Alex Jones Show - 20081209_Tue_Alex

00:00:04.000 All right, it's an important historical event, the federal government bombing the Alfred P. Murrow building in 1995 on April 19th to demonize militias, Patriot groups, and to launch a nationwide move for gun confiscation, to set up anti-terror forces against the American people.

00:00:20.000 Here's the Financial Times of London today, and now for a world government.

00:00:25.000 And they admit that a world government is being set up, that it will be anti-democratic and will enslave us, and even mentions how they need to get the American people's guns, how our guns are a problem.

00:00:37.000 Open announcement for world government, open announcement they're worried about the people in the heart of America and their guns.

00:00:45.000 They admit here they're setting up world government.

00:00:48.000 It's just all right there, and you can go read that story.

00:00:50.000 We have it linked up on PrisonPlanet.com.

00:00:54.000 We have the FBI documents, thanks to Jesse Trinidou investigating his brother's murder.

00:00:58.000 A high-powered lawyer out of Utah, Salt Lake City Tribune and others have covered it.

00:01:03.000 The Desert News has covered it.

00:01:05.000 And they've gotten other documents that the Deputy Attorney General Holder, who's about to be the Attorney General, he involved in emails and the cover-up of all of this that he got during his lawsuit.

00:01:18.000 He's now won that suit.

00:01:19.000 I think that's the one thing we neglected to mention in the article we wrote.

00:01:23.000 He's got a huge reward out right now for a quarter million dollars.

00:01:29.000 Well thank you for having me back, Mr. Jones.

00:01:29.000 in the case dealing with the murder by the feds of his brother.

00:01:33.000 So we're going to recap this and then get into more detail on every front and take your calls next hour on the false flag attack of Oklahoma City.

00:01:42.000 We have to continue to revisit all this as new developments come out.

00:01:45.000 So Jesse Trinidue, a short segment now, a long segment coming up, but it's good to have you back with us, and why don't you recap the basic facts.

00:01:53.000 Well, thank you for having me back, Mr. Jones.

00:01:56.000 You bet.

00:01:57.000 Basically, my brother was killed in the months following the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:02:01.000 He was killed in Oklahoma City.

00:02:04.000 He had been picked up in California and sent to Oklahoma City.

00:02:10.000 He'd gotten out of the service during the Vietnam War as a heroin addict, and that wasn't uncommon back then.

00:02:17.000 He had robbed a bank, and he was caught and he pled guilty.

00:02:20.000 He did his time.

00:02:21.000 He got out in 1988, married, worked, paid his taxes.

00:02:28.000 He got into a dispute with his probation officer who didn't like him drinking beer.

00:02:32.000 And so we fought that, and he lost that fight.

00:02:35.000 And he just basically told his probation officer, you know where I am, and I'm going to drink beer, so come and get me if you want to.

00:02:41.000 Well, they're not going to go pick somebody up who's drinking beer and send them back to prison.

00:02:46.000 But he was picked up coming across the border.

00:02:50.000 His wife is an American citizen, but they have family in Mexico, in Baja, California.

00:02:56.000 And sent to Oklahoma City and was dead two days later.

00:03:02.000 Thank you.

00:03:03.000 And at the time, it was a shock to us that the government called up the Department of Justice and said he'd committed suicide, and they asked for permission to cremate his body, and we said no.

00:03:16.000 And we found out later that after we said no, the Department of Justice went to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner and tried to get an order for cremation, and he wouldn't give it to them, because he didn't have the family's permission.

00:03:26.000 It took us a week to get his body released and sent home and when he came home he was heavily made up and my mother and his wife and my sister stripped the makeup off and he had been beaten head to toe.

00:03:39.000 His head was, the skin in his head was split to the skull in three places from the blows.

00:03:44.000 The soles of his feet had been beaten, knuckles black, beaten back and front and his throat was cut.

00:03:54.000 And then we found out he'd been strangled with a pair of plastic handcuffs, so he'd apparently been tortured extensively and then killed.

00:04:02.000 We had no, no... And this happened in federal custody, supposedly in a isolation interrogation type cell where only the Department of Justice has access to it.

00:04:14.000 And they of course said it's a suicide and a suicide by hanging.

00:04:19.000 It was a hard, hard case for us.

00:04:21.000 I mean, we We went to our government expecting them to do right.

00:04:25.000 We went to the FBI expecting them to do right.

00:04:27.000 But then we started to get suspicious when all the evidence disappeared.

00:04:32.000 The medical examiner shows up on the morning to claim my brother's body, and before they turn his body over, the Department of Justice removes his bloodstained clothing and destroys it.

00:04:42.000 The medical examiner tries to get access to the cell.

00:04:46.000 They tell him he can't, and then they clean it that very day.

00:04:50.000 He comes back.

00:04:51.000 He finally got into the cell about six months later, and they point to a note written on the wall.

00:04:56.000 Now, this is a sealed crime scene, supposedly.

00:04:58.000 They said, that's a suicide note.

00:04:59.000 He said, well, why don't you have your handwriting analyzed?

00:05:02.000 He comes back a week later, and they'd painted the cell.

00:05:06.000 The surveillance camera supposedly malfunctioned.

00:05:11.000 I received a call from a world expert on video cameras who had been the expert.

00:05:16.000 His name was Pearl, who had been the expert in the Rodney King case.

00:05:22.000 He said the Department of Justice, the FBI, came to him with the video camera and wanted him to say that the camera had malfunctioned.

00:05:29.000 He looked at the camera, he looked at the tape, and he said the tape had been erased.

00:05:33.000 And they immediately grabbed the camera back from him, the tape back from him, and told him not to do anything, not to write a report.

00:05:39.000 Alright, stay there, we're going to come back on the other side of this break and continue what Jesse's trying to do.

00:05:45.000 This blew the case wide open.

00:05:46.000 This exposed the feds.

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00:09:43.000 You better get that through your head.

00:09:49.000 Democracy don't rule the world You better get that in your head This world is ruled by violence This world is ruled by violence But I guess that's better than that From the Broadway to the Milky Way That's a lot of real estate indeed.

00:10:12.000 Who knows about the New World Order, huh?

00:10:18.000 A man's gonna do what a man's gotta do, and they put us up against the wall.

00:10:22.000 They put our back up against the wall, and we have to fight back, and so we are.

00:10:25.000 This is another case, just like all the guests I had on yesterday, of a single person taking action.

00:10:31.000 They harassed his mother, his father, who were elderly, basically caused them to die, as he said last week.

00:10:36.000 Jesse Trinidue, finding out they'd murdered his brother.

00:10:38.000 We're putting photos, autopsy photos, up on screen that are so grisly.

00:10:43.000 So if you're watching PrisonPlanet.tv, turn away if you don't want to see this.

00:10:46.000 Go ahead and put some of them up on screen.

00:10:47.000 I mean, just savagely caved his head in.

00:10:50.000 What looks like burn marks, electrical marks all over him, bruises.

00:10:53.000 I mean, black and blue, head to toe, both sides.

00:10:57.000 Savagely, savagely just tortured him to death, trying to get info.

00:11:02.000 Because the feds, of course, had just bombed their own building and thought he was one of the witnesses and had to get rid of John Doe No. 2.

00:11:08.000 But he wasn't John Doe number two.

00:11:10.000 We now know who that was.

00:11:11.000 They also murdered him.

00:11:12.000 Police officers that were investigating this in Oklahoma were murdered.

00:11:16.000 Cop of the year, tortured to death, similar to this.

00:11:19.000 Just remember that police out there.

00:11:21.000 They got FBI hit teams that will torture you to death. 0.95

00:11:23.000 They'll kill anybody they want, whenever they want. 0.98

00:11:26.000 They hire these former special forces guys that are mentally ill, put them into the anti-terror squads, and they like it. 0.99

00:11:31.000 They like being the bad guys. 0.98

00:11:33.000 They like getting away with it.

00:11:34.000 They like that nobody can stop them.

00:11:35.000 They love evil.

00:11:37.000 It's all about their own personal power.

00:11:40.000 Now there's more of us than them.

00:11:41.000 We're going to combine forces.

00:11:42.000 There's good people in government, like good FBI agents, leaked documents that he later sued and was able to get from the government because he had the documents to prove we're accurate, where they were basically running the bombing operation.

00:11:53.000 This is key info.

00:11:55.000 Let's continue with Jesse Trenodue, who again, took action and finally won in court.

00:11:59.000 What was it?

00:12:00.000 1.3 million or 1.2 million?

00:12:02.000 A little over a million, Mr. Jones, but to get right to the heart of the story, It's interesting with your comments about the murders because the world famous videographer, he calls me and tells me the tape had been erased.

00:12:17.000 The FBI had taken the tape back from him and told him not to say anything about it.

00:12:22.000 Before our trial, he ends up dead.

00:12:25.000 A witness to my brother's murder named Alden Gillis Baker, he's found hanging in his cell a month before the trials to start in federal custody.

00:12:33.000 The fellow that I think was John Doe too, Richard Lee Guthrie, as you said, He supposedly hangs himself in federal custody the day before he's supposedly going to give a tell-all interview to the Los Angeles Times about what he said would blow the lid off the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:12:49.000 The point on all this evidence disappearing is we don't understand why.

00:12:53.000 My brother, we're just ordinary people.

00:12:55.000 Why this is happening?

00:12:56.000 And we've gone to the FBI looking for them to do the right thing.

00:12:59.000 I mean, the crime scene photographs disappear while in FBI custody.

00:13:05.000 The log books that would have shown who came and had access to my brother.

00:13:08.000 They disappear.

00:13:09.000 Everything disappeared.

00:13:12.000 We didn't have a motive.

00:13:14.000 The government harassed my mother and father.

00:13:16.000 They would go up and down the street.

00:13:17.000 And this is the FBI, door to door, asking neighbors for any kind of smut on my family of drug use, criminal activity.

00:13:28.000 Everything.

00:13:29.000 And by the way, you now have the emails where Holder, who's about to be Attorney General, is saying this is a Normandy-level cover-up, like the invasion of Normandy on D-Day.

00:13:39.000 So they're just everywhere, full-court press, covering this up.

00:13:43.000 And I don't understand why.

00:13:44.000 I mean, at that time, they tried twice to indict me.

