Alex Jones Show - 20091106_Fri_Alex

00:00:00.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

00:00:05.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:00:07.000 We got about nine days to produce your video using 20 minutes with the President written by Charlie Sheen and to get it turned into us by midnight Sunday the 15th of November.

00:00:29.000 We've gotten, I haven't counted them up, I've watched them all, 50, 60, I know it's more than 50 entries.

00:00:35.000 Some are really good.

00:00:36.000 A lot of them, almost no work was put into it.

00:00:41.000 You know, we did the contest with posting the Obama Joker posters, and it made the news worldwide.

00:00:50.000 Hundreds of TV stations, hundreds.

00:00:51.000 I mean, it was scores of TV stations in Texas alone, with the media freaking out every time a poster was put up.

00:00:58.000 Saying it was evil and un-American and then that would blow up in their face and even more would be posted.

00:01:04.000 Wildly successful.

00:01:06.000 And certainly, hundreds of thousands of people, total, have seen the videos that are posted.

00:01:12.000 Some have 10,000 views, 5,000 views, 1,000 views, 8,000 views.

00:01:17.000 And we've been posting the three or four entries a day as they come in.

00:01:21.000 And I know the really good ones, and some of them are great, are going to come in near the Turn in date, and then in the next week after that we'll announce when Charlie's coming on and we'll announce who's winning the $14,000.

00:01:34.000 But I'll say this, everybody wins who enters the contest.

00:01:41.000 And people are asking for direction.

00:01:42.000 I'm getting calls and emails.

00:01:43.000 I can't give you directions, okay?

00:01:46.000 I can't give somebody direction of what I'd like to see, and then Charlie's picking the winner.

00:01:52.000 It's whatever strikes Charlie Sheen as the best produced, the best message, the best adaptation of that 15-page 20 Minutes with the President.

00:02:01.000 And the key is the 20 points.

00:02:03.000 Those are the most important 20 points of 9-11 truth that we've identified.

00:02:09.000 This is a $14,000 prize, first place.

00:02:12.000 Second place is $1,000.

00:02:13.000 Third place is $500.

00:02:15.000 Everybody wins by getting the truth out about 9-11 Truth.

00:02:18.000 So in the last nine days, I would ask listeners, send 20MinutesWithThePresident.com.

00:02:23.000 There's a banner on InfoWars.com.

00:02:25.000 If you go to InfoWars.com and click on the banner, it goes to 20 Minutes.

00:02:30.000 withthepresident.com.

00:02:32.000 It's a really nice site.

00:02:33.000 It has Charlie Sheen's message to the President there.

00:02:35.000 It has a 20 Minutes with the President article there.

00:02:38.000 And it could be two black guys talking, two white guys, a black guy and a white guy, a white guy and a black girl.

00:02:44.000 It could be a Chinese person.

00:02:46.000 It could be a Native American.

00:02:47.000 It doesn't matter.

00:02:48.000 It could be video clips with a voiceover.

00:02:51.000 But we got nine days left on this, and you send them In fact, we have a special email just for the contest, don't we?

00:03:00.000 It's linked up there on the site.

00:03:03.000 And if you haven't seen us post your contest entry, because Lord knows we're missing them.

00:03:12.000 Send them again.

00:03:13.000 Send them to Kurt at InfoWars.com.

00:03:15.000 Send them to Aaron.

00:03:16.000 CC it to Sheen at InfoWars.com.

00:03:20.000 Contest at InfoWars.

00:03:22.000 Our problem is we're having trouble with email management.

00:03:25.000 We're putting in a new system.

00:03:26.000 We get 3, 4, 5,000 emails a day.

00:03:28.000 Most of them are spam, but over 1,000 are good emails.

00:03:31.000 We battle to read them, to scan them, but it's kind of like... And it goes in its own box, but sometimes it gets... The point is, make sure you get your entry in to us as well.

00:03:41.000 And so we can post them.

00:03:42.000 But there's nine days left in this, ladies and gentlemen.

00:03:46.000 Nine.

00:03:47.000 Nine days left until the close on November 15th.

00:03:52.000 Then we've got to have time to review them, make sure we get them all, and then Charlie can judge them.

00:03:57.000 I'm going to judge second and third place.

00:03:59.000 But when we had the idea for the contest, I said, how about $10,000?

00:04:03.000 He said, yeah, but taxes, it'll be $3,000, $4,000.

00:04:06.000 Let's do $13,500.

00:04:07.000 And I said, yeah, but $13,500 sounds weird.

00:04:12.000 Let's do $14,000.

00:04:13.000 $14,000 to whoever does the best job.

00:04:16.000 And again, everybody wins.

00:04:17.000 It gets the word out to everyone.

00:04:19.000 And I like a lot of the entries that have come in, but we're not seeing 200, 300 entries like we saw on the Joker Obama poster drive.

00:04:28.000 Now, I know more are coming in, but it's not too late for you to do this.

00:04:33.000 It's not too late for you to get involved.

00:04:35.000 I want to see your creativity.

00:04:36.000 I want to see what you're going to do.

00:04:40.000 So again, ladies and gentlemen, I want to commend everybody out there that has been involved in it.

00:04:44.000 Great work.

00:04:45.000 Few of them aren't too great.

00:04:48.000 Pretty half-hearted job on some of them.

00:04:50.000 But that happened with the Obama poster contest as well.

00:04:52.000 The point is, these videos will then drift around forever, pointing out the key 20 bullet points.

00:04:58.000 But you can do it however you want, in whatever way you want.

00:05:03.000 But get on it today, ladies and gentlemen.

00:05:05.000 20MinutesWithAPresident.com.

00:05:07.000 That's 20 with the President, or you can type it out.

00:05:10.000 20MinutesWithAPresident.com is a word.

00:05:13.000 Spell out 20MinutesWithAPresident or 20WithAPresident.com.

00:05:18.000 Both of those addresses get you there, don't they?

00:05:21.000 Both those URLs, 20WithAPresident.com and 20 spelled out with apresident.com.

00:05:29.000 Oh really?

00:05:29.000 Because we wanted 2-0 with the President.

00:05:31.000 That was the URL we bought.

00:05:32.000 Can we get that linked up too?

00:05:38.000 Okay, okay.

00:05:39.000 No, somebody else has that.

00:05:40.000 Alright.

00:05:41.000 Alright, so you just spell it out.

00:05:43.000 20MinutesWithThePresident.com.

00:05:45.000 Okay, going to Bob Chapman.

00:05:50.000 Former military intelligence ran the biggest financial newsletter out there for a long time, retired, came back with the internationalforecaster.com and a lot of just amazing predictions.

00:06:01.000 He said many, many months ago, that the stock market would go back up, gold would explode.

00:06:09.000 He predicted that in the fall.

00:06:10.000 I don't want to go back over all his predictions here.

00:06:13.000 We've done that before.

00:06:14.000 We just need to pay attention to what he's saying now.

00:06:18.000 And I want to start going to your phone calls for those that are holding at the bottom of the hour, specifically questions for Bob Chapman.

00:06:27.000 But I know some of the callers are already holding, so you can bring up other issues.

00:06:30.000 He'll be able to comment on that, but after we go through this raft of calls, if you're calling in, just questions for Bob Chapman on the economy and the balance of the hour that we have, 1-800-259-9231 is the toll-free number to join us on air.

00:06:44.000 Bob Chapman, good to have you here with us.

00:06:47.000 Well, thank you.

00:06:47.000 It's good to be here again.

00:06:50.000 Gold is above $1,102.

00:06:54.000 Now somewhere up in that area, it's been trading back and forth over $1100, exactly as we predicted.

00:07:02.000 And you know what's surprising about this?

00:07:06.000 And it's very disappointing to me.

00:07:08.000 Analysts, economists, newsletter writers, they poll them.

00:07:14.000 Hurlbut has a service where they poll them.

00:07:19.000 96% of them said that gold was going to go back down again.

00:07:22.000 I mean, you talk about a massive egg in your face.

00:07:27.000 I don't know what these people are thinking about.

00:07:30.000 They're not reading the tea leaves right.

00:07:33.000 But anyway, we're happy we were right.

00:07:35.000 Our subscribers, our listeners, they're making money and so that's what it's all about.

00:07:40.000 But more than that, they're protecting themselves.

00:07:45.000 But Bob, you've made this point many times. 0.98

00:07:47.000 Most of those analysts aren't stupid. 0.97

00:07:50.000 They're paid and put on national television and given syndicated columns to lie to people. 0.99

00:07:56.000 Well, that's true.

00:07:58.000 And then you have the factor of acceptability.

00:08:02.000 A lot of these writers will know what's going on, but they won't talk about I get a different viewpoint.

00:08:10.000 They'll color them.

00:08:11.000 They'll say, well, maybe the people at the SEC or the CFTC will pursue the fact that the market is being manipulated.

00:08:20.000 It's just full of excuses, and that draws them into the middle, so to speak, so they're not thought ill of within their profession.

00:08:31.000 I get a different viewpoint.

00:08:33.000 I don't care what anybody thinks.

00:08:35.000 I hope that I'm right, and I say what I say, and I've been pretty successful at it, and I hope it continues that way.

00:08:42.000 But nothing stands in my way, and I think less of them for that. - Okay.

00:08:48.000 Well, you tell the truth, and let the chips fall where they may, and 95% of the time you're accurate, so am I, and that's why We're so successful at reaching people, but it's kind of sad.

00:09:01.000 I mean, it's like telling somebody you're going to die of cancer, and now we're dying of cancer as a country.

00:09:05.000 The Republic is in bad shape.

00:09:07.000 If we don't remove these criminals immediately, it's over.

00:09:10.000 But it may be even too far gone for that.

00:09:13.000 We just need to remove them so it doesn't get a hundred times worse.

00:09:16.000 Bob, what happened with the IMF dumping all this gold in the market?

00:09:20.000 Ted Anderson, Ron Paul, In fact, I'm going to play that clip later of Ron Paul, said that clearly the IMF and World Bank came in and tried to drive down gold, and that for the first time in modern history, their attempt to drive it down failed and blew up in their face.

