Alex Jones Show - 20100518_Tue_Alex

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00:00:03.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:06.000 We're now simulcasting the last two hours here, live at PrisonPlanet.tv or PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:00:24.000 The last hour and a half or so I've spent most of the time talking to military about the fact that they're being trained.

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00:00:39.000 Edwin Vieira will be joining us, constitutional law scholar, to talk about states' rights and the movement against tyranny.

00:00:47.000 Also coming up, Napolitano hasn't reviewed in detail the Arizona immigration law she criticized.

00:00:54.000 She admitted in an interview she hasn't even read it.

00:00:57.000 Well, I have read the bill, and it says after police make first contact, if they have probable cause, a suspicion, like may I see your driver's license?

00:01:06.000 I don't have one.

00:01:08.000 Well, are you a U.S.

00:01:09.000 citizen?

00:01:10.000 Boom! 0.99

00:01:10.000 No. 0.99

00:01:11.000 That's a crime.

00:01:13.000 But illegals are even more above the law than that. 0.99

00:01:17.000 In fact, let's just go ahead and play the clip right now.

00:01:21.000 Here it is.

00:01:21.000 If I might ask, have you had a chance to review the new law that was passed by the state of Arizona?

00:01:28.000 I have not reviewed it in detail.

00:01:30.000 I certainly know of it, Senator.

00:01:33.000 So you're not prepared to make a judgment on it?

00:01:37.000 Senator, that is not a law.

00:01:46.000 Let me just say this.

00:01:47.000 As you know and are well aware, that's not the kind of law I would have signed.

00:01:53.000 And for what reason?

00:01:56.000 Well, because I believe that it's a bad law enforcement law.

00:02:01.000 I believe it mandates and requires local law enforcement or puts them in a position many do not want to be placed in.

00:02:10.000 When I was dealing with laws of that ilk, most of the law enforcement organizations in Arizona at that time were opposed to such legislation.

00:02:22.000 When I had the Austin Police Chief in a year and a half ago or so, the first time I interviewed him, and I talked about Austin being a sanctuary city, 800 plus in the nation, over 800.

00:02:22.000 Think about this.

00:02:33.000 And I said, why don't you arrest illegal aliens for drunk driving? 1.00

00:02:36.000 Why don't you arrest illegal aliens for committing crimes? 1.00

00:02:39.000 Why don't you arrest illegal aliens? 1.00

00:02:40.000 And he said, well then they wouldn't trust us to call us when they need us.

00:02:44.000 I mean, it's on record that illegals have more rights than citizens. 1.00

00:02:48.000 We've had illegal aliens call into the show and admit that they're basically above the law. 1.00

00:02:55.000 Or if they do get arrested, it's a $10, maybe $50 fine.

00:03:00.000 I mean, it's all over the news that four or five times the same illegal alien, whether it's in Dallas, Texas or Tucson, Arizona, I've seen cases in California, where over and over again they drunk drive and hit people and the police don't even arrest them on the scene because the courts know there's no money in that person and the system wants them released.

00:03:21.000 And so, oh, it puts law enforcement in a bad position to have to enforce the law.

00:03:26.000 Heaven forbid they're not just out there writing speeding tickets, and not out there providing security for government buildings for non-existent threats.

00:03:36.000 God forbid cops actually go after criminals.

00:03:38.000 And look, a lot of hard-working people come up here from Mexico.

00:03:42.000 And Mexico has collapsed, it's in trouble.

00:03:44.000 But if you've got a lifeboat and the other ship's just sunk, and you've already taken more people on your boat than is safe, if you just take unlimited, your boat will sink as well.

00:03:54.000 But statistically, many people fleeing justice from all over the world, not just Mexico.

00:03:59.000 Mexico is the biggest nation immigrating.

00:04:02.000 They come here. 1.00

00:04:03.000 Serial killers, murderers, arsonists, rapists. 0.99

00:04:07.000 And time and time again, they just get away with murder.

00:04:11.000 And so the question is, why are they getting away with murder?

00:04:15.000 And it's because the system wants them here.

00:04:17.000 They want unlimited numbers of them here.

00:04:19.000 Because as long as they're given welfare, and as long as the nanny state big government poses as their friend, statistically, in over 90% of the cases, you can pull up the national numbers, they vote for anti-gun legislation, Globalist legislation, quote, free government health care, and I've got numbers here today I'm going to cover after I get into some more of the news, where in Texas hundreds and hundreds of physicians are quitting and thousands are talking about it.

00:04:48.000 And I see these articles every two or three days from Florida or Texas or California Where the state boards are complaining that doctors are just saying, you know what, I'm 55, I'm not going to work another 10 years.

00:05:01.000 I've already got to buy all this liability, malpractice insurance.

00:05:06.000 Most doctors do not make that much money.

00:05:08.000 And by the way, they have to go to, on average, eight years of school, instead of the average person, professional, four years of school.

00:05:16.000 They have to Especially trauma surgeons.

00:05:19.000 I mean, it's stressful doing heart surgery, folks.

00:05:22.000 It's stressful doing brain surgery.

00:05:24.000 It is stressful having a child come in who's been in a car wreck, whose head's smashed in, and then watching that child redline and die.

00:05:33.000 So, we need to pay doctors a lot of money.

00:05:38.000 And the media has lied about this and implied that doctors are the reason health care costs have gone up.

00:05:44.000 I've looked at the numbers.

00:05:45.000 Thirty years ago, doctors were making, on average, almost double what they're making now.

00:05:51.000 Okay, now there are some specialists and, you know, plastic surgeons and some special, you know, top cancer people, you know, who might be making a million dollars a year.

00:05:59.000 But most doctors are making under a hundred thousand dollars a year.

00:06:04.000 Under $100,000.

00:06:05.000 In fact, Google the term average MD salary in the U.S.

00:06:12.000 I saw it last year.

00:06:12.000 I believe it was $97,000, but I'm not going off my memory.

00:06:16.000 Oh, let's imagine you got a half million dollars, in many cases, for all your college and medical school bills.

00:06:24.000 Half million dollars.

00:06:26.000 And so it's going to take you, if you're making $97,000, what, a decade or two to pay that off?

00:06:34.000 I mean, I know lots of medical doctors now who are living in an okay little house or an okay apartment.

00:06:39.000 I mean, I know people who were both husband and wife are doctors, Harvard graduates, and they're living in a $300,000 house.

00:06:49.000 I mean, that's a cracker box in Austin.

00:06:52.000 Austin's one of the more expensive places in Texas.

00:06:55.000 But look, don't worry.

00:06:56.000 They're just quitting.

00:06:57.000 They're leaving.

00:06:57.000 They're done.

00:06:59.000 And others en masse are saying, I'm not accepting Medicare and Medicaid anymore.

00:07:04.000 I'm not accepting Medicare because part of the health care bill they say is a 22% cut across the board of Medicare.

00:07:15.000 And that's in the AP today.

00:07:17.000 But some doctors Some specialists, it's less than 22, but many others, it's more than 50%.

00:07:26.000 So you do a procedure and you don't even get paid the money that'll pay the nurses and yourself and the anesthesiologist.

00:07:35.000 And you notice it's mainly Medicare people who are older who need the heart surgeries.

00:07:43.000 So I was reading in the article today about how Heart surgeons and people that deal with the vascular system are one of the biggest groups just saying I'm done.

00:07:53.000 They're either quitting or they're saying I'm not accepting Medicare.

00:07:57.000 Well Ron Paul, you know, wasn't accepting it.

00:08:00.000 Twenty-five years ago, when he was practicing medicine, because of this.

00:08:04.000 But he did have low rates.

00:08:06.000 So, if you don't have government and big corporations and insurance companies in the middle, stealing the money and investing it in derivatives, if you don't have all of that getting in the way, and you've got true free market in your health care, you have the best in the world and the least expensive in the world.

00:08:25.000 But also, Big Pharma is also involved in the health care bill.

00:08:29.000 Mandating that, oh, you don't get a knee surgery with your insurance.

00:08:34.000 No, we now mandate you just get drugs or a cortisone steroid shot.

00:08:39.000 So, well, I've already gotten into the subject.

00:08:41.000 Let me try to find it here in my stack.

00:08:43.000 Sometimes it's just quicker just to reprint the article.

00:08:52.000 But it was, I mean, I'm sure you've seen it.

00:08:53.000 It's been all over the news that doctors are just quitting everywhere or refusing to take Medicare.

00:09:00.000 Here it is.

00:09:01.000 This is the Houston Chronicle.

00:09:02.000 I have an AP article as well in the stack.

00:09:04.000 Texas doctors opting out of Medicare at alarming rate.

00:09:09.000 And I've never really seen national stories with the national numbers.

00:09:12.000 I guess those haven't been compiled yet, but I've seen it in Michigan, New York, Florida, Texas, all over.

00:09:17.000 Here's an example.

00:09:21.000 Everywhere I go, doctors tell me how they just want to quit.

00:09:25.000 I was talking to a doctor who's far from retirement, and he was discussing how he's an emergency room, emergency medicine MD, and how in the last couple years, and I'd also seen this in the news, they've started, as a way to harass doctors, they're the doctors, not the bureaucrats, having people at hospitals fill out customer satisfaction forms.

00:09:48.000 And I was telling this doctor about my dad, who's a dentist, and he says, beautiful women will come in and say, pull my tooth, it hurts.

00:09:55.000 Nothing's wrong with their tooth.

00:09:56.000 They want a bottle of painkillers.

