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00:01:13.000 We're joined for the next 50 minutes by Kevin Ryan.

00:01:17.000 Kevin Ryan, of course, was an engineer working in underwriting laboratories and discovered internal studies that had been done by the underwriters, which is underwriting laboratories of the Towers.

00:01:30.000 That clearly showed that fire could not have brought those buildings down the way that the government was claiming.

00:01:36.000 So he tried to get them to go public.

00:01:38.000 They wouldn't.

00:01:39.000 He wrote a letter to them publicly about it and they fired him.

00:01:42.000 So I think it's better for Kevin Ryan to introduce himself, some of his background, the saga he's been through, and the amazing research he's done, not just in a thermite and thermate and explosives, And the testing of that, but who at NIST is involved in the cover-up?

00:02:00.000 They just so happen to be thermate experts in their own right, with NASA and other groups for missile coupler separation seals.

00:02:10.000 And a lot more.

00:02:11.000 And it's been about six months since he dropped those original bombshells here on air.

00:02:16.000 He, of course, works with architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth and other groups.

00:02:20.000 And we are very, very honored to have Kevin Ryan on the show with us today.

00:02:24.000 Kevin, good to talk to you again.

00:02:27.000 Hi Alex, it's good to be with you again.

00:02:29.000 You bet.

00:02:30.000 You've got the floor.

00:02:31.000 Describe a little bit about yourself, kind of a recap of this quest you've been on and what it's led you to today and the latest developments.

00:02:41.000 Okay.

00:02:42.000 I was, as you said, fired from Underwriters Laboratories and that was over four years ago in 2004.

00:02:49.000 And I had been questioning them for about a year or so about the fire resistance testing that they did.

00:02:57.000 Um, 40 years before, um, for the World Trade Center Towers, they had done fire resistance testing of the steel components used to build the World Trade Center Towers.

00:03:08.000 And the CEO had told us about it.

00:03:11.000 And I had spoken with the fire resistance testing manager at the time about it.

00:03:18.000 And they were reluctant to share that information publicly.

00:03:22.000 So we were asking Myself and one or two others in the UL about that testing and why the towers could possibly have failed from fire as a result.

00:03:37.000 And couldn't get any answers from the upper management.

00:03:40.000 So I went ahead and wrote a letter to the National Institute of Standards and Technology after I saw one of their draft reports, which I think we've seen now over the years leave a lot lacking than this.

00:03:53.000 Reports are completely false.

00:03:56.000 Each one of them has been false, and they've contradicted each other.

00:04:00.000 But when they first put out a draft report in October 2004, I wrote them a letter that got me fired from Underwriters Laboratories, where I was laboratory manager and the top manager for one of their divisions.

00:04:13.000 I've since done a lot of writing and research on 9-11, become the co-editor of the Journal of 9-11 Studies with Stephen Jones.

00:04:22.000 A few years ago, I am a member of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truths.

00:04:27.000 We also have a local group here where I live called the 9-11 Working Group.

00:04:31.000 And so I do a lot of writing and research, presentations around the country, and whatever I can to get the truth out about 9-11.

00:04:41.000 Why did you first question the collapse of the towers as an engineer, and then let's walk through the evidence of cover-up, trying to suppress you and others, and kind of a recap of the evidence that has come out that continues to make a compelling case for controlled demolition, and then the new research that's been developed that is, well, in a whodunit sense, bombshell But then this isn't a whodunit.

00:05:09.000 This isn't some PBS mystery theater.

00:05:11.000 This is the real world.

00:05:13.000 This is inside job material, and this shakes the very foundation of our world to its core.

00:05:22.000 Well, yeah, and the reason I first started questioning it was for, I think, a number of the reasons that you do what you do, Alex, and trying to get the word out, getting people prepared for a Pretty big transition here in society and, you know, it's coming.

00:05:40.000 There's nothing we can really do about it, but it is important to be aware of the facts of what has happened over the last few years and try to prepare ourselves for the future.

00:05:52.000 And so, you know, the first things that I noticed were if a steel has been tested for fire resistance for a number of hours, in fact, in furnaces, At temperatures that exceeded the temperatures that we all agreed actually existed in the towers, then how could the towers have failed from fire?

00:06:14.000 Those questions were not answered and they still have not been answered.

00:06:19.000 The NIST group has done a lot of tap dancing about The issue, and they've given us a number of false stories.

00:06:25.000 I was about to say, they're constantly changing their story.

00:06:29.000 It's always something new, and now they're admitting free fall of Building 7.

00:06:33.000 They're having to admit molten steel.

00:06:36.000 I mean, the laws of science are against them.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, absolutely they are.

00:06:41.000 So, you know, ultimately they do have to admit all those things, but there was a presentation that was occurring since 2002 when they started their report.

00:06:53.000 They're investigating, and then this year, when they finally put out the World Trade Center 7 report, it was always kind of a piecemeal presentation, almost as if they were asking us, do you believe this?

00:07:02.000 They'd have a public media presentation, and they'd say, what about this?

00:07:08.000 You know, and some of us, like myself, would speak up and say, hey, that's not going to work.

00:07:14.000 And then they'd come up with something different.

00:07:18.000 And with World Trade Center 7, it's nothing more blatant than that.

00:07:22.000 The diesel fuel story.

00:07:23.000 It was certainly the diesel fuel and all of the major media reported this over and over again.

00:07:30.000 Or it was the scooped out theory, the towers had fallen.

00:07:34.000 And they've now reversed themselves on all of that.

00:07:37.000 Then it was shoddy construction when the building was overbuilt, as you know.

00:07:41.000 Have you seen the new video with Brian Williams on there interviewing the Deputy Fire Chief, one of the commanders, who says, well, we were ready to bring it down.

00:07:51.000 You know, there was talk of us bringing it down ourselves.

00:07:56.000 I mean, how many videos does it take of police and firemen saying the feds were getting ready to bring it down?

00:08:01.000 I mean, not just Silverstein.

00:08:03.000 I mean, do we have to have like a footage of Bush with a plunger?

00:08:07.000 Right.

00:08:08.000 The extent of the cover up is really so incredible.

00:08:13.000 And I think that's part of the value of 9-11 Truth.

00:08:16.000 You know, I'm interested in how this much deception could have been carried on for so long.

00:08:24.000 And how each of us as the listeners of this story, you know, kind of participated, or some of us, in allowing it to be just a huge lie for so long.

00:08:37.000 So I'm interested in that sort of thing as well, but mainly the physical research that we're doing now has to do with the alternative hypothesis, and now really the only, not only hypothesis, but theory, since it's got so much evidence.

00:08:50.000 The demolition theory, or what I call the deceptive demolition theory, So that people don't forget that it's really based on deception.

00:08:58.000 Now this is like the theory of gravity.

00:09:00.000 It's been proven, but they kind of call it a law, but it started out as a theory.

00:09:06.000 The public thinks conspiracy and theory, that number one, there's no government conspiracies, though history's full of them, and Nixon got in trouble for a government conspiracy.

00:09:17.000 And then they said there's no such thing as theories.

00:09:19.000 Well, we know the official theory of why these towers turned into matchsticks and dust.

00:09:24.000 We know that's a fraud.

00:09:25.000 So we set about going, OK, what does the evidence show is the most probable hypothesis?

00:09:31.000 And there you have it.

00:09:33.000 Right.

00:09:33.000 And it's going to be it's not going to be extremely simple.

00:09:35.000 It's not going to be simply the question of whether planes brought the buildings down or somebody just decided to do a typical demolition of the World Trade Center towers.

00:09:45.000 That's not the question.

00:09:48.000 The question is, did the planes bring the buildings down, which we know is not true, or did somebody fly planes into the buildings in order to present the idea that the planes brought the buildings down while doing a deceptive demolition?

00:10:02.000 And so, if we keep all that in mind, part of the deception is having fire exist where it would not have otherwise existed.

00:10:12.000 Other parts are creating fire.

00:10:16.000 In the elevator shaft that is so extreme that would weaken the core of the buildings and also very likely From what we've heard from testimony, explosions in the basements as well.

00:10:26.000 So, it was a complicated process.

00:10:28.000 Which by the way were preparatory.

00:10:29.000 Those were way before the main collapse was initiated with the towers, with the top-down demolition versus the classical, or more classical, bottom-up situation with Building 7.

00:10:42.000 I want to come back with Kevin Ryan.

00:10:43.000 And Kevin, have you walk through that and then all the new thermite information.

00:10:48.000 That you have, but I mean, stepping back from this, do you ever wake up at 3 a.m.

00:10:52.000 at night, sweaty like I do, or freaked out?

00:10:55.000 You know, consciously we know it's an inside job, the evidence shows that, but to like come to grips kind of like, you know, when you're not conscious and awake and psychologically dealing with it, when it kind of floods in of, oh my God, people run the government that really killed 3,000 people and I mean, these are wild men to pull off something of this daring in front of everyone.

00:11:18.000 I mean, these people, what else are they capable of?

00:11:24.000 Yeah, that's a good question, but I'd like to think that we're still in the majority, Alex.

00:11:28.000 The American people and the people of the world who are generally honest and interested in survival still have a chance, in my opinion, so we need to get the word out.

00:11:38.000 I mean, about every few weeks I'll wake up 3, 4 a.m., covered in sweat, thinking about 9-11.

00:11:38.000 Well, I know this.

00:11:42.000 And I'm like, oh my God, I'm this prominent person fighting murderers who will just kill 3,000 people like that to get power and to be able to launch wars.

00:11:51.000 And it's real.

00:11:52.000 I mean, they really did it.

00:11:53.000 And it just hits me like a ton of bricks.

00:11:56.000 And I've got to just literally cry out to God for support or I couldn't continue on.

00:12:01.000 Stay there, Kevin Ryan.

00:12:02.000 We appreciate your courage.

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00:16:03.000 All right, folks, we are here back live with Kevin Ryan.

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00:16:24.000 I see Betty, Don, and many others that want to speak to our guest, Kevin Ryan, formerly with Underwriting Laboratories, an engineer, who found out about all this stuff.

00:16:34.000 And look, I mean, you can't, dealing with reality, you can't just say, well, it's too scary to know it's an inside job.

00:16:41.000 I'm just going to say it's not true.

00:16:44.000 I mean, that is a lot to deal with.

00:16:45.000 And I've had to deal with it.

00:16:47.000 You know, I had to tell you about the attacks before they happened, so the Feds are going to go after the World Trade Center.

00:16:53.000 I could see them on TV preparing the public.

00:16:55.000 I mean, it doesn't take a mathematician to understand this stuff, but here we are.

00:17:02.000 So, Kevin, continuing with your awakening the evidence, NIST is all over the map now.

00:17:09.000 And then that really key research you've done on the Thermate with Dr. Stephen Jones and others.

00:17:15.000 Right.

00:17:16.000 So Dr. Jones came on the scene in 2005 and was just a very strong scientific, credible scientific speaker in terms of what he was finding.

00:17:29.000 And since then, Dr. Jones and myself and others have proven beyond question, I think, and others before us, That the towers and World Trade Center 7 were brought down with explosives.

00:17:41.000 There's no question about that.

00:17:44.000 The additional information was the development of the thermite or thermate theory from Dr. Jones.

00:17:52.000 And that's because he was able to find residues and test them and show that they were chemically identical to the residues from thermite.

00:18:02.000 Explosions.

00:18:03.000 And by the way, separately, the government's own reports buried in the data was the sulfidation and other chemical interactions that he had separately found in his own research.

00:18:13.000 So a lot of what you guys have done is seconded in the real government research, not just the official spin they put out.

00:18:21.000 Absolutely.

00:18:21.000 It's supported by official reports of various kinds.

