Alex Jones Show - 20081015_Wed_Alex

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00:03:14.000 Okay!

00:03:16.000 Without further ado, I'm really excited to get to introduce to you Peter Joseph.

00:03:21.000 Peter Joseph, of course, made Zeitgeist, which I would say is the second most viewed video, just from my analysis.

00:03:31.000 In Internet history, I would still say that Loose Change is number one, but that's because it's been out longer.

00:03:37.000 In the future, it remains to be seen, but the two films definitely are the most viewed in viral history on the Internet.

00:03:44.000 And the maker, Peter Joseph has now made a Zeitgeist Addendum, another two-hour film, very well done.

00:03:51.000 He works in professional TV.

00:03:53.000 And he did this on his own, though.

00:03:54.000 It's excellent.

00:03:55.000 And he went out and actually did a lot of interviews and things for it as well, not just internet clips that he combined for the first Zeitgeist.

00:04:01.000 And I agree with about 90% of what is in the film.

00:04:05.000 I think that the interpretation, the subtle way it's put out, people are going to misinterpret a lot of it.

00:04:10.000 That was my point criticizing some of it earlier in the week.

00:04:13.000 I also think that it's another form of orthodoxy to make fun on a high horse of religious groups and people who are religious because the human mind, human sight and smell only picks up a very narrow spectrum of reality that's been scientifically proven.

00:04:30.000 There's a lot of quackery and superstition and kooky stuff going on out there.

00:04:34.000 Certainly.

00:04:35.000 And that's why I get away from organized religion myself.

00:04:38.000 But I think that in a way it actually divides people, that both films have decided attacks on religion, especially Christianity.

00:04:48.000 And I'm allowed to have that view and say that I don't particularly agree with that.

00:04:52.000 I don't hate Peter Joseph because of his views.

00:04:55.000 I don't even judge him.

00:04:55.000 I don't look down on him.

00:04:57.000 I just am allowed to have my view that I think that that is

00:05:04.000 is uh... itself a little bit close-minded uh... that doesn't mean that i buy in every superstition out there and conversely people like to start fights between any you know big alternative media movement icons or or or films you know a lot of zeitgeist people that attack me and say horrible things about me and they're not zeitgeist people but people that are followers of the film or use the name as a maxim or a a a a a logo kinda like the shingle or the flag they fly

00:05:32.000 And then a lot of folks who call themselves Alex Jones listeners who viciously attack Zeitgeist because of its anti-christian bent, and then that's probably why the Zeitgeist folks are attacking me, and then my people are attacking them more, and then that kind of creates with myself a subconscious disliking for it, because then I get attacked by a lot of extreme close-minded Christians and Muslims and religionists out there who get mad that my footage is in Zeitgeist.

00:05:59.000 Well, I mean, he put it in there first, and later he said, hey, can I use it?

00:06:02.000 And I said, fine.

00:06:03.000 And he has the rights to use the footage that he has in the first Zeitgeist now, because I'm actually for open discussion and things being out there, and a lot of people found my work because of Zeitgeist.

00:06:12.000 So, you know, I believe that we can take good out of even things that I see as not...

00:06:18.000 Thank you Alex, I appreciate you having me on.

00:06:20.000 And I'm glad you pointed out what you did.

00:06:21.000 So with that said as my opening statement, I want to bring Peter Joseph up on the air and let him have an opening statement about himself, Zeitgeist, and where all of this is going.

00:06:30.000 Peter, great to have you here.

00:06:31.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:06:33.000 I appreciate you having me on.

00:06:34.000 And I'm glad you pointed out what you did.

00:06:36.000 I think a lot of people listening to this cast are going to sit there waiting for some type of duke-out between you and I.

00:06:42.000 And debate is really an infantile disposition, I think, Discussion and open discussion is what we need to engage in.

00:06:49.000 We learn from each other, and that's what a society should really be thinking when we engage ideas that are conflicting from one belief system to another.

00:06:56.000 You know, competition and things like this that we think are naturally bred into us.

00:07:00.000 Dispositions of winning.

00:07:01.000 These are things I would like to address today.

00:07:04.000 I know you have different dispositions, as you stated, for example, in your October 8th broadcast.

00:07:10.000 And before I begin any of that, however, since you did bring up Christianity, first thing, I'm not attacking Christians whatsoever.

00:07:18.000 I think anybody who pays attention to what I've stated, as far as the first film, I go into the historical basicities of Christianity, and I linger into the philosophical dispositions and how it's very restrictive of the human mind.

00:07:29.000 In the second film, I detail how Essentially, the belief system itself is based on a rejection of new information, and this is very important and very difficult to deny when you get into faith-based ideologies.

00:07:42.000 And the whole encompassment, if that's a word, of the second film is to really try to pull people into a train of thought that's aligned with nature.

00:07:51.000 And that's why I present The Venus Project, and that's why I present these seemingly spooky things that people have been conditioned to fear, such as centralization of power, But it's not centralization of power in the orthodox manner that many people think to be true, or fearful of, or what history has presented.

00:08:07.000 Because the flaw of our society at its very core is that it has not addressed the root problems of what we're doing.

00:08:13.000 And those root problems are sourced in human behavior, not secret societies, or elites, or even human instinct.

00:08:20.000 We have to look at the environment and what the environment is producing.

00:08:24.000 And from there, we'll know the resolution.

00:08:25.000 And that's what I'd like to talk about today with you.

00:08:28.000 Well, Peter, out of the gates, global warming has become a religion.

00:08:32.000 The environment is important, the load of the earth is important, but technologies, as you and the experts you interview have rightly assessed, we can transcend all those problems.

00:08:41.000 And that is being suppressed by the elites who want to continue a cartel or an oligopoly.

00:08:47.000 But, you know, you talk about the load of the earth and, you know, running things according to the load of the earth.

00:08:51.000 Well, the controllers, they're already using that.

00:08:55.000 And saying we are going to, as a technocracy, as a scientific system, we are going to scientifically design society, and we're saying carbon dioxide's bad, when that's what plants breathe, and one of the four major elements, light, water, carbon dioxide, and oxygen, that make life possible here.

00:09:11.000 So see, out of the gates there's that oversimplification.

00:09:14.000 I think it's important to have the discussion.

00:09:17.000 It's just the way it can be interpreted is, I mean, that's a religion too.

00:09:21.000 I mean, there is a religious belief that carbon dioxide is bad and evil and a toxic waste.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, there's also a religious belief that the free market system is the end-all to our progress as a civilization.

00:09:32.000 They're all religious beliefs in their own accord.

00:09:34.000 If they're not addressed in a highly intellectual and scrutinizing manner, The best form of reference for that type of disposition or analysis, if you will, is what you refer to as the scientific method.

00:09:45.000 Everything that we have, well, first of all, let me counter one thing.

00:09:48.000 Essentially, what you're seeing with this ruling elite that you refer to, that, of course, they will use technology against humanity, the microchip, surveillance, we're seeing this rampantly.

00:09:57.000 Why?

00:09:58.000 Because their social system is failing.

00:10:00.000 They have to preserve the structure.

00:10:01.000 At least, that's my opinion, and we can go into more detail for that.

00:10:04.000 However, they are totally out of line with nature.

00:10:07.000 So what they're implying will never really work, because it will just produce more instability, the people will eventually rise up above it, because the system is emergent, and we are always learning new things, and things that do not work as the emergence proceeds will be phased out.

00:10:23.000 And this is where social stratification and all of these different elements come into play.

00:10:27.000 You see, I'm not talking about, for example, in your October 8th interview, excuse me, your review of the piece, You implied to your audience that there would be this eradication of the social structure.

00:10:39.000 Remember when you said that someone's going to come around with a gun and shoot people that are involved in the wrong type of social stratification?

00:10:46.000 That is not at all what this idea is about whatsoever.

00:10:50.000 The eradication notion comes from the disposition that human awareness, human value systems will be altered as the society is culminated in more alignment with nature itself.

00:11:02.000 Now, that's a very difficult thing to... How do you gauge the alignment with nature and what scientist or group is going to be able to develop the gauge by which you set up that system?

00:11:16.000 Well, you can look at it from... Here's a very oversimplified example, but I get the point across very easily.

00:11:21.000 If you have a plot of land, and you want to do something with that land, say grow something on it, build something on it, you're going to analyze the topsoil of it.

00:11:29.000 The parameters of that land become self-evident as to what you can do on it.

00:11:34.000 Now, when you apply this to the planet, you begin to see that the resources that the society needs, which can be assessed through surveying what is necessary for the society, Stay there, stay there.

00:11:44.000 We're going to skip this break right now.

00:11:45.000 occur naturally without opinion whatsoever because you're basing it on tangible resource management of the planet.

00:11:53.000 That's why in the film I keep going back to the same point.

00:11:56.000 Stay there.

00:11:57.000 We're going to skip this break right now.

00:11:58.000 Here we go.

00:11:59.000 Okay, continue, Peter.

00:12:03.000 It's the intelligent management of the Earth's resources that's needed.

00:12:06.000 Now, people don't understand what that means.

00:12:08.000 They don't know what that means because they've been so conditioned into this completely artificial structure of money and labor for money, competition for labor, and money for resources.

00:12:17.000 This is a complete, this is a completely fictional disposition.

00:12:21.000 It's a false system because there's nothing but resources.

00:12:24.000 And the ideology that will construct our new world, so to speak, is an ideology based on resource management as denoted through the scientific method.

00:12:33.000 So that plot of land has the resources available.

00:12:36.000 The only way you can have unification, intellectual unification, excuse me, let me back up, The only way you can have an abundance and an optimization of our world is if you understand what the planet has and you gauge all of its resources.

00:12:48.000 This is why in intellectual unification that Jacque Fresco talks about, world unification, it's not world government at all.

00:12:55.000 It's an entirely different ideological disposition based on what's available on the planet, what society needs, And this is an extremely long-winded conversation.

00:13:05.000 I wish we had more time.

00:13:06.000 Yeah, but who's going to decide what humanity needs?

00:13:08.000 The question isn't who's going to decide.

00:13:10.000 It's how will the decisions be made.

00:13:13.000 It's an ideological-based assumption based on nature.

00:13:15.000 There's an empirical order in working in nature forever.

00:13:20.000 For example, anything you have in your studio right now, all the technology is derived from one process, and that's called the scientific method.

00:13:27.000 Our society needs to be completely in accord with this.

00:13:30.000 The parameters are self-evident once you get this train of thought going.

00:13:33.000 But there are going to be people that, quote, want to be in accord, and there's huge debates within the scientific method, and so how are you going to bring something completely into accord or eradicate that?

00:13:48.000 Well, this is why human behavior has to be understood, which is another very important point that we need to... Well, I mean, and I disagree with you that humans are fundamentally, you know, don't have competition in them.

00:13:58.000 Okay, well... I mean, that is all over the animal kingdom.

00:14:00.000 That is the name of the game.

00:14:02.000 Sure, but why?

00:14:03.000 Why does the animal kingdom have this?

00:14:05.000 Because of resources.

00:14:07.000 Exactly.

00:14:07.000 But also because of the design in our development within that system of competition.

00:14:14.000 It is to deny how we were developed and what we have been developed to do.

00:14:20.000 I would have to respectfully disagree with that because there's no basis for that.

00:14:23.000 Everything that we have, that we think is derived naturally as far as human instinct, every form of human instinct that you see popularized by the modern-day alchemist, the geneticist that say, you know, they can find the genetic gene for smoking or the genetic gene to be a Republican.

00:14:38.000 This is completely ignoring basically everything that the environment has been teaching us.

00:14:43.000 For example, if I took, if you were taken as a little baby, infant, brought over to the Middle East, dropped off into a family that was Muslim, you would be on the air right now speaking Arabic, praising Allah, and you'd have a show called Info Jihad. 0.85

00:14:56.000 It's completely arbitrary to the extent...

00:14:59.000 I mean, I'm not saying that there are kernels of elements in our lives that dictate...

00:15:03.000 We want to live...

00:15:03.000 Well, wait a minute.

00:15:04.000 It's not kernels.

00:15:06.000 uh...

00:15:07.000 Conservatively, more than half of our activities in motion is genetic in nature.

00:15:14.000 And then nurture is the variant that will change, for the time and place and culture, how your genetic information manifests.

00:15:24.000 Everything that we understand has been taught to us in some capacity, especially our operations.

00:15:30.000 Every word I'm saying has been taught to me.

00:15:32.000 Every concept has been relayed in some capacity to me, and through my mental operations, which is a form of conditioning, I have arrived at novel conclusions.

00:15:41.000 My originality is simply because of the environmental influences that are completely and utterly conditioned to me, as opposed to everyone else.

00:15:50.000 Everyone is different because they come from different conditioning, in other words.

00:15:54.000 This is extremely powerful, and it's not 50-50.

00:15:56.000 It's probably 90-10.

00:15:59.000 Our conditioning is everything, and when we realize that the monetary system... Hold on, we're going back to the full audience.

00:16:03.000 Here we go.

00:16:14.000 Talking to the creator of Zeitgeist I and now Zeitgeist II Addendum, Peter Joseph.

00:16:23.000 Peter, I fundamentally, and we were just discussing this for the internet audience, only when we skipped that break we're back to the full audience now, I disagree with you fundamentally that humans are trained and conditioned to be competitive.

00:16:38.000 All higher species, mammals particularly, are competitive.

00:16:43.000 It is at its base a genetic competitiveness to pass on the traits that made the species excel in its environment.

00:16:52.000 Uh, in our, uh, development.

00:16:55.000 And then all the elite does is knows how to manipulate and punch those buttons and condition those and hone those and bring up certain instincts that have manifested through societal developments and to, and, and, and to over-express others and to suppress, uh, uh, others that they don't like.

00:17:12.000 Uh, and I mean, that's just, I fundamentally disagree with you, uh, on that point.

00:17:17.000 Well, I want to make a comment, then, that it's for the audience to decide, of course, and I think what people fail to realize, the geneticists fail to realize, what your worldview isn't taking into account are the millions, if not billions, of years of evolution based on scarcity.

00:17:33.000 All the animal kingdom has lived within scarcity.

00:17:35.000 You have to have social hierarchy of a pack of lions.

00:17:37.000 you have to have fighting because there's not enough to go around.

00:17:40.000 And you have to have fighting today because there's always going to be corrupt people.

00:17:44.000 But some of the Zeitgeist followers say, I can't even say what evil is because that's my Christian construct.

00:17:50.000 Evil is destroying the planet.

00:17:50.000 No, it's not.

00:17:52.000 Evil is killing life.

00:17:53.000 Evil is hurting the weak and the meek and the small.

00:17:56.000 These are basic rules that what is anti-life, what is destructive of the tribe, we call evil.

00:18:04.000 Define it for me.

00:18:05.000 What causes evil?

00:18:06.000 What causes someone to behave in an evil manner?

00:18:08.000 Well, I'm asking you, do you believe evil exists?

