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00:01:14.000 Alright, we have a very distinguished guest.

00:01:16.000 I was actually lucky enough to interview him while I was hosting the Alex Jones Show over the summer this year.

00:01:22.000 He's the author of many books and his latest article is Marshall Law, The Financial Bailout and War.

00:01:27.000 It's Peter Dale Scott.

00:01:28.000 Thank you for joining us, sir.

00:01:29.000 I'm glad to be back.

00:01:31.000 Hi there.

00:01:32.000 Well, let's just get right into it.

00:01:33.000 I mean, in the very beginning of this article, you not only talk about Paulson and the bailout there, but you also talk about how Congress was strong-armed into initially passing this, because the initial bailout did fail, and then it was re-proposed, and after a few members, including Inhofe and Sherman, were threatened with martial law, it magically passed, didn't it, Peter?

00:01:55.000 Yes, well, there was an atmosphere of threat used on Congress.

00:02:01.000 I think that the bailout was ill-advised, certainly in the form that it was.

00:02:07.000 And, of course, the excuse that was used was that they had to act immediately.

00:02:12.000 But I think a test of what is really bad about this bailout law is that it's a means for taking public funds and giving them to enrich the rich after they had made very disastrous investments, which went sour.

00:02:30.000 Instead of moral hazard applying and they're having to pay for it, we are stepping in to pay.

00:02:37.000 And it may be that something like this has to be done.

00:02:40.000 But it should have been done with restraints, for example, to tell them that they can't go on paying these outrageous bonuses for their misdeeds, that they cannot continue to distribute dividends.

00:02:53.000 You know, 85% of the stock in this country is owned by the richest 10% in the country.

00:03:01.000 If you pass a public law to guarantee the continuation of dividends to banks, which in fact are losing money badly, you're using the public treasury to enrich the rich.

00:03:13.000 And that's a symptom of what's really wrong in this country, I think, that wealth has taken control of both parties.

00:03:21.000 And it was the influence of wealth that drove that legislation through.

00:03:26.000 And it's, of course, just happening again right now, and it's not quite over because, once again, it will go into conference committee, and I think this time they're intending to cut off bonuses and intending to cut off dividends, but I think we should watch very closely to see if this actually happens when the final bill is signed.

00:03:48.000 Well, there's definitely some political grandstanding now going on as the administrations are about to switch.

00:03:52.000 I mean, now for the first time I'm seeing the media report, conservatives ask if bailout is unconstitutional.

00:03:58.000 And I would say, yes, it's absolutely unconstitutional.

00:04:01.000 But now the mainstream is going to make this into a right-left argument, especially with the House Democrats now proposing a $825 billion stimulus bill.

00:04:11.000 I mean, is there any end in sight to these bailout packages, to these stimulus bills?

00:04:15.000 I mean, what do you see happening in the next six months?

00:04:18.000 Well, I think I've always been uninclined to predict the future.

00:04:25.000 I think it's an easy way to make big mistakes, but particularly right now, we really are going into, you know, people point back to the depression of the 1930s as an example of where we've been before.

00:04:44.000 But I think we're possibly in an even worse crisis than we were then, and one thing for sure is that America's profile in the world is greater than it was, so that the world will suffer more acutely. 0.53

00:05:01.000 Yes, the short answer to your question is, absolutely, there's going to be more and more bailing out, trillions of dollars, people have estimated up to $8.5 trillion.

00:05:12.000 Some of it will be done through Congress, and a lot of it already has been done.

00:05:17.000 A trillion or more has been done through the Federal Reserve, and people should understand that what the Federal Reserve does is using our money, but they don't go to Congress.

00:05:29.000 They're using the powers that were granted them decades ago, and it's completely secret.

00:05:38.000 There's no accountability.

00:05:40.000 And you get the irony that Bloomberg, who's a billionaire, his company is suing the Federal Reserve to force them to say what they've been doing with our money.

00:05:53.000 And you really have reached a point where it's no longer democracy, it's taxation without representation going on through the Federal Reserve.

00:06:03.000 So they're left, right, and center in every direction.

00:06:08.000 Treatment of the banks, treatment of the big multinational corporations.

00:06:13.000 We're going to see huge bailouts with a minimum of control.

00:06:18.000 And I think all we can do from outside is to insist that here are the things that we should insist on.

00:06:24.000 One, as much transparency as possible.

00:06:27.000 There was really no transparency in the first bailout, Paulson's bailout.

00:06:32.000 And what I think is a vital criterion is Democracy is suffering right now because we're getting, for about 30 years now, we've been getting rapidly increasing disparity between wealth and poverty in this country.

00:06:49.000 The rich, there are ways of measuring this, and America has become, of all the Western countries, probably the leading example of extreme disparity between wealth and poverty.

00:07:03.000 And the criterion that should be applied to every law that's passed and all these bailouts is, will it diminish the disparity of wealth and income in this country, or will it increase it?

00:07:16.000 And if it increases it, it's a bad law.

00:07:19.000 And that, I think, is something, it's a sign of the problem that this obvious criterion has hardly been invoked.

00:07:30.000 It has come up, I think, with the auto industry.

00:07:34.000 I think it's perfectly obvious that if you're going to ask the workers to accept less in their paycheck, then you should ask the people who probably are being overpaid at the top to accept less too, particularly because it was their failure of leadership that led into this crisis.

00:07:52.000 Does that not make sense?

00:07:54.000 I absolutely agree with you, and it's just disgusting how, you know, like you said, the upper echelon continue to rake in the bonuses, still have these massive salaries and the hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars in most cases, and like you said, it's going to be the common worker who loses his pension, who loses his 401k, who loses his benefits, and may not even have a job, because I really don't see the auto industry surviving another year in this country.

00:08:19.000 We don't make anything left.

00:08:20.000 There's nothing we make in this country.

00:08:21.000 The last thing was cars.

00:08:23.000 And that's about to end.

00:08:24.000 And going back to what you said... How great is that?

00:08:26.000 I think we're pretty good in high-tech.

00:08:28.000 Well, that's true.

00:08:29.000 We've outsourced a lot of it, but the central leadership of that industry is... Yeah, but most of it's still built in India or China.

00:08:36.000 Yes.

00:08:37.000 A lot of the jobs have gone, but the... America is... You know, now we're talking about something that's been happening over 50 years, and that is that We've put so much emphasis on maintaining our military that we've allowed civilian industry and the civilian economy to migrate to other countries.

00:09:05.000 One of the things we have to say about this bailout is that the crisis it faced should have been faced much earlier.

00:09:13.000 And worse than that, the states addressed the problem of predatory lending, which is at the heart of it, because here were very unscrupulous companies going out and hard-selling mortgages to people who they knew couldn't sustain them, particularly because these were variable mortgages that would start with a very reasonable rate, which they intended

00:09:39.000 To jack up to 11, 12, 15% usurious rates.

00:09:44.000 They knew that this was all a phony operation and that this is where the big banks are culpable because they, uh, the, uh, first of all, they lobbied for Congress to make it easier to do this sort of thing for them to invest in it.

00:10:00.000 And then they packaged all these mortgages into securities, which they sold all over the world.

00:10:06.000 So that's why we have a world crisis now based on the failure and the downturn in the American housing market.

00:10:15.000 Little innocent countries like Iceland, who have done no wrong to anybody, are suffering terribly because the banking system of the world has supported this bubble and now is having to pay for it everywhere, every part of the world.

00:10:34.000 There's one other thing.

00:10:35.000 You could easily, in legislation, establish a principle of some kind of ratio between the richest return and the poorest in any business.

00:10:46.000 If a worker in an industry is getting, I don't know, shall we say 30,000 a year, you establish a limit, maybe 20 times that, which would be the maximum That anybody in that industry can make.

00:11:02.000 And this has been kicked around for some years as a solution to the problem of disparity of income.

00:11:09.000 But I'm not sure that our two parties that are so heavily subsidized by the wealthy are going to put that into legislation.

00:11:19.000 But they should.

00:11:20.000 So just say 20 times as much as the basic pay is the most that anybody can make in any industry.

00:11:27.000 Is that not reasonable?

00:11:28.000 It seems reasonable to guys like you and me, but to the global elite, that's going to cut into their profit margin quite a bit.

00:11:35.000 Yeah, it scares them, exactly.

00:11:37.000 And that's what we learned in the bailout last fall, is how vigorously they fought to maintain their bonuses and maintain their dividends.

00:11:49.000 Even though they're lucky not to be in jail, some of those people.

00:11:52.000 And some of them actually still, not just Madoff, but a number of other people.

00:11:56.000 I think they're super lucky.

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00:16:31.000 And we're talking bailout with Peter Dale Scott.

00:16:34.000 We're also talking the Federal Reserve.

00:16:35.000 And I want to remind people that the Federal Reserve is an independent organization.

00:16:39.000 I mean, you can watch Alan Greenspan on PBS actually tout that, oh, we're independent of the federal government and actually we have no oversight and we're really above the president in many respects.

00:16:50.000 And if you see how the Federal Reserve works, the board, And correct me if I'm wrong, Peter, but I believe that you vote for your, you're a constituent, you vote for your congressmen, your senators, and things like that, but those people are the ones who actually decide who's going to be on the board of the Federal Reserve, and they serve, I want to say, what is it, 13?

