put it in other currencies, like the euro, that's worth sixty-something percent more.

01:16:58.000 And that's not that complex of a thought, and you tell adults, you tell businessmen, you tell people that, and they just say, my dollar's fine.

01:17:04.000 I mean, the peso is approaching parity with the dollar.

01:17:10.000 Now you're going, well I've seen some price increases but I haven't seen that many.

01:17:13.000 That's right.

01:17:14.000 It hasn't hit here yet except in commodities like oil.

01:17:18.000 When it hits, folks, it's going to cascade very fast.

01:17:23.000 Don't you understand what we're facing here?

01:17:25.000 I know the listeners do, the general listeners, but I mean there are new listeners every day.

01:17:31.000 They're busy laughing at us, threatening us, sending us emails, snickering, snickering on the street.

01:17:36.000 This isn't funny! 0.99

01:17:39.000 And if I had a dollar for every time I've had a yuppie smart mouth me or make a YouTube video saying the dollar's fine, you're full of crap, you conspiracy theorist, I am not full of anything. 0.98

01:17:51.000 I am telling the truth. 0.98

01:17:55.000 Did we get Luke Rudowsky in the wings?

01:17:57.000 I'll call him right now.

01:17:57.000 Go ahead and get him on.

01:17:59.000 And this is another issue.

01:18:00.000 I'm going to go ahead and... I think about all the different facets to this.

01:18:08.000 And I try to judge and gauge human, the human condition, the human makeup.

01:18:16.000 I mean, I have enough trouble trying to gauge my own life.

01:18:21.000 I just know this, I'm a good guy.

01:18:24.000 I mean, I got my faults, but I'm doing this because I genuinely know we're under attack and we're under a great tyranny.

01:18:30.000 And things are getting worse very fast.

01:18:35.000 And I look at our movement, and I see great people at rallies and on the streets and in the message boards, but when it gets to our leadership, I really don't see a lot that encourages me.

01:18:47.000 I mean, there's people like George Butler, little known, he's a good guy.

01:18:52.000 Mark Horn, he's a good guy.

01:18:54.000 Jack McClam is a good guy.

01:18:55.000 Pastor Butch Paul is a good guy.

01:18:56.000 Ron Paul is a good guy.

01:19:01.000 Maybe there's another dozen or so people that are prominent, Stan Monteith's good.

01:19:07.000 People I know that are really good.

01:19:09.000 And it just freaks me out, because I'm like charging the enemy as hard as I can, trying to rally and warn on every rooftop.

01:19:16.000 I'll be exhausted not wanting to do radio interviews.

01:19:19.000 I'll just go ahead and do them, because I know I don't want to turn down warning people.

01:19:24.000 I do this out of wanting to warn people.

01:19:27.000 I'm not driven by the engine of my ego.

01:19:29.000 I wish I was.

01:19:30.000 Ten, fifteen years ago, I was to a greater extent.

01:19:33.000 I'm losing my ego.

01:19:35.000 And I've realized that I'm here, rushing the enemy in placements, and I've got a bunch of people behind me, bitching and griping about me, going, oh look, he's a big leader, he's big and fancy, we're jealous, making stuff up and making everything about me.

01:19:54.000 Which only makes me, quote, bigger.

01:19:57.000 But it hurts the movement and it's just so frustrating.

01:20:01.000 You ever have one of those days where everything goes right?

01:20:05.000 First, I get the best parking space at work.

01:20:07.000 Tonight, I have a date with a very lovely Rachel.

01:20:10.000 And today, I gave a killer presentation in Sydney, finalized a contract in London, and demoed our new product in Boston.

01:20:17.000 Online, from my desk, with Webex.

01:20:20.000 You got Radovsky?

01:20:20.000 Let's me take meetings and give presentations from my desk.

01:20:23.000 Not quite yet.

01:20:25.000 You didn't answer?

01:20:26.000 Oh.

01:20:27.000 Be, quote, bigger!

01:20:29.000 But it hurts the movement.

01:20:30.000 It's just so frustrating.

01:20:34.000 You ever have one of those days where everything goes right?

01:20:37.000 First, I get the best parking space at work.

01:20:39.000 Tonight, I have a date with a very lovely Rachel.

01:20:43.000 And today, I gave a killer presentation in Sydney.

01:20:45.000 Finalized a contract in London, and demoed our new product in Boston.

01:20:49.000 Online, from my desk, with Webex.

01:20:52.000 Webex lets me take meetings and give presentations from my desk.

01:20:55.000 I just talk to clients on the phone, and they watch what's happening on my desktop from their desktop.

01:21:00.000 So I can travel the world and still be here for my date tonight with Rachel.

