Alex Jones Show - 20080721_Mon_Alex

00:00:01.000 We have the maker of the preeminent film on the ruling class, who through sleight of hand, fractional reserve banking, owned much of the planet.

00:00:25.000 And now I want what little bits of wealth are left from the American people who are their ancestral enemies. 0.99

00:00:32.000 Pat Carmack is our guest, the maker of the film, and Bill Still, the narrator.

00:00:36.000 It's available at Infowars.com.

00:00:39.000 Recapping for some stations that I know have just joined us or listeners, Pat Carmack, of course, has been a banker.

00:00:44.000 I've been involved in business, been involved in oil, been involved in utilities, found out about the real monetary system decades ago, and is now one of the leading experts on it.

00:00:55.000 And Bill Still, of course, was a newspaper editor, found out about all this when a listener, when a reader sent him some information and he researched it.

00:01:02.000 That started his journey.

00:01:04.000 So many of us started out on our journeys that way.

00:01:07.000 Somebody challenged us with some information.

00:01:09.000 We think it's bull.

00:01:10.000 We look into it and we find out that it's not bull.

00:01:13.000 It's the real world.

00:01:15.000 I know we've got some callers that are off topic and I'm going to get to you regardless, but I know John, George, Kyle and others.

00:01:22.000 Mike and others are for the guests.

00:01:23.000 So let's get some of those calls out of the way, and then we're going to get into whatever issues our guests want to discuss on Monetary System, what we're facing, how it works, and their solution, which I think is the best I've seen out there bar none.

00:01:36.000 And you know I don't just toot people's horns unless I really believe it.

00:01:40.000 And it looked good to me 12 years ago, 13 years ago when I first saw it.

00:01:45.000 Now that I know so much more and have interviewed so many experts, it seems like the only way out.

00:01:51.000 Now because the bankers are going to bankrupt us and then always offer another solution that gets you deeper into their control.

00:01:58.000 That's why we have to identify them.

00:02:00.000 That's why we have to fight them.

00:02:01.000 You can't just ignore this.

00:02:03.000 This affects you whether you mow lawns for a living or you're a rocket scientist.

00:02:07.000 Let's go ahead and talk to John in Ohio.

00:02:10.000 You're on the guest with the folks from the Money Masters.

00:02:14.000 Yes, this comment is related but it also branches off into your previous guest.

00:02:20.000 I think it would be interesting to have Webster Tarpley on, because I think he offers a genuinely populist, genuine leftist point of view.

00:02:29.000 He's on next week.

00:02:30.000 Well, that's great, because I think he has more than just calls for austerity, cutbacks on The social spending, which, you know, the safety net programs, and this kind of... Well, the bankers only offered that to get us under their control and domesticate us.

00:02:49.000 Now they're taking it away from the hogs because it's time for slaughter. 1.00

00:02:52.000 Right, but I'm saying under these conditions, austerity and cutback would be the hard landing that we all want to avoid.

00:02:59.000 And I also wanted to point out that I believe that as we head into this mad war that these neocons want to Bring us into, I think people like Jerome Corsi are really two-faced ponies because I've heard him recently and over the years constantly pushing all of the kind of ultra neocon scaremongering about terrorism that got us into the war in Iraq and just about a month ago on coast to coast.

00:03:24.000 He jointly with the host was talking about Iran possibly giving terrorist nuclear bombs to plant here And he's organizing some of these people that he calls freedom fighters that you obviously show are nothing but CIA-run terrorists, Al-Qaeda-type terrorists.

00:03:45.000 This man is connected, I'm absolutely certain.

00:03:50.000 Well, I mean, we bring on serious guests and we just want to get his info on Obama.

00:03:59.000 We're obviously going to be exposing McCain.

00:04:00.000 It really makes no difference and I appreciate your call, John.

00:04:03.000 What about what he just brought up, Pat and Bill, the first part of his comment about I mean, I guess that brings us to your solutions.

00:04:14.000 What the bankers are offering, where does that lead us versus what you're saying?

00:04:19.000 Well, actually, they don't offer a solution.

00:04:21.000 It's just more of the same.

00:04:23.000 What we've got right now is, you know, our deficit's running over 400 billion a year.

00:04:27.000 That's roughly the amount we pay on interest to the national debt.

00:04:32.000 And so this gentleman was talking about a soft landing.

00:04:35.000 And so on, versus austerity and everybody cutting back and so forth.

00:04:39.000 Well, the problem is we're paying $400 billion a year to the bankers, and what we have to do is to reform the system so we no longer do that.

00:04:47.000 Put very simply, we simply need to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and rather than borrowing the money the government needs to spend, the government needs to create it itself.

00:04:59.000 The principal objection to that is it would cause hyperinflation.

00:05:04.000 That's certainly true.

00:05:05.000 So another law has to pass at the same time that raises the reserve requirements in banks from 10% to 100% at the same time period that we're paying off the national debt.

00:05:17.000 And by the way, people love to say, you mean our government issues the money?

00:05:20.000 That's how it's supposed to work.

00:05:22.000 Instead of having private banks essentially be the government, now with their new fake carbon tax credit, the central banks want us to buy our carbon credits from them, literally taxing breathing.

00:05:33.000 Right.

00:05:34.000 Well, if I could quote Lincoln on that, quote, the government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers.

00:05:46.000 The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of government, but it is the government's greatest creative opportunity, close quote, Abraham Lincoln.

00:05:58.000 Yeah, but they've taken that engine of creativity and empowering people and turned it into an agent of feudalism and criminal consolidation of wealth.

00:06:07.000 Go ahead, Pat.

00:06:08.000 Well, precisely, because rather than the U.S.

00:06:10.000 government having that power, which is appropriate to the sovereign power, they've, by the Federal Reserve Act, they've got Congress to delegate it to private banks.

00:06:19.000 It's the very banks we were talking about, the ones that own the Federal Reserve.

00:06:23.000 So those banks make our money.

00:06:25.000 They create it.

00:06:26.000 And so wealth's being transferred to them at an extremely rapid rate.

00:06:30.000 And to solve this economic problem we have, we simply have to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, or so reform it, that that power is restored to the government.

00:06:40.000 And that can be done.

00:06:42.000 It does not result in any economic hardship.

00:06:47.000 In fact, to the contrary, rather than having a recession or a depression, Absolutely.

00:07:04.000 Anything else on that subject, Bill?

00:07:07.000 Well, I can give a Jefferson quote.

00:07:10.000 I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution taking from the federal government the power of borrowing.

00:07:19.000 Absolutely.

00:07:20.000 Let's take another monetary comment or question.

00:07:24.000 Let's talk to Mike in Louisiana, then Kyle.

00:07:27.000 Mike, you're on the air.

00:07:28.000 Hello, guys.

00:07:31.000 I apologize that this question is not particularly monetary.

00:07:37.000 It doesn't matter.

00:07:37.000 Just go ahead.

00:07:39.000 When the people try to stand up against this tyranny, I heard last week a caller call in about a website, awrm.org, I believe it was.

00:07:58.000 I don't have a computer, but my understanding was that there is in place legislation or some kind of whatever to go after the citizen militias and bring them before tribunals.

00:08:19.000 And such is that.

00:08:22.000 Can you speak to that?

00:08:24.000 Well, one of the things that's happened good lately is, of course, you're probably familiar with the Supreme Court ruling with respect to owning firearms at home.

00:08:34.000 Are you familiar with that that just happened?

00:08:37.000 Yes.

00:08:37.000 Holding the Second Amendment?

00:08:39.000 Yes.

00:08:39.000 That also, after Katrina, I think they passed legislation here in Louisiana that they couldn't confiscate firearms.

00:08:49.000 firearms during a national emergency.

00:08:52.000 My question particularly is, last week somebody called in, and I think he said it was active duty or something.

00:09:01.000 Well sir, we just covered a bill earlier about the Homegrown Extremist Act where they want to monitor and try to restrict free speech, but the government is a pack of criminals.

00:09:11.000 They're illegitimate and so no, I'm not aware of that, so I appreciate your call.

00:09:17.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Kyle in Iowa.

00:09:20.000 You're on the air.

00:09:22.000 Hi.

00:09:24.000 I wanted to make an observation, if I could, about hyperinflation and what that could mean for gold.

00:09:31.000 Just tell me if I'm wrong, if I am.

00:09:33.000 I've been studying hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic and Hungary and so forth, when prices were doubling literally overnight.

00:09:43.000 In a situation where you're already currently holding gold, If your debt isn't dollars, and say the dollar is devalued to like a millionth of its original value, or whatever, couldn't you then in turn, assuming you're able to hold on long enough, actually pay your debt off?

00:10:02.000 Or, you know, pennies on the dollar.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, don't get confused.

00:10:04.000 They're against a gold or silver-backed currency because then it can be manipulated because the bad guys hold the majority of it.

00:10:12.000 I don't think our guest, and we'll hear it from him in a minute, I wouldn't imagine, because I agree with him on other issues, they seem very intelligent and informed.

00:10:19.000 We're not saying gold and silver is a bad investment or a bad hedge against inflation.

00:10:25.000 Right, I wasn't going there either.

00:10:26.000 Okay, good.

