Alex Jones Show - 20100726_Mon_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

00:00:06.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:09.000 You want answers?

00:00:11.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:25.000 It is Monday, the 26th day of July, 2010.

00:00:30.000 Coming up in the middle of the next hour, in the first half of the third hour, we have John Young of Krypton.

00:00:37.000 Formerly with WikiLeaks, joining us to talk about the big scandal.

00:00:43.000 Thousands of documents released dealing with reported massacres in Afghanistan.

00:00:49.000 And then Wayne Madsen, who worked with the NSA and Naval Intelligence, he'll be joining us to give us his take.

00:00:57.000 Now, we have exchanged emails the last year, several times with the founder of WikiLeaks.

00:01:03.000 And he said he's going to come on many times, but then we're never able to get him on.

00:01:07.000 We'd like to hear from him specifically on this.

00:01:10.000 His spokesperson, when he was in hiding for a few months, was Birgitta Jones-Dottir of the Icelandic Parliament, who I think is a really great person.

00:01:17.000 She's done a lot of important work.

00:01:20.000 And I think WikiLeaks is good.

00:01:22.000 I mean, I can't say that 100% because I'm not omnipresent, but studying them, I think they're real.

00:01:30.000 Does that mean they could be fed disinfo?

00:01:32.000 Perhaps.

00:01:34.000 Could they be used to identify people leaking inside government?

00:01:37.000 Yes.

00:01:39.000 But I respect John Young and Wayne Madsen and they have both said they're suspicious of WikiLeaks.

00:01:48.000 I'm gonna pick their brain today and, you know, put them on the hot seat in a friendly way and, you know, really ask them to Explain to me why they're saying this.

00:01:59.000 Because as I'm sure you know, the top story in the last 24 hours is thousands of pages of secret documents that make the Pentagon Papers, leaked by Daniel Ellsberg, look like child's play.

00:02:15.000 Separately, I've had a chance to scan over what is in some of these documents and to read the news boildowns on it, and most of it is already publicly available.

00:02:27.000 It came out early on that U.S.

00:02:29.000 troops would put thousands of Taliban fighters in containers, standing, in standing position, sardined in, and then in four or five days they would all be dead.

00:02:43.000 Basically it's a form of crucifixion, or like an Iron Maiden.

00:02:46.000 You cram a bunch of people where they can barely breathe together in hot temperatures, when this was done in the summer in Afghanistan years ago, It's going to kill them. 1.00

00:02:57.000 And that's what kills you with crucifixion is the fact that you can't breathe because you're nailed to the cross and your diaphragm basically gets exhausted.

00:03:13.000 And we know about a lot of other massacres that have gone on.

00:03:15.000 I remember Private Gruckheimer in the Ithaca Times back in 2002 made national headlines when he came home and gave an interview and said, yeah, we go into villages and kill everyone, men, women, and children.

00:03:26.000 And then the Pentagon went on Fox News and said, well, we want to clarify this.

00:03:32.000 Only in certain villages do we kill everyone.

00:03:37.000 And of course, there was a lot of criticism of General McChrystal, because the last year and a half, two years, he changed that and said, we're not going to be doing that.

00:03:47.000 And I'm certainly not saying he's a good guy.

00:03:49.000 I'm just going off of what he said.

00:03:53.000 We know that the late Pat Tillman criticized opium production, the fact that the war was a fraud, and that there were massacres going on.

00:04:00.000 He wrote home about that, said he was going to come home and become a big peace activist, and they of course killed him.

00:04:08.000 And it's on record that the army coroner said that he had been killed, and that it was foul play, and that it was a cover-up.

00:04:14.000 We know that McChrystal was in command of that cover-up.

00:04:19.000 So I'm not saying McChrystal's good.

00:04:20.000 It's just that McChrystal, at least on paper, said stop these massacres.

00:04:25.000 Now the CIA is also trying to take over the Army right now.

00:04:31.000 And there's a bunch of infighting going on.

00:04:32.000 They want to supplant the regular military, mainly the army, with contractors.

00:04:36.000 And so are they using WikiLeaks to burn the army?

00:04:39.000 Look, a lot of weird stuff goes on in government.

00:04:42.000 And so we're going to pick the brain of John Young and Wayne Madsen on this and why they're critical of WikiLeaks and why they think it's the CIA or private corporate intelligence front.

00:04:52.000 We'll be discussing that and all this news.

00:04:54.000 Got a bunch of economic news as well.

00:04:56.000 It's all coming up after the break.

00:04:58.000 Stay with us.

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00:08:18.000 We're going to be taking a very close look at WikiLeaks coming up in about an hour and a half.

00:08:25.000 We have two guests joining us.

00:08:27.000 Wayne Madsen and, of course, John Young of Cryptome to give us their take on WikiLeaks and what these thousands of documents coming out that reportedly show the true nature of the war.

00:08:39.000 Mass murder, war crimes being the official policy. 0.72

00:08:43.000 But is this any news?

00:08:44.000 I mean, our government has promoted torture, secret arrest, the torture of people's children in front of them.

00:08:54.000 We have an unlawful, illegal government who we know pays the Taliban to give them innocent 12, 13, 14-year-olds to be tortured at bases all around the world to create fake intelligence.

00:09:07.000 Meanwhile, the true Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders are released, according to Newsweek Associated Press and the Financial Times of London, as part of the airlift of evil.

00:09:19.000 So, we'll be discussing all of that.

00:09:20.000 I have to say, the information WikiLeaks has released Looks very accurate to me, and much of it's already publicly available information.

00:09:28.000 It's come out here and there.

00:09:31.000 And so the very clear picture that they've been able to create, releasing these documents that were leaked to them, I think jives with reality.

00:09:42.000 But some are critical of WikiLeaks.

00:09:45.000 Not just saying they're traitorous for releasing the information, but saying they have connections to intelligence agencies.

00:09:52.000 Again, in my gut, I don't really see evidence of that.

00:09:56.000 But I do respect Mr. Young and Mr. Madsen, so we'll be talking to them and getting their concerns coming up today.

00:10:05.000 Right now, let's go ahead and go into the news.

00:10:09.000 And there is a lot of it.

00:10:10.000 I want to hear from callers and get your take on this.

00:10:14.000 We're going to continue, at least in the first hour of the radio broadcast today, to give first-time callers a chance, people who've wanted to call in over the years but the phone's always busy or the lines are filled.

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00:10:44.000 But right now, let's go ahead and get into the news.

00:10:49.000 This is the Kurt Nemo story up at Infowars.com and he boils down all the mainstream reportage that's going on plus some of the backstory of what's been happening.

00:11:03.000 But former head of the NSA and former CIA boss, he's been in both positions, says Iran attack inexorable.

00:11:13.000 Basically something that's a foregone conclusion.

00:11:15.000 According to Michael Hayden, a CIA boss under George W. Bush, Iran's not having a nuke is just as dangerous as it having one.

00:11:25.000 This is the guy who lied about spying on the American people without warrants and then got caught doing it.

00:11:32.000 Hayden predicted Iran's plans to get itself that step right below a nuclear weapon.

00:11:43.000 That permanent breakout stage so the needle isn't quite in the red for the international community.

00:11:49.000 Hayden said that reaching even that level would be a destabilizing to the region as actually having a weapon and it will result in an attack by the US, Israel, or both.

00:12:00.000 Killing Iranians now, quote, seems inexorable and may not be the worst of all possibilities or outcomes, according to Hayden.

00:12:11.000 And of course, that's not just InfoWars.com reporting it.

00:12:14.000 Here is the Associated Press.

00:12:17.000 Ex-CIA chief strike on Iran seems more likely now.

00:12:25.000 Israel's also saying the same thing.

00:12:28.000 Here's a report out of Iran.

00:12:30.000 Iran's military leaders try to raise their nation's confidence in face of a possible attack.

00:12:41.000 Continuing, here's Haaretz.

00:12:44.000 U.S.

00:12:44.000 strike on Iran, likelier than ever, former CIA chief says.

00:12:52.000 So that really is the most important news today, in my humble opinion.

00:12:56.000 The establishment is clearly positioning the public mind that it's a foregone conclusion that Iran will be struck.

00:13:05.000 Meanwhile, there's other reports today where the White House is saying that Pakistan is funding Taliban and Al Qaeda groups.

00:13:13.000 Pakistan, of course, was aided by the United States and the EU in the last 15 years, getting nuclear weapons and delivery systems that can deliver them more than 3,000 kilometers.

00:13:25.000 Our government, of course, aided India in getting nuclear weapons. 0.98

00:13:28.000 The strategery, not a word, but the strategic outlook there is to get Pakistan and India fighting with each other but a very very dangerous uh... system very very dangerous gambit there And we'll be going over some of that information coming up.

00:13:55.000 But now it's admitted there are U.S.

00:13:58.000 Special Forces, after years of denial, commanding different factions inside Pakistan.

00:14:04.000 So the United States is now opening up a new war there as we go bankrupt at home.