00:18:26.000 But then we started looking into what are called nanothermites, and these are More explosive versions of thermite that are built around components that are on the nano scale.

00:18:40.000 So nano aluminum and sometimes also nano metallic powders, metallic oxides that are mixed with the nano aluminum.

00:18:49.000 And there's one reason that these are very useful in my view.

00:18:54.000 They ignite at much lower temperatures.

00:18:56.000 They are explosive, very much so.

00:18:59.000 And also, they create fire, as I suggested, where fire would not otherwise have existed.

00:19:05.000 They're also applicable to this situation in that if you look at where the fireproofing upgrades and the elevator work was done in the two years before 9-11, you find out that the floors where fireproofing upgrade was done match up very well, almost exactly, if not exactly.

00:19:25.000 With the floors of impact and fire and failure or so-called failure in the towers.

00:19:31.000 And so that shows massive forethought and just sickening premeditated nature.

00:19:38.000 Really?

00:19:38.000 And so that just, you know, it becomes an easy path almost when you look at that and you say, well, a very strong part of the theory now is that nanothermites were Which are sprayable, can be coated.

00:19:50.000 They're coatings.

00:19:53.000 And the workers even think they're putting on new fireproofing.

00:19:57.000 I think it's very possible that the idea is that they could be told that it's intumescent paint, which is a fireproofing type of paint, or other types of fireproofing materials.

00:20:07.000 And even the Port Authority's consultant Burl Happold, an engineering company from the British from the United Kingdom suggested to them at the time when they're doing these upgradings that they use alternative materials.

00:20:22.000 So they didn't explain what those alternative materials are.

00:20:24.000 And it would sure help if it was a spook building with every major federal intelligence agency in it. 0.78

00:20:30.000 And it magically was!

00:20:31.000 The government's command bunker.

00:20:33.000 Yeah, World Trade Center 7 had some very interesting tenants, that's for sure.

00:20:39.000 CIA, FBI, Defense Intelligence.

00:20:43.000 Yeah, so we look more into these nanothermites, and I've been making them, actually.

00:20:48.000 I've been making them now, I made a couple of formulations that were published by Lawrence Livermore National Labs, and I've been examining a lot of the World Trade Center dust samples, and looking in surprise, I guess, at how similar these materials look When you look at them under a microscope.

00:21:07.000 And then NIST, and we're going to come back in a long segment, and I want you to break this down slowly, sir.

00:21:13.000 It just so happens that NIST has been acting like they don't know what you're talking about, but they happen to have some thermate, nanothermite experts working there.

00:21:21.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:23.000 And it's amazing who the president appointed to lead NIST.

00:21:30.000 Uh, during the investigation.

00:21:31.000 We can talk about that when you're ready.

00:21:33.000 Well, since they're such explosive thermite experts with NASA, why don't we... I mean, have you had a chance to talk face-to-face with these nice people?

00:21:33.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 Uh, because, uh, I know you go to some of these events.

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00:25:42.000 We know the Pentagon's worked with this, NASA's worked with this, and the folks at NIST should know all about it, because it just so happens, of only maybe ten experts in the world, you've got a couple of them that just so happen to be given the investigation.

00:25:54.000 So I would imagine they want to work with you, since this is their line, their specialty, their signature.

00:26:01.000 We know they want to help America capture the terrorist, So, Kevin, continue with the spheres themselves, and then, lo and behold, top experts in the world involved running the cover-up, I mean investigation.

00:26:15.000 Kevin, Ryan, please continue, because we're really getting close now, aren't we?

00:26:20.000 I think so.

00:26:21.000 And if you go to the Journal of 9-11 Studies, I published a paper, one of my own papers was published there, called The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nanothermites.

00:26:32.000 And it steps through the top ten connections.

00:26:35.000 Give that site out for folks, we're going to put it on screen.

00:26:37.000 It's the journal of 911studies.com.

00:26:40.000 Journal of 911studies.com.

00:26:42.000 Alright, we've got it on screen.

00:26:44.000 Please continue.

00:26:45.000 And I think the paper is from July of this year, but it steps through an explanation of nanothermites and it talks about how NIST was working with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories as early as 1999.

00:26:57.000 I believe earlier than that, but that documentation It's important, but you can get all the references from this paper.

00:27:04.000 You don't have to take my word for it.

00:27:07.000 Step through it and see that NERC is very closely working on nanothermites.

00:27:14.000 They had people like Forman Williams, who was their lead engineer on their advisory committee and also was the biggest engineering expert for popular mechanics.

00:27:24.000 And he is an expert on just these sorts of materials.

00:27:28.000 So he's the Hearst publishing expert?

00:27:30.000 Yeah, I suppose.

00:27:32.000 Popular Mechanics is a Hearst publication.

00:27:35.000 Same folks that said, you supply the pitchers, I'll supply the war.

00:27:39.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 Yeah.

00:27:41.000 The yellow journalism. 0.67

00:27:44.000 We always joke and say in the encyclopedia next to the word dumbass there's a picture of you, but literally in the encyclopedia next to yellow journalism is a picture of them!

00:27:54.000 A lot of people still believe it. 0.85

00:28:01.000 That's just a matter of being able to close your mind enough to buy what you were already going to buy.

00:28:06.000 Well, they're clearly operatives.

00:28:07.000 Please continue.

00:28:09.000 Well, you know, they're Science Applications International, which is a very large engineering consulting and other defense consulting company that was very heavily involved in the NIST investigation and they're experts on this sort of material.

00:28:24.000 They also first investigated the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and it was their analysis that kind of produced the official story.

00:28:35.000 They were also responsible for helping out with the security upgrades at the World Trade Center in the late 1990s.

00:28:42.000 So this Science Applications International, SAIC, company is connected in every possible way.

00:28:51.000 Through their former employees, Jerome Hauer and Stephen Hatfield, to a number of things like the Anthrax incidents and the Rudy Giuliani administration.

00:29:00.000 But these directors of NIST are most interesting to me.

00:29:03.000 One of them is Arden Beamont, who is a materials expert and metallurgist.

00:29:08.000 I mean, this is right up his alley.

00:29:10.000 He's a former Deputy Secretary of Defense and former Director of DARPA's Materials Office.

00:29:18.000 former executive at TRW.

00:29:21.000 And there's just all sorts of connections.

00:29:24.000 Battelle, he's a director at Battelle, which is an organization that manages the national laboratories, including Fort Detrick and Lawrence Livermore.

00:29:33.000 And all these Thermate experts, they're just directing giant companies, but they are coming in to help with the 9-11 investigation.

00:29:42.000 Isn't that nice of them?

00:29:44.000 Absolutely.

00:29:44.000 October 2001, right after the attacks, is when George W. Bush nominated Beeman to be the head of NIST.

00:29:51.000 When Beeman was Ready to move on, which is a few years later, Bush nominated Harach Simerjian to be his replacement.

00:30:02.000 He was the director of NIST's chemical division and he is somebody who is a nanothermite expert and wrote 10 papers With the world's leading nanothermite expert, Michael Zachariah, used to be a NIST employee as well.

00:30:15.000 Wow!

00:30:16.000 You'd think that this is like a class get-together of world thermite experts.

00:30:24.000 Well, I don't know, but there certainly are enough of them that you could make the suggestion.

00:30:27.000 Is this a thermite or thermate convention going on?

00:30:31.000 You know, Alex, to be serious, it's really apparent that these people were hired and brought into the investigation because they knew what not to look for.

00:30:40.000 They knew what to avoid looking at, and they certainly did that.

00:30:46.000 There was no testing per the national standard for fire investigation.

00:30:49.000 But it's more than that.

00:30:50.000 I mean, who are you going to find in government who you can bring in to investigate something that's clearly an inside job?

00:30:56.000 I mean, who do you bring in?

00:30:57.000 You bring in people you know you can trust.

00:30:59.000 People who were...

00:31:04.000 Yeah, very possibly.

00:31:06.000 I mean, I know you go to some of these events.

00:31:08.000 Do you ever have a chance to come over and get a hold of their hand and look in their eyes?

00:31:12.000 Yeah, I haven't spoken to any of them directly, but I sent a very polite and professional letter to them back in 2004.

00:31:20.000 Never got a reply other than being fired.

00:31:24.000 And I have made several polite requests for discussions and have been turned down multiple times by NIST.

00:31:34.000 You know, I don't want to go to their homes or go to their offices necessarily.

00:31:39.000 Well, maybe I do, but I haven't done that yet.

00:31:41.000 Are there any other ThermAid experts that are all crowding around the investigation?

00:31:47.000 Well, I'm really interested in also people who were working on novel fireproofing, right?

00:31:56.000 So we're talking about what alternative fireproofing may have been involved.

00:32:01.000 And how they could be related to nanothermic coatings.

00:32:04.000 So Richard Gann, who is the guy who actually did the final editing for the NIST report, he was one of the top people, was working on a novel fireproofing project for a couple of years before 9-11.

00:32:18.000 And he involves some of the world's leading experts on nanothermites.

00:32:21.000 Oh! 0.60

00:32:22.000 Oh, you're working with fireproofing?

00:32:24.000 You go out and hire nanothermite explosive experts?

00:32:29.000 That's how you coat the towers to make sure they don't burn.

00:32:31.000 Or explode.

00:32:34.000 It's a very strong theory at this point, and if your listeners go to 9-11 Blogger, I put up a blog piece that has a slideshow of Twenty-six microphotos are from a microscope, and you can see that half of them are nanothermite residues from materials I've made and ignited.

00:32:55.000 And then the residues look identical, or very nearly identical, to the magnetic portion of the World Trade Center dust.

00:33:04.000 So there's these red-orange chips, there's all these spheres, there's other types of molten formations, These vesicular formations, clearly the remnants of an explosion.

00:33:18.000 The slag?

00:33:19.000 Yeah, the slag material.

00:33:21.000 So, if you look at this slideshow at 9-11 Blogger, I think it'll be, you know, people like pictures, so we're unfortunately, to some extent, becoming almost an image-only society.

00:33:32.000 I assume we won't even use our thumbs, we'll just eat out of a big McDonald's feed bag.

00:33:37.000 So I'm trying to reach out to the people who are more compelled by images than all the writing I've done, which is something for people who do a lot of reading.

00:33:47.000 These are long essays that I write, but they are interesting.

00:33:50.000 But the photos are just really compelling.

00:33:52.000 If you take a look at those, I think you'll see what I'm trying to say here.

00:33:57.000 Apart from the photos and the writing, there's a large group of scientists now around the United States and in Europe, in several laboratories in Europe, That are doing chemical and physical tests on the World Trade Center dust particles that we're finding.

00:34:14.000 And you know, there's some fairly well conclusive papers being written, led by Stephen Jones at this point and others.

00:34:26.000 Some newer, younger research scientists and some in Europe.

00:34:29.000 Well, Kevin Ryan, I want to get into that and take some calls, but I'll tell you what really let me know two years ago that you guys were on to something.

00:34:36.000 The way the media attacks you and the way operatives, who I was already watching in the 9-11 Truth Movement, savagely went after you and Jones, they really showed who they were.

00:34:46.000 The establishment is scared to death of this thermite, thermate research, and that now as you dig deeper in, and the who's who of explosive thermite and special fire coating are all bivouacked, you know, cloistered around this, acting suspicious, and the NIST reports are all frauds.

00:35:07.000 I mean, my God, we're dealing with some hardcore individuals here, and I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, you've got a lot of courage, my friend, and the people involved with you do, because Because, I mean, this is the biggest whodunit ever, and you, I mean, we know now, I mean, this is, I mean, there isn't a grand jury out there that wouldn't call for a further investigation of this.

00:35:27.000 I mean, these people are just wicked.