00:17:11.000 No, it's 13 members, and what do they serve, eight-year terms?

00:17:14.000 Yes, it's a considered way of preventing people, people just printing money.

00:17:23.000 The idea of it is, and by the way, you do get something like this in England and in France, because they're frightened of democracy cheapening money, because obviously, I don't know what the right solution here is.

00:17:43.000 I'm not as frightened My real fear is not the particular individuals who are in the Federal Reserve.

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00:18:34.000 It wasn't totally evil at the beginning, but Ever since America started having to tighten its belt, which is roughly at the end of the Vietnam War, it's been done in such a way as to protect the rich and let somebody else pay.

00:18:52.000 And what we've seen from this is declining income in the third world, which of course leads to increased violence in the third world, and declining income, real income, not just what The numbers on a paycheck, but real income has been declining for the working class in this country, and increasingly now for the middle class as well. 0.87

00:19:15.000 And that's why I say, you know, you've had this bubble, this financial bubble, that is being, in a sense, extracting wealth out of the body politic, depositing it in the bank accounts of the rich, and now the bailouts are still, in a sense, trying to preserve that particular relationship.

00:19:36.000 We've got to talk about martial law and war in this program, but I really am, of course, very wound up about this influence as well.

00:19:44.000 Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to move into.

00:19:46.000 You know, martial law, the financial bailout, and more.

00:19:49.000 Where does martial law fit into all this?

00:19:51.000 Not only were they threatened with martial law, but we have an Obama administration that says that they're going to redistribute troops into Afghanistan.

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00:20:06.000 I mean, is martial law here at home something that we should really be worried about?

00:20:11.000 Preparations for martial law have been increasing constantly for the last 30 years.

00:20:19.000 It really goes back to the troubles back in the 1960s and 1970s when there was a case, actually.

00:20:28.000 I think I approved of calling out the troops in places like Detroit because the federal troops were not as racist as the local police and were more efficient in restoring order.

00:20:41.000 But, traditionally in this country, as I'm sure most of the audience know, you only use federal troops in an extreme emergency.

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00:21:45.000 We'll be back with Peter Dale Scott, martial law, the financial bailout, and more.

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00:25:18.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

00:25:20.000 We're live right now, streaming video over at PrisonPlanet.tv, and we're talking to Peter Dale Scott, author of The War Conspiracy and many other books.

00:25:28.000 I think that was actually a banned book for quite some time.

00:25:32.000 He coined the term parapolitics.

00:25:34.000 And we were just talking about the continuity of government program often referred to as the shadow government.

00:25:40.000 You were talking about how it was revamped in the 80s, or I'm sorry, in the 80s under Reagan.

00:25:47.000 And what I found in my research, and I have a little part of it in Fabled Enemies, is in the late 80s, early 90s, the National Programs Office took over the COG.

00:25:57.000 responsibilities under George H.W. Bush, the then vice president, and it just expanded their powers.

00:26:04.000 It was almost the birth of the sole source contract where they went into all these little black ops modes.

00:26:08.000 Why don't you talk about that?

00:26:10.000 And just to carry it on, at the end of the G.H.W. Bush administration, the New York Times ran an article and said that there was no more atomic, you know, with the disappearance of the Soviet Union, they were no longer so frightened with the disappearance of the Soviet Union, they were no longer so frightened of an atomic attack, so they were winding

00:26:31.000 It was a very misleading article, because what had happened was that they had shifted the planning from an atomic focus to just any emergency, and one of the last acts of the Reagan administration was to pass an executive order that made that official, that it could be any emergency.

00:26:53.000 So the planning continued under Clinton.

00:26:56.000 And according to Alexander Coburn, Clinton had no real idea of the extent of this planning.

00:27:03.000 He must have had some idea of it, because he signed a couple of orders himself.

00:27:09.000 But the really extraordinary thing is that in the 90s under Clinton, Cheney nor Rumsfeld had anything to do with the government, Each of them was a CEO of a major corporation.

00:27:24.000 But the planning continued and the Army has... One of the last troops of the Clinton administration was a new directive for the Army which legitimized the idea that the army would permanently have what they call a co-op, a continuity of operations program in the army.

00:27:49.000 For the first time, instead, the people who had worried about an attack from abroad would now worry from an attack at home from violence of any form.

00:28:01.000 And right after 9-11, we got a whole series of things, which I'm sure were COG plans, one of which is going to be very important in the future, and that is the creation of an army command for North America.

00:28:17.000 Just like you have a command for South Com for South America, there's now North Com for North America.

00:28:24.000 And last September, they announced that they moved a combat brigade from Iraq to the United States, ready for combat in the United States.

00:28:35.000 This is entirely, entirely unprecedented.

00:28:39.000 And it's been announced that this is probably, you know, they announced it in connection with the inauguration.

00:28:47.000 And we've seen since then, the troops are now in Washington, controlling Washington.

00:28:54.000 But this is not an ad hoc thing.

00:28:56.000 This is a permanent thing under this new order.

00:28:59.000 Absolutely, and you know what?

00:29:00.000 Let's play the clip of Obama before he's elected, talking about a civilian security force, and he's openly said that he's going to bring 20,000 troops into the United States for domestic operations.

00:29:12.000 Let's play that clip.

00:29:15.000 We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.

00:29:23.000 We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

00:29:32.000 Alright, so, you know, it really does seem like, again, these are continuations that you see, whether it's Republican or Democrat, just like you said, began with Reagan, into the Bush 1 administration, continuity of government plans were then still expanded upon in the Clinton administration.

00:29:49.000 And then, of course, under the Bush II administration, like you said, COG was put into place on 9-11.

00:29:54.000 A lot of people don't understand that.

00:29:56.000 There were already drills going on that morning.

00:29:58.000 And then by the time the attacks had hit the United States, COG was immediately put into place.

00:30:02.000 Dick Cheney was rushed off to a PEOC.

00:30:05.000 George Bush was put into an undisclosed location flying around Air Force One all day.

00:30:10.000 And most people scoff at the idea of this shadow government.

00:30:17.000 and it was on the cover of the Washington Times.

00:30:19.000 So I see only more expansion on this COG-type program.

00:30:25.000 I don't think it's a coincidence that this week is when we saw the 9-11 Commission release over 1,200 transcripts of interviews at the end of the Bush administration, so they couldn't be ridiculed.

00:30:35.000 I'm sure that researchers... Well, if you looked at that schedule, almost half of them are still withheld.

00:30:40.000 Yes.

00:30:41.000 They're releasing them, but not really releasing them.

00:30:44.000 Yes, someone still has clearances on them.

00:30:46.000 They say, oh, well, national security clearance.

00:30:47.000 It's going to take legislation to get all of that stuff cleared, and I don't have much confidence that this Congress will do it.

00:30:54.000 But I would certainly, I think it's, you know, if we're revamping the whole of our constitutional arrangement in this country because of this largest murder, certainly in the history of the United States,

00:31:10.000 At least investigated, and we still don't know, and we can't even see... You know, after the Kennedy assassination, you had the Warren Commission, which essentially covered things up, but at least it had the decency to publish its evidence.

00:31:26.000 And we're going to need legislation to force the evidence, whatever it was, from the 9-11 Commission released.

00:31:37.000 Let me tell you the thing that worries me most about Obama.

00:31:40.000 We had an election where we had a choice.

00:31:44.000 The parties gave us a choice between a candidate, McCain, who wanted to fight two wars, and a candidate, Obama, who, by the way, I mean, I could say good things about Obama on this program.

00:31:57.000 I'm not totally hostile to him by any means, except when it came to Afghanistan.

00:32:03.000 And when he was talking about Iraq, this is what he had to say.

00:32:08.000 I'm quoting now from his website, "...the scale of our deployments in Iraq continues to set back our ability to finish the fight in Afghanistan." Well, it's very clear since then that Obama means to not just to fight in Afghanistan, but to escalate in Afghanistan, and I think you've already said that That's a war which is going nowhere, and our presence is making things worse, not better.

00:32:39.000 And any sane person looking at that war knows that you're even thinking of trying to finish it.

00:32:48.000 First of all, you're not going to succeed.

00:32:49.000 The Russians didn't. 0.97

00:32:50.000 The British didn't. 0.97

00:32:52.000 Nobody has ever succeeded in doing this.

00:32:55.000 But if you're going to try, you're going to have to put There are vastly more troops there than there are now.

00:33:02.000 We are destabilizing Pakistan, which is one of the shakiest constitutional governments in the region, and is one with nuclear weapons. 1.00

00:33:14.000 So what we are doing has increased the chances that Islamic fundamentalists may end up with a state of Pakistan and nuclear weapons to boot.

00:33:25.000 This is where I think Obama needs to be reined in, and I don't see that coming from Congress.

00:33:32.000 No, I don't see that either, and I see it as a redistribution of forces, getting people out of an unpopular war in Iraq, only to put them into Afghanistan and create the same kind of quagmire situation.

00:33:44.000 So we still have our presence in the Middle East.

00:33:46.000 I mean, to me, this is really about building a Eurasian Union.

00:33:49.000 It's what the PNAC guys talked about in Rebuilding America's Defenses, and having a presence there.

