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00:00:01.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk.

00:00:04.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:07.000 Well, the Associated Press and Politico...

00:00:17.000 Have both reported in the last month that Obama has an enemies list.

00:00:21.000 We know Bill Clinton had one.

00:00:23.000 Now the Globe, which is about as good as the Enquirer, though they don't do Batboy and Aliens landing in Central Park, they claim that they have a White House source with the enemies list.

00:00:32.000 I think this is a public threat to people.

00:00:36.000 And we're going to be going over that after Ray McGovern leaves us.

00:00:40.000 Ray McGovern is one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 81 to 85.

00:00:46.000 He was in charge of preparing the daily security briefings for Reagan and Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush and the National Security Advisor, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Cabinet.

00:00:56.000 Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's daily briefing during the first Bush administration.

00:01:03.000 He also famously challenged Then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at a press conference, where are the WMDs?

00:01:13.000 And of course, the Defense Secretary said, I never said they had WMDs.

00:01:18.000 And he quoted Rumsfeld back and really devastated Rumsfeld.

00:01:23.000 And that was really a turning point because Rumsfeld had been saying they had the WMDs and where they were in and around Tikrit.

00:01:30.000 Then he had to back off.

00:01:32.000 So I really respect Ray McGovern's analysis.

00:01:34.000 He was also an infantry commander during the Vietnam era as well in the Army, if memory serves correctly.

00:01:41.000 And he's been two years in remission from lymphatic cancer, so we're excited to have him here with us and doing better than ever.

00:01:49.000 Joining us is Ray McGovern.

00:01:51.000 Ray, good to have you here with us.

00:01:52.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:01:54.000 Ray, from memory, don't you have a new book out too?

00:01:58.000 Well, I don't write books because then I'd lose my wife.

00:02:01.000 I heard somebody saying they heard you on Dallas radio about a book or something.

00:02:05.000 Maybe you were talking about somebody else's book.

00:02:06.000 Oh, I was.

00:02:07.000 Yeah, I was talking about JFK and the Unspeakable, which is a book that people really should read.

00:02:14.000 It's by James Douglas, and it goes over the most recently released data on the situation there in Dallas and elsewhere when John Kennedy was assassinated.

00:02:31.000 You know, I had dinner with Martin Sheen about a month ago, and he said it was the best JFK book he had read and was raving about it.

00:02:38.000 I forgot to get a copy of it.

00:02:40.000 He was going to give me a copy of it, but I forgot to get it.

00:02:43.000 Why is everybody saying this book is so powerful?

00:02:45.000 I mean, you're a former top CIA analyst.

00:02:49.000 You're reading it yourself.

00:02:50.000 I want to get into Iran, but that's a subject I've never raised with you.

00:02:53.000 Is JFK, why are you so impressed with this book?

00:02:57.000 Well, Alex, I have to confess that someone sent me that book about a year and a half ago, and as soon as I heard that it had this theory that it was the CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and people who had been subordinated to the Secret Service that planned and executed the assassination of John Kennedy.

00:03:18.000 As soon as I heard that, I said, well, this is pretty far out.

00:03:20.000 I've got lots of articles to write.

00:03:22.000 So I put it on my back shelf, but recently I'm I've been reading it.

00:03:26.000 I've almost finished.

00:03:29.000 And I share the view of those who have read it before and told me that it's the most painstakingly researched piece of work and that it includes the very latest data that's been released from FOIAs or from other things.

00:03:44.000 He conducted incredible interviews with people on the spot.

00:03:49.000 And the evidence that he adduces, and you know, I'm an intelligence analyst, so I know a little bit about this kind of thing, is very, very persuasive.

00:03:59.000 And the reason that it has such current attention and applicability is because the very forces that Jim Douglas claims did JFK in are still very much around, are still very much

00:04:18.000 Intimidating a new president, whose name happens to be Barack Obama, and if you just run down the line of things, it was Cuba, mostly, because JFK would not save the abortive Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961.

00:04:36.000 The CIA and the Joint Chiefs got very mad about that.

00:04:42.000 When JFK wouldn't launch a nuclear war on the Soviet Union during the missile crisis in 1962, that got the Joint Chiefs really mad because they knew they had the advantage.

00:04:55.000 And they told, look, Mr. President, it would only mean about 20 million of us killed, but we'd kill all the Russians.

00:05:01.000 That kind of logic. 0.99

00:05:03.000 That was L.L.

00:05:04.000 Lemonsir and Curtis LeMay, wasn't it?

00:05:06.000 Yeah, it was that crowd.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:10.000 That crowd was described by George Ball, the Deputy Secretary of State, as a cesspool.

00:05:16.000 They're the ones that planned things like Northwoods and other things.

00:05:21.000 It's hard to put yourself back into those years, but there was such an incredible, visceral, knee-jerk anti-communism.

00:05:30.000 That again, the Joint Chiefs thought it would be just fine if we did in all the Soviet Union in return to just, you know, maybe 20 million casualties here.

00:05:39.000 John Kennedy faced into that, and not only that, but he started talking with Castro independently and secretly, he thought, because the CIA knew about it, and he had a private correspondence with Nikita Khrushchev.

00:05:56.000 He made a big speech at American University saying, we ought to get along with the Soviet Union.

00:06:00.000 And what do you know, but three months later, the Limited Test Pair Treaty is signed.

00:06:06.000 The JCS, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was cut out of those negotiations.

00:06:12.000 So you can understand how they felt about that.

00:06:15.000 And last but not least was Vietnam, where John Kennedy was convinced it was a fool's errand.

00:06:23.000 And he started issuing U.S.

00:06:24.000 the Joint Chiefs, nor his immediate advisors like McNamara and Rusk.

00:06:29.000 And so he had to sort of surreptitiously move toward removing all our troops.

00:06:34.000 And before he died, he ordered that the first thousand troops be brought home before the end of the year 63.

00:06:42.000 And he started issuing U.S. greenbacks and was beginning to phase out the Federal Reserve and giving anti-Federal Reserve speeches.

00:06:50.000 Yeah, he was running into lots of problems.

00:06:53.000 And you know, when Dwight Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex, well, already what he was seeing was a military-industrial-congressional-media complex, which we have in full swing right now.

00:07:09.000 And so he's really up against it.

00:07:10.000 And so I admire him even more than I used to in facing right into that.

00:07:15.000 And it's not at all difficult for me to believe anymore.

00:07:19.000 That the people who both felt personally threatened and also felt that this fellow was selling out to the communists, took it upon themselves to plan this thing, carry it off, and then appoint people to investigate it, in quotes, who would come out with the best, the right conclusion, the politically correct conclusion that this Lee Harvey Oswald did it all alone.

00:07:44.000 No one believes that anymore.

00:07:46.000 So, you know, the applicability of this thing with, here's Barack Obama, his big de-ribboned and de-meddled general officers are telling him, ah, we're going to suffer defeat in Afghanistan if you don't give us 40,000, 45,000 more troops.

00:08:05.000 That's exactly the same situation that Jay What about the secret Pentagon document that came out two weeks ago?

00:08:12.000 Is there any validity to that from your research, Ray McGovern?

00:08:15.000 Where they're saying they need 500,000 troops over the next five years?

00:08:20.000 Well, you know, Andrea Mitchell ran with that and I was really surprised because all the information that subsequently emerged does not indicate that that document talked about 500,000.