00:13:48.000 My wife, part of my brother's ashes, they had placed together on the beach in Mexico.

00:13:54.000 My brother was killed.

00:13:55.000 Their only child was two months old.

00:13:57.000 She would go back and forth down to their place on the beach and coming back across the border one time, an immigration officer pulled her over and said, are you Mrs. Trinidou?

00:14:05.000 And she said, yes.

00:14:06.000 He said, well, you shouldn't go down to Mexico very much anymore.

00:14:09.000 And she says, why?

00:14:10.000 He said, the FBI has been here and they told us every time you come across to take you to what they call secondary.

00:14:16.000 Now that's where they take the engine out of your car, take the tires off, take the steering wheel out, the seats out and say, have a nice day and walk away.

00:14:26.000 But again, we never understood why this was happening.

00:14:29.000 Because all we wanted to know was the truth, what happened to my brother and why nobody was being prosecuted.

00:14:35.000 Well, then it started to unravel about a short time afterwards when I received an anonymous call.

00:14:42.000 I think it was in January of 96 that said, the person said, your brother had been killed by the FBI.

00:14:46.000 I remember the words vividly.

00:14:49.000 It was an interrogation that went bad.

00:14:52.000 And the person said, your brother had fit a profile of this group that was robbing banks to get money to attack the federal government.

00:14:59.000 And I didn't pay any attention to it.

00:15:01.000 I thought it was a nut calling.

00:15:03.000 And then in June or July of 1996, I read a story in the Los Angeles Times about a Richard Lee Guthrie, who was a member of a group called the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang, who was robbing banks and getting money to wage war against the United States government.

00:15:20.000 And I thought that was interesting, but it never clicked really.

00:15:22.000 And then about, uh, shortly before he was executed, I get a message from Tim McVeigh who said, told me that when I saw your brother's picture and heard what happened to him, I want you to know that the FBI killed him because they thought he was Richard Lee Guthrie.

00:15:40.000 And I guess what's really clued me into it was getting a telephone call from a reporter named JD Cash out of Oklahoma.

00:15:48.000 And J.D. had family and friends killed in a bombing.

00:15:51.000 He had pursued that story all those years.

00:15:55.000 This was in the spring, I think, of 2004.

00:15:58.000 And he asked me if I had a minute to talk about my brother, and I said, "Yes." And he said, "Well, describe your brother." And I said, "He was 5'9", powerful upper body build, dark complected, J.D.

00:16:09.000 asked me, where was he when he was picked up?

00:16:11.000 And I said, well, he was coming back across the border from Mexico.

00:16:13.000 And J.D.

00:16:14.000 said, well, what was he driving?

00:16:15.000 And I said, he was driving his friend's 1986 Chevrolet pickup truck.

00:16:19.000 And then J.D.

00:16:20.000 asked the last question.

00:16:21.000 He said, did he have any tattoos?

00:16:22.000 And I said, yes.

00:16:24.000 He said, what kind and where?

00:16:25.000 And I said, he had a dragon tattoo on his left forearm.

00:16:29.000 J.D.

00:16:30.000 lets out this sound.

00:16:33.000 I mean, I can't remember what it was.

00:16:35.000 It was like, oh my God.

00:16:36.000 He said, You better sit down.

00:16:39.000 I said, well, I am sitting down.

00:16:40.000 He said, let me tell you this.

00:16:41.000 He said, when your brother was picked up, the largest manhunt in American history was going on for John Doe too.

00:16:47.000 And this is the description.

00:16:49.000 White male, five foot nine, dark complected, powerful upper body build, believed to be in Canada or Mexico, driving a mid-1980s Chevrolet pickup truck, dragon tattoo, left forearm.

00:17:02.000 My brother comes across the border meeting that description and is sent to Oklahoma and dead two days later.

00:17:08.000 And then I brought a lawsuit.

00:17:13.000 I had been leaked two teletypes from then FBI Director Louis Freeh talking about this sting operation taking place at a white supremacist compound in eastern Oklahoma called Elohim City.

00:17:27.000 And it was apparent from that teletype that they had informants with these people and they were linked to the bombing.

00:17:34.000 And then I came across Uh, reference to an FBI operation that started, um, in the early 1990s, 92, 93, somewhere around there called PATCON.

00:17:45.000 P-A-T-C-O-N. 1.00

00:17:47.000 It was an acronym for Patriot Conspiracy.

00:17:50.000 And apparently it was the FBI's operation to infiltrate the militia movement and to track them all over the country.

00:17:59.000 And so I filed a Freedom of Information Act request.

00:18:02.000 I zeroed in on that sting operation at Ellingham City.

00:18:05.000 I said, I want all your documents linking that operation, referring in that operation to the bombing of Oklahoma City, Tim McVeigh, Richard Lee Guthrie, and the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang.

00:18:18.000 Well, I knew that they would lie.

00:18:20.000 And of course they didn't.

00:18:21.000 They came back and said there were no documents.

00:18:24.000 And so I filed the two I had with the court and I knew they'd come back.

00:18:28.000 And one of the things when you fight the FBI, you can always count on the lie.

00:18:31.000 They'll lie when the truth would serve them better.

00:18:33.000 And that's a big advantage to have, knowing that about your adversary.

00:18:37.000 So I had ready an affidavit from a retired FBI agent saying that the documents were legitimate.

00:18:43.000 So they, sure enough, they come back into court and say, the memos are fake.

00:18:47.000 I filed that.

00:18:48.000 The judge goes ballistic, orders them to go back and do a manual search.

00:18:54.000 And they come back with 150 some pages of records.

00:18:58.000 And they plead with the judge not to turn them over to me because they said they had four or five informants who they had promised anonymity, and if their names were to get out, they would be placed at risk.

00:19:10.000 The judge said, black the names out, turn the documents over.

00:19:16.000 Well, I get these blacked out, I get the documents with the names blacked out, but it's clear they had this operation up and running.

00:19:23.000 One of the teletypes has Tim McVeigh calling Elohim City Two days before the bombing, asking for more help.

00:19:32.000 Evidence came out that one of the informants had actually gone four months, in October of 94, to scout the Murrow building with some of the participants and had reported it.

00:19:45.000 So they knew four months, at least four months before it happened, it was going to happen.

00:19:49.000 They had their informants robbing banks and armored cars.

00:19:52.000 With McVeigh and the Midwest bank robbers to get the money to build a bomb.

00:19:55.000 Now, let me stop you there.

00:19:59.000 Going back, because remember, Colonel Craig Robertson and others have talked about how you were able to get the two memos and put them over each other.

00:20:08.000 You had the one that had been leaked, but then you also had the other one that you were able to get from the government and you were able to learn quite a few of the names from that.

00:20:19.000 Well, not the names, but What was important is they can't remember what they've done in the past, so they black out different parts.

00:20:28.000 Yeah, I'm going from memory here.

00:20:29.000 So I guess it was the Southern Poverty Law Center government memo where the two copies were obtained and then laid over each other.

00:20:37.000 Going back from memory here, was that the Southern Poverty Law Center government documents that came out that they had basically had people in control or in the command positions there where they got the two memos and they laid them over each other?

00:20:49.000 These were all FBI documents, but they referred to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:20:53.000 Of course, the Southern Poverty Law Center immediately called me and told me they had no involvement in this operation, and all I said was, I don't know if that's true or not, but your name is sure as hell all over these 150 pages of FBI records talking about it in terms of apparently a joint operation.

00:21:12.000 And I know this sounds incredible to your audience, but what they should keep in mind is, it's not me saying this.

00:21:18.000 These are records prepared by the FBI.

00:21:21.000 Are you kidding?

00:21:22.000 The ADL's been caught running all sorts of white supremacist scripts.

00:21:25.000 I mean, it's just part of the course, man.

00:21:27.000 But I mean, the point is, these were FBI documents, and many of them have been drafted, or at least were sent out under the order of the director of the FBI, Louis Freeh.

00:21:38.000 And so, once I get the documents, the oldest one I get is On the afternoon of the bombing, April 19, 1995.

00:21:45.000 So I go back to the court and I said, look, Your Honor, there's no way in hell the Sting operation sprang to life three hours after the bombing.

00:21:53.000 It had to have been in place beforehand.

00:21:56.000 And that's when I asked for permission to take the depositions of Terry Nichols and David Hammer.

00:22:04.000 Now, David Hammer, everyone knows Nichols is the co-conspirator of McVeigh.

00:22:08.000 Hammer had spent Two years on death row with McVeigh, and McVeigh told him all about the bombing, including the FBI's apparent involvement through a ring of informants.

00:22:18.000 You know, that's a good point.

00:22:19.000 We didn't get into last week about the Nichols deposition you got, and how they tried to block that coming out, and how when he wanted to talk to Attorney General Ashcroft, then he put a gag order and blocked the media from getting to him.

00:22:32.000 Perhaps we should flesh out what that meeting was like with Nichols.

00:22:35.000 Well, I went into, I don't know how I got in, but I got into The new Alcatraz, which is ADMAC's administrative maximum prison in Florence, Colorado.

00:22:44.000 It's basically underground.

00:22:46.000 The people who go in there, like Nichols, will never come out.

00:22:49.000 They'll come out in a body bag.

00:22:50.000 They'll never come out alive.

00:22:53.000 Uh, it's concrete, largely underground, no windows.

00:22:57.000 I spent a day and a half with Nichols.

00:22:59.000 He gave me about a 50, I guess about 25, 30 page affidavit talking about the bombing, talking about some of the others involved.

00:23:09.000 Uh, and so what, how I came to see him though was apparently Nichols had been convicted by the federal jury.

00:23:18.000 He was tried by the federal government first.

00:23:20.000 They convicted him, but they refused to give him the death penalty because they said it's clear to a clear, it was clear to them that there were others involved and they didn't understand why the department of justice and the FBI weren't going after the others.

00:23:33.000 Nichols has been tried in state court.

00:23:35.000 Same result.

00:23:36.000 Jury convicts him, refuses to give him the death penalty, saying it's clear to us there are other people involved and that the FBI and the state of Oklahoma and the Department of Justice are not going after these people and we're not going to send Nichols to death and end the story without knowing what all is out there.

00:23:54.000 And so Nichols, once he's convicted in state court, he can't be retried.

