Alex Jones Show - 20080818_Mon_Alex

00:00:00.000 Yes, I just talked to clients on the phone and they watch what's happening on my desktop from their desktop.

00:00:05.000 so I can travel the world and still be here for my day.

00:00:07.000 It is August 18th.

00:00:31.000 We've got an hour and a half left in worldwide transmission.

00:00:38.000 Ryan McGovern has not been on with us in about two weeks since the Russian conflict started.

00:00:42.000 He's a former top CIA analyst for Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Sr., top analyst in General overall world affairs.

00:00:50.000 We have another former White House analyst, former NASA analyst.

00:00:53.000 He's written for the Washington Post, Washington Monthly, Space and Security News, Houston Post, and many other publications.

00:00:59.000 He has testified before Congress, before presidential commissions.

00:01:03.000 He's a top analyst on geopolitical activities, the economy.

00:01:07.000 He's also one of the leading experts on solid rocket fuel boosters, of all things.

00:01:12.000 Quite an expert joining us for the next 30 minutes.

00:01:14.000 I will be taking your calls for those that are holding right before Ray McGovern comes on with us a little bit later in the next hour, but we've got him for about 25 minutes right now.

00:01:22.000 He is Richard C. Cook, and I wanted to get him on to talk about, first, A, what we see with the economy, with all the deepening economic numbers versus the manipulation of the stock market, though it's still plunging today, and then also what happened with the situation with the United States, through its proxy, attacking Russia and then also what happened with the situation with the United States, through its proxy, attacking Russia about 11 days ago, and the reigniting of the Cold War and this mass hoax of saying that Russia attacked Georgia, and now moving missile systems, weapons

00:01:55.000 NATO's new public doctrine, which the Russians have read on television, freaking out that NATO may launch a sneak nuke attack on Russia, saying they need the anti-missile system so the US and NATO can nuke Russia, and so Russia can't defend itself.

00:02:09.000 And so any retaliatory strike will be shot down.

00:02:13.000 This is just absolutely incredible, these developments.

00:02:16.000 So that's basically why we have you, Richard.

00:02:18.000 Thanks for popping in today.

00:02:20.000 You've got the floor.

00:02:21.000 Okay.

00:02:22.000 Hi, Alex.

00:02:22.000 Hello, Richard.

00:02:25.000 To me, what is really interesting is the connection between the two major events that you're talking about.

00:02:35.000 The economic collapse and the confrontation now that's building up with Russia. 0.74

00:02:43.000 Because these things don't happen in a vacuum.

00:02:46.000 It's very interesting.

00:02:47.000 Obviously, they are trying to keep the economy afloat until the election in November.

00:02:56.000 And it's starting to me to look more and more like they're trying to kind of back McCain into the election.

00:03:05.000 Obama's numbers are pretty poor.

00:03:08.000 The Democrats should be way ahead in the polls now, and obviously Obama's not.

00:03:12.000 It's a virtual dead heat, which says to me that they're trying to now maneuver McCain back in there by keeping the gas prices down a little bit and keeping the loans rolling over so the economy doesn't just collapse in a heap between now and then.

00:03:29.000 But I think that we have here a classic wag the dog syndrome.

00:03:35.000 Ellen Brown had a good article on global research with that as the title the other day. 1.00

00:03:43.000 And it seems to me that this whole confrontation with Russia now is a move of desperation because the people in charge of the U.S.

00:03:55.000 economy don't have a clue what to do about the extraordinary explosion of debt that keeps building up and now we have with the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac we have according to the experts who are watching that another three to four trillion dollars in debt piled on the already ten to eleven trillion dollars in the national debt that the government has just taken on so the

00:04:26.000 Our financial position of the United States is increasingly hopeless.

00:04:31.000 It is a state of de facto bankruptcy, which has really been acknowledged now for two to three years by economists very close to the Federal Reserve.

00:04:40.000 They don't have a clue as to what to do about it.

00:04:42.000 So, not knowing what to do when your economy is collapsing, why not have a nice big war with somebody in the hope that through such an event, They could wipe the debts off the book and try to start over again.

00:04:56.000 But of course, for anyone who has to live on this planet right now, it's a potential catastrophe that's brewing.

00:05:04.000 So that's my take on it.

00:05:08.000 Richard, continue.

00:05:12.000 him.

00:05:13.000 Well, let's even take a step back in history a little bit.

00:05:20.000 I've always been interested in the Uh, historical background to our relations with Russia, uh, because, uh, up until 1991, in any case, uh, the United States and Russia were the two, uh, major superpowers.

00:05:38.000 Uh, but this kind of a division or this kind of a split in, in the power structure of the Western world, It has been going on a long time.

00:05:48.000 If you go back in history, which I'm starting to do, I'm doing a lot of research lately on the origins of the present situation, the Western European civilization, which formerly was in the Western European democracies until they self-destructed in World War I and World War II and now lies in the United States,

00:06:12.000 And the Eastern European civilization, which formerly was the Eastern Orthodox branch of the Church and the Eastern Byzantine Empire, and then it devolved onto Russia as Russia increasingly became a power.

00:06:28.000 And you know, it was Russia when Napoleon invaded Eastern Europe that finally put Napoleon in his place and became the dominant power in Europe for a while.

00:06:37.000 So now we have really an age-old split.

00:06:40.000 Between the western part of the European civilization, which now the United States and Britain really are the representatives of, and the eastern part of the European civilization, which Russia represents, that now have the face-off that began after World War II continuing.

00:07:02.000 And it's not really a... You know, some people are saying that this is a renewal of the Cold War.

00:07:06.000 Well, it's much worse than that.

00:07:09.000 The Cold War, in a way, was a fake.

00:07:11.000 It was cold, absolutely.

00:07:13.000 Explain that, because we have the banking establishment here financing them and kind of using the Communists as a wicked doppelganger for them to go take over new lands and infiltrate and kind of a front to overthrow the situation.

00:07:26.000 Do you agree with that analysis?

00:07:28.000 Oh yes, absolutely.

00:07:30.000 The Russia that we allied with in World War II Was a creature of western finance.

00:07:37.000 that's very clear from the historical record by the one point something out i've never knew your opinion on that but you're a historian and that's the factual history and so i just knew how to finish your sentence there and that's why i obnoxiously do that sometimes listeners because i want to point out to people we're reading from the same sheet of music and don't even know it because we're just giving you the facts This is a new Russia, a rogue outside the New World Order, all evidence shows, and they're clearly trying to encircle it.

00:08:05.000 The Cold War was cold.

00:08:08.000 This is hot on the borders with Mother Russia, which hasn't been tried since Operation Barbarossa, and before that with Napoleon, as you just said.

00:08:17.000 Yeah, that's correct, because all through the Cold War there was never any danger of an American soldier in uniform facing off against a Russian soldier in uniform and pulling the trigger at each other.

00:08:33.000 That was very carefully avoided.

00:08:35.000 Everything was done through proxy, it was done through You know, the different satellites... Yeah, far removed proxies.

00:08:44.000 Far removed proxies.

00:08:46.000 Now we're right there up against Mother Russia.

00:08:48.000 If we send uniformed personnel on the ground into Georgia, we're running a risk of the first time in history of American uniformed personnel and Russian uniformed personnel shooting each other.

00:09:03.000 This is what the Bush administration is getting us into.

00:09:06.000 Well, I agree, but I want to go back.

00:09:08.000 Go back to 1999.

00:09:10.000 Wesley Clark with the neocons.

00:09:12.000 The Russians pour into Pristina, the capital of Kosovo. 0.64

00:09:15.000 The Russians are saying, you're not going to have an ethnic cleanse with the Muslims, our Serb brethren.

00:09:21.000 No, it's part of the same thing, really.

00:09:22.000 Wesley Clark ordered the bombing of the airfield, but Sir Peter Jackson, the head of NATO, overruled him and said no.

00:09:30.000 So we've seen this lust since the supposed fall in 91 to engage them.

00:09:35.000 Is this a reigniting, or how does that fit in?

00:09:37.000 No, it's part of the same thing, really, because after 91, everyone said, well, Cold War is over.

00:09:44.000 Now we're going to get the peace dividend.

00:09:47.000 And before you know it, NATO, under Clinton, was in there bombing Belgrade and dismembering Yugoslavia.

00:09:57.000 It was all part of The same plan, the same program to encircle the Soviet Union. 0.91

00:10:03.000 And notice how they're just switching the last letter of Iraq with Iran.

00:10:08.000 It's the same thing with Serbia versus now these breakaway areas with Russia.

00:10:14.000 Because then they said the Serbs attacked, which wasn't true.

00:10:17.000 Both sides, obviously, in ethnic warfare were killing each other.

00:10:20.000 But the Serbs were clearly the ones being attacked by the KLA, backed by the U.S.

00:10:24.000 and NATO in southern Serbia and Kosovo.

00:10:27.000 It's the same thing here.

00:10:28.000 The public believes that Russia attacked for no reason.

00:10:32.000 Well, that's correct.