00:09:37.000 And this is a major sea change for the dollar, for the markets, for gold.

00:09:43.000 A. Do you concur with Ron Paul and Ted Anderson?

00:09:45.000 And B. What does this mean in the short term?

00:09:49.000 I agree.

00:09:50.000 It's a seminal moment.

00:09:52.000 And we've just passed it.

00:09:54.000 I said there would be an untoward event, and that was it.

00:09:58.000 And the only question I have about that is that I suspect there's a possibility that the Indians didn't buy that gold.

00:10:10.000 I think there's a possibility that that gold could have been sold some time ago.

00:10:16.000 And what they were effectively doing was completing the transaction By covering a short position.

00:10:22.000 In other words, they had sold and they would have had somebody ostensibly buy it back when in fact they weren't.

00:10:31.000 Now, India was one of the signatories to the IMF in 1947.

00:10:40.000 And they chose a number of countries to hold gold.

00:10:43.000 And India was one of them. 0.98

00:10:46.000 And perhaps it's possible That the gold that India held may have been sold previously.

00:10:57.000 And India was just saying, well, we're buying it. 0.94

00:11:01.000 And that would have completed the transactions because essentially they were sellers on behalf of the IMF before.

00:11:08.000 So that's possible.

00:11:10.000 The other thing is maybe they did, in fact, buy the gold.

00:11:15.000 I don't know which, but I do know one thing.

00:11:18.000 They're both good.

00:11:20.000 And the Chinese say that we can get gold cheaper by buying gold produced in the country.

00:11:27.000 And they're right.

00:11:29.000 They're a big gold producer.

00:11:30.000 But they have to wait for it to be harvested and brought in.

00:11:35.000 And so I think Chinese are going to line up there.

00:11:39.000 And if there is gold for sale in reality, I think they'll be Go ahead.

00:11:47.000 Okay, stay there.

00:11:48.000 Bob Chapman's our guest.

00:11:50.000 We're going to continue to talk about these joblessness numbers, record high, and that's even Cook numbers.

00:11:55.000 We're going to talk about where gold's going from here and your phone calls.

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00:14:06.000 I get it.

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00:14:16.000 That's not what's happening.

00:14:18.000 You might even pass on gold if the stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation, or that the dollar wouldn't lose value, or that your retirement would be secure.

00:14:26.000 If all looks rosy to you, then now is not the time to buy gold.

00:14:30.000 For the realists, there have never been more sobering reasons to diversify with gold.

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00:15:58.000 I'm going to play a clip of Ron Paul talking about the attempted gold manipulation by the IMF when we come out of the next break.

00:16:13.000 Bob Chapman's our guest.

00:16:18.000 Bob, the mainstream media and the IMF, the World Bank, the G20 have gone from saying, will we go off the dollar, to yes, we're going off of it, and it's now begun.

00:16:28.000 Will it be a long protracted death or a quick death?

00:16:32.000 Why does the establishment want this?

00:16:34.000 Why are they doing this?

00:16:37.000 This jobless recovery, oxymoron, over 10% unemployment.

00:16:42.000 Those are Cook numbers.

00:16:43.000 Break it down for us.

00:16:45.000 Well, the unemployment numbers are easy.

00:16:49.000 That's U3 that they're talking about.

00:16:51.000 10.2% up from 9.75%, 9.58%, whatever it was.

00:16:58.000 The real figure is the U6, which is 17.5% by their 7 and 5.8%, according to their own figures.

00:17:10.000 That includes U3, which is the 10.2%.

00:17:14.000 Those who are no longer receiving checks, those who are discouraged, and those who are forced to work part-time.

00:17:22.000 There's one thing that's left out of there, and that is called the birth-death ratio.

00:17:27.000 Which means the government says, well, gee, we can't check on everybody, so we'll guess.

00:17:33.000 And so they always guess in their own favor.

00:17:35.000 Except for twice in the last six years.

00:17:38.000 And so with that said, if you extract the birth-death ratio, you will come up with a new unemployment figure of 22.4%.

00:17:47.000 of 22.4%.

00:17:52.000 That is depression level, is it not?

00:17:55.000 It's right on the fringe.

00:17:57.000 in At least in unemployment.

00:18:02.000 And unemployment tends to be a lagging statistic.

00:18:07.000 And that means that unemployment is going to get worse even if the economy gets a little better or better.

00:18:15.000 And so I had projected in January, and we've talked about this before, 22%.

00:18:20.000 And so I was wrong.

00:18:25.000 It's a little higher than that.

00:18:27.000 But that's okay.

00:18:29.000 At the time I made the projection, the number was 13.5%.

00:18:34.000 So, you know, we were pretty much on.

00:18:36.000 Next year, it'll probably run sideways to slightly higher, maybe 23 or 4%.

00:18:43.000 It all depends whether we get stimulus and how much the stimulus is.

00:18:47.000 They're talking about it now.

00:18:49.000 We projected $2 trillion in January for this coming year.

00:18:54.000 Now it looks like they want to do somewhere between $400 and $800 billion stimulus from Congress, and they want the banks to lend the 14% decrease that they've instituted in the last year.

00:19:09.000 And if they do that, they'll come up with about $1.5 to $2 trillion, which is right in the ballpark of what we were looking for.

00:19:16.000 But it's only going to buy them another year.

00:19:18.000 All they're doing is throwing money at this thing, and it's not solving the problem.

00:19:23.000 I was about to say, buy us another year until total collapse.

00:19:26.000 I mean, the people are losing their jobs, the industry is falling apart, retail sales are plunging.

00:19:34.000 Every indicator is that the crash is already here, but we have all these painted trollops, the Infobabes, and the cutesy guys for the girls on Fox and CNN and MSNBC and CNBC. 0.99

00:19:48.000 Explaining to us that, well, it's bad for you, but good for the banks, so the economy's good.

00:19:56.000 Well, that's rather jaded.

00:19:58.000 The whole thing is a scam, inasmuch as the banks, the brokerage firms, and the insurance companies, and transnationals caused this problem in the first place.

00:20:09.000 And they're the ones that are getting bailout, not the transnational, but the others.

00:20:13.000 And so, very little has gone to the public.

00:20:15.000 And I know this is going to Extend unemployment benefits and as well as the $8,000 credit for housing and they're going to try to keep the interest rates down as long as they can.

00:20:30.000 And that's like a band-aid on an axe wound?

00:20:35.000 Exactly.

00:20:36.000 Now you asked for a timeline here.

00:20:40.000 Must have been six months since Paul Craig Roberts and I were on here together.

00:20:45.000 And we both said, you know, two and a half to three years.

00:20:48.000 Well, here we are six months later, and now it's a year and a half to two and a half years.

00:20:54.000 And they're going to pull the plug up in that area sometime.

00:20:59.000 And so that would put us into 2011 and a half to 2012 and a half, somewhere in there.

00:21:06.000 And that's when the whole house is going to fall down.

00:21:11.000 And you better have gold and silver coins, because if you don't, you're going to be in deep doo-doo.

00:21:16.000 Well, some are saying, OK, it's a bubble in gold.

00:21:19.000 Well, regardless then, for investment, that's the... These guys get bubbles in their heads, Alex, believe me.

00:21:26.000 I mean, they don't know what to do.

00:21:27.000 They've been so wrong so often. 1.00

00:21:30.000 It's just totally pathetic. 0.99

00:21:32.000 There's no bubble layer. 0.95

00:21:34.000 I mean, let's take inflation officially since 1980.

00:21:38.000 We got a break.

00:21:40.000 Come back, Bob.

00:21:41.000 We'll be right back after this break with Bob, and he'll give us those numbers.

00:21:43.000 And we'll play this Ron Paul clip.

00:21:45.000 Go to your phone calls.

00:21:46.000 Bob Chabon, The International Forecaster.com is our guest.

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00:21:50.000 We're on the march.

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00:26:49.000 Well, let's have Bob finish the point he was trying to make.

00:26:51.000 Then I'm going to play this Ron Paul clip and go to your calls.

00:26:54.000 Sorry that the satellite break cuts you off.

00:26:57.000 Those are hard breaks, Bob.

00:26:59.000 Go ahead and finish up your point.

00:27:00.000 And so, official inflation since 1980 would make gold somewhere between $2,400 and $2,500 an ounce.

00:27:08.000 That is the very minimum it should be selling at.

00:27:11.000 My figure is, for official inflation since then, $6,700 an ounce.

00:27:14.000 John Williams, who you all know, The eminent economist says it's $7,150 per ounce.

00:27:23.000 And I'm not going to argue with him, because he's a better economist than I am.

00:27:29.000 So gold is vastly underpriced.

00:27:34.000 Absolutely.

00:27:34.000 Gold isn't going up because it's a bubble like oil or some other commodity.

00:27:40.000 It's because the dollar's devalued and people worldwide are trying to get into something that's real and tangible because all the economists we've talked to have said that as the dollar goes, it's also going to hurt other global currencies and regional currencies.

00:27:55.000 It's just they're not going to be hurt as bad.

00:27:58.000 So there's a flight from currencies into hard assets, isn't there?

00:28:03.000 That's exactly right.

00:28:05.000 Everybody's going to get hurt in varying degrees.

00:28:08.000 And it's been happening for six years.

00:28:10.000 It's nothing new.

00:28:12.000 Every currency in the world has gone down against gold in the last six years.

00:28:17.000 And they've all inflated by increasing money and credit and lowering interest rates and more money than they've got coming in.

00:28:28.000 Amazing.

00:28:30.000 What is the federal government going to do as the world starts refusing to buy their T-bills or buy their dollars and other government Offerings as Obama spends more money than all presidents before him combined.

00:28:46.000 That's official.

00:28:47.000 We thought Bush was bad, tripling the size of government.

00:28:50.000 Obama has taken that to a whole new level. 0.96

00:28:52.000 Of course, he's just a puppet.

00:28:53.000 But the point is the establishment is doing this.

00:28:56.000 What are they going to do?

00:28:57.000 I guess just run dead up and steal, steal, steal until everything implodes and then Have their new banking system as the answer?

00:29:06.000 Won't people see through the fact that the very same banks that engineered the crisis are now posing as the saviors, Bob?

