Alex Jones Show - 20080821_Thu_Alex

00:00:01.000 Shane Geiger, the InfoWars.com reporter that got his question asked at NIST in our big whitewash, is going to be joining us in the next segment.

00:00:23.000 We've got Jason Burmas in studio with us.

00:00:25.000 We're streaming live right now on PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:00:30.000 And we got Jason Burmas in studio with us.

00:00:32.000 I'm going to miss Jason Burmas.

00:00:34.000 He's been down here for, what, five plus months and we just really enjoy having him with us.

00:00:44.000 And he's going to come back down and make another film with us next year.

00:00:48.000 I've really gotten attached to having Burmy, he hates that nickname, everybody needs to start using it, here with us in town, but he'll be back with the InfoWars team.

00:00:59.000 But we've got Mark Dice, who I want to have Again, on, talk about his book when I get back into town.

00:01:06.000 But right now, I wanted to play some audio.

00:01:08.000 The video is up on YouTube.

00:01:10.000 We're going to get it posted.

00:01:11.000 And they talk about me a bunch.

00:01:12.000 They talk about his evil, saying he wants to investigate 9-11.

00:01:16.000 He does backpedal.

00:01:18.000 He does say, basically, that it points towards inside job.

00:01:20.000 He was on my show.

00:01:21.000 So, drum course, he is backpedaling.

00:01:23.000 It's all over the New York Times, you name it.

00:01:26.000 They're really trying to attack him that way.

00:01:28.000 So, let's go ahead and play about a minute of this.

00:01:30.000 Here it is.

00:01:32.000 Last week, the Obama campaign released a 40-page manifesto criticizing the book.

00:01:35.000 Joining us now to respond to these attacks is Jerome Corsi.

00:01:40.000 I would propose that you've attacked Obama.

00:01:42.000 You started the attacks.

00:01:43.000 Here is some of the stuff that Obama has talked about.

00:01:47.000 And some of the things, we've already covered a lot of this in your book.

00:01:47.000 Sure.

00:01:49.000 We've gone through some of the crazy things you've said.

00:01:51.000 Right.

00:01:52.000 That's all past.

00:01:53.000 But some of the things you've said, for example, about John McCain.

00:01:55.000 You said, as John McCain assumes a GOP frontrunner mantle, his little nose association with donors like George Soros and Theresa Hines carry.

00:02:02.000 We're not after him.

00:02:04.000 You're talking about McCain.

00:02:04.000 Yes, I am.

00:02:05.000 I'm talking about something.

00:02:06.000 You know, I've got a bunch of friends who are emailing me saying, is there any way that I can get Senator Obama to attack their book?

00:02:13.000 But you also said John McCain's personal fortune traces back to organized crime in America.

00:02:17.000 You've really gone after John McCain.

00:02:18.000 Look, I'm not voting for John McCain.

00:02:20.000 I've attacked George W. Bush.

00:02:22.000 Look at my last book, The Late Great USA.

00:02:24.000 It became a New York Times bestseller, too.

00:02:26.000 And you know, Alan, I'm going to vote for Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party.

00:02:30.000 I wrote this book that I think the most dangerous candidate running.

00:02:34.000 So far left is Barack Obama.

00:02:36.000 The Obama people have also pointed out some of the other things you've done.

00:02:38.000 For example, you had a project that you were planning for January to expose what you call the government's inedible explanations about 9-11 attacks.

00:02:45.000 We should have researched more of that article.

00:02:47.000 It never got published.

00:02:48.000 Well, but you can, but they never publish it.

00:02:51.000 We didn't publish it, Alan.

00:02:51.000 No, no, I wish if they'd researched it, I withdrew the article because I was not convinced by the evidence.

00:02:56.000 And you were on Alex Jones' show.

00:02:57.000 You were discussing the findings of Stephen Jones, the physicist.

00:02:58.000 Well, that's real partial.

00:02:59.000 I didn't publish it.

00:03:01.000 Sure, go ahead.

00:03:01.000 Let me just get the question up again.

00:03:02.000 Because he's considered a hero of the 9-11 truth movement, and you were defending his claim that there was evidence the World Trade Center collapsed because of explosives inside the building.

00:03:10.000 We didn't publish it, Alan.

00:03:11.000 But that's your belief, right?

00:03:12.000 No, I withdrew the article.

00:03:14.000 I published instead an article, which they didn't, the Obama camp didn't find, validating the findings of the article.

00:03:20.000 But what you said on Alex Jones Show, which is on tape, defending that position.

00:03:25.000 I withdrew it, it never got published.

00:03:27.000 Alex was interviewing me in the middle of research.

00:03:29.000 And by the way, Alan, that research would not have supported this whole crazy idea that the government caused 9-11.

00:03:35.000 It might have said that there was some evidence yet to look at and some questions to raise.

00:03:39.000 I've never published anything in support of Alex Jones Show.

00:03:43.000 You're misinterpreting that.

00:03:44.000 I said I was looking at the evidence, Alan, and we didn't publish it.

00:03:47.000 You were defending what Jesus said.

00:03:50.000 Now I'm like Pastor Wright or something, but on courtesy.

00:03:55.000 And it goes on and on.

00:03:57.000 We'll play more of it later if we have to.

00:03:59.000 We have an anthrax expert coming up with really bombshell info.

00:04:03.000 I want to say bye to Mark Dice.

00:04:05.000 We also have the reporter, Shane Geiger, InfoWars reporter, that really did a great job confronting the NIS report today.

00:04:12.000 It's all coming up.

00:04:13.000 Stay with us.

00:04:17.000 You are listening to GCN.

00:04:18.000 Alright, let's keep rolling.

00:04:20.000 Visit GCNlive.com today.

00:04:23.000 Yeah, let's keep rolling.

00:04:23.000 I want to talk to Dice.

00:04:26.000 Let me talk to Mark right now.

00:04:28.000 Thanks.

00:04:31.000 Hey, Mark?

00:04:32.000 Yeah?

00:04:32.000 Now we're still on air right now at PrisonPlanet.tv, just to let you know we're back live with a full AM and FM audience in one minute.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, let me just get you on, not next week because I'm out of town, but the week after.

00:04:43.000 And I do want to carry the resistance manifesto.

00:04:46.000 Your first one was great, but this one's even better.

00:04:49.000 So I need to talk to you about that today, get that nailed down.

00:04:51.000 But just go ahead and mail me.

00:04:53.000 200 of these bad boys, and I just want to really thank you for all you've done.

00:04:58.000 I want you to come back and, you know, briefly comment on the 9-11 situation with Bermas.

00:05:04.000 Then I want to get this other reporter up, Shane Geiger, who got into the NIS folks.

00:05:09.000 And then make sure, John, that Trey has called Professor Boyle to move him to about 15 after.

00:05:17.000 Okay.

00:05:18.000 Alright, here we go folks.

00:05:19.000 Total transparency behind the scenes.

00:05:21.000 We're coming back live with Bernie, Mark Dice, and of course Shane Geiger.

00:05:27.000 Stay with us.

00:05:27.000 War on corruption.

00:05:30.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:05:33.000 We got Derek out there.

00:05:34.000 Get ready for Real Talk Radio.

00:05:47.000 That's what this radio transmission has always been about.

00:05:50.000 It's really the original name of this radio show.

00:05:53.000 It's also been called the Final Edition.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, when I would do the last live show at a local station.

00:06:00.000 Okay, we got Mark Dice with us, the resistance band Mephisto.

00:06:02.000 We're gonna have him back on.

00:06:03.000 Get it at markdice.com.

00:06:06.000 I want to shift into 9-11.

00:06:08.000 Burmess, what do you think of Mr. Corsi, and what do you think of Mark Dice and what we just heard with him?

00:06:14.000 It's throwing me under the bus.

00:06:16.000 Oh, he's definitely throwing you under the bus a wee bit, but also, you know, I think Combs is throwing you under the bus.

00:06:21.000 He also was contacted by you, has been on the show, and, you know, he's the little Democratic cheerleader there, the little psy-op on that end of the spectrum.

00:06:30.000 And he just loves to use you to discredit people when, in fact, Corsi a couple times just tried to say, look, I'm looking at the physicist's evidence.

00:06:37.000 And, of course, he did have to backpedal and say, maybe there were some unanswered questions.

00:06:41.000 But I'm saying that, you know, there's no way that the government helped cause 9-1-1.

00:06:44.000 And, by the way, Corsi says his publisher will, quote, not let him come on the show when he's under contract.

00:06:50.000 Well, I mean, you got snubbed on Geraldo the other day and other Fox News.

00:06:53.000 Yeah, they drove me down there, had me sit there.

00:06:55.000 That's why I've always refused to fly there.

00:06:57.000 They're always trying to get me to fly to New York, like it's some Murdoch joke.

00:07:01.000 And the last guy I sent up there, the plane almost crashed.

00:07:03.000 It was like dropping 2,000 feet in thunderstorms.

00:07:06.000 I'm sure that's a coincidence.

00:07:07.000 Of course it is, yeah.

00:07:09.000 You've probably got some New World Order person down there in the witch's hat and a thing like, ah, Xaramon! 0.99

00:07:14.000 I'll get you, Jones!

00:07:16.000 Anyways, it's crazy.

00:07:17.000 Mark Dice, final comments.

00:07:20.000 I want to announce, and I'll do this when I'm back on your show in a couple weeks, for, you know, 9-11, the anniversary's coming up here in about three weeks, and for those who can't make it to New York, or who can't go out to a local rally, or who just want to get involved but don't know what to do, I want to just announce Operation Phone Mob.

00:07:35.000 So, I think on 9-11, it's a Thursday.

00:07:37.000 Details will be posted at markdice.com.

00:07:40.000 I'll email that out to everybody.

00:07:42.000 I think that we need to get hundreds of people to call into the radio talk shows on that day.

00:07:46.000 And let's get every single phone call to be one of us.

00:07:50.000 Let's address the issues, let's use it as an opportunity.

00:07:52.000 And what do you think of Corsi?

00:07:53.000 I mean, this is becoming a big issue.

00:07:55.000 You know, there was some cross-talk there between him and Combs, but he said, I don't know if people made it out, but he said he's never written anything in support of the 9-11 Truth Movement.

00:08:05.000 He's in a rough position, but again, he's got a lot of responsibility.

00:08:10.000 He probably knows the truth.

00:08:11.000 Yeah, he's the darling of the hardcore neocons, and then he's saying he's looking at Evans of Inside Job, and they're saying he's delusional about the North American Union.

00:08:22.000 You know what it is?

00:08:22.000 It's almost like when Ron Paul was initially interviewed by Student Scholars and he said he would support a new investigation, although he didn't believe that it would really tell the truth, and then he'd even have to backpedal from that position when he got bigger.