00:10:33.000 And, of course, Serbia has been a Russian ally and, in a sense, a Russian dependency all the way back prior to World War I. And the trap that was set by the people who started World War I in Serbia had the Russians behind it. 0.57

00:10:53.000 So the Russians always had as part of their sphere of influence Serbia and that part of the Balkans, because they're Slavic people.

00:11:00.000 It was all part of the general Russian policy of pan-Slavism.

00:11:03.000 And that's where they stopped the Muslim invasions twice. 0.99

00:11:07.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:11:08.000 And of course, all of that takes us back to the fact that Russia has always been the guardian of the Orthodox Church and kind of the overseer of the Eastern Christian religion.

00:11:22.000 If you want to talk about That divide, that began with what was called the Great Schism in 1054 A.D.

00:11:29.000 Yes.

00:11:29.000 And what we're seeing today, you know, believe it or not, you know, people don't... No, no, Rome is obviously behind the European Union, and so, yeah, break that down.

00:11:39.000 Yeah, we are seeing, in fact, a continuation of the same split between Eastern and Western Europe that we have seen for a thousand years.

00:11:50.000 And what it is, in fact, A lot of people have realized that, and you read Patrick Buchanan's book on the Unnecessary War that just came out, World War I and World War II were civil wars between different elements of European culture.

00:12:09.000 They were the same racial groups, the same people from the same civilization fighting and killing each other, and they've been doing this for a thousand years. 1.00

00:12:20.000 You could Carry that out into today's situation and say that the division between the United States as the representative of the Western European civilization and Russia as the representative of the Eastern European civilization That is just the latest phase in this European Civil War that's been going on for centuries.

00:12:41.000 Well, I agree.

00:12:42.000 Richard, we don't have a lot of time with you, so I want to pick your brain on some quick questions.

00:12:45.000 Okay.

00:12:46.000 How did this go for the NATO slash neocon Israeli U.S.-backed operation in Georgia?

00:12:53.000 Did they get what they wanted as a political diversion to start these brush wars, to try to buoy the dollar, saying, America's still tough, look, we're invading countries?

00:13:02.000 Or did it go badly for them?

00:13:04.000 Did they miscalculate?

00:13:06.000 Where do you see this going in the future?

00:13:08.000 I think they miscalculated because Russia crushed them. 0.87

00:13:12.000 I think Russia made a fool and a laughing stock out of the Georgian government and the American and Israeli backers. 0.92

00:13:20.000 I think they probably wanted this to be the fall surprise that would divert attention from the U.S. 0.97

00:13:27.000 presidential election.

00:13:28.000 It failed completely.

00:13:30.000 Russia was completely prepared. 0.72

00:13:32.000 And the Russian Army on the ground has been known for decades to be the most efficient, powerful ground force on the planet.

00:13:42.000 These guys are not the Iraqi forces who just cut and run.

00:13:48.000 I don't want to insult anybody, but the Russian military is very well-trained, they're very tough, they're very well-equipped, and I think they made fools out of the Georgian military and the American and Israeli backers. 0.93

00:14:02.000 And now their top generals go on TV and read the NATO doctrine that they've changed in the last two years publicly, it really changed it in 2000, where they say, we will, and I'm quoting, we will launch preemptive nuclear attacks on Russia or other states, and we mean by releasing this to provocate or have a provocation with Russia, and we're going to move missile defense in so when we sneak attack them, they can't...

00:14:27.000 Thank you.

00:14:29.000 respond back, throwing out MAD, which has held us in good stead, mutually assured destruction, so that there's a balance of power.

00:14:36.000 This throws the balance, and now Russia's saying, okay, we may go ahead and nuke those sites because we can't go up against your precision-guided munitions.

00:14:43.000 I'm quoting, we may go ahead and nuke areas of Poland and Ukraine. 0.99

00:14:48.000 And Russians have never, in their history, shot their mouth off and not really been considering something. 0.88

00:14:53.000 This is incredible brinksmanship.

00:14:55.000 No, the Russians mean what they say.

00:14:58.000 And they have, throughout their history, they're very serious people in this game, and they're not bluffing.

00:15:06.000 And they've put Poland on notice that if you arm yourselves through missile defense systems and allow the U.S. 0.52

00:15:13.000 to come in and stake out territory for operations against Russia, you are going to have the nukes aimed at you. 0.71

00:15:22.000 And I think Poland realizes this.

00:15:24.000 This is very, very serious.

00:15:26.000 This is not Simply the kind of bluster that we've seen during the Cold War.

00:15:32.000 This is another level of escalation.

00:15:36.000 Why have the neocons and their globalist controllers, we know they're just one little instrument they use as a front, within a front.

00:15:45.000 What do you expect the New World Order, the Anglo-American arm, to do now?

00:15:49.000 Well, I believe that they're doing this because the United States economy is collapsing.

00:15:55.000 It's a race against time between creating some kind of a massive diversion.

00:16:04.000 A tribal rallying point.

00:16:07.000 Yeah, but it's not even a rallying point because the American government and the American people are broke, are bankrupt.

00:16:15.000 They cannot continue even to fund the government because at a certain point The foreigners who are buying the treasury debt to keep this thing afloat are going to stop doing it.

00:16:28.000 It just cannot go on.

00:16:29.000 You know what it looks like to me?

00:16:30.000 It's almost like somebody saying, I have a bomb, I'll blow this meeting up, if you don't do what I say. 0.98

00:16:35.000 It seems like they're holding everybody hostage, showing everyone just how crazy they are. 0.84

00:16:40.000 Well, they are, but there's nothing that they can get out of it other than a war. 0.67

00:16:46.000 There's nothing that Russia or China or anybody can do for the U.S.

00:16:50.000 To bail us out any further from our own collapsing economy.

00:16:54.000 In fact, they've been trying to... Well, and that's where it gets confusing.

00:16:59.000 They've been trying to prop the dollar up for a decade, and then, meanwhile, the White House makes every move to devalue it, and then suddenly jumps in trying to restore it.

00:17:09.000 And I know there's a method to the madness here, but does it seem helter-skelter and almost like they're crazy?

00:17:16.000 Well, they're trying to keep the dollar up.

00:17:18.000 At least through this election, and they've done that by no longer slashing the interest rates and still providing some kind of an environment where foreign investors can come in.

00:17:29.000 So they want a slow slide, not a total implosion?

00:17:33.000 I'm sorry?

00:17:34.000 They want a slow slide, not a total implosion?

00:17:37.000 At least through the election.

00:17:39.000 Now, nobody knows what they're going to do after the election and after the inauguration if, say for example, McCain is put into place.

00:17:47.000 If Obama's elected, he will try to do another New Deal.

00:17:51.000 McCain does not seem to be heading in that direction.

00:17:54.000 McCain seems to be all out for the World War III option.

00:17:58.000 All right, stay there.

00:17:59.000 We're going to skip this break with Richard C. Cook.

00:18:01.000 If you're on the internet, you can listen at Infowars.com.

00:18:04.000 Stay with us.

00:18:06.000 Okay, Richard, I'm interrupting here because I have a lot of questions.

00:18:09.000 What is most important in all of this, and what can we do to try to turn this around?

00:18:15.000 What can we do?

00:18:16.000 Yes, sir.

00:18:18.000 Well, the only rational thing that we can do is to go back to the very beginning and to start over again with rebuilding our productive economy.

00:18:31.000 Our productive economy was destroyed as a result of the international banker's decision to eliminate the United States as a producer nation that came out starting with the 79 Paul Volcker

00:18:46.000 recession and has continued ever since and you know you go to the uh... you look at the builder burger meetings that you've tracked alex and this is one of their my major agenda item and then we're forced to be a military economy was a brzezinski said that take everything we've got and then we'll have to be hessian slaves by way of the economy is the only way will will be able to live so domestically prisons checkpoints control surveillance and armored empire and then we supply uh... mercenaries to the corporate board

00:19:16.000 Well, that's the way it is.

00:19:17.000 I mean, that's what it's become.

00:19:20.000 The only way to stop that is for, and I've said this in writing, is for the federal government immediately to take over the Federal Reserve System, to nationalize the credit system, and to use the credit of the United States not to fight foreign wars, but to rebuild our domestic economy.

00:19:40.000 And that means putting a lot of the debt That is floating around in the economy that is contributing to inflation, for example, to put that on hold, to put that into bankruptcy reorganization, and to take over the economy and to rebuild it from the bottom up.

00:19:56.000 That's what has to be done right now.

00:19:59.000 And people say, well, we don't want the government involved in the economy because it's always corrupt.

00:20:02.000 The problem is the corporations have already used the government to take control of the economy and then to literally cut it up into scrap and move it overseas.

00:20:11.000 Well, the economy is run now by the international banking community.

00:20:16.000 You're saying the people need to take control of the government and take control that way?

00:20:20.000 The Constitution of the United States starts with the words, we the people.

00:20:24.000 It should be an instrument, the people of the United States, to control their own economic destiny.