00:10:27.000 So what is your question?

00:10:28.000 Well, the point is, I guess I just want to get my interpretation of this correct.

00:10:34.000 Is that a possibility where, say, I bought gold at $6.50 an ounce, which I did.

00:10:42.000 Say, if we do get into a situation like that, because the most I've heard you guys say is like $5,000 an ounce for gold.

00:10:49.000 Well, that's Bloomberg.

00:10:50.000 Bloomberg was saying that.

00:10:53.000 I couldn't imagine it going to that.

00:10:54.000 If that happens, it means they're going to devalue the dollar to nothing.

00:10:57.000 But $2,000 is very easy.

00:11:00.000 Right, but I'm saying, in a situation where we do have hyperinflation, even on the scale of what the Weimar Republic had to where, you know, there were 12 marks to the dollar in 1918 to 1923, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that 4.2 trillion marks to the dollar?

00:11:16.000 Well, I know this, Zimbabwe right now has 2 million percent inflation per year.

00:11:21.000 Let me get a comment from Bill or Pat on that, both of you.

00:11:24.000 Well, I mean, the caller is correct.

00:11:26.000 If you're in debt, and you have hyperinflation, and you have some assets in other forms, like gold, silver, land, or some kind of commodity that's desirable, then absolutely you're a beneficiary of hyperinflation, at least in the short term, because you can sell those assets and pay off your debt for, in effect, pennies on the dollar.

00:11:45.000 In fact, one of the motives, and one of the reasons that inflation is not purely a bad thing, It's because the United States is a heavy debtor nation right now.

00:11:56.000 So as the dollar devalues because we print more and more of it up...

00:12:00.000 You know, we're in effect paying off foreign creditors for a lesser amount, so there is a silver lining to it in a sense.

00:12:08.000 But our balance of trade isn't good, so it's going to be a worldwide wrecking ball to economies.

00:12:14.000 That's right.

00:12:15.000 Well, China's not going to put up with this much longer.

00:12:20.000 Somebody is going to cut the dollar loose, and then they're all going to fall within a matter of months.

00:12:24.000 It's already starting to happen.

00:12:28.000 And I think both Pat and I agree with the caller that, yeah, commodities, gold and silver, are a great investment.

00:12:36.000 It's just a horrible thing to base a monetary system on.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, well I agree with you, and people get confused by that.

00:12:41.000 I got emails when you were on a few weeks ago going, I thought you said gold's good!

00:12:45.000 Yes, we're saying gold's good.

00:12:46.000 We're saying, though, it is too easy to manipulate as the currency, or having something based on that as the currency, because the elite know it's valuable.

00:12:57.000 They've been hoarding the daylights out of it.

00:12:59.000 You know, there's this interesting editorial in the London Times right after Lincoln instituted greenback dollars, which of course was a totally fiat currency, but since he couldn't borrow money to pursue the Civil War, he had to essentially use the old-fashioned way that the colonial America did.

00:13:18.000 That's just print fiat currency, and it worked great.

00:13:21.000 But the bankers didn't like it.

00:13:23.000 This was their editorial in the London Times shortly thereafter.

00:13:26.000 If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then the government will furnish its own money without cost.

00:13:37.000 It will pay off debts and be without debt.

00:13:39.000 It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce.

00:13:42.000 It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world.

00:13:46.000 The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America.

00:13:50.000 That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.

00:13:54.000 Yeah, that's a famous quote.

00:13:55.000 I mean, they cannot allow you to be free, ladies and gentlemen, or our nation to be free.

00:14:03.000 You're absolutely right, Bill.

00:14:05.000 In fact, I've got an article here.

00:14:07.000 The global economy is at the point of maximum danger.

00:14:09.000 London Telegraph today.

00:14:11.000 They say it feels like the summer of 1931.

00:14:13.000 The world's two biggest financial institutions have had a heart attack.

00:14:16.000 The global currency system is breaking down.

00:14:18.000 The policy doctrines I don't see it as a soft landing.

00:14:21.000 into this mess are bankrupt no world leader seems to be able to discern the problem let alone forge a solution i mean when the mainstream media knew we were in this crisis a year ago two years ago they've just been forestalling the inevitable and i heard one of you earlier kind of imply that well they'll just give us a soft landing by doing this i don't see it as a soft landing i mean i know that they see that as their job to try to soften the blow as much as possible there is not going to be a soft landing make no mistake we are going down a rat hole

00:14:51.000 world economic whirlwind that cannot be stopped the only thing that could stop it is uh the monetary reform act is is merely uh starting is having congress issue the money and uh bringing uh the fraction reserve system up to zero in in 200 percent reserve but the elite won't the elite won't allow that because that would get rid of their power right they'll fight it tooth and nail i'd They will fight it.

00:15:17.000 All you have to do is read what happened during the time of Jackson.

00:15:20.000 How they deliberately crashed the American economy just to try to bring the political pressure on the President.

00:15:26.000 The President held firm and he beat them.

00:15:29.000 In fact, they even tried to get the South to revolt that first time.

00:15:33.000 But luckily he was a Southerner so he could threaten them and explain to them how they were being conned.

00:15:38.000 But they were not as savvy in the South a few decades later.

00:15:44.000 Well, that's correct.

00:15:46.000 And of course, the division of the United States was an absolute necessity because the country was getting too rich.

00:15:56.000 Yeah, Britain didn't like that.

00:15:58.000 Pat, can you elaborate on the best case scenario, if we had good people at the helm, what they would do now to extricate ourselves from this certain financial doom?

00:16:11.000 Well, again, the way the system's set up at the moment, under the Federal Reserve Act and so forth, there's no way out.

00:16:18.000 There'd have to be monetary reform legislation.

00:16:23.000 And, you know, the essence of it would have to be that the government creates the money rather than private banks.

00:16:30.000 So you're talking about, it's just unavoidable, as Bill mentioned, you'd have to reform the Federal Reserve Act and take this power back under the aegis of the government.

00:16:40.000 Otherwise, you know, ultimately, I mean, what we're doing is what American individuals have done privately.

00:16:45.000 They've maxed out their credit cards.

00:16:47.000 And, you know, the American government, by borrowing so much money in the midst of maintaining a war and so on, has simply run us so far into debt and borrowed so much money that, you know, the dollars collapsed.

00:17:01.000 So they would have to reverse those policies.

00:17:04.000 And at the present time, I have not heard A single government representative proposed anything that would cure the present problem.

00:17:12.000 That's not on the table anywhere.

00:17:15.000 So it shows like this that have to educate the American people to generate at least, you know, the kind of demand I mentioned that did arise in the 30s.

00:17:24.000 After all, when people get poorer and poorer, they, you know, they want to understand why and then begin educating themselves about it.

00:17:31.000 And then they, when they understand what's going on, then they want the right remedies.

00:17:35.000 So we've got to make sure that the remedy is available for them as this implodes.

00:17:41.000 And not a false banker's remedy, because they will propose a number of them.

00:17:46.000 May I have everybody's attention, please?

00:17:48.000 I've come with a message of information.

00:17:50.000 9-11 was an inside job.

00:17:52.000 Do you like being a puppet, sir?

00:17:54.000 Do you like being a puppet for the New World Order?

00:17:56.000 How do the American people know that 9-11 was a state, it wasn't engineered by you?

00:18:00.000 Alright, let me, uh, John... ...educating themselves about it, and then they, when they understand what's going on, then they want the right remedies.

00:18:08.000 So we've got to make sure that the remedy is available for them as this implodes.

00:18:14.000 And not a false banker's remedy, because they will propose a number of them.

00:18:18.000 May I have everybody's attention, please?

00:18:20.000 I've come with a message of information.

00:18:22.000 9-11 was an inside job.

00:18:25.000 Do you like being a puppet, sir?

00:18:26.000 Do you like being a puppet for the New World Order?

00:18:28.000 How do the American people know that 9-11 was a stage?

00:18:31.000 was engineered by you, David Rockefeller, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR.

00:18:35.000 The day that we stop asking questions is the day that we have allowed the seeds of desperatism to grow at our own door.

00:18:44.000 Seven years after the attacks of September 11th, a global awakening has taken place.

00:18:49.000 I'm coming!

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00:18:53.000 How dare you?

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00:21:37.000 It's the Money Masters.

00:21:38.000 Three plus hours on one DVD.

00:21:41.000 It is the preeminent film on the private Federal Reserve.

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00:22:11.000 Infowars.com or by calling toll free 888-253-3139.

00:22:16.000 And it has the Monetary Reform Act at the end of the film.

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00:22:50.000 Last time, I don't think we even took calls.

00:22:52.000 This time we're taking calls first, then later in the next hour we're getting into all the issues they want to cover and other facets of history and ways to protect yourselves and their take on things.

00:23:01.000 Let's go to Stephen, Ohio.

00:23:03.000 You're on the air with Pat Carmack and Bill Still.

00:23:05.000 Hey, how's it going, Alex?

00:23:05.000 Go ahead.

00:23:07.000 Hey, with this carbon tax, does it sound to you like the superpowers are trying to control industrial growth of third world countries?

00:23:16.000 Maybe kill the competition, so to speak?

