Alex Jones Show - 20080911_Thu_Alex

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00:00:52.000 Well, we're already about 25 minutes into our interview with William Engdahl, investigative journalist, author, academic researcher, amazing individual.

00:01:07.000 I want to make this clear.

00:01:11.000 GMO was created by the eugenicist.

00:01:14.000 They understand that breeding and seeds and animals is key.

00:01:17.000 And they've just conditioned us to announce, hey, clone beef on store shelves now, without labels.

00:01:23.000 Clone chickens, clone cows, it's all out there now, it's all been announced.

00:01:27.000 Oh, we're doing cross-species human hybrids for organ harvesting. 0.73

00:01:31.000 But we're keeping them small, down at the little embryo level.

00:01:34.000 Then you read deeper in the research, they're not.

00:01:36.000 That's the stuff they admit.

00:01:38.000 Splicing humans with pigs, insects.

00:01:42.000 Going back 20 years ago, they had meant spiders with goats for body armor.

00:01:49.000 It is completely out of control, and I've had all these top genetic engineers, people that were running major companies making millions a year, and they would feed a new potato with one gene changed to the rats, and half the rats would die.

00:02:03.000 And then if you kept feeding it, they'd all die.

00:02:05.000 And they'd say, we've got to tell the public.

00:02:07.000 And they'd say, no.

00:02:08.000 And then magically, see this is a perfect crime.

00:02:10.000 Because very few people can go look at this and study this and then do the multi-million dollar test to see what it does.

00:02:16.000 But when they find out, they know what the studies are doing.

00:02:19.000 When other groups and other institutions study it, they find it's sterilizing mammals.

00:02:23.000 It's toxifying them, increasing cancer.

00:02:26.000 They're finding mutations after gestation.

00:02:30.000 Which they'd always thought you got deformities, you know, during early embryonic development, but they're finding rats and guinea pigs and things are getting deformed.

00:02:43.000 And having deformities with organs and things after they're born.

00:02:46.000 I mean, this is mega massive, ladies and gentlemen.

00:02:50.000 That's some of the things I wanted to throw out there, because this is so diabolical.

00:02:54.000 I know he says it gets into all that, but I want to get your take on that.

00:02:57.000 So continue walking us through this story that you cover in your amazing investigative book, sir.

00:03:02.000 Please continue.

00:03:03.000 Let's take the geopolitics a step further in time and go to the year 1992, some time after this whole GMO project was started by the Rockefeller Foundation, and we have a meeting, a closed door White House meeting, unpublicized, between George Herbert Walker Bush, the president at the time, and the president of Monsanto in St.

00:03:26.000 Louis, the leading patenter of genetically modified seeds, and also the chemical herbicides that are uniquely suited to those GMO seeds, like Roundup Ready Soybean Seeds and Roundup Herbicide by Monsanto.

00:03:45.000 You have to have both.

00:03:47.000 So anyway, Monsanto sat down with Papa Bush in 1992 and said, look, this can be a huge... This was the public version of what they said.

00:03:58.000 I can imagine what they said in private.

00:04:00.000 This can be a huge boon, a new growth area for the U.S.

00:04:03.000 economy, biotechnology, genetically modified seeds and so forth.

00:04:08.000 But in order for the private sector to really do its stuff, we need to be free to be creative.

00:04:15.000 Free from government meddling.

00:04:18.000 So, Father Bush signed an executive order that is called the Substantial Equivalence Order.

00:04:25.000 Now, listeners should write that down and study that word and look it up under Google, because it's worth looking.

00:04:32.000 Substantial Equivalent means, according to Bush, according to this executive department order in 1992, The GMO corn or GMO soybean is to henceforth be treated As substantially equivalent to a normal ear of corn or a normal sprout of soybeans.

00:04:50.000 So they wave a magic wand, no more testing, no more nothing, put whatever you want on their plates, add other animal, insect, plant, DNA to it, just, just, just, I'm, I'm, I'm the judge, jury, I'm now the EPA and the FDA, I wave a wand.

00:05:05.000 The EPA and the FDA then was, was staffed by Monsanto people or people from DuPont and In a revolving door system, and they would write the rules for the EPA, the EPA would accept the tests of Monsanto as Bible truth, and never second-guess them.

00:05:23.000 I mean, the criminal conflict of interest here is just staggering, and most Americans think, well, we have a Food and Drug Administration that is mandated to protect the food and health of the American people.

00:05:35.000 Well, guess again, ladies and gentlemen.

00:05:38.000 They aren't doing that in Washington since at least 1992.

00:05:41.000 Briefly, briefly, I just want to add this and I'm going to try to let you go, there's just so much, I want to back up.

00:05:45.000 Remember the different university studies they did in the US and Europe where they found that if an authority figure said kill one in a test, they thought in the university they were really killing people.

00:05:58.000 Ninety plus percent of the time they would commit the murder just because an authority figure told them it was okay to do in a university study.

00:06:06.000 Remember the electroshocks?

00:06:07.000 It's the same thing.

00:06:08.000 The President says, no more restrictions, no more testing.

00:06:12.000 They would then follow the orders, even though whistleblowers came out and said, this is deadly.

00:06:16.000 This is going to kill people.

00:06:17.000 They just said, nope.

00:06:18.000 The President says it's good.

00:06:21.000 Well, one of the most famous cases of whistleblowers, a dear friend of mine, Dr. Arpad Pustai, who was interviewed in Scotland, and he was fired from Rowett Research Institute at the time, 1997.

00:06:34.000 He was the world's leading GMO researcher and thought it was a positive boon for mankind, a solution to world hunger.

00:06:42.000 And he did exactly the kind of research you're talking about, with laboratory rats and potatoes.

00:06:48.000 And this man is no amateur.

00:06:50.000 He's now 77 years old and a highly, highly informed and careful scientist.

00:06:58.000 And he found that the brains, the inner organs of the rats fed on GMO potatoes diet for more than three months were dramatically shrunken.

00:07:09.000 And he told his boss and said, we have to sound the alarm on this.

00:07:12.000 They went on Channel 4, a prominent British television channel.

00:07:16.000 It was picked up all around the world for 72 hours.

00:07:19.000 And then suddenly, it was dead in the water.

00:07:21.000 You never heard another word about it.

00:07:22.000 And they fired him.

00:07:23.000 Thank God for him blowing the whistle.

00:07:25.000 I interviewed him several times.

00:07:27.000 I've dropped out of touch with him.

00:07:29.000 I need to get his number again.

00:07:30.000 We had a computer fail.

00:07:31.000 I need to get him back on, but go ahead.

00:07:33.000 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:07:34.000 He's more than willing to talk about these dangers.

00:07:38.000 But as he puts it, basically the British government was willing to make the population human guinea pigs and something that should be At the very, very minimum, 20 or more years of long-term, totally controlled animal studies before the genie is released and set forth on the human species.

00:07:57.000 And by the way, you just glazed over that.

00:07:59.000 It did a lot more to the rats.

00:08:00.000 It caused the bizarre afterbirth deformity.

00:08:03.000 It caused them to have intestinal tumors, all sorts of medical problems.

00:08:07.000 These were some other experiments, as far as I know, but... Yeah, well, on my show he was covering the other experiments.

00:08:12.000 Okay, but that... Yeah.

00:08:17.000 In other words, it's highly unstable as Dr. Pustai repeatedly points out.

00:08:23.000 This is not some stable alteration.

00:08:26.000 It's not like hybrid corn where you breed two Two strains of corn for weather resistance.

00:08:32.000 This is introducing foreign genetic material.

00:08:35.000 This is unnatural alteration of the DNA.

00:08:39.000 But that's what Rush Limbaugh does.

00:08:40.000 He goes on and he says, when you breed two dogs, that's genetic engineering.

00:08:46.000 When you cross the corn, like George Washington Carver, but that's natural breeding.

00:08:52.000 That's how things naturally mixed in the wild.

00:08:55.000 It's the same species.

00:08:56.000 It's not with a gene gun, firing reptile genetics into a salmon gene, and then putting that in corn.

00:09:04.000 Yeah.

00:09:06.000 Well, let me give another example, which is, I think, one of the emblematic examples.

00:09:12.000 In 2001, a small San Diego biotech company called Epoceet, maybe you've heard of it.

00:09:18.000 A few people have.

00:09:19.000 Epoceet, the president of Epoceet, gave a press conference.

00:09:23.000 He was just as Pleased as punch to announce this to the world.

00:09:27.000 And he said, back behind me we have a greenhouse full of spermicidal corn.

00:09:33.000 That is corn genetically modified so that men, this is not animals, men who eat this corn will become sterile.

00:09:42.000 And it's a spermicide, it kills sperm. 1.00

00:09:45.000 And he said this is a solution to the world population problem.

00:09:50.000 Now, if you live in Mexico, you know how, or if you even travel through Mexico and Central America, you know that corn is a staple of the peasant diet.

00:10:00.000 And that's going to jump into other corn, open-air planted, just like protegene, with the AIDS virus jackets in the corn, and then that happened eight years ago and was quietly covered up.

00:10:14.000 unbelievable well uh... as one uh...

00:10:20.000 scientist from stanford universities put it uh...

00:10:25.000 you would think that uh...

00:10:26.000 uh...

00:10:27.000 people on in the right mind would do something like this but as he put it and he worked on the jason project with the pentagon as a biologist and so forth knew a little bit the inside story said not everybody is in their right mind And that, I think, sums it up.

00:10:41.000 There are people in a power elite, For them, power is a self-feeding aphrodisiac of some perverse sort that I don't fully understand, but they are different from ordinary human beings.

00:10:54.000 Human life is, for them, simply an externality.

00:11:00.000 Their friends are provided for as they see fit than the rest of the human species.

00:11:05.000 Well, I agree.

00:11:06.000 I agree, but it's worse than that.

00:11:07.000 A lot of top futurists, top globalists have written, and history shows it with Nero and the craziness, Vlad the Impaler.

00:11:17.000 They go crazy and they become nihilistic and self-destructive.

00:11:22.000 And so you hear them writing about it.

00:11:24.000 Even the head people at Hadron are saying, well, there's a small chance it'll destroy the Earth, but we don't care.

00:11:29.000 And they put the death god Shiva above it.

00:11:32.000 Or you talk to these geneticists and they go, so what?

00:11:35.000 So if we make something that takes over the planet, that's regular evolution because we evolved and did it.

00:11:40.000 And so what if it kills us all? 0.99

00:11:41.000 We need to be killed. 0.99

00:11:42.000 I mean, these are maniacs and they get off Unlike driving a car at 100 miles an hour around jagged turns, a lot of Hollywood folks do stuff like that and get killed, like James Dean. 1.00

00:11:53.000 It is just a complete mania.

00:11:56.000 Yep, yep.

