Alex Jones Show - 20091113_Fri_Alex

00:00:04.000 Big Brother, Mainstream Media, Government Cover-Ups.

00:00:09.000 You want answers?

00:00:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:22.000 Well, we're into our number two simulcasting the syndicated radio transmission at PrisonPlanet.tv and Living Color.

00:00:29.000 Joining us from Minnesota, he's about to travel down to Mexico to do some surfing, is former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura, of course a star of films like The Running Man, Predator, and many other films.

00:00:45.000 He's hosted a MSNBC national television show.

00:00:49.000 He's hosted NFL football.

00:00:52.000 There's not much this guy hadn't done.

00:00:54.000 And now he's got a huge show.

00:00:56.000 They're saying it's going to be their big push in the winter.

00:00:58.000 Their big number one promoted show.

00:01:00.000 And I'm seeing that now in the media.

00:01:02.000 That's conspiracy theory created by Jesse Ventura.

00:01:06.000 I'm a consultant on it.

00:01:07.000 I'm in some of the episodes.

00:01:08.000 I'm very honored to be involved in it.

00:01:10.000 And to give you the inside scoop, he starts the media blitz tomorrow.

00:01:14.000 To give you the inside scoop, is Jesse Ventura with us?

00:01:17.000 For the next hour, we may twist his arm a little bit in the next hour to take some phone calls, but we'll see.

00:01:22.000 Governor, it is good to have you here with us.

00:01:24.000 Hi Alex, great to be here again.

00:01:28.000 I guess I should call you Huggy Bear.

00:01:33.000 And I'll explain that for a moment.

00:01:35.000 No, Alex has been good enough.

00:01:38.000 He appears in a couple of the episodes of Conspiracy Theory that we did.

00:01:42.000 And so, because he's the only really reoccurring character we've ever had in the first initial dive, we went back to the old Starsky and Hutch show.

00:01:52.000 And you all remember Huggy Bear, don't you?

00:01:54.000 The guy that always brought the information to Starsky and Hutch?

00:01:58.000 Yes.

00:01:58.000 Well, that's you now, Alex.

00:02:00.000 So you're our Huggy Bear.

00:02:03.000 Well, I'm honored to be your huggy bear.

00:02:06.000 You've not been able to talk about the show till now.

00:02:09.000 They've unleashed you.

00:02:10.000 You barely talked about it on Larry King Live last week, but now you've been given the green light to give people a foretaste or an idea of what's going to be in the seven episodes.

00:02:24.000 And so we're all ears, Governor.

00:02:26.000 I mean, tell us about some of the episodes.

00:02:27.000 Well, first of all, when I went on Larry, it was because, you know, it was election night and Larry truly wanted my opinion on the latest off-year elections, which I'll do this right now.

00:02:40.000 To me, why do they even have off-year elections?

00:02:43.000 It's hard enough to get people out there to vote.

00:02:46.000 Have them all on here.

00:02:48.000 They do that so that they get a small voter turnout because it's easier to control small numbers.

00:02:54.000 That's why I was on Larry was mainly for the election stuff, not so much a promotion of the show, because I'll be going back on Larry later on the end of the month, right when it gets to the debut date, which of course is December the 2nd on the True Channel.

00:03:14.000 I don't want to stop you.

00:03:15.000 And so I'll be going back on Larry then.

00:03:18.000 And at that point in time, it'll be a promo for the show.

00:03:21.000 So I just did Larry where they promoted a little bit, but it was mostly on voting.

00:03:26.000 Or on the vote election.

00:03:28.000 Governor, hold on.

00:03:29.000 We're about to go to break, and I don't want to stop you.

00:03:31.000 I want you to have free flow and go over as much as you can tell us about the episodes.

00:03:35.000 Because I've consulted some, but I still only have a few pieces of the overall puzzle.

00:03:39.000 And I know that you've stated that you believe this is fair.

00:03:42.000 And from our perspective, probably the first television show ever that's actually from people who questions perspective.

00:03:49.000 That doesn't mean that you or I or anybody buys all of what's being said out there.

00:03:53.000 So I want to talk about that when we come back in just a minute.

00:03:56.000 But in the one minute we've got, what is your take on Republicans sweeping all over the country and Obama's plunging approval rating?

00:04:04.000 Well, I don't think it's so much Republicans sweeping.

00:04:08.000 As you know, they lost that congressional race up in that heavily Republican district in New York that hadn't gone Democrat.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, but the Democrats threw that. 0.96

00:04:17.000 They threw that. 0.84

00:04:18.000 I mean, they had their... Well, maybe so.

00:04:20.000 Well, to me, the elections are truly irrelevant.

00:04:23.000 And as far as Obama's ratings falling, Um, that's a natural occurrence.

00:04:29.000 You know, I don't want to throw water on the fire or anything for those people, you know, for whatever reason, but I at one time had 72% approval ratings.

00:04:38.000 Well, certainly by the time you get out of office, mine actually dipped below 50 later.

00:04:44.000 No, no, you're right!

00:04:46.000 When you have to make hard decisions, When you make those hard decisions, some people aren't going to like it, and a lot of people are one issue people.

00:04:56.000 Jesse, we got a break.

00:04:58.000 We got a break.

00:04:58.000 Stay right there.

00:05:00.000 Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.

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00:08:05.000 Big Brother.

00:08:06.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:10.000 You want answers?

00:08:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:22.000 Well, surf's up, ladies and gentlemen, and here comes Jesse Ventura into the Info Warb.

00:08:29.000 Coming up in early December, the launch of his long-awaited Television show, Conspiracy Theory on True TV.

00:08:37.000 Here to tell us dates and times and inside details first on this radio show.

00:08:42.000 When Jesse called me back Friday evening and said, okay, I'll do your show first, I was extremely honored.

00:08:47.000 And so Governor, I really do appreciate you coming here first to talk about it.

00:08:52.000 I know the media blitz starts Later today and tomorrow.

00:08:56.000 But we were finishing up when you got cut off by that break.

00:08:59.000 You were talking about, you're not surprised Obama's approval ratings dropped.

00:09:02.000 Yours went from the mid-70s to the high 40s.

00:09:07.000 But that was four years later.

00:09:10.000 Yeah, that's true, Alex, but it's gonna happen, you know.

00:09:13.000 The honeymoon wears off, the hard decisions have to be made.

00:09:17.000 People many times disagree with those tough decisions and your approval rating starts to fall.

00:09:23.000 The positive for me, the way I always looked at it, was like this.

00:09:27.000 I was in a three-way race, not a two-way race.

00:09:31.000 I won with only 37%.

00:09:32.000 So even if my approval say fell all the way to 45, that was still 8 points higher than what I won with.

00:09:40.000 with sure and george w bush's went from 92 uh to 39 but again that took seven he had to have been lower than 39 yeah some approval ratings had him I mean, there's so many polls.

00:09:55.000 Well, I would guess he would sell with the hardcore Republicans.

00:09:59.000 In the end, I can't see him even getting over 30% approval rate.

00:10:04.000 That's just a political gift from his party.

00:10:09.000 Exactly.

00:10:09.000 I know that the overall Congress, both parties, had an 11% when he left office, and it's now going back down that direction again.

00:10:16.000 My point is, Obama's approval rating has broken records, according to the major pollsters, for falling the fastest in the first year of a new administration.

00:10:25.000 And now he's losing his base.

00:10:28.000 CBS News last night reported he is putting in 40,000 more troops in Afghanistan.

00:10:34.000 And Jesse, I know you've researched this and are well-read on this subject.

00:10:37.000 Let's talk about this right now and then get into the show.

00:10:40.000 There's 12 times the opium, 12 times coming out of Afghanistan, of what was coming out 8 years ago, and even the BBC admits our troops are guarding the opium so, quote, the Taliban doesn't get it.

00:10:53.000 No, that's so the banks can launder $500 billion in smack every year. 0.75

00:10:57.000 Governor Ventura, your take on this war?

00:10:59.000 Well, to me, welcome in my lifetime now.

00:11:03.000 How wonderful it is.

00:11:05.000 Welcome to another Vietnam. 1.00

00:11:09.000 It's that simple.

00:11:10.000 It's going to accomplish nothing.

00:11:12.000 Guys are going to die over there on a constant basis as they have in Iraq. 1.00

00:11:18.000 And, you know, welcome to another Vietnam. 0.99

00:11:21.000 When this is all over and done with, I do it right now, Alex.

00:11:26.000 I sit back and go, how is Jesse Ventura benefiting from these two wars?

00:11:34.000 And I can't think of a thing.

00:11:36.000 And yet, we've got people out there protesting whether people should be able to go see a doctor or not.

00:11:42.000 If we wouldn't have fought these two wars, we'd have plenty of money for healthcare, wouldn't we?

00:11:52.000 And my point is, wars are the most destructive thing mankind can do.

00:12:00.000 And when he engages in them, it has no benefit.

00:12:04.000 It's like Herman Goering said, the best thing a farmer can get out of a war is to be able to come back on the same farm he left before the war started.

00:12:14.000 That's the best outcome.

00:12:16.000 The very best.

00:12:17.000 There will be nothing more than that.

00:12:19.000 And when is this country going to wake up?

00:12:24.000 You know?

00:12:25.000 I sit back and I'm appalled.

00:12:28.000 I can't say I'm speechless because I'm bitching about it right now.

00:12:32.000 But I cannot believe that people aren't protesting these wars and now we're sending more troops in to accomplish what? 0.99

00:12:41.000 The Russians couldn't win there and we're so stupid and our ego is so powerful that we think we can? 0.96

00:12:51.000 They can't win the state of objective to bring democracy and freedom to Afghanistan, but if the objective is to destabilize the region and have bases to menace Iran and China, and if the state of objective, you know, the real objective is to launder drug proceeds, then it's mission accomplished. 0.99

00:13:09.000 They just need to sit there.

00:13:10.000 Well, if that's indeed what it is, Alex, then you will be, you're absolutely correct.

00:13:15.000 It's mission accomplished.

00:13:16.000 If that's what they're accomplishing out of this, I can't prove that that's what they are or aren't doing at this time, but certainly from a base perspective of Jesse Ventura, American citizen, I don't understand how I benefit by these words one bit or any of the rest of us benefit by them one bit.

00:13:35.000 Okay, here's an example, then we'll get into the TV show.

00:13:37.000 I know you've been busy with, you know, producing the television show and flying all over the country, and we'll talk about that.

00:13:37.000 Sure.

00:13:43.000 You were really working hard on this.

00:13:44.000 A lot of work, a lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of money.

00:13:47.000 Harder than I wanted.

00:13:51.000 But at the same time, it came out two weeks ago, New York Times, that Mohammed Karzai's brother is the head opium kingpin in Afghanistan.

00:14:00.000 And that he is a CIA operative on CIA payroll, and that basically so is Mohammed Karzai, and that our troops are guarding his poppy fields.

00:14:10.000 And I was driving down the road a few months ago and heard BBC report the same thing before the New York Times did, and I already knew that!

00:14:18.000 But to hear them report that, oh, we guard the opium because if we don't guard it, another Taliban group will get it and then they'll get too much power.

00:14:26.000 That's what they're telling the troops.

00:14:27.000 We guard the opium to win the war.

00:14:29.000 You know the CIA got caught with opium in In Southeast Asia and Vietnam.

00:14:35.000 We're now in Colombia putting bases in.

00:14:37.000 Anywhere there's drugs, our troops are there to eradicate the other guy's drugs and protect the drug kingpins that launder their money through US and European banks.

00:14:49.000 And add to that the fact that that's how the CIA gets their revenue so that they can then do operations that they can keep away from Congress.

00:15:00.000 Because if they have to do operations that require them to get money from our tax money, then they have to be forward enough to let Congress know what they're doing with the money.

00:15:11.000 But if they're getting money via illegal drugs, and making all sorts of money out of that end of the world, they then don't have to declare any of that to Congress, and that's when they can do these dirty jobs that the American public will never know about.

00:15:28.000 Governor Jesse Ventura, that is the nail on the head.

00:15:31.000 Absolutely.

00:15:32.000 I hadn't even thought to make that point.

00:15:34.000 All those tens of billions in unaccountable money that these private... They're trying to run their operations so that they don't have to be accountable to the Congress.

00:15:44.000 In fact, in 96, that came out on C-SPAN with the CIA Inspector General testifying that the CIA brought in the crack cocaine epidemic.

00:15:44.000 Absolutely.

00:15:58.000 Well, that I don't know.

00:16:00.000 If you know about that, Alex, I don't.

00:16:02.000 I can only speak to what I know about.

00:16:06.000 And, you know, you're better well read on it than I am.

00:16:10.000 Well no, I mean, you know as much or more than I do.

00:16:12.000 You just brought up the key point that they're funding their black operations with this.

00:16:16.000 Oh yeah, no, I've felt that and known that for a long, long time.

00:16:20.000 That that's the simple way to do it.

00:16:22.000 That's how you keep it out of the public eye.

00:16:25.000 That's how you can get money to do political assassinations like in the old days when they used to attempt to kill Castro.

00:16:32.000 Okay, I'm going to shut up.

00:16:33.000 If they do that, if they get money from Congress, then they have to submit reports and it has to be far more above board.

00:16:41.000 But if they get the money from somewhere else, which can be dirty drug money, well then they can spend it on any operations they want to do and they don't have to be accountable to the American public or the Congress for it.

00:16:54.000 Absolutely.

00:16:54.000 Governor, we've got you here to talk about the TV show, so I'm going to stop getting off on other issues.

00:16:58.000 I apologize, but it's always interesting to hear your truthful perspective, because you're absolutely right on those issues.

00:17:05.000 Where to start with the TV show?

00:17:08.000 I mean, I've seen the one promo clip where you went out to harp, and they threatened to arrest you, and then suddenly the equipment went dead.

00:17:16.000 Let's go through the seven episodes and give people an idea of what's coming up.

00:17:19.000 Well, hopefully I can remember them all.

00:17:22.000 I'll tell you, it was so hectic shooting them that sometimes I had to jump from one episode to another episode.

00:17:31.000 And that plays games with your mind because you're focused in on one thing and then, you know, the next half a day you might be doing something for a completely different episode.

00:17:41.000 Let me ask this.

00:17:43.000 What's your favorite episode?

00:17:45.000 I would say my favorite one would be 9-11.

00:17:49.000 Because I think 9-11 was the original one that I took to the two TV people to sell them on the show.

00:17:56.000 And so it was personal to me because of my investigation of it so far.

00:18:01.000 So I would have to say that that one is the most satisfying, although they all are, pretty much.

00:18:07.000 And I'll put it to you this way.

00:18:09.000 The way that I'm going to explain it is quite simple, Alex.

00:18:12.000 People can choose to believe the conspiracies or not, all seven of these, and they're all fairly modern day.

00:18:19.000 The one thing True Channel wanted to do, we don't go back to Kennedy, we don't go back, they wanted to keep this first series within the last decade, pretty much.

00:18:29.000 And you can choose to believe them or you can choose not to believe them, but I'll guarantee you this, if you watch this show, you're going to get scared.

00:18:39.000 Even if they're not true, there is still the element that they may be, they might be, and they could be.

00:18:48.000 And maybe they are.

00:18:50.000 And that should be enough to wake people up and scare them.

00:18:53.000 This is the first show that I've ever done in my career where I got scared.

00:18:58.000 And I don't get scared easy.

00:19:01.000 I remember a few weeks ago, I ran into you and we were checking in at the hotel, and you walked up and you were shaking your head and you said, You were there with your son Tyrell, who's working on the show as well, doing a great job.

00:19:12.000 You walked up and you said, Alex, when I go to bed at night, my head's spinning with all this information.

00:19:17.000 This stuff is scary.

00:19:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:20.000 No, we went into some places that, you know, you think is only fantasy land, but it could very well be reality land.

00:19:29.000 And it's stuff that people don't even think about, don't deal with in their daily lives.

00:19:34.000 You know, that's one of the main things is people People out there have to earn a living, they have to make a living for their families, so they haven't got time to go delving into the underhanded stuff that government might be doing.

00:19:46.000 It's interesting, Alex, that we started the show with the concept that we were going to show both sides of the conspiracy, and then allow the viewer to make a choice at the end of which one he or she would choose to believe.

00:19:57.000 Hold it there! 0.97

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00:24:18.000 All right, going back to Governor Jesse Ventura.

00:24:20.000 This is a short segment, long segment coming up.

00:24:23.000 He'll be with us a little bit into the next hour.

00:24:25.000 We're going to open the phones up specifically only for Governor Jesse Ventura at 1-800-259-9231.

00:24:34.000 Quick question or comment for the governor coming up.

00:24:37.000 Okay, you got cut off again by the satellite.

00:24:39.000 Maybe it's going to break.

00:24:40.000 Start over, start over governor with the point that you were making about the TV show.

00:24:46.000 Initially, Alex, we started off to do the show with the concept that both sides of the conspiracy would be told, if there were two sides.

00:24:54.000 Many times there may be multiple sides.

00:24:58.000 But the two major sides, and then we'd let the viewer decide.

00:25:01.000 Well, then the show had to go through a metamorphosis, if you will, or an evolution, whatever you want to call it, because when one side does not cooperate one bit, it is pretty hard to tell their story.

00:25:13.000 And that was the case of the United States government.

00:25:16.000 I did an interview the other day, a print interview, and the person asked me, and I said, well, you know, the government hasn't cooperated at all.

00:25:25.000 And they said, this includes when Obama's taken over.

00:25:28.000 I said, there's been no difference.

00:25:30.000 I said it hasn't made one bit of difference because we started the show, George Bush was still the president, and the show's been in the works, and I've been working on it for a year now, basically, or better.

00:25:42.000 And the government cooperated nothing.

00:25:45.000 Zero.

00:25:46.000 Zilch.

00:25:47.000 We could not even get a spokesperson out for the government.

00:25:50.000 Well, we do get a few former government people who are now no longer working for the government, who had courage enough to come out and talk to us and offer their opinions.

00:26:00.000 But no one under the government would cooperate with the show at all.

00:26:04.000 So then the show became simply more of the other side of the conspiracy being told.

00:26:10.000 And now the viewer gets to see an alternative to what the government has pumped out in many occasions on the different conspiracies that they're involved with.

00:26:19.000 And by the way, we've got Governor Jesse Ventura with us talking about the new TV show that's coming up in December and January called Conspiracy Theory on TruTV.

00:26:28.000 Again, Jesse Ventura is our guest.

00:26:30.000 How much can you tell us about the 9-11 episode?

00:26:33.000 Because I know that more and more as you went out and tried to talk to them, no one would.

00:26:38.000 And Jesse Ventura, Navy SEAL, Governor, you know fighter uh is a lot more intimidating and a lot more effective than when michael moore and i'm not against michael moore kind of ninnies around uh i mean this is some dynamic confrontations uh in many ways michael moore probably got more cooperation than i got well let folks in a little bit none i I got none.

00:27:05.000 When it came to 9-11, no one from the government would talk to the show.

00:27:10.000 No one from the 9-11 Commission would talk.

00:27:14.000 No one representing any type of government agency would talk.

00:27:18.000 You know, I don't want to wreck the show by saying what we did and where we did it and do all that because I want people to watch the show.

00:27:25.000 The show came about like this.

00:27:29.000 A victim came to me.

00:27:31.000 And a victim pleaded with me, a victim who lost her daughter and her potential grandchild.

00:27:39.000 Her daughter was pregnant and she died the day, the infamous day of 9-11.

00:27:45.000 And her mom, you know, came to me feeling that I was the person with this show who could bring to light the fact that we need a real investigation of 9-11.

00:27:57.000 It's a natural progression.

00:28:00.000 Then when it's brought to me, the next person I want to talk to is someone who is there, someone who actually went through 9-11, which we were able to do also at the show.

00:28:12.000 And then from there, the progression goes to someone who was there during the cleanup You know, the almost 300 days that it took to clean up the mess and what went on there.

00:28:22.000 Did an investigation occur there?

00:28:24.000 We have the person who identified and saw the black boxes, which, of course, the government tells us were not found.

00:28:32.000 Unbelievable.

00:28:33.000 Again, I don't want to give away too much.

00:28:36.000 Well, I want people to watch.

00:28:37.000 That's why I'm just going to talk.

00:28:39.000 I'm not going to give specifics of the show, Alex, because I want everyone to enjoy the show, and I won't narrate it before it goes on the air.

00:28:48.000 No, no, no, that's... I mean, you're giving us a lot here, and I know a lot of the inside baseball, and obviously I'm sworn to secrecy.

00:28:55.000 I'm just telling folks, I'm surprised you're able to get this on air, Jesse, because... Well, Alex, it ain't on yet.

00:29:05.000 I made a gentleman's bet at the start of this show that it would never see air.

00:29:11.000 I felt we would complete them all, but I felt strongly that at some point in time someone wouldn't allow it.

00:29:18.000 And so far it's full steam ahead.

00:29:21.000 Now, we do have to wait until December 2nd because that's the airing again of the first show, which is, you know, that's a couple weeks away yet, three weeks away.

00:29:31.000 In fact, I remember in October, You were in my car, we were driving around in the hill country, and you said, Alex, we're gonna find out if this airs, because I'm gonna do this from my perspective and be fair, we're gonna see what happens.

00:29:45.000 And you've put incredible work into it, and now you've just upped the bar again, saying we'll see if it's gonna air.

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00:32:58.000 Well, former Minnesota governor, former MSNBC host, former Minnesota governor, former MSNBC host, former top wrestler, Hollywood former MSNBC host, former top wrestler, Hollywood movie star, author, best-selling author, multiple times over, and surfer, Jesse

00:33:28.000 The surf is up.

00:33:29.000 Okay, let's go through this then.

00:33:29.000 He is here.

00:33:31.000 Wait a minute, Alex.

00:33:32.000 How's the surf since that storm has hit Alabama down there?

00:33:37.000 You know what?

00:33:38.000 I hear that there is a huge surf down at the Gulf right now, and every time I go down there, there's surfers everywhere.

00:33:44.000 Well, I should be down there right now, doggone it.

00:33:46.000 Why don't you just jump on an airplane, fly... Listen, you can fly to Corpus Christi in two hours from Minnesota, and three and a half, four hours from now, you could be on the beach in 12-foot swells.

00:33:59.000 Well, I'll tell you, that's very tempting, but unfortunately, I've got too much publicity to do.