00:14:11.000 Wikileaks founder Julian Assange says documents on thousands of possible U.S.

00:14:17.000 war crimes in Afghanistan paint a picture of just how brutal this war is.

00:14:26.000 U.S.

00:14:26.000 forces fighting in Afghanistan could be investigated for thousands of possible war crimes allegedly committed when the Bush administration was running the war.

00:14:35.000 That was the shocking claim Monday from the head of the website that has already released a trove of damning documents suggesting Americans were misled about how well the Afghan war was being waged.

00:14:48.000 It's up to the court to decide really if something In the end, it's a crime, Wikileaks founder said in London.

00:14:56.000 Assange said the leaked documents thus far were dated from January 04 to December 09.

00:15:05.000 And it goes on to say only scratched the surface of what's really going on.

00:15:09.000 In particular, he pointed to the deadly missile strike Occurring by Task Force 373, a unit allegedly charged with hunting down and killing Taliban targets.

00:15:19.000 Well, I mean, again, everything that's in these documents is already out there.

00:15:24.000 Even under Obama, they now have expanded this, saying, we will now kill unnamed terrorists.

00:15:29.000 In fact, drone attacks to expand to no-name terrorists.

00:15:33.000 Search that term.

00:15:34.000 I want to show people on the TV screen that are watching at PrisonPlanet.tv, or you can just search that term as a radio listener.

00:15:40.000 They admitted, what, a month and a half ago, yes, if anybody has a weapon in Pakistan or Afghanistan, and basically everybody has a gun there, it's Wild Wild West, that the Army and the Air Force separately, then they have the CIA also running drones, literally guys in suits.

00:16:01.000 So the CIA now has its own branch, I guess the fifth branch of the military, with the contractors.

00:16:06.000 There it is, no-name terrorist, now CIA drone target, CNN. 0.85

00:16:12.000 And they just go on to report that if you have a weapon, we kill you.

00:16:16.000 And they openly say it's collateral damage. 0.92

00:16:19.000 If there's a wedding with 500 people at it, and they kill a couple hundred of them to kill that one person they think may be Taliban or Al-Qaeda, that's okay. 0.56

00:16:29.000 And now the Pentagon is removing the pain rays, the microwave guns, from Afghanistan and saying they weren't really that useful, but that they will be deployed in the United States.

00:16:40.000 And of course, that was in the San Diego paper a few months ago and other newspapers that they are deploying the pain rays against the American people.

00:16:48.000 So, you can't really legally use it against foreign enemies, but hey, American enemies?

00:16:53.000 You know, the evil Tea Party people that are constitutionalists, that support the Bill of Rights and Constitution, they are the enemy of this foreign offshore banking cartel that's taken over the country.

00:17:06.000 Business Insider's got a good article.

00:17:10.000 Says, get ready for one day of talk about Afghanistan, ten days of talk about WikiLeaks, and the future of the media.

00:17:17.000 Today the White House is dealing with the fallout of this weekend's massive Afghanistan document breach.

00:17:23.000 But now you know that last night the New York Times, Der Spiegel and The Guardian simultaneously produced reports On the staggering document cash published by the increasingly influential site WikiLeaks, which paints an ugly picture of the war in Afghanistan.

00:17:42.000 But again, looking at these documents and the reports on the documents, it's everything that was already admitted.

00:17:47.000 It's accurate info.

00:17:50.000 And this is not what the establishment wants to see or hear right now.

00:17:53.000 So I don't see how WikiLeaks could be the bad guys, unless they're trying to set the precedent With good info to later give people bad info.

00:18:03.000 Or, I can see the argument, well this info is already known.

00:18:06.000 I mean it's kind of like they arrest people that follow the orders to torture in Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:18:12.000 I mean, scores of these contractors and army people are serving long prison sentences.

00:18:19.000 And then Bush comes out a month ago and says he'd ordered the torture and he'd order it again.

00:18:23.000 So there does seem to be a certain flaunting of all of this, but I don't know.

00:18:36.000 It's all cloak and dagger.

00:18:41.000 And of course, here's another article dealing with the WikiLeaks situation.

00:18:44.000 U.S.

00:18:44.000 condemns release of documents on Afghan war.

00:18:50.000 Pakistan said the disclosure of 92,000 classified documents on the war in Afghanistan wouldn't affect its relations with the U.S.

00:18:58.000 or its role in the conflict.

00:19:00.000 The White House condemned the leak.

00:19:03.000 These things have been regurgitated from time to time by the media, by low-level officials, without any endorsement by the U.S.

00:19:12.000 government.

00:19:13.000 The spokesman for Pakistan President said in a phone interview from Islamabad, there is nothing much in this.

00:19:20.000 I tend to agree.

00:19:21.000 If you actually know what's already come out and what's been admitted, I mean, the massacres are all admitted. 0.94

00:19:26.000 I mean, they'll just line up hundreds of people and shoot them.

00:19:29.000 They've got giant torture camps where they admittedly torture people to death. 0.79

00:19:37.000 I mean, it's... They've got them all over Europe.

00:19:41.000 They've got them in the U.S. 0.85

00:19:42.000 They've got them everywhere.

00:19:46.000 Regardless, we'll continue to break it down.

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00:24:11.000 Another issue I'd like to hear from callers on is the fact that Rush Limbaugh came out on Friday and said that it's the ruling class versus the country class.

00:24:20.000 He said blue blood robber baron families run the government and are basically getting corporate welfare and hate the American people and want to destroy this country.

00:24:33.000 And I'm not really even praising Limbaugh.

00:24:35.000 I'm just giving credit where credit is due.

00:24:37.000 I certainly don't trust him.

00:24:39.000 As soon as the mainline Republicans are back in office, I would imagine him to continue with his neocon pro-war, pro-torture, pro-drug war propaganda.

00:24:49.000 But the fact that Rush Limbaugh, the biggest media figure in this country, nobody has more listeners, He's the biggest media event, period.

00:24:58.000 I went over some of his quotes yesterday on the Sunday show.

00:25:02.000 It's amazing.

00:25:03.000 And it cannot be disputed that this shows how far the exposure of the shadow government has come.

00:25:14.000 And the fact that Glenn Beck's talking about world government and the new world order and is talking about Goldman Sachs being criminal shows that this information is now mainstream.

00:25:24.000 So I would ask listeners, why do you think they're doing this?

00:25:27.000 Because I've been monitoring them off and on.

00:25:31.000 Overall, I think that their listeners are, of course, my listeners, and they just can't get away anymore with denying the fact that there is a world government, that there is a global government being formed, that the power structure in this country is illegal, is criminal, is predatory, and that you have cliques of power that are waging war against the nouveau riche, the new rich, the middle class.

00:26:00.000 It's just an amazing admission by Limbaugh, and this makes my job a lot easier now that his 20-plus million listeners are now hearing their iconic leader, Al Rushbow, coming out and telling the truth to a certain point.

00:26:19.000 It shows that to stay in the game, to stay Relevant.

00:26:24.000 They're being forced to do this.

00:26:26.000 MSNBC and CNN have decided to continue to report that world government's being formed as our savior and the Federal Reserve is not private and that if you don't want government health care you're a racist.

00:26:40.000 And so they're just sticking their head further in the sand and going along with the official line and losing literally almost all of their viewers.

00:26:47.000 They are in freefall implosion.

00:26:49.000 They are a joke.

00:26:51.000 And so we are literally dragging the country from ignorance into enlightenment.

00:26:57.000 And it's very exciting news.

00:27:00.000 And so that's why I covered that for much of an hour yesterday.

00:27:06.000 So if you heard Limbaugh talk about it, or you went to Infowars.com and read Curt Nimmo's story, does Rush Limbaugh finally get it about the ruling class?

00:27:15.000 Because I've heard him just in the last year I don't listen often, but probably once a week I listen to a few minutes of it.

00:27:21.000 You know, the banks are good.

00:27:23.000 It's okay that Goldman Sachs is getting, you know, tens of billions of dollars in extra profits.

00:27:29.000 And, you know, oh, the socialists want to take over health care and the insurance companies are good.

00:27:35.000 The insurance companies wrote the stinking health care bill.

00:27:39.000 Even the Wall Street Journal admits that.

00:27:42.000 Goldman Sachs has swindled us with the derivatives.

00:27:45.000 Goldman Sachs isn't just taking down our country and many other countries.

00:27:48.000 And I've got to say, Beck's going even further than Limbaugh.

00:27:52.000 Though I've never heard Limbaugh attack Ron Paul and others.

00:27:56.000 That's why I really have been angry at Beck in the past.

00:27:58.000 And I'm certainly not trusting Beck.

00:27:59.000 I mean, my instincts tell me he's super bad news.

00:28:02.000 It's just the fact that Limbaugh and Beck are having to cover these issues is the news story.

00:28:09.000 Why are they doing that?

00:28:11.000 That's my question to you, to boil it down to a simple one-line statement.

00:28:16.000 Why are they more and more telling the truth?