00:08:35.000 Well, of course he was able to come on your show, talk about Thermite, but now that he's a New York Times number one bestseller and he's on all these shows, it's time to back off a bit, because 9-11 truth is just still too hot for some people.

00:08:46.000 Oh yeah, they all know.

00:08:47.000 They all know, every single one of them.

00:08:49.000 His book's already a best-seller at this point.

00:08:51.000 I think he has nothing to lose.

00:08:53.000 He should just come out hard-hitting and just state the facts.

00:08:57.000 You know, I understand that his publisher is trying to backpedal and protect their financial... I mean, he's always asking to come on the show because he knows my audience, with a few other shows, can push it up the New York Times bestseller list.

00:09:09.000 And I think his book's important, and you know, he's being attacked for saying it's disinfo.

00:09:13.000 No, they're not attacking him on the book itself.

00:09:15.000 They're attacking him on North American Union or 9-11.

00:09:20.000 And so that's another issue.

00:09:22.000 Why aren't they attacking him on the issues the book covers, Bernie?

00:09:27.000 Well, I mean, they've got some minute errors in there and they blow them out of proportion for the book, but like you said, they don't want to address the main stuff.

00:09:34.000 I mean, he does get in the SPP right after the discussion about you on Hannity and Combs, you know, Securities and Prosperities Partnership.

00:09:41.000 So the guy's obviously very, very smart.

00:09:43.000 He's very, very hip to what this movement's doing.

00:09:45.000 I do hope he comes out a little stronger for 9-11 Truth. 0.87

00:09:48.000 I don't expect it.

00:09:50.000 His words can't be taken back.

00:09:51.000 That interview with you is monumental and should be played all over the place.

00:09:54.000 I mean, let's be honest.

00:09:56.000 Without 9-11 Truth, we're never going to take this country back.

00:09:59.000 They're going to keep staging more.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, and he can vote for Chuck Baldwin all he wants.

00:10:03.000 It's not going to help us.

00:10:04.000 And Chuck Baldwin isn't admitted to 9-11 Truth.

00:10:06.000 He knows all about the New World Order. 0.92

00:10:08.000 Oh, that's a nexus point.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, of course.

00:10:11.000 Let's just go ahead and do it.

00:10:12.000 Dr. Corsi denies 9-11 Truth but supports 9-11 Truth candidate.

00:10:16.000 Hey, Mark Dice, thanks for coming on with us.

00:10:19.000 No problem.

00:10:20.000 Good to have you here.

00:10:20.000 We'll have you back up in two weeks, week and a half.

00:10:22.000 There he goes, great guy.

00:10:24.000 Mark Dice, ResistanceManifesto.com, MarkDice.com.

00:10:27.000 My website's InfoWars.com, BurmaSistersBurmy.com.

00:10:31.000 We'll be right back with Derek and the whole crew.

00:10:34.000 Stay with us.

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00:13:42.000 We have Professor Francis A. Boyle joining us in about five minutes.

00:13:47.000 By the way, I'm on in Toronto tonight for an hour with Richard Serra.

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00:13:52.000 Francis Boyle with huge anthrax news in T-minus five minutes.

00:13:56.000 Finishing up with Jason Burmess.

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00:14:03.000 Ships out September 1st.

00:14:06.000 Going to Shane Geiger, who I appreciate holding.

00:14:10.000 Shane just popped by and said, can I say I'm an InfoWars freelance reporter?

00:14:13.000 We said sure.

00:14:14.000 They called and checked with NIST that he really was going.

00:14:17.000 They had their little meeting.

00:14:18.000 He got his question out and they shut him down.

00:14:21.000 So just giving some background, Shane Geiger, tell listeners what happened, where this was, how you got the question in, and what happened.

00:14:30.000 Hi Alex, thanks so much for having me on the show.

00:14:33.000 Oh, thank you.

00:14:35.000 Yeah, it's a pleasure.

00:14:37.000 You know, I was basically making some statements that were backed up.

00:14:42.000 I mean, this is fact.

00:14:44.000 I was just stating what had been in the Twin Towers report, and then I stated some things about the back and forth between the Stephen Jones camp and this.

00:14:57.000 Stephen Jones did a Data Quality Assurance Act request.

00:15:01.000 And NIST replied back in September of 2007 stating that they are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse, and they also stated that they did not conduct tests for explosive residue.

00:15:16.000 Yeah, they won't do mathematic equations, they'll just show us video computer composites that any 14 year old with a case of Hot Pockets and Jolt Cola can make.

00:15:29.000 Right, so this should sound very familiar to NIST because, you know, they were involved in this back and forth.

00:15:35.000 And yet, this was at the point in my questioning where I was basically shut down.

00:15:42.000 And I had a few other things I tried to get out after that.

00:15:45.000 I'm very interested in the scientific method being applied to the research of all the 9-11 Truthers, and you know, the other people who are looking... Well, describe where this was, how you were able to get this out.

00:15:59.000 I mean, tell us the locale.

00:16:01.000 Tell us what it was like.

00:16:01.000 Tell us, you know, you were there.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, we were in this 11-story nondescript building on the NIST campus.

00:16:10.000 I'm glad it didn't collapse on us.

00:16:13.000 It probably would have collapsed in about two or three seconds.

00:16:15.000 Well, if somebody would have put a big lighter up against it, it would have been up to steel columns.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, well, it was just kind of surreal.

00:16:23.000 I was there among reporters from the AP, New York Times, Fox, the ZDF, which is the second station in Germany.

00:16:34.000 I was actually talking after the event with somebody who's involved in the making of The Third Tower.

00:16:42.000 So he's working with Mike Rudin of the BBC.

00:16:46.000 So I got a lot of... It was really great to get some Media contacts.

00:16:50.000 Thanks so much for that, Alex.

00:16:52.000 And I was just, I was surrounded by all these people who, you know, obviously have an axe to grind.

00:17:01.000 These people were sort of, you know, standoffish and it was not really a friendly environment.

00:17:08.000 In fact, I think it was somewhat telling that as soon as they started, you know, calling NIST on these bear assertions, The lights actually went out in the room, so it felt a little unfriendly from that second on, and the microphone started moving away from me. 0.92

00:17:29.000 This is just totally ridiculous.

00:17:31.000 I travel halfway across the country to ask questions, and I have to show up under the pretext of being a reporter.

00:17:39.000 When it's not enough to be a concerned U.S.

00:17:42.000 citizen to show up here.

00:17:43.000 Well, you are an InfoWars reporter and you did a great job.

00:17:46.000 Now, Burmess, you've been analyzing this, you've seen what happened.

00:17:49.000 They're also backing away from their log, as we have the video.

00:17:52.000 The front of the building has some windows knocked out, but they say in their report, a third of the building knocked out in the front.

00:17:57.000 That's the South case, actually.

00:17:58.000 Yeah, yeah, the south face of the building and we have the videos where there's a few windows blown out but we obviously see the guy walk into the building and then go up the escalator into the main lobby so there's not, well I believe what they said was a quarter of the building or somewhere between 10 and 12 stories scooped out of the building.

00:18:13.000 Well their new model has no scoop out and they don't even claim... Oh, so the new lies for old!

00:18:18.000 Yeah, yeah, there's no scoop out, they don't even mention the quote-unquote scoop out so they've retracted that statement.

00:18:24.000 Now they're also saying it wasn't the fuel oil tanks And they're also saying it's unbelievable what this actually comes closer.

00:18:30.000 Well, they're saying that although no other building has even come close to this kind of structural damage, I guess, from hundreds of degrees less than known fires, that's what they did.

00:18:40.000 It was the thermal expansion of columns located near the center of the building.

00:18:44.000 They're also claiming that that's why the rooftop, the line, falls first.

00:18:49.000 Okay, and then they say the facade falls with it.

00:18:51.000 Now, they say in the very beginning that they did test for explosives, but later in the press conference they backtracked, and Shane, I believe, is the one that talked about this.

00:19:00.000 They backtracked and said, well, we never even considered thermite.

00:19:04.000 It's just such a ludicrous hypothesis that we never tested for it.

00:19:08.000 Of course, the NIS guys all happen to be top experts in explosive thermite when no one else is.

00:19:13.000 It just so happens they're top experts.

00:19:16.000 Yeah, and you know, again, the molten metal is never addressed.

00:19:19.000 It's not addressed in this.

00:19:20.000 And now they're making it into a standards issue and saying that skyscrapers need to re-evaluate how they've been built.

00:19:27.000 I mean, it's a total lie!

00:19:28.000 Plus, this thing had a special bunker built inside of it to withstand nuclear attacks, but it magically, you put a big lighter to it, it just combines.

00:19:36.000 Hey, you know what's really upsetting is that, again, this was New York's number one spook house, located in the center of Manhattan. 0.53

00:19:44.000 Largest CIA base outside of Langley, Virginia.

00:19:47.000 FBI, largest secret service office in the world.

00:19:51.000 And the Office of Emergency Management.

00:19:53.000 But now the building has a small fire and it's falling on its own?

00:19:55.000 Well, the Office of Emergency Management was also hooked into the Pentagon 24-7.

00:19:59.000 We show that in Fabled Enemies.

00:20:01.000 And it had blueprints of every single building in New York City.

00:20:04.000 And in Fabled Enemies, we show you how immediately after the building collapsed, the FBI set up teams with binoculars watching the rescue workers to make sure they didn't take anything out of that building that was incriminating.

00:20:17.000 Now Jason, I want you to set up InfoWars reporter Shane Geiger for 30 minutes tomorrow.

00:20:21.000 You're sitting in for me as I get ready to go to Denver.

00:20:23.000 We need to go to Professor Francis A. Boyle here in just a moment.

00:20:26.000 Do we have him?

00:20:28.000 Yes, he's all set.

00:20:29.000 Okay, good.

00:20:29.000 I don't want to make him hold anymore.

00:20:31.000 We just got overbooked today.

00:20:32.000 His information is so important.

00:20:34.000 Shane, let me set you up, because you went to the SNS report for 30 minutes tomorrow, at least with Jason.

00:20:40.000 So let me have Trey and Jason right now call you and get that set up. 0.99

00:20:44.000 Thank you, Jason Burmas, for that information.

00:20:46.000 Thank you.

00:20:47.000 All right, this is a very, very serious issue.

00:20:50.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I apologize, I was screwing around earlier here in the studio, but Jason's about to leave town.

00:20:54.000 He's been with us for five months, so we're just having some fun.

00:20:56.000 Very, very dark times, very, very serious things that we are dealing with here.

00:21:01.000 Thank you.

00:21:01.000 Shane Geiger, we'll talk to you tomorrow.

00:21:04.000 It was a pleasure, Alex.

00:21:05.000 You bet.