00:35:31.000 I mean, to know that you guys have done the research that's got you one step away from having your hands on the perpetrators, that has got to really be bracing.

00:35:42.000 Yeah, just take a look at a three-way crossroads, and that is who had access to the buildings, who had access to the technologies, and who was involved in the cover-up.

00:35:54.000 If you look at those three groups and try to find connections, you'll find a good deal of connections.

00:36:01.000 And I think we'll start to find our culprits.

00:36:04.000 Well, I mean, what's so incredible, folks, we're on the air right now giving you just proof on a silver planter.

00:36:11.000 And this is just the scientific evidence and then these former deputy defense heads and all these spooks in a spook building, Building 7, all of this going on.

00:36:21.000 Then you've got the firefighters and police saying, get back, we've been told they're bringing it down, and Silverstein slipping up and saying, we gave the order to bring it down, and gave the order to watch it come down, to pull it.

00:36:31.000 You know, we have all the videos of cops live saying, get back, not just the eyewitnesses now saying, yeah, I was a cop, or I was a firefighter, or I was an emergency worker, and they said, it was on the radio, a countdown.

00:36:43.000 And then I remember hearing on the news they were going to blow up 7.

00:36:47.000 They go, no, we never said that, it fell on its own.

00:36:51.000 I mean, this is incredible!

00:36:53.000 Kevin Ryan, I mean, this is amazing!

00:36:55.000 We have them!

00:36:56.000 We have them!

00:36:58.000 And I guess they're just counting on the public not being able to deal with the horror.

00:37:03.000 And believe me, it horrifies... I mean, how did you deal with this?

00:37:05.000 I know you're a scientist and engineer, but how did you deal with it as the evidence just piles on the evidence?

00:37:10.000 And then you know you're dealing with mass murderers here.

00:37:14.000 Yeah, it was an incredible shock for me in 2003 when I got it.

00:37:20.000 Yeah, I started working very heavily on investigating it myself and asking a lot of questions of people I knew, and of course it was a serious blow to me to get fired from my job, and I had to take some time and take care of my family first before continuing.

00:37:37.000 But it's been recently in the last year or two just something that I know needs to be done, okay?

00:37:43.000 We know we have to figure out what happened.

00:37:46.000 We have to communicate as much of it as we possibly can.

00:37:50.000 And that's what we can do, and okay, you know, like you said, you ask God for help, and if that helps you and it does help me, then that's what you do.

00:37:59.000 And you just continue on doing the best you can.

00:38:02.000 No, literally, I would collapse if it wasn't for the higher power, and people can laugh at that out there, but I guess they haven't been in this type of psychological adversity to be coldly looking at the facts.

00:38:12.000 I mean, Kevin, as you know, there's over 200 declassified examples where Elements of the government have admittedly staged terror.

00:38:21.000 So, I mean, they do it over and over again.

00:38:23.000 They just did it so big on 9-11.

00:38:26.000 And people say, well, let's just forget about it.

00:38:27.000 It's too horrible.

00:38:29.000 If we leave these people in power, they're unstable.

00:38:34.000 What are they going to do next?

00:38:37.000 Right.

00:38:38.000 So, ultimately, there has to be a transition.

00:38:40.000 There has to be a great change in our society.

00:38:42.000 So, we have to take responsibility for that.

00:38:45.000 First of all, we have to take responsibility For the deception in our lives.

00:38:48.000 That's what we're trying to do here.

00:38:50.000 We take responsibility for that.

00:38:52.000 Then we start building a new society.

00:38:53.000 That has to happen.

00:38:55.000 I'm afraid it has to happen.

00:38:57.000 So, you know, the most positive approach we can take, but definitely moving forward for ourselves and not expecting the government or whoever, powerful entities to take care of things for us, because they're going to take care of things for us.

00:39:14.000 But as you say, They're not necessarily on our side.

00:39:17.000 Well, I mean, you know, 8.5 trillion stolen by offshore banks.

00:39:21.000 They tell Congress, you're not allowed to look at it.

00:39:23.000 Bloomberg reports war powers has been declared by the Federal Reserve is now running the country.

00:39:29.000 We've got open announcements of 20,000 combat troops to be used against the American people.

00:39:34.000 I mean, we're not in Kansas anymore.

00:39:37.000 Right.

00:39:38.000 Yep.

00:39:39.000 So what can we do?

00:39:40.000 I mean, the things that I can do are investigate The events of 9-11, develop new technologies if possible for a new society.

00:39:49.000 Those are things I'm interested in doing.

00:39:52.000 Absolutely, we commend you.

00:39:53.000 You know, people need to go get... You guys have now done peer-reviewed studies as well by major scientific journals, have looked at your findings and found them to be accurate, and more are now being reviewed.

00:40:06.000 You put a lot of work into this, you and Stephen Jones and other physicists and architects and engineers.

00:40:11.000 I guess it's now up to the listeners to get these scientific reports and give it to other engineers, friends and family, you know, that are in these fields.

00:40:22.000 Because I really think it's the fact that this scientific debate is what's going to lead to really this being forced out into the open.

00:40:32.000 Yeah, it has made a difference.

00:40:33.000 It's changing minds in areas that we haven't seen ready to change yet.

00:40:40.000 And that's what the peer-reviewed scientific articles in what we call mainstream journals can do.

00:40:47.000 So we can send those to any Do you think the perpetrators are scared of you guys?

00:40:51.000 I mean, obviously they are, but they've got to know that they're in trouble.

00:40:55.000 because it is published in a mainstream journal.

00:40:57.000 It doesn't make them feel as if they're taking a risk to read something like that.

00:41:03.000 So it does help.

00:41:04.000 Do you think the perpetrators are scared of you guys?

00:41:06.000 I mean, obviously they are, but they've got to know that they're in trouble.

00:41:11.000 They've got to know that even if they don't ever physically get arrested, that the word's getting out about them.

00:41:15.000 I don't know if they're afraid or not.

00:41:17.000 Sometimes I wonder... I think, Alex, you've used the word endgame before, and so some of these folks think that it's a game.

00:41:24.000 They're a little bit unconscious, I think, and they're not making decisions as if they're living in the real world with the rest of us.

00:41:31.000 So I don't know really what they think.

00:41:33.000 Well, that is what Rove said.

00:41:35.000 He said, we are history's actors.

00:41:37.000 We control reality.

00:41:39.000 Reality is what it is, and it's our opportunity to find out what that is on our own.

00:41:43.000 And we'll just change reality one day, and we'll change it again, and then you'll respond accordingly.

00:41:46.000 Well, I've got news for Karl Rove.

00:41:48.000 I'm not going to go along with your phony reality, buddy.

00:41:51.000 All right.

00:41:53.000 Reality is what it is, and it's our opportunity to find out what that is on our own.

00:42:01.000 And Karl Rove doesn't make reality.

00:42:03.000 I'm sure of that.

00:42:04.000 Well, I mean, look at Israel. 0.76

00:42:07.000 They got repulsed in Lebanon, and now they're in Gaza, and I'm not getting into a debate here about whose side.

00:42:13.000 My point is, is that, look at Napoleon, look at Hitler. 0.90

00:42:16.000 The hubris comes to an end.

00:42:18.000 The problem is, a lot of times, it crushes little people in the process.

00:42:22.000 I want to come back, and I'll keep you five minutes after in the next hour if we can, so we can take a few calls.

00:42:26.000 Are you game to do that?

00:42:27.000 Stay another 15 minutes total, sir?

00:42:30.000 Sure.

00:42:30.000 Absolutely.

00:42:31.000 We'll have you until five after next hour.

00:42:32.000 We're going to come back and go to Betty, Don, Dan, and a few others specifically.

00:42:36.000 Poor Kevin Ryan, he's an engineer.

00:42:38.000 He saw their internal reports about the towers.

00:42:41.000 He tried to go public and they fired him.

00:42:43.000 Well, thanks to this hero, we're very close to identifying those who were involved in the master planning of the 9-11 attacks.

00:42:51.000 The investigation continues.

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00:46:11.000 Kevin Ryan, before I talk to Betty, Don, Dan, and a few others, any other points you haven't added, any other key information that we haven't gone over here with the audience today?

00:46:23.000 I just wanted to remind people that the nanothermite theory is only part of the demolition theory, and that the World Trade Center is only part of the 9-11 truth movement, so there's a great deal of information people need to continue to investigate and there's a lot of good books and movies out there that help us with that.

00:46:42.000 Well, it's classic black ops to have different teams, different operations overkill.

00:46:47.000 They certainly had multiple types of explosives in the towers.

00:46:53.000 They did both the operations unconventionally, but seven is closer, correct?

00:46:59.000 As an engineer, sir, closer to a classical?

00:47:02.000 Yeah, it definitely looks very much like a classic demolition.

00:47:07.000 So it was done differently, I would be sure of that.

00:47:12.000 We need to just get to whatever clues we can find.

00:47:14.000 So when I'm looking at the intersection of people involved and people who had access to technologies in the buildings and nanothermite residues, we're looking for clues and we're going to dig those out and expose them as much as possible and then move on.

00:47:29.000 Well, I think the bigger issue here is, too, psychology.

00:47:32.000 People don't understand a military mind, a commander-level mind.

00:47:35.000 We're going back thousands of years ago.

00:47:37.000 A general would put, you know, 500 of his cavalry or his ground troops to be captured to bring an enemy in so they could then destroy the larger force, knowing that the pawn's sacrifice would be killed.

00:47:51.000 And, you know, that's how back in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, they had operations like Shad and others, where they would nerve gas our own troops to death.

00:47:58.000 And they found a group of doctors who would do that because they believed the end justifies the means.

00:48:03.000 And so out of that mindset, they've created military cadres that will do this.

00:48:12.000 Well, America needs to get tough and we need to stage a terror attack to get the people straight. 0.92

00:48:16.000 I'm sad we've got to kill 3,000, but it's for America. 1.00

00:48:20.000 You know, it's for Israel. 0.98

00:48:22.000 And, you know, that's really how you get this type of thing going on.

00:48:25.000 You know, they'd tell them, we've got to nerve gas our own troops, because the Russians may use it, and the knowledge we gain here may save millions. 0.55

00:48:32.000 And so they'd kill our own troops. 0.99

00:48:33.000 But really, the test was about creating cadres of Army doctors that would do this type of crap. 0.99

00:48:39.000 So let's go to the calls here. 0.97

00:48:41.000 Betty in Wisconsin.

00:48:43.000 Betty, you are on the air.

00:48:44.000 Welcome.

00:48:46.000 Hello Betty.

00:48:47.000 Yeah, hi.

00:48:48.000 Thanks for Alex Jones Show and InfoWars and Prison Planet for being there.

00:48:53.000 I got myself a subscription for Christmas.

00:48:57.000 My question is, I'm reading this on the website for Kevin Ryan, a former UL manager.

00:49:06.000 Was fired for publicly questioning the NIST report?

00:49:10.000 What was that NIST report?

00:49:12.000 Well, that's what we've been talking about, is this baloney report put out by explosive thermate experts from the Defense Department.

00:49:18.000 Go ahead, Kevin.

00:49:19.000 Yeah, NIST is the National Institute of Standards and Technology, so it's a government agency that reports through the Commerce Department.

00:49:27.000 Therefore, its directors are Bush appointees or presidential appointees, and they work directly for the President in that sense.

00:49:37.000 But they're a repository for standards.

00:49:39.000 They do investigations in scientific ways of building failures and many other things.

00:49:48.000 When Congress gets involved, nothing much happens.

00:49:52.000 Yeah, well, Congress had a better investigation, my love.

00:49:54.000 Then they had the Whitewash Commission, appointed by Bush, and they had the nerve to say when they first had Henry Kissinger that it was independent.

