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00:01:29.000 We had her on the show If you remember about four or five months ago and we raised money for her on the air so she could sue the federal government for basically staging the terror attacks and she's got a very, very strong case.

00:01:48.000 She was inside the Pentagon and so we're going to be covering some of that with Richard Gage in the next 50 minutes as well.

00:01:55.000 Richard Gage a few years ago founded, I guess about a year and a half ago, Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth and he's gotten hundreds and hundreds of members of architects and engineers, structural engineers, to join his organization.

00:02:10.000 There are also other organizations with hundreds of members of scientists and physicists and others coming out and showing that clearly Building 7 and Tower 1 and 2 on 9-11 were controlled demolitions and now Mr. Gage and many others have been vindicated because NIST's latest report has had to admit that there was free fall involved.

00:02:34.000 They denied that in Building 7.

00:02:36.000 Free fall.

00:02:37.000 Falling at the speed of gravity as Richard has always said.

00:02:39.000 They tried to spin it and claim 14 seconds.

00:02:41.000 Now they've had to cut that in half and they're admitting that it did fall at free fall speeds.

00:02:48.000 And so, again, these scientific questions are making a lot of scholarly individuals with a lot of letters behind their name look at the raw data.

00:02:56.000 Architecture engineers and scholars from 9-11 Truth and many others have gotten He's published reports in peer-reviewed journals detailing their findings, and some of the most prestigious peer-reviewed journals out there have found their findings to be conclusive.

00:03:12.000 And he's fresh back from a tour of Europe to crowds of hundreds, and in some cases thousands, of people.

00:03:19.000 He's also spoken in New Jersey and New York, brought into town by police officers and others to talk to folks, and he's gone through a lot of attacks to bring you this information.

00:03:30.000 So I want to salute Richard Gage for all his fine work and commend him, another example of what a highly motivated, focused, professional person can do in the defense of not just this republic, but in the defense of those that were murdered on 9-11 and now the millions that have died around the world in the war on terror, the million-plus Iraqis that have died in the name of that lie and false flag is now a household term.

00:03:55.000 Self-inflicted wound is now part of the nomenclature.

00:04:00.000 And now it comes out in major publications that Cheney wanted to stage terror attacks on U.S.

00:04:04.000 ships just six months ago as a pretext to attack Iran.

00:04:08.000 Thank God the military got the word out and stopped that.

00:04:11.000 We now know that's why Admiral Fallon resigned.

00:04:13.000 He was not going to be part of attacking U.S.

00:04:15.000 ships with fake Iranian patrol boats.

00:04:18.000 So a lot is happening and the truth is coming out on international television in England, in Germany, in Japan, in Russia, in the Middle East, in Thank you, Alex.

00:04:31.000 It's just great to be with you again.

00:04:33.000 showing the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

00:04:33.000 I can't tell you.

00:04:36.000 So we are winning this fight, and one of the frontline warriors, one of the most successful at getting the truth out, has been Richard Gage.

00:04:43.000 So Richard, good to have you with us. - Thank you, Alex.

00:04:46.000 It's just great to be with you again.

00:04:48.000 I can tell you.

00:04:49.000 I'm really excited. - Well, we've gone over the evidence of controlled demolition in all three of the towers, and not just the eyewitnesses, but the scientific evidence.

00:04:57.000 But can you recap the last six months since you were on with us?

00:05:02.000 What has happened with NIST, having to go back on their previous reports, and where the scientific investigation is right now?

00:05:12.000 Yes, well, NIST came out with their draft report of World Trade Center 7, The third high-rise that came down, not hit by an airplane, came down in the afternoon about 5.20 on 9.11.

00:05:28.000 We'll talk about how it came down, but seven years later, finally, we have a draft report in August in which they try to document that it was 40% of gravity that the building came down.

00:05:44.000 Upon questions by physicist David Chandler and scientist Dr. Stephen Jones, they publicly had to backtrack and fumble their way through the conference, and in their final report, which just came out in November last month, they acknowledge that in the first two and a quarter seconds, this 47-story building drops at free-fall speed, which is eight stories.

00:06:13.000 Now, prior to this, in August, they said publicly that it couldn't have fallen free-fall speed, because had it, that would mean there would have been no structure.

00:06:27.000 And so now they're acknowledging free-fall speed, but they're not saying, well, there must not have been structure there.

00:06:33.000 In other words, what they're basically acknowledging to the 9-11 Truth Movement and the world is that The structure had to have been removed for those eight stories because a building cannot fall at free fall speed and convert all of its gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy and do any other work.

00:06:58.000 It can't crush the 40,000 tons of steel that was in the building that was designed to resist any type of collapse.

00:07:05.000 And again, this was the FEMA command bunker overbuilt for strength CIA, FBI, Defense Intelligence, more than 20 secretive federal agencies based there, their largest section offices outside of Virginia and Maryland in the world.

00:07:23.000 Well, that was on the 23rd floor.

00:07:25.000 Yes, it was a very highly secure bunker, complete with all that they needed in the way of electricity, water, and backup electricity, reinforced windows against all kinds of hurricanes and so forth.

00:07:41.000 But all of this was abandoned on the morning of 9-11.

00:07:45.000 For Tripod 2, a terror attack drill.

00:07:49.000 They had already moved out the night before most of their operations out on the pier, as FEMA said, because they were doing a top-off two-drill, a tripod two-drill for a terror attack.

00:08:04.000 Yes, we understand that there were hundreds of FEMA employees the day before 9-11 in preparation for a mock biochemical attack in downtown Manhattan, and we are wondering if that is just a coincidence or not.

00:08:17.000 But the 550 architects and engineers who are demanding a real investigation do try to stick with the technical evidence.

00:08:26.000 We're not conspiracy theorists, so we really do want others to investigate these matters, and we're glad that you're one of them.

00:08:34.000 Let's talk about that matter next, of the 550, and now a year and a half joining your group, and how it's growing exponentially.

00:08:41.000 But before we go there, I'm not an architect, I'm not an engineer.

00:08:45.000 But this is the main show that brought up the Building 7 controversy day one.

00:08:48.000 I remember hearing the news as I was driving in my car back to the studio saying they're going to bring Building 7 down, the Salomon Brothers, they're going to have a controlled demolition so it doesn't damage other buildings.

00:08:59.000 Other people remember those reports, the false reports, BBC, Fox, CNN reporting it had fallen before it fell.

00:09:06.000 But I wanted to be specific here, you know, watching what NIST has said.

00:09:10.000 First, they said free fall is impossible because that would have to be explosives.

00:09:13.000 Only explosives can, you know, do that because as it falls it takes time to crush, you know, the next level.

00:09:19.000 And, you know, the basic science shows that.

00:09:22.000 But we have footage now of the entire building falling.

00:09:25.000 They love to show a video from a mile away with a building in the way.

00:09:29.000 We only see the first 25 stories or so because the other 20-something stories are below the field of view.

00:09:35.000 But in the other videos, we've timed it.

00:09:38.000 I don't follow you.

00:09:38.000 it is falling in a little more than six seconds.

00:09:42.000 I mean, you can take your watch, you can time it, and that's how fast it falls.

00:09:47.000 So even NIST now backing off and saying, okay, for a few seconds it was at free fall, it looks as if that is another deception.

00:09:54.000 I don't follow you.

00:09:58.000 They acknowledge the free fall, but they certainly are being deceptive about the implications of that.

00:10:04.000 Well, not just that.

00:10:05.000 They're saying that the freefall was only partial.

00:10:07.000 But when I watch the videos, it's a continual freefall, not just of 8 stories, but 47.

00:10:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:14.000 No, it actually does slow down.

00:10:15.000 I encourage your listeners to look at the 10-minute video.

00:10:19.000 That says it's piling up at the bottom.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, it begins to slow down after about two and a half seconds, just slightly.

00:10:26.000 It is almost freefall for the next two, three seconds, and then it slows down a little bit more, so it is very close to freefall all the way down.

00:10:36.000 But you would expect that, as it actually did meet resistance, they blow the floors out, it falls in on the rubble, and then you finally do have some slowing.

00:10:44.000 Yes, they're counting on the weight of the building to be harnessed to do most of the destruction.

00:10:48.000 So we have witnesses who have heard explosions at the base of the building, presumably those lower eight floors.

00:10:57.000 We don't really know.

00:10:58.000 A real investigation would get at the heart of this, and also to how they might have planted such explosives.

00:11:03.000 But we do know that the lobby, they had access to the lobby, which is not occupied.

00:11:09.000 They had access to the fifth and sixth floor, which is mechanical floors, complete access And through the elevator shaft, they could have had access to the entire core structure of the building without being detected.

00:11:21.000 Yeah, it was a spook facility.

00:11:23.000 Well, we're going to break and come back, and then I'm going to attempt to give you the floor. 0.98

00:11:26.000 There's just so many issues I want to bring up here with Richard Gage, the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9-11.

00:11:30.000 Truth, over 500 members now and growing of Structural Engineers and Architects.

00:11:35.000 A very, very powerful group of accredited men and women.

00:11:41.000 That cannot be ignored and we'll talk about the deceptions in the NIS reports and why they've been so deceptive and why they claim there was no molten metal when the government's own studies and their own photographs admit there was molten metal.

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00:16:01.000 Okay, not wasting any time.

00:16:03.000 Richard, continue with NIST and their deceptions.

00:16:06.000 For those that don't know who NIST is, you might want to tell them who they are.

00:16:09.000 And then I want you to spend some more time on the explosive growth and the published papers peer-reviewed by architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth.

00:16:18.000 Yes, we have NIST.

00:16:20.000 So, acknowledging freefall, we're asking all of your listeners to write letters to the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

00:16:29.000 And mostly to government officials and media officials highlighting the dichotomy of what they're saying on the one hand and what they're not saying on the other.

00:16:41.000 That this could only have been by explosive control demolition.

00:16:46.000 It's critical that we get a real investigation and we're asking also all of your listeners to email every architect and engineer they can find And with the link to the video that documents this deception on the part of NIST, and the video can be found on YouTube at our account, which is AE911Truth.