00:28:20.000 Now, I do monitor Sean Hannity. 0.99

00:28:22.000 I hear nothing but mainline neocon, blue blood, Rockefeller Republican garbage from him. 0.95

00:28:31.000 And that's why you don't see him rising. 0.98

00:28:32.000 He's plateaued and is even sinking a bit.

00:28:37.000 I think that Limbaugh and Beck want a big audience, and they know where the audience is.

00:28:42.000 The American people have been educated by the Internet.

00:28:45.000 They have been educated by this radio show.

00:28:47.000 They have been educated by my films.

00:28:50.000 But I'm powerless without you.

00:28:52.000 You are the muscle.

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00:28:56.000 And I just can't commend you enough for everything you've done as listeners.

00:29:00.000 I salute you.

00:29:02.000 And we go together like a horse and carriage.

00:29:05.000 And I am blown away by the responsibility I have, and that we have, To take our information to the next level.

00:29:20.000 Okay, we're gonna come back and go to your phone calls.

00:29:23.000 And then... I've got a bunch of amazing news like this one.

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00:29:33.000 Some of the people in the city are making $800,000 a year and bonuses, while the citizenry go bankrupt under higher taxes.

00:29:44.000 Also, there's moves by cities to raise money by homesteading, giving people property.

00:29:50.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

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00:33:18.000 I'm going to your phone calls here in about one minute.

00:33:21.000 Coming with me Then I want to get to a story that Kurt Nemo wrote on Friday.

00:33:28.000 Ocean Energy Institute founder says new hurricane will require Gulf evacuation.

00:33:34.000 This was said on MSNBC and in a Bloomberg article.

00:33:40.000 We have another Council on Foreign Relations member, of course, a few weeks ago in the Washington Post saying this thing is, quote, 80 times worse than we had previously thought.

00:33:52.000 There will be Gulf evacuations when the hurricanes kick up, and we're now entering that season, and blow those hundreds of millions of gallons of oil and methane gas that's being released from the oil, the natural gas, into Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, all the way up into Oklahoma and Nebraska and other states.

00:34:19.000 Look, I don't know if this is true.

00:34:22.000 For two months, people have been hyping the end of the world and that there's going to be evacuations in the entire South.

00:34:29.000 You know, going in 500 miles with really no evidence of that.

00:34:33.000 Though we do know the government is making preparations in coastal towns for evacuations.

00:34:38.000 And we know that during Katrina, they used the hurricane as an excuse to come in and confiscate guns and engage in a psychological warfare laboratory.

00:34:46.000 So I have no doubt that the government may be planning to use this as some type of big political distraction and fake emergency or hyped-up emergency.

00:34:56.000 I mean, there's some reality to it.

00:34:59.000 and use that as a distraction going into the election because look at the peak of hurricane season it will be september october november that's the peak it really kicks off in late july starts getting going during august and in september october that's the peak right into november and the election uh... so I don't know what's going to happen.

00:35:23.000 I mean, Obama's been lying every time I see him on TV, saying nobody's sick, the 40-plus million gallons of Corexit isn't a problem, nobody needs to wear respirators.

00:35:33.000 We know he's lying about that.

00:35:36.000 So if they were going to hype a big evacuation and fearmonger, wouldn't they be fearmongering over the real issues?

00:35:42.000 So I don't know.

00:35:43.000 We're getting a lot of mixed messages.

00:35:45.000 And I'm not even criticizing people that think it's the end of the world and there's going to be evacuations.

00:35:50.000 I think you will see some evacuations, at least from coastal towns.

00:35:54.000 And there's the devastation of the economy in these Gulf areas.

00:35:59.000 But I've seen maps online with no scientific evidence, with bad grammar, you know, with a black line saying, get ready to evacuate, and a red line below it going from Texas through Georgia, everything south of it, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, saying, you know, get out of there, run for the hills!

00:36:21.000 And that just doesn't make sense to me.

00:36:25.000 That, okay, a bunch of this oil comes into shore.

00:36:29.000 And you've got to evacuate some of the towns.

00:36:33.000 The issue is, will the Feds be in there confiscating guns again?

00:36:37.000 I mean, are the Feds going to come out and say, evacuate 200 miles inland?

00:36:41.000 If that happens, there's nowhere to put these tens of millions of people.

00:36:46.000 Remember Houston, when they had a hurricane a few years ago, and for days people were stuck on the highway, and some of them dying of heat exhaustion?

00:36:55.000 All right, I said I'd cover it later.

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00:40:13.000 Okay, let's go ahead and go to your phone calls.

00:40:15.000 Let's talk to Peter in Washington.

00:40:17.000 Peter, you're on the air.

00:40:18.000 Yes, Alex, I've known about conspiracies for over 20 years, and about two years ago I saw Endgame, which focused the thing to me.

00:40:29.000 Now, what I'd like to talk about today is I don't think fascism is the correct term for it.

00:40:36.000 I'll tell you what the correct term is first, the one I believe is better, and then I'll tell you why fascism isn't right.

00:40:44.000 I think it's best described as homicidal plutocracy.

00:40:48.000 Well, homicidal speaks for itself, and plutocracy comes from the word Pluto, was the pagan god of both wealth and debt.

00:40:58.000 So the two work together perfectly.

00:41:00.000 Works better than oligarchy, which is an inferior form of government.

00:41:04.000 Now, I don't think fascism, because What you're describing is not a government controlling the private sector, but part of the private sector controlling the government.

00:41:17.000 And you look at fascism, you had an incorporation of all elements of society into various unions.

00:41:27.000 And I don't think that's a theory with the dictator who supposedly reflect all of society and

00:41:35.000 decides uh... various quarrels between them you know and i just don't think fascism's right i think calling it homicidal plutocracy which uh... shows it's basic illegality even allied oligarchy is an inferior form of government is still a government uh... you know they they were the rich people think they're doing the best for them rest of society this is this is much more Illegal.

00:42:04.000 Well, anyway, that's my opinion, and I thank you for the time that you've given me.

00:42:09.000 Well, Peter, stay there, because you're very well spoken, and your information is crystal clear, and I agree with you.

00:42:18.000 When I use terms like fascism or socialism, those are derivative terms that the general public, in their semantical lexicon, can understand.

00:42:31.000 And if you look at this system, the closest term to describe it is...

00:42:40.000 that's in popular use would be fascism because the public sold this is socialism well they socialize our wealth for social engineering to control us but it is a process of consolidation of power in the hands of the mega rich the ultra elite who are predatory against everyone else it is a click it is a mafia

00:43:04.000 A corporate mafia that's taken control of every major nation on earth, but a handful, those nations that aren't under their control, because governments are generally corrupt, those rogue nations are generally bad as well, and have their own problems.

00:43:16.000 They're just not as sophisticated and imperial, so they're not the threat.

00:43:21.000 Libya, Iran, you can list a few others there.

00:43:25.000 North Korea.

00:43:27.000 But I do agree, homicidal plutocracy is a good term. 1.00

00:43:32.000 But I would call it a scientific dictatorship, because that's how the controllers describe themselves.

00:43:39.000 So it is a mafia of royalty, of robber barons, who in the last 150 years said, we want to understand controlling the individual, not just nations, and how to dumb people down.

00:43:52.000 And the Germans also were competing with their systems of social control.

00:43:57.000 So it is 20th and 21st century social control and the elites and all their major publications have openly decided to create the final revolution against humanity, a scientific dictatorship that seeks to take control of all industry, all production, all farming, language, it's full spectrum dominance.

00:44:23.000 to then dumb the population down where they are incapable of revolting because they have been turned into mindless sheep.

00:44:31.000 As Bertrand Russell said in the near future under the scientific dictatorship engineered by us, in his words, he said us, A revolt by the proletariat, or the general population, the unwashed masses, will be as unthinkable as a revolt of sheep against the practice of eating mutton, or sheep, for those who don't know what mutton is.

00:44:58.000 And so it's like saying, you know, looking out your front window, if you raise sheep, and you share them every year, but you also sell some for meat, and saying, yeah, the sheep aren't going to come in our house with clubs and beat us over the head and have a revolt.

00:45:11.000 And so, for the globalist, world government is only the beginning.

00:45:17.000 Once it's in place, once you're purely bankrupted and controlled by the nanny state, the health department established in the U.S.

00:45:24.000 around about 95 years ago or so, in England about 130 years ago, it was founded for social hygiene, racial hygiene, for infanticide, sterilization, drugging of the water, and it's all publicly stated and that's the plan.

00:45:38.000 That's all being carried out.

00:45:39.000 The food's poison, the water, the drugs, the vaccines.

00:45:43.000 And it's meant to block the increase in life expectancy that industrialization brings.

00:45:50.000 Then the homicidal plutocracy, as you amply describe it, good term you've coined there, Peter.

00:45:58.000 They then profit on extending life when you would be dying at about 65.

00:46:03.000 Because of the poisons and things they've introduced.

00:46:06.000 They can now extend that a decade or so, but they ensure that all of your wealth is then extracted.