00:09:58.000 So they're ready to have their tooth pulled out, and he'll say no, and they'll get mad and make harassing phone calls and try to make complaints.

00:10:04.000 And the doctor said, absolutely.

00:10:06.000 He said, doctors are on the verge of quitting everywhere, because since this went in in the last two years, it is just incredible.

00:10:14.000 He said, I'll be in there with a dying child from a car wreck.

00:10:17.000 No, they're dying.

00:10:19.000 And the person will bust in and say, I want my drugs, and they'll go look in the database or call the hospital across town and find out two hours ago they were given 45, you know, hydrocodones or whatever those pain pills are.

00:10:36.000 And then I kind of felt guilty of the time I was down at the emergency room on a Sunday.

00:10:39.000 I basically cut my finger off.

00:10:41.000 It was dangling.

00:10:43.000 And I was watching Illegal Aliens saying they had stomachaches and stuff going ahead of me. 0.99

00:10:46.000 I was being patient.

00:10:47.000 I was worried they wouldn't be able to fix my finger and it is numb to this day.

00:10:51.000 And I kind of got up there but I was very cold and I said, listen.

00:10:55.000 Listen, you need to do this.

00:10:56.000 And then the lady was honest.

00:10:58.000 We're waiting for a surgeon to get here, sir.

00:11:00.000 We don't have anybody with that expertise right now.

00:11:02.000 Then the lady showed up and she was a fan of the show and brought me back and said, I know you don't want to take a tetanus shot and I don't like vaccines either, but this is really one you need.

00:11:10.000 You cut this on the side of a barge.

00:11:13.000 It's the exact kind of thing.

00:11:14.000 And I just said, I don't care.

00:11:16.000 I waive liability verbally in front of all of you.

00:11:19.000 Sew it up.

00:11:21.000 And so she spent about 20 minutes with just You know, with that iodine substance, just scrubbing it and going over and getting in the cracks.

00:11:31.000 And she did a good job and sewed it up, and I'm very appreciative of that.

00:11:36.000 But I was feeling guilty.

00:11:38.000 It kind of gave me another perspective of where he said one time there was a dying child, and this person bust in screaming, demanding drugs.

00:11:45.000 That person should be I'm not for police brutality, but those drug heads need to have their teeth knocked in. 1.00

00:11:51.000 So, I mean, the doctors are just under siege, ladies and gentlemen.

00:11:55.000 They have the most stressful job there is.

00:11:58.000 And we're going to lose them!

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00:15:56.000 We pulled up the average doctor's pay.

00:16:09.000 It's $137,000 a year.

00:16:10.000 I'd say $97,000.

00:16:11.000 But regardless, I mean, that is not that much money considering what the education costs, the intelligence level it takes to make it through medical school.

00:16:19.000 They could be making a lot more money in other industries.

00:16:23.000 And they're always getting the blame for everything.

00:16:27.000 And so they're just saying, I'm going to do something else.

00:16:29.000 I'm done.

00:16:31.000 And so the best health care system in the world is collapsing now.

00:16:34.000 And that's the government plan.

00:16:35.000 They know it's going to screw the system up.

00:16:37.000 And then they'll fully wreck it.

00:16:39.000 And we'll have total government health care.

00:16:42.000 And then they'll be able to decide what type of care you get, how long you're allowed to live.

00:16:47.000 It's just like New York State.

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00:17:07.000 This is a scientific tyranny where they make everyone a criminal, but them, the criminals.

00:17:15.000 You know, people think, well, we can turn the tide against this.

00:17:17.000 The Republicans are going to get into office.

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00:18:02.000 Newt Gingrich, I mean, give me a break.

00:18:05.000 I got news for you, Newt.

00:18:06.000 Just like John McCain and others, you are being exposed, and you are not going to win.

00:18:12.000 Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich gives President Obama only a 20% chance of being re-elected.

00:18:18.000 I agree with that.

00:18:19.000 And says he might be the one to give Obama the boot.

00:18:22.000 That's right, Gingrich, who this week published a book called To Save America.

00:18:26.000 Oh, yes, Newt.

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00:18:33.000 Well, I mean, Bush tripled the size of government.

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00:25:04.000 we got a lot of active duty active duty military and uh... folks holding the one of the common will recovering last hour The fact that the military is being trained for gun confiscation, it's in the news, but that more and more military is saying no and going public and saying I'm not going to be part of this.

00:25:24.000 This is unconstitutional.

00:25:26.000 So that's coming up with Ed, Bud, Preston and others that are holding.

00:25:30.000 I've got several big news Blitzes that I want to cover as well, like Woody Allen.

00:25:36.000 It would be good if Obama could be a dictator.

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00:25:53.000 These stories are all up at GCNlive.com.

00:25:58.000 So a whole bunch of key news coming up here after I take some more of your phone calls.

00:26:03.000 We do have Dr. Edwin Vieira on the state of the Constitution, the true role of the militia, and programs and plans he has to take back the states at the state level.

00:26:14.000 So solutions coming up in the fourth hour.

00:26:18.000 But I appreciate her coming on.

00:26:20.000 He relayed an email to her and she got it to us, and so I called He is lawyer, David Hammer's lawyer, Jesse Trinidou, and talked to his paralegals and confirmed that she's been a key Oklahoma City researcher who got in with Jesse Trinidou to get the signed affidavit from Terry Nichols, one of the co-conspirators on the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:26:49.000 That yes, McVeigh was a government operative and told him he was an operative.

00:26:53.000 Then we separately have police, military, other testimony.

00:26:57.000 We've gotten secret federal documents that Trinidad has sued in federal court to be released, where the head of the FBI anti-terror force was in Oklahoma City and lied about it and was intimately involved.

00:27:08.000 I've interviewed people that survived.

00:27:10.000 in the office building fifteen years ago like Jane Graham I'm just recapping this who saw McVeigh and military operatives in there as maintenance people planning gray sticks of butter she thought they were working on the telephones I mean it goes on and on this was a government operation so even get in Oklahoma City almost does it disservice to just briefly talk about it but that's all the time we have today now

00:27:33.000 Mr. Hammer hadn't been allowed to do interviews, which, when I have the federal court rulings, is unconstitutional, for 11 years.

00:27:41.000 The last interview he did was with the L.A.

00:27:45.000 Times.

00:27:47.000 And of course he talked and was with McVeigh for years before they even built the Terre Haute Indiana Federal Execution Center.

00:27:54.000 He was at the previous federal facility where they were holding him before that and McVeigh told him all this.

00:27:59.000 He's written two books on the subject.

00:28:02.000 Margaret Roberts, a journalist who wrote the preface for Hammer's 2004 book, Secrets Worth Dying For, Timothy McVeigh, and the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:28:11.000 We were contacted by him and so I talked to the law office and others and they marched into Hammer and we have his whole account now he's been put on lockdown in solitary confinement.

00:28:24.000 They took away his phone privileges where he's allowed to call That's why you didn't hear the background noise of this is a correctional facility because it was his private legal call, but he was able to get through to us on that system.

00:28:39.000 And this really fell in our lap.

00:28:41.000 I mean, I knew about Hammer, and I knew about the Oklahoma City information, and I knew that he'd done an interview a few weeks before on Anti-War Radio, which is a pretty big website.

00:28:51.000 And I checked into it and there's nothing illegal about interviewing him.

00:28:56.000 In fact, what they're doing is illegal under the First Amendment.

00:28:59.000 I mean, I don't want to be arrested and disappear into a black hole, and I can't ever get out to the media.

00:29:04.000 But they did come and grab him, and he is freeing for his life, and they told him they wanted to take him to an unscheduled, middle-of-the-night medical exam, but he refused.

00:29:13.000 And you do have control over yourself in medical issues.

00:29:17.000 It's one of the few rights you still have on death row.

00:29:21.000 And I'm not saying David Hammer's a perfect person, but his whole story matches with the stuff we already have, the info we already have in Triplicate.

00:29:28.000 Plus, he is on death row for, you know, basically...

00:29:31.000 Killing somebody in a fight in prison.

00:29:34.000 I'm not saying that's good. 0.99

00:29:35.000 That's bad.

00:29:36.000 He was in prison for something else and then went on death row for murder in prison.

00:29:42.000 So, very, very serious information.

00:29:45.000 But we have this new development and it's up on InfoWars.com.

00:29:49.000 Key Oklahoma bombing witness denied access to attorney's fears for his life by Kurt Nemo.

00:29:57.000 And then it has the full letter.

00:29:58.000 uh... in here uh... by david hammer but right now we're gonna go to uh... margaret roberts who's been a key researcher involved in this for years uh... margaret to have you with us thank you alex it's good to be here i wish it was under other circumstances absolutely i know how are they keeping him uh... from talking to the media even though courts are ruling they can do this well i think what happens is you know in theory

00:30:28.000 These inmates are allowed to have interviews, but every time somebody specifically, some reporter or producer specifically requests an interview with Hammer, it's denied.

00:30:41.000 So it's, you know, time and time again, he has not been able to speak to the media.

00:30:49.000 Now just recapping briefly Hammer's case, I do that for us because you've been an integral part of the research, and then currently flesh out what's in his letter about the type of persecution he's going through for the information he's put out here, because the feds told him if you won't write this book about McVeigh being a US government agent, And saying that they were going to stage his death, which is what two separate reporters said at the time.

00:31:12.000 He was still breathing when McVeigh was brought out, when he was executed.

00:31:15.000 I mean, he doesn't have any motive to be doing this, except that he is telling the truth.

00:31:20.000 Yeah, I think he really doesn't have a motive.