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01:21:16.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:21:20.000 All week in the run-up to the release of Truth Rising on Friday, July 4th, a declaration of independence against the terrorists that carried out the attacks, I'm going to be having We Are Change, 9-11 Truth, everybody in this movement.

01:21:36.000 I want to get 9-11 Blogger on, I want to get Loose Change guys on, I want to get a whole bunch of people.

01:21:42.000 I'm trying to think of all the folks we should have on.

01:21:45.000 But Luke Rudowsky, first and foremost, with us, and then Stuart Howe, VR Change LA, coming up the next segment.

01:21:51.000 I'm going to get into a bunch of other news I haven't covered and recap some other issues.

01:21:57.000 Luke, you've seen Truth Rising.

01:21:59.000 I'm asking everybody to make copies of this like they've never made copies before.

01:22:03.000 We're going to have a DivX version up on PrisonPlanet.tv for easy, high-quality burn.

01:22:08.000 Just a regular computer disk.

01:22:10.000 Most new DVD players have DivX, so you can just give it to everybody that way.

01:22:15.000 It's time to really turn the heat up, so I'm trying to enlist all the activists to go to the next level, because this film will show people the excitement, show them how to demonstrate, how to take over media events.

01:22:25.000 It makes it exciting.

01:22:27.000 It also exposes the first responders not getting treatment.

01:22:30.000 Tell us what you think of Truth Rising.

01:22:33.000 Truth Rising is an amazing documentary that pretty much shows it all.

01:22:37.000 I would ask everybody to get that DVD, burn it on DVD, give it out to everybody, show it to everyone you can, because this is a mind-blowing documentary that will really make people understand what's really going on.

01:22:50.000 Now, it was late one night when we were covering Bilderberg that you guys had a chance to see it.

01:22:55.000 I mean, break down your view of the film.

01:22:58.000 Uh, the film starts off with the street action confrontation.

01:23:01.000 It goes into great detail with all the first responders who are sick and dying and all the troubles and all the headaches that they have to go through getting the proper help that they deserve.

01:23:11.000 It goes into many celebrities who are speaking out for not a lot of truth.

01:23:15.000 It's very well put together.

01:23:17.000 It's an amazing documentary and it's going to blow people's minds away.

01:23:21.000 Pass it on.

01:23:22.000 Make everybody watch it.

01:23:25.000 Now, I don't know if you heard the show earlier.

01:23:27.000 You probably didn't, but we have to make an issue out of this.

01:23:31.000 We need to file a complaint with YouTube.

01:23:32.000 They act most of the time.

01:23:34.000 They need to suspend this person calling for murder's account.

01:23:39.000 But there is an individual on there called Ariel Silverstein.

01:23:45.000 Who is calling, he says he'll pay $100,000 per 9-11 truther that is murdered with a bullet to the head.

01:23:53.000 He posted in the We Are Change, so this is your issue, the We Are Change, so you are aware of this?

01:24:00.000 Yeah, that user has sent us many death threats before.

01:24:04.000 He's been sending us death threats for the last couple of months.

01:24:06.000 Well, he says he's in.

01:24:07.000 He says he's in.

01:24:09.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:24:10.000 Yeah, you've been putting it on the comment, and he's also making fun of my, you know, best friend who passed away, saying a lot of hurtful, negative things, but he's also calling for, you know, the death and the murder of basically what was... And he lives there in New York?

01:24:25.000 I mean, have you called the police about this?

01:24:28.000 I have not called the police department yet on this, gentlemen.

01:24:31.000 It is only on YouTube that this man has been leaving his comments, but I'll probably be... Yeah, but I mean, I found a whole bunch where he says, kill our children, too.

01:24:38.000 I mean, this is getting serious.

01:24:40.000 He says, I will pay $100,000 for each truther that's killed, so get hunting. 0.99

01:24:46.000 It says, the only useful thing about this video is it's a convenient resource to identify all the moronic truther schizoids who need Bullets planted firmly in their heads. 1.00

01:24:57.000 I will pay $100,000 per truther, so get hunting. 0.98

01:25:00.000 Then he talks about Dan has been silenced.

01:25:02.000 Maggots have eaten you, Dan.

01:25:04.000 Ha ha ha. 0.97

01:25:05.000 No, no, Dan hasn't been silenced and you're the maggot because this is all being exposed and Dan will live on and his voice will live on and his father who died when the government blew up those towers, the firefighter. 0.91

01:25:18.000 It's sick, isn't it? 0.61

01:25:20.000 His memory will live on forever.

01:25:21.000 He's the driving force behind We Are Change.

01:25:25.000 We'll never forget him.

01:25:26.000 His message is always going to speak through our hearts, through our message.