00:33:55.000 I feel like Iran is probably the most unstable block there, but they haven't been able to Really propagate a reason for us to go in there with the American people. 0.99

00:34:04.000 You know, again, Pakistan's being demonized at the moment.

00:34:07.000 You know, most people in this country are still behind a war in Afghanistan and Iraq because they still think the boogeyman Osama Bin Laden is out there.

00:34:13.000 They just reiterated that by putting out an audio tape of him taking the Palestinian plight.

00:34:18.000 So anybody who disagrees with Israeli force on the Gaza Strip is automatically, you know, associated with the deepest, darkest villain there is out there.

00:34:30.000 I don't see us leaving, Peter.

00:34:31.000 I see us being there.

00:34:32.000 Well, I think, eventually, I see us losing and leaving like Vietnam, but it took, you know, it took a decade, really, after America realized it couldn't win before the Vietnam War was over, and an awful lot of people died, and even Americans died under Nixon, who won on the campaign of ending the war. 0.97

00:34:58.000 So, we're used to presidents who campaign on ending the war, who make things worse, and yes, I fear it here.

00:35:09.000 I don't, by the way, I'm not accusing Obama of being a cynic who is out to deceive the American people.

00:35:17.000 I just see him as somebody hedged in by these forces.

00:35:22.000 Who want that war.

00:35:23.000 The underlying fact is that American oil companies have now invested a great deal in the oil and gas of Central Asia.

00:35:34.000 And they need ways of getting it out.

00:35:37.000 And they have one insecure pipeline going through Georgia.

00:35:41.000 And we saw the trouble there last fall.

00:35:44.000 And they would like very much to have a gas and an oil pipeline through Afghanistan.

00:35:51.000 It's not going to happen by putting U.S.

00:35:53.000 troops there, because that is just increasing the tension in the country.

00:36:00.000 And, you know, the P-Net goal has been bought by the U.S.

00:36:06.000 Army.

00:36:06.000 Their stated mission is full-spectrum dominance in the world, and part of that is this Continuity of Operations mission for the Army here is to have full spectrum dominance in the United States, because obviously if you want to dominate the world, you're going to have to dominate this country too.

00:36:26.000 And these are still things that are not fully implemented, and what the people listening to this program have to do is to alert their friends and their neighbors That, you know, the real role of the U.S.

00:36:40.000 Army is to protect the American people.

00:36:43.000 It is not to control the American people.

00:36:45.000 That's a revolutionary change and it should be challenged and it should be stopped.

00:36:50.000 I absolutely agree with you there.

00:36:52.000 My question is, do you think that conscription could actually happen under this administration?

00:36:56.000 Tom Blankley, editor over at the Washington Times, has been parading around the media now for the last few years talking about conscription.

00:37:03.000 I've got a clip of him on Pat Buchanan's MSNBC show, where he's talking about it in the summer of 07, saying, well, the time for that debate Isn't now, it'll be under a new administration.

00:37:14.000 Lo and behold, we get that new administration in a week before they're inaugurated.

00:37:17.000 The same guy, Blankly, puts out a book called American Grit, where again, he's calling for conscription of 18 to 25 year olds, three months in a boot camp, and two years mandatory service.

00:37:29.000 And this is echoed by Obama's new chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel.

00:37:33.000 He was just on C-SPAN over the summer talking about this same program.

00:37:37.000 Is it going to happen?

00:37:38.000 Is there a possibility of it happening here?

00:37:40.000 Well, again, I'm reluctant to predict, because the big block to it happening is that we will go back to the America of the 1960s and you will have a new anti-war movement.

00:37:53.000 And this was the big issue when America went into Iraq in 2003, and the generals were absolutely right. 1.00

00:38:04.000 It should have been done with 500,000 troops.

00:38:07.000 And Rumsfeld said, that's ridiculous, we can use our new sophisticated weapons and win it quickly with only 120,000.

00:38:18.000 And of course, he was wrong.

00:38:22.000 But the reason that they didn't want to go to 500,000 troops is that they would have needed to have a draft for that.

00:38:29.000 And that's why I'm not going to predict that we'll get a draft.

00:38:32.000 We're going to get people who say,

00:38:34.000 If you want to maintain all these missions, you're going to have to have a draft, and particularly because one thing is certain is that Iraq has had very negative impact on recruitment for the army, but the civilian people are very terrified of creating a situation where, once again, they are forcing young Americans to protect themselves by getting involved in the anti-war movement.

00:39:04.000 Peter, where can people get your information?

00:39:06.000 I know you write for 911truth.org a lot, and you're on blogging.

00:39:09.000 I have my own website.

00:39:13.000 I used to put things in it.

00:39:14.000 Now it's mostly just connection to... I've written quite a lot of articles on the internet recently, and my own website is basically just a kind of gateway to going into... it's hot-linked to all these other articles.

00:39:33.000 Uh, be careful listening to this.

00:39:35.000 It's simple, but it's important to get it right.

00:39:38.000 www.peterdalescott.net Or, if you want, you could do .org, but do not do peterdalescott.com because that's a hostile network, and so please remember peterdalescott.net.

00:39:54.000 Basically just attackers trying to use your good name?

00:39:57.000 It's a funny, I don't quite know what it is.

00:39:59.000 PeterDalescott.com was opened up in Kenya by a company that's now in Belize.

00:40:05.000 The only things it has on it that have anything to do with me are negative reviews of my books.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, how dare you try to expose light on the darkness over the past 30 to 40 years.

00:40:17.000 You've been at this forever, haven't you?

00:40:18.000 I mean, literally 30 or 40 years.

00:40:20.000 Well, the Vietnam War started, and then because of that I saw a connection between the Vietnam War and... It really happened after Kennedy was assassinated, so I got drawn into that, and again, you know, I don't think we'll ever really have a chance of rational government in this country until People on high admit that Kennedy wasn't just killed by a disgruntled ex-Marine called Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:40:50.000 Everybody knows it, but officially that even, you know, Nixon said that the Warren Report was the biggest scam, biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

00:41:00.000 That's on one of the tapes we've got out of the White House.

00:41:04.000 But officially, of course, it's still the official doctrine that Lee Harvey Oswald did it.

00:41:09.000 He acted alone. 0.84

00:41:10.000 And with 9-11, 19 crazy Arabs did it and they acted alone. 1.00

00:41:17.000 You look at one of these, what I call deep events, deep events, the ones which we know there's more to it than meets the eye.

00:41:26.000 I'm struck how much continuity of modus operandi there is between the Kennedy assassination and 9-11.

00:41:36.000 And I have references to those articles that are on the internet that you can get through my website.

00:41:44.000 Yeah, there definitely does seem to be a lot of interplayers, players involved in both the Kennedy assassination and 9-11 as well.

00:41:52.000 And, you know, in the mainstream media, at least last week, they were saying, oh, 9-11 conspiracy theorists might be right.

00:41:58.000 There's this new document where this mob boss takes entire credit through an FBI asset for the Kennedy assassination.

00:42:04.000 Well, a mob boss couldn't call the Secret Service off the car, and you can see that in the video.

00:42:10.000 So, obviously, He couldn't have planned the parade route, is the most obvious thing.

00:42:15.000 The Bob Boss of Carlos Marcello, he could not have planned the parade route through Dallas, which took this unexplained little detour to go underneath the Texas School Book Depository.

00:42:28.000 And again, he couldn't have called off those two Secret Service agents, and you can see that right in the video.

00:42:32.000 Folks, come on, this is a government blackout from start to finish.

00:42:36.000 Use some mob players to get rid of some people, to provide cover.

00:42:40.000 You know, don't buy it if the mainstream media is putting it out there.

00:42:44.000 Look into it for yourself.

00:42:45.000 Final segment with Peter Dale Scott.

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00:46:36.000 It is the Alex Jones Show, final segment with Peter Dale Scott.

00:46:38.000 Peterdalescott.net or .org.

00:46:43.000 In the last few minutes, Peter, I really want to get your take on some of the appointments, some of the administrative officials in this.

00:46:50.000 I mean, we've got Rahm Emanuel, Chief of Staff.

00:46:52.000 Gates is going to stay on for at least another year, they're telling us.

00:46:55.000 John Kerry, just appointed as the head of the Foreign Relations Committee.

00:46:59.000 What do you think about this new administration?

00:47:03.000 Well, you know, I see a mix of hopeful and depressing features about it.

00:47:10.000 I, you know, I'm 80 years old and I've seen a lot of new administrations and I expect them to lean in one direction to assure one constituency and another to reassure another.

00:47:24.000 I think the one that was most predictable and upsets me the most is Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff.

00:47:33.000 And that's because I've spent the last six or seven or eight years campaigning to have a genuine investigation of 9-11.

00:47:47.000 And in 2006, we had a number of people in the Democratic primaries who were saying the same thing, and many of them could have been elected, like Colonel Bowman, for example.

00:47:58.000 And Rahm Emanuel and Senator Schumer went full out to campaign against those people in the Democratic Primaries, even at the cost of losing the seat, because the candidate who defeated, the good candidate, was then defeated by a Republican.

00:48:19.000 On the economic side, you have both Geithner, assuming that he's going to get confirmed, which is not clear, and I'm certainly not happy that Lawrence Summers is the chairman of the Economic Advisors But what's more important here is not the people that he put in to reassure the bankers, because he has to do that.