00:20:31.000 Now, if it's done properly, it will be a mixed economy consisting largely of private enterprise.

00:20:36.000 But the key to it is control of the monetary system as the Constitution prescribes.

00:20:44.000 Turn that credit loose instead of to select corporations to leverage it and then move everything offshore, tailor it again to where it actually builds the nation up.

00:20:54.000 Exactly.

00:20:55.000 Credit has been privatized and it really began in earnest with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

00:21:00.000 And why would these big banking cartels not take advantage and destroy all their competition and try to set up a monopoly?

00:21:06.000 We're coming back to the full audience.

00:21:07.000 Here we go.

00:21:12.000 Richard C. Cook is our guest.

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00:21:41.000 The globalists have strip-mined the country, moved everything offshore to create monopolies.

00:21:46.000 Now their own empire is in danger of collapsing because they've been so predatory.

00:21:51.000 How do you think they're planning to salvage this by having a global reorganization where they pose as the saviors through a new corporate world government?

00:22:01.000 Well, I think that that's part of it.

00:22:05.000 You've got the concept, for instance, of the North American Union or the North American Free Trading organization that has been talked about to restructure the North American economy.

00:22:18.000 And that's a new bubble, that's all that is.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, but the problem is that they have this multi-trillion dollar debt overhang that nobody knows what to do with it.

00:22:29.000 That debt will never be repaid.

00:22:32.000 And that's why I feel that we're heading toward a major war, because they always use war as a means of Either rolling over debt or inflating currency to the point where it destroys the old public debt, which happened after World War I, or they simply take over and conquer other countries that you owe money to and cancel the debt that way.

00:22:56.000 They painted themselves into a corner, Alex.

00:22:58.000 There's no way out of it.

00:23:00.000 But control freaks, in the case of every other empire, we can study the current psychology by other elite psychology, humans behave the same way, normally just start throwing fits and attacking in all directions, and then things, that only hastens their demise.

00:23:15.000 Well, they tend at a certain point to decide to set everything in stone so that no surprises can take place.

00:23:25.000 This is what happened with the Roman Empire.

00:23:28.000 It's what happened with the British Empire, but the British Empire went bankrupt.

00:23:32.000 And the reason the United States is in control now was because they took over the bankruptcy of the British Empire, and they did it through World War II.

00:23:41.000 That's what happened after the Great Depression.

00:23:44.000 What lifted us out of the Great Depression was World War II.

00:23:47.000 It was massive arms spending, and it was enormous tax rates that were levied on the entire economy.

00:23:55.000 And so what you had in essence was for four or five years in the United States, you know, our own version of communism or socialism or whatever, managing and running World War II.

00:24:06.000 And after World War II, we were the top dog in the world economy.

00:24:10.000 But they handed those mechanisms over to the internationalists instead of keeping that engine going.

00:24:16.000 And now we've been basically had our bones picked.

00:24:19.000 The internationalists took them away.

00:24:22.000 They were taken away.

00:24:23.000 That's why they got rid of Nixon, because Nixon opposed the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which was the internationalization that preceded the World Trade Organization.

00:24:32.000 Yeah, not that he was even a nice guy, but he wanted an empire for America!

00:24:35.000 That's right.

00:24:36.000 He thought, why shouldn't- The strong American economy, and Kissinger took it away.

00:24:40.000 They got him railroaded out, and from that point on, every American president, but the big one was Reagan.

00:24:48.000 You know, Reagan presided during the Volcker crash of the economy in 79 to 83 and turned the economy over to the bankers and the international elite.

00:25:01.000 Who, you know, run the Bilderberg Group and the Council on Foreign Relations and all of that.

00:25:05.000 And now the bankers are all buying offshore private islands with private security details.

00:25:10.000 Right.

00:25:11.000 Because I know a lot of them live here in Austin and I know they're lawyers, and I mean billionaires.

00:25:14.000 They've been pulling... They're just going to let it crash.

00:25:17.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:25:17.000 No, they're saying we're crashing everything and then we'll come back and buy it all up for pennies on the dollar.

00:25:22.000 That's right. 1.00

00:25:22.000 We're going to leave you with the lobotomized idiot cops beating you with clubs. 1.00

00:25:26.000 Have fun. 1.00

00:25:27.000 Bye-bye.

00:25:27.000 That seems to be the case.

00:25:30.000 Well, Richard C. Cook, thank you for your great columns, your great work and analysis.

00:25:33.000 I want to get you up sometime, maybe later this week or next week, with a full hour.

00:25:37.000 Thank you for your great insight.

00:25:39.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:25:40.000 There he goes.

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00:25:58.000 Yeah, I just sent you that current list.

00:26:02.000 You should have six callers.

00:26:07.000 Who's up next, Frank?

00:26:08.000 A full hour.

00:26:09.000 Thank you for your great insight.

00:26:11.000 Thank you, Alex.

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00:27:24.000 I was outside at work downtown in Cincinnati.

00:27:25.000 right now and then Ray McGovern is coming off for about 20 minutes and we'll continue with your phone calls.

00:27:32.000 Let's go to Elliott in Ohio, then Frank, Kevin and others.

00:27:34.000 Elliott, you're on the air.

00:27:36.000 Thanks for holding.

00:27:37.000 Hey Alex, last week it was Tuesday.

00:27:40.000 I think I was actually listening to your show.

00:27:44.000 I was outside at work downtown in Cincinnati.

00:27:46.000 I was having a cigarette and I'm looking at the black military helicopter, you know, just going up and down, up and down the river.

00:27:57.000 And like, you know, I kept looking at it, and you know, I was like, no, no.

00:28:01.000 It's got a radiation detector in it, or it was over houses.

00:28:05.000 It's got an infrared looking for marijuana grow lights, and that makes the troops think there's really a nuclear threat, and they're really protecting America, and there's all this real security stuff going on as part of the illusion, so when the globalists set a nuke off, they can grandstand as the saviors, and the troops and police would have been, we were looking for nukes.

00:28:23.000 Yeah, you know, like, I started calling, you know, a couple of the police districts.

00:28:28.000 Like, I called the one in downtown, District 1.

00:28:30.000 Of course, they didn't know anything.

00:28:33.000 They sent me over across the river in Kentucky.

00:28:35.000 Of course, they didn't know anything.

00:28:37.000 Then I called the Sheriff's Department, Cincinnati, and pretty much left a message, I guess, with a higher-up.

00:28:44.000 And he called me back, like, a half hour later, Lieutenant Scudder.

00:28:48.000 And I was like, sir, do you realize that there's a black U.S.

00:28:51.000 military helicopter going up and down the river?

00:28:53.000 And he's like, oh, yeah, we have two of those.

00:28:55.000 I'm like, huh?

00:28:57.000 Oh, so it was the Sheriff's Department.

00:28:58.000 Yeah.

00:28:58.000 And he's like, oh, yeah.

00:29:00.000 Well, yeah, they're also giving them their... It wasn't a Blackhawk, though. 0.64

00:29:04.000 They're not giving them Blackhawks, or it was just a Bell.

00:29:07.000 There had to have been a Blackhawk, Alex. 0.61

00:29:08.000 Looked right at a Blackhawk down, like the movie. 1.00

00:29:11.000 Okay, well I didn't know that they had Blackhawks.

00:29:14.000 Look, they're federalizing everything in these threat matrix centers.

00:29:18.000 The feds are in control, CIA.

00:29:20.000 They're federalizing the police.

00:29:21.000 I have it in the Washington Post this weekend, finally came out and admitted the whole thing.

00:29:25.000 I mean, we already knew it.

00:29:26.000 But it's just getting really crazy.

00:29:30.000 Yeah, and you know, just talking with him, I was like, uh, did you get this from, like, the Fed?

00:29:35.000 Did you get this from, like, the military?

00:29:36.000 Was it a donation, a grant of some kind?

00:29:39.000 He's like, oh, I don't know.

00:29:40.000 Well, do you know if it was manufactured at a military, uh... But he said the Sheriff's Department had these helicopters.

00:29:48.000 Yeah, apparently the Hamilton County Sheriff's Department in the city of Cincinnati.

00:29:52.000 And like, as I keep talking to him, I'm like, okay, well, sir, I have been researching how this country has been going towards martial law.

00:30:00.000 I brought up the situation in Arkansas with... Let me guess, I bet he said, well, martial law will keep you safe.

00:30:07.000 Oh, he didn't say that, Alex.

00:30:08.000 As soon as I dropped the phrase, police say, like, oh, sir, sir, I can't talk about that.

00:30:13.000 I'm like, wait, what?

00:30:14.000 I'm a taxpaying citizen of the city of Cincinnati, which trickled into your paycheck.

00:30:19.000 You can't talk about it?

00:30:20.000 Are you kidding me?

00:30:22.000 This is my country.

00:30:23.000 So how did it end?

00:30:26.000 Well, it ended with, oh, sir, sir, I can't talk about it.

00:30:29.000 And so I asked him one last question.

00:30:31.000 I was like, OK, OK.