00:31:23.000 You see Hammer say, you know, I'm going to die in prison.

00:31:28.000 And actually, Alex, the reason I agreed to write the preface, I actually wrote the preface for this new book, Deadly Secrets.

00:31:37.000 And the reason I did that was that as a journalist, you know, I knew very well that credibility was going to be the issue for David Hammer.

00:31:48.000 And I've been following your website here this morning, and I see that this has kicked up quite a lot of noise, and people are rightly saying, why should we believe this guy on death row?

00:31:59.000 As I wrote in my preface, as a reporter in Chicago, I broke a big story way back in the 1980s about an innocent prisoner on death row.

00:32:10.000 And he was proved to be innocent, and the real killers were discovered, and he walked free.

00:32:17.000 And to me, the lesson was, yes, you have to exercise great scrutiny when you examine a story that's coming off death row.

00:32:27.000 But at the same time, Alex, the truth can come off death row.

00:32:31.000 So that was the lesson there for me.

00:32:36.000 I was a producer for America's Most Wanted, and in 2005, started looking into this Oklahoma City bombing from the fugitive aspect, John Doe No. 2.

00:32:49.000 I know you've covered and covered this.

00:32:52.000 That's when I ran into Jesse Trinidou and David Hammers.

00:32:59.000 Interviews with Timothy McVeigh and the possibility that Jesse Trinidou's brother, Kenneth, who was a mysterious prison suicide in quotation marks, that he may have been linked to the bombing.

00:33:13.000 So that's how I became involved in this research.

00:33:18.000 And through it, now for several years, have watched as Jesse Trinidou and David Hammer have collaborated, and then David, you know, has been off on his own path, and find it very impressive what David has synthesized from his own researches, conducted from, of all places, his cell in death row,

00:33:44.000 Um, as well as covering what Jesse's done, what the excellent investigative reporter J.D.

00:33:51.000 Cass did too.

00:33:55.000 And through this period, Alex, Hammer Has been volunteering to step forward and tell his story.

00:34:03.000 I noticed that one of your writers to the website this morning was commenting on the demeanor, the tenor of Hammer's presentation to you in that excellent hour-long interview you did last week.

00:34:18.000 The human voice tells a lot about credibility.

00:34:20.000 That's all Hammer has ever asked to do, is to step forward and tell his story.

00:34:25.000 But the FBI has fought tooth and nail all the way up to federal appellate courts to shut Hammer up.

00:34:33.000 And I think any reasonable mind would have to ask, 15 years after the fact, why is that so important that you not allow a man to tell a story?

00:34:46.000 Well, even more than that, certainly there's a cover-up going on, and they're fighting very hard to continue it.

00:34:54.000 But everything he's been saying, years later, with Jesse Trinidad's lawsuits, comes out in federal documents, comes out in major Newspapers, it comes out that the feds were basically running Elohim City, that there were warnings, that the head of the FBI anti-terrorism group was there the week before, in the day of the event, and lied about it.

00:35:16.000 He wasn't in Dallas.

00:35:17.000 Absolutely.

00:35:18.000 The list goes on and on.

00:35:19.000 And this was a government operation, separate from anything Hammer says.

00:35:26.000 It's just incredible, the amount of evidence.

00:35:30.000 From all of your research, what's the bottom line on Oklahoma City?

00:35:34.000 Well, you know, every reporter, every journalist always has a working theory.

00:35:40.000 I, and which is subject to change, the more you learn, the more you know.

00:35:45.000 But I think a very important dot that Hammer connects, and by the way, if I may share for your listeners, this book is only available one place, the website for the publisher, www.authorhouse.com.

00:36:02.000 That's the only place you can read this book.

00:36:06.000 My working theory, based upon my own research and watching what Hammer and Jesse Trinidou have developed, and I think this is the dot that Hammer connects, a very important one, Alex, is the use of criminals as informants.

00:36:25.000 Reporting directly to federal law enforcement.

00:36:30.000 I think that's going to be a major element of this story once the whole story is told.

00:36:36.000 As Hammer points out, most, virtually all, of the members of this Aryan Republican Army bank robbery gang that Timothy McVeigh fingered as his On the ground support squad in Oklahoma City on April 19 virtually every one of them at one time or another before during or after the Oklahoma City bombing was functioning as A criminal informant to federal law enforcement.

00:37:06.000 Well, we know the feds do this everywhere. 0.99

00:37:07.000 They'll have a convicted arsonist, child molester, bank robber, and then they'll be used in court against people who don't even have a criminal record.

00:37:16.000 So here's the government saying, don't listen to David Hammer, he's a convict on death row, but then listen to all of our Criminal informants that we're using, and then when their clean criminal informant, Howell, was inside Elohim City and came out and said they're getting ready to blow up the federal building, they indicted her just to shut her up because one agency didn't know what the other agency was doing.

00:37:39.000 But finishing up with that, we need to talk about Mr. Hammer, what we know about him now being basically punished, and his letter that made it out.

00:37:48.000 Have we heard anything else from him?

00:37:49.000 Actually, yes.

00:37:50.000 I'm happy to say, Alex, that this morning I have had another email from Hammer.

00:37:56.000 He remains extremely concerned about what is to come.

00:38:01.000 Obviously, this disciplinary procedure will go forward.

00:38:07.000 How heavy it's going to be is unknown so far.

00:38:12.000 As you know in the email he sent yesterday, which you posted on your website, he was fearing that it was going to be heavy consequences and was expecting that all of his communications would be shut down.

00:38:28.000 So far that has not happened.

00:38:31.000 His plea was, you know, if this makes sense to people out there, that he is representing this story and the continuing research effort, You know, he was encouraging people to be in touch with the prison.

00:38:48.000 If I may say, if I may add, Alex, one of the amazing Well, not so amazing to me as I come out of the America's Most Wanted enterprise, which I worked for for some years.

00:39:01.000 The information that is starting to surface through, you know, your listeners.

00:39:06.000 We've had, you know, very interesting emails, factual informational emails.

00:39:12.000 Um, just continuing to add, you know, clues and leads to this.

00:39:17.000 This is what could be the tipping point of this entire investigation.

00:39:22.000 Is that if, as David Hammer has shaken the tree here to bring information in, and as you have You know, had the courage to, you know, get on the air and really give this a hearing.

00:39:37.000 Let's solve this.

00:39:39.000 You know, that's basically what Hammer says in his book.

00:39:41.000 Let's solve this.

00:39:42.000 And there are more very important moments just down the horizon.

00:39:48.000 And one of them is Jesse Trinidad's fight over these surveillance tapes and why is the FBI Again, fighting tooth and nail to keep these pictures secret.

00:39:59.000 You asked me what is my theory.

00:40:01.000 I think the videotape that the FBI is still holding is going to show us pictures of people who were with Timothy McVeigh on the morning of 4-19-95.

00:40:16.000 And I think those pictures will be revelatory as to the potential, you know, government involvement in some way or other here.

00:40:26.000 But for 15 years they've been declaring national security on all those different videotapes.

00:40:30.000 But we do have the witnesses that day and the days before who did see McVeigh all over the building, in the ATF offices, you name it.

00:40:39.000 I mean, these are credible people who are on record that worked there and who saw him.

00:40:44.000 Yes, I think all of this goes exactly back to that, and to your listeners who are kind of shouting, don't listen to David Hammer, I would just say remember that, you know, more than a dozen honest witnesses in Oklahoma and Kansas swore they saw John Doe No.

00:41:08.000 2 with Timothy McVeigh.

00:41:11.000 And who was that man?

00:41:15.000 Just incredible.

00:41:16.000 You know, I want to get you back for a full hour in the near future to really go over Oklahoma City from your perspective, because we can't just do it just as... I'd be so glad to do that, and I was so... It was a tremendous interview you did, Alex.

00:41:29.000 You brought... You know, this was the fight to keep this silent, and you brought this story out, and people did hear David Hammer in his own words, and I thought he was persuasive.

00:41:44.000 No, so did my family and friends that heard it.

00:41:46.000 But again, if you've really researched the info, you know how persuasive, because he was saying a lot of these things before it ever even came out.

00:41:52.000 And a lot of this has now been confirmed through the lawsuits of Jesse Trinidad in the federal court.

00:41:58.000 Margaret Roberts, is there a website or some personal site folks can visit of yours?

00:42:03.000 Definitely.

00:42:04.000 Please visit www.deadly-secrets.com.

00:42:10.000 Deadly-secrets.com.

00:42:13.000 And there is a box for information.

00:42:16.000 More than anything, David Hammer would say, were he able to be here to say it himself, is Somebody out there knows who was behind the Oklahoma City bombing.

00:42:28.000 If anybody that's listening has any fragment of information first-hand about that, particularly those of you in Oklahoma City, please go to the website.

00:42:38.000 Please be in touch.

00:42:39.000 We are not going to stop.

00:42:41.000 We are going to solve this case.

00:42:43.000 Well, God bless you, ma'am.

00:42:44.000 I look forward to talking to you again.

00:42:45.000 We appreciate your years of tireless effort.

00:42:48.000 You've gotten so much information out from Terry Nichols and others, Margaret Roberts.

00:42:52.000 We'll talk to you again very soon.

00:42:53.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:42:55.000 You bet.

00:42:55.000 Keep up the good work.

00:42:56.000 We're gonna come back, take your phone calls.

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00:46:10.000 But right now, I appreciate the military folks holding the phones.

00:46:14.000 They're now just completely open on any subject you'd like to discuss at 800-259-9231.

