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00:00:06.000 I do want to make one point to the last caller.

00:00:09.000 Hopefully he is still listening in before we go to Ray McGovern.

00:00:13.000 Just because somebody's African-American does not mean that they can't be part of this globalist system, a part of this, quote-unquote, New World Order.

00:00:21.000 Let me read you something off the Harvard University website, the Gazette News, from September 27, 2001.

00:00:29.000 Now this is basically two and a half weeks after 9-11 because you did just mention people like Martin Luther King Jr., a great man.

00:00:37.000 But then you mentioned people like Al Sharpton and other people who were under suspicion.

00:00:41.000 and And, uh, of just being corrupt.

00:00:44.000 I mean, not necessarily being part of any globalist organization, but very corruptible.

00:00:49.000 Alright, this is what Jesse Jackson had to say in front of Harvard University two and a half weeks after 9-11.

00:00:55.000 It is easy to handle triumph.

00:00:57.000 Can we handle trouble or disaster, said Jackson.

00:01:01.000 Let us rise together for hope, healing, and a vision for the new world order.

00:01:06.000 And he uses this term all the time.

00:01:07.000 He's not the only guy.

00:01:09.000 So, I just wanted to bring that up to Jamil, look into it.

00:01:12.000 Like I said, I'm voting for an African American candidate for president on November 4th.

00:01:16.000 One week from today, I will be voting for Cynthia McKinney. 0.82

00:01:21.000 The Green Party candidate for president.

00:01:23.000 I encourage people not to waste their vote and vote third party.

00:01:27.000 I disagree with Tarpley.

00:01:29.000 I don't think getting McCain into office is probable or possible unless, you know, the elitists really want that and they rig the voting machines to do so.

00:01:37.000 All right, without further ado, we're going to bring on Ray McGovern, the 26-year CIA analyst.

00:01:43.000 He debriefed people like Dick Cheney and others.

00:01:46.000 In the eighties, his latest editorial, is attack on Iran off the table, and he really goes after the Washington Post for really putting a downswing on it, like it's a bad thing that the attack on Iran may be off the table both here and in Israel.

00:02:00.000 Thanks for joining us, Ray.

00:02:02.000 You're welcome, Jason.

00:02:03.000 Glad to be with you.

00:02:05.000 Now, Ray, before we get into this editorial, election day is a week away.

00:02:10.000 I interviewed you a little over two years ago, right in the run up to the 2006 election, And we talked about the Democratic Congress getting in and possibly emboldening them.

00:02:21.000 Two years later, we're not out of Iraq.

00:02:23.000 I mean, obviously there are Democrats that I want to see in.

00:02:26.000 I'd love to see Cindy Sheehan take Pelosi's seat. 1.00

00:02:28.000 Oh, man, that would be a huge triumph.

00:02:31.000 But give me your take on the election right now.

00:02:35.000 Well, if I take five steps back, Jason, I say to myself, wow, I thought it was going to be a choice between a McCain type person and Mrs. Clinton.

00:02:53.000 That would have been a real, real problem for me.

00:02:56.000 I never thought that I would have a candidate running who has said sensible things about Iraq.

00:03:04.000 I had said less than sensible things about other things, but certainly, in my view, you have to look at what the alternative is, and I noted your advice to people in your own decision to support my good friend, Cynthia.

00:03:25.000 However, I would ask people to reflect on what that could mean, because that happened once before.

00:03:31.000 Lots of people supported it.

00:03:34.000 candidate, and we got George W. Bush.

00:03:37.000 So think hard about that before you waste your vote.

00:03:40.000 And you're obviously talking about Ralph Nader, who was run in the previous two elections and also in this one, correct?

00:03:46.000 For whom I also have great respect.

00:03:50.000 It's just that the reality is such that they're very troublesome things and they intrude, and I just still can't get over it.

00:03:57.000 But I think my problem with Barack, though, is this.

00:04:00.000 He does talk about a de-escalation in Iraq, but that's been on the table for some time now, and it never seems to go through.

00:04:06.000 And we had Webster Tarpley on a couple hours ago, and he really talked about how Obama is talking about possibly an invasion or a bombing of Pakistan to go after the remnants of the Taliban or Al-Qaeda and bin Laden.

00:04:20.000 And that could cause a whole new situation in the Middle East and Eurasia.

00:04:25.000 Thank you.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, Jason, again, I know Webster, I think what one has to do is be really careful about taking campaign rhetoric as a sign of real intention.

00:04:38.000 I mean, look at what Obama has said about Israel, for example.

00:04:42.000 I mean, it's almost sickening how the candidates reply among themselves to tell the American public who loves Israel the best, Joe Biden.

00:04:53.000 Trying to outdo everyone else by saying, yeah, we all love Israel, but I love Israel with a passion, you know? 0.92

00:05:00.000 I mean, that's really ridiculous. 0.79

00:05:01.000 So you expect that kind of rhetoric from Obama, from anybody.