00:18:10.000 Absolutely not, because based on the definition of evil, it's basically a religious connotation.

00:18:15.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:18:16.000 It's an empty distinction.

00:18:17.000 If I was to redefine it, I'd say evil would be aberrant behavior.

00:18:20.000 And if I was to define aberrant behavior, I would say, almost conclusively, that aberrant behavior is caused by the necessities of the environment.

00:18:27.000 But is it aberrant to have a leech Through their breeding, through their culture, who are hyper-aggressive and hyper-dominant and sadistic, I call Satanists kidnapping a child and raping them for a month and cutting their heart out evil, because that is evil according to the human code, and evil according to us having safe, happy tribes who can go on being scientists and creating, which is the main drive and goal of this species.

00:18:53.000 Sure, nevertheless, however, it's always a product of conditioning.

00:18:56.000 The people in the secret societies that you talk about that have grown up with their elitism, they are molded and shaped.

00:19:02.000 Henry Kissinger, George Bush, these men brought up an elite system, they behave in elite ways.

00:19:07.000 That's right, they sent Prince Charles to boarding schools to be beat up, to be treated bad, to make him a nasty person.

00:19:14.000 Well, there you have it, and this is exactly my point.

00:19:16.000 So in order to fully change society, in order to really understand what's going on, you can't Use these outmoded words, at least in my opinion.

00:19:23.000 I don't like evil because it has a generally religious notion.

00:19:25.000 It denotes a certain element.

00:19:27.000 Here's what I'm saying to you.

00:19:29.000 I've read the social workers 150 years ago.

00:19:32.000 I've read the social engineers and the transhumanists and the post-humanists, and they all say very close to what you're saying about this utopia of the machines getting rid of our competitiveness, but then they bring in a hyper-competitiveness to dominate us. 0.82

00:19:45.000 When the social workers kidnap people's kids for no reason for the state to re-educate them, It makes nightmares.

00:19:52.000 I mean, I've heard all this and people showing me fancy roads and models of spaceships and saying we're going to create a utopia and we're not going to have money anymore.

00:20:01.000 And then what is money versus this monetary system you talk about with banker fractional reserve manipulation?

00:20:08.000 Well, first of all, first of all, there's no utopia.

00:20:11.000 I want to get this out of the way.

00:20:13.000 That's a loaded term just like evil.

00:20:15.000 It has no basis.

00:20:17.000 Secondly, the difference between the system that I'm advocating and the system that I'm advocating versus the Fractional Reserve Monetary System is multifaceted.

00:20:25.000 First of all, the Monetary System, I wouldn't be specific to talk about the Fractional Reserve System enslaved humanity distinctly, with absolute acuteness, because there's not enough money in the money supply to go around.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, but you're saying it's a system failing.

00:20:40.000 They designed it to consolidate power.

00:20:42.000 It is succeeding, according to their aims.

00:20:44.000 You're saying, and your experts are saying, society's going to fail so we'll have a new, better system, or a shot at it.

00:20:51.000 But to them, the drug war, any of it, it's not failing, it is succeeding, and they want to create a collapse to bring in more social engineering and their utopia.

00:21:01.000 Okay, well you changed the topic a little bit from what I was talking about, so let me address that.

00:21:05.000 Basically, the collapse is not entirely 100% rigged.

00:21:10.000 What it is, is a pyramid scheme that is tipping that they've been expecting for a long time, and of course, they're going to capitalize on it.

00:21:17.000 The fractional reserve system has to fail, and that's what we're talking about.

00:21:20.000 The monetary system has to fail because it's based on competition and self-interest, and power monopolies, just like in the second part of Zeitgeist Addendum where I talk about world monopolies.

00:21:30.000 Well, I'm going to stop you right there.

00:21:31.000 I'm going to stop you right there.

00:21:32.000 See, you can't even say you're wrong there.

00:21:34.000 They fundamentally design these in endless Ponzi schemes that always sieve out, like a guy panning for gold in a river, the wealth.

00:21:44.000 I mean, they admit it.

00:21:45.000 It's in all their documents.

00:21:47.000 Here we go.

00:21:47.000 We're going to skip this break, too.

00:21:48.000 We're going to skip it right now.

00:21:50.000 I mean, go ahead and counter that.

00:21:51.000 Go ahead and explain to me.

00:21:52.000 Explain to me how it's not engineered by them.

00:21:56.000 I'm not saying it's not engineered per se.

00:22:00.000 You make these leaps that I can't see how you can honestly stand behind them with a hundred percent confidence.

00:22:06.000 The fractional reserve system which has been put in place, they knew what would happen to it, but it created such a great level of differential advantage for their control of the corporate structure and everything else.

00:22:17.000 I don't think they wanted it to fail.

00:22:19.000 This is why the boom and bust cycle is what it is.

00:22:21.000 It's completely contrived.

00:22:22.000 I will admit that to you.

00:22:23.000 But they have a very delicate balance right now because the people, especially in the West, if the system fails the way it should, the way it mathematically should, just like every bust, should be about ten times worse than it really is.

00:22:35.000 But it's not because that's why the Federal Reserve was created, the lender of last resort.

00:22:38.000 They always create a new bubble.

00:22:39.000 Well, of course they do.

00:22:41.000 This is the way it has to work, though.

00:22:43.000 It's a natural phenomenon.

00:22:44.000 It's not as rigged as you think it is, because the money has to go somewhere, but they do protect it.

00:22:50.000 And right now we're seeing the top of this pyramid scheme collapse, and I think the elite, even though they have their power consolidation, they know that they have to walk a very delicate line, because the public is going to lose it.

00:23:01.000 The public, they're going to lose control of the public if they allow another depression.

00:23:05.000 Actually, sir, hold on, hold on.

00:23:08.000 Let's go back to what you just said there.

00:23:10.000 The central banks are cutting off liquidity to the real market and the population of the world.

00:23:15.000 They are then, while telling the public the money is going to them, conduiting all of the fiat currency to themselves while it still has some value, while they consolidate real assets, and Business Week and the Financial Times of London properly say that this is actually good for that small inner group of banks to consolidate.

00:23:33.000 I'm not saying it isn't, Alex.

00:23:34.000 I don't know where you're getting that.

00:23:35.000 Well, I mean, I got audio clips from the film is where I got that.

00:23:39.000 Well, if you listen to the first Zeitgeist, they make it extremely clear about the interests of the international bankers.

00:23:43.000 Look, I overall think your film is healthy and good and thought-provoking and great.

00:23:48.000 It's just that I've always told my listeners, don't make what I'm saying a religion where I'm infallible and, you know, question me, and I'm saying, you know, And obviously no work can be complete, none of it can be perfect.

00:24:01.000 I'm hoping here, and I'm sure you've got things you can teach me, to open up avenues of discussion and refinement, not in your overall idea, but in how people are interpreting it.

00:24:10.000 Because certainly you know about the socialists and the Fabian socialists and the engineers, and HG Wells and Bertrand Russell and all them, saying about 90% of what you're saying at the end of Zeitgeist Addendum, but overlaying it with government central control to be able to construct it.

00:24:27.000 Well, I couldn't disagree more based on the fact that what has been presented might sound like socialism.

00:24:33.000 It might sound like Marxism because of those kernels of element of having a system that's designed for society as opposed to everyone fighting each other in order to survive in this monetary system-based competition illusion that's been created.

00:24:47.000 The difference is the entire foundation of this is that it's related to science purely.

00:24:51.000 And the thing about all the early Fabian socialists and all these guys, whatever their intent was, negative or positive, they had no concept of what technology is.

00:24:58.000 And neither does half the people on this planet.

00:24:59.000 All right, stay there.

00:25:00.000 Stay there.

00:25:00.000 Full audience right now.

00:25:01.000 Here we go.

00:25:06.000 Hey, let's keep this rolling underneath our guests. 0.75

00:25:08.000 I'm going to try to control myself.

00:25:09.000 I'm going to sit here and write notes. 0.69

00:25:10.000 I'm going to shut up for 10 minutes.

00:25:12.000 Peter Joseph, creator of Zeitgeist.

00:25:16.000 And you just run with what you're really saying overall, trying to encapsulate it all, and then I'll come in with some of my primitive musings here.

00:25:26.000 My feeble mind will try to grasp it.

00:25:28.000 But again, I want to say overall, I think your film's healthy and thought-provoking.

00:25:33.000 I think these discussions are important, and people shouldn't allow institutionalized religion or anything to shudder their intellect from trying to grasp the whole width, breadth, and depth of this multifaceted, multivariate universe that we swim in.

00:25:49.000 So, creator of Zeitgeist, you go ahead.

00:25:51.000 You've got the floor.

00:25:52.000 All right.

00:25:53.000 Well, the first thing we need to discuss is the monetary system itself and the system that is underlying, or the belief system that is perpetuated by this structure.

00:26:02.000 The greatest failure of our society for thousands and thousands of years is to not address the root causes of human behavior, And the monetary system has created one of the worst Behavioral complexes that society has ever seen.

00:26:15.000 It is compounding age-old instincts which have very little relevance to progress at all, including things like competition.

00:26:22.000 If I was ever to call it an instinct, I'd say it's a natural culmination due to environment.

00:26:27.000 If you're put into an environment of scarcity where there's no work, no jobs, you're going to be forced to steal.

00:26:31.000 Your aberrant behavior is a creation.

00:26:33.000 It's not inbred whatsoever, and I can defend that on multiple levels, but I'm going to move on to talk about the system itself, the monetary system, It doesn't matter if it's free enterprise.

00:26:43.000 It doesn't matter if it's communistic or capitalistic or socialist.

00:26:48.000 These are loaded terms based on basically outmoded ideologies that are no longer relevant.

00:26:54.000 What we have is a system of competition that's inherently based on the assumption that human beings must fight with each other in order to survive.

00:27:04.000 That's one.

00:27:05.000 The second point is that human beings have to have incentive in order to be motivated to do something.

00:27:13.000 And these are two extremely dangerous and ill-gotten perceptions of human behavior.

00:27:19.000 The first mode to the effect that, to the effect that human beings need to have incentive, I'll go to that one first, is human beings' motivation can come from many different places.

00:27:31.000 When you're a child, you have all sorts of interests that you pursue.

00:27:34.000 You have all sorts of creativities that you find fascinating.

00:27:38.000 You don't know what money is.

00:27:39.000 You don't need incentive to do something.

00:27:41.000 Einstein and Galileo, all of these great men that contributed, they didn't need money as incentive to do something.

00:27:48.000 This is something they did on their own accord.

00:27:50.000 Unfortunately, the brainwashing of society has forced people into a disposition where they want to be rewarded for what they do, and that means they want monetary compensation.

00:28:00.000 No one will do anything in society without reward, and that includes solving social problems.

00:28:05.000 If you can't make money off of solving a social problem in the system, it won't be done.

00:28:10.000 And that is a very, very sad state of affairs.

00:28:14.000 The first part, the first mention that I made, was humans have to fight To compete for labor and income, the scarcity that exists in the system.

00:28:22.000 This is created by the monetary system, not only through the fractional reserve system, but in the very structure itself.

00:28:28.000 You can't have a society and expect progress in civil arrangements, ethics, decency, whatever you want to call it, morality, in a system where everyone is gaining off of everyone else through differential advantage.

00:28:40.000 This can't work, it doesn't work, and it's never going to work.

00:28:44.000 This is why the world is what it is today.

00:28:47.000 Almost exclusively based on this competitive notion that is compounded and perpetuated by the monetary system.

00:28:53.000 And this is the greatest failure that people don't understand.

00:28:55.000 This is why I argue against it.

00:28:57.000 I'm not saying that the Venus Project, and they're the first to admit this as well, is the end-all.

00:29:02.000 There's no utopia.

00:29:03.000 But they recognize this core element that is corrupting human behavior, so we have to move out of this system.

00:29:09.000 One of the things that people don't realize about the monetary system, which is very important, and I think you should think about this too, at least this fabled free enterprise system specifically, is that it always leads to corruption.

00:29:21.000 We say that the free enterprise system is, you know, it could be great, it could be pure.

00:29:25.000 You could have a perfect free enterprise system, and it would work.

00:29:28.000 Well, there's no such thing as that, because it automatically leads to corruption.

00:29:32.000 It automatically leads to oligopoly and monopoly.

00:29:34.000 It automatically leads to aberrant behavior and power consolidation, because that's the basis of it.

00:29:39.000 That is the guiding principle of differential advantage.

00:29:42.000 In order for society to progress, you have to eliminate this differential advantage and all the social stratification that occurs because of it, all the materialism, We have an advertising system that sits there and tells us that our value is based on what we own, and artistic representation is, our creativity is what we own, who we are, our identities are what we own, and this is a colossal and tremendous distortion that needs to be overcome.

00:30:07.000 So, the basis of this argument is that we have to have a new system that gets rid of these tendencies This thing called the New World Order that people talk about all the time, and I actually would like you to come back on the air and answer a question for me.

00:30:22.000 And that is, what is the New World Order as you define it, Alex?

00:30:28.000 What is the New World Order as I define it?

00:30:30.000 Well, what is it in a concise definition?

00:30:32.000 If you were to explain this to someone who has never even heard of such a thing in a real concise manner, what is the New World Order?

00:30:39.000 It is a hereditary clan that rules through the fraudulent fractional reserve monetary banking scam that operates through intelligence systems and shadow governments.

00:31:00.000 And their goal is what?

00:31:02.000 Their goal is hyper-dominance and to control the past, the present, and the future, to set up a worldwide police state by manipulating people's primitive fears with manufactured terror threats, biological threats, chemical threats.

00:31:20.000 Their endgame is to exterminate Well, most of them now say 99% of the population.

00:31:25.000 The public documents say 80%.

00:31:27.000 And to create then a machine utopia where the elite and their progeny go to the stars.

00:31:34.000 It is a worldwide eugenics cult that is in control of most of the resources on the planet and is eradicating the family and the free market. 0.98

00:31:46.000 And then of course demonizing the free market by claiming this corrupt system they have is a free market.

00:31:52.000 They are now in the final phases of their worldwide consolidation, their victory, which people are calling a collapse or failure.

00:32:00.000 And what is the path you think everyone should take to stop this new world order?

00:32:05.000 The path is multifaceted.

00:32:07.000 We have to take control of our local political units first.

00:32:10.000 We have to stop the electronic voting machine fraud system.

00:32:13.000 To do that we have to discredit the system, discredit the corrupt.

00:32:17.000 What about the people, though?

00:32:18.000 What about these people that are the ones that are perpetuating this?

00:32:21.000 What is your solution for these people?

00:32:23.000 corruption you know on the graph on the deepest points i am in the trough uh...

00:32:29.000 what about the people that are the ones that are perpetuating this what is your solution for these people what do we do with these people so to speak i mean what is well i don't like bloody french type revolution which then turn into something almost even worse I think they need to be identified, exposed, and then they need to be tried by juries of their peers.