00:30:32.000 Because he told me, oh, well, the military can go into any city they want at any point in time.

00:30:36.000 And I'm like, all right, fine, sir.

00:30:38.000 They've all been trained and acclimated to that, yeah.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, and I was like, tell me this, sir.

00:30:42.000 Are you willing to cooperate with military if they come in?

00:30:45.000 Into the city.

00:30:46.000 Are you willing to cooperate with the military if they randomly came in?

00:30:49.000 Oh, yeah!

00:30:50.000 Definitely.

00:30:50.000 So you're willing to break Posse Comitatus?

00:30:53.000 Uh, sir, I'm not breaking Posse Comitatus.

00:30:55.000 We obviously have different political views and I'm not allowed to talk with you about this.

00:30:59.000 So, uh, that's all I can say.

00:31:01.000 I'm like, are you kidding me?! !

00:31:07.000 They've all been turned into little petty commissariat political spy officers.

00:31:12.000 It's happened everywhere. 0.71

00:31:13.000 This is the criminal state getting ready to fully repossess the nation and totally bankrupt us all, including his mama, his daddy, his greedy greedy granny that went beep beep beep down Sesame Street.

00:31:24.000 I mean, it is. 0.79

00:31:26.000 I'm serious.

00:31:27.000 It's everybody.

00:31:29.000 And they just think it's cute and funny.

00:31:31.000 They've been acclimated by all these TV shows to make us the target.

00:31:34.000 I've been warning everybody, and now they admit that.

00:31:37.000 Well, good to hear from you.

00:31:38.000 I appreciate you telling that story.

00:31:40.000 Ray McGovern's coming up, then we'll continue with phone calls.

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00:34:59.000 Get, uh, Fabled Enemy.

00:35:01.000 We're safe to breathe.

00:35:06.000 Can you cue it up?

00:35:07.000 Sorry.

00:35:09.000 He had his hand over the radio while he was getting a countdown.

00:35:13.000 He takes his hand off and you hear 3, 2, 1, and it was...

00:35:21.000 Ray McGovern is our guest for the rest of the hour.

00:35:23.000 We'll also open the phones up.

00:35:26.000 But specifically on the Iraq situation, the Afghan situation, the upcoming crisis with Iran, what's happening with the former Soviet Union being encircled by NATO, and Israeli forces being the foreign minister, the defense minister of Georgia being so involved there.

00:35:42.000 I want to pick Ray McGovern's brain about that.

00:35:44.000 This happened about a week and a half ago.

00:35:46.000 He's now had a lot of time to study it as the former top White House analyst for Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., assigned from the CIA with the morning briefings.

00:35:54.000 He's also written for major publications.

00:35:56.000 He also was an army officer, so he's uniquely vetted for us to really give us some good answers.

00:36:03.000 He's given us a lot of great material in the past.

00:36:05.000 Before we go to him, though, he is in my film, Terror Storm, talking about 9-11, questioning the official story, talking about Iran, no WMDs, at that time eight years out from having them.

00:36:19.000 Well, he's also in the new film, he did an interview with Jason Burmess, Fabled Enemies, which gets into the Israeli connection.

00:36:26.000 and gets into their intelligence agencies all over the United States, and their clear role in intelligence gathering at some level, and they certainly had prior knowledge and covered it up.

00:36:35.000 That's only one part of the film, but Ray McGovern is in the film, about the role of Israel and their lobby on our foreign policy.

00:36:43.000 Here is the trailer for Fabled Enemies.

00:36:45.000 Fox News has learned that some American terrorism investigators fear certain suspects in the September 11th attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them.

00:36:55.000 Some U.S.

00:36:56.000 investigators believe that there are Israelis, again, very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S.

00:37:02.000 Whether it's because they're in intelligence services or what they were doing, I will defer to the Department of Justice and the FBI.

00:37:09.000 There was a report on the George Washington Bridge that there had been a van stop there that had explosives.

00:37:16.000 We have a suspect who drifted from building a van and then exploded.

00:37:22.000 Amdocs Limited, an Israeli-based private telecommunications company.

00:37:27.000 It is virtually impossible to make a call on normal phones without generating an Amdocs record of it.

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00:37:38.000 The largest.

00:37:39.000 Documents say they, quote, targeted and penetrated military bases, the DEA, FBI, and dozens of other government facilities.

00:37:48.000 There's one big elephant in the living room.

00:37:51.000 ...is the relationship between the United States of America and the State of Israel.

00:37:57.000 What about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9-11?

00:38:00.000 Well, it's very explosive information, obviously.

00:38:03.000 A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have known?

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00:38:28.000 Okay, Ray McGovern, there's so many questions I could ask, but let's say I'm the President.

00:38:32.000 Infowars.com, where I'm going to skip some breaks during this hour.

00:38:35.000 Only the Infowars.com listeners on those specific streams, not the Genesis streams, not other little networks and things that carry us, but on Infowars.com is where you'll be able to hear that.

00:38:48.000 Okay, Ray McGovern, there's so many questions I could ask, but let's say I'm the president.

00:38:52.000 We're so honored to have you, and we appreciate your time.

00:38:54.000 But let's say I'm the president, and I'm asking you, or you were advising a foreign president, what has happened in Russia?

00:39:02.000 What is the larger geopolitical reasons for this?

00:39:04.000 What is behind it?

00:39:06.000 Why has NATO, the U.S.

00:39:07.000 and Israel, launched a sneak attack on Russia?

00:39:10.000 What is Russia going to do?

00:39:11.000 You've studied them for decades.

00:39:13.000 What does this mean in the larger picture in context with the election Iran?

00:39:19.000 Well, Mr. President, It's fairly simple to explain this.

00:39:26.000 Once you tweak the nose of the Russian bear in a place where you're vulnerable, the Russian bear is going to strike back.

00:39:35.000 The Georgians took it into their head to mount a full-scale attack on Ossetia, South Ossetia, and even the U.S. 0.95

00:39:45.000 Special Envoy called it, and I quote, deplorable, horrible.

00:39:51.000 Uh, here's a quote from this fellow, Matthew Berza, who's a Deputy Associate, uh, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State.

00:39:59.000 Uh, to fire on civilians, as the Georgians did on the evening of, uh, August 7th, is simply deplorable. 0.79

00:40:06.000 Uh, it's illegal and, uh, and horrible, says Matthew Berza, U.S.

00:40:12.000 Special Envoy to the region.

00:40:15.000 That's what started it.

00:40:16.000 Now, what the Georgians had in mind is really bizarre.

00:40:19.000 I think that they would As divorced from reality as some folks in the White House.

00:40:25.000 If they thought that the United States of America, which already has all its deployable troops deployed in two godforsaken wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, if they thought the U.S.

00:40:37.000 would come to their aid, or worse still, if they thought the Russians would sit back there behind their border and take this without reacting, you know, well, he needs to have his head examined because that could never be the case.

00:40:51.000 The Russians are on the march in this sense. 0.90

00:40:56.000 They're tired of being humiliated.

00:40:59.000 They're tired of being whipsawed.

00:41:03.000 We have NATO moving ever closer to the traditional borders of Russia.

00:41:09.000 We have a missile installment in Poland and a radar installment in the Czech Republic. 0.62

00:41:18.000 Now, those are going to be really handy for protecting Europe against an ICBM attack from Iran. 0.95

00:41:29.000 But Iran doesn't have any ICBMs and can't have them for many, many years.

00:41:34.000 As a matter of fact, the U.S.

00:41:36.000 intelligence community unanimously decided that Iran is not working on any nuclear weapons, at least as of mid-2003.

00:41:46.000 So, you know, for Putin and the rest of the Russian leaders there to swallow all this stuff and not react when they can react.

00:41:55.000 I mean, they can't do anything about Poland or the Czech Republic, but they sure as heck can do something about their soft underbelly. 1.00

00:42:02.000 And it's not only the Soviet Union or the new Russia, it's the old Russia. 0.92

00:42:06.000 It's the old Russia going back four centuries now that has this very paranoid attitude toward their southern frontier, the Black Sea, and now, of course, within the last century, that's where the oil is, and they're very, very sensitive to encroachments on that.

00:42:26.000 Well, analyzing Mikhail Shagosvely, this guy is on TV and live programs chewing his tie, looking like a complete nutcase when...

00:42:38.000 When there's no threat, he runs in fear, panicking like no leader I've ever seen.

00:42:43.000 And I'm not saying I wouldn't run from an air raid, but he just...

00:42:47.000 According to all the reports, he really is out of his mind.

00:42:50.000 And meanwhile, you've got all these Israelis there. 0.99

00:42:53.000 Jerusalem Post said a thousand Israeli advisors.

00:42:56.000 You've got U.S. 0.66

00:42:56.000 Special Forces doing drills there two weeks before. 0.66

00:42:59.000 U.S.

00:42:59.000 weapons.

00:43:01.000 I mean, what were they thinking to gain from this?

00:43:05.000 Well, again, as far as Sakhar Farsheli is concerned, you know, he's sort of like the Chalabi of Georgia.