00:46:18.000 But we're going to go to Preston in Japan, active duty, Ed in Louisiana, and Bud, Howard, Steve, and others.

00:46:27.000 But Preston in Japan, you're on the air, sir.

00:46:29.000 Go ahead.

00:46:31.000 Hi, Alex.

00:46:33.000 I think you're Alex.

00:46:35.000 Hi, just Military Police and I just wanted to call and comment on the open phone lines you had today.

00:46:42.000 You know, I see a pattern emerging that I've had actually for the past few months.

00:46:47.000 You know, we have training days where I'm at about twice every month and one of the things is that at the beginning of the training day, beginning of the training period, The very first thing they always breeze over is martial law, and the difference between qualified and absolute martial law, and also the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth Amendments, and the Apache Kalapatas Act, and some of the Crimes Act.

00:47:16.000 And, um, you know, we get it beaten into us.

00:47:18.000 And, um, you know, from what my own experience, I've been in the military, you know, for almost four years.

00:47:25.000 Um, I've never, Been trained to confiscate weapons.

00:47:29.000 You know, except for in instances where it's a search, a legally authorized search.

00:47:36.000 But they said that in New Orleans.

00:47:38.000 They said, we say it's legal, go get their guns.

00:47:42.000 Yep.

00:47:43.000 You're saying that they now, I mean this is new though, I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but what I got from what you said is that this is new now, that suddenly at the start of the drills they describe different variants or different threat continuums, different escalations of that suddenly at the start of the drills they describe different variants Yes, that's true, but also going along with your point, I don't believe that the military will actually confiscate weapons willingly.

00:48:11.000 I mean, I'm not a member of Oath Keepers, but I do support them, and I will keep my oath to the Constitution.

00:48:18.000 I will not confiscate weapons.

00:48:20.000 Well, that's good news, sir.

00:48:21.000 What about other members of your unit?

00:48:23.000 What's their view on average?

00:48:25.000 What percent would you dead reckon have your view versus the other view, A?

00:48:30.000 And then B, how do they describe martial law to you?

00:48:34.000 Well, you know, I don't think that many members of my unit personally will actually follow an order to confiscate weapons because they recognize, you know, every American has a Second Amendment right.

00:48:45.000 And if they were in that position, they wouldn't want their weapons confiscated either, you know.

00:48:50.000 I mean, the military in general, you know, I will agree that there are those that are hard chargers and will follow whatever orders they're given.

00:48:59.000 But, you know, with the branch of service, we're almost taught to question orders.

00:49:04.000 Sure, well that's the catch-22 with police and military.

00:49:07.000 They know guns aren't the boogeyman the media says they are, so you've got these global communists basically trying to demonize guns, but the military knows all about guns, and they love guns, and they're not going to buy it.

00:49:21.000 That's right.

00:49:22.000 That's right.

00:49:25.000 So, personally, I don't just see the military coming in and confiscating weapons.

00:49:29.000 But, you know, I agree with your comment, which you said earlier, that they, um, some will follow orders, most will question orders.

00:49:37.000 I, personally, I won't confiscate any weapons.

00:49:39.000 I don't think any members of my unit would do the same thing.

00:49:42.000 Okay, so what are they saying, though, now that they're suddenly telling you about martial law?

00:49:47.000 Well, this has just been an emerging pattern that I've seen over the past, uh, six or seven months.

00:49:52.000 And, um, you know, When they talk about martial law, it's always going to be the difference between qualified and absolute martial law.

00:49:59.000 Give us that definition.

00:50:02.000 Well, qualified martial law is where there's a national emergency or natural disaster, like Katrina for example.

00:50:11.000 The local court system was still in place and still had authority.

00:50:17.000 The military basically just came in to assist.

00:50:19.000 Back up, what's the other type of martial law?

00:50:22.000 It's absolute martial law.

00:50:23.000 It's where the military takes control, essentially, over the court system, over the police, and has final authority and say over just about everything.

00:50:31.000 And are you being trained for that?

00:50:35.000 I wouldn't say we are, but we... Stay there!

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00:52:05.000 Not only do we have all the mainstream news articles and I've interviewed the colonels involved with open gun confiscation drills in places like Iowa.

00:52:13.000 Not only do we have all these czars in the White House and the new Supreme Court nominee calling for an end of free speech, secret arrest of citizens by the Pentagon.

00:52:24.000 This is conditioning.

00:52:26.000 Preston calls in from Japan, and we know this is confirmed under NORTHCOM.

00:52:30.000 They admit they're training for open martial law, absolute martial law, under infrastructure protection, continuity of government, COG, but suddenly the last seven months, and he's been in for four years, and he's in Japan, they're teaching him You know, the baby martial law, where they just help in an emergency versus total takeover of society.

00:52:52.000 But again, now they're training them for both types.

00:52:56.000 Finish up your statement on that.

00:52:58.000 I mean, does that creep you out, Preston, that suddenly they're teaching you about full bore martial law?

00:53:08.000 Well, I won't say it creeps me out, because I first learned about all this in boot camp.

00:53:12.000 And, I mean, most military members always talk about this in boot camp.

00:53:16.000 But, you know, depending on their job, what they do, they don't necessarily go over the tour of duty as much as they like the police do, like we do.

00:53:25.000 So, but I have noticed, like I said, noticed an increasing trend that, you know, it's just like the nail hitting on the head continually over and over again.

00:53:32.000 And it's being, I wouldn't say beaten into us, but we're reminded of it, you know, at least twice a month.

00:53:39.000 And we have been taught in how to help implement that and what our positions would be.

00:53:47.000 And are they saying under total martial law that they're going to go after the guns?

00:53:50.000 Because in the drills that they're having, they are, you know, cordoning neighborhoods and going door-to-door.

00:53:57.000 And we have Schenectady, New York mayor.

00:53:59.000 We have the disgraced Governor Blagojevich last year, before he got kicked out, saying, I want the National Guard here to confiscate guns.

00:54:06.000 I mean, you know, Marines running checkpoints looking for drunk drivers.

00:54:09.000 I mean, they're certainly acclimating right now.

00:54:13.000 Yes, they are.

00:54:13.000 I'll agree with that.

00:54:14.000 Definitely.

00:54:15.000 But as far as my unit goes, we are not being actively taught how to confiscate weapons, and I've never been.

00:54:23.000 In the past four years of my entire military career, I've never been taught how to confiscate weapons, except for a lawful search.

00:54:34.000 So I can definitely see how there is ramping up for all the services.

00:54:41.000 And I talked to other services and their military police units.

00:54:45.000 I have several friends with them.

00:54:47.000 And you know, it's the same with them too.

00:54:49.000 They're having the same kind of ramp up.

00:54:52.000 Well, I talked to my cousin and he said they're even training you know the mechanics uh... in riot control in the national guard now uh... and uh... you know he's always been in the military regular army and now he's a regular army liaison to the national guard anyone really talk about it uh... but He just shakes his head.

00:55:16.000 He just says, I'm not, you know, because he's an officer, he just says, Alex, you have no idea.

00:55:22.000 And so I think that's where you really see it is in the, is these units that are crossover, big army, national guard in the States.

00:55:31.000 You're right.

00:55:31.000 And you know, we do have, uh, something called auxiliary security forces.

00:55:35.000 They, uh, they have their normal military jobs, whether they're the mechanic or, uh, they work on aircraft or they work on tanks or whatever the deal may be.

00:55:44.000 And they will come in and augment and supplement us from time to time.

00:55:47.000 And they receive the same training as well.

00:55:49.000 Well, we're running out of time and I appreciate your call, but just to throw this last question in, I mean, are you guys having discussions of why this is suddenly happening?

00:55:58.000 I mean, I would guess it's about the financial collapse or, I mean, what do the guys think is going on?

00:56:06.000 You know, most of the guys are completely oblivious to really what goes on.

00:56:12.000 with politics or anything that goes on with the news.

00:56:14.000 Most of them just want to get their paycheck and have their weekend.

00:56:19.000 But like I said, most of them are good guys.

00:56:22.000 I don't really see any of them going in and confiscating any weapons.

00:56:27.000 Unless the right-wing terrorists blow up a bunch of cities, then we're going to have to.

00:56:32.000 See, that's how they're setting it up.

00:56:35.000 Well, excellent information, Preston.

00:56:37.000 We appreciate you.

00:56:39.000 God bless.

00:56:41.000 All right, we got Ed in Louisiana, former military, Bud in Georgia, Katrina, which just got some key info.

00:56:48.000 I'm going to get to you while Eben Vieira is with us.

00:56:52.000 Stay there, everybody.

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01:00:20.000 Well, for the balance of this radio broadcast, the next 52 minutes, Dr. Edwin Vieira joins us.

01:00:26.000 And we're going to be talking about the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, this imperial federal government, the open, unprecedented assaults on the core of the Bill of Rights, the preparations for martial law in this country, with Dr. Edwin Vieira.

01:00:43.000 So we're going to get to Bud and Ed and others who are military to comment on the type of training they've been given or comments they have on the military saying no to this.

01:00:54.000 Oath Keepers has now got an interview with a sergeant who was involved in Katrina and he said that upwards of half or even more, but he saw about half of them, say we're not going to be in formation saying we're not taking part in gun confiscation.

01:01:06.000 And that really shut the whole thing down.

01:01:08.000 Though they had ABC News and CBS and Fox running around with teams of military, regular army that were doing it.

01:01:15.000 We played those videos last hour.

01:01:18.000 But Dr. Edwin Vieira holds four degrees from Harvard, Harvard College, A.M.

