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00:00:23.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

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00:00:30.000 I am Jason Burmiss sitting in, and now we go to our latest guest, Gary Lachman, who's actually a musician turned writer.

00:00:39.000 He is one of the founding members of Blondie, one of the guitar players there.

00:00:42.000 His latest book is Politics and the Occult, The Right, the Left, and the Radically Unseen.

00:00:48.000 How are you today, Gary?

00:00:50.000 How are you?

00:00:50.000 I'm fine.

00:00:51.000 Good.

00:00:52.000 So why do you choose this subject matter?

00:00:54.000 Why do you start going into not only the occult, but politics and how they intertwine?

00:01:00.000 Well, it's something that I've been interested in for a while.

00:01:03.000 There were, well, there's quite a few books written about it, but mostly from the perspective of Hitler and the Nazis, rather.

00:01:14.000 To me, rather sensational sort of book.

00:01:17.000 And generally, the attitude towards it is that any sort of encounter between politics and the occult or mysticism or the esoteric tends to be on the far right of the spectrum.

00:01:34.000 And it tends to give esotericism or any interest in the occult or occultism a kind of bad a bad reputation from one point of view.

00:01:46.000 And what I wanted to do was to show that while there is that, that's certainly a part of it, that doesn't cover all the bases.

00:01:53.000 There's actually a progressive, you could call a left or liberal, sort of connection between politics and the occult.

00:02:05.000 And I wanted to show that that was the case.

00:02:08.000 And also another sort of thing that I wanted to point out was that both sides, say the far left and the far right, they actually come together in their detestation of modernity of the modern world, both of them abhor modernity, almost both of them abhor modernity, almost for the same reasons.

00:02:27.000 They're very different approaches on how to deal with it, but they seem to meet.

00:02:31.000 So that struck me as a very ironic thing.

00:02:35.000 Thank you.

00:02:36.000 Well, before we get into the left, right, and their different flavors of the occult, you mentioned Hitler and the Nazis.

00:02:43.000 And Hitler really did believe that symbols like the SS logo and the swastika, which was really a sun symbol, which he adopted and put into a white, red, and black color scheme, did give his political power, or his political party power, as well as his, you know, warmongering. 0.64

00:03:02.000 Well, I mean, it's been around for quite some time.

00:03:04.000 It's an ancient symbol.

00:03:06.000 It goes back to Neolithic times. 0.58

00:03:09.000 There's cave paintings with it, and cave etchings.

00:03:12.000 And there's a long-standing myth that if it's turned in the clockwise direction, it's good, and if it's turned in the opposite, I forget which it is.

00:03:20.000 But it turns up going both ways.

00:03:22.000 clockwise and anti-clockwise.

00:03:24.000 And the myth was that Hitler had taken it the anti-clockwise way, which was the evil way.

00:03:28.000 But again, that's sort of a myth.

00:03:30.000 I think Hitler was very astute about the power that symbols and myths have over people and how they can reach down below the critical conscious, the conscious mind, and sort of just get you down in your gut. 0.85

00:03:45.000 And also, in the Vienna of Hitler's early days, before he became the chancellor of Germany in the early 30s, and he was a starving artist in Vienna.

00:03:56.000 There was a magazine called Astara, if I recall correctly, that was anti-Semitic, anti-Marxist, anti-Democratic, you know, pretty much anti-everything, except sort of white, conservative Viennese, you know, culture.

00:04:14.000 And it used a swastika as its symbol.

00:04:17.000 So it was something that was around.

00:04:18.000 I mean, you find it in a lot of different contexts, and in many ways it's A sad thing that it's so completely associated with Hitler and the Nazis now that it's completely unredeemable.

00:04:31.000 Absolutely.

00:04:32.000 I mean, that's what everybody that I know would associate the swastika with.

00:04:36.000 A lot of people don't understand it was used by Native Americans and many other cultures, again, as a sentence.

00:04:42.000 But when we come back, I want to discuss the right-wing flavor of the occult and then get into the left-wing flavor, but really how these people don't present themselves to the public as occultists and they really hide their true religion.

00:04:55.000 We'll be back after this.

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00:08:22.000 Gary Lachman is our guest.

00:08:24.000 His book, Politics and the Occult, The Right, The Left, and the Radically Unseen.

00:08:28.000 We just discussed Hitler and the Nazis' use of the SS symbols, the swastika.

00:08:34.000 And their belief in the occult.

00:08:37.000 Let's take it to the United States.

00:08:39.000 Not only the United States, but kind of European leaders also go to places like the Bohemian Grove and really the white Anglo-Saxon crowd is recruited in colleges like Yale and others with groups like Book and Snake and of course the infamous Skull and Bones.

00:08:55.000 What have you, I mean, You look at Bohemian Grove, they seem to have this owl as a mascot.

00:09:01.000 Some people interpret it as Moloch, others don't.

00:09:04.000 But they also have a Buddha or a Maitreya figure there.

00:09:07.000 They have Saint John of Maple Knock.

00:09:10.000 What do you think they're doing up there in the Grove?

00:09:12.000 Well, to tell you the truth, I know about Bohemian Grove.

00:09:16.000 I've read a bit about it, but I don't really cover it in the book.

00:09:18.000 So it's not really my patch.

00:09:19.000 So, to tell you the truth, I don't.

00:09:22.000 I haven't a slightest idea.

00:09:24.000 So would you consider that stuff, the right-wing aspect?

00:09:28.000 I mean, that's where, you know, Bush, his father go... Yeah, well, I mean, traditionally the right-wing aspect of politics and the occult is, it's linked to tradition.

00:09:41.000 And it's a response to the rise of the modern world, which mostly means the rise of democracy, or the rise of some form of socialism of left.

00:09:54.000 kind of thinking, which generally is a form of leveling.

00:09:59.000 It levels out sort of the social hierarchies.

00:10:02.000 It gets rid of the aristocracy.

00:10:05.000 It gets rid of the monarchy.

00:10:07.000 It gets rid of the king, the queen, and all those people that are in a hierarchical, higher level than the common person.

00:10:17.000 And this was something that was completely feared by many traditional thinking people in Europe.

00:10:27.000 That's the area that I cover in the book mostly.

00:10:30.000 And again, as I said, this is a response.

00:10:34.000 Throughout the last few centuries, I started in the early 1600s with the appearance of, well, the non-appearance, actually, of a group called the Rosicrucians.

00:10:43.000 And they're an example of progressive, kind of what we would call sort of left occult political thinking.

00:10:50.000 But with the rise of the modern world, with the breakdown of the hierarchy, the loss of religion as a very strong element in society, Uh, many groups reacted to that, and they reacted in a way that they saw Different forms of esotericism, different forms of mysticism or cult thinking.

00:11:12.000 This was a place where that notion of tradition was still alive and it was still viable.

00:11:17.000 And so they sort of took elements from that.

00:11:22.000 And again, I don't really do conspiracy theories and I don't really do the kind of what's going on in the back room sort of thing.

00:11:30.000 I basically looked at history, upfront history that's available in books that you can get.

00:11:35.000 And you can find it.

00:11:38.000 You can find the influence, or you can find where people with an occult bent were involved in politics, or where certain occultists or certain people that were esoteric thinkers tried to take their ideas and to put them into practice in or where certain occultists or certain people that were esoteric thinkers tried to take And again, this is a response to the modern world.

00:12:02.000 It's anti-egalitarian, anti-democratic, anti-socialist or communist, or anything that is sort of supporting the idea of getting rid of the hierarchy.

00:12:15.000 So that's, you know, in many ways, I don't know if that's what's going on in Bohemian Grove or, you know, Skull and Bones and all that sort of thing.

00:12:26.000 But I wouldn't be surprised, although I would say it wouldn't necessarily be a religious one.

00:12:30.000 It would probably be more, you know, of an economic one, a financial one.

00:12:33.000 Well, what are some of these modern examples?

00:12:38.000 What are some of these modern examples, then, of what you consider the left and the occult?

00:12:42.000 Some of the organizations or the people?

00:12:44.000 Well, again, it's historical.

00:12:46.000 If you look at somebody like the Theosophy, the Theosophical Society, which was started in 1875 by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, this wild, eccentric Russian woman who, after a crazy life, packed with enough life for a dozen people, wound up in New York in 1875.

00:13:06.000 She herself wasn't so much directly involved in this, but her successor, a woman named Annie Who was, in England, a major socialist.

00:13:18.000 She was a Fabian.

00:13:19.000 The Fabians were an early socialist think-tank, more or less, in late 19th, early 20th century England.

00:13:28.000 And Annie de Tromp was one of those.

00:13:29.000 She was for women's rights, she was for free love, she was for better working conditions, for working people.

00:13:38.000 There was a famous strike called the Match Girl Strike that she was involved in that she was put into jail for and all that.

00:13:44.000 She got involved in Theosophy and really threw herself into it.

00:13:48.000 And Theosophy, as you probably know, gets a great deal of its philosophies, ideas from India, from Indian thought, from the mystic East.

00:13:59.000 And so she went to India and she became actually, you know, hands-on involved in Indian independence.

00:14:08.000 Uh, you know, getting rid of the Raj, um, India, India for India. 0.99

00:14:12.000 And also, uh, involved with that was reintroducing to the Indian people a great deal of their heritage that had been, um, lost while they were under the British rule.

00:14:21.000 Things like, uh, the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, all these great works of Indian Hindu mysticism and spirituality.

00:14:28.000 The Indian people of the time were more or less ignorant of those because they've been brought up under British rule, and she reintroduced that to them.

00:14:34.000 So there you have an example of someone, you know, working for the national identity of an indigenous people, which is a very progressive left sort of idea, and also their independence.

00:14:46.000 So again, this is something that was, you know, really Uh, it was there.

00:14:51.000 It wasn't hidden.

00:14:51.000 It wasn't secret.

00:14:52.000 It was something that was, you know, right up front.

00:14:54.000 And that even fascinates me more because, I mean, I tend not to go down to conspiracy.

00:15:00.000 Uh, theory, really, because it's such a can of worms.

00:15:02.000 You know, once you open them up, once you open that door, there's lots of other doors to open, and I feel you can get lost in it, and you never quite arrive anywhere.