00:21:05.000 Thank you.

00:21:06.000 You can go through it all tomorrow with people.

00:21:08.000 Okay, for the next 45 minutes, I am very honored.

00:21:10.000 We're going to skip a few of the breaks for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers and InfoWars.com streamlisters because this is too important information in the time we have left.

00:21:19.000 If I went over Professor Boyle's bio, it would take hours, but he's written international weapons, bioweapons conventions.

00:21:26.000 He's been a top-level analyst for the federal government in that capacity.

00:21:31.000 It just goes on and on with his lengthy bio.

00:21:35.000 And last time he was on with us, I guess about a year and a half ago, an article that Steve Watson wrote about it was published in scores of newspapers and one of the largest magazines in the country and some foreign newspapers as well, dealing with the fact that he was saying the anthrax was an inside job.

00:21:50.000 Now I've got my mother-in-law that doesn't even believe my show calling up thinking the government did it. 1.00

00:21:55.000 Should we put him on the list now?

00:21:56.000 I'm sure.

00:21:57.000 Now I've got just all over, everyone saying it's complete bull.

00:22:01.000 Mainstream media saying it's complete bull.

00:22:03.000 You look at the whole story.

00:22:04.000 They grab this other Patsy, put him in the hospital, murder him clearly, then say that he was always who they knew did it, while they persecuted Steven Hatfield.

00:22:12.000 We have this other guy, Dr. Philip Zach, breaking in to the bioweapons lab when he didn't even work there, not getting in trouble, still at another bioweapons lab.

00:22:21.000 It's the most weaponized US anthrax ever seen.

00:22:23.000 The FBI destroys the original samples so that it can't be proven and so they can claim that that this Dr. Ivins cooked it up in his bathtub or in a basement.

00:22:33.000 Just the miniaturization process takes over $100 million worth of equipment.

00:22:37.000 It's the size of a gymnasium.

00:22:39.000 It just goes on and on.

00:22:41.000 But we have a bioweapons expert on with us.

00:22:43.000 Sir, I know you don't like talking about yourself, but we're about to break.

00:22:46.000 Give us some of your background, though, and your expertise on this and your bold stance a year and a half ago that's now being echoed by people at Fort Detrick saying Ivins couldn't have done this.

00:22:57.000 And as the plot really thickens and as their cover-up implodes.

00:23:02.000 Right.

00:23:02.000 Well, the day the technology on the Daschle letter was revealed in the New York Times I immediately called Marion Spike Bowman, who is a high-level counterintelligence official at the FBI.

00:23:21.000 And in fact, it turns out, was also the person who spiked the FBI's warrant for the Moussaoui computer.

00:23:31.000 But that's another issue.

00:23:33.000 But before we go, tell folks who you are.

00:23:38.000 I'm getting to that.

00:23:39.000 He knew me because I had drafted the United States Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that was passed unanimously by both houses of the United States Congress and signed into law by President Bush Sr.

00:23:59.000 That legislation was the U.S. 0.97

00:24:01.000 domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention And Mr. Bowman and I had met each other at a terrorism conference at the University of Michigan Law School.

00:24:17.000 In any event, I told Mr. Bowman, this was in October of 2001, that the only people who had the capability to do this would be those individuals working at either United States government labs

00:24:37.000 uh... or uh... private contractors uh... and things of this nature and that it obviously uh... seem to me this was u s government uh... related um... he took the uh... information down and uh... said he would pass it on to the appropriate people handing the handling the investigation i hung up

00:25:03.000 And then it occurred to me that I had a complete list of who all these people were and what these labs were.

00:25:11.000 Going back to my work on getting the legislation through.

00:25:15.000 Absolutely.

00:25:15.000 We're going to skip this break for stations out there and then just come right back into the main segment in four minutes with our guest, a really top bioweapons expert, helped write some of the major international treaties for the United States, Francis A. Boyle, and we are continuing skipping this break.

00:25:35.000 Okay, Mr. Boyle, continue.

00:25:38.000 Oh, sure.

00:25:41.000 I called him back and I said, you know, I have a complete list here of when the program was in the public record.

00:25:51.000 And here's some of the names and some of the facilities.

00:25:55.000 And I went through, through not all of it, but I went, you know, I went down the list and I told him where he could get this list.

00:26:04.000 And then I said, and it's also been reported this summer that the CIA was engaged in a uh... anthrax work as well uh... you could get the uh... c.i.a.

00:26:15.000 list from the uh... from the c.i.a.

00:26:19.000 and then you know we talked some more and he said well he you know the f.b.i.

00:26:24.000 was was working with fort detrick and i said well fort detrick could very well be the problem here uh... that you had uh... someone like a timothy mcveigh Who was once on the reservation and now off the reservation.

00:26:43.000 So he said again he would communicate this to the people in charge of the investigation.

00:26:49.000 Instead they ran around everywhere saying that it was somebody in a bathtub or in a bucket making it.

00:26:54.000 And now we know the White House ordered Robert Mueller to say it was Iraq, that it was Al Qaeda, and boy that really shows them being complicit.

00:27:04.000 But please continue.

00:27:06.000 Well, it was even worse than that, Alex, in that at that point, you know, I had assumed good faith on the part of the FBI in this investigation because, you know, it had killed several people.

00:27:19.000 It had shut down the United States Congress, which I think was probably the greatest political crime ever inflicted on our republic in its history.

00:27:32.000 But then I read that the FBI had authorized the destruction of the U.S.

00:27:39.000 government's Ames Strain collection in Ames, Iowa.

00:27:46.000 Ames Strain was the strain responsible for U.S.

00:27:51.000 biowarfare programs.

00:27:53.000 Everyone knew that.

00:27:55.000 And indeed, that's all now been confirmed.

00:27:58.000 You can read it in today's New York Times.

00:28:00.000 There's a story right in there.

00:28:02.000 Of course, we all said this six and a half years ago, but we're still cooks.

00:28:07.000 Right.

00:28:07.000 So, when I read the FBI had destroyed the entire Ames Strain collection in Ames, Iowa, I knew a cover-up was underway, because you could have taken the FBI, legitimate scientific researchers could have taken that collection and used it to genetically reconstruct

00:28:32.000 Precisely where and when and how the weapon came from.

00:28:40.000 And they destroyed it.

00:28:42.000 This was clearly a federal crime in its own right.

00:28:46.000 Destruction of justice.

00:28:48.000 So it was obvious that that evidence all should have been preserved as evidence of a crime.

00:28:54.000 I used to teach criminal law here, so it was obvious they were covering up and covering up uh... ever since indeed if you read today's new york times they also come up with this uh... statement they admit that uh...ivan's uh... submitted a uh... uh... uh... a culture to them which they promptly destroyed so there you have a uh... yet again

00:29:20.000 another uh... instance of destruction of evidence obstruction of justice by the f_b_i_ as As hurriedly as they could. 0.78

00:29:30.000 Okay, we're going to come back in with some stations.

00:29:33.000 Joining us to continue right now with our guest.

00:29:38.000 What would you do if you knew all that things were new?

00:29:43.000 Would you stand up for true?

00:29:45.000 Why would you turn away to you?

00:29:49.000 Frances Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. 0.88

00:29:54.000 He's a graduate of the University of Chicago and Harvard Law School.

00:29:57.000 He's also received a Ph.D.

00:29:58.000 in political science from Harvard University.

00:30:06.000 Just had a bio, it's too long to go over, but he's written international bioweapons conventions for the Federal Government, advised Congress, written some of the biggest publications out there.

00:30:17.000 The list just goes on and on.

00:30:21.000 He's currently a member of the Nobel Prize for Governor George H. Ryan Committee.

00:30:28.000 Okay, continuing, sir, with the FBI covering up this evidence, covering up the original AIM strain, destroying them.

00:30:35.000 Then they find other samples that other people had that they gave them.

00:30:40.000 They destroy it immediately.

00:30:41.000 You're saying crimes, obstruction of justice.

00:30:45.000 Why are they covering it up?

00:30:46.000 Well, then we have the White House on Cipro, the anthrax-fighting antibiotic.

00:30:49.000 Weeks before the anthrax letters show up, admitting that arrogantly.

00:30:53.000 We have political enemies of the Bushes getting it.

00:30:55.000 They use it as a smoke screen to pass the Patriot Act.

00:30:58.000 They're pressuring the FBI, now public, ordering them to say Al-Qaeda, Al-CIA did it.

00:31:04.000 I mean, this is the most open and shut case ever for the federal government, criminal elements of it, launching the anthrax attack.

00:31:11.000 Then you have the cover-up, the patsies.

00:31:13.000 I mean, break that down for us.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, I think it's all clear.

00:31:17.000 On the first weekend in November I went out to Harvard where I was running a workshop on biological weapons and I publicly stated at the time that in my opinion, my professional opinion, it was either elements of the United States government itself or contractors working for the United States government that was behind the anthrax attack and my

00:31:45.000 Colleague at the time, Professor Jonathan King of MIT, who's a microbiologist and runs their electron microscope lab, independently said the exact same thing I did.

00:32:02.000 And I gave interviews on Fox and the BBC and Pacifica saying this the first week in November

00:32:13.000 So it's been very clear, and the reason is that for the FBI cover-up, it would lead back to a secret, covert, illegal, and criminal offensive biological weapons program involving anthrax.

00:32:34.000 And I say it's criminal because I was the person who drafted the statute making it a crime.

00:32:41.000 And that's That's what's going on here, that's why all the lying and covering it up all along, and they're still doing it today.

00:32:51.000 If you read the investigation, the press conference they heard earlier this week, by the FBI, it does not add up at all.

00:33:02.000 If you read the article in today's New York Times, it doesn't add up indeed.

00:33:08.000 It appears from today's New York Times

00:33:11.000 The FBI, for example, then set the investigation up by scientists in such a way that no one knew exactly what they were doing, and could not communicate with anyone else, and only communicated with the FBI, and only looked at samples provided to them by the FBI, and had to take on good faith from the FBI what the samples were.

00:33:42.000 So, you have the case where the FBI completely controlled, dominated the scientific investigation.

00:33:50.000 Including the timing.

00:33:52.000 Well, Dr. Boyle, I want to go through that, and as best we can piece together who exactly did it and why they did it.

00:33:59.000 But when the mainline public on the street at coffee shops are saying, can you believe the government launched the anthrax attack?

00:34:06.000 They're in trouble.

00:34:06.000 I mean, the words out, the White House was on the drug that fights it.

00:34:09.000 The words out, it went to their enemies.

00:34:11.000 The words out, they set this last guy up.

00:34:13.000 I mean, I think we have a crisis of confidence here. 0.94

00:34:16.000 Do you think the FBI knows just how ridiculous they look right now?