00:05:05.000 And when he talks about Afghanistan, for example, he has to sort of show the American people how tough he is, that he is up to the task, particularly military task.

00:05:21.000 But I would fully expect, and I've been wrong about these kinds of things before, but I would fully expect that were he to be in office, that the people that he would gather around him would tell him what a feckless exercise not only Iraq but Afghanistan that the people that he would gather around him would tell him what a feckless exercise not only Iraq but Afghanistan has been, and that history dictates that no one wins this kind

00:05:48.000 I'm not willing to address what Obama says about these things as though they should be taken at face value.

00:05:56.000 So you do think that he's somewhat genuine and there's a possibility that these aggressions in the Middle East will subside after he's elected and he puts in an administration that you feel would de-escalate the war?

00:06:10.000 Well, yeah, I have, you know, the notion of the candidate who says, you know, a hundred years, no problem.

00:06:18.000 Coming into office turns my hair on end.

00:06:22.000 I don't think that a fellow who's made his reputation by crashing airplanes and getting shot down has shown any real acuity with respect to policies to be crafted or followed.

00:06:37.000 And so it's a matter of compared to what, finally.

00:06:40.000 And, you know, when I look at the Democratic candidate, When you look at the debates, there's a fellow with a cool head, easy and eager to learn, and I think he's teachable.

00:06:54.000 I think he will probably avoid the mistakes of predecessors who thought they could come into Washington and diss the people in the press and others with whom you really have to work out a compromise so that they will give you half a chance to have your message heard.

00:07:14.000 It's going to be not a very hard act to follow.

00:07:18.000 I mean, these eight years have been a disaster for our country.

00:07:21.000 And just as my friend Bobby Gates, the Secretary of Defense, just as he followed Rumsfeld and had like a two-year honeymoon, so too, I think, whoever replaces Bush, presumably if it's the favorite contender, That he will have a honeymoon period where people will just so delighted to listen to a person who just conceivably might tell the truth on occasion.

00:07:49.000 That if he's of a mind to, and hopefully is, he can change these crazy policies.

00:07:55.000 Well, I don't share your optimism.

00:07:58.000 I feel like he is the slicker candidate by far.

00:08:01.000 He's obviously more well-spoken.

00:08:03.000 When John McCain comes out and talks about a hundred-year war, or he talks about us being the enemy, I mean, I think you can kind of see the senility in his face.

00:08:12.000 He doesn't look the healthiest.

00:08:13.000 I can't even believe that they've put him up there.

00:08:16.000 Honestly, in the run-up to this, I thought they would go with someone more like a Romney.

00:08:21.000 I mean, McCain's establishment.

00:08:24.000 The Palin pick, I mean, it's bizarre.

00:08:27.000 It's not like he has a strong ticket.

00:08:28.000 It's almost like they're throwing the election.

00:08:30.000 I mean, do you really think that McCain has a shot at winning this?

00:08:37.000 You know, this is not my field of expertise, Jason.

00:08:41.000 My opinion in this area is not worth anything more than the next person's.

00:08:46.000 But, you know, there are so many variables and so many shenanigans that have been played over the last couple of elections.

00:08:54.000 That I would encourage anyone who is as afraid as I am of Palin and McCain to make sure that not only that their vote is taken, but that their vote is counted.

00:09:04.000 Alright, well let's jump to this Iran situation.

00:09:07.000 You wrote this editorial, you know, we've discussed Iran at length on the radio and TV interviews with you, Infowars, and myself.

00:09:16.000 Do you really think right now we are off the table with Iran? 1.00

00:09:19.000 It looks like there will not be a war of aggression out there?

00:09:23.000 Yes they do, Jason.

00:09:26.000 And I say that as one who for three years was saying that chances were at least equal and probably greater than equal that Bush and Cheney to fulfill their promise to Israel would, quote, take care of Iran.

00:09:43.000 What's changed?

00:09:44.000 Well, there are a bunch of things that have changed.

00:09:47.000 One is that the senior uniformed military in this country Have shown a little guts for a change.

00:09:54.000 We had Admiral Fallon resigning after saying, we're not going to do Iran on my watch. 0.83

00:10:00.000 Resigning rather than letting himself be on the receiving end of the idiotic order to start a war with Iran and risk the fortunes and lives of all those troops he has in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in the Gulf. 0.64

00:10:13.000 He didn't want to put himself in that position and so he in effect quit by going to the press and saying, We're not going to do Iran, that would be crazy.

00:10:22.000 Now, Admiral Mullen, Mike Mullen, who came in, I was an army officer, so it's really hard for me to say these good things about Navy admirals.

00:10:33.000 But Admiral Mullen, man, I think he's got guts that we haven't seen.

00:10:38.000 He goes back from Israel and says it would be very foolish to open yet a third war, a third front in that part of the area.

