Alex Jones Show - 20080702_Wed_Alex

00:00:00.000 It is already the second day of July.

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00:00:35.000 I was coming back from Bilderberg Group.

00:00:38.000 About a month ago, there in Virginia, and I was in the airport, and there were all these mindless neocon books and mainline stuff, and nothing interesting, and I saw Dark Mission, The Secret History of NASA.

00:00:50.000 And I have a friend who was an engineer at NASA, and actually on the flight line, you know, there in Mission Control for some of the Apollo missions, and he said, running some of the RCA cameras, he said, you ought to read Dark Mission.

00:01:01.000 I'll just leave it at that.

00:01:04.000 A few years ago, and I picked it up and I read it, and so much, everything that I had done my own separate research, or run into, or seen historically in mainline history, you know, the occult, you name it, everything Richard Hoagland was saying was accurate.

00:01:21.000 And then, there are a lot of areas in there that's his original research, and so, if everything you know checks out, then it really freaks you out, you say, this sounds credible.

00:01:33.000 And really a frightening book, because having a shadow government, having an elite where they have suppressed advanced technologies, we know they have that, they've been caught many times, who knows what's really going on?

00:01:45.000 You know, that's the bigger issue is, we can't trust them.

00:01:48.000 And they've been caught lying so much.

00:01:50.000 And this book gets into Alistair Crowley and all these people being involved in the founding of NASA, which is really mainline history the average person doesn't know, and JPL, and The rest of it, that I couldn't put the book down, Dark Mission, New York Times Best Seller.

00:02:04.000 I guess other people couldn't put it down either.

00:02:06.000 And he's got a new edition of it out, and I'm telling you, this is just an amazing book.

00:02:10.000 By the way, I'm not selling the book.

00:02:12.000 We have a bookstore online, but I'm not selling the book.

00:02:15.000 I'm saying you really should get the book.

00:02:17.000 And, you know, whether it's all true or whether all of his ideas are right, I don't know.

00:02:22.000 But, you know, he's got quite a pedigree and he's a really nice fellow, too.

00:02:26.000 Richard C. Hoagland was science advisor to Walter Cronkite in CBS News during the Apollo program, former curator of the Hayden Planetarium and consultant to NASA.

00:02:34.000 He is the co-originator, along with Eric Burgress of the British Interplanetary Society, of the Pioneer plaque, you know that gold plaque they sent out, currently carrying a message for mankind on the Pioneer 10 spacecraft.

00:02:48.000 And it goes on and on and on, all the things he's done in the Enterprise Institute, he heads up, and of course he's one of the most popular long-term guests on Coast to Coast AM.

00:02:58.000 So we go to Richard C. Hoagland right now.

00:03:02.000 Richard Hoagland, it is just wonderful to have you on the show with us, sir.

00:03:06.000 Alex, thank you so much for inviting me and I must say I'm really happy to be here.

00:03:12.000 Well, I'm happy to have you.

00:03:13.000 Sir, you're the expert on all this.

00:03:14.000 First, tell us a little bit about Richard Huggle, and believe it or not, some of my audience may not know who you are.

00:03:19.000 Your saga, your awakening, and then I want to get into the crazy, admitted, this is something you can prove, history of NASA, skip forward to the kidnappings and what would be murders and crazy women running around and the wheels coming off NASA, as you put it.

00:03:35.000 And then we'll go back into the secret government and the masonic flags and all the really crazy stuff. 0.99

00:03:42.000 Well, you know, you and I, and a lot of other people, have had an evolution, kind of a maturing, you know, we both grew up, I'm absolutely convinced, even though I don't know your story chapter by chapter, but I'm convinced you grew up like me, believing in, you know, truth, justice, the American way.

00:04:00.000 And that we lived in the best country in the world, and it was founded by people that had fascinating ideas, and it was the freest, and it allowed people the widest diversity, And it's only as you grow older and you start asking difficult questions, and you pull up the corners of the rug and you kind of look under, that you realize that that is a very carefully kept facade.

00:04:26.000 That in fact, society we live in now bears no resemblance to what we were taught in school. 0.90

00:04:33.000 And about all the silly and stupid things, yes, we're free. 0.98

00:04:37.000 About all the important things, Alex, we're not free. 0.99

00:04:41.000 And the thing that will make you free is to not believe what you're told.

00:04:46.000 It's as simple as that.

00:04:47.000 So when I started out, Squeaky Clean Mainstream, you know, Cronkite, NASA, museums, science, and all that, and I came through a series of deep, penetrating questions to the belief that not only have we been lied to by NASA about almost everything that they've told us that's out there, but we've been told lies about everything that means everything to anybody.

00:05:09.000 And there's almost no limit.

00:05:11.000 I mean, the kind of watchword, the mantra of Dark Mission is, the lie is different at every level.

00:05:18.000 And I was given that by an intel officer, who has been one of my dark, deep sources for years and years, who has never steered me wrong.

00:05:27.000 So you're saying, wheels within wheels, lies within lies, piled on the next one.

00:05:31.000 To maintain the illusion.

00:05:34.000 And of course, this audience is well familiar with your work.

00:05:38.000 So we can skip all the stuff that I normally have to do to bring people up the curve, and today it might be useful to explore why.

00:05:46.000 What the hell's the endgame?

00:05:48.000 What's the point?

00:05:49.000 Why lead people down the primrose path?

00:05:52.000 Where did we go off the path?

00:05:55.000 And how can we get back on the path?

00:05:56.000 Because I firmly believe that we are not powerless, that we actually can change this curve, that we are masters of our own fate, captains of our destiny, But we have to wake up a lot more people.

00:06:09.000 It really only takes about 2%, Alex, to change history.

00:06:12.000 Well, you're right, Richard Hoagland.

00:06:13.000 Can we go back, though, to your first awakenings?

00:06:16.000 I mean, when did you start at NASA and at CBS and a big curator and, you know, designing what's sent off in spacecraft?

00:06:23.000 You know, a big conceptual guy.

00:06:25.000 When did you start going, something's wrong here?

00:06:27.000 Okay, oh gosh, and how many hours have we got?

00:06:32.000 I started out, you know, school and the museum and I was, you know, kind of a prodigy and I was the youngest curator in the United States for a while.

00:06:41.000 Of course, I grew out of that one.

00:06:43.000 And I, you know, when you're 18 and in a museum and the mayor is calling you in for advice on how to increase, you know, revenues in the city through cultural diversity and all that, it gives you a kind of heavy feeling you can do anything.

00:06:57.000 So I would pick up the phone, and I would call anybody in the country.

00:07:00.000 I'd call people at NASA.

00:07:01.000 I'd call people in the government.

00:07:03.000 I'd call people in the military, at the Pentagon.

00:07:06.000 And they would answer, and they would give me answers, and they would return calls and all that.

00:07:10.000 And I finally went to a couple of museums, and I was assistant curator in Hartford, West Harbor, Connecticut.

00:07:17.000 And one day, I got a call, and the voice at the other end of the line said, My name is Frank Benitez.

00:07:24.000 I'm associate producer of CBS News special events.

00:07:28.000 We'd like you to help us go to the moon.

00:07:30.000 And like that great line in Bill Cosby's routine, I said, come on, who is this?

00:07:35.000 Really?

00:07:37.000 And it turned out to be Frank Menezes from CBS News.

00:07:40.000 And so I went and had the most extraordinary education at CBS News from 1968, just before the first Apollo 8 mission around the moon, to the early 1970s.

00:07:54.000 71, I believe.

00:07:57.000 Um, and I'm sure I learned far more than I imparted, because I saw how big media works.

00:08:05.000 I saw how the Tiffany Network, you know, the legendary, you know, legacy of Murrow, actually worked in its heyday.

00:08:16.000 When Walter came back from Vietnam, looked into the camera and said, it's lost.

00:08:21.000 And, you know, Nixon and Agnew said to each other, well, we lost him.

00:08:26.000 You know, the war has to end.

00:08:27.000 If we lost Walter, we lost the country.

00:08:30.000 I was so privileged to work with a man of integrity, a guy who actually believed the things that he was writing about and reporting on.

00:08:39.000 Remember when Walter was the one dissident voice during the first Gulf War?

00:08:46.000 How he was, he was a voice of reason saying all we're seeing is basically a scripted television plot.

00:08:54.000 We're not allowed, you know, remember the, that was before they came up with the idea of embedding reporters so that they basically could watch them 24-7.

00:09:03.000 Um, and there were a couple of guys that struck out across the desert and tried to find independent information and got caught by Saddam and all that.

00:09:09.000 Well, Walter was one of the only voices that basically raised questions about this rah-rah, we're gonna go beat this bad guy, you know, the new Neo-Hitler. 0.92

00:09:19.000 Um, anyway, so back when I was working for him, I learned about sourcing.

00:09:24.000 And, you know, I learned the journalism side.

00:09:27.000 I knew the science side, but I really learned journalism.

00:09:31.000 At the feet of a guy who really was a master.

00:09:36.000 And I started looking around and I remember one vivid day.

00:09:39.000 You want to know the moment, Alex, when I began to realize that the facade was not what it was supposed to be?

00:09:46.000 Yeah, tell me that light bulb moment.

00:09:49.000 It was very early on.

00:09:50.000 It was critical, and if I hadn't been asked by the Cronkite people to be there and help them create this extravaganza to show people what it was like to go to the moon, I wouldn't have had a helicopter lightbulb moment or it would have come a lot later.

00:10:06.000 It was on a Sunday afternoon.

00:10:09.000 There were a bunch of us sitting around in Bob Westler's office.

00:10:12.000 Bob Westler was the executive producer of CBS Special Events.

00:10:15.000 He went on to become president of CBS News.

00:10:19.000 For a while.

00:10:20.000 Then he went and helped Ted Turner set up his network.

00:10:23.000 Um, which was called CNN.

00:10:26.000 Anyway, Walter was a child prodigy.

00:10:29.000 He was a brilliant guy, very egocentric, very... I mean, in order to be in that position, you gotta be, right?

00:10:35.000 Um, and we were sitting around in his office, you know, he had the cabinet open, and there was some, you know, liquor flowing around, and we were just kind of watching the news conference that was supposed to be coming in from Houston.

00:10:48.000 Uh, by satellite.

00:10:50.000 Uh, from the astronauts.

00:10:51.000 I forget which crew was coming back, um, from the moon.

00:10:56.000 I think it was Apollo 8.

00:10:57.000 It had to be Apollo 8.

00:10:58.000 So it was December of 1968.

00:11:01.000 And we're sitting around and there's, you know, a couple of producers and a researcher and me and Lester and, you know, some people coupling papers and bringing in stuff from the rest of the office.

00:11:12.000 And we're just kind of, you know, we're kind of laid back because our correspondent there in Houston was going to ask the questions during the uplink.

00:11:18.000 This is the first time they were going to actually allow correspondents to talk to astronauts directly.

00:11:25.000 Okay, I want to hear about this on the other side of the break with Richard C. Hoagland.

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00:16:27.000 And a book that gets even more in-depth into NASA and how this whole empire hooks together is Dark Mission, The Secret History of NASA.

00:16:35.000 Richard C. Hoagland, who was a consultant to NASA, curator of a major museum, designed some of the things that were sent out on deep space aircraft.

00:16:44.000 You came up with the conceptual ideas for it, and of course working with Walter Cronkite there at CBS News is our guest.

00:16:51.000 We've gotten to the point where you're sitting in there, the first time your correspondent is going to be allowed, or correspondent period, to talk to the astronauts when they're on the moon.

00:17:02.000 Go ahead.

00:17:03.000 Yeah, I think you meant deep space spacecraft, not aircraft, right?

00:17:07.000 Yes.

00:17:08.000 No, deep space aircraft.

00:17:09.000 Deep space hot air balloons.