00:08:33.000 What I think people did, perhaps, was interpolate.

00:08:38.000 They look at the ratio that the current army manual says, the ratio of troops to citizens that is necessary for a successful insurgency, and you multiply the numbers by the 38 million Afghans And you get, you know, 500,000 or more troops that would be... Yeah, that was the original... Secretary White told Bush, you need 500,000 or 450,000 to be technical.

00:09:03.000 And Bush said, no, I can do it with 150.

00:09:05.000 And I guess there are 23 million in Iraq, so the ratio would be above 500,000, wouldn't it?

00:09:12.000 Exactly right.

00:09:13.000 And when you say 23 million in Iraq, I have to tell your listeners that there used to be 27 million in Iraq.

00:09:22.000 That's not to say 4 million were killed, but 4 million have been displaced.

00:09:27.000 A million, I believe, have been killed.

00:09:29.000 And you have many millions, 2 million living internally as refugees, and 2.5 million living at the adjoining state.

00:09:39.000 Ray McGovern, shifting gears, in the 40 minutes we have left with you, I want to get your, because this is what you briefed the presidents on, you are an expert on these regions, and talk to the other experts who are specifically specialists in these areas.

00:09:51.000 The geopolitical setup, they're now admitting that...

00:09:54.000 Russia did not sneak attack Georgia, it was the other way around. 0.74

00:09:58.000 Obama is doing the right thing, saying he's going to pull missile systems out, but then he's hedging his bets from what I've seen, saying maybe some new system down the road.

00:10:06.000 So what you see happening in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the U.S.-Russian relationship, and where all this is going, and then of course the $64 million question I want to cover first.

00:10:19.000 From what I've read, the Iranians said, okay, in a few months we're going to open this new facility.

00:10:23.000 They announced it.

00:10:24.000 Our media spun it and said, we found a secret location, and it looks to me like another big lie, or am I incorrect?

00:10:33.000 Well, unfortunately, you're correct, Alex.

00:10:37.000 What we have here is Iraq, part two. 0.85

00:10:42.000 You remember how the, what I call the fawning corporate media, How they spun Iraq, so we were all led to believe that there were weapons of mass destruction there and ties between Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda.

00:10:56.000 None of that was right.

00:10:57.000 And none of the hype that's going on now with respect to the, quote, Iranian nuclear threat, end quote, is right. 1.00

00:11:06.000 It's hyperbole to the nth degree, and people in Congress in particular are feeding, having a feeding frenzy.

00:11:14.000 On things that they have so warped that the American citizen can't really understand what's going on.

00:11:19.000 I'll try to put it in some context.

00:11:19.000 Okay.

00:11:22.000 Okay, do that after we go to break.

00:11:23.000 We're going to come back.

00:11:24.000 I'm going to give you the floor.

00:11:25.000 I want you to break this down because I remember two and a half weeks ago the Iranians have got all these different sites.

00:11:31.000 The UN admits it can't get uranium above 95% to make weapons.

00:11:37.000 The Iranians announce, here's a new site we've got.

00:11:39.000 And then the media hoaxes it.

00:11:42.000 Saying they've got it.

00:11:43.000 It was secret.

00:11:44.000 We found it. 0.99

00:11:45.000 Boy, we better attack them.

00:11:47.000 Netanyahu's making secret trips to Russia to get green light.

00:11:50.000 Russia starts saying we support sanctions.

00:11:52.000 What's your intel?

00:11:54.000 Does that mean Russia's gonna back an attack? 0.60

00:11:56.000 We'll talk about it all with Ray McGovern.

00:11:58.000 Straight ahead.

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00:16:18.000 Okay, Ray, you were getting into what's really happening with Iran and these sites, and what you agreed is a big hoax, saying that it was a secret site and they're going to nuke us in 45 minutes, changing the last letter in Iraq to Iran.

00:16:33.000 Well, you got it, Alex.

00:16:35.000 That's what's going on.

00:16:36.000 It's hype that's really unconscionable.

00:16:39.000 Let me go back a little ways here, because after the debacle on Iraq, when my former colleagues were visited several times by the Vice President, whose name is Cheney, and told to write a national intelligence estimate that said Saddam Hussein has all manner of weapons of mass destruction, that was October 1.

00:17:04.000 After that happened, my former colleagues rose to the occasion and said, no more of that stuff.

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00:17:26.000 Now, to make that clear, when people say, well, how come you torture people, they're basically two CIAs, alright?

00:17:34.000 The one that obeys the President's wishes and is able to do that under the National Security Act of 1947, the one that goes off and kidnaps people and tortures people, that's not the CIA I worked in.

00:17:48.000 I worked in the analysis part and the part of the covert agency that collected information, okay?

00:17:55.000 And what I'm talking about now is that CIA.

00:17:58.000 Now, what did we do?

00:17:59.000 Well, we, okay, what did my former colleagues do?

00:18:02.000 Well, what we did, to coin a phrase, is in 19, I'm sorry, 2006, we gave Bush and Cheney the finger, Tom finger, F-I-N-G-A-R,

00:18:20.000 Who was an honest estimator, incredibly bright, came from the State Department and ran an estimate on Iran and its nuclear program, which is a bottom-up estimate.

00:18:34.000 They spent months and months and months relooking at all the previous work.

00:18:39.000 Taking into account the most recent information, they came up with some startling conclusions.

00:18:45.000 Conclusions that were at direct variance with what President and Cheney have been telling the world, okay?

00:18:50.000 Number one, the N.I.E.

00:18:52.000 judged with, quote, high confidence, end quote, that Iran had halted, had stopped, A covert nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003, and had not resumed work on this nuclear weapons aspect of its program.

00:19:11.000 This is an essential part of a nuclear program.

00:19:14.000 They stopped work on it, and the latest briefing of Congress indicates that the CIA believes, and the intelligence community as well, that they did not restart this.

00:19:24.000 So this is a very curious way to be, as Defense Secretary Gates says, Hellbent on developing a nuclear weapon if you stopped, let's see what's the math here, six years ago, okay?

00:19:36.000 And sir, didn't they say at the time, in the highly publicized report, that if Iran restarted it, it would take nine years?

00:19:45.000 Well, they said 2015 or so, it was kind of a bracketed thing, and it all depended on how quickly they could enrich uranium to the weapons grade, and also what kind of delivery system they could get.

00:20:01.000 Now, no one No one, from a technical point of view, said that Iran could be a threat to the United States in any time frame soon.

00:20:13.000 They have no ICBMs, they have no method of delivering a weapon, even if they restarted their work on weapons.

00:20:22.000 To whom are they a threat?

00:20:24.000 Well, there's one other country in that region who actually has about 200 Some people say 300 nuclear weapons deliverable by aircraft, by submarines, by surface ships, by missile.

00:20:43.000 And the name of that country is Israel.

00:20:46.000 And no one should shy away from mentioning that because that is the fly in the ointment.

00:20:51.000 If there's a country in that region that has not signed a non-proliferation agreement, And has this kind of capability and the United States shows itself willing to invade a country like Iraq without that capability.

00:21:10.000 Well, if I were an Iranian, you know, I would think long and hard about being able to have the option to have that capability.

00:21:17.000 And so this estimate, this estimate said, we don't know whether the Iranians would develop a nuclear weapon, but the evidence is not there.

00:21:27.000 We will know in great time, in enough time, to know and take precautions and get them to negotiate.