00:50:02.000 Your comments on the Independent Commission, Kevin?

00:50:05.000 Yeah, I think that the 9-11 Commission is a great thing to look into.

00:50:10.000 Who are these people?

00:50:12.000 I know one of them, James R. Thompson, is the former governor of Illinois.

00:50:16.000 We know how honest the government in Illinois has been.

00:50:21.000 But he was also the chairman of the law firm that UL hired to defend themselves in my lawsuit against them.

00:50:29.000 That was interesting.

00:50:31.000 There are other people like John Lehman who owned an explosives company in the late 90s.

00:50:37.000 So I'm interested in a lot of these people.

00:50:39.000 Oh, very nice people.

00:50:40.000 Stay there.

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00:52:01.000 All right, we are back live.

00:52:13.000 Thank you so much for joining us already into the fourth hour today.

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00:52:35.000 Don in Texas, you're on the air with a real American hero.

00:52:39.000 That's right, it's not some football player, though that's enjoyable and fun to watch.

00:52:44.000 This is a real hero risking his life, his name, losing his job to blow the whistle on the 9-11 inside job, Kevin Ryan.

00:52:51.000 Don from Texas, you're on the air with Kevin Ryan.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, Kevin, Alex, God bless and keep you both for what you're doing.

00:52:59.000 I saw the Trade Center collapse live on television, knew it for what it was by virtue of my military training in demolitions.

00:53:07.000 And Kevin, you just asked what we can do as individuals.

00:53:12.000 You know, and you and Alex, you're doing it.

00:53:16.000 We're all called to be therapeutic messengers, and we have the individual power To visualize at a cellular level and resonate what we know to be truth beyond technological means.

00:53:31.000 Well, we've just got to get the word out, period, and there is that whole hundredth monkey that's been proven scientifically where you'll have a research island with monkeys, and as soon as a few of them learn it on this island, they spontaneously pick it up 20 miles away.

00:53:44.000 But, you know, regardless, we're physically getting the info out, and I appreciate your calls, Don.

00:53:50.000 Dan in New York, a final call for Kevin Ryan.

00:53:52.000 Go ahead.

00:53:54.000 Hey Alex, I was wondering what would be the reasoning for the 9-11 attacks?

00:53:59.000 Like, what were they planning?

00:54:00.000 I know one of them is imperialization of the Middle East, but... Actually, Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Grand Chess Board in 97 that was then plagiarized by the PNAC document September 20, 2000, Rebuilding America's Defenses, penned by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, they're attributed to writing it on their own website, says, trillions in no-bid weapons contracts, trillions in oil, unifying the people behind a Pax Americana or global empire, there's got to be an outside threat on the order of Pearl Harbor.

00:54:30.000 Pearl Harbor killed 2,890-something people, so did 9-11.

00:54:36.000 Coincidence?

00:54:37.000 And then we have all these other government documents, like Northwoods, where they explain, we stage terror attacks, we blame it on foreign enemies as a pretext to take control of society, even declare martial law in America.

00:54:47.000 Kevin Ryan comments.

00:54:49.000 Yeah, I think you're right, Alex, and I think we just have to recognize, although it's difficult to believe, that there are people whose greed and whose thirst for power is just more than anything that they can than they can deal with, and that they ended up just destroying everyone else around them.

00:55:07.000 So that appears to be part of the situation with 9-11.

00:55:11.000 Yeah, they have a raw thirst for power, the raw exercise of power, and we have to have a desire and a thirst for justice.

00:55:19.000 And that's what I have, that's what Kevin Ryan has.

00:55:22.000 And again, Kevin, I'm telling you, people like you are my heroes, man.

00:55:25.000 You are such a hero, such a hero to my whole family and to millions of people out there listening.

00:55:31.000 I just salute you.

00:55:32.000 Hey, back at you Alex.

00:55:33.000 Let's keep up the good work.

00:55:34.000 Well, if it wasn't for people like you, they would have already staged more terror attacks, and you do shake them up, buddy.

00:55:40.000 I mean, they expected us to buy their whole fable, and people have it, and we're going to get them in the end.

00:55:45.000 Anything else there, Dan?

00:55:48.000 What rights do you think Barack Obama is going to attack?

00:55:52.000 I know one of them is going to be the Second Amendment, but what other rights?

00:55:55.000 It's going to be the whole same agenda.

00:55:56.000 More wars, police state.

00:55:58.000 Look, Bush just passes the baton.

00:56:00.000 Right now they're passing the baton.

00:56:01.000 Obama's... I mean, he's a puppet. 0.99

00:56:04.000 Kevin, you want to comment on that?

00:56:06.000 Well, I would guess that Barack and his administration, Senator Obama, is probably not going to be much different than Senator McCain or Senator Biden or the Bush family.

00:56:17.000 They're largely, I think, the same people.

00:56:19.000 They appear to be nominating the same types of people as have been in power before.

00:56:24.000 Exactly.

00:56:26.000 Go ahead.

00:56:27.000 No, no, no.

00:56:27.000 Go ahead.

00:56:28.000 I don't expect much change from the path we're on unless we take charge of it ourselves.

00:56:35.000 I mean, exactly.

00:56:36.000 Congress has been physically threatened with martial law.

00:56:39.000 Senator Inhofe, two other congressmen we talked to, on record.

00:56:43.000 Bloomberg reports we're under war powers.

00:56:45.000 Federal Reserve.

00:56:46.000 I mean, if they're telling Congress they don't run anything, you better believe the president's been told he's a puppet.

00:56:51.000 That's why he was chosen.

00:56:52.000 He's like a front man, a CEO.

00:56:54.000 He's definitely a fellow traveler.

00:56:56.000 Kevin Ryan, thank you so much for all you've done.

00:56:59.000 We'll check out the websites and your great info.

00:57:02.000 Thank you.

00:57:02.000 There he goes.

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00:58:03.000 A day unlike any other in the long course of American history, a terrorist act of war against this country.

00:58:10.000 The enemy struck America on September 11th.

00:58:12.000 But who is the enemy?

00:58:14.000 Bin Laden.

00:58:15.000 This is his M.O.

00:58:16.000 We have to look to the Middle East.

00:58:18.000 We have to look to Osama Bin Laden. 0.93

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00:58:34.000 I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.

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01:00:09.000 All right, coming up in 15 minutes, we've got my good friend, Hollywood movie producer, artist, writer, director, Tommy Pallotta in studio with us for just 40 minutes.

01:00:22.000 I want to have this young man back for a full hour to talk about activism in the future, but we've only got him for this one segment today.

01:00:30.000 Robert Wannick is a 15-year-old high school student and 9-1-1 Truth activist.

01:00:33.000 He has fought against indoctrination and censorship in his schools and runs the website knowneocons.com.

01:00:40.000 I love that website!

01:00:41.000 I didn't know that was his.

01:00:43.000 And Robert's YouTube videos have received tens of thousands of hits, more than that.

01:00:47.000 And not only did his principal tell him he couldn't wear a 9-11 truth t-shirt, well, then they blacked it out in the school annual, censored it when everybody else was allowed to have messages on their shirts.

01:01:00.000 Then their textbook tells them that New World Order's good, world government's good, but then when he complains about it, they tell him it doesn't exist.

01:01:07.000 But then he has videos with the textbook, and we've checked out the textbook.

01:01:10.000 It does have that chapter.

01:01:12.000 So classic double thinker, taught psych warfare.

01:01:15.000 Oh, it says that, but you're not seeing that, Winston.

01:01:18.000 So I want to play a little clip of him from YouTube up on screen, and we're going to go right to him.

01:01:23.000 Here it is.

01:01:27.000 The teachers and the faculty laugh.

01:01:30.000 They literally call it a conspiracy.

01:01:34.000 Even though it's been admitted, it's a conspiracy.

01:01:38.000 But now I'm taking American History.

01:01:41.000 Here's my book.

01:01:42.000 American History.

01:01:44.000 And as I was looking through it today in class, I came across something that we will be learning about.

01:01:57.000 America in the New World Order. 0.81

01:02:01.000 You can see that I hope.

01:02:02.000 Nope. 1970 to the present.

01:02:05.000 They talk about how NAFTA is a big part of the New World Order.

01:02:16.000 The one thing they should talk about is the NAFTA Superhighway, but they don't dare mention that in our history books.

01:02:23.000 They also try to promote the already failed War on Drugs by saying it promotes extreme violence.

01:02:30.000 And we all know that the War on Drugs is a massive failure, but they're trying to drill it into kids' heads that it is being a success.

01:02:40.000 Meanwhile, he sticks Infowars.com and GCN stickers everywhere.

01:02:44.000 Or somebody does in the school.

01:02:47.000 I love it.

01:02:49.000 Fighting that brainwashing camp.

01:02:51.000 Oh, there's one of our bumper stickers.

01:02:52.000 9-11 was an inside job.

01:02:54.000 That goes out in all our orders.

01:02:57.000 By the way, I want to start a program.

01:02:58.000 If you want free bumper stickers to stick at your school, we'll mail them out to you.

01:03:04.000 Under punishable school rules, rule 14 reads, respect yourself and be proud to be a cowboy or cowgirl.

01:03:11.000 That's the mascot.

01:03:13.000 We're being forced to be proud to be a cowboy.

01:03:16.000 We must respect and be proud of our school.

01:03:19.000 Be proud of our principal, no matter how fascist he is.

01:03:24.000 Now, what kind of rule is that?

01:03:26.000 No matter what, be proud to be part of that school.

01:03:32.000 They're constantly telling you to respect your authority figures, no matter how they treat you.

01:03:38.000 And no matter what's wrong with your school, it is a rule to be proud to be a cowboy, or you will be punished.

01:03:48.000 Our school has So many cameras inside and outside.

01:03:53.000 They're tracking everything you do.

01:03:55.000 Just like a police state.

01:03:57.000 Although we have low, low violence at my small town school.

01:04:02.000 Low, low theft and basically no serious crimes.

01:04:07.000 But here's one of the rules.

01:04:09.000 Personal phones with photographic capabilities used as photographic instruments are not allowed in the school building.

01:04:19.000 Persons using these phones in the school as a photographic device will be subject to suspension for a period of time designated by the administration.

01:04:28.000 So you're not allowed to have a camera phone in the school.

01:04:33.000 Personal phones with photographic capabilities are not allowed in the school building.

01:04:38.000 They don't want you to catch them saying something.

01:04:41.000 They don't want you to catch them doing anything.

01:04:44.000 Give us some personal freedom!

01:04:49.000 It starts with synchronizing your day to get you ready for the new world order.

01:04:54.000 Everything you do is planned out and you have no choice.

01:04:58.000 Then it goes on to banning any photographic devices from entering the school.

01:05:05.000 No freedom of press.

01:05:07.000 No personal phones.

01:05:09.000 At all.

01:05:11.000 The final step is brainwashing you with chapters in your history book on the New World Order.

01:05:16.000 Trying to promote it is a good peacekeeping movement.

01:05:20.000 There's more there and he was also told that you could have any non-violent message you wanted on your shirt, but his 9-11 inside job wasn't allowed, so that got censored as well.

01:05:33.000 Let's go ahead and go to Robert.

01:05:36.000 Robert, it's great to have you here with us, my friend.

01:05:39.000 Yeah, thanks Alex, I appreciate you bringing me on today.

01:05:42.000 Well, I mean obviously you're using their censorship, their attempted censorship to wake up and rally the youth there in their Shawshank prison.

01:05:52.000 Tell folks a little bit about yourself and this saga in this indoctrination camp that your parents have you in.

01:05:58.000 So how are you fighting back inside the re-education center?