00:23:58.000 And he can't be given the death penalty.

00:24:00.000 So he writes to Attorney General Ashcroft and he says, come and see me and I'll tell you everything.

00:24:04.000 I'll tell you all the people involved.

00:24:07.000 And Ashcroft not only doesn't go see him, but issues an order that Nichols is to have no contact with the media.

00:24:14.000 And so that's the scene when I finally get in to see Nichols.

00:24:18.000 And so I get this affidavit and I go back to the court and that's when the court looked at that affidavit and the court had Unredacted copies of these documents.

00:24:27.000 So when the judge allowed him to turn over copies to me with the names blacked out, he ordered them to turn over copies to him without the blackout.

00:24:34.000 So he knew who was involved, he knew what they were doing, he knew what was planned, and he said, you go take that deposition and you take it on video.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, that was the documents I was going back to in memory.

00:24:46.000 So what was it like talking to Terry Nichols for the time you spent with him?

00:24:55.000 He is not a person who professes to be innocent.

00:24:58.000 He's a person, I think, and as I think I may have mentioned to you, to me it's a story of sin, forgiveness, and redemption.

00:25:05.000 He's apparently reached out to some of the victim's families, and two in particular, the two grandmothers who each lost two grandsons, toddlers, in the daycare center, and asked for forgiveness, and they've forgiven him, and they've struck up, I guess, For lack of a better word, a sort of friendship.

00:25:25.000 He promised them that he would tell everything and he would clear his conscience to the extent it can be cleared.

00:25:35.000 And he did tell you what really happened?

00:25:39.000 There wasn't enough time to tell it all.

00:25:42.000 That is true.

00:25:43.000 When I say you're in a day and a half, it's not that long because part of the time is bringing him to the room where he's interviewed.

00:25:51.000 uh... part of the time is waiting for them to clear out of the room because they're not supposed to be listening to it but you know they are anyway and then they come back and do their routine checks so that it's constantly disruption and it's you're at a risk of being searched and everything else when you leave there so that's not there are some things that he was afraid to talk about that he didn't want to talk about for fear that they would hear or overhear or find out but he did say enough that there were

00:26:20.000 At least he claims that the FBI was involved, that an FBI informant, according to him, even provided the detonators used in the bomb.

00:26:29.000 But...

00:26:34.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:26:36.000 I'll tell you what.

00:26:38.000 Stay there.

00:26:39.000 And then when we come back, we're going to continue our discussion with you about what Terry Nichols told you, the affidavit you got out, how this helped you win your court case.

00:26:49.000 Then we're going to take calls in the next hour with all the interesting points that listeners will bring up, all the directions they will take us in.

00:26:55.000 Stay with us, ladies and gentlemen.

00:26:56.000 We'll be right back.

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00:30:10.000 Mm-hmm.

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00:30:15.000 You know, they've announced that five people are going to plead guilty who've been in Guantanamo Bay for six and seven years, respectively.

00:30:23.000 Openly being tortured, openly having psychological warfare done, things we can't even mention on air. 0.80

00:30:28.000 It's admitted in mainstream news that They have sex with them, they put blood on them, they do satanic rituals, and the army says they do that to freak them out because they're Muslim. 0.94

00:30:40.000 No, it's because the government's satanic, and they like to do this in their spare time. 0.98

00:30:44.000 You don't believe me?

00:30:45.000 Just pull it up.

00:30:46.000 I mean, I can't say more than that.

00:30:47.000 It's been in the AP, it's been in Reuters.

00:30:50.000 I mean, hardcore torture, and they've got black sites or ghost sites where they torture them to death.

00:30:55.000 They've got drugs that stop their hearts, but then they're fully conscious, and then as soon as they panic, it's worse than waterboarding, they then turn their hearts back on.

00:31:03.000 Fox News has reported that and said it's a great thing they're doing.

00:31:06.000 That's in my film, Police State 3 Total Enslavement.

00:31:09.000 So this, you know, torture of people to get confessions from them. 0.96

00:31:14.000 I was on the treadmill this morning watching cable, and I was watching Dragnet, and they were the good guys crushing the man's testicles to get the answers. 0.91

00:31:22.000 Tom Hanks and Dan Aykroyd torture the guy by crushing his testicles, and it's so funny. 0.98

00:31:28.000 But see, it's not funny in real life when two big guys are knocking your teeth out and putting you on PCP and having prostitutes dance around in devil outfits. 0.98

00:31:38.000 I mean, it's just all sorts of things you can't imagine.

00:31:41.000 I mean, I could never have thought of this.

00:31:44.000 You know, I can't even get into it on air, folks.

00:31:47.000 It's too disgusting. 0.99

00:31:49.000 But needless to say, if it freaks me out, it really freaks these Muslims out. 1.00

00:31:54.000 And so now they've tortured him for seven years.

00:31:57.000 So that's the system we're facing.

00:32:00.000 Jesse Trinidou, continuing, sir, in that day and a half with Terry Nichols, what you were able to learn, what was in the affidavit that they've tried to quash.

00:32:11.000 Is that affidavit public?

00:32:12.000 When can it go public?

00:32:13.000 Will it go public?

00:32:14.000 The affidavits public record.

00:32:16.000 Yeah.

00:32:17.000 Nichols basically said that he was under the impression that the FBI was playing some role in handling Tim McVeigh and that one of the informants had actually provided the detonators for the bomb.

00:32:31.000 I think it's what's interesting, though, is I've made those accusations in this lawsuit and the FBI has never denied them.

00:32:39.000 And the accusations were pretty specific that they were involved.

00:32:43.000 Possibly with the German government and others in a sting operation to infiltrate the militias groups in this country.

00:32:51.000 It went bad on them.

00:32:52.000 It resulted in the bombing in Oklahoma City.

00:32:54.000 Well, that's their spin.

00:32:55.000 I mean, two weeks ago, German intelligence was caught.

00:32:58.000 Reuters reported staging bombings on NATO facilities.

00:33:01.000 Did you see that?

00:33:02.000 No, I didn't.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, they specialize in attacking federal buildings.

00:33:06.000 That's their little favorite.

00:33:07.000 That's the German... The German, Mark, is attacking their... The German signature is they like to attack cops. 1.00

00:33:13.000 Because then that gets the cops to do whatever they say.

00:33:15.000 And they were caught two Mondays ago, Der Spiegel, Reuters, I mean, it was admitted, just cut and dry.

00:33:23.000 NATO police caught him.

00:33:24.000 But specifically, he said that McVeigh told him that he was in black operations?

00:33:32.000 He inferred, from certain things McVeigh said, that that's what was taking place.

00:33:37.000 Specifically, what did McVeigh say?

00:33:39.000 I can't remember now.

00:33:40.000 I haven't looked at it in some time.

00:33:43.000 The FBI had changed the plans, changed the target.

00:33:48.000 And McVeigh didn't like that?

00:33:49.000 He didn't like that.

00:33:51.000 What had the original target been?

00:33:53.000 Nichols said he didn't know.

00:33:56.000 He didn't know what the target was, but he was under the impression it was going to be done at night, in an empty building.

00:34:00.000 Yeah, let's say this again.

00:34:03.000 The FBI changed the target from an empty building to the federal building.

00:34:08.000 And changed the time.

00:34:10.000 So there's your loving FBI blowing up federal buildings.

00:34:13.000 Of course, the FBI and BATF, they weren't at work that day, were they, Jesse?

00:34:17.000 That's my understanding, they weren't.

00:34:19.000 Oh, and then they showed up and told the local doctor, showed up at the scene, patch me up, say I'm hurt.

00:34:24.000 And the doctor said no, and what did they say?

00:34:28.000 They said, you die.

00:34:29.000 We'll be right back.

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00:36:15.000 This is a short segment, Jesse.

00:36:19.000 But a long segment coming up.

00:36:20.000 Plenty of time to break down everything that's happening and going on.

00:36:23.000 So, specifically, I remember a few years ago when you first broke this here on this show, there were quite a few documents and affidavits and things that were blocked that you couldn't bring out at that time.

00:36:38.000 I'm interested about the chain of events of when the affidavit and the rest of it was finally made public.

00:36:44.000 It was made public in this fight to get, basically, what happened is I go to the court with some initial things that Nichols had given me, including documents, a few he'd had, plus his sworn statement.

00:36:59.000 The judge has those, and plus he has the unredacted documents the FBI gave him.

00:37:05.000 And that's when he ordered me, gave me an order, says, you go take that deposition.

00:37:10.000 And, of course, the government immediately filed a motion asking him to reconsider and withdraw the order.

00:37:15.000 And it took a year to fight that motion out.

00:37:18.000 I mean, his original order allowing me to take the depositions was handed down in September of 2007.

00:37:24.000 The FBI had fought like hell for an entire year.

00:37:26.000 And then this last September 2008, he denied their motion and said, I told you to go take the deposition.

00:37:33.000 And they now here, in the last few days, appealed that order to the Court of Appeals.

00:37:39.000 But the point I was going to make before the break to your audience is they've never denied the accusations.

00:37:44.000 I mean, my accusations are you infiltrated this group.

00:37:47.000 You actually ginned these people up to do that bombing.

00:37:50.000 You knew it was going to happen.

00:37:52.000 And whether you wanted it to happen or not, you didn't stop it.

00:37:55.000 Oh, that's their M.O.

00:37:56.000 I mean, take Ahmad Salam and the 93 World Trade Center.

00:37:59.000 I'm sure you know this story, New York Times, Chicago Tribune.

00:38:02.000 I mean, this is a fact.

00:38:03.000 They hire Ahmad Salam, like Andrei Strassmayer, being German intelligence.

00:38:07.000 They hire Egyptian intelligence, buddies with the U.S. 0.95

00:38:10.000 They bring him over.

00:38:11.000 They say, oh, we're just going to bomb an empty building. 1.00

00:38:13.000 You're going to build a fake bomb to bust some crazy Muslims. 1.00

00:38:16.000 Then they say, now the target's the World Trade Center. 1.00

00:38:18.000 We're going to build a real bomb to make it stick in court.

00:38:20.000 And he goes, I don't want to do that.

00:38:21.000 And they say, you want your money?

00:38:22.000 You're under orders.

00:38:23.000 Well, I think it's birds of a feather.

00:38:24.000 There are lots of good FBI agents, and they've helped me.