00:29:13.000 Yes, they will.

00:29:15.000 And it's not going to work unless ultimately they have a currency which is backed by gold.

00:29:22.000 And so going full circle, how are they going to Be able to continue to finance the U.S.

00:29:28.000 debt.

00:29:29.000 The Federal Reserve, their private corporation, they have been monetizing debt.

00:29:35.000 That means they've been printing money out of thin air and using it to buy Treasury bonds, agency bonds, which is Fannie, Freddie, and Ginnie, and FHA.

00:29:48.000 They've been making swaps with foreign nations, $500 billion at a time.

00:29:53.000 They've injected $12.7 trillion into the financial system just through banking and Wall Street in the last year.

00:30:06.000 We're on the hook for $23.4 trillion if we don't get any of the money back.

00:30:12.000 I mean, the figures are astronomical.

00:30:13.000 They'd be paid for by the great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren of us.

00:30:19.000 And this is how buried we are.

00:30:22.000 And the only way out of this thing is official devaluation, which means gold would have set a much, much higher price than it is now, and that would have to be default on debt.

00:30:35.000 And I believe that's going to happen a year and a half to two from now, and I'd like to get Paul Craig Roberts' view on that, because we seem to be pretty close.

00:30:45.000 I had him on a few weeks ago, and he's beginning to revise His forecast of it being further out, he says that it's beginning to look like it may happen sooner rather than later because the deterioration is accelerating.

00:31:00.000 But I guess we're all here together and we're going to find out.

00:31:04.000 Here's what Ron Paul had to say yesterday here live with us when I asked him about the death of the dollar and he said that he thought that would be more incremental but then he got off into gold.

00:31:15.000 Here's Congressman Ron Paul.

00:31:18.000 It's going to hurt the economy.

00:31:19.000 I wouldn't say it's abandoned, but it's less important all the time.

00:31:23.000 I mean, the fact that they can still have 60% reserves means it's still there.

00:31:28.000 But I look at the market signals, and I think the thing that happened this week was very, very significant.

00:31:35.000 That is when the IMF announces that they're going to dump 200 tons of gold on the market.

00:31:40.000 Well, you know, earlier a person was thinking, they were hoping, well, a lot of that gold out there, that's going to drive down the price of gold and make all the fiat currencies look better.

00:31:48.000 But what happened?

00:31:50.000 A bank from Asia, India, buys the whole lot, which sent a signal, I think, to the world markets that, in essence, gold has been remonetized.

00:32:01.000 It never gets demonetized, but it has less importance as money when all the countries reject it.

00:32:07.000 But I think this is a major, major signal that the dollar is getting closer.

00:32:12.000 It's on its last legs, and gold is getting more important.

00:32:14.000 And as the Chinese buy less and less, they have already started buying gold, and they don't want to buy too much too fast and shoot the price up too quickly.

00:32:25.000 But I think that's coming.

00:32:26.000 I think the gold price is destined to go a lot higher, and the dollar is going to go a lot lower.

00:32:31.000 And they cannot dethrone gold.

00:32:34.000 They can disrupt and play these games for a long, long time.

00:32:38.000 But in many ways, this is very, very good because it tells us that the governments no longer can get away with just printing money to finance their schemes.

00:32:46.000 It's their schemes that are so damaging to us, whether it's the welfare or the warfare.

00:32:51.000 It all hurts the people because they have to pay the bills.

00:32:54.000 So some of these things are good signals, although it means that we have to be concerned about the chaos that might erupt.

00:33:01.000 All right, that was a short snippet of Ron Paul's interview with us live here yesterday.

00:33:08.000 Bob, your comments on that?

00:33:11.000 Totally along the lines of what Ted Anderson and I have been talking about for a long time, and I agree and I'm sure Ted does, and I think that we're right on course.

00:33:24.000 My feeling is this thing was all created for a reason.

00:33:29.000 It just didn't happen.

00:33:31.000 And I think there's a point along the way that they had planned to switch from the inflationary depression to the deflationary.

00:33:41.000 And I think that their plans have been so disrupted by your program and programs like it and the International Forecaster and others who not only tell you what's going on in that realm and others, but also the total truth of who's behind it and what they're doing.

00:33:59.000 And your next guest, in a way, is going to be telling you the same thing.

00:34:04.000 I mean, these people on Wall Street are criminals.

00:34:07.000 I know. 0.68

00:34:07.000 I've been there. 0.68

00:34:07.000 I've done that. 0.68

00:34:09.000 Did you read the McClatchy newspaper and big investigation with an award-winning financial writer actually got the internal Goldman Sachs documents where they planned to sell the housing market derivatives knowing they were going to implode?

00:34:27.000 wanting to bring down Bear Stearns.

00:34:29.000 I remember over a year ago on this show, you said Goldman Sachs has all their people as regulators.

00:34:35.000 They grabbed Bear Stearns for no reason and some other brokerage firms and investment banks.

00:34:42.000 And you, in fact, yesterday as I had another guest on and as I covered that article again, I remembered how over a year ago you had said exactly what was happening and now so many others are saying it And of course we have Professor Black, one of the former top federal investigators, he's in Fall of the Republic, saying the same thing. 0.88

00:35:08.000 I mean it's really coming out that these guys are a bunch of crooks.

00:35:12.000 Well what you were referring to were was that they were selling CDOs, Collateralized Debt Obligations, and they were bonds which contained mortgages and pieces of mortgages.

00:35:26.000 And they browbeat the rating agencies S&P, Moody's, and Fitch into giving them AAA ratings, when in fact their ratings were BBB, the difference between a 10 and a 3.

00:35:40.000 And they knew that this toxic garbage was going to start falling apart.

00:35:45.000 So the minute they sold them to the buyers, and of course they did have some still in inventory when all this happened, they sold them to the buyers and then they shorted them.

00:35:58.000 They bet that they were going to go down.

00:36:00.000 And here they've just sold them on the long side to institutions throughout the world, particularly in Europe.

00:36:07.000 And then they turn around and shorted the market at the same time and that's what the writer is talking about.

00:36:12.000 Now let's explain this.

00:36:16.000 You have a bond and you sell it to Alex Jones.

00:36:20.000 Goldman Sachs does.

00:36:22.000 Then they turn around and they go into the market and they sell the bond that you just bought just like they wanted to go down because when you sell short it has a tendency to make the bond of the stock to go lower.

00:36:40.000 And if other people see that, they'll sell too.

00:36:43.000 So if they sell the bond short at par, which is $1,000, it may go down to $95 or $90.

00:36:51.000 And then somewhere along the way, they're going to buy their short position back, and they're going to make a profit on the downside by betting that your bond is going down, which it did.

00:37:02.000 I was about to say, so in layman's terms, Goldman Sachs, unlike any other group, has regulators internationally, in the Treasury, in the Private Federal Reserve, in the government.

00:37:13.000 on On record, running everything. 0.79

00:37:17.000 They go out and package crap derivatives, knowing it's crud, knowing it's bad mortgages. 0.57

00:37:23.000 They get it AAA rated as solid gold. 0.96

00:37:26.000 They tell everybody it's great in press releases.

00:37:28.000 They sell it to banks, institutions, individuals, to the investing world, to governments, to CalPERS in California, to your school district, to the cop.

00:37:39.000 Union, pension funds, everything.

00:37:42.000 They know it's a time bomb.

00:37:45.000 They know it's a car that's going to blow up in an hour, but they sell it to you off the lot, knowing it's going to explode and kill everybody on board. 0.97

00:37:52.000 Then to make sure it happens, it's already crap, they go out and bet against it to drive it down. 0.73

00:37:58.000 Then it goes way down. 0.89

00:37:59.000 Then they use government bailout money to come buy it back up, what has value, picking and choosing, at literally dimes on the dollar.

00:38:08.000 At the bottom, and then they all post record profits and give each other record bonuses.

00:38:12.000 I mean, that is diabolical.

00:38:14.000 And the article goes on to say they didn't just do it for incredible profit, they did it to devastate other financial institutions because they are the regulators.

00:38:24.000 As Goldman Sachs, they have their operatives everywhere.

00:38:26.000 They can then come in and use regulators to shut down and force the sale or liquidation or take over to other Federal Reserve grouped banks that they're allied with or themselves.

00:38:39.000 That was so brilliant that I think that you might get a letter or a call from Goldman Sachs asking you to go to work for them.

00:38:47.000 No, seriously.

00:38:50.000 That was perfect, Alex.

00:38:51.000 And, you know, I know that you're not someone who has been trained in that industry, and that was a wonderful explanation.

00:38:58.000 Thank you.

00:38:59.000 Well, no, I'm just here every day reading it, looking at it.

00:39:01.000 I mean, you know, I just understand what the central... I mean, that's what Rothschild did in 1815, staging the collapse of the market so he could buy it up.

00:39:10.000 I mean, it's the same trick, just more sophisticated.

00:39:13.000 That's right.

00:39:15.000 And I'm glad writers are getting on this.

00:39:17.000 I don't have time to write special item and do special investigation.

00:39:22.000 I'm publishing so much now and 30 hours a week on the radio, but I'm glad they're there.

00:39:28.000 I welcome them.

00:39:29.000 I love them, and I hope they work harder and harder and harder, and I hope more of them come, and I hope more of them come on radio and in the Internet because we need all the help we can get.

00:39:41.000 I'm just blown away by how bold Goldman Sachs is, and, of course, they're just one of the culprits.

00:39:49.000 They just don't care.

00:39:51.000 They are a law unto themselves. 0.97

00:39:54.000 They're crooks in $3,000 suits. 0.86

00:39:58.000 They don't care about the Constitution, the laws. 0.67

00:40:02.000 The SEC protects them.

00:40:03.000 Did Shapiro work for the SEC?

00:40:09.000 There's so many of their alumni, so to speak, in banking worldwide, as you pointed out, as well as in the brokerages that have gone to Washington. 0.72

00:40:21.000 It's ludicrous.

00:40:22.000 Now, it's not new. 0.79

00:40:24.000 There have been other firms.

00:40:25.000 Dylan Reed and J.P.