00:23:18.000 Not just that, it's us first. 0.77

00:23:19.000 Shut down the middle class. 0.75

00:23:20.000 They state it.

00:23:21.000 So your common sense is what... Manufacturing and industrial jobs are gone in this country, no doubt about it.

00:23:26.000 Well, they want that last 20% gone.

00:23:28.000 This is predatory, monopoly, crony capitalism that we are discussing.

00:23:35.000 Let me get a comment from Pat and Bill on that.

00:23:38.000 Oh yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:23:39.000 This whole Kyoto Carbon Tax thing is aimed at a dagger square at the heart of America. 0.69

00:23:45.000 That's what it's all about.

00:23:47.000 Okay, thanks a lot guys.

00:23:48.000 Appreciate it.

00:23:49.000 Alright, thank you.

00:23:49.000 I mean, they state it.

00:23:50.000 It's not like... I want new listeners to understand something.

00:23:54.000 They've declared their hatred and their enmity and their wanton destruction of us, just like earlier Bill read that quote.

00:24:01.000 Bill, read that quote again where they said we've got to destroy the free market system of the U.S.

00:24:06.000 We've got to destroy their own government issuing the currency.

00:24:10.000 If this is allowed to happen, it's all over.

00:24:12.000 Sure.

00:24:13.000 This was an editorial in the London Times.

00:24:16.000 It was right after Lincoln instituted greenback money, which is basically government-issued money, just like we propose.

00:24:22.000 This is what it said, quote, if this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated, which means perpetuated down to a fixture, then the government will furnish its own money, oh gosh, without cost.

00:24:37.000 It will pay off debts and be without debt.

00:24:40.000 Oh my goodness!

00:24:41.000 It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce.

00:24:44.000 It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world.

00:24:49.000 The brains, the wealth of all countries will go to North America.

00:24:52.000 That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.

00:24:59.000 So they financed the war between the states.

00:25:01.000 They tried it in the 1830s and failed, but got what they wanted just 25 years later.

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00:27:05.000 Imagine my frustration over the years, knowing who the New World Order is, knowing their fraud, how they got control of the world by buying off politicians and having them tell the public that their Federal Reserve, their Bank of England was the government when it wasn't.

00:27:18.000 Oh, my God.

00:27:20.000 To know they're behind the social engineering, the stage wars, the stage terror, they're behind it all, their think tanks brag about it.

00:27:27.000 They're behind the cancer industry.

00:27:30.000 They're behind all the scams, everything. 1.00

00:27:32.000 They're just a pack of hardcore, ruthless, bloody terrorists who are psychopaths. 0.99

00:27:39.000 See, most psychopaths aren't like John Wayne Gacy dressing up like a clown or Ted Bundy running out in a yellow Volkswagen. 0.99

00:27:46.000 They go and they want to wear uniforms, go study criminology.

00:27:49.000 They want to get power.

00:27:51.000 They want to become bankers.

00:27:52.000 They want to become senators.

00:27:53.000 They want to become generals. 0.92

00:27:55.000 Where they can, these are controlled, disciplined psychopaths, and it's just a wonderland. 0.71

00:28:01.000 And then they've dumbed the public down, the public's running around drooling, literally, having no idea what's going on.

00:28:06.000 If we are unable to warn the people about what's happening, they're going to do their purges here.

00:28:13.000 You know, we've got this light at the end of the tunnel that our guests are offering us, and it's a great solution.

00:28:18.000 Monetary Reform Act they're proposing, and is well-researched and reasoned, and will work historically in the context of our current problems we face, current challenges.

00:28:29.000 Or you've got the other side of the tunnel that is a freight train going to roll over you, going 100 miles an hour, and where they bring in a police state to protect their criminal consolidation.

00:28:41.000 Most countries are enslaved.

00:28:42.000 Most countries turn into despotisms.

00:28:45.000 The elites would rather have a giant mass of third world slaves than have a free market good system that's based on just weights and measures. 0.99

00:28:55.000 We're going to continue with Todd, Rick, Bronco, and others, but let's start getting into any areas that we've mentioned, because I've talked to you all, Fair Pat, and some you, Bill, areas that both of you think are important.

00:29:08.000 I mean, you talked about individual things families can do now to protect themselves, Pat.

00:29:14.000 What do you have to say, Bill?

00:29:16.000 Not just your Monetary Reform Act, but how do we help individuals now with what we're facing?

00:29:24.000 Well, to me, you've got to draw a sharp distinction between the fake solutions that are out there and the precise solution that we have developed.

00:29:37.000 We don't speak in generalities.

00:29:39.000 We know precisely what to do.

00:29:41.000 This can be instituted even in a matter of weeks.

00:29:44.000 We say the transition period would take a year, but that's just not to alarm people.

00:29:50.000 In fact, you could institute it very, very quickly and put the country instantly on a firm financial footing and put a stop to all this stuff.

00:29:59.000 You know, I just want to read one more Lincoln quote.

00:30:02.000 About five months from the end of his life, when he saw how the bankers were attempting to destroy his attempts at government-issued money, he put it this way, I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country.

00:30:19.000 Corporations have been enthroned.

00:30:21.000 An era of corruption in high places will follow.

00:30:24.000 The money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands.

00:30:33.000 And the Republic is destroyed.

00:30:36.000 Because, after all, isn't that the essence of our political experiment here in America?

00:30:42.000 It's the essence of the Constitution, and yet it's never mentioned in the Constitution.

00:30:46.000 It's the separation of powers concept.

00:30:49.000 What is that?

00:30:50.000 That spreads power, both political and financial, out very broadly among a bunch of people.

00:30:57.000 That makes the government of this country very unwieldy, very slow.

00:31:01.000 But that's a good thing!

00:31:03.000 It's also very, very safe.

00:31:05.000 That's what democratizing is all about.

00:31:08.000 And that's what's being destroyed by money being aggregated into a few hands.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, you want that separation of power.

00:31:17.000 Sorry, go ahead, Pat.

00:31:19.000 Well, I think Bill's really gotten to the essence of this.

00:31:22.000 The separation of powers was to do precisely that.

00:31:25.000 Because, you know, we know Lord Acton's quote that all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

00:31:31.000 And so, you know, the founding fathers of the United States being quite well aware of that and having witnessed the negative effects of the concentration of power in England through the Bank of England, which they were well aware of, that was the vehicle for it.

00:31:45.000 They divided these powers, you know, there were senators and congressmen and three branches of government and they split it all up so that it couldn't be aggregated.

00:31:54.000 That was to bind the hands of the avarice that was in the average man.

00:31:57.000 They understood that to actually use the corruption and wickedness fighting with each other to make the object where the elites would always be fighting with each other and it would take so much time to get control that people would die off and so it was kind of a stopgap.

00:32:14.000 That's exactly correct, but they didn't fully understand money.

00:32:19.000 They simply didn't understand monetary theory well.

00:32:22.000 So there's some fatal flaws that weren't addressed as well as they could have been in the Constitution.

00:32:30.000 And that weak point is precisely where the bankers have focused.

00:32:34.000 They originally used Alexander Hamilton, who was their agent in the United States.

00:32:40.000 He was from Jamaica originally.

00:32:41.000 A lot of people don't know that.

00:32:43.000 And back then, you know, we mentioned less than five of these struggles against these national banks, these central banks in the United States.

00:32:53.000 Going back early in our history, and the most recent one, of course, being against this cartel of banks called the Federal Reserve System, which basically united the major banks into a cabal to control the economic power of the country.

00:33:09.000 But that's the way they got around this separation of powers.

00:33:17.000 Bill?

00:33:19.000 Yes?

00:33:22.000 Sure, comments on what Pat was just saying.

00:33:26.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:33:29.000 I would just urge that people beware as the political will amongst the populace begins to arise sufficiently so that politicians know that something radical must be done.

00:33:45.000 There are already solutions that they, I'm sure, have as contingency plans that are waiting in the wings that they're going to roll out.

00:33:55.000 I believe one of those is a return to a gold-backed money, and that's a false solution.

00:34:01.000 Those people who propose a return to a gold-backed money typically speak in generalities, do not speak in specifics.

00:34:09.000 Because there really is nothing specific that you can do.

00:34:13.000 Gold-backed money failed during the Great Depression.

00:34:16.000 We were on gold-backed money then.

00:34:18.000 That's not the problem.

00:34:20.000 The problem is we have to democratize money as much as possible, which means it can only be issued by the federal elected officials closest to the population.

00:34:32.000 Yes, they're rascals.

00:34:34.000 Yes, they'll print too much money.

00:34:36.000 But, if that is the primary, the primary political issue every single year, how much money have you printed, then we can... Yes, yes, yes.

00:34:46.000 We have to be in control of it or somebody else will.

00:34:48.000 Hold on, we're going to come back to the full audience right now.

00:34:50.000 now.

00:34:50.000 Here we go.

00:34:52.000 Okay, ladies and gentlemen.

00:35:02.000 - Come on.

00:35:03.000 We are continuing our discussion with the makers of the Money Masters film.

00:35:11.000 Pat Carmack and Bill Still.

00:35:14.000 Your phone calls are coming up here in just a few minutes.

00:35:18.000 I want to debate some of the different systems of monetary reform.