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00:26:58.000 Okay, going back to Ray McGovern.

00:26:58.000 466-818-8344-6681.

00:27:02.000 DigiNet.net.

00:27:04.000 Okay, going back to Ray McGovern.

00:27:05.000 Ray, you left off with the CIA assessment 2006, and then now we fast forward to they've taken some troops out of Iraq, replaced them with contractors, put 20,000 to 30,000 more troops and contractors in Afghanistan there.

00:27:22.000 They're saying on the news, we caught a secret nuke factory.

00:27:26.000 We caught them.

00:27:27.000 We caught them.

00:27:28.000 It's incredible.

00:27:28.000 And then a few days later, oh, did we catch them?

00:27:31.000 Well, they made the announcement after they knew we knew.

00:27:35.000 So, so, so break down what's really happening today.

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:39.000 Well, we caught them several, several months ago, Alex, and they announced the existence of this new enrichment plant on their own initiative.

00:27:52.000 And they did that just a week before the negotiations start.

00:27:58.000 Your listeners perhaps need to be reminded that tomorrow is a very big day because the five Security Council members plus Germany and Iran are getting together Talk about the Iranian nuclear program.

00:28:11.000 Now, that's why the hype is the pitch that it is.

00:28:15.000 They're trying to, the media here, are trying to hype this thing up and say, well, look, now we've discovered a new enrichment facility.

00:28:24.000 Well, we know about that enrichment facility for months.

00:28:27.000 And now the Iranians are claiming that they're well within their rights under the treaties governing this kind of activity. 1.00

00:28:34.000 to announce the establishment of this thing because it's several months more before it gets ready to enrich anything.

00:28:42.000 So the hype is there and the bottom line, people just need to realize that Iran is nowhere near. 0.99

00:28:52.000 Iran is years and years away from a nuclear weapon.

00:28:57.000 Okay, I'll repeat that one more time.

00:28:58.000 Years away from a nuclear weapon.

00:29:00.000 Don't believe the hype.

00:29:01.000 Don't believe what the Israelis are saying. 0.99

00:29:03.000 These are technical questions, okay?

00:29:06.000 Now, when I did the President's Daily Brief, I didn't write all the briefs, obviously.

00:29:10.000 I know who the good analysts were, the honest, technical people, and it was a privilege to put their stuff in readable form and give it to the President.

00:29:22.000 Well, now I still know those folks, and I'm not getting this from a government head.

00:29:26.000 I'm getting it from people like Greg Kielman, who ran the State Department, the INR, the research there.

00:29:34.000 The intelligence outfit of the State Department was right.

00:29:37.000 His people were right before the Iraq estimate there in 2002.

00:29:43.000 And he now writes for the Arms Control Association.

00:29:46.000 And it's the best stuff out there.

00:29:48.000 Just Google Arms Control Association, you'll see what Greg Tielman is putting together.

00:29:54.000 Alright, boil it down for us then.

00:29:55.000 What does Iran really have? 0.95

00:29:58.000 What are they really doing?

00:29:59.000 And A, why can Israel have weapons?

00:30:01.000 Why can Pakistan have weapons? 1.00

00:30:02.000 Why is that okay?

00:30:04.000 But Iran's nowhere near it, and we're hearing, we gotta put sanctions on them! 1.00

00:30:08.000 We gotta attack them! 1.00

00:30:11.000 They could kill us any minute! 0.99

00:30:13.000 Well, Alex, it will be no news to you that there is something in this country that I call the Likud Lobby. 0.56

00:30:21.000 Well, the Kud being the hard right faction of the Israeli government, Israeli parties, and they have an ordinate influence in this country.

00:30:30.000 And if you were to ask why it is that Congress is preparing, actually preparing as we speak, To pass a law that would actually be an act of war to interdict the supply of gasoline and such products to Iran.

00:30:46.000 Why are they doing that?

00:30:47.000 Well, it's because a lot of their money and a lot of their votes come from what I call the Likud lobby.

00:30:56.000 But why does Israel want to attack Iran?

00:30:59.000 Well, you know, if you look at the Israelis and their frame of mind, And I think it's a terribly myopic frame of mind. 1.00

00:31:08.000 I care about what happens to Israel, and I think it's exactly the wrong policy. 0.96

00:31:12.000 They think that if they can zap the Iranian nuclear facility, as they did to the facility in Osirak in Iraq in 1983, then they could set the Iranians back, oh, five, ten years, perhaps, if they're allowed to do that. 0.63

00:31:30.000 Now, that's very myopic, because the Iranians, unlike the Iraqis in those days, the Iranians can retaliate. 1.00

00:31:37.000 They can close the straits.

00:31:39.000 They can decimate our troops in Iraq.

00:31:43.000 And they can hit Israeli cities even now. 0.96

00:31:46.000 Not with a nuclear weapon, but with lots of missiles, okay?

00:31:49.000 So, it would be bedlam if this happened.

00:31:52.000 And yet, the Israelis are trying to get ROK to let them do it. 0.92

00:31:56.000 This is lunacy.

00:31:58.000 But they have this kind of frame of mind.

00:32:01.000 Netanyahu, their Prime Minister in particular, that this must not be let happen and that they're going to delay it as long as they can.

00:32:09.000 If it takes an armed strike, they'll do it.

00:32:12.000 Now, the only thing that is preventing them from doing it at this point, in my estimation, is this.

00:32:19.000 Admiral Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is responsible for our troops and our security, has gone over to Israel, this time last year, and said, look, don't even think about it, okay?

00:32:31.000 You fly your planes over our airspace in Iraq, we're going to shoot them down, okay? 1.00

00:32:37.000 So don't even think about this, and don't think you can perpetrate the kind of incident like the Liberty incident back in June of 68, because we remember that.

00:32:48.000 I'm a naval officer, and that's just not going to happen again.

00:32:51.000 Now, that was pretty gutsy.

00:32:53.000 And that put the kibosh on what the Israelis were planning the following August.

00:32:57.000 Not last August, but August of 2008.

00:33:00.000 Let me go back.

00:33:02.000 We had the Admiral you just talked about.

00:33:05.000 And then it leaked.

00:33:10.000 It also leaked that And a New Yorker covered it, MSNBC covered it, Cy Hirsch talked about it.

00:33:18.000 We'd all heard about how these radio calls were coming in.

00:33:22.000 Iranian patrol boats attack, blow up the destroyers near the Strait of Hormuz.

00:33:26.000 They're in the Gulf.

00:33:28.000 And then it came out later that Cheney was discussing plans to paint up U.S.

00:33:32.000 ships like Iranian patrol boats and have them attack our ships. 0.76

00:33:37.000 Now, this came out a Year after you on this show and other shows said, what I'm hearing from intelligence sources is, they may attack our ships and blame it on Iran.

00:33:51.000 Were you being given specifics?

00:33:53.000 Because it's one thing to get this from Sy Hersh a year after it happened, now two years ago.

00:33:59.000 It's another thing for you, and I remember the interviews a year before, to say that's what you were concerned about.

00:34:06.000 Well, Alex, I wish I could brag about an inside source on this particular thing.

00:34:10.000 I was using what we in Army Intelligence used to call a swag factor.

00:34:10.000 I cannot.

00:34:15.000 You know what that is?