00:34:05.000 Unfortunately, you're here on air with us, but we're all happy, Governor.

00:34:08.000 Well, it'd be tomorrow anyway, and so I got publicity all day tomorrow.

00:34:12.000 Today, I couldn't get there in time, so it'd have to be tomorrow, but oh well, we'll pass on it this time.

00:34:17.000 I'm certain there'll be more storms, especially after learning about HAARP.

00:34:21.000 Absolutely.

00:34:22.000 You know, I had the director of Harp on one time, and he admitted, oh, we turned the atmosphere on fire with it at night.

00:34:29.000 He starts laughing, and then somebody on the line cut the line off, and my producer saw this, and during the break, an Air Force officer came on and said, you can't talk about that anymore.

00:34:39.000 So the military was bossing the Well, what's interesting, and of course for those that don't know what HAARP is, HAARP is way up in Alaska, and that's one of the shows we go up to visit and photograph it.

00:34:55.000 And it's a group of about 180 radio antennas that all shoot 50,000 watts of energy up into the biosphere.

00:35:03.000 I should say of low frequency sounds up into the biosphere, which does cause a heating.

00:35:10.000 Now Alex, let me ask you this.

00:35:14.000 Could that possibly contribute to global warming?

00:35:18.000 In fact, the scientists we've interviewed... This could be much more contributor of global warming than us driving our cars around.

00:35:18.000 Absolutely.

00:35:27.000 Well, as you know, Secretary of Defense Cohen in 97 admitted to the Army Times they did have weather weapons then.

00:35:33.000 And I've interviewed the former father of weather weapons, Ben Livingston.

00:35:37.000 And clearly, I believe this is a false flag attack.

00:35:41.000 We have had a lot of strange weather, and that naturally occurs, but there's been a lot of... That's going to be, that's the opening show, Alex.

00:35:48.000 The opening show, December 2nd, is on HAARP, and I think people are going to find it a very interesting show.

00:35:54.000 I went all the way up to Alaska, and went to this location, and we jumped into a helicopter, and bear this in mind, this thing could knock airplanes out of the air.

00:36:08.000 And, uh, it's a very interesting thing going on up there.

00:36:14.000 It's the government, it falls under, let me put it this way, it falls under the military, the Air Force.

00:36:21.000 And yet it is given the distinction of being an unclassified research center, yet I was not allowed in.

00:36:28.000 Now, bear in mind, I used to have a top-secret security clearance with the United States government.

00:36:35.000 During my six years as a member of Underwater Demolition Team 12 and Seal Team 1, I was also a mayor and a governor, and yet I was not allowed to go into this supposed unclassified research center.

00:36:50.000 If it's unclassified, anybody should be able to go in there.

00:36:56.000 Well, that's a good point.

00:36:57.000 Jesse, on this specific subject, we can get into more detail because this has been released to the media.

00:37:04.000 I want to play this clip and then ask you about it.

00:37:06.000 This is a one-minute clip of Governor Jesse Ventura being stopped at the gates.

00:37:11.000 He's about to just, I guess, bull his way on in there.

00:37:14.000 And suddenly, The equipment goes dead.

00:37:18.000 And I talked to the crew.

00:37:20.000 This really happened.

00:37:22.000 So they were using some type of electronic warfare jamming system.

00:37:27.000 Here it is, ladies and gentlemen.

00:37:28.000 We really need to go through the Air Force.

00:37:30.000 Well, we did.

00:37:31.000 We got stonewalled. 0.59

00:37:32.000 And this is strictly a research facility.

00:37:35.000 Clearly, there's something going on here that they don't want people to know about.

00:37:40.000 There's a lot of cool science that we do with this facility.

00:37:42.000 Come on, man.

00:37:43.000 I'm a Navy SEAL.

00:37:44.000 The military don't do things unless it has a military purpose, and a military purpose is destruction and waging war.

00:37:52.000 It's a stalemate.

00:37:53.000 Or is it?

00:37:55.000 Back up a little bit from the gate so when people come through, they don't feel intimidated.

00:37:59.000 When I get denied something, I do the opposite of getting intimidated.

00:38:03.000 I get angry.

00:38:04.000 Jesse is about to walk right on through, when suddenly... There you go, guys.

00:38:09.000 I got a problem.

00:38:10.000 They're off the interference.

00:38:12.000 The camera equipment begins to go haywire.

00:38:18.000 Something is interfering with the audio and video.

00:38:22.000 This is more than unclassified. 0.99

00:38:24.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

00:38:28.000 Alright, now that aired on CNN. 1.00

00:38:30.000 The potty language was cut out.

00:38:33.000 But I don't blame the governor under that bizarre stress.

00:38:36.000 So, tell us what you can about the HAARP episode, because this is amazing.

00:38:41.000 Well, you know, we were denied access, as I said, and you know, even though the security clearances I've had in my life and holding the position of governor, I guess, Alex, the only way I guess I can get in there is to run and get re-elected to something again.

00:38:57.000 You know, then maybe I would be high enough in the government that they would let me in and see what they're doing there.

00:39:01.000 But, that aside, uh, and then we did have some problem now.

00:39:07.000 It made it seem, I don't know what caused our cameras to go bad.

00:39:11.000 I do, I am not going to specifically sit here and say that they jammed and that they did something to them.

00:39:17.000 I will simply state that our audio and our visual did have some problems while we were outside the gate.

00:39:25.000 Who or what was responsible, we never were sure or positively found out. - But to be specific, and correct me if I'm wrong, 'cause I was just talking to some of the crew while we were shooting separately back in Los Angeles, they said that multiple cameras and audio and on the digital recordings, it was even distorting.

00:39:45.000 I mean, this wasn't just one rig to have Separate malfunctions?

00:39:51.000 The same malfunctions?

00:39:52.000 You're talking about one in a billion?

00:39:55.000 I mean, this is bizarre.

00:39:55.000 One in a trillion?

00:39:57.000 I don't know.

00:39:58.000 I don't know.

00:39:59.000 But all I can say is that we did run into complications, and what caused them or why, we were never able to ascertain.

00:40:07.000 But you know, and then, when we were, and then later on, all the equipment later worked fine, and we never had any more problem with it the rest of the shoot.

00:40:17.000 Well, I want to say, Clearly on the record that From the scientists we've interviewed, HAARP is designed to be a weapon.

00:40:25.000 It can heat the atmosphere.

00:40:27.000 It can direct those huge rivers of vapor, of condensation, of water, as weapons.

00:40:35.000 And the Chinese brag, the Russians brag, you can hire their government-funded companies to control the weather for you. 0.73

00:40:42.000 Well, let's remember something, too, Alex.

00:40:45.000 There were treaties signed back in the 1970s that governments would not use weather or nature for war.

00:40:53.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 And we were one of the people that signed these treaties.

00:40:58.000 And I think that's an important issue right here.

00:41:01.000 If we sign treaties that we won't use things, won't use nature to permit war, and then we might very well be violating the very treaties we've signed.

00:41:13.000 Well that's a great point and you made the point to me privately that, well Alex, why are we signing treaties for weather weapons if they don't exist?

00:41:22.000 That's true also.

00:41:25.000 So, you know, and I think people are also going to enjoy, there's another part of Harp that we haven't mentioned today that will be the most terrifying of anything we've talked about, and I'm going to leave that up in the air, because Harp is going to be, to my knowledge, the first episode December 2nd, again, I'll shamelessly promote it 10 o'clock Eastern, 9 o'clock Central on the True Channel.

00:41:49.000 HAARP will be the first episode, to my knowledge.

00:41:52.000 If they change it, then I don't know about it.

00:41:54.000 And there is something in HAARP beyond what we've even talked about, Alex, that is more terrifying than what we have talked about.

00:42:02.000 And I know what it is, but I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

00:42:05.000 This is coming up.

00:42:07.000 You know, finishing up before we...

00:42:08.000 I said, I bet you, no money involved, just a gentleman's bet, that we will complete all of these.

00:42:12.000 You're saying you made the bet with your crew, and I remember you telling me privately in the car, you said, we'll see if it's going to air.

00:42:19.000 I don't think it will, but we'll see.

00:42:21.000 I'm going to try.

00:42:22.000 Well, I did a gentleman's bet with my crew and cast, basically.

00:42:26.000 I said, I bet you no money involved, just a gentleman's bet, that we will complete all of these.

00:42:33.000 We will do all seven episodes, and we'll finish them all.

00:42:39.000 But I said, I still don't believe they will see the light of day that they will be aired.

00:42:44.000 And so far I'm losing the gentleman's bet, but there's still about three weeks to go and I hope that I do lose it.

00:42:51.000 I do not want, and I'm a competitive person, I do not like to lose anything, but I'm hoping that I lose this bet.

00:42:59.000 I don't want to win this bet.

00:43:02.000 Well, I hope that you do lose the bet as well because I've been involved in a few TV productions.

00:43:07.000 Firstly, Alex, if it doesn't see the light of day, this show, that we've completed, then I need to come back on your show and we need to ask why.

00:43:19.000 We need to, at that point, start addressing, I believe, the First Amendment.

00:43:25.000 I agree with you.

00:43:27.000 Well, I don't see how they're going to air something that's more than fair from our perspective.

00:43:32.000 And from what I've seen, and I know you're an honorable person, this is an extremely fair leaning towards our perspective.

00:43:39.000 Because as you said, you couldn't get the other side to come out and debate.

00:43:44.000 There's nothing but stonewalling. 1.00

00:43:48.000 We couldn't even get them to come out and make a comment.

00:43:51.000 The government wouldn't talk to us, plain and simple.

00:43:54.000 They wouldn't talk on HAARP.

00:43:56.000 They wouldn't talk on 9-11.

00:43:58.000 They wouldn't talk on anything that involved the government and their involvement in any type of conspiracy or whatever the conspiracy is.

00:44:08.000 You cannot get anyone from government to participate or talk in any manner.

00:44:12.000 It's that simple.

00:44:14.000 And people need to understand that's the scary thing.

00:44:17.000 Overwhelmingly scary thing about doing this whole show is the fact that government doesn't have to cooperate.

00:44:25.000 They act like we work for them.

00:44:28.000 And I believe they've forgotten something and we've forgotten something.

00:44:32.000 They work for us.

00:44:33.000 That's the way it's supposed to be.

00:44:35.000 But in this country, I believe those roles have switched now.

00:44:39.000 And the government views us working for them, rather than the way it's supposed to be.

00:44:46.000 Well, that's just an incredible point, that things really are backwards now, in this nation, in this country.

00:44:54.000 And if they do allow this to go on television, which it looks like it's going to happen, is that that the system is so arrogant?

00:45:01.000 That they don't even care if we know the truth now?

00:45:03.000 I'm seeing George Soros and Al Gore and Ban Ki-moon of the UN openly say we're going under world government, openly saying it's a new world order, openly stating it's about population reduction.

00:45:16.000 One child policy, LA Times reports there's going to be a tax on owning a dog or cat because they eat meat, which has a carbon footprint.

00:45:24.000 You've got the global warming episode, we're going to talk about that.

00:45:27.000 I mean, they're really coming out in the open.

00:45:29.000 So is it that they don't have total control of the media, and so you're getting through the chink in the armor? 1.00

00:45:35.000 Or is it they're so arrogant now, they don't care if Governor Ventura goes out and tells you how screwed you are? 0.95

00:45:41.000 They might even sit back and, you know, roast some marshmallows and laugh at us. 0.98

00:45:45.000 I don't know, Alex.

00:45:46.000 I'm not in contact with any of these quote-unquote people, so I have no idea.

00:45:52.000 Oh, by the way, Global Warming is the last one that I list.

00:45:57.000 We do a Is Global Warming a Conspiracy?

00:46:00.000 Yeah, we were both here trying to remember all seven episodes, and finally it came to me, so I thought I'd shout it out.

00:46:05.000 Well, you got it right there, because that was the seventh one.

00:46:09.000 Like I said, when I shot these things, they were not in sequence, always.

00:46:14.000 And so it can get pretty confusing.

00:46:16.000 It was a lot like governing, where you go from one meeting, one hour, to a completely different meeting the next hour.

00:46:22.000 No, no, I know it makes your head spin, especially when you're really into the minutia.

00:46:27.000 Let's get into 2012, then we'll get into secret societies, Manchurian Candidate, Big Brother, and global warming.

00:46:33.000 2012, obviously, three days from now, On Friday, the huge movie is coming out where Woody Harrelson kind of plays the conspiracy theory type.

00:46:45.000 I know Harrelson, so we're trying to get him on the show.

00:46:47.000 In fact, that may happen.

00:46:49.000 But what's your whole take on the real 2012 and the serious, in-depth research you did?

00:46:56.000 And then separately in the show, I know you get into Without saying too much, whether it's real or not, the elite think it's real and they are getting ready.

00:47:04.000 I mean, to me, I think, in fact, I wish I was in that episode.

00:47:07.000 I've been told I'm not.

00:47:08.000 To me, that's going to be one of the hottest episodes.

00:47:11.000 Well, it is.

00:47:12.000 And let me just put it this way.

00:47:15.000 And again, I'm not going to go in and make it so people won't watch by telling everything that happens.

00:47:21.000 But it goes far beyond, let me say this, the Mayan calendar.

00:47:27.000 Now, the Mayans were very intelligent people way ahead of their time when it came to understanding the planets and the solar system and the heavens.

00:47:37.000 They truly were, because I've learned this, even with all of our modern technology today, the Mayans are right on.

00:47:45.000 Our technology, for the most part, cannot prove them wrong.

00:47:50.000 Under most things.

00:47:51.000 So here you had a culture that took place many, many, many years ago that was very, very bright when it came to space.

00:48:00.000 And this 2012 show goes beyond the Mayan calendar.

00:48:05.000 It goes to some things that we know are actually real and completely backed up by NASA.

00:48:12.000 And that's where I'll leave it, right there, because I want people intrigued, I want them to watch the show, and the show will be on long before 2012 arrives.

00:48:22.000 Are you, knowing what you now know, doing the deep research, are you concerned about 2012?

00:48:26.000 I'm concerned, yeah, I'm concerned over the things that I have learned, yes, I'm very concerned over them.

00:48:35.000 You know, and later on when the show is all air, Alex, and I don't have to try to intrigue a listening audience anymore, I'll be glad to come back on the show and openly talk about what concerns me after it airs.

00:48:50.000 Absolutely.

00:48:50.000 That'd be a great radio interview.

00:48:52.000 And also talk about how much hit the cutting room floor.

00:48:54.000 You guys have done a ton of work.

00:48:56.000 I mean, they've been working your butt off.

00:48:58.000 Oh, week in, week out.

00:48:59.000 Yeah, I've been here.

00:49:01.000 You know how it works in the country, Alex?

00:49:03.000 When you try to retire and quit, that's when your agent finds your jobs.

00:49:09.000 But when you're looking for the jobs for 20 years, they can't find you anything.

00:49:14.000 No, I've been to LA so many times I can't remember since summer.

00:49:19.000 I've been to Anchorage, Alaska.

00:49:20.000 I've been to San Francisco.

00:49:22.000 I've been to Oklahoma City, Kansas City, New York multiple, multiple times.

00:49:28.000 And I've lost track of a few of the other places that I've been to.

00:49:32.000 But the most unique was the thing going up to Anchorage to learn about harp.

00:49:38.000 Absolutely.

00:49:39.000 And again, I'm hugging you there.

00:49:41.000 Let me interject, Alex, of which I, up until about four months ago, I didn't even know what heart was.

00:49:47.000 Didn't even know what it was.

00:49:51.000 This has been quite a journey for you.

00:49:52.000 I know your son began to really get you into this five, six years ago.

00:49:56.000 And obviously I gave you some films and that helped you along your journey.

00:50:00.000 And then you described it to me at the hotel that now it's like the top of your head's blown off.

00:50:05.000 The whole world's opening up and It's quite a journey, isn't it, Governor?

00:50:09.000 Well, it sure is, and the exciting thing that I'll tell people when people say to me, why do I like to study this?

00:50:15.000 Why do I like to look at it?

00:50:17.000 Because these are things that very well could be real.

00:50:21.000 And when you read a writer like, say, Tom Clancy or Vince Flynn, they're marvelous books, but they're simply figments of their imagination.

00:50:31.000 They're carrying you through on their imaginary trip.

00:50:35.000 I would rather look into and read about real history and hopefully get educated on it so that we're not stupid enough to allow ourselves to repeat it, which over and over I see it happening. 1.00

00:50:49.000 Our stupidity is just unbelievable how we can be duped. 1.00

00:50:53.000 Over and over again. 1.00

00:50:55.000 Absolutely.

00:50:55.000 I mean, really, a conspiracy theorist is someone with an alternative history view.

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00:54:23.000 Big Jesse Ventura is our guest. - Oh, good.

00:54:28.000 Governor, one more time for people tuning in and getting this exclusive first look at the TV show that, believe me, is going to be powerful, folks.

00:54:35.000 Tell them when the seven episodes are going to air, how they tune in, how they watch it.

00:54:41.000 Well, it'll be on the True Network, which used to be Court Television.

00:54:45.000 It's located, if you've got the satellite, I think it's right in between PBS and TNT.

00:54:52.000 It's the station in between if you're on the direct dish satellite or whatever it is.

00:54:58.000 But, you know, check wherever.

00:54:59.000 And anyway, the first show will air Wednesday, December 2nd.

00:55:03.000 And it'll be 10 o'clock Eastern, 9 o'clock Central.

00:55:07.000 And it's a one-hour show.

00:55:09.000 We're doing seven conspiracies.

00:55:11.000 And naturally, I'd like to say this.

00:55:13.000 Can we get completely into the conspiracies and everything about them?

00:55:17.000 Absolutely not.

00:55:18.000 You can never do that in an hour.

00:55:21.000 So we focus on just certain portions of the conspiracy, which I think people will find it, especially your listening audience, Alex, are going to find it very interesting.

00:55:32.000 And so it's going to be airing every Wednesday in December and January, or are they going to skip one on Christmas?

00:55:39.000 I have no idea.

00:55:40.000 I'll be gone surfing at that time, and I'll leave all of you up here to take the repercussions from it.

00:55:49.000 What are you going to do if I come parachuting in when you're out there surfing?

00:55:53.000 Well, and I'll know everything, hit the fan up here, because I know that if you're not doing your daily radio show, then the United States don't exist anymore.

00:56:02.000 Now is my bunker ready next to your bungalow?

00:56:06.000 I don't know.

00:56:07.000 You know, I'll tell you that Bob, my neighbor Fernando, he had to dig a 40 foot well down there and it took him six months, but it would have taken him a year had there been good waves.

00:56:20.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:56:22.000 Okay, we're going to come back and take phone calls, but right now, let's get into the global warming episode.

00:56:27.000 Okay.

00:56:27.000 I mean, just give us a little taste of that.

00:56:29.000 Well, the big thing on global warming to me is this cap-and-trade legislation.

00:56:35.000 It's nothing but bait-and-switch.

00:56:37.000 It's a legislation that's designed to make money, not solve the problem. 0.82

00:56:43.000 And if global warming is indeed a problem, Then why is the solution simply money-making that does nothing to address the actual problem?

00:56:53.000 And that's the key of what we try to expose, and this is the cap-and-trade legislation for what it is.

00:56:59.000 And the fact that there are 30,000 people with PhDs and science degrees that simply are not buying into global warming, and it doesn't seem to be that they get any type of Their opinion is not being aired at all.

00:57:13.000 Well, that's right.

00:57:14.000 It's a very one-sided opinion.

00:57:16.000 Well, yeah, when Al Gore says, all scientists agree it's man-made, and then you find out that actually the majority say it's driven by the sun and by nuclei from space, causing cloud condensation.

00:57:28.000 I mean, I'm not going to give away who you interview in the film, but this is going to be a powerful death blow.

00:57:35.000 One more nail in the coffin against the Greenies that want to tax us. 0.93

00:57:38.000 I mean, it's come out that Al Gore has made over a billion bucks so far off this.

00:57:42.000 I mean, he owns a cap-and-trade company that you've got to buy carbon credits from.

00:57:47.000 I mean, how obvious is this?

00:57:49.000 Well, again, it comes down to the legislature.

00:57:53.000 I'm not a scientist, Alex, so I'm not gonna beat my head against the wall on whether it's real or not.

00:57:58.000 But a good way to look at things is always view something not from what someone says, but from what someone does.

00:58:07.000 And the cap-and-trade legislation is fraudulent because you can have a company that's supposedly polluting.

00:58:14.000 They don't have to change at all.

00:58:16.000 They can simply pay money and buy other people's and trade so that until they get under, and they'll still pollute the same, but then they'll be able to say that they're not.

00:58:27.000 Well, that right away is fraudulent.

00:58:29.000 And if that's fraudulent, then what else is fraudulent?

00:58:33.000 I tell you, that's a key point.

00:58:34.000 Take the weakest part of their argument, break their neck right there.

00:58:37.000 That's why we love you, Governor.

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01:00:23.000 All right, in this five minutes, we're going to get into Secret Society's Manchurian Candidate and Big Brother.

01:00:31.000 The three episodes we haven't given you a little teaser on.

01:00:38.000 It premieres December 2nd, True TV.

01:00:41.000 Tell everybody about it, folks, because I think this is going to be the, not just fairest, but leaning towards our view of any television show ever on mainstream TV.

01:00:48.000 I think this is a bellwether because the establishment's beginning to realize that Well, I guess let's go Manchurian Candidate. 0.61

01:00:55.000 this information so television's losing ratings and the internet's exploding governor Jesse Ventura getting into Manchurian Candidate Secret Society's Big Brother what do you want to talk about first well I guess let's go Manchurian Candidate this one is going to be a very this one is a very terrifying show we all know that MKUltra was real The documents state so.

01:01:22.000 So there's no gray area there that the government was in the business back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s of attempting to control people's minds and attempting to manipulate them and to use them to their advantage both militarily and whatever.

01:01:40.000 Well, all indications are that those programs have been re-ramped up again and they're back on a high level again.

01:01:47.000 And that being said, that's what the Manchurian candidate deals with, of course, and that we've all heard the story.

01:01:54.000 One of the interesting things I'll say is that the guy who shot John Lennon fits it perfectly, Mark David Chapman.

01:02:02.000 Because contrary to popular belief, Chapman was no Beatles fanatic.