00:17:12.000 So go to YouTube and look for AE911Truth.

00:17:17.000 You'll see a listing of our videos.

00:17:18.000 The most prominent one that's received 20,000 hits is this physics professor, David Chandler.

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00:18:14.000 But please continue with Well, you brought up molten metal as well, and this is one of the critical pieces of evidence that is denied by NIST.

00:18:29.000 In fact, before NIST took over the investigation, FEMA had done their own investigation, and interestingly enough, Their conclusion, first of all, is that fire, which is their best hypothesis of how this building came down, has a very low probability of occurrence.

00:18:50.000 What do you do when your best hypothesis has a low probability of occurrence?

00:18:55.000 You look for another hypothesis.

00:18:57.000 In fact, they found some evidence and documented it very well for the explosive control demolition with a new type of material, an incendiary called thermite.

00:19:12.000 This stuff, there's evidence all throughout the World Trade Center of thermite.

00:19:17.000 In fact, there is several tons of molten metal found by the first responders And how do you get all this molten steel when we're talking about thousands of degrees above what we know is going on?

00:19:42.000 I mean, the people are standing in the wounds in the buildings, waving their arms.

00:19:45.000 It's not melting them.

00:19:46.000 How does it melt these big four-foot-round girders?

00:19:49.000 Then we have the video of the molten steel, the proper coloration, The studies have been done, pouring out, founting out, like a foundry.

00:19:57.000 We have the firefighters on TV saying it was just like a foundry, like inside a volcano, just molten metal everywhere.

00:20:05.000 And then for weeks we have this molten metal.

00:20:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:20:09.000 And FEMA documents the melting of the steel, the hot sulfur corrosion attack, turning three-quarter inch girders into Swiss cheese.

00:20:17.000 This is documented by Abul Hazan Astani, the structural engineer who had unlimited access out there.

00:20:23.000 Where does all of this melted steel come from?

00:20:26.000 And more, even more importantly, what did NIST do with this documentation in appendix C of the final FEMA report in May of 2002?

00:20:34.000 They eject it.

00:20:36.000 It is not a part of the official record.

00:20:38.000 They cannot afford to acknowledge this molten metal.

00:20:42.000 In fact, their lead structural engineer, John Gross, denies that there's any evidence or witnesses of molten metal.

00:20:48.000 He denies this publicly when there's dozens of witnesses.

00:20:51.000 And plenty of photographic evidence, as you cited, flowing out of the South Tower near the jet plane impact.

00:20:57.000 The local student group, PNAC, a project for a new American citizen, they, a few years ago, questioned him about that, and he said there is no molten metal.

00:21:07.000 It didn't matter if they had the video they were trying to show him, and now there's all this footage of molten metal, but still they're in denial about it.

00:21:16.000 They're going to have to at some point acknowledge that it exists and come up with some excuse.

00:21:20.000 What we've heard so far is, oh, well, the fire was down in the debris and it was so insulated that it got hotter and hotter and hotter, which is physically impossible.

00:21:30.000 That's not how it works.

00:21:32.000 Things cool in entropy.

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00:24:55.000 It is December 19, 2008.

00:25:04.000 Richard Gage, the founder of Architects and Engineers, for 9-11 Truth is our guest.

00:25:10.000 Next hour, we're going to get into the attacks on property rights and hunting, farming, organic farms, organic small country stores being raided by SWAT teams.

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00:25:37.000 Please, only on 9-11 and government-sponsored terror issues.

00:25:40.000 Questions for our guest.

00:25:45.000 Richard, specifically, Where do you see 9-11 Truth going in the future?

00:25:53.000 We have April Gallup filing a suit. 0.98

00:25:55.000 She was in the Pentagon, one of the heroes, showing with her evidence that it's an inside job, and then how they persecuted her when she started asking questions.

00:26:04.000 It seems that 9-11 Truth is only growing and growing and growing.

00:26:08.000 Richard Gage?

00:26:09.000 It's growing by millions every year, as a matter of fact.

00:26:14.000 We had, as you mentioned, the Europeans brought us out.

00:26:18.000 We had national coverage in Madrid.

00:26:21.000 We were sell-out crowds in half of the European cities.

00:26:27.000 They're more awake over there and the media is less controlled in many of the areas of Europe, not all by any means.

00:26:36.000 We expect to have a thousand architects and engineers signed on demanding a real investigation.

00:26:43.000 By late summer, and we will take the petition to Washington, D.C., and take lots of members of the 9-11 Truth Movement with us, hold a press conference at the National Press Club, and present the petition to Congress.

00:26:59.000 So we hope to also have hundreds of our architects and engineers there with us.

00:27:04.000 So that's a big push for us.

00:27:07.000 There's a large The conference for 9-11 happening in Australia, also in November, and a very important conference in Denver, American Transparency, you must know about that one, coming up in February.

00:27:25.000 So there's a lot going on, a lot happening.

00:27:29.000 I wanted to make sure, I realize I left some of your listeners hanging relative to this molten metal, because some people say, well, who cares?

00:27:37.000 What does that mean?

00:27:38.000 It turns out that this is not melted steel.

00:27:41.000 It turns out that it's not aluminum from a jet airplane.

00:27:45.000 It's molten iron.

00:27:47.000 It's iron.

00:27:48.000 This stuff is brought up, and iron, while a component of structural steel, this is not that.

00:27:54.000 This is the byproduct of thermite.

00:27:57.000 This is pure iron with elements of aluminum, sulfur, manganese, fluorine, And even 1,3-diphenylpropane, interesting, is found.

00:28:07.000 Eric Schwartz of the EPA says they've never found that before.

00:28:11.000 All of this is the key chemical signature of thermite, a high-tech incendiary which is used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter.

00:28:22.000 And not just thermite, but thermate, the specific type.

00:28:25.000 They don't just find the thermate residue, they're finding the thermite residue.

00:28:30.000 And it's not just a thermite or thermate residue either, it is a very high-tech form of thermite, thermate, with nano-sized particles found in unignited chips.

00:28:41.000 Red on one side, gray on the other in all of the dust samples.

00:28:44.000 Unbelievable.

00:28:45.000 So we're even finding part of the unignited explosive, the thermate.

00:28:49.000 And then it turns out some of the people at NIST just so happen to be former NASA experts in thermate couplers, explosive bolts, for separating intercontinental ballistic missiles and large booster components in their second and third stages.

00:29:05.000 Just so happens that there's just a few experts in the world on thermate.

00:29:11.000 They just so happen to be the people over at NIST.

00:29:15.000 That's interesting.

00:29:16.000 It's very interesting, and you can read more about that on our website, on the technical articles.

00:29:21.000 Kevin Ryan has done some incredible work.

00:29:24.000 Our website is ae911truth.org, and people can also purchase the DVD to get more information.

00:29:35.000 We have a two-hour DVD on all of this evidence.

00:29:38.000 It's all laid out for you.

00:29:41.000 Absolutely.

00:29:42.000 Tell folks they can get that there at the site.

00:29:45.000 Yeah, right on the left side of the website, AE911Truth.org, the evidence is listed for you on the right side.

00:29:54.000 There's plenty of very important articles.

00:29:57.000 The PowerPoint presentation that I have used in 80 different presentations around the country and in Europe and Canada What is the establishment trying to do to stop you or discredit you?

00:30:16.000 I know that Mythbusters is doing a two-hour special, National Geographic is doing a special.

00:30:23.000 They wanted me to be part of it, but it's a guy that does hit pieces on Patriot groups and on JFK researchers.

00:30:30.000 And so there's no point in being interviewed so he can edit it all together.

00:30:33.000 I believe you were interviewed by these guys, though.

00:30:36.000 So there's a whole group, and that's just two of the shows.

00:30:40.000 There's several other big shows being produced trying to counter us right now.

00:30:45.000 Yes, and I'm not so sure that the gentleman that interviewed me for the National Geographic two-hour TV 9-11 documentary is producing a hit piece on this particular subject.

00:31:00.000 He has seemed fairly well-convinced to me and gave us every benefit of the doubt.

00:31:06.000 It was a very friendly interview.

00:31:08.000 I was surprised.

00:31:09.000 Have you seen the films he's made?

00:31:11.000 No.

00:31:12.000 Get ready.

00:31:13.000 Okay.

00:31:14.000 Time and time again, people will say, oh, the BBC was so nice.

00:31:17.000 And I go, no, I've seen... I go look at what they've made in the past.

00:31:20.000 He is a specialist in going after alternative media.

00:31:25.000 And I did a whole show about his inside the you know limo special that aired on Discovery Channel a few weeks ago and just the whole thing is a misrepresentation.

00:31:40.000 And then I interviewed Robert Grodin, who was the expert, one of the leading experts in the world, but helped make the film JFK, was the main consultant on that, technical consultant to Oliver Stone.

00:31:51.000 And he was there when they were in Dallas with the car doing their shots.

00:31:55.000 He said, but that's not where the shooter was.

00:31:57.000 He was here.

00:31:57.000 But wait.

00:31:58.000 I mean, it just goes on and on.

00:32:00.000 So, well, just get ready, my friend.

00:32:04.000 We'll cross our fingers and hope for the best, I guess, huh?

00:32:08.000 Absolutely, we will do that.

00:32:11.000 Incidentally, for some reason my computer's gone dead.

00:32:13.000 It had the collars on it.

00:32:17.000 The network, I am that to the guys.

00:32:18.000 Will you guys bring me a sheet with those collars on it?

00:32:20.000 Because I want to go to those here in just the next few minutes.

00:32:26.000 Richard, there's so many other facets to this, other points in your research that you haven't made that we need to go over, and then secondarily, second, I would like you to speak about the explosive growth of your organization.

00:32:41.000 Oh, you bet.

00:32:42.000 Well, relative to Building 7, let's complete this, because it's not just the fact that we have free fall, which is only one of the many smoking guns.