00:17:12.000 Anyway, so we're sitting around in the executive producer's suite, because he had a big office in the suite, and we're just kicking back.

00:17:19.000 It's on a Sunday afternoon, and we're watching our guy.

00:17:22.000 Remember, NASA used to jealously guard any access to the astronauts.

00:17:27.000 During the Mercury program, they have what they call a capsule communicator, the Capcom, who is usually another astronaut.

00:17:33.000 And even the flight directors or the head of NASA normally would go through the Capcom to talk to the crews in orbit, as opposed to picking up the phone or picking up the mic and talking to the director.

00:17:45.000 So this was a real break with this tradition.

00:17:47.000 It was the first time That ordinary reporters were going to be allowed to ask questions directly of a NASA crew in space during a live mission.

00:17:58.000 So it was a big deal for the network, and it was a big deal for our unit and all that.

00:18:02.000 So we're sitting there watching to see how it was going to play out.

00:18:05.000 And NASA comes on and says, you know, I think it was Paul Haney in those days, well, we're having a small delay, you know, the press conference will be in 15 minutes or something like that.

00:18:17.000 So we had another round, right?

00:18:19.000 And then it comes on again.

00:18:21.000 Well, the press conferences, you know, we're having a small technical problem.

00:18:26.000 The spacecraft has not yet risen over the horizon at Goldstone.

00:18:33.000 Goldstone was on the big tracking station.

00:18:35.000 So we have to wait for acquisition of signal.

00:18:38.000 Something about that kind of bothered me.

00:18:42.000 So I literally, Alex, I literally took a... I was sitting in a chair by Wester's desk, so I took the back of an envelope on his desk and I started to do some scribbling, some calculation.

00:18:53.000 And I looked at my numbers and I thought, this is nuts.

00:18:57.000 And I shoved the paper over to Wester and I said, Bob, I said, NASA's lying. 0.99

00:19:03.000 If that's true, if what they're saying is true, those damn mountains have to be five miles high. 0.98

00:19:10.000 And they're not. 0.99

00:19:12.000 And that was the first time two things hit. 0.97

00:19:15.000 One was that this agency that I believe was the agency, was for some stupid reason not telling us the truth, couldn't figure out what the agenda was. 0.92

00:19:25.000 And then the reaction from my own, you know, guy, who had hired me, was, oh come on, you gotta be wrong. 0.91

00:19:31.000 NASA would not lie.

00:19:33.000 And this had persisted down to the present.

00:19:36.000 The mainstream media Even when this agency has killed people.

00:19:42.000 I'm talking Challenger, I'm talking Columbia, I'm talking bizarreness like the Lisa Nowak case, which makes no sense at all, unless you start asking deeper questions.

00:19:54.000 NASA is a we-can-do-no-wrong agency even when they're blatantly, flagrantly doing wrong.

00:20:00.000 And that to me has been a mystery that still fascinates me because it's like with so much demonstrable, not only just error, but deliberate malfeasance, deliberate, you know, skullduggery, deliberate lying.

00:20:16.000 Why does this agency maintain this pristine example of the, you know, as Reagan used to say, the shining city on the hill?

00:20:24.000 And that's another question that I don't have a good answer for, but I want a lot of people to think about it, because unless we crack the facade, I mean, there are other institutions in this society where no matter what you lay out, people will not believe that your data is right, and the institutional facade or persona or manufactured image is wrong?

00:20:45.000 Well, here's an example.

00:20:46.000 That happened first... I mean, a good example is, at first they would bust high-level Catholic priests, cardinals, fathers, monsignors, raping children, and for decades the police wouldn't even investigate or prosecute because you don't go after a cardinal, you don't go after a bishop, you don't go after a bigwig, I mean, that's impossible.

00:21:10.000 It can't be true.

00:21:10.000 And now we know about a third of them, it turned out, were involved or involved in the cover-up.

00:21:16.000 I mean, is that a good analogy?

00:21:18.000 It's an excellent analogy.

00:21:19.000 In fact, I was kind of in the back of my mind.

00:21:21.000 That being a Reformed Catholic, that was kind of what was on my mind.

00:21:25.000 Wow.

00:21:25.000 Okay, we'll stay there.

00:21:26.000 We're going to talk behind the scenes about some of the things you want to bring up.

00:21:30.000 When we get back, the basic history of NASA, all verifiable, but still just amazing.

00:21:34.000 Then we'll get into mind control.

00:21:36.000 Are they covering up artifacts on the Moon and Mars?

00:21:40.000 A lot more.

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00:21:46.000 Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:21:52.000 Hello, I'm Dr. Leonard Horowitz.

00:21:53.000 I'm going to go ahead and talk to him behind the scenes.

00:21:57.000 Mr. Hoagland?

00:21:58.000 Yes, sir.

00:21:59.000 I think the interview is going great.

00:22:00.000 For folks that are watching out there, I want to keep the discussion congruent so we'll come back to the history of NASA when we return.

00:22:06.000 But in the two and a half minutes, we've got to tell stories.

00:22:11.000 So you start questioning NASA at that point, you start saying, we're being lied to, there's no way the radio signals couldn't get over mountains unless they were five miles tall.

00:22:20.000 Well, remember, you're on a rotating planet, so things rise and set.

00:22:24.000 So they were waiting for the spacecraft literally to rise over the horizon at Goldstone, which is located west of Los Angeles, out in the desert there, at a place called Barstow, California.

00:22:34.000 And my calculation proved, unequivocally, that the spacecraft had already risen.

00:22:40.000 You know, because we had charts and maps.

00:22:41.000 I mean, maps used to give us incredible information.

00:22:44.000 No, I understand.

00:22:44.000 So then you start questioning, what was the next lie you caught him in?

00:22:49.000 Oh, God.

00:22:50.000 I mean, now you're looking for lies.

00:22:52.000 What was the next big one you remembered?

00:22:54.000 No, this was one of those, it's kind of like, if you have an impenetrable shield and something cracks the shield, from then on you start asking, why are they saying this?

00:23:06.000 It only takes one Event.

00:23:09.000 You know, swan swallow to make a summary, as the cliche goes.

00:23:12.000 And it was at that point that I realized that NASA would lie. 0.75

00:23:17.000 And it turned out later that the reason for the lie, this is what's the kicker, was so incredibly stupid and trivial, it turned out that Jules Bergman, who was one of the correspondents, the lead correspondent, we had Cronkite, we had Hartley and Brinkley over at CBS, Uh, and then we had, uh, what's his name, uh, Jules Bergman at ABC. 0.69

00:23:43.000 There were only three networks in those days. 0.92

00:23:46.000 Bergman wanted to be an astronaut.

00:23:47.000 He did all the stuff.

00:23:48.000 He went through the, you know, the chill tanks and the whirly gigs and all the training that the astronauts had gone through to prove that, you know, it was basically the right stuff.

00:23:58.000 You know, his testosterone level was pretty high.

00:24:00.000 Actually, I knew him.

00:24:01.000 He was a pretty great guy.

00:24:03.000 He actually asked me for some information when I was pool correspondent.

00:24:07.000 Sure, but what was the reason?

00:24:09.000 Well, the reason was Jules Bergman.

00:24:12.000 He had drunk too much the night before.

00:24:15.000 And he was hungover in his motel room.

00:24:18.000 And he got to the Space Center late.

00:24:21.000 And all of NASA was holding this press conference to cover for Bergman being Basically hungover.

00:24:29.000 And that's how a lying culture starts, though, is you lie for little reasons.

00:24:33.000 Instead of saying, we're late with the press conference, they tell a lie, and then you start investigating and find bigger ones.

00:24:39.000 Well, the thing was here, they were lying to protect one of their own, which was a double communication.

00:24:46.000 Sure, here we go.

00:24:47.000 We're going back live on the main show right now with Richard C. Hoagland.

00:24:50.000 Here we go, Richard.

00:24:51.000 Here we go, Richard.

00:25:01.000 He stood six foot six and weighed 245.

00:25:03.000 Kind of broad at the shoulder and narrow at the hip.

00:25:07.000 The book is a New York Times bestseller, Dark Mission, The Secret History of NASA.

00:25:12.000 For folks watching at PrisonPlanet.tv, you can see the cover of the book with the Grand Masonic flag on it there.

00:25:18.000 We're going to talk about that later.

00:25:20.000 You can get the book at bookstores everywhere or Mr. Hoagland, what's the best site to visit to get your booker to learn more about the huge overarching things that you're doing?

00:25:34.000 Darkmission.net.

00:25:36.000 We've set up a website for the book.

00:25:38.000 But then you also have the Enterprise group.

00:25:40.000 I have the Enterprise Mission, yes, but that's basically a huge panoply of everything.

00:25:45.000 If you're focused on the book and how to get it and the discussions going on, Mike Barra, my co-author, has a blog over there, and we publish new events around the book.

00:25:55.000 Darkmission.net is the place to go.

00:25:57.000 Darkmission.net, but go ahead and plug your other sites while we're at it.

00:26:00.000 Enterprisemission.com.

00:26:02.000 Everything you ever wanted to know about the space program that you were afraid to ask, or didn't know who to ask, is at EnterpriseMission.com.

00:26:11.000 Well, let's start getting into the history of NASA.

00:26:14.000 You've got connections to L. Ron Hubbard, Alistair Crowley, Nazis, occultists, I mean, and then we see all the occultism in their symbols, their names.

00:26:26.000 Break that down for us, Richard.

00:26:28.000 Well, once you start asking questions, you know, one question leads to another, leads to another, leads to another, and when I realized that NASA had covered up this momentous press conference event, basically stalled it for half an hour to cover for a hungover correspondent for ABC News, I then realized that this agency, which was supposed to be exploring space for the benefit of all mankind,

00:26:54.000 ...was basically not above doing anything lying to protect one individual, or in this case, probably to Curry's favor.

00:27:02.000 Because if Bergman, who was going to ask the question for ABC, had not been there when this historic thing happened, there would have been a holy hell today.

00:27:11.000 And NASA was obviously, in retrospect, skewing its entire public affairs program For this correspondent so that he would give them favorable coverage in future missions, in future years.

00:27:24.000 I understand, but it shows a culture of back-scratching and lying.

00:27:27.000 Let's go back.

00:27:30.000 That gets into how are these missions covered.

00:27:35.000 You know, we think of the Fourth Estate, Alex, as the kind of fourth part of government.

00:27:40.000 You have the three branches, then you have the press, which is supposed to be the watchdog group.

00:27:45.000 You know that press people rate somewhere down around Congress and lawyers in terms of public opinion, public perception?

00:27:53.000 Yes, I do, because they just sit there in little sequestered rooms drinking coffee as they're given press releases, and they're kept creatures, more and more domesticated creatures, by the government, and you have the President Well, the key thing, of course, goes back to World War II.

00:28:08.000 massive funding, running all these covert operations.

00:28:10.000 And that's what I want to get into.

00:28:12.000 In Dark Mission, and again, I'd separately learned this in my own historical research.

00:28:17.000 This is documented, but it's so bizarre.

00:28:19.000 Tell us how and why NASA got founded, because that's such an important part of your book.

00:28:24.000 Well, the key thing, of course, goes back to World War II.

00:28:28.000 You know, we had this huge war between us and the bad guys, the Nazis, or the fascists.

00:28:36.000 And it involved, you know, the world.

00:28:38.000 It involved Japan.

00:28:39.000 It involved, you know, Mussolini.

00:28:40.000 It involved Hitler. 0.68

00:28:42.000 It involved huge armies and millions of deaths and billions of dollars.

00:28:47.000 And it was basically, you know, kind of look at it archetypally.

00:28:51.000 It was the forces of dark against the forces of light.

00:28:56.000 Well, one of the things you've got to realize is the forces of light were operating on the same wavelength as the forces of darkness.