00:43:16.000 Well spoken, pretty glib, in good with the neocons and several other people on the Hill.

00:43:23.000 And they sort of gave him the impression, some of them at least, maybe as high as Cheney, that, yeah, we're going to tweak this Russian bear and we're going to defend what you consider to be your strategic objectives.

00:43:38.000 And so I can only reason The Russians wouldn't respond. 0.99

00:43:50.000 Now here's the president out there in Beijing playing beach volleyball with those comely women and not really being in the picture, Cheney being in charge back home and issuing threatening statements.

00:44:08.000 Thank goodness Robert Gates made it clear that we're not going to react militarily.

00:44:14.000 So, the whole thing is an abject lesson, or an object lesson I suppose, is the right word, although abject also fits here, of how these people are not reality-based.

00:44:26.000 How they thought that they could do this stuff in a place where they can't defend a little nation like Georgia.

00:44:33.000 How the Georgian leader thought that he could get away with this is beyond my comprehension.

00:44:41.000 But he did it.

00:44:42.000 The Russians reacted.

00:44:43.000 And now they've given a lesson to places like that, that really violated understandings reached back in the early 90s, where these, you know, Ossetia and Abkhazia would enjoy a measure of autonomy.

00:45:00.000 And that there would be Russian people in there.

00:45:03.000 They feel closer to Russia than they do to the Georgians. 0.68

00:45:06.000 Well, we know those two areas were given by Stalin to Georgia, because he was a Georgian, and they're 90 plus percent, what, 92 percent one, 90 percent another, Russian.

00:45:16.000 And the sneak attack where the Georgian peacekeepers were knifing and shooting the Russians in the security zones, inside the peacekeeping bases?

00:45:26.000 I mean, this is unprecedented treachery.

00:45:29.000 Yeah, you know, one of the real statesmen at the end of the Soviet era, Shevardnadze, Eduard Shevardnadze, who was the foreign minister, he talked about this whole series of events, and he was careful not to be too terribly critical of what the Russians had done.

00:45:52.000 But he did point out that there's a way of handling these kinds of things, and it has to do with long-term

00:45:59.000 uh... cultivation of ties and while he was uh... president of georgia he reached out he went to a house here he went to a six year and he met with the people and there was a gradual rapprochement happening that's not the way uh... our clients uh... do things uh... you know we do shock and awe and we we raid the cities and kill a lot of civilians in the middle of the night that is deplorable that is beyond the pale and that's what

00:46:27.000 Do you see that, Ray McGovern, as another window into the neocon mindset, that they would obviously greenlight this, that they're so delusional that they just think they're going to see victory everywhere?

00:46:39.000 Well, yeah.

00:46:40.000 I think the Georgian president also may have taken it a little farther than he was really Supposed to, but yeah.

00:46:48.000 This kind of hubris is what leads to the downfall of lots of people besides ancient Greek heroes.

00:46:55.000 Okay, Ray McGovern, we're going to skip this break for InfoWars.com.

00:46:58.000 Listen, for everybody else, we'll be back in about three minutes.

00:47:01.000 Ray McGovern's our guest.

00:47:02.000 Stay with us.

00:47:06.000 Okay, Ray, I want to continue.

00:47:07.000 I don't want to waste any time here.

00:47:09.000 I want to get into the Iran-Iraq situation, the big picture there, and where you see this going in the election.

00:47:16.000 Any new developments the last two weeks since you were last with us?

00:47:19.000 But finishing up with the Russian situation, it looks like the neocons are escalating things now.

00:47:25.000 and moving in more forces, more weapons, taking over former Soviet satellite bases in Ukraine, angering the Russians, escalating, and even more.

00:47:34.000 And so I want to get your take on overall how that's going to play out.

00:47:38.000 And then when we come back to the full audience in about three minutes, I want to, John, get that clip ready with McCain saying, and we also want to Bush, saying the 21st century nations don't invade other nations.

00:47:50.000 the The hypocrisy.

00:47:53.000 But first, the big picture with things escalating.

00:48:00.000 Ray?

00:48:03.000 I don't think Ray McGovern knows that we went to break.

00:48:05.000 Ray, we're still on the air right now, Ray, did you hear that?

00:48:08.000 I haven't seen the reports on U.S.

00:48:10.000 troops going to the Ukraine.

00:48:12.000 Well, they had them, they're training them as advisors, and yes, they're increasing the amount.

00:48:16.000 And they're flying in, you know, more troops to help in Georgia.

00:48:19.000 Yeah.

00:48:20.000 Well, I think that the Ukrainians will have learned this lesson pretty well. 0.96

00:48:24.000 Also, with respect to NATO, of course, they have already Postponed any talk of accession to NATO by Ukraine and by Georgia.

00:48:34.000 So there'll be a period of several months now where people will kind of hunker down and weigh the implications of what just happened and realize that, you know, would we want Mexico to be invited to join the Warsaw Pact?

00:48:49.000 The now defunct Warsaw Pact?

00:48:50.000 I don't think so, you know?

00:48:52.000 And what Americans need to do is put themselves in the position of the Russians. 0.90

00:48:57.000 And as the Russians look out on what the U.S.

00:49:00.000 has done over the last eight years, you know, cancelling treaties, putting new missile systems in Western Europe, invading other countries.

00:49:10.000 You know, if I were Vladimir Putin, I would think twice about not giving them a lesson when he can so easily do so.

00:49:20.000 The Georgians were thoroughly penetrated by Russian intelligence.

00:49:24.000 They knew exactly what was happening.

00:49:25.000 That's why they were ready to respond.

00:49:27.000 And for the Georgians that think they can get away with this, you know, it was really started by the Georgians and they're going to have to pay a price. 0.99

00:49:36.000 What about Israel?

00:49:37.000 What do they think they're going to get?

00:49:38.000 Part of the oil and gas?

00:49:39.000 Why are they there?

00:49:40.000 Well, the oil line there that runs through Georgia is very important to Israel.

00:49:46.000 But also, you know, if you talk about the military-industrial complex in this country, You know, there's a great big one in Israel as well, and they have been making megabucks by sending all kinds of armaments and selling them to the Georgians. 0.75

00:50:03.000 And of course, to the degree they can get a foot in Georgia, it's similar to the foot they used to have in Turkey, or even earlier in Iran, of all places, then they have more of a security So you're saying another huge international blunder for the neocons, Washington and NATO, just another stinging, pathetic fall on their face defeat?

00:50:33.000 Yeah, and could be worse, Alex.

00:50:36.000 You know, you have to take five steps back and always ask yourself how the Israeli leaders will look at this.

00:50:44.000 Now, there have been some really bad things happening as far as the Israelis are concerned.

00:50:49.000 Number one, we're going to be out of Iraq. 0.96

00:50:51.000 Okay?

00:50:52.000 Now, it may take a year, it may take two years.

00:50:54.000 Tell you what, recap that, we'll come back to the full audience.

00:50:56.000 We're about a tenth of our audience when I skip these breaks.

00:50:58.000 Ray McGovern, stay there.

00:50:59.000 Let's come back and talk about that right now.

00:51:02.000 Here we go, ladies and gentlemen.

00:51:08.000 Okay, Ray McGovern, the Israelis, heavily involved.

00:51:12.000 Well, as usual, it's good and bad.

00:51:14.000 Half the major ministers are not even Georgians, which I would think the Georgians would resent.

00:51:18.000 The really strongest contingent is Israelis, then NATO, the U.S., and some Ukrainian tank drivers.

00:51:25.000 So Israel's there. 0.72

00:51:27.000 How will the Israeli elite look at this, or how will this affect their thinking?

00:51:33.000 I mean, is this good or bad in the perspective of Israel?

00:51:37.000 Well, as usual, it's good and bad.

00:51:41.000 In other words, it's really bad for the U.S.

00:51:44.000 to take a punch in the nose of this magnitude.

00:51:50.000 It's the equivalent of what the Iraqi Prime Minister did a month and a half ago when he said, all troops out of here.

00:51:59.000 I'm not signing any agreement until you agree to a deterrent or all U.S. 0.94

00:52:03.000 troops should be out of there.

00:52:04.000 Now, if I'm an Israeli leader, and I know that part of the reason that U.S.

00:52:10.000 troops are in Iraq Is the misguided notion by the neocons that that would somehow give Israel more security?

00:52:17.000 I mean, you know, you can laugh at that now.

00:52:19.000 I mean, there were no terrorists in Iraq before the invasion, and now it's teeming with terrorists.

00:52:25.000 But anyhow, if that was one of the reasons, and now the U.S.

00:52:27.000 troops are going to be gone, well, that part of the world is much more dangerous for the Israelis.

00:52:33.000 Now, worse than that, take a look at this defeat.

00:52:37.000 You know, this obvious Punch in the nose in Ossetia, in Georgia.

00:52:43.000 How will the U.S.

00:52:43.000 react to that?

00:52:45.000 It's clear that some Israelis will say, well, you know, you can't depend on the U.S.