00:34:21.000 Well, Alex, I think the important issue to realize now is this.

00:34:27.000 You know, the FBI's been lying and covering up on this at least since the time I called Bowman.

00:34:33.000 But there is today in existence a stockpile of super weapons-grade anthrax.

00:34:44.000 That is under the control of the original perpetrators of the anthrax attacks of October 2001.

00:34:54.000 And that stockpile can and will be used again when their masters decide that it would be politically convenient to scare and terrorize the American people.

00:35:13.000 Alright, we're going to skip this break too.

00:35:15.000 Hold on, I just want stations to know that.

00:35:17.000 Infowars.com listeners, we're going to continue.

00:35:18.000 Everybody else, we'll be back in three minutes.

00:35:20.000 Got to tune over to Infowars.com.

00:35:22.000 Here we go with Dr. Francis Boyle.

00:35:26.000 Okay, Doc, I mean that's the point I keep making.

00:35:28.000 If they carried out the attacks and all the evidence, I mean it's 100%, they did it, from motive to means to the evidence to the witnesses to the Cipro, all of it, it's ridiculous.

00:35:38.000 A, what did they think they were doing, because they haven't gotten away with it.

00:35:41.000 I mean, this is really getting them more than even 9-11.

00:35:45.000 And then B, getting into what you just mentioned.

00:35:49.000 Yes, they're still in power.

00:35:50.000 They're still going.

00:35:51.000 They could aerosolize this and say Al-Qaeda did it and launch an attack on Iran.

00:35:56.000 Please continue.

00:35:57.000 Well, they could launch another attack on us, and including on Congress, the judiciary, the media.

00:36:05.000 You know, the media is the force of the state.

00:36:07.000 You think this was a beta test?

00:36:08.000 Do you think this was a beta test?

00:36:10.000 Pardon me?

00:36:11.000 Do you think that this was a beta test, then?

00:36:14.000 What do you mean by a beta test?

00:36:15.000 The first anthrax attack was a beta test to see what the media would do, how Congress would respond.

00:36:22.000 Well, I believe the first anthrax attack was designed to ram through the Patriot Act because Senator Daschle and Senator Leahy were holding it up.

00:36:34.000 And once the anthrax occurred, the attacks occurred, it rammed right through.

00:36:41.000 On the renewal of the USA Patriot Act, Senator Feingold was holding it up, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, some white-powdered substance appeared at the, I think, one of the Senate office buildings.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:36:56.000 There was an anthrax scare, and then all of a sudden, the renewal of the Patriot Act went through.

00:37:02.000 Now, that was not real anthrax.

00:37:03.000 Well, I mean, this doesn't have to be real anthrax this time.

00:37:06.000 It's a reminder.

00:37:07.000 Before your question on the media, I think the culprits here wanted to send a message to the news media as well, that if you really cover this story, you risk your lives.

00:37:21.000 No, that's it, and then the people that did a story on the Bush daughters falling down drunk in Austin, the editor gets the first letter.

00:37:27.000 I mean, so this is a thinly-veiled threat to everyone.

00:37:32.000 So I guess the perpetrators, that's why Congress goes along with the wars and goes along with all of it, because I've talked to people in Congress who privately are like, yeah, yeah, we know what happened.

00:37:40.000 And I mean, do you agree that it's just an open mafia message that is what you're saying, and that Congress knows?

00:37:46.000 I mean, they know who did it.

00:37:48.000 I think, you know, people in Congress, I stay in touch with them.

00:37:51.000 I've sent them my materials.

00:37:53.000 You know, they're smart, intelligent people.

00:37:55.000 I think they know who is responsible for this.

00:37:58.000 I don't think they believe the cock and bull FBI explanation.

00:38:04.000 But of course they're afraid.

00:38:05.000 Their lives are on the line.

00:38:07.000 I think what we have to do now is insist on a full-scale congressional investigation.

00:38:15.000 Not some type of Presidential Commission cover-up along the lines of the 9-11 report.

00:38:20.000 But then the neocons will probably just mail 100 letters of anthrax.

00:38:25.000 I guess the whole nation is kind of held hostage.

00:38:27.000 We're going to come back to the full audience, recap that, and get into your idea, your plan to deal with this, and then cover any other evidence that backs up what you're saying with our guest.

00:38:36.000 Here we go.

00:38:40.000 Dr. Francis Boyle.

00:38:43.000 One of the former top bioweapons experts for the federal government helped write some of the major bioweapons conventions internationally for the United States.

00:38:54.000 Day one, he tried to help with the investigation and found out who was really behind it.

00:38:59.000 These are hardcore killers.

00:39:02.000 And they'll do anything to scare you into submission after their little Little event, they pulled off on 9-11, they weren't done, they launched their anthrax attack. 0.67

00:39:10.000 And they did their dark winter scenario a few years before that, a congressionally funded drill of massive anthrax spraying in Texas, in Oklahoma, and martial law being declared.

00:39:21.000 And you better believe, ladies and gentlemen, they got private contractors ready to spray it on your cities.

00:39:27.000 And then they'll grab some guy with a beard and put him on TV and say he did it.

00:39:30.000 It might even be a hologram.

00:39:32.000 I mean, these guys are just, there's no end to what they'll do.

00:39:36.000 And Dr. Boyle is our guest.

00:39:39.000 During the last segment, you just started calling for a congressional investigation.

00:39:43.000 The country's being held hostage by the real terrorist.

00:39:47.000 You've got the floor.

00:39:47.000 I'd like you to talk more about that and then go back into evidence because it's so voluminous.

00:39:51.000 Anything else you'd like to talk about?

00:39:54.000 Right, well, we need hearings along the lines of what we had in the Watergate hearings under President Nixon, where we have open public hearings by a joint committee of Congress, because this attack was designed to shut Congress down, which it did.

00:40:16.000 It succeeded, to the best of my knowledge, the first time in the history of our republic, Congress was actually shut down and rendered inoperative.

00:40:25.000 The House went out of business.

00:40:28.000 The Senate said it would stay in session, but with the House out of business, you can't do business.

00:40:34.000 So this is a political crime of the first magnitude.

00:40:40.000 The Supreme Court, as well, also shut down.

00:40:43.000 And the media were attacked, our fourth estate.

00:40:47.000 Of course, the presidency and the executive branch was not attacked.

00:40:52.000 I leave that to you to figure it out, but we do know the White House was on Cipro.

00:40:58.000 So, that's really what we need, and maybe if there are open public hearings by Congress, people put under oath with subpoena power, members of Congress then might feel some protection.

00:41:13.000 from further threats by the people currently under control of the anthrax.

00:41:18.000 You also have to tie into this the large numbers of dead microbiologists that have appeared since around the summer before these events, when the New York Times revealed the existence of the covert anthrax weapons programs Run by the CIA and Battelle.

00:41:45.000 And that, too, is in the public record.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, the list keeps going.

00:41:49.000 Ivins is only the latest dead microbiologist, so you are correct.

00:41:56.000 These culprits are playing for keeps. 0.94

00:41:58.000 They are prepared to kill people. 0.95

00:42:02.000 They've tried to kill people. 0.99

00:42:04.000 I think they have killed people.

00:42:05.000 Well, there's no doubt under PDD 51, the Continuative Government System has taken over the government.

00:42:11.000 Congress knows they were hit by a biological attack from the executive branch and the shadow government, controlled by foreign agencies, foreign intelligence operations, British and Israeli, predominantly.

00:42:22.000 And they have now bullied the media and the Congress into full submission.

00:42:28.000 They are hopping mad at the Russians for not submitting.

00:42:31.000 God knows what they'll pull on them now.

00:42:33.000 And we are completely controlled by megalomaniacs who have limitless will, dark will, to do God knows what.

00:42:41.000 Mr. Boyle, I mean, I can't imagine a more nightmare scenario.

00:42:45.000 And it's so transparent because they want it to be transparent, don't they?

00:42:51.000 Well, I think it's transparent for people who are really following what's going on and adding it up, but I don't think for the vast majority of the American people.

00:43:01.000 I do think you are correct in your analysis that the Presidential Doctrine for Continuity of Government was put into effect on September 11th, and it's still in operation today.

00:43:15.000 And that we do have, in fact, a secret government that You know, he's really running things behind the scenes.

00:43:22.000 Probably Cheney is in charge of it.

00:43:25.000 And so there are really two governments out there.

00:43:29.000 And that can account for a lot of anomalies.

00:43:31.000 For example, what happened at the Minot Air Force Base with the nuclear cruise missiles.

00:43:39.000 That decision to deploy those nuclear cruise missiles had to come directly from a chain of command.

00:43:46.000 It was not a mistake.

00:43:48.000 And with the continuity of government, then there are now two chains of command.

00:43:54.000 So I think you can add up a lot of things by realizing that, you know, there's the open government and then there's the COG in operation.

00:44:06.000 Right.

00:44:06.000 Professor Boyle, a lot of people that don't understand history or the way subterfuge works, they wonder why you're alive, why I'm alive, why so many others are alive, if this is all true.

00:44:18.000 And I would just say it's because they don't want to validate what we've said.

00:44:20.000 They don't want to underline our words.

00:44:22.000 They don't want to highlight what we've said and done.

00:44:25.000 But I do feel the wings of death flapping about.

00:44:28.000 I've been threatened.

00:44:28.000 I've had all sorts of other stuff happen.

00:44:30.000 A lot of other people have been killed.

00:44:32.000 So it's not a joke to me, but I just think my lucky stars.

00:44:34.000 Thank God every day I'm still here.

00:44:38.000 But what's your take on why other whistleblowers and other prominent people are still alive?

00:44:44.000 If these guys are such murderers and such killers, why they haven't come after us?

00:44:49.000 Well, Dr. Ivins is not alive.

00:44:51.000 He joined the growing list of microbiologists who are now dead.

00:44:57.000 I can't recall the last time I looked at that list, but it was somewhere in the area of 15 to 20 microbiologists have died.

00:45:06.000 It's a lot more than that.

00:45:07.000 Yeah, maybe 20 or something like that.

00:45:10.000 If you look at it globally, it's like 20 in the U.S.

00:45:15.000 being shot in the back of the head, being tortured to death, being drowned.

00:45:17.000 It's hundreds worldwide. 0.96

00:45:20.000 Right.

00:45:24.000 I think disposing of people who don't directly know what's going on.

00:45:28.000 I know, you know, Senator Wellstone disappeared too.

00:45:33.000 So, you know, I take it the reason others are around is that they don't really care.

00:45:41.000 They have all the levers of power.

00:45:42.000 No, no, they're actually glad we're here saying they control the Congress and murder whoever they want.

00:45:47.000 They enjoy it.

00:45:48.000 And all the big guerrillas that work in Army Intelligence think it's real funny.