01:25:30.000 And you've always said that.

01:25:31.000 You're not saying that now.

01:25:32.000 I mean, he may be dead, and his dad may be dead in the towers, but his voice isn't being stopped. 0.99

01:25:38.000 This little bastard needs to know that. 1.00

01:25:41.000 Yeah, it's definitely not going to be stopping, because we will continue to fight for what's right. 0.98

01:25:45.000 And we will remember him, we will love him, and it's sad, and you can see how low and down and dirty these people will get by disrespecting him, who, you know, Dan, who's passed away.

01:25:55.000 He was one of my best friends, and now even people outside here at Ground Zero, whenever we do our speed actions, they come and they have, you know, big signs with, you know, negative statements about Dan Wallace, and they hold it up next to us, and they try to antagonize us.

01:26:08.000 they try to start fights with us.

01:26:10.000 And, you know, they use the fact that my best friend died and a very close member of We Are Change died as a way to attack us and to try to bring it down.

01:26:18.000 Well, here's how you defeat them, folks.

01:26:20.000 You don't just say it.

01:26:21.000 You commit and you do it.

01:26:22.000 Buy a DVD burner.

01:26:23.000 They've got dual ones.

01:26:24.000 They're inexpensive.

01:26:26.000 Or we're going to have a DivX version, very easy to burn on regular discs.

01:26:29.000 All of you commit to make 100 copies over the next weekend.

01:26:33.000 Instead of just eating hot dogs and getting drunk, or doing whatever, or buying Walmart slave products, make copies of Truth Rising this weekend.

01:26:41.000 Let's have it explode immediately. 1.00

01:26:44.000 Because the globalists are scared, their little minions are scared.

01:26:48.000 Uh, and, uh, they want to stop us.

01:26:50.000 We need to intensify this.

01:26:51.000 The truth is rising.

01:26:52.000 9-11 truth is exploding everywhere.

01:26:55.000 No one can deny that fact.

01:26:57.000 Luke Rodowski, stay there.

01:26:58.000 Truth Rising comes out Friday.

01:27:00.000 T-minus four days.

01:27:03.000 We're on the march.

01:27:04.000 The Empire's on the run.

01:27:07.000 Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:27:10.000 Hey, give me the Luke real fast.

01:27:15.000 Hey Luke, for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, I don't want to waste these three minutes while he's getting Stuart Howell on, and I want to keep you over.

01:27:22.000 Talk about any issues you want, Luke.

01:27:25.000 Well, we're just working hard here in New York City planning for this year's 9-11-08 event.

01:27:30.000 We have many main-level acts like Saigon, Dead Prez, Harris, Chip Food, Channel Live, Cynthia McKinney, family members, rescue workers.

01:27:39.000 We're doing a huge benefit for 9-11 first responders this year.

01:27:43.000 In New York City.

01:27:44.000 Book your tickets right now.

01:27:45.000 We're doing a huge event at the Hammerstein Ballroom.

01:27:49.000 We're going to raise a lot of money.

01:27:50.000 We're going to do a lot of street actions.

01:27:52.000 And we're going to do the same as we did in 2006 and 2007.

01:27:54.000 But this year it's only going to be bigger in scale with what we're doing.

01:28:00.000 So that's pretty much what we've got planned for 9-11-08.

01:28:02.000 We're doing many important things.

01:28:06.000 We have a lot of projects in the works.

01:28:08.000 We're going to have new Confrontations videos coming out soon on our YouTube channel.

01:28:12.000 It's YouTube.com slash WeAreChange.

01:28:14.000 We do get a lot of death threats, but we're not scared because we have truth and love on our side and nothing will stop that.

01:28:21.000 I don't know, actually, if you know this, I'm also starting my own GCN show this Sunday at, I believe, 2 p.m.

01:28:27.000 Eastern.

01:28:27.000 I'm going to have my own show on the Genesis Communications Network.

01:28:31.000 Uh, the We Are Change Radio Network, where we will be debuting confrontations, having many high-level guests on, and we will be talking about everything that We Are Change is doing.

01:28:41.000 That's basically everything we're doing here in New York City.

01:28:43.000 We're working very hard, just got done with a couple meetings here, booking venues, booking acts.

01:28:48.000 This year, 9-11 is going to be one of the biggest here.

01:28:50.000 The event is called 2008 Now or Never, because it is now or never that we can take this country back.

01:28:55.000 This is the last year that the Bush administration is in office.

01:28:58.000 This is the few amount of time that we have now.

01:29:01.000 To really take back this country, take back the American Constitution, and fight back for it.