00:32:53.000 This building, 47 stories high, It begins immediately its descent, and it falls symmetrically and smoothly, nearly straight down, and almost into its own footprint.

00:33:05.000 This is a feat that only a handful of companies in the world can even accomplish, and it is in itself proof of controlled demolition, because in order to bring a building straight down, you have to take out, in this case, the 23 core columns within a tenth of a second of each other, Synchronistically timed, floor-by-floor.

00:33:24.000 That's the only way you can get it to come down straight.

00:33:27.000 So that is a second smoking gun, if you will.

00:33:32.000 Indeed, also, we have throughout the whole Ground Zero, all of this dust that blanketed lower Manhattan has these tiny iron-rich microspheres smaller than a human hair, most of them.

00:33:44.000 This could only have come from an aluminothermic event.

00:33:48.000 Because they have the chemical ingredients, once again, of ignited thermite.

00:33:51.000 So, there's no way that all of this dust, 20 minutes away in the Brooklyn Bridge, up on top of the skyscrapers, two, three blocks away, and filling all of the apartments, could have these billions of these spheres.

00:34:07.000 Well, how do they get to be spheres?

00:34:09.000 Well, liquid does this.

00:34:12.000 Its surface tension forms itself into a sphere.

00:34:15.000 So, in an explosive event, molten iron, which is the byproduct of thermite, is dispersed, atomized, and this is how this happens.

00:34:25.000 It's the only way it could happen.

00:34:27.000 We're told, well, the welders down on the site cutting the steel could make spheres.

00:34:31.000 Well, they can't make billions of them and send them 20 minutes away to the Brooklyn Bridge.

00:34:37.000 These explanations make no sense.

00:34:42.000 And they can't magically have the spheres be made up of the exact compounds in explosive thermite.

00:34:48.000 That's right, and attached to the unignited chips as found in the dust by Dr. Stephen Jones, and documented in peer-reviewed journals like the The Open Civil Engineering Journal and others.

00:35:03.000 Now, what effect is this having?

00:35:05.000 I mean, you've gone, in a year and a half, upwards of 500 plus members.

00:35:10.000 I interviewed you in the film Truth Rising, and then you had a couple hundred members.

00:35:15.000 Now you've got over 550 members, and as these are published in peer-reviewed journals, that's not you guys writing this.

00:35:23.000 Being seconded by prestigious journal after journal, it seems like the establishment's got a big problem here, Richard.

00:35:33.000 Yeah, I hope so, but if we're having the dialogue in a vacuum and it's not being published by the mainstream media, then is it happening?

00:35:44.000 If a tree falls and no one's there to hear it in the forest, does it make a sound?

00:35:49.000 Well, in the past it didn't, but now the alternative media is annihilating the mainstream media.

00:35:54.000 That's why they're moving in with Internet, too, in an attempt to shut down the original free web.

00:35:59.000 Yeah, and it's a huge problem.

00:36:01.000 I mean, we have to become our own media.

00:36:03.000 I know you're the major proponent of this, and we have to get this evidence out to the American people, and it's going mostly, I think, word of mouth.

00:36:12.000 In addition to alternative media, internet, it is happening, and there is pressure from underneath, if you will, on the mainstream media, so every once in a while they have to respond to it, or they look like they're not doing their job, and they don't want to have that appearance, do they?

00:36:27.000 So we get National Geographic to respond, whether it's a hit piece or not, BBC doing their hit piece, and people get to see Building 7 coming down for the first time, because it's never been played after the first day on 9-11.

00:36:42.000 Absolutely.

00:36:42.000 Talk about your organization itself that you founded, and then I want to go to phone calls.

00:36:48.000 Yes.

00:36:49.000 We are a non-partisan group of 560, I think, now.

00:36:57.000 They're architects and engineers, licensed and or degreed and we are looking at all of these pieces of evidence and virtually every architect or engineer we show this information to ends up agreeing with us if they're willing to sit down with it for a half an hour or an hour or in some cases two hours is the length we've been speaking.

00:37:24.000 They go, my God, why didn't I know about this?

00:37:27.000 Well, there's lots of reasons for that, but do you agree with the technical, science-based, forensic evidence?

00:37:34.000 Yeah, I have to!

00:37:37.000 Then let's get an investigation to find out what the other issues are, such as, obviously, if this is thermite, and Al-Qaeda didn't have access to these buildings, Al-Qaeda didn't have access to this high-tech We're talking about some kind of other operation, and the architects and engineers don't speculate too much beyond that, because it's beyond our technical credibility.

00:38:04.000 But what we can do is provide the tools for your listeners to take the AE911Truth.org link, with the power of our 560 technical professionals, to their friends, to the media, to their congressmen, and really start to move this through.

00:38:22.000 They say, take a look at this.

00:38:23.000 You don't even have to say, I'm a conspiracy theorist, and here's my conspiracy.

00:38:27.000 So you say, here's a group of technical professionals.

00:38:31.000 Look at what they're saying.

00:38:33.000 Listen to them.

00:38:34.000 Does it make any sense to you?

00:38:35.000 I found that's one of the best things to do is say my film, Endgame, or Terrorstorm, any of the work I've done.

00:38:40.000 Folks that go out and just say, hey, this is pretty wild stuff.

00:38:44.000 Tell me what you think about it.

00:38:45.000 And then you depoliticize it and then they watch it or tell them, hey, this is controversial.

00:38:50.000 This is, you know, suppressed stuff.

00:38:53.000 So that they'll watch it and then you unlock a mind and that is priceless.

00:38:57.000 I want to go to some phone calls for you now.

00:39:00.000 Let's talk to Warren in California.

00:39:02.000 Warren, you're on the air with the founder of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, Richard Gage.

00:39:07.000 Hello.

00:39:08.000 Yes, sir.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, I want to make this short but it's going to take a while.

00:39:12.000 I went on Google and I put in Global Hawk and I went down to images and there's about 20 or 12 pages of thumbnail pictures of various pictures of the Global Hawk and about a third of the picture down it says Global Hawk hits Pentagon and it has an explosion and there's a website under it.

00:39:33.000 Then on the next page there's one Global Hawk, Pentagon, 9-11, and it's painted an American Airlines paint scheme.

00:39:43.000 Well, there's a lot of debate about what happened at the Pentagon, and the way they covered up the videos, the way the witnesses said they smelled cordite, or basically gunpowder, explosives.

00:39:55.000 That is a major issue there, and we've covered it, and we've got April Gallup coming on next week, who's filed suit over this.

00:40:01.000 She was in the Pentagon, and didn't see any plane, didn't see any wreckage, and they told her to shut up about it.

00:40:06.000 But, you know, the stronger evidence really is the controlled demolition, and then separately the fact that our government, which is illegitimate, has staged terror attacks over and over again that are declassified and admitted.

00:40:17.000 I mean, there are hundreds of examples where they admit they staged terror attacks on our troops, on our ships, or on other countries to blame it on their enemies.

00:40:26.000 We have an illegitimate government that's doing this, a group of terrorists.

00:40:30.000 And so I find that to be the strongest politically, to make people understand it, that, well, hey, If I'm a cop and I'm looking for a serial killer, and we find a murder that has the same M.O.

00:40:44.000 of the other serial killings, then we go look at the usual suspect.

00:40:48.000 These guys have done this over and over again, so that's why we do that.

00:40:51.000 Richard Gage, your comments on the Pentagon?

00:40:55.000 You're right, it is a little bit of a mess, Alex.

00:40:59.000 There's clearly cover-up going on at the Pentagon.

00:41:02.000 They had hundreds of cameras that would have told us what did or didn't hit the Pentagon.

00:41:08.000 And they're not releasing them, only the unclear five frames.

00:41:15.000 It's a joke.

00:41:16.000 They came and took the FBI, after five or ten minutes, the cameras from the hotel and the gas station nearby.

00:41:25.000 So, we have enough very hard evidence, as you mentioned, at the three worst structural failures in modern history, the high-rises, that have not been properly investigated, and then that have their own set of cover-ups to go with.

00:41:43.000 And so, there's some controversy within the 9-11 Truth Movement about the Pentagon.

00:41:49.000 So our particular organization focuses on the high-rises instead, where there is very little controversy about the mechanisms for how these buildings were taken down.

00:42:00.000 All right, Warren.

00:42:01.000 Thank you so much.

00:42:02.000 Anything else from California?

00:42:05.000 All right, he's gone.

00:42:06.000 Let's talk, well we're going to go to break here.

00:42:07.000 We're going to come back quickly to Randy, Ralph, we're going to go to Derek first, who says he's a structural engineer.

00:42:13.000 I don't know if he agrees or disagrees.

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00:42:33.000 But I want to hold Richard Gage.

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00:42:36.000 Can you stay five minutes to the next hour?

00:42:37.000 Oh, you bet, Alex.

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00:46:35.000 Hi Alex, first I'd like to thank you and Richard for spreading and keeping the 9-11 movement strong so long.

00:46:38.000 the truth you also support this transmission let's go ahead and talk to Randy in Michigan you're on the air with Richard Gage go ahead Randy hi Alex first I'd like to thank you you and Richard for spreading the and keeping the 9/11 movement strong so long I mean it's I know people are saying it's seven years or you know it's been a while but my question for Richard I'd just like to know the name of some more your books and I had a comment after that as well

00:47:04.000 Well, several videos have been made with Richard's work, and we have those available at InfoWars.com.

00:47:09.000 Their latest film is 9-11 Blueprint for Truth, available at AE911Truth.org.

00:47:15.000 Richard?

00:47:16.000 Yes, that's true.

00:47:17.000 It's all right there.

00:47:18.000 We have not written a book yet.

00:47:22.000 Well, related to that question, I was just wondering, because I purposely go to the library to ask for, you know, 9-11-related books, and, you know, so when the library's crowded, I'll get weird looks from the librarian, because I'll know the title of the book, and I'll say, well, what books do you have from Vincent Bugliosi?

00:47:36.000 So then she has to say the title, and people look at me like, what?

00:47:38.000 You know, President Bush wanted for murder?