00:38:26.000 I don't know who they are. 0.85

00:38:26.000 go ahead and bomb the building. 0.85

00:38:27.000 He thinks they're setting him up. 0.98

00:38:29.000 He records them ordering him to bomb the building.

00:38:32.000 Now, I mean, again, how did the FBI get criminals this evil, Jesse?

00:38:39.000 Well, I think it's birds of a feather.

00:38:44.000 There are lots of good FBI agents, and they've helped me.

00:38:49.000 I don't know who they are.

00:38:50.000 I receive things from people But the high-level units, they're the bad ones.

00:38:57.000 They're the bad ones. 0.83

00:38:57.000 You don't rise to the top of the FBI without being basically a crook, in my opinion. 0.83

00:39:02.000 Bombing daycare centers? 0.98

00:39:04.000 It's more than a crook. 0.86

00:39:06.000 It's more than a criminal. 1.00

00:39:07.000 I mean, this is sick. 0.59

00:39:08.000 This is sick.

00:39:09.000 And I don't know if they intended it or not, but they did it.

00:39:12.000 And the point is, I accused them of it, and they never denied it.

00:39:14.000 Well, they changed the target from an empty building to the federal building.

00:39:18.000 But the point I was going to say is that they've never denied the accusations, they just pleaded with this judge not to give the documents to him, and he didn't accept that.

00:39:27.000 And then they pleaded with him not to let this deposition go forward, and he didn't accept that.

00:39:31.000 And for those of your audience of my age who remember Watergate, Watergate didn't come out overnight.

00:39:39.000 He came out as a result of a mean-ass federal judge named John Sirica, who held a The government's feet to the fire until the story came out.

00:39:48.000 I think we've got John Sirica here.

00:39:51.000 I wonder if he's got his insurance up to date.

00:39:56.000 It's been a hard fight and it's far from over.

00:39:58.000 I know a lot of people say, you know, why are you doing it?

00:40:02.000 I said I never started out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:40:05.000 I just want justice for my family and the people who killed my brother.

00:40:10.000 But that's how it works in life, as you know.

00:40:12.000 When you start out wanting justice for yourself, you find out it's connected to everybody else.

00:40:16.000 Well, it appears to be the case here, because everything has taken me to Oklahoma City and the bombing.

00:40:22.000 Every lead.

00:40:24.000 Every witness.

00:40:25.000 Every piece of destroyed evidence.

00:40:27.000 It all goes back.

00:40:28.000 How do these FBI guys on the dark side, when you get around them, how do they behave?

00:40:33.000 Well, they tried twice to indict me.

00:40:36.000 As I said, they harassed my family.

00:40:40.000 I have my wife go out and start the car in the morning. 1.00

00:40:43.000 That's a joke.

00:40:46.000 Let's talk about where this goes from here and other key points in the case when we get back.

00:40:49.000 Then we're going to open the phones up at 800-259-9231.

00:40:54.000 Our guest is Jesse Trinidad.

00:40:55.000 We're very honored to have him with us.

00:40:59.000 I'm going to talk to Jesse right now.

00:41:01.000 Jesse?

00:41:04.000 Jesse?

00:41:06.000 Yes.

00:41:06.000 We're not on the AM and FM or shortwave or satellite right now, but we are streaming live over the web.

00:41:10.000 I like to do these little behind-the-scenes things in the fourth hour, and we're also at PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:41:17.000 I'm kind of conducting the interview here today and all over the map.

00:41:19.000 What are some of the points you want to make sure that we point out?

00:41:22.000 I mean, the website, the reward, where you're going from here, you're not giving up on justice.

00:41:27.000 I mean, what are some of the other points you want to make?

00:41:31.000 That's basically, I think we haven't gotten into Eric Holder very much.

00:41:35.000 I think, you know, we clearly got Eric Holder, here's the second in command of the Department of Justice, covering a murder of a little person up.

00:41:41.000 And you have to say, why in hell, like you said, the invasion of Normandy, are they doing this?

00:41:46.000 And I firmly believe Holder played a role.

00:41:49.000 I have seen nothing.

00:41:50.000 I don't have anything on paper.

00:41:52.000 Well, you have the FBI email saying he's in command of the operation that's as big as Normandy.

00:41:57.000 Yeah, but I mean, I don't have anything on paper of him covering up the bombing.

00:42:00.000 But I'm sure he was.

00:42:01.000 You have him covering up the murder of your brother.

00:42:03.000 Yeah, but I'm sure he was linked.

00:42:04.000 I mean, if he's got his hand in covering up the murder of a citizen, then you know he's got his hand in covering up the murder of 169 people.

00:42:11.000 Yeah, they're hardcore.

00:42:13.000 I know that.

00:42:15.000 This country's in for a lot of trouble.

00:42:17.000 The gun-grabbing Obamas and holders and Clintons, and they're talking about Al Gore and the administration.

00:42:22.000 They hate America, they hate the Second Amendment, and they are not going to give us any rest.

00:42:27.000 They're probably going to stage, and the problem is they're going to stage more domestic attacks.

00:42:31.000 You notice they've said suddenly, oh, Al-Qaeda isn't going to be striking now.

00:42:35.000 It's going to be blonde-haired, blue-eyed Al-Qaeda. 0.80

00:42:37.000 There's thousands, they're about to hit us.

00:42:39.000 We have to have troops on the streets, and they're training every city for roadside bombs, saying there's militia, they're all about to strike.

00:42:47.000 And that's how they're going to get the troops on the streets of America, is they're going to run around killing cops, blowing stuff up, and blaming it on the American people.

00:42:55.000 I think that the Clintons certainly were terrified of the militia movement.

00:42:58.000 Of course, we have the BATF out in New Mexico blowing up rider trucks the months before.

00:43:02.000 I mean, we just have these people.

00:43:03.000 Well, I think that the Clintons certainly were terrified of the militia movement.

00:43:10.000 PACCON started under their watch.

00:43:12.000 And I think there's less chance of getting to the truth about the bombing and anything else if you bring back the Clinton people into this administration.

00:43:22.000 That's right.

00:43:22.000 We have to expose the last false flag under these people to stop the new ones.

00:43:28.000 And I want the police listening.

00:43:30.000 Well, I'll say it on air.

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00:44:08.000 I want to tell the FBI and police something.

00:44:13.000 It's wrong the FBI and BATF were all out of the building when the FBI bombed it in 95.

00:44:21.000 And I've been studying the enemy's attack pattern.

00:44:24.000 I believe they're going to bring back the domestic terrorism.

00:44:27.000 They're going to target military and police to get you all hyped up to attack the American people.

00:44:33.000 You see, in Seattle in 1999, in Denver this year, in Minneapolis-St.

00:44:38.000 Paul this year, and in Ottawa this year, the police were caught everywhere this year.

00:44:43.000 And of course, hundreds of times previously.

00:44:45.000 With cops dressed up like anarchists, they run up and attack other police.

00:44:49.000 A lot of times, the police don't even know they're being attacked by other cops, and it's real.

00:44:53.000 In the case of Canada this year, for the big global summit, the North American Union Summit, they knew it was staged, and it later came out that it was cops.

00:45:02.000 After they attack themselves, they then rubber bullet and attack the peaceful crowd in baby carriages with pepper spray. 0.98

00:45:09.000 And we've got videos of the after-meeting police with them going, Great job routing that scum, men! 0.99

00:45:15.000 Did you see me shoot that lady in the face with rubber bullets? 1.00

00:45:18.000 Ha ha ha ha ha! 0.67

00:45:21.000 Cops, you think it's fun staging terror, you know, provocateur attacks where somebody throws bottles at other cops.

00:45:29.000 How about when the feds blow up your building with you in it?

00:45:32.000 See, this isn't funny. 0.99

00:45:33.000 Killing cops isn't funny. 0.99

00:45:36.000 I know you think it's cute, because when you're killing your own people, it's like a little fun inside goody-good, but it's sick, it's degenerate, it's disgusting. 0.98

00:45:46.000 When German intelligence got caught two weeks ago staging terror attacks against themselves, they got caught. 0.88

00:45:52.000 And you're all going to be caught for all of this.

00:45:55.000 Now I want to go to your phone calls coming up in the next segment at 1-800-259-9231.

00:45:59.000 The main reason that we've got Jesse Trudeau here is he's won the big case.

00:46:04.000 For a couple months he's had a quarter million dollar reward out for evidence leading to the arrest of the people that killed his brother.

00:46:10.000 He won the case.

00:46:13.000 You know, not for murder, but for all sorts of abuse and admitting the government did bad, did wrong.

00:46:19.000 That's a big issue right there.

00:46:21.000 And they did torture him to death, obviously, in the jail cell.

00:46:24.000 That's not really being debated.

00:46:25.000 The FBI, as he says, is not denying when he's in court.

00:46:29.000 He's not denying when he puts out affidavits that they made the bomb.

00:46:34.000 They trained the people.

00:46:35.000 McVeigh was Army Black Ops.

00:46:36.000 They were going to bomb an empty warehouse, but instead McVeigh got mad when they changed it to bombing the Murrah building.

00:46:42.000 That's why they probably set him up as the patsy. 0.98

00:46:46.000 And, you know, said we're going to kill your whole family if you don't go along with this. 0.99

00:46:48.000 Here's video of mommy out there taking the trash out. 1.00

00:46:51.000 We're going to torture her to death for a long time if you don't play ball. 1.00

00:46:56.000 When he was picked up, he was obviously drugged, stumbling around, thumbing at the mouth, saying, I've got a chip in my butt. 0.99

00:47:01.000 So no telling what happened there. 0.97

00:47:03.000 Jolly and West, the famous mind control doctor from MKUltra hearings in 77, becomes his doctor until the time he's executed in Terre Haute.

00:47:11.000 So that's some of the basics.

00:47:12.000 But Eric Holder, involved in the cover-up, we have the internal memos, the emails, this is confirmed in the case, about how he was running the cover-up of your brother's murder and how this was, quote, as complex as the Normandy invasion.

00:47:26.000 And how they had to have a unified front, PR, spin, that's all up on InfoWars.com.

00:47:30.000 Plug your website with all the documents, photos, the reward, and then let's get into Holder and where you're going from here.