00:15:10.000 So I decided at the beginning, okay, I'm not going to go that way, but I'm just going to show you can trace in history where there have been times when I keep saying occult politics, but in many ways it's a religious, it's a spiritual, it's a politics that's motivated by sort of high ideals rather than, say, it's a politics that's motivated by sort of high ideals rather than, say, the utilitarian politics of, okay, economy and making sure everybody's got enough to eat and the sort of more pragmatic politics that we're

00:15:39.000 Occult politics has to do with this kind of transcendental view of human nature and how society should be motivated by these high ideals.

00:15:48.000 And both sides of the fence, both the left and the right, there have been different groups who have tried to introduce that.

00:15:55.000 You know, there's people that say, like, you know, the States, the United States themselves.

00:15:58.000 I mean, I live in London now, but I grew up in the States.

00:16:03.000 You know, the Founding Fathers were all Masons, and there was a whole Masonic set of ideas that was involved in the origin of the States.

00:16:13.000 And there's even books written about how Washington, D.C.

00:16:15.000 is laid out according to these sort of astrological, masonic ideas.

00:16:19.000 And again, it's true.

00:16:21.000 I mean, the whole ideas about the brotherhood of man, a certain kind of egalitarianism, a certain sense of people helping each other and personal freedom and religious tolerance, these were all ideas that were in the air, as it were.

00:16:37.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

00:16:39.000 You keep saying this is all about individual freedoms and really the betterment of humanity through this whole thing.

00:16:46.000 If that is the case, then why don't these people come out as occultists?

00:16:50.000 Why is it that they pose as Christian conservatives?

00:16:53.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:16:53.000 They are out.

00:16:54.000 I'm saying that it is...

00:16:55.000 I mean, I'm sure other books probably deal with the guys in the back room, you know, with the shape- But you keep saying conspir- Hold on, let me stop you for a second.

00:17:02.000 Let me stop you, because you keep saying conspiracy theories and people in the back room.

00:17:07.000 You know, I'm holding their own annals.

00:17:10.000 I can name the members.

00:17:11.000 I mean, they've taken pictures with the organization.

00:17:14.000 They're openly members.

00:17:15.000 People like Newt Gingrich, who propose themselves as Christian conservatives, are members of the occult.

00:17:21.000 I'm sure you've come across dozens, if not hundreds of names.

00:17:26.000 Well, don't you, wouldn't you consider, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:17:29.000 Yeah, but wouldn't you consider a society that openly does rituals to their deity, an owl, and again this is inscribed in the... Well, as I said, and I basically said this when your producer got in touch with me, I said, I don't do conspiracy theories.

00:17:43.000 Yeah, but you keep saying, hold on, you keep saying conspiracy theory.

00:17:46.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:17:46.000 You keep saying conspiracy theory, Gary.

00:17:48.000 You keep saying conspiracy theory.

00:17:50.000 I'm showing their pictures in their own books with their own words.

00:17:53.000 So where is the, well, where is the conspiracy theory in that?

00:17:56.000 I mean, you turned to, I don't know how that's different than you quoting Blaski.

00:18:00.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, look, I'm not going to be shouting that to you.

00:18:02.000 You know, I'm giving up an evening to do this.

00:18:04.000 You know, I'm happy to watch the news.

00:18:07.000 The thing is that, I don't know anything about it.

00:18:10.000 So you can ask me questions about them and I can't give you an intelligent answer.

00:18:13.000 But you're saying that all these people are openly occultists.

00:18:18.000 Well, I would be happy to read the book.

00:18:21.000 I'm sorry, I'm substituting on the show today and I just got thrown you... Yeah, but again, you're saying that all these people are out in the open.

00:18:27.000 in the book but I don't want to talk about something I don't know anything about.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, but again you're saying that all these people are out in the open isn't...

00:18:34.000 Hold on, you're saying that all these people...

00:18:36.000 But Gary, you're saying in your own words that all these people are out in the open when the very...

00:18:42.000 Hold on, when the very meaning of the term occult is hidden, is it not?

00:18:45.000 It's hidden but it's hidden in the same way that when the earth passes between the The rays of the sun and the moon.

00:18:54.000 The moon is eclipsed.

00:18:56.000 It's occluded.

00:18:57.000 So, I mean, you could take out any book on the history of theosophy, or any biography of Annie Besant, and you'll find this out about her.

00:19:08.000 Just like you can find out about someone like a fellow named Julius Evola, who was an Italian occultist and esotericist in the He's out in the open.

00:19:19.000 and 40s who wrote books about a variety of different esoteric ideas, and he tried to influence first Mussolini and then Hitler.

00:19:30.000 And he had certain ideas about a spiritual kind of elite and a spiritual aristocracy and how society should be based on that and so on and so on.

00:19:38.000 So he's out in the open.

00:19:40.000 I mean, these things are there.

00:19:41.000 I mean, the sense out in the open is if you do the research, you'll find it.

00:19:45.000 Well, you know, I'm pretty well versed in people like Manly P. Hall that have written about this.

00:19:50.000 They are definitely out in the open, but I find more often than not, those involved in the modern occult are not.

00:19:55.000 So I want to get into what you think their endgame is after this.

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00:23:56.000 We are back.

00:24:20.000 I am Jason Bermas sitting in.

00:24:22.000 The websites are Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:24:25.000 Our guest is Gary Lockman.

00:24:26.000 He's the author of Politics and the Occult, The Right, The Left, and the Radically Unseen.

00:24:32.000 I guess I want to ask you, Gary, you keep talking about a progressive elite that are into the occult.

00:24:38.000 If they get their way, what does the world look like?

00:24:40.000 What are they working towards?

00:24:41.000 Well, there isn't a they. 1.00

00:24:43.000 It's not like there's one group.

00:24:45.000 Say, I give a variety of different examples of a more left-oriented or progressive interest in the occult that is linked up with politics.

00:24:55.000 And I gave you one there, Annie Vissant, who was... Yeah, but in the beginning you said...

00:25:01.000 Sure.

00:25:02.000 It's a historical book.

00:25:06.000 It's about history.

00:25:07.000 I start in the 1600s.

00:25:08.000 I go up to, you know, just sort of... I mean, the last people I talk about are, you know, the Christian fundamentalists involved in the Left Behind series of books in the States that are big, you know, bestsellers and all that.

00:25:19.000 If you look at something like early 20th century England, where I just talked about the Fabians, you had a whole, just before World War I, you had a whole slew of sort of ideas that would later become rediscovered in the 1960s, which when everybody you had a whole slew of sort of ideas that would later become rediscovered in the 1960s, which when everybody thinks mysticism and yoga and a variety I mean, people were doing those in the 19th century, they were doing them in the early 20th century.

00:25:49.000 But when they were doing it in the early 20th century, especially here in England where I'm living now, they were associated with these very progressive ideas, like free love was one of them.

00:25:59.000 White education, religious tolerance, social tolerance, a breakdown of the class system. 0.86

00:26:07.000 Those people involved, there wasn't one group who had an agenda to go and pursue in politics.

00:26:16.000 But if you go earlier, say in the late 18th century, which is sort of the heyday of Freemasonry, Uh, when, um, especially in Central Europe and in German-speaking countries, you had, uh, this is, you know, with Illuminati come out of that time.

00:26:32.000 It's got nothing to do with the film with Tom Hanks.

00:26:35.000 But, um, you had famous people like Mozart and people like the German poet Goethe, and many other very influential thinkers and writers who were really involved in this platonic notion of, again, of religious tolerance.

00:26:52.000 racial tolerance, of sexual tolerance.

00:26:56.000 That's when you started to have Masonic groups that allowed women in. 0.94

00:27:00.000 They allowed Jews and Christians who'd sit side by side at these Masonic meetings.

00:27:05.000 And there was an idea that if these notions, if these ideas of the Brotherhood of Man and this kind of individual freedom and social tolerance, were they to spread, there would be a new age in Europe.

00:27:19.000 Now, unfortunately what happened is a lot of those ideas got fed into a lot of the radical groups involved at the beginning of the French Revolution.

00:27:29.000 And it went completely out the window, you know, it went from this fantastic dawn of a new age to, you know, to the terror when, you know, people were getting, you know, their heads chopped off left and right all over Paris.

00:27:40.000 And all their hopes were dashed.

00:27:41.000 They just kind of, people just turned into a nightmare.

00:27:46.000 And then out of it you get a new right-wing sort of masonic sensibility coming up as a reaction to sort of, you know, the The terror, as a reaction to the revolutionary sensibility. 0.59

00:27:59.000 So, if I wanted to pocket it in two different ways, I would say the progressive people, you know, that have brought esoteric ideas into politics, they're trying, they want to, basically what they like to do is create the kind of socially, religious, gender-tolerant society that we give a lot of mouth, you know, we give a lot of lip service to these days, you know, the pluralistic We only have about 90 seconds left, Gary.

00:28:24.000 In the beginning of the interview, you said that the left and the right seem to converge on this same idea.

00:28:31.000 Is this the one that you're talking about, basically?

00:28:33.000 No, no, no.

00:28:33.000 The left and the right, they come together because they both hate the modern world.

00:28:36.000 They both find the modern world...

00:28:41.000 But are they pushing for different things?

00:28:45.000 From the right point of view, it's a complete loss of tradition.

00:28:48.000 It's the leveling of society.

00:28:51.000 It's the whole loss of any kind of hierarchy.

00:28:52.000 It's the loss of any kind of order of rank, where anything goes.

00:28:57.000 And from the left position, it's the rise of capitalism.

00:29:01.000 It's the rise of laissez-faire.

00:29:02.000 It's the rise of basically every man out for himself.

00:29:08.000 Which, you know, and the duping of the masses through things like the culture industry and, you know, television and popular entertainment and all that sort of thing.

00:29:19.000 So both of them, both sides.

00:29:22.000 Gary, Gary, let me just stop you just for a second.

00:29:24.000 One last question, one last question.

00:29:26.000 I mean, thank you for your time.

00:29:27.000 Gary, are you an occultist?

00:29:29.000 No, I don't practice anything.

00:29:30.000 I'm a historian and a philosopher.

00:29:32.000 Okay, thank you very much.