01:29:06.000 Now to be clear, we've got key momentum now, and I had always thought that 9-11 would recede, but now it's gotten so big, I think people realize it's both parties.

01:29:14.000 I think it's going to continue, but kind of like this, you have hills and then valleys, but you're always going up, and I think we're at the peak point.

01:29:21.000 I think it'll go like that and then back up, but the reason we expose it is because By exposing government-sponsored terror, false flag, a Galean dialectic, problem, reaction, solution.

01:29:31.000 By doing that, the people now suspect attacks, they investigate quicker.

01:29:37.000 If they do stage another attack, people day one will be picking up on more info, and it really discourages the enemy from staging more events.

01:29:46.000 It definitely does, and there's actually polls out there saying that there's more not-11-truthers than there are Democrats and Republicans. 0.88

01:29:52.000 We are in the majority of people who are investigating not-11, and we are stopping the next terrorist attack from happening. 0.50

01:29:57.000 We are fighting for this country, we are standing up for this country, and nothing can stop that.

01:30:01.000 People are waking up every day, just because of YouTube, just because of the Internet.

01:30:06.000 Every day, even when we're talking right now, people are waking up.

01:30:09.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

01:30:11.000 Stay there, Luke.

01:30:11.000 We're coming back.

01:30:13.000 Think about how far we have come.

01:30:22.000 We're going to go back to Luke Brodowski.

01:30:28.000 Stuart Howe of We Are Change LA as well is about to join us.

01:30:32.000 Countdown to Truth Rising this week.

01:30:36.000 Midnight Thursday going into Friday morning.

01:30:40.000 It's going to explode on the web at PrisonPlanet.tv.

01:30:43.000 We've got dedicated IT folks and people that are going to be there making sure it smoothly happens.

01:30:51.000 We appreciate him working and overseeing things on that holiday.

01:30:54.000 Very important holiday.

01:30:55.000 One of the few I actually celebrate.

01:30:57.000 I will not be here Friday.

01:30:58.000 Burmese may want to sit in. 0.98

01:31:00.000 It may be a live show.

01:31:00.000 I'm not sure.

01:31:01.000 I'm tempted to record something.

01:31:03.000 I've just got to see family and I've committed to take off more so I don't fall apart.

01:31:07.000 We're going to go back to Luke Radowski and Stuart Howard in just a moment, but I was talking to Luke for the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers and InfoWars.com internet stream listeners behind the scenes and he was I'm talking about how they've got polls out where there are more 9-11 truthers than there are Republicans or Democrats.

01:31:25.000 And that's true.

01:31:27.000 We are the majority, ladies and gentlemen, and we're growing! 0.99

01:31:30.000 And the establishment's scared, and you little murdering bastards out there are going to be brought to justice, and those of you that have defended this. 0.99

01:31:38.000 You say we make this up. 0.98

01:31:39.000 There's hundreds of declassified examples of where the crooks in government have staged events.

01:31:43.000 Everybody's learning about that. 0.96

01:31:44.000 Everybody's learning you're liars. 0.93

01:31:45.000 Everybody's learning who you are.

01:31:48.000 And I think when we take the country back, you're going to be brought to justice, some of you too.

01:31:52.000 So just be, you know, brought up to speed on that.

01:31:55.000 You're going to be known.

01:31:56.000 You're going to have to leave the country and run to Costa Rica or Argentina because you're guilty of treason.

01:32:03.000 And uh... we're coming for you. 0.99

01:32:04.000 I mean we know you're murdering killers. 1.00

01:32:06.000 We know your supporters and black ops are killers. 1.00

01:32:09.000 And uh... we know you think you can ship your drugs in and run everything and you claim you're patriotic.

01:32:14.000 We've just had it with you.

01:32:15.000 And we're not backing off and we're not going away and I'm sure you're going to crush a few of us but that blood makes the liberty tree grow.

01:32:22.000 And it's just the more you attack the stronger we get. 1.00

01:32:25.000 So just go ahead, nuke Chicago, do whatever it is you're going to do you bastards. 0.99

01:32:30.000 The people are learning you're the terrorist, and you're forcing confrontations that are going to give you your Waterloo, that are going to give you your Barbarossa, that are going to give you your Lexington, your Concord, that are going to give you what's going to bring your system down, what's going to give you your Trenton. 0.99

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01:35:49.000 This isn't an exercise.

01:35:50.000 This isn't a drill.

01:35:51.000 This isn't a game.

01:35:52.000 This isn't a joke.

01:35:53.000 This is for all the marbles.

01:35:56.000 The tyranny is coming down.

01:35:57.000 They're using terror to bully us.

01:35:59.000 They're saying we may have an attack and then you'll love us again.