00:46:11.000 And the average doctor is compartmentalized and isn't aware of this.

00:46:15.000 So, use what term you want.

00:46:16.000 Scientific dictatorship, monopoly eugenics, endgame dictatorship, homicidal endgame plutocracy. 0.69

00:46:28.000 You can use whatever term you want, but This is full-spectrum dominance.

00:46:36.000 If a population, if a tribe really fought the Romans, if a German tribe or an Austrian tribe or a British tribe would submit and become part of the auxiliaries, you'd have the main legions with the auxiliary foreign armies behind them.

00:46:55.000 If they submitted, they would be brought into the auxiliaries. 0.98

00:46:58.000 And normally, they'd have to submit and let some of their women be shipped off to slavery and their children be shipped off to be gladiators or to be house servants.

00:47:06.000 You know, submission was a pretty tough lot, but the warrior class would then be allowed to have some whores and have some booty, have some gold, have some goodies, about a third of what the Romans got. 0.90

00:47:18.000 Well, many of the Roman tribes weren't citizens yet. 0.56

00:47:20.000 They had to serve 25 years to become citizens.

00:47:24.000 But if you resisted, They would kill everyone, every man, woman and child.

00:47:29.000 The Israelites did this as well.

00:47:32.000 They exterminated those in that surrounding area when they took over.

00:47:36.000 What is Israel today?

00:47:38.000 Jerusalem.

00:47:40.000 And of course other countries, other tribes did that as well.

00:47:43.000 They didn't invent that.

00:47:45.000 And then they would also salt the earth so no plants could grow.

00:47:50.000 In case anybody had run to the hills after the Romans pulled out, no one could resist them. 1.00

00:47:55.000 So, the scientific dictatorship said, look, there's billions of people, they're eating up all the resources, they're a bunch of dumbed-down masses. 0.91

00:48:06.000 You know, I can go to the shopping mall or Schlitterbahn and look at the crowds and they look like hell. 0.99

00:48:11.000 They look dumbed down.

00:48:12.000 I mean, maybe people look at me. 0.98

00:48:13.000 I look pretty bad.

00:48:14.000 But the point is, I want to lift those people up, not kill them all.

00:48:18.000 But the elites look at people and say, we want to get rid of these people right now. 0.93

00:48:23.000 And the globalists say, look, the public's too dumb to even realize what patriots like myself and you are warning them about, Peter. 0.98

00:48:30.000 So why should they even No, that's fine. 0.94

00:48:35.000 Thank you for giving me the time.

00:48:36.000 at living and being part of the future when the population doesn't want it.

00:48:40.000 That's the globalist view.

00:48:40.000 They want to die.

00:48:42.000 But anything else, Peter?

00:48:44.000 No, that's fine.

00:48:46.000 Thank you for giving me the time.

00:48:52.000 And I have nothing more to say except I wish you well.

00:49:00.000 Well, I wish you well, sir, and God bless you.

00:49:02.000 I mean, it is painful to sit in restaurants or on the street or swimming in a river and to hear adults speak.

00:49:10.000 I mean, I remember 30 years ago, people could speak much better than they do now.

00:49:14.000 I mean, they're like a bunch of animals.

00:49:17.000 It's like they've been hit by mutation rays.

00:49:20.000 And Doesn't matter what color they are, or what socioeconomic strata, even.

00:49:26.000 No one says, you're welcome when you say thank you, or they say, no problem.

00:49:30.000 You know, that means like it's a problem that I'm bringing you a glass of beer at a restaurant.

00:49:38.000 Adults can't talk. 0.99

00:49:40.000 I have conversations with people with college degrees who make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, and I'll be using words to describe things, and they say, what does that mean?

00:49:51.000 Or they'll think I'm showing off.

00:49:54.000 I have had many of my crew, when they talk about their rights to police, police say, you're reading too much.

00:50:02.000 We've had TSA repeatedly, when people talk about their rights and TSA checkpoints say, you're reading too much.

00:50:08.000 Don't use those fancy words with me.

00:50:11.000 If you see Mike Judge's excellent film, Idiocracy, when he's, you know, 500 years in the future in a court hearing with a judge, the judge can hardly talk.

00:50:23.000 And just because the guy has, I mean, he's kind of like a blue-collar dummy in the year 2010, but in the year 2300 or whatever it is, I forget the exact date.

00:50:34.000 No one can even hardly talk.

00:50:36.000 They can just make jokes and giggle and laugh and people's easy chairs are toilets because all they do is watch television.

00:50:45.000 Well, I got news for you.

00:50:46.000 The globalists aren't going to let you get to that point. 0.99

00:50:48.000 They're killing you, they're killing me, deader than a hammer. 0.99

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00:53:55.000 You must remain in your houses until your bracelets are scanned.

00:53:58.000 All right, I spent 12 minutes with that one caller.

00:54:08.000 I want to try to get to more of your calls now, but it was a really important point he brought up.

00:54:12.000 If you underestimate how predatory the ruling class is, you've got a problem.

00:54:17.000 And finally, Limbaugh, last Friday admitted there's a corrupt, blue-blood, robber baron, these are quotes, ruling class that uses government to expand their power and that wants to destroy the middle class and America.

00:54:30.000 He finally admits there's a corrupt clique running America.

00:54:34.000 He's always denied that.

00:54:37.000 It just shows how far we've come.

00:54:37.000 This is a big deal.

00:54:39.000 Now we can have a real debate about this.

00:54:42.000 And we would have already been able to have a real debate, because we're making Limbaugh and others passe, because they won't cover the real issues.

00:54:49.000 Very exciting.

00:54:50.000 Let's talk to Eric in California.

00:54:52.000 Eric, you're on the air.

00:54:53.000 Well, thank you for taking my call.

00:54:55.000 I'm very honored to speak with you.

00:54:57.000 I'm a proud PrisonPlanet.tv member.

00:55:00.000 I'm also a former air traffic controller in the US Air Force.

00:55:04.000 And once the shock of 9-11 My training pretty much disclosed how absurd 9-11 was, but that's not the reason I'm calling.

00:55:14.000 The reason I'm calling is that, you know, with this whole WikiLeaks story, I kind of feel that this is maybe possibly the beginning of the end of independent news via the Internet.

00:55:32.000 I almost get the feeling that it's like a a false flag.

00:55:35.000 Well, I agree with you.

00:55:36.000 I agree with you whether WikiLeaks is good or not, and I tend to think they're good.

00:55:41.000 They are now trying to use, oh, look, they used this clip of this government official saying, I wouldn't help the white farmer, but it was out of context.

00:55:50.000 I'm seeing a drumbeat everywhere of the mainstream media needs to shut down the alternative media.

00:55:56.000 And now because of this WikiLeaks thing, we've got to have a gatekeeper to check things first before it can be put on the web, because this is just too dangerous.

00:56:06.000 And yes, that's one of the points I was going to bring up.

00:56:08.000 Very, very dangerous time.

00:56:09.000 Go ahead.

00:56:11.000 Well, hey, that's all I had to say, Alex.

00:56:12.000 Just keep up the good work.

00:56:14.000 You've enlightened me in many, many ways, and I appreciate that.

00:56:18.000 Well, let's go back, though, Eric, because the truth is the truth.

00:56:22.000 And NORAD did stand down. 0.98

00:56:24.000 There were CIA drills of the very targets being hit at the very same time.

00:56:28.000 We have the police saying, get back, the government's going to blow up Building 7.

00:56:32.000 I mean, that's CNN.

00:56:34.000 I mean, we know the official story is a lie.

00:56:37.000 And we can't just choose to say, well, I'll buy what the government says about 9-11 because it feels better. 0.58

00:56:43.000 Now, as an air traffic controller with the Air Force, formerly, I mean, what set up red flags for you?

00:56:51.000 Well, you know, 757s are not stealth.

00:56:54.000 And, you know, we were trained to control planes from hitting one another.

00:57:02.000 And if beacons went down, if communications went down, as a controller we still had the responsibility to keep that aluminum from hitting.

00:57:13.000 And so we have a primary target that's being painted on a radar screen that's going off its airway, you know, which is its flight path to its destination.

00:57:25.000 And their story is that they turn the transponders off.

00:57:30.000 When I was controlling from 1983 to 87, you know, we could tag those targets and put our own tracking data on it, meaning that, you know, we could tag that target... And they did mark the targets, but then NORAD came in and took control and put simulation overlays and was removing it.

00:57:52.000 Well, I don't know.

00:57:54.000 I don't think any of us know because they haven't really talked about it, but what's absurd is that those targets Those don't go away.

00:58:01.000 And if we're off course, and you've got a controller that's responsible for that particular aircraft, and he's also responsible for other aircraft that he's controlling, and then this target is getting ready to hit some other controller's airspace that they have to control, They have to let people know.

00:58:18.000 And it's not only a controller, but that controller has an assistant next to him, and then standing over his head, he's got a supervisor. 0.96

00:58:25.000 So the whole damn thing is absurd. 0.98

00:58:28.000 Completely. 0.98

00:58:29.000 Eric, I appreciate your call, but what I'm telling you is we have the tapes.