00:47:40.000 And, you know, I kind of pull a backwards trick for that, but, um, you know, I first off recommend going to see Endgame first for anybody that's getting into this, because If you watch it, it kind of starts and gives you, you know, it resets the history so you really know what happened before you go see all this natural stuff and you can see how it relates.

00:47:57.000 Yeah, it gives it to you in a historical perspective.

00:47:59.000 Got to jump.

00:48:00.000 Good to hear from you.

00:48:01.000 Let's go to a structural engineer, Derek from Texas.

00:48:04.000 You're on the air with Richard Gage.

00:48:05.000 Go ahead, Derek.

00:48:07.000 Hi, Alex, Richard.

00:48:08.000 Thank you so much for letting me on your air and thank you so much for all the great work that y'all do.

00:48:13.000 As a correction, I'm not a structural engineer.

00:48:16.000 That's usually a civil engineer's test.

00:48:19.000 My screen just said that, so somebody said that or something close to that to the person answering the phone.

00:48:25.000 Yeah, I'm a mechanical engineer, but I do, as a certified welding inspector, go to building and structures and review the structural engineer's recommendations and enforce the contract documents by making sure Uh, that they get followed.

00:48:37.000 And I'll write a report that says that the structural engineer's recommendations are followed or not followed and make recommendations as to how they can be remedied.

00:48:45.000 Um, but I want to get to the, uh, quick and skinny about the NIS report that came out just a couple months ago.

00:48:51.000 What they're suggesting is that this column 79 on floor 23, which had many attachments, this is a column that was attached to, or excuse me, a floor beam, which they said expanded from a linear thermal expansion from these office fires.

00:49:05.000 As far as my knowledge, the only thing inside these offices are normal consumables, like books, papers, carpet, etc.

00:49:12.000 Which smolder and burn at 800 degrees, 900 degrees, all hail thermal expansion, a new scientific development in the history of building fires.

00:49:23.000 Yes, and they're suggesting that all this overcame a connection at Column 79, which was also attached to four other floor beams, as well as the deck connections, which are all welded.

00:49:35.000 Which are about every two feet.

00:49:36.000 They're all welded.

00:49:38.000 And, you know, there's many, many connections.

00:49:39.000 Not to mention a five-inch thick concrete slab that has reinforcement of steel rebar or post-tension tendons.

00:49:48.000 What we need to do is have a finite element method survey that's applied to this geometry and then put different initial load conditions in and run the FEA software and say, we already know that this is silly, but a good FEA survey will prove this is silly.

00:50:03.000 And this is something that I promoted on Neocon Radio, and I enjoy doing it when I can.

00:50:08.000 Well, the criminals running the government, it's not our government, they engage in a cover-up of everything, so we can't find out specifically.

00:50:17.000 Richard Gage.

00:50:19.000 We have to get the information from NIST in order to do the FEA, and they are closing it.

00:50:25.000 It is not available whatsoever.

00:50:27.000 They've locked it up, and this is a public investigation, and this information must be made public.

00:50:34.000 All right, stay there.

00:50:34.000 We'll be right back.

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00:51:55.000 Final segment with Richard Gage, architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth, commenting on what the last gentleman was saying.

00:52:18.000 Richard, before we go to a few final calls.

00:52:21.000 Well, he was highlighting the unviability of the thesis of NIST.

00:52:27.000 First of all, the photographic evidence of the fires on the 12th and 13th floor Indicate that the fires were out for the last hour and a half of the life of the building.

00:52:37.000 And yet, their fire simulations fraudulently shows massive fires around Column 79, as you suggested, for well more than the 20 minute duration that a fire can exist in any one place.

00:52:53.000 Because it consumes the low quantities of consumables and moves on.

00:52:57.000 It creeps around, but they have this continuous, across the board, massive inferno.

00:53:04.000 Yes, and so this massive inferno, let's say, okay, maybe it was there, but it's not just one building, it's not just one building, it's three doing this.

00:53:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:13.000 But in Building 7, what they're saying is that this fire elongated the beams, pushed the girder off its seat on the column, And then that caused floor 13 to fall, and 12, 12 to fall, and 11, etc.

00:53:26.000 for nine floors inside the building, leaving column 79 unbraced, and so then it buckles.

00:53:33.000 But all of this action would have deformed the exterior of the building, and that's not what happens.

00:53:39.000 But it does happen in a computer model.

00:53:41.000 Interestingly enough, there's severe warping, indentation, and bulging.

00:53:45.000 And tipping, actually, of the upper part of the building.

00:53:49.000 They could not get their computer model to match what actually happened in the video, because clearly that building would have tipped over in any kind of collapse caused by fire, and that's why they don't even show us what happens above about the 20th floor, because it was clearly tipping as a result of all the bulging and indentation.

00:54:07.000 All right, let's go to a final call.

00:54:10.000 Mike in Illinois.

00:54:11.000 Mike, you're on the air, go ahead.

00:54:14.000 Yes.

00:54:14.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:54:15.000 I appreciate it.

00:54:16.000 Richard, I have a couple questions for you.

00:54:18.000 I'm going to try to make it brief because I know the time variable here.

00:54:21.000 I remember seeing the trade centers come down.

00:54:24.000 They look like trees being turned into sawdust from the top down, which was sort of incredible to me.

00:54:29.000 And I know that I don't actually believe that the thermite could alone do this.

00:54:34.000 There had to be some other facet to it.

00:54:35.000 to it, you'd have 550,000 tons being turned into dust, you know, which is just like unbelievable.

00:54:44.000 I understand it was built in a bathtub.

00:54:47.000 So if this had fallen into this bathtub, it might have cracked.

00:54:51.000 Well, here's the deal.

00:54:52.000 Instantly as it starts collapsing Tower 1 and 2, not just 7, instantly as Tower 1 and 2 start detonating with blast squibs, clearly 4, 5, in some cases 10 floors below, it's pulverizing with explosive force.

00:55:06.000 Little fires don't eject pyroclastic flows of pulverized office furniture, desks, people blown into tiny pieces.

00:55:15.000 Richard Gage.

00:55:16.000 And they don't eject 4 and 20 ton perimeter steel beams 55 miles an hour exiting instant acceleration out of the sides of the Twin Tower landing 600 feet away.

00:55:27.000 That doesn't happen.

00:55:29.000 But I think the caller's suggesting that there's something in addition to high-tech thermite, which becomes very explosive, by the way.

00:55:37.000 So we don't know because the tests aren't available to us.

00:55:39.000 This is very new stuff.

00:55:42.000 We just know the official story doesn't match the science on any area.

00:55:47.000 That's correct.

00:55:48.000 But it could be that the explosive nature of the high-tech thermite could be enough.

00:55:54.000 I mean, we don't really know.

00:55:55.000 We don't necessarily have evidence of high-energy explosives like C4 or RDX.

00:56:02.000 So there could be something else going on that's high-tech and more explosive.

00:56:07.000 Who knows?

00:56:08.000 We have the evidence for high-tech thermite.

00:56:10.000 Let's run with it.

00:56:11.000 Thank you, Mike.

00:56:12.000 We're out of time.

00:56:13.000 Kevin, Jim, and others, we'll get to you later if you want to hold or not.

00:56:15.000 You can leave because we're getting into some other subjects.

00:56:18.000 But Richard Gage, I want to have you back up again in the near future.

00:56:20.000 We commend you for your tireless work for the truth and for liberty.

00:56:23.000 9-11 has been used to destroy our Bill of Rights and Constitution and launch us on a path towards criminal world government. 0.55

00:56:30.000 Not only by exposing this great new mythos they've created, this new religion of tyranny, can liberty then grow again in our fine land and worldwide.

00:56:39.000 So, I commend you, my friend, and we salute you.

00:56:42.000 Vaya con Dios!

00:56:43.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:56:44.000 It's an honor to be with you always.

00:56:46.000 Honor to be with you.

00:56:47.000 Take care, Richard Gage.

00:56:48.000 We'll be right back.

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01:00:13.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:18.000 Hey, I got to finish my lunch in that three-minute break, ladies and gentlemen.

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01:00:40.000 I remember about 15 years ago when the Forest Service, Department of Land Management, local game wardens started setting up SWAT teams.

01:00:51.000 People out in the back of a boat fishing would have guys run up, a man with a small child that was in I think the NRA magazine a few years ago pointed machine guns at him.

01:01:01.000 They're raiding farmers and ranchers claiming they don't have permits for organic eggs.

01:01:06.000 They're raiding local co-ops that are selling their eggs or milk.

01:01:12.000 And they're hiring all these bureaucracies.

01:01:14.000 It's just radically expanding.

01:01:17.000 And now when you talk to a game warden, because we have a piece of property we've had since 1829 in East Texas, Mexican land grant, they're rude.

01:01:30.000 They'll pull up at the deer camp.

01:01:31.000 They'll get out and go, I want to see everything you're doing.

01:01:34.000 I want to make sure the tags are right on this deer.

01:01:37.000 I mean, it just goes on and on and on.

01:01:43.000 You know, the landowner, with the tag on the deer, was driving it for my great-uncle to the local processor.

01:01:53.000 You know, they gutted it, but they wanted to have it turned into sausage, so he was taking it.

01:01:57.000 State police jumped on him, screamed at him, acted like he was a criminal, said, you're going to jail, and then told him it was illegal for him to be transporting a deer that wasn't his, and he said, I'm the landowner.

01:02:06.000 I know the law.

01:02:08.000 And, you know, I'm taking it here.

01:02:10.000 Didn't matter if my uncle was even known to the state police officer and our family been there forever. 1.00

01:02:15.000 It's about letting us know we're trash and scum and that they own us. 0.98

01:02:20.000 Now, it's not enough that they now run a background check on you when you buy a license all over the country. 0.99

01:02:26.000 Feds pushed it, states passed it, most of them.

01:02:30.000 So now if you haven't paid your child support or if you've got some background or you can't go buy the Hunting license and the hunting license is everywhere just exploding in price.

01:02:43.000 This is all designed to go after law abiding people.