00:52:51.000 to come to your aid, can you?

00:52:53.000 And other Israelis would say, forget it.

00:52:56.000 Israel is not Georgia.

00:52:58.000 Israel has incredible political capital here in Washington.

00:53:03.000 And now, lest we waste any more time, we need to start a Start the kind of fracas that will lead us and lead George Bush to honor his promise to us to take care of Iran before he leaves office. 0.52

00:53:19.000 So I think, on balance, because of the increased danger of our departure from Iraq after George Bush leaves, and the situation where we have had a substantial reverse and might need something to kind of compensate for that, And I would deduce the example of when we lost those 242 marines in Lebanon.

00:53:43.000 Do you remember that?

00:53:43.000 Yes.

00:53:44.000 Do you remember what we did right after that?

00:53:46.000 Pulled out.

00:53:46.000 Remember what we did?

00:53:48.000 We went and invaded Grenada.

00:53:51.000 Grenada.

00:53:52.000 Oh yes, another diversion.

00:53:53.000 We conquered Grenada, okay?

00:53:55.000 And we showed the mice of the 82nd Airborne despite the losses in Lebanon.

00:54:01.000 So, there's going to be a big temptation on the part of the neocons and on the part of the Israelis, you know, the likudniks, the extreme... I'm not talking about the Israeli citizen in the street, I'm talking about the extremist right that has taken over the Israeli government.

00:54:15.000 There'll be a great temptation for them because of the dangers in Iraq and because of the opportunity to give the United States some sort of way to show, well, we're not just a paper tiger, we can really do things.

00:54:28.000 It's even more likely, it seems to me, that the Israelis will decide to perpetrate the kind of provocation that will almost require Iran to react, and once they do, the U.S. 0.66

00:54:41.000 will be in there with both feet because the U.S.

00:54:43.000 President has promised the world that that's exactly what he's Well, the Associated Press is reporting today, as well as other publications, that the Saudi delegation and the Egyptian delegation, meeting with the Iranian delegation yesterday, told them, do not provocate, do not give in to provocations, back down, talk sweet, because they are really planning to attack you.

00:55:05.000 I'm sure you saw that.

00:55:07.000 So overall, what are things looking like right now?

00:55:10.000 I mean, is it still a green light to go in there before or after the election?

00:55:14.000 There's no green light yet, Alex.

00:55:17.000 Although, as you know, I think the green light will flash before too long.

00:55:21.000 What we have, you know, the most important aspect of this is we have a real Donnybrook happening in the White House.

00:55:27.000 A big conflict between Vice President Cheney, Elliot Abrams, who's running our policy from the National Security Council, on the one hand, and Robert Gates, the Secretary of Defense, and Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on the other.

00:55:46.000 Mullen and Gates have made no secret of the fact, they think, that opening a third front, what they mean, of course, is striking at Iran, would be a disaster, would be a catastrophe.

00:55:56.000 It's not what Mullen wants.

00:55:58.000 He's said that about three times, and they've told the Israelis that.

00:56:01.000 Now, the question is, and this is the real question, when the Defense Minister from Israel, Barack, for example, or when the head of their intelligence or other high officials come to Washington, Usually they go to Dick Cheney's house last, okay?

00:56:19.000 And what they say is, you know, this guy Mullen and Gates, you know, those wimps, you know, they want us not to do anything against this terrible threat from Iran.

00:56:29.000 What do you think?

00:56:30.000 And if Dick Cheney winks and says, well, you know, they are kind of soft on this threat, then the Israelis are going to take their cue from Cheney and not from Gates or Mullen, and we'll be off and running. 0.54

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00:56:45.000 Three minute break and back with Ray McGovern on the other side to take some of your phone calls.

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01:00:27.000 Ray, before I take calls here in about 10 minutes for you, we're just so honored to have you with us and so blessed you spent time with us to give us your analysis.

01:00:37.000 Other areas, with Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, I mean, just in the big picture, where does it look like things are going for the United States of Europe?

01:00:46.000 If you had to project the lines out, what do you see happening in our society overall?

01:00:52.000 Because with the economy, it just all looks like an empire that's falling in on itself, oppressive domestic police states, both parties backing it.

01:01:01.000 I mean, it doesn't look good.

01:01:03.000 It doesn't at all.

01:01:06.000 The operative factor here is whether the President is really a part of reality, or whether he's pretty much already given up his tasks here.

01:01:16.000 I don't know if many of your listeners or viewers saw the interview that he gave to a Western reporter, Anchorman, in Beijing.

01:01:28.000 The fellow started by saying, Mr. President, we like to talk about the problems here in China, but of course the U.S.

01:01:34.000 has its own problems.

01:01:36.000 And Bush cut him off.

01:01:38.000 He said, wait a second, wait a second.

01:01:39.000 Problems?

01:01:41.000 The United States of America doesn't have any problems.

01:01:44.000 Now, he was serious.

01:01:47.000 And if that's his attitude, with the economy falling apart, with the stuff in Georgia going on, with Iraq and Iran, I mean, if you think there are no problems, and he's divorced from reality, he's certifiable, and it would probably be a good idea for the psychiatrists in Washington, D.C.

01:02:05.000 To try and get him committed, although, you know, you'd have to do Cheney at the same time.

01:02:10.000 So this is a very large factor.

01:02:13.000 So it really is the bizarre circumstance here that if we can get through the next five months without anything really, really bad happening, then there's some hope for the future.

01:02:24.000 But as you know, my concern is that these fellows can start a major war within the next five months.

01:02:31.000 And I see that possibility as so important and so worrying that everybody needs to do their part to get to their representatives and senators that say, look, no war on Iran, no matter how it happens, whether the Israelis start it or however it happens, it's not going to help our country and it will be a disaster for our troops. 0.63

01:02:50.000 Does it worsen things in relation to an Iran attack on air bombardment now that Georgia has been insulted and there's this escalation on their western flank and their southern flank?

01:03:05.000 Because people, I mean a lot of analysts and political scientists and folks like yourself have all been basically saying the same thing, that Russia and China could be drawn into an Iran crisis, Well, it does make it more dangerous.

01:03:16.000 in the economy, brush fires breaking out in other parts of the world.

01:03:20.000 Other countries are going to use this diversion to move on other breakaway republics.

01:03:24.000 You know, that's how World War started.

01:03:26.000 So does this make it even more dangerous now if they do go into Iran or attack Iran? 0.91

01:03:32.000 And is this heightened the chance that Russia will be somehow drawn into that?

01:03:37.000 Well, it does make it more dangerous.

01:03:40.000 You know, I mentioned the Grenada syndrome before when gets a real bloody nose, as it did in Lebanon when 242 of our Marines were killed by an explosion back in 1983, the first thing we did was try to find some place where we could demonstrate our military might, and we picked the awesome task of defeating Grenada in the Caribbean, okay?

01:04:05.000 Now, this is a bloody nose of equal magnitude.

01:04:08.000 And so there will be neoconservatives, there will be hardliners in the White House and the Pentagon who will say, look, you know, we've been given a bloody nose and we've got to demonstrate our prowess, and how better to do that than to help the Israelis defeat the Iranian, quote, threat, the nuclear threat.

01:04:28.000 So that's the Grenada Syndrome that really bothers me.

01:04:31.000 The other business, you know, The rest can just play out for the next five months, although it won't play out favorably for us. 0.99

01:04:40.000 But everyone knows that Bush is a lame duck. 0.72

01:04:44.000 One of the interesting things is that Proffitt, a very influential paper in the Soviet Union, has taken to calling our president to shut up. 1.00

01:04:54.000 An imbecile. 1.00

01:04:55.000 Yeah, and they say he's a clown. 1.00

01:04:57.000 So nobody's taken him very seriously, but everybody's worried about it.

01:05:00.000 Now, Russia looks at it and says, And I talked to a Russian producer when I was on Russian TV recently, and I said, aren't you guys worried that the U.S.

01:05:10.000 might invade, or not invade, but bomb Iran right on your southern frontier?

01:05:15.000 He looked at me, he smiled, he says, well, you know, what would happen to the price of oil if that happened?

01:05:20.000 I said, yeah.

01:05:20.000 He says, well, you know, we get all the oil, right?

01:05:23.000 Yeah, over half of it, yeah.

01:05:25.000 He says, well, you know, we'll just live a little higher on the hog here, and you guys will get even thoroughly more enmeshed in that situation.

01:05:33.000 Well, Warren McGovern, in closing before we go to calls, the problem I see here is that I coldly research and then coldly come about with my beliefs, and then I get on air and get all hothead about it so it looks like I'm wild or it looks like I'm ego-driven, and then I get on air and get all hothead about it so it And as I get older, I lose more and more of my ego.

01:05:56.000 I actually kind of miss it because it's a good propulsion system.

01:05:59.000 I can tell you don't have much of an ego.

01:06:00.000 You're more of a scientific type guy with your mindset But then when I look at these powerful people more and more, especially these neocons and others, it really seems like they are very childlike and have no sense of responsibility and that they are ego-driven.