00:58:32.000 There were simulations going on to confuse the air traffic controllers.

00:58:37.000 We'll be right back.

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01:00:21.000 I'm going to continue with Cliff, John, Doug, and Mike, at least those calls.

01:00:27.000 Then I need to get into a bunch of important news dealing with the Oil, possible evacuations in the Gulf, the economy.

01:00:36.000 Also, an interesting story I saw out Friday, and it's up on InfoWars.com, where they admit that Prozac levels, going into the Gulf of Mexico, because all the major water supplies end up feeding out through those rivers, is dumping Prozac, most of it passes through you, and making the shrimp commit suicide, basically.

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01:01:16.000 I mean, I've known women in college that were on this stuff, and let me tell you, they were wild. 1.00

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01:01:38.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Cliff in Virginia.

01:01:40.000 Cliff, you're on the air.

01:01:42.000 Well, hey Alex, how you doing?

01:01:43.000 Good, sir.

01:01:45.000 I just wanted to talk about some of this WikiLeaks stuff that's been going on.

01:01:49.000 This is typical of what they do in the mainstream media, is they demonize People who try to get the truth out.

01:01:58.000 Patriots become terrorists.

01:02:01.000 And if you'd allow me, I'd like to relate a personal anecdote along those lines.

01:02:08.000 If you recall, last September 11th, the anniversary last year, they had a false flag event on the Potomac with the Coast Guard.

01:02:17.000 And that incident prompted me to write an email at my company.

01:02:22.000 It's pretty short, if you allow me to read it.

01:02:26.000 Uh, it's entitled Public Service Announcement.

01:02:29.000 It was sent with high importance.

01:02:31.000 It says, Today is the eighth anniversary of the day the Bush administration murdered 3,000 people to enable the illegal invasion of the Middle East.

01:02:41.000 This level of treason is unprecedented in the history of this nation.

01:02:46.000 The attacks of September 11th, 2001 We're not only a physical attack, they were a psychological attack on the people of this country in order to sway public opinion for an invasion of the Middle East oil fields.

01:03:01.000 Osama Bin Laden had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11 and publicly stated that fact.

01:03:08.000 The American people have been brainwashed, lied to, deceived, and murdered.

01:03:15.000 George W. Bush and Dick Cheney Or is this Cliff?

01:03:19.000 This is Cliff. 0.99

01:03:19.000 and war criminals, they should be tried, convicted, and publicly executed, hung by their necks until they are dead, which under the military tribunals is the accepted form of punishment for treason. 0.99

01:03:34.000 Uh, John, or is this Cliff? 1.00

01:03:37.000 This is Cliff.

01:03:38.000 Yeah, Cliff, look, I do call for government people to be brought to justice through a legal court.

01:03:45.000 But this is a large platform and my show is not the place to talk about executing former presidents and vice presidents.

01:03:54.000 And so I appreciate your call.

01:03:56.000 I do agree that 9-11 is a false flag attack. 0.97

01:03:59.000 We know the official story is a fraud.

01:04:01.000 We know that Cheney was clearly involved. 0.99

01:04:03.000 As for Bush, he's a complete puppet.

01:04:06.000 But in my position, President Bush and Cheney could go to prison tomorrow, and all this evil is going to continue. 0.98

01:04:15.000 They are mid-level puppets.

01:04:18.000 And believe me, this is not the place for you to probably come on air, and even I understand you're saying after a court finds them guilty in all of this, it's just I don't want any violence, or to talk about any violence against Obama, Bush, or any of these people.

01:04:34.000 We're under extreme scrutiny.

01:04:36.000 But separate from that, I don't believe talk about violence is the way to go.

01:04:41.000 I just want to try to reach out to people and get them to see the larger picture of what's happening, and then we can come together and decide as a society what we're going to do about that.

01:04:52.000 But I appreciate your call.

01:04:53.000 Interesting email you sent around at work.

01:04:55.000 Okay, we'll go to others when we come back after this quick break.

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01:08:17.000 Okay, coming up in about 25 minutes, we've got John Young of Cryptome to give us his inside take on WikiLeaks, the organization itself, and these tens of thousands of documents that are damning and these tens of thousands of documents that are damning to the Afghan war that we're now entering the eighth year of.

01:08:40.000 Hey, little sister, who's your Superman? 1.00

01:08:43.000 So that is coming up, and I want to hit some other news before he joins us, so let's go quickly to your calls right now.

01:08:49.000 John in Washington, you're on the air.

01:08:53.000 Alex.

01:08:53.000 Yes, sir.

01:08:56.000 I read the New York Times write-up on the Wikileaks leaks and the headline was the ISI was behind a lot of the attacks and supporting and coordinating the Taliban.

01:09:11.000 And then I watched Fox News this morning and they were just talking about how big of a security breach it was and how this is going to endanger troops And I know where you're going.

01:09:23.000 Notice, exactly, I was going to get to that when our guest joins us.

01:09:27.000 So now, this bolsters having U.S. 0.54

01:09:29.000 troops in Pakistan.

01:09:31.000 They just announced two weeks ago that U.S.

01:09:32.000 troops are in Pakistan.

01:09:35.000 Ron Paul and Kucinich last week Try to create a resolution that they want the House to pass.

01:09:42.000 They're now sponsoring it to say this is illegal.

01:09:46.000 I mean, forget just declaring war.

01:09:50.000 Now Congress isn't even aware of what's going on.

01:09:52.000 And so are you saying that this was given to WikiLeaks by the government, by the Pentagon, as a roundabout way to demonize Pakistan?

01:10:02.000 Well, that's possible, but what I was thinking is, they might have, it might have just been an actual leak, and it actually shows that the whole war is an intelligence operation.

01:10:12.000 It's sort of a dog-and-pony show by the CIA and ISI.

01:10:16.000 I mean, the ISI started the Mujahideen in the 80s.

01:10:20.000 Well, we already know this.

01:10:21.000 Actually, in 1979, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in the Carter administration brags, he started it, had them attack the Russian-controlled areas, the nations bordering Afghanistan, got the Russian response then to take place, so the U.S.

01:10:36.000 didn't get involved later, The United States or the people running our country were involved from the start.

01:10:41.000 Pakistan's been given nukes by our government. 0.68

01:10:44.000 And clearly they have been working with the United States, with the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

01:10:48.000 Remember the airlift of evil.

01:10:49.000 Guys, search engine the airlift of evil.

01:10:52.000 MSNBC, Newsweek, Associated Press, Financial Times of London.

01:10:58.000 6,000 Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders just turned themselves in during the Afghan war and were flown out to safety in Pakistan to continue the fake war.

01:11:07.000 So yes, it is staged.

01:11:08.000 And you're saying from the documents, you think that means that this adds validity to it?

01:11:15.000 Yeah, I think, well I think the main thing is to be, once those documents come out, I don't know, is it...

01:11:21.000 I don't know if WikiLeaks has released them, just gave it to Der Spiegel and the New York Times, but once those documents come out, we should do the best we can to pour through those and get some hardcore evidence of the fraud that this war is.

01:11:34.000 Well, how do you pour through 92,000 classified documents?

01:11:38.000 Some of them could be extremely long.

01:11:40.000 Portions of them have, as you said, been published now by these papers.

01:11:45.000 And I think Wikileaks, if they're going to release it, they should release it to the world.

01:11:49.000 And I was trying to look around and found a little bit of it, but not much.

01:11:52.000 And that is a little suspicious.

01:11:55.000 So we'll see what John Young and, of course, Wayne Madsen have to say about this, because they're suspicious of Wikileaks.

01:12:06.000 I have an open mind on it, but I do think we should look at all the angles on this.

01:12:09.000 What do you think?

01:12:11.000 I don't know.

01:12:11.000 I saw Julian Assange did a TED Talk, and the TED people are just screaming globalists.

01:12:18.000 So I don't know about this.

01:12:19.000 He's sort of got the bleached hair, and he's sort of an icon.

01:12:24.000 That could just be him.

01:12:25.000 It could be he's the face of the free internet.

01:12:29.000 I don't know.

01:12:29.000 Who knows?

01:12:32.000 What do you think?

01:12:33.000 I don't know.

01:12:35.000 I'm analyzing it, I'm looking at it, I'm talking to people from every different angle.

01:12:39.000 I'd like to talk to Julian Assange myself, and he's literally, what, more than ten times emailed us back and forth and says he'll come on and then doesn't.

01:12:48.000 I mean, how many times is it, Jaren?

01:12:53.000 Okay, five times.

01:12:53.000 I just know we've emailed him more than ten.

01:12:56.000 So he's agreed to come on many times, and we want him here.

01:12:59.000 He needs to come on this radio show.

01:13:00.000 Now, his spokesperson, when he was in hiding, Or Geeta Jones, who's done nothing but good work.

01:13:06.000 I mean, we know she's for real.