00:34:16.000 No. 0.83

00:34:17.000 That's a scientific wild ass guess. 0.95

00:34:21.000 So it's thin slicing or it's dead reckoning? 0.66

00:34:25.000 Yeah, it's, you know, trying to put yourself in the position of the Israelis. 0.59

00:34:30.000 And what success they had with the incident there where they killed the 34 of our seamen there and wounded 171 in June 8, 1967.

00:34:43.000 And, you know, talk about Moxie or Chutzpah, they were quite capable of doing that again, particularly if they had an ally in the Vice President of the United States, which clearly they did.

00:34:55.000 And when Cy Hirsch came out with that a year later, you can imagine my reaction.

00:35:00.000 I said, wow, that was a good guess, McGovern.

00:35:03.000 But it was just, at that point, a guess.

00:35:05.000 Okay, we had Bayer on, the former CIA fellow for folks that don't know.

00:35:10.000 Bayer? 0.79

00:35:11.000 Yeah, and he said two years ago, and I don't trust him as much as I trust you, for obvious reasons, but he said, I'm worried about the Saudis staging a false flag to blame it on Iran.

00:35:27.000 And then now, we see more and more similar things coming out along those lines.

00:35:32.000 What's your take on that?

00:35:34.000 Well, Bob knows the area a lot better than I do, and I have great confidence in his judgment.

00:35:39.000 You know, the Saudis or Sunni, the Iranians or Shia, it may seem like lunacy to us, but it matters a great deal in that area. 0.94

00:35:50.000 And for the Iranians to become the preponderant power in that area, well, the Saudis don't like that at all. 0.80

00:35:56.000 Whether they would resort to this kind of provocation or not, You know, I don't know, but Bob would be in a much better position to speculate on that.

00:36:06.000 Well, I mean, what is it like for you, knowing the region, studying it, when they get up on the news and say Iran is backing Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, when it's the opposite group?

00:36:17.000 See, Shunni are archenemies, you know, they fight more than they do with Christians or Jews, really, if you look at the statistics that I've looked at. 1.00

00:36:24.000 I mean, that's like saying the Dallas Cowboys are the New York Giants.

00:36:30.000 I mean, it's clearly two different groups.

00:36:32.000 And then the famous case two and a half years ago with the president of Afghanistan and Bush says, yes, Iran is funding Taliban and Al Qaeda.

00:36:42.000 in Afghanistan and Muhammad Karzai says excuse me your excellency respectfully but Iran's helping us their enemy is al Qaeda they're back on the news as you know saying that Iran is al Qaeda when the last White House admitted they were using al Qaeda based groups to stage terror attacks inside Iran yeah well in answer to your question Alex I take this blood pressure medicine now so this kind of stuff

00:37:10.000 But all kidding aside, you know, when Bush was allowed to mischaracterize, maybe a nice way of saying things, all these very important developments, and the mainstream press, people like Charlie Gibson, would just kind of say, I refer specifically to Bush's famous exit interview where Charlie Gibson finally said, well, Mr. President, why did you really think you had to attack Iraq?

00:37:38.000 And he said, oh, it's simple.

00:37:39.000 Saddam Hussein wouldn't let the UN inspectors in.

00:37:43.000 And Charlie Gibson said, oh, okay.

00:37:45.000 And he goes on to the next question, you know?

00:37:47.000 But he was letting the inspectors in.

00:37:50.000 They were combing through his palaces, they were interviewing his scientists one-on-one.

00:37:54.000 It was George Bush that threw the U.N.

00:37:57.000 inspectors out two days before shock and awe.

00:38:00.000 And Charlie Gibson let's get away with that.

00:38:03.000 Let's get back to Iran. 0.98

00:38:05.000 I told you about the estimate here.

00:38:07.000 It actually appeared in November of 2007.

00:38:09.000 They started working on it in 2006.

00:38:12.000 And so November 07, this big shock, namely, that the N.I.E.

00:38:16.000 judges, and I used to chair these things, so I know what kind of work goes into this, high confidence that Tehran has halted a covert nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003.

00:38:27.000 What does the President say the following March?

00:38:30.000 He says, quote, Iran has declared that it wants to be a nuclear power with a weapon to destroy people, including others in the Middle East, end quote.

00:38:42.000 You know, that's made up.

00:38:43.000 You know, you make that kind of stuff up, but you shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

00:38:47.000 Iran never declared any such thing.

00:38:50.000 As a matter of fact, the intelligence people were telling the president that Iran had ceased work on the nuclear weapon.

00:38:56.000 And now they're hyping that again.

00:38:57.000 I was watching CNN this morning and they cut to some female, blonde-haired comedian, I missed her name, as if it was news. 1.00

00:39:05.000 They go, let's cut to see what she says about Iran.

00:39:08.000 She's like, Ahmed Dinejad, how dare you say you want to nuke us and blow everything up? 1.00

00:39:13.000 How dare you? 0.99

00:39:14.000 We see through you, little man, little devil. 0.97

00:39:16.000 And then she laughs. 0.77

00:39:17.000 And I'm like, this is news now?

00:39:20.000 When they always distort what he says, And I'm certainly not defending him or the Mulas or any of them over there. 0.97

00:39:26.000 The point is, is that it's all being manufactured again.

00:39:30.000 They're beating the war drums.

00:39:33.000 Here's the big issue.

00:39:34.000 Do you think they're going to hit them, or will it be sanctions first, or will they false flag, or where is this going?

00:39:41.000 Well, it depends on how staunchly the only reputable institution in our government stands up to this.

00:39:50.000 I have a lot of admiration for Admiral Mullen.

00:39:54.000 I think that he's inclined and knee-jerk to obey orders, but he and his predecessor, Admiral Fallon, you remember Fallon quit when he was CENTCOM commander because he had said, we're not going to do Iran on my watch, and it took several months.

00:40:13.000 Because he knows what'll happen.

00:40:14.000 We should talk about what'll happen, the three different scenarios if Iran gets hit.

00:40:18.000 That's exactly right.

00:40:19.000 And one of them, you know, one of them says, well, Iran has the capability of closing the Straits of Hormuz.

00:40:27.000 Now, okay, that's where, like, two-thirds of the oil that comes out of the oil-rich Middle East has to come through, okay?

00:40:33.000 Now, what's Mullen say to that question?

00:40:36.000 He says, yes, The Iranians have the capability of closing the straits, but, but we can reopen them. 1.00

00:40:44.000 Well, yeah.

00:40:45.000 How are they going to reopen them?

00:40:46.000 Send a Marine Division into the cliffs overlooking the Straits of Hormuz?

00:40:51.000 Give me a break, where are you going to get them?

00:40:53.000 When they've got 12,000 sunburned missiles aiming down.

00:40:55.000 Yeah, and where is he going to get the Marine Division?

00:40:58.000 They're all, they're all already exhausted in Afghanistan and some of them left in Iraq, so.

00:41:06.000 You know, this all has a degree of unreality, and when I see Senator Kit Bond of Missouri and John Kyle talking about, we need regime change, we need regime change in Iran because there's such a threat to Israel, well, you know, that just reminds me of the old saw about, you know, when they offered to make Israel the 51st state of the United States, Israel refused.

00:41:30.000 You know why, Alex?

00:41:31.000 Well, now why?

00:41:33.000 Because then they'd only have two senators. 0.57

00:41:38.000 Oh man, you know, this is just insane.

00:41:43.000 So what's the intel you're getting?

00:41:44.000 Are they planning to hit Iran or are they just going to have sanctions?