01:06:14.000 And I'm not even saying I'm some wonderful person or you're some wonderful person, but just in life, being a father, having responsibilities or having some employees, it seems like I have more concern about the world's future than even they I don't even know what I'm really saying here. 0.97

01:06:30.000 It's like an ego-driven recklessness when you talk about the Grenada Syndrome, about needing to go kick some little island's butt so you look good or feel tough. 0.97

01:06:40.000 But then I look at the psychology and the statements and the things these people say, and it even scares me more because I realize that they really are just absolutely psychopathic. 0.99

01:06:54.000 Look at Bush and his record, even growing up as a child.

01:06:58.000 He never was held accountable for anything, Alex.

01:07:02.000 For nothing was he ever held accountable.

01:07:05.000 More recently, I remember four or five years ago, when Bob Woodward was writing books about this administration, he interviewed him and said, are you interested in your, do you care about your place in history?

01:07:18.000 And Bush said, history?

01:07:20.000 Well, I'll be dead.

01:07:22.000 Well, you know what?

01:07:22.000 I always thought that was kind of weird.

01:07:24.000 And then just two weeks ago, Bush said exactly the same thing.

01:07:28.000 History will all be dead.

01:07:30.000 So, you know, what more do you need than that to show how irresponsible or unaccountable he is?

01:07:35.000 He's not thinking about any future generations.

01:07:37.000 It's the ultimate selfishness.

01:07:39.000 It's, I don't care what people 50 years, 100 years say, because it's all about me, me, me, not his grandchildren, not his progeny, not his name, no sense of community, no sense of the future, no sense of connection to the rest of society.

01:07:53.000 And it's admitted, he brags, that he would kill little animals. 0.98

01:07:57.000 That he would torture animals to death, and that is a psychopath! 0.99

01:08:00.000 Well, he did. 0.96

01:08:01.000 He did, as a matter of fact. 0.87

01:08:02.000 He used to firecrackers in the orifices of toads back there in Texas, and then blow them up.

01:08:10.000 Colleen Rowley, my good friend, who is the FBI person, whistled on 9-11, and she tells me that if that ever appeared on the record of an applicant for employment with the FBI, the application would automatically be thrown in the And the trash, because that's a sign of subsequent psychotic behavior.

01:08:32.000 Now, let me just finish with one thing that scares me most, and that is, if we do strike Iran, Iran, as I've said before, has immense possibilities of striking back at us, to include cutting off our supply lines of our troops in Iraq. 0.90

01:08:48.000 What is the United States going to do then?

01:08:50.000 Well, somebody said, well, send in more troops.

01:08:52.000 There aren't any more troops.

01:08:54.000 But, what do we have?

01:08:55.000 We have these mini-nukes.

01:08:57.000 And that is what they're falling back on, because these nail guns, they have no real appreciation for the difference between high-explosive weaponry and the kinds of nuclear weaponry that hasn't been used since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

01:09:14.000 And so, you know, this is really bizarre, because it will be the only thing that will be available for Bush to use under those circumstances, and that's why There's a real premium on our all, doing everything we can to make sure that nothing happens that will perpetrate this kind of air attack on Iran, because the way they will retaliate might force us to either retreat ignominiously or use these, quote, mini-nukes in a way that would just let the nuclear quote, mini-nukes in a way that would just let the nuclear genie right out of the

01:09:43.000 And by the way, the only thing backing up the dollar now is the view, as this is the hegemonic lone unipolar superpower, I mean, wouldn't a U.S. rout and defeat and collapse probably bring us into depression?

01:09:56.000 Well, yeah, I think that...

01:10:00.000 Even if the worst didn't happen and the use of nuclear weapons were avoided, those streets in Hormuz would be closed.

01:10:11.000 The price of oil would skyrocket.

01:10:13.000 And we're talking about worldwide depression for all this to happen.

01:10:17.000 So most people conclude, well, then of course, McGovern, what are you worried about?

01:10:21.000 It's so crazy the President would never do that.

01:10:23.000 Well, right.

01:10:24.000 You look at what he did with respect to Iraq.

01:10:27.000 He's not really cognizant of what's going on around him in the world.

01:10:30.000 I mean, I was just telling somebody the other day, look, back in the spring, when there was all kinds of talk in the press, and even in his own press conferences run by his press secretary, you know, Fordow Oil, okay?

01:10:48.000 Now, he has his own press conference the next day, and one of the reporters said, well, how are you looking, Mr. President of Fordow Oil?

01:10:54.000 And he says, what?

01:10:56.000 That's like a fable!

01:10:57.000 That's like a Aesop's fable with the crazy king that doesn't know the city's burning and he's dancing around playing his flute or his ukulele.

01:11:05.000 I'll have to ask about that.

01:11:06.000 That's like a fable.

01:11:08.000 That's like a Aesop's fable with the crazy king that doesn't know the city's burning, and he's dancing around playing his flute or his ukulele.

01:11:17.000 I mean, it's just...

01:11:19.000 You know, I don't know what's more scary, Ray McGovern, that they... 0.86

01:11:22.000 We know they armed and trained Georgia for this, but whether they gave them the green light or not, if they gave them the green light, it shows they're crazy and miscalculated.

01:11:29.000 But if they didn't give the green light, it means that they don't even control their own puppet states, Meaning they're completely out of control.

01:11:35.000 What's more scary?

01:11:37.000 Well, the latter is more scary, because that means that just as the Georgians can think that they can get away with this kind of thing, So do the Israelis. 1.00

01:11:48.000 And the Israelis, unfortunately, will be right. 1.00

01:11:51.000 Because there's nothing that will stop the United States of America from springing to the defense of Israel, whether or not Israel starts it. 0.77

01:12:02.000 Because that's just the way the political landscape is.

01:12:04.000 And how is it going to help Israel to launch an attack on Iran? 1.00

01:12:07.000 Well, that's just the idiocy of it. 0.99

01:12:10.000 See, these people have an incredibly myopic view of their security needs. 0.99

01:12:15.000 They think That in this century they can continue, continue to just, the might makes right.

01:12:22.000 They're the strongest ones.

01:12:23.000 They're going to obliterate any opposition.

01:12:26.000 Well, that's not going to work over the long run.

01:12:28.000 And so, even in the midterm, Israel, Israel is going to suffer greatly under this myopic policy.

01:12:35.000 Well, I mean, this seems bizarre to us, but you know history.

01:12:38.000 I know it somewhat.

01:12:40.000 Really, if you study history, read that.

01:12:42.000 Read the basics of what happened.

01:12:43.000 It's always nuts getting control and doing things like this because there's nothing but yes-men around them.

01:12:49.000 They have all this power.

01:12:50.000 They're in marble-lined palaces, and they just lose touch.

01:12:55.000 You know, it's August, and there's an incredible novel, historical book called The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman.

01:13:05.000 And I would recommend it about the beginning of World War I. And I would recommend that highly to anyone who wants to read it.

01:13:12.000 She talks about all kinds of things and draws all kinds of analogies.

01:13:17.000 And she wrote a subsequent book, The March of Folly, from Troy to Vietnam.

01:13:25.000 That, too, I recommend because it shows that people can be oblivious to the realities around them, that their sycophants around the leaders can mislead them and prevent them from seeing the realities, and it's all too scary.

01:13:40.000 Read The Guns of August.

01:13:42.000 Read The March of Folly from Troy to Vietnam, both by the incredibly astute historian Barbara Tuchman.

01:13:50.000 On a separate note, read ConsortiumNews.com, Dear Colon.

01:13:55.000 Just type Ray McGovern, Dear Colon, his letter to Colin Powell about how they gave him false intelligence and lied to him, which is criminal right there.

01:14:03.000 And that's a whole other subject.

01:14:04.000 Let's jam in a few calls.

01:14:05.000 I'm going to skip this break, by the way, folks.

01:14:07.000 Laser in the UK.

01:14:09.000 Laser, you're on the air with Ray McGovern.

01:14:12.000 Hi, Alex.

01:14:13.000 Can you hear me good?

01:14:13.000 Yes, I can.

01:14:14.000 Hi, Laser.

01:14:16.000 Hi.

01:14:17.000 Um, I just wanted to touch on a few points, but I know you guys got a big problem over there.

01:14:21.000 You got toddlers in the White House.

01:14:23.000 You know, toddlers don't have the ability to empathize with their... They don't have the ability to take responsibility for their actions.

01:14:30.000 Yeah, a two-year-old baby is a good description of George Bush.

01:14:35.000 Exactly.

01:14:36.000 Now, um, I just wanted to touch on a few things.

01:14:39.000 I don't know if you guys have noticed the connection between England and Georgia.

01:14:43.000 I mean, if you take a look at their flags, The St.

01:14:48.000 George's flag of England and the Georgian flag.

01:14:50.000 There's a pretty big connection right there.

01:14:52.000 They look exactly the same.

01:14:55.000 And I wanted to talk about... I just see another medieval flag.

01:15:01.000 Exactly.