00:47:37.000 All the documents we've talked about are at the reward site, which is my brother's initials, Kenneth Michael Triniduc, KMT Reward, one word, KMTReward.com.

00:47:48.000 It'll have it all there.

00:47:50.000 And back to Eric Holder.

00:47:52.000 The documents reflect that Holder ran the cover up of my brother's murder.

00:47:56.000 And Holder was the second in command of the Department of Justice in the Clinton-Reno Justice Department.

00:48:02.000 And you have to ask yourself, what is the second in command of the Department of Justice doing?

00:48:09.000 One, covering up a murder, period.

00:48:10.000 But even being involved in the death of an ordinary citizen, you would never see that.

00:48:18.000 And it didn't make sense at the time, but it does now.

00:48:20.000 And if he knew, and I think he did, that if this murder was solved, it would go to the government's role in the bombing, then he sure would be involved in covering that up, because that would have cost Bill Clinton a re-election in 1996, if the American people had known about the FBI's role.

00:48:36.000 Well, we thought we were getting red.

00:48:39.000 of the Clintons with Obama.

00:48:41.000 People thought that.

00:48:42.000 I knew they were running Obama.

00:48:45.000 And here they all come.

00:48:46.000 Al Gore, Hillary Clinton.

00:48:47.000 They're saying Bill Clinton's going to be in the administration.

00:48:50.000 All the same people that ran Waco and Oklahoma.

00:48:54.000 They're just all back!

00:48:55.000 And they want our guns.

00:48:56.000 Please continue.

00:48:58.000 Well, I can say this.

00:48:59.000 I agree with you there.

00:49:00.000 And I contributed money to Obama's campaign and I voted for him.

00:49:03.000 But I didn't vote for him to bring the Clintons back.

00:49:06.000 And with the Clintons coming back into power, The chance of this story ever seeing the light of day, my brother's murder and the bombing, gets slimmer and slimmer.

00:49:16.000 Well, the whole government stages false flags all the time, so none of them are ever going to let it come out, but you have beat them so far.

00:49:23.000 Where do you go from here?

00:49:25.000 Well, I think the most important thing, I have two big, three big fights, obviously, to get the men who killed my brother.

00:49:32.000 And the other fight is to get the truth out through Terry Nichols, if something doesn't happen to him in the interim.

00:49:38.000 And then I've sued them again.

00:49:39.000 I understand, and I've had it on pretty good authority, that there's a CIA report out there that says that the FBI was involved in Elohim City with the German government in that sting operation.

00:49:55.000 And that the FBI does have a surveillance tape that shows the Ryder truck pulling up in front of the Murrow building.

00:50:01.000 And the description, the government's description of that tape is The bomb detonates three minutes and six seconds after the suspects quote-unquote exit the truck.

00:50:12.000 Well, I mean, we have the LA Times and a bunch of people interviewing the FBI agents who saw the tape, and it shows McVeigh and one other guy getting out, and then of course they've sequestered that tape, what, through three lawsuits?

00:50:25.000 Yes, but I absolutely get it.

00:50:27.000 And you have to ask yourself, and I'll answer the question too, that would be the best evidence of the crime is an actual videotape of the people doing it.

00:50:36.000 And you say, why wouldn't you have shown that as evidence at Nichols' trial and McVeigh's trial?

00:50:41.000 And the obvious answer is, one of the people getting out of the truck was, or two of the people getting out of the truck were on your payroll.

00:50:47.000 And that's why you don't want it shown.

00:50:50.000 Well, they were all on the payroll.

00:50:53.000 McVeigh was on their payroll.

00:50:55.000 Now he got recruited out of the Army.

00:50:56.000 That was the inside info.

00:50:58.000 We always had it.

00:50:59.000 Have you ever seen the video of the guy up at the military camp a few months before it?

00:51:04.000 When he's supposedly out of the military who looks just like McVeigh?

00:51:07.000 I haven't.

00:51:08.000 That's pretty powerful.

00:51:09.000 It is McVeigh, there's no doubt about it.

00:51:10.000 Have you seen the Camp Grouper photos taken by off-duty police flying their Cessna at the Army base with the fuel oil tanks?

00:51:19.000 And they're loading a Ryder truck behind security fences with ammonium nitrate?

00:51:23.000 That one I haven't seen either.

00:51:25.000 I came late to this fight.

00:51:27.000 Camp Grouper, yeah.

00:51:28.000 Oh, I mean, there's so much evidence, it's incredible.

00:51:30.000 I mean, you know about them killing cops and coroners and doctors and witnesses, right?

00:51:37.000 I know about and I think they're fully capable of it.

00:51:42.000 And that's why I made a joke about starting a car, but I recognized early on that for my own security, anything I did get, I couldn't keep it to myself.

00:51:52.000 I had to get it out into the public.

00:51:55.000 And that's why the minute I get an affidavit from Terry Nathalie, I file it in the court so it's a public record.

00:52:00.000 Well, most of the people doing all this killing, if you profile them, there's different types, but mainly they're former military, they've been in black ops, they've killed families in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Africa.

00:52:12.000 They've seen dead kids everywhere and they just start liking it.

00:52:15.000 And so, hey, you know, kill 160-something people in a federal building, blow up some kids, collateral damage. 0.98

00:52:21.000 Collateral damage. 0.90

00:52:23.000 But how would they like something happening to them or their family?

00:52:25.000 Oh, then it's all, oh my goodness, nothing can happen to us.

00:52:30.000 And of course they got away with Oklahoma City, so why not 9-11? 0.83

00:52:34.000 And they just never stop.

00:52:36.000 It just gets bigger and worse and more out of control.

00:52:39.000 And I'm not even looking for a fight with these people.

00:52:42.000 I want them to stop killing us and stop destroying our country.

00:52:46.000 But they've got a job to do to bring this nation down.

00:52:48.000 Do you have any ideas about stopping Eric Holder becoming the Attorney General?

00:52:56.000 I don't know how much good it would do, but I'd have your listeners to write, call, email your Congressmen and Senators, and tell them to look into this man's background.

00:53:06.000 I mean, again, it's not me making this up.

00:53:08.000 These are government documents with Holder involved in the cover-up of my brother's murder.

00:53:12.000 That's probably on his resume.

00:53:14.000 Probably his internal resume says, you know, Oklahoma City bombing, and I think, whoa, come on in here, man, this is good.

00:53:21.000 We've got a lot of federal targets for you.

00:53:23.000 To put it in perspective, Here today, they indicted the five former servicemen for the shootings in Iraq.

00:53:32.000 And I don't know the circumstances.

00:53:34.000 I mean, it takes place in a combat zone.

00:53:38.000 Most of them were former Marines or Airborne.

00:53:41.000 I was in the Corps.

00:53:42.000 I know those people.

00:53:43.000 They're well-disciplined.

00:53:45.000 They're trained.

00:53:47.000 They don't fly off the handle and do things like that, in my estimation.

00:53:52.000 But the point is that they were They're being prosecuted for, and if they did that, they should be, for what took place in Iraq. 0.93

00:53:59.000 You have my brother who's in custody of the FBI in a cell where nobody but the FBI basically has access to him.

00:54:08.000 They have all the evidence, and nobody gets prosecuted.

00:54:12.000 The prosecutions by the federal government are selective.

00:54:16.000 It's called untouchable.

00:54:17.000 There's a reason they do it.

00:54:20.000 Well look, they just arrested the Illinois governor, who I by the way hate, he's a gun grabber, but they just arrested him for what's normal in U.S.

00:54:27.000 politics.

00:54:28.000 You know, hey, I'll give you this appointment if you give me that appointment, and now they've arrested him.

00:54:34.000 Meanwhile, you've got daily mob bossing there in the city, and it's nothing compared to all the other corruption.

00:54:40.000 They selectively prosecute, the federal government does.

00:54:44.000 Crimes committed by themselves against the citizens are not prosecuted.

00:54:50.000 They do it to further their own interests.

00:54:53.000 It's a mafia with government power.

00:54:58.000 Well, I've often said that the FBI, and again your audience should know that I hate that institution, but I think it's actually worse than the old KGB because The KGB never claimed to be a legitimate law enforcement agency.

00:55:20.000 And the FBI does.

00:55:23.000 Back when you were a Marine, did you have any idea how this country was really run?

00:55:27.000 No, I was in one of my brother's murders.

00:55:30.000 I didn't either.

00:55:31.000 I expected the government to do the right thing.

00:55:34.000 Yeah.

00:55:34.000 I mean, and look at family courts.

00:55:36.000 There's no due process there.

00:55:38.000 They don't follow any law there.

00:55:39.000 The whole country's a giant happy hunting ground for crooks to get into government and have their way with the people.

00:55:45.000 And I, for one, am sick of it.

00:55:46.000 Plus, they're bringing the whole country down now.

00:55:48.000 They've gotten so corrupt, everything's collapsing, like a third world nation.

00:55:51.000 Good job, guys! 0.97

00:55:52.000 You've destroyed America!

00:55:54.000 Great job!

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00:59:57.000 Crashing through the lies and disinformation.

01:00:02.000 It's Alex Jones, only on the GCN Radio Network.

01:00:06.000 All right, folks, we are back live. we are back live.

01:00:28.000 I want to talk to John, Cody, Steve, Chris, Tyler, and others from all over the country and the world.

01:00:34.000 Before we go to phone calls with you, sir, Jesse Trenner, do you have other points you haven't covered, other areas that need to be gotten into?

01:00:43.000 Well, I'd just like to leave the audience with this thought.

01:00:46.000 Two things.

01:00:48.000 I didn't start to go to Oklahoma City following my brother's murder took me there.

01:00:54.000 I didn't start out Hating my government.

01:00:56.000 I didn't start out distrusting my government.

01:00:58.000 I certainly didn't start out distrusting or hating the FBI.

01:01:02.000 I went to my government, I went to the FBI asking them to do the right thing, to investigate my brother's murder, to prosecute the people who did it, and to punish them.

01:01:11.000 And instead of that, I got lies, I got cover up, I got harassment, and my government and the FBI tried at least twice to indict me, to shut me up.

01:01:21.000 And they said it for that reason.

01:01:23.000 I have the documents.

01:01:24.000 I never sent them to you, but where they said the purpose of indicting me was to stop my inquiry.