00:45:52.000 They love their cocaine money, they love their houses in Maui, they love butchering this country. 0.71

00:45:56.000 Wide open.

00:45:57.000 Good job, guys.

00:45:58.000 Please continue, Dr. Boyle.

00:46:00.000 Well, I don't think they think we're very effective one way or the other.

00:46:05.000 Otherwise, they would take us out, sure.

00:46:08.000 And they're just looting everything.

00:46:10.000 This is only one little area of crimes they're committing.

00:46:12.000 I mean, I look at it, doctor, they are just raping the country, the world, end to end.

00:46:18.000 And I just can't believe we've gone this bad.

00:46:22.000 Do you ever pinch yourself when you're seeing these type things happen?

00:46:26.000 Well, you know, it could be the twilight of the American republic.

00:46:33.000 I hate to say that.

00:46:34.000 You know, I've been a lawyer since January 10, 1977, taking an oath to uphold the constitutional laws of the United States, as my father was before me.

00:46:46.000 And it could be we're at the end of the line here for democracy in America.

00:46:52.000 That's right, you're a top constitutional law scholar as well, we just can't cover all of your illustrious background.

00:46:58.000 Let's go over more of the evidence, more areas with the curious case of Dr. Ivins.

00:47:04.000 I mean, the media, you notice, it was so hard to find that he died in government custody.

00:47:09.000 It is.

00:47:09.000 and then supposedly he gets these pills while locked up when he was about to be released, and then this doctor that said he was crazy and said all these things turns out is a literal PCP head who isn't even a doctor and is some kind of stoolie bird.

00:47:20.000 I mean, it's just getting shoddier and shoddier.

00:47:23.000 It is.

00:47:25.000 I mean, if you just read any of the accounts, I mean, now surprisingly you even have people in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, experts, microbiologists, former biowarfare people saying they don't believe Ivins did it.

00:47:43.000 That's correct.

00:47:44.000 That's how flimsy the cover-up has become.

00:47:48.000 Again, just read today's New York Times.

00:47:53.000 The more facts come out, the harder it comes to explain any of these things.

00:48:01.000 I don't know what to say.

00:48:02.000 Why do you think they rushed out and grabbed Ivins and killed him, and then made the ridiculous story up about, oh, he's been our main suspect for four years, when just a year ago they were saying the only suspect was Hatfield?

00:48:13.000 I mean, is that a total contempt for the public's memory, or what is that?

00:48:20.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:48:23.000 I don't know if Ivins was killed one way or the other.

00:48:28.000 You know, they first blamed it on Hatfield, knowing he wasn't responsible, but that could stall and delay everything for a long time, and see if they could get Hatfield to crack up, and he didn't.

00:48:41.000 He fought back.

00:48:43.000 Ivins, so then they moved to him, and they got him to crack up, and either he was off by himself, or we still don't know the circumstances one way or the other.

00:48:55.000 So now they have a dead man, and dead men tell no tales, so they just pin it on the dead man, the dead microbiologist.

00:49:02.000 Yeah, it's easy, they have a dead defendant.

00:49:05.000 Talking about the FBI, they've always been hooked in with the Mafia since their conception, during Prohibition, being paid off.

00:49:12.000 So from their zenith, or really birth I should say, from their genesis, they have been mobsters.

00:49:21.000 Now, I mean, I've seen the FBI out on the streets, and they're really scary people.

00:49:25.000 I mean, do you think the average FBI agent really understands they're working for basically a Gestapo organization?

00:49:32.000 Well, actually, a Mr. Swearegan, who had been an FBI agent and retired and was decorated, wrote a book on the FBI and called it the American Gestapo, repeatedly.

00:49:47.000 He was a veteran FBI agent.

00:49:49.000 I think that is correct.

00:49:51.000 The last time we discussed the matter,

00:49:55.000 I think I told you that two FBI agents, well, one agent for the FBI and another for the FBI-CIA Joint Terrorism Task Force, showed up at my office, interrogated me for an hour, tried to get me to become an informant on my Arab and Muslim clients, which would have violated their constitutional rights and my ethical obligations as an attorney.

00:50:22.000 Of course, I refused to become an informant for the FBI, but I did tell them that I was trying to cooperate with the FBI on the anthrax investigation, and told them of my phone calls there to Mr. Bowman to try to do something on the anthrax investigation.

00:50:42.000 And then the FBI-CIA went out and put me on all the United States government's terrorist watch lists.

00:50:50.000 Every one of them.

00:50:51.000 My lawyer says there are five or six of them, and as far as he could figure out, I'm on all of them.

00:50:56.000 So, that gives you a pretty good idea of what's going on here, that one guy trying to help unravel the anthrax investigation gets put on the terrorist watch list.

00:51:09.000 Well, you know, I know it's all about power and who wins, but there's no doubt that I'm trying to defend this country, what's left of it.

00:51:15.000 So are you.

00:51:17.000 And, you know, guys, we don't expect you to quit the FBI or even stand up for the country, but at least you can passively not join the evil.

00:51:24.000 I mean, is it that much fun to destroy America?

00:51:27.000 I mean, I don't understand the enjoyment.

00:51:29.000 Where do they find these people?

00:51:31.000 Well, we have to remember there were some good, solid FBI people there up in Minneapolis Trying to get that, uh, warrant into... But notice they're always off in a field office.

00:51:42.000 I understand it's compartmentalized.

00:51:44.000 Yeah.

00:51:44.000 Right.

00:51:45.000 But they tried... Those in the field, Crowley and the rest of them, tried very hard to get that, uh, warrant into Moussaoui's computer that very well could have unraveled, uh, 9-11.

00:51:56.000 And that was killed by Marion Spike Bowman, who was the same guy I was dealing with in good faith.

00:52:04.000 And then by the way, the FBI agents that blocked the Anthrax and the 9-11 investigation even before, they all got record cash bonuses, and those that tried to stop the attacks, they got demoted.

00:52:16.000 Right.

00:52:18.000 The people who were in charge of the cover-ups on both 9-11 and the Anthrax have all been promoted, which Indicates they've done what their masters wanted them to do.

00:52:30.000 And I think the reason why, eventually, if we can unravel who was behind the anthrax attacks, we're going to find out who really was behind 9-11.

00:52:45.000 You know, they're so desperate to cover everything up and lie about it.

00:52:50.000 I know you have a lot of gravitas, sir, so you like to be very careful with what you say, but do you think a person of interest needs to be looked at as this Philip Zack person, or is he another Red Herring?

00:52:59.000 I really don't know much about Mr. Zack.

00:53:03.000 Just what I've read in the public record, but certainly at the top of everyone's list should be Mr. Patrick, who did this type of work for the CIA, and Ken Albeck, who did this type of work for the Soviet Union.

00:53:18.000 Indeed, Albeck has made statements in the public that are inconsistent and simply not true.

00:53:25.000 Albeck was brought over here by the CIA, so he's on their payroll, and Patrick was on the payroll.

00:53:33.000 You know, certainly identify them as the top of the list.

00:53:36.000 That's right.

00:53:37.000 Alabeck wrote about and was over an accidental release, remember, in the Soviet Union on that... Sverdlovsk.

00:53:45.000 Yeah, was it the Kamchatka Peninsula?

00:53:48.000 Right.

00:53:48.000 Well, no, Sverdlovsk, which is in central Russia.

00:53:52.000 But you have to understand that it's just not for Dietrich here that could have done this.

00:53:58.000 The culture From what I can see, it came from Fort Detrick, but again, assuming any of this information coming out is correct, 45% of it came from Fort Detrick, and 75% of it came from the Dugway Proving Ground, run by the Army, and with the CIA and Battelle working there.

00:54:19.000 So, my guess is that the culture itself came from Fort Detrick, and then it was shipped out to Doug Way to be weaponized.

00:54:32.000 That is to turn it into a trillion spores per gram, the aerosolization, the added on the silica covering, which involved nanotechnology, and then which involved nanotechnology, and then the electrostatic charges.

00:54:53.000 How ridiculous is it?

00:54:55.000 I believe it was weaponized at Dugway. 0.90

00:54:58.000 I don't believe it was weaponized at Fort Detrick per se. 0.95

00:55:04.000 How ridiculous is it?

00:55:06.000 So we have a team of people here working on this. 0.92

00:55:10.000 It's not simply a question of one or two or three people.

00:55:16.000 And that's why we have all these big top bioweapons scientists saying you're claiming that that Ivins was able to make this in his basement?

00:55:27.000 That he was able to get something and then weaponize it?

00:55:29.000 You know, they're saying that's ridiculous because they know what it takes, don't they? 0.95

00:55:33.000 Sure, it's completely preposterous. 0.67

00:55:35.000 Even Mr. Spurzel used to head up Fort Detrick and say it can't be done.

00:55:40.000 So, you know, I think most of the scientists involved in the investigation Like me, you'd probably assume the FBI was dealing with them in good faith, but that simply isn't the case.

00:55:53.000 Has this changed your view of the world?

00:55:55.000 You know, working on this case, seeing this, and seeing how the federal government's been behaving?

00:56:01.000 No, not really.

00:56:02.000 You know, I'm 58 years old.

00:56:04.000 I'm going back to the Kennedy assassination, the two Kennedy assassinations, and the King assassination.

00:56:15.000 This doesn't surprise me at all.

00:56:16.000 I was just saying because you said that you thought the FBI would do something, but I guess you weren't thinking they were involved.

00:56:24.000 We're going to skip this break, too, with our guest.

00:56:27.000 We'll be back in the final segment.

00:56:28.000 The only place to listen to the behind-the-scenes is the Infowars.com stream.

00:56:32.000 You've got to go over to the site and click on that stream, folks, or below.

00:56:36.000 Okay, Dr. Boyle, this has been an amazing interview, and I just want you, in the next six, seven minutes or so, to cover any other key points, any other areas, any websites you want to plug.

00:56:47.000 You've got the floor.

00:56:49.000 Well, I have a book on the subject called Biowarfare and Terrorism, Clarity Press, which you can read that sets out the case and the basic points that I'm making here today.

00:57:03.000 Everything I'm saying in there, ...has been confirmed by the latest revelations.

00:57:11.000 In addition, since that book went to press, I have reviewed the Pentagon's report to Congress on their chemical and biological warfare programs, and it's very clear they are engaged in the development and use of anthrax as a weapon of warfare.

00:57:35.000 It is also clear, if you read through there, the Pentagon, in this biowarfare program, is now testing, open-air testing, which is something that Congress passed a statute to prohibit, and yet there was put in there a presidential waiver.

00:57:58.000 So we have to understand the The stockpile of this super weapons-grade anthrax is still there, probably at Dugway, or perhaps Battelle in Ohio, and waiting to be used again when the Pentagon and the CIA decide they want to terrorize the American people.