00:11:58.000 And now, go back a little bit to the 1950s, because the Rockefeller Foundation again was behind this project called the Agribusiness Project of the Harvard Business School.

00:12:12.000 John W. Davis, who was a former Assistant Agriculture Secretary under Eisenhower.

00:12:16.000 Ray Goldberg, who is still kicking at age 91 and sits on the board of several GMO companies.

00:12:23.000 Goldberg and Davis created something called agribusiness.

00:12:26.000 They invented the term.

00:12:29.000 And what their goal was, was to vertically integrate the entire food production, processing and distribution into a mega-industry, globalized.

00:12:41.000 First in the United States and then globalized in the last 15-20 years.

00:12:46.000 And in doing so, and then adding as the icing on the cake, patented seeds, GMO seeds.

00:12:53.000 In a few years there'll be seeds secretly filled with Terminator.

00:12:58.000 Ostensibly to protect patent rights of Monsanto et al.

00:13:03.000 They will have control and they will be able, in a military sense, to exercise strategic denial.

00:13:09.000 If a country like Iraq or Iran or Zimbabwe or any other priority hate object of a particular Washington government, God forbid that we would ever have a government which doesn't exercise reason and justice in Washington, But in case that were to happen, and they would simply say, okay, Monsanto, cut off the seed supply of Zimbabwe.

00:13:34.000 Cut off the seed supply of China.

00:13:35.000 Cut off the seed supply of Azerbaijan. 1.00

00:13:38.000 And they've been running around, grabbing up, paying ten times what it's worth, in one case I saw, for heirloom seed companies.

00:13:44.000 They've bought up almost all of them, and they hoard the seeds, shut them off, no longer sell them, let those seed lines die in the public.

00:13:52.000 domain, and then in places like Iraq, where they have captured clients, they're forcing total conversion over to the GMO, and then it's jumping in to all of its naturally occurring variants.

00:14:08.000 Well, Iraq is a particularly strategic area, because Iraq is the ancient biblical Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilizations.

00:14:19.000 The valley between the Tigris and Euphrates was the first cultivation of wheat.

00:14:25.000 And they have more wheat varieties in a seed bank in Iraq before the last war.

00:14:34.000 Yeah, not for long.

00:14:35.000 Yeah, well, the seed bank disappeared.

00:14:38.000 It happened to be in a place called Abu Ghraib.

00:14:41.000 Some of your listeners might have heard of that.

00:14:43.000 And it utterly disappeared off the face of Iraq. 0.85

00:14:46.000 Now a death dungeon, yes.

00:14:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:49.000 So that's the kind of thing.

00:14:52.000 And then you have Bill Gates Foundation and Rockefeller and Monsanto building the Doomsday Seed Vault.

00:15:00.000 impermeable to nuclear attack or any other kind of natural or man-made disaster up there in the North Sea in the North Pole.

00:15:09.000 They know what they're doing.

00:15:10.000 In fact, a Monsanto executive, what, nine years ago, was actually even in the big Eugenics publication, the front National Geographic, but they even admitted there they had the quote to paraphrase, well we're just going to infect everything with our genetics and then use courts to basically take over those companies.

00:15:26.000 And that's what they do.

00:15:27.000 They infect you and then charge you for having their genetics.

00:15:31.000 Yep.

00:15:32.000 Yeah.

00:15:33.000 Yeah.

00:15:35.000 It's control.

00:15:39.000 It's about total control.

00:15:41.000 Full spectrum dominance is the military side of it, the next book that I'm publishing.

00:15:47.000 But the control over the food, you control the people, as Kissinger said.

00:15:51.000 Well, I want you to hit the key points, but right now, Global Research, great folks, Michelle Chosodosky, they published your book.

00:15:57.000 By the way, I want to carry it.

00:15:58.000 I just got so busy, I haven't bought it in bulk from them.

00:16:00.000 I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure it's excellent.

00:16:02.000 I carry some other Well, I think your readers would find it more than worthwhile, and I would be very happy to have you.

00:16:09.000 Well, we do carry some books on GMO by some other great scholars, but this guy's dead on, great researcher, but he's good on the full spectrum, speaking of that term.

00:16:18.000 Other guys we have on seem to be specialists, you seem to be somewhat of a generalist, but also with a lot of detailed knowledge in each area, that's what I do.

00:16:24.000 But yeah, give out the phone number, give out the website, tell folks about the book.

00:16:28.000 Okay.

00:16:29.000 The book is available through Global Research, www.globalresearch.ca for Canada.

00:16:36.000 The book is called Seeds of Destruction, The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation, F. William Engdahl, and it's available.

00:16:46.000 I don't have the current price in mind, but if you go direct to the publisher, the Published USA price is $24.95 and if you go direct to the publisher you get this, I believe, a discount on that.

00:17:00.000 Now, do you have a personal site or you just write for them?

00:17:03.000 No, no, no, no.

00:17:04.000 I have a personal site.

00:17:05.000 I write worldwide.

00:17:07.000 My writings are picked up in... Yeah, give out the site because I see so many sites with you on it I'm not sure which one to plug.

00:17:13.000 My personal site, which is a compilation of all languages of my Uh, writings and so forth is www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics, one word, .net.

00:17:31.000 That's right, we plugged that last week.

00:17:33.000 And we'll put that up on screen for folks.

00:17:35.000 Give that out one more time.

00:17:37.000 Okay, www.engdahl.net.

00:17:51.000 Okay, I'm going to skip this break for the Infowars.com stream listeners and PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.

00:17:57.000 Everybody else will be back in three minutes, but I can't waste any time on this subject.

00:18:00.000 It's so important.

00:18:00.000 When we come back, though, we're going to talk about the fact that we won a major victory.

00:18:07.000 We can defeat these people.

00:18:09.000 But then they came in with a counter-strike.

00:18:12.000 So that's the moral of the story.

00:18:13.000 The fight goes on.

00:18:15.000 It's the long march.

00:18:16.000 It's the going the distance that matters.

00:18:19.000 Stay with us.

00:18:23.000 Okay, William, I'm going to go back to him, John.

00:18:28.000 I'm going to go back to him.

00:18:29.000 I'm going to skip this break.

00:18:31.000 William, this is so important.

00:18:32.000 If you can't do it, it's fine.

00:18:34.000 I want to move Bob Chapman, when he calls in 10 minutes, back about 15, because I want to finish this up, and I've been adding a lot, but I know he's got more he wants to add.

00:18:44.000 Okay, we can go to a few minutes after the hour if that's okay.

00:18:50.000 I know your back gets to you.

00:18:52.000 How far do you want to go?

00:18:54.000 Five minutes after the hour will be fine.

00:18:56.000 Okay, and then we'll do, in a few weeks when your book comes out, the full spectrum dominance discussion.

00:19:01.000 That'd be excellent.

00:19:02.000 Okay, well when Chapman calls, just tell him to stay on hold then.

00:19:04.000 Okay, that's fantastic.

00:19:07.000 And I really appreciate your scholarly work and your research.

00:19:10.000 I look forward to... Do you ever come to the United States?

00:19:14.000 Uh, seldom.

00:19:16.000 It's a physically exhausting trip and I seldom get there.

00:19:20.000 I understand.

00:19:21.000 I would like to, maybe we'll pay for a satellite uplink and do it, I would like to interview you for another, I'm going to make a, you haven't seen my film Endgame, I'm going to make a similar film, it won't be Endgame, about all this and it'll reach millions of people.

00:19:35.000 I would like to interview you and others for that film coming up in the next year.

00:19:42.000 Okay.

00:19:44.000 I'm sure we can find some electronic.

00:19:46.000 I do it with the Russian TV, with Chinese media, all sorts of places all over the world.

00:19:52.000 So I'm sure we can figure out something.

00:19:54.000 Absolutely.

00:19:55.000 I'll get you in the chair over there, and we'll do that interview that way.

00:19:59.000 That's absolutely fabulous.

00:20:01.000 Yeah, I've got a couple of satellite uplink places right down the street.

00:20:03.000 I was just in one for press TV for an hour yesterday, and I do Russia Today as well.

00:20:11.000 And, in fact, that's where we learned about you.

00:20:13.000 I'd seen your articles, but I hadn't put two and two together.

00:20:15.000 When I saw you on Russia Today, that was good.

00:20:18.000 Russia Today?

00:20:19.000 Oh, Johnson's? 0.95

00:20:22.000 Well, you may not have.

00:20:23.000 It was a phone interview, but you were on Russia Today.

00:20:25.000 I saw it.

00:20:27.000 No, I did a phone interview with Real News, I think it was.

00:20:27.000 Okay.

00:20:30.000 On Georgia about three or four weeks ago.

00:20:32.000 Yeah, well, they must have picked a clip up of it and put it on Russia today.

00:20:35.000 Okay, that can be.

00:20:37.000 Yeah, they tend to do that.

00:20:39.000 Okay, well, that's fantastic.

00:20:41.000 We're going to go live right now, and I want to talk about some of the victories we've had, and then I'm just going to give you the floor in the last five minutes.

00:20:47.000 Other hitting key points here for the listeners.

00:20:52.000 Are you enjoying the radio interview?

00:20:53.000 Oh, very much.

00:20:54.000 Very much.

00:20:55.000 Well, we really appreciate you.

00:20:56.000 It's so hard to grasp how big and evil this is, just how real it is.

00:21:02.000 It's so diabolical.

00:21:03.000 It's like a comic book or something, what the evil mastermind comes up with.

00:21:08.000 Okay, here we go.

00:21:10.000 I hope that you'll join me in this new sense of American security.

00:21:13.000 Call eFoodsDirect.com.

00:21:14.000 That's eFoodsDirect.com.

00:21:17.000 Or 1-800-409-5633.

00:21:18.000 That's 1-800-409-5633.

00:21:21.000 Call them today.

00:21:22.000 You'll be glad you did.

00:21:25.000 The American people are the guinea pigs. 0.99

00:21:28.000 It's all tested here.

00:21:29.000 The fluoridation of water, the mercury in vaccines, the sterilization.

00:21:35.000 The Rockefellers really got their power.

00:21:37.000 30 plus states had forced sterilization laws.

00:21:41.000 They carry out their eugenics operations. 0.95

00:21:43.000 They founded the Human Genome Project.

00:21:45.000 They're head scientists saying blacks weren't human a few months ago.

00:21:48.000 Had to step down Dr. Watson. 0.79

00:21:51.000 This is what they're up to.

00:21:53.000 And they're playing God.

00:21:54.000 And they are intelligent.

00:21:55.000 They do have a lot of foresight.

00:21:56.000 But when the people said no to human growth hormone in the milk, they just passed laws where you basically can't label it.

00:22:04.000 Or when the people said we want organic food and started buying it, they just passed a law saying it can be 75% inorganic, genetically spliced, and they'll call it organic.

00:22:14.000 So they're hitting us at every level.