01:36:02.000 Then you'll learn to let us take your rights. 0.99

01:36:04.000 Then you'll learn to not question us.

01:36:05.000 Boy, an attack would sure help us. 1.00

01:36:07.000 These bastards think you're so stupid they talk right at you. 1.00

01:36:11.000 They're also threatening more than half the population that knows they did it, saying, you watch it. 1.00

01:36:16.000 We'll do it again. 0.80

01:36:17.000 We'll torture you. 1.00

01:36:19.000 They're a bunch of bully scum. 1.00

01:36:22.000 And Luke, I'm telling you, you need to file a complaint with YouTube because he posted on your page saying you need to be killed. 1.00

01:36:28.000 He's on his own page saying that our children need to be killed. 0.99

01:36:31.000 And, man, I just can't handle it anymore. 0.98

01:36:38.000 Thank you. 1.00

01:36:39.000 This America-hating trash just makes me sick. 0.99

01:36:43.000 Luke, he's talking about Dan Wallace. 1.00

01:36:46.000 He says, Laugh out loud, Dan Wallace.

01:36:50.000 I told him I would never stop talking about five years ago.

01:36:54.000 He's in the Trish Rising film.

01:36:57.000 He's on We Are Change website watching the They Made a Mirror of our trailer.

01:37:03.000 And he's saying, well Dan, you're not talking now, are you?

01:37:07.000 So you were wrong.

01:37:08.000 Laugh out loud.

01:37:09.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

01:37:11.000 He actually pawned himself here by saying he wouldn't stop doing something when he clearly has.

01:37:18.000 Still, I guess having already been eaten by maggots, going back on a statement he made, and once again showing how troopers are always wrong and never stick to one thing is the least of the worries.

01:37:29.000 Laugh out loud.

01:37:30.000 He he he. 0.95

01:37:31.000 Then he goes into saying how he wants to pay $100,000 to have bullets put in our heads.

01:37:36.000 This doesn't scare us or anything. 0.74

01:37:39.000 It makes us want to fight you harder.

01:37:41.000 It makes us commit harder.

01:37:42.000 It makes the listeners tell more people about InfoWars.com or WeAreChange.

01:37:46.000 Luke, comments on that before I go to Stuart?

01:37:49.000 It just shows you how low these people will go to attack you.

01:37:52.000 And it doesn't just go onto YouTube.

01:37:54.000 There's actual people who go out to our street action and antagonize us.

01:37:59.000 You know, using our best friend Manuel who passed away as a way to attack us.

01:38:04.000 It's like psychological warfare to hurt us and to bring us down.

01:38:07.000 But I just wanted to say the more they attack us, the more that they try to hurt us, the more that they threaten us, the more we are resilient, the more we will stand up, the more we will believe in truth and love because this is what makes it real.

01:38:19.000 When we go through all this, this makes it so... Yeah, when you have the cops come up and say, your camera's a gun, we're gonna say you have bombs, we know you don't, we're gonna frame you, you really know the government's the terrorist then.

01:38:31.000 I mean, you really learn it, folks.

01:38:33.000 I mean, you can talk the talk, folks, but you gotta walk the walk.

01:38:37.000 This makes it true.

01:38:38.000 This makes it real.

01:38:39.000 And people have to understand it's not a game.

01:38:41.000 It's life or death.

01:38:42.000 But we're willing to stand up.

01:38:43.000 We're willing to put ourselves on the line.

01:38:45.000 We know Luke the Bible talks about being persecuted is actually a blessing.

01:38:48.000 I never understood that when I was a child.

01:38:50.000 It's really true.

01:38:51.000 You feel sorry for them.

01:38:52.000 But it also empowers you to help other people that aren't informed and to stand up.

01:38:57.000 It is a blessing when you're being persecuted.

01:39:01.000 And makes it all, you know, what we have to go through, it makes it so real.

01:39:05.000 You just understand that you have to fight even more, and that's what we're going to do.

01:39:09.000 And people don't, they don't understand, the more they attack us, it backfires on them, because now we're going to release more videos, because now we're going to go corrupt more people.

01:39:16.000 Now we're going to work harder, not 1108 this year.

01:39:18.000 We're going to do everything in our power.

01:39:21.000 To do what's right because we have basically a lot of everything against us but nothing is going to stop us because we really have truth and love on our side and there's nothing else we really need but that and that's what we're going to use as a way to change this country to change this world.

01:39:37.000 Absolutely.

01:39:38.000 Let's bring Stuart Howe up.

01:39:40.000 Stuart, sorry we got you up late on the show.

01:39:43.000 We are Change Los Angeles, a big part of making Truth Rising such a success.