00:48:40.000 It's the people he didn't put in to balance them.

00:48:43.000 And we could have had Stiglitz, we could have had Paul Krugman, we could have had Jamie Galbraith, or a number of good Democratic economists who were challenging the way the bailout went.

00:48:59.000 And I'm disappointed that they're not him.

00:49:02.000 I do think that the abuses of the Justice Department will be basically, I have no opinions really about Holder, but underneath him, the new counsel of the legal office inside Justice, a very good person.

00:49:21.000 I think the idea that they get someone from outside the CIA, Panetta, I think is a good idea.

00:49:30.000 Democrats, in particular, have trouble getting their nominees for head of CIA approved, and Carter had this trouble, and Kennedy had this trouble.

00:49:42.000 I think Panetta will get in.

00:49:44.000 He is an outsider, and he will get further, I think, than Stanfield Turner was able to, who was Carter's nominee, who was a very honest man.

00:49:56.000 And the CIA just ignored him, really, and ran circles around him.

00:50:00.000 I think Panetta's probably a good choice.

00:50:03.000 So, you see, I'm not giving a very clear picture.

00:50:06.000 And I think we shouldn't have a clear picture.

00:50:08.000 I think we've got to give Obama his hundred days and see if he can be like Roosevelt and really get the country started up again, or whether he's going to be like Jimmy Carter and just face confusion and chaos in Washington.

00:50:24.000 Well, thank you so much for joining us.

00:50:25.000 It's peterdalescott.org or peterdalescott.net.

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00:52:05.000 We are back, ladies and gentlemen.

00:52:18.000 The fourth and final hour of this worldwide broadcast.

00:52:24.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

00:52:25.000 I am Jason Bermas.

00:52:26.000 I've been sitting in all week.

00:52:28.000 Don't worry, you get Alex back on Sunday.

00:52:31.000 We're about to have Webster Griffin Tarpley on the program after 5 After.

00:52:35.000 Author of the recent books, Barack H. Obama, The Unauthorized Biography, and of course, Barack Obama, The Postmodern Coup, which you can get at Infowars.com right now.

00:52:47.000 I'm gonna fly through some phone calls in this first five minutes and then we'll take some phone calls for Webster Tarpley, hopefully on topic, at about 45 past the hour in the last 15 minutes.

00:52:58.000 Alright, let's see where we're at.

00:53:01.000 Let's go to John in Ohio.

00:53:03.000 John, what's on your mind?

00:53:05.000 Yes, Jason, before I get to my point, I'd ask that you have Tarpley talk about the Middle East.

00:53:12.000 I heard his last Saturday program And he didn't talk about it, but sometimes there's a delay.

00:53:18.000 They play the wrong week.

00:53:21.000 But at any rate, I think that I appreciate a lot of what Professor Scott has done over the years, especially his research into the CIA involvement, the Kennedy assassination, and the Vietnam War.

00:53:34.000 But I think he's typical of many people who are saying, please give him a chance after Obama has shown That he is nothing but a stooge for the worst Wall Street and war industry interest, and he's done this.

00:53:51.000 He's shown where he's at, even before these rotten appointments like Gates and Dennis Ross, this ultra-Zionist, and the even more ultra-Zionist rabbit warmonger Rahm Emanuel.

00:54:06.000 He's called for increasing the troops so long ago by 100,000.

00:54:10.000 He's called for He's voted for every hundreds of billions of dollars for this rotten war against Iraq. 0.85

00:54:19.000 He's voted for the FISA, spying, or the negation of the FISA, and giving total immunity to Bush, a reinstatement of the Patriot Act.

00:54:31.000 We know where he stands, and I think people are going to have to, I don't know if it's too late, at his inauguration, punch this bubble, this cult-like Kool-Aid Jim Jones bubble around him, And especially in this latest genocide and ethnic cleansing that he is supporting, not only by his silence, but trotting out his surrogate David Axelrod to justify the genocide that Israel is perpetrating against I guess the poor Palestinian people.

00:54:59.000 Well, I don't think there is much of an argument against the fact that he's put in a hawk-like administration.

00:55:06.000 Rahm Emanuel is extremely hawk-like.

00:55:11.000 You know, it's just people like Peter Del Scott, people like Ray McGovern.

00:55:15.000 They're left-leaning.

00:55:16.000 They're still able to get on stage with the likes of Michael Moore at some of these book signings.

00:55:22.000 I don't think he's left-leaning.

00:55:25.000 To make excuses for this guy, there are people on the genuine left like WSW.org or even Counterpunch.com, the Coburn site.

00:55:40.000 And these people are totally opposed from the point of view of the left.

00:55:45.000 And I think unless people don't keep on saying give him a chance when he's leading us into even bigger wars against Pakistan and justifying this outrageous support for Israel, which is the number one fire starter, war starter, and trigger for everything, what which is the number one fire starter, war starter, and trigger for everything, what the worst elements of the U.S. military-industrial complex is used to incite

00:56:10.000 Well, then you should like my next guest because Webster Griffin Tarpley is not going to be giving Obama a chance, hasn't given Obama a chance, has really gone after him since day one.

00:56:19.000 In fact, I kind of hope that Tarpley is off in his analysis.

00:56:22.000 He has given an extreme analysis, this being the next wave of fascism, and he may be correct. 1.00

00:56:29.000 I mean, when you have a guy on the and by the way, I thank you for the call.

00:56:32.000 When you have a guy like Obama on the cover of Spider-Man, okay, the cover of Spider-Man, And this isn't even the cover of Spider-Man.

00:56:40.000 Right here is the new global elite, Obama.

00:56:42.000 But on the cover of Spider-Man, and it sells out in less than a day, I gotta buy a comic book that has a price tag of 4 bucks for 80 on eBay?

00:56:49.000 Yeah, it's pretty dangerous, this cult-like Obama mentality.

00:56:52.000 We'll be back with Webster Griffin Tarpley.

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01:00:14.000 All right, folks, we are back.

01:00:17.000 It is the Alex Jones Show.

01:00:18.000 I'm Jason Burmess, sitting in all week.

01:00:20.000 Remember, Alex will be back on Sunday.

01:00:22.000 I'm a filmmaker.

01:00:26.000 I've put together quite a few 9-11 documentaries.

01:00:28.000 My latest being Fabled Enemies really goes into the international intelligence organization that carried out 9-11. 0.73

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01:00:50.000 See all of my films, all of Alex's films, and this broadcast's last two hours via the web.

01:00:56.000 Alright, we are now joined with perhaps Obama's harshest critic.

01:01:01.000 Webster Griffin Tarpley, author and lecturer, and he's got two books out right now about Obama.

01:01:06.000 Barack H. Obama, The Unauthorized Biography, and of course, Obama, The Postmodern Coup.

01:01:11.000 And as we're working on this Obama film here at the Info Warrior Studios, You know, I tend to like this guy less and less and less, and it does seem like there is a concerted effort to really promote him, not only through the media.

01:01:25.000 I mean, it's bad enough that MSNBC was running commercials with all their anchors.

01:01:29.000 Change with MSNBC!

01:01:32.000 On the cover of Spider-Man this week, sold out.

01:01:35.000 Copies are going for upwards of $150.

01:01:37.000 You can't get one less than $80.

01:01:40.000 Cover of the Rolling Stone, deified as a god.

01:01:43.000 And now Newsweek.

01:01:44.000 Even doing a cover article entitled Obama's Cheney Dilemma, where they make the case that the Obama administration should not get rid of any of the executive powers that were brought in under the Bush administration.

01:01:55.000 Thank you for joining us, Webster.

01:01:57.000 Thank you, Jason.

01:01:58.000 I am good.

01:01:58.000 How are you?

01:01:59.000 I'm good.

01:02:00.000 So I mean, it really does seem like, you know, aside from the youth corps and aside from the media promoting him, that Obama's cult-like status is just growing and growing and growing.

01:02:10.000 I mean, when I flew into Texas last week, you know, one of the guys with the big orange batons was wearing, you know, not a A change Obama hat, not an Obama 08 hat, but just one of these stylist fashion things that you can get in any mall now because he's all over hats, he's all over t-shirts.

01:02:26.000 I mean there's an Obama line of shoes.

01:02:29.000 It's pretty incredible.

01:02:31.000 Well I think it's not encouraging for the future of democracy to have a personality cult on the model of the various totalitarians in Europe in the 1920s and 30s.

01:02:44.000 Interestingly enough, the Washington Post ...has recognized that the classic Obama poster is directly out of Soviet Communism, Italian Fascism, and German National Socialism.

01:02:58.000 And it's very interesting.

01:02:59.000 The guy who does these things is Shepard Fairey.

01:03:01.000 You've probably seen him.

01:03:03.000 The cover of Time Magazine was Shepard Fairey.

01:03:06.000 The cover of Washington Life, another one of the same type.

01:03:10.000 You've probably seen the one with Obama Hope underneath.

01:03:14.000 Things like this.

01:03:14.000 And the Washington Post This is the first time they've admitted, because they've been supporting Obama, of course, because they're the house organ of the Federal Reserve System.

01:03:23.000 It says, this branding is brilliant, but it seems to disregard the iconic precedence of authoritarian propaganda originating in forms such as the Soviet poster art of the 1920s that Americans have traditionally resisted.