01:13:08.000 You know, leading the charge against Goldman Sachs, trying to have an internet-free zone where people can go and blog.

01:13:14.000 I mean, I know she's a great lady.

01:13:18.000 And I haven't seen anything to be able to say I know he's a bad guy.

01:13:22.000 But the whole thing is very important, obviously, and we'll continue to analyze it.

01:13:26.000 I appreciate your call, John.

01:13:27.000 Doug in Utah.

01:13:28.000 You're on the air, Doug.

01:13:30.000 Oh, hi, Alex.

01:13:32.000 Hey, Bobby.

01:13:33.000 Hey, I got three points to make real quickly.

01:13:36.000 The first one, in answer to your question, why are Beck and Limbaugh now looking beyond the left-right paradigm?

01:13:44.000 It could be that it's just now making a lot more sense to them than it ever did before.

01:13:48.000 This paper, I read it by Cotevilla, and it's very articulate and very right on.

01:13:55.000 In fact, I was hoping maybe you would address the last part Of his paper, which is, I think, about the 9th or 10th paragraph, up from the bottom, where he says, you have to defend the country class to break down the ruling class's presumptions.

01:14:10.000 The country class has no choice but to imitate the Democrats, at least in some ways, and for a while.

01:14:16.000 And then he gives reasons why.

01:14:18.000 It'd really be great to see you analyze his ideas on that.

01:14:21.000 And then the second thing is, I've been trying to call you for some time.

01:14:26.000 And can't get through, but at one point, a long time ago, you talked about the Mormons a little bit, and I appreciate how you took a neutral stand, but I just wanted to get it on the record that the Mormons are trying to teach the people that the God of this land is Jesus Christ, Jehovah, and that he has a whole lot to say about the destiny of America in light of these murderous combinations, as he calls them, That we now see all around us, thanks in large part to your efforts. 0.51

01:14:57.000 And so we're discussing this on my website, outofthedust.org, and I just wanted to get that in.

01:15:02.000 And then finally, after watching your last interview with Max Keiser, I was so incensed at the bankers that I went down and made sure I got right in the front row of our town hall meeting with Orrin Hatch.

01:15:17.000 And I confronted him.

01:15:19.000 I prepared what I was going to ask him from the videos of you and Max Keiser discussing what Max called the banking vermin.

01:15:27.000 And I confronted him and he wanted to just dance around it.

01:15:31.000 And I called him on it.

01:15:34.000 I said, you don't get it, sir.

01:15:35.000 And he got really angry and he vowed to go after the banking vermin.

01:15:42.000 Well, he didn't use those terms.

01:15:43.000 That's Max.

01:15:46.000 Listen, I've got news I have to get to, but Doug, I appreciate your points.

01:15:50.000 I don't get into bashing religious groups.

01:15:53.000 Whether it's Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Seventh-day Adventists, Muslims, Jews.

01:16:00.000 I try to just stand up for what's right.

01:16:04.000 And speak out against government corruption.

01:16:07.000 And then people can make their own decisions.

01:16:09.000 So many other shows All they do is infight with each other.

01:16:14.000 All they do is just descend into arguing with each other.

01:16:18.000 And I'm just here to cover what's happening in the world.

01:16:23.000 And to try to stop the banks from bankrupting our nation by design.

01:16:26.000 To try to stop World War III with Iran. 0.99

01:16:30.000 And to try to get our troops out of these fraudulent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and to try to get a Liberty Bill of Rights culture back.

01:16:38.000 I mean, that's what I stand for, is getting people to realize there's more going on than what the mainstream media tells them, and to think for themselves.

01:16:45.000 It's very simple.

01:16:48.000 And I'm trying to avert a violent revolution in this country.

01:16:53.000 But the establishment wants that.

01:16:55.000 And I'm exposing government-sponsored terror.

01:16:57.000 We have caught criminals that run our government staging terror attacks over and over again.

01:17:03.000 That's one good thing WikiLeaks did.

01:17:05.000 What, last year they released a 2004, that was the last year that they know it was used, An army training manual for captains in the US Army who are in special operations, captains and above, how to stage false flag terror attacks.

01:17:21.000 And the army admitted it was a real document and said they were seeking to criminally charge whoever gave that to them.

01:17:27.000 They never found out who did it.

01:17:29.000 They've criminally charged the army officer that released the gun camera film.

01:17:36.000 Video footage from the Apaches in 2007 in Baghdad.

01:17:41.000 Killing kids and laughing about it.

01:17:43.000 Shooting up the Reuters reporter. 0.99

01:17:45.000 I don't know.

01:17:45.000 I mean, you weigh this.

01:17:47.000 I don't like just bashing people without proof.

01:17:50.000 And I see a lot of people that I respect saying, you know, they don't trust WikiLeaks.

01:17:54.000 We're going to find out coming up in about 15 minutes.

01:17:57.000 But I just think all the evidence is WikiLeaks is good.

01:18:03.000 Now, sometimes they may be fed stuff by intelligence agencies that they want out there.

01:18:09.000 I'm sure that's going on.

01:18:11.000 But if you can confirm a document's real, you've got to put it out if it shows wrongdoing.

01:18:18.000 And my gut tells me WikiLeaks is good.

01:18:24.000 I don't know that.

01:18:25.000 I can't prove that.

01:18:27.000 But we're going to have a discussion about it because it's important.

01:18:29.000 This is the top story out there right now.

01:18:32.000 Let's go ahead and jam in another call here.

01:18:34.000 Let's talk to Mike in Texas.

01:18:35.000 Mike, you're on the air.

01:18:37.000 Hey, Alex.

01:18:38.000 My name is Mike.

01:18:39.000 I'm stationed here at Fort Lloyd.

01:18:40.000 I'm originally from Dallas.

01:18:42.000 What I'm about to tell you might hit home, so I'm sorry to do so.

01:18:45.000 You might already know about it, but if you do, this might verify.

01:18:48.000 I just got back from a tour in Iraq a few months ago.

01:18:51.000 And what I did there was a security escort gunner.

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01:19:00.000 That's what we did.

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01:24:12.000 I remember 12 years ago when the Delta Force was telling Emergency Manager Thomas Sanchez they were preparing for gun confiscation and martial law.

01:24:22.000 They were just testing and actually finding out who would work with them and who wouldn't.

01:24:27.000 Then I interviewed the San Antonio Police Chief.

01:24:32.000 He kicked them out of their town.

01:24:34.000 Then I went to the Travis County SWAT team and warned them and they laughed at me.

01:24:38.000 And then six months later, Lieutenant Beck was his name.

01:24:42.000 Called up and apologized and said, come to my office.

01:24:45.000 Here's Delta Force's card.

01:24:46.000 They were here.

01:24:47.000 Do you know what this is about?

01:24:50.000 And so all over the country since then, they federalized our police.

01:24:54.000 It's part of InfraGard.

01:24:55.000 It's part of the Secret USA.

01:24:59.000 Last week, the Washington Post reported on 854,000 private corporate chiefs with InfraGard license to kill.

01:25:08.000 And so you had a corporate takeover of the government.

01:25:11.000 So they're federalizing the police, but the feds themselves have been taken over, the military's being converted to contractors, and they are training the military on how to set up checkpoints, lock down cities, go door-to-door and take guns.

01:25:25.000 And now it's admitted in New York and Illinois, the military is going door-to-door in knock and talk.

01:25:32.000 But Mike, going back to you, How long ago was this in Afghanistan?

01:25:37.000 And specifically, Afghanistan is under martial law.

01:25:41.000 Tell us about the type of military checkpoints you're training them in.

01:25:45.000 I mean, they thought this was normal.

01:25:47.000 I mean, give us any information you got, Mike.

01:25:50.000 Absolutely.

01:25:50.000 But before I misinterpret, this was actually in Iraq.

01:25:54.000 Okay, Iraq, Iraq.

01:25:54.000 Oh, Iraq.

01:25:55.000 Right.

01:25:56.000 And this was, I just got back about six months ago when I was there for a year.

01:26:00.000 Uh, now, what they were doing is they were saying, you know, they were doing, we were setting up our checkpoints, and you've got to understand, uh, I'm sure that you do know, but in Iraq, it is complete and total martial law.

01:26:10.000 And it's been going on for so long that the people are completely oblivious that they're even being oppressed.

01:26:15.000 You would drive through one military checkpoint, get your vehicle searched, and before you even leave that checkpoint, two kilometers down the road, you can see where the next military checkpoint is going to be.

01:26:25.000 So I don't even understand how they could possibly think that another car could get on the highway from no exit, but there will be another checkpoint just to make sure they did not miss anything.

01:26:35.000 Now, these checkpoints are set up with barricades, and they have a pullover station with it covered in case they really want to deep search these vehicles.

01:26:43.000 They have dogs.

01:26:45.000 Each checkpoint has roughly 12 people, so they make sure to get the vehicles through relatively quickly.

01:26:52.000 Uh, but it's still traffic all the time.