01:02:45.000 So see they train you how to be a slave, how to be a serf, just like in jolly old England.

01:02:50.000 Where only the nobles can hunt.

01:02:52.000 Now they want you, and it's happening all over the country, to register your property, just like the animal ID or the premises ID.

01:02:58.000 And when you register, you waive all these rights.

01:03:01.000 And now, not just the game wardens, but the Forest Service and others, so they can come on your land without warrants whenever they want.

01:03:07.000 I mean, this is criminal. 0.99

01:03:10.000 And these are nothing but parasites. 0.99

01:03:13.000 The deer are jumping out in front of cars, killing people every day across the nation. 0.96

01:03:17.000 Wolves, coyotes are running wild in Austin.

01:03:20.000 You walk out back my house in Southwest Austin every night and hear the coyotes going wild or eating people's dogs and cats.

01:03:27.000 They pay trappers thousands of dollars per deer to come trap the white tail, fly them to Mexico.

01:03:32.000 They're so stressed out by the time they get there they die.

01:03:35.000 So they're not letting humans be predators.

01:03:37.000 They're not letting anything else happen.

01:03:39.000 Everything is falling apart.

01:03:41.000 And I'm aware of a case, similarly, where they're trying to pass things like this in Missouri.

01:03:46.000 And people are fighting back there in Missouri against this.

01:03:49.000 And Russell Wood, the President of the Property Rights Congress, and Again, you have to register your farm, you have to register your ranch, it can be 10 acres.

01:04:00.000 If you want to put a deer blind out back for your grandson, you go register with them and you waive all your rights and they say it's a privilege.

01:04:08.000 And then of course they can start fining, feeing, and taxing.

01:04:12.000 So I briefly wanted to have him on for about 15-20 minutes to talk about that, because even if you don't hunt, you've been conditioned to hate hunting, just like they did in England. 0.88

01:04:20.000 Now they've banned hunting, they're back to feudalism, but the king, the queen, the royals can still hunt, they've banned most forms of hunting.

01:04:27.000 You can go buy a steak at the store and that's okay, but don't shoot it yourself, it's supposedly cruel.

01:04:31.000 Again, they want to dehumanize us, they want to kill our rural culture.

01:04:35.000 They want us totally under their control.

01:04:38.000 In the 20s and 30s when we had the depression, 90% of people were agrarian, on the land, self-sufficient, and 7 million starved to death, according to a major university study that was out a few months ago.

01:04:48.000 Now, 90 plus percent of us live in the cities, and of the 10% that live in the country, only half of those, or 5% of the country, are what you'd call self-sufficient.

01:04:56.000 And they want to shut that down.

01:04:59.000 And again, words can't describe all the things that are happening.

01:05:01.000 The harassment.

01:05:03.000 You try to go to a national park or state park now, the rangers are rude to you. 0.77

01:05:06.000 The humans are bad. 0.97

01:05:08.000 We're bad. 0.99

01:05:09.000 We're not supposed to be out there. 0.84

01:05:10.000 We're evil serfs.

01:05:11.000 This is a mode of control of the population.

01:05:14.000 But the good news is, in Missouri, they're beating these initiatives.

01:05:18.000 In Texas, we're gilded and it's very sad. 0.98

01:05:21.000 Our people have become very cowardly and slave-like.

01:05:25.000 There's no law you have to have the animal ID federally, but all these states have adopted it.

01:05:30.000 Many have.

01:05:31.000 Texas adopted it.

01:05:32.000 And there's no law, but they still come and harass you.

01:05:35.000 And when you sign it, then you waive your rights to your property.

01:05:38.000 Thousand, two thousand dollar a day fines if a cow dies and you don't report it.

01:05:42.000 You have to put chips in all your animals, but the big agribusiness doesn't, so it's bankrupt.

01:05:47.000 The small farms and ranches, they're now SWAT teaming again, organic farmers, that's coming up in 20 minutes.

01:05:52.000 So this is very, very serious.

01:05:53.000 I wanted to preface that before we bring Russell Wood up.

01:05:57.000 Russell, good to have you here, sir.

01:05:59.000 Tell us exactly what you're facing there in Missouri.

01:06:03.000 The Conservation Department is trying to get some new regulations in place And the way the latest department is set up here, they're free of the legislature.

01:06:16.000 Our lawmakers really have almost no control, well virtually no control, over their rules, regulations and or their spending.

01:06:26.000 They've been giving a never-ending one-eighth cent sales tax with no control from any elected officials.

01:06:36.000 It's theirs to spend. 0.95

01:06:38.000 So they are pretty much free to do as they please, and right now they're proposing a new set of hunting regulations on deer and turkey, where they say, for one thing, that you must own at least 80 acres to qualify for a no-cost landowner deer permit, deer tag, or turkey tag.

01:07:06.000 This is something that we're just simply not going to, we're just not going to stand for.

01:07:12.000 They're also saying that we must register our property if we want this, if we want to hunt on our own property.

01:07:24.000 The way they say it, they say landowner, hunters wanting to receive landowner deer and turkey permit privileges.

01:07:34.000 They're going to extend us a privilege.

01:07:37.000 We must first register our property with the landowner registry.

01:07:45.000 And on this registering, they want, now this is off of their literature, they want property location, section, township, range.

01:07:57.000 They want number of acres at that location. 0.98

01:08:02.000 They want the status of each person there, whether it's immediate, household, whatever.

01:08:11.000 Then they will be able to have their point of sale system so that when you walk in there, they have verification that you actually own land.

01:08:20.000 They say that people have cheated on this before.

01:08:26.000 Oh yeah, it's always how we all have to be treated like criminals, guilty until proven innocent, to stop a few, quote, cheats.

01:08:33.000 I mean, you heard me do that whole rant earlier, sir, about the way they're treating people, the way they're acting, all these new bureaucrats, they're just, I mean, they need to get off our back.

01:08:42.000 And just what you just read, they're saying it's a privilege to hunt on your own land, because it's our land.

01:08:47.000 You pay property taxes on it, And then we come in there and then we give you permission to hunt on your own land.

01:08:54.000 If you want to receive permit privileges.

01:08:58.000 Yeah.

01:08:59.000 Yeah.

01:09:00.000 But they closed this little part by saying requiring persons to declare their specific land ownership up front will make it, now get this, easier for department personnel to verify land ownership.

01:09:14.000 They don't say anything about this is a good deal for managing livestock.

01:09:19.000 How about you go to the state and get half these people fired in this economy? 0.74

01:09:26.000 There's no commercial poaching going on that I know of anymore.

01:09:29.000 All they do is harass people.

01:09:31.000 They can go arrest good old boys shooting deer off the highway on other people's property all day.

01:09:36.000 That's fine and dandy, but no, they're there to harass. 1.00

01:09:38.000 They hate landowners.

01:09:38.000 You can tell.

01:09:40.000 They hate America. 1.00

01:09:41.000 They're a bunch of communist filth, and I'm calling them out. 1.00

01:09:44.000 Get out of our country, you dirtbag trash. 1.00

01:09:47.000 We're not in 1200 England. 0.99

01:09:50.000 During their whole tirade on this, it's all about money, and they make veil threats of what programs they should discontinue and so forth.

01:10:01.000 Their director, the director, gets paid $150,000 a year.

01:10:06.000 They have 2,300 employees.

01:10:12.000 Oh, just 2,300 parasitic environmental wackos extenuers. 0.86

01:10:17.000 Again, they don't care about real environmental problems. 0.95

01:10:19.000 I've run into them. 0.96

01:10:20.000 These are hate-filled, sandal-wearing, long-haired communists. 0.90

01:10:24.000 I'm not saying they're bad if they wear sandals and have long hair, but that type. 0.96

01:10:27.000 And they go get a gun and a uniform, and literally, folks, I've run into them. 1.00

01:10:31.000 They are scum. 1.00

01:10:32.000 Go ahead. 1.00

01:10:33.000 Well, so many of these, you know, the old conservation game wardens we used to have around here.

01:10:40.000 Actually, we're interested in the wildlife and in managing wildlife and that sort of thing.

01:10:46.000 Well, I heard Gary Brownfield talking about it himself.

01:10:48.000 He worked for one of these big, you know, in Missouri.

01:10:54.000 And he said you couldn't have paid them in the 60s when he was there to go out and do stuff like this and harass people.

01:11:00.000 Many of these new ones are, they're the younger folks that have never been off asphalt in their life.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, they come out of the big cities, they hate America, they hate hunting, and they're here to harass landowners. 0.99

01:11:10.000 They need to get their ass off our property. 1.00

01:11:14.000 But our response to this is that we will buy no deer or turkey tags, period. 0.98

01:11:23.000 And there will also be no hunting on our property, on our private property, By anyone who has a deer or turkey tactic.

01:11:33.000 And you guys have successfully used that tactic before.

01:11:36.000 If all these greedy creatures care about some money, you'll just boycott them. 0.96

01:11:41.000 We're just not going to buy their tags.

01:11:43.000 We're going to post our land so that no one can out there accept ourselves. 0.99

01:11:50.000 We're going to come back and talk more about what you're doing on the other side.

01:11:50.000 Alright, stay there sir.

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01:15:58.000 Russell Wood, I want to have you back on for a full hour to go over this more in the future, but in the short segment we have, more about your fight against these people I mean, look, it's time for us to stop being so nice, too.

01:16:28.000 When you see these DNR people or these game wardens that are out of control, I'd walk right up to them in the local cafe and say, I'm tired of you enslaving this country and sucking off of us, and it's time for us to start shunning them and being aggressive like our founding fathers did, not just saying, well, we won't hunt this year.

01:16:43.000 I know people have done that in other states, and I remember a few years ago in Missouri, Wasn't there something similar along these lines that made them back off?

01:16:53.000 No, I don't think so.

01:16:55.000 I don't remember it.

01:16:56.000 I've seen some other cases.

01:16:57.000 Well, I'll tell you what makes me mad.

01:16:58.000 I read the stories about states where they don't pass the animal ID or premises ID to waive all your rights and go under their control.