01:01:31.000 To shut me up.

01:01:33.000 Not that I've done anything wrong, but just to shut me up.

01:01:36.000 See, that's what's so crazy, is that they're so corrupt, they'll even put in their own memos that they're committing racketeering crimes.

01:01:44.000 I mean, to put false charges on somebody just to shut down an investigation into the government, that's criminal.

01:01:49.000 But it's such a culture of criminality that it's just right out in the open now.

01:01:53.000 Well, they said they were doing it because I was on a campaign, and that's their words, campaign to discredit the federal government. 1.00

01:02:00.000 Well, you sociopath psychopaths, you killed his brother! 1.00

01:02:05.000 You blew up a building full of little kids! 1.00

01:02:09.000 I know you don't care about them.

01:02:10.000 What about the federal officers, your fellow God creatures?

01:02:14.000 I mean, I mean, you know, you killed kings! 0.81

01:02:17.000 I know us slaves don't matter, but you killed gods! 0.95

01:02:21.000 I mean, you know, I guess that doesn't matter, though, when a super god kills a lower god. 0.68

01:02:25.000 Unbelievable.

01:02:25.000 Let's take phone calls.

01:02:26.000 John in New Jersey.

01:02:27.000 You're on the air.

01:02:28.000 Go ahead.

01:02:30.000 John Carroll.

01:02:32.000 Go ahead, John.

01:02:33.000 Yeah, how you doing?

01:02:35.000 I talked with you last week.

01:02:36.000 I'm a cop in Jersey City.

01:02:38.000 Oh, yes, sir.

01:02:39.000 How you doing?

01:02:39.000 Good to talk to you.

01:02:40.000 How are you, sir?

01:02:41.000 Good.

01:02:42.000 I just had one question to ask Mr. Trinidou, and my condolences to the loss of your brother, sir.

01:02:50.000 Thank you.

01:02:51.000 Absolutely.

01:02:52.000 And I apologize, because it's really obvious from everything that you're saying that there's ultimately a real big problem there.

01:03:01.000 And as a member of law enforcement and 9-11 responder, it is my real apology to you that you went through that situation.

01:03:09.000 And I apologize.

01:03:13.000 My question is, Morris Deese, he was the founder of the Southern Poverty Law Center, correct?

01:03:19.000 That's my understanding, yes he was.

01:03:22.000 What is his culpability there?

01:03:24.000 I've seen a couple of documentaries.

01:03:29.000 Do you find any culpability with regards to his position in that organization?

01:03:35.000 Where does he come from?

01:03:37.000 Well, all I know is that the Southern Poverty Law Center has told me that they're not involved.

01:03:43.000 The FBI documents, on the other hand, say they are involved.

01:03:46.000 I don't have a problem with monitoring hate groups that can do harm to American citizens, but as you know from law enforcement, you've got to stop them before they do it.

01:04:00.000 Well, they also mislabel.

01:04:01.000 They like to mix Second Amendment groups or property rights groups in with the Ku Klux Klan.

01:04:09.000 John, I've got a question for you.

01:04:11.000 Yes.

01:04:12.000 You're in local law enforcement.

01:04:16.000 He's a police detective.

01:04:17.000 Not in the federal government.

01:04:19.000 Now, if you'd done something wrong, what would the federal government's approach have been to you?

01:04:24.000 They'd jack the jail up and put you under it. 0.99

01:04:28.000 I mean, in what sense?

01:04:29.000 I mean, they pursue local law enforcement people whether they've done anything wrong or not.

01:04:35.000 Well, that's part of federalization.

01:04:41.000 Yes, we definitely are.

01:04:45.000 We're put into a situation and it sort of is like the movies.

01:04:49.000 You know how they portray the disdain between federal, FBI, DEA, local law enforcement.

01:04:56.000 There is a general disdain because local law enforcement, you know, it's really not a perception.

01:05:03.000 It really is, it's actually actual.

01:05:06.000 We really are just glorified security guards.

01:05:09.000 And if my brother had died and been killed in a county jail or state prison, I think you could safely say the FBI had been all over that, wouldn't they?

01:05:22.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:05:25.000 Well, I'll give you a quick story.

01:05:27.000 Stay there, John.

01:05:28.000 We've got a break.

01:05:29.000 Come back in a minute or two with you on that.

01:05:31.000 How it works is, you've got boss hog local corruption and it's bad.

01:05:34.000 But the feds are the worst. 0.94

01:05:36.000 And they come in and they use the indiscretions of locals to take over.

01:05:40.000 And that's how the federalization is happening.

01:05:42.000 The feds have taken over scores of cities.

01:05:44.000 They actually run them.

01:05:45.000 We'll be right back.

01:05:49.000 We're on the march, the Empire's on the run.

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01:06:58.000 Today, unlike any other in the long course of American history, a terrorist act of war against this country.

01:07:05.000 The enemy struck America on September 11th.

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01:09:06.000 It painted my hands and my face blue.

01:09:09.000 And suddenly the wind blew me away.

01:09:13.000 And made me fly in the infinite sky.

01:09:19.000 You've got to get over your fear.

01:09:40.000 You gotta just commit to what you're doing and deal with it.

01:09:45.000 I respect these enemies.

01:09:46.000 It takes a lot to be able to blow little kids up in America and torture cops to death.

01:09:51.000 Do all the things they do.

01:09:52.000 I mean, I don't think I'm safe.

01:09:54.000 I don't think I'm beating them.

01:09:56.000 I'm just saying, look, you people are out of control destroying the country, and I've got to fight you. 0.92

01:10:01.000 And, you know, you murdered this guy's brother, and he stood up to you, and he's beating you. 0.96

01:10:07.000 They probably aren't going to kill you, though. 0.76

01:10:08.000 They've already harassed your family and your parents until they died, because now they don't want to draw attention to themselves by killing you.

01:10:14.000 But who knows? 0.98

01:10:15.000 They're so reckless now, they might cut your head off and stick it on a pike in front of town. 1.00

01:10:19.000 I mean, or on the gates of the city.

01:10:22.000 There is just a flagrance by these people now.

01:10:25.000 Jesse Trinidad, I just want to commend you.

01:10:26.000 Going back to John in New York, a police detective out there, and we can confirm he is.

01:10:30.000 We know who he is.

01:10:31.000 He's had 9-11, Truth, into Jersey and New York. 0.60

01:10:34.000 Finishing up the point you were making, then I want to get to the other calls.

01:10:37.000 Absolutely, Alex.

01:10:39.000 Just a real quick story.

01:10:40.000 9-13-01, what we received was a cross-reference manifest of obviously Middle Eastern names.

01:10:50.000 That's actually when we had the Constitution back then, before the Patriot Act.

01:10:55.000 So they actually had to manufacture a manifest of people that had Middle Eastern names, but with Very slight, what we call scofflaw. 0.87

01:11:05.000 You know, parking ticket warrants that they didn't serve, they didn't pay their tickets.

01:11:11.000 Very miniscule offenses.

01:11:15.000 And all of a sudden, we were given that manifest to go out and find these people.

01:11:20.000 And I think out of... I was in Special Investigations at the time, so we were assigned to do that.

01:11:25.000 And we pulled these names.

01:11:27.000 We found, out of 30, we actually located one.

01:11:31.000 We felt like we were doing the right thing at that time.

01:11:34.000 Obviously, in hindsight, it's 2020.

01:11:37.000 Now, it's just, it seems ridiculous to me that I thought I was doing the right thing.

01:11:41.000 I mean, I'm violating this person's... I mean, we're not really violating the person's rights.

01:11:46.000 I mean, that person would have ordered, you know, be processed.

01:11:50.000 But for a crooked toenail that you were specifically being drawn off of serious cases, put on these putty cases?

01:11:57.000 Well, it was two or three days right after 9-11.

01:12:02.000 So, I mean, that was the case.

01:12:06.000 9-11 was the case.

01:12:07.000 I mean, you went just all over the place.

01:12:09.000 Well, you know, with the Oklahoma City bombing, and I appreciate your call.

01:12:12.000 It's good to hear from you again.

01:12:13.000 Call back soon.

01:12:14.000 We're going to go to some more calls here in a minute.

01:12:16.000 But what the FBI did is they went and investigated everything, the dog catcher, the butcher, the candlestick maker. 0.68

01:12:23.000 They went after everybody to create the biggest mountain up until that point of investigations ever to get their good agents off the real trail and to create just this mountain of garbage.

01:12:34.000 Jesse, what do they call that tactic?

01:12:36.000 All I know is it's...

01:12:39.000 That's part of their tactic all the time.

01:12:41.000 When they really want to cover it up, they say, look at our investigation.

01:12:43.000 We interviewed 10,000 witnesses and we have 100,000 documents.

01:12:48.000 Obfuscation is what they do.

01:12:50.000 In the bombing case, the agent in charge of the case, after he retired, said he was told, the only time in his career, he was told by Maine Justice out of the White House, the Clinton-Reno Justice Department, not to go after the people at Ellingham City.

01:13:05.000 All righty, let's go ahead and talk to Cody in Georgia.

01:13:09.000 You're on the air with our guest.

01:13:10.000 Go ahead, Cody.

01:13:12.000 I just had a question I was wanting to ask.

01:13:12.000 Yes, sir.

01:13:15.000 Actually, I had two questions.

01:13:16.000 I wanted to ask you, sir, if you were able to subpoena the federal guards, or if they allowed you to do that, or that judge, he seemed like a pretty reasonable judge.

01:13:26.000 Yeah, do you have an idea who killed your brother?

01:13:28.000 I don't.

01:13:30.000 I don't.

01:13:31.000 See, one of the things under the Freedom of Information Act you request is you can't You can't subpoena.

01:13:39.000 I have to focus on Nichols and the documents I asked for.

01:13:51.000 Even though that's where that road is going to take me, I can't just jump ahead to there.

01:13:55.000 I have to go through the process of fleshing out the bombing, linking Richard Lee Guthrie, who I think my brother was mistaken for, to the bombing.

01:14:06.000 And get there one step at a time.

01:14:07.000 I just can't jump over everything.

01:14:09.000 Have you ever actually seen pictures of Mr. Guthrie?

01:14:13.000 I have.

01:14:13.000 They look alike.

01:14:14.000 Him and my brother look alike.