00:40:27.000 Morgan Chase.

00:40:28.000 J.P.

00:40:28.000 Morgan used to be the anointed ones.

00:40:32.000 And in current years, Goldman Sachs has come along and taken over the helm, so to speak, for the Treasury.

00:40:41.000 J.P.

00:40:41.000 Morgan Chase for the Fed.

00:40:43.000 And one handles one area and one handles the other.

00:40:45.000 But they run the country.

00:40:47.000 And we've got to stop them. 0.94

00:40:50.000 So we have a gang of crooks.

00:40:51.000 Because they want world government and that's what this is all about.

00:40:55.000 Exactly.

00:40:56.000 Because then they're the world government and they write the laws, they control the army, and they can legalize all their crimes.

00:41:02.000 Right now is an important transition for them because they've been doing it under color of law, but if they're able to get their police state in place, heaven help us, Why is Goldman Sachs, every time we turn over a rock, why is one of their alumni in a federal regulatory position?

00:41:21.000 I mean, I don't see many regulatory positions where you don't have a Goldman Sachs ringwraith in there in the cockpit.

00:41:31.000 It's planned that way.

00:41:32.000 Look at the seamless change between Bush and Obama.

00:41:37.000 Team A replaced Team B. Where did they come from?

00:41:41.000 All the bureaucrats, the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberger Group, hardcore alumnus, they all want world government.

00:41:51.000 We didn't have any change, and so it's all the same. 0.76

00:41:57.000 You know, it must be great if you're just totally ruthless and evil, and I mean that sarcastically, but it must just be great because they get to take over, kill, enslave, bankrupt whoever they want, and then talk about how great they are building this great new world order when they're just a bunch of criminals. 0.98

00:42:14.000 Not only that, most of them are pedophiles. 0.99

00:42:19.000 Man, these people... That's even more sickening. 0.99

00:42:26.000 Do you think that they've gone too far, though, Bob?

00:42:29.000 Well, they have, but we have to play it out.

00:42:32.000 And they're going to have to make their moves, and we're going to have to make ours.

00:42:36.000 They think they've got the Army in their pocket, and they're sadly mistaken.

00:42:41.000 They're not going to follow them.

00:42:42.000 I haven't asked you yet what you think of the shooting at Fort Hood.

00:42:49.000 Too early to tell, Alex.

00:42:51.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:42:52.000 But the truth will come out later.

00:42:54.000 But by then, nobody will be paying attention.

00:42:57.000 Your call straight ahead.

00:42:58.000 Two more segments with Bob Chapman.

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00:44:11.000 We're pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home. 1.00

00:44:14.000 We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.

00:44:20.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.

00:44:25.000 For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.

00:44:35.000 Tim Geithner?

00:44:36.000 Bernanke? 0.90

00:44:37.000 They're arsonists!

00:44:38.000 They're asking for more matches!

00:44:39.000 And the Congress is saying, who do we make the check out to?

00:44:42.000 Today, it seems like nobody does care.

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00:45:02.000 Remain in your houses. 0.96

00:45:04.000 The President of the United States has declared martial law under Executive Order 11004.

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00:45:11.000 Will they pull the trigger this time?

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00:45:20.000 Think it can't happen here?

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00:45:36.000 All these executive orders are now cocked, loaded, and waiting for the right crisis.

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00:45:56.000 You must remain in your houses until your bracelets are scanned.

00:45:59.000 Let's go to Nick in New Jersey.

00:46:10.000 Don't call me.

00:46:12.000 Nick, you're on the air.

00:46:12.000 Welcome.

00:46:13.000 Hey, this is my first time calling.

00:46:16.000 Welcome. 0.99

00:46:17.000 I heard Mr. Chapman speak, and it makes me sad to know that the Justice Department, the CIA, and FBI, just who's running those damn companies, you know? 0.79

00:46:31.000 And I was in that march when we went down to Washington, D.C., and all of these buildings were on the same street. 0.65

00:46:38.000 And if I had a paper and pencil, I would have put signs up for sale, for rent, out of business, bank sale.

00:46:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:45.000 Those buildings are right out there, right on the corner.

00:46:48.000 Well, that's what tyranny is. 0.94

00:46:50.000 Well, that's what tyranny is. 0.94

00:46:51.000 It's when criminal interests come in, get control of your government, and start robbing you.

00:46:56.000 And it happens everywhere else on the planet.

00:46:58.000 It's happening here.

00:46:59.000 We better grow up and admit it, and tell these people, stop it, and start bringing them to justice, because they're not going to quit until we grow a backbone.

00:47:08.000 Bob Shetman.

00:47:11.000 That's the way to do it, and that's why we're getting the word out.

00:47:14.000 And that's why you're going to Washington and letting them know that you don't agree with what's going on.

00:47:19.000 They had that march on Thursday.

00:47:21.000 It appeared in none of the major media.

00:47:24.000 Except for them calling them racist.

00:47:26.000 It had nothing to do with race.

00:47:27.000 They don't want government-run health care.

00:47:29.000 They can't run cash for clunkers.

00:47:31.000 They can't run this.

00:47:32.000 And that's being nice to them.

00:47:35.000 Nick, good to hear from you.

00:47:36.000 How do they think they're going to get away with that?

00:47:38.000 Because it's a non sequitur.

00:47:40.000 It has nothing to do with what they were doing. 1.00

00:47:42.000 I mean, stupid! 1.00

00:47:45.000 I'm talking about the government and the media and saying those things. 1.00

00:47:50.000 It's amazing.

00:47:51.000 Let's talk to Arnold in California.

00:47:52.000 Arnold, welcome.

00:47:55.000 Yes, thank you, Alex.

00:47:55.000 Thank you so much for having me on First Time Caller.

00:47:59.000 I've been listening to you for a long time.

00:48:01.000 And here's something that I quite don't understand.

00:48:05.000 It seems like the CIA seems to be more connected in doing business outside of the U.S.

00:48:11.000 to hoard all this money In the international trade, and I know that because I'm somewhat connected internationally, and this is what I always hear from the people.

00:48:21.000 Before you can do anything, it seems like you have to give the CIA their cut first.

00:48:29.000 Bob?

00:48:32.000 First of all, I don't have first-hand knowledge.

00:48:34.000 Historically, I do.

00:48:36.000 And I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't extorting everybody.

00:48:43.000 It is a criminal organization.

00:48:45.000 Well, the thing is, I was in the military myself, and I know that every branch of the military has their own intelligence.

00:48:54.000 And it seems like if the CIA supposedly has intelligence outside of the U.S., why do we need them if the military already has their own?

00:49:02.000 Well, it's a good question.

00:49:04.000 It's something that existed starting in the late 1930s, modeled on MI6.

00:49:07.000 It was OSS.

00:49:11.000 In 1948, it became the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:49:15.000 In 1953, it was brought under the National Security Agency, which was formed that year.

00:49:21.000 So it became part of it.

00:49:22.000 And that same year, the Army Security Agency was formed, and I worked for them.

00:49:27.000 So I worked indirectly with both those organizations, particularly NSA.

00:49:33.000 And so, the CIA exists probably so that Wall Street and others can run the opium trade and extort money from people and pull scams like Madoff and the Nugent hand episode and things like that.

00:49:50.000 I mean, these guys are top criminals.

00:49:52.000 And there's no doubt that the opium trade founded Skull & Bones. 0.54

00:49:56.000 It founded out of OSS CIA.

00:49:58.000 That's in mainline history of the CIA.

00:50:02.000 And you've got all these other compartmentalized federal intelligence groups and international intelligence groups.

00:50:08.000 And there's a lot of good people that work for them, but they're all compartmentalized doing a separate job that isn't part of the criminal hierarchy.

00:50:15.000 Bob Chapman, we're going to let you go.

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00:50:24.000 It's always great having you on with us, and I really appreciate you spending time with us today, Bob.

00:50:30.000 Well, I thank you, and thanks everybody for listening, and I'll be here next week.

00:50:34.000 Bye-bye.

00:50:35.000 Take care.

00:50:36.000 There he goes.

00:50:36.000 I'm Alex Jones with InfoWars.com.

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00:51:09.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us Tim Geithner?

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00:51:57.000 We are back live, continuing with your phone calls and covering the news in this hour. continuing with your phone calls and covering the news in this hour. - So much going on with the economy, joblessness.

00:52:22.000 The federal government's reporting at above 10%.

00:52:24.000 How can we have a jobless recovery?

00:52:27.000 There's also been a terrible shooting in Florida, in an Orlando office building.

00:52:34.000 At least eight people shot there.

00:52:38.000 And of course you have the 12 dead, 30 plus wounded at Fort Hood with all the security there, showing that nothing can stop a nut, except for the Second Amendment.

00:52:49.000 And this female police officer who reportedly shot this individual four times and stopped him.

00:52:55.000 Thank God that she didn't wait like they did at Blacksburg and other places.

00:52:58.000 She charged in and took this guy out. 1.00

00:53:02.000 So she certainly deserves a lot of praise.

00:53:05.000 for that, but they've changed the story so many times.

00:53:09.000 Who knows what's going on?

00:53:10.000 For six hours, they said this guy was dead.

00:53:12.000 Then they said he was alive.

00:53:14.000 So our hearts and prayers go out to all of those at Fort Hood and not just in Texas, but in Orlando, Florida.

00:53:21.000 Just terrible.

00:53:21.000 Okay, we're going to break here in a few minutes, but he'll be with us for several segments.

00:53:25.000 And I'm really excited about this interview because I saw the article in McClatchy newspapers not this Sunday, but last Sunday, and it dovetailed with Professor Black we've had on, a federal regulator, former federal regulator, and so many of John Perkins a federal regulator, former federal regulator, and so many of John Perkins who we've had on, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, all these other insiders talking about Goldman Sachs just really involved in a lot of

00:53:54.000 But the headline is, How Goldman Sachs Secretly Bet on the U.S.

00:53:57.000 Housing Crash And to go over that is the author, the investigative reporter, award-winning investigative reporter, Greg Gordon.

00:54:05.000 And he's written for some of the biggest newspapers in the country and right now is writing for McClatchy News Service and newspapers.