00:22:17.000 And they'll go in and pay $100 million payments to African countries just to get this food in.

00:22:22.000 And folks all over the world are saying no, so companies have been caught illegally planting in places like Brazil.

00:22:30.000 I mean, they want to get it in.

00:22:32.000 They want to infest.

00:22:33.000 They come in and plant their seeds, and they've caught retired Royal Mounted Police literally throwing GMO seeds into the gutters by fields.

00:22:44.000 I mean, this is bio-warfare.

00:22:48.000 Three minutes left in this segment, then five in the next.

00:22:50.000 You've got to leave us, Bob Chapman, coming up.

00:22:52.000 You've got the floor. 0.95

00:22:52.000 I'm going to shut up. 0.95

00:22:53.000 I've brought in my points.

00:22:55.000 Other key areas we haven't covered.

00:22:58.000 Well, to go back to this project from the 1950s, to give readers an idea, this project is very concrete.

00:23:05.000 You know, if you think of some vast abstract conspiracy, then you feel hopeless and overwhelmed.

00:23:10.000 But it's very concrete, and I think that's important.

00:23:13.000 That's what I try to do in all of my books, to give people a sense of the actual concrete individuals who are doing this, the actual concrete institutions, and so forth.

00:23:24.000 And this agribusiness project I think is absolutely essential to understand.

00:23:29.000 You go into a supermarket today because of modern advertising, most American shoppers think food is grown in a supermarket at the Giant or Walmart or what will you.

00:23:41.000 And this is a product of something called agribusiness.

00:23:44.000 You no longer have the possibility to go to a farmer's market in most parts of the country.

00:23:50.000 Similar thing in Europe, although you do still have institutions in France, Germany, and elsewhere of these weekly farmer's markets.

00:23:57.000 Thank goodness.

00:23:58.000 But more and more of those are getting agribusiness tomatoes from Holland or South Africa or whatever.

00:24:08.000 The vertical integration of the food chain in the hands of three or four giant multinational companies.

00:24:16.000 The grain trade is in the hands of essentially three giant corporations.

00:24:20.000 One of them, Cargill Corporation, is a private family-held corporation.

00:24:26.000 The former chairman of it, Whitney McMillan, was a Skull and Bones member along with the Bush father and son at Yale University.

00:24:36.000 They have more power than most governments.

00:24:39.000 They determine the power, and this I documented in on-the-spot research talking to principals involved at the European Commission in Brussels and Belgium back in the 1980s.

00:24:52.000 They determine European Union grain policies.

00:24:56.000 They were the ones who determined that the grain mountains would be eliminated in Europe and also in the United States just in time for their policy of 0.82

00:25:07.000 uh... biofuels uh... burning corn burning different uh... crops like uh... canola rapeseed uh... as is automobile fuel instead of using it for the for the human food chain of the animal food chain and what is that done in the last three years since two thousand five in the bush administration provided these huge incentives for biofuels to farmers uh... half of the corn crop of the united states of america is burned for For transport fuels.

00:25:36.000 It's absolutely criminal.

00:25:38.000 So this is the kind of thing that they're playing around with this agribusiness, this cartelization, monopolization of the food chain.

00:25:45.000 And that is a highly unhealthy process for the human species.

00:25:49.000 All right, got a break.

00:25:49.000 One minute break.

00:25:50.000 Final segment with F. William, our guest, just an amazing researcher, F. William Engdahl.

00:25:59.000 I'm Alex Jones.

00:26:00.000 Stay with us.

00:26:01.000 This is warfare.

00:26:05.000 I'm going to skip this one minute break, too.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, for the internet listeners, William, we're skipping this little break right now.

00:26:15.000 This thing goes up on PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:26:17.000 They're watching live.

00:26:18.000 They're listening live, and it's magnified as it spills out onto all the web channels.

00:26:21.000 And it's important, viewers, to not just put this up on YouTube and Google, but other tracks, because we've got YouTube and Google erasing a lot of our stuff.

00:26:29.000 Hit them there.

00:26:30.000 That's where it goes viral. 0.98

00:26:31.000 But hit the enemy at every other point.

00:26:34.000 Let's come back and wrap this up for folks, the fact that this really is a military operation, as you said, and kind of go back to the beginning, back to the start, so we can recap the fact that the eugenicists, as you document in your book and your research, started all of this, and any other points you want to make in the final five minutes we have, okay?

00:26:57.000 Well, Alex, I'd like to make one very crucial point.

00:27:01.000 A lot of people are of the impression That this is all a question of corporate greed.

00:27:08.000 Monsanto has corporate greed, Sengenta, Dow, DuPont, and so forth.

00:27:13.000 It's not corporate greed.

00:27:16.000 They wouldn't have taken such a high risk.

00:27:18.000 It's eugenics. 0.99

00:27:18.000 It's their religion. 0.99

00:27:19.000 They want to kill everybody. 1.00

00:27:20.000 Stay there. 0.99

00:27:21.000 Come in and tell them.

00:27:22.000 See, I've never read your book, but I know the answer because they say they're going to kill us.

00:27:25.000 Here we go.

00:27:25.000 Now into the fourth and final hour, we've got Bob Chapman, our national forecaster, coming on Economic News, 9-11 Info.

00:27:38.000 Last five minutes with F. William Engdahl, researcher, author.

00:27:46.000 In the final equation, as you talk about in your book, this is not being done for greed.

00:27:51.000 It's not being done for even power.

00:27:52.000 It is their religion. 0.89

00:27:54.000 They believe exterminating the vast majority of the population is the goal.

00:27:57.000 So, give us, lay it out, and it's in their own words.

00:28:02.000 What is this really all about?

00:28:04.000 Well, it's about supremacy, and the ultimate form of supremacy is genocide.

00:28:09.000 Sir, you've got four minutes.

00:28:14.000 I went through four years of university with some of the scions of these families, the Rockefellers, the Firestones, the DuPonts, and so forth.

00:28:24.000 They are not charming people on a one-on-one basis.

00:28:28.000 I would maintain that they are, in a clinical, classical, psychoanalytical sense, highly paranoid people.

00:28:37.000 Terrified that the masses, as they see it, the hordes out there, are going to steal everything they've grabbed and accumulated over the decades.

00:28:49.000 And therefore, I think they've gone to these lengths.

00:28:53.000 It's a perversion that's taken on a life of its own, but it's literally, at this point, To the point where if we don't roll this back in some way or another it may already be too late in terms of GMO.

00:29:07.000 The genie may be out of the bottle.

00:29:08.000 Some serious scientists think that that may be the case.

00:29:12.000 I think not so long as in Western Europe there is massive resistance on the grassroots level against GMO.

00:29:20.000 The governments have not been able to satisfy Monsanto and the other Gene Giants in terms of promoting this in Europe because there's too much backlash against it.

00:29:32.000 They have had extreme difficulties in Asia, in China, in Africa and so forth.

00:29:39.000 And so it hasn't, they haven't gotten, they tried to pull something off at the Rome Food Summit in June.

00:29:47.000 They made an extra effort to play up the world hunger emergency with the tripling of the price of rice, the basic food staple of more than 1.5 billion people or 2 billion people across Asia.

00:30:02.000 And they invited Pope Benedict as a personal distinguished guest to the conference in the hopes that he would give a papal blessing to GMO as a solution to the world hunger crisis.

00:30:16.000 And he didn't, did he?

00:30:17.000 He didn't do it.

00:30:18.000 I won't go through all the details as it was told to me by people in Rome who are highly informed, but thank the Lord that he didn't do it, but that just shows you that this And suddenly the theme of world hunger disappeared from the agenda.

00:30:33.000 Their operation didn't succeed.

00:30:36.000 Let's point out that even within the eugenicists, some of them don't like it, like Prince Philip and Prince Charles. 0.87

00:30:41.000 They're evil.

00:30:42.000 They want to exterminate people, and we have their names on those documents. 0.99

00:30:45.000 They've stated it.

00:30:46.000 But they're like, don't do it this way, and they're right.

00:30:48.000 I mean, this endangers everything.

00:30:50.000 And I also want to add, it's not just the elites.

00:30:53.000 You've got, like in Blade Runner, little shops in Hong Kong and in South Korea, as you know, where they're privately, little families, little companies, are splicing rhesus monkeys with jellyfish that glow in the dark, and that causes all sorts of viral releases from DNA, bacterial mutations.

00:31:10.000 We've had a lot of scientists on about that.

00:31:12.000 So there's also all these other crazy rogues out, literally playing with Shiva.

00:31:17.000 I mean, literally playing with Kali.

00:31:20.000 I mean, this is opening the gates of hell.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:24.000 Well, maybe the human race isn't fit to survive.

00:31:28.000 I'm an optimist.

00:31:29.000 I think we are.

00:31:30.000 No, I agree with you.

00:31:31.000 I wrote the book.

00:31:32.000 Well, I mean, I'm not calling for crises, but there have already been a lot of crises with this stuff and a lot of big problems.

00:31:37.000 And we know it's hurting humans.

00:31:39.000 Just the faster that can come out, the better, so we can really get control of this and then have heavily transparent research and maybe even have some GMO.

00:31:49.000 but it's got to be done very, very slowly, very, very carefully.

00:31:53.000 Do you agree that some of it's okay if it's controlled properly?

00:31:56.000 No, I think the methodology of GMO is reductivist in a scientific sense and utterly flawed.

00:32:04.000 So, so, so, you believe... The key canon approach is that there's no way that this could be stable.

00:32:08.000 There may be in the universe of possibilities some way that it can be.

00:32:11.000 I won't rule that out.

00:32:13.000 I'm not a biologist.

00:32:15.000 It's just too dangerous.

00:32:16.000 Even if you meant to do good with it, it's too dangerous.

00:32:18.000 Stay there.

00:32:19.000 I want to say bye to you right now.

00:32:20.000 Brimfulwars.com viewers.

00:32:24.000 Okay, sir, I'm going to have Trey call you.

00:32:26.000 That professor, Arlipied, I interviewed him twice, then the computer we had and transferred the number got lost, so I never got him back on.

00:32:35.000 Let me have Trey call you in about ten minutes, let you have a break, and can you give me his email or his phone, he's been on several times, you can just Google that, so I can get him back on, and then I want to have you on in about Two weeks when the book comes out, I want to carry it.

00:32:50.000 I've read some of the synopsis of Full Spectrum Dominance.

00:32:53.000 I have a big bookstore online.

00:32:54.000 Well, big.

00:32:54.000 It's bigger than Global Research.

00:32:55.000 They're great folks.

00:32:57.000 Or is Global Research publishing your new Full Spectrum Dominance?

00:33:00.000 I'm self-publishing.

00:33:03.000 Are you using a self-publisher?

00:33:04.000 Are you having a bunch of them printed up?

00:33:06.000 No, I'm using a self-publisher.