00:41:48.000 Where is this going?

00:41:50.000 I think Netanyahu is chafing at the bit.

00:41:54.000 And I think Obama is under great pressure from the Likud lobby and from those still in the White House who have great difficulty distinguishing between what they perceive to be the strategic interests of Israel on the one hand and those of the United States on the other.

00:42:13.000 I hope, and that's what it is, a hope.

00:42:16.000 It's just a little bit more than, a little less than an expectation that Obama will stand up to this.

00:42:21.000 This would be a ruinous war.

00:42:23.000 This would be worse than the way he contemplates doing in Afghanistan. 0.87

00:42:28.000 This would be bedlam.

00:42:29.000 And I think that as long as he listens to people like Paul, that he'll be restrained.

00:42:35.000 Final segment with Ryan McGovern straight ahead.

00:42:38.000 I want to get his take on the Russia situation, where he thinks Afghanistan's going.

00:42:44.000 I just wish we could stop having all these wars.

00:42:46.000 I mean, our government has overthrown Iran repeatedly.

00:42:48.000 They're constantly meddling inside their nation.

00:42:52.000 We've really done this country wrong, folks.

00:42:54.000 And now they're saying they're gonna nuke us.

00:42:56.000 I mean, it's just pure bull.

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00:45:59.000 Ray McGovern is our guest.

00:46:24.000 Final segment.

00:46:25.000 Ray, what about the rest of the world, geopolitically?

00:46:28.000 What's going on?

00:46:30.000 Well, what's going on is the rest of the world is looking at us and kind of shaking its head.

00:46:36.000 The Russians and the Chinese and the Indians are the big players, of course.

00:46:41.000 As they watch what we're trying to do in Afghanistan, You know, they're sort of shrugging their shoulders and saying, well, be our guest.

00:46:49.000 You know, we all tried that in Afghanistan.

00:46:52.000 We all failed going back to, you know, going back to the great, not to mention Chinggis Khan and the Persians and the Indians and the British and the Russians. 0.95

00:47:03.000 Go ahead, you know, waste your military.

00:47:07.000 And with respect to Iran, you know, the Russians used to care a great deal about what happened on their soft southern underbelly.

00:47:17.000 But they seem almost cavalier with respect to Iranian plans.

00:47:22.000 And I think part of that has to do with the fact that they don't have Israel as their, quote, ally, end quote.

00:47:30.000 Now, what are these quotes?

00:47:32.000 Well, because 99% of the American people believe that Israel is an ally of the United States.

00:47:38.000 That's wrong.

00:47:40.000 An alliance requires a treaty.

00:47:42.000 There is no mutual defense treaty between the United States and Israel.

00:47:46.000 And the reason there is none is because treaties require internationally recognized boundaries.

00:47:53.000 And Israel is in possession for over 60 years now, no, 60 years from 1967 on till now, whatever the math is, of the occupied territories, West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. 0.57

00:48:08.000 And Israel, the last thing it wants is to have any international body draw the borders back to where they used to be.

00:48:16.000 So there is no alliance, and yet we proceed.

00:48:20.000 The media characterizes our relationship with Israel as an alliance.

00:48:24.000 Our policymakers treat it that way.

00:48:27.000 But Russia? 0.99

00:48:28.000 Russia sits back and laughs and says, well, if they do something really idiotic, if they close the Straits of Hormuz, guess who benefits? 0.99

00:48:37.000 Who benefits? 0.99

00:48:38.000 Russia.

00:48:39.000 Russia's got all the oil, you know?

00:48:41.000 Man, at the price of oil, you know, we'll be able to have a villa, we'll have a dacha for each little worker in Russia.

00:48:49.000 Is that why Russia met with Netanyahu secretly a month ago and has now said they support sanctions against Iran?

00:48:55.000 Well, you know, Russia plays a very clever game. 0.93

00:48:58.000 You know, they express concern about this and then they go ahead.

00:49:02.000 Now, with Netanyahu, They are restraining influence, although they don't care as much as we do.

00:49:10.000 So when Netanyahu goes up there, what you expect him to get is not approval for a strike on Iran, but some sort of reassurance that, for example, the Russians won't sell sophisticated missiles to defend the Iranian sites there, the enrichment sites.

00:49:31.000 You know, last year Ehud Olmert went to Moscow and he was summoned there.

00:49:39.000 And the Russians warned him in similarly definitive terms, like Admiral Mullen, don't even think of attacking Iran.

00:49:48.000 So the Russians have no real incentive for that kind of attack, but if it happens, you know, they're going to be the big beneficiary by doubling the price of their oil.

00:49:58.000 Got to cut you off.

00:49:59.000 We're almost out of time in the last minute.

00:50:01.000 Do you think it's sanctions or an attack?

00:50:03.000 I mean, if you had to make a dead reckoning again, do you think they're going to hit Iran the next year or two? 0.98

00:50:08.000 Uh, gosh, uh, I don't know, Alex.

00:50:11.000 It will depend on how this thing plays out.

00:50:13.000 There will be sanctions first, uh, but, uh, there's great pressure for an attack, and I would not rule out the likelihood that Israel would be given a nod by somebody in the White House and go ahead and do it and force our hand. 0.94

00:50:29.000 And then Iran will go absolutely wild. 0.98

00:50:31.000 Oh, yeah, it'll be bedlam, and we'll suffer great attrition for our own troops in the area.

00:50:36.000 Ray McGovern, thank you for your time.

00:50:38.000 You're most welcome.

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00:52:28.000 We are back live, ladies and gentlemen, already in the fourth and final hour of this worldwide broadcast.

00:52:35.000 Wednesday, the 30th day of September 2009.

00:52:37.000 Wanted to give you Ray McGovern's perspective on the Iran situation.

00:52:45.000 We just got that from him.

00:52:48.000 Gonna be getting into how we are on the enemies list.

00:52:50.000 Some new developments from Hardin, Montana as well.

00:52:56.000 With a fellow that's been doing some in-depth research there that is coming up in the next segment.

00:53:06.000 We've got several Hardin clips.

00:53:07.000 Which one do we have first?

00:53:08.000 I want to play a few of these.

00:53:11.000 We're going to play a few of these news reports of what's happening in Hardin, and then we'll be right back.

00:53:15.000 Stay with us after this quick break.

00:53:17.000 Some of the history of it, the would-be FEMA camp with weird paramilitary forces patrolling around at it, and then we will continue.

00:53:27.000 Here we go.

00:53:32.000 This could be Gitmo West.

00:53:34.000 Right now, it's a prison with no prisoners in tiny Hardin, Montana.

00:53:38.000 City officials want to fill it with detainees from Guantanamo Bay.

00:53:42.000 Terrorists, like self-proclaimed 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

00:53:46.000 It would bring jobs.

00:53:48.000 Believe it or not, it would even bring hope and opportunity.

00:53:52.000 This is the poorest county in Montana, and the $27 million prison has turned into a white elephant.

00:53:58.000 But not everyone wants detainees here.

00:54:01.000 I would move out of Hardin.

00:54:02.000 My son is in the military.

00:54:04.000 He came back from Afghanistan.

00:54:06.000 He says that people have no respect for any human life, even their own.

00:54:11.000 They are some of the most dangerous people in the world.

00:54:14.000 And some in the community worry that if they were here in this medium security prison, they would attract other radicals to the area, or even worse, escape.