00:58:20.000 Cheney has said if there's another terrorist attack, he'll claim it on Iran.

00:58:26.000 There's an election coming up.

00:58:29.000 That, you know, they're going to want to win for McCain, who's in the pocket of all the neoconservatives currently running the government and the continuity of government.

00:58:39.000 So, there are a variety of occasions coming up for these people to use this anthrax and panic the American people, either towards war, towards a police state, or towards electing the presidential candidate they want.

00:58:58.000 Amazing, absolutely amazing.

00:59:01.000 We've got a few stations that are about to join us when we come back out of this segment, so we're going to plug the book again.

00:59:09.000 I want everybody out there to get it, because this is life and death.

00:59:12.000 I mean, it is a military culture to sacrifice pawns, and they have just gotten way too fast and loose. 0.67

00:59:21.000 It's not enough to kill a million two Iraqis.

00:59:23.000 It's not enough to bomb Serbia into the Stone Age with DU. 0.99

00:59:27.000 You know, they see us as absolute cattle folks and this sick culture has got to be stopped.

00:59:31.000 We're coming back live right now.

00:59:33.000 Dr. Francis Boyle has a book out on the anthrax attacks, a scholarly detailed book that everyone needs to get and get out to their friends and family.

00:59:47.000 This is Life and Death.

00:59:48.000 If we don't expose these people, they're going to use terror attacks to completely overthrow the country and have a continuity of government system that even dominates Congress.

00:59:57.000 Hell, Bush has even taken authority away from Homeland Security to himself.

01:00:02.000 It's unprecedented, dark times, and I don't take pleasure fighting these people.

01:00:05.000 I know, I mean, it is.

01:00:07.000 I don't even have fear.

01:00:08.000 I just know, man, this is serious.

01:00:10.000 I don't like messing with these people, but I have to.

01:00:13.000 You can't give in to them.

01:00:15.000 And Dr. Boyle, we just commend you.

01:00:17.000 The old 5,000-year-old system of sacrificing pawns, going back to being invented in India, Generals will sacrifice a thousand, ten thousand, twenty thousand troops to draw an enemy in over a ridge, thinking it's a larger force to then have their army behind the hill crush them, knowing it's going to kill their own force.

01:00:36.000 In archery training, it's not just in the movie Braveheart, but it's historical cases of where different armies in Japan, in Europe proper, in Africa, you know, the Egyptians would fire on their own troops to kill some of the other troops.

01:00:50.000 That's an idea.

01:00:51.000 Collateral damage.

01:00:53.000 And it's nothing to the war planners running our country for the big banks to mail out some anthrax and kill some people.

01:00:59.000 It's nothing for them to kill kids now. 0.97

01:01:02.000 To kill a million two Iraqis, as I said. 1.00

01:01:04.000 And we better realize that what's done to the Iraqis will be done to us. 1.00

01:01:09.000 You reap what you sow.

01:01:11.000 Dr. Boyle, can you speak to that idea and then plug your book?

01:01:15.000 Well, sure.

01:01:17.000 I went to the University of Chicago with all these neoconservatives.

01:01:22.000 Wolfowitz was there, Chalabi, Kowalski, all the rest of them.

01:01:28.000 They were getting their PhDs, and I was getting my undergraduate degree, later got my PhD from Harvard.

01:01:36.000 I went through the exact same program that produced all these neocons.

01:01:40.000 The political science department, Leo Strauss, the godfather of the neocons, his mentor and sponsor in Germany was Professor Carl Schmitt, who went on to become the most notorious Nazi law professor of that benighted era, and justified every hideous atrocity The Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews.

01:02:08.000 And now his grandchildren are Alberto Gonzalez, the current Attorney General, Mukasey, and John Yoo.

01:02:18.000 That's correct.

01:02:19.000 We have to understand, Alex, that they tried to train me to become one of these people.

01:02:25.000 Don't you have a special Ph.D.?

01:02:27.000 They only give one a year from Harvard?

01:02:29.000 Don't you have the Kissinger Ph.D.?

01:02:31.000 Yeah, I went to the same program that Kissinger did.

01:02:35.000 At the Center for International Affairs, they gave me Kissinger's old office.

01:02:40.000 His file cabinets were sitting there when I moved in.

01:02:43.000 But the point is, we have to understand these neoconservatives, then, are in fact neo-Nazis.

01:02:51.000 And this is a neo-Nazi mentality that has taken over our government.

01:02:59.000 And these are the people making these decisions And that then gets back to why...

01:03:06.000 They have no problem unleashing an anthrax attack on the American people in Congress.

01:03:11.000 Indeed, they're anti-democratic.

01:03:14.000 Professor Boyle, I can go into overdrive on this radio show, but I don't want to keep you... The show's over in one minute, but I want to extend the show for ten minutes, commercial-free, just for the internet streams, but that's hundreds of thousands listening on the internet and tens of thousands later spread out on video.

01:03:33.000 Can you do ten more minutes right now just so you can finish this statement?

01:03:37.000 Okay, we're going to go into overdrive.

01:03:37.000 Sure.

01:03:39.000 I want to thank the Genesis Network and all the affiliates.

01:03:41.000 If you go to Infowars.com, only on those audio streams, and PrisonPlanet.tv on the video, we're going to continue with an addendum, not just the anthrax attacks, but who they are, the mindset that allows them to engage in this type of behavior.

01:03:57.000 And so, again, you need to go to one place.

01:04:00.000 Infowars.com to click on those streams right now with Dr. Boyle.

01:04:05.000 Don't forget my new film, Fabled Enemies, that I produced, that Jason Bermas has directed.

01:04:09.000 You can preorder it now.

01:04:11.000 It comes out in 10 days.

01:04:12.000 Infowars.com as well.

01:04:13.000 Great job, everybody.

01:04:14.000 Stay with us.

01:04:15.000 Infowars.com.

01:04:16.000 Thank you for listening.

01:04:18.000 You want to talk to the guests?

01:04:18.000 No, I'm going to say bye to you, and I am just going to, well, I need to go ahead and engage in this type of behavior.

01:04:29.000 And so, uh, again, you need to go to one place, InfoWars.com, to click on those streams right now, uh, with Dr. Boyle.

01:04:37.000 Don't forget my new film, Fabled Enemies, uh, that I produced, that Jason Burmiss has directed.

01:04:42.000 You can pre-order it now, it comes out in ten days, InfoWars.com.

01:04:47.000 Dr. Boyle, we're going to call you back in one minute.

01:04:49.000 Listening to GCN.

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01:04:55.000 A day unlike any other in the long course of American history, a terrorist act of war against this country.

01:05:04.000 The enemy's here in the next few minutes.

01:05:07.000 Thank you, John.

01:05:07.000 You can go ahead and disconnect.

01:05:09.000 Alright, take care.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, I decided in the last minute to go to extra transmission, so things are a bit bumpy here, ladies and gentlemen.

01:05:16.000 Not too bumpy, they're just real.

01:05:18.000 Because I didn't want to cut him off with what he was saying, and that's the great luxury I mean are we talking to two million people right now on the MNFM 60 plus affiliates?

01:05:26.000 Are we on the global shortwave and satellite?

01:05:26.000 No.

01:05:28.000 No.

01:05:29.000 But we've got tens of thousands listening on the internet on the streams and a lot of people watching at PrisonPlanet.tv and this will be magnified on the web later when people post it on YouTube and all the other sites.

01:05:40.000 I would also encourage listeners, there's a lot of other up-and-coming video sites.

01:05:46.000 Like Justin.tv and a lot of others I've been seeing.

01:05:49.000 Folks should take these clips and put those up there too.

01:05:51.000 Not just YouTube.

01:05:53.000 Because YouTube is starting to censor a lot more.

01:05:56.000 Though it's the biggest community and it's where you can reach more people and have more viral videos.

01:06:01.000 Post there and on MySpace videos too.

01:06:04.000 But then also duplicate it if you have the time.

01:06:06.000 Put some of these key clips on some of these other big up-and-coming video services that also have millions tuning into them and watching them.

01:06:13.000 Not hundreds of millions or billions like YouTube.

01:06:16.000 Hundreds of millions every day, every week, but billions total on YouTube.

01:06:20.000 So that's still the key areas, but attack in that area and also get into all of the other areas of the web.

01:06:26.000 We're ready to go to Dr. Boyle.

01:06:28.000 Okay, Dr. Boyle, I'm only going to keep you for T-minus 10 minutes.

01:06:32.000 You have the floor completely.

01:06:34.000 Talk about your PhD with these guys, the mindsets being around them, this cold-blooded divorce from reality, divorce from conscience, this might makes right, survival of the fittest.

01:06:45.000 This Nazi-type or Malthusian amalgamation that we're facing right now. 0.91

01:06:53.000 Right.

01:06:53.000 Well, as I was saying, I was trained to be a neoconservative at the University of Chicago by Strauss's co-author and literary executor later, Joseph Cropsey.

01:07:06.000 Strauss had just retired when I showed up there.

01:07:09.000 But I went through the exact same program that produced all these neoconservatives.

01:07:14.000 And there are two books on them, if you're interested, by Professor Shadia Drury, D-R-U-R-Y, Leo Strauss and the American Right, and The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss.

01:07:26.000 Professor Drury teaches political philosophy up in Canada, and she, to the best of my knowledge, was never trained at the University of Chicago as I was, but I agree with everything Professor Drury says.

01:07:40.000 These people are neo-Nazis, That comes directly from Strauss, who was trained by Schmitt, who was a Nazi.

01:07:50.000 We still don't know why Schmitt was never prosecuted at Nuremberg or any of the subsequent proceedings.

01:07:57.000 Influenced by Machiavelli, by Nietzsche, and Hobbes.

01:08:01.000 Those are the main influences on the neoconservatives.

01:08:04.000 And then from there I went to Harvard to get my PhD in, and certainly Don't send your children to the University of Chicago for any reason.

01:08:14.000 They will simply brainwash them to become neoconservatives.

01:08:18.000 And then I went to Harvard to get my PhD in political science in the same program that produced Kissinger, Brzezinski, Huntington, and all the rest of these people.

01:08:30.000 So, again, more of the same type of Machiavellian, Hobbes thought.

01:08:38.000 Although not as, you know, direct a connection to Schmidt as the University of Chicago was.

01:08:46.000 So these people are very bright, completely ruthless, unprincipled, and motivated by a Nazi-type philosophy. 0.84

01:08:57.000 There's no other word to describe it, my opinion.

01:08:59.000 Continue, sir.

01:09:06.000 I'm sitting back listening to you.