00:54:12.000 And he's broken a lot of just huge international investigative stories.

00:54:20.000 And maybe later we can talk about a few of those.

00:54:22.000 But to talk about Goldman Sachs secretly bet on U.S.

00:54:25.000 housing crash is Greg Gordon.

00:54:27.000 Greg, thanks for coming on with us.

00:54:31.000 We're about to go to break, but just in a nutshell, this is one of the most in-depth, detailed investigative reports I've seen on the banking industry and Goldman Sachs.

00:54:41.000 This is just an amazing job.

00:54:43.000 Thank you so much.

00:54:45.000 In a nutshell, what did you discover?

00:54:48.000 Well, we wanted to find out how Goldman Sachs got out when nobody else It did.

00:54:56.000 And so, the first story of the series is really about how Goldman was selling off.

00:55:02.000 At some stage, it became a sell-off.

00:55:05.000 We don't know exactly what that date is, but in 2006 and 2007, Goldman sold $39 billion of bonds, essentially bonds, backed by risky mortgages registered in the United States.

00:55:20.000 And these securities, many of them have gone south.

00:55:26.000 And then, in addition, Goldman was peddling more exotic securities, many of which were tied, again, to risky mortgages in the United States offshore.

00:55:37.000 And at the same time, Goldman was betting in these dark markets through devices that are known as credit default swaps, but they're basically insurance-like bets.

00:55:48.000 You're buying a little insurance policy on some specific thing, and they were betting that the housing market would go south and these bonds would all lose value.

00:56:00.000 So they start quietly dumping on the market a AAA rated paper that was tied to derivatives, or exotic instruments as they're called, and at the same time betting against it after they dumped it.

00:56:14.000 Man, that is amazing.

00:56:17.000 Well, I want to be clear.

00:56:20.000 They were making bets on similar, but not exactly the same security, but on similar issues.

00:56:29.000 So, in other words, they were betting that the housing market's going to go bad.

00:56:31.000 And if the housing market goes bad, all these mortgages are going to go south, or many of the mortgages, because people are going to find themselves underwater in their houses.

00:56:41.000 We know people across the country have homes that are worth less than their mortgages.

00:56:46.000 Sure, sure.

00:56:47.000 That's been well documented.

00:56:48.000 We're gonna break, come back in a long segment, get more into this incredible article.

00:56:52.000 And he's saying it's the first in a series.

00:56:55.000 Can't wait to read more.

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01:00:08.000 He's written multiple parts in a detailed series.

01:00:12.000 The first of which we've been covering off and on for the last week and a half.

01:00:16.000 How Goldman secretly bet on the U.S.

01:00:18.000 housing crash.

01:00:19.000 Let me just read you a couple lines from Greg Gordon's syndicated article.

01:00:24.000 It says, uh, to piece together Goldman's role in subprime meltdown, McClatchy reviewed hundreds of documents, SEC filings, copies of secret investment circulars, lawsuits, and interviewed numerous people familiar with the firm's activities.

01:00:40.000 And then they go through in this article, piece by piece, Mr. Gordon did, exactly how this was done.

01:00:50.000 And so just stating in layman terms, what do we know Goldman Sachs did?

01:00:56.000 They are the only big group to get out of this.

01:00:58.000 You talk about how This was used against their competition like Bear Stearns and others.

01:01:04.000 All these other groups went belly up, but Goldman Sachs came out smelling like a rose.

01:01:09.000 Record profits, record bonuses.

01:01:12.000 At the same time, we see an overrepresentation of Goldman Sachs alumni In regulatory and government positions, and I want to get into that with you as well.

01:01:23.000 But I know as a journalist, you just want to stay to the facts, but I also want to talk about these documents that you got a hold of.

01:01:29.000 But I mean, let's go through exactly what's happening here and where this is going.

01:01:35.000 And let me say that it's not an accident that so many Goldman executives go on to senior jobs in the government, because Goldman for decades has encouraged its members once they have attained They're wealthy to go and spend some time doing some public service, go and work for the government.

01:02:01.000 So, you know, it sounds noble, but the problem is that when the guys get into the government, they end up being Treasury Secretary or head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, which can regulate some of these derivatives, as you call them, that are traded You know, outside the normal markets, you create appearances at the minimum that are very awkward and in some cases disturbing.

01:02:31.000 Here you had Hank Paulson serving as the Treasury Secretary at the end of the Bush administration last fall, in September, when everything blew up.

01:02:41.000 And it seemed as if every decision, every key decision that was made, Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it seems as if every key decision, where Goldman Sachs was a stakeholder, the decision benefited Goldman Sachs.

01:02:58.000 They took over Bear Stearns when Bear Stearns collapsed, and Goldman had contracts with Bear.

01:03:06.000 We don't talk about this in the series, but it's true. 0.98

01:03:09.000 And Goldman was able to settle out when J.P.

01:03:13.000 Morgan took over Bear Stearns, and that was a deal arranged by Paulson.

01:03:18.000 And then Lehman Brothers, which was a big Goldman rival, was allowed to go under.

01:03:25.000 And that is going to be a decision that will be debated for a very long time.

01:03:28.000 But Lehman's collapse caused a lot of disturbance in the markets, and there's been a running debate about whether Lehman should have been rescued with the rest of them.

01:03:43.000 Lehman had really bet heavily in subprime and lost heavily.

01:03:47.000 And then the decision was made to bail out AIG, the American International Group, and Goldman had placed $20 billion of these insurance-like bets with AIG, the American International Group. the American International Group.

01:04:06.000 And so Goldman...

01:04:10.000 Goldman got paid off out of this money, those rescue money from the government.

01:04:16.000 Goldman was paid $12.9 billion, and over $8 billion of that related to its secret bets, hedging, its subprime and other related risky mortgage-backed securities.

01:04:34.000 And it's also noteworthy that when these This $12.9 billion was paid off.

01:04:40.000 It was 100 cents on the dollar.

01:04:46.000 So it was decided that even the officials at AIG wanted to offer considerably less money to the various counterparties on all these bets it was holding.

01:04:56.000 And by the way, AIG made a dreadful mistake because AIG did not reinsure all these bets.

01:05:02.000 It just assumed that the housing market was going to go up forever.

01:05:05.000 And when it turned south, all of a sudden, instead of just getting these nice premiums from Goldman and, I presume, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers every year, you know, paying maybe $100 million a year in premiums so that they could have this insurance, all of a sudden, AIG had to paying maybe $100 million a year in premiums so that they could have this insurance, all of a sudden, AIG And it didn't have the money, and that's when everything melted down.

01:05:34.000 So Goldman Sachs really always benefited from the decisions that were made by the government officials, including its alumni.

01:05:46.000 Bye. - Great.

01:05:47.000 Greg Gordon's our guest.

01:05:49.000 He's an investigative journalist with McClatchy Washington Bureau, and there's several parts in the series.

01:05:55.000 One is how Goldman secretly bet on the U.S.

01:05:57.000 housing crash.

01:05:58.000 Another, Goldman takes on new role taking away people's homes.

01:06:02.000 Another one, mystery, why did Goldman stop scrutinizing loans it bought?

01:06:06.000 Now, let me just be clear on this, reading over these pieces.

01:06:11.000 You have Goldman Sachs, 2006-2007.

01:06:15.000 Everything's supposedly wonderful.

01:06:16.000 The housing market's going to keep going up forever.

01:06:19.000 Anyone who says that's not the case is a conspiracy theorist.

01:06:23.000 We must give everyone a loan, even if they don't even have a job or rely on their application.

01:06:27.000 It's the American way.

01:06:29.000 Meanwhile, they're putting out promotions saying housing's great, these instruments we're selling are wonderful, while betting against similar instruments did the Goldman Sachs massive shorting did that contribute to the overall bubble beginning to burst because because that gets into a whole nother area not only

01:07:00.000 Are they telling people these derivatives are great while they're separately betting against them secretly, but did their shorting contribute to the bubble beginning to deflate?

01:07:13.000 Well, a couple things, Alex.

01:07:14.000 One, there were derivatives.

01:07:16.000 They were sold generally offshore.

01:07:18.000 But the stuff they were selling here, and even to foreign customers, but they were registering and selling them here, were bonds.

01:07:28.000 They were good old high-yield bonds, rated AAA.

01:07:32.000 Rated AAA.

01:07:34.000 But yet, Goldman was hedging them.

01:07:37.000 Secretly hedging them.

01:07:39.000 And the second thing is I just wanted to mention, when you talked about Goldman promoting the fact that the housing market was doing so well, I've seen reports that Goldman's chief economist was warning that a bubble was approaching.

01:07:52.000 But that strikes me as also very inconsistent or odd, in that Goldman had these AAA ratings on these securities.

01:08:01.000 Of course, they got them from ratings agencies.

01:08:03.000 Well, they always hedge their bet.

01:08:05.000 I mean, sure, they're out here selling them, but then they also mention, ooh, there might be a problem, you know, irrational exuberance down the road.

01:08:14.000 So, oopsie, I told you so.

01:08:16.000 Oh, look, all my competition's destroyed now.

01:08:19.000 Oh, look, I'm making record profits.

01:08:20.000 Oh, look, we're so noble, we happen to have our people all over federal Regulation systems!

01:08:27.000 Oh, man, we're becoming the only player now.

01:08:30.000 Gee, we sure screwed up.

01:08:32.000 We sure screwed up into all this money and power.

01:08:37.000 And you know, the thing about that, they always hedge their bets.

01:08:41.000 These were AAA.

01:08:43.000 And I asked Goldman Sachs, can you give me another example of AAA securities that you hedged like this?

01:08:51.000 And they did not provide such an example.

01:08:53.000 They said, we hedge in a lot of our markets, etc.

01:08:55.000 But to be betting the other way, at the same time you're selling something as AAA, the question is, should they have told the investors, we also are betting that the housing market's going to turn south?

01:09:07.000 Because it was a risk factor right in they list the risk factors in all the prospectuses which go to investors before the and we're talking about, by the way, pension funds, insurance companies, foreign banks, union health and welfare funds, institutional investors.