00:32:47.000 They need to be given fair trials and sent to prison.

00:32:50.000 And then their assets need to be nationalized to pay off all the fiat debts they have created.

00:32:57.000 We need to have a population where we don't restrict Madison Avenue telling us we're inadequate so they can sell us products we need to become conscious of these motivations and decide with the discernment what is a good advertisement what is a bad advertisement you know in your film you talk about or some of your experts talk about how we can't you know basically in a free market or in a system of selling a vase or selling a car selling a house or you know getting our kidney taken out

00:33:26.000 we can't trust anyone Well, no, we need to learn to investigate and go to references and, you know, that's why in the past we had brand names, you know, a sewing machine that was known to last longer and be better.

00:33:38.000 That way, if this is not free market, slave goods coming in from China that fall apart in five minutes.

00:33:44.000 And so I disagree with that fundamentally and there's just so much I disagree.

00:33:47.000 I disagree so much fundamentally with saying we just can't trust the free market in products and goods because people have a reason to lie to you, to sell you crap, because somebody might have something better, and then that stops people from progressing.

00:33:59.000 When it is the limited free market, though invaded and corrupted monopolies through government help that have been set up, that we do have societal development, technological development, because people do want gain by their inventions, and they do want the prestige.

00:34:14.000 And it has been our competitive renaissance free market, the yeoman farmer becoming a tinkerer, becoming an engineer, turning loose the native intelligence of the commoners that has created all the amazing things we see around us, but that's at the byproduct of making us decadent and selfish in Madison Avenue through brainwashing but that's at the byproduct of making us decadent and selfish in Madison Avenue through brainwashing to secure the elite as they try to come in with a counter-revolution to take over 0.74

00:34:40.000 And so they have damaged and programmed the majority of the public, and so we need to, at a cellular level, those of us that are aware, try to wake up our friends, family, neighbors, communities, and at a cellular level, one cell at a time, heal the system with an exponential growth curve towards doing that.

00:34:56.000 Okay, let's step back to my original question, which was about the New World Order.

00:35:01.000 I told you what they are.

00:35:02.000 They are hereditary kings who learned how to go underground.

00:35:06.000 I'm commenting on this.

00:35:07.000 This is why I wanted to ask the question.

00:35:09.000 I thought you were posing it again.

00:35:10.000 You said, I go back to my original question.

00:35:11.000 No, no, no.

00:35:12.000 I just wanted to go back and address it, because you've gone on a nice tangent, which I appreciate, but you've moved away from what my original response was going to be.

00:35:18.000 Well, it's a complex world that takes complex solutions.

00:35:21.000 I'm giving you actually analyzed information.

00:35:23.000 Things that have been thought out.

00:35:25.000 Of course, well that's... Not general ideas!

00:35:29.000 Let me comment, if you don't mind.

00:35:31.000 Basically, your assumption then on the New World Order is that you have to have the public to wake up to this elite group that are trying to dominate things, and then you have to prosecute them and put them in jail and take them out.

00:35:42.000 And that will be the resolution as you basically do that.

00:35:44.000 That will not be the total resolution, but yes, we have a, just like the Nazis, they had to be taken out. 0.88

00:35:49.000 Or, you know, finally the Communist Chinese said Mao and his wife are nuts, killing everybody, because they made a deal with these eugenicists in Europe, we've got to arrest them, you know, we've got to arrest his wife.

00:35:59.000 Okay, well, here's a difference I know you're going to disagree with, but I think it's good for your audience to ponder this.

00:36:04.000 The genetic basis, the heredity basis that you assume is very much unsupported because, as I said, these secret societies are secret societies.

00:36:12.000 They culminate.

00:36:14.000 They culminate who they bring in, and everyone is conditioned into a particular worldview.

00:36:18.000 But the secret societies are also conditioned in and of themselves.

00:36:21.000 Their conditioning comes from somewhere.

00:36:24.000 And my point to you and your audience is that the New World Order is not Some elite sect of people.

00:36:30.000 If you took out every single person at the top of the so-called... The system is still there, and more people would step into those places like shark teeth.

00:36:38.000 That's not what I said.

00:36:39.000 I said take the consolidated... Because that's how they've been conditioned.

00:36:44.000 That's how the system's been set up.

00:36:46.000 And they are coming from that same mindset.

00:36:49.000 They want that power.

00:36:50.000 It's the environment.

00:36:51.000 It's the environment, isn't it, Alex?

00:36:52.000 It's the environment.

00:36:53.000 Well, I never said the environment wasn't part of all this.

00:36:56.000 I know you did.

00:36:57.000 But I'm saying we as a people are competitive and you have malfunctioning hyper... I mean here's an example.

00:37:03.000 I try not to be that competitive and lift people up and bring them in and then I find out as soon as they think they're a big shot they turn around and attack.

00:37:11.000 Primitively thinking in competition if they knock me the king monkey off in this movement that somehow that will make them the king monkey but that isn't the case because in reality I'm not even you know the king monkey in all of this.

00:37:23.000 So I'm saying competitiveness is a Good thing overall, it just has to be, we have to be conscious of it, and we have to have rules and parameters in it, and then have a, you know, playbook basically that societally we agree on, and that we're constantly changing.

00:37:38.000 So, I mean, this whole thing of trying to say that we innately aren't aggressive, and that, you know, we are, I mean, no matter what culture it is, little girls innately, start going and building a camp and start breaking up wood and practicing making dinner.

00:37:52.000 You can take a girl. 0.96

00:37:53.000 I've tried with my girls, have them play with toy guns and army men and soccer and football.

00:37:59.000 I want tomboys.

00:38:00.000 And you know what?

00:38:01.000 They don't like that.

00:38:02.000 They go directly for the pink Barbie.

00:38:03.000 And it isn't culture because they're not allowed to watch TV.

00:38:06.000 Well, I think I would have to see those instances and conditions.

00:38:13.000 I really can't relay this enough. 0.94

00:38:15.000 This is ridiculous. 0.96

00:38:16.000 Why does a sperm whale go south in the winter? 0.97

00:38:22.000 I mean, it is genetic.

00:38:23.000 Why do geese know how to fly according to magnetic poles? 0.98

00:38:26.000 You are saying... Why do birds build a nest?

00:38:29.000 Exactly.

00:38:30.000 You're saying instinct has nothing to do with it.

00:38:32.000 It's imprinting.

00:38:32.000 This is insane.

00:38:33.000 It's imprinting.

00:38:34.000 The bird builds a nest because it's born in a nest.

00:38:36.000 You took a bird immediately out of the nest.

00:38:38.000 Oh my God!

00:38:38.000 How does a garden spider know how to spin a web?

00:38:45.000 I mean, what are you... Let me tell you, bro, you've got some major issues that are wrong, and I'm telling you, you're influential, yeah, you're influential, and that's a good thing, because the alternative needs to become, you know, the majority, and I'm all for this, but I'm telling you, and I'm not even looking to argue with you here today, I'm just telling you, I'm telling you, man, does the mommy spider teach the spider how to do that?

00:39:10.000 Are elephants, do elephant bulls fight with each other for dominance, for the best Look, humans are very different from other organisms on this planet.

00:39:18.000 We have the ability to think and create.

00:39:19.000 Our instincts can be changed, whatever that means.

00:39:21.000 The instincts of survival have to culminate in order to survive in the environment.

00:39:23.000 Look, you can't take the spider out of the spider.

00:39:25.000 You can't take the man out of the man.

00:39:27.000 Look, humans are very different from other organisms on this planet.

00:39:32.000 We have the ability to think and create.

00:39:33.000 Our instincts can be changed, whatever that means.

00:39:37.000 There are no actual human instincts, and I have tons of science to back this up, especially the human being who is so malleable, so easy for influence.

00:39:45.000 If you don't believe that, take a look at the news.

00:39:48.000 You're missing it.

00:39:49.000 I agree with you.

00:39:50.000 I believe that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

00:39:52.000 I'm going to say the competition... Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:39:55.000 What makes us innately different is that we can transcend and rapidly change and we are not completely frozen into instinct like animals.

00:40:04.000 I'm just saying that there are those two parts.

00:40:08.000 There are, but one is very much overshadowed the other, and that is the conditioning.

00:40:13.000 That is the environment.

00:40:14.000 We have to change the environment if we expect the world to change.

00:40:16.000 Ladies and gentlemen, you're not going to get anywhere by building more prisons, getting more police, and making more laws.

00:40:23.000 Well, stop, stop!

00:40:25.000 The social engineers want to put people in prisons because they own them, and they want to have slavery, so this is the way to legalize slavery and say, if we catch you with this compound that's addictive that we ship in, then we're going to put you in our slave pit. 1.00

00:40:36.000 You're acting, you and your, because I've been watching your film and watching other people that support what you're saying, and it's the view that the elite are dumb and stupid and they don't know what they're doing and they're idiots and more cops and more prisons aren't going to work. 1.00

00:40:50.000 Of course it's working! 1.00

00:40:52.000 More people in prison, more slavery, more control, it's working beautifully! 0.61

00:40:58.000 Sure, that's one angle to look at it, but nevertheless, the public is conditioned to think these institutions are actually true and real institutions. 0.95

00:41:04.000 And not all of, not every stratified element of the prison system are a bunch of elites sitting there talking about... No, no, the low-level morons that have lost all their other factory jobs and... 0.90

00:41:13.000 want to work as prison guards in there. 0.97

00:41:15.000 You're absolutely right.

00:41:16.000 They've been forced through engineering into that evil economy, that corrupt, that bad, that anti-human, that suppressing.

00:41:22.000 Grabbing some black kid because he was caught with cocaine the government shipped him when he was 14 years old because the MTV tells him it's cool with the bling culture and throwing him in a tiny cell to now be trained how to be a hardcore criminal.

00:41:34.000 That is evil against the human code of nurturing and growing and training and building and reaching for the stars. 0.98

00:41:41.000 There is evil, and I will declare abortion evil, I will declare us special, I will declare us a divine species in the image of God, and I will not let the technocrats or anybody else tell me that, because I know we're going to the stars, and I know our destiny is great, and I know a little black kid having pesticide tested on until they die is evil! 0.97

00:42:03.000 Sure, but that evil has a source, and that's what you fail to realize.

00:42:06.000 And that source can be addressed through the environment and conditioned out of.

00:42:09.000 And until you realize that, your irrational tirades are not going to help anything.

00:42:13.000 It's not irrational!

00:42:14.000 It's not irrational!

00:42:15.000 It is my instinct with the intellectual overlaid into the animal propulsion system to drive the species and to rally my fellow humans to come out of their cocoons and resist the tyranny!

00:42:29.000 Yeah, the us against them.

00:42:30.000 Of course, the us against them.

00:42:32.000 There is an us against them!

00:42:33.000 There's always going to be Jeffrey Dahmers. 0.78

00:42:35.000 There's always going to be Ted Turners. 0.98

00:42:37.000 There's always going to be Albert Pikes.

00:42:39.000 You're always going to need weapons, because enemies are always going to come against you.

00:42:44.000 There is going to be no utopia, ladies and gentlemen.

00:42:47.000 We must stop being so trusting.

00:42:49.000 It was talk of utopia that killed 200 million people in the last century!

00:42:54.000 We're going to skip this break.

00:42:56.000 Yeah!

00:42:56.000 All right, go ahead.

00:43:02.000 You got the floor. - I'm glad we're having a discussion as opposed to a debate, Alex.

00:43:10.000 It is a discussion.

00:43:11.000 Well, sure.

00:43:13.000 You've been engaging in low-level monkey behavior.

00:43:16.000 You've been debating.

00:43:17.000 Don't say, I'm the only primitive.

00:43:22.000 No, I'm not debating.

00:43:23.000 I'm trying to present ideas, but you keep cutting me off and projecting what you think is true.

00:43:27.000 I'm projecting what?

00:43:28.000 But you know!

00:43:30.000 You know what is true!

00:43:32.000 Hold on, you're saying that what you're saying is a fact and I'm projecting what I know to be true?

00:43:38.000 What I'm suggesting is that it's been proven by evidence continuously.

00:43:41.000 You have absolutely no proof.

00:43:43.000 That's a lawyer's statement!

00:43:45.000 I'll give you proof all day!

00:43:47.000 Proof of what?

00:43:48.000 What proof do you seek?

00:43:50.000 You base your assumption on the fact that we've always lived in scarcity, yet you don't recognize that.

00:43:55.000 Without that drive of scarcity, our key propulsion system is lost to go to the stars. 0.83

00:44:03.000 No, that's ridiculous.

00:44:04.000 What are you talking about?

00:44:05.000 Our prime drive is to build, and that comes out of scarcity in our development needing to have a drive, needing to be restless, needing to build a better mousetrap, a better throwing spear, so that the tribe could survive.

00:44:21.000 I don't think that's fundamentally evil.

00:44:24.000 Yeah, there are subgroups of humans who are predatating, engaging in predator activity against their fellow humans like we are a subspecies that deserves to be fed on.

00:44:36.000 I'm saying that's sin.

00:44:38.000 I'm saying that's crime.

00:44:40.000 I'm saying we need communities of purpose and I agree with a lot of what you're talking about.

00:44:45.000 Yes, but you fail continuously to see the fundamental point.

00:44:49.000 And what is the fundamental point?

00:44:51.000 It's human conditioning and not genetics that has the relevant issue here.

00:44:55.000 If you want to maintain this society, say for example, you want to continue this thing you call the free market, which is probably the most, I mean, monetary system of all accord.

00:45:04.000 Communism, socialism, fascism, it doesn't matter.

00:45:07.000 Those are all scams!

00:45:09.000 Listen, monitor!

00:45:11.000 Stop interrupting me, I'm not finished!

00:45:13.000 This is the type of thing that people need to understand about the environment.

00:45:15.000 As long as we have a monetary system that is based on people getting advantage of each other.

00:45:20.000 You know those $29.95 DVD conspiracy combo packs you sell?

00:45:24.000 You know what you have?

00:45:25.000 You have a little $29.95.

00:45:26.000 It's to manipulate your audience into buying it because they don't think it's $30.

00:45:30.000 This is the type of nonsense manipulation that goes on every day that we think is commonplace and it's a distortion It's anti-human.

00:45:37.000 You engage in it.

00:45:38.000 I am forced to engage in it.

00:45:39.000 I'm forced.

00:45:39.000 If you want to get a job, if you're to get a job anywhere, you are participating in a corrupt behavior because you have to take that work away from somebody else.

00:45:47.000 No, you're part of a tribe.

00:45:48.000 You're part of a team.

00:45:49.000 It's just the elites don't treat the subgroups like that.

00:45:51.000 Hey, we're coming back to the full audience, and I want to address what you just said in this whole discussion about money, okay?

00:45:57.000 Here we go right now.

00:45:58.000 That's now.

00:46:00.000 Is it getting better?

00:46:14.000 Amen.

00:46:16.000 All right.