00:54:23.000 The person that wants to make it an issue, we'd be happy to lock them up and see how long it takes them to come out.

00:54:28.000 And then, if they can, I'll buy them coffee at the coffee shop.

00:54:32.000 Not a problem.

00:54:32.000 There are plenty of cameras, and wiring for more, and row upon row of razor wire.

00:54:38.000 They're even ready for trouble here.

00:54:40.000 They've got gas masks and riot helmets, shields, batons.

00:54:44.000 They even have guns.

00:54:46.000 There's also open land around the prison that would make a getaway difficult.

00:54:51.000 Because there are no prisoners, Glenn and Ray Perkins got laid off after moving to Hardin to take guard jobs.

00:54:57.000 They've worked at maximum security prisons in Texas.

00:55:00.000 Everything in this one is state-of-the-art.

00:55:04.000 It's the most secure place I've ever worked in.

00:55:07.000 Even more secure than those maximum security facilities?

00:55:10.000 Absolutely, yeah.

00:55:11.000 But they oppose moving detainees here, even though it might mean getting their jobs back.

00:55:16.000 Bottom line, I just want the facility to open, but no, I don't really want Kimbo in my backyard. 1.00

00:55:22.000 Montana's senators agree.

00:55:24.000 I don't think they know what they're asking for when they're asking to take these prisoners on.

00:55:29.000 But President Obama wants to close Guantanamo in January, and if that happens, the detainees will have to go somewhere.

00:55:37.000 Coming into a community that really wants them is going to be a lot easier than going into one that doesn't.

00:55:44.000 And this may be the only city in the country that's ready, willing, and able to take them.

00:55:51.000 Jean Meserve, CNN, Hardin, Montana.

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01:00:23.000 Alright, Michael Hollingsworth has done a really good journalistic job.

01:00:28.000 We have a story posted up at InfoWars.com.

01:00:31.000 Hardin, Montana under siege is the headline.

01:00:35.000 What we know is this American police force is a foreign mercenary company.

01:00:41.000 I've got local newscast with...

01:00:44.000 Legislators at the State House saying, yeah, they won't say who they are, where the money came from.

01:00:50.000 They've done weird court battles to overturn Montana law to get the $27 million facility.

01:00:55.000 They announced they're going to bring in foreign troops to train there.

01:00:58.000 I mean, we've got scores.

01:01:00.000 I know it's more than 15 different newscasts we've posted.

01:01:04.000 CNN, Billings News, local news, saying everything that's basically in Michael Hollingsworth's article.

01:01:11.000 I did read in the Billings Gazette and other newspapers in California, not just Montana, that this Billings Gazette writer has gone to work for them all of a sudden.

01:01:23.000 Lots of bizarre stuff going on there.

01:01:26.000 You've got this weird foreigner who runs it all going around. 1.00

01:01:30.000 They've got foreign commanders who are on the news, and they say it's all secret, we're not telling you, but then we have earlier news till the people said no from April, where they said it was going to be Guantanamo West.

01:01:42.000 We have CNN and local news.

01:01:45.000 But as soon as the public said, first they made the public pay for this with a bomb proposal.

01:01:50.000 And then it sat there empty for the last year and a half.

01:01:52.000 It's a giant facility.

01:01:54.000 This American police force put their decals on SUVs, saying they were the local hardened police force.

01:02:00.000 This is all confirmed.

01:02:03.000 But Michael Hollingsworth has been interviewing the locals, talking to them.

01:02:07.000 He knows who all of them are.

01:02:09.000 We're going to be reporting with him in the next few days here on air.

01:02:12.000 I will let you know that by Friday, at least, we're going to have reporters on the ground there.

01:02:18.000 Imagine who may be there.

01:02:19.000 I'm just going to leave that open for imagination.

01:02:26.000 Oh, I'm sure I've already hinted enough.

01:02:28.000 I'm going to be there tomorrow, folks.

01:02:29.000 I always tell the enemy when I'm coming.

01:02:31.000 So the point is, is that I like to give my heads up going there to do this, because then they'll overreact and show who they really are, too.

01:02:40.000 So the point is, I want them to know I'm coming.

01:02:44.000 Anyways, I'm not going to let people know exactly what, but tune in tomorrow.

01:02:48.000 Let's go to Michael Hollingsworth.

01:02:51.000 Michael, tell us briefly about yourself and then in a snapshot what's really going on there.

01:02:56.000 Thank you very much, Alex.

01:02:57.000 I wanted to open by saying it's both an honor and a privilege to be with you today.

01:03:00.000 Well, it's nice to talk to you.

01:03:02.000 I represent a patriotically-based website called Freedom Video USA that represents a vast number of American patriots who are all military veterans, law enforcement veterans, concerned citizens, people that have not been blinded by the current presidential administration's smoke and mirrors.

01:03:18.000 We were able to see right through it, and we absolutely have a 100% policy for dispelling all of the bovine fertilizer that's being spread from corner to corner in this country.

01:03:26.000 I got some emails from some very good friends of mine who are just as dedicated to truth as I am, and said, hey man, this is up in your neck of the woods, what's going on up there?

01:03:35.000 And I looked into it, and I was like, APF?

01:03:37.000 I'm like, what does that even mean?

01:03:38.000 I said, police forces are hired by the local jurisdictions that they work for.

01:03:44.000 There's no such thing as a national police force.

01:03:46.000 But a little bit of background on me.

01:03:48.000 I'm eight years in the service in two branches of the U.S.

01:03:50.000 I've worked in the private sector a little bit, worked for a small-time government contractor, done a lot of civil service work.

01:03:50.000 military.

01:03:56.000 All of the men in my family are veterans, have been American patriots, and that's what we classify as our number one line of employment as an American patriot, preserver of the representative republic in which we live.

01:04:05.000 Good, so you're up there, you live nearby, you went and checked it out.

01:04:08.000 Give us your take on it.

01:04:10.000 Well, the bottom line started off with an hour-and-a-half long conversation with a lady by the name of Becky Shea, who is a almost 20-year reporter with the Billings Gazette.

01:04:19.000 And she was the one who broke the story initially, so I contacted her.

01:04:23.000 She is now currently the public affairs liaison for American Police Force, and I spoke with her.

01:04:30.000 I had a very interesting conversation where it felt like she was trying to sell me something and I said, you know, well, how did this happen?

01:04:35.000 How did you go from being the reporter that broke this story to being, you know, the mouthpiece of the beast here kind of thing?

01:04:41.000 And I said, all of the people, all the things that I'm reading, all the feedback I'm getting from the people of heart and say that they're not interested in having hell, they weren't even notified.

01:04:47.000 These people just came out of nowhere.

01:04:49.000 And she says, well, you know, I went from driving a 99 Dodge Intrepid with a broken tie rod and bad front brakes to a black Mercedes SUV with a fuel card that I don't have to pay for and a substantial increase in salary.

01:05:00.000 So I said, so essentially you sold your soul.

01:05:03.000 And that didn't go over real well.

01:05:05.000 Well, I mean, she's quoted in other newspapers making similar statements.

01:05:10.000 It seems like she's so starstruck by the money, she's even wanting to talk to us.

01:05:15.000 And then meanwhile, you've got guys with foreign accents going, we will tell you nothing. 0.99

01:05:19.000 We are bringing in foreign forces.