00:10:48.000 And then we later learned that we learned this from the Israeli press.

00:10:52.000 I mean, you don't learn anything like this from the American press, what I call the fawning corporate media.

00:10:59.000 We learned from the Israeli press that when Mullen was there, he braced his opposite numbers in the Israeli leadership and he said, look, don't even think, don't even think of any tricks in the Persian Gulf or anything that would provoke the Iranians so that they would attack you.

00:11:18.000 You would expect us to come in.

00:11:19.000 We're not going to come in if you provoke the attack.

00:11:22.000 And then, you know, the real blitz, Jason.

00:11:24.000 You know what he brought up?

00:11:26.000 Well, we'll bring it up on the other side because we're just about to go to break.

00:11:28.000 We're with Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst.

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00:15:56.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

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00:16:10.000 This is vital information.

00:16:11.000 We're with Ray McGovern, 26-year CIA veteran, and he's discussing with us the Military personnel who have returned home and said, no war with Iran, and you were just discussing a gentleman who just returned from Israel and said the same thing, right?

00:16:26.000 Yes, this was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Jason Mike Mullen, an Admiral, who was out there in June, actually, and told the Israelis, not only do we not want a new war with Iran, but don't even think about trying to provoke one by doing something to let the Let the boom go up.

00:16:48.000 Now, what I was trying to say is he did something incredibly gutsy, something that no U.S.

00:16:54.000 statesman has done in 41 years, and that is he raised the incident of the U.S.

00:17:01.000 this Liberty ship that was deliberately attacked by Israel on the 8th of June 1967, with 34 crewmen killed, 174 wounded.

00:17:13.000 It was an incredible attack, and we have bulletproof evidence that it was intentional.

00:17:20.000 Exactly why the Israelis did it is a matter of speculation.

00:17:23.000 You're talking about the USS Liberty, of course.

00:17:26.000 Yes.

00:17:27.000 And what Colin said was, you know, he said, look, he said, we don't want any more USS Liberty-type incidents.

00:17:36.000 Ooh! 0.96

00:17:37.000 Now, why was it so powerful?

00:17:38.000 Because the Israelis know.

00:17:40.000 Ben Mullen knows, as a naval officer, what happened back on that terrible day, June 8th, 1967, and that Mullen was not going to let it happen again.

00:17:50.000 That's about as direct, that's about as clear a message as you can send to the Israeli leaders.

00:17:56.000 And right after that, right after that, we saw a slight attenuation of the propaganda out of Israel and out of the United States with respect to what a terrible threat Iran is or was, but really isn't. 0.66

00:18:10.000 Now, the next big factor that has made it unlikely that we will be striking Iran by air is Russia, the Russian bear.

00:18:20.000 We talk about the bear market, well, I'm talking about the Russian bear who has it up to here now with his nose being tweaked. 0.98

00:18:29.000 What happened was the Russians saw Israel and saw us, that is Cheney and Elliot Abrams and those types in the White House, As being behind that idiot Saakashvili's attack on South Ossetia. 0.98

00:18:43.000 Now, why was that important? 0.72

00:18:45.000 Well, the Russians are up to here and they said, look, you know, not only are we going to repel this attack, and they did so brutally out of all the debris for that, not only are we going to repel the attack, but don't even think about Georgia becoming part of NATO or the Ukraine.

00:19:00.000 And besides Israelis, if you thought that you could use Georgian air fuels to attack Iran, Look at the map, you folks. 0.66

00:19:09.000 If it were the only feasible way without flying over Iraq and other countries who would deny overflight permission, coming down from Georgia would have been quite feasible.

00:19:21.000 And that, according to some reports, is what the Israelis had in mind.

00:19:25.000 So the Russians came down real hard.

00:19:28.000 Olmert went up to Russia, other people went up to Russia, and they said, look, it's all over.

00:19:33.000 Don't even think about attacking Iran.

00:19:35.000 And they said the same thing to us.

00:19:37.000 And again, we intelligence analysts look at all sources, and we saw a very sharp fall off of all the warnings out of the White House about how bad Iran is, how it's supplying our opponents in Iraq, and how it's developing.

00:19:50.000 They all fell right off in early August, and it's still pretty far down.

00:19:55.000 Two other factors I've mentioned briefly.

00:19:59.000 You know, AIPAC, the American, Israel, political something committee, they drafted legislation.

00:20:10.000 Actually, this is not so bizarre, they do this regularly.

00:20:14.000 They drafted legislation which formed the substance of bills in the House and in the Senate, which amounted to calling for President Bush to blockade Iran, an act of war, okay?

00:20:27.000 Now, traditionally, when the Israelis draft this kind of legislation, they put the word out and a hundred representatives, you know, co-sponsor the thing, like, you know, like before you could say Jack Robinson, okay?