00:29:33.000 The book is Politics and the Cult, The Right, the Left, and the Radically Unseen.

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00:33:09.000 We are back, streaming live over at PrisonPlan.TV and InfoWars.com.

00:33:13.000 I'm Jason Burma, sitting in for Alex Jones.

00:33:15.000 Alex out on assignment.

00:33:17.000 What a guest right there.

00:33:19.000 Gary Lachman.

00:33:20.000 I would have had him on for longer, but he kept cutting me off.

00:33:23.000 He wouldn't let me ask questions.

00:33:25.000 He was giving this self-righteous attitude that I was bringing up conspiracy theories.

00:33:25.000 Okay?

00:33:30.000 Now, if we can get to the document cam, and I'll read this for the viewers over here.

00:33:33.000 I'd like them to see that this annul of the Bohemian Club that I got off of eBay, Clearly states in its inscription right here, by the way, William Randolph Hearst, a member, just occult things all over his property, to our tutelary deity, can we not get the, there we go, the owl.

00:33:52.000 This book is a reverently and affectionately inscribed.

00:33:57.000 Their deity, please look at that.

00:33:59.000 Now you look through this book.

00:34:00.000 I'm just going to thumb through it really quick.

00:34:02.000 I'm going to try to find the Montezuma play where they actually do mock human sacrifices.

00:34:09.000 Now that's not the cremation of care ceremony.

00:34:11.000 This is separate.

00:34:12.000 This is, there's the old man in the tree.

00:34:15.000 See, they have rituals and they have quote-unquote plays.

00:34:20.000 And remember, it's an all-male club, so they get dressed up. 1.00

00:34:20.000 That they do. 1.00

00:34:23.000 Here it is right here.

00:34:25.000 They get dressed up in drag. 0.74

00:34:26.000 Now, what you see here is three separate gentlemen holding down a sacrifice as the high priest with the sun symbol on his head.

00:34:35.000 Notice that there.

00:34:36.000 And remember, this guy's talking about earth worship.

00:34:38.000 He's talking about sun worship.

00:34:40.000 But then he denies that anybody in the occult actually hides the fact that they are in the occult.

00:34:46.000 And he keeps talking about this modern progressive society.

00:34:49.000 I got news for you, folks.

00:34:50.000 When people are talking about a new age, that's globalization.

00:34:54.000 That's new world order.

00:34:57.000 And they always try to wrap it in, oh, it's going to be better for humanity, we're going to be more tolerant, we're going to be a better society.

00:35:04.000 No, what it really means is consolidation of power by psychopathic elitists.

00:35:10.000 They've been doing this for hundreds of years, if not thousands.

00:35:15.000 And, you know, the Theosophic Society.

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00:35:26.000 Now, he admitted in the interview that, yes, Washington, D.C.

00:35:30.000 is laid out by the occult, by occultic symbols.

00:35:36.000 Yet most mainline Masons will still deny that to this day.

00:35:40.000 Now he admitted to it, but he thinks it's all a good thing.

00:35:43.000 And he's a philosopher apparently.

00:35:45.000 I wouldn't be surprised if he's taken part in what I would call pagan rituals.

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00:36:21.000 Remember, I've got a movie coming out in February, Invisible Empire.

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00:36:27.000 That one's due out February 12th.

00:36:29.000 I'm really excited about this picture.

00:36:30.000 That one is really the killer of this notion that these people are our friends, that they're trying to build a better society.

00:36:38.000 No, my movie exposes the fact that they are into the occult, that they do want one world government, that they do want to cull a massive percentage of us, that they do want to tax us for breathing with a carbon tax, that they have been doing this openly, openly, In government documents, in books, in speeches, for well over a hundred years, Hitler talked about a new world order. 0.86

00:37:05.000 George Bush Sr.

00:37:06.000 talked about a new world order.

00:37:09.000 Gordon Brown and Tony Blair talk about a new world order.

00:37:13.000 All right, I said I'd take your calls.

00:37:15.000 Let's jump to the callers.

00:37:16.000 They've been home a long time.

00:37:17.000 Let's go to Randy in Georgia.

00:37:18.000 Randy, you're online.

00:37:20.000 Hi, Jason.

00:37:21.000 How are you doing?

00:37:23.000 I'm good.

00:37:24.000 Well, actually, I am 7 months pregnant, and I know Alex Jones said in Texas that the state kept the blood in the blood bank from the newborn.

00:37:37.000 So I decided to, you know, because I never read over the privacy practices and all those things, so I decided to read it this time.

00:37:48.000 I've been doing the research, like with Dr. Sherry Tenpenny and, you know, listening in about the vaccines and all those other things, so I really don't want to get my second child vaccinated.

00:37:58.000 So, um, but I was reading in the proxy practices, basically what they're saying is, um, that they have from A to 0, I mean A to 0, A to O in their policies, that they can send out your information without even your consent.

00:38:16.000 I just thought that was really funny and I called up to the hospital to see if I could get a waiver.

00:38:20.000 I got to run around like 8 times and still haven't been able to talk to anybody.

00:38:28.000 And I just thought that was pretty interesting.

00:38:31.000 Well, they do this across the board, Randy.

00:38:33.000 I mean, you look at Australia.

00:38:34.000 They had to come clean a couple years ago that they had been, you know, databasing everybody's DNA since the 70s.

00:38:41.000 You look at the police in this country.

00:38:43.000 You're supposed to give up your fingerprints, but if you're not convicted of anything, you're supposed to get those back.

00:38:48.000 Those are in a database somewhere.

00:38:49.000 They openly want to create a medical database under this Health care bill.

00:38:54.000 They're coming for you and they will give you the runaround.

00:38:56.000 They don't want you to have any kind of personal privacy.

00:39:00.000 They want to take your humanity away from you.

00:39:01.000 I thank you for the call.

00:39:03.000 Let's jump to our next caller.

00:39:04.000 Let's go to Chris in Florida.

00:39:05.000 Chris, you're on the line.

00:39:07.000 Well, Jason, this climate gate being investigated by Penn State, it's one of those universities that's involved with the Department of Energy's Atmospheric Science Program.

00:39:17.000 Just Google that, and you'll see that they last updated it November 12th.

00:39:21.000 It says in the very first paragraph up top that their primary goal is the, quote, aerosol radiative forcing of the climate.

00:39:30.000 And so, and that's a quote, and so Penn State is among the universities involved in contracting with the Department of Energy.

00:39:36.000 So Chris, what are you saying?

00:39:44.000 You think that this Penn State investigation is going to be a show trial?

00:39:48.000 That in fact this investigation is going to be a whitewash and it's actually going to prove the opposite?

00:39:52.000 They're going to try to prove the opposite so they can maintain their funding and the global warming fraud?

00:39:57.000 Well, not if we keep these quackademics on the run. 1.00

00:40:00.000 I mean, it's great news that they're on their toes now and these witch hunters of humanity are in retreat. 0.87

00:40:06.000 But, you know, with this climate gate and the troop escalations and more war and murder, they're the ones who are threatening to make this world even more of a hell.

00:40:14.000 And, you know, it's like another, as they admit, another religion.

00:40:18.000 They're seeking to recruit those who are going to feel guilty for not obeying a penalty of burning, and their planet's going to be turned into hell, and that's what they'll do if they don't get their way.

00:40:31.000 So, you know, we've got them on the run right now, and that's the way we've got to keep them, exposing these facts, bringing the false left and false right to walk through these gates off the reservation, and maybe we'll accomplish something.

00:40:44.000 We do have to keep them true to their word.

00:40:44.000 Absolutely, Chris.

00:40:47.000 We have to demand not only an investigation, but a prosecution and then punishment as well.

00:40:51.000 I appreciate the phone call.

00:40:52.000 Let's go to Chris in Idaho.

00:40:54.000 Chris, you're on the line.

00:40:56.000 Hi, Jason.

00:40:56.000 I just want to say thanks.

00:40:58.000 I appreciate everything you and Alex are doing for the Freedom Front and we will win this fight.

00:41:05.000 I just wanted back to what your guest was talking about.

00:41:08.000 You know, you guys call it the occult and everything.

00:41:10.000 I mean, why don't you just say what these people are?

00:41:13.000 They're Luciferian worshippers, you know.

00:41:15.000 But that doesn't fit into his paradigm.

00:41:17.000 You know, he'll never mention that a lot of these quote-unquote paganists and these occultists, even though occult obviously means hidden knowledge, would have anything to do with Lucifer unless Lucifer is being portrayed as the light and knowledge.

00:41:31.000 And then maybe he would talk about it, but not as an entity that is encouraging people to do as thou wilt.

00:41:38.000 Well, uh, you know, I like what he said where, you know, people obviously don't like to talk about things that they don't know about.

00:41:44.000 So, you know, that's pretty open-minded.

00:41:46.000 But anyway, you know, there's, uh, I've done research on this, started with the NWO and the Illuminati and, you know, one world government, and it led me to the occult side.

00:41:56.000 And all that, and the Freemasons, and it's just confusing to anyone who tries to pick apart the pieces.

00:42:02.000 And you know, I encourage people to go check out the book called, which one is it?

00:42:08.000 We carry it here.

00:42:08.000 It's by John Robison, and it really tells an insider's view of the Illuminati.

00:42:14.000 He's an unapologetic Mason, but he sees this group infiltrating the Masonic lodges in Europe, and really Blows the lid off of Weisshaupt and his sect of the Illuminati.

00:42:26.000 We carry it over here at Infowars.com.

00:42:28.000 Go check it out.

00:42:29.000 It's by John Robison.

00:42:30.000 I thank you for the call.

00:42:31.000 I want to shift gears for a moment here.

00:42:33.000 We'll go back to your calls in a moment.

00:42:34.000 We have Katherine Austin Fitz coming up in the final hour to discuss the economy, but I want to show these clips.

00:42:42.000 Off of the CBC's Fifth Estate, regarding really what was the fairest mainstream piece, the fairest mainstream piece for 9-11 truth yet, and then show you some documents further debunking people like Jimmy Meggs, Entertainment Weekly superstar turned Popular Mechanics editor.

00:43:02.000 Being proven wrong again and again and again and again.