00:29:03.000 FDR was a 33rd degree mason.

00:29:05.000 And I started realizing that history itself, mainstream history, not just NASA, but mainstream history with the help of one of my friends, Ron Nix, who's a geologist, but also has done a tremendous amount of work in this area.

00:29:20.000 ...appears to be manipulating the conventional calendar, conventional historical events, according to occult and astrological signs and times and dates and moments of eventuality.

00:29:36.000 And an everyday example of that would be Ronald Reagan, to the minute, when he gave a speech, what day, what he was wearing.

00:29:43.000 Now, of course, Hitler designed it all. 0.99

00:29:46.000 The modern Olympics, they're going to have it on 888 at 888 in the morning.

00:29:50.000 I mean, they are really into numbers, numerology.

00:29:53.000 Please continue.

00:29:55.000 Well, as I was investigating, you know, as I went through the rest of my career with NASA and the networks, Given that big lie on that Sunday morning, I started looking at how the press dealt with NASA, and I noticed a favoritism.

00:30:10.000 You know, certain people were curried.

00:30:11.000 Certain people were given favors.

00:30:13.000 Certain people were given special things.

00:30:15.000 Other people were kind of excluded.

00:30:17.000 You know, there was a pecking order.

00:30:19.000 And those that were given favor were always writing favorable stories, or doing favorable coverage, or favorable pieces on the network, be it ABC, NBC, or CBS.

00:30:33.000 So I realize there was this incestuous relationship.

00:30:35.000 So years later, When I began to ask the questions about fundamental things, like why did we land on the moon on July 20th, 1969?

00:30:47.000 And the answer was, and you could actually do this with a computer, which was accessible then, was not accessible during my, you know, surgery with NASA.

00:30:55.000 We didn't have personal computers, we didn't have laptops, we didn't have, you know, Macs, we didn't have anything that gives us, certainly didn't have the internet.

00:31:03.000 The tools to combat this, you know, lies different at every level problem we're dealing with now, we basically were on our own with going to libraries.

00:31:12.000 So, I started, when we got the Internet, we got the computers, I started looking at launch dates and landing times, and I noticed this bizarre pattern.

00:31:21.000 This was in the mid-90s, which was that there appeared to be some kind of astrological, calendrical timekeeping behind the most important and major events in NASA's history.

00:31:36.000 And more than that, certain key events, like landings on the Moon with unmanned spacecraft, And then later with manned spacecraft, the Apollo program actually were skewed to land on Hitler's birthday.

00:31:51.000 And another light bulb went off.

00:31:53.000 Bing! 0.98

00:31:54.000 Because everybody knows, you know, it's almost, almost on school, that NASA was formed of the nucleus of the German scientist in Operation Paperclip, including the big one, the superstar, Wernher von Braun, brought over to the United States You know, as our pet Nazis after World War II, after we quote, won World War II. 0.65

00:32:17.000 Well, bottom line, in Dark Mission, Mike and I lay out the case that the pet Nazis basically rose up and ate NASA for lunch. 0.88

00:32:27.000 And everything that NASA's been doing.

00:32:30.000 has been on some kind of bizarre Nazi ritual Thule, you know, Thule Society calendar.

00:32:37.000 But you talk about, and then even the maps, the official ball caps, the patches, you know, then fit into all this.

00:32:46.000 There's symbology, the patches are designed to reflect these philosophies.

00:32:52.000 Now what was interesting is you had three groups.

00:32:55.000 We've discovered.

00:32:55.000 That's the key.

00:32:56.000 You've got this Alistair Crowley group.

00:32:58.000 I mean, this is, this is, this is, this is admitted, folks.

00:33:00.000 Go through it.

00:33:01.000 You have three groups that ultimately were vying for power in the creation of NASA when Eisenhower did it in 1958.

00:33:08.000 You had the Nazis, who of course were the big, you know, 800-pound gorilla. 0.87

00:33:14.000 You had the Masons. 0.95

00:33:16.000 I mean, the Masons are kind of the good guys in this scenario, because James Webb, who was a 33rd degree Mason, Basically, he tried to set up NASA to do amazingly important things to uplift education, to uplift technology, to uplift blacks in the South. 0.95

00:33:36.000 I mean, there's a huge swath of democratization that goes on in the United States by means of web using NASA and NASA as a tool to help Kennedy, you know, create a social renaissance.

00:33:49.000 in this society to break out of the Ku Klux Klan and all that stuff that was going on in the South.

00:33:54.000 And then farm out, use it as a unification tool, also farm out the new technologies to American industry.

00:34:00.000 But then meanwhile...

00:34:02.000 And to the university system.

00:34:03.000 And then you've got the third group, which we call the Magicians, which is the Crowley Group, which was based out of JPL, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

00:34:12.000 How many times have you heard, over the last 30-40 years, Alex, news stories?

00:34:17.000 JPL, the laboratory in Pasadena, California, which is a laboratory basically under Caltech.

00:34:25.000 So you had these three power bases, the Nazis, the Masons, and the Magicians. 0.99

00:34:30.000 And Dark Mission goes through how they abide for power, For each of their overlapping reasons.

00:34:37.000 And how the program, the space program that we all have seen, is the result of the inside feudal wars between these three groups inside NASA who only have agreed on one thing, Alex.

00:34:53.000 And that is that we should not ever get to see what's really out there.

00:34:56.000 Exactly!

00:34:58.000 And Richard C. Hoogland, that's the nature of the New World Order.

00:35:01.000 You're looking at one big pyramid, and as you know, when you pull back, it's hundreds of big pyramids that come together in that compartmentalization, and that's all it is, is these sun cults, snake cults, devil cults, sex cults, They run every major agency, and there are wars.

00:35:20.000 They fight amongst themselves, but they always keep the dumb cattle in the dark, and they're all into the occult, and that's why at certain levels they get along.

00:35:28.000 They recruit each other. 0.94

00:35:30.000 The super-globalists you'll find will be a member of dozens of these groups.

00:35:35.000 That is your Illuminati.

00:35:36.000 It's the Babylon mystery religions. 0.95

00:35:38.000 Your book has the evidence.

00:35:39.000 Again, separately in my own research, folks, I've seen, as I can tell you, it's accurate, the parts that we're getting into now.

00:35:47.000 I'm not saying the other stuff isn't accurate, I just am not knowledgeable about some of the stuff in the book.

00:35:51.000 Let's talk about the magicians first.

00:35:53.000 I mean, you've got chapter after chapter on it, but that's the part that most people, they know about the Masons, they know about the Nazis, and again, all following basically the same esoteric stuff, but a little bit different.

00:36:05.000 Let's talk about the magicians.

00:36:07.000 Well, the magicians go back, you know, this is my name for what's in NASA, this group, go back to Aleister Crowley, who was, you know, the self-proclaimed, you know, the beast, 666, et cetera, et cetera, the vilest man in the world, all that.

00:36:25.000 He was trying to practice literal magic in the 20th, 19th and 20th centuries.

00:36:33.000 Using mind over matter, using rituals, using esoteric rites, using, you know, sex magic, using anything he could get his hands on to basically try to change the world around him, to bend it to his will.

00:36:47.000 He was one of those super guys.

00:36:48.000 He was in or the head of a whole bunch of groups.

00:36:52.000 Well, he was in and out of a lot of different groups.

00:36:54.000 He stole freely, mixed it all together.

00:36:56.000 There's even now a new book out which claims that he was part of the British intelligence community.

00:37:02.000 Fighting both in World War I and World War II.

00:37:06.000 Be that as it may, he found a young neophyte in California named Jack Parsons, who was a genius.

00:37:15.000 He was an experimenter back in the 20s and 30s, when every kid wanted to build rockets and blow things up.

00:37:23.000 And Jack eventually went on to help create, with a guy named Molinas, and a guy named Von Karman, who was at Caltech, What we now call today the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, JPL.

00:37:37.000 In the in crowd, JPL is actually known by another acronym, Jack Parsons Lab.

00:37:43.000 Because what Jack Parsons did, this young kid, again another prodigal, he was able to create a solid fuel mixture that literally launched the space program.

00:37:55.000 It wasn't Goddard, it wasn't the Germans, it was Jack Parsons.

00:38:00.000 Who in his day job was this brilliant chemist creating amazing rocket fuel mixtures that ultimately were powerful and stable that became the baseline for JPL in various rocket series.

00:38:15.000 And then meanwhile in mainline history about Crowley and all these people and Parsons and of course the founder of Scientology, Parsons is involved in sex cult rituals to channel entities to tell him, I don't know if you know about this, you probably do, to tell him how to make all these things.

00:38:31.000 I mean, I'm not saying it's real, folks.

00:38:33.000 The point is, they believe it.

00:38:35.000 Well, no, wait, wait.

00:38:36.000 What Parsons did, you know, in his day job, was separate from what he did with Crowley.

00:38:41.000 He became part of the Philema cult, the OOTO, which is Crowley's organization in Southern California.

00:38:49.000 He ultimately wound up leading it.

00:38:52.000 He became the head of it in Southern California, simultaneous with working on the foundations of rocket technology, which would bootstrap NASA into space.

00:39:03.000 Now, how does the founder of Scientology tie in?

00:39:07.000 Ed, what's his name, L. Ron Hubbard, became also a member of the Malema Group there in Pasadena with Hubbard.

00:39:16.000 and he and and and uh... well i'm sorry he he impartial and then they kind of swap wives and there was i mean it's a huge Really interesting soap opera, an incredible soap opera that no one knows underlying the whole Western contingent of what is now today NASA, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. 0.80

00:39:34.000 Yeah, we have this gleaming white image of, you know, handsome go-get-em America, you know, perfect people who just are totally mom and apple pie, and meanwhile it's a bunch of Nazis, a bunch of lunatic 33rd degree masons, and a bunch of psycho... Wait, wait, wait, Alex, Alex, the 33rd degree masons founded the United States. 0.89

00:39:54.000 I'm fully aware of that.

00:39:55.000 You have to separate the Masons from the other two groups. 1.00

00:40:00.000 You know as well as I do.

00:40:01.000 I mean, let's be clear.

00:40:02.000 I know that a lot of the founders were Masons. 0.99

00:40:04.000 They also then wrote about how they didn't like that their Masonry was being taken over by... Masonry in the 1800s was taken over by a guy who created the Ku Klux Klan, whose name was... Albert Pike.

00:40:17.000 So I want to be clear that the Masons today... The Bourne Masonry.

00:40:21.000 The ordinary Masons today haven't a clue. 1.00

00:40:23.000 We're talking about the in-crowd.

00:40:25.000 I mean, I have some very good friends that are Masons. 0.99

00:40:27.000 Yeah, sure, the porch Masons are nice guys.

00:40:29.000 Enjoying it, because George Washington was in it.

00:40:31.000 And that's my point with any intelligence agent.

00:40:34.000 Remember, remember, the lie is different at every level.

00:40:37.000 Yes, so I'm sorry.

00:40:38.000 I'm going to make that as a bumper sticker.

00:40:40.000 That has got to be a bumper sticker.

00:40:42.000 Because that is such a key to figuring all this out.

00:40:45.000 Because each level, Alex, as you and I know, is told just enough to keep them going in the same direction, but they're not told the big story.

00:40:55.000 Exactly, so we're not here saying all nations are bad, I'm saying at the top.

00:40:58.000 No, but they think they're told the full truth.

00:41:01.000 That's the way to control the crowd. 0.96

00:41:04.000 Well, here's an example.

00:41:04.000 Every major Masonic lodge, of both arms of it, they You know, the Grand Orient and the Scottish Rite.

00:41:12.000 They have pictures of Albert Pike in every building.

00:41:15.000 And they have statues of him in D.C.

00:41:16.000 right by the Supreme Court.