01:09:08.000 Well, you know, if you want to get a PhD in political science at Harvard, you have to know your Machiavelli backward, forward, upside down, and in your sleep, and by rote.

01:09:19.000 So that should give you a pretty good idea.

01:09:22.000 Kissinger, a Machiavellian to the core, Brzezinski as well.

01:09:28.000 As I said, people like Wolfowitz, Chalabi, Khalilzad, Shulsky, and the neocons from Chicago, for that you'd have to read Machiavelli, Hobbes, and Nietzsche as well.

01:09:41.000 And so many of the neoconservatives today, both in the government, in academia, these news media pundits that get quoted Have all been trained in the same system.

01:10:00.000 Alan Keyes, a classmate of mine at Harvard, studied with Harvey Mansfield, a Straussian.

01:10:08.000 I could go on with a list of them.

01:10:10.000 Fukuyama, another neoconservative.

01:10:13.000 He wrote a review of Max Weber's The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism for the Sunday New York Times Book Review.

01:10:24.000 They gave him the entire back page to do this on the 100th anniversary, and he analogized Weber to Carl Schmitt.

01:10:34.000 And he didn't bother to mention anyone in this review that Schmitt was a Nazi.

01:10:39.000 Indeed, it apparently did not matter to the New York Times that Fukuyama was referring to Schmitt the Nazi favorably, without identifying as a Nazi.

01:10:51.000 Because the Sunday New York Times book review editor was a neoconservative himself.

01:10:57.000 And many of the people there at the New York Times, like Brooks, went through that program at the University of Chicago.

01:11:06.000 Well, they say... Crystal, who studied on the New York Times, he studied with Harvey Mansfield, the Straussian neoconservative at Harvard.

01:11:15.000 So it's a very dangerous and incestuous Bush himself made a speech at the American Enterprise Institute, where he bragged that he had hired, I think it was somewhere between 20 and 25 Straussians in his administration.

01:11:38.000 So all these people work in accordance with this neo-Nazi philosophy, and so it doesn't surprise me that you would see the anthrax attack Or anything else they're doing.

01:11:51.000 They will stop at nothing.

01:11:53.000 Well, they've said, we have power, we've got to maximize it, we've got to go for everything.

01:11:57.000 And they totally control McCain.

01:12:00.000 Barack Obama's controlled by a lot of the same people.

01:12:02.000 Do you even see them giving up power?

01:12:05.000 I don't think they want to, that's right.

01:12:07.000 I think they want, you know, all the neoconservatives now are working for McCain.

01:12:13.000 Uh, this Randy Shuneman, his top foreign affairs advisor, was the director of the Project for the New American Century.

01:12:20.000 I'm sure your listeners know all about PNAC and what they're about.

01:12:24.000 He was, just until recently, a lobbyist for Georgia.

01:12:29.000 So they've all congregated around McCain.

01:12:34.000 Let's briefly talk about that.

01:12:35.000 Georgia, I mean, is that another manifestation of their arrogance? 0.96

01:12:40.000 And why do we see so many Israelis picking up a Straussian view?

01:12:43.000 I mean, they just believe in the philosophy of the Nazis.

01:12:47.000 It's not even a racial thing, is it, per se, Aryan race?

01:12:51.000 It's the system and the ideals of governing, correct?

01:12:56.000 I think that's correct.

01:12:58.000 There was collaboration between the earlier Zionists and the Nazi regime to try to get Jews into Palestine.

01:13:11.000 Lonnie Brenner has a book on that if you want to read the correspondence itself.

01:13:18.000 But in any event, yes, to get back to Georgia, Even today, the Financial Times, the Deputy Defense Minister of Georgia admitted that when they attacked South Ossetia, notice he's incriminating himself here in aggression.

01:13:39.000 This is in today's Financial Times.

01:13:42.000 He said, but he didn't believe Russia would respond.

01:13:46.000 But he's admitting that yes, they unleashed the attack on South Ossetia. 0.77

01:13:50.000 Oh, that's huge news!

01:13:51.000 I wasn't aware of that.

01:13:52.000 Give me the name of the story.

01:13:53.000 It just came through Financial Times.

01:13:56.000 Tbilisi admits miscalculating Russian reaction.

01:14:00.000 The Deputy Defense Minister admitted it, that they launched the attack on South Ossetia.

01:14:07.000 Now, we have to understand, that attack would not have been launched without the approval of the Bush administration.

01:14:13.000 Well, we also don't just have neocons in NATO.

01:14:15.000 We have the defense minister being Israeli, not even Georgian, their foreign minister, and the fact that they thought Russia wouldn't respond to a deadly sneak attack.

01:14:25.000 And then now they're moving more missile systems in.

01:14:27.000 They've yesterday kicked the ambassadors to NATO of Russia out.

01:14:32.000 They didn't even do that during World War II and then into the Cuban Missile Crisis.

01:14:38.000 I mean this is getting to be unprecedented and they're saying Russia will pay.

01:14:41.000 Cheney made statements about he called the Russian president up and said there will be a response to this and slammed the phone down.

01:14:48.000 That was in the mainstream news.

01:14:49.000 I mean it's scary when you get these type of nuts Now, I know they're very smart and controlled psychopaths, but at the same time, and they've codified it into a political science to give it some type of intellectual cover, they believe, but when you've got Karl Rove walking around saying, we control reality to newspaper writers, and you will just report on the new reality we give you, I mean, we see this psychology.

01:15:11.000 Do you believe they've gone into megalomania? 0.92

01:15:14.000 Well, this is, you know, consistent with the, you know, these people are sociopaths.

01:15:19.000 That, you know, that's a regular Um, uh, position, uh, you know, psychologists, psychiatrists, whatever, they, they function, uh, that way. 0.90

01:15:28.000 Um, but yeah, it's part of the neoconservative, uh, strategy here, uh, to basically resume a Cold War with Russia, uh, as they had against the, uh, Soviet Union, uh, figuring that, you know, the best way to deal with them is, is to destroy them if they can't.

01:15:49.000 So we've seen the, um, This promiscuous expansion of NATO right up to the border of Russia, despite the fact that when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Warsaw Pact collapsed, there was no reason at all for NATO to be around.

01:16:08.000 Indeed, what happened was that the Bush senior administration, instead of dissolving NATO, decided to give nato two new purposes one uh... policing eastern europe control and domination and for your first snack was funding people to attack the serbs and start all that right now the opening shot of this was the uh... the war against uh... serbia the bombing campaign against serbia was this to be another snack uh... you know to to give that military system something to do

01:16:37.000 And obviously they thought the Russians wouldn't do what they've now done.

01:16:41.000 Is this a big defeat of the neocons?

01:16:43.000 And do you think this will generate more anger by them to have an outgoing victory?

01:16:50.000 Well, I think they knew how the Russians would respond because there were also reports of a large-scale Russian build-up in Russia right over the border.

01:17:01.000 So they fooled the Georgians and gave them bad intelligence?

01:17:05.000 Well, they ordered the Georgians in there. 0.92

01:17:06.000 I mean, the Georgian Army is a subsidiary of the Pentagon and the Israeli Ministry of Defense.

01:17:12.000 We've armed, equipped, supplied, trained these people.

01:17:15.000 So this is meant to be an opening shalvo in a new cold-slash-hot-brushfire war?

01:17:22.000 I believe so.

01:17:23.000 At least a new cold war as they see it.

01:17:25.000 And then, immediately, they ran through the Missile agreement with Poland.

01:17:34.000 All along they had said, oh well, this has nothing to do with Russia.

01:17:37.000 But then they capitalized on the vilification of Russia to ram this thing through, and everyone's supporting it. 0.92

01:17:45.000 So it's part of the neocon strategy to resume the Cold War with Russia, and if it risks getting hot, then so be it.

01:17:54.000 And this leads us into rack and ruin.

01:17:57.000 We hear the neocons are losing power and stalling.

01:18:01.000 What other elites are swarming around this New World Order?

01:18:03.000 Where do you see this going and closing?

01:18:07.000 Well, it doesn't look very good.

01:18:08.000 I think they're going to go all out to get McCain elected and continue the neocon agenda for another four to eight years.

01:18:18.000 I'm a political independent.

01:18:19.000 I'm not here trying to endorse Obama one way or the other.

01:18:23.000 Just tell you the situation as I see it.

01:18:27.000 And if that means provoking this crisis with Russia, and notice McCain has already shot up in the polls and has now come even if not ahead.

01:18:38.000 We had his advisor a month ago.

01:18:40.000 We had his advisor a month ago, McCain, saying a new war would help McCain or a new 9-11, and voila!

01:18:47.000 That's correct.

01:18:48.000 And remember, Karl Rove has already said on the 2002 campaign On the crisis against Iraq, you don't bring out a new product in August.

01:18:57.000 Well, they did, but it's clear that all this is being orchestrated, in my opinion, very carefully with the McCain campaign, to play to his strong suits as he sees it on defense and foreign affairs.

01:19:17.000 Obama struggling to keep up, and indeed, on Georgia, Obama has become almost as bad as McCain.

01:19:26.000 Indeed, his top foreign affairs advisor on Russia is a guy named McFaul from the Hoover Institute out in Palo Alto.

01:19:39.000 And the Hoover Institute is a well-known haven for neoconservatives and right-wingers.

01:19:46.000 So, you even have the Russian policies of Obama being determined by one of these people, Brzezinski.

01:19:55.000 Again, I went to the same PhD program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski.

01:20:01.000 You know, he's made highly belligerent statements and compared Putin to Hitler.

01:20:07.000 Yeah, and we've got Brzezinski advising Obama and Brzezinski advising McCain.

01:20:13.000 Well, again, we have problems also in the Obama camp as well.

01:20:20.000 There are some, I guess you'd say, people who are more liberal there, but the McCain campaign is fully neoconservative.

01:20:28.000 We would simply see a continuation and indeed an intensification of the Bush policies that have been a disaster, both at home and abroad.

01:20:41.000 In a McCain administration, his lawyers are giving him legal advice and running his legal strategy.

01:20:49.000 They're all the Federalist Society lawyers.

01:20:52.000 We discussed that before, I believe.

01:20:54.000 Absolutely.

01:20:54.000 I've got to have you back up.

01:20:55.000 I'm going to let you go here in just a moment, but this is the final question.

01:21:00.000 Looking at all of this, do you think things are going well for them, or going badly for this crop of New World Order managers? 0.95

01:21:09.000 I mean, it seems to me a lot of people are waking up, a lot of people see what's happening, but then you have them making arrogant statements like it's a joke, saying the 21st century nations don't invade other nations, and then even smiling with smart-ass looks.

01:21:21.000 I mean, is part of their philosophy rubbing it in and being over the top?

01:21:26.000 Well, I think that We are seeing some desperation on the part of the neocons.