00:43:06.000 So if we could start off with that clip where we have the two clips.

00:43:09.000 It starts at the one minute marker and then the eight minute marker.

00:43:12.000 We've got John Farmer admitting, admitting that the 9-11 Commission was a whitewash.

00:43:18.000 We've got Jimmy Meggs being called out on the fact that Air Defense does train for hijackings and much more.

00:43:24.000 So let's hit the clip.

00:43:28.000 Senior Counsel John Farmer established the timeline that day.

00:43:32.000 He says by misleading the public to hide incompetence on September 11th, the U.S.

00:43:37.000 government unwittingly triggered the truth movement.

00:43:40.000 I tell you where I have a degree of empathy, and that is, I think when you have a situation as we have here, where the official government version of what happened doesn't square with reality and leaves people scratching their heads, then people's minds run crazy.

00:43:58.000 Alright, let's stop it right there.

00:44:00.000 Varying degrees and then he starts saying how controlled demolition is not a possibility.

00:44:04.000 Now, let's focus on what he did just say.

00:44:06.000 He just said that the official government version of 9-11 does not square with reality.

00:44:14.000 Is it time for a new investigation yet?

00:44:17.000 Is it time for the mainstream media to stop slandering 9-11 truth yet, when John Farmer, the man who put together the timeline, admits it's a lie.

00:44:26.000 It's a whitewash.

00:44:28.000 We played segments of Fabled Enemies, my latest film on 9-11, on the Sunday show, where Max Cleland was forced to resign!

00:44:36.000 He had to resign because they wouldn't even let him see the documents.

00:44:40.000 This was a commissioner!

00:44:43.000 On the 9-11 report, he had to leave.

00:44:45.000 John Farmer admits it's a lie.

00:44:47.000 The two co-chairs, as they laugh, also in Fabled Enemies, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, write a book together called Without Precedent, where they talk about indictments of the FBI and others, and they're joking about it!

00:44:59.000 It's hilarious!

00:45:00.000 Of course they lied to us!

00:45:02.000 Alright, let's go to this next clip in that one right there. 0.87

00:45:05.000 Can we hit that next clip?

00:45:06.000 This is the CBC.

00:45:07.000 Bob McEwen, who does a lot of journalism here in the United States, did a really fair piece called The Unofficial Story.

00:45:14.000 So check this out.

00:45:16.000 Cell phone or seat back phone.

00:45:17.000 He went back and forth.

00:45:20.000 But he... You guys are a minute off.

00:45:21.000 It's a minute before that.

00:45:22.000 It's 8 minutes.

00:45:24.000 Eight minutes.

00:45:25.000 Sorry about that, folks.

00:45:26.000 That right there, he's describing the Barbara Olson phone calls.

00:45:30.000 Now, what do we know about the Barbara Olson phone calls?

00:45:32.000 Barbara Olson was a commentator on CNN. 0.77

00:45:36.000 She supposedly called her husband, who was the Solicitor General at the time, twice from her cell phone, where she was the one that talked about hijackers with box cutters.

00:45:45.000 That's where the only information comes out.

00:45:48.000 So let's hit the clip.

00:45:51.000 Oh, okay.

00:45:52.000 Now, does he used to say that to his mother?

00:45:54.000 Probably not.

00:45:55.000 According to Doodney, it was a slip-up and clear proof the call wasn't from her son.

00:46:00.000 Have you been in touch with his mother?

00:46:02.000 No.

00:46:03.000 Her name's Alice Hoagland.

00:46:05.000 And she says, in fact, that was one of the things that they would do on the phone.

00:46:09.000 Just kidding.

00:46:10.000 Because he was the up-and-coming young businessman.

00:46:12.000 And when he called her, she says, that's the way he sometimes introduced himself.

00:46:17.000 Well, that just means that they've done a better job.

00:46:20.000 But here, too, there are unanswered questions.

00:46:23.000 For instance, what's perhaps the most famous call that day?

00:46:26.000 From television commentator Barbara Olson on board American Flight 77, headed to the Pentagon, to her husband Ted Olson, then Solicitor General of the U.S.

00:46:38.000 He told CNN that she had called him that morning from Flight 77.

00:46:44.000 Call him twice.

00:46:45.000 Talk to him about a minute each time.

00:46:48.000 He was uncertain whether it was cell phone or seat back phone.

00:46:51.000 He went back and forth.

00:46:53.000 But he said she reported that there were hijackers on the planes and they were armed with knives and box cutters.

00:47:03.000 The only Reported call that mentioned box cutters.

00:47:07.000 So that shows you how important these calls from Barbara Olson were.

00:47:12.000 Because everybody knows the hijackers had box cutters.

00:47:16.000 Alright, let's stop him right there.

00:47:19.000 You know, he looks at it and he says, well that's true.

00:47:22.000 That's true.

00:47:23.000 She never did make those calls.

00:47:24.000 In fact, play it right from there.

00:47:26.000 Show him right now.

00:47:27.000 Again, the FBI confirms those calls were never made.

00:47:30.000 Hit it.

00:47:34.000 Can we hit that spot?

00:47:35.000 Ted Olsen told the FBI his wife phoned twice that morning.

00:47:39.000 Calls lasting about a minute apiece.

00:47:42.000 But in a 9-11 court case, FBI evidence was that Barbara Olsen attempted just one phone call from Flight 77, which lasted zero seconds.

00:47:52.000 You've only got two choices.

00:47:53.000 Either Ted Olsen was duped by fake calls, or he just made it up.

00:48:00.000 He lied.

00:48:01.000 Either way, The official story is based on a lie.

00:48:05.000 And thus far, we have been unable to get a single newspaper or magazine or TV station in the United States to report this, which the FBI reported in 2006.

00:48:21.000 Alright, let's pull that clip. 0.99

00:48:23.000 Now, the next point we're going to be making, we're going to show you Jim Meggs of Popular Mechanics.

00:48:27.000 All the quote-unquote debunkers, or those who refuse to look at 9-11 truth, always cite Popular Mechanics debunked that years ago.

00:48:34.000 It doesn't matter if I went on national radio and television.

00:48:38.000 And debated the Popular Mechanics guys on the 5th anniversary of 9-11.

00:48:43.000 Owned them for an hour.

00:48:44.000 Disproved their lies.

00:48:46.000 They're sticking to their stories.

00:48:49.000 They're going to continue with their propaganda.

00:48:51.000 In fact, I was supposed to be on later that day against them on Glenn Beck.

00:48:54.000 We'd been booked for over two weeks.

00:48:56.000 Of course, we got cancelled and Glenn Beck let Jim Meggs propagate his lies.

00:49:02.000 So let's go to this portion of the clip from the CBC with Popular Mechanics and Jim Meggs.

00:49:08.000 But nothing more daunting than 9-11.

00:49:11.000 And questions like, where was the Air Force?

00:49:14.000 It is hard for mere laymen to understand how the biggest, most extensive military in the world could not have got fighters in the air that morning faster than it did.

00:49:29.000 You know, it's really interesting.

00:49:30.000 The conspiracy theorists, one of the very common mistakes they make is what I call the myth of hyper-competence.

00:49:37.000 They've seen too many movies.

00:49:39.000 They have this idea that the minute a plane goes off course, three fighter jets are scrambled on its tail within seconds.

00:49:46.000 It doesn't actually work that way.

00:49:47.000 They're assuming that the air defenses were competent.

00:49:50.000 To fight this kind of threat?

00:49:51.000 They weren't.

00:49:52.000 They should have been better prepared for it.

00:49:53.000 They should have thought about it.

00:49:55.000 They should have trained for it.

00:49:56.000 But they do train for it.

00:49:58.000 That's all they train for.

00:50:00.000 Not for planes originating inside the U.S.

00:50:04.000 The air defense system was set up for outside threats.

00:50:06.000 Planes or missiles or other things coming in from overseas.

00:50:10.000 Alright, let's just stop him right there.

00:50:12.000 Bob McEwen should have stopped him and said, that is a lie.

00:50:15.000 In my hands, and hopefully you can zoom in on the document cam in the final moments of this segment, you can see clearly that on 10-21-2000 they had an inside hijacking.

00:50:26.000 It's right there.

00:50:27.000 Amalgam Virgo had an inside hijacking right there.

00:50:31.000 These aren't outside threats.

00:50:33.000 These originated in our country.

00:50:35.000 Yet another lie from Popular Mechanics.

00:50:38.000 It doesn't matter that they have the drill Amalgam Virgo with Bin Laden on the cover.

00:50:41.000 And they're running a suicide mission to ram that plane into the Capitol building.

00:50:47.000 We'll be back after this.

00:50:48.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

00:50:49.000 Alex out on assignment.

00:50:50.000 I'm Jason Bermas.

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00:52:06.000 This is our last chance to not relive history.

00:52:09.000 As we're finishing off this agenda, They'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home. 0.70

00:52:14.000 We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.

00:52:20.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us as American citizens to pay attention.

00:52:25.000 For the Republic identifies the enemies of our nation, the criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.

00:52:35.000 Tim Geithner, Bernanke, they're arsonists!

00:52:38.000 They're asking for more matches!

00:52:39.000 And the Congress is saying, who do we make the check out to?

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00:53:00.000 Hi, this is Alex Jones.

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00:54:00.000 Finishing up on the 9-11 points, I just want to point out once again, as these guys almost five years ago now set out to quote-unquote debunk 9-11 truth, their lies as these guys almost five years ago now set out to quote-unquote debunk 9-11 And unproven!

00:54:22.000 We look at this document from Team 8 of the FBI, and you can clearly see that we drilled inside hijackings, hitting inside targets with suicide missions.

00:54:32.000 Then, on the day before 9-11, and the day before that, they're running hijackings out of New York City.

00:54:39.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

00:54:40.000 I'm Jason Bermas, sitting in.

00:54:43.000 I also want to mention that if you don't think you were track-traced and data-based, Prior to 9-11, prior to 9-11, how about Wikileaks releasing all sorts of pager and cell phone documents from text messages on...

00:55:00.000 From the morning of 9-11 itself, 3 a.m.

00:55:02.000 to 3 a.m., 24 hours of texts that again predate the supposed police state that was brought in via the Patriot Act, via the Military Commissions Act, via the lies and the pretext of 9-11.