01:39:48.000 Again, the film is meant to spread activism, activist journalism, whether it's on the North American Union, or trans-Texas corridors, or gun control, or borders, or whatever you're into.

01:39:59.000 This is a film that is made to be viral, made to energize young people, And Stewart, as soon, the DVDs are actually being tracked to be delivered tomorrow, but they don't ship out until the Saturday after July 4th.

01:40:15.000 Everybody needs to get their order in now, but I'll get you a copy, everybody.

01:40:19.000 In fact, anybody who's with We Are Change, anybody who's contributed, we'll forget.

01:40:23.000 We're a small operation.

01:40:24.000 Let us know.

01:40:25.000 Email Aaron at InfoWars.

01:40:27.000 We'll make sure you get a copy out.

01:40:28.000 But I just want to thank you, Stewart, for all you've done.

01:40:31.000 My pleasure, Alex.

01:40:32.000 It's an honor and a joy, you know, to be out there with you guys.

01:40:37.000 You know, to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you and Luke.

01:40:40.000 I've got to tell you, you said something earlier that struck a chord, but this is not a joke, and that was brought home very, very strongly at Bilderberg.

01:40:49.000 Talk about that sound, Stuart.

01:40:52.000 Well, you know, just to see the presence of these scoundrels and how they went about their deceptive acts.

01:41:01.000 You know, Jim Cocker makes a good point that good works are done in the light of day, and evil is done under a cloak of darkness.

01:41:08.000 And to see the length that these people went to to maintain secrecy was astounding.

01:41:14.000 And to be confronted by armed men with shoot-to-kill orders as we were out there at night especially, it was really empowering to stand with everybody out there, all the good souls that were out there, and it was amazing.

01:41:29.000 You know, I bring that power back and let that, you know, empower our whole group out here and moving forward because we've got a lot of work ahead of us and it's an amazing thing to be part of.

01:41:41.000 Well it certainly is my friend.

01:41:44.000 You haven't had a chance to see Truth Rising but a lot of the work you guys did is in there.

01:41:48.000 Also your interview with Martin Sheen that Stewart conducted is in there.

01:41:52.000 I mean a lot of this stuff you've seen on YouTube here and there.

01:41:55.000 You may have forgotten about more than you remember.

01:41:59.000 You'll now see it in its original video quality.

01:42:02.000 A lot of things that haven't been seen are in the film.

01:42:04.000 It also chronicles the first responders, the government documents, how they knew the dust was killing them, and then how they blocked funding.

01:42:11.000 And I saw an article last week with the federal government and the city government saying, oh, you're just hypochondriacs.

01:42:16.000 You're fine.

01:42:17.000 When Mount Sinai and when the universities have done the chest scans, they're dying in mass.

01:42:25.000 All the dogs died years ago. 0.99

01:42:28.000 And they just say, hey, shut up, shut up, you're not sick as your teeth fall out and you go in a coffin. 0.96

01:42:33.000 I mean, there's fire chiefs that are dying who've had heart attacks who are, you know, 50 years old. 1.00

01:42:38.000 There's police dying, and they just say, shut up and die! 1.00

01:42:41.000 Shut up! 1.00

01:42:42.000 I mean, that's what they think of you police and military and emergency workers. 0.99

01:42:47.000 Can you speak to that, Luke?

01:42:49.000 I mean, that's what they're doing, and it's sick and disgusting seeing New York's bravest, the fire department, the police department, even construction and sanitation workers being spit on and disrespected by the government.

01:43:01.000 I mean, it is just incredibly disgusting knowing that heroes, literally heroes, went to rescue people.

01:43:07.000 We're lied to and are being denied the help that they deserve.

01:43:10.000 And we're here in New York City, we're raising money for these people because these people need all the help they can get.

01:43:14.000 They were lied to by the government.

01:43:16.000 They're being denied help by the government right now.

01:43:18.000 And it's our job as the people to help each other out.

01:43:20.000 And that's what we're doing at We Are Change.

01:43:22.000 We just released the first sponsor video a couple days ago.

01:43:24.000 People could see it on our YouTube channel.

01:43:26.000 YouTube.com slash WeAreChange.

01:43:29.000 See the interview we did with a union organizer who basically lost all his teeth because of medication, because of everything he went through, because of Ground Zero.

01:43:38.000 Well, there's 56,000 of them.

01:43:40.000 Thousands have now died.

01:43:42.000 Thousands certified by hospitals, by universities, by CAT scans. 0.99

01:43:48.000 And the government just says, shut up and die, basically. 1.00

01:43:52.000 Shut up! 1.00

01:43:53.000 Just shut up and let us use your name to launch war. 1.00

01:43:56.000 That's what makes me so sick. 0.99

01:43:57.000 Dan Wallace lost his dad, a firefighter, one of the towers.