00:33:08.000 Okay, well, maybe off-air I'll talk to you about carrying some of your stuff?

00:33:12.000 Well, we can talk about it.

00:33:13.000 I'm open, but it's got to be on at least as good terms as I can do by... I'm not even worried about all that, man.

00:33:19.000 That's why I got you on, plugging it.

00:33:20.000 Somebody to buy it.

00:33:22.000 Very good.

00:33:22.000 It's just, if I sell it on my website, I'll sell 20 times as much as you ever will with me plugging global research.

00:33:27.000 Because what happens is, that's what I do every day.

00:33:30.000 I have guests on, and I plug their things.

00:33:31.000 It's not even about the money.

00:33:33.000 I do advertising, everything here, just to pay for making my films.

00:33:37.000 They lose money, but tens of millions watch them on the web.

00:33:39.000 It's all mission-oriented.

00:33:41.000 Okay.

00:33:42.000 Because my children have no future if we don't do that.

00:33:46.000 So I'm just saying, yeah, no, I mean, I would, but I'm saying if you sell published like on some on-demand thing, or are you printing up a bunch yourself?

00:33:53.000 No, it's Books On Demand, Lightning Source.

00:33:58.000 Then I know that's cost prohibitive for you to even be able to sell them to me in bulk, because they charge you so much.

00:34:05.000 You want to look at... Have your guy get to me on Some of the terms and maybe we can work something out.

00:34:11.000 I'm totally open.

00:34:12.000 I'm fed up with publishers who cheat and leave me with nothing at the end of the day and don't promote the book.

00:34:19.000 Oh no, no, no.

00:34:19.000 You'd do much better to say have three or four thousand printed yourself and then sell them to wholesalers like myself, like Global Research, and with ten contacts like that.

00:34:29.000 I just want your book to get out.

00:34:31.000 I just want what you're doing to get out.

00:34:33.000 And again, this show has total transparency.

00:34:36.000 We're even on air right now, just for the internet.

00:34:39.000 Before we leave, give out your website one more time.

00:34:42.000 Okay.

00:34:43.000 It's www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.com.

00:34:53.000 Okay, well, listen, we'll get you up for a couple hours on Full Spectrum Dominance in a few weeks, and I want to have you back on for maybe an hour sometime in a few months about those elitists you went to school with.

00:35:04.000 We've had other people on, academics who've been in school with them, to describe the evil I've had their roommates on and things.

00:35:09.000 Thank you so much, sir.

00:35:11.000 Thank you for having me, Alex.

00:35:12.000 I enjoyed it very much.

00:35:13.000 I enjoyed you.

00:35:14.000 God bless you.

00:35:14.000 Okay, do we have Bob Chapman?

00:35:18.000 Yes, we do.

00:35:18.000 I just have to transfer him over.

00:35:19.000 He is ready.

00:35:20.000 Well done.

00:35:21.000 Thank you.

00:35:21.000 Oh, and for all the viewers out there, all my films are free online.

00:35:24.000 That's what it's all about.

00:35:25.000 Defeating the globalists.

00:35:26.000 And only you can stop them.

00:35:28.000 You can put the films out en masse to everybody on your email list, and we can defeat them.

00:35:32.000 All of us.

00:35:33.000 It's that attitude of victory, knowing we're going to have it!

00:35:35.000 Let's go live!

00:35:37.000 We are back live, ladies and gentlemen.

00:35:49.000 The next.

00:35:51.000 In the next 51 minutes, we are joined by Bob Chapman.

00:35:54.000 Now, coming up at the bottom of the hour in 20 minutes, we'll open the phones up for 9-11 Truth, economic questions, anything you want to discuss, but so much has been happening.

00:36:03.000 Unbelievable discussion we just had with F. William Indahl in the last hour.

00:36:09.000 But Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, All the things that are developing.

00:36:14.000 What does this mean?

00:36:15.000 Having the Treasury take it over.

00:36:17.000 Bailing out the Federal Reserve.

00:36:21.000 Again, a massive consolidation happening.

00:36:24.000 You're going to pay taxes on all of this.

00:36:27.000 With all these foreigners buying our debt. 1.00

00:36:28.000 I mean, but talking to an economist, former military intelligence, has had the biggest newsletter in the world until he retired.

00:36:36.000 Now it's one of the biggest again.

00:36:38.000 TheInternationalForecaster.com.

00:36:40.000 Also, he and Gary Allen were partners.

00:36:43.000 That woke me up when I was a teenager reading None Dare Call Conspiracy.

00:36:47.000 I'd already heard it all in history and read it, but it really brought it home, the big picture, how they control the left and right, the communists and the fascists, the socialists.

00:36:54.000 So he's just an amazing person, and we're glad we can have him on to pop in this week and spend time with us.

00:37:00.000 Bob Chapman, it is good to have you here.

00:37:03.000 But since it's 9-11, first give us your take on the 9-11 cover-up.

00:37:08.000 It seems as collapsing with all these big names coming out and saying an investigation is an inside job, could be an inside job, the biggest comedian in France, friends with Sarkozy, congressman, more congressman coming out, a guy with millions and millions of followers, Of course, Ralph Nader on earlier saying, yes, our government stages terror attacks.

00:37:29.000 Our people are in New York and all over the country right now handing out free DVDs and pamphlets.

00:37:35.000 They're saying everybody's coming up taking the stuff.

00:37:37.000 Almost everyone believes it's an inside job.

00:37:39.000 It's exponential.

00:37:41.000 Your take on that and then the economy.

00:37:44.000 Well, my take on that is it's about time.

00:37:48.000 And people are so slow to react as far as 9-11 is concerned.

00:37:53.000 They like to put it in the back of their mind.

00:37:56.000 Nobody I knew, so to speak, get killed there or get injured there.

00:38:01.000 And so let the government sort it out.

00:38:04.000 Well, I believe anybody who saw what happened that day in the collapse, the professionally collapsed building, knew right away that something was dramatically wrong.

00:38:20.000 And so people are finding out and they're becoming more outspoken about it.

00:38:25.000 And I think in time there will be finally a real investigation to find out who did what to us.

00:38:32.000 And that's coming.

00:38:35.000 And it's because of people like yourself and others who have gone out and gotten tremendous amounts of information on the subject and disseminated it to the public like you are right now.

00:38:47.000 And Maybe, after the next election, maybe we can get something done about it.

00:38:53.000 Well, you just brought up a point there.

00:38:56.000 It was meant, you know, everything the globalists do is gauge for different strata.

00:38:59.000 What will intelligentsia think?

00:39:01.000 What will controllers think?

00:39:02.000 What will our opposition that's in the know think?

00:39:05.000 What will kind of the somewhat informed white collar folks think?

00:39:09.000 What will the dumbed down, you know, beer slurping, football watching?

00:39:12.000 Not saying you're bad, folks.

00:39:13.000 We all love it.

00:39:14.000 Point is, that's your God.

00:39:15.000 That's all you know.

00:39:16.000 You're not versatile.

00:39:17.000 What will they think?

00:39:19.000 And clearly, 9-11 was meant to governments to be a threat.

00:39:22.000 Look how bold we are.

00:39:24.000 It was also meant to be a threat to us.

00:39:26.000 And the fact that it was so obvious, I mean, they gauged that.

00:39:30.000 What was the message they were sending there to the different strata?

00:39:35.000 You better watch out.

00:39:36.000 You're going to have a problem.

00:39:39.000 And that is, you keep your mouth shut and go along with the program, and we won't bother you.

00:39:45.000 If you don't, you're going to have problems.

00:39:48.000 And that is through the Patriot Act and other legislation that's been passed.

00:39:54.000 And for those people who are really outspoken, many of them seem to suicide themselves.

00:40:00.000 And so I think that was the threat, and I think they did it in Oklahoma City as well.

00:40:06.000 So it's an open, and then cops spoke out and said the feds did it, and they murdered them and tortured them to death, and then laugh and say it was suicide, cutting them all open.

00:40:14.000 A cop of the year turns yanky, and others, oh, you saw feds there, well you're just dead, cop of the year, saved all those people.

00:40:19.000 How about we torture you and find out who else knows what's going on? 0.96

00:40:22.000 And their fellow cops shut their mouths and said, absolutely, murder us whenever you want, we love it, basically. 0.99

00:40:27.000 But some police have expressed, it's just so pathetic to see this going on, but You're absolutely right. 0.97

00:40:35.000 It is an open threat to everyone, and it is meant to be a threat to those of us that are in the know.

00:40:41.000 But I think the elites were going according to an old paradigm, an old attack paradigm, an old attack profile, when they had media dominance.

00:40:50.000 Now they don't, and I really think that they are on the run on many fronts and are not very happy how 9-11 ended up for them.

00:41:01.000 I think you're absolutely right.

00:41:03.000 And that has spread, as you say, into other areas.

00:41:08.000 Their program for the Middle East has been disastrous.

00:41:13.000 Their economic and financial program is entrapped.

00:41:17.000 I mean, they can't get out.

00:41:18.000 There's going to be a day of reckoning, and I know that, and that's why they're frantically running around.

00:41:25.000 As Mr. Engdahl said, they're afraid they're going to lose their wealth and power.

00:41:31.000 And Alex is people like you and I who are going to take their wealth and power away from them through our court system by exposing what they're doing.

00:41:41.000 Well, I mean, they realize that.

00:41:43.000 That's why they're so dangerous, is they've gone to the point of no return, they've gone for broke, and they know that, and they say that.

00:41:49.000 Their crimes are so huge that if they don't bring in full-spectrum dominance, if they don't activate COG and totally dominate everybody, then they're openly saying they're cooked.

00:41:59.000 So, that's why it's the immovable object You know, going up against an immovable object, it is a collision.

00:42:07.000 And if we just don't blink and just say, you know what, ramming speed, and put it in high gear and just pedal to the metal, I mean, there's no way we're going to lose, Bob.

00:42:17.000 I agree with that.

00:42:18.000 It's just waiting them out and keeping the information coming.

00:42:22.000 And I never thought that I would be projected into the spot that I am at my late age, being able to transport Information and primarily information in the financial world.

00:42:36.000 There are others who specialize in other areas, just like Mr. Engdahl said earlier, that I'm not an expert in science, and neither am I, but we do what we can do, and it's great that we have someone to work with like yourself, who is able to grasp many subjects and tell the people the real innards of what's going on in them.

00:43:02.000 Well, Bob, it's just really an honor to have you on as well.

00:43:05.000 Okay, let's get into the economy, and I'm going to skip this next break coming up for Infowars.com listeners, because, again, the information is so important.

00:43:12.000 Breakdown, were you expecting this?

00:43:14.000 Because you and others have been saying you expected them to take it over, but when were you expecting it?

00:43:18.000 By that, were you expecting it now?

00:43:21.000 Because some had said it was coming later.