01:06:03.000 Yeah, well I'm a 15-year-old sophomore and I go to Breckenridge High School and The school operates with no respect for the Constitution.

01:06:12.000 They literally tell the students that you leave your rights at the door to keep it as a safe learning environment.

01:06:18.000 You're not allowed to bring cameras into the schools, so there is no freedom of the press.

01:06:22.000 You are not allowed free speech, and they can designate whatever they want inappropriate.

01:06:28.000 They can designate whatever t-shirts they want.

01:06:31.000 If they do not like the message, that t-shirt can be censored according to them.

01:06:36.000 And basically, they They don't want any alternative theories, and you can be punished for bringing them up.

01:06:42.000 9-11 Truth is a punishable theory in our school.

01:06:46.000 You're not allowed to mention the New World Order.

01:06:48.000 They don't let me talk to recruiters when they come to the school.

01:06:51.000 When I see a Marine recruiter, I can't even get near him without a teacher hassling me, asking me why I'm cross-dressing.

01:06:58.000 Well, how dare you?

01:06:58.000 I mean, look, you're not allowed to talk to other people in prison.

01:07:01.000 You're there to be indoctrinated and learn how to get on Prozac, Ritalin, or how to go into the military, or how to go to prison.

01:07:07.000 It's to institutionalize you.

01:07:08.000 We have our own documents.

01:07:11.000 Tell folks where the government re-education camp is located that you attend.

01:07:16.000 Well, I go to school in Breckenridge, Minnesota.

01:07:20.000 It's a small town in Minnesota, about three hours away from the big Twin Cities, and that's why they think they can get away with this, this unconstitutional indoctrination of the students, this brainwashing.

01:07:36.000 They know that it's just a perfect opportunity for them to drill the New World Order into our heads. 0.52

01:07:40.000 Well, you need to create a student group.

01:07:42.000 If they refuse to accredit it, you need to sue them for that.

01:07:46.000 And I would make a huge deal out of it, and I would take that school over through the First Amendment, and I would, you know, create a student union, which is your God-given right, to basically let them know that you do have value, and that you do not leave your rights at the door, and that you're not going to be taught that you're a slave or a prisoner.

01:08:04.000 Absolutely, because schools are really in place.

01:08:07.000 Any person that's thinking creatively knows that schools are really in place to keep you from learning about the real issues.

01:08:14.000 No alternative theories.

01:08:15.000 When you bring one up, they're just going to go out of their way to shut you up.

01:08:19.000 Claim you have no rights.

01:08:20.000 It seems like I saw no neocons.com years ago.

01:08:24.000 How long have you been involved in the fight against the New World Order?

01:08:28.000 I've been involved for about a year and a half now.

01:08:32.000 Started off with 9-11 Truth.

01:08:34.000 When I was just your average kid, not involved in any politics, and it wasn't hard for me to see that the lies don't add up, and that the science, it's proven.

01:08:47.000 What woke you up?

01:08:48.000 I mean, when did you finally wake up?

01:08:51.000 Okay, I woke up when I was about 14 years old, a young 14 year old.

01:08:57.000 Now I'm 15 years old, so about a year ago.

01:09:02.000 Benny, what was the thing that triggered it?

01:09:05.000 Well, the thing that triggered me waking up was when I was in science class, we watched a video on the physics of 9-11, and I noticed that things don't add up.

01:09:16.000 I researched 9-11, came across films like 9-11, The Road to Tyranny, 9-11, Loose Change.

01:09:22.000 So wait a minute, they were brainwashing you with the official story?

01:09:27.000 They were giving us the official conspiracy theory.

01:09:31.000 So that's what backfired on them.

01:09:32.000 That's why I love these hit pieces they do on us.

01:09:35.000 That's where we're getting all our converts.

01:09:36.000 I love it.

01:09:38.000 Exactly.

01:09:38.000 They think they can feed us the propaganda, and then they think that we're not going to do anything about it.

01:09:45.000 And just because we're youth doesn't mean that we're not going to stand up against them.

01:09:48.000 They're the so-called superiors.

01:09:50.000 Well, last time I checked, it was we, the people.

01:09:53.000 Well, see, it's a new religion.

01:09:54.000 They're indoctrinating you.

01:09:55.000 Hating your rights is good. 1.00

01:09:57.000 Men in black ski masks is good. 1.00

01:09:59.000 FEMA camps is good.

01:10:00.000 Attacking other countries is good. 1.00

01:10:02.000 It's all for your safety, because the evil terrorist attacks you on 9-11.

01:10:05.000 The PNAC plan all over again.

01:10:07.000 In closing, I want to have you back up in the next few weeks for a full hour.

01:10:10.000 We're really impressed with what you're doing.

01:10:12.000 I commend you.

01:10:12.000 I was going to have you on longer today, but a special guest was in town.

01:10:15.000 But in closing, a lot of schools, they tell young people, do not talk about 9-11.

01:10:20.000 Do not visit InfoWars.com.

01:10:23.000 You're saying you get reprimanded similarly if you do at your government training camp?

01:10:29.000 You get reprimanded?

01:10:32.000 What you're asking is that we get reprimanded?

01:10:33.000 Specifically you were saying you're not allowed to talk about 9-11 truth there in the prison, I mean the school.

01:10:38.000 Yes, exactly.

01:10:40.000 You're not allowed to talk about it, and if you do, they'll give you in-school suspensions where you're sitting in a room the whole entire day without contact.

01:10:48.000 They'll give you detention.

01:10:50.000 And when I mentioned free speech last year, this video has almost 100,000 hits.

01:10:54.000 When I mentioned free speech last year, they called the police into the school and they detained me for explaining my rights to them.

01:11:02.000 They had the police come in and detain me.

01:11:04.000 And that's where the police state starts in schools. 0.81

01:11:07.000 You know, let me do this.

01:11:07.000 Oh my God.

01:11:08.000 Let me set you up this week, because you're still out of school right now, right?

01:11:13.000 Yes, till January 5th.

01:11:16.000 So you've been given leave from the camp for a few days.

01:11:18.000 Let me set you up in the next two days to come on for a full hour, because I wasn't aware it was this bad.

01:11:22.000 I've seen... Well, there was another case of youth getting in trouble in Austin schools for even mentioning 9-11 Truth, and then they threatened to take them to jail, and then actually suspended one young man.

01:11:32.000 So, I mean, they call the cops on you for this now, huh?

01:11:37.000 Detain me?

01:11:38.000 Don't read me my rights?

01:11:40.000 Has that backfired on them though, with the other youth now wanting to know what all the hubbub's about?

01:11:40.000 Nothing.

01:11:44.000 Oh yeah, we hand out all these 9-11 stickers.

01:11:47.000 Everyone puts them on their lockers.

01:11:49.000 Everyone goes around talking about it.

01:11:50.000 Nobody submits to their tyranny anymore.

01:11:52.000 Oh, excellent.

01:11:53.000 It's blowing up in the tyrants' faces.

01:11:55.000 America is defending liberty.

01:11:56.000 The Republic is being defended by our young people.

01:11:59.000 I'm going to skip this break for PrisonPlanet.tv.

01:12:01.000 We're just part of it.

01:12:02.000 Here we go.

01:12:04.000 Alright, that's good.

01:12:05.000 I just, in closing, want to get Aaron, who's producing right now, to call you, Robert, and set you back up for the show for a full hour later this week.

01:12:15.000 I'm going to have him call you right now, okay?

01:12:18.000 Because I want to hear this whole story, and again, I really appreciate what you're doing.

01:12:18.000 Alright.

01:12:22.000 Alright, if it wasn't for sites like InfoWars and We Are Change, and people out there like you, Nathan Bolton, Luke, Rudowsky, everybody out there, the youth wouldn't be waking up.

01:12:33.000 Well, this is real rebellion.

01:12:35.000 This is real rebellion.

01:12:36.000 Not having dreadlocks or tattoos all over you.

01:12:39.000 I'm not saying people are bad that do that.

01:12:42.000 My point is that this is real rebellion against tyranny.

01:12:45.000 This is Rosa Parks level stuff.

01:12:48.000 I want to commend you and you just keep it.

01:12:50.000 I want to get the full story in the next few days.

01:12:52.000 We'll talk to you then.

01:12:52.000 Alright.

01:12:54.000 Thank you.

01:12:55.000 Folks, we're going to go back to Bright.

01:12:56.000 When we come back, Tommy Pallotta is going to be in studio.

01:12:58.000 Stay with us.

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01:14:08.000 9-11 was an inside job.

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01:14:16.000 It was engineered by you, David Rockefeller, the Trilateral Commission, the CFR.

01:14:21.000 The day that we stop asking questions is the day that we have allowed the seeds of justicism to grow at our own door.

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01:16:31.000 And he also does big art projects for international museums and things.

01:16:37.000 Directed a lot of MTV music videos back in the day.

01:16:40.000 Jack of all trades, good friend of mine.

01:16:42.000 And we've got Tommy here in studio with us.

01:16:44.000 Tommy, it's good to have you here.

01:16:45.000 It's good to be here in the new studio, Alex.

01:16:47.000 You bet, my friend.

01:16:50.000 So much is going on.

01:16:52.000 Let's get into the alternative media.

01:16:53.000 I think it's got the establishment worried.

01:16:55.000 Yeah.

01:16:56.000 Well, I mean, I'm pretty excited about it all.

01:16:58.000 I mean, there's more and more ways to disseminate information every day.

01:17:03.000 And it seems like people are taking advantage of that more and more.

01:17:05.000 And it seems like the sort of traditional media is becoming more and more fractured.

01:17:08.000 That audiences are, the audiences can find more things that they want to, you know, be informed about now.

01:17:15.000 Well, I agree with you.

01:17:17.000 You were just telling me about a particular little widget you use to listen over your The widget is for free.

01:17:23.000 It's funny, we had dinner last night and you were telling me about it.

01:17:25.000 That was the very day that Kurt Nemo added it to the Listen Live page.

01:17:29.000 Tell folks about that particular widget.

01:17:31.000 Well, Flycast, is that the one you're talking about?

01:17:32.000 Yeah, Flycast.

01:17:33.000 For my iPhone, I downloaded a little app called Flycast that allows me to listen to your show streaming every day.

01:17:39.000 So I think it uses Shoutcast to do that.

01:17:41.000 And my idea for you was that you create your own little application, or one of your listeners creates an application for you that would allow you to stream just your show, because you still have to search through that application to find your show.

01:17:54.000 And I thought it'd be great to have an InfoWars application, where You could kind of look at the New York Times application as well, that they're able to push articles and stuff like that on it, but also to stream your show.

01:18:06.000 If you want to volunteer to make us that application, we'll put it up.

01:18:09.000 And I would add for Kurt on the Flycast to try to add a link to their sub-directory, not just their main page, so folks can find us on there.

01:18:18.000 But I mean, that's the great news.

01:18:19.000 Now your iPhone, your cell phone, any of them, people can listen to the radio show.

01:18:24.000 Again, that further destroys the monopoly of the establishment.

01:18:26.000 That's why Barack Obama ...has now announced Internet 2 to openly take over the Internet and kind of kill the old web and force us onto the new one.

01:18:35.000 Where do you stand on that, Tommy?

01:18:37.000 Um, you know, I think we've got to be really careful.

01:18:39.000 And one of the main problems is that there's so much disinformation going on.

01:18:44.000 And, you know, I have hope that technology, or the people who really understand these new technologies, are going to work much faster than anybody trying to destroy that sort of flow of information.

01:18:56.000 So, you know, the levee's been open, and that information's coming out.

01:19:00.000 And they can make it harder, but it's hard to stop it completely.

01:19:03.000 That's what I was about to say.