00:35:22.000 Now, the public tends to think that monetary reform, that the word reform itself is good in and of itself, not that reform just simply means to change the form of.

00:35:37.000 And if you jump off a cliff and bash into a bunch of pieces at the bottom, that is a reform.

00:35:43.000 Is that a good reform?

00:35:44.000 The reform that I believe is going to be rammed through, because they've said it's the one they're planning, is a remonetize the dollar under a North American larger system, tying it into the euro, and then a world central banking regulatory expansion of power.

00:36:02.000 They're now saying this, as we said years ago they would, it's my prediction, not hard to predict, that they would say, we've had these problems with bad lenders, give the central banks, the big banks,

00:36:12.000 The power to go shut down smaller banks and control other groups and different types of lending organizations and we'll fix all the predatory lending and they run lots of PR pieces bashing little money cashing places and you know smaller loan sharks but never talking about themselves and that they're going to have a worldwide system

00:36:34.000 Where it's a basket of different scams they run, but where they don't even have a world currency at first, they just set in regions what they say that currency is worth, and then they inflate or deflate, but it will always be inflate.

00:36:51.000 uh... at their leisure for whatever helps them squeeze the domestic population but also to set the foundations of a global tax uh... and a global regulatory system while they have the regional blocks they're gonna make you and they said this by carbon credits on what you exhale even the new york times said a tax on breathing was the headline a year ago and they're gonna tax you there your car your home new environmental enforcers a new environmental guild uh... to carry all this out so i see that

00:37:21.000 As the system they're going to push.

00:37:23.000 Now, it is true that Ron Paul, who I agree with on 98% of things, you know, he has the kind of the Austrian school and believes in gold and silver because you can't manipulate it.

00:37:33.000 And he says, well, it'll always be manipulated if you don't.

00:37:36.000 The problem is, as our guests say, they, the globalists, own most of the gold and silver so they can manipulate that too.

00:37:42.000 I agree with the power of a fiat currency, but an educated public about it, transparent government, Getting money out of the equation where it's just an agreed-upon mode of exchange to accelerate true commerce and business and free market, instead of always allowing whoever it is to manipulate and control the fiat currency in private hands.

00:38:03.000 So if you want to talk about Ron Paul's views and disagree with those, that's fine, or add to it.

00:38:08.000 I just think that we tend to get in a fight, you know, monetary Researchers and reformers arguing about the gold system.

00:38:17.000 I disagree with you.

00:38:20.000 I'm thinking, Bill, that it's going to be a gold-silver system that's pushed.

00:38:26.000 We're going to find out real soon.

00:38:28.000 We have seen them announce it is going to be the regional system pegged and controlled by a new global regulatory authority with the private banks, not just controlling government and issuing currency and credit and liquidity, but now becoming world government and then, as I said, phasing in the global tax through the carbon tax and also carbon credit and trading.

00:38:50.000 I want to get your comment on that, Bill, and then Pat.

00:38:52.000 Point out that they have to disguise it so that it doesn't sound like a world currency.

00:38:58.000 Americans will revolt at that. 0.81

00:39:04.000 Nations in general, especially in America, they will have to disguise this tremendously. 0.90

00:39:10.000 That's why I think ultimately this will fail and they'll have to go to some sort of gold I mean, we're really debating what the basis of the monetary system is not nearly as important as other basic reforms, and I'd like Pat to speak to that.

00:39:26.000 He's the expert.

00:39:28.000 Well, I don't know that I'm the expert, but it's certainly true that the nature of the reserve, whether it's gold or silver or some other commodity or fiat, that doesn't matter nearly as much as who Gets to create the money that that base is used for as a base.

00:39:47.000 So if 90% of the money is created by private banks, and it's a fiat currency, that's no worse or no better than if they create 90% of the money if the base is gold.

00:39:59.000 So a lot of people who want to put in a gold or silver or some other commodity as a monetary base don't understand that that's only a small part of the problem.

00:40:12.000 It certainly is true.

00:40:13.000 I don't want to be totally against gold and silver in every respect, because as you mentioned earlier, Alex, private ownership's a good thing, because your U.S.

00:40:22.000 dollars you're holding in your savings account are worth less every day.

00:40:25.000 So on a private basis, it's a good form to have some diversification into gold, silver, and even other commodities, for that matter.

00:40:33.000 But the fundamental reform that has to happen is fractional reserve banking has to be abolished.

00:40:38.000 And all that really means is private creation of money has to be abolished.

00:40:42.000 And another example of that isn't just fractional reserve banking, it's banks or even credit card companies selling as securities bundles of credit card debt.

00:40:53.000 I mean, that's another form where it's not just classical banks doing it now, it's just all sorts of groups running around doing it, correct?

00:41:01.000 Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

00:41:02.000 There's new forms of money.

00:41:04.000 You know, credit card debt has expanded the money supply outside of the control system of the, you know, fractional reserve banking.

00:41:11.000 So, it's just another scam.

00:41:14.000 Private banks have created that money.

00:41:16.000 They created it as debt.

00:41:17.000 They let you incrementally add to your credit card debt, and they simply create that.

00:41:22.000 You know, the government is involved in any way, so that should be abolished as well.

00:41:27.000 Ultimately, money must be created by the people.

00:41:30.000 Through their representatives and not by these private bankers who are concentrating all wealth in their hands.

00:41:37.000 You know, I mentioned last time the UN has estimated repeatedly each year how many people own as much as the poorest half of the world, so roughly 3 billion people.

00:41:46.000 The number's gone from roughly 350 people a decade ago to around 200 people now own as much as 3 billion, the 3 billion poorest.

00:41:56.000 That has to be stopped and the vehicle that's causing that is Private creation of money.

00:42:02.000 Well, I agree with you, but earlier you were talking about how you have this cabal or you have this combine.

00:42:14.000 What was the particular term you used for the private group of banks that are the Federal Reserve?

00:42:18.000 Well, it's a cartel or a cabal.

00:42:20.000 Cartel, cartel.

00:42:22.000 And this really is a cartel. 0.88

00:42:24.000 And imagine how dumb the elite think the general public is that in college and in school and in life, still, If you say the Federal Reserve is private and is a cartel, when they describe themselves as a cartel when it's founding, that you're told it doesn't exist and Rush Limbaugh says it doesn't exist.

00:42:45.000 Now, the good news is most people now know that was a lie and a fraud, but that's how masterful these people are, is that we've now had a 98-year debate about whether it's private or not. 0.89

00:42:59.000 When it was always private, instead of, do we want private banks controlling the issuance of currency and credit, which then allows them to buy up the whole economy?

00:43:08.000 I mean, this is like saying, can Alex Jones call himself Federal Reserve Bank of Austin, Texas, and then I'm the only one you can get money from?

00:43:15.000 I mean, I would obviously take over the town in a matter of years, and they have.

00:43:21.000 You know, so many listeners email me and say, why does this even matter?

00:43:23.000 Folks, this is carnival show charlatans that have done all of this.

00:43:29.000 Comment on that, Pat.

00:43:31.000 Well, yeah, it's the Wizard of Oz. 0.99

00:43:33.000 You throw back the curtain and you see, you know, the reality is there's this rather weak, ignorant man who's really manipulating the whole system with smoke and mirrors. 0.98

00:43:43.000 And that's what we've got. 0.98

00:43:44.000 The Federal Reserve sits on the mall in Washington.

00:43:47.000 Along with all the government buildings, everybody assumes, well, this is another government agency, and it's not.

00:43:53.000 You know, it's privately owned, and it operates to maintain, preserve, protect this cartel, not the American economy.

00:44:02.000 You want evidence?

00:44:03.000 Read the paper about what's happening in the American economy.

00:44:06.000 How many of your listeners are working 20% less than they did, say, 10 years ago?

00:44:12.000 Or 30% less?

00:44:14.000 How many of them are less productive, and so on?

00:44:16.000 In other words, we're all working harder, we're producing more and more, yet we're poor.

00:44:21.000 The average American is poorer than 20 years ago, despite all of our great natural resources and so on.

00:44:27.000 We have not had natural disasters that account for the economic situation we find ourselves in now, or this gradual erosion of the middle class.

00:44:37.000 We're becoming like the Mexicans, where they have triple the resources the U.S. 1.00

00:44:41.000 has, but are totally poor. 0.98

00:44:43.000 We are getting a dirtbag elite.

00:44:46.000 If I could break in, what is the most outrageous single point that people could take away here is that 99% of the population does not realize that when you go to your bank and you take out a loan Which is 90% of the money in circulation in the United States.

00:45:04.000 That money was created out of nothing.

00:45:06.000 They have the monopoly power to just create it out of nothing and then have the gall to charge us interest on it.

00:45:13.000 That's what the system is.

00:45:15.000 That's why they're getting rich.

00:45:16.000 That's why we're getting poor.

00:45:19.000 We may loan it to our government.

00:45:21.000 The government gives them the right to print it.

00:45:24.000 Uh, or created electronic keyboards, and then they loan it to the government at interest.

00:45:28.000 And the government's paying over $400 billion in interest.

00:45:30.000 Well, obviously, that ought to be stopped.