01:01:25.000 and Ph.D., Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, J.D.

01:01:29.000 Harvard Law School, and he's won cases at the Supreme Court.

01:01:32.000 If I tried to read his bio, it would get me going forever.

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01:01:46.000 We'll tell you more about his books and materials.

01:01:48.000 I believe he's written another book since then, and he's also started a movement to really take back the states, and he's a big part of the film I consulted on, that I'm also in, Don't Tread on Me, Rise of the Republic.

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01:02:24.000 Dr. Edwin Vieira, before we get into the Supreme Court and what's happening there, you were on hold listening to that MP officer talking about suddenly they're being trained about the different types of martial law.

01:02:35.000 What's that sound like to you?

01:02:36.000 Well, this goes back a fair ways, Alex, of course, because they've been anticipating for a long time, based on what they understand to be the inherent instability of this monetary and banking system that we're going to be in.

01:02:48.000 For a great deal of economic chaos, if you will.

01:02:51.000 Not simply crisis, but chaos.

01:02:52.000 And that will obviously lead to social dislocations, political unrest.

01:02:57.000 I mean, imagine things like the Watts riots or the Los Angeles riots.

01:03:01.000 Most people are familiar with that in recent history.

01:03:04.000 Or what happened in Argentina is a good example.

01:03:06.000 At the turn of the 20th century, they had a couple of events like that earlier.

01:03:12.000 I think that's what the powers that be are looking towards, and they probably don't believe, I certainly don't believe that they're capable of finessing the difficulties they're having with the Federal Reserve currency and the debt level of the federal government, so forth and so on.

01:03:27.000 So they're anticipating this will happen.

01:03:28.000 They know that they don't have Enough, as the expression goes, boots on the ground within the local and state police forces.

01:03:36.000 So this means they have to turn to the National Guard, the regular army, to try and maintain their version of social order.

01:03:45.000 And that's where the whole concept of martial law comes in, and of course the training that follows from that.

01:03:50.000 And of course, your deep research in papers and books you've written on it have been seminal roadmaps.

01:03:55.000 Ron Paul has quoted them as seminal roadmaps in his research, that if they wanted real homeland security, it would spring from the state and the county and would be the bonafide militia of 1789.

01:04:06.000 Well, if you go to the Constitution and you look for the word security, where do you find it?

01:04:13.000 The only place it exists is in the Second Amendment, a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.

01:04:19.000 And it's not just security for security's sake.

01:04:22.000 It's security for this concept called a free state, which is what the entire Constitution is intended to uphold.

01:04:28.000 And that's certainly not what most people today, myself, would call a martial law.

01:04:33.000 It's something entirely different.

01:04:34.000 And it's tied to this institution called a well-regulated militia.

01:04:39.000 And if you want to know what that is, you put yourself back in the context of the Founding Fathers, most of whom, if they were, the Founding Fathers by definition being males, most of whom had served or were then members of various state militias that trace back their history into the 1600s.

01:04:58.000 You can find all of the principles for the organization of a well-regulated militia in just hundreds of these statutes that were passed.

01:05:06.000 In the 13 colonies of an independent states prior to the ratification of the Constitution.

01:05:11.000 And to interrupt, the Democrats especially, but also Republicans argue, no, that means well regulated military, but it says The people, I mean there in the Second Amendment it says the people, the rights of the people.

01:05:25.000 I mean clearly it's a hundred percent defined as this militia for our security is the people.

01:05:32.000 And of course if everybody's got guns and knows how to use them, most people aren't criminals, you're going to have a very free and safe society and a polite society.

01:05:42.000 Of course, the Second Amendment in a sense is redundant there because if you look At these malicious statutes which define what those people considered to be a well-regulated militia.

01:05:52.000 What do those militias consist of?

01:05:54.000 Well at the time it was every able-bodied free man from 16 to 55 or 60 when you became too old to function anymore.

01:06:02.000 Now of course they had slaves and the women were not legally emancipated so it was limited at that time to men.

01:06:07.000 We might have a slight change in that composition.

01:06:10.000 But the idea was it was the organization of the entire community.

01:06:15.000 We're supposed to have a self-governing republic in each one of the states, a republican form of government, and a self-governing community involves everyone participating to some degree, literally having a duty to participate in the governmental structure.

01:06:29.000 As the Constitution tells us in the Second Amendment, the key element to maintaining this free state, this republican form of government, is what?

01:06:37.000 A well-regulated militia, which consists of whom?

01:06:40.000 The people!

01:06:41.000 So this whole idea that the National Guard is the militia or somehow the army or whatever... I mean, all you have to do is read the Constitution and see that the provisions dealing with the Army and the Navy are separate from the provisions dealing with the militia.

01:06:53.000 They're two different entities.

01:06:55.000 They know exactly what they're doing.

01:06:59.000 Now let's shift gears, sir, and pick your powerful brain on these issues.

01:07:05.000 One of the leading constitutional scholars out there, Dr. Eben Vieira, joins us right now, if you just tuned in.

01:07:12.000 Just, I want to get your take on the overall atmosphere, if you're shocked by it, because I was expecting this, but still, it's one thing to know it's coming, but to see it happen, the violent belligerence act that clearly states, you know, in the text, we've shown it here probably a hundred times the last two months, it's very close to passing.

01:07:29.000 Where it says if the Army or the Justice Department wants you, you disappear for even any intelligence purpose, and only an act of Congress can even discover where you are.

01:07:40.000 You've got Cass Sunstein saying we can shut down free speech, tax free speech, make people carry what information we want in their newspapers or websites.

01:07:49.000 You've got Elena Kagan, and I've got the quotes, basically saying we can ban any speech we want, we can go after the Second Amendment.

01:07:57.000 I mean, these people They're running around saying, we'll put you on a secret list with no fly, no buy, you can't own guns.

01:08:04.000 They've got Republicans supporting that.

01:08:06.000 The end of habeas corpus.

01:08:08.000 I mean, it's just, it's just, the Supreme Court just ruled, you know, no rights for detainees, indefinite detention.

01:08:15.000 I mean, it's just, for me, as a layman, but somebody who studied the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and history, is this not the most Orwellian system we could imagine?

01:08:27.000 I think Stalinist is actually the word for it.

01:08:30.000 I suppose it's Orwellian in the sense that Orwell wrote fiction, and we're looking at something which is so extraordinarily difficult to believe that it could even happen at all, let alone that it's happening so quickly.

01:08:40.000 If you look at the rise of the police state mechanism, 9-11, the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and now there's various things that you're talking about.

01:08:51.000 Well, how long has this been?

01:08:52.000 Right?

01:08:53.000 A decade?

01:08:55.000 How quickly has this country degenerated?

01:08:58.000 And the amazing thing to me is the uniformity of opinion among Democrats, Republicans, in the court system, in the media, the orchestration of this.

01:09:10.000 Is what really, I shouldn't say shocks me, but it just surprises me how well the wheels have been greased to move this forward at a very rapid speed, much faster than I certainly would have predicted, but I think it's primarily because the economic system is deteriorating much faster than most of us would have predicted.

01:09:29.000 Well said.

01:09:29.000 I mean, when I really lay in bed and I'm thinking about this, I ask myself, how do I hear a UT law professor saying the health care bill's constitutional on local radio, and out of his mouth next he says, stripping us of habeas corpus is good, and the guy was supposedly a liberal.

01:09:46.000 I mean, this guy isn't a liberal.

01:09:47.000 He's not a conservative. 0.99

01:09:48.000 He's a tyrant. 0.99

01:09:49.000 He's a danger to us all.

01:09:52.000 And it's the consistency among these people on both sides of the so-called political spectrum, once again proving that the political spectrum that they present to us is essentially fictional.

01:10:03.000 It's there for another purpose.

01:10:05.000 It doesn't really represent a dichotomy in the views of the people on that side of the yellow line, if you will.

01:10:11.000 They all have essentially the same view, which to use, I think, the correct word is basically totalitarian.

01:10:17.000 They're going to tell us what to do and to hell with us, basically.

01:10:22.000 They don't intend to listen to us.

01:10:24.000 We are supposed to listen to them.

01:10:26.000 And everything that's coming out of that's amazing.

01:10:29.000 Cass Sunstein is a good example.

01:10:31.000 It's coming out of Harvard Law School, because I attended Harvard.

01:10:33.000 It was a pretty liberal place, even in my day.

01:10:35.000 And it's become quite a bit more liberal since then.

01:10:38.000 That was back in the 1970s.

01:10:40.000 And here's a professor at Harvard Law School who is blatantly promoting the suppression of political speech.

01:10:50.000 It's incredible!

01:10:50.000 And broad!

01:10:51.000 He didn't just pick out the Nazis to set the precedent, he said, arrest someone if they say anthropogenic global warming is a fraud!

01:10:59.000 That's right!

01:11:00.000 How far does this go?

01:11:02.000 Well, it goes to the Stalinist point that if you say essentially anything that's against the regime, the NKVD will show up at 3 o'clock in the morning and you'll disappear into the gulag!

01:11:12.000 And now I turn CNN on and they've got Lieberman and McCain going, we want to be able to secretly arrest you!

01:11:19.000 And strip you of your citizenship. 0.97

01:11:22.000 Yes!

01:11:23.000 Alright, let's take that next step, right?

01:11:25.000 Strip you of your citizenship. 0.99

01:11:26.000 So that now, theoretically, all sorts of rights disappear.

01:11:30.000 Simply as a consequence of that.

01:11:32.000 Now, of course, if people want to be stripped of citizenship, I think that's unconstitutional as a principle.