01:02:08.000 If you go back in his history, in fact, his favorite artist was Todd Rundgren, who's hardly a Beatle.

01:02:15.000 And when he shot Lennon, he had three ways to escape immediately.

01:02:20.000 Central Park, down into the subways, and then just get lost with everybody.

01:02:25.000 Instead, he stepped back in the shadows and started reading the book, The Catcher in the Rye.

01:02:30.000 Which is a classic mind control.

01:02:33.000 When they tortured them under the drugs in one of the systems, they didn't become obsessed with the trigger word.

01:02:38.000 When McVeigh got pulled over, he said, get the chip out of me, and was foaming at the mouth.

01:02:43.000 And then the most famous mind control scientist ever, Jolion West, was his doctor with him every day until the day he was executed.

01:02:51.000 And I'll tell you this, Governor, studying the Fort Hood shooting, I can't say it was a mind control, but it has every earmark.

01:02:59.000 He's a psychiatrist.

01:03:00.000 The FBI and CIA were- Well, I'll tell you, it's funny you should say that, Alex, because amazingly, when that first happened, scarily, that's the first thing that popped into my head.

01:03:11.000 Unbelievable that you say that, because that's the exact first thing that popped into my head when I first heard about the Fort Hood shootings.

01:03:20.000 And when I started then reading about the whole situation, how the guy never had it in his background.

01:03:27.000 And then now the CIA and FBI are watching him and he has this fake history that suddenly began and then commanders and people said bust him and they wouldn't do it.

01:03:36.000 Same thing with 9-11.

01:03:37.000 Then he's a psychiatrist.

01:03:38.000 He has that whole history.

01:03:40.000 Once you've studied mind control, he just fits.

01:03:44.000 Every piece fits.

01:03:45.000 And I wouldn't say this last week.

01:03:47.000 I mean, I knew that was going on Thursday.

01:03:48.000 But now, more and more of the pieces are coming out.

01:03:52.000 And man, the hair on the back of my neck just stands up.

01:03:55.000 Anyway, enough Manchurian.

01:03:57.000 What are the last two shows?

01:03:58.000 Okay, we've got to go to break.

01:03:59.000 We're going to come back and briefly get into secret societies.

01:04:05.000 Big Brother watching.

01:04:08.000 Big Brother.

01:04:09.000 So we'll talk about that.

01:04:10.000 But, Governor, in the 45 seconds we've got, tell us about your book, Don't Start the Revolution Without Me.

01:04:15.000 What about it?

01:04:18.000 Well, no, just how folks can get it.

01:04:20.000 It's been a best-seller.

01:04:21.000 Oh, no, I don't know.

01:04:22.000 It's still in the bookstores, and I guess you can get it over the internet.

01:04:25.000 I've been so involved in this thing, I haven't even thought about the book for months.

01:04:30.000 Well, I just wanted to plug your book, because it's a good book.

01:04:32.000 Oh, thank you.

01:04:33.000 And it's still out there.

01:04:34.000 I was actually in the Minneapolis airport the other day, and I saw copies there for sale.

01:04:38.000 So, it's a book that's got a lot of my heart and soul in it.

01:04:43.000 I wrote it on my trips to Mexico and all that.

01:04:47.000 And it includes my wife, and it tells you about my years in office, and it'll give you a great insight into how I think.

01:04:53.000 Absolutely.

01:04:54.000 Okay, the two final episodes briefly, and your phone calls for Governor Jesse Ventura, giving us the exclusive.

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01:08:11.000 Governor Jesse Ventura, he's worn a lot of hats, but now he is fighting the new world order.

01:08:28.000 And I don't want to put words in his mouth, but, Governor, I think it's safe to say, I mean, you now know there's a world government, there is an elite.

01:08:34.000 The question is, how evil are they?

01:08:36.000 Are they monolithic?

01:08:37.000 What is their main goal?

01:08:38.000 I mean, is it fair to say that you're now officially, uh, not their label of conspiracy theorist, but, I mean, you question JFK, you question 9-11, you question HAARP.

01:08:48.000 You're not buying the Kool-Aid they're selling.

01:08:51.000 Is that fair to say?

01:08:52.000 Well, let me put it this way.

01:08:55.000 Irregardless of anything, it sure is interesting stuff.

01:08:59.000 And, you know, we do a show on the Bilderbergs and I do understand that they're real.

01:09:06.000 I guess the thing that upsets me the most was I made it to governor and they never invited me.

01:09:13.000 And I would, and I guess maybe I gotta run for office again then so I can get invited to this thing to find out what the hell goes on inside there.

01:09:22.000 Well, they would have invited you if you would have gone along with the CIA when they sent you down at the governor's office two weeks into office.

01:09:29.000 But I mean, you're not selling people out.

01:09:31.000 You're a swashbuckling, you know, loose cannon for freedom.

01:09:36.000 Well, I mean, what is your view on the New World Order then?

01:09:38.000 Because I know you're anti-establishment and... Well, let me put it to you this way.

01:09:42.000 Then I also look at it from a different perspective, Alex.

01:09:45.000 I believe in evolution.

01:09:47.000 The science of evolution.

01:09:49.000 And maybe this is evolution.

01:09:54.000 You know, when you look at it, that we will evolve and that maybe it won't fully be here in our lifetimes, but a hundred years from now, Because of the fact with technology the way it is, the world gets smaller and smaller and smaller.

01:10:09.000 And I guess, let me, just for the sake of argument, state that there would be one good thing if there was a one world government.

01:10:17.000 You know what that would be?

01:10:18.000 There couldn't be wars then, could there?

01:10:23.000 But see, Governor, that is the... I mean, literally, if... then you wouldn't have one country fighting another country.

01:10:30.000 No, but that's not their plan.

01:10:32.000 Oh, I understand that, Alex.

01:10:33.000 Don't for a minute think I'm naive.

01:10:36.000 But I am saying that there is the chance that this could be almost an evolutionary thing, that we will evolve to the point where there may well be a one-world government and there may be no way around it.

01:10:49.000 Then the important thing, Alex, is what will that government be?

01:10:55.000 Well, that's the issue here, is that they always pitch it that we were hunter-gatherers, we were agrarian, we formed villages, then city-states, then nations, then empires, and the next phase is Star Trek, that we've been implanted with psychologically, the image of the global galactic empire, and we're always fighting green aliens, you know, the Klingons, so we've got to do this.

01:11:15.000 The issue is, they built this world government in stealth, and denied that it existed.

01:11:23.000 Until it was too late to really stop it.

01:11:25.000 And now they're coming out going, yeah, we're going to tax everything you do.

01:11:28.000 We're not going to let you have more than one kid.

01:11:31.000 And yeah, we want to carry out eugenics on you, and we're going to carbon tax you. 0.99

01:11:35.000 And Ban Ki-moon writes editorials saying the carbon tax is for the New World Order, and it's for a bunch of corrupt CEOs and bankers to play emperor.

01:11:44.000 And so if the people of the world ever wanted to create a world government, and it was democratic and under the republic system, then that would be one thing.

01:11:53.000 But this thing was created by a corrupt group of criminals and it's a world tyranny.

01:11:58.000 That's why every ounce of my body and being, just like Thomas Jefferson said, I swear eternal resistance to all forms of tyranny over the minds of men.

01:12:10.000 And Jesse, I know you, I mean, don't you swear?

01:12:13.000 Alex, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

01:12:16.000 I'm not going to dispute anything you've said.

01:12:19.000 I won't.

01:12:20.000 But the point is, And you're correct.

01:12:23.000 If it was so good, why would they do it in secret?

01:12:26.000 And that's a very, very valid point to make.

01:12:29.000 The point we have to make, if it's inevitable that we're going to come under one world rule, then we, the people, have to ensure that we're players in the game, that we have dogs in the fight.

01:12:42.000 But I don't want to be under the Communist Chinese. 0.92

01:12:45.000 Alex is making sure we got a dog in the fight.

01:12:48.000 No, no, I hear you.

01:12:49.000 But instead, so we never have a dog in the fight, They just say there isn't a world government, meet your world government.

01:12:55.000 I mean, they're still saying world government doesn't exist, so that we can never demand representation.

01:13:01.000 Well, what was interesting was I was out at that new Denver airport.

01:13:05.000 Right?

01:13:06.000 The new one in Denver?

01:13:07.000 Yes.

01:13:08.000 And on the plaque that they have out there, on the bottom of it, it says the New World Airport Commission.

01:13:16.000 And there isn't one.

01:13:19.000 Nothing, nothing of that name is in existence.

01:13:22.000 And there's murals of Nazis.

01:13:24.000 How would they put that on the dedication plaque at that big Denver airport?

01:13:28.000 The New World.

01:13:29.000 Not the Colorado Airport Commission, not the Denver Airport Commission, but the New World Airport Commission.

01:13:37.000 And they have paintings of Nazis killing children above it.

01:13:41.000 Also, they're not Nazis.

01:13:43.000 I disprove that.

01:13:46.000 Well, there's people in fascist-style uniforms milling people out.

01:13:49.000 Right, but they are not Nazis.

01:13:50.000 You know how I disproved that, Alex?

01:13:52.000 How?

01:13:53.000 The guy is carrying an AK-47.

01:13:55.000 I saw it right away.

01:13:56.000 I said, this can't be a Nazi.

01:13:58.000 The Nazis didn't have that weapon. 0.70

01:14:00.000 Yeah, but I don't think the artist knows that the Kalashnikov is an Eastern Bloc weapon. 0.79

01:14:04.000 Well, I noticed it.

01:14:07.000 Hey Jesse, I want to take some calls in time.

01:14:09.000 Yes, let's take some calls.

01:14:11.000 But a plug right here in the middle of this conversation.

01:14:14.000 I'm going to mail you, I've forgotten to mail you, Fall of the Republic, because this details from the globalist-owned statements that they are setting up a tyrannical world government, that they engineered the banking crisis by the crisis by design and that they are setting up a citizen spy force police state system so i hope all the listeners will get a copy of follow the republic at infowars.com the online video bookstore and support what we're doing here but also show it to everyone you know because this film exposes the wider agenda

01:14:43.000 and alex let me shamelessly add in please watch my television show because if we get such an overwhelming audience response it'll force them to buy it up for another deal and we'll be able to get that much farther into it.

01:14:57.000 it then and then like the x-files i get the spin-off like the lone gunman there you go okay now we're getting into real inside baseball look this show is important and i want everybody to tell their friends and family and neighbors true tv december 2nd airing every wednesday absolutely important because this this show is definitely from our perspective Okay, I want to go to some calls, but we've got to finish up with the last point.

01:15:23.000 We just hit Manchurian Canada, Secret Societies. 1.00

01:15:26.000 What about Big Brother?

01:15:29.000 Well, Big Brother is just simply that.

01:15:32.000 It's Big Brother, are they watching over you?

01:15:34.000 And I think in our show, you're going to hear clearly that they are and that clearly it's going to come from a place where the government is able to do it and work around the Constitution.

01:15:50.000 We have found that out and we will air that on the show to where you will clearly see how the government has looped the Constitution in which establishing Big Brother on you.

01:16:02.000 Okay.

01:16:05.000 Can we say the different federal groups you talk to or just leave that alone?

01:16:09.000 Uh, I don't think I talked to any federal groups again.

01:16:11.000 There was no cooperation from the government at all.

01:16:14.000 Well, you talked to their minions, though.

01:16:15.000 You talked to their Gestapo, their, their, their, their ground pounders, their citizen spies. 0.70

01:16:20.000 Well, yes, we did do that.

01:16:22.000 We'll just leave it there.

01:16:24.000 We'll just leave it there.

01:16:25.000 Yeah, just leave it at that.

01:16:27.000 Well, it's a very exciting, uh... How many of them are right down in your country, Alex?

01:16:31.000 I don't want you getting in trouble.

01:16:33.000 Believe me, we know what InfraGard is up to.

01:16:36.000 Oklahoma's too close to Austin.

01:16:42.000 Okay, folks, Governor Jesse Ventura is our guest.

01:16:45.000 Best-selling author, wrestler, movie star, governor, football, National Football League, NFL commentator, surfer.

01:16:56.000 Jesse, what is there you haven't done?

01:17:00.000 I don't know, but I've got a few years to figure it out yet, Alex.

01:17:04.000 You never stop going because, you know, in the words of the late great Warren Zavon, I'll sleep when I'm dead.

01:17:10.000 Program note to stations.

01:17:13.000 This is a network break coming up.

01:17:14.000 We're going to the end of the we're going right to the bottom of the hour.

01:17:18.000 We're going to let the Governor go here.

01:17:20.000 So we're going to take calls right now for the last 12 minutes or so with Governor Jesse Ventura giving you the inside scoop.

01:17:27.000 Jesse, why did you give this show first, the inside scoop?

01:17:30.000 I was very honored when you called me and said you were going to give us the exclusive one.

01:17:33.000 Well, for a number of reasons, Alex.

01:17:35.000 Your participation in the show was exceptional and we appreciated it.

01:17:40.000 You know, you flew out to L.A.

01:17:41.000 a couple times and all that to participate, and so why not?

01:17:46.000 I reward the people that reward me, and so that's a reason for it.

01:17:51.000 Plus, you have the listening audience, the base market that this show is designed for.

01:17:57.000 I would be crazy not to come on your show with my show because, you know, I'm not going to lie, we're out for success on this show.

01:18:05.000 I hope this show is hugely successful.

01:18:07.000 Yeah, but I know the TV shows you turn down.

01:18:09.000 I mean, I don't know if you want to say it, but you're turning down something with 30 million viewers coming up in a few weeks because you want to be out of the country.

01:18:16.000 I'm just really honored you came because I know you're turning down a bunch of really huge media interviews, but doing our shows, we appreciate it.

01:18:23.000 Well, no problem.

01:18:24.000 And like I said, you know, you're a wealth of information, Alex, that we can always rely upon.

01:18:31.000 And, you know, so doing your show is just simply the left hand washing the right hand.

01:18:37.000 Well, folks, we're going to post this interview up at InfoWars.com.

01:18:40.000 Over 200,000 people a day get the free podcast.

01:18:42.000 Get it.

01:18:43.000 Share it with everybody.

01:18:44.000 We're going to post a YouTube video of it.

01:18:45.000 Share it with everyone.

01:18:46.000 Because if this show can be a big success, the system may start letting more of this on the air as the Internet culture takes over the mainstream media.

01:18:55.000 We can beat the globalists.

01:18:57.000 If they can't beat us, they're going to try to join us, and we can slow down this whole system.

01:19:02.000 That's what Tweety Bird always said, if you can't beat them, join them.

01:19:06.000 Well, if we can beat them, they're going to have to back off.

01:19:09.000 And believing we can expose these people is half the battle.

01:19:12.000 Believing you can win.

01:19:13.000 Or as G.I.

01:19:14.000 Joe says, knowing is half the battle.

01:19:15.000 I believe taking action is half the battle.

01:19:17.000 Resistance is victory.

01:19:19.000 Matt in Illinois, you're on the air with Jesse Ventura.

01:19:21.000 Go ahead, Matt.

01:19:22.000 Hello, Mr. Ventura.

01:19:23.000 How are you doing?

01:19:25.000 Pretty good.

01:19:27.000 I wanted to know, I don't have a TV. 0.99

01:19:30.000 I gave up watching TV a long, long time ago because I didn't like being treated like I was stupid.

01:19:36.000 And it sounds like you've got a really good show, and I'd like to know If there's any plans to put it on the web or somehow that I'll be able to watch it without having to... I don't know at this time, but then again, I'm not a good web person to talk to, but I certainly will inquire to find out what the options are about doing it over the web or whatever, I don't know.

01:19:56.000 But at this time, the only thing I know is we'll be starting December 2nd.

01:20:01.000 Yeah, Matt, thanks for the call.

01:20:02.000 I'll tell you this, Time Warner is putting a lot of their stuff on YouTube now.

01:20:07.000 Most TV shows are there after the series runs, then it's up there with commercials on YouTube.

01:20:13.000 I would imagine this is made for the Internet.

01:20:16.000 I would imagine you're going to be able to see it officially on the Internet after it airs on TV.

01:20:20.000 Go to a neighbor's house and watch it.

01:20:22.000 Let's, you know, the Mind Control Box.

01:20:24.000 We're going to use the Mind Control Box to deprogram people.

01:20:27.000 Mary Ann in Iowa, you're on the air with Governor Jesse Ventura.

01:20:29.000 Go ahead.

01:20:30.000 Hi, it's a pleasure.

01:20:32.000 I just want to say I hope this wakes up the American people and I praise you for doing that.

01:20:38.000 I wanted to answer a quick question and then make a quick comment.

01:20:42.000 Representative Mike Pence from Indiana, Republican, the other day I was watching the health voting on C-SPAN and he said, and I wrote it down because I was freaked out by it, he said, it seems a few elite in a far distant country can run our lives for us.

01:21:00.000 Hold on, you mean Senator DeMint admitted that foreign bankers run our country?

01:21:03.000 I was going to ask you, which I think you've already answered, were you going to do a show on the Bilderbergers and the secret societies?

01:21:03.000 I mean, that's amazing.

01:21:10.000 You didn't answer that.

01:21:11.000 Hold on.

01:21:11.000 You mean Senator DeMint admitted that foreign bankers run our country?

01:21:15.000 I mean, that's amazing.

01:21:16.000 His quote, and I wrote it down, it seems a few elite in a far-distance country can run our lives for us.

01:21:24.000 Okay, let's get Jesse's take on that.

01:21:25.000 Well, there's certainly that possibility.

01:21:28.000 Yes, we definitely do a show on the Bilderbergers, which I was happily kind of, I knew of them, but I didn't know as much about them And here's the interesting little sidebar for it.

01:21:39.000 We had a... Governor, are you still there?

01:21:45.000 See, that... I know that sound.

01:21:49.000 That's us.

01:21:50.000 That wasn't Ron Paul the other day.

01:21:53.000 Okay?

01:21:54.000 That's our phone system.

01:21:55.000 I want that on record.

01:21:58.000 Tell you, it's like living in a clown house or something.

01:22:03.000 Just call him back and let him finish his point.

01:22:08.000 It's always when I got huge guests on too.

01:22:10.000 Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, and the standard operating procedure.

01:22:16.000 Hell, I can call him on my cell phone and get him on that way.

01:22:22.000 We've got General Stubblebine coming up with Dr. Rima Labo.

01:22:28.000 Part two of the interview we started last week.

01:22:33.000 And I do have a lot of other news that we're going to be covering as well.

01:22:42.000 But hey, it's the miracle of technology, ladies and gentlemen.

01:22:44.000 where 50 years ago, 60, 70, 80 years ago, you couldn't even do stuff like this.

01:22:51.000 And it's kind of the hallmark of this show now.

01:23:01.000 That's what we do.

01:23:02.000 That's how we do it.

01:23:04.000 Okay.

01:23:05.000 Governor, I got you cut off there when you were going to add a point about Bilderberg.

01:23:08.000 It was either that, Alex, or they're cutting us off now.

01:23:08.000 Go ahead.

01:23:12.000 They're onto us.

01:23:14.000 You know?

01:23:15.000 No, what I was going to add was that, just a simple sidelight to the show, and then I got to run, is that, uh, We were interviewing a gentleman on the Bilderberg episode, and he had to travel from Europe to do the interview with me in New York, and we had to delay it a day because when he went to the airport, he was on the no-fly list.

01:23:38.000 Now, this person is not a terrorist.

01:23:42.000 Why would he be on the no-fly list, and who has the power to do that?

01:23:48.000 Well that happens to even congressmen now.

01:23:50.000 They get crosswise and you're not charged.

01:23:54.000 There's no judge.

01:23:55.000 There's no jury.

01:23:56.000 And now they're saying if you have bad credit you'll be on the no-fly list.

01:24:04.000 You're convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor or a parking ticket, Governor, but then you lose your rights.

01:24:08.000 Isn't that 180 degrees the opposite from our republic form of government?

01:24:13.000 I would like to think so, and you know, as I said earlier, Alex, it's just the case of, you know, the big brother, and in this case it was dealing with the Bilderbergs that we have this particular guy we were going to interview, and he was coming from a foreign country to here, and he was on the no-fly list over there.

01:24:32.000 To my knowledge, he's not a terrorist.

01:24:34.000 So, you know, it's interesting how they'll disrupt people's lives by putting him on this no-fly list if he's simply out of, say, a different political persuasion or whatever it might be.

01:24:46.000 Well, Governor, you've got to get to a meeting in downtown Minneapolis, so we've only got four more minutes left with you.

01:24:52.000 Let's take two final calls quickly.

01:24:54.000 Gary in Washington, then Mark in Minnesota.

01:24:56.000 Gary, you're on the air with Jesse Ventura.

01:24:59.000 Pleasure to be here with you.

01:25:00.000 I have a very important piece of information for the Governor, and I have a big question for both of you.

01:25:06.000 First piece of information, ShakeMaps is a product of U.S.

01:25:12.000 Geological Survey Earthquake Hazards Program.

01:25:14.000 If you look at the ShakeMap in Sichuan, when the earthquake happened with a rainbow over China on May 20, 2008, the ShakeMap is the exact same shape as the HAARP weapon.

01:25:29.000 That's point number one, and then we'll get to point number two.

01:25:32.000 Okay, what's your final point?

01:25:34.000 Because we've got to go here in a minute.

01:25:36.000 Okay, so check out the ShakeMap's final point.

01:25:38.000 There's too much fragmentation on the info war.

01:25:41.000 Prison Planet, Birthers, Oath Keepers, 9-11 Truth, Audit the Fed, LP, Gun Owners, Skywatch.

01:25:47.000 I would recommend both of you Sir, we can't do it all.

01:25:56.000 People act like Jesse Ventura or Alex Jones or Ron Paul have magical powers.

01:25:56.000 Hold on a minute.

01:26:01.000 We put our pants on one leg at a time, too.

01:26:04.000 Freedom is fractured.

01:26:06.000 It's good that we're not all unified because that makes us hard to stop.

01:26:10.000 Governor, your comment on that?

01:26:11.000 Well, and the other thing is, too, is that how do you do it?

01:26:15.000 It's like when I was the third party candidate in Minnesota, I tried to bring all the third parties together so we could consolidate and become a force against the other two parties.

01:26:25.000 I got news for you, it's like herding cats.