00:45:33.000 And, uh, it's by the policy of obfuscation of this fact that the public's kept ignorant of it.

00:45:38.000 How did they do that?

00:45:39.000 They used part of that money to buy the media.

00:45:42.000 If you look up the ownership of the major media in this country, since the 1920s, it's been owned predominantly by banks.

00:45:48.000 It's almost exclusive now.

00:45:49.000 So the only place you can get the truth about this matter It shows like this one on the internet and so forth, but most people take all their information from either the And now we're kicking the butt of the mainstream media, so the feds are coming out and saying we're going to end net neutrality and basically shut down the old web, and you're not going to have websites, you'll have a few thousand establishment sites that you can visit.

00:46:14.000 You know, they've now announced that.

00:46:17.000 God help us, man.

00:46:18.000 We've got a break here, you can take a few minutes off, and we're going to come back and talk more about this, and take calls at 1-800-259-9231.

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00:46:28.000 It's just so amazing.

00:46:32.000 The police are out writing tickets because they think they're broke.

00:46:35.000 The government's broke.

00:46:35.000 It's not broke.

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00:50:50.000 And its keepers seemed generous and kind.

00:50:54.000 Its leaders were supposed to serve the country.

00:50:58.000 But now they won't pay no mind.

00:51:03.000 Because the people broke fat and got lazy.

00:51:07.000 And now their vote is a meaningless joke.

00:51:11.000 I wanted to point out that they give the states unfunded mandates. - Shh.

00:51:22.000 Say the feds will fund it for one, two, three years, four years sometimes.

00:51:26.000 And then after the laws that they get the states to pass with federal lobbyists down here, Say that the states then have to fund it.

00:51:35.000 And so, you know, they triple, quadruple the number of police, and they're going to go out and write you tickets.

00:51:40.000 You go one mile over the speed limit, they're going to do it.

00:51:42.000 Neighbors see you yell at your child, they're going to CPS your child.

00:51:46.000 I mean, it's all a predatory state.

00:51:49.000 In the international banks, you wonder how it could be in Germany, or Australia, or Russia, or England, or Canada.

00:51:56.000 It's all the same laws, same names.

00:51:59.000 It's global.

00:52:00.000 And when you read the Federal Reserve Information, the Club of Rome Info, the Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, it's all, this is for the administrative convenience of the international banks.

00:52:11.000 That's their words.

00:52:13.000 And so, you wonder why your school's a police station?

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00:52:18.000 They're getting their property in line.

00:52:21.000 This is a plantation. 0.98

00:52:24.000 And you are a slave. 0.97

00:52:25.000 Now, it's all done by fraud.

00:52:27.000 They just made it up out of nothing.

00:52:29.000 But this is life and death info.

00:52:32.000 You know, I can't stress Pat Carmack and Bill Still how this affects people's everyday life.

00:52:38.000 I mean, the point you were making, Bill, about how the banks just make it up out of nothing.

00:52:43.000 It's all fraud, and they don't want you to pay it back.

00:52:46.000 That's where they get real assets, and people don't understand that.

00:52:50.000 Can you explain that to them?

00:52:53.000 99% of the population, I'm telling you right now, does not realize when they go to the bank and take out a loan where that money comes from.

00:53:00.000 They just made it up.

00:53:02.000 They have the right to just make the money up and loan it to us at interest.

00:53:07.000 And that's why they want a worldwide cashless society because then they're going to outlaw barter and other forms so that they can really reduce money supplies and really rape us. 0.90

00:53:18.000 Go ahead.

00:53:19.000 Well, I've got a 1933 Franklin Roosevelt quote.

00:53:23.000 This was a letter to a confidant.

00:53:25.000 He wrote it this way.

00:53:26.000 He said, the real truth of this matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.

00:53:35.000 So that goes to Pat's point about ten minutes ago.

00:53:41.000 Yeah, one of the points Milton Friedman made about Why is it that we should advocate, and Alex, you pointed out, well, if the control of the bankers is so great, why discuss these reform measures and all?

00:53:54.000 Well, Friedman offered two reasons.

00:53:55.000 One of them is, he said, it's worth discussing radical changes or reform, not in the expectation that they will be adopted promptly, but for two other reasons.

00:54:05.000 One is to construct an ideal goal so that incremental changes can be judged by whether they move The institutional structure toward or away from that ideal.

00:54:15.000 So there he's saying, you know, it may not happen in a huge reform act.

00:54:21.000 It may be many little acts that are in response to public demand.

00:54:25.000 The other one is, the other reason he says is very different.

00:54:27.000 It is so that if a crisis requiring or facilitating radical change does arise, alternatives will be available that have been carefully developed and fully explored.

00:54:38.000 and that relates to what else you said, that they already have false solutions prepared.

00:54:43.000 So when things go awry, we're going to hear from the mass media and their experts a lot of false solutions that don't address this problem.

00:54:52.000 But Friedman's saying, no, let's make sure that we do know what the proper solution is so that when the time is ripe, we know what to do.

00:54:58.000 Well, absolutely.

00:55:01.000 I still think even some of the audience out there don't realize the stakes here.

00:55:09.000 Because these bankers are making themselves gods.

00:55:11.000 Forget enthroning themselves.

00:55:13.000 I mean, they are just absolutely on power trips.

00:55:17.000 And Bill, the squeezing has only begun.

00:55:21.000 Is it going to be hard for you to sit there and watch the people carrying out the execution of our economy, posing as saviors, being worshipped on television?

00:55:30.000 I know that's always hard on me.

00:55:32.000 Well, I've been watching it for 14 years now.

00:55:34.000 It's just amazing to me that it's taken so long to actually get to this point, but I had no idea that they could really pump so much money into the system before it collapsed, and so that's why it's taken so long.

00:55:50.000 Well, they wanted us hyper-extended.

00:55:52.000 I mean, that's another point here.

00:55:53.000 The whole system is designed to want to get people in debt.

00:55:57.000 That's why when you're a guy working for six bucks an hour in college, you get a credit card three or four times a week in the mail.

00:56:03.000 But when you're not in debt, you get credit card offers twice a year.

00:56:07.000 This incentivizes Major banks are making big money off of this real estate run-up, and that's the major economic factor.

00:56:17.000 Well, exactly.

00:56:17.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:56:18.000 It incentivizes getting people in debt and making bad loans, which then the taxpayer bails out.

00:56:25.000 Let's skip this break.

00:56:26.000 Let's just keep talking right now with all the callers.

00:56:29.000 Here we go.

00:56:30.000 Okay, I'm going to skip that break, folks.

00:56:36.000 I do that sometimes.

00:56:38.000 I'm here for TheInfoWars.com audio streams, and the people watching on PrisonPlanet.tv, the AM and FM listeners and Shreve listeners, do not get to hear these behind-the-scenes interviews, but it's just too important to not waste time.

00:56:50.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Todd, Rick, Bronco, and others.

00:56:54.000 Todd in Ohio, you're on the air with the makers of the Money Masters.

00:56:58.000 Yeah, I have two questions for Bill and Pat if there's time.

00:57:02.000 First question, I've been telling people for years that we need a debt-free fiat money system.

00:57:08.000 Now the objection that I usually get is that the government is so untrustworthy that if you gave them this power that within a few years you'd have runaway hyperinflation and all these horrible things would happen.

00:57:19.000 But they have given the power to their private banker body so it's even worse with no transparency.

00:57:26.000 Go ahead.

00:57:27.000 Simple answer.

00:57:27.000 Absolutely.

00:57:28.000 Very simple answer.

00:57:29.000 Go on.

00:57:30.000 And that is, yes, that's true.

00:57:32.000 However, they are electable.

00:57:34.000 And the current people who control the quantity of money in the system are not electable.

00:57:39.000 I think the biggest issue is education, because the public doesn't know how this works.

00:57:44.000 And that, I think, is the first.

00:57:46.000 That's why you made the film.

00:57:47.000 But I'm going to shut up, Todd.

00:57:48.000 Go ahead and finish your question.

00:57:50.000 Yeah, well, I was going to say, the response I usually give to that is that the fact that the government is currently untrustworthy.

00:57:59.000 That no more justifies keeping money issuance in private hands than it does turning the power to declare war over to private companies like Halliburton and Blackwater.

00:58:10.000 But what it does demonstrate is that we also need election reform.

00:58:13.000 So my first question is, would you agree that in order for monetary reform to be implemented properly, that we as a people must insist upon a simultaneous reform of our election system?

00:58:27.000 Well, they own the electoral process, so I mean, monetary reform would take care of that.

00:58:32.000 Whether or not you have to have the cart before the horse, I don't know.

00:58:35.000 I'd leave that to Pat's better judgment.

00:58:39.000 Well, I mean, obviously both should be worked on simultaneously.

00:58:43.000 There's no reason to focus exclusively on one type of reform when more than one is needed.

00:58:50.000 You know, anything that will make it a more democratic process, that's fine and we should work for that.

00:58:54.000 At the same time, we should work for monetary reform.

00:58:58.000 You know, if I can say something else, in a way this boils down to whether or not you are a believer in democracy or plutocracy.

00:59:07.000 If you believe in democracy, you have to believe that the electoral process can work correctly.