01:11:37.000 But if you were to accept that principle, it would strike me that the first people on that list would be these public officials who have violated their oath to the Constitution of the United States.

01:11:47.000 Well, they do work for the foreign powers of the banking cartel.

01:11:51.000 Dr. Edwin Vieira, our amazing guest, will be right back after this quick break to continue and talk about Elena Kagan.

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01:15:02.000 If you're going into a battle and they give you a rifle and a sidearm, how much ammunition do you want?

01:15:07.000 My answer would be all I can get.

01:15:09.000 In the battle for freedom and the lives of your loved ones, food is your only ammunition.

01:15:14.000 How much do you want?

01:15:15.000 When do you want it?

01:15:16.000 Now or after the battle starts?

01:15:18.000 When will you need it?

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01:16:06.000 Father Edwin Vieira is with us for the rest of the hour.

01:16:09.000 Elena Kagan, I mean, what is this psychological tactic where they just throw everything in our face?

01:16:13.000 Are they trying to break our will, doctor?

01:16:15.000 Because here she is, never even been a judge.

01:16:18.000 She was never a lawyer.

01:16:19.000 She was never a litigator, for instance, but she has very little experience in the court system.

01:16:24.000 But then the papers we do have from the University of Chicago Law Review and others, I mean, this is Stalinistic! 0.58

01:16:31.000 She's a chip off the old Cass Sunstein block. 0.90

01:16:34.000 Give us your breakdown on Elena Kagan.

01:16:36.000 Well, I think that's exactly it.

01:16:38.000 There's a certain mentality there that's expressed in what she's written.

01:16:42.000 The interesting little vignette that came to me, she was a law clerk at the Supreme Court for Justice Blackmun, and a case came up involving a sub-Second Amendment question.

01:16:54.000 And she wrote a little memo to him saying that the case shouldn't, that the case shouldn't be granted, that the Supreme Court shouldn't hear it, because she was not sympathetic to the issue.

01:17:02.000 And I thought, well, that's an amazing attitude.

01:17:04.000 Whether or not an individual law clerk or a justice is sympathetic, personally sympathetic, to a constitutional question, decides whether these questions are going to be heard, well, that would strike me as really a disqualification in terms of their psychological propensities, if you will.

01:17:20.000 for dealing with this type of problem.

01:17:22.000 But then you look at the background, you look at what she's advocated, at least what she's in print as having advocated, and I would say that it's a very bad decision to put her on the court.

01:17:33.000 But it's a piece of what's coming out of the Obama administration.

01:17:38.000 And everything they do is of this type.

01:17:41.000 Well, again, just watching Supreme Court nominations over the decades, that's the number one thing, that they're impartial, and that they're going to follow the Constitution.

01:17:50.000 But here she is admitting, oh, I decide cases on what I believe in, and we know she's a gun grabber, and so that memo right there, she should be disqualified. 1.00

01:18:00.000 I think that's the attitude of the now Justice Sotomayor as well.

01:18:04.000 I mean, she would express the opinion that, well, judges make law. 1.00

01:18:08.000 What does that mean when you're in a constitutional context?

01:18:11.000 I take it that means that she thinks that she can make or unmake different provisions of the Constitution, which is clearly contrary to the whole theory of constitutional jurisprudence.

01:18:21.000 Well, why even have a Congress?

01:18:23.000 Why even have a President if the Supreme Court can do everything for us? 0.94

01:18:26.000 Well, that's right.

01:18:26.000 They've become the super legislature, in fact, superior to Congress because they can write constitutional decisions that, according to them, control what Congress can do.

01:18:36.000 They put themselves in a fantastic position, in fact superior to the people because of the people, to change the Constitution.

01:18:41.000 We have to go through the rather involved process under Article 5 of getting all of those three quarters of the states, through their legislatures or conventions, to agree to some constitutional change.

01:18:52.000 Whereas in the Supreme Court, five votes out of nine does it.

01:18:56.000 Plus, if they say the Constitution is whatever they say it is, it doesn't matter if we pass an amendment.

01:19:01.000 They would just basically exercise a veto.

01:19:04.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:19:05.000 They may tell us what our amendment means and it may be something quite different from what we thought it meant.

01:19:10.000 But let's go back to this psychological question.

01:19:13.000 The hubris or the arrogance.

01:19:16.000 Why would they bring somebody forward who is the worst candidate that I've ever seen in history for the Supreme Court?

01:19:22.000 I mean, she has no qualifications.

01:19:24.000 Well, number one, she's going to be there for a very long time.

01:19:26.000 They want their kind of person there, so she fits.

01:19:29.000 And she fits from the point of view of ideology.

01:19:32.000 And maybe also it's to show us that they can get away with anything they want to.

01:19:36.000 In very brazen fashion, because she is relatively outspoken in terms of the ideological proclivities.

01:19:43.000 She had all of that up.

01:19:44.000 But I think the real reason was she's someone who's going to be there quite a long time and she fits the ideological mold perfectly.

01:19:51.000 And she's apparently perfectly willing to exercise that ideology no matter what the Constitution may say. 0.99

01:19:59.000 But doesn't this just further discredit the court?

01:20:04.000 Uh, well, yes, I guess it does, but you tell me whether the court hasn't already been discredited beyond salvation at this point in time.

01:20:13.000 I mean, I spent years litigating cases in the Supreme Court before Sotomayor or Kagan came on the court, and I learned a long time ago that we were not going to restore the constitutional foundations of this republic through the Supreme Court of the United States.

01:20:29.000 Have the constitutional crisis that's happened before, as you know, where the Congress, because it controls the money, starts really exercising power, and what, cuts the money off to them?

01:20:29.000 So what do we do?

01:20:38.000 I mean, what do you do?

01:20:39.000 Well, I think we have to go through the states, number one, because there has to be a legislative solution here, and not a judicial solution.

01:20:45.000 As a practical matter, it's just too difficult to bring.

01:20:48.000 large numbers of these issues through the judicial system just takes too long, and then the courts try to limit the extent of the questions that are presented, and then they give you opinions that are insufficient, whatever.

01:20:58.000 It has to be a legislative solution, and it has to come through the states, because Congress right now is a wasteland.

01:21:04.000 I think you will end up with a constitutional crisis, You're going to come up to a situation where some significant number of states are taking one route, and Congress, perhaps backed by some of the other states, are taking another route, and the people are going to have to weigh in on one side or the other, and we can just keep our fingers crossed it'll be on the right side.

01:21:21.000 I agree.

01:21:22.000 This was a short segment, long segment coming up.

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01:24:56.000 We got a long way to go and a short time to get there, ladies and gentlemen.

01:25:05.000 I've got a bunch of questions on states' rights, how to take this country back, Alex, are you there?

01:25:11.000 historical research.

01:25:12.000 Dr. Ebenvier is a view on if he thinks we have a fighting chance or not, why the globalists are moving so fast.

01:25:18.000 But right now, let's get to a few of your calls that have been patiently holding.

01:25:22.000 Bud in Georgia, you're on the air.

01:25:25.000 Go ahead, sir.

01:25:26.000 Alex, are you there?

01:25:27.000 Yes, I am.

01:25:28.000 Hey, I am a retired person from a very large delivery company that drives brown trucks.

01:25:35.000 And I was assigned to help clean up my company's property at the hurricane.

01:25:41.000 Okay.

01:25:42.000 And in doing so, I was there two weeks.

01:25:46.000 In doing so, I don't think people really understand what martial law is.

01:25:52.000 There was the regular army, not reserves, regular army patrolling the streets.

01:26:02.000 We had to, we could not go to our area until After daylight, we had to be off the area by 6 a.m.

01:26:12.000 or 6 p.m.

01:26:14.000 We were escorted to the area where we were cleaning up.

01:26:18.000 And during that time, they were constantly walking the streets, monitoring everything.

01:26:27.000 And we were told when we left our building, which was about 60 miles away, The only thing we could have in our pockets, they gave us a lunch to take with us.

01:26:40.000 The only thing we could have in our pockets were our driver's license and our DOT card, which was required by the government.

01:26:51.000 Patrolling the area, we were in there to salvage our vehicles and things like that.

01:26:59.000 But while we were in there, You know, you start seeing these regular troops on a regular basis walking their routes, and I was approached by one.

01:27:11.000 As a matter of fact, I got my picture made with four of them in full combat.

01:27:18.000 I had my picture made and I still have that.

01:27:23.000 I was approached by one, came up to me and said, if I see anybody that looks like he's going to be looting, Or looks like he might have a weapon to come and get him that he wanted me to come get him personally that he wanted to take him out that they had orders to take anybody out that was looting or had a weapon And then they went and confiscated citizens' guns who were high and dry.

01:27:50.000 We've had military call in that talked about witnessing the police with chains ripping the doors off jewelry stores and dragging safes out.

01:28:00.000 Did you see, and it was also on the news, the police looting Walmart.

01:28:02.000 Did you see any of that?

01:28:04.000 No, I'm sorry I didn't see that.

01:28:06.000 I'm glad you didn't see it.

01:28:07.000 Well, God bless you, sir.

01:28:08.000 I appreciate that call.

01:28:09.000 For those who just joined us, those are some leftover callers from previous hour when we were taking calls from people that witnessed what martial law is like.

01:28:16.000 Going back to Dr. Edwin Vieira, shifting gears, I wanted to ask you this question.

01:28:23.000 During the break, I was saying, why are they so bold?

01:28:26.000 Why are they moving so fast?

01:28:27.000 And you said they're running out of time.