00:41:18.000 But meanwhile, do they read his book saying he's possessed by Lucifer and that Jesus isn't God?

00:41:24.000 I mean, do they read Manly P. Hall saying they worship?

00:41:27.000 I mean, these are the head Masons.

00:41:29.000 And then a Mason will argue with you and say it's not Lucifer, when their own Grand Supreme Masters are saying, yes, I am possessed by Lucifer, sweet Lucifer.

00:41:39.000 Anyway, we both agree that the Masonic, you know, the ancient tradition were the good guys, and we're trying to enlighten humankind.

00:41:47.000 That's why the Founders were doing this incredible experiment called the United States.

00:41:52.000 And ever since this country was formed, we've had group after group and, you know, conspiracy after conspiracy.

00:41:58.000 Trying to get control of that engine!

00:42:00.000 To tear it down, to take control, to divert it from whatever its historical destiny.

00:42:06.000 Was and is supposed to be.

00:42:08.000 Remember Lincoln?

00:42:09.000 The last best hope of mankind.

00:42:12.000 I still believe that Alex.

00:42:13.000 That's why it's important to return it to its original path.

00:42:18.000 Critical.

00:42:19.000 If we're going to survive what's coming.

00:42:22.000 Alright, we've got a break, but I want to talk behind the scenes for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, also internet listeners who are listening to the InfoWars.com or PrisonPlanet.com streams.

00:42:31.000 You'll be able to hear this 3 minutes behind the scenes.

00:42:33.000 I've got to have Richard T. Hoagland up for 3-4 hours if he'll do it in the next month or so, because it's clear we've got about an hour and 5 minutes left, or less than an hour, it's about 40 minutes left, and there's just millions of questions I want to ask, points I want to bring up.

00:42:48.000 Let's get into what's happening right now at NASA when we get back.

00:42:53.000 Okay, I'm going to go ahead and go back to Richard C. Hoagland.

00:42:58.000 Again, we'll come back and get into what's happening with the attempted murders and NASA seeming like it's totally dysfunctional, everything you warned about 15 years ago that nobody believed, and now you've been proven to be quite a prophet on that count.

00:43:13.000 But just going back to these three cults, I got from what you said that the Nazis dominate that.

00:43:21.000 Who were their heirs?

00:43:22.000 Because Wernher von Braun, people died in the 70s and 80s and 90s.

00:43:25.000 All the Germans were dead. 0.87

00:43:26.000 I mean, who carried on their legacy?

00:43:29.000 See, this is an interesting question, which I don't have an answer to, because they've gotten much more sophisticated.

00:43:36.000 Jim Mars has just written a new book called The Fourth Reich or Rise of the Fourth Reich or whatever, Yeah, I'm gonna give him one.

00:43:43.000 The modern Fourth Reich doesn't advertise. 0.67

00:43:46.000 They don't wear the armbands.

00:43:47.000 They don't go to the meetings.

00:43:49.000 So there's no way to know, Alex, that's what's so insidious.

00:43:53.000 The old guard, the old guys, we basically knew, okay, we brought the Nazis over and we want to follow what they're doing and all that. 0.85

00:43:59.000 The new guys, we don't know who they are and how deeply they're involved.

00:44:05.000 The only thing we can do is to look at what they're doing, the facts of what they're doing, and the facts are that what they're doing is not consistent with what they claim they're doing.

00:44:15.000 In other words, there is a NASA program now called the Vision for Space Exploration, which is supposed to take us back to the moon and on to Mars.

00:44:24.000 It is a catastrophe.

00:44:26.000 It is a tragedy.

00:44:27.000 It is a slow-moving train wreck.

00:44:30.000 It is never going to accomplish what it claims to be doing.

00:44:34.000 It's almost as if it's been sabotaged step-by-step-by-step along the way by the dishonest guys.

00:44:42.000 We'll make them think, you know, we'll call them the Nazis. 0.80

00:44:47.000 Whereas the most of the agency is honest and still believes in the original principles and what they thought they were doing.

00:44:54.000 But they're so compartmentalized, they don't know exactly.

00:44:58.000 And I would imagine most of the energy is used, not for actual exploration, but to just compartmentalize.

00:45:05.000 Well, it's basically used to keep the doors open, the lights on, in ten NASA centers around the country.

00:45:09.000 There's 19,000, 18,000 people working for NASA now, and those salaries Take off a lot of change.

00:45:17.000 And when your budget is around 16 bills, 17 bills a year, that's nothing in today's budget.

00:45:23.000 How can you spend that in one week in Iraq?

00:45:26.000 Richard, we're about to come back live for the main audience, but just behind the scenes now, can I get you up for like two hours in the next few weeks?

00:45:35.000 Sure.

00:45:36.000 Okay, because this is really interesting and I want to do a part two before people forget about the part one.

00:45:41.000 Okay, we're going live right now and I want to kind of In the next 40 minutes I've got, will you just hit as many topics and as many points as we can and try to get some short answers because you've got so much knowledge.

00:45:52.000 Here we go.

00:46:01.000 Richard C. Hoagland is our guest.

00:46:03.000 The book, Dark Mission, The Secret History of NASA.

00:46:08.000 And we've hardly covered any of what's in it.

00:46:10.000 I'd like to have him back up in the near future.

00:46:13.000 We've got him into the middle of the next hour.

00:46:14.000 Then we have that NFL player who walked across the country to raise money for 9-11 first responders who've been forgotten.

00:46:23.000 Part of focusing in on the release of Truth Rising coming up on July 4th.

00:46:28.000 My new film gets into that and other subjects.

00:46:31.000 Richard C. Hoagland.

00:46:33.000 Skipping ahead now.

00:46:34.000 We looked at the founding of it.

00:46:35.000 Weird secret agency controlled by the president.

00:46:39.000 Then to today, and I know people from Houston, I know a Hollywood producer who's very serious, doesn't make stuff up, you know, saying that there were magnet programs run by NASA and that he was really in a mind control program with NASA.

00:46:53.000 I looked that up, turns out they did it.

00:46:54.000 They are associated with that over and over again.

00:46:58.000 What about mind control?

00:46:59.000 I mean, did you ever, do you have any info on that?

00:47:02.000 Well, let me back up.

00:47:03.000 You've given me a statement that I want to disagree with, gently, politely, with all due respect.

00:47:08.000 That's fine, go ahead.

00:47:10.000 You said NASA controlled by the President.

00:47:12.000 That's the big lie.

00:47:14.000 It wasn't.

00:47:15.000 From the get-go, from the beginning, when Eisenhower created this agency, he thought he was in charge.

00:47:21.000 And then, by the time his term was ended, his second term, remember his famous speech?

00:47:26.000 Well, that's what I mean.

00:47:27.000 It's a stand-alone agency outside government.

00:47:30.000 Well, it's part of a series of agencies that are controlled from some quarter.

00:47:37.000 It's the shadow government, sure, sure.

00:47:39.000 Well, but is it really even the shadow government?

00:47:42.000 I'm beginning to suspect it.

00:47:44.000 Do you know Joseph Farrell?

00:47:46.000 Yes.

00:47:47.000 Have you had him on?

00:47:49.000 No, I don't believe so.

00:47:50.000 You need to have Joseph Farrell on.

00:47:52.000 Joseph is working with me on the sequel to Dark Mission.

00:47:55.000 Joseph is a genius.

00:47:57.000 He's a PhD Oxford.

00:47:59.000 He is a genius.

00:48:00.000 What he has done is he has, with documents and meticulous reasoning and research, and doing it the old-fashioned way, you know, science, actually documenting what you think you found, he has discovered the most extraordinary antecedents to the genesis of NASA in the end of the Third Reich in Germany, and a series of black projects that were brought here 0.72

00:48:26.000 And seem to form the nucleus of a secret, hidden space program.

00:48:32.000 You see... Oh, absolutely!

00:48:33.000 I mean, we know NASA is the cover for the real program.

00:48:37.000 NASA is not... is a false front, Western Town, as I say over and over and over again.

00:48:41.000 And part of the reason why there is such disarray now Well, they can't seem to get their act together while we're building this thing in orbit that's going nowhere and sucking billions of dollars.

00:48:50.000 They want to suppress technology.

00:48:52.000 They don't want the public to know what's really been developed.

00:48:55.000 And here's an example.

00:48:55.000 Raymond Teague, NASA engineer, Air Force intelligence before that.

00:48:59.000 You know, he's on the Apollo program, you know, in mission controls.

00:49:02.000 You see pictures of him.

00:49:03.000 Good friend of mine.

00:49:04.000 He's come in and he said, look, you know, he was working with RCA on the cameras on the moon.

00:49:09.000 He was working on RCA with the stuff in Skylab after that.

00:49:12.000 And he said, he believes they went to the moon, but a lot of it was even covered up from them, what they were really doing.

00:49:18.000 And he said, the Van Allen radiation belt does fry the film.

00:49:22.000 He saw canisters and capsules that were tested.

00:49:25.000 He said they were on the moon, but that they faked the photos.

00:49:28.000 And he says he doesn't know why.

00:49:29.000 What do you say to that?

00:49:31.000 Well, I think he's wrong.

00:49:33.000 There is some film degradation, but they went through the belt so quickly and those canisters were put in lead for exactly that purpose.

00:49:40.000 We've got stunning artifacts on the moon.

00:49:42.000 I mean, you can't fake what we've got in these pictures that are NASA pictures.

00:49:46.000 What's interesting is we've had some NASA sources ourselves.

00:49:49.000 Ken Johnston is a key guy, who by the way is a 32nd degree mason.

00:49:54.000 And it was his masonic tradition, you know, as one of the good guys, When he started asking his own questions of his own experience in NASA after he read The Monuments of Mars, my first book, he met me in Seattle and he gave me access to an incredible archive of NASA photography that he had been ordered to destroy in Houston And he had disobeyed orders and kept it for 30 years.

00:50:17.000 Kind of like I've talked to the people for Time Lapse Books that were told to destroy the evidence at the back of Kennedy's head blown off, and I've seen those photos.

00:50:25.000 They need to release them.

00:50:26.000 I'll tell you what, Richard C. Hoagland, stay there.

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00:51:50.000 Richard C.

00:52:14.000 Hoagland is our guest for another 30 minutes.

00:52:17.000 Gotta have him back up sooner rather than later.

00:52:22.000 Okay Richard, there's so much to cover.

00:52:25.000 Obviously we're scratching the surface of Dark Mission.

00:52:27.000 Very impressive book.

00:52:29.000 No doubt NASA is covering up a lot.

00:52:32.000 I guess all bets are off then.

00:52:34.000 We can speculate all day.

00:52:38.000 But there are some things that we can prove they're covering up.

00:52:43.000 What about my question about NASA or the real program behind it in mind control?

00:52:49.000 Because in government documents, in government hearings, NASA keeps popping up over the years, and then from separate sources it keeps popping up, and you're one of the foremost experts on NASA outside of its system now.

00:53:00.000 Does that ever come across your radar screen?

00:53:03.000 Well, it certainly did in a very curious way.

00:53:07.000 First of all, let me say that there are, if you go to Google, Google is your friend.

00:53:11.000 That's, you know, besides the lie is different at every level, the other mantra is Google is your friend.

00:53:16.000 Use Google liberally, freely.

00:53:18.000 It's an amazing tool.

00:53:19.000 The Internet, I wish you realized that we wouldn't have a prayer if we didn't have the Internet.

00:53:23.000 The Internet, you know, thank God for Bill Gates and DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency, which gave us the Internet.

00:53:32.000 Um, has given us the tools to fight and fight effectively, because information is power.

00:53:37.000 So what you do is you go to Google, and you start looking at all the patents from mind control.

00:53:43.000 They're right out there.