01:26:29.000 And I couldn't even bring them together on an issue that we all agreed upon, and that was campaign finance.

01:26:35.000 None of us, none of us took dirty money.

01:26:38.000 And it just fractured like nothing and so I just threw my hands up in the air and I said it may be impossible.

01:26:44.000 I think Alex makes a great point that they can't stop us all if we're all coming at them from different directions.

01:26:50.000 Yeah, it's a spirit of liberty.

01:26:52.000 Shrink government, bring accountability.

01:26:54.000 Final call for Governor Jesse Ventura from his home state, Minnesota.

01:26:59.000 Mark, you're on the air.

01:27:00.000 Go ahead.

01:27:01.000 Hi, you can hear me?

01:27:02.000 Yes, I can.

01:27:03.000 Hi, Mark.

01:27:03.000 Go ahead.

01:27:04.000 Hi.

01:27:05.000 I brought it for you, Jesse.

01:27:06.000 I appreciate both of you guys' work.

01:27:07.000 And quickly, a couple questions about... I can't wait for your show to come out.

01:27:12.000 I look forward to watching that.

01:27:14.000 And I'll tell people about it, my friends and whatnot.

01:27:16.000 A couple ideas for the show.

01:27:17.000 Maybe you could look into the patent issue where people... individuals developing free energy and antigravity technology that The government then deems it a national security risk.

01:27:30.000 You know, Jesse, that's a great idea if it gets picked up for another season, is look at Cold Fusion.

01:27:35.000 We'll take that into consideration, but we've got to get picked up first.

01:27:39.000 We only did seven for right now.

01:27:41.000 Yeah, we've got to cross that bridge before we... We have to come to that bridge before we cross it.

01:27:45.000 Anything else, Mark?

01:27:47.000 Yeah, one last thing.

01:27:47.000 I just saw an article in the World Met Daily about data centers being set up by the NSA and Homeland Security Department.

01:27:55.000 And I'm very concerned about that.

01:27:56.000 They collect all our information, all communications, and store it.

01:28:00.000 And it's just another incremental loss of liberty.

01:28:03.000 Watch my show on his big brother watching and all that, and you'll learn how they get away with it, and how they loop the Constitution to do it.

01:28:13.000 Thank you so much, Mark.

01:28:14.000 Okay, we've got a minute and a half left.

01:28:15.000 Governor, I'm going to say bye to you when we go to break, so just hold one moment.

01:28:18.000 But I wanted to say in closing, it's been great working with you.

01:28:21.000 I hope the show airs.

01:28:22.000 Looks like it is.

01:28:24.000 They've started promoting it.

01:28:25.000 They're unleashing you to promote it.

01:28:26.000 So I think that's the green light.

01:28:27.000 But as you said, we won't believe it airs until we see it go on December 2nd on TruTV.

01:28:33.000 So spread the word.

01:28:34.000 But did you ever think, because I know all about this stuff and I still can't believe it.

01:28:39.000 I'm still flabbergasted.

01:28:40.000 I am psychologically speechless a lot of times.

01:28:43.000 I can still Babble some words out, but it's hard to articulate.

01:28:47.000 The NSA says they're taking over the whole internet.

01:28:49.000 They may shut it down during crises like bird flu or swine flu.

01:28:53.000 The NSA is going to intercept all internet traffic.

01:28:56.000 They're building NSA centers in San Antonio and New York and Florida and Minnesota and California and just admitting they're reading everything we're doing.

01:29:05.000 So they go from, we're not spying on Al-Qaeda, to we are spying on Al-Qaeda, to we're spying on you, and we don't need no stinking warrants.

01:29:12.000 Did you ever think that would happen?

01:29:14.000 Well, it will happen because, yeah, I can believe it happening, Alex, because of apathetic people out there.

01:29:22.000 People cannot be apathetic any longer.

01:29:24.000 You can't sit on your hands anymore.

01:29:27.000 You can't sit back and have government tell you they're going to protect you, but in lieu of that protection, you're going to give up your freedoms.

01:29:34.000 You are better off to be in danger from terrorists than you are to lose your freedoms.

01:29:40.000 Don't let them take your freedoms and always remember dissension is the greatest form of patriotism.

01:29:46.000 Governor Jesse Ventura, amazing having you on.

01:29:48.000 That's a great way to end it.

01:29:51.000 We're on the march.

01:29:52.000 The Empire's on the run.

01:29:55.000 Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

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01:32:57.000 Well, Judge Napolitano is our guest today, Judge Napolitano is our guest today, and I'm very, very excited today, and I'm very, very excited to have This is an abbreviated visit, but we're going to get him back on for a full 30 minutes or maybe even an hour.

01:33:26.000 And he's, of course, from Newark, New Jersey.

01:33:28.000 He's a tenured Superior Court judge in New Jersey and now an analyst on Fox News Channel.

01:33:33.000 He has an extremely popular syndicated radio show and has Freedom Watch from Fox News Studios, which is an internet television show.

01:33:41.000 And he also is the guest host for Glenn Beck.

01:33:43.000 I wish he was!

01:33:46.000 The person doing that show, because he is the real Bonafide.

01:33:50.000 He wrote an editorial last week pointing out that the Republican health care plan was almost as bad as the Democrats.

01:33:57.000 And he is a constitutionalist right up there with Ron Paul.

01:34:03.000 And so he's somebody I actually agree with on like 98% of stuff, instead of Glenn Beck, 90%.

01:34:09.000 Because that 10% is a big area.

01:34:11.000 And so here for about 15 minutes to talk about health care.

01:34:15.000 uh, the big government takeover of healthcare, extrajudicial, these boards decide what to do, and to talk about the cap and trade, which I believe has a good chance of passing the Senate.

01:34:25.000 Both of these are now in orbit, like ICBM space stations about to drop nukes on our Republic, and Judge Andrew Napolitano is there fighting it valiantly.

01:34:37.000 Judge, it's great to have you with us.

01:34:39.000 Well, thank you, Alex.

01:34:40.000 It's good to be on with you.

01:34:41.000 There's so much happening, uh, What's more important?

01:34:45.000 Cap and trade?

01:34:47.000 And the total micromanagement of our life by special interests with Al Gore set to make the money?

01:34:51.000 Or the government takeover of healthcare?

01:34:53.000 Oh boy, that's really a pick-your-poison, Alex.

01:34:57.000 It's all part of the same big government mentality.

01:35:01.000 Your kind comments about the piece I wrote was really from a monologue that I gave while filling in for Glenn Beck, which I'm also doing later today at 5 o'clock Eastern, by the way.

01:35:11.000 On Fox News Channel, in which I argued that we don't have a two-party system in this country.

01:35:16.000 We have a one party, one political party called the Big Government Party.

01:35:20.000 The Republican branch likes war and deficits and assaulting our civil liberties.

01:35:27.000 And the Democratic branch likes wealth transfers and taxes and assaulting our commercial liberties. 0.68

01:35:34.000 But the mindset is the same.

01:35:36.000 The heck with the Constitution, the heck with the Bill of Rights, the heck with inalienable rights, the heck with even the laws that we write, we know what's better for you than what you know is good for yourself and we will tell you how to obey or else.

01:35:51.000 Cap and Trade is one manifestation of that.

01:35:55.000 Obamacare is another manifestation of it.

01:35:59.000 I was furious last week When I saw that even the Republicans, even so-called conservative Republicans, not Ron Paul, but many in the Republican leadership in the House, introduced Obamacare Light, which basically presumes a federal role in healthcare, of which there is none under the Constitution.

01:36:21.000 Tells insurance carriers you can't refuse to cover people because of pre-existing injuries.

01:36:26.000 That's a very nice thing, but there's no power for the Congress to mandate it.

01:36:31.000 That's got to come about by the free market.

01:36:34.000 Bribes the states to change their court system so they would Basically go to the state of New Jersey and say we'll repave the Garden State Parkway and the New Jersey Turnpike if you put caps on the limits that juries can award injuries against doctors and medical malpractice lawsuits.

01:36:52.000 If you and I went to a state and said I'll give you money if you change our laws, we'd be arrested for bribery.

01:36:57.000 So this was all the same mindset of we in Washington can micromanage the private Judge Andrew Napolitano is our guest today.

01:37:16.000 Judge, what you're talking about and reading over the legislation, it's like Groundhog Day but on a bigger scale.

01:37:22.000 It's Chicago or New York, big city, crime boss, a machine doling everything out.

01:37:30.000 It's like with the takeover of General Motors.

01:37:32.000 It even came out in congressional investigations, as you know, because you covered it, that people that gave money to Obama cronies or to the Democratic Party, they got to keep their dealership and got to keep their client list.

01:37:45.000 But if you didn't, if you'd ever gone against them or hadn't paid the protection money, you lost your dealership, even though some of the dealerships were over 80 years old and made millions of dollars a year.

01:37:58.000 And so now you have this 10th Amendment destroying federal power coming in with these unelected panels.

01:38:06.000 And it just goes on and on and on and on.

01:38:10.000 And I fear it can pass the Senate.

01:38:12.000 I'm hearing some of the Republican leadership saying, oh no, it won't.

01:38:15.000 They said it wouldn't pass the House in the last two weeks.

01:38:18.000 Well, they did say it wouldn't pass the House, and it did pass by a two-vote margin.

01:38:22.000 And, you know, you really can't tell with politicians because the leadership will bribe them.

01:38:29.000 Remember the first time TARP, the so-called Troubled Asset Relief Program, went through the House, it was defeated.

01:38:36.000 I remember I was on the Fox Business Network at the moment.

01:38:41.000 Fist in air, just emoting joy, shouting, the beast is dead.

01:38:48.000 But I was naive because the leadership came back and bribed by, you know, we'll build a courthouse in your district, your friend wants to become a federal judge, he's got it, just vote for us on TARP.

01:38:58.000 Eventually people changed their vote.

01:39:00.000 I fear that the same thing will happen with respect to Obamacare, the government.

01:39:05.000 The executive branch, the leadership in both parties, in both houses, will bribe those who are wavering and give them something else that they want in order to secure their vote.

01:39:17.000 But you also raise a very important issue about the delegation of federal power to non-elected groups.

01:39:26.000 This is what FDR did, and FDR is the model for President Barack Obama.

01:39:31.000 FDR had over 500 groups throughout the country appointed by local politicians who decided what prices and wages were.

01:39:43.000 There's a famous case in my home state of New Jersey Where an Eastern European immigrant opened up a dry cleaning shop and the local wage and price group declared that you would charge 40 cents to clean and press a man's suit.

01:40:00.000 This guy charged 35 cents.

01:40:03.000 Literally a nickel cheaper than what the unelected local board said he could charge.

01:40:09.000 He was arrested by the FBI, he was indicted by a grand jury, he was put on trial in federal court in Newark, and he served a three-month prison term in a federal prison for charging five cents less than what the local board allowed him to.

01:40:24.000 Now, transform that It's a modern-day practice of medicine.

01:40:29.000 You will have a board of bureaucrats, not even physicians, bureaucrats that will be between you and your physician.

01:40:37.000 You will lose your privacy.

01:40:39.000 You will lose the freedom of choice because the bureaucratic board will give your physician a list of diagnostic tools And that's all in there!

01:40:57.000 And that's why they're saying they're going to get all these hundreds of billions out of Medicare and Medicaid by reducing the care.

01:41:03.000 Tom Daschle wrote a book admitting if you're old you don't deserve it, you don't need it.

01:41:08.000 People are really about to find out.

01:41:10.000 Who these eugenicists are, who these control freaks are that inhabit the Democratic Party and to some extent the Republican Party.

01:41:17.000 In the five minutes we've got left with Judge Andrew Napolitano joining us today in a very busy schedule, I want to shift gears now.

01:41:26.000 Uh, to war.

01:41:28.000 You talk about the Republicans want endless war, and the Democrats want to nanny-state you together, uh, to death.

01:41:34.000 But look at Obama!

01:41:36.000 He's increased troops before in Afghanistan.

01:41:38.000 He's now saying he's gonna send 40,000 more in, that we're never going to leave.

01:41:43.000 There's over 300,000 international and Afghan troops there now.

01:41:47.000 Uh, I see absolutely no difference between the parties, just different rhetoric.

01:41:52.000 I must reluctantly agree with you.

01:41:54.000 I say reluctantly, not because I don't like to agree with you, I do, but because I was naively expecting that we would not see this kind of build-up under him that we saw under George W. Bush.

01:42:06.000 But think about it, war is the health of the state.

01:42:09.000 When we fight a war, people will look the other way when our taxes are raised and when the government takes away their freedom because they accept the illusion that by fighting the war, the government is somehow keeping them safe.

01:42:21.000 Presidents love war because it lets them escape the confines of the Constitution.

01:42:27.000 It lets them become a little bit of a prince.

01:42:30.000 It even causes judges sometimes, if the president does something under the guise of war making to look the other way and defer to the executive branch.

01:42:39.000 Fortunately, the Supreme Court did not do that under Bush years, under the Bush years.

01:42:43.000 But every single time his war making powers were challenged in the courts and made its way to the Supreme Court of the United States, he was zero and six before a Supreme Court that was appointed largely by Republicans.

01:42:58.000 Judge, were you surprised?

01:42:59.000 I don't want you to rely on the Supreme Court to save us because their life is on the line and you don't know which way they're going to go and because it takes too long for the issue to get to them and too much harm can happen between the time presidents wage war and the time their war powers are challenged in the courts.

01:43:16.000 Were you surprised that Obama flip-flopped so strongly and went from being anti-patriot act to zealously defending it and wanting to expand it and complete warrantless wiretapping, complete secret arrest, complete... I mean, he's going further than Bush on the police state.

01:43:32.000 I didn't think that was possible.

01:43:33.000 I didn't think it was possible either, and I was absolutely crushed when I heard it.

01:43:38.000 He obviously was not my candidate of choice, but I took a little bit of internal intellectual solace in the fact that at least we were getting a president who would respect the Constitution.

01:43:50.000 How wrong I was, his disrespect for the Constitution, Exactly.

01:43:55.000 not be couched in as harsh and obvious and overt terms as in the Bush years, but it's just as bad, just as destructive, and just as willing to overlook specific restraints written in the Constitution to restrain the president as were many of his predecessors. and just as willing to overlook specific restraints written in Well, I've talked to a lot of lawyers and judges, and I wanted to briefly see if you agree.

01:44:21.000 Even though a lot of conservatives didn't like Obama, true paleoconservatives, libertarian types like Ron Paul and yourself, because he is a constitutional lawyer and practiced it for 10 years as a professor, people expected that Obama would try to, at least on the surface, restore some of the Bill of Rights.

01:44:39.000 But instead, you know, he's saying Constitution is just a GD piece of paper. 0.57

01:44:44.000 I too expected that he would show more respect for the Constitution.

01:44:49.000 I read some of the lectures he gave at the University of Chicago Law School.

01:44:53.000 I could have given some of those lectures myself when I taught Constitutional Law at Seton Hall Law School in Newark and at Delaware Law School in Wilmington, Delaware.

01:45:02.000 But, you know, something happens when you don the mantle of power, and that something is a disdain for the restraint on your power, a disdain for the natural law, a respect that we have natural rights beyond which no government can go, a disdain for the Constitution itself, a disdain for our inalienable rights, same as natural rights, and a disdain for the Bill of Rights.

01:45:23.000 They just simply don't care.

01:45:26.000 They will steal from the rich to give to the poor to create a class of people dependent upon them who will continue to vote them in office so they can continue to be taken care of, cradle to grave by a federal government that doesn't have one iota of constitutional authority to do all of this. cradle to grave by a federal government that doesn't have Final question. 0.59

01:45:46.000 I'm going to let you go because I know you've got to fill in.

01:45:48.000 Guest host for Glenn Beck tonight.

01:45:49.000 Congratulations on your huge success as your star rises because you're the bonafide constitutionalist.

01:45:55.000 We really, really appreciate you, Judge Andrew Napolitano.

01:45:59.000 But in closing, I would like to get you to comment, A, on just how special George Washington and Andrew Jackson were.

01:46:08.000 They got all this power and then did give it up.

01:46:11.000 They wanted George Washington to be a king.

01:46:14.000 These were amazing founding fathers we had, and what would they think of what's happening today, where NOAA Satellite Information Service, the federal government, admits the coldest Winner so far in the last 50 years, the third coldest in the last 100.

01:46:33.000 Meanwhile, they're openly announcing that they're going to list carbon dioxide as a toxic waste and tax it when humans exhale it.

01:46:41.000 Can you end with speaking about our founders compared to the material we've got in Washington today and what they would think of taxing what plants breathe?

01:46:51.000 The founders tried to do two things with the Constitution.

01:46:55.000 One was to create a federal government strong enough to protect us from invasion and to do national type things like run a post office and make sure that there's trade between the states.

01:47:05.000 The other was to restrain the federal government so that it wouldn't interfere with our personal liberties.

01:47:10.000 They specifically gave us a constitution that kept the federal government away from any type of relationship with individuals because they knew that the greatest threat to freedom comes not from your enemy on the outside who you can see and look at.

01:47:27.000 But from the smiling face of the government on the inside, who claims that it's going to take care of you.

01:47:34.000 And presidents like George Washington, whose closest advisor, Alexander Hamilton, wanted him to be king.

01:47:40.000 And Andrew Jackson, who basically said to the Supreme Court, you know, they've gone ahead and made their federal bank, let them find the money and put them on the deposits in the federal bank.

01:47:51.000 These were people who understood that there were natural limits on what government can do and written limits on what the federal government can do, and they stuck to those limits.

01:48:03.000 The present government and its predecessors, you know, from Lincoln to Wilson to FDR to George W. Bush to Barack Obama, have so distorted out of proportion what the federal government is to do that the founders would not recognize it at all and would probably want to take up arms against it.

01:48:21.000 What are you covering tonight and then we'll let you go.

01:48:23.000 I hope you're going to be covering the health care and cap-and-trade because... That's exactly what we're talking about.

01:48:27.000 We're talking about health care.

01:48:29.000 We're talking about the state of the economy.

01:48:32.000 We're talking about the government subpoenaing media entities wanting to know who earns how much money because they have to decide whose income taxes to audit next.

01:48:47.000 You're kidding!

01:48:47.000 Wait a minute.

01:48:48.000 They're not just The federal government is subpoenaing media people to- They're subpoenaing media companies to find out who earns what and what their social security numbers are.

01:48:59.000 This is getting so bad, so quickly, far worse than any of us imagined.

01:49:05.000 And the present president hasn't even celebrated his first year in office yet.

01:49:09.000 Well since you brought that up- Since you brought that up, let me just ask you now.

01:49:14.000 Senator Lamar Alexander's gone to the floor and talked about he's confirmed there's an enemies list.

01:49:19.000 He warned him and said, look, I worked for Nixon, don't do this.

01:49:24.000 It's been reported I am on the enemies list.

01:49:27.000 I'm going from memory.

01:49:28.000 I think you are too.

01:49:29.000 But what is it?

01:49:30.000 I mean, this is crazy.

01:49:32.000 It is scary to know that there's a real enemies list.

01:49:36.000 And this is I mean, is this not illegal, Judge?

01:49:40.000 Well, it's illegal for the President to compile a list of people who disagree with him on the basis of their political opinions and their outspoken words.

01:49:49.000 That was specifically written into the privacy law in 1974, enacted and signed into law by President Ford shortly after President Nixon resigned.

01:49:59.000 These are restraints that are expressly enacted to restrain the President.

01:50:04.000 But this White House, just like it doesn't respect freedom of contract, just like it doesn't respect freedom of speech, just like it doesn't respect privacy, doesn't respect this either.

01:50:15.000 Well, I tell you, it's scary, and everybody should pray for the people that are on that list, myself included.

01:50:20.000 Judge, what's the best website for people to visit to find out about all things Judge Napolitano?

01:50:26.000 Well, they can go to foxnews.com, where my Freedom Watch appears, as do my monologues when I fill in for Glenn, as do many of my op-eds.

01:50:37.000 And, Alex, I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed being on with you.

01:50:41.000 I hope we get to do this a lot more in the future.

01:50:45.000 Absolutely.

01:50:45.000 Thank you, Judge.

01:50:47.000 Take care.

01:50:47.000 Have a great weekend coming up.

01:50:49.000 You as well.

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01:54:00.000 Oh, Lord, am I trouble so hard?

01:54:05.000 Ooh, Lordy, my trouble's so hard.

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01:54:18.000 Ooh, Lordy, my trouble's so hard.

01:54:23.000 Alright, getting back here.

01:54:27.000 This is Ted Anderson.

01:54:28.000 I'm just stepping in for Alex.

01:54:30.000 He asked me to step in during this particular segment.

01:54:34.000 Gold is running up.

01:54:35.000 He called me.

01:54:36.000 Hope he's having just a great time on his vacation.

01:54:39.000 After the production of that Fall of the Republic, he certainly deserves a little bit of time off.

01:54:44.000 For those of you who like to support him and for those of you who don't like to support him, in case you don't know, I've spent time with Alex down at his house.

01:54:53.000 He gets his kids to bed and he ends up at about 11 o'clock going back to the office and producing these videos that he makes, which are so important as far as taking down the New World Order.

01:55:03.000 I can't say it enough, for any one of you who haven't had a chance to purchase the Fall of Republic, From Alex Jones' website, I'd suggest that you go there today.

01:55:13.000 And for those of you that have it, make copies of it and get it to all your friends.

01:55:17.000 I mean, I can't think of a better tool for education for the people.

01:55:21.000 But anyways, let's get back to gold here.

01:55:23.000 I was just reading today, gold holds firmly above $1,100 an ounce of CNN money.

01:55:31.000 And it's just been just a hot market.

01:55:33.000 I need to tell you, gold is rising today because the dollar is falling.

01:55:37.000 We have another drop in the dollar right now.

01:55:39.000 The dollar index is at 75.19.

01:55:40.000 We have another drop in the dollar right now.

01:55:43.000 The dollar index is at 75.19.

01:55:45.000 And gold has reached a high today of $1,118.50 so far.

01:55:52.000 Now, I need to say that it would have been something if we hit $1,120 an ounce or $1,110 and we backed off down into the $1,050, $1,060 range again.

01:56:04.000 I could say maybe we're at the end of this run, but we're not.

01:56:09.000 Gold has been holding real strong, holding firmly.