01:21:32.000 I don't believe they're out of power or anything like that.

01:21:35.000 There was some reshuffling, but they're still in power.

01:21:39.000 But the fact that they are taking steps like the anthrax cover-up, like what they did in Georgia, running over there to Poland and, you know, getting all of Europe upset, in my mind, seems to indicate they are somewhat desperate and concerned about their Their position, which I think does give the rest of the American people an opening to try to stop them.

01:22:10.000 The huge police state, the gearing up, the federalizing local departments, the secret camps, all in the news now, the Democrats greedily voting for all those programs, you know, they want that power.

01:22:22.000 I mean, the real build-up I see against us, when we're servile going along with it all, what is it they're planning that's so horrible that they're gearing up militarily with a huge build-up for domestic suppression?

01:22:34.000 I mean, is it just implosion of the economy through their greed, or what?

01:22:38.000 Well, I think that, and also World War III.

01:22:42.000 I mean, Bush himself, as you know, Putin, last October, flew to Iran, met with Iranian leaders, and said he did not believe Iran was developing nuclear weapons.

01:22:56.000 Whereupon, President Bush then called a press conference and publicly threatened World War III over Iran.

01:23:03.000 I think the first time Certainly in my lifetime where anyone has threatened a World War III president publicly.

01:23:10.000 Now that threat was not directed at Iran because Iran isn't capable of engaging in a World War III.

01:23:17.000 It was directed at Russia.

01:23:19.000 We'll take Mohammed Karzai. 0.99

01:23:20.000 They're in a press conference, and Bush is talking about how Iran is with Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, and of course Karzai knows how bad that plays to all the satellite TV networks, where everyone over there knows the Wahhabis are Sunni, not Iranian Shiites, and that Iran is against the original organic Al-Qaeda or Al-Qaeda.

01:23:46.000 I mean, that was like saying that, you know, Martin Luther King is Adolf Hitler, which is complete opposites.

01:23:51.000 And he said, excuse me, Mr. President, no, Iran is helping us.

01:23:55.000 And Bush just said, no, they're not!

01:23:56.000 They're with Al-Qaeda.

01:23:58.000 And then, even before the Senate, McCain, a few months ago, the Senator said, you know, isn't it true that Iran's Al-Qaeda?

01:24:05.000 And he said, yes, that's true.

01:24:06.000 I mean, it's just, and they always smile when they do it.

01:24:09.000 It's just such Such disregard, arrogance, hatred of the public, just wanton lying.

01:24:17.000 I've studied a lot of history.

01:24:19.000 I know you have more so.

01:24:21.000 I've just never seen something this over-the-top and shoddy.

01:24:25.000 Studying propagandists, And even Goebbels said it, you know, the propaganda needs to be slick, it doesn't need to be too over-the-top sometimes, or then you get discredited.

01:24:36.000 It seems like they're going with just a, muddy the waters to the point of people... I mean, it's... there's got to be some method to the madness.

01:24:42.000 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:24:43.000 It's just... Right, well there is, and again, today it was just reported on the wire services that the Aircraft Carrier Task Force under the Reagan Uh, and it's all its support ships and some others are now moving into place into the Arabian Sea.

01:25:00.000 Uh, they will be arriving there about the third week in October, which will be right before the election.

01:25:05.000 So, it does seem to me that, um, there will or very well could be an attack upon Iran, uh, either before the election or, or after the election.

01:25:17.000 And that very well could set off a conflict, a direct conflict with Russia.

01:25:24.000 It could be that what happened here in Georgia was a faint in order to tie Russia down in Georgia and vilify everyone against Russia over Georgia while they're preparing to attack Iran and risk setting off World War III, which President Bush has publicly stated he is prepared to do with respect to Russia.

01:25:50.000 God help us, these people are going for broke.

01:25:52.000 Well, Dr. Boyle, thank you.

01:25:54.000 Plug the book one more time.

01:25:55.000 Well, they are going for broke, and we also have to understand then that Senator McCain has said that if there is a World War III, there will be a draft.

01:26:05.000 So that, I think, is why we're also seeing the police state tactics, that they are going for broke, And if this does happen, you'll see massive resistance here in the United States of America, certainly to a draft and a collapsing economy, and they're fully prepared to set up their police state.

01:26:05.000 Yes.

01:26:27.000 Well, you said it.

01:26:28.000 Tell us about the book one more time.

01:26:29.000 Well, the book is Biowarfare and Terrorism.

01:26:33.000 I didn't come out here to plug my book.

01:26:35.000 I came out here to try to explain, and as I see it, I think You know, the best of my assessment of the situation, what's going on.

01:26:44.000 Now, I know you didn't come on to plug your book, but we need to get your book out.

01:26:47.000 People need to read it, and that's why I keep wanting you to plug it, because people need to read that.

01:26:51.000 And I want to get you back up in the next few weeks, because you're such an expert on all this, and I totally agree with your analysis, sir, and we're just honored to have you.

01:26:58.000 Thank you so much, Dr. Boyle.

01:27:00.000 Well, thanks a lot for having me on, and lets everyone out there go out and act upon The information that they received in the show.

01:27:09.000 Thank you, sir.

01:27:10.000 We'll talk to you soon.

01:27:11.000 Bye.

01:27:11.000 All right.

01:27:11.000 Thanks.

01:27:12.000 There he goes.

01:27:13.000 Bring in Burmese police. 0.96

01:27:16.000 So I want to say bye to Burmese. 1.00

01:27:17.000 I'm about to leave.

01:27:18.000 I've got a few radio interviews tomorrow and I've got to get ready and geared up to go to the DNC and cover that.

01:27:25.000 You know, you do an interview like that, it just freaks you out.

01:27:26.000 I mean, these people are just psychopathic, starting World War III. 0.98

01:27:30.000 They're pure evil. 0.98

01:27:32.000 And I know, they said at Martial Law, I'm on a hit list. 1.00

01:27:35.000 And they're just bastards, man. 1.00

01:27:36.000 I just, I can't believe we have psychopathic demons running things. 1.00

01:27:39.000 And the public's running around fornicating in the streets. 1.00

01:27:44.000 Well, we've got good people like Burmey, and he's going to be here in town tomorrow.

01:27:51.000 You're doing the Sunday show, and you're doing the show next week when I'm in Denver with live call-ins and the rest of it.

01:27:55.000 So, Burmey, coming up tomorrow and next week, what do we have to look forward to from you?

01:28:02.000 We've got Gage, I think, tomorrow.

01:28:04.000 I think we have Ryan on Monday.

01:28:06.000 We're also going to be really picking apart this new World Trade Center 7 NIST report.

01:28:10.000 Obviously, all week at the DNC, we're going to have updates from yourself, Luke Hradowski, and Jonathan from We Are Change Colorado.

01:28:17.000 And, of course, I'm going to be playing more teasers and trailers of the new film, Fabled Enemies, before its release on September 1st, a little early for the PrisonPlanet.tv subscribers.

01:28:27.000 August 31st, but I've got a lot to do!

01:28:31.000 You know, and I just want to take this opportunity to thank you so much Alex for everything you've done for me and allowing me Hey, Trey just came in.

01:28:39.000 Let's bring Trey in.

01:28:40.000 Do you want to get on camera, Trey?

01:28:41.000 Benjamin Fulford tomorrow.

01:28:43.000 That's right, Benjamin Fulford of X-Forbes magazine editor.

01:28:47.000 He's the one that got that Rockefeller interview.

01:28:49.000 Straight out of Japan. 0.95

01:28:49.000 That'll be crazy. 0.95

01:28:51.000 It should be interesting.

01:28:52.000 I mean, I'm looking forward to it.

01:28:53.000 I'm open to other people.

01:28:55.000 But anyway, I want to just thank you for giving me the opportunity to come out here to make this other 9-11 film that a lot of people said that I didn't want to make or I was trying to cover up.

01:29:05.000 So, you know, without you, I don't think Fabled Enemies could have been possible.

01:29:08.000 Well, you've been with the Loose Changes only three years old, the original one.

01:29:10.000 You've been involved with them two years.

01:29:12.000 A little bit, like three this summer.

01:29:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:14.000 Give me the proper time frame.

01:29:17.000 I think it was three this summer.

01:29:18.000 I met them in the summer of 2005.

01:29:20.000 So that's when I started to get involved, basically that week.

01:29:23.000 And I've been on this roller coaster ever since.

01:29:25.000 And I've been researching since 2002, about six months after the attack.

01:29:28.000 The first video you saw was Road to Tyranny, right?

01:29:31.000 First video that really scared me, you bet.

01:29:34.000 I'd been researching 9-11 for probably about six weeks to two months, and I just wanted to know more and more, and I come across this guy named Alex Jones, and I find this 77 megabyte real media file, just totally choppy, audio's out of sync by like 20 seconds or whatever.

01:29:49.000 And me and my roommate sat down and watched it, and I didn't want to do anything more than to prove you wrong on just about anything, and I wasn't able to do it.

01:29:55.000 I was able to verify your information, and it really led me on this path to find out all the other stuff you talked about.

01:30:01.000 It's on an extermination list.

01:30:02.000 Awesome.

01:30:03.000 Well, I'm willing to have my name on that list because, you know, it's just like I say, if I'm not free and you're not free.

01:30:08.000 No, I mean, we have murdering monster terrorists who put poison in vaccines that kill kids.

01:30:12.000 I've had it, man. 0.99

01:30:13.000 I've had it with you killing. 0.98

01:30:14.000 I'm sick of you, Phil.

01:30:16.000 We're going to bring you to justice.

01:30:18.000 And Barmash, you're going to be sitting in this whole week.

01:30:19.000 We're going to cut now into retransmission from today's show with all those huge guests that we had on.

01:30:27.000 Great interview with Resistance Manifesto, Mark Dice, we had our InfoWars reporter, Shane Geiger, who got into the NIST deal and made a stink and got shut down.

01:30:39.000 From Texas to Maryland, Alex.

01:30:41.000 And they turned the lights off on him.

01:30:42.000 So that's coming up.

01:30:43.000 We're going to cut into a rebroadcast where I was taking phone calls right now, and the Burmese will be back live tomorrow, 11 to 3, and then Sunday 4 to 6.

01:30:50.000 He is a great guy and we appreciate him.

01:30:52.000 Pre-order Fabled Enemies now.

01:30:54.000 It's going to be shipping in 10 days, the new film.

01:30:57.000 And don't forget, it'll be up on PrisonPlanet.tv.

01:30:59.000 Burmese deserves this film to be big.

01:31:00.000 It's important and it covers the really dangerous subjects of 9-11.

01:31:05.000 Thank you for coming in, Burmese.

01:31:06.000 Thank you.

Alex Jones Show - August 21, 2008

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