00:53:45.000 This is not airy-fairy, you know... By the way, speaking of Google, they're now in bed with NASA, but go ahead.

00:53:51.000 Well, they've been in bed for quite a while with certain interesting agencies, but the information is there if you go look for it.

00:54:00.000 Google mind-control technologies, mind-altering technologies.

00:54:04.000 We all know, or most of this audience probably knows, but MKUltra.

00:54:08.000 It looks like they've been at the idea of manipulating and mind-controlling other people, the other side, whoever the enemy is, and we're, in their eyes, the enemy, for a long, long time.

00:54:20.000 20, 30, 40 years.

00:54:23.000 The question is, how good are they?

00:54:25.000 I think that NASA, if they themselves did not have the technology, were allied with those agencies that did have the technology, that developed it, out of World War II, the Nazis, we're back to the Nazis and those weird medical experiments again that we've all heard about.

00:54:42.000 I ran into this first person when I was invited to Wyoming back in the early 90s.

00:54:52.000 To do a series of programs for the school district in, in one of the southern towns, I think it was Billings.

00:55:00.000 And I would have been invited by a former CIA guy, who was married to a doctor, a medical doctor.

00:55:08.000 And what I decided, because they wanted me to come out and talk about the Mars stuff, based on what I talked about at the UN.

00:55:15.000 And instead, I unveiled a surprise.

00:55:18.000 Because at this Billings conference, For the first time, I talked about the structures we had found upon the moon.

00:55:27.000 Well, Alex, you would have thought I had taken a small nuclear weapon and detonated it in the middle of the conference.

00:55:35.000 I literally was manhandled by this guy, and put up against a wall, and browbeat for not following what I had said I was going to talk about, etc., etc., etc.

00:55:48.000 Now, you know that Wyoming is one of the places where they put these CIA guys out to pasture?

00:55:53.000 They buy them all ranches, and they live like kings, and basically it's CIA country.

00:55:58.000 Montana, Wyoming... Well, not just that, they're putting them in, FBI, CIA, almost every major sheriff.

00:56:06.000 Well, this was a retired intel guy, who of course is never retired, but here's the nub of the story.

00:56:13.000 When we were doing this conference, we were setting it up with this guy and his wife, and his wife was a medical doctor.

00:56:23.000 And at one point, one of the people I was with was trying to get her to talk about her experiences, and she revealed that she had been part of the quarantine team.

00:56:35.000 Debriefing the astronauts when they came back from the moon.

00:56:39.000 Wow, stay there.

00:56:40.000 Let's tie all this together after the break.

00:56:42.000 A quick break, we're going to talk behind the scenes as well, but we'll finish up with that story when we get back from the main audience.

00:56:47.000 Stay with me.

00:56:47.000 Again, Richard, this is kind of schizophrenic how we do this, but I don't want to waste the time, because we'll tell one little three-minute story here and then come back with the other story after, but that way you don't waste your time with the ads.

00:57:05.000 and And folks really do like it, and I appreciate you coming on.

00:57:10.000 I hope you're having a good time on the show.

00:57:13.000 It's just too brief.

00:57:15.000 I'm going to have to have you on four or five hours or two or three more interviews.

00:57:18.000 When we get back I want to hear the rest of the story and then go into what's happening with the modern NASA system.

00:57:30.000 What is your opinion on how advanced NASA really is from all the pieces of data you've got and how much of their You know, ShadowNASA or whatever you want to call it.

00:57:41.000 I mean, just how big and powerful that really is and what they've really developed.

00:57:44.000 Well, again, I'm a data guy.

00:57:46.000 You know, I don't like wild speculation, even though people, my enemies, accuse me of incredible wild speculation.

00:57:52.000 Everything that we talk about, we can support with evidence.

00:57:56.000 If you go to the various websites, like YouTube, and you download the shuttle video, STS-48 and STS-80, And you look at the events going on in this official NASA video of these bizarre crafts streaking around doing 200,000 G maneuvers.

00:58:19.000 200,000 times the force of gravity that would smear an occupant all over the walls of the cabin like, you know, toothpaste.

00:58:27.000 And you see them doing this with abandon, freely.

00:58:30.000 You are looking at spacecraft, obviously, that are not rockets.

00:58:34.000 Incredibly advanced technology.

00:58:37.000 Well, I discovered that all of these maneuvers are taking place over key latitudes on Earth, like 19.5 degrees over the Western Australia Outback, or 19.5 degrees over South America.

00:58:50.000 So what is it?

00:58:51.000 I mean, is it... It's a ritual, and it's our spacecraft.

00:58:55.000 It's human.

00:58:56.000 It's not UFOs, not aliens, not ETs.

00:58:59.000 Frankly, I'm beginning to believe the entire ET UFO scenario is another huge lie to cover the secret space program by humans here on Earth, which gets us into why did the Catholic Church Which, years ago, did some very peculiar things. 0.59

00:59:16.000 Why are they now saying aliens are real?

00:59:19.000 Not only that, Alex, why are they saying they're our extraterrestrial brothers?

00:59:24.000 Okay, let's come back and talk about mind control, and then let's get into that.

00:59:27.000 Let's go right now.

00:59:28.000 This is just absolutely amazing.

00:59:30.000 Richard C. Hoagland is our guest.

00:59:33.000 Enterprise Institute.

00:59:34.000 Give out all the sites again.

00:59:36.000 Alright, EnterpriseMission.com.

00:59:38.000 Think of a mission, Alex.

00:59:39.000 EnterpriseMission.com and then you've also got the DarkMission.net.

00:59:45.000 DarkMission.net.

00:59:46.000 Everything you wanted to know about what's in Dark Mission and didn't know who to ask.

00:59:49.000 Okay, here we go.

00:59:52.000 Big Brother.

00:59:58.000 Mainstream media.

01:00:00.000 Government cover-ups.

01:00:01.000 You want answers?

01:00:03.000 Well, so does he.

01:00:04.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:00:09.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:16.000 It's an amazing discussion with Richard C. Hoagland.

01:00:19.000 Really thankful for him being with us.

01:00:23.000 Darkmission.net's the website for the book.

01:00:27.000 Consultant to NASA, curator of a major museum, helped design the gold tablet, you know, message to the stars, sent out on one of the more famous spacecraft, worked with CBS News and Walter Cronkite, and now the biggest whistleblower out there on NASA corruption, and so much of what I've been talking about 15 years ago has now come out, that's what blows me away, because I try to just focus in on what I can prove, And reading his book, so much of it I can prove, and that's what scares me.

01:00:56.000 Mind control.

01:00:57.000 You were finishing up with mind control.

01:00:59.000 So you're out at this event, you bring up cover-ups of things on the moon, and this guy literally bulls up against you, shoves you up against a wall.

01:01:07.000 His wife's some government physician that works with the astronauts. 0.77

01:01:11.000 So finish that up, and then I want to get into these These official videos they've shown on the news from the space shuttle with these craft flying around and Richard, again, we don't talk about little green men here. 0.58

01:01:24.000 These are official government footage and Hoagland believes it's all part of a larger government program.

01:01:32.000 But get back to the mind control first, sir.

01:01:35.000 Well, we were having this dinner one night and, you know, basically when you go into a new town, you meet new people, your host, and we were staying there and all that.

01:01:43.000 It was very social and very protocol and all that.

01:01:47.000 Um, they did not know yet what I was going to talk about.

01:01:50.000 So, it was kind of, you know, you're a friend, you're a friend of a friend of ours, you're going to do this thing for the school the next couple of days, you know, and so I would just started asking questions, you know, what are you doing here and what do you used to do?

01:02:03.000 What did you do?

01:02:04.000 I discovered that his wife, this intel agent's wife, CIA guy in real life, was a doctor, medical doctor.

01:02:13.000 And that she had been part of the team debriefing in the quarantine the astronauts coming back from the moon.

01:02:21.000 And, you know, I'm trying to be very diplomatic and not give away what I'm going to talk about the next day.

01:02:27.000 The next day when I laid my bombshell on everybody that we found structures on the moon from the Apollo program and the other programs and showed the photographs, the reaction was so bizarre because not only was I slammed up against the wall by this guy and basically threatened, but his wife Never would come to the conference.

01:02:48.000 She orbited around.

01:02:49.000 She would go to a coffee shop down the street and have coffee, or she would go to the supermarket, or she would go and, you know, go back to the house, but she would never came to the whole... Through a three-day, she never came to the conference.

01:03:01.000 One of my associates, who'd kind of gotten friendly with her, because I was there with several other people, kind of got her aside at one point and was asking her some questions.

01:03:12.000 And it turns out that even though she remembered that she'd been part of the team to debrief the astronauts, she couldn't remember a thing that they said.

01:03:22.000 She couldn't remember why she no longer was working with NASA.

01:03:26.000 She couldn't remember... In other words, her memory lapses were enormous, and I don't think they were faint, because we now found the same pattern in all the flight crews, starting with Ed Mitchell.

01:03:39.000 Ed Mitchell, when he and I did the debate with Art some years ago, live, coast-to-coast, admitted freely that he was very troubled when he came back to Earth after Apollo 14.

01:03:50.000 And a young kid at one of these school events, because they all did school events, you know, exciting the next generation, one of the kids asked him, what did it feel like, Dr. Mitchell, to walk on the moon?

01:04:01.000 And he realized, he admitted in his own book, The Way of the Explorer, Ed Mitchell's book, And he admitted again on the air with Art and me that night that what troubled him immensely is he could not remember what it felt like to walk on the moon.

01:04:18.000 Now, Ed is a very emotional guy.

01:04:21.000 He's a scientist, you know, but he's one of the more emotional.

01:04:23.000 In other words, he's not repressing his emotions.

01:04:26.000 So for him not to remember the emotions really bothered him.

01:04:31.000 And it got so bad that he actually went to a therapist to try to have post-hypnotic Regression, to see why it was he couldn't remember the feeling.

01:04:40.000 He remembered the mission plan.

01:04:41.000 We did this, we did that, you know, Station A, Station B, we traversed the Earth, you know, turned this on, all that, but he couldn't remember the emotions.

01:04:50.000 And when he got in the therapy session, it turned out that there was a block so big that he literally could not be regressed through it.

01:04:59.000 He could not penetrate the block.

01:05:01.000 He would say things like, oh, that's not important, I don't need to know that.

01:05:04.000 So, this is one clue, the major clue I have, that the astronauts, probably, when they look into the camera and they say there's nothing there, or they say that Hogan's nuts or whatever, they're telling from their perspective the truth, because the awful truth, Alex, is they have been brainwashed.

01:05:22.000 They have been mind-controlled.

01:05:24.000 They have had a technology, a very sophisticated technology, Which took away the real missions that they experienced.

01:05:31.000 Now we have had a few of the astronauts come out and say that they did see craft on the moon, around the moon, and around the Earth.

01:05:37.000 Those are lies.

01:05:38.000 Those are lies.

01:05:39.000 That's more digression.

01:05:40.000 That's more disinformation.

01:05:41.000 That's absolutely not true.

01:05:44.000 What they saw there were structures.

01:05:46.000 What they saw there was technology.

01:05:47.000 They were sent there.

01:05:49.000 The mission of Apollo, I believe, and we lay this out in Dark Mission, was to bring back technology that the in-crowd, the controllers, whoever they are, the people behind NASA, want desperately from the 1960s.

01:06:03.000 Okay, well let me just stop you right there, because in the second interview I want to spend two hours on that, but I mean, here's what I have to say about the issue.

01:06:10.000 You mentioned during the last segment we had behind the scenes for presentplanet.tv viewers and folks on the InfoWars.com streams, Yeah, and I've seen those footage, I remember back in the 90's or whenever it was, seeing it on the news, and NASA released, and why would they release it?

01:06:25.000 Footage... I mean, what shows, I mean, get into that now, and then you told me that you believe that that is, you know, human, terrestrial... It's our craft, it's our spacecraft.