00:46:17.000 Or do you feel the same?

00:46:20.000 Is it easier on you now?

00:46:23.000 Will it make it easier on you now?

00:46:25.000 You've got someone to blame.

00:46:27.000 You've got someone to blame.

00:46:29.000 All right, our guest is the creator of Zeitgeist.

00:46:31.000 He says he's not debating. 0.93

00:46:36.000 But he, A, just engaged in just amazing hypocrisy. 0.51

00:46:43.000 And I'm going to finish this and let you counter.

00:46:45.000 People listening on the internet.

00:46:48.000 You know, saying the incredible, those little DVD compacts, you know, you sell.

00:46:54.000 It's, you know, $29.95 is manipulative and, you know, it's bad.

00:46:59.000 And then you go on to say that what I am forced to sell, you know, exactly you sell your films.

00:47:05.000 You have the money for the computers.

00:47:07.000 Let me finish.

00:47:08.000 The money for the cameras, the money to fly places, to interview people, to make an even better film, to pay for your apartment in New York or wherever it is you're at.

00:47:17.000 To do all of this, and I'm not saying that the monetary system isn't a total throb of fractional reserve banking and fiat currency running a scam or an image, but if farmers want to create their local county or city money that they agree upon on exchanging, that greases the skids of commerce, makes it easier for them to exchange goods, that's something that's needed.

00:47:37.000 And I've done whole shows on marketing and saying, why don't I sell a video for $20.

00:47:43.000 Why do I say $19.95?

00:47:46.000 Because psychologically, the $19.95 sounds like it's somehow less, and plus it's what we're used to in the parameters of bigger advertisement, so it triggers those neural pathways that make people buy.

00:47:59.000 Now, I really resent the fact that I pioneered, I pioneered 12 years ago, putting my videos on the web for free.

00:48:06.000 And then even paying with my own bandwidth, not just for free, paying to give it to people!

00:48:12.000 Paying to be a slave! 0.98

00:48:14.000 And then I pioneered viral videos on the web, I pioneered going up and bullhorning politicians, I pioneered going and taking over press conferences, and literally...

00:48:23.000 I had no idea I was doing it at the time, it just seemed most effective.

00:48:25.000 I've done all this, I've given, I've given, I've given, I've given, I've given, I've given, and then you could say that I'm evilly manipulating people, selling things, and how I'm selling it, but then in the next breath admit you are selling stuff.

00:48:39.000 That is, and I always love it, you know, the futurist and the engineer you interview in your film, Jacques, His house is up for sale right now, this 20-acre compound I saw online.

00:48:51.000 I mean, you know, he's selling stuff.

00:48:53.000 Oh, Mike, but see, when you do it, it's loving.

00:48:57.000 When I do it, it's bad.

00:48:58.000 Explain that to me.

00:49:00.000 It's getting really annoying to me, so why don't you step back a second and listen to what I actually said.

00:49:05.000 I said, when you put something online and you say it's $29.95 a loan, I don't give a damn about what you're doing as far as this and that.

00:49:13.000 It's irrelevant to the point that I was making.

00:49:16.000 My point is that you are engaging in a manipulative practice.

00:49:19.000 If you want to sell them for $20, put it up for $20.

00:49:22.000 Don't make it $19.95.

00:49:23.000 The entire system is based on differential advantage and manipulation.

00:49:26.000 I did in the past, and I told people... You are there to preserve... I put it up there.

00:49:30.000 I'm able.

00:49:31.000 You're not evil, are you?

00:49:50.000 The financial system, not in the way it's constructed, but the actual underpinning mechanism that guides human behavior in the economic structure that relates to business and everything else, will lead only to corruption, monopoly, self-preservation.

00:50:04.000 You have your own self-preservation.

00:50:05.000 Why do birds get shiny objects and put them in their nest?

00:50:07.000 I don't know, tell me.

00:50:12.000 Well, it's not because they're greedy and evil, and Madison Avenue told them.

00:50:18.000 They like the shiny thing.

00:50:21.000 So to say that humans wanting things, or wanting a house on a hill because they can see a beautiful vista, to claim that people wanting things is inherently bad, it's just that it's lower on the hierarchy of needs.

00:50:33.000 And if you will do immoral things for things, that's bad.

00:50:38.000 I'm not putting words in my mouth.

00:50:39.000 I'm not putting words in your mouth.

00:50:43.000 Hey, let me talk to him.

00:50:44.000 We'll stay on air here for a minute.

00:50:46.000 Hey, we're going to have a one minute break and we'll come right back to you for the second hour, okay?

00:50:51.000 Alright, Alex.

00:50:51.000 And we're going to play some clips of Zeitgeist Addendum here and get your response to those.

00:50:56.000 You know, I'd really appreciate it if you'd actually let me respond because I have a very simple train of thought I'm luring here.

00:51:01.000 Look, I mean, look, look.

00:51:01.000 You're jumping off on cliffs, man.

00:51:03.000 Hey Peter, it sounds to me you're another one of these intellectuals who will say vicious, aggressive things and then piss their pants if anybody else... hold on a minute... piss their pants if anybody else says anything half as mean back to them. 0.91

00:51:18.000 Okay?

00:51:18.000 And now I'm really going to do a critique of you and now I'm getting out the fine-tooth comb.

00:51:22.000 So get ready.

00:51:25.000 Uh-huh, yeah.

00:51:25.000 Hey, hey, listen, here we go.

00:51:27.000 What if I said negative?

00:51:28.000 Hey, what you don't realize is I've said a hundred times on air that 2995 is manipulative, and I point out on air it is.

00:51:33.000 So, again... Well, I'm just making the example out here.

00:51:35.000 Okay, hey, here we go, here we go.

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00:51:59.000 This all started a couple weeks ago when I watched Zeitgeist Addendum.

00:52:14.000 And I came on air and I said, look, all I know is I'm hearing the same buzzwords.

00:52:18.000 Government withering away, eradication of the classes, and we're going to play those clips.

00:52:24.000 And I said, I think these people all mean well, and I think it's all interesting.

00:52:27.000 It's just human nature.

00:52:28.000 And look, human nature, you've got two men on the air, and look, he's getting fiery, he's getting upset.

00:52:33.000 That's the passion!

00:52:34.000 That's not evil or even something competitive.

00:52:37.000 That is the tectonic, volcanic fury spewing out of Vulcan's Blacksmith shop.

00:52:47.000 That's humanity.

00:52:50.000 So listen, I tried to give you ten minutes earlier just to run.

00:52:52.000 You say I keep interrupting, but you keep making statements at me, so I'm going to make counters.

00:52:56.000 So I'm going to just go.

00:52:57.000 Run with it.

00:52:58.000 You've got the floor.

00:53:00.000 Well, first of all, it's not the passion for me to get irritated and express that irritation.

00:53:04.000 It's the condition that you've set up.

00:53:06.000 Because apparently the only way to communicate with you is through this kind of WWF aggression that you seem to perpetuate.

00:53:11.000 Exactly. 0.96

00:53:12.000 You've got to sit up there with a big bubble alien head, like on Star Trek, and I'm the dumb Captain Kirk down here. 0.96

00:53:17.000 You're like, I am the Watcher. 0.97

00:53:19.000 You are the little... Yeah, keep it going.

00:53:20.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:53:20.000 No, no, you always push yourself.

00:53:22.000 Oh, I'm up here.

00:53:25.000 I'm figuring it out.

00:53:26.000 If you listen to anything that was ever presented in my films, I don't...

00:53:29.000 I know!

00:53:29.000 Listen!

00:53:30.000 Go, man!

00:53:30.000 You got the floor!

00:53:32.000 Well, actually, my whole point was to actually discuss things with you, Alex, and I'm going to say a bunch of things, and you're going to come back on, and you're going to project a bunch of other things.

00:53:39.000 So, what I will say is essentially what I said before, because your audience is the most important thing here, and that's who I really would like to speak with.

00:53:46.000 Ladies and gentlemen, People, we have to start thinking about root causes of behavior.

00:53:51.000 We can't have these superstitious notions of reality.

00:53:54.000 Religion wants us to believe that there's a good and an evil. 0.72

00:53:57.000 This is easy to understand.

00:53:58.000 It's easy to think that some people are just naturally good and naturally bad.

00:54:02.000 This is a sad, sad worldview of humanity.

00:54:05.000 It's perpetuated and consolidated in our mind because the system that's been created continues this bad human tendency.

00:54:14.000 It continues this need for self-perpetuation, self-preservation.

00:54:18.000 Wait, how can you say there's even a bad?

00:54:19.000 I mean, bad, evil, same thing?

00:54:23.000 I never said that evil didn't exist.

00:54:25.000 In a sense, I'm redefining the term, Alex.

00:54:28.000 It's not bad or good.

00:54:29.000 I'm giving it a quantitative nation to make it relevant.

00:54:31.000 It is bad for people to beat each other up, as far as I'm concerned.

00:54:35.000 There is a quality distinction, but it's not evil.

00:54:37.000 There's reasons behind it.

00:54:38.000 When you say evil, you are implying a religious connotation that rejects Be- behavioral conditioning of that person.

00:54:45.000 And every single human being is born- there's no difference between a Gandhi baby and a Hitler baby. 0.83

00:54:49.000 I hate to break it to you.

00:54:50.000 It's all a matter of conditioning.

00:54:52.000 Until you address this, nothing's going to change.

00:54:55.000 The New World Order will continue. 0.67

00:54:56.000 People at the top will be arrested.

00:54:57.000 We'll have more false flag terrorist attacks.

00:54:59.000 Society will break down.

00:55:00.000 You'll have power consolidation.

00:55:01.000 Even the rich elite will eventually suffer because they are completely out of line with nature.

00:55:06.000 And that's the entire point.

00:55:07.000 You cannot have a system based on differential advantage in society and expect progress.

00:55:12.000 And back to your other point.

00:55:13.000 Progress is not money.

00:55:15.000 It's human creativity and science and technology.

00:55:17.000 Everything you have You owe it to science and technology.

00:55:21.000 Everything in your studio right now, the chair you're sitting on... Oh, that's the human mind.

00:55:25.000 Of course it is, and that's the beauty of the human being.

00:55:27.000 We have the ability to create something that the animal kingdom does not have.

00:55:31.000 Not to the extent that we... Well, B.F.

00:55:33.000 Skinner said beyond good and evil, and then once you're beyond good and evil, then they say it's okay for them to do whatever they want.

00:55:38.000 But you're not saying that.

00:55:41.000 Say that again?

00:55:43.000 Skinner and people talked about beyond good and evil.

00:55:48.000 So by any time we try to make a moral judgment, people say that's just religious.

00:55:53.000 Or, well hold on, I know Brahma cattle.

00:55:56.000 Brahma cattle are very aggressive genetically.

00:55:58.000 They're some of the most dangerous type of cows to have. 1.00

00:56:02.000 And that is genetic.

00:56:03.000 That's not trained into the Brahma cows. 0.79

00:56:09.000 Well, I mean, they've done all sorts of genetic studies, and I mean, a lot of aggression is genetic, and then it can be taken down or it can be jacked up.

00:56:18.000 Sure.

00:56:18.000 But I think you'll tend to find, though, there's a lot of discontinuous information, a lot of bad research that's gone into the geneticists.

00:56:25.000 Ideologies.

00:56:26.000 For example, the reason that these cattle might be violent has nothing to do with their genetics.

00:56:29.000 It's the fact that they're born into this violent herd, and they condition those responses.

00:56:33.000 This is the nature with all dogs.

00:56:34.000 It's the nature... You know, there's a cliche of Rottweilers being mean.

00:56:38.000 This isn't true.

00:56:38.000 It just happens to be that the people that get these Rottweilers do so with a specific intent, and the statistics support that they're conditioned aberrantly.

00:56:45.000 Well, I think that's a big part of it, but a lot of people have nice, sweet pit bulls and rottweilers, and one day it bites their child's face off, so I don't understand that.

00:56:57.000 We're going to skip this break, too.

00:57:01.000 Look, in the limited time we have here, I really don't want to make this a fight, and I don't want to get... Well, you're not acting like it, man.

00:57:08.000 I'm really offended that you're yelling at me because I'm just presenting ideas.

00:57:12.000 No, I was yelling excitedly here on air, and I want to try to go through some other areas of the film.

00:57:20.000 I want to try to go through some other facets, because I agree with you about how the monetary system's working, but are you saying that's basically any system that uses symbols to try to grease the skids of commerce?

00:57:32.000 No, what I'm saying is that you're using a system of exchange that's based on scarcity, and based on differential advantage.

00:57:39.000 Money is inherently a corrupt, behavior-producing element.

00:57:43.000 It can't be any other way, because it's scarce.

00:57:45.000 Just like everything in nature.

00:57:47.000 This is why animals behave the way they do in nature for food, and what have you.

00:57:50.000 You can't have a system of inherent scarcity and ever, ever expect people to behave in any so-called ethical way.

00:57:56.000 So what do you propose to replace money?

00:57:58.000 How is this metamorphosis?

00:57:59.000 This is exactly what we were talking about with the resource-based economy.

00:58:02.000 Money doesn't exist.

00:58:04.000 Money is not real.

00:58:04.000 It never has been.

00:58:06.000 Labor.

00:58:06.000 90% of the jobs people have today.

00:58:08.000 I'm talking about employment labor.

00:58:09.000 I'm not talking about human interest in working.

00:58:11.000 There's a big distinction there.

00:58:12.000 I think you've got that wrong in your argument.

00:58:14.000 So how does this start?

00:58:15.000 Where do we get the land?

00:58:16.000 Who gives it?

00:58:16.000 I mean, do you take somebody's land and give it to another group?

00:58:20.000 Of course not.

00:58:20.000 You're jumping way ahead.

00:58:21.000 You have to get the ideology down first.

00:58:24.000 And then the communication will begin on a vast scale.

00:58:26.000 But don't I need to know that if an ideology is going to work good and I'm going to sign on to it, I need to war game it out historically and try to look at it?

00:58:35.000 Or I just accept the ideology first and then hope it works?

00:58:38.000 No, you don't accept the ideology first and hope it works.

00:58:41.000 That's a faith-based ideology.

00:58:43.000 What you have is an intellectual analysis of the environmental conditions of the planet itself, and you begin to restructure society based on what we understand today.

00:58:51.000 How do we restructure society?

00:58:53.000 That isn't going to have a central... First of all, well, the first thing that I think the natural progression would be to build the first city.

00:59:01.000 As I said earlier, this is a technological development.

00:59:05.000 We have to recognize that everything we have is of the technology.

00:59:09.000 It's owed to human creativity.

00:59:10.000 It's owed that we can create things that relieve us of human labor.

00:59:13.000 I point out this tendency, this clash we have with the labor system and human employment, excuse me, labor system and automation, and this is extremely prevalent.

00:59:23.000 We used to have all factory jobs.

00:59:24.000 Now we have a service industry.