01:26:53.000 Now, these people are so used to martial law that when we're driving down the road in our military trucks and we are about to hit traffic, it's too dangerous for us to stop.

01:27:01.000 So we bump over the median and cross onto oncoming traffic.

01:27:05.000 Now, if that were to happen here, uh, Americans would be freaking out, pulling off the road, calling the police.

01:27:10.000 But over there, they just know to pull over and slow down because it's happening again.

01:27:13.000 It happens all the time.

01:27:16.000 Now for those that don't know, well here's an example.

01:27:19.000 I took my children to Tube and the Comal River and we were staying by Slitterbine and leaving Saturday afternoon.

01:27:29.000 The police were there by the dozens.

01:27:33.000 And they were taking photographs of the people getting off the tube trucks, because, you know, the truck picks them up at the end of the river, and harassing them, and taking photos of everyone.

01:27:43.000 And they had a checkpoint and a cover.

01:27:46.000 And Americans are just being bathed in tyranny.

01:27:49.000 And now they have Marine checkpoints, Army checkpoints against citizens.

01:27:53.000 That's admitted.

01:27:55.000 Did these Austin SWAT team guys understand how they were being acclimated and trained, or did they think it was fun?

01:28:01.000 I'm gonna be honest with you.

01:28:02.000 They thought it was fun.

01:28:03.000 Now these weren't guys that were fresh out of SWAT school.

01:28:05.000 These were veterans, hardened, that are gonna take what they learned here and go back and train the rest of their buddies and the noobs that come in.

01:28:12.000 Now, I mean, there's a lot of theories, and I'm sure there's so many theories about how exactly and why exactly the Iraq War started, because there's so many you can't even list.

01:28:20.000 The Pentagon admits it's a giant laboratory.

01:28:22.000 One reason is to train a giant cohort of troops to come here for martial law.

01:28:27.000 Go ahead.

01:28:28.000 That's absolutely right.

01:28:30.000 That's all it is.

01:28:30.000 We've been there, and everyone in my unit, everyone in the Army who's been to Iraq, that's pretty much all you do, is you create martial law, and you're okay with it.

01:28:41.000 Is anybody seeing through this?

01:28:42.000 Do they know that the bankers have taken over?

01:28:45.000 Do they know they're planning to cut our energy off of the carbon tax?

01:28:49.000 I'm trying to wake them up.

01:28:50.000 Not many, but enough to start something.

01:28:53.000 What were these guys' names in the Austin SWAT team?

01:28:58.000 They had no name tapes.

01:28:59.000 The only thing on their uniform was Austin Swat.

01:29:01.000 And they thought it was great that they were out there.

01:29:03.000 In fact, they were passing out patches to us, like we enjoyed having them out there.

01:29:07.000 It's totally illegal.

01:29:08.000 Well, they've expanded Austin Swat, and the city is completely criminal run.

01:29:12.000 They just rob everything.

01:29:14.000 The carbon taxes have been passed. 0.99

01:29:16.000 And we just live in a hell because wherever there's money, the parasites are going to be there sucking our blood. 0.97

01:29:22.000 I don't even want to go to New Braunfels now. 0.98

01:29:24.000 I even got a ticket while I was there.

01:29:26.000 I didn't even recognize my inspection sticker was out.

01:29:28.000 But they were there.

01:29:29.000 The cops were just looking at the public like they were T-bone steaks, man.

01:29:33.000 And don't worry, cops.

01:29:34.000 America's done. 0.75

01:29:35.000 It's collapsing.

01:29:35.000 You're going to have your way.

01:29:36.000 Okay?

01:29:37.000 Your children have no future.

01:29:38.000 Good job, guys.

01:29:39.000 You've ruined the country for the bankers.

01:29:42.000 God bless you, Mike.

01:29:43.000 We'll be right back.

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01:34:59.000 Okay, for those that just joined us, it's the top story all over the news, I'm sure you've seen it, that WikiLeaks has released 92,000 plus documents mainly dealing with the Afghan war and what they say are massacres.

01:35:12.000 And what I noticed immediately is much of what's in these documents, we haven't had time to go through them all, most of them haven't been released, they've been given to the mainstream media, which makes me question things.

01:35:22.000 I don't know what's really happening here.

01:35:24.000 WikiLeaks released an army document a few years ago where they train captains and above how to stage terror attacks and black ops.

01:35:31.000 They've released a lot of good stuff.

01:35:34.000 But I know that people I respect, like John Young, have had some questions.

01:35:38.000 Madsen goes even further.

01:35:40.000 He's joining us coming up in about 25 minutes to give us his take on what's happening.

01:35:45.000 Both with these new documents.

01:35:48.000 And what he thinks of WikiLeaks.

01:35:51.000 It's also been pointed out by callers, and it is in the New York Times today, that these documents point to the army believing that Pakistan is protecting and working with the Taliban.

01:36:01.000 Well, our own government, I put up the MSNBC article, it's in my film Road to Tyranny, I put out eight years ago, or three or four months after 9-11, more than eight years ago.

01:36:12.000 Where they flew 6,000 Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders out to safety.

01:36:16.000 It was basically a staged war.

01:36:17.000 And we know the CIA created the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

01:36:20.000 We know the CIA admitted a month ago they created fake Bin Laden videos.

01:36:25.000 I don't know what to think of this, and it'll take time to really burrow down into it, but joining us is John Young, kind of the proto-WikiLeaks that's been around for more than a decade, and was one of the guys that helped found what the Electronic Frontiers Foundation and many other organizations, so we know John's a good guy.

01:36:44.000 And John, give us your take on this big story.

01:36:48.000 Well, the first thing I'd like to say is that we don't know if these files, and they are digital files.

01:36:53.000 These are not documents.

01:36:54.000 These are not paper documents.

01:36:55.000 They're only digital files.

01:36:57.000 We don't know if they're authentic or not.

01:36:59.000 What we have, we have three versions in major newspapers and one version on WikiLeaks, and these are only digital versions.

01:37:07.000 And apparently the files are made in the field on computers.

01:37:11.000 and sent in to headquarters.

01:37:14.000 And the problem, and so I'll just say, is first of all, when they say it's the biggest dump of military documents, these are not documents, these are digital files.

01:37:21.000 And the reason I emphasize that is that digital files are notoriously easy to manipulate, forge, change, and doctor.

01:37:28.000 And so, and none of these three newspaper sites or WikiLeaks provides the original files.

01:37:34.000 They only provide doctored and packaged versions.

01:37:37.000 And so, Wikileaks has been known to put up original documents, as does my site.

01:37:41.000 But these are not original documents, and they're only digital files.

01:37:44.000 So, that has not been pointed out, how easy it is to manipulate digital files.

01:37:50.000 And many of the world's intelligence services are dumping huge amounts of digital files onto the Internet right now.

01:37:56.000 And so, we don't know For sure, whether this is a major revelation or not, or if WikiLeaks has been snookered, or if these newspapers have been snookered, and it hasn't been talked about, actually.

01:38:07.000 Now, I say this because WikiLeaks in the past has used digital signatures on every one of their documents to prove authentication.

01:38:14.000 This is the first time they've not done that.

01:38:16.000 So none of these files are digitally authenticated by WikiLeaks, and we find that curious.

01:38:21.000 We also find it curious that for the first time, WikiLeaks released documents to major media before they released it to the public.

01:38:28.000 They've never done that before.

01:38:30.000 They've always opposed that approach.

01:38:32.000 So we don't know what this means, actually, whether this is an orchestrated dump of documents, however they were able to get this.

01:38:40.000 These major newspapers are normally extremely skeptical of WikiLeaks to join this campaign.

01:38:46.000 And so there are many answers yet to be answered about whether this is a legitimate release of information or not.

01:38:54.000 So we don't have the original files.

01:38:56.000 We don't know why they cooked up this deal with these major newspapers who typically don't work together like this.

01:39:03.000 And there you have it.

01:39:07.000 Well, I think you've crystallized it well there.

01:39:12.000 And I had noticed that they'd always had digital signatures before.

01:39:16.000 I had noticed that they'd always give it to the public first.

01:39:20.000 And so a lot of things are changing.

01:39:21.000 And I noticed the last few months the media Normally tries to ignore what WikiLeaks is doing.

01:39:27.000 They've hyped and hyped to pique our interest this data dump that now took place and we've seen Karl Rove and others famously inject fake documents say into George W. Bush's Texas National Air Guard record as a way to try to poison the well to discredit future documents that come out.

01:39:52.000 But we saw them indict the Army officer that gave WikiLeaks the video of the Apaches shooting the kids and the Reuters reporters.

01:40:01.000 So I agree with you that this whole thing needs to be examined and we don't know what's really happening but this is unorthodox for WikiLeaks.

01:40:09.000 It is.

01:40:11.000 And so, I'd like to hear Wayne's view on this.

01:40:16.000 He's an expert in this kind of thing.

01:40:17.000 So, disinformation is big business right now, in digital form, because it's so easy to do.