01:28:29.000 Recap that in your own words, because you've got some faith.

01:28:32.000 You think people are waking up.

01:28:35.000 Well, this economic machine that they're running out of the Federal Reserve is like a car with square wheels, Alex.

01:28:41.000 You drive a car with square wheels long enough, there'll be a lot of...

01:28:45.000 Damage to the front end, damage to the differential, damage to the transmission.

01:28:49.000 And at some stage, that car is going to fall apart.

01:28:52.000 Do you know that?

01:28:53.000 You just don't know exactly when, but as it's shaking itself to pieces, at a certain stage, you say, well, it's not going to be very much longer.

01:28:59.000 I think that's what they're looking at.

01:29:01.000 They recognize they can't really be sure they can keep this system under control, so they have to get as much control of us into place as possible in the shortest length of time, because they don't know exactly when the crisis is going to hit.

01:29:15.000 Uh, now the difficulty for them, however, is that their technique has always been the boiling of the frog story, right?

01:29:22.000 If you drop the frog into the hot pan of boiling water, the frog leaps out, literally, before it even gets into the water, whereas if you put the frog into cool water, and then, and, the frog will not notice what's happening and eventually be boiled.

01:29:37.000 They're heating up the pan now at an increasingly rapid rate, and I think the Numbers are waking up to the fact that they're being boiled.

01:29:46.000 And it's only a matter of a very short length of time when enough of them start to jump out of that pan.

01:29:51.000 I think we're seeing that.

01:29:52.000 The Tea Party movement, we're seeing that, of course, from what you're doing in educating people all over the country.

01:29:57.000 It's becoming more and more apparent that the blinders are being stripped off the eyes of the average American.

01:30:03.000 And he can see who's who and what's what, and now it's simply a matter of getting him to understand what needs to be done to deal with these problems that he recognizes are there, finally recognizes are there.

01:30:15.000 Break it down.

01:30:17.000 Where we're going, what individuals can do, what communities can do.

01:30:23.000 Let's say you're the general trying to direct people on the best course of action to take the Republic back from these people via the states, as well as the federal government.

01:30:34.000 What is the proper role of the states and the people under the 9th and 10th Amendment?

01:30:38.000 Of course, you've covered it, don't tread on me.

01:30:40.000 How do we legally and lawfully block and then checkmate this criminal takeover?

01:30:47.000 Well, I think, number one, we have to get control of our local economies, because if the economy goes down in general, the average man is going to be in a desperate situation.

01:30:57.000 He's going to be willing to take direction from higher-up authorities, from central government, from martial law figures, or the man on the white horse type syndrome.

01:31:07.000 And the economy is the thing that really is the linchpin here.

01:31:12.000 And we have the opportunity to do that, but it's going to require action at the state level, and action at the state level directed towards what?

01:31:18.000 Towards providing the foundation for any sound economy, which is a sound currency system.

01:31:23.000 We don't have that now.

01:31:24.000 Our problem is centrally located in the Federal Reserve System.

01:31:28.000 We wouldn't have all of these difficulties today, at least not to the degree that we have them, if that system-oriented operation hadn't been in operation since before World War I.

01:31:37.000 So we need to take action at the state level to bring in an alternative currency, and we see that already happening, at least in the sense that various state legislators are putting in bills to that effect.

01:31:48.000 There's one this year in Georgia and South Carolina.

01:31:51.000 There was one last year in Indiana and Montana.

01:31:54.000 I think Colorado had one.

01:31:55.000 People in Oklahoma are talking about it.

01:31:57.000 So I think it's a matter of folks at the grassroots Making the contacts with state legislators that they think have a true constitutionalist bent, number one, and some understanding of the economics of the situation, saying, look, we need you to take a strong look at this kind of legislation.

01:32:15.000 We can, in fact, we have the constitutional authority Actually, the Supreme Court already ruled on this particular question, ruled on this particular question in the late 1800s, whether a state could institute and use an alternative currency and not be required to use the currency that Congress had emitted at that time was the Lincoln Greenbacks, the irredeemable Lincoln Greenbacks. 0.52

01:32:36.000 So, we even have the Supreme Court on our side on this one, besides the Tenth Amendment and the Ninth Amendment.

01:32:42.000 So that's number one.

01:32:44.000 Because if you have the alternative currency in place, then that state is not going to suffer the full ravages of economic dislocations when this...

01:32:54.000 The banking system comes down, as I am fairly confident it will.

01:32:57.000 And I think the key here is you're saying we've got to start getting this in place now, and as Ron Paul and others have said, we have to identify the private central banks as the problem, so they can't use the crisis they've created to slingshot them into an even greater position of power.

01:33:12.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:33:13.000 We have to be in the position of saying in our states, we have an alternative currency system in place now, we don't need you or your solution to the problem that you caused.

01:33:24.000 Right?

01:33:24.000 You can take your paper money, and you can eat it if you want.

01:33:27.000 We no longer need that.

01:33:28.000 We don't need something from the IMF.

01:33:30.000 We don't need something from the Bank of International Settlements.

01:33:32.000 However, they intend to set this up on a global scale.

01:33:34.000 Because we have adopted a speculatively sound and constitutional currency.

01:33:38.000 That's step number one.

01:33:40.000 But step number two, then, has to be the organization within each state of the total community in the way the Constitution tells us is necessary to the security of the pre-state, that is the well-regulated militia, so that we can control our homeland security problems at the local and state level and not be dependent upon FEMA or the Army or, for that matter, even the National so that we can control our homeland security problems at the And that's why they've raced to make us so domesticated, where people see someone knifed and stabbed to death.

01:34:09.000 They're so lazy, they don't even call the police, much less help the person themselves. - That's right, the Kitty Genovese syndrome.

01:34:17.000 Right?

01:34:17.000 Remember that story?

01:34:18.000 The poor woman that was screaming in New York City and people were looking out their windows but nobody did anything?

01:34:18.000 Yes.

01:34:23.000 And she was, I think she was knifed to death.

01:34:25.000 Alright, exactly that attitude.

01:34:27.000 So we have to turn that around completely and bring people back into what the Constitution tells us is the necessary mode of total community organization.

01:34:36.000 Now once you put those two things together, The alternative currency and the revitalized constitutional militia structure.

01:34:43.000 Again, I'm talking about the militia under the U.S.

01:34:46.000 Constitution, not some kind of private organization.

01:34:49.000 Once you have those two, that state will be exercising the two key powers of government, as all political philosophy tells us.

01:34:59.000 The power of the purse, the power of the money, and the power of the sword.

01:35:05.000 Homeland Security, the militia, whatever term you want to use.

01:35:08.000 Those are the keys because you will not have state sovereignty and you certainly will not have populist sovereignty until those two powers have been returned to the states and directly to the people.

01:35:20.000 If you have a proper alternative currency, Which is based upon gold and silver, so it's tied directly into the marketplace.

01:35:27.000 Then the people will have direct control over that.

01:35:30.000 And if you have the militia, which is composed of the people as a whole, all of them armed and organized and disciplined and trained in some way, then you will have that level of state sovereignty directly controlled by the people.

01:35:43.000 And when the people control those two levels of state sovereignty, you have true self-government.

01:35:49.000 And we're where the founding fathers expected us to be, hoped that we would be, and gave us the tools to get there.

01:35:55.000 Alright, let me ask you then a constitutional law question, and I want to be specific.

01:36:00.000 When I criticize ragtag militias, I'm not criticizing the men, the women, the people that see the threat, the people that are forming their own local communities, you know, unorganized.

01:36:11.000 I think that's good.

01:36:11.000 The problem is the Feds have been caught going in, trying to radicalize, making them act like clowns, provocateuring them to then demonize the overall idea of a militia.

01:36:22.000 The real militia, and explain it in actual constitutional terms, would be If we took over our counties and cities, and then we're the people, and then we, the voters, decide how it's set up, and we're not paying all these federal taxes, we're levying the taxes locally, we're making the decisions, we actually are in control of the police, we're in control of the juries, the grand juries, we run things.

01:36:44.000 But to do that, we've got to be involved.

01:36:46.000 But going out behind the cabin with your neighbor, And saying we're preparing to take on the New World Order, that's fine to defend yourself from criminals or whatever, or even if you head to a tyrannical government.

01:36:57.000 But to offensively take the nation back, it needs to be the county sheriffs, the county commissioners, the city council.

01:37:04.000 We need to have this message and take over the government and run our flag up.

01:37:09.000 That's the official way to do it.

01:37:11.000 That's what the founders did, the 13 colonies, the government representatives.

01:37:14.000 They went together, they got together.

01:37:16.000 And it was legitimate, it was real.

01:37:18.000 Instead you have the Republic of Texas, not all the groups, but saying, I'm the president.

01:37:22.000 You had ten, you know, eight different groups saying they were all the president. 0.97

01:37:25.000 It was clownish. 0.95

01:37:27.000 That's exactly right.

01:37:28.000 The key to this is to obtain legal authority under our constitutional structure.

01:37:33.000 There is a way to do that.

01:37:36.000 You can look back through history all the way into the earliest colonial times.

01:37:39.000 You can see what that structure was.

01:37:42.000 We can do it now, it's a matter of ultimately, it's a matter of passing a statute.

01:37:47.000 The thing could probably be done at a county level, or the town level, or whatever, but it would have only, obviously, limited authority within that jurisdiction.

01:37:54.000 But those could be models for the state.

01:37:56.000 That's right.

01:37:57.000 Obviously, you could start doing this kind of thing.