00:59:26.000 And service industry is slowly being phased out as well.

00:59:29.000 This isn't some plot of the New World Order.

00:59:31.000 This is a natural element of technology replacing human labor.

00:59:35.000 So rather than be fearful of this, we have to harness it.

00:59:38.000 We have to utilize technology for what its real gift is, and that's extensions of us to relieve us of different things that we do not want to do, or don't need to do, or are dangerous to do.

00:59:47.000 And that is a central philosophical point in this arrangement.

00:59:51.000 To build the first city would rely entirely on pure renewable energy.

00:59:56.000 Transportation that's completely clean.

00:59:58.000 You know, it would cost more money.

01:00:00.000 Hold on, here we go back to the full audience.

01:00:01.000 Explain it to people.

01:00:02.000 Here we go.

01:00:03.000 ...proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

01:00:06.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

01:00:09.000 We're talking with Peter Joseph, the creator of Zeitgeist.

01:00:13.000 And he's now made a dendum.

01:00:14.000 I would hope that some of the Zeitgeist viewers would check out my documentary films.

01:00:20.000 Because I know the society is engineered, it's stated, it is called the Scientific Dictatorship.

01:00:26.000 My film, Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement, details just a small part with specifics of what they're doing, how they understand human progression, how they want to face humans out of involvement with the machines, with the systems.

01:00:42.000 Whereas this could be an empowering thing, as Zeitgeist is talking about, and I actually agree with that in a lot of the film, They are using it as a way to say they don't need humans, and that we're overpopulated, and we're a scourge, and we've got to just be gotten rid of, and that's been widely discussed and is being pushed by the leading transhumanists, not the whole movement, and the eugenicists, the crypto-eugenicists, and others.

01:01:07.000 And I was asking the fellow we're talking to with his ideas, the Venus Project ideas, how we would start, and I actually agree, it would be a model system You know, a town, a city, an area, to be a demonstration of the future and what we can move into.

01:01:26.000 But then I would ask him the question, how do you stop the establishment from trying to move in and block its development, because they're trying to block anything that decentralizes power?

01:01:41.000 Yeah, that's a very good question.

01:01:42.000 That is not a simple answer.

01:01:44.000 Essentially, the establishment would do everything it could to stop any type of system that was self-preserving in its own way, self-sustaining, excuse me, because you can't get profit off of efficiency, sustainability, or abundance.

01:01:56.000 That's why our system right now, the free market as we call it, or monetary system, monetaryism as I coined, will never ever work because you can never have a world without war or poverty on a system that's based on differential advantage and scarcity.

01:02:09.000 The profit is made off of scarcity.

01:02:11.000 The limited number of things available makes it more profitable.

01:02:14.000 The old companies have been raping people all the past few years, or continuously since the 1970s, with this general tactic, and it's pervasive throughout the entire system.

01:02:23.000 So, naturally, the establishment will reject this, and I'm very aware of that.

01:02:27.000 That is why, at the end of Zeitgeist Addendum, I have a series of boycotts.

01:02:30.000 When the public begins to wake up to the reality of what's possible as a human species, away from all these ridiculous institutions that have no relevance to anything, Then, that's when the true awakening will occur.

01:02:43.000 People will try to distort the system, they will try to bomb it, do whatever, anything could happen, but it doesn't matter.

01:02:48.000 Because the system will prevail because it's based on something true.

01:02:51.000 Not money, not competition, but resources and creativity.

01:02:55.000 But that's what the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution said they were going to do in China.

01:03:00.000 Well, obviously it didn't work, and there's probably many good reasons for that, because China is a monetary system, too.

01:03:06.000 Look, that's why the world system has to change.

01:03:09.000 That's why the human values system has to begin to understand what's going on.

01:03:12.000 I'm not saying this is an easy thing to do.

01:03:15.000 What I'm saying is that this is the next step.

01:03:17.000 You have to have world unification intellectually to understand the planetary resources and what's capable of it.

01:03:22.000 But see, then people won't unify, so what do you do about them?

01:03:26.000 They're going to hold it back!

01:03:28.000 Well, then, they make that decision, and they sit in their world.

01:03:31.000 You can have a... Sadly enough, you know, there's no perfect scenario here.

01:03:35.000 Oh, there's no us against them?

01:03:37.000 No, there's no us against them.

01:03:38.000 If someone wants to do something else, they do it.

01:03:40.000 No one's eradicated, as you belligerently put in your October 8th. 0.98

01:03:43.000 This is a silly, silly notion. 0.97

01:03:45.000 There's nothing... No, I was repeating. 0.98

01:03:47.000 He was talking about classes, everything would be eradicated.

01:03:50.000 He was talking about the human values system adjusting and growing and adapting.

01:03:54.000 That's what he's talking about.

01:03:55.000 Hold on, let's play that clip. 0.81

01:03:57.000 Let me play that clip.

01:03:59.000 That's the clip we were playing last week, John, which sounds very similar to the H.G.

01:04:04.000 Wells stuff, but not the H.G.

01:04:06.000 Wells clip.

01:04:07.000 It was the clip number 10 is what it's called.

01:04:12.000 Go ahead and play that. 0.74

01:04:14.000 We're such an abominable, sick society that we won't make the history book. 0.79

01:04:19.000 They just say that large nations took land from smaller nations, used force and violence. 0.85

01:04:25.000 You'll get history talked about as corrupt behavior all the way along until the beginning of the civilized world.

01:04:32.000 That's when all the nations work together.

01:04:35.000 World unification, working toward common good for all human beings and without anyone being subservient to anyone else without social stratification whether it be technical elitism or any other kind of elitism eradicated from the face of the earth.

01:04:55.000 The state does nothing because there is no state.

01:04:59.000 There is no state.

01:05:02.000 Okay, I was saying I heard similar things from the Communists and the Fabian Socialists.

01:05:09.000 If you go back to your YouTube clip, you specifically project out to your audience that it's an eradication by guns to the head.

01:05:16.000 Don't even try to deny it, Alex.

01:05:18.000 No, no, what I'm saying is... No, no, no, what I said is... No, that's what I said.

01:05:22.000 I said over and over again in society, you know, we hear all these ideas, similar things.

01:05:27.000 I'm not saying it's the same.

01:05:29.000 I'm not saying there isn't a lot of value in what you're saying.

01:05:30.000 I'm saying what happens in the process of getting there generally turns out pretty bad.

01:05:38.000 Okay, well, that's an assumption that you assume, but it has absolutely no relevance to what he's talking about.

01:05:43.000 At the very end of this section, he's speaking idealistically.

01:05:46.000 He's talking about the needs in a broad scheme.

01:05:48.000 We are an incredibly sick society.

01:05:51.000 Our value system... Who's sick? 0.70

01:05:52.000 Like evil?

01:05:53.000 Like evil?

01:05:53.000 No, sick because we're misinformed.

01:05:56.000 We have turbulent value systems, we have distortions like religion, we have distortions like fashion, we have distortions like greed and competition that are pervasive and completely perilous.

01:06:05.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:06:07.000 You're listening.

01:06:08.000 That is what he's talking about.

01:06:09.000 Stop.

01:06:09.000 Let me finish my point.

01:06:10.000 I need to ask you a question.

01:06:11.000 Let me finish my point.

01:06:13.000 The point is, is that he's speaking idealistically.

01:06:15.000 World unification without a state.

01:06:16.000 What does that mean?

01:06:17.000 No one can even think about something like that.

01:06:19.000 It means that the state does not serve the function of any type of state we've ever known.

01:06:23.000 It's not a state of control.

01:06:26.000 Humans are based in a condition of Humans are deriving their products from a system that is self-generating and self-sustaining, and they contribute to society not because they want money in return, or power, or any of the nonsensical inventions that we've created.

01:06:42.000 They contribute to society because they understand that the more you give, the more you get.

01:06:46.000 Well, here's the problem.

01:06:49.000 Every time people try to have anarchy in groups of bigger than three or four people, always somebody becomes what we would call corrupt, or sick as you would call them, and starts dominating the others.

01:07:03.000 And so what I'm saying is, you're a good guy.

01:07:05.000 I believe you're a nice guy who means well.

01:07:08.000 Yes, of course we are.

01:07:08.000 working with you are and you know the experts you talk to i know we about the murder guys meanwhile they're very intelligent i'm saying that there is an oversimplification are you feeding in all the factors that you talk about yes of course we are we're not no one's ignorant to the current state of things by the way you know you're sitting there telling me i'm a good guy right And off the air, you come on, you tell me that I'm one of these intellectual elites that pisses his pants.

01:07:33.000 No, that was on air.

01:07:34.000 That was on air, bro.

01:07:35.000 Well, great.

01:07:36.000 We've been on air the whole time.

01:07:37.000 Wrong again.

01:07:39.000 That was on air.

01:07:40.000 We were yelling at each other, and you just said that I was yelling at you.

01:07:43.000 Stop, stop.

01:07:43.000 I'm trying to talk to you.

01:07:44.000 Put him on hold for just a minute.

01:07:46.000 Look, I gotta tell you something, man.

01:07:47.000 You come on here and you say, Like with some vitriol that I'm back as a $29.95 and I'm selling things and then you admit I'm forced to, you know, yourself.

01:07:56.000 Buddy, you're playing sad and spooky music on your stuff.

01:08:00.000 That could be seen as a form of deception much greater than saying $29.95.

01:08:04.000 I mean, if you want to take the gloves off, I can take them way off here.

01:08:08.000 Okay, I am trying to be nice here, and I understand you're in this view that you're so intellectual and so sweet and loving that you're just this higher pothead alien, and I'm this lower Neanderthal down here.

01:08:20.000 I understand all that. 0.51

01:08:20.000 You know, us Texans, I'm crapping in an outhouse out here every five minutes. 0.51

01:08:24.000 My point is, with you, is that I haven't been here trying to shoot you down or attack you, and I said on air about the pissing in the pants. 0.98

01:08:35.000 Okay, so go ahead. 0.93

01:08:36.000 Well, sure, fine.

01:08:37.000 Wrong again.

01:08:38.000 You're being extremely irrational with this because I haven't said anything to him.

01:08:44.000 No, I just said I think you're a nice guy and a smart guy and you came back with an aggressive thing.

01:08:49.000 You came back with a debate point.

01:08:51.000 I think you're a little bit two-faced on this and I want to make sure that's apparent that you understand that.

01:08:55.000 No, it was on air, pal.

01:08:56.000 Don't try to say it wasn't.

01:08:57.000 No, I'm not telling the people on air.

01:08:59.000 There's no two-face about it, buddy.

01:09:01.000 It's all straight up here.

01:09:03.000 Okay, well good.

01:09:04.000 I'm glad to hear that.

01:09:05.000 Hey, let me ask you a question.

01:09:06.000 Earlier in your film, I'm going to play the clip, you're talking disdainfully about religion and money and fashion and the family.

01:09:13.000 And he shows a family.

01:09:14.000 What about those?

01:09:15.000 Tell me about them.

01:09:18.000 Of course the family is a good thing.

01:09:19.000 well i mean you're mentioning all these you know i mean clearly in the context all these all these terrible outmoded things and i'll read all the social worker books how the families of disease and all this i'm asking was a few is a family a good thing or is it gonna go by my day course the family the good thing family the natural institution family is where people return to in this type of situation but they'll be a different association because the family will become the community in many ways

01:09:45.000 The extensionality that we feel, this thing we call love, is not restricted to your little group or your family.

01:09:50.000 But love is religious!

01:09:51.000 It doesn't exist either, just like evil doesn't exist!

01:09:54.000 Because if evil doesn't exist, good doesn't exist!

01:09:58.000 I never said evil doesn't exist.

01:09:59.000 It's a different terminology.

01:10:01.000 You use it in a religious context very frequently.

01:10:03.000 I am not!

01:10:04.000 Well, fine.

01:10:04.000 If you want to use the word evil, I'll just use the word bad as a synonym.

01:10:08.000 There is an element of alignment.

01:10:09.000 There are certain things that we consider to be socially offensive to the structure, and that's where crime and things come in.

01:10:14.000 So you call them bad, naturally.

01:10:16.000 However, a person engaged in that crime is a victim of their culture.

01:10:19.000 Therefore, they're doing what they have to do to survive, so it's good for them.

01:10:22.000 Therefore, it's all a matter of degree.

01:10:24.000 Coming back to the family, family is whatever the family wants to be.

01:10:28.000 There's no restrictions, there's no CPS in any type of society.

01:10:30.000 These are all amalgams of the corruption that we see, of this human loss, this intellectual disdain.

01:10:38.000 Well here's the deal, with six and a half million people, let's say you got your society, you're saying it's just going to be so good that nobody does these bad things or these sick things anymore.

01:10:51.000 Where does the word eradication come in then?

01:10:53.000 How does that happen?

01:10:54.000 Because the value system changes, and the tendencies are no longer there.

01:10:57.000 They used to feed Christians to lions in Rome.

01:10:59.000 You think they'd get away with that today?

01:11:00.000 No.

01:11:01.000 Well, they're getting back to it.

01:11:02.000 They're getting back to the gladiators.

01:11:03.000 The value systems are changing.

01:11:05.000 They have been through time.

01:11:06.000 The more sophisticated we become, the more we access technology, the more scarcity is reduced, the less aberrant behavior will happen.

01:11:12.000 I agree.

01:11:13.000 I mean, as the economy goes down, crime goes up.

01:11:15.000 I totally agree with you.

01:11:16.000 I agree with about 90% of what you guys are saying.

01:11:19.000 Well, then we have to take it further, then.

01:11:20.000 Once we realize we can create a society... For example, in this society, let's say you wanted to go to the grocery store.

01:11:24.000 Well, guess what?

01:11:25.000 You go in, you get what you need, and you leave.

01:11:28.000 That's it.

01:11:29.000 Why?

01:11:29.000 Why would no one steal?

01:11:31.000 Because there's no reason to.

01:11:32.000 They can't sell it.

01:11:32.000 Because there's no money.

01:11:34.000 There's no reason for differential advantage in a position where you can't actually engage in gaining something through abuse in society.

01:11:41.000 This is a core point in why money is such a horrible invention for control.

01:11:47.000 Money is the ultimate divide and conquer, Alex.

01:11:49.000 You're supposed to be privy to manipulation techniques.

01:11:53.000 The free enterprise system, all the monetary systems are pure... I am privy to music.

01:11:57.000 Here we go.

01:11:58.000 Hold on.

01:11:59.000 Let me explain how this is working here for you.

01:12:03.000 The internet audience is on PrisonPlanet.tv right now.

01:12:06.000 It is huge, hundreds of thousands listening on the web, and then millions over time on the web.

01:12:10.000 So we're skipping AM and FM breaks, shortwave breaks, satellite breaks, and so the audience is probably ten percent of what it was, but it is on the air, it is in the view of everyone.

01:12:21.000 All of this is, unless we just completely... I still don't appreciate your insult.