01:17:05.000 And then they'll tell, okay, the 4-H club, you've all got to sign your parents' property over to us so you can't show your cows or pigs.

01:17:12.000 Oh yeah, I'm deeply immersed in this animal ID thing.

01:17:14.000 pig she wins they wait and they grab her put her hands behind her back and throw her off the property to make it look like she's a criminal these are bullies i mean you're you know about those cases i bet oh yeah we've had yeah we're i'm deeply immersed in this animal id thing yeah um yeah it's uh and it comes from all angles comes from every side doesn't it well that's why i'm I mean, it's feudalism.

01:17:14.000 And it comes from all angles.

01:17:41.000 It's total serfdom. 0.96

01:17:42.000 Yeah.

01:17:44.000 Well, in the minutes we've got left, how do folks contact you?

01:17:47.000 How do they get involved?

01:17:48.000 We're on a few stations up in Missouri.

01:17:50.000 How do people support you?

01:17:52.000 Well, if they'll just, I'll give them my phone number and they can just call and we'll be getting word out as we progress.

01:18:01.000 We hope to be getting some no trespassing or no hunting signs fixed.

01:18:06.000 All with the same wording on Well, it's hard to say.

01:18:09.000 We're not a real close-knit group.

01:18:10.000 of Department of Conservation regulations, that sort of thing, you know.

01:18:14.000 And you're getting a whole bunch of signs made up to do that.

01:18:17.000 Yes.

01:18:18.000 Now, your organization's pretty big.

01:18:20.000 How many members?

01:18:20.000 Well, we have, it's hard to say we're not a real close-knit group.

01:18:25.000 We have well over 1,000 property owners involved, and we get more than that when we start having rallies and gatherings, you know.

01:18:36.000 That's right.

01:18:37.000 You guys have had some big victories in Missouri against these criminals.

01:18:41.000 Yes, we have.

01:18:42.000 Yes, we have.

01:18:43.000 Tell folks about those briefly.

01:18:46.000 Okay.

01:18:48.000 The one major one that we had had to do with the watershed district that had been put into effect legally, a freestanding entity with the rule-making rights and privileges established by the state.

01:19:09.000 We didn't know about this until it was already in effect, and we went to work with legislators and pointing out what they had really done, and as happens too often, it had been fast without those voting for it really realizing what it said and what it did.

01:19:31.000 And we were able to get that reversed.

01:19:37.000 Nine counties were brought into this one big district, and some of the county commissioners didn't even know it was going on, hadn't even been contacted.

01:19:46.000 As I say, we did get that reversed to prevent establishing a freestanding unit with the ability to make laws governing that district.

01:20:00.000 And then they were to let people know what the rules were.

01:20:03.000 This is a coming thing.

01:20:05.000 This is an offshoot or actually an integral part of the Agenda 21 concepts of doing away with county boundaries.

01:20:18.000 And here in Missouri right now, they're trying to blur the line between Missouri and Arkansas on watershed issues.

01:20:30.000 We're so involved with the National Animal Identification System, and the efforts, combined efforts, not just us but others, we've been able to get a law passed here in Missouri to prevent mandatory premise registration for the National Animal Identification System.

01:20:51.000 That's right, because there's not a law, but by color of law they try to fool and terrorize people into thinking there's a law, so you have to pass a law saying this is a fraud, there isn't a law.

01:21:00.000 Yeah, and now the USDA has issued directives to the veterinarians and so forth to go ahead, now this is their wording, they say go ahead and assign a premise number to those who do not want one and put a little asterisk by it saying it was not And that's indentured servitude, making the professionals go out and enforce things that aren't even laws.

01:21:30.000 Let's do a minute or two on the other side if you can, because I want to give out your phone number so folks can contact you.

01:21:35.000 Russell's also a former school teacher, owner of Cable Enterprises, former owner of radio stations and movie theaters, and he's out there fighting Big Brother.

01:21:47.000 We're on the march.

01:21:48.000 The empire's on the run.

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01:22:06.000 We've been so beaten up by stock market banking, housing and unemployment crashes that we're desensitized and frozen inactive like the frog being unknowingly cooked in gradually increasingly hot water.

01:22:17.000 We'll snap out of it.

01:22:18.000 We now have a deadline.

01:22:19.000 Joe Biden said it's going to happen.

01:22:21.000 Former Secretary of State Colin Powell went on CBS Meet the Press and pointed to about January 22nd as the time a major international incident would force the new president to make unpopular decisions.

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01:23:55.000 A day unlike any other in the long course of American history, a terrorist act of war against this country.

01:24:03.000 The enemy struck America on September 11th.

01:24:06.000 But who is the enemy?

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01:24:08.000 This is his ammo.

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01:24:53.000 All those drifter's days are past me now.

01:25:19.000 I've got so much We've only got about 26 and a half minutes left in the broadcast today.

01:25:35.000 I could talk for hours with Russell Wood, former president of the Ozark chapter, of a group that is fighting against the NIS, the Animal ID, the Primus Society, all of it.

01:25:50.000 Russell Wood, go ahead and fire out the phone number for Missourians out there that are listening and people around the country.

01:25:56.000 Similar things are happening everywhere that are fighting against this feudalism, forcing people without a law to have Animal ID, microchips in their animals, Prima Society, making you register your property to be able to hunt on your own property.

01:26:07.000 Then we're going to go to our next guest, And the director, Maurice Thompson, of the Buckeye Institute for Constitutional Law, and that deals with this amazing case that WorldNetDaily and others have been covering.

01:26:20.000 Well, WorldNetDaily finally got on it yesterday.

01:26:22.000 We've been covering it for two weeks.

01:26:23.000 We're going to have armed officers raid home, hold mom kids for six hours, overselling organic eggs and things like that. 1.00

01:26:34.000 SWAT team holding them at gunpoint for more than six hours.

01:26:37.000 We'll talk about that with a constitutional law expert who is filing a case against this particular state that's done this.

01:26:45.000 And there's just too many of these cases to even cover them all.

01:26:46.000 We're just covering a few of them today.

01:26:48.000 People being arrested or fined or feed for giving their neighbors milk.

01:26:51.000 I mean, it's total control.

01:26:53.000 This whole thing is pointed at the American people.

01:26:56.000 But Russell Wood, give out your number for folks that want to be able to help you fight back against what's happening.

01:27:02.000 My number is area code 417-948-2379.

01:27:10.000 And we're getting some no hunting posters made up that we hope to get distributed throughout the state to let them see that these are areas that are going to be taken out of use, you know, for those who buy their tags from the state.

01:27:28.000 Let them go hunt on state property.

01:27:30.000 All right.

01:27:31.000 Give your number out again one more time, sir, and then I want to have you back up because I know you've been leading the fight in Missouri against the animal ID and premises ID successfully.

01:27:39.000 So I want to have you back up separately in the next few weeks on that subject.

01:27:41.000 Okay.

01:27:42.000 I'll give your number.

01:27:43.000 417-948-2379.

01:27:47.000 822-379.

01:27:49.000 All right, Russell, we'll talk to you again soon.

01:27:51.000 Thanks for the time.

01:27:51.000 Thank you.

01:27:51.000 Thanks for the time.

01:27:51.000 Thank you.

01:27:52.000 You bet.

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01:29:58.000 Okay, we are joined next by Mortise Thompson, Director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law, working with the Buckeye Institute on the case of the Manistore House.

01:30:09.000 A few years ago, this farming family, organic farmers, started buying other peoples and producing their own organic foods, eggs and things like that.

01:30:19.000 And they had a little storehouse in their home, and they would sell a few thousand dollars a month to their neighbors.

01:30:23.000 Or they would pool together to buy organic food and bring it into their community with just a few of their neighbors.

01:30:29.000 Well, they got SWAT teamed brutally.

01:30:31.000 And again, I see these cases all the time.

01:30:34.000 I mean, we can have thousands dead on the Texas border from the drug war.

01:30:40.000 We're going to have all sorts of corruption everywhere.

01:30:42.000 Trillions being stolen by brokerage firms.

01:30:44.000 Just out and out criminality, but the system is all focused on squeezing the cattle, milking the American people.

01:30:50.000 So, Maurice Thompson, thank you for coming on with us.

01:30:53.000 No problem, Alex.

01:30:54.000 How do you do?

01:30:55.000 Good, sir.

01:30:56.000 Break down the facts of what happened in this case.

01:30:58.000 Tell us about why you've joined the case and where this is going.

01:31:02.000 Certainly.

01:31:02.000 Well, let me talk about that latter part first, and then I'll come back and circle around to the facts.

01:31:07.000 First of all, your segue into this couldn't have been any better, even your advertisements, because that's what this is really about, is the most basic and fundamental of human rights.

01:31:16.000 And it's a battle over what behavior we can engage in without a government permission slip.

01:31:22.000 And this simple behavior is the behavior that our grandparents engaged in, and Americans for generations have.

01:31:28.000 You know, which is riding down the road and picking up some food from the local farmer.

01:31:33.000 The Buckeye Institute is an organization in Ohio dedicated to limited government, dedicated to free markets, and generally the right to be left alone by the government, so long as you're not hurting anybody else.

01:31:45.000 And the reason we picked up on this case is because it implicates a couple really important concerns.

01:31:51.000 One that I've already mentioned, which is what activity, what basic activity, really deserves to be licensed And can be licensed under the Constitution.

01:32:00.000 And the second is, when is it constitutionally permissible for officers to use this kind of force in raiding somebody's personal home?

01:32:10.000 Now, if I can circle back around and talk about the facts of this case, the Stowers family is a family that lives in a very rural Amish part of Ohio.

01:32:17.000 They themselves aren't Amish, but they're very religious.

01:32:21.000 They have a great number of children in the house.

01:32:23.000 They have eight of their own children.

01:32:25.000 Six are young and still live there.

01:32:27.000 And four grandchildren that are staying in the home while the second oldest son is over serving in Iraq.

01:32:32.000 His wife is staying with them.