01:09:25.000 Goldman says it only sold these securities to institutional investors.

01:09:30.000 So the question is, when they were peddling these things, why didn't they disclose that they were also betting the other way?

01:09:40.000 And would the investors then still have purchased these securities if they knew that Goldman was betting that the housing market was going to turn south?

01:09:47.000 Because one of the risk factors said it could really impact these securities if the housing market, especially in California and Florida, where things were red hot and were usually about...

01:10:00.000 Forty, forty-five percent of every bundle of securities that Goldman and others sold came from those states, or were based on mortgages that were written in those states.

01:10:11.000 And so, what would have happened to the sales of key securities if Goldman had acknowledged to investors it disclosed in formal filings with the SEC or in the circulars they passed around on the deals they did in the Cayman Islands?

01:10:29.000 Well, I mean, here's an example.

01:10:35.000 I have a gold sponsor, and I have the gold sponsor on the air, and I really believe gold is going to go up the last six years from 300 bucks an ounce to 1,000, and it has.

01:10:45.000 You're a smart guy.

01:10:49.000 So I mean, it's simple.

01:10:51.000 I mean, I tell people, I believe this is great.

01:10:53.000 Doesn't mean it's perfect.

01:10:54.000 Nothing's a silver bullet.

01:10:55.000 Silver and gold is as close as you get.

01:10:58.000 But then if it came out that I was internally betting against gold to go down, which I believe is going to continue to go up for a while.

01:11:08.000 If I was wrong, that'd be okay.

01:11:09.000 But if it came out that I knew it was going to go down and I was telling people, oh, it's great here, buy it, I could get in a lot of trouble for that.

01:11:17.000 The question is, will Goldman Sachs get in trouble or do they have so many of their people in regulatory positions and Larry Summers running the White House economic area that they're not going to get in trouble?

01:11:29.000 That's a good question.

01:11:32.000 Well, let's talk about that when we come back.

01:11:35.000 Amazing series. 1.00

01:11:37.000 I didn't know it was a series to show how stupid I am. 0.99

01:11:39.000 I just read how Goldman secretly bet on the U.S. 0.99

01:11:42.000 housing crash.

01:11:43.000 These are big, thick, meaty, documented articles.

01:11:47.000 These are not little skinny things.

01:11:49.000 And then he's got another accompanying series of shorter pieces.

01:11:53.000 Just really powerful info.

01:11:56.000 Should Goldman Sachs get in trouble?

01:11:57.000 We'll ask him when we get back.

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01:16:08.000 and And he's broken national investigative pieces for the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

01:16:18.000 The Detroit News, United Press International, he broke major stories on 9-11, EPA scandals, just so many other issues, and he is here with us today.

01:16:34.000 Okay, the question that I posed when we went into break was, Does Goldman Sachs get in trouble for this?

01:16:42.000 I mean, there's not even, that I know of, an investigation being done and the SEC is filled with Goldman Sachs people and I remember Paulson, it's in my film Follow the Republic, He's up there testifying and they say, you were at Goldman Sachs.

01:16:58.000 How did you, Congressman Stern is asking him from Florida, how did you give your company money?

01:17:04.000 And he goes, oh, I got a waiver from, and he said, where'd you get a waiver from?

01:17:08.000 And he said, oh, I got a waiver from the Treasury Department.

01:17:11.000 From himself!

01:17:12.000 I mean, it's just, where does this go?

01:17:14.000 Or do they just continue to get to write the rules?

01:17:17.000 Because I interviewed a professor yesterday that you quote in your article, and he said that all of this is just continuing, that the same people that set all this up are just continuing, and so nothing's being reformed.

01:17:38.000 You're talking about Lawrence Kotlikoff of Boston University, I believe.

01:17:42.000 Yes.

01:17:43.000 And there are a lot of questions about, I'm not covering the reform process because I've been doing this, but there are a lot of questions about whether the right reforms are being done.

01:17:53.000 Congress did create a commission to investigate the crash, the causes of the crash.

01:18:02.000 We also have the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is trying very hard right now to make amends for really blowing the Bernie Madoff investigation for years.

01:18:14.000 I mean, there just was a big inspector general report that came out last week that talked about at least six instances in which SEC investigators had right under their nose opportunities to expose this gigantic Ponzi scheme that has hurt so many people.

01:18:32.000 And each time they missed it, they missed it.

01:18:35.000 They failed to take the obvious investigative step that would have exposed the whole thing, and Madoff basically kept shaking his head, saying, boy, I was lucky that time.

01:18:44.000 So we're going to have to see whether the SEC, which right now under Mary Shapiro, its new chair, Is going to look at Goldman and really at all the investment banks and whether or not they properly, fully disclosed what they knew about these risky mortgages.

01:19:04.000 And one of the last piece of the series, I looked at Goldman's relationship with New Century Mortgage, a company that really was one of the classic high flyers in this sort of go-go industry.

01:19:18.000 New Century In the mid-90s was a pretty small company doing some subprime mortgages, which were a little bit riskier than the traditional mortgages, and maybe had about $300 million-plus in sales.

01:19:32.000 And a decade later, New Century's revenues approached $60 billion in one year, which is staggering.

01:19:41.000 They were the number two behind AmeriQuest.

01:19:44.000 And New Century had about $9 deals in which they sold or their mortgages ended up in pools of securities that Goldman Sachs sold as high-yield bonds.

01:19:58.000 And in addition, Goldman sold off New Century-related securities offshore in at least three deals.

01:20:09.000 So, I tallied up about $5 billion-plus in mortgages from New Century, and I think the number's a bit higher, and maybe quite a bit higher, that Goldman was peddling after converting them into bonds.

01:20:30.000 or other securities.

01:20:31.000 And New Century, I got inside New Century, I looked at a 550-page federal bankruptcy examiner's report, by the way, the only one done on any defunct mortgage company from that era.

01:20:46.000 And I got networked into a bunch of former New Century employees, and they described how essentially all the lids were removed from the mortgage lending process late in this really red-hot housing and they described how essentially all the lids were removed from the mortgage lending process That's when there weren't enough borrowers to keep up with the Wall Street demand.

01:21:15.000 And so the lending criteria, the credit criteria, just began to become, it disappeared into thin air.

01:21:25.000 So this is systemic fraud from top to bottom.

01:21:29.000 I mean, that's what it's been.

01:21:30.000 One of the things, I just want to mention this, Alex, and that is that like other Wall Street firms, Goldman hired contractors to look over these mortgages.

01:21:39.000 Stay there.

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01:21:40.000 We got a break.

01:21:41.000 Come back and explain that to us.

01:21:43.000 Okay.

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01:25:04.000 This is the end.

01:25:06.000 Beautiful.

01:25:08.000 Economics professor Robert Black, one of the chief investigators of the SNLs, is laying out everything our guest is saying and even more.

01:25:17.000 He says it's criminal, conspiracy, top to bottom, that they run all the regulators, they control the entire system, these big banks and brokerage firms.

01:25:26.000 They're going to destroy our society if we don't stop them, and that the fraud we've seen is by an order of magnitude the greatest in history.

01:25:34.000 Those are quotes from Fall of the Republic, the new DVD film we just released two weeks ago, or less than two weeks ago.

01:25:40.000 Get the DVD at InfoWars.com.

01:25:43.000 We have John Perkins in there, Webster Tarpley, a doctor of economics, and also a doctor of history, all agreeing with the same document, same material, and that's only 45 minutes of the two-hour, 24-minute film.

01:25:57.000 Covers the banking, so people and your friends and family, you can give them the film, They can really understand what's going on in this world because this affects everybody.

01:26:07.000 It doesn't matter if you own a stock or a bond.

01:26:09.000 This affects your retirement.

01:26:11.000 It affects your taxes.

01:26:12.000 And the same system is still there.

01:26:16.000 The same people that ran all this are still in positions of power.

01:26:20.000 They control both the major parties, and it's just getting worse and worse.

01:26:24.000 Greg Gordon has written three parts that I see in the series.

01:26:27.000 There may be more.

01:26:28.000 Hal Goldman secretly bet on the U.S.

01:26:29.000 housing crash.

01:26:31.000 Goldman takes on new role taking away people's homes.

01:26:33.000 Mystery.

01:26:33.000 Why did Goldman stop scrutinizing loans it bought?

01:26:36.000 I want to briefly, in the ten minutes or less that we have left with our guest today, go over some of that.

01:26:41.000 We'll give you the latest on the shootings around the country, unfortunately.

01:26:45.000 In Florida and Texas, some new developments there.

01:26:48.000 Okay, going back to Greg Gordon.

01:26:50.000 Greg, you were trying to say something as we went to break.

01:26:53.000 I was just going to mention that the Wall Street firms, as you would expect them to do, hired contractors to look over pools of mortgages before they were actually purchased.

01:27:06.000 And it's very interesting what happened here.

01:27:10.000 I've managed to find some of the people who We're looking over these loans, including a former project manager who would not be identified for fear it would ruin his career, who said that he watched as the number of loans that were reviewed in each pool, the percentage of loans, declined steadily from really 100% at the beginning to 10% or less at the end.

01:27:37.000 So they weren't looking at but a small sample of the loans at the end.

01:27:42.000 Then, you had the problem of the reviewers.

01:27:46.000 Some of these people were very experienced, have been in the lending business for 10, 20 years, and they'd look at a loan, and they'd say, hey, this person is a landscaper making $10,000.

01:27:54.000 making $10,000.

01:27:55.000 This person is a hairdresser claiming $10,000 a month.

01:28:02.000 And this person here is a checker at Walmart claiming $5,000 a month in income. 0.94

01:28:09.000 And they're getting these big loans.

01:28:11.000 But how do you justify this?

01:28:13.000 We have to stop this loan because this is not legit.

01:28:15.000 And they'd be told, no, we have to follow the guidelines of the mortgage lender.

01:28:20.000 And this mortgage lender, this particular kind of loan, is what's known as a stated income loan.

01:28:27.000 The stated income loan became known later on as a liar's loan.

01:28:31.000 There was no verification of the loan.

01:28:38.000 So we had fraud engineered into the system.