00:55:16.000 Yet, somehow, all of these private emails, texts, and pager data are available.

00:55:23.000 How would that be possible without some kind of a tracking, tracing, and database system being set up before 9-11?

00:55:31.000 And now Congress may actually probe over this WikiLeaks release, because they know that it may hurt them.

00:55:38.000 All right, let's take a couple other callers.

00:55:39.000 Then we have Kathryn Austin Fitz on the program for an entire hour to discuss The global economic meltdown. 1.00

00:55:47.000 I mean, it is here, full force, gold hitting record prices today.

00:55:50.000 Go to mitusresources.com right now before it's too late.

00:55:54.000 It's over $1,200 an ounce, folks.

00:55:57.000 Only 12 months ago, it sat around $800.

00:56:00.000 I urged my stepfather and my mother to get into gold.

00:56:04.000 I said, this is the one investment that you can count on.

00:56:08.000 All right, let's go to Stephen in Texas.

00:56:10.000 Stephen, you're online.

00:56:11.000 Yeah, hey, good afternoon, Jason.

00:56:13.000 Hey, aren't you basking in the global warming today?

00:56:17.000 Yeah, it's so warm here in Texas.

00:56:18.000 It's actually cooling off.

00:56:19.000 It's around 45, 50 degrees, so it's not, it's still quite a step up from New York.

00:56:24.000 But let's face it, Stephen, the documents show it.

00:56:27.000 They lied.

00:56:27.000 We have the lead scientists stepping down.

00:56:30.000 We have investigations going on at Penn State and a possible congressional investigation being proposed by James Inhofe.

00:56:37.000 Asking Barbara Boxer, who is a total globalist and an unapologetic, you know, climate change promoter. 0.92

00:56:45.000 We're the evil ones.

00:56:47.000 Let's see if she does it. 1.00

00:56:48.000 Let's see if she steps up to the plate. 1.00

00:56:49.000 What we need to do is focus on going after our state officials, our federal representatives, and saying we're not going to stand for it.

00:56:56.000 The lie has been exposed.

00:56:59.000 Yeah, I just wanted to follow up on what I called you about here on your show the other day, the Sunday evening.

00:57:05.000 I did have it confirmed, yeah, I was terminated by that one insurance company because of the email I sent to this customer about Obama.

00:57:15.000 You know, I don't know what that has to do with business, since I never said anything about business, but you know, that's the way it is.

00:57:22.000 The other thing is, remember I brought up about how the Federal Reserve Board and the U.S.

00:57:29.000 Treasury are overseeing the anti-money laundering laws?

00:57:33.000 Well, the thing is, this is tied into drug running.

00:57:38.000 Now think about this.

00:57:39.000 Who's the number one importer of drugs into the United States?

00:57:43.000 Unfortunately, it's our own shadow government apparatus as exposed in the Iran-Contra scandal, and as proven today, as we give Warlord and Karzai's brother millions of dollars over the last eight years to support the opium trade.

00:57:59.000 And yet here, the same shadow government is saying, we're going to go after the people that are running the drugs.

00:58:06.000 Yeah, right.

00:58:07.000 It's absolutely laughable, Steve, and I thank you for the call.

00:58:10.000 Again, we have Catherine Austin Fitz coming on.

00:58:12.000 I know a lot of you are excited out there.

00:58:14.000 We've got a lot of emails, a lot of phone calls asking her to come on to this program.

00:58:19.000 So we're going to break down the entire global economic market with her. 0.99

00:58:24.000 Over the next hour, we're going to talk Dubai, we're going to talk the dollar, we're going to talk gold.

00:58:29.000 And again, it's record numbers today.

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00:59:55.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:00:10.000 We are back.

01:00:12.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

01:00:13.000 Alex out on assignment in Dallas.

01:00:15.000 I'm Jason Burmess sitting in.

01:00:18.000 And we are now joined by Kathryn Austin-Fitz.

01:00:21.000 Oh no, we don't have her on yet?

01:00:24.000 She'll be on in just a moment.

01:00:27.000 She is the founder and managing member of Solari Investment Advisories LLC.

01:00:34.000 She is a former Assistant Secretary of Housing for the Federal Housing Commissioner under the first Bush administration.

01:00:40.000 She was the president of the Hamilton Securities Group Investment Bank and financial software developer and a Wall Street insider.

01:00:48.000 So we are going to get her take on the devaluing dollar, on gold hitting a record high, on what's really going on in Dubai.

01:00:59.000 And how this is going to affect us, not only in the United States, but globally.

01:01:03.000 How are you, Kaithryn?

01:01:04.000 Hi, I'm fine.

01:01:07.000 So let's just get right into it.

01:01:09.000 We're seeing record numbers for gold today.

01:01:12.000 The dollar continues to decline and we're talking bailouts in Dubai.

01:01:17.000 What does this all mean for us here at home?

01:01:20.000 Well, what it means is our expenses are going to rise and our income is going to fall.

01:01:27.000 It's that simple.

01:01:29.000 And we're going through a structural change economically as a society.

01:01:35.000 We have, for the last 15 to 20 years, moved abroad many of the high-paying manufacturing and other jobs, and done it in a way that significantly weakened the unions and anything that would protect the value of labor.

01:01:54.000 So we're watching It's a fundamental shift between the value of labor and the value of capital worldwide.

01:02:01.000 And it's an integral part of the way that globalization is being achieved.

01:02:06.000 And so we're just at a round with Dubai as sort of the latest sort of crisis du jour related to what happens when you print lots and lots of financial paper.

01:02:22.000 Whether it's currency or bonds or debt securities.

01:02:26.000 But you don't build up an equivalent amount of real wealth in the real economy.

01:02:33.000 So we're watching a back and forth between all the paper that we've printed and the bubbles that we've engineered globally and the real economy.

01:02:42.000 And the precious metals is really just the real economy saying, hey, wait a minute.

01:02:48.000 We don't want your paper.

01:02:49.000 We're worth a lot more in terms of your paper.

01:02:52.000 Well, you just discussed briefly how this country has essentially been gutted from making anything.

01:03:03.000 We don't really have an industry that creates and exports anything.

01:03:07.000 In fact, I think our leading export at this point is garbage ideas and promises that really aren't there.

01:03:14.000 I mean, how did this happen?

01:03:15.000 How did we allow ourselves to stop manufacturing any physical materials whatsoever?

01:03:22.000 Well, in the 1990s, we implemented the GATT Uruguay Round and created in 1995 the WTO, the World Trade Organization, which radically changed the rules.

01:03:35.000 You know, it's like any game, when you blow a whistle and change all the rules, the whole game changes.

01:03:43.000 And what the World Trade Organization and the GATT Round said is, we are now free to move capital in and out of any place.

01:03:53.000 And basically shift jobs locally, globally, in a way where we can, you know, play labor off against each other around the world.

01:04:04.000 And that's happening at the same time when you're instituting lots of new powerful technology, because a lot of this is made possible by telecommunications and satellite technology and digital technology.

01:04:16.000 You're instituting it where it's possible to radically reduce the number of people you need to do manufacturing.

01:04:24.000 So literally we're seeing new plants come up around the world where everything is done by robotics and computers, and you need very few people, or once you needed 2,000 people to do everything you need to.

01:04:35.000 So part of this is simply who gets the blessings of new technology, and what we're saying is we're going to take all those blessings and productivity and centralize it into the wealth of the few and pull it out of the well-being of the many.

01:04:51.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

01:04:53.000 We'll be back after this with Katherine Austin-Fitz.

01:05:00.000 Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.

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01:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:08:23.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, welcome.

01:08:24.000 I am Jason Bermas, sitting in for Alex Jones, who's on assignment in Dallas.

01:08:29.000 We're with Kathryn Austin-Fitz, and you were talking about, really, the restructuring of the global economy and the economy here at home.

01:08:38.000 How do you feel the SDR, or Special Drawing Rights Unit, that the IMF is now really issuing fervently, fits into all that?

01:08:46.000 Is this the global currency that they plan to replace the dollar with?

01:08:50.000 Because there's all this talk that the dollar can no longer be the world reserve currency, and it would seem that although this hasn't taken a physical form yet, that may be the next step.

01:09:00.000 Well, there are a couple things happening at once, Jason.

01:09:02.000 The first is, there is tremendous tension between the financial A really speculative economy in the real economy.

01:09:10.000 And if you look at the countries and the organizations trying to implement trade around the world, it's very painful to be trying to move bananas from here to there when the currency or securities you're operating with to manage a real business have become really a tool of financial speculation and economic warfare.

01:09:32.000 So we see tremendous demand.

01:09:35.000 by countries that are focused on real export and real trade, trying to find a way to transact and manage reserves in a way that's good for their real economy and get away from the financial speculation.

01:09:50.000 So there's a demand for a global currency that's outside the global speculation system.

01:09:58.000 That's one.

01:09:59.000 Number two, there's no doubt there's a desire also to get off the dollar, because the dollar's in a long-term decline.

01:10:06.000 And what the dollar has become is, in one sense, is a form of global taxation to the balance sheets.

01:10:12.000 So countries around the world buy dollars, they go down in value, and literally it's a taxation system.

01:10:19.000 So, there's a real desire for something, one, that's global, that's two, that's outside of the speculation, and three, it's not going down in value.

01:10:29.000 And that's part of what you're seeing with the SDRs and the movement to a global currency.

01:10:36.000 But the other thing, what we're seeing is we're just seeing a desire for people to have something that's not going down, which is part of what's pushing the price of gold and silver and the precious metals up a lot in the last couple months.

01:10:47.000 So, what does the United States look like once the dollar is dumped as the world reserve currency?

01:10:53.000 Is this literally the death of the dollar and we would need some kind of other currency in the United States?

01:10:58.000 Would this trigger even a deeper depression?

01:11:01.000 I know that Obama's talking about a double-dip recession, which to me is just a semantical word game to say, hey, things aren't going to get any better.

01:11:09.000 They dare not use the term depression.

01:11:12.000 But if the dollar is taken away as the global reserve currency, does it survive?

01:11:17.000 And what happens here in the United States?