00:59:15.000 And so therefore, the elected representatives of the people should have The most important power of government, according to Lincoln, namely the monetary power, in their hands.

00:59:25.000 If you don't believe in elected government, then you believe in plutocracy, which is the current system whereby the bankers make their own rules about how much money they can create.

00:59:37.000 Yeah, there's the other, another element of it, too.

00:59:40.000 It's, you know, not all politicians, obviously, are equally corrupt.

00:59:44.000 I'll tell you what, Pat, stay there, stay there.

00:59:45.000 We're coming back out to the main audience.

00:59:46.000 Here we go.

00:59:47.000 It's very simple.

00:59:55.000 We have private banking families, and not your bank down the street.

01:00:00.000 The big banks.

01:00:01.000 JPMorgan Chase.

01:00:05.000 And a few others.

01:00:06.000 The Rothschilds and Rockefellers. 0.99

01:00:07.000 That's who owns the stock in those companies.

01:00:10.000 That's who dominates and controls that private stock.

01:00:14.000 They are cold-blooded.

01:00:15.000 They are predatory.

01:00:18.000 And so we can debate what monetary reform we want.

01:00:20.000 Their reform is more banker control, world regulation, world tax on carbon.

01:00:26.000 Just totally going from out of the frying pan into hell.

01:00:30.000 I mean, you know, getting deeper into their system.

01:00:32.000 Kind of like a boa constrictor eating a monkey saying, here, I'll help you, let me just get your tail finally down my gullet. 0.98

01:00:38.000 Instead of the monkey, you know, trying to fight its way out.

01:00:42.000 So, We can debate this all day long.

01:00:45.000 We were just now talking behind the scenes there for Infowars.com stream listeners.

01:00:49.000 You've got to go to the streams, folks.

01:00:50.000 We're listening to another stream on the web somewhere, and you're not hearing the behind-the-scenes stuff.

01:00:53.000 You've got to go to Infowars.com and listen to those streams.

01:00:57.000 We were just now discussing that, and it's a no-brainer.

01:01:01.000 The central banks, the private families, own most of the gold and silver.

01:01:05.000 You need to be in it, because that beats the fiat currencies.

01:01:05.000 It's a great investment.

01:01:08.000 But the problem is, if they come up with that monetary reform, Of now, oh, let's get off that and go to this, that puts us right back under their control.

01:01:17.000 Now, I disagree with Bill Still, who's a very smart guy.

01:01:22.000 I mean, certainly he's right about that and they could propose it, but I have already seen them propose the regionally controlled, with a world authority over all banks and financial institutions, and to introduce you to the tax, Oh, it's a carbon environmental tax that they don't want to call a tax, but you buy it from the central bank.

01:01:42.000 So, that's it.

01:01:43.000 We know what they're going with.

01:01:45.000 The next big global bubble that will be the final bubble is controlling and taxing all carbon that is put off by all carbon-based life forms.

01:01:56.000 So this is taxing you to breathe.

01:01:57.000 You're going to have your own bureaucrat assigned to you that inspects your home on a monthly basis.

01:02:02.000 I mean, it's so hellish.

01:02:03.000 It's not my opinion.

01:02:05.000 So when this all happens, don't say, oh my God, Alex, you were psychic again.

01:02:08.000 It's all stated.

01:02:10.000 So we're having some debate.

01:02:11.000 Are you still there, Todd?

01:02:13.000 I am.

01:02:14.000 I mean, try to finish up your point of what you're trying to say.

01:02:17.000 Well, actually, I'd finish my first point.

01:02:20.000 My second point has to do with inflation, which you talk about a lot.

01:02:24.000 And I often hear it implied, though it's never really stated in so many words, that the problem with our current dollar crisis, monetary crisis, is that we have too much money chasing too few goods.

01:02:36.000 Well, I happen to have a copy of the Truth in Money book, which is quoted in the Money Masters documentary.

01:02:41.000 Right.

01:02:42.000 And one of the key phrases in there is that... Are you still there?

01:02:49.000 Yeah, it's a great book.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, what I was going to say is one of the key phrases in there is that we have a, quote, built-in shortage of money, end quote.

01:02:59.000 And the reason we have a built-in shortage is two reasons.

01:03:03.000 Number one is whenever the bank loan is repaid, or the principal of a bank loan is repaid, that money vanishes.

01:03:11.000 It's uncreated.

01:03:13.000 And the second reason... Yeah, but that's why they always want more debt! 1.00

01:03:16.000 Right, but the interest, the money needed to pay the interest is never created.

01:03:21.000 And so if everyone got out of debt, all the money supply would vanish, but there would still be billions and all this compounding interest debt.

01:03:30.000 So we have a built-in shortage of money, and so that's why I'm always arguing with people that hiking the interest rate is a false solution, because that's just going to drive the wedge even further between the outstanding interest debt and the money that's out there to pay it off.

01:03:43.000 Well, that's right.

01:03:44.000 Long-term, that's not a fundamental solution at all.

01:03:48.000 Or even a partial solution.

01:03:49.000 Well, that's right.

01:03:51.000 Yeah, you're correct.

01:03:54.000 So, again, what needs to be done is that our money needs not to be created by private banks that we must borrow, so that it's created with an equivalent amount of debt, for which, you're also correct, there isn't also money created for the interest.

01:04:11.000 So, right away, there's a shortage of money in the general economy, because it's all bearing interest.

01:04:19.000 It has to be paid by someone.

01:04:21.000 Yeah, so we have to abolish that system, and it has to be created not as debt, but as the act of the sovereign state, and used simply to pay for the goods and services the state needs for the benefit of the common good for the general population.

01:04:42.000 Well, one last point if there's time, in case you didn't know, somebody mentioned the Wizard of Oz earlier, I think it was Bill.

01:04:48.000 There's a book out called Web of Debt by Ellen Brown, came out last year, and in that book she talks about how the Wizard of Oz, the original book that was written, not the movie, was actually an allegory for monetary reform.

01:05:00.000 That's correct.

01:05:01.000 The ruby slippers were actually silver slippers in the book, denoting... That's right.

01:05:05.000 Right, so on the Yellow Brick Road.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, on the Yellow Brick Road was the gold standard and so forth.

01:05:09.000 That's correct.

01:05:10.000 By the way, Ellen Brown wrote an endorsement of the Money Masters, which appears on our website.

01:05:18.000 But she's correct.

01:05:19.000 She quotes the Money Masters at length in her book.

01:05:22.000 So that's all I have to say.

01:05:23.000 Thank you.

01:05:25.000 Let's take some more calls, but before we do that, we don't have time to screw around.

01:05:25.000 Thank you.

01:05:29.000 You need to go to InfoWars.com.

01:05:32.000 That way you support us and the filmmakers.

01:05:34.000 We have it for $19.95, and it is just hour after hour after hour.

01:05:39.000 I haven't timed it out.

01:05:42.000 Exactly how long are the two discs?

01:05:45.000 I haven't timed it out.

01:05:48.000 Three hours, 23 minutes.

01:05:49.000 Yeah, three hours, 23 minutes.

01:05:52.000 And can I make a point about gold-backed money?

01:05:56.000 Sure, we'll do that in just a moment.

01:05:57.000 Right now, I just want people to know how they can get this bill.

01:06:01.000 The Money Masters at Infowars.com.

01:06:03.000 How the banks create the world's money.

01:06:05.000 And I'll just plug it before the show ends, but people should know it's available at Infowars.com.

01:06:10.000 Go ahead and make your point.

01:06:12.000 Yeah, well, for those who think that there's so much gold in the system that it can't be controlled, you know, back, what, in the early 1970s, the Hunt brothers, they were not even major players on the New York scene.

01:06:25.000 The newly created electronic trading to corner the silver market, which is much more vast than the gold market.

01:06:31.000 Two, you know, smaller fish down in Texas were able to corner the market.

01:06:36.000 They had to change their exchange rules to beat them.

01:06:39.000 So don't tell me that it can't be cornered, these commodity markets can't be cornered by wealthy individuals.

01:06:46.000 Absolutely, they do it all the time.

01:06:48.000 And again, for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, here is the film, The Money Masters, and inside you have the two discs, close to three and a half hours.

01:06:56.000 In there, there's a nice little booklet that comes with it.

01:06:59.000 Quite a price, $19.95 at Infowars.com for the two-CD set, the three-hour, 23-minute film in the booklet.

01:07:08.000 I just want you to have this, and folks, of course you can find some scratchy copy on the web, and that's great for folks that aren't in contact with the DVD.

01:07:16.000 These are great films, like Endgame, or Terror Storm, or my new film that I just put out that needs to be seen.

01:07:23.000 It's so good on the DVD, Truth Rising, or the film that these guys made, The Money Masters.

01:07:29.000 I mean, you also need to support those that are putting out this type of information.

01:07:33.000 So, go to InfoWars.com, get the DVD today of the Money Masters.

01:07:39.000 Let's go back to the calls here.

01:07:41.000 Rick in New Hampshire and then Bronco and others.

01:07:44.000 Go ahead, Rick.

01:07:45.000 Hello, Alex.

01:07:46.000 Can you hear me?

01:07:47.000 Yes, sir.

01:07:48.000 Okay, that was just a wicked static interruption there.