01:06:36.000 Well, I mean, regardless, we have to talk about that, because that is on the tape, and lasers shooting up, I mean, it's crazy.

01:06:44.000 Well, it's not laser, it looks like particle beams or some kind of test.

01:06:47.000 Where the, where the, where the objective... Yeah, particle beams.

01:06:50.000 Direct energy weapons.

01:06:51.000 Yeah, direct energy and... I don't want to get technical, but I mean, just go ahead and get into that for me.

01:06:56.000 Well, the spacecraft, whatever it is, nimbly dances out of the way.

01:07:00.000 I mean, this is a technology which can control gravity, controls inertia, does not use something primitive as... So why do we see particle beams, huge ones, firing at things that are, you were saying 200,000 Gs?

01:07:14.000 I mean, go over that.

01:07:14.000 Yep.

01:07:16.000 Well, because I think it's part of a test for if there are bad guys out there.

01:07:21.000 Or maybe they're doing preparations for factions.

01:07:26.000 Maybe looking at more than one faction.

01:07:28.000 Remember, these groups tend to fragment.

01:07:31.000 They fractally fragment.

01:07:32.000 So that you have wars within wars within wars.

01:07:36.000 But why would NASA release that footage?

01:07:41.000 Well, remember, you've got all the good guys at NASA.

01:07:44.000 And then you've got a few who are not good guys.

01:07:47.000 The good guys don't know that there's something to keep secret.

01:07:50.000 Remember, the lies are for the liberal.

01:07:52.000 They believe the lies they've been told.

01:07:54.000 So when you set up a structure, an institution, which is supposed to be open and above board and is supposed to present live TV of the shuttle missions, they present live TV!

01:08:03.000 Now, the controllers can't say, oh, well, you can broadcast this, but you can't broadcast that.

01:08:08.000 Because the honest guys are going to say, why can't we broadcast that?

01:08:11.000 Sure.

01:08:12.000 So, people always say, if this was happening, it would come out.

01:08:15.000 And it is coming out.

01:08:17.000 Well, I mean, I agree with you.

01:08:18.000 When you've got the Catholic Church saying we need to love the aliens, they're our brothers.

01:08:21.000 When you've got every major denomination saying it.

01:08:24.000 When you've got all the movies and you've got You know, in the 80s, huge programs at the Olympics with aliens landing, you know, fake aliens.

01:08:33.000 And you've got huge things the size of three football fields floating over Dallas and stuff all over the place.

01:08:41.000 Something's going on in every government documents about fake extraterrestrial landings.

01:08:46.000 You know, any of this.

01:08:47.000 Why?

01:08:48.000 I mean, you believe it's fake.

01:08:49.000 Remember Operation Northwoods.

01:08:52.000 Yes.

01:08:53.000 Or we can go to the, you know, September 11th.

01:08:53.000 OK.

01:08:57.000 Governments do huge, big things to sway populations at key nodal points in history.

01:09:03.000 They love hoaxes!

01:09:05.000 Yeah, well, this manufactured history is what it is.

01:09:08.000 We are building... I mean, all my UFO friends... I need to shake them, because they're so... Frankly, they're extremely naive, Alex.

01:09:17.000 They really believe we're building toward disclosure.

01:09:21.000 I believe we're building toward a mass Carefully manufactured fake event where ETs, who are really humans, who are really part of this secret clique, who are probably Nazis, you know, who developed or perfected their technology from World War II, which is why you've got to get, you know, Joseph on. 0.62

01:09:42.000 They are going to basically fake out the world.

01:09:45.000 Well, now that's been declassified.

01:09:46.000 The Nazis already had A-bombs. 0.52

01:09:48.000 They call them radiation weapons.

01:09:51.000 They already had broken the sound barrier.

01:09:53.000 It's Farrell's research.

01:09:54.000 And the reason he's got access to this documentation is that when East and West Germany reunited after the wall fell, a huge number of documents from the Polish Secret Service came out.

01:10:08.000 And in German, of course, which they had purloined and taken back after World War II as part of their spoils from the war. 0.62

01:10:16.000 They have been declassified.

01:10:18.000 And there's an incredible window on the Nazi black ops program.

01:10:25.000 The compartmentalized, incredible high-technology efforts that were being funded by the Nazi war machine, particularly toward the end of the war in a desperate effort to win the war, and they fastened their hopes on several key technologies Some of which appear to be the control of gravity itself.

01:10:45.000 Which, again, is a separate piece of data from my work, which came at this from a hyper-dimensional physics perspective.

01:10:52.000 I mean, we know there's a lot of suppressed technology.

01:10:54.000 I mean, 20 years after the B-2 bomber was already in service, they declassified it.

01:10:58.000 So we have a lot of cases of that.

01:11:00.000 We know there's a whole shadow government.

01:11:02.000 This is technology and physics, Alex, that would make anything you think you know like a candle flame compared to a hydrogen bomb.

01:11:09.000 This is a physics that literally allows you to rearrange time.

01:11:13.000 Well, here's an example.

01:11:14.000 I mean, three years ago, the Air Force General had a press conference.

01:11:19.000 San Francisco Chronicle picked it up.

01:11:20.000 Then they came out and said, forget that information.

01:11:23.000 They admitted they have antimatter weapons.

01:11:25.000 I mean, is that the time?

01:11:26.000 Again, those pale beside what I'm talking about, which is torsion field physics, which is another whole program.

01:11:33.000 Yeah, well, final segment with Richard C. Hoagland.

01:11:36.000 When we come back, I want to talk about what we know about this giant shadow reality.

01:11:41.000 I mean, imagine the elites.

01:11:43.000 They get to know the reality, know what's going on.

01:11:45.000 We're down here caring about Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt and what they're trying to build, what their endgame is.

01:11:52.000 Jim Newcomer from Midas.

01:11:53.000 July 7, 2008.

01:11:54.000 You know what?

01:11:54.000 Let me talk to him behind the scenes.

01:11:56.000 I don't want to waste my time.

01:11:57.000 John, bring him up.

01:11:59.000 Let's go ahead and have another behind the scenes discussion.

01:12:01.000 This is too interesting.

01:12:02.000 We're going to come back with the endgame in a moment.

01:12:04.000 But I mean, imagine, you've got all these compartments in these pyramids.

01:12:08.000 Pyramids within pyramids of compartmentalization.

01:12:11.000 That's why that's the New World Order symbol. 0.81

01:12:13.000 I mean, we don't know what they've got because they are so secret.

01:12:17.000 We know they lie so much.

01:12:18.000 We just know it's advanced.

01:12:19.000 Mainline scientists say they're 30 years advanced.

01:12:22.000 So Richard C. Hoagland, what I'm saying to you is, I'm entertaining what you're saying.

01:12:27.000 I respect you.

01:12:27.000 I think you're a great guy.

01:12:28.000 My only issue is, like you said, dealing with what we know they could be up to.

01:12:34.000 The fact is, Alex, we have done experiments.

01:12:38.000 We have our own data.

01:12:39.000 We have experiments now from the Soviet Union.

01:12:42.000 30, 40 years when the Iron Curtain came down, you know, when Glasnost finally prevailed, a huge amount of stuff was declassified from the KGB as well.

01:12:52.000 And we now have put this data together.

01:12:55.000 We not only know what the physics is, we know what it can do.

01:12:57.000 We know what it's based on.

01:12:59.000 We know how to make it work.

01:13:00.000 We've seen in our own experiments ample evidence.

01:13:03.000 We've seen experiments across the American landscape and even in Europe that vindicate various parts of this.

01:13:10.000 And the latest thing I'm working on It looks like von Braun himself was deeply involved in some of this early physics experimentation, and we've got a paper trail now to what he found that was suppressed by NASA up to and including the current time frame, which allowed us to leapfrog the Russians and go to the moon with Apollo.

01:13:33.000 It's a stunning, stunning documentary.

01:13:36.000 But, Richard, you think they're lying and suppressing things, and certainly they are, but then you believe the entire Apollo program.

01:13:43.000 I mean, I believe we've gone to the moon, things are much more advanced than we know just because the evidence is there, and even mainline science says they're really 30 years ahead of what we're seeing on average, and then even now the exponential growth of things.

01:13:58.000 But then you believe the official story about going to the moon.

01:14:01.000 It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of data.

01:14:04.000 You know, again, this is why, if you really want to do this, you've got to read the book.

01:14:08.000 You have to read the book.

01:14:09.000 That's why people write books, because you can't do it in an hour and a half.

01:14:12.000 No, I mean, I've read the book.

01:14:13.000 I mean, I understand, but we're here still having a radio discussion about it.

01:14:16.000 Well, you've got to look at the photographs.

01:14:18.000 The photographs are downloadable from official NASA websites, in addition to Ken Johnston.

01:14:24.000 We now have a bunch of hidden whistleblowers inside the agency who obviously have figured out that something is not, you know, right.

01:14:29.000 Okay, well we're going to do a part two on that, then we'll get into all the wild stuff, which, boy, I mean, if that's the case, they're leaking stuff and things like Total Recall.

01:14:39.000 Yes!

01:14:40.000 Of course!

01:14:41.000 Total Recall, by the way, I had a good friend at Fox told me was stolen line for line, almost, from Monument to Mars.

01:14:48.000 My first book.

01:14:52.000 And who was Arnie, really?

01:14:55.000 Okay, listen, we're going live here in about a minute.

01:15:00.000 Just an amazing interview, Richard.

01:15:03.000 Amazing interview.

01:15:04.000 Let's come back and just briefly talk about the hierarchy and also talk about what really happened with that crazy astronaut and the attempted murder, okay?

01:15:12.000 Well, let's do big picture.

01:15:15.000 Okay.

01:15:15.000 And give people some context.

01:15:16.000 Okay, here we go.

01:15:19.000 ...and still be here for my date tonight with Rachel.

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01:15:54.000 Imagine the power trip of the elite.

01:15:57.000 They know what the real technologies are.

01:15:59.000 They know what's really going on.

01:16:00.000 While we're down here talking about Hollywood squares and the NFL.

01:16:06.000 Not even knowing the three branches of the transparent government.

01:16:10.000 We're going to see Hogle, and we're going to have him back up for two hours in the near future to really get into all the wild evidence he's got.

01:16:16.000 I mean, NASA now basically has admitted they put red filters over the atmosphere to make it look red.

01:16:21.000 They admit now the sky is blue.

01:16:24.000 They found ice all over Mars.

01:16:25.000 I mean, that's the admitted stuff is amazing.

01:16:28.000 Why would they cover that up in the past and say, oh, we put a red filter on to make the contrast better for you?

01:16:34.000 to play along with that.

01:16:36.000 But imagine being members of the elite.

01:16:37.000 They get to fight and jostle and always try to get to the next level of the pyramid, to find out more, to be explorers.

01:16:44.000 It's the ultimate greediness by these people to wall off the general world from true knowledge.

01:16:52.000 I mean, I want to teach people things.

01:16:54.000 I want to learn things.

01:16:54.000 I want to show people things.

01:16:56.000 I guess they love hoarding all the secret knowledge because it gives them the power, but that's what Ray Kurzweil and all these futurists say.

01:17:03.000 Well, obviously this has been on my mind from the beginning when I started putting the dots together and realized there were two separate realities.

01:17:08.000 because the elite's going to go forward into the future, and the population isn't. 0.96

01:17:12.000 We're going to be reduced down to nothing, the useless eaters. 0.96

01:17:15.000 But big picture, Richard C. Hoagland.

01:17:17.000 Well, obviously this has been on my mind from the beginning when I started putting the dots together and realized there were two separate realities, actually more than two, but two will basically suffice for now.