00:20:38.000 And that happened.

00:20:39.000 But guess what?

00:20:41.000 And the same thing happened in the Senate.

00:20:43.000 Guess what?

00:20:44.000 Grassroots folks inundated their representatives with calls, with emails, with I think they also didn't want to fall victim to what I call the Hillary Clinton factor. 0.96

00:20:55.000 withdrew their sponsorship of that bill because they were afraid that indeed the president would be encouraged.

00:21:02.000 Here's Congress telling him to make an active war on Iran.

00:21:06.000 I think they also didn't want to fall victim to what I call the Hillary Clinton factor.

00:21:10.000 You know, Hillary actually thought it would be a smart political move when she voted for the war against Iran. 1.00

00:21:17.000 All right, hold that thought, Ray.

00:21:18.000 We're going to be with you after the break.

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00:25:02.000 We are with Ray McGovern.

00:25:03.000 We're discussing the upcoming election.

00:25:06.000 And he just mentioned that Hillary Clinton was a bit of a warmonger against Iran.

00:25:11.000 I mean, she's pretty much said everything was on the table.

00:25:14.000 I want him to finish up his point on that.

00:25:16.000 And then I want to get His take on this coming international crisis that people like Joe Biden, Colin Powell, and now a key member of the Pentagon advisory panel are talking about.

00:25:28.000 I want to know whether he thinks this is a reality.

00:25:31.000 Is this something that's coming up?

00:25:33.000 I mean, obviously, with the bailout and the economy, anything's possible.

00:25:36.000 But why don't you finish up your point and then comment on that?

00:25:39.000 Sure.

00:25:42.000 The business about the attack on Iran being off the table, probably, I'll just finish up by saying that it was a grassroots effort, but many of the congressmen who actually had co-sponsored the bill withdrew that co-sponsorship, and I think it wasn't altogether altruistic.

00:26:02.000 I think they were thinking about two years from now, when they're running again, and there's a wider war still, and they voted for it.

00:26:10.000 What I call the Hillary Clinton effect would set in.

00:26:13.000 You'll recall that back in October 2002, she thought it was the politically smart thing to do, to vote for a war.

00:26:21.000 Turned out to derail her attempt to be president. 0.96

00:26:24.000 It will derail the attempts of others to be representatives or senators if they voted for a wider war, and that's why the whole thing was squashed.

00:26:33.000 This is the first time in recent memory that I've seen a grassroots effort able to defeat Uh, legislation not only proposed by, but drafted by AIPAC.

00:26:45.000 And the last thing, of course, is the financial crisis.

00:26:48.000 I think everybody kind of realizes that we're running out of money.

00:26:51.000 We're spending billions in Iraq and Afghanistan every week.

00:26:56.000 So where do we get the money to get involved in a war with Iran, which is not at all like Iraq or Afghanistan, but rather a very Very strong country with lots of armed forces that dwarf in effectiveness what Saddam Hussein had before we attacked Iraq.

00:27:18.000 So do you think there's a chance of this international crisis that Biden and Powell and other people in the Pentagon are now talking about in the first months of his presidency, if he gets in?

00:27:29.000 Well, Joe Biden is not one of my favorites.

00:27:32.000 He kind of runs off the mouth without thinking about what he's going to say.

00:27:36.000 And we're also dealing again here with the political rhetoric rather than reality.

00:27:42.000 My guess is that Biden was just trying to draw a parallel between Obama and JFK.

00:27:51.000 See, even you did it!

00:27:52.000 We can't just accuse the neocons now!

00:27:56.000 That's alright, continue!

00:27:58.000 My apologies.

00:27:59.000 That's alright.

00:28:00.000 Senior moment here.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, it's always politically good to compare your candidate with John Kennedy for whom lots of people have continuing respect, including myself.

00:28:13.000 And we all know, at least those of us as old as I am, that Kennedy was confronted.

00:28:18.000 He was young and he was confronted by Khrushchev.

00:28:21.000 He was actually confronted by the CIA.

00:28:24.000 He was confronted by our military when they decided to go through with that Bay of Pigs foolishness and then expected Kennedy did it to bail him out by sending the Air Force in to save these guys.

00:28:36.000 They mousetrapped him.

00:28:37.000 And so he was beset by all kinds of challenges, not only from Khrushchev in Vienna in May of 1961, but also the Bay of Pigs before that.

00:28:48.000 And, you know, there was the Berlin, the trouble over Berlin access and everything else.

00:28:53.000 So my guess, and it's only a guess, is that what Biden was referring to is, look, you know, Initially, braced and shocked by all this, he came through, and even when the challenge to us in Cuba with the Russians sending missiles down there, when that happened, he was able to handle that in a cool and collected way, but a strong way, and he made the Russians back down.

00:29:18.000 That's the memory most of us have of JFK, but I think it's nothing more than that.