01:12:26.000 Well, I wasn't implying or apologizing for what I said.

01:12:30.000 I mean, I'm not... I was explaining, we're on air all the time.

01:12:34.000 I was just separately... I was separately... I was separately... Are you even aware you use debate techniques and lawyer tactics which are extremely dishonest just like your music?

01:12:44.000 Just like your sad music at certain points?

01:12:46.000 Why are you doing that with this corporate Madison Avenue manipulative music like in a drug commercial for Halcyon?

01:12:53.000 Why are you doing that like I am saying $29.95?

01:12:56.000 Why?

01:12:58.000 Why have you done that?

01:12:59.000 There's a very big difference because one is art and one is pure marketing And of course you can say there's a matter of degree between the two.

01:13:05.000 But I exchange things.

01:13:07.000 I want to make things interesting for people to relate.

01:13:09.000 Cop out!

01:13:10.000 They can use their own minds.

01:13:11.000 This is the nature of reality.

01:13:15.000 But when you put something on $29.95, it's just a general expressionality.

01:13:18.000 It's a very simple notion.

01:13:19.000 It's a marketing tactic.

01:13:20.000 My use of music is music that I like to use.

01:13:24.000 That's period.

01:13:24.000 Well, I like 2995!

01:13:25.000 Well, fine.

01:13:25.000 If you want to have an argument, fine.

01:13:29.000 But you're sitting there along with all the other people on Madison Avenue with the same thing.

01:13:32.000 My music is completely individual.

01:13:34.000 No, let me explain.

01:13:35.000 We use, with truthful information and truthful, good products of information, we use Madison Avenue tactics right back against them.

01:13:44.000 Fine, fine.

01:13:45.000 I mean, so do you, man!

01:13:46.000 I mean, hold on, hold on, let's talk about you!

01:13:48.000 I mean, don't you work in the whole culture of media?

01:13:51.000 I mean, don't you work in TV? 0.98

01:13:53.000 Yeah, I'm a whore just like everyone else in this system because I have to to survive, yeah. 0.99

01:13:57.000 Oh, good. 1.00

01:13:58.000 Well, I just wanted to make sure.

01:14:00.000 But I don't really think of it as a... Go ahead, man.

01:14:02.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:14:04.000 No, actually, for the first six, seven years of my shopping cart, we would say $20.

01:14:07.000 And then I went ahead and just on air said, I'm now to show you what Madison Avenue is doing.

01:14:13.000 I actually have been into that.

01:14:14.000 You know, have made the point a lot.

01:14:16.000 And a lot of times, even when I plug, well, I don't even really plug the videos anymore.

01:14:19.000 I never even really spend much time plugging them.

01:14:21.000 But I'm not in some guilt.

01:14:23.000 Hold on.

01:14:23.000 I'm not in some guilt.

01:14:24.000 If I paint an oil painting, I'm wanting to sell it, not because I worship a fancy car, but because I want a car that drives well and has a good titanium cage, and if I am in a wreck, my children won't be killed.

01:14:35.000 I do like, well actually I don't really like nice clothes.

01:14:39.000 I literally have like 50 blue and black t-shirts and blue jeans with holes in them because I like them.

01:14:45.000 But the point is, I'm not into baubles, trinkets, things like that.

01:14:51.000 But I'm not hating materialism.

01:14:53.000 It's just lower on my hierarchy.

01:14:55.000 I don't also go to the extreme of just saying basically anything materialistic is inherently bad.

01:15:01.000 I mean, I need to be able to own my own house.

01:15:03.000 I don't want a bunch of people in sandals, they're already here stealing farms and ranches everywhere, the phony environmentalists, and then they build giant sky rises on it and are all filthy rich with armed guards.

01:15:14.000 I also see the whole left thing of, oh, it belongs to everyone.

01:15:18.000 I just see that as very dangerous.

01:15:19.000 Another form of tyranny.

01:15:22.000 Well, I can see why you see that, based on what you've said, and I can understand that angle, but I think we should look beyond these points.

01:15:28.000 You see, ownership itself is based on the restriction of others.

01:15:32.000 I'm not saying that people shouldn't have a home, only they are allowed to go into it.

01:15:37.000 But this protectionist element that comes into play with ownership, property, it has extremely negative influences.

01:15:43.000 And this is one of the central points.

01:15:44.000 You can't have a system Where everything is hoarded by everyone else.

01:15:48.000 Yeah, but Peter, you know who I am.

01:15:50.000 When you called up saying, I officially want to sell this now, so I want to get rights to your film.

01:15:54.000 You know, other people called up threatening you.

01:15:56.000 I knew what you were doing.

01:15:56.000 I didn't call up and threaten, because I actually am not very territorial about ideas.

01:16:00.000 I want them out.

01:16:01.000 Hey man, I'm not saying that you are.

01:16:02.000 What I'm saying is, I really want to have an intellectual debate with you.

01:16:05.000 I respect you.

01:16:06.000 I think you're very talented.

01:16:07.000 We're back to the full audience right now.

01:16:08.000 Skull and bone, for us is home.

01:16:16.000 Okay, I got some other clips of Zeitgeist and Denim I want to play.

01:16:22.000 A lot of you will be checking it out.

01:16:23.000 Most of you have probably seen it.

01:16:25.000 I would challenge folks from the Zeitgeist crowd, which I respect and enjoy and think are great, but I also like to argue with people and I am competitive.

01:16:33.000 I can't help it.

01:16:34.000 I was conditioned that way and I think a little bit of it is the genetics.

01:16:40.000 I mean in a short segment for you to say whatever basically other points you want to make, then I want to play some clips and go through those with you in the next segment, sir.

01:16:49.000 Okay, well I can only continue to reiterate my central point, which I don't think has been fully absorbed, and I think everyone listening should seriously consider the reality that human conditioning is the central point.

01:17:01.000 Now I will jump to the fact that this society that we're talking about Can work, if people begin to understand what the central elements of it are, and how universal these elements are.

01:17:13.000 It's based on the carrying capacity of the Earth.

01:17:16.000 This is not some fantastic notion.

01:17:18.000 It's not something, it's not some utopia that someone invented.

01:17:21.000 It's not subjective.

01:17:22.000 We want to remove subjectivity and opinion.

01:17:26.000 From society to the extent where everything that's created systematically, every system that works in society is derived from a concrete foundation based on the available knowledge, the highest form of available knowledge and technology that we have today.

01:17:38.000 This will never occur in a profit system ever.

01:17:41.000 Because it's based on scarcity, and reduction, and inefficiency, planned obsolescence.

01:17:45.000 We are totally paralyzed.

01:17:47.000 People have no idea how free we could actually be if we allow the fruits of technology to flourish, and then the human value system will undergo incredible change.

01:17:54.000 Will it eradicate all types of aberrant behavior?

01:17:56.000 No.

01:17:57.000 Probably not.

01:17:57.000 At least not in any kind of quick time frame whatsoever.

01:18:01.000 However, the pattern and the path is extremely clear.

01:18:04.000 Prisons, police, we buy... These are horrific.

01:18:08.000 We think these are true institutions.

01:18:10.000 Someone does something, they want to throw them in prison.

01:18:12.000 This is the wrong thing.

01:18:13.000 We want to figure out why they did what they did and address the social conditions that create that environment.

01:18:18.000 Our entire society is completely backwards.

01:18:20.000 We can't function this way, and that is the central core of my thesis and what I want people to think about.

01:18:27.000 Human behavior is influenced to a very, very large extent.

01:18:31.000 And this human behavior is the source of the problem.

01:18:33.000 The New World Order will not change until you address the people that are at the very bottom and why they believe what they believe.

01:18:40.000 Oh, I agree.

01:18:41.000 I say every day a lot of the problems are, you know, it's all of us individually.

01:18:44.000 Look in the mirror if you want to know the bottom line problem.

01:18:48.000 And the bottom line solution.

01:18:49.000 Absolutely.

01:18:51.000 The battle is with yourself.

01:18:52.000 I mean, Alex, your whole website is called InfoWars, and I have to say, you know, I understand where you're coming from, because there is a battle going on, and it's important that people stand up for themselves, but this is not an end disposition.

01:19:04.000 There's a reason why peace protesters are met with guys in riot gear and automatic weapons, because they're waiting for something.

01:19:10.000 They want to perpetuate the war system. 0.86

01:19:12.000 They want the us-against-them mentality to flourish.

01:19:14.000 That's how they main control.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, the teams.

01:19:16.000 They use the sports teams and all those images to always balkanize us and divide us.

01:19:21.000 Where do you stand on the Second Amendment?

01:19:22.000 There's always going to be bad people that want to hurt good people.

01:19:25.000 Aren't I allowed to have guns?

01:19:27.000 It is not a matter of allowed to have guns.

01:19:29.000 Is it necessary?

01:19:30.000 And that's the thing I disagree with.

01:19:31.000 But who's going to decide if it's necessary?

01:19:32.000 Because I assure you... You know, if there's a need to manufacture a gun, it could happen.

01:19:37.000 However, you're missing the point.

01:19:40.000 You're trying to achieve a system that doesn't have stratification and control.

01:19:45.000 We live in such a stratified control mechanism.

01:19:48.000 There's elitism in every single... Who is going to enforce no one having guns, man?

01:19:53.000 There's no enforcement.

01:19:54.000 It's based on the understanding and education of what this planet is, who you actually are.

01:19:59.000 This is why I go after religion, because religion is the biggest, most offensive, stagnating element, systematic institution that there is.

01:20:08.000 You cannot have a whole group of people believing in something that stops their intellectual growth.

01:20:14.000 Does that mean they need to be eradicated?

01:20:15.000 Of course not.

01:20:16.000 They need to be educated. 1.00

01:20:17.000 Education in our society is completely irrelevant and idiotic. 1.00

01:20:20.000 You get an A if you're smart, so to speak, and an F if you fail. 0.99

01:20:23.000 That imposes immediate stratification and immediate competition.

01:20:26.000 The fact is, the educational system is a complete joke because They don't take into account the nature of each individual person.

01:20:34.000 True education is critical thought processes, not retaining information.

01:20:39.000 Well, I agree.

01:20:40.000 Learning how to think and learning the joys of it.

01:20:42.000 But wait a minute.

01:20:43.000 We've heard all of this stuff about getting rid of test scores, getting rid of that, and it's actually had disastrous effects where it's been tried.

01:20:49.000 I mean... Sure, but that's because people aren't prepared for it.

01:20:52.000 They're not ready for it.

01:20:53.000 And this is something that I want to reiterate again.

01:20:55.000 No one's ready for this.

01:20:56.000 If you took somebody right now and froze them alive, and you had them rethought out and rejuvenated a thousand years from now in, say, a resource-based economy, they would be completely obsolete.

01:21:08.000 They would not know what to do.

01:21:09.000 Their value systems would be, their conditioning would be absolutely obtuse.

01:21:13.000 They would, most likely, they wouldn't work.

01:21:15.000 In other words, they'd probably kill themselves or they'd do something extremely defensive, and then something would have to happen.

01:21:20.000 This is a value system issue.

01:21:22.000 What would have to happen?

01:21:23.000 Something would have to happen where the person would be reconditioned in some way.

01:21:27.000 That's the point.

01:21:28.000 Re-educated?

01:21:29.000 The point is the value systems are too different.

01:21:32.000 I've heard all this before.

01:21:34.000 That's the problem, Peter Joseph.

01:21:36.000 Peter, I've heard all this before.

01:21:37.000 What do you mean you've heard it all before?

01:21:39.000 I mean, I've heard all this stuff you're saying before, and let me tell you, it isn't pretty.

01:21:43.000 I mean, re-educated, reconditioned, oh boy.

01:21:47.000 Oh boy, look out, we're going to skip this break too on the internet.

01:21:52.000 Peter, again... I don't have an opinion on gun control because it's such a base disposition.

01:22:06.000 It's based on the assumption that you always have to fight and defend yourself, and that is what has to be elevated.

01:22:10.000 Well, I'm still dealing in the world I'm in.

01:22:12.000 I'm trying to people to think.

01:22:13.000 I want people to identify the system and learn the system and learn how they're being manipulated, and then they can In a true free society, make decisions through that and then better ideas, better systems will come to the fore and then become dominant if we didn't have this overarching crime syndicate and we were able to educate the public not to reform it.

01:22:33.000 Sure, yes.

01:22:34.000 In the interim, yes.

01:22:36.000 You have to have a protection element.

01:22:37.000 This is a system based on differential advantage.

01:22:40.000 You have to protect yourself.

01:22:41.000 That's what the system is.

01:22:42.000 And the government has more power.

01:22:43.000 The global corrupt corporations are arming themselves against us.

01:22:47.000 So in this paradigm I'm in, I need to be able to defend myself.

01:22:51.000 I never said that.

01:22:52.000 You didn't have to.

01:22:53.000 I didn't say you did.

01:22:53.000 I was saying what I thought.

01:22:55.000 Yes, of course.

01:22:56.000 Absolutely.

01:22:56.000 This is the distortion that we currently live in.

01:23:00.000 This system will continue to perpetuate itself until root causes are addressed.

01:23:04.000 Things like tasers.

01:23:05.000 You're sitting there battling these tiny little things, which is good.

01:23:08.000 I think it's great that you go after and you report and you expose all these little things.

01:23:12.000 We'll cover it all, though!

01:23:13.000 They're never, ever going to stop until we adjust the society itself to the environment that we live in.

01:23:19.000 Well, actually, we've called in Austin and San Antonio and Dallas to ban them, and now they're restricting them all over the country and restricting them.

01:23:25.000 The San Antonio police chief just said they're going to take a lot of them away and restrict their use, and so they're being curtailed.

01:23:31.000 Well, that's good, but I mean in general.

01:23:33.000 There's always going to be new things that are going to come out.

01:23:35.000 There's always going to be... Well, here's an example.

01:23:36.000 Bush said we couldn't protest eight years ago, seven years ago.

01:23:40.000 They lost a bunch of lawsuits.

01:23:41.000 We fought it.

01:23:42.000 Now they're backing off the free speech zones in a lot of areas.

01:23:44.000 Yes, sure.

01:23:45.000 So, as I said... But I'm not battling little things.

01:23:48.000 I mean, this is a four-hour radio show.

01:23:50.000 We're covering it all.

01:23:51.000 We bring a lot of... Yes, I'm saying that it's the larger scheme elements that we have to be concerned with.

01:23:56.000 We can continue to deal with this and resolve certain things, exposing 9-11.

01:24:00.000 I'm for all of this.

01:24:01.000 Well, you're not going to have the material for any type of society you're talking about, and I agree with a lot of it, without having a generally enlightened public.

01:24:09.000 And the mainstream media is not doing that, so I'm trying in my own little way.

01:24:15.000 Of course, and I'm agreeing with you, Alex.

01:24:18.000 The mainstream media is conditioning people to support the establishment.