01:03:41.000 So you're being invited to join the personality cult Of a, uh, of a demagogue who is, uh, he wants to become an authoritarian dictator, um, functioning differently than Bush.

01:03:53.000 He's more demagogic.

01:03:55.000 He's using left cover compared to Bush's right-wing arguments.

01:03:59.000 Bush was talking in Latin Al-Qaeda, War on Terror, 9-11.

01:04:03.000 He was, Bush was ranting about 9-11 last night in his farewell, which was quite a spectacle.

01:04:08.000 But now with Obama, it's going to be different.

01:04:11.000 As he says, the Washington Post headline of today, I think, is extremely ominous.

01:04:17.000 It is that Obama is now pledged to loot and pillage and sack Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, with the goal, of course, of convoying that money, not to the poor, but to Wall Street.

01:04:30.000 He's doing it under the direction of former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Adolph Volcker, Trilateral Commission, Carter Administration, the guy who Destroyed the U.S.

01:04:41.000 industrial base with the worst usury in history, a 22% prime rate.

01:04:47.000 That's Volcker.

01:04:48.000 He's the elder statesman, the eminence grise of this entire thing.

01:04:53.000 And Obama says he wants entitlement reform.

01:04:58.000 That means that your economic rights, won by the American people and the American labor movement with all kinds of struggles, The Detroit sit-down strikes, the San Francisco general strike, the Minneapolis teamster strike, and the Toledo auto riot, and a million other sung and unsung labor struggles over the years.

01:05:16.000 Obama wants to take that all away, and he says, this is where there are going to be very difficult choices and issues of sacrifice and responsibility and duty, he says.

01:05:30.000 Sacrifice, responsibility, and duty.

01:05:33.000 Now, this is not new.

01:05:35.000 Michelle Obama, during the primaries, as I pointed out almost a year ago now, was talking a litany of sacrifice, meaning that they're gonna drive down the standard of living, they're gonna obviously increase the looting rate, increase the rate of primitive accumulation, including through taxation, of course, through their lunatic program of cap-and-trade, carbon tax, and all the rest of this stuff, motivated with global warming.

01:06:00.000 And I'm sure the people up in Fargo North Dakota, where it was 44 degrees below zero overnight.

01:06:05.000 They're going to laugh about that.

01:06:06.000 The whole upper Midwest is in the deep freeze.

01:06:09.000 I'm getting calls from all my friends.

01:06:11.000 I'm from upstate New York, and they're like, dude, it's negative 15 out right now.

01:06:15.000 And you just mentioned global warming and a carbon tax.

01:06:17.000 Well, this week he appointed Carl M. Browner as his global warming czar. 0.99

01:06:22.000 She's a lunatic. 1.00

01:06:24.000 She's a retread from the Clinton administration. 1.00

01:06:27.000 But this is a really big thing.

01:06:29.000 He's saying that That he is capable of bringing together a bipartisan, what that really means is pan-oligarchical.

01:06:36.000 He's going to get finance oligarchs of the left and finance oligarchs of the right, Republican and Democratic financiers, bankers and so forth.

01:06:45.000 And he's going to loot, he's going to reduce the benefits, he's going to increase the retirement age, he's going to increase the taxation on these things.

01:06:53.000 And it's so ironic because last night, under Obama's leadership, the second round of the ...was essentially approved another $350 billion, and about half of it is already gone because it went to Bank of America overnight.

01:07:08.000 Bank of America, a bankrupt institution, bankrupt because of derivatives, because of, you know, credit default swaps, collateralized debt obligations, structured investment vehicles, auction rate securities, asset-backed securities, mortgage-backed securities, all the rest of these crazy derivatives.

01:07:25.000 Bank of America is bankrupt, everybody knows it.

01:07:28.000 Now, they've been bailed out once under the first round of the TARP, to the tune of $25 billion, and now they're getting a second round of $168 billion, following Citibank, right?

01:07:37.000 Citibank had been bailed out once and then had to be bailed out twice in November, and everybody knows that Citibank is about to go under for the third time, and JPMorgan Chase is going down, down, down, down, along with Union Bank of Switzerland and all sorts of others that operate in the U.S.

01:07:55.000 So this is a disaster.

01:07:58.000 I think Obama has dropped the mask.

01:08:00.000 Today he's talking about renewable energy and his green jobs.

01:08:03.000 Well, the problem with what he calls renewable energy, meaning windmills and solar cells and ethanol and other boondoggles, essentially, that have to be subsidized, is that every time you build one, it's a net loss for the economy.

01:08:17.000 It's a net loss because the amount of energy you have to put in to create some of these things, or all of them, virtually, Is more than you'll ever get out of it in the entire life of the investment.

01:08:29.000 So the more you have green jobs and renewable energy, the poorer and more backward you're going to get.

01:08:35.000 Obama today is talking about how countries like Spain are ahead of the United States.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, they're ahead of the United States in the race to the bottom because they'll go bankrupt even faster because of their stress on green jobs, renewable energy, global warming.

01:08:50.000 And the polar bears.

01:08:51.000 So you're getting to the point now where human civilization, the fabric of human civilization is at stake.

01:08:58.000 And obviously you can say, well, um, you know, let the depression work.

01:09:03.000 I suppose there are some who say you can't interfere with the depression.

01:09:06.000 You have to let it work itself out.

01:09:08.000 You have to hope for creative destruction and hope for a recovery on the other side. 0.98

01:09:12.000 I say that is, that's ridiculous. 0.97

01:09:14.000 That's absurd. 1.00

01:09:15.000 And it's also going to get a lot of people killed.

01:09:17.000 We can and must and can easily fight the Depression successfully, because we know how to do it, right? 0.79

01:09:23.000 We have the examples of the 1930s, 1940s here in the United States.

01:09:27.000 You can take the examples that work and the ones that don't work from the New Deal, the Roosevelt period, the labor struggles that go together with that, and you can apply that to the present time.

01:09:37.000 What Obama's trying to do, though, is essentially imitating, it's not very widely known, Mussolini.

01:09:43.000 Mussolini in the 1930s, after he invaded Ethiopia.

01:09:47.000 ...was slapped with oil sanctions by the League of Nations, so the Italian economy went into autarky, meaning energy independence, including ethanol.

01:09:55.000 That's one of the ways that ethanol was developed, was in Italy in the late 1930s.

01:10:00.000 And this, of course, is a tremendous failure, and it makes a society that is so impoverished and hysterical that you get yourself into wars very easily, because the dictator has then got to pick quarrels with foreign countries to somehow unload all of this tension.

01:10:17.000 I'm very much afraid we're going into 100 days to the fascist corporate state, and it is imperative now to organize a sophisticated, enlightened opposition to Obama.

01:10:30.000 The problem you have, we can go through the Obama cabinet, right?

01:10:33.000 The appointments that he's made.

01:10:34.000 Some of these are just hair-raising.

01:10:36.000 I've already mentioned Volcker, but you look at people like Geithner and Summers and Gates and the new Dr. Rice.

01:10:44.000 And Vilsack at Agriculture, and Arnie Duncan, and this guy Donovan at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and so on down the line.

01:10:56.000 This is the greatest concentration of Wall Street banker influence and power that we've ever seen in the history of the country.

01:11:05.000 There's nobody at the table except Wall Street.

01:11:08.000 Labor counts for nothing.

01:11:10.000 Retirees count for nothing. 1.00

01:11:11.000 Women count for nothing. 1.00

01:11:12.000 Black community counts for nothing. 1.00

01:11:14.000 Hispanics count for nothing. 1.00

01:11:16.000 Asians get nothing. 1.00

01:11:18.000 Small business gets nothing. 0.95

01:11:19.000 Heavy industry gets nothing.

01:11:21.000 The defense contractors get basically nothing.

01:11:24.000 Big oil gets virtually nothing.

01:11:26.000 Auto, of course, gets nothing.

01:11:27.000 So what you've got is the reign of pure financier, paper-backed derivatives merchants.

01:11:34.000 In other words, the people who are now about to seize power in Washington.

01:11:39.000 Are the ones behind the 1.5 quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble and uh... God help us!

01:11:46.000 Well, they're calling for an 825 billion dollar stimulus bill.

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01:16:32.000 The goal of the effort is to raise pledges in excess of one million hours of service from all over the country for the new domestic Obama force.

01:16:41.000 Well, thank you, Starbucks.

01:16:42.000 The coffee I had was delicious and I'm glad that you're pushing fascism.

01:16:45.000 It's very nice of you.

01:16:47.000 So, you know, this is just another effort, not only by the media, but to really get the people behind them.

01:16:54.000 I mean, again, cover of Spider-Man.

01:16:56.000 The Spider-Man comic sold out.

01:16:58.000 I mean, people hoarded it.

01:16:59.000 I can't get a copy for under $80.

01:17:01.000 This is, you know, a $4 comic book, something that probably cost them 30 cents to make on a printing press.

01:17:07.000 And, you know, of course, he's given the new cool guy bump with Spider-Man.

01:17:10.000 He's the real hipster.

01:17:11.000 And when I saw that, you know, we played the Obama Youth Brigade clip earlier.

01:17:16.000 The Obama Youth Brigade clip, I mean, because of Obama, I can be the next engineer.