00:29:22.000 I don't think Biden has any special... As a matter of fact, Given his record, he certainly has no special foresight or insight into what's going to happen over the next half a year.

00:29:32.000 Well, I hope you're correct.

00:29:34.000 All right, let's take some callers.

00:29:35.000 I hear that Brian in Arizona disagrees, so you jump to the front of the line, Brian.

00:29:40.000 What's on your mind?

00:29:41.000 Hey, Brian, how are you?

00:29:43.000 Hi, doing good.

00:29:43.000 How are you?

00:29:45.000 Good.

00:29:47.000 First of all, I want to make one comment about what they're saying about Barack will be tested.

00:29:52.000 I think they realize they need to warn everybody, and what they're going to stage is more false flag terrorism, but they need to brainwash the people and spill it in their minds first.

00:30:01.000 And the one disagreement I have is about some footage that was used in a film, and better footage could have been used.

00:30:09.000 I happen to personally know the guys from vthepentacon.com.

00:30:15.000 And they actually have even newer testimony other than the two Pentagon police officers on site at the CITCO that said the plane came in a different route on 9-11 than what the government's official fairytale said.

00:30:28.000 And they have Lloyd the cab driver now.

00:30:30.000 They've re-interviewed him.

00:30:31.000 They've gone out and they've seen the cab that was staged on the south side fly over.

00:30:37.000 And even Lloyd's wife agrees that it was a Northside flyover.

00:30:40.000 They've got a whole lot of new information.

00:30:42.000 Yeah, you know, I like those guys and I like what they do.

00:30:45.000 I just feel like focusing on one issue like that one, we're never going to get the 84 tapes that are still classified, you know, out to the public.

00:30:55.000 I mean, God bless them for their research.

00:30:57.000 We went out to DC with them two plus years ago.

00:31:00.000 We interviewed Lloyd the cab driver.

00:31:01.000 We interviewed the pastor who was the first on the scene.

00:31:04.000 You can see there.

00:31:05.000 We interviewed the first guy with a camera on the scene, Bob Pugh, where you saw his footage all over the AP.

00:31:09.000 I just think that that issue It's just, it's more of a, you know, we already know they allowed whatever happened at the Pentagon to happen.

00:31:16.000 I mean, that was something I've discussed with you years ago, Ray, is that Normanetta now, on six or seven different occasions, speaks about with, you know, whatever hit the Pentagon, we had about twenty...

00:31:26.000 20 minutes beforehand to do something about it.

00:31:29.000 We had, you know, 120 miles out, 100 miles out, 50 miles out, 20 miles out, to the order still stand.

00:31:34.000 So I think that that's a more compelling issue, and to really focus on minutiae like that at this point is kind of, you know, it's counterproductive.

00:31:43.000 I thank you for the call, Brian.

00:31:44.000 Let's go to Mike in Washington.

00:31:46.000 Mike, what's on your mind?

00:31:47.000 Hey.

00:31:49.000 Is this you, Mike?

00:31:51.000 Hey.

00:31:52.000 Hey, I'm just kind of off subject, but I have an idea for the iPhone.

00:31:55.000 Okay.

00:31:58.000 You know the Obama, you click on the widget and it brings up Obama's little site.

00:32:03.000 I think Alex needs to have one of these so you can, if you look at Obama's thing, you can just go with it.

00:32:03.000 Okay.

00:32:09.000 Well, I'll tell you what, right now I'm looking at Infowars.com and he's got something on the right that says, listen to the Alex Jones Show live on your cell phone.

00:32:16.000 So, maybe you can do that.

00:32:18.000 I mean, that's probably coming up.

00:32:19.000 We're moving into new offices.

00:32:21.000 We're trying to put together new things.

00:32:22.000 I'm putting together my own show.

00:32:24.000 We're trying to become more of a mainstream outlet to people.

00:32:27.000 I mean, we can only do so much.

00:32:29.000 I mean, when you literally have a staff, and I'm not part of that staff, I'm a staff of one, but when you have a staff like Alex of ten people and two of those guys work in the newsroom and they're also your main editors, I mean, they're also your main cameraman, it is tough to do everything, but we do need your help.

00:32:46.000 Alright, let's jump to yet another call.

00:32:47.000 Let's go to Carlisle in Texas.

00:32:49.000 Carlisle, you're on the line with Ray McGovern and myself.

00:32:53.000 Hey, I actually have something to plug.

00:32:56.000 It's kind of off the subject from what you guys have been talking about.

00:32:59.000 Okay.

00:33:00.000 But it has to do with how Chief Osvedo wants to use the federal grants to forcibly take people's blood that refuse breathalyzers.

00:33:07.000 Okay.

00:33:08.000 And I know Alex Jones had Chief Osvedo on about that.

00:33:13.000 He was saying how he wants to have a dialogue and engage the public, but we've been trying to contact him for the last four months.