01:56:11.000 American Barrick, I say American Barrick because when I was a stockbroker I was selling it as American Barrick, now it's called Barrick Uh, now has to shut off, shut down any of its hedging.

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01:56:34.000 You're looking at today's prices.

01:56:35.000 You think that this is a good time to do it.

01:56:37.000 You sell your gold that you haven't even mined yet, knowing what your production is going to be because you've done core samples, and you deliver it later when the contracts come due.

01:56:47.000 Barrick was one of the largest sellers of gold all the way through the 1980s going into the 1990s and the 2000s.

01:56:54.000 It was one of the central bank's tools in order to keep the gold prices down.

01:56:58.000 You can go to gata.org and find that out.

01:57:02.000 Right now I need to tell you that the market is hot.

01:57:05.000 It is hot, hot, hot in gold, and I don't expect it to change.

01:57:09.000 The dollar is going to be falling as these central banks of the world decide to get into gold and get away from paper currency.

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01:57:23.000 Right now we're sitting on a U.S. paper currency fiat system that seems to be eroding away while foreigners are sitting on reserves that are just surmounting in the trillions of dollars, and they want out. 0.94

01:57:36.000 They want to get away from the United States government and it's tough.

01:57:40.000 Printing press that seems to be going full speed ahead.

01:57:43.000 We do have the British Sovereigns and I'm going to hold this deal clean through the weekend here now.

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01:59:59.000 We are back live, continuing with your phone calls and covering the news in this hour. - Sure.

02:00:22.000 So much going on with the economy, joblessness.

02:00:25.000 Federal government's reporting at about 10%.

02:00:28.000 How can we have a jobless recovery?

02:00:30.000 There's also been a terrible shooting in Florida, in an Orlando office building.

02:00:37.000 At least eight people shot there.

02:00:42.000 And of course you have the 12 dead, 30 plus wounded at Fort Hood with all the security there, showing that nothing can stop a nut, except for the Second Amendment.

02:00:53.000 And this female police officer who reportedly shot this individual four times and stopped him.

02:00:59.000 Thank God that she didn't wait like they did at Blacksburg and other places.

02:01:02.000 She charged in and took this guy out. 1.00

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02:01:09.000 uh... for that uh... but that they change the story to make so many times he knows what's going on for six hours they said this guy was dead and he said he was alive uh... so our hearts uh... and prayers go out to all of those at fort hood and uh... not just in texas but in orlando florida just terrible okay we're going to break here in a few minutes but uh... it was for several segments and i'm really excited about this interview because i uh... shop article

02:01:36.000 In McClatchy Newspapers, not this Sunday but last Sunday, and it dovetailed with Professor Black we've had on, a federal regulator, former federal regulator, and so many, John Perkins we've had on, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, all these other insiders talking about Goldman Sachs is just really involved in a lot of amazing behavior.

02:01:57.000 But the headline is, How Goldman Sachs Secretly Bet on the U.S.

02:02:00.000 Housing Crash.

02:02:02.000 And to go over that is the author, the investigative reporter, award-winning investigative reporter, Greg Gordon.

02:02:08.000 And he's written for some of the biggest newspapers in the country and right now is writing for McClatchy News Service and newspapers and he's He's broken a lot of just huge international investigative stories, and maybe later we can talk about a few of those.

02:02:25.000 But to talk about Goldman Sachs secretly bet on U.S.

02:02:28.000 housing crash is Greg Gordon.

02:02:30.000 Greg, thanks for coming on with us.

02:02:32.000 My great pleasure.

02:02:34.000 We're about to go to break, but just in a nutshell, this is one of the most in-depth, detailed investigative reports I've seen on the banking industry and Goldman Sachs.

02:02:44.000 This is just an amazing job.

02:02:46.000 Thank you so much.

02:02:48.000 In a nutshell, what did you discover?

02:02:51.000 Well, we wanted to find out how Goldman Sachs got out when nobody else did.

02:02:58.000 It did.

02:02:59.000 And so, the first story of the series is really about how Goldman was selling off.

02:03:06.000 At some stage, it became a sell-off.

02:03:08.000 We don't know exactly what that date is, but in 2006 and 2007, Goldman sold $39 billion of bonds, essentially bonds, backed by risky mortgages registered in the United States.

02:03:23.000 And these securities, many of them have gone south.

02:03:29.000 And then, in addition, Goldman was peddling more exotic securities, many of which were tied, again, to risky mortgages in the United States offshore.

02:03:40.000 And at the same time, Goldman was betting in these dark markets through devices that are known as credit default swaps, but they're basically insurance-like bets.

02:03:51.000 You're buying a little insurance policy on some specific thing, and they were betting that the housing market would go south and that these bonds would all lose value.

02:04:03.000 So they start quietly dumping on the market a AAA rated paper that was tied to derivatives, or exotic instruments as they're called, and at the same time betting against it after they dumped it.

02:04:17.000 Man, that is amazing!

02:04:21.000 Well, I want to be clear.

02:04:23.000 They were making bets on similar, but not exactly the same security, but on similar issues.

02:04:32.000 So, in other words, they were betting that the housing market's going to go bad, and if the housing market goes bad, all these mortgages are going to go south, or many of the mortgages, because people are going to find themselves underwater in their houses.

02:04:45.000 We know people across the country have homes that are worth less than their mortgages.

02:04:50.000 Sure, sure.

02:04:50.000 That's been well documented.

02:04:51.000 We're going to break, come back in a long segment, get more into this incredible article.

02:04:55.000 And he's saying it's the first in a series.

02:04:58.000 Can't wait to read more.

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02:08:06.000 He's written multiple parts in a detailed series.

02:08:11.000 The first of which we've been covering off and on for the last week and a half.

02:08:14.000 How Goldman secretly bet on the U.S.

02:08:16.000 housing crash.

02:08:17.000 Let me just read you a couple lines from Greg Gordon's syndicated article.

02:08:22.000 It says, uh, to piece together Goldman's role in subprime meltdown, McClatchy reviewed hundreds of documents, SEC filings, copies of secret investment circulars, lawsuits, and interviewed numerous people familiar with the firm's activities.

02:08:38.000 And then they go through in this article, piece by piece, uh, uh, Mr. Gordon did, Exactly how this was done and so just stating in layman terms What do we know Goldman Sachs did they are the only big group to get out of this you talk about how?

02:08:59.000 This was used against their competition like Bear Stearns and others All these other groups went belly-up, but Goldman Sachs came out smelling like a rose record profits record bonuses at the same time We see an over-representation of Goldman Sachs alumni in regulatory and government positions, and I want to get into that with you as well.

02:09:23.000 But I know as a journalist, you just want to stay to the facts, but I also want to talk about these documents that you got a hold of.

02:09:28.000 But, I mean, let's go through exactly what's happening here and where this is going.

02:09:35.000 And let me say that it's not an accident that so many Goldman executives go on to senior jobs in the government because Goldman for decades has encouraged its members once they have attained their wealth to go and spend some time doing some public service, go and work for the government.

02:10:00.000 So, you know, it sounds noble, but the problem is that when the guys get into the government, they end up being Treasury Secretary or head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, which regulates some of these derivatives, as you call them, that are traded, you know, outside as you call them, that are traded, you know, outside the normal markets.

02:10:21.000 You create appearances at the minimum that are very awkward and in some cases disturbing.

02:10:31.000 Here you had Hank Paulson serving as a Treasury Secretary at the end of the Bush administration last fall, in September, when everything blew up.

02:10:41.000 And it seemed as if every decision, every key decision that was made Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it seems as if every key decision, where Goldman Sachs was a stakeholder, the decision benefited Goldman Sachs.

02:10:58.000 They took over Bear Stearns when Bear Stearns collapsed, and Goldman had contracts with Bear.

02:11:06.000 We don't talk about this in the series, but it's true. 0.98

02:11:09.000 And Goldman was able to settle out when JPMorgan took over Bear Stearns.

02:11:15.000 That was a deal arranged by Goldman.

02:11:17.000 Paulson, and then Lehman Brothers, which was a big Goldman rival, was allowed to go under.

02:11:24.000 And that is going to be a decision that will be debated for a very long time.

02:11:28.000 Lehman's collapse caused a lot of disturbance in the markets, and there's been a running debate about whether Lehman should have been rescued with the rest of them.

02:11:34.000 disturbance in the markets.

02:11:36.000 And there's been a running debate about whether Lehman should have been rescued with the rest of them.

02:11:42.000 Lehman had really bet heavily in subprime and lost heavily.

02:11:43.000 Lehman had really bet heavily in subprime and lost heavily.

02:11:47.000 And then the decision was made to bail out AIG, the American International Group, and Goldman had placed $20 billion of these insurance-like bets with AIG, the American International Group. the American International Group.

02:12:06.000 And so Goldman got paid off out of this money, this rescue money from the government.

02:12:16.000 Goldman was paid $12.9 billion, and over $8 billion of that related to its secret bets, hedging, its subprime and other related risky mortgage-backed securities.

02:12:34.000 And it's also noteworthy that when these The 12.9 billion dollars was paid off.

02:12:42.000 It was a hundred cents on the dollar.

02:12:46.000 So it was decided that even the officials at AIG wanted to offer considerably less money to the various counterparties on all these bets it was holding.

02:12:56.000 And by the way, AIG made a dreadful mistake because AIG did not reinsure all these bets.

02:13:02.000 It just assumed that the housing market was going to go up forever.

02:13:05.000 And when it turned south, all of a sudden, instead of just getting these nice premiums from Goldman and I presume Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers every year, you know, paying maybe $100 million a year in premium so that they could have this insurance, all of a sudden AIG had to reimburse them all and pay off maybe $50, $60 billion.

02:13:30.000 And it didn't have the money, and that's when everything melted down.

02:13:34.000 So Goldman Sachs really always benefited from the decisions that were made by the government officials, including its alumni.

02:13:46.000 Bye.

02:13:47.000 Greg Gordon's our guest.

02:13:49.000 He's an investigative journalist with McClatchy Washington Bureau, and there's several parts in the series.

02:13:55.000 One is how Goldman secretly bet on the U.S.

02:13:57.000 housing crash.

02:13:58.000 Another, Goldman takes on new role taking away people's homes.

02:14:02.000 Another one, mystery, why did Goldman stop scrutinizing loans it bought?

02:14:06.000 Now, now, let me just be clear on this, reading over these pieces.

02:14:11.000 You have Goldman Sachs, 2006-2007, everything supposedly wonderful, the housing market's going to keep going up forever.

02:14:19.000 Anyone who says that's not the case is a conspiracy theorist.

02:14:22.000 We must give everyone a loan, even if they don't even have a job or rely on their application.

02:14:27.000 It's the American way.

02:14:29.000 Meanwhile, they're putting out Promotions saying housing's great, these instruments we're selling are wonderful.

02:14:38.000 While betting against similar instruments, did the Goldman Sachs massive shorting, did that contribute to the overall bubble beginning to burst?

02:14:54.000 Because that gets into a whole other area, not only Are they telling people these derivatives are great while they're separately betting against them secretly, but did their shorting contribute to the bubble beginning to deflate?

02:15:12.000 Well, a couple things, Alex.

02:15:14.000 One, there were derivatives.

02:15:16.000 They were sold generally offshore, but the stuff they were selling here, and even to foreign customers, but they were registering and selling them here, were bonds.

02:15:28.000 They were good old high-yield bonds, rated AAA.

02:15:32.000 Rated AAA.

02:15:34.000 But yet, Goldman was hedging them.

02:15:37.000 Secretly hedging them.

02:15:38.000 And the second thing I just want to mention, when you talked about Goldman promoting the fact that the housing market was doing so well, I've seen reports that Goldman's chief economist was warning that a bubble was approaching.

02:15:51.000 But that strikes me as also very Uh, inconsistent or odd in that Goldman had these AAA ratings on these securities.

02:16:01.000 Of course, they got them from ratings agencies, but that's not the story.

02:16:03.000 Well, they always hedge their bet.

02:16:05.000 I mean, sure, they're out here selling them, but then they also mention, ooh, there might be a problem, you know, irrational exuberance down the road.

02:16:13.000 So, oopsie, I told you so.

02:16:16.000 Oh, look, all my competition's destroyed now.

02:16:18.000 Oh, look, I'm making record profits.

02:16:20.000 Oh, look.

02:16:21.000 We're so noble, we happen to have our people all over federal regulation systems.

02:16:26.000 Oh, man, we're becoming the only player now.

02:16:30.000 Gee, we sure screwed up.

02:16:32.000 We sure screwed up into all this money and power.

02:16:38.000 And you know, the thing about that, they always hedge their bets.

02:16:42.000 These were AAA.

02:16:43.000 And I asked Goldman Sachs, can you give me another example of AAA securities?

02:16:50.000 That you hedge like this.

02:16:52.000 And they did not provide such an example.

02:16:53.000 They said, we hedge in a lot of our markets, etc.

02:16:56.000 But to be betting the other way, at the same time you're selling something as AAA, the question is, should they have told the investors, we also are betting that the housing market's going to turn south?

02:17:08.000 Because it was a risk factor right in, they list the risk factors and all the prospectuses which go to investors before the, and we're talking about, by the way, pension funds, insurance companies, foreign banks, union health and welfare funds, institutional investors.

02:17:25.000 Goldman says it only sold these securities to institutional investors.

02:17:30.000 So the question is, when they were peddling these things, why didn't they disclose that they were also betting the other way?

02:17:40.000 And would the investors then still have purchased these securities if they knew that Goldman was betting that the housing market was going to turn south?

02:17:47.000 Because one of the risk factors said, you know, it could really impact these securities if the housing market, especially in California and Florida where things were red hot and where usually about 40, 45 percent of every bundle of securities that Goldman and others sold came from 45 percent of every bundle of securities that Goldman and others sold It came from those states or based on mortgages that were written in those states.

02:18:12.000 And so, what would have happened to the sales of these securities if Goldman had acknowledged to investors, had disclosed in formal filings with the SEC or in the circulars they passed around on the deals they did in the Cayman Islands?

02:18:29.000 What would happen?

02:18:30.000 Would they be able to make these sales?

02:18:32.000 And that's a big question.

02:18:34.000 Well, I mean, here's an example.

02:18:35.000 I have a gold sponsor.

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02:18:39.000 And I really believe gold is going to go up the last six years from 300 bucks an ounce to 1,000.

02:18:44.000 And it has.

02:18:46.000 You're a smart guy.

02:18:48.000 But if... So, I mean, it's simple.

02:18:51.000 I mean, I tell people, I believe this is great.

02:18:53.000 Doesn't mean it's perfect.

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02:18:56.000 Silver and gold is as close as you get.

02:18:58.000 But then if it came out that I was internally betting against gold to go down, which I believe is going to continue to go up for a while, if I was wrong, that'd be okay.

02:19:09.000 But if it came out that I knew it was going to go down, and I was telling people, oh, it's great, here, buy it, I could get in a lot of trouble for that.

02:19:18.000 The question is, will Goldman Sachs get in trouble, or do they have so many of their people in regulatory positions and Larry Summers running the White House economic area that That's a good question.

02:19:29.000 That's a good question.

02:19:33.000 Well, let's talk about that when we come back.

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02:24:36.000 uh... today okay the question that i'd pose and when the break was does goldman sachs get in trouble for this and there's not even that i know of an investigation being done in the scc is filled with goldman sachs people in uh... i remember paulson to my film follow the republic he's up there testifying and they say you were goldman sachs how did you

02:25:02.000 Congressman Stern is asking him from Florida, how did you give your company money?

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02:25:10.000 And he said, oh, I got a waiver from the Treasury Department!

02:25:14.000 From himself!

02:25:15.000 I mean, it's just... Where does this go?

02:25:17.000 Or do they just continue to get to write the rules?

02:25:20.000 Because I interviewed a professor yesterday that you quote in your article, and he said, He said that all of this is just continuing, that the same people that set all this up are just continuing and so nothing's being reformed.

02:25:41.000 You're talking about Lawrence Kotlikoff of Boston University, I believe.

02:25:44.000 Yes.

02:25:46.000 And there are a lot of questions about, I'm not covering the reform process because I've been doing this, but there are a lot of questions about whether the right reforms are being done.

02:25:56.000 Congress did create a commission to investigate the crash, the causes of the crash.

02:26:05.000 They also, we also have the Securities and Exchange Commission which is trying very hard right now to make amends for really blowing the Bernie Madoff investigation for years.

02:26:17.000 I mean, there just was a big Inspector General's report that came out last week that talked about at least six instances in which SEC investigators had right under their nose opportunities to expose this gigantic Ponzi scheme that has hurt so many people.

02:26:35.000 And each time they missed it, they missed the obvious, failed to take the obvious investigative step that would have exposed the whole thing.

02:26:43.000 And Madoff basically kept shaking his head saying, boy, I'm not.

02:26:46.000 I was lucky that time So we're gonna have to see whether the SEC which right now under Mary Shapiro. 1.00

02:26:51.000 It's new chair is going to look at Goldman and really at all the investment banks and And whether or not they properly, fully disclosed what they knew about these risky mortgages.

02:27:07.000 The last piece of the series, I looked at Goldman's relationship with New Century Mortgage, a company that really was one of the classic high flyers in this sort of go-go industry.

02:27:20.000 New Century In the mid-90s was a pretty small company doing some subprime mortgages, which were a little bit riskier than the traditional mortgages, and maybe had about $300 million plus in sales.

02:27:34.000 And a decade later, New Century's revenues approached $60 billion in one year, which is staggering.

02:27:44.000 They were the number two behind AmeriQuest.

02:27:47.000 And New Century had about $9 deals in which they sold or their mortgages ended up in pools of securities that Goldman Sachs sold as high-yield bonds.

02:28:01.000 And in addition, Goldman sold off New Century-related securities offshore in at least three deals.

02:28:13.000 I tallied up about $5 billion plus in mortgages from New Century, and I think the number's a bit higher and maybe quite a bit higher.

02:28:14.000 I tallied up about $5 billion plus in mortgages from New Century, and I think the number's a bit higher and maybe quite a bit higher.

02:28:24.000 That Goldman was peddling after converting them into bonds or other securities.

02:28:33.000 And New Century, I got inside New Century.

02:28:37.000 I looked at a 550-page federal bankruptcy examiner's report.

02:28:42.000 By the way, the only one done on any defunct mortgage company from that era.

02:28:48.000 And I got networked into a bunch of former New Century employees, and they described how essentially all the lids were removed from the mortgage lending process late in this really red-hot housing and they described how essentially all the lids were removed from the mortgage lending process That's when there weren't enough borrowers to keep up with the Wall Street demand.

02:29:17.000 And so the...

02:29:20.000 Lending criteria, the credit criteria just began to become... Yes.

02:29:26.000 It disappeared into thin air.

02:29:28.000 So this is systemic fraud from top to bottom.

02:29:31.000 I mean, that's what it's been... One of the things, I just want to mention this, Alex, and that is that like other Wall Street firms, Goldman hired contractors to look over these mortgages.

02:29:42.000 Stay there, we got a break.

02:29:43.000 We got a break.

02:29:44.000 Come back and explain that to us.

02:29:45.000 Okay.

02:29:46.000 And then we'll ask you about some other points in your series.

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02:32:55.000 This is the economics professor Robert Black, one of the chief investigators of the SNLs, is laying out everything our guest is saying and even more.

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02:33:19.000 He says it's criminal, conspiracy, top to bottom, that they run all the regulators, they control the entire system, these big banks and brokerage firms.

02:33:28.000 They're going to destroy our society if we don't stop them, and that the fraud we've seen is by an order of magnitude the greatest in history.

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02:34:12.000 This affects your retirement.

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02:34:15.000 And the same system is still there.

02:34:18.000 The same people that ran all this are still in positions of power.

02:34:22.000 They control both the major parties.

02:34:25.000 It's just getting worse and worse.

02:34:27.000 Greg Gordon has written three parts that I see in the series.

02:34:29.000 There may be more.

02:34:31.000 Hal Goldman secretly bet on the U.S.

02:34:32.000 housing crash.

02:34:33.000 Goldman takes on new role taking away people's homes.

02:34:36.000 Mystery, why did Goldman stop scrutinizing loans it bought?

02:34:39.000 I want to briefly, in the ten minutes or less that we have left with our guest today, go over some of that.

02:34:44.000 We'll give you the latest on the shootings around the country, unfortunately, in Florida and Texas.

02:34:49.000 Some new developments there.

02:34:50.000 Okay, going back to Greg Gordon.

02:34:53.000 Greg, you were trying to say something as we went to break.

02:34:55.000 I was just going to mention that the Wall Street firms, as you would expect them to do, hired contractors to look over pools of mortgages before they were actually purchased.

02:35:08.000 And it's very interesting what happened here.

02:35:13.000 I've managed to find some of the people who We're looking over these loans, including a former project manager who would not be identified for fear it would ruin his career, who said that he watched as the number of loans that were reviewed in each pool, the percentage of loans, declined steadily from really 100% at the beginning to 10% or less at the end.

02:35:40.000 So they weren't looking at but a small sample of the loans at the end.

02:35:44.000 Then, you had the problem of the reviewers.

02:35:48.000 Some of these people were very experienced, had been in the lending business for 10, 20 years, and they'd look at a loan and they'd say, hey, this person is a landscaper making $10,000.

02:35:56.000 This person is a hairdresser claiming $10,000 a month.

02:35:59.000 And this person here is a checker at Walmart claiming $5,000 a month in income. 0.94

02:36:02.000 a month, and this person here is a checker at Walmart claiming $5,000 a month in income, and they're getting these big loans, but how do you justify this?

02:36:15.000 We have to stop this loan because this is not legit.

02:36:18.000 And they'd be told, no, we have to follow the guidelines of the mortgage lender.

02:36:23.000 And this mortgage lender, this particular kind of loan, is what's known as a stated income loan.

02:36:30.000 The stated income loan became So we had fraud engineered into the system.

02:36:43.000 So here's the issue.

02:36:44.000 We see Madoff go to jail.

02:36:46.000 We see Ken Lay get convicted.

02:36:49.000 But looking at this, it seems as if their crimes are smaller, diminutive, or dwarfed by these bigger institutional hedged frauds where they all kind of You know, pass on the guilt to each other, and then everyone just acts stupid, and there's no Kingpin Madoff or Ken Lay, but in the aggregate, it's galaxies bigger, and you can't get rid of these people.