00:43:23.000 I don't remember what you said on the show, but you said they were going to take over Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and then what does this mean?

00:43:28.000 Where is it going in the future?

00:43:32.000 Bob?

00:43:34.000 The first announcement by the International Forecaster was just four years ago.

00:43:41.000 And I said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were technically bankrupt.

00:43:47.000 And everybody on Wall Street and in the Beltway knew that.

00:43:52.000 And they needed Fannie and Freddie to execute the real estate bubble, which was going to keep the economy from collapsing For the next five or six or seven years.

00:44:05.000 And so, they continue to have Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac take on mortgages, and as time went on over this past four-year period, they took on more speculative mortgages, which made the situation even worse.

00:44:22.000 The figures, the numbers, the balance sheet in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac both were bogus.

00:44:32.000 That's hard to say at this time.

00:44:33.000 Bob, stop.

00:44:34.000 Go to derivatives in a minute.

00:44:36.000 But they needed to loosen up on loans to keep the bubble going, correct?

00:44:40.000 And now is this the final bubble bringing the big Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bubble within the Treasury, which internationalizes it, or is the final bubble the green carbon tax, which they're saying will pay to the banks?

00:44:53.000 That's hard to say at this time.

00:44:57.000 I just know with what they've got already, they're in serious trouble.

00:45:01.000 Okay, you got your derivatives.

00:45:03.000 Go ahead.

00:45:04.000 Yeah, and the derivatives, they just made terrible mistakes in purchasing and writing them.

00:45:12.000 And Raines, who was the head of Fannie Mae, who was dismissed, he executed the first part of it.

00:45:22.000 They were balancing or harmonizing earnings as well.

00:45:29.000 I knew what they were into as far as the mortgages was concerned, and I knew their position was financially irretrievable.

00:45:38.000 I never really thought it would get as bad as it has now, and they have $5.2 trillion worth of mortgages.

00:45:48.000 They will probably have, I would say a conservative estimate would be about 35% will Turned out to be bad.

00:45:59.000 So, you know, we're looking at... Two trillion?

00:46:03.000 Two trillion dollars.

00:46:06.000 And on top of that, they have allowed the shareholders to lose almost all their money.

00:46:13.000 They have allowed the preferred holders to probably lose all their money, and a lot of them are banks.

00:46:22.000 Alright, well, I'm sorry for interrupting, but is it two or three trillion?

00:46:25.000 Because my math would be two and a half trillion.

00:46:27.000 Yeah, two and a half.

00:46:29.000 And that's a good figure.

00:46:30.000 It could go as high as four.

00:46:32.000 But I baseline it at two and say it'll be two or more.

00:46:37.000 And that'll take five, six, seven years.

00:46:39.000 But how much does that infect?

00:46:40.000 I mean, that's only two trillion on the mortgages.

00:46:42.000 And they sold bonds.

00:46:43.000 They sold those packages.

00:46:46.000 And I've seen some reports say it's 50 trillion.

00:46:48.000 Some say it's 25 trillion.

00:46:50.000 I mean, how big is the domino effect?

00:46:54.000 The domino effect could be as large as those figures that you've mentioned.

00:46:58.000 I'm just going for the base facts.

00:47:00.000 I mean, that's enough to compel anybody to have a spinning headache.

00:47:04.000 Well, I actually have one right now.

00:47:05.000 The preferred hold is $36 billion.

00:47:09.000 I don't see any way the government can't come in.

00:47:12.000 They've got to come in and bail those people out. 0.87

00:47:15.000 Because if they don't, a whole bunch of banks are going to go under that wouldn't go under.

00:47:18.000 All right, let's keep talking about it right now.

00:47:20.000 Here we go with Bob Chapman.

00:47:23.000 Keep rolling, Bob.

00:47:25.000 Keep rolling.

00:47:25.000 Just keep going.

00:47:26.000 And also, of $1.3 trillion in round figures of bonds, those bonds, over $800 billion worth are held by foreigners.

00:47:41.000 And I think that's what brought this thing to a crescendo.

00:47:45.000 I mean, it had been going on for a long time.

00:47:46.000 So you're saying they had to?

00:47:50.000 You better guarantee those bonds or you've got a serious problem.

00:47:56.000 Here's the $64 million question, then we'll go back, Bob, and I'll let you roll.

00:48:00.000 Here's the $64 million question, and I want to answer this when we come back from break, but right now you can keep going over the Chinese and what you were saying.

00:48:06.000 But before I forget, Because I write notes here and then forget. 0.79

00:48:09.000 When we come back, when or if, how long till this eats through, this time bomb, until they see the treasury is insolvent with all the crap they're dumping on it?

00:48:21.000 Or will it just go on forever and then because it's the government backing it, it won't matter if it's all fraud and then we enter a la-la land where any investment, including birdcage liner, used birdcage liner, is as good as gold.

00:48:35.000 So, I mean, you see my question, let's answer that in three minutes, but continue answering with the Chinese saying, look, we're holding this.

00:48:41.000 Go ahead.

00:48:43.000 And I think they pushed them into it.

00:48:45.000 And I don't think that they wanted to do that two months before an election.

00:48:49.000 And so I don't think they had any other choice.

00:48:52.000 And I think that was probably the compelling factor.

00:48:55.000 Another thing is that the Chinese have been, again, buying dollars with yen in order to suppress the value of yen.

00:49:05.000 Yen.

00:49:05.000 Yarn, I should say.

00:49:06.000 And the reason they're doing that is to continue to be competitive, because they're starting to run into some pretty stiff competition offshore.

00:49:17.000 And, of course, too, their banking system's got problems I won't even go into here, which is as bad as the Japanese had in 1992.

00:49:25.000 And that's because Communist Party members get loans and never pay them back.

00:49:30.000 And so China I was saying, look, you've got to honor these bonds.

00:49:36.000 And on the other hand, we're going to buy dollars because we want to keep our currency down.

00:49:40.000 And by doing so, we'll buy treasuries with that money.

00:49:44.000 And so they were a support mechanism on one side by buying the treasuries, but on the other, they want a protection on their Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds.

00:49:57.000 And so I think that's what compelled The Treasury to go forward and meet the challenge, finally.

00:50:06.000 They didn't want to do it.

00:50:08.000 How long will this take?

00:50:12.000 It'll take an absolute minimum of probably three years, and it could go up many years.

00:50:18.000 And what they're going to try to do is extend the real estate and the mortgage and the securitization of mortgages problem as far out into the future as they can.

00:50:30.000 So they can deal with other problems like they've got now, where about 50% of brokerage houses and banks are insolvent.

00:50:40.000 And this is a monstrous problem.

00:50:42.000 And so by doing what they've done, they're able to throw some of it into the future.

00:50:47.000 Example, right now, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and you didn't see this anyway because they didn't publish it, they changed the role of default on mortgages from 90 days to two years.

00:51:06.000 Wow.

00:51:07.000 Now, that means that everybody who's in their house can't make their mortgage payment stays there for a couple of years.

00:51:14.000 Stay there.

00:51:14.000 That's a huge announcement.

00:51:15.000 I want the full audience to hear that, Bob.

00:51:18.000 I want the full audience to hear that.

00:51:19.000 We're going live right now.

00:51:20.000 I guarantee you.

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00:51:55.000 This isn't the pap you see on TV.

00:51:57.000 The stuff he talks about comes true nine times out of ten or more.

00:52:01.000 I remember him four or five years ago, I've been interviewing Bob for about eight, nine actually, talking about Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac going under, Catherine Austin Fitts, who worked in the HUD for Clinton, high-level, she was the head of it, saying this like seven years ago on our show.

00:52:17.000 So they've known what's going on.

00:52:21.000 Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was on with us a few days ago, and this had just happened.

00:52:26.000 This was Monday, and so he wasn't sure yet.

00:52:30.000 Now I looked at the news, it is clear that they didn't just guarantee the mortgages, but also the bonds that were sold on those is the way I see it.

00:52:38.000 I want to ask Bob Chapman about that, but I want him to elaborate on what this will extrapolate out to in the next few years.

00:52:49.000 Because they can prop up the big investments, the big companies, the big bondholders, the foreign governments, the institutions, and they can keep printing dollars to fill that void.

00:52:59.000 But the economy's breaking down, there's no credit, things are degenerating fast, and he's saying three years, maybe longer, like Japan's been in a 15-year hardcore recession.

00:53:09.000 So that's a bunch of questions, but A, are they securing everything tied to the Freddie Mac, I mean Fannie Mae Freddie Mac, are they securing All the bonds and junk that was sold, AAA-rated crap, or just, and then you mentioned the part so much here about they're guaranteeing mortgage defaults up to two years, not just a few months.

00:53:32.000 So that's a big deal.

00:53:33.000 Well, again, it's to extend and extrapolate, as you said.

00:53:38.000 And I think that what they're going to do, and I don't know if Paul Craig Roberts addressed this, is, yes, Yes, they are going to take on their balance sheet at the Treasury the bad paper that's out there, which is the CDOs, the FIVs, and the ABSs.

00:53:59.000 And those are bonds that contain, for those who don't know out there, mortgages which were securitized and made into bonds.

00:54:08.000 The last one, ABS, is asset-backed securities, and they are packaged with vehicle loans, Swimming pools, mobile homes, motorcycles, those kind of things.

00:54:22.000 And all of that stuff on average right now, if you can find a market, is selling somewhere in the vicinity of $0.50 to $0.60 on the dollar.

00:54:32.000 Some of it's at $0.10 and some of it's at $0.80.

00:54:36.000 It all depends on what paper you have.

00:54:38.000 And so, at 50%, the Treasury eventually And they're going to be very, very quiet about doing this.

00:54:47.000 It's going to take this on, these securities on, and they're going to loan against it.

00:54:53.000 And they won't loan 100% of the value of the security.

00:54:57.000 They will probably loan something near the market.

00:55:02.000 And so the American taxpayer is going to end up paying for all of that rotten paper that was issued by The banks in the United States, the banks are being let off the hook, and that would include the rating companies, S&P, Moody's, Pitch, who lied about the ratings and said they were AAA when they were BBB, which is the difference between a 10 and a 4.

00:55:27.000 They're going to let the mortgage originators, the appraisers, the salespeople, and the 85% of the people who lied on their applications off the hook.

00:55:39.000 The Treasury is going to eat it.

00:55:41.000 The Treasury is you and I. Yeah, the Treasury is you and I. Now, what does it mean?

00:55:46.000 The huge announcement, as you said, that got almost no attention.

00:55:49.000 I'm ashamed I haven't mentioned it here.

00:55:51.000 I didn't see it.

00:55:52.000 That they've moved from a few months on default on mortgages for individuals, civilians as we're called, to two years.

00:55:59.000 That is a big break.

00:56:01.000 Exactly.

00:56:02.000 And, you know, this is the only way that they can do it.