01:44:01.000 And these feds show up and make fun of him and his dead dad. 0.65

01:44:04.000 And, you know, the thing is, they're egomaniacs.

01:44:07.000 They think it hurts us to be dissed.

01:44:10.000 No, no, it only emboldens us, and I don't even hate these people anymore. 1.00

01:44:14.000 I actually see them for the pathetic, sad, heartless, little crone-like demons. 0.99

01:44:19.000 I mean, you look at it, now it's upsetting for humanity. 0.98

01:44:25.000 And it's upsetting for our own people when they get confused by it, but I mean, overall, it's just we're two different creatures.

01:44:33.000 I mean, there is a mindset, there's a level.

01:44:36.000 And I just am so sad that most of the public is locked off in this materialistic, low-level, petty, demon level.

01:44:42.000 I mean, do you see what I'm saying, Stuart?

01:44:45.000 I do, I do, and I think, conversely, that's how we're going to win, Alex, because they're overplaying their hand so dramatically.

01:44:53.000 and they're showing themselves to be completely about deception and it's these overt acts of lying and of disrespecting the people that are there to look out for us, the police and the military, that's going to help create their downfall.

01:45:06.000 Well, here's an example.

01:45:07.000 The screw loose change people, all deception, all lies, all twisting, they, and I can't I told Burmas a month ago when I first saw this, he goes, look, one of the main guys on the Screw Loose Chain site, he is saying that he's in the army, he's showing his documents, he's been shipped.

01:45:29.000 Uh, and uh, and I said, Burmus, that's gonna be a hoax, that's gonna be a fake. 0.95

01:45:33.000 Then a few days later he said, no it's not, I promise.

01:45:35.000 You know, these guys mean well, they're not agents, he just, you know, he uh, he doesn't think 9-1-1's an inside job, but, and I said, Burmus, it's gonna be fake. 0.99

01:45:43.000 But I said, okay, watch, I'll go on air, and we'll report on it, and then later they're gonna say they hoaxed us, showing what idiots we are. 0.99

01:45:51.000 And he said, no it's not. 0.99

01:45:52.000 But finally Burmese now finally respects me.

01:45:54.000 I've been right about ten things, he's been wrong about every one of them.

01:45:57.000 And then later they call in and laugh at me and say, you got hoaxed.

01:46:00.000 And I just went on air and said, my cousin got a chip, the military's getting chips, it's in these news articles, and these guys at Screw Loose Change, he says he got one, he showed documents.

01:46:10.000 Now they come out and say we're liars, the military's not getting chips, they hoaxed us. 0.91

01:46:15.000 That only shows they're premeditated deceivers, forgers, and liars. 0.90

01:46:20.000 It doesn't discredit us. 0.95

01:46:21.000 Luke Stewart?

01:46:23.000 It proves us right. 0.99

01:46:24.000 And these little disrespectful pieces of trash, you know, that's what they are. 0.99

01:46:27.000 And I pity them. 0.99

01:46:28.000 I feel sorry for all of them.

01:46:30.000 Because, you know, they're empty inside.

01:46:32.000 They're nothing.

01:46:33.000 They're worthless.

01:46:34.000 You know, and if you want to feel like you're doing something right, You know, you're going to have to make a point.

01:46:38.000 You're going to have to make a stand behind truth or lies.

01:46:41.000 And it's going to come a point in time where there's so many not-alone-truthers out there that there's going to be a lot of people who are going to have to make a standpoint where they stand.

01:46:49.000 Do you stand with the truth?

01:46:49.000 Do you stand with the lies?

01:46:51.000 Where do you stand?

01:46:52.000 It's real simple.

01:46:53.000 A criminal element stages the attacks and we don't expose them, they're going to stage more.

01:46:58.000 I don't like having to risk my life and stand up here and do this.

01:47:01.000 Luke doesn't like it, but we're committed and it's a good feeling once you're committed on the side of righteousness.

01:47:06.000 Stuart Howe, any websites you want to plug?

01:47:09.000 Yeah, we've got a new website.

01:47:10.000 It's WACLA.org.

01:47:13.000 WACLA.org.

01:47:15.000 We have a donate button.

01:47:16.000 We're running on a shoestring.

01:47:17.000 We're, you know, doing everything we can to stay in the fight.

01:47:20.000 So if anybody can help us, that'd be great.

01:47:21.000 We've got a big action coming up on the 4th of July in Santa Monica.

01:47:25.000 Top of the Santa Monica Pier and 3rd Street Promenade.

01:47:28.000 And we're doing everything we can to back you up, Alex and Luke.