01:14:15.000 Oh, man.

01:14:16.000 I had one more quick question.

01:14:18.000 I was wondering, one of the John Does they had said was Middle Eastern looking and I was curious if you, Alex, knew anything if it might have been Mossad involved or something to that effect.

01:14:29.000 I don't know.

01:14:30.000 One of the John Does was supposed to be. 0.73

01:14:34.000 You know, a lot of people have said there's a Middle Eastern connection.

01:14:36.000 I don't know.

01:14:37.000 I can tell you.

01:14:40.000 But everything I have seen, all the FBI documents talk about homegrown folks and government folks.

01:14:45.000 Look, they always have covers and fallbacks.

01:14:48.000 They did have Middle Easterners.

01:14:49.000 They were caught at the airports with the blue jogging suits and the bomb-making components.

01:14:54.000 But they weren't involved either.

01:14:56.000 They were only involved in a local cover to throw the media off.

01:14:58.000 The media was doing investigations of them.

01:15:01.000 And some of the people even involved in 9-11 on the outside.

01:15:04.000 So always in a black op, they have multiple trends, multiple patsy lines, multiple angles they can go on, and it was meant to be blamed on the American people and homegrown militias, but they were ready to fall back with the whole Middle Easterner line. 0.82

01:15:19.000 As for Israel, you know, Israel has a lot of evidence involved in the Mubai attacks, so we cover that.

01:15:27.000 In Israel, it's been in their papers that they've admittedly staged al-Qaeda attacks in Israel.

01:15:32.000 That's Harat, Jerusalem Post.

01:15:34.000 But then there's this whole crowd who just always says Israel does everything.

01:15:40.000 Just everything.

01:15:41.000 You know, it's another system run by the same globalists, and they're a very able intelligence group, so they do a lot of this evil.

01:15:47.000 But there are other groups.

01:15:48.000 The British do it. 0.98

01:15:49.000 The Germans do it. 0.99

01:15:50.000 The Russians have been caught doing it. 1.00

01:15:52.000 This is what governments do.

01:15:53.000 It's a very nasty tactic, and only by exposing it and making false flag terror a household name can we finally stop these inside jobs.

01:16:03.000 And then all the political hay they get out of it.

01:16:05.000 The truth is, really nobody's attacking us.

01:16:06.000 There's nothing going on.

01:16:07.000 Everybody's scared of the U.S.

01:16:09.000 So the globalists have to go stage things as a way to oppress their own people or go attack other nations.

01:16:15.000 And we had the former head of Pakistani intelligence on in a huge exclusive in the first hour.

01:16:20.000 If you missed it, folks, it's going to be re-airing in about 20 minutes at InfoWars.com.

01:16:24.000 The only place you can hear it right now.

01:16:25.000 It will be re-airing on AM and FM's across the country as the show rebroadcasts.

01:16:29.000 Thank you for the call, sir.

01:16:30.000 Now let's go to Steve in Illinois.

01:16:33.000 Steve in Illinois, you're on the air.

01:16:34.000 Go ahead.

01:16:36.000 Yes.

01:16:37.000 I'm curious.

01:16:38.000 What is the strongest evidence you have to link this situation to the German intelligence?

01:16:49.000 I don't have that yet.

01:16:50.000 That's my understanding.

01:16:51.000 That's what I've sued to get this CIA report that I've been told exists.

01:16:55.000 Well, that's separate in the CIA report.

01:16:57.000 We know Andreas Strassmeier's dad was the big top Nazi.

01:17:00.000 We know he's in German intelligence.

01:17:01.000 We know he was allowed to leave the United States, even though he was picked up by the Justice Department.

01:17:06.000 We know Andreas Strassmeier was at Elohim City.

01:17:10.000 That's in all the FBI documents.

01:17:12.000 And that he was the explosives maker working with McVeigh.

01:17:17.000 Correct, Jesse Trinidad?

01:17:21.000 I know that the CIA, he was there, he was the explosive instructor, it's my understanding, and the weapons instructor.

01:17:27.000 He does, his father was high positioned in the German government, and the FBI knew he was leaving after the bombing to Mexico, and a former CIA person is reported to have escorted him out of the country and back to Germany.

01:17:44.000 Okay.

01:17:46.000 Anything else, Steve?

01:17:50.000 He hung up.

01:17:51.000 I think that guy calls... I think he can't imagine somebody from Germany could do something wrong.

01:17:56.000 There's another camp that thinks Germany is pure on everything.

01:18:02.000 It's very strange.

01:18:04.000 Just like Reuters admitted the Germans were caught staging terror attacks last week.

01:18:09.000 It's very, very odd.

01:18:11.000 He calls routinely, though.

01:18:12.000 I think that's along the lines of what he was trying to say.

01:18:15.000 My IM crashed here, John.

01:18:17.000 Give me the next caller, please.

01:18:19.000 Chris in Florida.

01:18:21.000 Okay, Chris in Florida, you're on the air, welcome.

01:18:24.000 Yes, I'd like you to elaborate a little bit more on how the Southern Poverty Law Center had prior knowledge of how they funded her.

01:18:30.000 I knew about Elohim City because, if I could explain quickly, I'll try to expose them as the race baiters they are at my local non-commercial, community-supported radio station, had Mark Potok on of the Southern Poverty Law Center. 0.99

01:18:45.000 I know he's written to you.

01:18:47.000 Um, and on the one o'clock show on November 18th if you want to check out their archives.

01:18:55.000 And then I got to confront him, or try to confront him, but unfortunately he had to leave the air.

01:19:01.000 Well, POTOX written about me, and they say there is no world government, there is no North American Union, there is no trans-Texas corridor, NAFTA highways, doesn't matter if it's been in hundreds of newspapers the last two months, doesn't matter if it's in the Financial Times of London today.

01:19:20.000 In fact, let's put those articles up on screen.

01:19:24.000 It doesn't matter.

01:19:25.000 They just say that it doesn't exist.

01:19:28.000 So, Jesse, why don't you go over the FBI documents, the specifics, that basically the leadership of the Ellen Heams scene Nazi compound was basically Southern Poverty Law, correct?

01:19:40.000 All I know is the FBI documents refer to the Southern Poverty Law Center and Southern Poverty Law Center informants.

01:19:47.000 The Southern Poverty Law Center has denied that they were involved.

01:19:51.000 Can I swear they were?

01:19:52.000 I can't.

01:19:52.000 All I can tell you is that the FBI says they were.

01:19:56.000 At least the documents reference, repeat.

01:19:59.000 My FOIA request, I mean, the government came back with 150 pages of documents were the Southern Poverty Law Center is mentioned with the FBI on almost every page.

01:20:11.000 And again, in fairness to them, the Southern Poverty Law Center says it wasn't us.

01:20:17.000 And when I say, well, why in the hell would the FBI put your name on their documents if you weren't involved?

01:20:25.000 But were they?

01:20:26.000 I don't know.

01:20:26.000 Now, I'm sure everything's fine.

01:20:29.000 I'm sure they haven't done anything wrong.

01:20:31.000 They're good people.

01:20:32.000 They just want to ban free speech in America and lie about good people and mix them in with horrible folks.

01:20:38.000 Anything else, sir?

01:20:40.000 It's interesting that the person who responded or tried to rebut my statement referencing the Salt Lake City Tribune articles He referred, the person in trying to rebut my statement said that, referred the listeners to the Truthdig article where it does say that, you know, even though Mark Potok denied prior knowledge, it says that even though Morris Dees earlier Sure, well let's be clear.

01:20:40.000 Well, yes.

01:21:07.000 They had their own informants inside that went back to the FBI and said, let's stop them.

01:21:10.000 whether his organization had any inside source that he will him city made no such denial.

01:21:15.000 Rather, he dodged the question, acknowledging that his organization worked closely with the FBI and other federal agencies, but omitting any precise details.

01:21:24.000 Sure, well, let's be clear.

01:21:25.000 They had their own informants inside that went back to the FBI and said, let's stop them, and then they would indict their own informants who were trying to become FBI agents to shut them up.

01:21:37.000 It would be nice if they would tell the truth, because like you said, it would serve them better.

01:21:40.000 All right.

01:21:42.000 Alright, appreciate the call.

01:21:43.000 Who's up next after him, John?

01:21:45.000 Gloria and OK.

01:21:47.000 OK, Gloria in Oklahoma.

01:21:49.000 Go ahead.

01:21:50.000 Yes?

01:21:51.000 Go ahead.

01:21:53.000 My name is Gloria Chipman, and I'm calling from Oklahoma City.

01:21:57.000 I lost my husband in the Oklahoma City bombing.

01:22:00.000 I'm sorry to hear that, Gloria.

01:22:01.000 Thank you.

01:22:02.000 And we have a group here called VOTIBS.

01:22:05.000 Victims of Terrorism Information and Vital Exchange Services.

01:22:10.000 We initially started in August of 2001 trying to help the other family members and survivors.

01:22:18.000 They still needed counseling and help with their bills and things and then we heard about Jesse Trinidou and on the air I'd just like to say we are indebted to Jesse Trinidou for sharing with us information and Passing it on and having it on various websites.

01:22:39.000 We would like to also ask your listeners if you would please contact your congressional representatives and the judiciary.

01:22:51.000 We're calling for congressional hearings with a special prosecutor into the Oklahoma City bombing.

01:22:57.000 Maybe they'll appoint Eric Holder.

01:22:59.000 Oh dear.

01:23:00.000 Because Janet Reno appointed The deputy director of the Waco probe was the person that ran Waco.

01:23:11.000 Maybe they'll appoint John Gotti to investigate John Gotti.

01:23:15.000 I think it is a good idea to always call for investigations, because even in whitewashes, things come out.

01:23:20.000 Any comments on a new investigation?

01:23:23.000 Jesse Trinidad?

01:23:24.000 I don't think... Mrs. Chipman and I have been in contact for years now, and I don't want to rain on everybody's parade.

01:23:34.000 The more former Reno Clinton Justice Department people we bring on board in this administration, the less likely that is to happen.

01:23:45.000 Eric Holder is not going to go back and open up my brother's murder, nor will he open up the Oklahoma City bombing.

01:23:53.000 But that doesn't mean it can't be done through the state.

01:23:57.000 That's why we put the reward up for my brother's cases.