01:19:04.000 They're trying to eat around the edges with taxes and regulation. 0.63

01:19:07.000 Internet rating, where the government runs you through their servers to put a rating up.

01:19:12.000 Australia's proposing the same system, but admitting it's Chinese-style censorship.

01:19:16.000 That's the headline.

01:19:17.000 So just the filter itself, they're predicting, will slow the web down by 75 to 85 percent, and then you'll go through a government server, which also snoops on everything you do.

01:19:26.000 Now, they're already doing it, but now they're being public about it.

01:19:30.000 Right.

01:19:30.000 Well, Echelon and things like that, I'm sure, has always been a part of it.

01:19:33.000 Exactly, but in the name of a web rating, they're admitting they're going to pass you through.

01:19:36.000 Right, right.

01:19:37.000 The web rating.

01:19:38.000 And then, I guess, Infowars.com will be rated for extreme, like a lot of corporations already ban us.

01:19:43.000 Right.

01:19:43.000 And that's their business, but it's different whenever governments do it.

01:19:47.000 Yeah, but again, I think that there's always going to be a way around that, and I think the great thing about your show is that I see it in many different ways.

01:19:53.000 I mean, it's on BitTorrent, it's on YouTube, you know, however much they're trying to stop it, you have redundancy even within your own websites.

01:20:00.000 So they can try to, you know, stop InfoWars.com, but people are going to take that information, you know, and disseminate it in other ways, which is always good.

01:20:09.000 No, exactly.

01:20:10.000 That's why we ask listeners to go and copy all the stories we write and then post them everywhere else.

01:20:15.000 Because they'll even block us on the search engines now.

01:20:18.000 But then it still gets out on other people's sites.

01:20:20.000 But enough about me.

01:20:21.000 We're talking about the alternative media.

01:20:22.000 You've been kind of an alternative outside the main Hollywood system, filmmaker in your own right.

01:20:28.000 What's going on with film right now and freedom in film?

01:20:31.000 Or is that still controlled by the big boys?

01:20:34.000 Well, more and more.

01:20:34.000 I mean, you know, I started with independent film, and now the sort of independent boutiques have all pretty much shut down.

01:20:42.000 So, again, it's, you know, it comes and goes in waves, I think, that right now it's pretty much all just a studio-type way to make films in America only, but I think more and more I'm looking at the European model of making movies where you're actually calling together financing from multiple sources, multiple countries and things like that.

01:21:00.000 And I think that everybody's going to have to get really creative in how to finance and distribute movies.

01:21:07.000 In the past, there was always kind of a one-stop shop.

01:21:09.000 You get money from one source, you go to one studio, they distribute it, and they pretty much had a cookie-cutter way to get that film out.

01:21:15.000 Those days are over.

01:21:16.000 I mean, I think that now you just have to be creative not only in the filmmaking aspect of it, but also in the distribution aspect of it, the financing, and just the marketing of it.

01:21:27.000 Absolutely.

01:21:28.000 Again, folks, in stores you can get Scanner Darkly.

01:21:32.000 you can get, you can get You know, films like Waking Life.

01:21:37.000 I was in a Best Buy last week and happened to see somebody literally there, you know, getting a copy of Scanner Darkling and then right next to it I saw a copy of Waking Life.

01:21:45.000 So, those both have serious political messages.

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01:25:02.000 Hey, that sounds like ice cream truck stuff.

01:25:09.000 Sounds like Christmas.

01:25:11.000 That's what Willie Nelson said on the show when he heard that music.

01:25:14.000 He was like, he just stopped talking and he went... Tommy Pallotta's with us for another 25 minutes in studio.

01:25:22.000 I hope you come back through town sooner.

01:25:23.000 We'll do two or three hours here on air.

01:25:26.000 If you're a fan of Waking Life, or a fan of Scanner Darkly, or any other films that Tom Issa produced, or some of the other films that he's directed, or if you'd like to talk to him about the media, the alternative media, what it's like making a really independent film of that big of stars like he did with Scanner Darkly, you're welcome to call in.

01:25:45.000 Phone calls about the new media, the attempts to censor the alternative media, 1-800-259-9231.

01:25:53.000 Tommy, specifically, you're into futurist ideas, and you've worked for some other big corporations just on the futurist angle.

01:26:00.000 With nanotech and technology and all of this genetic engineering, this doesn't just threaten the people.

01:26:07.000 There's also a lot of opportunities there.

01:26:09.000 And we see the system and the establishment may have all this innovation, but they've got old dinosaurs running it.

01:26:16.000 And, I mean, take 9-11.

01:26:17.000 That's an operation from the 60s, thinking they could control the media when they didn't.

01:26:22.000 And they're not omnipresent.

01:26:23.000 They're not God.

01:26:24.000 What type of opportunities do you see in this revolution of technology?

01:26:30.000 I'm not sure.

01:26:31.000 You know, I mean, I think that there's a lot of questions that are floating around right now.

01:26:36.000 And whenever those questions are out there, people are going to search for answers.

01:26:39.000 Some are going to be close to the truth, some might be really far off.

01:26:42.000 So, it's going to be hard and hard to sort of sift through that information.

01:26:45.000 And it's going to take people to really organize and get together.

01:26:49.000 Like, it always has been.

01:26:51.000 That's always been the challenge, is organization.

01:26:53.000 And getting people to move, you know, in a movement towards a common goal.

01:27:01.000 Do you agree?

01:27:02.000 Well, I mean, I know you agree because we've talked.

01:27:03.000 I mean, the system is in crisis.

01:27:05.000 I mean, the New World Order is attempting to take over.

01:27:09.000 You know, they've got that avarice, you know, they've got that propulsion system.

01:27:12.000 But at the same time, the more they try to grab, the more it slips through their fingers.

01:27:15.000 I mean, all the evidence shows the New World Order is in crisis.

01:27:15.000 I mean, it does.

01:27:18.000 Where do you see all this going?

01:27:21.000 It doesn't seem good.

01:27:21.000 It seems like they're opening up Pandora's box.

01:27:24.000 And the weird thing, I think, for us and maybe most of the listeners is that we're not really at the same morality level as these people that are doing these crimes.

01:27:35.000 I mean, the kind of morality that it takes to swindle billions of dollars is kind of foreign to me, and I bet most people.

01:27:43.000 Um, and how they can go ahead and do these things.

01:27:47.000 And they're just, they're working on different moral principles, I think.

01:27:50.000 And so that's a really difficult thing to sort of combat against because it's really hard for me to understand the psychology behind the kinds of crimes that these people are doing.

01:28:00.000 Well, I agree with you, but I mean, you see the criminal mindset.

01:28:03.000 I mean, they love big heists.

01:28:04.000 They love complex operations.

01:28:06.000 They love to fool the public.

01:28:09.000 And if you study the psychology of criminals, then you look at the New World Order.

01:28:13.000 I mean, isn't it the exact same mindset?

01:28:16.000 I mean, it's the same people.

01:28:17.000 Yeah, and I mean, the one thing that always kind of shocks me is just the lack of value for human life.

01:28:22.000 You know, I think you go out in the street, you talk to people, and people have a certain value, an inherent value on life, and these people don't seem to have that.

01:28:32.000 I agree.

01:28:33.000 I mean, projecting forward into the future, what do you see happening with the media itself?

01:28:39.000 This war between the alternative and the kind of old dinosaurs, because really that is how the people communicate with each other.

01:28:45.000 That's what sets the cultural parameters.

01:28:48.000 And I mean, you're an invited guest in Tokyo, Austin, Texas, LA, all over, particularly to speak on the future of the media, because you've been cutting edge in a lot of areas there.

01:28:58.000 I mean, here on air right now, where do you see things going in the next 5-10 years?

01:29:05.000 You know, you always hope for the best.

01:29:06.000 You always hope that people are going to educate themselves more and more.

01:29:11.000 I mean, unfortunately, right now, I would say that television is one of the main culprits for mind control.

01:29:18.000 But that doesn't mean that it's inherently evil.

01:29:20.000 It's just that, for the most part, it's being used in a really negative way.

01:29:24.000 And the great thing about the internet is that the potential is really great and all these other things like Twitter and ways to communicate and sort of organize people.

01:29:33.000 I hope that it's going to be used more and more.

01:29:38.000 Well, absolutely.

01:29:39.000 And again, that threatens the system.

01:29:40.000 In just a year, Twitter is now starting to rival YouTube and things for communicating to people worldwide.

01:29:46.000 I noticed last week somebody created an Infowars.com Twitter and it had thousands of people visiting it, so we just created one Saturday.

01:29:54.000 And, you know, it's already got a few hundred people on it.

01:29:56.000 I haven't even plugged it yet.

01:29:57.000 Yes, go to Infowars.com, link through to our Twitter page, and you can get those updates of text articles on your cell phone.

01:30:04.000 Again, how is the system going to deal with this?

01:30:07.000 We know that DARPA invented the World Wide Web to surveil and control all commerce.

01:30:12.000 We know they designed it to try to control people, but it's backfired on them, Tommy, and I agree with you.

01:30:17.000 I don't see them putting it back in Pandora's box.

01:30:21.000 I mean, again, it all comes down to the people, though.

01:30:23.000 I mean, there's no piece of technology that's going to save us.

01:30:26.000 There's no, you know, golden solution.

01:30:30.000 It's going to come down to people educating themselves, communicating with each other, and organizing.

01:30:35.000 And I also think being more cynical.

01:30:38.000 I mean, I think after World War II, we won the war, we were the good guys, we beat the bad guys, we can do no wrong, and then the evil just, it was already there, just exploded.

01:30:46.000 I think we have to come to grips with the fact that we really do have a corrupt evil empire.

01:30:51.000 You know, it's hard.

01:30:52.000 I mean, I wake up in the morning, I read the news, and it's hard to sort of find some sort of hope or optimism in all that.

01:30:57.000 I think you do a really good job of instilling that into the people in your show.

01:31:02.000 But I think a lot of people feel the same way.

01:31:03.000 And it's hard not to look at it and feel hopeless.

01:31:06.000 You know, I'm glad you're coming to South by Southwest this year.

01:31:09.000 I know you're a speaker there.

01:31:11.000 That hadn't been announced yet, so we won't get into any of the details, but I look forward to seeing you when you're actually here in town.

01:31:16.000 There's some other exciting things I won't be announcing as well, but when is South by Southwest, Tommy?

01:31:22.000 It's in March, mid-March.

01:31:25.000 Tell us some of the things you're working on right now that you can't.

01:31:27.000 I know a lot of stuff is in embryonic phases, so you don't want to Well, right now I'm doing a sort of series of portraits of people that are documentaries.

01:31:37.000 And one that I'm doing on is on Stephen Prince, who was a friend of Martin Scorsese's.

01:31:43.000 And Scorsese made a film of him in the 70s.

01:31:46.000 And I'm kind of visiting him 30 years later.

01:31:50.000 And another thing that I'm doing is I'm developing a Philip K. Dick short story called Electric Ant.

01:31:57.000 I'm working with some comic book writers to make a graphic novel out of it.

01:32:02.000 And it's also going to be called Electric Ant.

01:32:03.000 It's going to come out.

01:32:03.000 Marvel's going to distribute that.

01:32:05.000 And then we'll see a film, I bet, out of that.

01:32:06.000 Hopefully.

01:32:07.000 We'll see.

01:32:08.000 You're working on some other big films, but you can't get into those.

01:32:11.000 Yeah.

01:32:11.000 Some very exciting stuff.

01:32:13.000 Yeah, it's all, you know, I'm really interested in science fiction and thrillers for the most part, and I'm always kind of amazed at how a lot of these Uh, big mainstream movies almost have interesting ideas and they're kind of skirting around these things, like Eagle Eye.