01:24:22.000 Everyone's been brainwashed in this system from top to bottom to support the establishment, and that's what has to change.

01:24:29.000 The change has to begin initially inside, and then we have to adjust the environment to support that change.

01:24:34.000 Until that happens, my point is that it's just going to keep happening.

01:24:37.000 There's going to be something else in place.

01:24:38.000 There's going to be another free speech zone.

01:24:40.000 Well, I have some little two and three minute... Well, I agree.

01:24:42.000 The evil, the corrupt system continues to generate always more and more of the bad things we're talking about.

01:24:50.000 We're going back live right now.

01:24:52.000 We've only got about 27 minutes left.

01:24:54.000 And I've got some two and three minute clips I want to play and then have you comment on them.

01:24:58.000 I think there's four of them when we come back.

01:25:00.000 So let's try to play those and then tell folks about your website and how they can buy video here we go mississippi river she's a gold drive the interest is up and the stock market's down and you're only getting mugged if you go downtown this song is about being self-sufficient living on your own property I believe decentralization is the key

01:25:30.000 We need more Americans to move to the countryside, to become organic farmers, to create communities where they trade and barter together.

01:25:38.000 You know, not big, huge, expansive thoughts that I think are important, but also the little thoughts, the little things that lead in a journey to something better.

01:25:52.000 But now you can't because they're shutting down the farms and ranches under the phony environmental rules.

01:26:06.000 There aren't too many things these old boys can't do.

01:26:10.000 All right, we are back live with the creator of Zeitgeist, very talented TV editor and producer, Peter Joseph.

01:26:20.000 And working in the corrupt New World Order system, as we all work in it in some way or another, he decided to go out and put it out free on the internet, Zeitgeist, but I do think he should be supported, all alternative films should be.

01:26:31.000 I think you should, while we're still in this system, buy his DVD.

01:26:37.000 How, unless I'm committing a sin here, how do we buy your DVD, Zeitgeist and the Zeitgeist Addendum?

01:26:45.000 No, there's no sin committed.

01:26:47.000 You can get it for five bucks from ZeitgeistMovie.com.

01:26:49.000 I'm going to have the full disc downloadable in a torrent in high resolution, full resolution within a day or two, so you can get the whole thing downloaded and burn it yourself.

01:26:59.000 Okay, fantastic.

01:26:59.000 Let me start getting into these clips, or we'll run out of time.

01:27:02.000 And I want to have you back again, if you'd grace us, to take phone calls in the next month or so.

01:27:08.000 And overall, this will be positive, because it's been an enlightening discussion, and I said mean things.

01:27:12.000 I didn't mean them to be taken meanly.

01:27:14.000 I'm just aggressive, conditioned, warmock. 0.65

01:27:17.000 Let's go ahead and...

01:27:19.000 But I'm a good guy, so it's good that I'm more like fighting the evil, isn't it?

01:27:22.000 If we were all passive, we'd be defeated.

01:27:25.000 But I guess, again, that's my condition.

01:27:27.000 I thought it was my genetics, but I think it's both.

01:27:30.000 Let's play a clip from near the first of Zeitgeist to Denim.

01:27:32.000 That's Zeitgeist 2, I guess, for lack of a better word.

01:27:35.000 And this is on money and some other issues, like the family.

01:27:40.000 Here it is.

01:27:43.000 In a world where 1% of the population owns 40% of the planet's wealth, In a world where 34,000 children die every single day from poverty and preventable diseases, and where 50% of the world's population lives on less than $2 a day, one thing is clear.

01:28:03.000 Something is very wrong.

01:28:06.000 And whether we are aware of it or not, the lifeblood of all of our established institutions, and thus society itself, is money.

01:28:15.000 Therefore, understanding this institution of monetary policy is critical to understanding why our lives are the way they are.

01:28:23.000 Unfortunately, economics is often viewed with confusion and boredom.

01:28:27.000 Endless streams of financial jargon coupled with intimidating mathematics quickly deters people from attempts at understanding it.

01:28:35.000 However, the fact is, the complexity associated with the financial system is a mere mask.

01:28:41.000 Okay, that's enough.

01:28:41.000 to conceal one of the most socially paralyzing structures humanity has ever endured.

01:28:47.000 A number of years ago, the Central Bank of the United States, the Federal Reserve, produced a document entitled Modern Money Mechanics.

01:28:58.000 This publication detailed the institutionalized practice of money creation.

01:29:02.000 Okay, that's enough.

01:29:03.000 I mean, that's invaluable information, and he goes through the facts.

01:29:07.000 But to say that these private cartels that sit above the entire world economy, that this fraud is free market...

01:29:16.000 Free market is, I raise a bunch of pigs and go and trade them for a bunch of corn to feed more of my pigs.

01:29:21.000 Or I'm a gunsmith and I fix somebody's rifle for them and they give me a little gold piece or a silver piece.

01:29:28.000 So I just think that compared to all the other systems man has tried to create, I don't think it's fair to call this a free market.

01:29:35.000 What we have is Private central banking families coming in, getting control of government, and then using that as an engine to expand their control through empire, and it's a totally unfair system.

01:29:48.000 So, I mean, they are the only ones that can create the symbols that are seen as wealth, and it's a complete fraud.

01:29:53.000 But, I mean, what's wrong with having a government-issued currency that is controlled, and that can be expanded or contracted, but having public education debate about it, so that we can grease the skids of interaction, commerce?

01:30:07.000 Well, sure.

01:30:08.000 I would say that the corruption, of course, is extremely prevalent, but the difference between what I would argue and what you would argue is probably the fact that the corruption you're seeing now is, in fact, created by the system itself.

01:30:20.000 It's simply a matter of time, because the entire monetary system is based on differential advantage.

01:30:25.000 See, in the early, early, early days, where you actually bartered for something else, there's less likely to be corruption now.

01:30:34.000 Insider trading, you know, the general manipulation, planned obsolescence.

01:30:38.000 This is a different world with strategies for profit that do not give a damn about human Humans at all.

01:30:46.000 The human value is second to monetary gain rampantly.

01:30:49.000 You can see this everywhere.

01:30:50.000 But how do we even get the public to recognize the Federal Reserve is private and is a fraud?

01:30:54.000 Well, through great films like yours and the Money Masters that we have available, by the way, at Infowars.com.

01:31:00.000 Three-hour film on the subject to really get deep into it.

01:31:03.000 I mean, I mean... Of course, that's why I have it in there.

01:31:07.000 My point, though, is that you have to look at the psychological ramifications of the monetary system.

01:31:11.000 You can't.

01:31:11.000 You can't have the system.

01:31:12.000 It's not going to work.

01:31:13.000 The corruption you see, like, for example, Ed Griffin put out this extremely projected review of my film.

01:31:18.000 He states outright that the free enterprise system is great if it was allowed to work.

01:31:22.000 Well, there's no such thing as the free enterprise system.

01:31:25.000 It never existed.

01:31:25.000 It's never going to exist.

01:31:27.000 We have different stratifications.

01:31:29.000 But when we see it partially existing, or in its pure form, it does create the greatest amount of goods and services and homes and food and medicine for the citizenry.

01:31:39.000 Actually, no.

01:31:40.000 No, actually, resource management and technology creates those things, along with human ingenuity.

01:31:44.000 Oh, really?

01:31:44.000 Cuba's had resource management?

01:31:47.000 Yeah, Cuba's gone, more of any Soviet or Communist state.

01:31:52.000 They still have money, they still have the same type of labor system the rest of the world has.

01:31:57.000 This corruption is just, the cartels and everything is a matter of time.

01:32:00.000 Monopoly is a matter of time in this system.

01:32:03.000 This is age old, it's been talked about.

01:32:05.000 forever and ever people think about it much anymore but it's just a matter of time before what i heard about the world government is world monopoly you're gonna have things in a walmart is a natural culmination so people are thinking walmart is some kind of you know infringing thing that goes into a small town and her fellow is the more extreme expression of the parasite well let's say it's not free market It's using slave goods in select government deals to come in and displace the free market.

01:32:05.000 Sure.

01:32:33.000 And so the public became decadent and corrupt and wanted the cheap goods, so they bought into the slavery.

01:32:39.000 So really, Walmart is slavery.

01:32:41.000 Just like prisons are slavery.

01:32:44.000 All labor systems are slavery.

01:32:45.000 Just because... How many American corporations do you think are free market?

01:32:48.000 How many of them outsource to other companies?

01:32:50.000 They're not slavery if people get shares in it, if people get stock.

01:32:54.000 It's known that it can be trusted.

01:32:54.000 It's through the brand name.

01:32:56.000 Let's play clip 2.

01:32:57.000 This is clip 2.

01:32:58.000 Here it is from Zeitgeist.

01:33:00.000 And so if a man makes money selling a certain product, naturally he's going to fight the existence of another product that may threaten his institution.

01:33:12.000 Therefore, people cannot be fair.

01:33:15.000 And people do not trust each other.

01:33:17.000 A guy will come over to you and say, I got just the house you're looking for.

01:33:21.000 He's a salesman.

01:33:22.000 When a doctor says, I think your kidney has to come out, I don't know if he's trying to pay off a yacht.

01:33:29.000 Or that my kidney has to come out.

01:33:31.000 It's hard in a monetary system to trust people.

01:33:34.000 Alright, stop there for a second.

01:33:35.000 That's human corruption.

01:33:37.000 That is people who only care about themselves.

01:33:40.000 It's an inner thing, and that's why, because you can't trust that, and never will be able to, you need to not be so lazy, folks, and go off references or reviews from reviewers you trust for a movie, or for a car, or for a website, or for a film.

01:33:54.000 You know, it takes not being intellectually, individually lazy, and we've been seduced by Madison Avenue into this, but to then just say that, well, finish the clip and we'll go back and get our guest comment on it, the maker's comments.

01:34:07.000 People, if you came into my store and I said, this lamp that I've got is pretty good, but the lamp of the next door is much better, I wouldn't be in business very long.

01:34:17.000 It wouldn't work.

01:34:18.000 If I were ethical, it wouldn't work.

01:34:21.000 So when you say industry cares for people, that's not true.

01:34:26.000 They can't afford to be ethical.

01:34:29.000 So, your system is not designed to serve the well-being of people.

01:34:33.000 If you still don't understand that, there would be no outsourcing of jobs.

01:34:39.000 If they cared about people.

01:34:40.000 Okay, let's stop there.

01:34:41.000 We had the U.S.

01:34:42.000 government and the Chinese government 30 years ago make a deal to selectively allow them to have select cadres of corporations make goods, sell poisonous food, do all of it, and the public was brainwashed to basically accept it. 0.63

01:34:55.000 But take Ted Anderson who owns Minus Resources and sells gold and silver.

01:34:59.000 He told me the other day, he said, yeah, a guy called up, this is off-air stuff, I don't know much to be saying it, and wanted to buy maple leaves from me.

01:35:09.000 And Ted said, listen, I didn't get a very good deal on these.

01:35:12.000 You really ought to just buy some silver.

01:35:16.000 And I've got a guy that got some silver, and he just gave the guy the number to call it.

01:35:22.000 And the guy was so happy that he got such a good deal, he called back and bought a bunch more gold of a different type.

01:35:28.000 And then Ted, because he gives business to other brokers he knows just being nice, Ted then, when nobody else can get gold and silver, these big brokers are selling to him because they, and that's not a good old boy network.

01:35:41.000 That's guys, that's Ted wants a good name.

01:35:44.000 Ted wants to be trusted.

01:35:46.000 And he is now, so he's doing very well.

01:35:49.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:35:50.000 Yeah, of course.

01:35:51.000 Well, that's, of course, going to occur.

01:35:53.000 There's not every single instance is going to be people looking for their self-preservation at that particular moment.

01:35:58.000 However, if Ted was pushed into a corner with elaborate competition for another company that was very, very competitive against his pricing structure, you would see him behave very, very differently.

01:36:07.000 If his livelihood is put in jeopardy, He is going to manipulate his environment to get what he needs.

01:36:11.000 Nope.

01:36:11.000 Ted almost went out of business five years ago and he still, you know, did it all the right way and came through it and did better than ever.

01:36:20.000 And I think it's that acquiescence that we're just these, you know, these people programmed by society.

01:36:25.000 I mean, there are good businesses.

01:36:27.000 There are good people.

01:36:28.000 Sure.

01:36:28.000 But there are people you can trust.

01:36:31.000 It's all based on manipulation and advantage and it's based on Humans taking advantage and chiseling off of one another. 1.00

01:36:37.000 That's what humans do! 0.92

01:36:39.000 Bad people do that!

01:36:40.000 Good people have to fight them!

01:36:42.000 That's what the system creates.

01:36:45.000 That's what we are!

01:36:46.000 Listen, humans made this system! 0.82

01:36:49.000 This is what we do!

01:36:51.000 Now, this is a product of evolution.

01:36:53.000 It's a product of... We've freed up that market system.

01:36:55.000 It had its corruptions at the very beginning, and it worked for a certain degree.

01:36:59.000 Now it's time to move forward.

01:37:00.000 Well, let me ask you this.

01:37:01.000 Let me ask you this.

01:37:02.000 We need to work on resource management.

01:37:04.000 Work with the resources, not the middle elements of money and labor.

01:37:08.000 I agree with you on that, but before we run out of time, here's an example.

01:37:11.000 You know we only see a limited part of the light spectrum.

01:37:14.000 The science has shown all these other dimensions.

01:37:16.000 Who knows what lives on other planets?

01:37:18.000 I mean, the point is we have very limited views.

01:37:22.000 What we know today would be total magic a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago.

01:37:26.000 I mean, how can you just say... I mean, certainly religions build a box around it and create priests and get power from it, but I mean, you know, other experiences, you know, the mind within, the soul.

01:37:37.000 You don't believe we have a soul.

01:37:39.000 How do you know there isn't more?

01:37:40.000 based on a traditional definition. - But how do you know there isn't more?

01:37:44.000 I mean, how do you know? - Well, you can't, if someone, if you find a whole group of people dancing around a tree, they call it a boo-boo tree, and they sit there and say that this tree has all the power that controls everything, I can't disprove that.

01:37:55.000 I can't disprove it.

01:37:56.000 However, I hold it as extremely improper.

01:37:59.000 I'm saying it's a human idea that is central to who we are, and that religion, alchemy, is what developed the sciences, and it's humans knowing there's more, humans pushing the envelope, reaching out into other dimensions.

01:38:16.000 And then it manifests through ridiculous boo-boo trees.

01:38:21.000 But I mean, just to disdainfully... I mean, there's all sorts of good things that come out of religion. 0.94

01:38:26.000 You know, slavery, you could argue, transatlantic, was started by people misinterpreting the Bible, but then it was people interpreting the Bible who then got slavery banned.

01:38:35.000 Yes, so what?

01:38:36.000 I'm talking about religion as an institution.

01:38:38.000 This is an arbitrary institution.