01:28:40.000 So here's the issue.

01:28:42.000 We see Madoff go to jail.

01:28:43.000 We see Ken Lay get convicted.

01:28:46.000 But looking at this, it seems as if their crimes are smaller, diminutive, are dwarfed by these bigger institutional hedged frauds where they all kind of You know, pass on the guilt to each other, and then everyone just acts stupid, and there's no Kingpin Madoff or Ken Lay, but in the aggregate, it's galaxies bigger, and you can't get rid of these people.

01:29:14.000 They run the system still.

01:29:16.000 I mean, are we just drifting towards destruction?

01:29:20.000 Well, I don't know whether we're drifting towards destruction, but it's clear that this was a chain of profit that began from a real estate agent through the appraiser, the mortgage broker, the mortgage lender, the securitizer, and the So they're the kingpins.

01:29:39.000 You couldn't have done this, however, at this scale without the ratings agencies who bestowed these AAA ratings on these securities and without Wall Street, which turned a fairly nominally sized market into a $2 trillion market.

01:29:53.000 So they're the kingpins.

01:29:55.000 So the buck stops with the regulators?

01:29:59.000 We'll see.

01:30:01.000 I'm not going to get by.

01:30:03.000 I'm not going to make any predictions what the regulators are going to do, not after the Madoff case.

01:30:10.000 We'll see whether they are willing to go in there and subpoena Goldman Sachs to find out exactly what bets and what the chronology was.

01:30:21.000 The timing of all these secret bets and what they were and what people knew, most important perhaps, probably, what did people know while they were making the secret bets?

01:30:31.000 Did they know they were peddling toxic waste and they needed to insure themselves and that's why they bought $20 billion in insurance-like bets with AIG?

01:30:40.000 Or was this just, as Goldman Sachs would put it, were they just repositioning their portfolio?

01:30:50.000 It's just mind-blowing to see something like this at this magnitude going on, and no one's been brought to justice to add insult to injury.

01:30:59.000 Record profits for Goldman Sachs, record bonuses, and it's going on at these other big firms.

01:31:05.000 Bonuses at AIG, bonuses at JP Morgan, bonuses all around, while the real economy goes belly-up and unemployment skyrockets.

01:31:18.000 That's correct.

01:31:19.000 Well, we'll have to see whether we get an investigation.

01:31:23.000 You asked me before about what Goldman is doing now, and it is interesting and sad to note that, like the other Wall Street firms, Goldman Sachs, this 24-carat Wall Street firm, has been reduced to going into court around the country and filing papers to has been reduced to going into court around the country and filing papers to seize the homes of people who borrowed on subprime mortgages and many of whom would never have been able to get these loans if Wall Street hadn't created

01:31:52.000 Now they're losing their homes, and a lot of these people, because their credit is so filed up, will never be able to qualify to get another mortgage again.

01:32:00.000 Well, it's a predatory vertical integration of the economy. 0.93

01:32:05.000 Strip mining is the way I would describe it.

01:32:08.000 But certainly, Goldman has come out better than anybody in this.

01:32:12.000 Most of their competitors are dead and gone.

01:32:14.000 They've made record profits.

01:32:16.000 They've got their people everywhere.

01:32:18.000 in every regulatory agency in the White House.

01:32:21.000 And so it paid off.

01:32:23.000 I mean, it looks like this paid.

01:32:25.000 Looks like, you know, why did that famous gangster rob banks?

01:32:30.000 Because that's where the money was.

01:32:31.000 And I guess nobody will even point the finger at them.

01:32:34.000 And so they'll, I mean, I guess that's it.

01:32:37.000 They win.

01:32:39.000 Let's say this, in fairness.

01:32:43.000 Nobody's feeling terribly fair toward Goldman, wanting to be terribly fair toward Goldman Sachs because they're making so much money in this horrible climate right now, economic climate.

01:32:52.000 But Goldman, this is not the only market Goldman was in.

01:32:56.000 And they're very smart.

01:32:57.000 They get the best and the brightest out of Ivy League schools, and they're very smart.

01:33:00.000 They make a lot of money in a lot of places.

01:33:03.000 What's drawing our attention is just the fact that Goldman wasn't a small player and they got out.

01:33:11.000 They made it out safely and nobody else really did.

01:33:16.000 And they just so happen to have all the regulators.

01:33:18.000 Well, amazing.

01:33:19.000 And now they're running around, you've got an investigative report on that, one of the most aggressive groups, correct me if I'm wrong, going after people's houses.

01:33:30.000 Well, there was a disturbing example.

01:33:32.000 A couple named Tony and Celia Becker from San Jose had a 1,500-square-foot house, and they took a couple of mortgages out to support a jewelry business that had been hit with wildfires and other things that happened in California.

01:33:48.000 And they were having some financial problems.

01:33:51.000 They took these mortgages out to free up some cash to try to keep their business afloat.

01:33:56.000 And they fell behind nonetheless on the payments when the second wildfire kind of wiped out the whole area around their business.

01:34:04.000 And so they needed to they discovered a clause in the mortgage that allowed them to negotiate to defer some of the loan payments.

01:34:12.000 And they needed to negotiate with their lender to get this deferral.

01:34:17.000 The only problem was nobody would admit to being the lender.

01:34:19.000 Goldman had bought the mortgages from a subprime lender and denied that he had owned the mortgages, which might have been technically true because they were stuck in a trust at the time, but they knew where they were.

01:34:31.000 And this couple wrote a letter to Goldman's chairman, none other than Henry Paulson at the time, 2003, and it took three years before sort of an obscure Goldman subsidiary acknowledged at a court hearing that, yes, Goldman held their mortgage.

01:34:49.000 And then it took another three years until just a couple months ago, they finally got a concession from Goldman.

01:34:55.000 Goldman gave them a new mortgage at 5% interest.

01:34:58.000 Now, this couple, it was a novel case, because they had some claims, some investment loss claims against Goldman and some other Wall Street firms.

01:35:05.000 And Goldman settled up with them.

01:35:06.000 But the question is, how could Goldman take so long just to acknowledge that it Yeah, how can you?

01:35:14.000 Well, I mean, I've got a mortgage, and over the years it's been sold, I think, five times, and then I would have them threatening me over escrow money, and I'd say, I paid that bank, and then they wouldn't say who bought it.

01:35:27.000 Well, another company now has it.

01:35:29.000 Send your check here.

01:35:30.000 Send your check there.

01:35:32.000 Make your wireless payment here.

01:35:34.000 Make your wireless payment there.

01:35:35.000 And then I read about It's been on CNN where people actually own a house, but then they say paperwork wasn't filed right, and so banks come in and start repossessing.

01:35:47.000 I mean, this is crazy!

01:35:50.000 It's a very common problem.

01:35:51.000 A lot of these Wall Street firms did not always file papers with the local registrar of deeds.

01:35:59.000 It's called an assignment of mortgage, and it makes clear who the mortgage holder is.

01:36:03.000 And a lot of times they didn't file these papers properly.

01:36:07.000 And it just goes on and on and on, and instead of more transparency, it looks like we're getting less.

01:36:10.000 They run into all kinds of problems because they can't figure out, you know, the title companies.

01:36:15.000 They want to know who has the mortgage.

01:36:17.000 Who are we paying off?

01:36:18.000 Are they going to get a payoff figure if you can't even figure out who owns the mortgage?

01:36:22.000 And it just goes on and on and on.

01:36:26.000 And instead of more transparency, it looks like we're getting less.

01:36:30.000 Well, I guess we're going to see more in this series, or are you done writing about Goldman Sachs for now?

01:36:35.000 We got a lot of leads in response to this series.

01:36:38.000 We'll see if any of them turn fruitful.

01:36:40.000 I'm following a number of them right now, trying to see where they go.

01:36:45.000 We'll see if we can chin up some good follow stories.

01:36:50.000 Okay, Greg Gordon with McClatchy Newspapers, award-winning investigative journalist, and I mean award-winning, breaking so many important, seminal news stories.

01:36:58.000 Thank you so much for spending time with us.

01:37:00.000 We've been honored.

01:37:01.000 Same here.

01:37:02.000 Thank you very much, Alex.

01:37:03.000 Thank you.

01:37:04.000 There he goes.

01:37:04.000 Take care.

01:37:05.000 I'm going to take some final calls here at the end of the show and get into the shooting news.

01:37:09.000 They're still chasing the guy around in Florida.

01:37:13.000 We've got his name.

01:37:14.000 It's up on InfoWars and Prison Planet.

01:37:15.000 Reportedly blasted eight people.

01:37:18.000 You've got this, which is guaranteed to be a Prozac head psychiatrist at Fort Hood.

01:37:23.000 They're trying to spin into terrorism.

01:37:26.000 It could be that.

01:37:28.000 Could be a staged event.

01:37:29.000 We'll find out later, as Bob Chapman said.

01:37:32.000 It is too early right now.

01:37:35.000 For me to sit here and tell you that I have any idea what's going on.

01:37:38.000 I'll tell you this, it stinks to high heaven.

01:37:40.000 My nose is rarely wrong.

01:37:46.000 And it's telling me that this stinks bad.

01:37:49.000 And if we keep seeing more shootings, and they turn out to be on drugs, or turn out to be army psychiatrists, or... It's just very, very suspicious right now, and we are...

01:38:02.000 We are looking at that in detail.

01:38:06.000 Meanwhile, we've got distractions in and around this story.

01:38:10.000 The big talk on the fake conservative stations.

01:38:13.000 They don't want to talk about the Global Carbon Tax Treaty.

01:38:16.000 They don't want to talk about All the really serious issues, or how the Republicans are in bed with Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan and the private Federal Reserve just as much as Obama.

01:38:26.000 No, they're all, oh we're the conservatives, we'll be back in power in the next year and a half in Congress and we'll fix it all.

01:38:32.000 Yeah, let's see if that happens.

01:38:34.000 When they get in.

01:38:36.000 Just like, we'll see what happens when Obama got in.