01:32:26.000 I don't know if you saw that, but it's... No, is it good?

01:32:28.000 No, it's not that good.

01:32:29.000 But, you know, it kind of deals with surveillance and artificial intelligence and, you know, computers to... So the idea is interesting, just it's not executed well.

01:32:39.000 Right.

01:32:39.000 They definitely skirt it.

01:32:41.000 Eagle Eye.

01:32:42.000 Yeah.

01:32:44.000 You know, Philip K. Dick, so much of what he wrote about and thought about came true.

01:32:48.000 It was almost like he was pressing it.

01:32:50.000 Yeah.

01:32:52.000 I mean, I think about that.

01:32:52.000 I think that some people are just really open to what's happening around them.

01:32:56.000 And that Nixon era, when he was writing, that's sort of kind of the Bush era, too.

01:33:01.000 There's parallels to that.

01:33:03.000 And I think that some people are just more sensitive and they're more open to what's around them.

01:33:07.000 And in retrospect, it seems like they're prescient, but they're really just sort of reflecting those times.

01:33:12.000 Hey, what do you think of the new Diggs?

01:33:14.000 I love it, man.

01:33:14.000 It's amazing.

01:33:16.000 It's really cool.

01:33:17.000 It's an honor to be here.

01:33:18.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:33:19.000 In studio.

01:33:19.000 It's an honor to have you here, but we're going to build another TV studio out there just for television, so it isn't as crazy.

01:33:26.000 But we're doing the web thing.

01:33:27.000 We're doing everything live right now.

01:33:28.000 I'm going to take the best of each week and boil it down for a one-hour TV show.

01:33:32.000 I think we're going to do another TV show that's a live news program.

01:33:35.000 But I really miss you, man.

01:33:36.000 I miss going on those bike rides and hanging out and stuff.

01:33:41.000 Yeah, going out boating on Lake Travis, but you hop around.

01:33:45.000 I mean, you always kind of move back to Austin every five, six years.

01:33:48.000 Yeah.

01:33:48.000 You know, I've known you for about ten years now.

01:33:50.000 I circle.

01:33:51.000 Time sure flies.

01:33:52.000 When are you...

01:33:55.000 And now, do you want folks to know where you're living now?

01:33:58.000 Yeah, sure.

01:33:58.000 I'm living in Amsterdam currently.

01:34:01.000 You're living in the Netherlands?

01:34:02.000 Yep.

01:34:02.000 And you're working with a film company over there on some stuff?

01:34:05.000 Yep.

01:34:05.000 A film company called Submarine.

01:34:07.000 And it looks like I'm going to be doing a project in Abu Dhabi next for a museum there.

01:34:12.000 If folks want to find out more, what's the Submarine website?

01:34:17.000 It's Submarine.nl.

01:34:19.000 Netherlands.

01:34:20.000 Submarine.NL.

01:34:22.000 So you are just global.

01:34:24.000 Well, let's get to some phone calls or we'll never have time to take them.

01:34:28.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Betty in Wisconsin. 1.00

01:34:31.000 Betty, you're on the air with Tommy Pallotta.

01:34:36.000 Okay, who's up next here?

01:34:37.000 Because I got a big... Mark in Oregon, you're on the air.

01:34:40.000 Then Brian, Arnie, Leo and others.

01:34:42.000 Go ahead, Mark in Oregon.

01:34:44.000 Yeah, hey Alex and hey Tommy.

01:34:47.000 Great to speak with you.

01:34:48.000 I've got a suggestion I'd like to make to both of you, and it's an idea I've had solely to further the cause of exposing the truth of 9-11 and the other truths which are directly or indirectly related to it.

01:35:04.000 And that is actually a movie, and I would call the movie, perhaps, Alex Jones the movie.

01:35:13.000 I would call the movie a day in the life of Alex Jones, where he's starting out first frame on the treadmill.

01:35:19.000 Basically, Alex, it will require perhaps a speaking tour, a global speaking tour, to promote the movie, and you've always been interested in doing that.

01:35:29.000 I know times are the essence these days, and both of you gentlemen have to allocate your time to the greatest effect, toward exposing the truth that needs to be exposed.

01:35:39.000 Um, but I wanted to suggest that I thought it would be something you could ponder on in the future, both of you, and Alex knows enough people that are associated with... No, no, no, let's make a movie about a day in the life of Tommy Pilata.

01:35:52.000 No, no.

01:35:54.000 Alex, you'll go a long way if there's a movie about you.

01:35:57.000 It'll make millions.

01:35:58.000 I don't even care about the money thing.

01:36:00.000 Look, I don't have any future to spend any money if we don't turn this around, man.

01:36:04.000 Listen, filmmaking takes a lot of time, a lot of energy.

01:36:07.000 Even if you're like Steven Spielberg, it's hard to get the very film you want made.

01:36:11.000 I mean, Empire Strikes Back, George Lucas almost had that taken away from him.

01:36:16.000 Tommy, explain this to people that it's hard to do things like this.

01:36:20.000 Well, it also changes.

01:36:21.000 I mean, it's a very fluid business.

01:36:24.000 And right now, you know, like, Waking Life was a movie that Alex was... It's evergreen, by the way!

01:36:28.000 Bigger than ever now, right?

01:36:29.000 And Alex has one of my favorite scenes in the whole movie.

01:36:33.000 But that movie at that time was made completely independently, and we sold it to a distributor, and it got some distribution.

01:36:39.000 But, you know, now the way that things are, I don't think that that same movie would sell the same way.

01:36:44.000 And I don't think it would get seen the same way.

01:36:46.000 You know, it's really a lot to do with timing.

01:36:49.000 Exactly.

01:36:50.000 As they say, the planets have to align.

01:36:51.000 And I appreciate your call.

01:36:54.000 I hate talking about myself. 0.95

01:36:55.000 This is ridiculous, Mark. 0.55

01:36:56.000 I appreciate it.

01:36:58.000 Trying to explain this, look, Discovery Channel, and I'm not going to get into it because they asked me not to say too much, but some of it's been in the news now so I can talk about it, made a $3.5 million film.

01:37:11.000 Because Discovery was going to go the way of a BBC or an HBO.

01:37:17.000 They wanted a name for real filmmaking.

01:37:19.000 So one of the top filmmakers in the country in documentary, he's like the number two guy, he spent three and a half million dollars.

01:37:25.000 I was one of the main characters.

01:37:28.000 And then he wouldn't make it a hit piece on me.

01:37:32.000 And so it was shelved.

01:37:34.000 And this is the first film he's ever made that just went in the toilet.

01:37:38.000 I mean, it's on the Discovery, and then the person, the new person they brought in to totally change Discovery, they got sacked over it.

01:37:45.000 So see, you have to understand, folks, bomb makers own Hollywood.

01:37:48.000 Bomb makers, you know, private banks, people that run wars.

01:37:52.000 And so you can even have the president of a company wanting to put you in a movie or TV.

01:37:55.000 Tommy, explain this to them. 0.99

01:37:57.000 The crap people have to go through. 0.98

01:37:59.000 Well, I mean, like anything, you're making something with somebody else's money. 0.95

01:38:03.000 So that automatically gives them a great influence on what you're making.

01:38:08.000 And very few people have directors cut.

01:38:11.000 You know, that they get to whatever they make, the studio has to show.

01:38:15.000 Very, very few people.

01:38:16.000 Rick gets that.

01:38:16.000 Yes.

01:38:18.000 We've gotten that on the movies that we've made that you've been in.

01:38:21.000 You got that.

01:38:21.000 You're the one that got it.

01:38:22.000 So, you know, it's a difficult thing to achieve and usually you have to trade off.

01:38:27.000 You have to take less money in order to get that.

01:38:30.000 So a lot of people aren't willing to do that either.

01:38:33.000 Yeah, that's the big issue.

01:38:35.000 And then you've got to go convince all the stars to do it for almost nothing.

01:38:38.000 Yeah, that's the same thing.

01:38:39.000 I mean, that's a rarity.

01:38:41.000 What you did with Scanner Darkly, that's really hard to do, isn't it?

01:38:46.000 Yeah, I mean, it takes a lot of goodwill from a lot of people, and a lot of people getting on board.

01:38:50.000 And luckily, Keanu Reeves and Robert Downey Jr.

01:38:54.000 and actors of that caliber really were attracted to the script, the book that it was based on, and also Richard Linklater, the director.

01:39:02.000 Man, it's a totally different film.

01:39:05.000 The establishment did not like it though.

01:39:07.000 You know, it's hard to say.

01:39:09.000 The great thing about it is that once the movie's out there, it's out there.

01:39:14.000 I actually really love what's going on with Bit Torrent and how the movies are getting out there.

01:39:18.000 I've traveled all around the world.

01:39:21.000 Even movies that I've made that haven't been distributed in those countries, they are developing a fan base.

01:39:28.000 I went to Korea recently and we showed Scanner Darkly.

01:39:33.000 And I asked the audience, how many people have seen the movie already?

01:39:37.000 And, you know, BitTorrent's really big in Korea.

01:39:40.000 And over 80% of the people, Roser, raised their hands.

01:39:42.000 So it's big!

01:39:43.000 Yeah.

01:39:44.000 But the thing about it is, is that they still came, they still paid for the movie, they still came to see it with an audience.

01:39:49.000 So that shows me that, like, piracy necessarily doesn't mean that people will stop paying to have that shared experience.

01:39:56.000 In fact, it gives some alternative art a shot at actually being seen.

01:39:59.000 So, I mean, I'm always happy to see... Well, you don't like to whine and bitch, but there was some pressure that was bucked, and you guys didn't go along with it with Scanner, but I guess you don't want to get into that?

01:39:59.000 Right.

01:40:07.000 Well, I mean, I think... Like they didn't want the cop blowing the guy's head off?

01:40:10.000 Yeah, I mean, there's... you always get these studio notes when you're making a film, and you always are kind of wondering, are they even watching the same movie that you're making?

01:40:20.000 And, you know, it's a process, and you have to sort of argue passionately to keep the things in that you want to keep in.

01:40:26.000 And you have to justify it, which is alright, because most of the time I feel pretty firmly about what I believe, and I'm willing to argue about that with anyone.

01:40:34.000 Absolutely.

01:40:35.000 Folks, we're playing a YouTube clip of Scanner Darkly up there.

01:40:39.000 It does not do it justice.

01:40:40.000 Buy the DVD.

01:40:41.000 We have a link, by the way, on JonesReport.com where you can go over there and buy the DVD.

01:40:45.000 I recommend you do that and support alternative media information.

01:40:49.000 I've talked to a lot of folks in Hollywood who want to make films like you're making, Tommy.

01:40:52.000 They just, I guess, don't have the I don't want to say skill, things don't line up for them to ever get, I mean even big names, to get to make something that's truly independent like you've been able to do over and over again.

01:41:05.000 Well I mean part of it's luck too.

01:41:07.000 I mean it's not that it's a, you know, sometimes it's being in the right place at the right time and sometimes it's just being able to go with opportunities, you know, at the time that you see them, you seize those opportunities.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, a lot of folks do kind of prattle around and flim, you know, kind of just bumble around with opportunity.

01:41:24.000 You've got to seize destiny in your jaws.

01:41:26.000 Let's talk to Bryant in New Jersey.

01:41:29.000 Bryant, you're on the air with director and film producer Tommy Pallotta.

01:41:34.000 Hi, guys.

01:41:34.000 How are you today?

01:41:35.000 Good.

01:41:35.000 Go ahead.

01:41:39.000 Everything about the media, it's almost amazing to see how they're Oh, I'm to everybody like every day.

01:41:39.000 I'm good.

01:41:52.000 He has people watching Obama's.

01:41:57.000 They still support him.