01:07:51.000 Now that's the way phone systems sound.

01:07:53.000 The Telos, the classic, one of the most popular phone system in talk radio, to let you know, because they're designed for fans of talk radio, it goes... When you're actually... That's what it did.

01:08:05.000 Yeah, that's just a standard sound that a Telos system in talk radio makes.

01:08:10.000 Go ahead.

01:08:11.000 I was expecting a big Louie to come through the mouthpiece here.

01:08:15.000 Alright, man.

01:08:17.000 Hey, Bill Still, it's a pleasure to hear your voice.

01:08:20.000 Is this book, The New World Order, written in 1990?

01:08:23.000 Is this you?

01:08:24.000 Yeah, that's me.

01:08:26.000 Well, thank you.

01:08:26.000 This is the first New World Order book.

01:08:28.000 What's that?

01:08:30.000 That was the first New World Order book.

01:08:32.000 That's right.

01:08:32.000 This is the first one I read, too.

01:08:34.000 And I still enjoy it for reference.

01:08:36.000 But anyway... It beat Ralph Everson's book out by about three months.

01:08:41.000 Right, right.

01:08:42.000 Well, it certainly helped me a lot, and I still have it, and it's one of my permanent pieces there.

01:08:49.000 Let's see.

01:08:51.000 You know, that Monetary Reform Act, that goes back over ten years now, right?

01:08:54.000 That's in the end of your film.

01:08:55.000 I've seen your film at least a dozen times, by the way, and I love it, and I've showed it to dozens and dozens of people.

01:09:00.000 Oh, it's amazing.

01:09:02.000 Everybody gets through the Monetary Reform Act, and they say, okay, well, what happened?

01:09:05.000 What happened?

01:09:07.000 Yeah, yeah, Pat wrote it about 12 years ago.

01:09:09.000 Pat's an attorney, and so he's the intellectual brains behind this operation.

01:09:15.000 So, I mean, basically, it's one of the good ideas that's, you know, in the run for hopeful reform someday, right?

01:09:26.000 Well, that's right.

01:09:27.000 Well, yeah, and never has we had such a chance, you know, political pressure built at such a point where reform is now for the first time possible.

01:09:36.000 Yeah, Rick, thanks for the call.

01:09:39.000 How did Ron Paul, or have you ever talked to Ron Paul, receive your ideas, Pat?

01:09:45.000 I've tried to meet with him.

01:09:47.000 I went out and spoke to a conference of his in Phoenix about a year ago, specifically because I thought he was going to be there so I could talk to him personally.

01:09:54.000 We've visited his office.

01:09:56.000 He's never met with us face-to-face.

01:09:59.000 There's a lot of folks claim Ron Paul is going to be places when he's not.

01:10:03.000 That's a problem out there.

01:10:04.000 So when he really does actually come to an event, a lot of folks don't show up thinking, well I thought it was another one of the events where they just claim he's going to be there.

01:10:10.000 Let's talk some about the film in detail, because we mentioned it's a great film, but for those that haven't seen the three hours plus, and just don't know.

01:10:20.000 This is a whole history and all the incredible interviews.

01:10:23.000 Tell folks about the basic rundown of the film, either one of you, Pat or Bill, and then break down some of the people you interviewed for this.

01:10:33.000 Tell us about the making of it.

01:10:36.000 Well, it basically goes through the history of fractional reserve banking from time immemorial, from the time of christ actually is when we start And it just builds a case.

01:10:53.000 It's the same thing over and over and over again through history.

01:10:57.000 And then when we get to American history and you can start quoting Franklin and Jefferson and Madison, it's the same thing.

01:11:04.000 Eventually these people, there are people in every generation who figure it out.

01:11:10.000 And it's the same thing, and it just builds, I believe, an indisputable case for what we're trying to put across, that the only solution for this problem is to take the power to create the quantity of money in this country away from the private bankers, which is the situation we have today, and place it into the hands of the Congress of the United States.

01:11:31.000 Yeah, going back even to the time of Caesar, there were, you know, there were patricians who, as Bill said, they understood That if they could get the power to create money, I mean, you know, there's even fairy tales about it, like the goose that laid the golden egg, you know, and we've talked a minute ago about the Wizard of Oz and so forth.

01:11:52.000 It's people understand that it's not a hard concept.

01:11:55.000 If I'm the only fellow in the country that can create money, and I can create it on a keyboard or with a printing press, then I'm going to ultimately control the whole country.

01:12:03.000 So if what you're after is power, Then that's the vehicle to do it.

01:12:07.000 And people have understood this over and over again.

01:12:08.000 As soon as they understand it, they don't want anybody else to understand it.

01:12:11.000 Well, tell the viewers, some of the people that... In fact, since you raised that, as soon as people understand it, they don't want anybody else to understand it.

01:12:19.000 That's what's so ridiculous of all the founders and all these different presidents and Lincoln and Jackson and wars and editorials and the National Banking Association a hundred years ago saying, too many Americans read, buy up.

01:12:32.000 The newspapers dumb them down. 0.99

01:12:34.000 I mean, it's all public to anyone who's informed, but then we have a population a hundred years under their brainwashing, who can't even find Iraq on a map, but say, kill them all. 0.98

01:12:44.000 You know, they don't understand.

01:12:45.000 They're the target of these bankers too, and these bankers got sold on eugenics a hundred years ago, so they're carrying that out everywhere. 0.82

01:12:51.000 That's another issue I cover in Endgame.

01:12:53.000 It's just, this is everything.

01:12:55.000 And then to be called conspiracy theorists, because you can read newspaper articles from the time of Andrew Jackson.

01:13:04.000 It's a pocketbook issue.

01:13:06.000 The reason you don't have as much money in your pocket right now as you did ten years ago is because of this issue.

01:13:12.000 If you don't like that, then you should watch the video and figure out how to fix it.

01:13:17.000 There's a simple fix for this problem.

01:13:19.000 That's what's so incredible is you guys really do have a beautiful plan.

01:13:23.000 And it really does work, and it's what our government is designed to do.

01:13:26.000 It's what's in the Constitution.

01:13:28.000 It's what the founders first did.

01:13:30.000 And it's what Julius Caesar did, for God's sake.

01:13:32.000 That's what the Roman Empire was built on.

01:13:34.000 See, we just can't have that. 0.95

01:13:35.000 We've got to let some dirtbag scammers run and rule and make us slaves. 1.00

01:13:40.000 I know a lot of listeners are just saying, you're laughing right now, a lot of neocons are listening, a lot of liberals, you just can't wake up, the government's not your mommy and your daddy, and you've got to wake up that the Federal Reserve is at your pally, wow, and you're just not going to figure it out. 0.58

01:13:54.000 And so I just want you later to know that we, I guess, You know, sometimes I think we don't have hope, but we actually do have a lot of hope.

01:14:01.000 A lot of people are waking up.

01:14:02.000 It's just so obvious.

01:14:03.000 Does it ever make you want to tear your hair out, Bill and Pat, to know how obvious and simple this is, but that business people I talk to, maybe you run into it, just can't grasp it?

01:14:15.000 Well, actually, business people often do when you explain it to them, but, you know, again, this money has been used to control the media, and rather than reading books as we did a hundred years ago in this nation, And, you know, reading perhaps hundreds of books, if not thousands in a lifetime, most of the information we now get is from, you know, three or four news, massive news media.

01:14:38.000 So the means of controlling the information to the average American has been radically made easier for the bankers.

01:14:48.000 And that's one of the things that, you know, we have to deal with now is that the media is so limited.

01:14:55.000 Unfortunately, again, there's these alternative media, but they reach, obviously, a smaller percentage of the people.

01:15:02.000 Well, you're right.

01:15:03.000 That's why more and more I realize, as I said 12 years ago, pirate FM, as it's known, micro-FM, you know, 10 watts, 100 watts, picking up satellite feeds of shows like this.

01:15:14.000 But it's a handful of people that are willing, even though most of the time you never even get a civil letter from the FCC, as long as you're not interfering with other stations, especially in rural areas, it's very easy to They're not willing to step up, and they don't understand the animating contest of liberty. 0.95

01:15:30.000 It's also exciting and fun to stand up against this scum. 0.97

01:15:33.000 Let's take another call. 0.99

01:15:34.000 Let's talk to Bronco in Toronto.

01:15:36.000 Go ahead, Bronco.

01:15:38.000 Hello?

01:15:39.000 Yes, Bronco.

01:15:40.000 How are you, Alex?

01:15:41.000 Good.

01:15:43.000 Calling from Canada.

01:15:44.000 I was just wondering, you were talking about the influence of The U.S.

01:15:50.000 economic meltdown and the Fed.

01:15:52.000 You have your same private bank up there.

01:15:54.000 The state is the, or your guests, too.

01:15:56.000 The influence in Canada.

01:15:59.000 Like here, I'm just seeing gas prices rising, much like in the States.

01:16:03.000 You know, food prices have gone up.

01:16:06.000 The real estate bubble here hasn't collapsed yet.

01:16:08.000 Well, let me tell you why.

01:16:09.000 You'd think you're not on the dollar, you're on the loonie, so why has it gone from below the dollar past the dollar, you know, parity, and now past it?