01:17:20.000 Because of Obama, I can be the next architect.

01:17:22.000 Well, how about pride in yourself?

01:17:24.000 Why do you need a figure like Obama to do these things?

01:17:28.000 And now the Democrats have proposed an $825 billion stimulus bill, one of many, I'm sure.

01:17:34.000 I mean, Bernanke this week came out and said they're going to need more bailouts.

01:17:38.000 Paulson, from the very beginning, said that banks were going to go under no matter what happened with these bailouts.

01:17:43.000 Webster, what do you see happening in the next couple months?

01:17:46.000 We're six days away from the inauguration.

01:17:47.000 Do you see another bailout bill being passed?

01:17:50.000 Do you see the stimulus bill going through?

01:17:52.000 What's on the agenda?

01:17:53.000 The second round of the TARP just went through last night, so the second $350 billion, and that got Obama off the hook because Bush is now giving all that money to Bank of America.

01:18:03.000 Generally, the TARP is a monstrosity, and you ought to set up the criterion, not one penny more To banks, insurance companies, credit card companies, mutual funds, money markets, or any other financial institution.

01:18:18.000 They were given the first round of the tarp, saying if they got that money they would start lending again to business and industry.

01:18:24.000 Well, we had General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler on the verge of bankruptcy.

01:18:29.000 JP Morgan, Bank of America, Citibank refused to lend to the automobile industry.

01:18:34.000 The government had to come in and save them, which I support.

01:18:37.000 You've absolutely got to save.

01:18:39.000 Productive employment, industrial assembly lines have got to be kept, otherwise you're in the third world and the Banana Republic League and you don't get out of it so easily. 0.92

01:18:48.000 So, the main idea is stop with the bailout of the derivatives bubble.

01:18:53.000 It's futile.

01:18:54.000 It's hopeless.

01:18:55.000 There's not enough money in the world to ever bail out 1.5 quadrillion of poisonous, bloated, cancerous, fictitious, bloated derivatives Which are now the essence of the banking system.

01:19:09.000 In other words, these banks, J.P.

01:19:11.000 Morgan, Citibank, and Bank of America, they're all bankrupt.

01:19:14.000 They should be seized.

01:19:15.000 They shouldn't be demanding money.

01:19:17.000 They should be in Chapter 11, and indeed in Chapter 7, because I think most of them are just hopeless economic black holes.

01:19:24.000 Now, on the recovery program, or stimulus program, I think there should be one.

01:19:28.000 Well, let's ask ourselves, should the government fight the Depression?

01:19:32.000 Yeah, of course it should.

01:19:33.000 You're damn right it should.

01:19:35.000 The question is, with Obama, you've got a combination of only bailouts for bankers, no money for productive activity, and then his stimulus is basically green jobs, which I talked about before.

01:19:47.000 Every green job is a net loss for the economy. 1.00

01:19:50.000 You get deeper and deeper in the Depression, the more green you want.

01:19:54.000 You've got to have modern technology, probably 100 nuclear reactors, two in each state.

01:20:00.000 Would be the best energy policy.

01:20:02.000 You'd want to build a transcontinental magnetic levitation railway.

01:20:06.000 You'd want to put high-speed rail commuter systems around the 25 largest metropolitan areas.

01:20:12.000 Either rebuild the ones you have, the ones in New York City are a hundred years old, or in many places like Houston, there's just nothing.

01:20:20.000 So you start from scratch.

01:20:22.000 So that would be another thing.

01:20:23.000 But with Obama, it's partly green jobs, again, of net loss, and then He's got this stuff about community development grants.

01:20:31.000 Now that looks very much like funding things like ACORN and this fascist infrastructure.

01:20:37.000 In other words, a series of parasitical organizations which are going to be used then to try to become a battering ram against other groups in the society that may disagree with the way that things are going.

01:20:49.000 But the idea is, ultimately, this is a de-industrialized country.

01:20:54.000 The de-industrialization was done under Paul Adolph Volcker.

01:20:57.000 You've got to roll that back.

01:20:58.000 You've got to reconvert and re-industrialize.

01:21:01.000 We're looking now, very soon, at a crisis of the dollar.

01:21:05.000 That's obviously the next step.

01:21:07.000 Three, six months down the line.

01:21:09.000 I can't tell when.

01:21:10.000 But quite soon, as this 8 to 9 trillion, 10 trillion of injected capital begins to work its way through, you're going to see the dollar begin to fall against the euro and the yen.

01:21:21.000 It's been falling against the yen the whole time.

01:21:23.000 Against the euro, it's been actually increasing.

01:21:26.000 And once you realize that the foreign value of the dollar is the value of the dollar, you're going to get into dollar hyperinflation.

01:21:34.000 So you've got to do something about that.

01:21:36.000 And that means you've got to earn foreign exchange to pay for the imports that you want.

01:21:41.000 In other words, you won't be able to give funny pieces of green paper.

01:21:44.000 You're going to have to earn the money or the gold to pay for it.

01:21:47.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

01:21:48.000 We'll be back with Webster Griffin Tarpley after this.

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01:25:24.000 It is the Alex Jones Show.

01:25:26.000 We're on the line with Webster Griffin Tarpley, the author of Barack H. Obama, the unauthorized biography.

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01:25:43.000 I want to shift gears just a little bit and talk about whether or not you believe that we'll have military conscription under this new administration.

01:25:50.000 I mean, you've got Rahm Emanuel talking about 18 to 25, everybody serves three months in basic training, and then you're in the military.

01:25:59.000 We now have Charlie Rengold reintroducing legislation to bring in the draft.

01:26:05.000 And then you have Thomas Blankley, who's been talking about this now for two years.

01:26:08.000 And, you know, talked about it on MSNBC, said it wasn't the right time under the Bush administration.

01:26:14.000 They'd have to wait for a new administration.

01:26:15.000 And now he released his book, American Grit This Week, goes on Fox and Friends.

01:26:19.000 And, of course, he doesn't like it.

01:26:21.000 But we're just going to need the draft for these emerging military threats in the Middle East.

01:26:26.000 And one of those would happen to be Pakistan. 0.53

01:26:28.000 And Webster, you were one of the first people to actually talk about this Pakistani threat. 0.71

01:26:32.000 So do you think that we will see conscription in this country?

01:26:35.000 Let me say first of all that people who went through 2008 talking about an attack on Iran, there was no attack on Iran.

01:26:42.000 There will be no attack on Iran and the Israelis have been told that they're not allowed to attack Iran, so they've been essentially banned from attacking Iran.

01:26:51.000 I think there's certainly a big push towards what amounts to compulsory militias, compulsory service, masquerading as volunteer service.

01:27:03.000 Here we have Colin Powell wants everybody to carry out volunteer service to celebrate Martin Luther King Day.

01:27:12.000 I really wonder Whether Volker, Geithner, Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase, Blankfein from Goldman Sachs, Mac over at Morgan Stanley, Larry Summers from the White House, I really wonder if Rahm Emanuel is going to be out there carrying out volunteer service.

01:27:31.000 And I somehow, I doubt it.

01:27:33.000 And the military side of it is perfectly possible.

01:27:37.000 And I think what you see now is a kind of gloating in the ruling class that they now have a whole series of options that had been foreclosed during the late Bush years because of the fact that Bush was so discredited and so hated and so isolated that they couldn't get away with those things.

01:27:54.000 And obviously the military draft is one side of it, and he would bring that in under the left cover.

01:28:00.000 He'd say, we have a humanitarian emergency in Darfur in Sudan.

01:28:05.000 The Burmese government is oppressive. 0.85

01:28:07.000 The Pakistanis are harassing women. 1.00

01:28:11.000 So it would be now a series of invasions conducted under left cover rather than under the worn out discredited cliches of 9-11.

01:28:20.000 So I think all that's possible.

01:28:22.000 The other obvious possibility is the false flag option.

01:28:26.000 And remember the famous or infamous speech by Joe Biden in Seattle on October 19th is going to be a foreign affairs crisis in the first six months.

01:28:35.000 It's going to be ginned up, generated, fake.

01:28:38.000 The righteousness of the U.S.

01:28:39.000 position will not be obvious.

01:28:41.000 Gotta support Barkey.

01:28:43.000 And then the other one, the 12-month perspective that the economic policies of the new administration, obviously now based on austerity, sacrifice, lowering the standard of living, wage gouging, taking away various economic rights under left cover, that that would make the whole Obama team so hated that their standing in the polls will have collapsed within 12 months, which based on the model of Jimmy Carter, I think is about right.

01:29:09.000 And actually, I think it'll go even Even faster this time around.

01:29:13.000 So they've got all of these things going.

01:29:15.000 And I, of course, urge people, don't suspend your critical judgment.

01:29:20.000 Don't have your autonomous judgment as a citizen taken away by this hysteria, this hype, the messianic, utopian rhetoric.

01:29:29.000 The inaugural address will be a tissue of lies.

01:29:33.000 And as a matter of fact, let me ask people, if you have a chance, tomorrow afternoon, starting at 2 o'clock Eastern, You can, on this same network, Genesis, you can go over to my program, the World Crisis Radio.

01:29:45.000 I recorded, just in the past couple of hours, a counter-inaugural, counter-State of the Union, where I go through an economic recovery program to fight the Depression, a program for world peace, a program of institutional reform.