01:38:38.000 And then when I'm attacking the Republican Congress, in a year and a half when they get control of the House, which they're probably going to do, I'll be called a commie again. 0.97

01:38:48.000 I'm being called a right-wing extremist right now because I don't like the political whore that reads off a teleprompter who's Barack Obama. 0.97

01:38:56.000 No, I'm a constitutionalist. 0.99

01:38:58.000 I'm a truth teller.

01:38:59.000 I'm somebody that just tells the truth, lets the chips fall where they may, we make a mistake, we admit it, We're right, we trumpet it, we're here.

01:39:08.000 You can judge us by our track record, by the fruits of what we produce, what we create, what we do. 0.99

01:39:15.000 But this indignation of the citizenry, getting mad, having their political angers dissipated like a steam valve on ridiculous crap. 0.88

01:39:26.000 Obama's giving a speech yesterday, they load his teleprompter, I've gone and pulled the video up, with prepared remarks He reads off the... I'm not defending Obama, but I'm not going to spend all day on some puppet and ask the listeners, what do you think of Obama not caring about the troops? 0.97

01:39:46.000 What do you think of Obama being disrespectful to him?

01:39:50.000 That's a mind game the media is playing with you.

01:39:52.000 This guy gets up there, reads off a teleprompter, says, oh, our hearts go out to everybody who was hurt.

01:40:01.000 You know, after he thanks the Congressional Medal of Honor winner and thanks the people that are there, two minutes in, he talks about the shooting as if he's the president, as if he's running anything.

01:40:12.000 It's all about, it's Obama, and everything stops with Obama, and Obama really runs things.

01:40:17.000 That way, in three to seven years, whenever he leaves office, Whether he's one term or two, it can all be blamed on him.

01:40:29.000 And then we'll get another fake right winger. 0.97

01:40:32.000 And then in four to eight years, it can all be blamed on him again.

01:40:35.000 And then we'll get another Democrat. 0.97

01:40:37.000 And then we can build them up and tear them down and make it all about how they're making the decision.

01:40:43.000 Obama's making the decision on whether to increase troops in Afghanistan.

01:40:48.000 They've already sent in two groups of troops.

01:40:50.000 They've increased it.

01:40:52.000 Right at 40,000 more.

01:40:54.000 But they make it all about a debate.

01:40:55.000 Will there be more after that?

01:40:57.000 And what decision will he make?

01:40:59.000 Will he make the right decision?

01:41:01.000 It's just all a big theater game.

01:41:05.000 No doubt about it.

01:41:06.000 It means nothing.

01:41:11.000 It means absolutely nothing.

01:41:15.000 Did the media make a big deal about it when Obama's controllers six months ago wanted to make veterans pay for their own medical care?

01:41:23.000 No.

01:41:25.000 Because the establishment doesn't care about the veterans.

01:41:27.000 They're scared of the veterans.

01:41:29.000 They don't like you.

01:41:30.000 They use fake patriotism to control you.

01:41:33.000 That's why they're banning a lot of veterans from owning guns.

01:41:36.000 Are veterans with guns dangerous? 0.67

01:41:37.000 You bet they are.

01:41:39.000 Some are dangerous to criminals.

01:41:40.000 Some are dangerous to their wives and kids.

01:41:42.000 That's just the way it is to be an empire with a bunch of trained killers coming back and living amongst us.

01:41:48.000 You don't take my guns because a bunch of trained killers may go crazy at any minute.

01:41:55.000 And you sure don't blame the whole military because a small percentage of them are going to go cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and fly over the cuckoo nest.

01:42:04.000 That's why I've got my guns. 0.98

01:42:06.000 Some crazy vet goes running around trying to shoot a bunch of people. 0.99

01:42:09.000 I'm going to go out and deal with them. 0.98

01:42:12.000 It's not because I'm macho or tough, folks, it's what you're supposed to do! 0.98

01:42:15.000 I don't know how they turned this country into a bunch of cowards, and how it's amazing that this female cop went and shot this reported lunatic four times, didn't kill him, they said he killed him for six hours, and they're all marveling that a cop would just run in and shoot somebody. 0.89

01:42:30.000 What do you think cops did 20, 30 years ago? 0.99

01:42:32.000 They didn't need all the gear and all the crap? 0.99

01:42:37.000 But a woman is now tougher than the average cop. 1.00

01:42:40.000 And I just don't even know what to say about it anymore.

01:42:43.000 Again, it makes my head spin that at every other major shooting, two, three, four hours, they make the cops wait while the shooter runs around killing everybody.

01:42:53.000 I guess the feds give that order so the kill rate's higher.

01:42:57.000 Maybe the cops aren't cowards.

01:42:58.000 I don't know.

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01:44:05.000 This is our last chance to not relive history.

01:44:08.000 As we're finishing off this agenda, They'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home. 0.70

01:44:13.000 We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.

01:44:19.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.

01:44:24.000 For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.

01:44:34.000 Tim Geithner?

01:44:35.000 Bernanke? 0.90

01:44:36.000 They're arsonists!

01:44:37.000 They're asking for more matches!

01:44:38.000 And the Congress is saying, who do we make the check out to?

01:44:41.000 Today seems like nobody does care.

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01:45:59.000 All right, let's jam in a few final calls here.

01:46:16.000 I'll be back live Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

01:46:20.000 Central Standard Time Live.

01:46:26.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Mark in Texas.

01:46:30.000 Mark, you're on the air.

01:46:31.000 Hi Alex, longtime listener here.

01:46:33.000 I wanted to pass on my observations at the official Countdown to Judgment Day Tea Party Tour Rally.

01:46:39.000 After attending the Abilene Rally this morning and hearing just a few of their host speakers, it appears that the Tea Party movement's been hijacked.

01:46:45.000 Big money Republican agents who are pushing the pro-military, pro-war agenda of the old Bush neocon regime.

01:46:51.000 They have speakers promoting U.S.

01:46:53.000 aggression against radical Islam terror, and the main guy running the Tea Party Tour is pushing his book which supports the neocon fallacy of a total Islamic attack on 9-11. 0.89

01:47:01.000 The majority of this Abilene crowd does not know your work, and if you mention 9-11 was an in-type job, they spit in your face, and they spit in my face today, and consider you an Abominoid.

01:47:11.000 I made the mistake of passing out terror storm flyers about false flag terror, but these area veterans and local Dias Air Force Base folks can't accept that the U.S.

01:47:18.000 military has been hijacked.

01:47:19.000 The Tea Party tour will not have speakers who expose the New World Order and that the elite insiders are behind 9-11.

01:47:27.000 They demonized Cindy Sheehan and the Abilene crowd booed her when her name was mentioned. 1.00

01:47:32.000 They never speak of the phrase New World Order.

01:47:34.000 This Tea Party caravan is headed to Austin At five o'clock, where you're at today, you need to be there and push 9-11 truth. 0.65

01:47:42.000 Absolutely.

01:47:43.000 I mean, what's happened is, this is what Glenn Beck's for.

01:47:47.000 He guides and takes the Ron Paul revolution, and he's taken it over.

01:47:52.000 Only by Ron Paul coming out public, not attacking Beck and others, but stating the true principles, can we take control of it back.

01:48:00.000 But, I mean, this is why the leader in power, they know how to control the left.

01:48:04.000 Obama was meant to take control of that.

01:48:07.000 Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, create a fake clone on the right, two wings on the same bird, and again, the mainline Tea Party people, there is no new world order, the carbon tax isn't global government, Glenn Beck a few weeks ago attacked the British Lord that came out and said global government.

01:48:26.000 I mean, come on, Glenn!

01:48:27.000 So see, he does that at key points, he admits things that are true, and then goes back on them.

01:48:34.000 That's why I like Lou Dobbs a lot better.

01:48:35.000 I mean, he doesn't go as far as Beck on some issues, but he's consistent and isn't involved in backstabbing that I've seen.

01:48:42.000 And that's why his house is getting shot up.

01:48:44.000 But I appreciate your call.

01:48:46.000 Look, it's not going to matter if they take over the Tea Parties. 1.00

01:48:49.000 People are finding out about world government.

01:48:51.000 The economy is collapsing.

01:48:53.000 We're there educating people about the real threat.

01:48:56.000 The best film to give a neoconoid, who are the real Obama supporters, the Bush people just held over into Obama. 0.75

01:49:04.000 They should love Obama.

01:49:05.000 He's keeping all the neocons in the Defense Department.

01:49:08.000 Give them Fall of the Republic.

01:49:09.000 This shatters the left-right paradigm.

01:49:11.000 They've never been exposed to this.

01:49:14.000 They're like They're like blind people who've never seen, trying to describe something to them. 0.99

01:49:20.000 They're trying to describe the way the seashore looks.

01:49:23.000 They've never seen.

01:49:24.000 They can't interface.

01:49:26.000 They can't understand.

01:49:28.000 They can't begin to even realize what we're trying to say to them.

01:49:32.000 If you just argue with them, they think, you're a liberal!

01:49:34.000 You're a commie!

01:49:35.000 Don't give me Mao Zedong!

01:49:36.000 You know, they don't want to hear Bush triple the size of government.

01:49:40.000 They want to believe the lie.

01:49:43.000 But if you say, hey, this film exposes Obama, which it does, but it also exposes Bush and the whole agenda, watch this.

01:49:50.000 That's why Ted's going to run some ads on national radio for the neocons, because we need to deprogram these people and the left.

01:49:56.000 This film is meant to deprogram people in the controlled left-right paradigm who think that inside the box, you know, inside this little contained area, that's the whole world.

01:50:07.000 We're going to go, no, look for yourself.

01:50:10.000 It's much bigger.

01:50:12.000 It's much more sophisticated.

01:50:14.000 And a lot of them won't wake up now, but they'll wake up later, because this is going to get really bad.

01:50:20.000 So again, folks, get Follow the Republic at InfoWars.com or call toll free 888-253-3139.

01:50:26.000 Or watch it in super high quality at PrisonPlanet.tv.

01:50:30.000 Don't forget 20MinutesWithThePresident.com.

01:50:33.000 Link up on InfoWars.com.

01:50:34.000 Get involved in the contest.

01:50:36.000 Incredible job, crew, this week.

01:50:38.000 A+.

Alex Jones Show - November 06, 2009

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