01:17:30.000 And I've been trying to back-engineer what's the endgame, what's the big picture, what's the endgame, Well, one big picture is that the human race is much older and more extraordinary, astounding, astonishing, than anyone has ever been allowed to believe, certainly in modern times.

01:17:49.000 If you go to ancient texts, ancient wisdom, ancient documents, ancient sacred writings, you find ample evidence that the human race is Millions and millions and millions of years old, and that we used to have an incredibly fabulous high-tech civilization that allowed human beings to live like gods.

01:18:07.000 And then something happened.

01:18:09.000 The Fall, as we term it in the Western idiom, you know, Genesis.

01:18:14.000 And now we're basically living almost at a sustenance level.

01:18:18.000 We're being told now that we have to, in the face of extraordinary physical crises of energy, the lifeblood of civilization, without which everybody becomes poor or dead quickly, we're told we have to drill for something which is ridiculous and primitive as oil.

01:18:35.000 When they have plenty of advanced technologies, they've invented... Oh, there's incredible advanced technologies.

01:18:40.000 So, the endgame, one of the endgames, is if you control people's sustenance, If you control the energy in which they live, the resources which they utilize, and the information under which they operate, you control them totally.

01:18:55.000 So one of the games... And that's it, we're inside a bottle, we're inside a matrix, not an electronic matrix, but garbage being fed into our cerebral cortexes.

01:19:05.000 And well listen, I have to tell you, that's what all this fits into.

01:19:09.000 And that's what my instincts and all of my larger knowledge tells me is that if you look at humans, we don't act or behave like anything we see, Terran.

01:19:18.000 To say we're connected to monkeys and chimpanzees and all the rest of it's a total joke.

01:19:23.000 And then you do look at Mars and all the legends and the rest of it.

01:19:26.000 It isn't Martians, folks. 0.98

01:19:27.000 It's us.

01:19:28.000 I mean, is that what you're saying?

01:19:30.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:19:30.000 Now, you have titled your One of your websites, PrisonPlanet.com.

01:19:36.000 I always thought to myself, what did Alex figure out?

01:19:39.000 But he realizes... No, that's it.

01:19:40.000 We're in a false reality.

01:19:41.000 I just don't know what it is.

01:19:43.000 I know they're building camps.

01:19:44.000 I know they're poisoning us, dumbing us down, genetic engineering us down.

01:19:48.000 That's all admitted, and I'm trying to branch out now and at least get people thinking about the next level, because all my instincts tell me there's just unbelievable, fabulous things being hidden from us.

01:19:58.000 Okay, number two, if you get that they're keeping all the good stuff for themselves, the reason is that if we got access to the good stuff, if we got access to the technologies, the energy, you know, we wouldn't be worried about $4, $5 a gallon gas or $10 a gallon gas.

01:20:15.000 We would live like people are supposed to live, all six billion of us, who could live lightly on the earth, Alex, with this technology.

01:20:24.000 And live longer!

01:20:25.000 And live longer!

01:20:26.000 Absolutely, and better, and, you know, you could live to two, three hundred and have the virility of your twenties and thirties.

01:20:34.000 There's extraordinary medical breakthroughs, there's extraordinary physics breakthroughs, technology breakthroughs, energy.

01:20:40.000 It's all been kept away because They are supposed to have it, and we're not.

01:20:46.000 So where does that dichotomy come from?

01:20:48.000 And by the way, folks, don't roll your eyes at all this.

01:20:50.000 We know they're lying and suppressing.

01:20:52.000 We're just trying to find out what it is.

01:20:53.000 Think about it.

01:20:54.000 We're already on a planet hurtling through space, all these wonders around you, and you've been taught it's bizarre to question, and that's because there's so many kooks in the alternative movement.

01:21:06.000 who do talk about ridiculous Hollywood-style green men instead of really looking at the shadow government and all these crazy secret societies that are admittedly running NASA and the shadow government.

01:21:17.000 The lie is different at every level.

01:21:19.000 The lie is different at every level, and we're trying to expand that and break through those different levels.

01:21:24.000 Okay, Richard C. Hoagland, fire out the websites again.

01:21:27.000 EnterprisesMission.com and DarkMission.com.

01:21:32.000 Anytime Alex.

01:21:32.000 It's been fun.

01:21:33.000 By all means.

01:21:34.000 Okay, you too.

01:21:34.000 up in the next few weeks if you'll do it for even longer.

01:21:36.000 Anytime, Alex.

01:21:36.000 It's been fun.

01:21:38.000 Thank you, Richard.

01:21:39.000 Let me say bye to you behind the scenes here.

01:21:41.000 Okay, hey, Richard, that was great.

01:21:45.000 Let me in the next few weeks get you on for two hours.

01:21:48.000 By all means.

01:21:49.000 All right, that was fabulous.

01:21:50.000 Great talking to you.

01:21:50.000 Take care.

01:21:51.000 Okay, you too.

01:21:52.000 Bye.

01:21:53.000 All right, here we go.

01:21:53.000 Okay, you got the next guest on?

01:21:59.000 Tides again.

01:22:01.000 EnterpriseMission.com and DarkMission.net.

01:22:05.000 Okay, hey, I want to get you up in the next few weeks if you'll do it for even longer.

01:22:08.000 Anytime, Alex.

01:22:09.000 Thank you, Richard.

01:22:10.000 It's been fun.

01:22:10.000 Thank you, Richard.

01:22:11.000 Let me say bye to you behind the scenes here.

01:22:14.000 We're on the march.

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01:24:29.000 9-11 was an inside job! 0.86

01:24:31.000 Do you like being a puppet, sir?

01:24:33.000 Do you like being a puppet for the New World Order?

01:24:34.000 How do the American people know that 9-11 was a state?

01:24:37.000 was engineered by you David Rockefeller that's for a lot of commission is the the day that we stop asking questions is the day that we have allowed the seeds of despotism to grow at our own door seven years after the attacks of September of George Martin was the co-captain of the New York Giants and laid big blue to a Super Bowl victory.

01:24:58.000 Today he accomplished another amazing feat, finishing a walk all the way across the country to raise money for the forgotten heroes of 9-11.

01:25:06.000 Heroes come in all shapes and sizes.

01:25:08.000 In stature, George Martin is one of the larger ones, but in his mind, he's shadowed by the ones that ran towards the towers that day in September.

01:25:16.000 And that's why he walks now in June.

01:25:18.000 To me, the mental part of it was more difficult than the physical aspect of it.

01:25:22.000 I think because of my athletic ability, it made it a little bit easier, but the mental challenge of doing this repetitively day in and day out, that was the real grind.

01:25:29.000 3,000 miles, 10 months, 24 pairs of shoes, and 80 sets of socks later, he arrives in San Diego the hard way, via the highway from Manhattan, met by firemen, cops, and his NFL brother.

01:25:43.000 George endured a lot during his trek, which averaged 22 miles a day.

01:25:48.000 He dropped 40 pounds, but also raised $2 million for folks with health-related problems linked to 9-11.

01:25:55.000 A journey, to be sure, of mind, body, and soul.

01:25:58.000 I would encourage everyone who is moved by what they're seeing today or what they're experiencing today to make their presence known as well.

01:26:05.000 What a great guy.

01:26:12.000 Not being self-centered, thinking about other people.

01:26:16.000 Walking across the country raising more than two million dollars.

01:26:20.000 ajourneyfor911.info And it all goes to the first responders.

01:26:26.000 Two million, two thousand and thirty-one has already been raised.

01:26:31.000 You can also call 1-800-889-8038 and give for the firemen, the police, the other emergency workers that were there.

01:26:41.000 Let's go ahead and go to our guest.

01:26:43.000 A lot of folks already know who he is because they're fans of the Giants or NFL football, George Martin, and of course played with the Giants top player.

01:26:52.000 Mr. Martin, it is great to have you on with us.

01:26:55.000 Well, thank you very much, and please call me George.

01:26:57.000 George, how did you first learn about the plight of the first responders from the deadly dust?

01:27:04.000 I mean, how did this form in your mind?

01:27:06.000 How did this end up developing and happening?

01:27:09.000 Well, first of all, I played all 14 of my NFL seasons right here in New York, and I certainly consider myself a transplanted New Yorker, so the events of 9-11, by and large, took place right here in our backyard.

01:27:21.000 And when I witness the events and I go back in my mind's eye and I see that catastrophe unfolding, I see the horde just rushing away from that catastrophe.

01:27:30.000 But I also see a small group of people who are actually running towards it, and that always had a profound impact on me.

01:27:37.000 And when I found out later that post 9-11 that because of their exposure to the toxic cloud down at Ground Zero, that some of them had become ill and eventually some of them had died, I decided at that point in time to use my celebrity for two distinct purposes.

01:27:55.000 Number one, to raise the awareness level of the plight of the first responders and rescue and recovery workers.

01:28:01.000 And secondly, to raise funds for their medical treatment.

01:28:04.000 And that was the essence of the journey for 9-1-1.

01:28:08.000 Well, the way that the EPA knew the dust was deadly, they said it was safe to breathe, and then now they've been involved in a huge cover-up.

01:28:16.000 They gave Christina Todd Whitman liability protection, a court did, and then they still won't give them the health care they need when it's only the cost of four or five smart bombs, you know, just a few hundred million dollars to give them all the treatment they need.

01:28:31.000 Why won't they give them the treatment?

01:28:32.000 I don't understand.

01:28:34.000 Well, it's perplexing to me, particularly when these individuals act, to me, rises to the level of being heroic.

01:28:41.000 And as you said, they put their very health, their careers, and their very lives on the line here.

01:28:47.000 Why hasn't America and Americans responded in kind to these brave men and women?

01:28:52.000 And it's so perplexing to me that I think in many regards it angered me, but not to the point where I would do what most of the government is doing, local and state, and federal, and that's pointing accusing fingers, I decided that I would take it upon myself to make a difference in these heroes' lives, and that's when I decided that I would walk across this great country of mine, and I have no regrets whatsoever.

01:29:16.000 So instead of just complaining about it, you went and showed them up, I would say, and did some good in the process, raising more than $2 million.

01:29:24.000 Explain to us where these funds are going to go now, or how these are dispensed out and who's getting them so other people can give. - Yes.

01:29:34.000 Yeah, because $2 million is really just half of the story here.

01:29:38.000 The bigger story is that with the three participating hospitals that we have that are associated with the Journey for 9-1-1, and they are Mount Sinai, Hackensack University Medical Center, and North Shore Long Island Jewish, each one of those three participating hospitals have pledged that for every dollar we raise, That they are going to contribute an additional dollar of medical services for these first responders.

01:30:01.000 Well, that's amazing.

01:30:02.000 That's amazing.

01:30:04.000 In fact, Mount Sinai five years ago did the CAT scans and said they did have a horrible lung disease and still...

01:30:10.000 I mean, we have to focus on this because, you know, you're doing this great thing to raise two million, now I guess it's over four million, because it's being matched, and that'll certainly help hundreds of these people.

01:30:19.000 We have over a thousand who've died from this, fifty-something thousand that are sick from it.

01:30:24.000 I mean, this could all be over overnight.

01:30:27.000 I mean, have the feds, in all your investigations, said why they won't give any treatment to these people, or why the state's been doing that?

01:30:35.000 Well, I've not heard any reason, or any good reason, why they have not.

01:30:39.000 And again, that kind of angers me, because when you look at the cost that we're spending at this war, I mean, you're right, for a fraction of what we're involved in overseas, we could take care of this problem.

01:30:52.000 I think they can do it in grand fashion.

01:30:54.000 And I will commend some of the local congressmen, Carolyn Mahoney and some of her colleagues invited me to Washington.

01:31:03.000 where they did introduce 9-11 legislation.

01:31:06.000 It's my understanding that it did get out of committee, but it has not been signed.