01:05:21.000 I mean, this is, I mean, in these newscasts, it's like they're trying to freak everybody out.

01:05:27.000 And it's just classic intelligence operation.

01:05:30.000 They admit they're looking at it for the Guantanamo Bay.

01:05:33.000 They have another former Supermax, and I need to print that off before we leave, because I saw it in the news and I haven't Googled it yet, but there's another Supermax in Montana.

01:05:42.000 This is a Supermax.

01:05:44.000 Where they quote have animal rights activists and US terrorists and I saw civil rights suits filed because they don't let them see their families even once a month for visitation.

01:05:53.000 So clearly Montana is the place.

01:05:55.000 Clearly this is being looked at as where they want to move these assets in and then It's just red flags are shooting up, then they show up in black SUVs saying they're the hardened police, then they have the head of this Twin River Authority that's kind of taking over, that's leased it to them, saying, oh yes, well it is our wish list for them to be the police.

01:06:19.000 I mean, am I entering the twilight zone?

01:06:21.000 No sir, you're 100% correct.

01:06:23.000 I spoke with Al Peterson, the Executive Director of Twin Rivers Authority yesterday, very briefly.

01:06:28.000 I got him on the phone and I asked him to confirm or deny these rumors.

01:06:31.000 And I said, you know, this is a facility that was denied operational status because it was not built in specification to Montana Code.

01:06:38.000 In order to house prisoners legally in the state of Montana, you have to have X amount of square feet per prisoner in order for it to be considered humane incarceration.

01:06:46.000 this facility did not meet those standards.

01:06:49.000 My question to him was, how is it that the director of the city of Hardin could build such a facility with such a high price tag on it and not know from the blueprint stage that it wasn't gonna be up to specs?

01:07:01.000 You know, so this is all, like you're saying, red flags that started popping up to us going, okay, was this facility built specifically with the intention Is this how far back this plan goes?

01:07:09.000 Is that they already were building these facilities because they knew there was no way their estate was ever going to allow to house them.

01:07:14.000 So yesterday I spoke with the Governor Brian Schweitzer's office who assures me that absolutely nothing illegal or unconstitutional is being allowed to happen.

01:07:21.000 I rebutted with, then why are these people showing up and committing the felony of impersonating a peace officer by having hardened police department written on their vehicles?

01:07:28.000 Well, sir, that's a private agency dealing with a private town, and that's not under the governor's authority, and it's really not something that we're at liberty to discuss, and we're not at liberty to discuss hypothetical situations.

01:07:39.000 I said, sir, hypothetical situations.

01:07:41.000 We have video of it.

01:07:42.000 We have pictures.

01:07:43.000 Well, that was the thing.

01:07:44.000 The California paper said The San Jose Mercury News said Alex Jones says they've got police on the side of their cars.

01:07:57.000 No, that's what the local news is saying.

01:08:01.000 That's a fact.

01:08:01.000 We've got pictures.

01:08:02.000 We've got video.

01:08:03.000 There's interviews with citizens of the city of Hardin that are looking at these vehicles going, who the heck are these people?

01:08:08.000 We did not hire these people.

01:08:09.000 We have no idea who they are.

01:08:11.000 Let me ask you this since you live nearby, because I've been trying to study this the last three days, last two days.

01:08:18.000 Am I correct in saying that they had a bond issuance to build a prison to give people jobs, then they did a bait-and-switch and said it's a FEMA camp and an international Merck training center?

01:08:30.000 The bond issue, basically what happened, the bond issue has been in court tied up for several years now because they can't seem to get the paperwork straightened out for it, so they changed their business plan.

01:08:30.000 Correct.

01:08:38.000 And this is something that I approached Becky Shea with.

01:08:41.000 And I said, exactly who are you planning on training and what are you planning on training them to do?

01:08:46.000 And she says, well, you know, that's really not something I have the liberty to discuss, but it's going to be something to the nature of police slash detention officer type training.

01:08:53.000 And I said, man, what's wrong with the Montana Law Enforcement Academy's Peace Officer Standards and Training in our state accredited academy?

01:09:01.000 You can't function in the state of Montana.

01:09:02.000 I don't know how it runs in other places, but in the state of Montana, you cannot be a sworn peace officer unless you have graduated the post academy.

01:09:09.000 You have to take the Montana state approved post academy And the counties and cities are chartered under the state.

01:09:15.000 That's their only authorities to the legislature.

01:09:18.000 That is precisely correct.

01:09:18.000 Correct.

01:09:20.000 So basically, I said, you know, I called the sheriff's office and the gentleman that answered the phone was very abrupt with me and said that I'm not going to speak to you.

01:09:26.000 If you want to know anything, call the city of Hardin.

01:09:28.000 So I called the city of Hardin.

01:09:29.000 They played the, you know, Jimmy Code, Go Tell Bobby, Go Tell Mary game with me and pushed me off to 30 different people.

01:09:35.000 And anytime that happens, that's basically, in the seven tenets of special operations, you have one of them called UW or unconventional warfare.

01:09:42.000 And essentially what happens with unconventional warfare is the disinformation campaign, the psychological operations, where you will go in and set, you know, light the fuse, if you will, creating the need So you set the groundswork of problem, reaction, solution?

01:09:54.000 from your perspective so that when you come in and offer your services that you had planned all along, that these people are going to, you know, to a screaming thunderous applause, they're going to welcome you.

01:10:02.000 So you set the groundswork of problem, reaction, solution.

01:10:06.000 Precisely.

01:10:08.000 Now, the other thing that's very critical that everybody in the United States and the world needs to know is that Hardin, Montana was not the only city that they planned on doing this in, and that was something that came straight out of Miss Shea.

01:10:17.000 Oh, that's key.

01:10:18.000 I asked her, I said, now, so basically what you guys did is you targeted Hardin, Montana, because you realized that its financial infrastructure was collapsing and the city was about to implode and they had no money and they've been taking handouts from the state for X number of years.

01:10:30.000 And she goes, well, I don't know that targeted was a good word.

01:10:32.000 But she says, I think it was more that we did a complex financial evaluations of all of the locations.

01:10:39.000 And it's the poorest county, they're sold this jail will save you, then they bait and switch it and turn it into a command center for American police force to spill out as society implodes.

01:10:51.000 The Mercs are here! 0.99

01:10:53.000 Precisely.

01:10:53.000 Now you'll notice very carefully if you go to their website you will see an emblazoned logo on their berets and the side of their vehicle that has a two-headed eagle.

01:11:00.000 That is the Serbian royal family crest.

01:11:05.000 So basically, this Michael Hilton guy refers to himself as Captain Michael Hilton.

01:11:08.000 He stands about 5'1", maybe 150 pounds soaking wet.

01:11:14.000 This gentleman has got a very not-so-personal attitude about it.

01:11:18.000 Shea in our conversation, I said, you know, don't you think it's rather deceptive to play all these, I'm not going to tell you where our funding comes from, I'm not going to tell you who our parent company is.

01:11:18.000 And I asked Ms.

01:11:25.000 I said, you know, all this cloak and dagger and smoke and mirrors.

01:11:28.000 I said, how do you expect the people of Hardin to trust you?

01:11:30.000 And she says, well, they really don't have to.

01:11:32.000 Because it's basically already cut and dried with their city council. 0.91

01:11:35.000 Incredibly arrogant.

01:11:36.000 Yeah, they went and bought the council. 0.92

01:11:38.000 Stay there.