00:33:18.000 So what we were going to do was on Halloween night at 9 o'clock on 4th and LaVaca, We're going to stage a protest to try and get him to actually come down here and explain how that program is supposed to prevent drunk driving, but it doesn't prevent it at all.

00:33:31.000 Okay, so what time is that going to take place?

00:33:34.000 It's going to be at 9 o'clock on Friday, on Halloween night.

00:33:37.000 Okay, alright man.

00:33:38.000 You got it.

00:33:38.000 Thanks for the plug.

00:33:39.000 Alright, let's jump to Andy in North Carolina.

00:33:42.000 Andy, what's on your mind?

00:33:44.000 Mr. McGovern, how are you, sir?

00:33:46.000 Hi, Andy.

00:33:47.000 How are you, bud?

00:33:47.000 Hey, Jason.

00:33:48.000 Good, man.

00:33:49.000 Hey, listen, Mr. McGovern, I was going to ask you and correct me if I'm wrong to mention that you were slightly dismayed by the fact that Hillary didn't get the nomination.

00:34:00.000 Not dismayed, just really, really, really, really, really happy that someone who did something crass for political purpose, and as a result 4,200 U.S.

00:34:12.000 servicemen are killed, That it turned out to be just the opposite of what she expected.

00:34:19.000 The war turned sour, and the person who was against the war from the beginning won the nomination.

00:34:26.000 That should be an object lesson to all people who make important decisions based on their ambitions to be president, or whatever.

00:34:33.000 Well, I certainly agree that, you know, to see Hillary go down is a good thing, and that is a victory if that's the case.

00:34:42.000 Uh, my thing is, is a little bit larger point.

00:34:45.000 I was left dumbfounded because I was, I guess I had become intellectually lazy that, you know, Hillary was going to be given the nomination and we would just continue as we had because I figured that Bush was going to create this police state.

00:34:55.000 If he's going to leave it, he's going to leave it to someone that's going to continue on that thing.

00:35:00.000 And I think while we were all sleeping, and maybe you could speak to this, or maybe you disagree, that this thing that Tarpley talked about, I used to think he was a windbag, really, but I got to listen to him.

00:35:09.000 This whole Obama thing and the fascism thing, he's on to it, and I think that maybe we've sleptwalked through this, and we're going to get a dictator that everybody loves.

00:35:17.000 Rick and Reno?

00:35:20.000 Well let me say this, I'm definitely fearful of that.

00:35:23.000 I think Tarpley has somewhat of an ultra perspective on, you know, Obama bringing, you know, super fascism to the United States.

00:35:31.000 I don't see that.

00:35:32.000 But I do, unfortunately, I mean, I differ from Mr. McGovern and I do see him bringing in more globalization.

00:35:38.000 I did not like his speech in Berlin again.

00:35:40.000 I mean, a million and a half man youth brigade talking about global citizenship.

00:35:45.000 He seems to be on the wrong side of the coin on the Carbon tax debate, and I think a lot of people are going to love him.

00:35:51.000 Like I said, I disagree with Tarpley, where he says that Obama isn't that well-spoken, and he stutters and stammers.

00:35:57.000 I don't see that much at all, and I watch him in extended periods of time.

00:36:00.000 I see him as a confident man who can look you in the eye.

00:36:03.000 He can orate well, and he is good with his hands and his head motion.

00:36:08.000 I mean, he's very good at answering questions and seeming credible and smart.

00:36:13.000 So, you know, I don't see that.

00:36:15.000 Do you want to speak to that, Mr. McGovern?

00:36:16.000 What do you think?

00:36:17.000 I mean, obviously you're in support of them.

00:36:20.000 Well, you know, compared to what sort of thing?

00:36:23.000 And you're quite right, we're going to have to wait and see.

00:36:27.000 But I'm less concerned about the global aspects that seem to trouble so many people.

00:36:34.000 If adopting a global perspective means Going back and realizing that the new guidelines for war, for example, was set up after World War II and resulted in the Charter of the United Nations, which prohibits any country from conducting a preventive attack or a, quote, preemptive, end quote, attack of the kind that Bush and Cheney have done.

00:37:04.000 You're not allowed to attack another country Unless there's an imminent threat to your country, and nobody argues there was an imminent threat, this crew thought they could change not only international law as contained in the UN Charter, but national law, because as you know, once the Senate approves such a charter, and it did something like 95 to 2, once the Senate approves it, it becomes law of the land.

00:37:30.000 And so a war of aggression is just not a really good thing to do, and to be Obama is focusing in on this kind of thing, that we would have a modicum of respect for the law.

00:37:40.000 Well, I hack my hats off to that kind of perspective.

00:37:43.000 All right, let's jump to Ryan in Kentucky.

00:37:46.000 Ryan, what's on your mind?

00:37:48.000 Let's talk about the recent news, the public health emergency for anthrax, botulism, and smallpox until 2015, and how that could possibly play into the future.