02:37:17.000 They run the system still.

02:37:18.000 I mean, are we just drifting towards destruction?

02:37:23.000 Well, I don't know whether we're drifting towards destruction, but it's clear that this was a chain of profit that began from a real estate agent through the appraiser, the mortgage broker, the mortgage lender, the securitizer, and the So they're the kingpins.

02:37:41.000 You couldn't have done this, however, at this scale without the ratings agencies who bestowed these AAA ratings on these securities and without Wall Street, which turned a fairly nominally sized market into a $2 trillion market.

02:37:56.000 So they're the kingpins.

02:37:58.000 So the buck stops with the regulators?

02:38:01.000 We'll see.

02:38:05.000 I'm not going to make any predictions what the regulators are going to do, not after the Madoff case.

02:38:12.000 We'll see whether they are willing to go in there and subpoena Goldman Sachs to find out exactly what that's and what the chronology was.

02:38:23.000 The timing of all these secret bets and what they were and what people knew, most important perhaps, probably, what did people know while they were making the secret bets?

02:38:34.000 Did they know they were peddling toxic waste and they needed to insure themselves and that's why they bought $20 billion in insurance-like bets with AIG?

02:38:42.000 Or was this just, as Goldman Sachs would put it, were they just positioning, repositioning their portfolio?

02:38:52.000 It's just mind-blowing to see something like this at this magnitude going on, and no one's been brought to justice to add insult to injury.

02:39:01.000 Record profits for Goldman Sachs, record bonuses, and it's going on at these other big firms.

02:39:08.000 Bonuses at AIG, bonuses at JP Morgan, bonuses all around, while the real economy goes belly-up and unemployment skyrockets.

02:39:20.000 That's correct.

02:39:22.000 Well, we'll have to see whether we get an investigation.

02:39:25.000 You asked me before about what Goldman is doing now, and it is interesting and sad to note that like the other Wall Street firms, Goldman Sachs, this 24-carat Wall Street firm, has been reduced to going into court around the country and filing papers to seize the homes of people who borrowed on subprime mortgages and many of whom would never have been able to get these loans if Wall Street hadn't created such a big market.

02:39:55.000 Now they're losing their homes, and a lot of these people, because their credit is so filed up, will never be able to qualify to get another mortgage again.

02:40:03.000 Well, it's a predatory vertical integration of the economy. 0.93

02:40:08.000 Strip mining is the way I would describe it.

02:40:10.000 But certainly Goldman has come out better than anybody in this.

02:40:14.000 Most of their competitors are dead and gone.

02:40:16.000 They've made record profits.

02:40:18.000 They've got their people everywhere in every regulatory agency in the White House.

02:40:25.000 And so it paid off!

02:40:26.000 I mean, it looks like this paid!

02:40:28.000 Looks like, um, you know, why did, um, why did that famous gangster rob banks?

02:40:33.000 Because that's where the money was.

02:40:35.000 And I guess nobody will even point the finger at him, and so they'll...

02:40:39.000 I mean, I guess that's it.

02:40:40.000 They win.

02:40:41.000 Let's say this, in fairness.

02:40:45.000 Nobody's feeling terribly fair toward Goldman, wanting to be terribly fair toward Goldman Sachs because they're making so much money in this horrible climate right now, economic climate.

02:40:55.000 But Goldman, this is not the only market Goldman was in.

02:40:59.000 And they're very smart.

02:41:00.000 They get the best and the brightest out of Ivy League schools and they're very smart.

02:41:03.000 They make a lot of money in a lot of places.

02:41:06.000 What's drawing our attention is just the fact that Goldman wasn't a small player and they got out.

02:41:14.000 They made it out safely and nobody else really did.

02:41:18.000 And they just so happen to have all the regulators.

02:41:20.000 Well, amazing.

02:41:22.000 And now they're running around, you've got an investigative report on that, one of the most aggressive groups, correct me if I'm wrong, going after people's houses.

02:41:33.000 Well, there was a disturbing example.

02:41:35.000 A couple named Tony and Celia Becker from San Jose had a 1,500 square foot house and they took a couple of mortgages out to support a jewelry business that had been hit with wildfires and other things that happened in California.

02:41:51.000 And they were having some financial problems.

02:41:54.000 They took these mortgages out to free up some cash to try to keep their business afloat.

02:41:59.000 And they fell behind nonetheless on the payments when the second wildfire kind of wiped out the whole area around their business.

02:42:06.000 And so they needed to, they discovered a clause in the mortgage that allowed them to negotiate to defer some of the loan payments.

02:42:15.000 And they needed to negotiate with their lender to get this deferral.

02:42:19.000 The only problem was nobody would admit to being the lender.

02:42:23.000 Goldman had bought the mortgages from a subprime lender and denied that it owned the mortgages, which might have been technically true because they were stuck in a trust at the time, but they knew where they were.

02:42:34.000 And this couple wrote a letter to Goldman's chairman, none other than Henry Paulson at the time, 2003, and it took three years before a sort of an obscure Goldman's subsidiary acknowledged at a court hearing that, yes, Goldman held their mortgage.

02:42:51.000 And then it took another three years until just a couple months ago, they finally got a concession from Goldman.

02:42:58.000 Goldman gave them a new mortgage at 5% interest.

02:43:01.000 Now, this couple, it was a novel case because they had some claims, some investment loss claims against Goldman and some other Wall Street firms, and Goldman settled up with them.

02:43:09.000 But the question is, how could Goldman Yeah, how can you?

02:43:17.000 Well, I mean, I've got a mortgage, and over the years it's been sold, I think, five times, and then I would have them threatening me over escrow money, and I'd say, I paid that bank, and then they wouldn't say who bought it.

02:43:30.000 Well, another company now has it.

02:43:32.000 Send your check here.

02:43:33.000 Send your check there.

02:43:35.000 Make your wireless payment here.

02:43:36.000 Make your wireless payment there.

02:43:38.000 And then I read about It's been on CNN where people actually own a house, but then they say paperwork wasn't filed right, and so banks come in and start repossessing.

02:43:50.000 I mean, this is crazy!

02:43:53.000 It's a very common problem.

02:43:54.000 A lot of these Wall Street firms did not always file papers with the local registrar of deeds.

02:44:02.000 It's called an assignment of mortgage, and it makes clear who the mortgage holder is.

02:44:06.000 And a lot of times they didn't file these papers properly, so Many people, when they try to modify their mortgage or refinance or whatever, they run into all kinds of problems because they can't figure out, you know, the title companies.

02:44:18.000 They want to know who has the mortgage.

02:44:20.000 Who are we paying off?

02:44:21.000 How are they going to get a payoff figure if you can't even figure out who owns the mortgage?

02:44:26.000 And it just goes on and on and on, and instead of more transparency, it looks like we're Looks like we're getting less.

02:44:33.000 Well, I guess we're going to see more in this series, or are you done writing about Goldman Sachs for now?

02:44:38.000 We've got a lot of leads in response to this series.

02:44:41.000 We'll see if any of them turn fruitful, but I'm following a number of them right now, trying to see where they go.

02:44:48.000 We'll see if we can chin up some good follow stories.

02:44:53.000 Okay, Greg Gordon with McClatchy Newspapers, award-winning investigative journalist, and I mean award-winning, breaking so many important and seminal news stories.

02:45:01.000 Thank you so much for spending time with us.

02:45:03.000 We've been honored.

02:45:04.000 Same here.

02:45:05.000 Thank you very much, Alex.

02:45:06.000 Thank you.

02:45:07.000 There he goes.

02:45:07.000 Take care.

02:45:08.000 I'm gonna take some final calls here at the end of the show and get into the shooting news.

02:45:11.000 They're still chasing the guy around in Florida.

02:45:15.000 We've got his name.

02:45:16.000 It's up on InfoWars and Prison Planet.

02:45:18.000 Reportedly blasted eight people.

02:45:21.000 You've got this Well, she's guaranteed to be a Prozac head psychiatrist at Fort Hood. 0.99

02:45:26.000 They're trying to spin into terrorism.

02:45:29.000 It could be that.

02:45:30.000 Could be a staged event.

02:45:32.000 We'll find out later, as Bob Chapman said.

02:45:34.000 It is too early right now for me to sit here and tell you that I have any idea what's going on.

02:45:41.000 I'll tell you this, it stinks to high heaven.

02:45:43.000 My nose is rarely wrong.

02:45:49.000 And it's telling me that this stinks bad.

02:45:52.000 And if we keep seeing more shootings, and they turn out to be on drugs, or turn out to be army psychiatrists, or... It's just very, very suspicious right now, and we are looking at that in detail.

02:46:09.000 Meanwhile, we've got distractions in and around this story.

02:46:13.000 The big talk on the fake conservative stations, you know, they don't want to talk about the Global Carbon Tax Treaty, they don't want to talk about All the really serious issues, or how the Republicans are in bed with Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan and the private Federal Reserve just as much as Obama.

02:46:29.000 No, they're all, oh, we're the conservatives, we'll be back in power in the next year and a half in Congress and we'll fix it all.

02:46:35.000 Yeah, let's see if that happens when they get in.

02:46:38.000 Just like, we'll see if it happens when Obama got in.

02:46:41.000 And then when I'm attacking the Republican Congress in a year and a half when they get control of the House, which they're probably going to do, I'll be called a commie again. 0.97

02:46:51.000 I'm being called a right-wing extremist right now because I don't like the political whore that reads off a teleprompter who's Barack Obama. 0.97

02:46:59.000 No, I'm a constitutionalist. 0.99

02:47:00.000 I'm a truth teller.

02:47:02.000 I'm somebody that just tells the truth, lets the chips fall where they may, we make a mistake, we admit it, we're right, we trumpet it, we're here.

02:47:11.000 You can judge us by our track record, by the fruits of what we produce, what we create, what we do. 0.99

02:47:18.000 But this Indignation of the citizenry getting mad, having their political angers dissipated like a steam valve on ridiculous crap. 0.96

02:47:28.000 Obama's giving a speech yesterday, they load his teleprompter, I've gone and pulled the video up, with prepared remarks. 0.98

02:47:37.000 He reads off the... I'm not defending Obama, but I'm not going to spend all day on some puppet and ask the listeners, what do you think of Obama not caring about the troops?

02:47:48.000 What do you think of Obama being disrespectful to him?

02:47:53.000 That's a mind game the media is playing with you.

02:47:55.000 This guy gets up there, reads off a teleprompter, says, oh, our hearts go out to everybody who was hurt.

02:48:03.000 You know, after he thanks the Congressional Medal of Honor winner and thanks the people that are there, two minutes in, he talks about the shooting as if he's the president, as if he's running anything.

02:48:14.000 It's all about, it's Obama, and everything stops with Obama, and Obama really runs things.

02:48:20.000 That way, in three to seven years, whenever he leaves office, whether he's one term or two, it can all be blamed on him.

02:48:32.000 And then we'll get another fake right-winger. 0.99

02:48:35.000 And then in four to eight years, it can all be blamed on him again.

02:48:38.000 And then we'll get another Democrat. 0.97

02:48:40.000 And then we can build them up and tear them down and make it all about how they're making the decision.

02:48:46.000 Obama's making the decision on whether to increase troops in Afghanistan.

02:48:51.000 They've already sent in two groups of troops.

02:48:53.000 They've increased it.

02:48:55.000 Right at 40,000 more.

02:48:56.000 But they make it all about a debate.

02:48:58.000 Will there be more after that?

02:48:59.000 And what decision will he make?

02:49:02.000 Will he make the right decision?

02:49:03.000 It's just all a big theater game.

02:49:07.000 No doubt about it.

02:49:09.000 It means nothing.

02:49:14.000 It means absolutely nothing.

02:49:18.000 Did the media make a big deal about it when Obama's controllers six months ago wanted to make veterans pay for their own medical care?

02:49:26.000 No.

02:49:28.000 Because the establishment doesn't care about the veterans, they're scared of the veterans.

02:49:31.000 They don't like you.

02:49:33.000 They use fake patriotism to control you.

02:49:36.000 That's why they're banning a lot of veterans from owning guns.

02:49:39.000 Are veterans with guns dangerous? 0.67

02:49:40.000 You bet they are.

02:49:41.000 Some are dangerous to criminals, some are dangerous to their wives and kids.

02:49:45.000 That's just the way it is to be an empire, with a bunch of trained killers coming back and living amongst us.

02:49:51.000 You don't take my guns because a bunch of trained killers may go crazy at any minute.

02:49:58.000 And you sure don't blame the whole military because a small percentage of them are going to go cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and fly over the cuckoo nest.

02:50:07.000 That's why I've got my guns. 0.98

02:50:09.000 Some crazy vet goes running around trying to shoot a bunch of people. 0.99

02:50:12.000 I'm going to go out and deal with them. 0.99

02:50:15.000 It's not because I'm macho or tough, folks.

02:50:16.000 It's what you're supposed to do! 0.99

02:50:18.000 I don't know how they turned this country into a bunch of cowards. 0.99

02:50:21.000 And how it's amazing that this female cop went and shot this reported lunatic four times, didn't kill him. 0.99

02:50:27.000 They said he killed him for six hours. 0.91

02:50:29.000 And they're all marveling that a cop would just run in and shoot somebody.

02:50:32.000 What do you think cops did 20, 30 years ago? 0.99

02:50:36.000 They didn't need all the gear and all the crap. 0.99

02:50:40.000 But a woman is now tougher than the average cop. 1.00

02:50:43.000 And I just don't even know what to say about it anymore.

02:50:46.000 Again, it makes my head spin that at every other major shooting, two, three, four hours, they make the cops wait while the shooter runs around killing everybody.

02:50:56.000 I guess the feds give that order so the kill rate's higher.

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02:52:14.000 I have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.

02:52:20.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.

02:52:26.000 For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.

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02:54:00.000 All right, let's jam in a few final calls here. let's jam in a few final calls here.

02:54:19.000 I'll be back live Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

02:54:23.000 Central Standard Time Live.

02:54:29.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Mark in Texas.

02:54:32.000 Mark, you're on the air.

02:54:34.000 Hi Alex, long time listener here.

02:54:36.000 I just want to pass on my observations at the official Countdown to Judgment Day Tea Party Tour Rally.

02:54:42.000 After attending the Abilene Rally this morning and hearing just a few of their host speakers, it appears that the Tea Party movement's been hijacked.

02:54:48.000 Big money Republican agents who are pushing the pro-military, pro-war agenda of the old Bush neocon regime.

02:54:54.000 They have speakers promoting U.S.

02:54:56.000 aggression against radical Islam terror and the main guy running the Tea Party Tour is pushing his book which supports the neocon fallacy of a total Islamic attack on 9-11. 0.90

02:55:04.000 The majority of this Abilene crowd does not know your work, and if you mention 9-11 was an inch-high job, they spit in your face, and they spit in my face today, and consider you an Abominoid.

02:55:13.000 I made the mistake of passing out terror storm flyers about false flag terror, but these area veterans and local Dias Air Force Base folks can't accept that the U.S.

02:55:21.000 military has been hijacked.

02:55:22.000 The Tea Party Tour will not have speakers who expose the New World Order and that the elite insiders are behind 9-11.

02:55:29.000 They demonized Cindy Sheehan and the Abilene crowd booed her when her name was mentioned. 1.00

02:55:35.000 They never speak of the phrase New World Order.

02:55:37.000 This Tea Party Caravan is headed to Austin at 5 o'clock where you're at today.

02:55:41.000 You need to be there and push 9-11 Truth. 0.90

02:55:45.000 Absolutely.

02:55:46.000 I mean, what's happened is, this is what Glenn Beck's for.

02:55:50.000 He guides and takes the Ron Paul revolution, and he's taken it over.

02:55:55.000 Only by Ron Paul coming out public, not attacking Beck and others, but stating the true principles, can we take control of it back.

02:56:03.000 But, I mean, this is why the elite are in power.

02:56:04.000 They know how to control the left.

02:56:07.000 Obama was meant to take control of that.

02:56:09.000 Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh create a fake clone on the right.

02:56:13.000 Two wings on the same bird, and again, the mainline Tea Party people, there is no New World Order, the carbon tax isn't global government, Glenn Beck a few weeks ago attacked the British Lord that came out and said global government.

02:56:29.000 I mean, come on, Glenn!

02:56:30.000 So see, he does that at key points, he admits things that are true, and then goes back on them.

02:56:37.000 That's why I like Lou Dobbs a lot better.

02:56:38.000 I mean, he doesn't go as far as back on some issues, but he's consistent and isn't involved in backstabbing that I've seen.

02:56:45.000 And that's why his house is getting shot up.

02:56:47.000 But I appreciate your call.

02:56:49.000 Look, it's not going to matter if they take over the Tea Parties. 1.00

02:56:52.000 People are finding out about world government.

02:56:54.000 The economy's collapsing.

02:56:56.000 We're there educating people about the real threat.

02:56:59.000 The best film to give a Neocon-oid who are the real Obama supporters. 1.00

02:57:04.000 The Bush people just held over into Obama.

02:57:07.000 They should love Obama.

02:57:08.000 He's keeping all the neocons in the Defense Department.

02:57:11.000 Give them, follow the Republic.

02:57:12.000 This shatters the left-right paradigm.

02:57:14.000 They've never been exposed to this.

02:57:17.000 They're like They're like blind people who've never seen... trying to describe something to them. 1.00

02:57:23.000 They're trying to describe the way the seashore looks.

02:57:26.000 They've never seen.

02:57:27.000 They can't interface.

02:57:29.000 They can't understand.

02:57:30.000 They can't begin to even realize what we're trying to say to them.

02:57:34.000 If you just argue with them, they think, You're a liberal!

02:57:37.000 You're a commie!

02:57:38.000 Don't give me Mao Zedong!

02:57:39.000 You know, they don't want to hear Bush triple the size of government.

02:57:43.000 They want to believe the lie.

02:57:46.000 But if you say, hey, this film exposes Obama, which it does, but it also exposes Bush and the whole agenda, watch this!

02:57:53.000 That's why Ted's gonna run some ads on national radio for the neocons, because we need to deprogram these people and the left.

02:57:59.000 This film is meant to deprogram people in the controlled left-right paradigm who think that inside the box, you know, inside this little contained area, that's the whole world.

02:58:09.000 We're gonna go, no, look for yourself, it's much bigger!

02:58:15.000 It's much more sophisticated.

02:58:17.000 And a lot of them won't wake up now, but they'll wake up later, because this is gonna get really bad.

02:58:22.000 So again, folks, get Follow the Republic at InfoWars.com or call toll-free 888-253-3139.

02:58:28.000 Or watch it in super high quality at PrisonPlanet.tv.

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02:58:36.000 Link up on InfoWars.com.

02:58:37.000 Get involved in the contest.

02:58:39.000 Incredible job, crew, this week.

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02:58:52.000 Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.

02:58:56.000 This is our last chance to not relive history.

02:58:59.000 As they're finishing off this agenda, they'll be pulling the rug from underneath the Americans at home.

02:59:04.000 We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.

02:59:10.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us Tim Geithner, Bernanke, they're arsonists!

02:59:15.000 They're asking for more matches!

02:59:16.000 The fall of the republic identifies the enemies of our nation.

02:59:19.000 The criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.

02:59:26.000 Tim Geithner, Bernanke, they're arsonists.

02:59:28.000 They're asking for more matches.

02:59:29.000 And the Congress is saying, who do we make the checkout to?

02:59:32.000 Today, it seems like nobody does care.

02:59:34.000 And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen a fall of the republic.

02:59:39.000 Get your copy of Fall of the Republic on DVD at InfoWars.com or watch it online right now in super high quality at PrisonPlanet.tv.

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03:00:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

03:00:25.000 We're live, ladies and gentlemen, for the next 45 minutes.

03:00:28.000 John Ronson joins us.

03:00:32.000 Coming up, I'm going to play you a little sneak peek from Jesse Ventura's new television show coming up in December and January.

03:00:40.000 John Ronson is a writer and documentary filmmaker.

03:00:43.000 His books, Them Adventures with Extremist, that's, I'm in that one, and The Men Who Stare at Goats were international bestsellers.

03:00:50.000 The Men Who Stare at Goats have been turned into major motion pictures starring George Clooney, Ewan McGregor, Kevin Spacey, Jeff Bridges.

03:00:57.000 He also is the author of two Collections, Out of the Ordinary, True Tales and Everyday Craziness, and What I Do, More True Tales of Everyday Crazies.

03:01:08.000 He's written the popular Human Zoo and Out of the Ordinary columns for The Guardian, where he still contributes features.

03:01:14.000 He currently writes and presents to Sony-nominated BBC Radio 4 series John Ronson On.

03:01:21.000 And he also produced Secret Rulers of the World, a multi-award-winning documentary, five-part documentary that I'm also in.

03:01:30.000 And his most recent documentaries are Revered Death Channel 4, Citizen Kubrick, and Robbie Williams and John Ronson's Journey to the Other Side, Radio 4.

03:01:40.000 In the U.S., he is the contributor to Public Radio International's This American Life, JohnRonson.com.

03:01:47.000 John Ronson joining us via Skype for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.

03:01:51.000 It's good to have you here, John.

03:01:53.000 Hey, Alex.

03:01:54.000 It's good to hear from you again.

03:01:56.000 Where are you joining us from?

03:01:58.000 I am joining you from London.

03:02:00.000 I'm a bit, I'm a bit trepidatious about this interview because I'm always worried about where it's gonna go, but I'm gonna, but it's great to hear from you again.

03:02:08.000 You know, we had this amazing adventure, what, when was it?

03:02:10.000 Back in the year 2000, where we snuck into Bohemian Grove together.

03:02:15.000 Yes, yes, and then I wasn't supposed to talk about how you later went in there for liability purposes, and then people asked me later, well why is John Ronson saying he also snuck in?

03:02:26.000 So they thought that, but I guess that's a journalistic issue of you guys snuck in later that day, that evening after I went in, and then I wasn't supposed to talk about that, and then later you did talk about that, and that became quite a big question out there for people.

03:02:41.000 Yeah, no, I was worried at the time, speaking completely frankly, that if I admitted that I snuck in and trespassed, we might have trouble getting our documentary on television.

03:02:52.000 Yeah, because of the way that we, you know, went about gathering the material.

03:02:55.000 So I just kind of kept quiet about it.