01:32:34.000 They're related to homeschool their children.

01:32:37.000 They are classically independent, off-the-grid people.

01:32:40.000 They don't rely on the government for their food or for their education.

01:32:43.000 They've run this co-op, this family-run food co-op, for six to seven years, and they have their own 20-some acre small farm where they have sheep that they butcher for meat, and goats, and they can get milk from them as well.

01:32:56.000 And they've also got connections to Amish farmers who have grass-fed cattle and pastured chickens and pesticide-free produce.

01:33:06.000 And they procure all these things through their co-ops.

01:33:09.000 And Joseph Stalin wouldn't have liked this.

01:33:12.000 Hitler wouldn't have liked this.

01:33:13.000 For those that don't know, authoritarian states always shackle and control small farms.

01:33:19.000 They hate people being independent.

01:33:21.000 This is 180 degrees the opposite of what this republic is supposed to be.

01:33:26.000 This is outrageous.

01:33:28.000 That's exactly right.

01:33:28.000 You know, Thomas Jefferson envisioned a nation of small farmers.

01:33:34.000 Right, exactly.

01:33:35.000 And now what we have is small farmers being squeezed by these regulations.

01:33:39.000 And, you know, it's one of two things. 0.95

01:33:41.000 It really is either a government interest in really tightly controlling the food supply, or it's just government as a big dumb animal that backs its way into unsafe situations.

01:33:51.000 Well, to interrupt, I have a lot of their own documents where they say they've got to break down the family, break down the farm.

01:33:56.000 The family's a disease, and they know people are exiting the cities They're kind of going into Amish light by the hundreds of thousands a year.

01:34:04.000 They see that trend going into the millions a year.

01:34:07.000 I'm considering evacuating to the countryside, and I live right here in Austin, Texas, just because the cities are so degenerate, the culture is so evil, the crime is exploding, and they don't like it.

01:34:17.000 The system does not want people going back to the land.

01:34:20.000 Well, but it's not, you know, it's not just nefarious government officials.

01:34:25.000 It's government officials who are persuaded by special interest groups And government really should not be the pliable tool of special interest groups, but all too often it is.

01:34:35.000 If you look at the regulations they're charged with violating, they're charged with being a retail food establishment without a license.

01:34:42.000 First of all, they're not even a retail food establishment.

01:34:45.000 They're basically a members-only, private membership organization, buying club.

01:34:51.000 It's as though, you know, if you and I wanted to buy the right kind of beef from an Amish farmer, we have to buy the whole cow. 0.96

01:34:57.000 Hey, this is free association! 0.74

01:34:59.000 If I want to go buy a duck, or a chicken, or a cow, or a pig, or their eggs, or if I want to get together with ten families to pool money to buy organic food, I mean, this is ridiculous! 0.98

01:35:10.000 This is disgusting! 0.97

01:35:12.000 That's exactly right. 0.88

01:35:13.000 Let's get under the radar.

01:35:13.000 I'll quit interrupting.

01:35:14.000 That's exactly right.

01:35:16.000 And, you know, the thing I was going to mention is that there are actually 22 exemptions to this retail food establishment law.

01:35:23.000 But you know, as Nobel economist Milton Friedman pointed out many years ago, the guys that are writing the licensure laws most of the time are the industry people themselves, and they're lobbyists.

01:35:36.000 Everybody with a lobbyist sits down at the table and writes the law, and guess who gets left out of that process?

01:35:41.000 The small family farmer, the organic cooper, cooperative runner, who doesn't have a lobbyist down in Columbus or down in Washington, To exempt them.

01:35:53.000 So you've got a number of people, you know, the government will argue this is a public safety issue, but the truth is there are a whole slew of people who run more dangerous food operations.

01:36:03.000 If dangerous at all, then the Stowers family... Well look, they've shut down most of the family farms with regulations.

01:36:09.000 We know Animal ID and Premises ID was openly written by big agribusiness to put expenses on small farms and ranches to bankrupt them.

01:36:17.000 That's what big corporations always do.

01:36:18.000 Let's get into the raid itself and where you're going with this.

01:36:22.000 Absolutely.

01:36:22.000 Well, it's important to know some of the facts leading up to the raid.

01:36:26.000 The Health Department came out and investigated these people.

01:36:28.000 We don't know why.

01:36:30.000 There was never a report filed against them.

01:36:32.000 None of their members are disgruntled.

01:36:33.000 They're very, very happy with the products they get from this family because the food's cheap, and it's good for them, and they're happy.

01:36:39.000 Just how dare Americans be working with their neighbors and selling chicken eggs! 0.98

01:36:43.000 That's Al-Qaeda! 0.84

01:36:44.000 The government's got to run everything! 0.50

01:36:46.000 Right.

01:36:47.000 God forbid we have freedom to contract among two consenting adults who want to protect their own health interests.

01:36:52.000 Well, you know, there was never any report filed, but the health department came out He said they might need a license.

01:37:00.000 The family responded by writing a letter to the health department.

01:37:03.000 Asking for clarification on the law, and asking for evidence.

01:37:05.000 Look, just being able to write probably angered the Health Department, because the general public saw Fluoride and Prozac, and they said, look, we got one that knows how to write.

01:37:14.000 Send a SWAT team immediately, that's Al-Qaeda for sure! 0.84

01:37:17.000 Well, the Health Department didn't like it, you're right, because whenever individuals defend their rights against the government, the government's never too happy, because these people have some imperial hubris about them.

01:37:26.000 They do.

01:37:26.000 And they didn't like, the director of the Health Department didn't like the tone of the letter.

01:37:30.000 So he brought in a hire because it was inquisitive.

01:37:33.000 It wasn't nasty at all.

01:37:34.000 We have a copy of it.

01:37:35.000 You write me a letter and I send a SWAT team.

01:37:38.000 You think in America you can write a letter to the government?

01:37:41.000 I'm sending armed men to show you!

01:37:44.000 Well, first they sent in an Ohio Department of Agriculture official.

01:37:48.000 Who basically treated this like a drug investigation.

01:37:52.000 He went undercover and tried to join the co-op as a member.

01:37:56.000 Of course they could, you know, they could... Yeah, they're shifting their whole fake war on drugs that they admit was really meant to get spies.

01:38:02.000 Now they're shifting it on to organic farmers, see?

01:38:06.000 Right.

01:38:06.000 War on drug tactics are dangerous and they have been for a long time.

01:38:09.000 And now we do see some of the issues with that where these same drug war tactics are being used against people Who everybody now has to acknowledge are not a danger to anyone.

01:38:19.000 These are peaceful religious people.

01:38:21.000 Oh no, that's evil.

01:38:22.000 And these same tactics are being used.

01:38:24.000 He went undercover, he surveilled them, he attempted to join their co-op.

01:38:27.000 He's a Stasi spy!

01:38:28.000 This is like Russia, spying on a little farm. 0.88

01:38:31.000 Go ahead.

01:38:31.000 Right, and for two hours he tried to arm-twist them into joining the co-op.

01:38:34.000 They told him no.

01:38:35.000 Uh, he told them a bunch of lies.

01:38:37.000 He told them he had a sick mother and these eggs, uh, these unpastured chicken eggs would make her better.

01:38:43.000 You know, can you please share these with me?

01:38:45.000 They said they really weren't interested in dealing with him because they're a private membership organization.

01:38:49.000 Um, he continued to twist their arm.

01:38:51.000 He wouldn't leave their house.

01:38:52.000 Eventually they said, here, just take the eggs and get out of here, please.

01:38:55.000 That's like the Mennonite farmer that said, OK, I'll give you milk.

01:39:00.000 That's your SWAT team, baby! 1.00

01:39:02.000 And that was an Ohio case, too, I believe.

01:39:04.000 The same Ohio Department of Agriculture that is engaging in these activities.

01:39:08.000 They're very much a rogue agency that's very much out of control and needs to be reined in.

01:39:13.000 You're exactly right.

01:39:15.000 Nine times out of ten, when I hear the word entrapment, it doesn't interest me because I think it's a little overblown.

01:39:23.000 But this is a real case of the government manufacturing a crime over eggs to catch a crime.

01:39:29.000 Eggs?

01:39:29.000 Exactly.

01:39:30.000 How many times growing up did we pull over and buy eggs at some little place where they're selling eggs?

01:39:34.000 Exactly right.

01:39:35.000 If you can't do that in America, you've got to buy at Walmart, you've got to buy a radiated egg.

01:39:39.000 How dare you pull over and get a fresh egg?

01:39:41.000 Oh my God.

01:39:42.000 There is no more fundamental right, especially when you're talking about basic food.

01:39:47.000 It really doesn't get any more fundamental. 0.99

01:39:49.000 But these parasites, tell them what the parasites did. 0.94

01:39:52.000 Well, based upon this one alleged sale of eggs, this retail sale, quote-unquote, the OD agent went and procured a search warrant, and then he exaggerated the situation and got the right to search the family's entire personal residence, not just the part where the co-op was. 0.83

01:40:13.000 So, on December 1st in the morning, armed officers surrounded the house, And then went in with guns drawn.

01:40:22.000 The lead officer was a violent fugitive task force officer.

01:40:26.000 That's his specialization.

01:40:27.000 Well, these are violent people!

01:40:29.000 That's right. 0.82

01:40:31.000 People that make chickens are Al-Qaeda.

01:40:34.000 And they're in there with their black helmets and their machine guns.

01:40:37.000 Oh God, Americans are next! 1.00

01:40:40.000 Oh Lord!

01:40:41.000 Oh God, what am I going to do?

01:40:43.000 Well, and you know, the thing is, The police had no reason to be so forceful or to be scared and wetting themselves with concern over this family.

01:40:53.000 Except that FEMA teaches them that rural people are terrorists.

01:40:56.000 Have you seen those training videos?

01:40:57.000 Well, if you look at the definition of terrorism in the Ohio revised code, and then you compare it to what happened to these people, You may find that that fits the facts of the crime.