01:41:59.000 And it's amazing to see this happening every day.

01:42:02.000 People still know that they're being lied to, but yet they still believe in and somehow the media is Make them think it's true.

01:42:14.000 Yeah, let me comment on that.

01:42:15.000 It sounds like you're a bit nervous there.

01:42:16.000 Don't worry, we all are.

01:42:17.000 And we'll come back and have Tommy come on it.

01:42:21.000 Look, this is what's happening.

01:42:24.000 That's why the establishment gave people the novelty of a black guy. 0.89

01:42:27.000 I'd love it if it was a black guy and he was for liberty and anti-war or whatever. 0.88

01:42:30.000 You know, pro-freedom. 0.61

01:42:31.000 But again, it's form.

01:42:33.000 It's packaging over substance.

01:42:35.000 And so, Obama lied to everybody and said he was anti-surveillance, anti-NAFTA, anti-war.

01:42:41.000 Now he's flip-flopping on all of that.

01:42:43.000 And folks are getting upset, but so many of them wanted to believe, wanted to be sold on that, but now they'll be even more cynical.

01:42:50.000 And more sophisticated in understanding what's happening.

01:42:52.000 I want every minute with Tommy in the time we've got left.

01:42:55.000 So from PrisonPlanet.tv, we are going to skip this break.

01:42:58.000 The rest of the network will be back in three short minutes.

01:43:00.000 Please stay with us.

01:43:03.000 Tommy, you want to comment on that?

01:43:05.000 We're going out right now on PresidentPlanet.tv.

01:43:07.000 I don't want to waste any time.

01:43:08.000 I want to answer that caller's comment.

01:43:10.000 Well, you know, I was just thinking, you know, was there really a choice for a presidential election?

01:43:15.000 I mean, we had two candidates and, you know, I was in Amsterdam during the elections and I think like 90, 85 or 90 percent of the people were for Obama in Amsterdam.

01:43:27.000 Or in Holland, you know, total.

01:43:30.000 I saw the report.

01:43:30.000 It was 90 percent.

01:43:33.000 You know, I found myself really sort of biting my tongue while I was there because people had so much hope that something was going to change.

01:43:38.000 And it wasn't that you were for McCain.

01:43:40.000 People were so sympathetic that you knew it was a selected false choice.

01:43:44.000 Right.

01:43:44.000 And just as far as, you know, the damage that the Bush administration has done over the last eight years, there was no other choice other than Obama.

01:43:53.000 I mean, the Obama thing.

01:43:54.000 And the way that he really positioned that, or whoever positioned it, was that like... Yeah, you had to repudiate Bush.

01:43:59.000 Exactly.

01:44:00.000 Um, and so, you know, I, you hope for the best and you prepare for the worst, you know, as the saying goes.

01:44:09.000 Yeah, but I mean, the betrayal is so over the top.

01:44:11.000 Yeah, the cabinet members were, you know, just right off the bat, they all were bad choices.

01:44:16.000 But I mean, obviously, gay marriage, marriage, all that's a football issue, but then he goes and appoints the big anti-gay guy to give his inauguration.

01:44:23.000 I mean, it's like, and he appoints the warmongers, and he appoints the, I mean, my whole point is, regardless of where you are on those issues, he's going 180 degrees from his base. 0.98

01:44:33.000 He's kind of bitch-slapping them, you know? 0.99

01:44:35.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing, and you have to really wonder what the psychology behind that is. 1.00

01:44:40.000 It's bitch slapping! 1.00

01:44:41.000 He's pimping the hoes! 1.00

01:44:43.000 I'm sorry.

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:49.000 What else?

01:44:51.000 No, but I mean, how bad do you see this getting?

01:44:54.000 I was asking Ed Asner, though.

01:44:55.000 God, man, how bad.

01:44:57.000 Um, you know, I think economically there's only, it's only going to get much worse.

01:45:02.000 And I'm sure that you're talking about that all the time here.

01:45:05.000 And you know, it doesn't, you don't need a crystal ball to see that.

01:45:09.000 And I think as soon as, but I mean on the flip side, I think once people really start to suffer, then they'll start to become much more proactive and they'll start to educate themselves.

01:45:18.000 But then in a way he'll organize.

01:45:19.000 Well I mean I agree, but then he'll act again as a diversion as people realize he betrayed them, they're going to think he's actually running something and blame him when the guy's a puppet.

01:45:28.000 So in a way I'm even defending Obama, I'm saying we need to depoliticize him.

01:45:33.000 Right.

01:45:33.000 Just like I said with Bush, as bad as he is, it's Rumsfeld, it's these other people, I mean it's like Zbigniew Brzezinski.

01:45:39.000 Right.

01:45:39.000 I mean, this is a guy that wrote the Neocon handbook and then they just stole it from him.

01:45:43.000 Right.

01:45:43.000 I don't know, Tommy.

01:45:44.000 I just envy you and the Netherlands, because my parents were just over there and they said that's their favorite place in Europe.

01:45:49.000 I've never been there.

01:45:50.000 You know, it was really important for me to get out and sort of gain some perspective from here.

01:45:54.000 I mean, it was just sort of driving me crazy and reading the news every single day here, and I found a certain peace.

01:45:58.000 Not that I think that Europe is going to be I mean, it's a global crisis that's happening.

01:46:04.000 It's going to affect everybody around the world.

01:46:06.000 But it was nice to sort of get away for a little while.

01:46:09.000 Let's go back to the full audience.

01:46:10.000 Here we go.

01:46:14.000 Tommy Bellotta is our guest, and it has been really fun having him here in the studio.

01:46:18.000 We'll make a few final calls from, I guess, Arnie, Leo, and a few others.

01:46:26.000 Fox News is reporting that Rahm Emanuel just resigned.

01:46:29.000 See, the military industrial complex is blackmailing Obama with all this news.

01:46:36.000 Will you guys check that and confirm and see if that's true?

01:46:39.000 John, did you confirm that?

01:46:42.000 Okay, well we'll see if that's true then.

01:46:44.000 Somebody may have talked about him, may resign.

01:46:46.000 I've heard they're saying he may resign. 0.98

01:46:48.000 But again, people are all, look, they're all crooks.

01:46:50.000 Resco and Chicago folks, they are surveilling every governor in the country. 0.99

01:46:55.000 They're basically, most of them are corrupt. 0.90

01:46:57.000 I'll put it to you that way. 0.99

01:46:59.000 Especially Chicago. 0.99

01:47:00.000 And then they burn you.

01:47:01.000 Look, Spitzer went after Bank of America and the brokerage firms. 0.99

01:47:05.000 Boom, the hooker news comes out. 1.00

01:47:07.000 This guy, you know, is selling Senate seats. 0.95

01:47:09.000 Of course he was.

01:47:10.000 I'm not saying it's okay.

01:47:12.000 I'm saying, what is the FBI doing surveilling all these people?

01:47:15.000 They're using it where if they want to hammer them, they can.

01:47:18.000 Tommy?

01:47:18.000 Right.

01:47:18.000 Well, I mean, I think more and more we're moving into that surveillance state.

01:47:23.000 And it is the way, and we've talked about it many times, that that is a prison planet.

01:47:27.000 You know, you no longer need to put people in cages if you have all this information on them.

01:47:31.000 You introduced me to the Panopticon and full cults. 0.99

01:47:35.000 Discipline and Punish.

01:47:36.000 Discipline and Punish.

01:47:37.000 Well, that is a heavy read.

01:47:38.000 Yeah, it is.

01:47:39.000 It is.

01:47:40.000 And, you know, I'm also thinking about making a documentary that sort of goes down to the history of the prison systems and torture and how that relates to sort of modern day.

01:47:48.000 Well, it's awesome, Tommy.

01:47:50.000 You're doing so much.

01:47:51.000 I want to make our NASA documentary.

01:47:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:53.000 That's, you know, again, that's the dream, I think.

01:47:55.000 After these next couple of films, we'll look at NASA and see what they're doing.

01:48:00.000 There's so many projects.

01:48:01.000 It's a little time here.

01:48:03.000 Long way to go.

01:48:04.000 A short time to get there.

01:48:05.000 Arnie in California.

01:48:07.000 You're on the air worldwide.

01:48:10.000 Hello?

01:48:10.000 Yes, sir.

01:48:11.000 This is Arnie, and I go to school in Washington, and I just wanted to sympathize with Robert, who you had on earlier.

01:48:17.000 Yes.

01:48:18.000 I know how it is.

01:48:19.000 We have cameras everywhere, and it's insane how, if you think outside of the box, especially with regards to drugs and 9-11, Yeah, they're training you how to be a prisoner.

01:48:29.000 It would be better for your child to not even be in school.

01:48:32.000 Oh, yeah, definitely.

01:48:32.000 Self-education.

01:48:33.000 I don't know.

01:48:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:48:34.000 It would be better for your child not to go to school than to be in a public school, folks.

01:48:37.000 Yeah.

01:48:38.000 Sorry, what?

01:48:40.000 You didn't come to a...

01:48:41.000 It would be better for your child to not even be in school.

01:48:44.000 Oh, yeah, definitely.

01:48:46.000 Self-education.

01:48:47.000 Like, Thomas Jefferson just never let schooling get in the way of your education and freely think, not the group think.

01:48:53.000 Absolutely.

01:48:55.000 Absolutely, Ari.

01:48:56.000 Anything else?

01:48:56.000 Yeah, I just had a question.

01:48:58.000 How do we overcome this?

01:49:00.000 Is there any method that you have thought of or that people have shared with you?

01:49:06.000 People expect everything to be out of a hamburger window at McDonald's quick.

01:49:11.000 No, it's a process. 0.94

01:49:12.000 We've gotten decadent, evil, corrupt, out of shape mentally as a nation.

01:49:16.000 We have to get back in shape.

01:49:19.000 You know, again, you've just got to educate yourself, you've got to educate the people around you.

01:49:23.000 You know, it'll start small, but it'll spread.

01:49:25.000 And then you have to organize, and then you have to act.

01:49:27.000 Absolutely.

01:49:28.000 I appreciate your call.

01:49:29.000 I hate to cut you off, Ari.

01:49:30.000 Leo and Matt, you've got one minute.

01:49:32.000 Take us out of here.

01:49:33.000 Go ahead, Leo.

01:49:34.000 Yeah, hi.

01:49:35.000 I've been looking forward to somebody coming out with a basic template, done in the format of a movie, maybe, just for entertainment.

01:49:43.000 But, basically, to stop Web 2.0, and expose it worldwide and offer us ways of combating it and then translating it into a bunch of different languages, keeping it simple stupid, basically, so that it's easy to translate.

01:49:59.000 Well, you know, I've done some little presentations, enough respect, and many others have done it.

01:50:02.000 I appreciate your call.

01:50:03.000 A manual to resign House seat on Friday.

01:50:07.000 This is Fox News.

01:50:08.000 It is confirmed.

01:50:10.000 And I will be back tomorrow, 11 to 3 p.m.

01:50:13.000 Central Time, to cover the aftermath of maybe he's resigning to go join the IDF.

01:50:18.000 You know, he's an Israeli Assad agent, publicly.

01:50:20.000 I mean, literally, he was in the IDF.

01:50:23.000 So, uh, and we want to pray for all those folks dying on both sides over in Israel and Palestine.

01:50:28.000 Tommy Pallotta, you are super brother!

01:50:30.000 All right, it's good to be here.

01:50:32.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are out of time.

01:50:34.000 End of transmission.

01:50:35.000 Rebroadcast starts now at one place on the screens.

01:50:39.000 Infowars.com.

01:50:40.000 Get out there and take on the New World Order.

01:50:42.000 God bless you all.

01:50:45.000 Thank you for listening to GCN.

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