01:37:58.000 If they were done at the county level, I wouldn't call the organizations militia.

01:38:02.000 If your county council set something up, you might call it a county committee of safety or a county homeland defense organization or whatever.

01:38:09.000 Give it some other name because in constitutional principle, you know what the militia are called, The militia of the several states.

01:38:16.000 They are state institutions.

01:38:18.000 And they always were.

01:38:19.000 They were broken down internally by towns or counties.

01:38:22.000 Yeah, what matters is they're accountable to the people, instead of the feds coming in and controlling the local system.

01:38:28.000 That's right, because they are the people!

01:38:30.000 You see, you have perfect transparency, you have perfect accountability.

01:38:34.000 Why?

01:38:35.000 Because these institutions are self-governing institutions composed of the people themselves!

01:38:42.000 That's what I... It always amazes me how difficult it seems to be to get this idea across to the average American.

01:38:47.000 If you want self-government, then you have to start exercising or participating yourself in self-government.

01:38:54.000 Self-government is not a spectator sport.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, you can't abdicate and, quote, hire professionals, because in every case in history, the professionals are going to come in and rob you.

01:39:03.000 That's right.

01:39:04.000 They're going to become the governors, and you're going to become the subjects.

01:39:08.000 That's the rule of history, the rule of political philosophy.

01:39:11.000 I mean, every time you look at that kind of a system, it moves in the direction of centralized control and the people lower down in the pyramid, there's always pyramidal structures, the people lower down in the pyramid have less and less control.

01:39:23.000 Our constitutional pyramid works exactly the other way.

01:39:26.000 Sovereignty is at the bottom and less and less authority is delegated to the top.

01:39:32.000 But, for sovereignty to exist, sovereignty has to be exercised.

01:39:36.000 People cannot claim to be sovereigns unless they take sovereign actions.

01:39:41.000 Unless they perform sovereign functions.

01:39:43.000 Otherwise, they're going to be subjects.

01:39:46.000 That's right.

01:39:47.000 I mean, if you want to bake a cake, you've got to make it.

01:39:49.000 That's right.

01:39:50.000 You've got to be the cook.

01:39:52.000 You've got to mix the ingredients, follow the recipe, take those steps, and then be responsible for the outcome.

01:39:59.000 Right?

01:40:00.000 What people in this country don't want to do is they don't want, number one, apparently too many of them from too long haven't wanted to do the work, and then they've wanted to pass on the responsibility for failure to somebody else.

01:40:10.000 In a self-governing society, you're responsible for success and failure.

01:40:16.000 Let me ask you this question.

01:40:18.000 No other country except maybe Switzerland, the Netherlands for a time, has been able to do what we've created here.

01:40:25.000 And I really researched our founders.

01:40:27.000 I mean, they were some of the most exceptional men in history in such a large concentration of exceptional... I mean, that's why the King of England, King George III, whenever George Washington refused kingship here in the U.S.

01:40:43.000 He said he's the greatest man in the world today because no one really in history had refused the Caesar power when it was offered.

01:40:53.000 So I just don't know.

01:40:55.000 We're so wrecked societally. 0.57

01:40:56.000 We're so decadent and lazy.

01:40:58.000 There's a lot of good people. 0.98

01:41:00.000 And in a republic, it doesn't matter if 80% are a bunch of sloths.

01:41:03.000 I guess it's up to us to go take over the system and be the sovereigns.

01:41:06.000 But if the mass isn't involved, it'll kind of degenerate back into the same thing.

01:41:10.000 I mean, are we up to this beautiful republic?

01:41:13.000 Do we even deserve it?

01:41:15.000 Well, we have to be, because we have no choice.

01:41:18.000 The only choice is to give up and let those people who are far worse than we are, the New World Orderites, win! 0.99

01:41:27.000 And damn it, I don't intend to let them do that! 0.98

01:41:29.000 No, no, I agree with you, I just... We have no choice, Alex! 0.98

01:41:33.000 I think we'll find enough people.

01:41:35.000 You know, 11 is a very small amount of a loaf, right?

01:41:38.000 Yes.

01:41:38.000 Always.

01:41:39.000 The yeast is just a tiny amount, and it moves the entire mass of flour.

01:41:46.000 We will find that 5% or 10% and then the great mass of people, most of whom I think in this country are people of goodwill and basic common sense.

01:41:55.000 You know, they may not have been educated as well as they should have been in this public school system.

01:41:59.000 You can go all down this list of horribles that we have.

01:42:02.000 But basically I think they're of sound mind and good disposition.

01:42:07.000 And when they are shown By a proper leadership group, the right way to go, they will go along.

01:42:14.000 Oh, I agree with you.

01:42:15.000 They've never been shown what true freedom is.

01:42:18.000 They've just been kind of in this ether.

01:42:20.000 A fish doesn't know it's in the water.

01:42:22.000 That's right.

01:42:22.000 And they have the good sense to know which way to jump.

01:42:26.000 I mean, the fish knows, has the good sense to know which way to jump.

01:42:29.000 Not back onto the sand, but into the water, right?

01:42:32.000 If he's given the opportunity, it's given the opportunity.

01:42:35.000 And I think exactly the same is true of the average American.

01:42:38.000 When the right leaders come along and show them the correct alternatives, they will adopt those alternatives.

01:42:44.000 Well, I study history.

01:42:45.000 I mean, just a hundred years ago, people jealously guarded their freedom and knew it was important.

01:42:50.000 We've got to get that same mistrust of government back.

01:42:53.000 We've got to cut the size of it.

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01:44:03.000 What have we got?

01:44:04.000 A republic or a monarchy?

01:44:06.000 A republic.

01:44:07.000 It's based on a constitution which protects minority rights.

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01:44:14.000 So they think they own our land?

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01:46:22.000 It's up to you.

01:46:23.000 First, we've got to educate the people.

01:46:24.000 We've got to take action.

01:46:25.000 We've got to get it done.

01:46:27.000 But the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but it's far past that.

01:46:31.000 I talked about this 14 years ago, now it's mainstream news, that all babies at birth for 30 plus years, 37, 38 years, in all the Western nations have had their blood taken for a global DNA database.

01:46:41.000 Now there's debate in Congress right now, this is a KTSM News Channel, this Katie Law, where everybody who basically gets arrested will have DNA taken.

01:46:53.000 And a judge just ruled in Texas they're taking blood illegally without warrants for DWI's.

01:46:59.000 They're having the police do it, and the police say they don't care, they're going to continue it.

01:47:03.000 A judge in Texas said that these toll road cameras and speed cameras aren't constitutional because there's not an officer involved.

01:47:10.000 The police don't stop.

01:47:11.000 I mean, there's just a real lawlessness we're seeing from government.

01:47:15.000 You know, that particular aspect of lawlessness, this growing level of police state, really brutality that's involved, not simply they're fated to abide by court decisions or statutes or whatever, but actually brutalizing the people.

01:47:32.000 If you revitalize the militia in a particular state, all of those police departments, sheriff's departments, state police, what have you, Would become subsets of the militia structure.

01:47:47.000 And then they would be subject to discipline by the citizens in their own local communities.

01:47:52.000 And I can guarantee you that within about a week after that had happened, all of that behavior would stop.

01:48:00.000 Because the consequences to any particular police officer would be so horrendous that they wouldn't do it.

01:48:11.000 And the media always frames this like that would persecute police.

01:48:14.000 No, then the good cops would be put into positions of power instead of the bad ones being elevated.

01:48:20.000 Now they're kicking the good cops out.

01:48:22.000 Yeah, the bad ones would be weeded out very quickly.

01:48:24.000 They'd be weeded out either because they'd be caught and disciplined and expelled or because they'd take a look at the situation and wouldn't want to take the risk and they'd try to find another job, you know, to go to Starbucks and serve coffee or what have you.

01:48:38.000 There's the difficulty.

01:48:39.000 You know, many years ago, I remember in New York City, when Lindsey was the mayor of New York City, there were complaints from the black community about the way the city police were dealing with those people, and it's very discriminatory and high-handed.

01:48:54.000 They didn't use the term police state, but that's what they were talking about, police state fashion.

01:48:58.000 And they wanted to set up, I think they did end up setting up a citizen's review board Well, that's essentially how a militia would operate as a huge citizen's review board because all of these uniformed militia members who were in the subset of the militia called the local police or the state police or what have you would now have to answer on a regular basis to the members of their own local militia companies and be subject to some kind of militia discipline

01:49:27.000 If they had misbehaved in the performance of their duties as the uniformed service.

01:49:31.000 Well we've got to go this way because it makes the public become independent and rugged again. 0.99

01:49:36.000 What we're supposed to be instead of a bunch of cowards.

01:49:39.000 I've told the story of a woman choking in a restaurant and no one was helping her and I had to push people aside to do the Heimlich as they like parrot said call 9-1-1 call 9-1-1 she would have been dead by the time they got there and it was I was weird because I saved the lady I mean, we have just become domesticated.

01:49:56.000 Dr. Edwin Vieira writes for Newsreviews.com.

01:49:59.000 Quickly, tell us about a few of the books you've written and how people can get them.

01:50:02.000 Well, the latest one on the militia is called Constitutional Homeland Security.

01:50:06.000 That's available on Amazon.

01:50:08.000 I have another one, an earlier book, Imperial Judiciary, which deals with the problem of judicial supremacy, which we talked about earlier.

01:50:16.000 That's also available on Amazon.

01:50:18.000 And there's also on Amazon the Heritage Research Institute.

Alex Jones Show - May 18, 2010

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