01:41:09.000 That's right, under the new Federal Patriot Act, any action that's a misdemeanor, basically, in Section 802 of it, but tell folks, aiming guns at the children?

01:41:17.000 Well, to be fair, Alex, some of the blog facts initially reported were overblown, but that doesn't diminish the significance.

01:41:25.000 So these armed men, what did they do?

01:41:26.000 What did they do?

01:41:27.000 Right.

01:41:27.000 This was not a SWAT team, but it was police using SWAT-like tactics They burst through into the house after the door was opened, before they obtained any kind of consent to enter.

01:41:39.000 They burst through the house.

01:41:40.000 They locked it down as though it were enemy battle territory.

01:41:44.000 They ushered the whole family by force into one small room, where numerous agents from health departments and from the Department of Agriculture came in, combed over their entire personal residence, took all of their personal food.

01:41:58.000 This is a family of ten who had just butchered A large part of their herd of sheep, and they took all of this meat from this family.

01:42:06.000 And I'm sure the government targeted it.

01:42:08.000 I'm sure they targeted them to try to bankrupt them.

01:42:10.000 That's also a tactic.

01:42:11.000 That's actually exactly right.

01:42:12.000 They were trying to set up some sort of controlled buy, and they were waiting for this meat to get back to the family to do this.

01:42:18.000 And of course, they had to wait so long that they were outside of the scope of the warrant, which had actually expired by the time they did this.

01:42:25.000 So they're in the house.

01:42:26.000 They take all this.

01:42:26.000 They take the personal computers of the family.

01:42:29.000 They take the personal cell phone.

01:42:31.000 They take everything from this family, and they still have a lot of these things.

01:42:37.000 They've just given back some of the computers and cell phones, but they've kept the rest, and they're now looking to press criminal charges.

01:42:43.000 Alright, stay there.

01:42:44.000 I'm going to skip this break for the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.

01:42:48.000 For everybody else, we'll be back in three minutes with our guest.

01:42:50.000 Stay with us.

01:43:01.000 Some stations aren't with us now.

01:43:02.000 I want to give out your website for folks to support you and to help you.

01:43:06.000 And again, you know, I'm trying to illustrate how absurd all this is with all my screwing around, but I'm not screwing around.

01:43:11.000 I mean, this is for folks that don't know.

01:43:13.000 Is this not, I mean, as a constitutional lawyer yourself, classical Stalinist tyranny?

01:43:19.000 Well, here's the real problem.

01:43:20.000 I think that you're fairly correct.

01:43:23.000 And you can, you know, the whole argument that this is a public safety issue is undermined by the fact that there are 22 exemptions to the law.

01:43:31.000 I mean, and these are people that are treated no differently than the Stowers, or they treat their food no differently than the Stowers. 0.80

01:43:37.000 Other than it's unconventional.

01:43:39.000 Why were the police so jacked up?

01:43:41.000 I mean, why were they relishing putting so much manpower, not into missing children, not into car thefts, not into home invasions or rapes, but casing and spying and tracking egg sellers?

01:43:53.000 It's really not clear whether they're trying to enhance their own bureaucratic self-interest, trying to justify their existence.

01:44:00.000 As a bureaucracy, it's really not clear, but here's the important thing to know about your Fourth Amendment rights, when it relates to search and seizure here, is that, you know, these paramilitary raids are on the rise, and they're on the rise for offenses like this, alleged offenses like this, that at best are licensure law violations, and the police don't have the right to use this kind of force on peaceful people.

01:44:25.000 The reason that this knock-and-announce rule was put into place And the only reason they can be violated are when there's either one, worry that the evidence is going to be destroyed, or two, there's worry that the people inside are armed and dangerous and going for their guns.

01:44:43.000 And there is never any indication that these people were going to destroy the evidence.

01:44:48.000 But see, now they say if you're a gun owner, though, that's their excuse to go after you.

01:44:53.000 Well, you know what?

01:44:54.000 I wouldn't have been surprised to have seen that.

01:44:57.000 And the affidavit that procured the search warrant, but not even that much was alleged.

01:45:01.000 There was no allegation in the affidavit that these people were dangerous.

01:45:04.000 Now, have they given back their food, or are they just letting it all spoil?

01:45:08.000 Well, right now, they're, uh, I've been told they're storing it in an undisclosed location somewhere, and they say that it's being kept frozen.

01:45:18.000 We don't know.

01:45:20.000 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

01:45:21.000 We've asked for the food back and we've asked for compensation in the event that they won't give the food back.

01:45:26.000 Well, you're suing them now.

01:45:28.000 Absolutely.

01:45:29.000 So when we come back in the final five minutes, I'm going to try to shut up and just let you finish up what really happened inside of there for the six plus hours and now where this case is going and then of course give out the Buckeye Institute website.

01:45:42.000 The Center for Constitutional Law for our substantive audience so they can... And then I'll have you back sometime in the near future for a full hour to explain to people their basic rights that if we don't fight for, we'll disappear.

01:45:52.000 Here we go.

01:45:52.000 Zone.

01:45:55.000 If you don't fight for a right, it dies.

01:46:05.000 We must animate our liberties, our freedoms.

01:46:09.000 And the tyranny Unfolding against humanity right now is just off the charts.

01:46:15.000 You know, in the behind-the-scenes talk on PrisonPlanet.tv with our guest, Maurice Thompson, constitutional law scholar and director over there at the Constitutional Law Center with the Buckeye Institute.

01:46:27.000 You were talking about paramilitary raids on peaceful people for, you know, tiny things that might be a $50 fine, though they had exemptions.

01:46:40.000 uh Finish up with that, and then what happened in the raid, and then where are the lawsuits going, and give folks the website.

01:46:47.000 Sure, Alex.

01:46:47.000 I'll reiterate what I told you over the break, and that is that one of the things we're fighting for here are people's Fourth Amendment rights.

01:46:55.000 And, you know, courts have spoken to this issue over and over again for hundreds of years, And that is that there is a man's home is his castle, and there's a certain amount of dignity and privacy that people are allowed to be entitled to in the home, and that prohibits these kind of Russian, forced, paramilitary-style raids unless they're absolutely necessary.

01:47:18.000 And they're necessary either where there's imminent danger that the evidence is going to be destroyed, or where there's imminent danger to the police because people might go for their guns.

01:47:27.000 Here, there was no allegation of that.

01:47:28.000 And more and more common, we're seeing these kinds of raids on people Where there is no worry about evidence and no worry about danger, and we believe that that actually violates people's Fourth Amendment rights because even if you get a search warrant, the search and seizure has to be Conducted reasonably, and we think that's inherently unreasonable.

01:47:46.000 So finish up with what happened in the house and where you're going from now.

01:47:49.000 Sure.

01:47:49.000 Well, the authorities come in, they seize all the family's personal food supply, and they take a bunch of other food that actually belongs to other members of the co-op who haven't picked it up yet, since it had been delivered perhaps.

01:48:03.000 They keep the family for six hours in this small part of the house as they do all these things, small children.

01:48:11.000 Who never, being homeschooled, are used to a peaceful environment, never experienced such a thing, and are still a little bit shook up, not to mention how the parents view it.

01:48:19.000 Well, they take all these things, and they take off eventually.

01:48:23.000 They took computers, too, right?

01:48:27.000 They took the family's personal computer.

01:48:28.000 They took the computers that the homeschool lessons are on, and they took the computers that the daughter uses to talk to her husband, who's fighting for our country in Iraq.

01:48:37.000 They took all the family's personal cell phones.

01:48:40.000 They took way more than they had a justification to take, and this happens pretty commonly.

01:48:46.000 Again, these are drug war tactics, and this was a drug war style raid.

01:48:49.000 Well, they're going to turn the loose on everything.

01:48:51.000 Right, we're seeing the expansion of those tactics.

01:48:53.000 And you were telling me they won't give the food back now, so who knows what's happened to it.

01:48:57.000 Where does this go?

01:48:57.000 You're suing them now.

01:48:58.000 What are you suing them for?

01:48:59.000 How do we support you?

01:49:01.000 Well, here's what's important.

01:49:02.000 The family is a religious, peaceful family.

01:49:05.000 They're not out for blood.

01:49:06.000 They're not even out for money.

01:49:08.000 Arguably, they have a strong Section 1983 action for money from the officers for violation of their constitutional rights, but they want two things.

01:49:15.000 We're suing for an injunction declaring that these kinds of paramilitary raids on peaceful people are inherently unconstitutional and have to be stopped.

01:49:26.000 We're suing for the court to declare that.

01:49:29.000 We're also suing for a declaration that small family farms and co-ops do not require a government permission slip.

01:49:36.000 Are in fact exempt from the licensure law or need to be exempt under the licensure law because under equal protection These kinds of licensures were required for a large Giant Eagle or a Wal-Mart produce.

01:49:48.000 What are they going to do?

01:49:49.000 Start raiding guys selling firewood or beef jerky or watermelons?

01:49:53.000 How about lemonade stands?

01:49:54.000 I mean it could be anything.

01:49:55.000 Fire up the website.

01:49:57.000 I want to have you back up for a full hour after the holidays to track what's happening.

01:50:00.000 Fire up the Buckeye Institute so folks can support it.

01:50:03.000 It's www.buckeyeinstitute.org.org.

01:50:07.000 We do need help with cases like this.

01:50:09.000 We want to bring more of these cases in the future.

01:50:12.000 So, any donations are great, and we can also donate to the family of people at your market for that purpose.

01:50:18.000 We're happy to take on these cases, and we're happy to hear from people who have similar cases.

01:50:23.000 And there's a video from Stowers, and our legal filings are there, too.

01:50:26.000 BuckeyeInstitute.org?

01:50:28.000 Correct.

01:50:28.000 Thank you, sir.

01:50:29.000 We'll talk to you again soon.

01:50:30.000 Have a great weekend.

01:50:31.000 And all of you, have a great weekend.

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01:50:54.000 The enemy struck America on September 11th.

01:50:56.000 But who is the enemy?

01:50:58.000 Bin Laden.

01:50:59.000 This is his MO.

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