00:56:04.000 where the people actually get something, though we'll pay for it in dollar devaluation down the road.

00:56:10.000 So basically, if you are somebody who's insolvent, you cheated too, you lied on the piece of paper.

00:56:16.000 So the only people getting punished here are people that saved and people that did a good job.

00:56:21.000 Exactly.

00:56:22.000 And, you know, this is the only way that they can do it.

00:56:27.000 What the institutions have been doing already is they've been moving them off balance sheet, and they do that, they take a package, let's say it's worth $5 billion, billion dollars and the person that they sell it to, but it's not really sold because it's a conditional contract, and they sell it to another party and the other party pays 20% and the entity loans and they sell it to another party and the other party pays 20% and the entity loans

00:56:59.000 I mean, you talk about Mickey Mouse bookkeeping.

00:57:02.000 Tell you what, stay there.

00:57:03.000 For people that may have passed over their heads and they weren't paying attention, explain that in detail right now for the InfoWars.com stream listeners.

00:57:12.000 You've got to go there.

00:57:14.000 We're on the march.

00:57:15.000 The Empire's on the run.

00:57:17.000 Yep, it's Alex Jones, the GCN Radio Network.

00:57:20.000 Okay, Bob, please continue.

00:57:22.000 It's Alex and Bob.

00:57:26.000 And Bob owns XYZ Securities.

00:57:29.000 And Alex is an equity expert that has lots of money.

00:57:35.000 And I go to Alex and I say, Alex, I've got this $5 billion worth of bonds, which are CDOs.

00:57:43.000 I want to move them off my balance sheet.

00:57:46.000 I want to sell them to you on a conditional basis.

00:57:48.000 You put 20% of the money out, which would be a billion dollars in this case, and we'll loan you the other $4 billion.

00:57:59.000 For you to take this off our hands, all you have to do is pay us back, and if everything works out well, you'll end up with a nice profit, and we will have these off the books.

00:58:09.000 So that's just fractional reserve banking again?

00:58:14.000 Well, it isn't even that.

00:58:16.000 It is so illegal under FASB rules, it's unbelievable.

00:58:22.000 And they expect people to stand by and look at them rob us.

00:58:30.000 And us to stand still for it?

00:58:32.000 It's incredible.

00:58:33.000 I mean, nothing like this has ever happened, and everybody in corporate America, Wall Street and government, doesn't say a word.

00:58:41.000 That the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

00:58:43.000 No, Bob!

00:58:44.000 Instead, the ones that made the big bucks, all these new billionaires, they're all literally buying armored compounds in the Caribbean with private security forces, and I've talked to them.

00:58:55.000 They said they're here in Austin, and they're basically saying it's going to be war on the streets.

00:59:01.000 They have road-warriored us. 1.00

00:59:02.000 They have robbed us so bad And they are just bastards! 1.00

00:59:07.000 And then they've got these brainwashed, bloodthirsty, macho, right-head cops that'll do whatever they're told, and are convinced that anybody that loves America or freedom is evil, and they're ready to eat our guts and ask for seconds. 1.00

00:59:19.000 God, it's so sick! 0.96

00:59:21.000 They're gonna leave us with a bunch of steroid cops while they fly off with all the money! 1.00

00:59:27.000 And they're all gonna die. 0.99

00:59:29.000 And they know it. 0.89

00:59:31.000 And a lot of us are, too.

00:59:33.000 But we're going after them.

00:59:35.000 There is going to be redemption in this, and they know it.

00:59:38.000 And they're not going to get to keep their power and money this time.

00:59:42.000 And this is going to make the fall of the Hanseatic League And the Lombard system look like child's play.

00:59:49.000 You think so? 1.00

00:59:50.000 No, they'll just tell the cops that babies are Al-Qaeda and they'll throw them off cliffs, cut their heads off, suck their blood. 1.00

00:59:59.000 We rape you! 1.00

01:00:01.000 We're criminals! 1.00

01:00:01.000 Here we go. 1.00

01:00:02.000 We're going to go back live right now.

01:00:03.000 I'm just so sick of them.

01:00:05.000 It pisses me off. 1.00

01:00:06.000 Just filth, scum, Dumb idiots everywhere believing whatever the government says. 1.00

01:00:11.000 You idiots have no idea! 1.00

01:00:13.000 All you people saying, we're making this up? 1.00

01:00:14.000 You're going to find out! 1.00

01:00:16.000 Because of your ignorance and you letting them do this, we're screwed! 1.00

01:00:19.000 Here we go. 1.00

01:00:20.000 771. 771.

01:00:52.000 Listen to those key screams. 0.56

01:00:56.000 What they've done financially here.

01:00:58.000 In the past, the banks could loan out ten times for every dollar they had.

01:01:01.000 That was fiat.

01:01:02.000 They could buy up the world, dominate with that.

01:01:04.000 But they decided in the early nineties, go through that for people, to just take all restrictions off and just start making up fake money, fake assets.

01:01:13.000 They bought up all the key assets with it and they're leaving us the junk And then militarizing the police as a vanguard to protect them.

01:01:23.000 They're going to call resisting them or not letting them take your farm or house or kids a crime.

01:01:28.000 But how do you see this unfolding?

01:01:31.000 Because they preemptively tried to bring in a police state to block us.

01:01:34.000 They staged terror attacks to get the cowardly mass to huddle around them and give them support in their evil.

01:01:41.000 I mean, where is this going?

01:01:43.000 Well, I think you've described it.

01:01:45.000 It's going into the streets.

01:01:47.000 And it can't help but get there.

01:01:50.000 And how they've done it financially is via the root of derivatives.

01:01:55.000 A derivative is like a piece of insurance.

01:01:59.000 And if you own the bond and you're only interested in the yield on the bond and it's 5%, but you don't want to take any risk on the bond itself, whether it'll go up or down, you sell that risk to somebody else.

01:02:12.000 And if somebody out there In the derivative market, who will take on that risk to protect you for a price.

01:02:18.000 And then they pass the Ponzi onto somebody else and even sell that insuring of the instrument.

01:02:25.000 Exactly.

01:02:25.000 And it might end up 20 hands later.

01:02:27.000 So that's just like multi-level marketing, a Ponzi scheme, where you started and get 20 people, they get 100 people, they get 1,000 people, and the upper end screws everybody and leaves, but then leaves all the lower 90% holding the bag.

01:02:42.000 Exactly.

01:02:43.000 And that's really how it works.

01:02:45.000 It is a Ponzi scheme.

01:02:46.000 And that's how they've been holding this whole system together, really, since 1992.

01:02:51.000 And, of course, it's become bigger and bigger and bigger, and we have derivatives out in the form of $650 or $700 trillion mind-boggling figures.

01:03:04.000 And so, yes, they will leave the ship.

01:03:08.000 They'll all go and hide out.

01:03:10.000 And they think that that's going to save them, and I've got news for them.

01:03:14.000 We will find them, and there will be trials for them.

01:03:17.000 And I think the American people, generally speaking, don't understand anything that's being done to them.

01:03:27.000 They're confused.

01:03:29.000 They know something's going on, but they just can't understand it.

01:03:32.000 And everybody doesn't listen to a program like Alex Jones.

01:03:38.000 There's a lot of people who just don't know, and it's going to be a revelation to them, because when this all comes down, and it's in the process of doing so presently, you look at the unemployment figures, 14.7% long-term, these are government figures, 10.7% intermediate-term unemployment, and short-term unemployment, 6.1%.

01:03:59.000 Well, here's the problem.

01:04:01.000 They'll just stage a terror attack right as it fully implodes and claim the Easter Bunny did it, and these cowards will run up and circle around the government and just sit there shaking. 0.87

01:04:12.000 Now, I don't see that working, but you know they'll try that. 0.99

01:04:14.000 They'll do anything to get the cowards to come up and cuddle up under the black wings. 0.99

01:04:18.000 But these people insult us, write us letters, say we're lying. 0.99

01:04:21.000 You predicted Freddie and the whole Fannie thing. 0.84

01:04:25.000 We predicted everything that's happened.

01:04:26.000 We've laid out what they were going to do.

01:04:28.000 We've broken it down. 0.99

01:04:30.000 They're total criminals. 0.78

01:04:32.000 And there's still about 30% of the public that will buy anything they're told.

01:04:36.000 And I know that they don't matter in history, except they're going to be the enforcers.

01:04:42.000 They'll do anything they're told by the establishment, including handing their children over, as long as they get to act cool.

01:04:51.000 And that's why you have to be very careful who you speak to this about, and also very careful about venting your feelings about what's going on.

01:05:02.000 Because if that happens, And we have a situation like what the Stasi had in the old East Germany where everybody was spying on everybody else.

01:05:12.000 Then people will come and pick you up because they'll tell on you and of course there will be a reward for that as well.

01:05:21.000 I mean the IRS uses the system.

01:05:23.000 In the United States now, exactly the same way.

01:05:26.000 Listen, listen, they're training children in every major public school in the country that we look at, with text messages to turn their parents in and neighbors in, and they're running around getting money.

01:05:37.000 They want to artificially have a bad economy so they can force this conversion over to the military-industrial complex.

01:05:44.000 I say speak out like your lives depend on it to block them.

01:05:48.000 Even where cowed and are quiet, they may win.

01:05:54.000 You agree with that, Bob?

01:05:55.000 Mm-hmm.

01:05:56.000 My daughter's a teacher.

01:05:58.000 So I know what you're talking about. 0.94

01:06:00.000 It's disgusting.

01:06:02.000 And, of course, she deviates from the subject. 0.98

01:06:04.000 No, I'm not saying she's disgusting. 1.00

01:06:05.000 I'm saying, how do cops listening... No, no, no, no, I know that.

01:06:09.000 But I'm saying, how do cops listening think freedom is face-scanning cameras and children spying on their parents?

01:06:15.000 It isn't, okay?

01:06:16.000 Go ahead, Bob.

01:06:18.000 Yeah, that is not something that should happen in America, but it is happening.

01:06:23.000 And it's going to be worse in the future.

01:06:26.000 If I remember correctly, the United States government hired two or three individuals who are high up in the government in East Germany as advisors.

01:06:35.000 Yeah, Marcus Wolff.

01:06:36.000 Marcus Wolff, head of the Stasi, was hired by the... He just died last year, but he helped set up Homeland Security.

01:06:43.000 Exactly, but there were two other people.

01:06:45.000 One of them was from Moscow.

01:06:46.000 Primakov.

01:06:48.000 Right, that's right.

01:06:49.000 And that's where they got the ideas And how to make them work as far as people spying on one another and putting systems together where people couldn't do much of anything without government knowing.

01:07:03.000 I mean, these laws for money laundering is an example.

01:07:09.000 They want to know where everything is going and how you're doing it.