01:16:18.000 About 70% of the fuel increase is dollar devaluation, and the rest is speculation on dollar fears.

01:16:24.000 You see, worldwide, everyone's rushing into commodities.

01:16:27.000 Because the world reserve currency is dying and everybody's trying to quietly get out of their dollars before it collapses.

01:16:33.000 And so that's the main thing driving that and that's what's hurting your economy.

01:16:37.000 Can I speak to this Canadian guy?

01:16:39.000 Yeah.

01:16:40.000 You know, there's a great Canadian who discovered the truth.

01:16:43.000 His name was Jerry McGeer in about 1935.

01:16:45.000 He was in the parliament.

01:16:50.000 And he fought the bank tooth and nail, and just go to Google and look up Jerry McGeer and some of his quotes.

01:16:59.000 He was a wonderful Canadian and he knew the truth.

01:17:02.000 This is one of his quotes.

01:17:04.000 They were the men interested in the establishment of the gold standard and the right of the bankers to manage the currency and credit of every nation in the world.

01:17:11.000 With Lincoln out of the way, they were able to proceed with that plan and did proceed with it in the United States.

01:17:17.000 Within eight years after Lincoln's assassination, silver was demonetized and the gold standard money system was set up in the United States.

01:17:24.000 And he goes on and on.

01:17:25.000 He was just so right on.

01:17:26.000 Stay there! 0.92

01:17:27.000 Stay there, Bronco! 0.88

01:17:28.000 I want to let you talk some more during this behind-the-scenes segment only for InfoWars.com audio stream listeners and PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.

01:17:37.000 Okay, we're going to come back in the final segment for everybody else, but this is too important to skip.

01:17:40.000 Get over there right now to the InfoWars.com streams, folks.

01:17:43.000 Alright, here we go.

01:17:46.000 Okay, Bronco, did you have anything else you wanted to say?

01:17:49.000 Yes, I was just going to mention that I've seen the movie and the documentary.

01:17:54.000 It was really, really good.

01:17:55.000 I've seen your documentary, your new one.

01:17:58.000 I was just going to state the fact that I remember in the documentary it mentioned Nathan Rothschild, and he said he doesn't really care who the political leaders of a country are as long as he's in charge of the money issue.

01:18:13.000 Pardon me?

01:18:14.000 Correct.

01:18:15.000 As long as he gets to control the quantity of money.

01:18:18.000 We've got a radio talk show host up here in Toronto.

01:18:21.000 His name is Richard Serret.

01:18:22.000 He's talked about this too.

01:18:23.000 I think you've been on his show, Alex, before.

01:18:26.000 He brought this whole issue up too.

01:18:28.000 Yeah, I've been everywhere, man.

01:18:31.000 I've been everywhere, man, like the Johnny Cash song goes.

01:18:33.000 I've been on search, I think, about ten times over the years.

01:18:36.000 Good guy.

01:18:40.000 But listen, if you appreciated the Money Masters, if you appreciated Truth Rising, well, you didn't give me your review of Truth Rising, what did you think of it?

01:18:48.000 Oh, it was fantastic.

01:18:50.000 Well, here's the deal.

01:18:51.000 My film's all free on Google, and I want you to use it and see it.

01:18:54.000 But at PrisonPlanet.tv, you can burn high-quality ones to disk and give them to people.

01:18:59.000 So go there, or get the DVDs at InfoWars.com.

01:19:03.000 Get the Money Master.

01:19:04.000 Show it to people.

01:19:05.000 Oh, I do, I do.

01:19:06.000 Believe me, I do.

01:19:08.000 I was just going to ask you, what other movies are you coming out with?

01:19:11.000 What other documentaries are you working on?

01:19:12.000 I'm doing one on the mass extermination program from All Their Documents, kind of an in-game two, I'm not sure, where we just show all the chemical, biological, radiological, declassified thefts, grabbing foster children, frying them in radiation chambers, murdering Native Americans, sterilizing them, sterilizing Native Americans, killing, it's in your news, killing young children on the Native American reservations under eugenics operations through the church in Canada. 0.57

01:19:37.000 Just so people understand that the bankers... Do you expect me to talk, Mr. Bond?

01:19:44.000 No, we expect you to die. 0.99

01:19:45.000 I mean, this is all the way. 0.99

01:19:47.000 This is full metal jacket death.

01:19:51.000 And I'm working on that.

01:19:52.000 Also one on JFK.

01:19:54.000 The case is basically closed.

01:19:56.000 Showing how they killed him, why they did it, and that goes into the bankers and the Federal Reserve as well, so that's kind of a Federal Reserve slash JFK, but inter-JFK, really kind of Federal Reserve.

01:20:06.000 But that's cinema verite, like Truth Rising, no voiceover, no nothing, just pure film, like you just saw with Truth Rising.

01:20:15.000 But thank you so much for the call, my friend.

01:20:20.000 Okay, gentlemen, we're going to come back to the main broadcast with only a few minutes left, and I appreciate you spending an hour and fifty minutes with us today.

01:20:27.000 In a few months, I want to get you back up again to track what's happening with the economy, and I can only commend both Pat and Bill.

01:20:35.000 Gentlemen, I hope you've enjoyed talking to our audience.

01:20:39.000 We haven't.

01:20:39.000 Thank you so much for having us on.

01:20:41.000 You bet.

01:20:41.000 We're not done yet, though.

01:20:42.000 One more rodeo. 0.77

01:20:43.000 Here we go.

01:20:45.000 And they're going down like a dinosaur.

01:20:53.000 Yeah.

01:20:54.000 Yeah!

01:20:57.000 They used to grow corn in Kansas.

01:21:07.000 Total Control.

01:21:14.000 A Control Freak Wonderland.

01:21:17.000 The DVD.

01:21:18.000 Three hours, twenty-three minutes.

01:21:24.000 Got a little booklet and everything.

01:21:25.000 1995infowars.com right now.

01:21:30.000 While you're there, get Truth Rising.

01:21:32.000 Democracy don't rule the world. 1.00

01:21:34.000 Democracy don't rule the world. 1.00

01:21:40.000 Better get that through your head.

01:21:43.000 This world is ruled by violence.

01:21:46.000 This world is ruled by violence.

01:21:49.000 But I guess that's better left unsaid.

01:21:51.000 Alright, we're out of time with our guest, again, the Money Masters, 888-253-3139.

01:21:54.000 888-253-3139 or 3001 South Lamar, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78704.

01:21:56.000 Get the film, get the Monetary Reform Act that is in the film and in a booklet within the film.

01:22:00.000 855-331-39 or 3001-South Lamar, Suite 100, Austin, Texas, 78704.

01:22:07.000 Get the film.

01:22:08.000 Get the Monetary Reform Act that is in the film and in a booklet within the film.

01:22:15.000 Just absolutely amazing.

01:22:19.000 You need to have it, folks. 0.99

01:22:22.000 I mean, I don't know how to push you or drive you to expose these bastards. 0.99

01:22:25.000 Spread the truth with everybody. 0.98

01:22:27.000 Gentlemen, it's been great to have both of you on.

01:22:30.000 I want to thank you for spending time with us, Pat Carmack and Bill Still.

01:22:34.000 In closing, do you think we're going to have a depression and how far off do you think it'll be?

01:22:41.000 Go, Pat.

01:22:42.000 Well, of course, you know, again, we're talking about definitions.

01:22:45.000 It'll be shifted around.

01:22:46.000 So, you know, to put it, you know, just common sense terms.

01:22:50.000 Will the economy worsen from what it is now?

01:22:53.000 I think that's pretty certain.

01:22:55.000 To predict how long it will last is very perilous.

01:22:58.000 It's hard to know, because it does involve the political order at that point.

01:23:02.000 It has to do with whether or not there's wars going on, or whether or not new wars happen, and so on.

01:23:07.000 And that, I can't predict.

01:23:09.000 But it appears wars will accelerate that, but regardless, who knows what's going to happen.

01:23:13.000 30 seconds, Bill.

01:23:17.000 Yeah, I don't see us coming out of this at all.

01:23:19.000 This is a death spiral.

01:23:22.000 We're not going to come out of it until monetary format gets passed.

01:23:26.000 We're just going to go down and down and down.

01:23:28.000 There's not going to be a two-year bottom.

01:23:29.000 It's an infinite bottom until this is done.

01:23:32.000 Folks, know who to blame.

01:23:33.000 The globalists, the bankers.

01:23:35.000 They're the enemy.

01:23:35.000 They did it all.

01:23:36.000 They're the fraudsters.

01:23:37.000 They're the magicians that scammed you.

01:23:39.000 Wake up now.

01:23:40.000 Admit you were conned.

01:23:41.000 Police and military and others that think you're part of the establishment, check into what we've covered here.

01:23:45.000 Gentlemen, thank you for spending time with us.

01:23:48.000 Thank you so much for having us.

01:23:49.000 You bet, gentlemen.

01:23:50.000 God bless.

01:23:51.000 We'll talk to you soon.

01:23:51.000 Folks, I am out of time.

01:23:54.000 Retransmission starts on the internet in about a minute and a half at InfoWars.com.

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Alex Jones Show - July 21, 2008

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