01:29:59.000 Just listen to that and you'll get the whole lowdown on the way that I see things.

01:30:04.000 But the important thing now is to have an opposition.

01:30:07.000 If Obama comes forward with a With a bailout of $850 billion, it simply will not do to stand around in the corner saying, I want the free market, I want the free market.

01:30:16.000 It's like saying I want Santa Claus the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny to come and save me, because this stuff just doesn't exist.

01:30:21.000 It's nowhere to be found in the world.

01:30:23.000 We live in a world of monopoly cartels, trusts, oligopolies, duopolies, you name it.

01:30:30.000 There's no free market.

01:30:31.000 There never really has been in centuries.

01:30:34.000 If you talk about free market and say you think that the government ought to let the depression take its course, this basically puts you in a deep freeze.

01:30:43.000 It puts you off the political map.

01:30:46.000 What you've got to be able to do is have the sophistication to get in there and distinguish between the things that Obama will have in his programs that are good and that ought to be in there.

01:30:54.000 He'll say, more money for food stamps, yes, ten times as much as Obama wants.

01:30:59.000 He'll say, more money for unemployment benefits, 52 weeks.

01:31:02.000 A hundred and four weeks, yes.

01:31:04.000 Ten times as much as Obama wants.

01:31:06.000 And then they'll say, green jobs and green energy, no.

01:31:09.000 Then they'll say community development block grants for ACORN, no.

01:31:13.000 So that you get in there and actually grapple with these problems rather than retreating into some ivory tower of a world that has not existed and certainly does not exist now.

01:31:25.000 You've got to get in there and be able to fight, you know, point by point, as Obama He's got a woman called Killifer.

01:31:34.000 I suppose she's going to be Madame Killjoy or Madame Killer. 0.99

01:31:38.000 Killifer is the performance officer of the administration.

01:31:43.000 We can avoid all the obvious jokes about that, but the performance officer is that she's supposed to go through the federal budget line by line and find out the things that are not necessary.

01:31:52.000 So she's going to be the new cap the knife, right?

01:31:55.000 The new austerity czar and budget deficit hawk.

01:31:59.000 And the kind of thing that somebody like this is going to do to Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security and to all the other remnants that we have of our tattered social safety net.

01:32:09.000 This is going to be an absolute tragedy.

01:32:12.000 But again, you've got to be able to get in there and fight point by point.

01:32:15.000 You've got to get in there and grapple.

01:32:17.000 And I hope that people will join in that.

01:32:19.000 You can see some ideas for it at actindependent.org website.

01:32:24.000 Well, going back to you talking about left cover and how we're going to, you know, have this possible conscription, don't you think that he's still using just a little bit of the right cover with the war on terror?

01:32:35.000 I mean, first of all, Bush in his, maybe not in his farewell speech, but his last media appearance, he said that his number one thing was keeping America safe from another terrorist attack.

01:32:43.000 Right.

01:32:43.000 That'll be the number one thing for the Obama administration, and the Obama administration is already talking about really a redistribution Of course, from Iraq, of course we're de-escalating there, but he says he's going to put them into Afghanistan.

01:32:56.000 So I see them creating the same quagmire there.

01:32:58.000 The only place in the world, the only place in the world that they still talk about Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda is this area where Obama and Biden claim that Bin Laden lives.

01:33:09.000 Remember, that was the line in Obama's convention speech was, Bush says he'll go to the end of the earth to get Osama Bin Laden, but he won't go to the cave where he lives. 0.85

01:33:18.000 Meaning, let's invade Pakistan. 1.00

01:33:21.000 Now, other than that, you're not going to see...

01:33:24.000 I don't think...

01:33:25.000 Well, I doubt they're going to claim that Bin Laden is now living in Sudan or Burma or Venezuela or China or Russia, for that matter.

01:33:33.000 The geography and locus of confrontation has shifted.

01:33:38.000 They're going to go after Pakistan with the goal of dividing it up, right? 1.00

01:33:43.000 Remember, it's Balochistan, Pashtunistan, Waziristan, Sindh, Punjab, tribal areas.

01:33:49.000 The idea is to shatter it into mini-states, right?

01:33:52.000 Mini-states, micro-states, regionalism.

01:33:54.000 And the general model is, they're against big government.

01:33:57.000 They don't like big government.

01:33:59.000 The government in Islamabad is big government.

01:34:01.000 They don't like it.

01:34:02.000 They want to have mini-states, and above that, the empire.

01:34:05.000 That's the new And they have India now as a relatively willing spear point against that until somebody in India does something about it.

01:34:14.000 But if you look at the past six months, Brzezinski and company have already been dictating policy.

01:34:19.000 In other words, Bush and Cheney left power long ago.

01:34:23.000 They have not been calling the shots for at least a year.

01:34:26.000 And what has happened, of course, is Georgia attacks Russia.

01:34:29.000 Straight Brzezinski-Soros foreign policy.

01:34:32.000 Ukraine has just cut The gas deliveries from Russia to Europe, which I've been predicting for, what, four or five months, since August at least, that there would be a natural gas crisis created by these NATO IMF puppets in Kiev, the Yushchenko regime. 0.57

01:34:50.000 So they're trying to gin that up.

01:34:52.000 And then behind that, remember, is the Polish missile crisis.

01:34:55.000 And again, that supposedly got to do with Iran.

01:34:58.000 But I think you're going to see that the 9-11 stuff gets to be less and less relevant for all areas.

01:35:04.000 Other than Pakistan, which of course is important, and you're going to get more into this area of great power rivalry, and I think the great danger is of course that there will be some new false flag that will essentially change the subject. 0.52

01:35:16.000 In other words, it will be, you know, Bin Laden has joined the KGB, or Bin Laden has joined the Beijing secret police or something, and now he's operating for them, right?

01:35:27.000 Some, you know, form of this Legion of Super-Villains or something like this.

01:35:33.000 And then try to use that.

01:35:34.000 But the main idea is that you can't muck around in the Middle East. 1.00

01:35:38.000 Again, the fact that there has been no attack on Iran.

01:35:41.000 Notice, Biden went to the Israelis and said, guess what Israelis?

01:35:45.000 There's going to be a nuclear Iran and you're going to like it and you're going to do nothing. 0.99

01:35:50.000 Now, the caller that you had at the beginning of the hour wants to know about Gaza, of course.

01:35:55.000 It's an orgy of genocide by the Israelis and it has to be stopped. 0.88

01:36:00.000 The one person who could stop it is Obama.

01:36:03.000 Obama could simply make a statement, I call on the Israeli government to stop what they're doing.

01:36:08.000 At that point the Israeli government would probably collapse and the operation would cease.

01:36:12.000 Notice he doesn't do this.

01:36:14.000 The reason is that the attack on Gaza is a kind of a consolation prize for people like Zippy Livni and Ehud Barak who want to be The successors of Olmert.

01:36:24.000 They want to compete with Netanyahu as warmongers.

01:36:28.000 So they've been given this opportunity. 0.84

01:36:29.000 They're told, you know, go in and kill 1,000 to 2,000 people, and then you can run on that and you can compete with Netanyahu because you're not going to be allowed to attack Iran.

01:36:40.000 And, you know, it's a constant flow of news stories that the Israelis were pressing and asking, and the answer kept being no, no, no, and that came from Gates.

01:36:49.000 It came from Mullen, and it came from the U.S.

01:36:51.000 administration in general, because the U.S.

01:36:53.000 and the British just don't want this.

01:36:55.000 They want to look at Pakistan. 0.99

01:36:57.000 And again, Pakistan is an energy corridor.

01:37:00.000 Pakistan is the way that Iranian oil could go overland to China.

01:37:04.000 Pakistan is a way that tankers could unload at the port of Gwadar and send oil up to Pakistan, all the way into China, above the Himalayas, above Kashmir, and so forth.

01:37:17.000 It's an energy corridor.

01:37:18.000 Pakistan has got to be destroyed, not because of Pakistan, but because it's an ally of China, and we're now in the area of Russia, China, Shanghai Cooperation Organization. 0.99

01:37:29.000 That's the new enemies list. 0.96

01:37:30.000 So, generally speaking, kick the Chinese out of Africa, attack Sudan to cut off the oil from there, attack Zimbabwe somehow to prevent the Chinese from getting minerals from there, attack anybody in Africa who's dealing with the Chinese, attack Pakistan, attack Burma. 0.91

01:37:45.000 These are all Chinese allies.

01:37:47.000 And then ultimately try to play China against Russia.

01:37:50.000 So this is the perspective that they have.

01:37:54.000 And they will need to evolve the ideology, because you can't come forward sounding like Bush-Cheney neocons.

01:38:00.000 You've got to sound like something new.

01:38:02.000 Generally speaking, I think they'll talk much more about human rights and genocide, Darfur, Burma, places like this.

01:38:12.000 I think that's the wave of the future.

01:38:16.000 All right, let's take some callers in the last 15 minutes of the show.

01:38:19.000 Let's try to keep it on topic.

01:38:20.000 And for Webster Tarpley, let us go to Matt in Ohio.

01:38:24.000 Matt, what's on your mind?

01:38:25.000 Hi, Jason.

01:38:26.000 Thanks for taking my call.

01:38:28.000 And hi, Mr. Tarpley.