03:02:58.000 But then when my book came out, when them came out, I did admit going in.

03:03:02.000 But of course, to this day, To this day, there's loads of people who think that I didn't go into Bohemian Grove and I faked the whole thing.

03:03:08.000 You know, including people on Prison Planet, you know, on the forum and so on.

03:03:12.000 Well, don't feel bad, John, because people think I, A, didn't sneak in, or B, that they let us in.

03:03:19.000 But no, we did indeed.

03:03:20.000 I separately snuck in, then later that day, you reportedly snuck in there.

03:03:25.000 And I did see you about 100 yards away and wave at you.

03:03:29.000 Yeah, absolutely.

03:03:30.000 In fact, we walked past each other when we were surrounded by all that kind of strange, devil-y iconography and all those kind of, you know, owl sculptures.

03:03:39.000 And, you know, we walked past each other basically, you know, just keep walking, just keep walking.

03:03:44.000 It was a mad night.

03:03:45.000 I still look back on that as being one of the, probably the strangest nights of my life.

03:03:50.000 And one of the most enjoyable.

03:03:52.000 Well, I think one of the big issues here is folks can't believe that I was able to sneak in and shoot that footage that you use in your television program.

03:04:01.000 Because so many other people got caught, got busted.

03:04:04.000 But every time you read about a CBS News reporter, or a People Magazine reporter, or Vanity Fair, they walk up to people and start asking reporter questions.

03:04:13.000 What do they think's gonna happen?

03:04:16.000 There is a weirdness though to us getting in because we both knew that in the days preceding our arrival there were kind of FBI guys all over the local town and so on.

03:04:27.000 But by the time we arrived they'd all cleaned out and we did.

03:04:31.000 We just walked in very easily.

03:04:32.000 I walked up the drive giving the security guard a kind of I rule the world, Wade, you know, wearing preppy clothes.

03:04:38.000 And you went in through the undergrowth, but we both got in incredibly easily.

03:04:42.000 My guess is that these days, you know, since your documentary and my book and documentary, it's going to be a lot harder to get into bohemian growth.

03:04:49.000 But, you know, maybe we spoiled the party for any other... I believe we have.

03:04:53.000 In fact, they've reported that the security is out the wazoo now.

03:04:56.000 John Rawlinson, stay with us.

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03:08:08.000 John Ronson is our guest, documentary filmmaker, worldwide best-selling author.

03:08:19.000 Both of his best-selling books got option to make films.

03:08:23.000 One of them, Men Who Stare at Goats, is now in theaters.

03:08:27.000 One of the number one movies out there in the world to the top three.

03:08:32.000 The second book, the first in the series, Them, that I'm a big part of, got optioned to be turned into a movie, and that's probably still gonna happen.

03:08:40.000 We will talk to John Ronson about that before he leaves us.

03:08:44.000 But for stations that just joined us on the radio, he's also simulcasting at PrisonPlanet.TV.

03:08:50.000 For the viewers joining us from London, During the break, we were talking about Bohemian Grove.

03:08:56.000 He's getting interviewed for Jesse Ventura's TV show, one of the last interviews they're doing on Skull & Bones, on Bohemian Grove, on Bilderberg.

03:09:04.000 Because he has a differing view than I do, but not that big of a view change. 0.88

03:09:10.000 You know, the thing we really agree on is, you know, I thought what I saw was kind of stupid, and you thought what we saw inside Bohemian Grove was, you know, proofs of Satanism and so on, and I didn't.

03:09:22.000 But what we agree on is that the participants in the ritual at Bohemian Grove seem to take it really seriously, and that's a really interesting question. 0.94

03:09:32.000 Yes, you were there in the crowd as they were engaging in the mock human sacrifice, the effigy of a boy.

03:09:38.000 And, I mean, were the old men not grinding their teeth and making sexual pleasure noises? 0.99

03:09:45.000 Were they not in a raptured state?

03:09:49.000 Well they did seem to, I don't know if I'd use those exact words, I didn't think had a sexual pleasure or so, but they did seem to be like really into it, you know, like really intense about it and you noticed that and I noticed that and And it was strange that I came away thinking, you know, frankly, that I was the most sane person in the entire Redwood Forest.

03:10:12.000 Because I didn't agree with you and Mike's interpretation of the ceremony, but also I could see that, you know, the participants were taking it just as seriously as you were.

03:10:22.000 And I did find that very odd.

03:10:24.000 And in fact, that was the kind of germ of the idea, you know, this idea of kind of Bubbles of craziness at the house of power that eventually led on to me writing the monastery goats You know really the monastery goats has kind of began to form in my mind that nice when we were at Bohemian Grove Well, I mean from from from meeting you out at Waco more than 10 years ago to today I've seen you in BBC and CNN interviews and

03:10:52.000 That you've changed your views, because ten years ago you'd laugh, there was no global government, there was no secret room, there wasn't a plan, and then three or four years later I'd see you say, no there really is a Bilderberg Group, they really do want a world government.

03:11:07.000 But you can differ on what their plans are or argue about are they really in control.

03:11:11.000 Now they're openly announcing a global carbon tax, a world government, we're going to pay our taxes to a private bank of the world.

03:11:19.000 They have the Framework Convention on Climate Change.

03:11:22.000 They're saying Al Gore is a prophet and that his new movie is about how it's a global religion of the earth.

03:11:30.000 And, I mean, John, a lot has changed.

03:11:33.000 What's your view now on the New World Order?

03:11:35.000 Does it still not exist?

03:11:37.000 Well, I mean, what you're saying now about kind of what stuff might have leaked out of, you know, recent Bilderberg meetings, I don't know.

03:11:44.000 I've not read the minutes of the last few years' meetings, so I can't comment on that.

03:11:49.000 But the reason why I said that I felt that, you know, their agenda was to an extent a creation of world government is because that's what one of the founding members of the Bilderberg group said to me on the record.

03:12:01.000 It was Dennis Healey, Lord Healey, who was one of the first people to set up Bilderberg.

03:12:07.000 And he said, to say that we were striving for a world government is exaggerated but not wholly unfair.

03:12:14.000 Those are his actual words.

03:12:16.000 He said, because basically, you know, Bilderberg was set up Post-Second World War, and they saw that, you know, the last thing the world needed was a politician who was too much of an ideologue.

03:12:27.000 You know, they didn't want any more Hitlers, so they kind of figured a world government where politics wasn't really in the hands of politicians, it was much more about the flow of capital. 0.94

03:12:37.000 You know, that seemed to have been the reason why Bilderberg as a kind of centrist, globalist thing was set up.

03:12:44.000 So yeah, so there we are not in disagreement either.

03:12:47.000 But John, I mean the mainstream media still out of one side of their mouth says there's no such thing as a world government and then out of the other side of their mouth they say yes it's a great thing and it's going to be non-democratic and authoritarian because we the wise men know best, i.e.

03:13:03.000 Financial Times of London headline and now for world government.

03:13:06.000 I mean here is the New York Times two weeks ago, Ban Ki-moon and it says Ban Ki-moon, Again, is the author of this and he went on to say in the article that global government is what we need.

03:13:26.000 He goes on in the article to say one world government is what we need and that carbon taxes will be the funding mechanism for this.

03:13:34.000 I mean, this is authoritarian.

03:13:36.000 This is unelected.

03:13:37.000 This system is not democratic and you find out the very same wise men that created Hitler and created Mussolini are the very wise men that created Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, or their sons did. 0.83

03:13:52.000 Well, my theory about Bilderberg is that their vision back in the early 1950s, post the Second World War, was in their minds quite idealistic.

03:14:01.000 They thought that a safer way of running the world, having just lived through Mussolini and Hitler, a safer way would be to de-ideologue the politicians and to put power in the hands of business.

03:14:16.000 Because businessmen only care about the flow of money, they don't care about politics and ideologies.

03:14:22.000 But of course, what the last 50 years has taught us is that CEOs can be just as corrupt as politicians and frequently are.

03:14:29.000 So that's my view on Bilderberg, is that it was an idealistic vision, which like all idealistic visions went wrong.

03:14:36.000 - Well, have you read where it's been declassified now that Hitler was on MI5 payroll and so was Mussolini? - I don't know anything about that.

03:14:46.000 I can't comment on that because I know nothing about it.

03:14:49.000 I'd be interested in reading the link.

03:14:51.000 Yeah, that's London Guardian, which you write for, Times of London.

03:14:55.000 I mean, we already knew this from Milner Group declassified documents.

03:15:01.000 But yeah, no.

03:15:03.000 Well, I mean, you know about Edward VIII being a Nazi, right? 0.87

03:15:07.000 Well, yeah, I mean, there's no question that a whole load of the, you know, ruling gentry of Britain during the rise of the Nazi party, you know, loved the Nazis and they were constantly inviting the Nazis out for the British ruling classes and, you know, putting them up for tea and, you know, there's a wonderful novel about that called The Remains of the Day. 0.79

03:15:25.000 So, you know, there's no question that that was going on.

03:15:28.000 Uh, you know, the McPherds.

03:15:29.000 I can't remember which McPherders it was in.

03:15:31.000 Well, what happened is, the British said, you go ahead and attack, we're gonna back you, and then they flip-flopped at the end, and that's why the Deputy Fuhrer flew over Rudolf Hess and got captured.

03:15:41.000 The issue is, John, it's all been declassified now, and it was all staged.

03:15:46.000 Hitler was set up. 0.96

03:15:48.000 So, this corporate group of bankers that set up Bilderberg, Prince Bernhard the Nazi and all the rest of them, this is all a big giant joke.

03:15:57.000 I mean, you know about Prince Philip and all his calls for eugenics.

03:16:01.000 I mean, you've certainly heard those statements.

03:16:03.000 I mean, have you read the White House Science Czar's own publication, Ecoscience, calling for putting poison in the water to sterilize us?

03:16:10.000 Have you seen this, John?

03:16:12.000 I know nothing about that.

03:16:15.000 And also, you know, I firmly believe that, you know, we know that some of the founders of the Bilderberg Group, you know, did have Nazi ties.

03:16:25.000 I think it was...

03:16:27.000 I think it was Prince Bernard.

03:16:30.000 Was it Joseph Retting as well?

03:16:31.000 Yes, yes.

03:16:32.000 But my personal view, and this is the kind of non-conspiratorial view, is that that's not an important fact.

03:16:39.000 And the important fact was that these were people who were kind of idealistic globalists.

03:16:45.000 But hold on, Bilderberg has released 1954 documents from their founding.

03:16:50.000 After all these years saying they didn't exist, where they said, we're going to create a European Union, we're going to create a global government.

03:16:55.000 I mean, this whole time they've been lying about it, and then now, at the final moment, they spring it on the public.

03:17:04.000 Well, that's interesting.

03:17:05.000 That would be interesting to read, definitely.

03:17:07.000 I mean, that doesn't surprise me, the idea that, you know, that a single currency and a European Union was kind of high on Bilderberg's agenda back in the 50s.

03:17:15.000 That doesn't surprise me at all.

03:17:16.000 All right, well, instead of Instead of Alex Jones barking questions at John Ronson at JohnRonson.com, let's start getting into the men who stare at goats.

03:17:28.000 That was the sequel to them, I guess.

03:17:31.000 International bestseller, in paperback all over the world right now.

03:17:35.000 The movie is out, doing very well.

03:17:38.000 What was the research you did on the book, A, and how accurate to the book is the film?

03:17:44.000 Right, OK.

03:17:45.000 Well, I mean, as I said, I think the book really began, even though I didn't realise it, that night when you and I were together in Bohemian Grove, because it did really... You know, you and I couldn't have interpreted, you know, the ritual differently, that we saw at Bohemian Grove.

03:17:59.000 We had a completely different view.

03:18:00.000 But the one thing we agreed on was that the participants, these men of wealth and power, seemed to be, like, really into it.

03:18:07.000 And I thought to myself, you know, my God, you know, this is not how I would spend my summer vacation, having a mock human sacrifice in the forests of Northern California.

03:18:16.000 It seemed like a very weird thing.

03:18:18.000 And so I thought, well, you know, what other weirdness, what other irrationality can be found in the corridors of power?

03:18:25.000 So the first thing I did was, with my producer John Sergent, was kind of look into remote viewing.

03:18:31.000 There was something kind of tangible that was out there a little bit.

03:18:34.000 And post 9-11, I met Yuri Geller.

03:18:39.000 You know, Yuri Geller with the spoon bending and so on.

03:18:41.000 And he'd always claimed to have been a secret psychic spy working for the CIA.

03:18:44.000 And kind of nobody believed him because they sort of figured that The CIA wouldn't do that.

03:18:50.000 So, post 9-11, they thought that the CIA was sensible.

03:18:53.000 You know, we may be nuts, but the CIA is surely sensible.

03:18:56.000 So, post 9-11, I met Yuri Geller and he said to me, he was very mysterious, and finally he took off his dark glasses and he said to me, if you repeat what I'm about to tell you, I will deny it.

03:19:08.000 And I said, okay.

03:19:10.000 And he said, I have been reactivated.

03:19:14.000 And I said, By who?

03:19:16.000 I'm not going to tell you.

03:19:18.000 Okay, I'll tell you just one thing.

03:19:20.000 The man who reactivated me is called Ron.

03:19:25.000 I went off on a journey to try and find Ron.

03:19:28.000 And I never found Ron, although I've got a suspicion that he probably was.

03:19:32.000 But on the way to finding Ron, I met... Tell me how long I can go on, because this is the story that I can go on for hours.

03:19:37.000 No, no, I want to hear it!

03:19:38.000 John Ronson, when we come back.

03:19:39.000 I mean, obviously, you are the reporter in the big movie out in theatres right now.

03:19:45.000 Obi-Wan Kenobi plays you.

03:19:46.000 I know, how about that?

03:19:50.000 As you can probably, as the people watching the Skype can probably tell, it's very appropriate because when I look Mr. Leal, there is a Ewan McGred in this tonight.

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03:24:00.000 John Ronson joining us from London.

03:24:14.000 Coming out of the next break, I'm going to play the trailer for The Men Who Stare at Goats.

03:24:19.000 So, you were getting into the story, which is shown in the movie, of where you're meeting with the former Black Ops commander, and he's saying, so you were a psychic soldier, and he says, yes, Jedi warriors.

03:24:32.000 Please continue, John Ronson.

03:24:34.000 Yeah, well, basically, what we discovered through our research, that the remote viewers, which I'm sure loads of you listeners know about, you know, the team of psychic spies, were really just the tip of an iceberg.

03:24:45.000 And the iceberg was mainly this thing called remote influencing.

03:24:49.000 And I first got to hear about this when I was in Hawaii, interviewing a man called Glenn Wheaton, who said he was part of a secret unit called Project Jedi.

03:24:58.000 And I said, what's Project Jedi?

03:24:59.000 And he said, well, it's a series of levels.

03:25:01.000 He said, Level 1, teaching the soldier to eat only nuts and grains for a month.

03:25:06.000 And I said, OK, what was Level 2?

03:25:08.000 He said, Level 2 was invisibility.

03:25:11.000 And I said, well, that's quite the leap from Level 1.

03:25:14.000 And I said, well, actual invisibility?

03:25:16.000 And he said, well, yes.

03:25:17.000 But after a while, we adapted it to just trying to find a way of not being seen.

03:25:21.000 And I said, like camouflage?

03:25:23.000 And he went, no.

03:25:24.000 And I said, what was Level 3?

03:25:25.000 And he said, Level 3 was intuition.

03:25:27.000 You come to a fork in the road, you go left, you go right, you go right.

03:25:30.000 And I said, what was level four?

03:25:31.000 And he said, level four was stopping the heart of a goat.

03:25:35.000 Just by wanting the goat's heart to stop.

03:25:39.000 So really it was this one interview with Glenn Wheaton that opened up this whole secret world of military intelligence craziness where they really did have rooms full of goats and they brought in these martial arts guys to try and kill the goats just by staring at them and you know they say that from time to time a goat fell over but you know I

03:26:01.000 I think probably because it was suffering from some sort of pre-existing medical complaint or maybe was just kind of bored of being stared at for, you know, days on end by martial arts gurus from Ohio.

03:26:12.000 And then what the book, The Manister of Goats, goes on to do is really look at how some of these ideas didn't really die out but mutated and came alive again in the form of different types of interrogation techniques at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib and so on.

03:26:27.000 The movie's lighter and doesn't And doesn't go into these darker areas.

03:26:30.000 It's more comics.

03:26:32.000 Well, John, I want to continue from there.

03:26:34.000 We're talking to John Ronson.

03:26:35.000 JohnRonson.com.

03:26:37.000 He's the author of Men Who Stare at Goats and Them.

03:26:40.000 But expanding on that, John, you talk about tip of the iceberg.

03:26:46.000 I've been studying globalists, and if you went deeper down the rabbit hole, you would find that the reason those old men were getting so Upset or focused on the mock human sacrifice that you thought was silly?

03:27:03.000 Was because they understand it was all symbolized and was symbols of something much, much deeper.

03:27:11.000 And that all of this system is just simply the surface of something.

03:27:15.000 Look at Skull and Bones, that video ABC News got with them screaming and yelling and worshiping Satan and, you know, practice mock murders of young girls.

03:27:25.000 Look at... The Ron Rosenbaum video, right?

03:27:27.000 That was shot, like, across, you know, in a... Right, right, right, yeah.

03:27:31.000 But, I mean, that's my point, John, is that they take it serious because the real ritual was not the image of the boy being burned.

03:27:40.000 It was whatever happened behind those black curtains across the water.

03:27:45.000 That's when the old men really got upset and really started growling and breathing heavily next to me.

03:27:52.000 And it wasn't one or two or three or four.

03:27:54.000 The whole group around me were doing this.

03:27:56.000 Mike Hanson, who snuck in with me, witnessed it.

03:27:59.000 And so, I mean, I'm telling you, these people are out of their minds. 1.00

03:28:03.000 They're crazy. 1.00

03:28:04.000 And so you or I, normal people, look at this and it looks ridiculous. 1.00

03:28:08.000 This is not ridiculous to them.

03:28:11.000 Well, again, this is where I kind of agree and disagree with you, because where I disagree with you, because I'm not, you know, conspiratorial minded, is that I believe that what we saw at Bohemian Grove was all that was going on that night.

03:28:23.000 I don't believe there was anything going on behind the curtains.

03:28:26.000 However, where I do agree with you is that the people who go to Skull & Bones and go to Bohemian Grove do seem to be into this idea of ritual and symbolism.

03:28:37.000 I agree with you there.

03:28:39.000 And so you have to ask yourselves, well, why?

03:28:42.000 And one person, actually, who was involved with Skull & Bones said to me that The woman, she said, her interpretation of their kind of being intellectual was that it kind of gives you a sort of mandate, you know, sort of gives you a sense of superiority and a mandate to put yourself in a position of power.

03:29:00.000 And that's why these Ivy League universities, you know, do all this kind of stupid, crazy stuff and why these ideas live on in, you know, when they get into the business world in places like Bohemian Grove.

03:29:13.000 But I don't believe at all That what we saw was any kind of actual human sacrifice. 0.97

03:29:18.000 It was just a papier-mâché attitude.

03:29:20.000 Well, I'm not saying I believe an actual human sacrifice was going on.

03:29:24.000 I'm saying more was happening than meets the eye.

03:29:26.000 And think about your statement.

03:29:28.000 I don't believe anything was happening behind the curtain.

03:29:30.000 You know, that's kind of a philosophical worldview on the planet itself.

03:29:36.000 I believe there is something going on behind the curtain.

03:29:38.000 And nine times out of ten, when we pull the curtain back, The real show's going on behind the curtain, John Ronson.

03:29:45.000 I mean, look at how you wrote Menusterit Goats.

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03:33:00.000 My name is Bob Wilton.

03:33:05.000 I'm a journalist.

03:33:06.000 I've been investigating a story about a classified government program.

03:33:09.000 So what you're saying is that you were a psychic spy.

03:33:18.000 A Jedi warrior.

03:33:21.000 I'd heard that the U.S.

03:33:22.000 government was training psychic soldiers, and that Lynne Cassidy was the best of the best.

03:33:26.000 I've been reactivated.

03:33:28.000 I'm on a mission.

03:33:29.000 I could come.

03:33:30.000 Lynne's story was unbelievable, crazy, and completely true.

03:33:34.000 You have to dream a new America that no longer has an exploitative view of everyone.

03:33:41.000 You will be a psychic weapon!

03:33:43.000 Feel it!

03:33:44.000 Yeah!

03:33:45.000 You must create warrior monks who can pass through walls and see into the future.

03:33:52.000 Congratulations, Scotty.

03:33:53.000 Sorry it doesn't work out between you two.

03:33:57.000 What are you doing?

03:33:58.000 Cloudbursting.

03:33:59.000 Keeps me in shape.

03:34:01.000 And it's gone.

03:34:04.000 Jeez, you had like the whole desert to drive inland.

03:34:08.000 Please, please!

03:34:10.000 Thank you for, uh, for picking us up.

03:34:15.000 How are we gonna stop them?

03:34:16.000 They've got guns.

03:34:18.000 We're Jedi.

03:34:19.000 We don't fight with guns.

03:34:20.000 We fight with our minds.

03:34:24.000 Oh, man.

03:34:25.000 I went looking for a story, and my friend Lynn brought me an adventure. - It's okay, we're Americans!

03:34:51.000 We're here to help you!

03:34:53.000 What happened?

03:34:54.000 I think I just ran him over. 0.99

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03:35:00.000 Lieutenant Colonel Jango used funds from the project's black budget to procure prostitutes. 1.00

03:35:04.000 That's a lie! 0.92

03:35:05.000 And to get drugs for himself and his men. 0.92

03:35:09.000 Well, the hooker thing is definitely a lie.

03:35:11.000 All right, the Minister of Goats came out November 6th, doing quite well in movie theaters around the country.

03:35:22.000 And John Ronson's the big star.

03:35:23.000 He's the big reporter interviewing these guys.

03:35:26.000 Did you actually go to the Middle East and run over people?

03:35:29.000 I mean, did all of that happen?

03:35:31.000 No, that part didn't happen.

03:35:33.000 Pretty much everything else happened.

03:35:36.000 Peter Storner wrote the screenplay, kind of added a sort of buddy movie element to it.

03:35:41.000 But I didn't really kind of, you know, I didn't learn and grow much at all.