01:47:31.000 Well, you guys are great.

01:47:32.000 I'm asking every We Are Change, every 9-11 Truth Group, everybody.

01:47:36.000 I purposely didn't make this film about me.

01:47:38.000 I tried to not even be in it, but I got arrested, so that's in there.

01:47:41.000 I mean, I really would like nothing more than to energize new leaders and kind of go back into the shadows because I want to see others be leaders.

01:47:49.000 It doesn't need to be about Alex Jones.

01:47:51.000 That's what this film is all about.

01:47:54.000 And I just want to bring out the fact they staged the attacks, and I'm asking everybody to get this film out to everyone.

01:48:00.000 I am giving it to the world.

01:48:02.000 Luke Radowsky, Stuart Howe, both from We Are Change.

01:48:05.000 God bless you, man.

01:48:06.000 I bless you, brother.

01:48:08.000 Take care.

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01:51:16.000 Yeah, the SimCom junkies, foreign tribes, Israelis, they're all over our message boards just saying, we're gonna kill you. 1.00

01:51:23.000 And you can go back to their websites, see them in uniform. 0.97

01:51:27.000 They're showing their teeth because they know they're going down.

01:51:29.000 It's going to come out their boss has carried out the attacks.

01:51:31.000 It's going to come out they've been working for the wrong team.

01:51:35.000 And some of you out there, we know we're involved.

01:51:39.000 You're going to have to get a jury of your peers.

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01:51:47.000 Justice has to be done. 1.00

01:51:49.000 You're going to have to die. 0.99

01:51:51.000 So... 1.00

01:51:55.000 We know we're going to win.

01:51:57.000 We know we're committed.

01:51:58.000 And we know that when justice is finally done, a lot of us won't even be here anymore, but you're going to hang high.

01:52:07.000 You're going to hang high for what you did, committing those murders.

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01:52:30.000 But I said due process, full due process, full judicial review, the whole nine yards, you will get your constitutional rights that you've tried to keep from us, you've tried to take it from us.

01:52:44.000 You are murderers, and you will be brought to justice. 1.00

01:52:47.000 Is there no end to you bastards? 1.00

01:52:50.000 We've interviewed special forces colonels. 0.99

01:52:52.000 It's been in some U.S.

01:52:53.000 newspapers that they flew out 6,000 Taliban Al-Qaeda commanders to safety.

01:52:58.000 Those forces are now being used to attack Iran.

01:53:00.000 Here's ABC News today.

01:53:03.000 Years after we told you about this, is White House blocking search for bin Laden?

01:53:09.000 Question mark.

01:53:11.000 Pentagon would use special forces to nab bin Laden in Pakistan, New York Times says. 0.96

01:53:16.000 This is just ridiculous.

01:53:17.000 Now I've been told by inside sources in the CFR and CIA that he's been dead since... 0.91

01:53:24.000 Early 2002 and then he's on ice and they may pop him out at any time.

01:53:29.000 We were told that five years ago, of course.

01:53:31.000 The Pentagon has drafted a secret plan that would send U.S.

01:53:33.000 Special Forces into wild tribal regions of Pakistan to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden.

01:53:38.000 Folks, it came out before 9-11 in British newspapers that there were British and U.S.

01:53:45.000 troops guarding Bin Laden in this very region of Pakistan.

01:53:50.000 So, it's just, it's just incredible.

01:53:55.000 But the public thinks Afghanistan is the Middle East.

01:53:58.000 So, just like they think the dollar is still strong.

01:54:04.000 And a lot of these people that death threat us and stuff, they really think they're defending the United States.

01:54:08.000 They don't understand.

01:54:09.000 I mean, here's Ron Paul, I've also got OPEC saying it and a bunch of others, saying tripling of fuel prices.

01:54:18.000 Paul, Iran war will triple energy prices.

01:54:21.000 Republican Congressman Ron Paul warns against military engagement in Iran, saying bombing will cause energy prices to skyrocket.

01:54:28.000 In a speech on the House floor, I meant to play that last night, didn't have time, Congressman Paul suggested that the U.S.

01:54:33.000 is inching towards an endless struggle similar to the Iraq war.

01:54:37.000 In the last several weeks, in front of And if not for months, we've heard a lot of talk about potential for Israel and the United States to bomb Iran.

01:54:46.000 Energy prices are being bid up because of this fear.

01:54:49.000 It has been predicted that if bombs start dropping, that will see energy prices double or triple, said the Republican.

01:54:56.000 Yeah, and 70 plus percent is the dollar, and that other 25 percent or so is the war hysteria.

01:55:09.000 Just amazing.

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Alex Jones Show - June 30, 2008

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