01:38:29.000 Hello.

01:38:31.000 My first question was, which one of your books gives some groundwork for your economic plans?

01:38:40.000 Thank you so much.

01:38:42.000 Thank you.

01:38:43.000 It's called Surviving the Cataclysm.

01:38:45.000 And the second edition will come out from Progressive Press of California within a month or two, or something like that.

01:38:54.000 We meant to do this a year ago, but then along came Obama, and I had to shift into overdrive to try to warn people about Obama, right?

01:39:01.000 Two books in about five or six months.

01:39:05.000 But there is a second edition now that's practically in the press of Surviving the Cataclysm.

01:39:09.000 You can send an email to info at progressivepress.com.

01:39:12.000 And get on the list and be informed of this.

01:39:15.000 I think you can probably even sell you an electronic version, which is going to be a little bit messy, but it may be the thing.

01:39:22.000 And that was the basic story there.

01:39:24.000 That was written about ten years ago.

01:39:26.000 And it talks about deindustrialization and the derivatives bubble as leading towards a world economic depression of unprecedented severity.

01:39:35.000 And that's where we are now.

01:39:36.000 So that was ten years before.

01:39:39.000 Okay, the reason why I ask is because I'm pretty much a free market adherent, and I've heard you talk about, you're on another radio program about a week or two ago, and you don't seem to really think the free market would work in this situation, so I just kind of wanted to get some of your

01:39:59.000 Fortunately, I haven't been drinking enough fluoride to not be willing to question my assumptions, so I wanted to get some groundwork, just to re-look at that analysis.

01:40:11.000 Well, definitely check it out, because Webster, again, you put it out there ten years ago, and right now, ten years later, is when a second edition is warranted, and I'm sure, would you add a couple chapters, basically?

01:40:20.000 Yeah, sure.

01:40:20.000 There's a new economic program.

01:40:23.000 analysis of helicopter ben bernanke there's a new uh analysis of of the the tarp how to how to nationalize the federal reserve if you don't have the political power to nationalize it all at once nationalize the fed by stages and we would seize parts of it and fight from there and then use those parts to overcome the other the other parts the thing about free market is that this is a myth This does not exist.

01:40:47.000 The 19th century generally knew that the subject you're talking about is political economy.

01:40:52.000 In other words, it's economics and the state, economics and the government.

01:40:56.000 And the only time that you don't have that is if you're in the old stone age, right?

01:41:01.000 If you're in the Paleolithic hunting and gathering caveman phase, when there's no state, then you could call that a market, I suppose, but that's basically Hunting and gathering since the emergence of the state in any form about, what, 10,000 BC, right?

01:41:16.000 When you go into the Neolithic, right?

01:41:18.000 The New Stone Age.

01:41:19.000 Then you've already got some kind of a state coming up.

01:41:23.000 And then you're talking about political economies.

01:41:25.000 So the idea that you talk about economics as if there's no government is crazy.

01:41:29.000 All of this grows out of Ricardo.

01:41:31.000 The founder of monetarist economics is David Ricardo, who was on the board of directors of the British East India Company, and he ran opium, and he ran the monster debt of the British after the Napoleonic Wars, and from there it goes on to Oxford, and then it goes on to Vienna, and the various people from Vienna you know.

01:41:51.000 And the thesis of that school is that production is impossible.

01:41:54.000 That there's no such thing as production that creates something qualitatively new, In the universe, but only rearranging things in space.

01:42:02.000 It's a crazy thesis.

01:42:04.000 You find that in Fonmises' book of 1912, his main theoretical treatise.

01:42:10.000 So, what you need is industrial economics.

01:42:13.000 And this is a school that never mentions the word production.

01:42:17.000 They don't talk about production.

01:42:19.000 They talk about money supply and all the rest of this.

01:42:23.000 Basically, it's up in a never-never land.

01:42:25.000 In other words, it's profoundly unrealistic.

01:42:28.000 Why we should turn from the American school of Hamilton and Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt, which is the most successful in the world, to the Austrian school, which is a failure.

01:42:39.000 I mean, is Austria a model of economic success?

01:42:43.000 I don't think so.

01:42:44.000 But America was, and could be again.

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01:46:26.000 Had a two and a half minute tirade for 9-11 Truth, and it was just awesome.

01:46:30.000 Well, there's a new FX program that premiered last night called The Beast, and they slandered 9-11 Truth in that.

01:46:38.000 They have a 9-11 truther come on, he starts talking a little bit of truth, but then they bring in the wacky no-planes, CGI planes, butter planes theory in there, and really, and this is the guy that, I guess the guy is like the crack smoker on the program.

01:46:51.000 He shot himself in the foot while trying to play Russian roulette. 0.85

01:46:54.000 So the major idiot of the program is pro-9-11 truth and talking ridiculous CGI theories. 0.98

01:47:00.000 We have Webster Griffin Tarpley with us, and he is the author of Barack H. Obama, the Unauthorized Biography, and of course, Obama, the Postmodern Coup. 0.99

01:47:07.000 You can get that over at Infowars.com.

01:47:10.000 We're going to fly through your calls right now for Webster Griffin Tarpley.

01:47:14.000 Let's go to Chad, who's out in very cold Albany, New York.

01:47:17.000 Chad, what's on your mind?

01:47:18.000 Hey, Jason.

01:47:20.000 How are you?

01:47:20.000 Good, man.

01:47:21.000 How you doing?

01:47:22.000 Good.

01:47:22.000 I've got two points, trying to make them quick.

01:47:25.000 Rahm Emanuel's plan to make it compulsory to do National Service, whatever that means.

01:47:31.000 That would have to be approved by Congress first.

01:47:33.000 They couldn't just backdoor that through an executive order, right?

01:47:36.000 Right.

01:47:37.000 Correct.

01:47:38.000 And the second thing is, they have the votes.

01:47:41.000 Right.

01:47:41.000 Yeah, they do.

01:47:41.000 Although, would it really... I wouldn't put it past Congress to pass that, because they have the huge majority now, and they worship the ground Obama walks on, so any idea he comes up with must be brilliant, right?

01:47:56.000 Yeah, and the House, the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, is a total hawk. 1.00

01:48:00.000 You know, she's been in with this, not only the Bush administration, but this administration for quite some time.

01:48:04.000 She headed up the initial congressional investigation.

01:48:07.000 She was the lead Democrat of 9-11.

01:48:10.000 You know, Pelosi is not a good person, is she, Webster? 0.98

01:48:13.000 No, she's a monster, and she ought to be out. 0.95

01:48:16.000 But remember, these people are Totalitarians, in the sense that they believe, whether they know it or not, what they believe in is the Mussolini fascist corporate state, and they believe in forms of national mobilization, such as the so-called voluntary labor service that we saw in Germany in the 1930s, which was not voluntary at all.

01:48:36.000 So the point is, the ability to get this stuff through is, I think, going to be largely concentrated in 100 days.

01:48:43.000 In other words, from January 20th to about May 1st.

01:48:47.000 You gotta try to fight a holding action.

01:48:48.000 If you can stop Obama in a hundred days, after that he will crater, as Biden predicted.

01:48:55.000 In other words, his economics will be so unpopular that he'll be hated within a very few months, and at that point it'll become much harder for him to get this stuff through.

01:49:03.000 So what you want to do, ultimately, is gridlock.

01:49:06.000 Gridlock and partisanship, and stop this stuff from going through.

01:49:10.000 And I urge everybody to mobilize now, as you've never mobilized before, between January 20th and May 1st.

01:49:16.000 If you can stop some of the most monstrous things from going through, it'll be harder and harder as time goes on for Obama to get it.

01:49:23.000 But you've got to be able to withstand this initial stormtrooper stuff that's going to be thrown at you with the hysteria that Jason was talking about.

01:49:31.000 You know, this array of products and, you know, hero worship, personality cultism, you know, groupies and all the rest.

01:49:39.000 Yeah, get the Obama collector plate in in the Obama collector coin.

01:49:42.000 I mean, they've all got them.

01:49:43.000 Thank you for the call, Chad.

01:49:44.000 Let's jump to Ken in Georgia.

01:49:46.000 Ken, last caller.

01:49:46.000 What's on your mind?

01:49:47.000 Hi.

01:49:48.000 Webster, your podcast is really awesome, and I encourage people to listen to it.

01:49:54.000 Thank you.

01:49:55.000 College credit for listening to it.

01:49:58.000 There's a I don't have any college credit to give, I'm sorry.

01:50:02.000 Quickly, Ken, what's your point?

01:50:03.000 Okay, there's an article today from Kurt Nemo about the Pentagon paper that said they were equating, well not equating, but saying Mexico and Pakistan could collapse and then, not presented, but there was a video out there that a Mexican broadcaster Talking about the collapse of Mexico, I gotta let you go just because we're in the last 30 seconds of the program.

01:50:28.000 I got it.

01:50:28.000 Go for it.

01:50:29.000 The existence of the United States of America is a historical achievement of the first water.

01:50:33.000 Don't let little George Bush sour you on it.

01:50:36.000 So, no subversion, no secessionism, territorial integrity, constitutional government, and economic recovery.

01:50:43.000 And fight for it through the organs of government that we have in our Constitution.

01:50:48.000 Thank you for listening to TCA.

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