03:35:45.000 I was always a kind of bit of a cynic when it came to the existence of these paranormal powers.

03:35:50.000 So Peter made the Ewan McGregor character have kind of more adventures than I had in the Middle East.

03:35:55.000 But everything else in the movie is pretty good.

03:35:58.000 Well, I get the idea.

03:36:00.000 I meant to go see the movie this weekend when you agreed to do the interview, but I just didn't get around to it.

03:36:04.000 I do intend to go see it, but I get the idea from the trailers and some of the sneak peeks I've watched online.

03:36:10.000 And also, I've read the book, that the film makes fun of a lot of it, but also implies there could be something there.

03:36:18.000 Like, he is cloudbursting.

03:36:20.000 He is breaking up the clouds with his mind.

03:36:23.000 There are some delusionals here in Austin that go out on hilltops and think they're doing the same thing.

03:36:28.000 I mean, does the film imply that George Clooney really does kill this goat?

03:36:35.000 It doesn't really.

03:36:36.000 It kind of toys with us.

03:36:37.000 And I think that's something that's really nice about the film.

03:36:39.000 You know, when you read my book, when you read The Minister at Goat, you know, you know, that my idea is that none of this stuff worked at all.

03:36:46.000 But Peter kind of toys with the possibility that it works.

03:36:48.000 But I think in the end, you kind of think that the George Clooney character is a kind of bit of a Buzz Lightyear.

03:36:54.000 Yeah, as a radio DJ over here called Simon Mayo described him the other day.

03:36:58.000 You know, he thinks he has all these powers, but he doesn't.

03:37:01.000 So when you see in flashback the goat being stared at and then falling over, you don't believe that that necessarily actually happened.

03:37:08.000 You just believe that he believes that it happened.

03:37:11.000 So I think by and large, even though Grant Hesloff, the director of the film, is more inclined to believe in the paranormal than I am, you kind of come away thinking that it's probably not true.

03:37:24.000 But everybody's had dreams that come true or had premonitions of family dying or being hurt or maybe everybody I know has.

03:37:34.000 Mr. Ronson, are you saying you don't believe that there's any of this going on in the world?

03:37:38.000 Anything that we don't understand that's happening? 0.92

03:37:42.000 If I say, yeah, I don't believe that at all, I'm going to come over like the world's worst magic-sucking curmudgeon. 0.81

03:37:49.000 But that's sort of what I feel.

03:37:52.000 You know, I wish it weren't true.

03:37:53.000 I would love there to be these other levels that we could all, you know, go to, you know, especially when we die.

03:37:59.000 But I'm just not sure of it, Alex. 0.97

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03:38:03.000 That's me. 0.99

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03:38:08.000 Hey, you ran into David Icke!

03:38:11.000 Yeah, I saw him in the toilet queue at Heathrow Airport last week and, you know, like you, you know, neither you nor David Icke particularly liked my book then because it was anti-conspiratorial, but nonetheless it was just delightful to see David Icke and we practically gave each other a big hug and I sort of think, well, in the end, you know, we may kind of utterly disagree, but we had a kind of adventure together, just like I did with you at Bohemian Grove.

03:38:37.000 And in the end, as we kind of turn into old men, that's kind of the stuff that matters, right? - I guess we are getting older. - Yeah, and it's like, you know, so the fact that, you know, David Icke was very happy to see me, and I was happy to see him, and we kind of buried any political differences in, you know, and we kind of buried any political differences in, you know, differences in the outlook and the way the world works, and it was just really nice. - But

03:39:00.000 John, am I wrong in saying, though, you have, on, say, a scale of 1 to 10, we're 10, you're a 0, when it comes to believing conspiracy theories, that you've gone from like a 1 over to a 6 or 7?

03:39:12.000 I mean, from what I've seen of you on television, Or maybe that's the role you play when you're on mainstream TV because they're so dried out and stale that you look like a conspiracy theorist.

03:39:25.000 But when I see you on television, you seem to be admitting there's a world government forming and that there is some cover-ups and corruption.

03:39:33.000 I mean, you don't discount at all.

03:39:36.000 Well, there's nothing I've said, for instance, in the interview to you today that I, you know, regret.

03:39:39.000 I mean, you know, I know that that was Bilderberg's agenda, because one of the founders of the Bilderberg Group said it to me, that their original agenda was some form of world government, or certainly a kind of single community throughout the world.

03:39:52.000 And I agree with you, I completely disagree with you that the Bohemian Grove ritual proved that there was any kind of weird Satanism or anything kind of really dark and crazy going on.

03:40:01.000 But, you know, I agree that there was a weirdness there, that they were really, really into it in a way that, you know, I thought it was just nuts.

03:40:09.000 And, you know, what I really like about my book, The Monastery of Goats, is that it's sort of, I think both sides get something out of it.

03:40:16.000 You know, the sceptics like me get something out of it because it just shows how How buffoonish and absurd human behaviour can be.

03:40:23.000 Which is sort of an anti-conspiratorial thought, right?

03:40:25.000 Because conspiracy theorists need to believe that people are so brilliant and so Machiavellian that they can plot these amazing conspiracies.

03:40:33.000 But I think what the menasteric goat says is that no, people are just nuts trying to walk into walls and do all this kind of stuff.

03:40:39.000 However, conspiracy theorists like you, I'm also glad to say, like the menasteric goat, because it does show that there's stuff going on, as you said, behind the curtain.

03:40:49.000 But, just the term conspiracy theorist is been produced and is employed to automatically say this person can't prove what they're talking about.

03:41:00.000 I was called a conspiracy theorist 10 years ago by several newspapers for saying the Gulf of Tonkin was staged to get us into Vietnam.

03:41:07.000 It's now declassified.

03:41:09.000 It's now been declassified that the United States government created Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

03:41:14.000 You can call me a conspiracy theorist.

03:41:15.000 I said the carbon tax would be used to set up a world government and to fund it, and that it would come after a controlled economic collapse.

03:41:23.000 That's now mainstream news.

03:41:25.000 So I don't get into chupacabras and aliens and dimensional gates and things I can't prove, but then I get mixed in With the people that do cover things they can't prove.

03:41:37.000 But, you know, there's other conspiracy theorists that get hailed as our saviors.

03:41:42.000 Take the cover of Newsweek.

03:41:44.000 The Thinking Man's Thinking Man.

03:41:45.000 Al Gore's new plan for the planet.

03:41:48.000 A eco-prophet gets real.

03:41:52.000 And it goes into saying he's a prophet and his new film is about how it's a religion.

03:41:59.000 I happen to know there's not a consensus on man-made global warming.

03:42:02.000 I happen to know the majority of scientists say it's a fraud.

03:42:05.000 I happen to know carbon dioxide isn't a toxic waste.

03:42:10.000 And then ice core samples show that the Earth had much higher levels of carbon dioxide 200,000 years ago.

03:42:16.000 I happen to know that until four years ago, the ice caps of Mars were getting smaller.

03:42:22.000 They're now getting bigger because the sun just cooled off into one of the most dormant cycles ever recorded in 300 years.

03:42:29.000 So I'm not the conspiracy theorist because I track what NASA says and what climatologists says and common sense.

03:42:36.000 When Al Gore points a camera, At a polar bear and says polar bears can't swim, they're dying.

03:42:42.000 When they're the greatest land swimmer on Earth and hunt from the ice flows.

03:42:46.000 I know it's a lie. 0.99

03:42:47.000 When they say my SUV is melting ice caps on Mars and on the moons of Saturn and Jupiter, I know it's a load of crap. 0.50

03:42:55.000 Not just because I empirically know with the evidence, Al Gore and his people have written prospectuses up how this is all just a big business to hijack control the entire planet, John Ronson.

03:43:07.000 Well, I haven't, I haven't... I really can't get me to refute all of that in the space of about 30 seconds, Alex.

03:43:14.000 No, go ahead.

03:43:15.000 You have the floor.

03:43:15.000 No, I'm not going to... Can I ask you a completely different question?

03:43:18.000 Can polar bears swim?

03:43:19.000 I have a real problem with the 9-11 truth thing.

03:43:23.000 I'm one of those people.

03:43:24.000 Wait, wait.

03:43:25.000 Is that against your religion?

03:43:26.000 In your religion, if you're a fake greenie, do you believe that polar bears can swim? 1.00

03:43:33.000 Is the prophet wrong? 0.98

03:43:37.000 Are we going to have riots in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and London if I was to paint a picture of a bomb on his head?

03:43:46.000 There is only one prophet and there is only one God and his prophet is Al Gore?

03:43:51.000 Well, you know, Alex, I'm...

03:43:55.000 Okay, well, as always, your kind of art history is stunning.

03:43:59.000 And it's something that I find kind of quite amazing about you.

03:44:02.000 But I can't answer you.

03:44:03.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

03:44:04.000 And one of the reasons why I can't answer any of that stuff is because frankly Alex, I've been so busy with these other projects that I'm working on, I haven't really looked into the whole global warming denial movement and I just don't feel in any way equipped to talk about it.

03:44:16.000 The denial movement.

03:44:18.000 Okay, you brought up 9-11 truth.

03:44:19.000 What's your problem with that?

03:44:21.000 Just when you were saying all of that stuff, a little thought popped into my head and I've always wanted to know your response to this actually, so I'll ask you.

03:44:28.000 Built into the 9-11 truth belief is that, you know, the media, the mainstream media, people like me, just wouldn't be interested, you know, we just don't want to reveal the truth of the matter because we're all sort of part of the, you know, part of the conspiracy.

03:44:44.000 And I think if there was any evidence, if there was any clue that 9-11 was an inside job, Every single journalist in the world would just be jumping on that story.

03:44:53.000 Really?

03:44:54.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm absolutely certain of that because it would be the world's greatest story, you know?

03:44:59.000 Okay, so you're asking me a question?

03:45:01.000 Yeah, I'm asking the question, you know, it's impossible to rationally believe that every journalist in the world would have any kind of knowledge like that.

03:45:09.000 Okay, that's a false statement.

03:45:10.000 That's a false statement.

03:45:11.000 The establishment selects and promotes journalists in the controlled left and controlled right paradigm that already fit into the worldview and buy in to the official story and believe there's never anything behind curtains.

03:45:25.000 Okay.

03:45:27.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

03:45:28.000 There have been a lot of reporters that have gone public.

03:45:30.000 They've been ridiculed or fired, underwriting laboratories.

03:45:34.000 Kevin Ryan got fired, one of their chief engineers.

03:45:37.000 There are policemen on tape saying, get back, they're going to bring down seven.

03:45:41.000 The BBC reported Building 7 had fallen before it fell, then they lied and said they didn't say it, then they said it was an accident, then they admitted Reuters had given them that, just like the news media printed that Lee Harvey Oswald had been captured before his name was even out in Dallas.

03:45:58.000 They got the names wrong because of time zones in Asia.

03:46:02.000 That's confirmed.

03:46:04.000 When you look at NORAD standing down, when you look at the hijackers trained at U.S.

03:46:08.000 military bases, It actually was in AP Reuters, the San Jose Mercury News, that the head colonel over the head base said, look I trained hijackers at my base.

03:46:19.000 I don't know what happened, but these guys were working for the U.S.

03:46:23.000 government.

03:46:24.000 Okay?

03:46:25.000 So, I know a passport came out of one of the buildings unscathed and was found by the FBI in those hundreds of thousands of tons of wreckage.

03:46:33.000 I mean, come on, John.

03:46:35.000 Come on, John.

03:46:35.000 I mean, Gulf of Tonkin was staged.

03:46:37.000 It's not a conspiracy theory.

03:46:39.000 Operation Northwoods is declassified where the government planned 9-11 style attacks, Bubba.

03:46:44.000 All I'm saying is, look, six of the ten commissioners have said the entire thing was a fraud and a cover-up.

03:46:49.000 Why isn't that in the news more, John?

03:46:52.000 Granted, it's been in the Washington Post, but nothing ever happens.

03:46:56.000 Well, I sort of wish I hadn't brought up 9-11 again, because we've been, you know, the likes of me and the likes of you have been through this stuff a zillion times over the years.

03:47:03.000 But I still don't think you answered my original question, which is that, you know, I work within a world of the mainstream media, especially on the left.

03:47:10.000 And I know that journalists on the left and journalists on the right would win a Pulitzer the size of a building if they could somehow provide evidence.

03:47:18.000 OK, take Monvillian.

03:47:20.000 Take that Mombiot guy at The Guardian, one of your colleagues. 1.00

03:47:23.000 He writes articles a year ago saying, I'm a kook, there's no world government.

03:47:27.000 And then, he publishes and signs a letter from 200 top journalists calling for a one world government.

03:47:34.000 I mean, they're intellectually bankrupt, John.

03:47:36.000 I mean, you can't have it both ways.

03:47:40.000 World government's good.

03:47:42.000 World government doesn't exist.

03:47:45.000 I'm not saying you're doing that.

03:47:47.000 I mean, you'll at least admit they're saying it.

03:47:49.000 But if you were a good little globalist, you'd come on here and say, no, Alex doesn't exist, and then write a book about how great world government is.

03:47:57.000 Well, as I said earlier in the interview, my view about world government is that I think it was this kind of, you know, what they considered to be a kind of idealistic vision in the early 50s that sort of, you know, history shows has turned sour because What nobody expected was that CEOs would behave in a psychopathic and selfish and irrational way.

03:48:17.000 Oh, never, never that.

03:48:18.000 Hey, listen, in the time we got left, johnronson.com, and I'm going to try to twist your arm for five more minutes after this break, just the whole hour, because this is too great having you on.

03:48:26.000 I want you to be able to ask me some questions, too.

03:48:28.000 But did you get to meet George Clooney or Ewing McGregor or any of these great actors?

03:48:36.000 Yeah, I did, I did.

03:48:37.000 I went onto the set and watched them film it for a few days in Puerto Rico and then I went around the various premieres, you know, in Venice and Canada and London and Toronto and so yeah, I spent some time with them.

03:48:52.000 Pretty nice guys, I hear.

03:48:53.000 They all were.

03:48:57.000 Now, do they think it's ridiculous or do any of them buy into this stuff?

03:49:00.000 Well, um, I think the only person, well, the only two people I know who are like in the kind of core of the movie, who did believe in the paranormal stuff, uh, was Jeff Bridges.

03:49:10.000 I mean, he's, he's certainly a believer.

03:49:12.000 And he got on very well with Jim Channon, who's the real guy who he plays in the movie.

03:49:17.000 And Grant Hesloff, the director, he says even though he has never seen any paranormal stuff happening, you know, he wants to believe that it can.

03:49:26.000 And actually, I think a lot of the people who like the movie like it because it's got a sort of warm heart to it and it's got a humanity to it.

03:49:32.000 Whereas my book is a bit more sort of cynical.

03:49:35.000 Alright, shifting gears quickly in case you can't, because I know you've got family.

03:49:39.000 Hold over another five to finish up.

03:49:41.000 Tell me about them.

03:49:43.000 Oh, them?

03:49:44.000 You mean about the movie?

03:49:45.000 Yes.

03:49:46.000 Yeah, well, it got optioned, you know, back in about five years ago, same time as The Manistow Goats got optioned.

03:49:52.000 And, you know, as you know, nothing's really happened since.

03:49:55.000 And you know that Jack Black was attached to be in it.

03:50:00.000 But, you know, God knows, you know.

03:50:02.000 Edgar, who's supposed to be directing it, is directing another movie at the moment.

03:50:05.000 And I just hope that, you know, when he finishes his other movie, he turns his attention to the wonderful, you know, project that is then.

03:50:13.000 But, you know, I can't force him as much as I'd like to.

03:50:17.000 Well, I think the fact that one of your books has already been made into a major movie and doing quite well at the box office, I would hope that that would, because even though it's going to be a huge hit piece, I would like to know what they're writing.

03:50:29.000 I mean, if my character is going to be in there, and what great evil type of person I'm going to be in the movie Them, if that does happen.

03:50:37.000 Well, I think if it does happen and if there is a character in there that's kind of inspired by you, you will love it.

03:50:44.000 I think it will be a completely lovely portrayal.

03:50:47.000 Because, you know, movies, especially these kinds of movies, you know, they don't want to...

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03:54:05.000 You know, it's probably been five years since I've been on the radio with John Ronson.

03:54:10.000 I went on coast-to-coast AM work with him once.

03:54:13.000 We've got to have him back more often.

03:54:16.000 So, John, you're award-winning documentaries on TV, award-winning documentaries on radio, writing for The Guardian, writing for other big publications here in the U.S., two best-selling books.

03:54:28.000 Everything you do hits the zeitgeist.

03:54:31.000 What's coming up next for John Ronson?

03:54:34.000 Well, I'm writing another book, but I can't really talk about what it's about.

03:54:38.000 I'm worried that if too much If information gets disseminated then it's going to be hard for me to get, you know, access to things and so on.

03:54:46.000 But, you know, I'm writing a good new book.

03:54:48.000 Can I just say, at risk of setting you off on a very, very long monologue, can I just read out a tweet that I just got from somebody?

03:54:56.000 Sure.

03:54:57.000 Okay, actually, Monbiot was referring to a World Council to solve environmental issues, not a One World Government.

03:55:05.000 Who said that?

03:55:06.000 A tweeter who follows me called Socialist Sully.

03:55:10.000 Socialist Sully.

03:55:11.000 I guess that his tweeting name probably will put you off.

03:55:16.000 Look, look, look, here's the deal.

03:55:18.000 Bilderberg-controlled public.

03:55:20.000 They're laughing in the control room. 1.00

03:55:22.000 Look, I'm tired of the crap. 0.99

03:55:23.000 There's a world government being set up, and the same reporters that attack me then write articles saying how great it is. 0.99

03:55:30.000 And no, Mombiot said we need a world government to solve our problems.

03:55:34.000 And then this liberal, who's a fake, twists it and goes, he's not for world government, he's for a loving world government!

03:55:42.000 It's not loving.

03:55:43.000 Did you see the article?

03:55:45.000 That was written in the Financial Times of London, where it called for a tyrannical world government?

03:55:51.000 No, but God, that sounds like a very aggressive journalist.

03:55:55.000 Guys, pull it up!

03:55:56.000 Pull it up! 0.91

03:55:56.000 It's, it's, it's, and now for world government, ft.com. 0.91

03:56:02.000 Well, the Financial Times says it's time we had a tyrannical world government.

03:56:09.000 Sorry, my son is really laughing because that sounds like the most horrible article ever.

03:56:14.000 No, no, no, but he said, he said, yes, it's been secret.

03:56:17.000 Yes, we kept it secret from you.

03:56:19.000 It's called And Now For World Government by Gideon Raichman.

03:56:25.000 But he said, it's got to be authoritarian for your own good.

03:56:29.000 What's wrong with that?

03:56:32.000 By the way, I think he's one of the editors there.

03:56:35.000 I am interested, by the way, in the kind of notion of authoritarianism, and that is something I'm looking at in the new book.

03:56:40.000 You know, the idea that some people become kind of self-appointed, you know, mandators about how other people should and shouldn't behave.

03:56:46.000 Oh, like Al Gore?

03:56:48.000 Do you think Al Gore's saving us?

03:56:50.000 Well, I'm not looking into Al Gore, I'm looking into a kind of different field of expertise.

03:56:53.000 But, you know, this is an area that interests me.

03:56:56.000 It's interesting, Alex, the stuff that you're interested in, the stuff that I'm interested in, is often very, very similar, but we just cover it from different... we just cover it from different worldviews.

03:57:05.000 Hey, here it is.

03:57:06.000 It's Manifesto for a New World Order, George Monbiot.

03:57:10.000 But then... But then he writes articles saying none of it exists.

03:57:14.000 He thinks his readers are stupid. 1.00

03:57:16.000 He's like, it doesn't exist. 1.00

03:57:17.000 Stand down.

03:57:18.000 He's like, forward forces!

03:57:19.000 Take them down! 1.00

03:57:20.000 Poses, you're liberal!

03:57:21.000 It's ours!

03:57:22.000 The world is ours! 1.00

03:57:23.000 These scum don't know it! 1.00

03:57:24.000 I mean, it's unbelievable. 1.00

03:57:27.000 It's unbelievable, right?

03:57:29.000 Hey, here's Violet right here. 1.00

03:57:30.000 You want to come see Violet?

03:57:31.000 I hate Violet. 1.00

03:57:33.000 He was just talking about how much he likes you.

03:57:35.000 Honey, remember Jon Ronson?

03:57:37.000 Yeah, yeah, well, here, come and say hi on the mic.

03:57:39.000 We won't put you on radio.

03:57:41.000 He's gone in one minute.

03:57:42.000 Come on in here.

03:57:42.000 She doesn't want to be on TV, just... Ah, okay.

03:57:45.000 Hey, dialect!

03:57:47.000 She doesn't have headphones.

03:57:48.000 Hi, Jon, how are you?

03:57:49.000 Hey, I'm alright.

03:57:50.000 It's good to... It's really lovely to hear you.

03:57:53.000 Well, I'm saying nice things.

03:57:54.000 Alex, tell her that I'm saying nice things.

03:57:55.000 Don't say I'm saying horrible things.

03:57:56.000 You're saying nice things.

03:57:57.000 Boy, she's good-looking, Jon.

03:57:59.000 I know, I know.

03:57:59.000 She's a very... I've always... I mean, you know, yeah.

03:58:02.000 I'm not going to go down that road.

03:58:03.000 No, I... I was a very lovely person.

03:58:06.000 I've got very warm memories of our night together in Northern California.

03:58:10.000 It was a great time.

03:58:12.000 Even though we came away utterly... with utterly different views of what we saw at Bohemian Grove.

03:58:17.000 I do think of that as one of the... Make sure you say that 150 times!

03:58:22.000 It's true.

03:58:22.000 Violet's a wonderful person and I'm glad that, you know, you guys, after all these years, you're still tight.

03:58:28.000 You're still there.

03:58:29.000 Hey, John, promise me that when your new book comes out, you'll come on here first.

03:58:33.000 I will be there.

03:58:34.000 And thanks, Alex, for having me.

03:58:35.000 I've really enjoyed the last hour.

03:58:36.000 It's good talking to you again.

03:58:37.000 All right, buddy.

03:58:38.000 Good having you here.

03:58:39.000 I'll say bye to you during the break.

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Alex Jones Show - November 13, 2009

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