01:31:10.000 Yes, Dennis Kucinich and Mahoney did that, and we had cameras there, and that's in the film Truth Rising that comes out July 4th, and you're right.

01:31:18.000 But again, how could it be?

01:31:21.000 And then that congressman said, you know, just forget the first responders.

01:31:26.000 They don't need any money, and now he's in a lot of trouble.

01:31:28.000 I just don't understand how the government will use their heroics to try to tie it to the war and all the things and their policies, taking our liberties.

01:31:35.000 But then when it comes time to just give them some health care, you'd think even if they were cynical and evil, they'd want to take care of them so they wouldn't look bad.

01:31:43.000 It's just like, it's just so bizarre.

01:31:46.000 Well, I think what it does is it compounds an already disastrous situation.

01:31:51.000 uh... because here you are people who did not have uh...

01:31:55.000 health care or did not have adequate health care or these people who've expired to get health care that they that they did have at least people are really hurting them when i've met some of the first responders who can't walk up applied a fair without and their breath having only a quarter of their lung capacity.

01:32:12.000 Many of them are suffering from internal diseases.

01:32:15.000 They also have post-traumatic shock syndrome.

01:32:18.000 I mean, this is a travesty, and that's why I don't understand why it's allowed to continue.

01:32:24.000 Well, let's go back to the great work you did.

01:32:27.000 How did you raise $2 million-plus in this walk across the nation?

01:32:32.000 Now, that's a great question, because when you talk about marshalling resources, and this was really a team effort.

01:32:40.000 There were so many people from the corporate side, from the philanthropist side, and also from the grassroots side, and I'd like to acknowledge some of those individuals.

01:32:49.000 And first of all, there were two outstanding philanthropists here in New York by the name of Joe and Carol Rich, who themselves alone donated and contributed $911,000 for a journey for 911.

01:33:02.000 I mean, kudos goes out to those individuals, because that's putting your money where their mouth is.

01:33:08.000 And then we had such great corporate support, particularly from my company that I work for, AXA Equitable, which is the 14th largest company in the world, who allowed me to go out on this journey for the nine and a half months, who also was our title sponsor, because they marshaled all their resources among their employees, both nationally and locally, and they contributed mightily to this cause.

01:33:32.000 And of course we had Best Western Hotels, which was the only hotel chain that stepped to the forefront, as that was our greatest expense going across country.

01:33:41.000 Best Western stood up, as well as Roger Goodell, who's the commissioner of the National Football League, John Mara, who's the owner of the New York Giants, as well as my good friend Gene Upshaw down at the NFL Players Association, all contributed mightily to a journey for 9-1-1.

01:33:56.000 Well, that's the only way we're going to make the world a better place, and if the Feds won't take our own tax money and help people that are dying, literally, I mean, even fire captains and fire chiefs are dead and dying, who are down there breathing this, and the police and firemen should think about this, and politically think about the fact that this is the type of government you have that won't even give you health care, and a retired NFL player has to go out and walk across the country to try to get a few million dollars

01:34:27.000 But then we see that being multiplied like the loaves and fishes now and turning into 4 million.

01:34:33.000 Looking at that day, 9-11, the 9-11 Commission admitted that there were prior warnings that were ignored, so much that happened.

01:34:41.000 And then supposedly Saudi Arabians attack us, so we attack Iraq. 0.91

01:34:45.000 I mean, what's your larger view, not just of the first responders and the tragedy, but just of the entire 9-11 event itself?

01:34:53.000 Well, first of all, I'd like to say this, because I think the ultimate irony is this.

01:34:57.000 Here it is, we've all come to an agreement that it's not a matter of if.

01:35:02.000 We know that in the future that there's likely to be another attack on America.

01:35:06.000 And it's not a matter of if, it's only a matter of when.

01:35:10.000 I did not want to give those brave men and women who now don the uniform of police, fire and rescue, and EMT A moment to pause because America would not stand behind them in their time of need.

01:35:23.000 And I thought it was important for someone to stand fast and say, well, we're going to respond in kind the way these brave men and women have responded to us.

01:35:32.000 Secondly, when you look at the nation's economy, when you look at how gas prices are just soaring through the roof, when you look at the housing meltdown, when you look at how it's costing more for the cost of living, And with inflation tacked on to that, here are people who are suffering.

01:35:46.000 You're talking about Americans who are paying the ultimate price.

01:35:51.000 It's just inconsolable for me to understand how we have abandoned together as a government to help these people in their gravest, darkest hour.

01:36:03.000 Well, at least you're stepping up.

01:36:06.000 Myself and a group called We Are Change in New York, we've raised pittance compared to what you have, about $50,000 for the Feel Good Foundation and a few other groups in New York.

01:36:16.000 We sent thousands of gas masks and breathing apparatus the day after 9-11.

01:36:21.000 We could see that concrete and mercury and arsenic and The asbestos would be bad when the media and the government were saying it was good for them, and then it wasn't a problem.

01:36:32.000 So, you know, we've tried to do what we could, and again, people have got to ask themselves why they could end the PR nightmare, and they could have given them... I mean, even if the government was evil, the people running it were bad, they could have still taken care of the police and firemen and emergency workers, and then they wouldn't have this big nightmare, this big public relations nightmare.

01:36:51.000 It just seems like such a Such a dumb move.

01:36:54.000 I mean, I would imagine as you were walking for ten months across the country, boy, what a way to see America, that you were probably asking yourself that as you were walking, weren't you? 0.98

01:37:06.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:37:06.000 And the thing that is ironic to me, it's my understanding that there were funds that were allocated for the first responders and rescue and recovery workers, but it's been held up, I think, because of the perceived litigation that's going to come down the pike, because People are denied responsibility on the federal level and the state level and the local level.

01:37:26.000 That's right, you just answered it, and that's the answer to all of it.

01:37:29.000 If they give them health care when all the hospitals say they're dead and dying and their lungs are full and 20% capacity like you said, if they admit they're sick, then there could be liability, so they're just cutting them loose.

01:37:41.000 Exactly, and although we realize this is a very litigious society, it should not preclude people from doing what is right.

01:37:48.000 And it should not preclude the government from stepping up and fulfilling its obligation and its responsibility toward its citizens.

01:37:54.000 I don't feel that that's right.

01:37:56.000 Absolutely.

01:37:56.000 Tell my listeners in closing, sir, in the few minutes we've got left with you, again, we're talking to a famous NFL player, of course, with the Giants, George Martin, who walked across the entire country and raised more than $2 million.

01:38:12.000 Now it's been doubled up to $4 million for first responders of the 9-11 deadly dust.

01:38:18.000 I will share with them a quick story that always had a profound impact on me as I was traveling.

01:38:23.000 We were passed by this van and this grandmother got out of the van with five of her grandchildren.

01:38:27.000 and then they're going to double the care.

01:38:28.000 Yeah, and I will share with them a quick story that always had a profound impact on me as I was traveling.

01:38:35.000 We were passed by this van, and this grandmother got out of the van with five of her grandchildren.

01:38:41.000 Four of them were males, and she lined them up along the road, and she pointed at us as we were walking toward us, and she said, I want my grandchildren to witness a part of history, and I want them to see a real American hero, and I want them to witness the selfless act of giving back to the community.

01:38:58.000 She then reached in her purse, and she was a lady of very meager means. 0.75

01:39:02.000 She contributed ten of the fourteen dollars that she had in her purse.

01:39:06.000 And we were so reluctant to take it, but we realized that she was teaching her grandchildren a very valuable lesson that was worth more than the $10 that she had contributed.

01:39:16.000 So for those individuals within the sound of our listening voice who would like their presence to be known and would like to make a difference in the lives of these heroes, please go to our website, which is ajourneyfor911.info, ajourneyfor911.info, or go to our toll-free number, which is 1-800-889-8038.

01:39:39.000 Absolutely.

01:39:42.000 And again, people think, oh, you can't save the world by giving.

01:39:45.000 When you give to good things like this, it certainly does have an effect, and it also helps you because it softens your heart.

01:39:53.000 What was the route?

01:39:53.000 I mean, I know you've got a map there, but what was the route that you walked across the nation?

01:40:00.000 Well, the thing that we wanted to do, because for the time of year we were leaving in the fall, we wanted to walk south so we could avoid any inclement weather coming for us.

01:40:10.000 So we went as far as we thought was possible.

01:40:13.000 So we started in New York, went through New Jersey, then Pennsylvania, down through D.C., Delaware, and then to Tennessee.

01:40:20.000 We walked across Tennessee.

01:40:22.000 We went across Arkansas into the panhandle of Texas, then New Mexico, on into Arizona, and eventually down into San Diego.

01:40:31.000 We went through 13 states, including the District of Columbia.

01:40:35.000 And that was just a marvelous, marvelous excursion.

01:40:40.000 Our first inclination was safety first, and we did the entire 3,003 miles without any incident whatsoever.

01:40:46.000 What was it like when you finally reached the sea there in San Diego?

01:40:49.000 Well, it was a moment of elation, as you could probably understand.

01:40:54.000 But it was also a period of mixed emotions, because here it is, we had been doing this for nine months.

01:41:00.000 It was something that we absolutely were thrilled about.

01:41:03.000 We did not have one single day where we missed a walking day due to injury or any injury whatsoever.

01:41:11.000 And at the same time, we wanted to resume our regular lives to get back to our families and to get back to our standard of living.

01:41:19.000 And it was just so warm to see how San Diego rolled out the red carpet.

01:41:24.000 All of the local heroes there, the firemen, the police, gave us a grand escort through the city.

01:41:31.000 The mayor issued a mayoral proclamation.

01:41:33.000 It was just an outstanding experience.

01:41:35.000 Someone said it was a once-in-a-lifetime experience, and I told him I begged to differ.

01:41:40.000 I don't think that something like this happens quite that often.

01:41:43.000 Well, I'll say this, sir.

01:41:46.000 It also exposes the fact that they're not getting the treatment they need.

01:41:49.000 Not only does it get them some of the treatment, it exposes the fact that all over the country, with a lot of local newspapers and TV on the way, getting attention, now national attention, it's just an example of good people standing up and getting involved.

01:42:06.000 In closing, how did you come up with the idea to do this and then put it into motion?

01:42:12.000 Well, first, that's a great question, and to begin with, it's a blending of two very distinct passions that I have.

01:42:19.000 First of all, as a country boy growing up in the outbacks of Greenville, South Carolina, I'd always had this wonderlust inherent in me, and I always wondered what was the larger picture of this great America that we lived in.

01:42:31.000 Because my exposure was limited to that little farm that I grew up on.

01:42:35.000 And I always wanted to see this country up close and personal.

01:42:37.000 I'll tell you what, final segment coming up.

01:42:40.000 Sir, stay there.

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01:46:16.000 And he's done a good thing.

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01:46:22.000 As a country boy, as I said, I've always had this inherent desire to do so.

01:46:25.000 But if I ever did it, I wanted to have a cause associated with it.

01:46:28.000 that into action which is important you can you think about things or talk about things all day but he took action i'll finish up your story placer well yes as a country boy as i said i've always had this inherent desire to do so but if i ever did it i wanted to have a cause associated with it and it took me and my my friends a very short time to come up with uh that we think was the most appropriate cause and that's a journey for not

01:46:51.000 And, uh, we are just so delighted to have served as ambassadors for this wonderful cause, and my dad always told me, he said, son, make sure that you leave this world a little bit better than you found it.

01:47:02.000 And I hope that through those, uh, 3,000 miles, I've attempted to do so.

01:47:07.000 Well, I think you've done that, and again, thank you for raising the money, getting a medical care, and drawing attention to the huge cover-up of what's happened that is unraveling.

01:47:15.000 Thanks to people like you, George Martin.

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01:47:19.000 It's my pleasure.

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01:47:22.000 You bet.

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