01:15:01.000 I wanted to talk about Gary McKinnon.

01:15:04.000 A guy who's... He just lives up the road for me.

01:15:07.000 He's about to be extradited to the United States for hacking into the Pentagon.

01:15:12.000 NASA computers and a couple other sensitive sites over there.

01:15:20.000 Your phone sounds like an electric razor.

01:15:22.000 Go ahead and ask a question.

01:15:23.000 I'm not mad at you.

01:15:24.000 It's just a bad phone.

01:15:25.000 Ask a question to Ray McGovern, sir.

01:15:26.000 That's who we're opening the phones up for.

01:15:32.000 To Ray McGovern, what do you think about that hacker being extradited?

01:15:38.000 And also, there is a big story up on CNN.

01:15:41.000 about U.S. at risk of cyber attacks because George was apparently attacked, I think it was last week.

01:15:47.000 I appreciate your call.

01:15:48.000 I've analyzed that cyber attack.

01:15:50.000 That was people and companies.

01:15:52.000 That was classic stuff kids did with denial of service.

01:15:55.000 And even the New York Times had to say it was not a Russian cyber attack.

01:15:58.000 Maybe Ray McGovern disagrees, right?

01:16:00.000 Well, I think the cyber situation is very important.

01:16:05.000 And the fact that the Pentagon computers could be hacked is a case in point.

01:16:13.000 I'd like to respond to Lisa's comment about the toddlers.

01:16:19.000 I just helped my grandson in his nursery school and was talking with one of the teachers afterwards and asked her, you know, what do you try to teach children at this age, in the age of four?

01:16:33.000 And she said, oh, it's very simple.

01:16:34.000 We teach them how to share.

01:16:38.000 Chaney and Bush must have missed nursery school.

01:16:43.000 Because at the basis of all this, it has to do with a limited amount of natural resources in this world and the need to share them.

01:16:53.000 Not to attack and occupy the country with the second largest world deposits, but to work out some sort of a deal with Russia, with China, with India, with the real, other people with real needs for these national resources, natural resources, to share.

01:17:09.000 And once you don't have any concept of sharing, and you have the kind of military strength that we have, well, that's what brings this kind of situation.

01:17:17.000 So it's a good point.

01:17:20.000 Well, I agree, but this isn't even sharing.

01:17:21.000 This isn't their oil, this isn't their gas. 0.65

01:17:24.000 And they act like everything's theirs.

01:17:25.000 So I guess that is kind of like a toddler, where they just think everything is theirs.

01:17:29.000 Yeah, I never learned that.

01:17:30.000 I wish they could go back to, you know, being four years old again, where maybe we could retrain them. 0.72

01:17:35.000 Yeah, Lazer, that was a good point you made.

01:17:37.000 We're going to skip this final break, take a few calls for Ray McGovern, come back and let him have a few minutes of any closing comments.

01:17:44.000 But Helen and George and others, we're going to you here in just a moment.

01:17:49.000 Don't forget the editorial he's put out.

01:17:51.000 It's excellent, a piece.

01:17:53.000 It's Dear Colon by Ray McGovern, ConsortiumNews.com.

01:17:56.000 Okay, here we go.

01:17:57.000 Okay, let's go to Helen in Florida. 0.90

01:18:08.000 You're on the air, Helen.

01:18:11.000 Yes.

01:18:12.000 Yeah, you're on the air.

01:18:13.000 Hi, Helen.

01:18:15.000 I wanted to ask you if you happen to notice a flip of the control the media has.

01:18:21.000 These phones are all really bad.

01:18:22.000 Can you talk right into that?

01:18:25.000 Yes.

01:18:25.000 A few nights ago on the news, I think it was Brian Williams, the comment was made.

01:18:30.000 It showed a scene of a woman who was very badly wounded.

01:18:34.000 And a Russian soldier was helping her and said she'd been shot by a Georgian soldier.

01:18:40.000 And that was kind of a slip that they let out.

01:18:42.000 Yeah, that's a whole other subject, and I'm glad you brought this up, Helen.

01:18:45.000 What about the contempt of the corporate media quietly announcing in each report that it was all a sneak attack by Georgia that precipitated the Russians coming in?

01:18:54.000 But I saw headlines in the news like, Georgia attacked by Russia, and I have people on the street telling me I'm a liar, I'm getting calls even on air saying that I'm basically a communist, that I'm siding with Russia, and that Georgia didn't attack Russia.

01:19:08.000 And then McCain comes out and Bush come out and say, you don't attack nations in the 21st century, you don't invade them.

01:19:15.000 I mean, again, it's more than just delusional.

01:19:19.000 It's like they're inviting the public to be part of the delusion.

01:19:21.000 Right, McGovern?

01:19:22.000 Well, it's the Russians that don't invade other countries.

01:19:27.000 We can invade Iraq. 0.99

01:19:30.000 It's really a function of how low the media have become here and the fact that American citizens can no longer learn what's really going on in the world unless they tune in to radio programs like yours or read the alternative press.

01:19:47.000 You know, one of the more bizarre reflections of this, Alex, was Fox News carrying an interview with a 12-year-old girl who was in South Ossetia when it was attacked.

01:20:00.000 And she talked about how terrible it was, hiding in the cellar with all these bombs and rockets going off.

01:20:05.000 And who rescued them?

01:20:06.000 The Russians! 0.98

01:20:07.000 Now guess what?

01:20:08.000 As she was getting to the portion to say who rescued them, they went to break.

01:20:13.000 An early break, I would add.

01:20:16.000 And then when they came back, they forgot that segment.

01:20:19.000 Well, Shepard Smith added, we have the clip, we played it.

01:20:22.000 I'm glad you brought that up, Ray.

01:20:24.000 He says that's what Russia wants you to believe, and ended the segment.

01:20:28.000 Yeah, well you know, what we have here now is one of the Russians, One of the Russian television stations putting on air what actually happened, and excoriating the biased U.S.

01:20:46.000 press for the way they handle things.

01:20:48.000 Now, we've come a long way from my days of analyzing the Soviet Union, when of course they had a regime-controlled press.

01:20:55.000 Now we have the Russians accusing us of precisely the same thing, and sorrowfully, they have a very good point. 1.00

01:21:02.000 Absolutely.

01:21:03.000 Here we go back in the final segment.

01:21:08.000 Real fast, George in Iowa.

01:21:10.000 Last caller for Ray McGovern.

01:21:11.000 Go ahead.

01:21:11.000 Hi, George.

01:21:14.000 I actually have three subjects, but since there's not a lot of time, I wanted to talk about The original 13th Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

01:21:27.000 Okay, letters of nobility that our leaders can't be sold out to foreign interests, kind of like the Logan Act?

01:21:33.000 Yep.

01:21:35.000 Why isn't it there?

01:21:38.000 Why isn't it applicable to George Bush's ties with Saudi Arabia?

01:21:43.000 Well, of course it is, but what the problem is is Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats just don't have the Well, it's not that they lack the guts, although that's also true. 0.93

01:21:54.000 They see a political advantage in just letting this thing simmer and not allow themselves to be accused by Fox News of being disruptive or divisive before the election.

01:22:05.000 Plus, a lot of power has been grabbed and they want that power.

01:22:09.000 Don't think any of these mechanisms that have been built up that are unconstitutional are going away, right?

01:22:13.000 Yeah, once this precedent is laid, it's going to be very difficult.

01:22:20.000 You know, power is never given up.

01:22:23.000 It's got to be prevented from the kind of accretion that we've seen so far.

01:22:28.000 And if we don't stand up, if there is no move toward impeachment, that's why I wrote the letter to Colin Powell.

01:22:34.000 You know, it really is incredible.

01:22:37.000 What happened here is that the head of the Iraqi intelligence, the head of the Iraqi intelligence, mind you, And the foreign minister, both of whom Saddam Hussein thought were working for him, were really working for us.

01:22:50.000 And what did they tell us?

01:22:52.000 Well, the foreign minister told us six months before the invasion, there are no weapons of mass destruction.

01:22:58.000 And he was verified.

01:22:59.000 He was verified in terms of what else he had told us.

01:23:02.000 And the Iraqi intelligence chief told us in January, so well before Powell's speech, that there were no weapons of mass destruction.

01:23:11.000 So my letter to Powell on Consortium.news says, look, If you were told this, you weren't.

01:23:16.000 If you weren't, for God's sake, you should be raising holy hell and going to Conyers than anybody else.

01:23:22.000 Yeah, this is open and shut. 0.90

01:23:24.000 They're criminals, it's a fact, and Powell becomes complicit in all this by now not blowing the whistle.

01:23:29.000 Thank you, George, for the call.

01:23:30.000 Ray McGovern, an amazing 50-minute interview.

01:23:33.000 Thank you for all your time, and thank you for everything you do.

01:23:35.000 God bless you.

01:23:36.000 You're very welcome.

01:23:37.000 There goes Ray McGovern.

01:23:39.000 We are out of time.

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01:23:59.000 It's just another scam, another fraud.

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