01:07:15.000 Somebody I know the other day went in to buy some money orders, and I think They were for like $4,700, and the man said, well, we can't do that without you signing and giving us a copy of your driver's license and all this.

01:07:30.000 And the man said to him, look, I know you.

01:07:33.000 You're going to do it my way, and we don't do it at all.

01:07:36.000 And so the guy said, OK, we'll do it your way.

01:07:39.000 But if you don't know the guy that's selling the money orders, you've got a problem.

01:07:43.000 Well, I mean, it's total surveillance.

01:07:45.000 It's a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

01:07:46.000 I see 80-year-old, no exaggeration, men buying beer being carted, and they're swiping it.

01:07:51.000 That's a database.

01:07:52.000 It's already in place. 1.00

01:07:55.000 Bastards. 1.00

01:07:56.000 That's right. 1.00

01:07:58.000 It's interesting that they're doing that.

01:08:00.000 I didn't know that.

01:08:03.000 You know, I don't have credit cards, and I haven't had them for years.

01:08:07.000 but they've become very dangerous things.

01:08:10.000 Oh, listen, I go in, people thought it was just zip codes to figure out where to put stores at a Best Buy or wherever.

01:08:15.000 Now you go to pay for, say, $100 worth of videotapes or whatever, or memory sticks, and they go address and name, same thing at Radio Shack, everywhere else, that's all for a database.

01:08:26.000 And I've read the corporate documents going back six, seven years ago where they would meet for these big conventions where they say we're being given federal mandates and insurance breaks.

01:08:36.000 That's how they control them.

01:08:38.000 That's how it's all standardized to get everyone habitualized to showing ID for all purchases.

01:08:44.000 It starts with coal medicine, then it's beer, cigarettes, now it's everything.

01:08:48.000 Now major gas chains want you to register with your driver's license before you can use a credit card.

01:08:57.000 It's a tough place to live nowadays, isn't it Alex?

01:09:00.000 Oh, it's freedom!

01:09:01.000 So much of it, but the illegal aliens What kind of democracy is that? 1.00

01:09:06.000 Well, the Catholic bishops are saying, don't track, don't trace, don't arrest illegal aliens, it's of the devil.

01:09:12.000 But there's been a thousand deaths on one town across the Texas border, hundreds on this side, bedlam and war, and the cops don't arrest illegals for almost anything. 0.92

01:09:21.000 They admit it.

01:09:22.000 But the citizens, the book is just thrown at you, and you have no Bill of Rights, and you're more surveilled than East Germany. 0.65

01:09:32.000 That's absolutely true.

01:09:34.000 And that's why a lot of people are saying, gee, I'm 65 years old and I'm not going to put up with this if they leave the country.

01:09:43.000 I talked to somebody today who said, you know, I'm thinking of going back to the Ukraine.

01:09:49.000 Oh, I know.

01:09:49.000 Greeks, Ukrainians, Poles, Arabs, they're all leaving.

01:09:53.000 They've been leaving for years.

01:09:55.000 A lot of Russians said, man, I've seen this before.

01:09:57.000 I'm an anti-communist.

01:09:58.000 I'm getting the hell out of here.

01:10:00.000 Well, you know, another thing I've run into also I was told yesterday there's a mass exodus of Russians from Israel going back home.

01:10:09.000 Yeah.

01:10:10.000 No, it's everywhere.

01:10:12.000 I mean, I don't want to be incinerated if the Zionists start a war. 0.90

01:10:15.000 There have been several articles.

01:10:18.000 The first one was in the Jerusalem Post, the richest man in Israel leaves.

01:10:22.000 The top richest ten Jews in Israel in the last six months have left, sold their houses, and moved to London and to Switzerland.

01:10:31.000 I moved to England and Switzerland.

01:10:32.000 What does that mean?

01:10:34.000 That means they want to be out of harm's way.

01:10:36.000 ...may not be caused by EMF radiation alone.

01:10:39.000 Computers and TVs release chemicals into the air which are inhaled and accumulate in house... And they probably are.

01:10:45.000 I mean, you know, they're part and parcel of what our government does, so there's not much difference.

01:10:52.000 And I don't think no matter who's elected, there'll be much difference in the future as far as the Oval Office is concerned.

01:10:59.000 Hey, Bob, did you just hear that noise over the line?

01:11:03.000 If I turn this up, I get a broadcast.

01:11:06.000 I don't.

01:11:08.000 Yeah, they're running ads for Raw Air.

01:11:11.000 Can you guys turn that off for me, please?

01:11:13.000 I'd really appreciate that.

01:11:14.000 66-996-7189.

01:11:18.000 If they don't get it off the air, we'll send somebody after them.

01:11:23.000 That's right.

01:11:24.000 Whatever.

01:11:24.000 It doesn't even matter.

01:11:25.000 One of those off-duty cops with the special uniforms.

01:11:29.000 Oh, God help us. 0.69

01:11:30.000 You know, there's a lot of cops and a lot of government people and a lot of bureaucrats who think this is all funny and cute and they send me emails and they say, yeah, we're going to get you, we're going to kill you, we're taking over.

01:11:40.000 And you'll go to their MySpace and they're a cop or they're military.

01:11:43.000 And they're proud of it.

01:11:44.000 I mean, a lot of them think this is fun.

01:11:46.000 They don't know history, do they?

01:11:48.000 They don't know what they're slated for, both fighting us, but also working for this evil system.

01:11:53.000 They think it's real cute what they're part of.

01:11:55.000 It's like a little petty power trip.

01:11:57.000 We're going to get to do whatever we want.

01:11:58.000 What do you say to them, Bob?

01:12:00.000 Well, there's 450 million weapons in the United States.

01:12:04.000 If we cut the population in half, we probably have about 100 million, perhaps, adult males over, say, 16 years old.

01:12:16.000 Probably 70% of them have shot weapons before.

01:12:19.000 And with 450 million weapons and feeding 50 million people, or even 25 million, or even 5 million, there's going to be no contest.

01:12:31.000 The kill factor will be very large, perhaps, in the hands of the professionals, but we're going to win.

01:12:35.000 We cannot win.

01:12:38.000 It is impossible.

01:12:39.000 Well, the other big problem is, that's why they have the face scanning cameras and the tracking grids and the smart dust, and they admit that's Northcom dominance.

01:12:47.000 You know, it's so incredible to read John Warner's Defense Authorization Act or read Northcom plans.

01:12:51.000 They say we're the enemy.

01:12:53.000 They say they work for Wall Street.

01:12:55.000 They say the military brass lists the American people as enemies.

01:13:01.000 And I don't think the listeners fully grasp.

01:13:03.000 I mean, they're not even debating it, Bob.

01:13:07.000 No, they're not.

01:13:09.000 And they think they're going to do what they want to do, and it's not going to happen that way.

01:13:12.000 You know, America is still a sleeping tiger as far as the populace is concerned.

01:13:21.000 And again, I think they've underestimated them.

01:13:26.000 And I think they're going to have serious problems.

01:13:28.000 Terminal ones.

01:13:29.000 All right.

01:13:30.000 I'm going to skip the final break.

01:13:31.000 Ted Anderson wants to talk to you off air, so I'll let you talk to him when the show ends, Bob.

01:13:35.000 Let's go ahead and go to the calls.

01:13:38.000 Again, cops are going to take your grandma's pension. 1.00

01:13:40.000 They're going to take stuff from your family, people you know.

01:13:43.000 I know you'll strut around at family dinners and kind of go, I don't want to hear about it.

01:13:46.000 But you're going to be hurt by your system.

01:13:48.000 You're going to wish to God you'd have fought with the people.

01:13:51.000 I know a lot of you are planning to.

01:13:53.000 Jesse in the Netherlands, where the Queen of Orange sits firmly ensconced, getting the monopoly on Iraqi oil last week.

01:14:03.000 You're on the air, Jesse.

01:14:04.000 Hey, Alex.

01:14:06.000 Everything you've done so far is awesome, and people around the world are waking up.

01:14:11.000 Since I'm too far away from the United States or any crowded places where I could go tell people about what's going on and getting them to tune in to your show, I went online.

01:14:23.000 Actually, today there's an event in Second Life, which is a virtual world.

01:14:29.000 Yeah.

01:14:29.000 I visited a digital memoriam, 9-11 memoriam.

01:14:34.000 I had a T-shirt on, and...

01:14:37.000 And the text on it was investigate 9-11, honor the fallen by relentless pursuit of truth.

01:14:43.000 Oh, good.

01:14:43.000 So you went to this virtual thing that tens of millions are involved in.

01:14:46.000 How many people were at the memorial?

01:14:48.000 Well, I've been here all day, and I've seen thousands of avatars pass by.

01:14:55.000 And, well, what then happened was the admin banned me from the land because I was wearing that T-shirt and getting those T-shirts.

01:15:03.000 See, I want to write an article about this, Bob.

01:15:05.000 I'm sure you know about this.

01:15:06.000 There's several virtual realities that tens of millions play in these games.

01:15:10.000 It's like they're real.

01:15:11.000 This is how Matrix Insertion, the Pentagon, plans to put us in the pods with this because the Wirehead, that's a new function coming up.

01:15:17.000 I'm not kidding, folks.

01:15:18.000 It's all real.

01:15:20.000 Yes, so you're there, thousands come by and see your t-shirt at the virtual memorial, they wanted to run an op inside there, and then the admin bans you because you had that shirt.

01:15:30.000 Outrageous!

01:15:31.000 We need to invade with the members of that with more shirts right now. 1.00

01:15:38.000 Where is that area where your First Amendment is being violated in virtual reality?

01:15:44.000 It's named Second Life, and the area name that it's in is actually named World Trade Center.

01:15:51.000 Okay, so not only is 9-11 Truth banned right around the real World Trade Center, but in Second Life, there right now.

01:15:58.000 Now, what did this degenerate admin say when they banned you in virtual reality?

01:16:04.000 Well, I'll translate it to English for you.

01:16:06.000 I have it right here in front of me.

01:16:08.000 My God, this is science fiction.

01:16:09.000 I mean, we're talking about protesting in virtual reality.

01:16:12.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:16:15.000 He says you're really looking for it, huh?

01:16:17.000 I think it's very nasty of you to act so innocent and then walk around here annoying the people with your conspiracy theories.

01:16:26.000 I'm going to report you to Lyndon Labs, who runs Second Life, of course, who banned you from my sim, and now you're muted.

01:16:33.000 Goodbye.

01:16:36.000 So just like in the real world, the, oh, can't wear your 9-11 inside job shirt.

01:16:41.000 You can have a pierced nose or a devil tat.

01:16:44.000 That's okay, but don't actually really be individualistic.

01:16:48.000 Bob Chapman, what do you think of this?

01:16:51.000 It's something that I didn't expect and it will progressively get worse and they will pick up more and more people and impound them and get all their information and warn them If they're picked up again, they won't be hurt from again.