01:11:20.000 Well, I don't think we're going through a depression or recession.

01:11:22.000 I think we're going through, I call it a financial coup d'etat.

01:11:27.000 So I think what you're watching is a fundamental re-engineering of how the world is governed and it's intentional and it's planned.

01:11:39.000 Now, it happens in organic ways.

01:11:42.000 It's not as though it's perfectly scripted.

01:11:45.000 But we're going through a fundamental change, and the decision to basically reduce the middle class to a much lower income with much less political power lifestyle was an intentional decision made in the 90s.

01:12:05.000 And essentially what has happened is you have one or two generations in the United States have built up huge wealth over their lifetime and what we saw was that wealth transferred Out of the economy and abroad during the 90s, sort of hidden behind the bubble.

01:12:21.000 But that's an intentional thing.

01:12:22.000 And so when we talk about this in terms of depression and recession, we're talking about business cycles.

01:12:27.000 And that's not really the traditional.

01:12:30.000 We're not watching a traditional business cycle.

01:12:33.000 We're watching a fundamental re-engineering of and centralization of economic and political control.

01:12:39.000 And it's very much global and very planned out.

01:12:43.000 Let me give you an example.

01:12:46.000 In London in 2002 to give a paper on, it's called The Myth of the Rule of Law, about sort of how the process of privatization was working here in the United States and how things were, you know, basically criminal enterprises being used to centralize all sorts of ownership and control and real estate into a relatively small group of

01:13:08.000 of people, and I gave the paper, and following me there was a former reporter from the Wall Street Journal giving a paper about the economic warfare in Russia during the 90s, and then followed by a wonderful reporter in London who gave one on Eastern Europe, and we were all in a state of shock because we realized it was the same companies, the same banks, same hedge funds, Same defense contractors operating as syndicate in all three places.

01:13:38.000 We just didn't, you know, we hadn't seen the game because we thought it was just North America or Russia or Eastern Europe, and what we didn't see was there was a global process going on of buying up and controlling all sorts of land and real estate and enterprises, and was very much part of a process of economic warfare that was going on globally.

01:14:00.000 Well, when these elitists talk about redistribution of wealth, what they really mean is that their goal is to take the United States and take us from our first world nation status and delve us into this second world nation status as they consolidate power, as they gain more power.

01:14:17.000 And I see this system being implemented with this cap-and-trade scam and now being exposed in Climategate.

01:14:24.000 I mean, that's why they created these carbon markets and carbon prices.

01:14:28.000 I mean, the EU openly trades European Union.

01:14:31.000 This is about globalization and I think that this is the next step in this redistribution of how the global economy works.

01:14:39.000 Yes?

01:14:41.000 Well, let's look at the challenge, you know, whether it's what I'll just call a metaphor for the people running the economy globally.

01:14:50.000 So, whether you're Mr. Global or whether you're You know, you're Jason and Catherine and the people listening to this call.

01:14:59.000 The question is, how do we go from being a world where resources are very much used by the few and not by the many, and a world where we're having incredible sort of damage from growth in population to the environment on the planet.

01:15:22.000 How do we go to a world where we are living in alignment with each other and with the environment?

01:15:28.000 So how do we go from an unhealthy model to a much more healthy model?

01:15:33.000 And here's the challenge.

01:15:35.000 The question is, how do you incentivize people to do what's good for the environment and do what's much more equitable in terms of sharing of resources?

01:15:45.000 And there are positive systems you can use to do that, Jason.

01:15:50.000 The Solari model says, okay, why don't we finance the communities with equity, and then people can make money and get financial wealth from reducing consumption.

01:16:01.000 The notion that we need consumption to grow to get the stock market to go up is absurd.

01:16:06.000 That's the corporate model.

01:16:07.000 But in fact, if you finance places with equity, there's enormous financial incentives for all of us to dramatically reduce our consumption in a way that aligns us and our finances with With the environment.

01:16:21.000 Cap and trade is a very different kind of system.

01:16:24.000 It's a taxation system.

01:16:26.000 And it says, you know, you can't trust people to do the right thing.

01:16:30.000 So rather than incentivize them with positive, what we're going to do is we're just going to make it very painful and expensive for them to not lower their footprint.

01:16:40.000 But we're going to do it in a way that one, gives us central control, and two, where we can game the system.

01:16:45.000 So I've always said, if you think You know, that cap-and-trade would make derivatives look like it was something that Mother Teresa came up with.

01:16:54.000 Because what you're seeing in cap-and-trade is the worst polluters on the planet being given a get-out-of-jail-free card in exchange for making it much more expensive for the least polluting people.

01:17:07.000 So, for example, Democracy Now!

01:17:09.000 just had a great description about a month ago of General Motors.

01:17:14.000 Purchasing of carbon credits in Brazil and basically, you know, General Motors is free to pollute because the folks in Brazil can no longer hunt or do all sorts of things with land that they've been using for generations. 0.60

01:17:29.000 So you literally have a system that allows the most polluting to continue to pollute and get a get-out-of-jail-free card by making life miserable for the people who have the lowest footprint.

01:17:41.000 And exactly, even though they're going to buy these carbon credits, those fees, those costs, will then be implemented on the lower class by what they cost.

01:17:51.000 They'll just increase their price.

01:17:52.000 And in fact, now you're seeing around gas stations that if cap-and-trade is passed, yes, gas will go up 75 cents or a dollar.

01:18:00.000 And then the left cover is, oh, you must work for the oil industry, that's why you're against cap-and-trade, that's why you're against a carbon tax.

01:18:09.000 Yet, these headlines I have next to me, Well, let's talk about what we need.

01:18:13.000 global expansion of cap-and-trade CO2 programs, and then we have an Exxon executive calling for the same things.

01:18:19.000 These are the people that are actually behind this carbon tax system.

01:18:23.000 Well, let's talk about what we need.

01:18:26.000 The first thing that we need, whether it's, you know, if you're the American people or you're in Latin America or any continent around the world, what we all need is transparency about what's going on.

01:18:37.000 What ClimateGate shows is that the quote-unquote science around the need to have any kind of system is bogus.

01:18:46.000 And, you know, it's very hard for most people to believe that the concept of global warming could get this far, and we have this kind of sort of bogus science going on.

01:18:59.000 And so the first thing that's needed, Jason, is transparency about where is climate change coming from?

01:19:07.000 Why and what are the things that we can do, you know, what does the human race control that we can change that can improve our circumstances for whatever reason?

01:19:16.000 And I think that, you know, I'm someone who spends a huge amount of time trying to understand what's happening and why.

01:19:22.000 And I still feel absolutely no confidence that I know why or can explain, you know, why climate change is happening, because I think I think there's so much disinformation And it's a perfect example of how disinformation is used to bring about bad policy and control when what we need is a real honest conversation about what's going to happen and what can we do.

01:19:48.000 Well the bottom line is if the data said what they said it showed they wouldn't have destroyed it and they would have allowed it to be peer-reviewed unless Except for, you know, they didn't.

01:19:57.000 And they had to fall into the dark abyss.

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01:24:19.000 It's the Alex Jones Show.

01:24:20.000 I'm Jason Burmess, sitting in.

01:24:24.000 I want to move on to what's going on in Copenhagen in just I think it's six or seven days it begins this Copenhagen treaty where one of the quote-unquote three pillars is global government and the term taxation and tax appears over a dozen times.

01:24:43.000 They're trying to get this cap-and-trade scheme Global!

01:24:47.000 I mean all the way around so that we sign on to a treaty and of course the United States is the quote-unquote worst polluter so we're going to be hit the hardest.

01:24:55.000 What do you see coming out of this climate treaty, this meeting?

01:24:59.000 I don't know what's going to come out of Copenhagen because I think there's a real effort going on behind the scenes to make sure that the United States doesn't commit or commits as little as possible and we don't know how it's going to play out.

01:25:15.000 The question behind all of this really goes back to, are we going to have a democracy, or are we going to be part of a system where invisible forces control top-down through these unbelievably complex systems, a lot of which are being engineered by using the environmental issues in the environmental community.

01:25:38.000 I think in many respects they're unknowing about it.

01:25:43.000 You know, I don't know what's going to come out, Jason.

01:25:47.000 I think we just have to wait to see, but it's part of a long-term trend to try and engineer top-down control in a way that literally takes any kind of accountability out of the hands of the people who live in a place.

01:26:01.000 So if you live in a county in the United States, and the United States breaks down to just about 3,100 counties, who's in control in that county?

01:26:10.000 Is it the World Trade Organization?

01:26:12.000 Is it rules set in a place like Copenhagen?

01:26:15.000 Is it the federal government, or is it your local sheriff and town council?

01:26:21.000 And that's where the rubber's going to meet the road.

01:26:24.000 If you're a farmer, do you own and control the water on your property, or does somebody at the World Trade Organization determine what happens with it?

01:26:35.000 So where do you see all this going in the United States?

01:26:37.000 What are we going to look like in six months, in a year?

01:26:41.000 Is the dollar going to continue to decline?

01:26:43.000 Is gold going to continue to go up?

01:26:45.000 And then how can people really hedge their bets and protect themselves from this really economic takeover to the tune of an admitted over 27 trillion dollars in bailouts?

01:26:56.000 Well, the first thing you want to do is, you know, I'm not a prophet, so there are many different things that can happen.

01:27:03.000 There are many different scenarios that can play out.

01:27:06.000 But the one thing we do know is that there are certain long-term trends, and what you want to do is make sure you align yourself with the long-term trends.

01:27:13.000 So, the first long-term trend is we're having a shift of resources out of financial assets and what I call sort of bubble economics and into real things.

01:27:25.000 And what that means is the average person, the average household, needs to demonetize.

01:27:31.000 So, for example, I once had a friend who was constantly complaining about how the yields in her stock market portfolio were falling and her water bill was going up.

01:27:38.000 And I said, well, this is really easy.

01:27:41.000 Why don't you just sell some stock and build a well?

01:27:45.000 And so that's a perfect example where We put our money into corporate securities, and then we get a yield on our corporate securities, and then we go into the market and buy from those same corporations the goods and services that we need.

01:27:58.000 So we've been intermediated, and demonetization is really about saying, okay, where can I start investing my time and my resources so that I permanently lower my overhead, because it makes sense to go back to the way my grandparents did it.