01:24:00.000 There are a lot of people who know what happened.

01:24:02.000 $250,000 for information leading to the identification and indictment or what?

01:24:11.000 The conviction of the FBI agents who did this.

01:24:14.000 Or the FBI operatives.

01:24:16.000 Absolutely.

01:24:17.000 Alright, well Gloria, anything else?

01:24:20.000 Sorry to hear about your husband.

01:24:21.000 Well, thank you.

01:24:23.000 Again, like I believe you or Jesse said earlier, have your listeners write about Eric Holder, write to your 0.97

01:24:32.000 uh... congressman and include the oklahoma city bombing and hearings that need to be done alright Gloria good to hear from you and really again you know here i am on air uh... cynically uh... i'm trying to show people how corrupt it is cynically talking about him killing people and these are real people that was her husband uh... jesse trinidad's uh... brothers a real person murdered And if they can murder them, they can murder you.

01:24:58.000 And if they can get away with that, it'll be bigger next time.

01:25:00.000 And that's the whole point about corruption and evil.

01:25:02.000 I'm going to let you go, Jesse Trinidad. 0.99

01:25:04.000 As new things develop, please contact us again.

01:25:07.000 And I would love to break any other news or information you have, any other documents that are now public you want us to post on InfoWars.com or PrisonPlanet.com.

01:25:15.000 I would be really happy to put those up.

01:25:20.000 In the last minute we've got left, give us the website, tell us about the reward.

01:25:24.000 The website, again, is My Brother's Initials.

01:25:27.000 Kenneth Michael Trinidad is kmtreward.com.

01:25:30.000 One word, kmtreward.com.

01:25:32.000 It's $250,000 for the FBI agents who killed my brother.

01:25:37.000 As I said, there are lots of people who know what happened.

01:25:41.000 They just have no incentive to come forward, or they're afraid to come forward.

01:25:45.000 Hopefully, this money will give them the incentive, and the money's there.

01:25:50.000 We got enough from that judgment.

01:25:52.000 This is federal government money, too.

01:25:55.000 We will never defeat the globalists, the New World Order, the corrupt, the forces of darkness, if good people don't stand up and fight back.

01:26:01.000 And you've done that.

01:26:02.000 Look at all the success you've had.

01:26:04.000 You've been through incredible tribulation.

01:26:06.000 But we wouldn't have any liberty, any freedom.

01:26:08.000 Corruption would just run wild if it wasn't for good people throughout history fighting back against it.

01:26:13.000 So that's why we commend you, Jesse Trinidad.

01:26:15.000 It was great having you on.

01:26:16.000 Thank you for the time.

01:26:17.000 Thank you.

01:26:18.000 All right, there he goes.

01:26:19.000 I'm going to come back in the final segment and blow these up and put them on the TV screen.

01:26:23.000 I want you to see the Financial Times of London headline out there, and I want you to ask Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, all these gatekeepers, hey, there's no world government.

01:26:31.000 Why are there hundreds of mainstream news articles with top policy people saying they're setting up a world government?

01:26:36.000 It's going to be tyrannical and that that's good.

01:26:40.000 See, tyranny is good and world taxes are good.

01:26:43.000 There's the Financial Times of London.

01:26:46.000 I'm going to put this up on screen for you.

01:26:51.000 There is the article today, and we're going to put a blow-up of that on screen when we get back.

01:26:56.000 Stay with us.

01:26:59.000 In fact, I'm going to skip this break.

01:27:02.000 Paul, can you blow this up for me so I can put it up on screen?

01:27:07.000 Well, that's alright.

01:27:08.000 I can just go with the, somebody dismantled over here, the document cam.

01:27:13.000 So, maybe I can get that back in an operative position.

01:27:17.000 We're in the new studio, folks.

01:27:18.000 It's going to be so much better.

01:27:20.000 This is a tiny little closet that I'm in and I'm going to have document cams that are always on and always set.

01:27:25.000 So, I'll be able to do that for everybody.

01:27:31.000 Let's go ahead and punch up the document cam, please.

01:27:35.000 So when we come back to the full audience, I can show all of that to them.

01:27:44.000 Get my lights on here. 0.98

01:27:45.000 Oh God, this country is so screwed up. 0.94

01:27:50.000 I wonder why the lights aren't turning on. 0.99

01:27:53.000 There they are.

01:27:55.000 Okay, there we go.

01:27:57.000 So I can show this to everybody.

01:28:03.000 That is the Financial Times of London for everyone.

01:28:07.000 And you can see it.

01:28:11.000 They talk about how they want to get our guns.

01:28:14.000 Our guns are a problem.

01:28:15.000 We've got to get those guns, those evil Americans with guns. 1.00

01:28:18.000 How they've got to soothe us, and how they've always soothed us, deceptively, to not let us know about it.

01:28:26.000 And if you just Google New World Order, a few weeks ago I Googled it on Google News, you know, not on Google Video, but from news stories, there were thousands, what, 5,400 hits, hundreds and hundreds a day of mainstream news articles saying, oh, the world financial crisis is so terrible, we have to have world government to save us from it.

01:28:47.000 And that's what this says.

01:28:48.000 So the only deceptive part about it is that they're acting like they didn't stage the economic crisis when this very paper has admitted it was staged to consolidate banking.

01:28:57.000 And then they talk about how tyranny is good.

01:29:05.000 Democracy has, you know, a republic's freedom has to be gotten rid of.

01:29:10.000 Global government is real.

01:29:11.000 It's about global government.

01:29:13.000 Taking our freedoms are good.

01:29:17.000 They know best.

01:29:20.000 And this is the most prestigious newspaper in the world, Financial Times of London.

01:29:26.000 So we're going to come back to the full Full audience here for everybody.

01:29:37.000 And I want to challenge Rush Limbaugh and the rest of them to deal with this, to face this.

01:29:43.000 But they can't.

01:29:44.000 I mean, they could have a world emperor on TV ruling everything.

01:29:47.000 Everyone would have to bow down to him ten times a day.

01:29:50.000 And Limbaugh would say, hey, I just took 25 Oxycontins.

01:29:53.000 There's no such thing.

01:29:54.000 I mean, I'm sick of it. 0.97

01:29:56.000 I'm sick of these fake punks neutralizing conservatives. 0.97

01:29:58.000 with us. 0.97

01:29:59.000 Here we go.

01:30:00.000 On the screen for PrisonPlanet.tv members, this will be ripped to the four corners of the web, and that's great.

01:30:14.000 Financial Times of London, and now for a world government.

01:30:19.000 And this is their foreign and international affairs editor, Gideon Rakeman, and now for a world government.

01:30:31.000 Now this isn't just the Financial Times of London, the most prestigious newspaper in the world, more than the New York Times, more than the Wall Street Journal, the global paper of record, this thing is subscribed to all over the world.

01:30:42.000 In here they admit, in previous articles, that they engineered the financial collapse for big banks to take over smaller banks, that they've cut off liquidity to the public to implode the world economy so the banks can consolidate.

01:30:53.000 I've read those articles and shown those to you as they bragged as they set this up the last three years.

01:30:58.000 And here again they just brag that it's a world government.

01:31:02.000 They say that democracy will have to be gotten rid of.

01:31:05.000 That a world government means that people won't have liberties anymore.

01:31:12.000 Back here they talk disdainfully. 0.88

01:31:16.000 About how, you know, the American people and their guns, they own guns, oh my God, it's horrible, they're going to fight world government, you know, it's just terrible that we can't... and they talk about how they soothingly have tried to deny world government so that we wouldn't get upset, and they brag about how they use the word world governance because the public's so stupid they don't know governance in the dictionary means government. 0.68

01:31:44.000 And they tell you, oh, you're an elite yuppie, you're an elite person, you make $100,000 a year, you're a member of the elite, you know global government doesn't exist. 0.62

01:31:54.000 Rush Limbaugh.

01:31:58.000 The liberal websites, and not just the fake neocon ones, the fake conservative ones, but the little liberal websites, Huffington Post and places, oh, none of that exists! 0.97

01:32:08.000 Crazy! 1.00

01:32:09.000 You're a racist! 1.00

01:32:10.000 It's code for racism! 1.00

01:32:11.000 And you're like, what is the code? 0.99

01:32:13.000 Well, you just a racist.

01:32:14.000 We all know that world government doesn't exist, and that that's code for racism.

01:32:21.000 Now, Paul Watson did another story about this that details it and links to some other documents and articles.

01:32:28.000 Financial Times Editorial admits agenda for dictatorial world government.

01:32:33.000 Jaw-dropping report concedes that global governance is a euphemism for anti-democratic global government.

01:32:41.000 They're going to take your roads, your power plants, privatize your local governments, but that doesn't mean that they're actually going to run things.

01:32:48.000 You'll still pay taxes, it's just that they'll double, triple the prices, and they're not paying to take over, it's just given to them.

01:32:55.000 So this is globalization, and there's Paul Watson's article about it, but again, hundreds of newspapers every few days are saying, world government, the bankers will save you, you'll pay carbon taxes to them, it's just going to be a Valhalla.

01:33:08.000 I have the author, Rothkopf of super class, He was in the Washington Post admitting it's world government a few months ago.

01:33:14.000 They knew who I was.

01:33:14.000 I had him on.

01:33:16.000 When we called him up to have him on, during the breaks, he's like, oh, we all know who you are, Alex Jones.

01:33:20.000 You're not going to stop our global government, basically, is what he was telling me.

01:33:23.000 John Harmon heard that.

01:33:24.000 Then he'd come back on air and go, it's fine.

01:33:26.000 Global government's good.

01:33:27.000 It's no big deal.

01:33:29.000 You know, just accept it.

01:33:31.000 These are foreign institutions controlling the population. 0.98

01:33:39.000 And that's what we are dealing with here, is global government.

01:33:42.000 But there is the Financial Times of London report right there for you.

01:33:48.000 Folks, in closing, we had the General, General Hamid Gul on today.

01:33:56.000 Huge interview.

01:33:57.000 He was on at the very start of the show.

01:33:59.000 That restarts on the streams dealing with government sponsored terrorism and a lot more.

01:34:03.000 So that is coming up with the general.

01:34:07.000 Here's a shot of him right here for you.

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Alex Jones Show - December 09, 2008

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