00:38:00.000 And also on how the Coast Guard is actually the agency in charge of a biotech or a pandemic flu relief.

00:38:10.000 Well, to be honest, I don't really know much about this new warning.

00:38:14.000 Maybe you could send that over to erinainfowars.com.

00:38:17.000 I mean, again, some things slip through the cracks here.

00:38:20.000 We don't get everything.

00:38:21.000 We try to report as much as we can on our four-hour radio show, but that is something, a point of interest we would be into.

00:38:26.000 So please email that to erinainfowars.com.

00:38:29.000 Alright, let's go to Rick in Reno.

00:38:31.000 Rick, what's on your mind?

00:38:33.000 Is Obama going to have the coattails to end this war?

00:38:37.000 Well, I mean, I'll let Ray answer that on his perspective.

00:38:41.000 Obviously, he's optimistic and hopeful that he does.

00:38:43.000 I don't believe so.

00:38:44.000 I mean, I see these de-escalation plans.

00:38:47.000 They're already in place.

00:38:48.000 They're talking about they're going to take a few thousand here and a few thousand there.

00:38:51.000 But all it will take, in my mind at least, is an insurgency to keep the excuse to have Have these people there.

00:38:58.000 I mean, Obama's been very slick with his stance on the war.

00:39:01.000 He's, you know, obviously said that we have to take care of problems at home before we can take care of problems abroad.

00:39:07.000 He's very well spoken.

00:39:08.000 But I will leave that question to Mr. McGovern.

00:39:11.000 Do you think he's going to end this war?

00:39:15.000 Well, you know, the war is over, folks.

00:39:19.000 The Iraqis have invited us out.

00:39:23.000 We cannot stay there legally past the 31st of December.

00:39:28.000 Uh, we will stay past the 31st of December, but we will incur the opprobrium of the whole world and the Iraqis. 1.00

00:39:38.000 So, it's just a matter of time, and it's just a matter of setting the timetable for withdrawal.

00:39:45.000 Now, if we linger on like we did in Saigon and in Barentsvier and South Vietnam, then it's going to be a case of picking up the residual American presence off the rooftops of the The billion-dollar embassy we've just created there in the Green Zone, and it's going to be a horror. 0.76

00:40:04.000 But, it need not be so.

00:40:06.000 We need to listen to the Iraqis.

00:40:09.000 70% of the Iraqis, according to U.S.

00:40:11.000 Army-sponsored surveys, 70% want us out of there.

00:40:15.000 Okay?

00:40:15.000 So all we have to do is disavow any intention to grab more than our share of the oil, disavow any intention to build permanent military bases, And just say, okay, you can take this for real, international community.

00:40:33.000 And then and only then, you know, will the Arab League countries, India, Pakistan, the West Europeans, they'll come in behind us and help us exit as gracefully as we can.

00:40:43.000 Because they like us now, they all hate us by now, but they're interested, they're more interested in stability in that area than we are.

00:40:50.000 And of course, they're also interested in getting a portion of the oil.

00:40:54.000 So it's over.

00:40:55.000 It's just a matter of whether we linger for two, three, four more years and take the kinds of casualties that we've had since the surge, or whether we, in a more enlightened way, say, okay, Malachy, we understand the pressures you're under.

00:41:08.000 We're not going to press you to stay any longer than you want us, and just help us exit in as graceful a way as is possible.

00:41:14.000 That's the answer, and for those who, you know, think that we have to stay there to referee A civil war between the Sunni and Shia, I mean, that just doesn't parse for me.

00:41:26.000 I don't want one American young man or woman to perish because we're refereeing a civil war.

00:41:32.000 And that's pretty much what it comes down to right now.

00:41:35.000 I'm with you there.

00:41:37.000 Ray, you just talked about the oil, and I was just wondering your opinion on whether or not this current economic crisis is going to continue to drop the price of oil by the barrel.

00:41:48.000 How is this going to affect the oil industry?

00:41:50.000 Do you think that they're just going to subside on their massive profits they've taken in the last four years for a little while?

00:41:56.000 Do you think they're doing this to maybe make the economic crisis a little less worse?

00:42:02.000 What's your take on that?

00:42:07.000 The price of oil fluctuates depending on how big a threat there seems to be in the Persian Gulf, and I think the oil companies are seeing, what I reported earlier, that there's less likely to be a wider war there, and that the U.S.

00:42:21.000 will have to depart.

00:42:23.000 Now, the problem remains, because, as I said to countless audiences, one of the most important factoids in the international situation is that the world is running out of oil.

00:42:35.000 And, you know, so in a very real sense, you could look at the attack on Iraq.

00:42:40.000 All right, Ray, I do have to let you go.

00:42:42.000 We're about to go to break.

00:42:42.000 I thank you so much.

00:42:43.000 I love having you on.