01:28:16.000 The economics are changing because we're in a bull market for tangibles.

01:28:19.000 So, for example, the more I can reduce my dependency in terms of my energy, my food, you know, on unreliable players.

01:28:29.000 You want to get unreliable players out of your life.

01:28:32.000 So, one of the questions I always ask people is, who's your farmer, who's your banker, where's your money?

01:28:42.000 With genetically modified food, there's a reason we all want to start getting to know our farmers again and finding ways of maybe investing in farmland that help make sure you have a wonderful supply of food.

01:28:58.000 So demonetization about that. 0.87

01:29:03.000 The second thing is, where are you putting your money and how does that relate?

01:29:09.000 To making sure you're advantaged.

01:29:12.000 I always give the example of three women. 0.97

01:29:16.000 I was sitting with a group of three women who were very close friends, and I got them talking about how their money worked.

01:29:22.000 And what we discovered is that one had her money in a local bank that was sending their money into their correspondent bank in New York.

01:29:30.000 It was a large New York bank, and they were getting about 4% of the time on their money.

01:29:35.000 And when we come back, I'll finish the story.

01:29:38.000 Sounds good.

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01:31:56.000 Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.

01:32:04.000 This is our last chance to not relive history.

01:32:08.000 As they're finishing off this agenda, they'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.

01:32:13.000 We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.

01:32:19.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us Tim Geithner?

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01:33:09.000 We have Katherine Austin Fitz with us.

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01:33:52.000 Now, we left off with you, Catherine, talking about how you should really know your farmer, and then you were getting into how you should really know your banker.

01:34:00.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:34:01.000 So, these three women were sitting around, all good friends.

01:34:04.000 One had her money in a local bank that was shipping its money to the correspondent's large New York bank.

01:34:09.000 She was getting about 4% on her money at the time.

01:34:12.000 Yields were much higher.

01:34:14.000 The second woman had her 401k IRA.

01:34:19.000 Both 401K and IRA, and she had her money in the stock of the same New York bank.

01:34:25.000 And their third friend, and remember, I'm getting them talking about their money, it turns out their third friend was borrowing on her credit card.

01:34:32.000 She started a business using her credit card, and right after that, it was a credit card of the same New York bank.

01:34:38.000 The bank checked the rate up to 23%.

01:34:41.000 The first two women are making about 5%, and providing their capital, their life savings, to this bank. 0.99

01:34:49.000 And one of their best friends is borrowing it back at 23%.

01:34:53.000 Now, what's wrong with that picture?

01:34:55.000 Why do we need a bank thousands of miles away, or over a thousand miles away, to get in between three friends in a way that's raking off huge and hideous profits?

01:35:04.000 Well, that's an opportunity.

01:35:07.000 In fact, there was one website that got started, Prosper.com, which was set up to help people loan directly to each other.

01:35:15.000 And of course, you know the boys shut it down.

01:35:19.000 So, another question is, where is the opportunity to not be intermediated by the big institutions and find ways of making more money and keeping the cash flow in either our networks or our neighborhood?

01:35:34.000 Let's say we did everything, Jason.

01:35:36.000 We demonetized, we bought our generator, we started loaning.

01:35:43.000 Let's say we did everything we could do, just ourselves and our networks.

01:35:46.000 Then the question comes down to, Okay, now how do we start taking political action?

01:35:53.000 In addition to who's your farmer and who's your banker, a very important question in the 2010 election is going to be, who's your sheriff?

01:36:02.000 Because, in fact, if you look at the legal construct upon which the republic was founded, the most powerful person in your county is not the President of the United States and is not even your governor.

01:36:15.000 It's the sheriff.

01:36:17.000 And literally, the federal government cannot do anything outside or against the Constitution.

01:36:22.000 If your sheriff says no, you may not.

01:36:26.000 They're the ultimate word within that jurisdiction.

01:36:29.000 And we're going to have Richard Mack, I don't know if you've ever had Richard Mack on InfoWars, but we're going to have Richard Mack, who's a retired sheriff in Arizona, has written a lot about this question and in fact took the federal government to court, went all the way to the Supreme Court and won.

01:36:46.000 He's going to be on the Solari Report in January.

01:36:50.000 I just cringe when I see people spend money and time on the presidential elections when they're completely ignoring who is their sheriff.

01:37:00.000 And their political representation in their own local area.

01:37:04.000 Well, I always tell people that they need to start locally and if they truly do want to change the system, perhaps it's time for them to run for city council or state senator or even a congressional spot.

01:37:13.000 But of course, the sheriff is a very, very powerful position and an electable one.

01:37:18.000 So if you don't like what's going on in your county, it's time for you to run for sheriff.

01:37:22.000 Well, but the other thing is, you know, the sheriffs can do an awful lot if people will support them.

01:37:26.000 And a lot of the politics comes down to the Fed throws a lot of money.

01:37:30.000 The more dependent we get on federal money, and the more the Feds control the cash flow locally, the more everybody won't support their sheriff in standing up.

01:37:39.000 And that's why it's got to be battled out in the cash flow.

01:37:41.000 The next place you need to go after who's your sheriff is to look at, okay, let's look at where the governmental money is going.

01:37:49.000 We're paying taxes, and that tax money is going someplace.

01:37:53.000 Is that money circulating into the businesses that create Employment and opportunities for us that we, our neighbors, own.

01:38:00.000 And I just want to use an example of what's been happening, because if you look, if you dig in and you look at the federal, state, and local governmental flows, all resources, not just contracts or expenditures within a place, what you discover is there's enormous opportunity to lower the burden to taxpayers in a way that creates much more income locally for us.

01:38:22.000 And let me give you a perfect example.

01:38:24.000 I live in Tennessee.

01:38:26.000 We have about 20% of the population now on food stamps, a huge part of the federal flow through in the Tennessee state budget.

01:38:35.000 It's over a billion dollars now.

01:38:36.000 So 20% of the people on food stamps in a state where we have fabulous farmland, beautiful farmland that's just sitting not doing anything.

01:38:47.000 It turns out, Jason, that we are outsourcing the data servicing and customer support work On the food stamp contract in Tennessee, it's true in Florida, other states, too.

01:38:58.000 Are you ready for this?

01:38:59.000 JPMorgan Chase in India.

01:39:01.000 Oh, how lovely.

01:39:02.000 Now, we have counties in Tennessee where we have 25% unemployment.

01:39:09.000 So the federal and state governments are paying people to not work and paying for their food stamps when they are also paying JPMorgan Chase to do jobs that these people could do.

01:39:24.000 Well, that's why those arguments never stand up that, oh, they don't want to take these jobs.

01:39:27.000 No, you're not offering them to people.

01:39:29.000 You're moving them overseas and making it impossible for them to do this work.

01:39:34.000 Well, in fact, data servicing jobs are wonderful jobs for many people.

01:39:39.000 If you are someone who has responsibilities for caring for children or for elderly parents or both, data servicing jobs can be beamed in, you know, you can beam them out to lots of different sites locally.

01:39:53.000 And they can be done in flexible hours, so you can get very high productivity with flexible hours in sites that are closer to home, even residential.

01:40:03.000 So, in fact, it doesn't make any sense to beam those jobs to India, because there is a way to do them here, which is enormously wonderful for a workforce that literally cannot get in a car and commute an hour into Nashville or Knoxville or, you know, Tampa or Orlando.

01:40:20.000 Because they have to take care of, and it's certainly much more economic for society to have them care for their family members than to try and institutionalize that. 0.55

01:40:30.000 So if you look at the fundamental economics, you'll see again and again, and I saw this, I served as the Assistant Secretary of Housing, and I would often see communities where we were spending $250,000 per unit to construct public housing, When 50,000 would buy and rehab a single-family home.

01:40:50.000 So we were paying five times per unit of what we needed to.

01:40:55.000 And in fact, in the Clinton administration, I took that example.

01:41:00.000 In fact, it was New Orleans where this situation, the fact pattern, was just outrageous.

01:41:06.000 I had first seen it in Chicago.

01:41:07.000 I took it to the assistant of the person who ran that program at HUD.

01:41:11.000 And I said, look, if we just re-engineered the money, we could get five homes for the price of one.

01:41:16.000 The person turned bright red and looked at me and said, but how could we generate fees for our friends?

01:41:21.000 So, when there's a bubble going on, Jason, everybody's happy to generate fees for our friends.

01:41:27.000 You know, when you turn to people and say, your children can't have healthcare because there's not enough money, it's time to look at 50 years of accumulated fees for our friends and say, you know, maybe we need to re-engineer how things work.

01:41:43.000 We've had decades of computers and new technology, and yet the overhead costs of fundamental government projects have skyrocketed exponentially, and that's because we are subsidizing a huge infrastructure, the biggest piece of which is these big corporations, because you give a big corporation a government contract, and you drive their stock up.

01:42:08.000 You know, capital gains on stock market real estate is the primary source of political contribution.

01:42:14.000 And it starts, though, in your own county saying, okay, let me get control of my local representatives, whether it's my sheriff or town council or state representative, make sure we have excellent people in office, but then let's look at the money and let's look at where we're paying five times of what is needed, and where we cannot re-engineer the money.

01:42:37.000 We're going to open up the phone lines for Catherine Austin Fitz in just a moment, but first I want to get your take on gold being at a record high today.

01:42:45.000 Where is the roof on this thing?

01:42:46.000 Are we going to see it go up above $1,300, $1,400, maybe even hit $1,500?

01:42:51.000 We're going to open up the phone lines for Catherine Austin Fitz in just a moment.

01:42:54.000 But first, I want to get your take on gold being at a record high today.

01:42:57.000 Where is the roof on this thing?

01:42:59.000 Are we going to see it go up above $1,300, $1,400, maybe even hit $1,500?

01:43:04.000 Where do you see gold and precious metals going?

01:43:07.000 If you go back and you look at the high in 1980 before the current high, and you say, okay, gold traded at $800, even above, but the close was $800.

01:43:24.000 So gold traded at $800 in 1980.

01:43:28.000 If we were going to say, OK, how much was that in inflation in just the dollars, because Enormous inflation from 1980 until now, so it's over 30 years of inflation.