01:38:40.000 It's pushed upon you, I guarantee you, that your million dollars, your parents were Christian.

01:38:44.000 You know, this is an environmental distinction.

01:38:46.000 If you were born, again, you say religion is Christ and everything is very important to you, well, guess what?

01:38:50.000 You're born in the Middle East, you have a totally different value system, probably have no relationship to Christ. 1.00

01:38:55.000 The Middle East is about 25% Christian, actually.

01:38:57.000 Well, you know what I'm saying.

01:38:58.000 If you were born in an Arabic family, dominant religion of the area.

01:39:02.000 This is the reality.

01:39:04.000 But let me say this, that's actually, in a way, it's a healthy firewall, because there's new ideas, which are normally old as well, nothing going to the sun, repackaged, which are damaging to the family.

01:39:15.000 I think the Arabs saying, we hate your television and your corruptness and your destruction, and obviously they suppress women in their own way, and men as well. 0.99

01:39:22.000 But, you know, we don't want to turn our girls into little whores. 1.00

01:39:25.000 We don't want to use your drugs. 1.00

01:39:26.000 We see your TV and we call that the great Satan.

01:39:29.000 I mean, in a way, that has allowed them to keep themselves from being dominated by the West.

01:39:34.000 These cultural things we have also have a defensive measure.

01:39:38.000 I'm not saying it's overall positive.

01:39:40.000 I'm saying it has that element.

01:39:41.000 It's there in development.

01:39:43.000 I totally agree.

01:39:45.000 I happen to personally believe in many of the things that the Christ character has stated.

01:39:49.000 I mean, what kind of competition did Christ have?

01:39:49.000 But you know what?

01:39:52.000 Do you think Christ had guns if he had the option?

01:39:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:39:58.000 But still, you know, if you really look at his teaching, this is a hybrid character.

01:40:01.000 There's numerous nuances that are going on here that are in dichotomy.

01:40:04.000 Are you saying he didn't even exist, even though the Roman historians and the Jewish historians?

01:40:10.000 There are many more Roman historians that have no record of him than there are that say he actually existed.

01:40:15.000 There's maybe four.

01:40:16.000 Well, you did change some stuff in your first edition.

01:40:17.000 You did get a few of those gods and things wrong.

01:40:18.000 already gone through it a thousand times on the website you did change some stuff in your first edition your first one you did get a few of those dodging things wrong and you're not infallible either Of course not.

01:40:29.000 I never said I was.

01:40:30.000 I do my research as best as I can, and I present what I learn, and this is how we grow as a society.

01:40:35.000 And religion itself rejects this type of education.

01:40:38.000 Well, here's the deal.

01:40:39.000 Christians see this New World Order system attacking their religion, and let me tell you, whether you believe it or not, the New World Order, by and large, are Satanists. 0.68

01:40:46.000 I mean, they worship death and destruction and me, me, me, me, me, which is the Madison Avenue God. 0.97

01:40:51.000 I mean, certainly, you're not ignorant.

01:40:53.000 You know that there is an occult empire.

01:40:56.000 I'm well aware of it, but I don't recognize it with any type of interest because it's no different than anything else.

01:41:01.000 Of course you're going to have these divisionary aspects.

01:41:03.000 I know about the bohemian grove.

01:41:04.000 I'm very familiar with all of this.

01:41:05.000 I know about the occult orders that existed for a long time.

01:41:07.000 They're just a bunch of little clubs jockeying for their own ideological and personal power.

01:41:13.000 It's an age-old type of thing, but they are all a product of their conditioning.

01:41:16.000 I'm going to keep reiterating this, and I want everybody out there to go to TheVenusProject.com, to go to TheZeitgeistMovement.com, and to think about these ideas, and to realize that of all the things we've talked about, Alex and I, the most important is to realize why people behave the way they do.

01:41:29.000 And I argue that it is not genetics, it is behaviorism based on conditioning.

01:41:33.000 And that is the most important element.

01:41:36.000 Well, I think that's definitely half of it.

01:41:38.000 We're going to take a break here.

01:41:40.000 Let's go ahead and start playing clip number three.

01:41:43.000 War, poverty, corruption, hunger, misery, human suffering will not change in a monetary system.

01:41:50.000 That is, there'll be very little significant change.

01:41:54.000 It's going to take the redesign of our culture, our values, and it has to be related.

01:42:00.000 To the carrying capacity of the Earth, not some human opinion or some politics.

01:42:06.000 Stop there, we'll play the rest after the break.

01:42:07.000 Let me ask you this question.

01:42:09.000 Who does the redesign and who decides the carrying capacity of the Earth?

01:42:13.000 Because the New World Order is going to use a false environmental carrying capacity to tax breathing everything. 0.67

01:42:18.000 I mean, you're talking hardcore tyranny.

01:42:20.000 Well, I'm not interested in the New World Order.

01:42:22.000 They have no position in this type of structure.

01:42:25.000 You can always say there's going to be people who try to mess things up.

01:42:27.000 As I said before, the carrying capacity of the Earth is just that.

01:42:31.000 The carrying capacity of the Earth.

01:42:32.000 Oh, really?

01:42:32.000 How do you assess that?

01:42:33.000 How do you assess that?

01:42:34.000 If you look at the gauge, you look at everything that the planet has.

01:42:36.000 You look at the systems that are in operation, just like you would a plot of land to figure out what's capable.

01:42:39.000 Do you believe in global warming?

01:42:41.000 Do you believe global warming is man-made and bad?

01:42:43.000 I have no opinion on global warming.

01:42:45.000 I've never seen evidence definitively on any of this stuff. 0.99

01:42:47.000 It's total crap. 0.99

01:42:48.000 They use it for their own advantage. 1.00

01:42:50.000 I don't appreciate that.

01:42:51.000 The UN, it's a big joke with these guys.

01:42:54.000 That's irrelevant to this conversation.

01:42:56.000 What I'm talking about is the system... We're skipping this break.

01:42:59.000 Start over.

01:42:59.000 Stay there.

01:43:00.000 Go ahead.

01:43:01.000 We're now just on the web.

01:43:02.000 Go ahead.

01:43:04.000 The parameters of the system are self-evident, and this is something that people have to learn about through Jacques' research to understand what he's talking about, because it's extremely foreign to what most people tend to understand and be conditioned to believe.

01:43:14.000 We have the ability to harness a structure that is universal and nearly universal based on our understanding, and everything else will culminate because of this.

01:43:22.000 We live in such a distorted society that these opinions and these biases and these religions and these ideologies are so pervasive that no one has any idea what to believe.

01:43:32.000 The fact is, you break it all down, we need food, we need air, we need water, we need the resources of the planet.

01:43:37.000 Simultaneously, we need to realize that technology is our savior and always has been.

01:43:41.000 We just don't give it that name, we don't recognize it as such.

01:43:44.000 As Carl Sagan used to say, we love the gifts of technology, but we reject its methods.

01:43:49.000 And it's time we utilize the methods and have a world based on what we understand, not superstitions and projections and age-old traditions that are no longer needed or outmoded and irrelevant.

01:44:00.000 The decision-making process, again, I can't go into the exact details because it's a bottom-up capacity type thing.

01:44:06.000 You relate to it, you build upon it, the conditions become self-evident, and that's what you need to understand.

01:44:11.000 If you've ever researched the scientific method, you'll see that when you build something, all the conditions become apparent as you work.

01:44:19.000 And this is the most important point.

01:44:20.000 It's an empirical understanding based on the natural carrying capacity of the Earth.

01:44:25.000 Yeah, it's just humans want to differentiate.

01:44:27.000 Humans want to be individual.

01:44:30.000 And that's not an evil thing.

01:44:33.000 Well, I mean, can you imagine?

01:44:36.000 Saying that you're going to build this world when humans do the same thing over and over again instead of acknowledging that we do have faults and do have problems and trying to teach people to stand up for themselves and go after corrupt systems.

01:44:51.000 I'm just trying to have us survive and do that first and then I always hear the establishment talking about You know, pie in the sky.

01:44:59.000 I mean, so much of what you said we heard from the New World Order engineers, and they've built a top-down scientific society.

01:45:06.000 They've used the scientific method.

01:45:08.000 You and your guest in the film, your presenters, I mean, they keep saying over and over again, the elite know nothing.

01:45:13.000 They understand nothing.

01:45:15.000 They don't see it.

01:45:17.000 There's a bunch of clips where, are you saying in the film it's not said that these politicians can't have solutions because they don't understand the system?

01:45:25.000 We're speaking about politicians themselves.

01:45:27.000 The elite, look, they call it a scientific dictatorship.

01:45:30.000 They say we're cold-bloodedly, scientifically, setting up a hyper-dominant system over the population of the planet.

01:45:37.000 I mean, they are saying that they are, I know, I'm saying that your information is going to go out and it's going to be latched onto, this happens to me as well, I'm just saying, and then spun off into a horrid hybrid.

01:45:50.000 No, well, this is one of those things that you have to defend against to a certain extent when you're dealing with misinformation and ideologies that are misinterpreted.

01:45:58.000 You know, to talk about this is really futile.

01:46:01.000 It's good to recognize it, but this system has a universal implication.

01:46:05.000 It's a natural progression.

01:46:07.000 Final, final segment.

01:46:08.000 Here we go.

01:46:09.000 Final segment.

01:46:12.000 You're saying it's a natural progression for this system to fall apart, to destroy, then to be rebuilt, and then you're saying the system you're talking about, are you saying that's a natural progression to move into this resource-based system?

01:46:28.000 Yes, absolutely, because we've finally realized with our technological understanding that resources can be utilized in a way that does not require scarcity.

01:46:36.000 We can have a world of abundance I mean, in abundance.

01:46:39.000 I don't have time to break it down right now, obviously, but you have to realize the multiplicity of the things... No, I understand it.

01:46:44.000 The New World Order knows we can have that, and they're setting up a world, they say it, they're setting up a world tyranny to block us from developing that.

01:46:56.000 I'm not talking about fighting the New World Order.

01:46:58.000 I'm talking about true... Are you saying that they don't know because over and over again in the film it's said that they don't understand, they don't know.

01:47:04.000 No, they do know that this is possible and their New World Order will take on many of the things you're saying but only to get their dominance in to block things that empower the individual in the community.

01:47:16.000 We're fine, but nevertheless, their tool is money.

01:47:19.000 If you want to see the New World Order stop, you've got to get rid of money.

01:47:22.000 They're not going to have anything else at that point.

01:47:24.000 They're such a small elite, they can't even compare to the power of a group identification with the new social system.

01:47:31.000 They have nothing.

01:47:32.000 The next thing that we have to go after are the military and the police.

01:47:34.000 Get them converted, because without them, the New World Order can't do anything. 0.83

01:47:37.000 Have you seen the H.G.

01:47:38.000 Wells film?

01:47:39.000 Have you seen the H.G.

01:47:40.000 Wells film, Things to Come?

01:47:42.000 Uh, not many years.

01:47:43.000 Well, I mean, it's a lot of what you're saying.

01:47:45.000 Let's go ahead and play a clip from that.

01:47:46.000 Well, big sigh there, don't it?

01:47:50.000 Let's play that H.G.

01:47:51.000 Wells clip.

01:47:51.000 Things to come, John.

01:47:52.000 Do you have it?

01:47:53.000 Who are all of the left of the old engineers and mechanics have pledged ourselves to salvage the world.

01:47:58.000 We have the airways, all that's left of them.

01:48:00.000 We have the seas.

01:48:01.000 And we have ideas in common.

01:48:03.000 The brotherhood of efficiency.

01:48:05.000 The freemasonry of science.

01:48:06.000 This is how I conceive our plan of operations.

01:48:09.000 First, the roundup of brigands.

01:48:11.000 At last, dismal vestige of ancient predatory soldiers.

01:48:15.000 The last would-be conquerors.

01:48:18.000 Then settle.

01:48:20.000 Organize.

01:48:21.000 Advance.

01:48:22.000 This zone, then that.

01:48:24.000 And at last, wings over the world.

01:48:27.000 And a new world begins.

01:48:28.000 And then the film goes on.

01:48:30.000 They go and round up all the evil capitalists.

01:48:32.000 But you're saying that's not what you're saying.

01:48:34.000 Well, obviously not, Alex.

01:48:37.000 That has no relevance to anything that I've said, and if you look at the research that we've done, that the Venus Project is about, there's no relevance to that whatsoever.

01:48:44.000 There's absolutely no opposition to anything.

01:48:47.000 There is a train of thought that is given in education to people, and they can take it or leave it.

01:48:52.000 And I'm of the mind, I think, once people recognize this direction, the New World Order, the elitists, the globalists, will not only not have a chance, They will falter and join, and they won't do so because of their own, you know, their own need to try to corrupt the system.

01:49:05.000 People are people.

01:49:06.000 People are parts of conditioning, and they want to see themselves live in a capacity which is beneficial to them at their very core.

01:49:12.000 If they've been conditioned to pure corruption, Well, I agree to that.

01:49:18.000 I mean, I agree with you to a great extent with what you're saying about that, and that if we build it, they will come.

01:49:23.000 You know, that if people see an alternative throughout the system, they will join it.

01:49:27.000 I'm just saying, you're going to find human nature, whatever its cause is, always there.

01:49:32.000 And anybody that tries to override that, that would just create a new tyranny to try to stop it.

01:49:37.000 But overall, I think what you're doing gets people thinking, And that's an important thing, so Peter Joseph, fire out your websites again.

01:49:46.000 There's zeitgeistmovie.com, that's the central site for Zeitgeist Project.

01:49:51.000 There's the zeitgeistmovement.com, which we have about 30,000 people joining in about four days, which has been very productive.

01:49:57.000 And you're going to have the Z Movement too, Z Day. 0.98

01:50:00.000 Absolutely.

01:50:01.000 And then there's the Venus Project.

01:50:02.000 The Z Force is here! 1.00

01:50:05.000 We are here to save you.

01:50:06.000 We are here.

01:50:07.000 We are here to free you.

01:50:09.000 We are here to re-educate you.

01:50:12.000 We'll see what happens with it.

01:50:13.000 Hey, I know you mean well and you're a great guy.

01:50:15.000 We appreciate you coming on, Peter.

01:50:17.000 Please don't come get me on Z-Day.

01:50:19.000 Please!

01:50:20.000 Please, no!

01:50:21.000 Not that!

01:50:21.000 Not re-education!

01:50:22.000 Not that!

01:50:23.000 No!

01:50:23.000 Hey, take care, bro.

01:50:24.000 Alright, man.

01:50:25.000 Take care.

01:50:25.000 We'll see ya.

01:50:27.000 They will be re-educated.

01:50:28.000 Folks, see Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement.

01:50:30.000 There already is a scientific system.

01:50:32.000 It's a scientific dictatorship.

01:50:34.000 Retransmission starts right now.

01:50:36.000 OnePlaceInfoWars.com with power-packed info.

Alex Jones Show - October 15, 2008

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