01:11:38.000 Final segment.

01:11:39.000 We've got another interview coming up, but I'm very impressed with your analysis.

01:11:43.000 Come back with us on the other side, and I definitely want to hook up with you in Montana.

01:11:47.000 And we're going to be getting into Montana tomorrow.

01:11:50.000 Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us.

01:11:52.000 We'll be right back.

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01:16:03.000 There's so many red flags in this.

01:16:05.000 We're going to be covering it over the next two days, along with all the latest flu developments here on air.

01:16:09.000 Burmess will be sitting in live.

01:16:10.000 I'll be doing live reports from Montana.

01:16:14.000 But, then you have the lady running for mayor, whose husband was the head of the facility, who's now been removed. 1.00

01:16:23.000 I mean, this just gets crazier and crazier, sir.

01:16:28.000 Yeah, sure does.

01:16:29.000 This Smith gentleman was the Executive Director of Twin Rivers, Two Rivers Authority.

01:16:35.000 They say that he was put on administrative leave without so much as an explanation, and I've tried on all of the three numbers I've been able to obtain, I get nothing but voicemail.

01:16:45.000 Kerry Smith, who is his wife, who is the current mayoral candidate, Yeah, that's her on the TV news.

01:16:51.000 The statement she made was, "Don't worry, everybody, citizens are pardoned.

01:16:55.000 The truth about APF will be exposed soon enough, and then just go with the flow." That was a direct quote from her that can be done on those.

01:17:01.000 Yeah, that's her on the TV news. 1.00

01:17:03.000 Yeah.

01:17:04.000 And the Statehouse is saying, "We're not getting answers." Yeah.

01:17:08.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:17:09.000 This last two days that I've spent literally several, most of this last two days on the phone with the Montana government, I'm getting all these canned answers from Governor Schweitzer, from Senator Baucus, and it's all the same thing.

01:17:19.000 Well, sir, we're very honored that you took the time to contact us today.

01:17:22.000 We'll be glad to send you a rubber-stamped form letter and blah, blah, blah.

01:17:25.000 No, we're actually not really at liberty to talk about that.

01:17:27.000 The biggest, scariest and most disgusting thing about this, Mr. Jones, is that they say the same thing.

01:17:33.000 This is a private deal between the city of Havre and American Police Force and Two Rivers Authority.

01:17:38.000 You're going to have to talk to them.

01:17:39.000 So I asked this guy.

01:17:40.000 I mean, literally, it was a verbal duke out with this guy.

01:17:42.000 I said, so what you're telling me is that the governor of my state, the supreme authority of my state, has absolutely no interest in the fact that there are foreign mercenaries who have set up a forward operating base, essentially.

01:17:52.000 It's a hardened structure that is surrounded by... There's an abdication of authority.

01:17:57.000 They're just saying, do whatever you want.

01:17:59.000 And then you said this commander, he calls himself some type of commander.

01:18:03.000 He's like... Captain Michael Heston or something like that.

01:18:07.000 And you're saying he gets really mad when you try to talk to him?

01:18:11.000 Well, you know, I haven't had the ability to personally talk to him, but what I have seen in the interviews is that he's very short, he's very brief and very matter-of-factly with the media representatives that have spoken with him.

01:18:20.000 I've reached out... Who is the old guy with the foreign accent, always smoking cigarettes with everyone? 1.00

01:18:25.000 The town officials are always groveling.

01:18:27.000 Their body language is...

01:18:29.000 Okay, that's him.

01:18:30.000 And then the tall, heavy set gentleman with gray hair is Al Peterson, who is the Executive Director of Two Rivers Authority.

01:18:39.000 He physically cursed me out over the phone, told me I was way out in left field, was full of...

01:18:45.000 Well, here's the bottom line.

01:18:48.000 Where is this going?

01:18:49.000 Because they may think that they own the town.

01:18:50.000 I mean, this is like something out of an old western.

01:18:53.000 I mean, how is this going to end?

01:18:53.000 of a message and I said, sir, you're neither away from your phone nor are you dealing with another client.

01:18:57.000 You are deliberately ignoring a call from a concerned American patriot while you're harboring mercenaries on American soil.

01:19:02.000 Well, here's the bottom line.

01:19:04.000 Where is this going?

01:19:05.000 Because they may think that they own the town.

01:19:07.000 I mean, this is like something out of an old Western.

01:19:10.000 I mean, how is this going to end?

01:19:11.000 Just black SUVs riding around ruling us?

01:19:14.000 I mean, well, you know, that's our summarization at this point is that, you know, we've been observing these conditions as they magnify magnatomically on a daily basis.

01:19:22.000 You know, everything that Obama has told us has been a bald-faced lie.

01:19:25.000 He said, and now this is imperative, he very clearly said in one of his addresses to the nation, quote, we need a private military force, a private police force that is just as well equipped and trained as our modern military.

01:19:38.000 Just as big, just as strong.

01:19:40.000 Just as big, just as strong.

01:19:42.000 Well, by God, here they are.

01:19:43.000 They're called APF.

01:19:45.000 Here they are, Merck.

01:19:46.000 And she told you, their spokeswoman, the former Billings Gazette reporter, now admittedly works, she said, oh this is nationwide.

01:19:53.000 She, in no uncertain terms, she was very evasive about it, but she slipped on a couple of occasions and said that they had, this is how they had done the evaluations for centers from coast to coast.

01:20:02.000 That they had several other states that were looking at doing the same thing.

01:20:05.000 And then they won't say where their money comes from, but predominantly they're corporate.

01:20:10.000 Oh, and on the news they say hundreds.

01:20:13.000 One newscast said 500.

01:20:15.000 One said more.

01:20:16.000 Personnel are about to arrive, but no one can be told anything about them.

01:20:20.000 The current statistics that we've been able to obtain is that there are approximately 50 to 60 current active agents for American police force within the boundaries of the United States, and they have approximately 1,600 operators worldwide.

01:20:31.000 They claim to be able to land a battalion-sized special forces qualified element of troops within 72 hours anywhere globally.

01:20:39.000 And that's a battalion.

01:20:43.000 That's an awful lot of Special Forces Qualified Troops.

01:20:45.000 But, you know, the other thing that we're kind of leery about this whole thing is that, you know, when I directly approached her and I said, so what about these potential ties that we've discovered through our research on the internet that say that you were tied to corporations like Dynacor, like, you know, Three Canopies, or Dynacor Blackwater Security, now known as XE.

01:21:04.000 And she says, well, I'm not really at liberty to discuss any of this.

01:21:09.000 So this group may just be a cutout for a consortium of mercs.

01:21:13.000 You know, basically what it is, is this is the smoke screen.

01:21:16.000 When you go to penetrate your enemy's defensive lines, what you're going to do is probe their defenses first to find out where their strong points are.

01:21:22.000 And you do that by creating extremely sensitive and extremely visible pockets of, you know, little things that you can see.

01:21:30.000 From that point, you exploit the weaknesses Well yeah, we're getting calls about black SUVs, Humvees, troop movements all over that area.

01:21:38.000 We're going to get more updates from you in the days to come when I'm on the ground in Montana.

01:21:43.000 Mr. Hollingsworth, your reports at InfoWars.com.

01:21:45.000 Thanks for your great info.

01:21:47.000 Oh yeah, Alex.

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Alex Jones Show - September 30, 2009

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