01:43:38.000 But in current dollars, what was that?

01:43:42.000 Depending on who calculates it and what series they use.

01:43:46.000 Do they use a government series or, for example, John William Shadow Stats has redone the government numbers.

01:43:53.000 So do we use the more reliable numbers like Jones for the CPI and the inflation?

01:44:02.000 What would $800 be in current dollars?

01:44:04.000 You get estimates of anywhere from $2,500 to $7,500.

01:44:11.000 And so what we're looking at today with a price of approximately $1,200 is something that is less than 50% of where the high was in 1980.

01:44:21.000 So on an inflation-adjusted basis, Jason, we're nowhere near the high.

01:44:25.000 That's number one.

01:44:27.000 Number two, the challenge we have with precious metals Is that it's a very tiny market relative to the global stock or bond markets.

01:44:37.000 I mean, the global bond market is huge, and then you add derivatives.

01:44:41.000 So, if a tiny bit of money decides it wants to shift into precious metals, you're talking about enormous pressure to drive the price up.

01:44:51.000 Now, we've seen over the last 15 years real intervention by the central banks and government treasuries to drive and manage the price down.

01:45:00.000 That's really a way to protect the bond market and sort of the inflated values of global currencies, particularly the dollar.

01:45:09.000 More and more investors are beginning to understand that game.

01:45:12.000 One of the things that has always threatened the market was the overhang of gold that the IMF has said that it was willing to sell.

01:45:22.000 The IMF is beginning, instead of just threatening sales, they have approved sales.

01:45:27.000 But that overhang is going very quickly into central banks, which are snapping it up.

01:45:33.000 And if you say to yourself, look, if central banks and institutional investors and retail investors are going to start to move into this very, very thin market, it doesn't take much incremental change in percentage of market share to drive the price through the roof.

01:45:49.000 So, the long-term fundamentals on precious metals are very, very strong.

01:45:57.000 Number one.

01:45:58.000 And number two, it is very important to remember that this is an extremely political market and a very, you know, there's an economic war going on in the middle of this market.

01:46:11.000 So we're looking at prices that are extremely volatile.

01:46:14.000 And it's very important to recognize, yes, we have a long-term bull market.

01:46:20.000 My guess is that there is a great distance to go.

01:46:23.000 This has only just begun.

01:46:26.000 But you have to be very careful, because in the short term we're going to get wild swings, and it's important for a retail investor to not do anything in this market where they could get caught by those swings.

01:46:39.000 So before anybody sort of tiptoes into these waters, just make sure you understand what you've got going and be prepared to stick in it for the long haul.

01:46:48.000 Now, when does it end?

01:46:50.000 One of the things that could end all of this is when a new global currency It goes into effect and it's really working.

01:46:59.000 And that will diminish the need for using precious metals as sort of a global currency.

01:47:07.000 This reflects not only that need, but the distrust that everybody has in government.

01:47:13.000 So we're really watching a deterioration in the quality of sovereign government credits worldwide.

01:47:20.000 So I think this goes on for a long time.

01:47:22.000 You just want to be really careful because we're talking about something that will price in very volatile ways against your local currency.

01:47:30.000 All right, let's go to the phone lines.

01:47:32.000 Let's go to Betty in Texas. 0.97

01:47:33.000 Betty, what's on your mind?

01:47:34.000 Catherine, thank you so much for allowing me to speak to you.

01:47:39.000 I'm so thrilled with everything that you say.

01:47:41.000 However, I would like to add in something about the Copenhagen Treaty.

01:47:48.000 One, Obama still hasn't produced his birth certificate, and he's being sued over that by Phil Berg, I believe.

01:47:56.000 And two, he cannot step as the head of the Security Council of the United Nations while he's...

01:48:05.000 I don't know.

01:48:06.000 I don't know.

01:48:06.000 I'm just ignorant of the status of the lawsuit occasionally.

01:48:08.000 heard anything about whether or not uh philberg has filed an injunction to keep obama from going and finding the copenhagen treaty and what do you think about it i don't know um i don't know i i'm just ignorant of the status of lawsuit occasionally you know i'm like anybody

01:48:29.000 i'll read things on the internet but i really am not current and i don't think that there's anything actually going on in regards to the Copenhagen Treaty due to that.

01:48:38.000 I thank you for the call, Betty.

01:48:39.000 Let's go to Chris in New Mexico.

01:48:41.000 Chris, you're on the line.

01:48:43.000 Thanks, Jason.

01:48:44.000 Hi, Catherine.

01:48:46.000 Hi, Jason.

01:48:48.000 No, that was Jason.

01:48:49.000 I'm Chris.

01:48:49.000 I'm sorry, Chris.

01:48:50.000 That's okay.

01:48:51.000 Chris, what do you got for us?

01:48:53.000 Catherine, nice to hear you in the daytime instead of the middle of the night.

01:48:57.000 Would you spend a few minutes talking about One of the alternative currencies, you know, I think that's the only way that we're going to get out of this mess.

01:49:05.000 Something like along the lines of Ithaca Hours or, you know, some of the others that have been established.

01:49:11.000 And I know you know a little bit about that, so can you address that?

01:49:16.000 Sure.

01:49:16.000 I think there are a number of ways that we can start to transact both locally and in our networks.

01:49:25.000 And the important thing to understand is it needs to be built In a very granular way, which gives energy to the people in the short term within a community.

01:49:37.000 One of the challenges of community currencies is that if you organize them as a sort of new legal structure and make them complicated, they can be very expensive and time-consuming.

01:49:50.000 And I'm a believer in the just-do-it method.

01:49:54.000 And I would look at several things.

01:49:56.000 One is the idea of using your gold and silver coins as just a medium of exchange.

01:50:03.000 If you go to our website at solari.com, Franklin Sanders of the Money Changer and I have created a little application, which we're about to redevelop and roll out a new one in 2010, called the Gold and Silver Payment Calculator, and it allows you to translate back and forth between dollars You know, let's say you want to pay somebody $100.

01:50:25.000 You can use the calculator to very quickly calculate in silver and gold coins what it would take to pay that amount.

01:50:32.000 So, the first thing, I'm going to suggest three things, but the first is just start using your gold and silver coins to transact.

01:50:40.000 Just do it.

01:50:42.000 Let's talk about those other two things on the other side.

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01:54:11.000 He's out on assignment in Dallas.

01:54:12.000 I'm Jason Bermas, sitting in.

01:54:14.000 If you missed any of the program, remember, following the broadcast, the podcast is available at InfoWars.com.

01:54:19.000 Three great guests today, Jim O'Neill, Gary Lachman, Catherine Austin-Fitz, and of course, Alex Jones joined us for the better part of an hour.

01:54:28.000 Catherine, you were just talking about what currencies you could get into.

01:54:31.000 You said, you know, use your silver and gold coins as currencies, but you had two other points you wanted to make.

01:54:37.000 Sure, and this is the, you know, how do we start currencies?

01:54:40.000 By the Just Do It method.

01:54:41.000 The second is, there's a wonderful association called IRDA.

01:54:44.000 It's the International Association Related to Barter Networks.

01:54:49.000 In your community, it is likely that you already have a barter network set up that could use some support.

01:54:55.000 And there is a great deal that can be done through barter networks, both locally and their network globally.

01:55:02.000 So, you know, you can end up getting your Your tour package to Scotland for the holidays through your local barter network.

01:55:11.000 So check out the IRTA website and find the local barter network or networks in your place and start to see if there aren't ways you can use it.

01:55:18.000 A lot of times you'll find businesses report as much as a 10% increase in sales that come about by their use of barter.

01:55:27.000 So there's a lot of opportunities, but we need to start, just build from the infrastructure that's there.

01:55:34.000 Finally, there's a real opportunity, as Chris said, to explore exchanging or trading or using hours, just using hours among neighbors and friends and businesses, but then going to a more formal system of trading our time and trading hours that makes an awful lot of sense to explore.

01:55:59.000 It starts with really talking to other people in your community, whether it's your neighbor or other small businesses, about how you can help each other save time or lower your expenses.

01:56:08.000 So it really starts with socializing and communication and just exploring the ideas.

01:56:14.000 If you can start to have more reciprocal relationships and connections, then you can move to a system of really trading hours, and there's lots of information on the website now.

01:56:24.000 I will say one of the most interesting statistics, Jason, is during the Great Depression, there were over 3,200 local currencies in America.

01:56:33.000 Do you think there'll be a revival in that?

01:56:37.000 3,100 counties.

01:56:38.000 So this is something that we're going to return and be doing this again.

01:56:45.000 And so it absolutely makes sense to spend time, but start with what you know, whether it's your gold and silver coins, barter networks in your community.

01:56:53.000 Just getting to know more people in your neighborhood and seeing where you can't trade time.

01:56:58.000 You know, just where I live in a very rural community, so we're always offering to help each other.

01:57:03.000 I'm going into town, what can I pick up for you?

01:57:06.000 Alright, final caller, Noel in Illinois.

01:57:09.000 You're on the air.

01:57:10.000 Yes, hi Jason.

01:57:11.000 Fable Enemies was unbelievable and I have a quick question in terms of the Climategate scandal.

01:57:17.000 Have any of you guys talked about, there's a I have seen that document, Noel.

01:57:21.000 I have seen that document.

01:57:22.000 I have not discussed it on the program, but that's purely oversight.

01:57:25.000 The only thing about that document is it's not an actual email.

01:57:29.000 in terms of like a one-world government to help, you know.

01:57:32.000 I have seen that document, Noel.

01:57:34.000 I have seen that document.

01:57:35.000 I have not discussed it on the program, but that's purely oversight.

01:57:38.000 The only thing about that document is it's not an actual email.

01:57:42.000 It was something that was being emailed to other people as kind of like this precursor, I guess, to the global government thing.

01:57:48.000 They were going to try to get past in the Copenhagen Treaty.

01:57:52.000 Very pro-One World Government.

01:57:53.000 Very pro-New World Order. 0.57

01:57:55.000 But after all, that is where this all seems to be headed as they are trying to promote a global currency.

01:58:01.000 Catherine Austin Fitz's website is solari.com.

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