01:17:06.000 And that's where they're going to go about it, particularly with young people.

01:17:10.000 Because young people are generally in better physical condition than adults, and young people can become combatants much more easily.

01:17:18.000 What about the Alexander Schultz and Itza quote about when the Gestapo or the GRU, you know, oh how we burned in the camps wishing that when the secret police came out to grab us we would have met them with hatchets in the doorways.

01:17:30.000 Well, maybe that will come to that in our country.

01:17:33.000 Does that ever happen in the virtual reality Sims?

01:17:35.000 Do people ever go wild there?

01:17:38.000 Well, yeah, it certainly happens.

01:17:45.000 And my idea to basically get the people informed was to get more listeners who listen to your show to get on Second Life.

01:17:54.000 And if I'm allowed to give out my avatar name so that people can find me, It's 9-11 Truth, and the last name of the Avatar is Sky Power.

01:18:03.000 9-11 Truth, Sky Power.

01:18:06.000 Everybody who's in Second Life, and I know you're out there listening, Attack Pattern Delta, go now.

01:18:10.000 Let's get all the 9-11 information we can in there, and take over right now in that virtual reality area immediately.

01:18:19.000 We're going to skip this break.

01:18:20.000 Final segment, better get over to InfoWars.com, folks.

01:18:22.000 Listen.

01:18:24.000 All right, thank you.

01:18:25.000 I want to move through these calls quick, but Jesse in the Netherlands, this is science fiction.

01:18:30.000 We're in the future.

01:18:31.000 I mean, we're virtual reality on the web and AM and FM, both old world, new world, and where people are being banned in virtual reality with tens of millions.

01:18:40.000 How many, I know it's tens of millions now that are in Second Life.

01:18:45.000 How many are part of Second Life, Jesse?

01:18:48.000 Um, let's see.

01:18:50.000 Logged on in the last 60 days are 1,132,474 avatars.

01:18:52.000 And at this moment there are 60,000 online.

01:18:54.000 Okay, then there's another one that's bigger than.

01:18:56.000 What's the other one?

01:18:57.000 Excuse me?

01:18:57.000 there are 60,000 online.

01:18:59.000 There's another one that's bigger then.

01:19:01.000 What's the other one?

01:19:02.000 Excuse me?

01:19:04.000 There's a bunch of other games, aren't there?

01:19:07.000 There, um...

01:19:10.000 I didn't quite get that, Alex.

01:19:12.000 Well, okay, I appreciate your call.

01:19:13.000 My point is, there's some other ones that are bigger, some other virtual reality games.

01:19:16.000 I've seen their numbers.

01:19:17.000 Okay, let's take another call here.

01:19:20.000 Let's talk to Paula in Canada. 0.60

01:19:22.000 You're on the air with Bob Chapman.

01:19:23.000 Go ahead.

01:19:23.000 Hi, Alex.

01:19:25.000 I'm calling from Canada.

01:19:26.000 Hi.

01:19:26.000 Me and my three children listened to you with my husband as well.

01:19:29.000 Welcome.

01:19:29.000 We've followed you for about 11 years now, and for the Truth911 movement, my husband and I did two websites, and I'm printing t-shirts.

01:19:37.000 We've given out about 500 DVDs.

01:19:39.000 to expose the government, basically because I want to deprogram my family, my friends, my parents, everybody that I've been around in my life.

01:19:48.000 I've dropped my feminist career, turned my back as a Canadian athlete, I've turned my back as a police officer, I've turned my back as a model, I've turned my back on everything, basically.

01:20:00.000 I can't do it anymore, Alex.

01:20:02.000 I've done it for years.

01:20:03.000 I'd rather be a mother and a motivational speaker.

01:20:05.000 I did my first movie in 1998, Reluctant Angel, in Toronto.

01:20:10.000 And as I did that, about three years ago or four years ago approximately, I had a fallout.

01:20:16.000 I had to contact a lady named Janet Hall in the States. 1.00

01:20:20.000 She's best friends with Jeff Rents.

01:20:22.000 She's a microbiologist who had to do a study on me because I had a massive lesion explode in my spinal cord.

01:20:28.000 She told me that was from chemtrails.

01:20:30.000 More gallons?

01:20:32.000 Oh yeah, it was more gallons.

01:20:33.000 Basically, it was up the line of more gallons.

01:20:36.000 I've survived quadriplegia, thank God for my background and my training, and I've gone through a detox.

01:20:42.000 I've basically survived to live through a criminal trial, and I've been at doctors and lawyers, and I've been confronting judges and crowns and telling them what kind of Mason system that we've been living under.

01:20:53.000 I mean, I've basically been allowed to say everything I need to say, even on a stand in a trial.

01:20:57.000 Good!

01:20:58.000 Good job!

01:20:58.000 Anything else?

01:20:59.000 I'm not happy with this.

01:20:59.000 Good!

01:21:00.000 Good.

01:21:01.000 Good job.

01:21:02.000 Good job.

01:21:03.000 Anything else?

01:21:03.000 Yes, Alex.

01:21:04.000 For six years, I've homeschooled my kids.

01:21:06.000 Good.

01:21:06.000 I will not vaccinate them.

01:21:08.000 I will not let women tell me what to do. 1.00

01:21:08.000 Good. 1.00

01:21:10.000 And basically, I told the women today, I want you to stand up today. 1.00

01:21:14.000 I want you to say something and back your husband.

01:21:16.000 I want you to back your families.

01:21:18.000 I want you to stand behind Alex Jones because we have for many years.

01:21:22.000 That's what they want.

01:21:23.000 They want to break up the families and they get the men to act bad, the women to act bad.

01:21:27.000 Folks, you're all under attack.

01:21:28.000 Stick together.

01:21:29.000 All you've got is your family.

01:21:31.000 It's us against them.

01:21:31.000 Thank you for the call.

01:21:32.000 Let's go back live to the full transmission.

01:21:37.000 Bob, you know, the establishment goes after our families.

01:21:41.000 But if you just explain to your family, don't you know the family's under attack?

01:21:44.000 It's only us we can trust.

01:21:46.000 That's what keeps families together.

01:21:49.000 And that is so important, Bob.

01:21:51.000 How important is the family?

01:21:54.000 It is the reason for existence.

01:21:59.000 Absolutely.

01:21:59.000 So stop fighting with your husband and wife if your wife's being mean to you and arrogant.

01:22:03.000 Stop fighting with her.

01:22:04.000 Get to the level of explaining to her the big picture.

01:22:07.000 If your husband's doing it, you know, stop it.

01:22:09.000 Stop fighting with each other.

01:22:10.000 Stop it.

01:22:11.000 Don't use drugs.

01:22:12.000 Don't get in their debt system. 0.99

01:22:14.000 Beat them.

01:22:15.000 You beat them by living well, as the French say.

01:22:18.000 The best revenge is living well.

01:22:20.000 Paula, thanks for the call.

01:22:21.000 Helen in Florida.

01:22:22.000 I've got to move quick here.

01:22:23.000 Helen, you're on the air with Bob Chapman.

01:22:25.000 Yes.

01:22:26.000 Three quick statements and then one question.

01:22:28.000 First, Jesus did not appear to let us become extinct.

01:22:31.000 The second one is, Rabbi Israel Weiss said that Israel now is not the Israel that's predicted in the Bible.

01:22:37.000 The Orthodox Jews say that.

01:22:39.000 And then, I wish there were more Jack McLams.

01:22:41.000 And then my question is, Well, I think it goes with a number of other things.

01:22:45.000 Precious metals will go up or down.

01:22:46.000 Okay, thank you.

01:22:48.000 Obviously, they're trying to suppress them.

01:22:51.000 But long term, it's only going to go up if they're devaluing the dollar, bailing all this out.

01:22:55.000 That's the reality.

01:22:56.000 Bob, how long can they suspend reality?

01:22:59.000 I mean, how long can they suppress metals?

01:23:01.000 Well, I think it goes with a number of other things.

01:23:05.000 They're trying to hold the market up.

01:23:06.000 They're trying to make the dollar go higher.

01:23:09.000 And the reason for that is to portend strength because I think that they're going to lower interest rates here very shortly.

01:23:17.000 Most people don't, but I do.

01:23:19.000 And gold is going through a correction which has been caused by government in part.

01:23:25.000 They get the ball rolling and they stoke it all the time.

01:23:28.000 And I think that we're nearing probably the bottom in the gold market.

01:23:33.000 There's a good chance of that.

01:23:35.000 Corrections are normal, although gold and silver were not overpriced like commodities were.

01:23:41.000 And so I think in the long term, if you want gold and silver related assets, you keep them.

01:23:49.000 This would be a very good opportunity when gold and silver have come down substantially, along with the shares.

01:23:58.000 Yeah, bottom line, they can have paper money artificially worth something, but they can artificially devalue metal.

01:24:07.000 But in reality, metal has the real value, and historically, if you look at it on a graph, it always only goes up with inflation.

01:24:15.000 And so you've got something that's an emergency backup.

01:24:18.000 I bought gold at $300.

01:24:20.000 I bought gold at $1,000.

01:24:21.000 I've just kept it all.

01:24:22.000 The little bit I've got in silver.

01:24:24.000 It doesn't matter to me because I know it's real and it's an insurance policy and that's what it's all about.

01:24:30.000 Do I feel good about the $300 gold?

01:24:32.000 Yes.

01:24:32.000 Do I feel bad about the $1,000 gold?

01:24:34.000 No, because it's all real.

01:24:36.000 It's based in reality.

01:24:37.000 TheInternationalForecaster.com.

01:24:40.000 And Bob, give out the toll-free number if folks want to get a free trial subscription.

01:24:46.000 800-375-4188.

01:24:47.000 800-375-4188.

01:24:47.000 Go to the site, theinternationalforecaster.com.

01:24:57.000 Bob, we'll talk to you again next week.

01:25:00.000 I always enjoy having you on.

01:25:01.000 Didn't have you on week before this one.

01:25:04.000 And Godspeed, my friend.

01:25:06.000 Same to you, Alex.

01:25:07.000 You're doing wonderful work.

01:25:09.000 Bye-bye.

01:25:09.000 I'm trying.

01:25:10.000 You are, too.

01:25:10.000 Okay.

01:25:12.000 Before I end this transmission, I just want to remind the listeners That A, re-transmission starts with Ralph Nader and some of the other guests we had on were amazing today.

01:25:29.000 And at the end of the show, in about one minute, we just come right back.

01:25:33.000 But you've got to be on the InfoWars.com audio streams.

01:25:36.000 The only place.

01:25:37.000 Genesis Streams will be another thing.

01:25:39.000 InfoWars.com if you want to hear any of that key info and reports from Ground Zero right at the first of the show.

01:25:44.000 Really important info at the streams at InfoWars.com.

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Alex Jones Show - September 11, 2008

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