00:42:44.000 Hopefully you'll join us soon.

00:42:45.000 Are you tired of hearing?

00:42:48.000 All right, John, let him go.

00:42:49.000 The answer is coming, but it will be a bit.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, let the guys go, and I'll just rant for the last 10 minutes.

00:42:54.000 Now, the problem remains because, you know, as I've said to countless audiences, one of the most important factoids in the international situation is that the world is running out of oil.

00:43:08.000 And, you know, so in a very real sense, you can look at the attack on Iraq.

00:43:12.000 Alright, Ray, I do have to let you go.

00:43:14.000 We're about to go to break.

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00:46:01.000 I mean, Truly, folks, I mean, we had Webster Tarpley on for 90 minutes today, if you missed it, and he was wildly against Obama.

00:46:09.000 We just had Ray McGovern on for the last 60 and he's trying to promote you to vote for Barack Obama.

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00:46:49.000 Alright, in the last few minutes I'm just going to run through some calls here.

00:46:51.000 Let's go to Donnie in the UK.

00:46:53.000 What's up Donnie?

00:46:56.000 Hello.

00:46:56.000 Yes, what's on your mind sir?

00:46:58.000 Hi Jason, I'd just like to say I'm really pleased that I get through.

00:47:03.000 I've been trying to get through the show for a couple of months now.

00:47:07.000 What led me to you guys was a video called No End in Sight about the Iraq War.

00:47:11.000 Okay.

00:47:12.000 Which I was pretty disgusted with.

00:47:15.000 So that led me onto you guys and now everywhere I look I can see things that Alex is talking about, he's been speaking about for months and I'm trying to tell people.

00:47:27.000 Well, what other videos do you have out there?

00:47:29.000 Those are the tools, man.

00:47:30.000 I mean, it's one thing to step up to somebody and talk to them.

00:47:34.000 You know, you can get a light to start to switch on, but when you hand them an info bomb like the movie that, you know, No End in Sight that brought you out, maybe you should be making copies of that, or Iraq for Sale, or my films, Loose Change, Final Cut, Fabled Enemies, Alex's films, Endgames.

00:47:50.000 First, you have to educate yourself and get the information.

00:47:53.000 Then, I always tell people, the next level is to set up a little burner, something that you can copy this information to, and then, you know, get a point of interest with somebody.

00:48:02.000 In other words, an agreement point, somewhere where you can relate to them, and then hand off the DVD.

00:48:07.000 That's how you're going to reach the masses.

00:48:08.000 Continue, Donnie.

00:48:11.000 Yeah.

00:48:13.000 I did notice a couple of weeks ago in Glasgow, where I live, a private car with a like a kind of rig on the roof, like a roof rack type thing, but there was this big object sticking up from it, and it really resembled the machines they used in New York, the sound detectors, is that it?

00:48:32.000 Oh yeah, well what those are, and I thank you for the call because I've got a couple other ones, those aren't sound detectors, those are sound wave weapons and they're using those not only in domestic cases with the National Guard like they did at the DNC and the RNC in 2004, but they're now using it for military applications and when they point it at you and fire it literally feels like you're Whole body is aflame, and you just want to move the quickest possible.

00:48:56.000 There's different levels, different frequencies.

00:48:59.000 It can go further, it can be lighter.

00:49:01.000 It's literally like a ray gun.

00:49:03.000 It's pretty crazy.

00:49:05.000 Let's jump to Mark in Georgia.

00:49:07.000 Mark, what's on your mind?

00:49:10.000 You with me, Mark?

00:49:12.000 Okay, may we drop Mark?

00:49:15.000 Let's go to... Yes sir, what's up?

00:49:17.000 There we go, hallelujah.

00:49:18.000 I forgot, never mind.

00:49:21.000 Yeah, quite quickly.

00:49:23.000 The Status of Forces Agreement is dead in the water, according to what I've read.

00:49:27.000 The Iraqi representatives know that it's political poison, and with this not being ratified, it's like basically we can't stay there without this agreement. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Without our forces being subject to their law.

00:49:44.000 In other words, you know, you rape or murder somebody, we lock you up and we put you on trial.

00:49:48.000 Yeah, but that seems to me like it's going to be political rhetoric.

00:49:51.000 I don't think there's going to be any nuts behind that at all.

00:49:53.000 Just like Ray McGovern says, we're not leaving at the end of January.

00:49:58.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:58.000 And they're not going to start convicting or prosecuting members of Blackwater or our military.

00:50:04.000 I am not as optimistic as Mr. McGovern.

00:50:06.000 I don't see this change coming with Obama.

00:50:08.000 I see I don't see the dark future that Tarpley has, but definitely leaning towards that way.

00:50:13.000 I am Jason Bermas.

00:50:14.000 I subbed in for Alex Jones today.

Alex Jones Show - October 28, 2008

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