01:40:24.000 And I'm surprised that WikiLeaks didn't account for itself more.

01:40:28.000 And my suspicion is they needed the cover of these major newspapers for this data, that they didn't have the confidence to go out on its own as it usually does.

01:40:39.000 So they've somehow managed to induce these major newspapers to play this role.

01:40:44.000 And I'm saying, well, that's rather crude.

01:40:46.000 That's pretty good because it's actually not easy to snooker these people.

01:40:51.000 And so, and by the way, one of the things that happens, once you get this kind of coverage in major newspapers, it's very hard to go back and get people to look at the original documents, which are tedious and hard to read, takes forever.

01:41:04.000 So the newspaper version starts to prevail.

01:41:06.000 And it gets a life of its own.

01:41:10.000 Now, we know this has happened several times in connection with the Obama administration, where a news report has taken on a life of its own, and it's very hard to correct it.

01:41:19.000 And so we're very surprised that the, for example, the White House has issued this statement by General Jones.

01:41:24.000 However, DOD has issued no statements, says we're studying the documents.

01:41:28.000 We have no statement to make.

01:41:30.000 So they don't know if they're legitimate or not.

01:41:32.000 Because they, of course, one of the things that they've done, they've initiated disinformation campaigns using Cyberworld.

01:41:38.000 They have a whole new command to do that.

01:41:40.000 And so they know they're pumping out false information themselves.

01:41:44.000 And so one of the things that's now starting to happen in the cyber world is something called blowback, where your own attacks come back to haunt you.

01:41:52.000 And we know that they've been going after Pakistan with disinformation campaigns.

01:41:56.000 And so we would like to see what they're going to do.

01:41:58.000 Now notice that Pakistan and Afghanistan are saying, what's going on here?

01:42:04.000 And so they're suspicious that this is an actual orchestrated campaign.

01:42:09.000 I don't want to add fire to the attacks on WikiLeaks.

01:42:11.000 We have to think that they're doing their best, but we also know that governments are immensely resourceful in using all sorts of outlets to get their message out.

01:42:20.000 Well, I did notice that the New York Times is able to cherry-pick from the 92,000 documents and say, oh look, there's evidence in these that Pakistan is helping the Taliban right as the news is announced that U.S.

01:42:33.000 forces, special forces, are on the ground.

01:42:36.000 Just a few months ago, the Pentagon lied and said we have no forces in Pakistan.

01:42:41.000 Now we know they're lying about that if these documents are authentic, and so it's pointing the finger at Pakistan. 0.77

01:42:48.000 And as you know, that's a long-running campaign right now.

01:42:53.000 And listen, it's all fair.

01:42:56.000 You know, this is what war is about.

01:42:58.000 You mount these disinformation campaigns as part of your on-the-ground campaigns.

01:43:03.000 And the Internet is a favorite way to do this these days.

01:43:06.000 That's why we've grown a little bit cautious about stuff we receive.

01:43:10.000 There's so much of this phony information going out in digital form.

01:43:14.000 Well, I mean, here's an example.

01:43:16.000 Here's an example.

01:43:17.000 When I got the MIAC report from a police officer, and then from another federal officer, I got a Homeland Security report, I called the phone numbers on it.

01:43:27.000 And I did data searches and found out that that was an FBI office I was about to call.

01:43:31.000 I called.

01:43:32.000 The person said, who gave this to you?

01:43:34.000 You know, let me put you to my superior.

01:43:37.000 And I kind of flummoxed him.

01:43:38.000 And they said, yeah, that's real.

01:43:40.000 You're not supposed to have that.

01:43:42.000 And plus, I'd already seen previous documents they put out that had been released and declassified in decades before, and I knew it was ADL, Southern Poverty Law Center.

01:43:51.000 I could even search whole paragraphs and find it in ADL, Southern Poverty Law Center reports.

01:43:56.000 So I went on air and I said it was real, and they later came out and had a congressional investigation, they had a statehouse investigation, and confirmed they were real.

01:44:05.000 But so many documents I get, I just say, delete that out of the inbox.

01:44:08.000 There's no way to find the providence of that.

01:44:11.000 Uh, and again, I don't have a big crew, and I'm pretty much the only person I trust, uh, you know, because my butt's on the line to be able to go forward with stuff.

01:44:22.000 So most stuff I've been sent goes right in the shredder or gets deleted just because, I mean, absolutely.

01:44:29.000 I mean, because most of the stuff I get sent is disinfo.

01:44:33.000 Well, your term provenance is a good one.

01:44:36.000 Because you know, in many fields, this is crucial to figure out whether something is fraudulent or not, is to have a traceable provenance.

01:44:42.000 And in the digital world, this is extremely difficult to do.

01:44:45.000 But it turns out, Alex, you probably know, and Wayne can talk more about this, there are tactical means to trace a digital document below what most people have access to.

01:44:56.000 There are spores and clues that are left in that, unless it's very thoroughly sanitized by professionals.

01:45:03.000 In fact, all computers put secret codes in the text, printers put secret code in the text, and then every time the computer makers and printer makers get caught, they go, oh, it's an accident!

01:45:14.000 But no, I mean, they've got a data stream in all of this.

01:45:17.000 Well, here's one of the technical things, and I'm not an expert, is that everything that goes over the internet, as you know, is broken into packets and then reassembled.

01:45:26.000 An expert can trace those packets backward, because that's how the system is able to reassemble the packets.

01:45:33.000 And it's a well-known spy technique to trace through this packet route, not the entire file, but the packets contain the code for their reassembly at the receiving end.

01:45:43.000 So, unless you sanitize it very carefully, if something's gone over the internet, an expert can go right back to the source.

01:45:49.000 Now, that's not well-known because these people capable of doing that want to keep it secret.

01:45:55.000 Well, the best way to do it is from a computer that you didn't buy from a store, and then to pull up outside of a coffee shop, jack into their network, and use something like a Gmail account, because then there's almost no way for them to track it back.

01:46:13.000 Depends.

01:46:14.000 And I don't want to sound too mysterious here, but I'm saying, well, the technology is pretty far advanced, so a lot of the stuff that we read in the newspaper about capabilities is not all there is to it.

01:46:23.000 Only because the how to do this is so valuable, is that it's just not going to come out.

01:46:29.000 So, one of the things, one of our critiques of WikiLeaks is that they're blowing sunshine about the protection they offer their sources.

01:46:37.000 I happen to have looked at their site a lot and watched it over the years, and it is completely leaky.

01:46:42.000 Their site is a consumer-grade snake oil about protection.

01:46:48.000 Julian Assange, who's very skilled at this, probably knows that.

01:46:51.000 The thing is that only a person who's been at this for several years knows what's wrong with it.

01:46:56.000 So I call it a consumer-grade protection.

01:46:59.000 But it's not something that would ever keep an expert from getting into their stuff and tracing it.

01:47:05.000 But experts never tell you what they're doing, because that's too valuable to keep it to themselves.

01:47:09.000 And so Wikileaks, now it's quite false, but Wikileaks has another site that they handle very sensitive stuff.

01:47:16.000 And this consumer grade is just for consumer stuff.

01:47:20.000 And that, as you know, intelligence agencies have multiple ways they move communication, including all the phony ways.

01:47:26.000 So one of the things I'm intrigued with WikiLeaks is whether they actually think that their site, because they have page after page after page of the ways that they protect people.

01:47:37.000 And that's the usual sign of snake oil, actually.

01:47:39.000 You're over-promising.

01:47:41.000 And I don't know why they're doing that.

01:47:44.000 Actually.

01:47:45.000 Because it doesn't make sense to security experts to go on and link this way.

01:47:49.000 It's a sure sign of deception.

01:47:51.000 Well, you know the army officer that reportedly gave him that video. 0.87

01:47:56.000 He didn't get protected too well, but the word is he shot his mouth off.

01:48:01.000 Well, you often see those stories.

01:48:02.000 It's what I call the lost laptop story.

01:48:04.000 It's called a misleading story about how it happened.

01:48:10.000 Uh, and so there are a number of subterfuges out to cover up how people are actually traced. 1.00

01:48:14.000 And some of them, you say, my God, how could they have been so stupid? 0.99

01:48:17.000 So how did someone get drunk at a bar and lose a laptop? 1.00

01:48:20.000 And so, lost laptops are something of a joke as a reason for orchestrated leaks.

01:48:26.000 So we actually don't know yet.

01:48:27.000 By the way, WikiLeaks is aware of this.

01:48:29.000 They, their talk was about whether, about the reality of the Bradley Manning ploy.

01:48:37.000 And so that, uh, They've never owned up that this is a legitimate story.

01:48:42.000 Well, we can also get a bird's eye view into what's really happening here.

01:48:45.000 By the way, the media responds, analyzing the way they're putting these reports out, the angles they're going with this story.

01:48:53.000 At your preliminary investigation, at your gut level, from decades of researching this, Mr. Young, what do you think's really going on here?

01:49:02.000 A willing suspension of disbelief.

01:49:06.000 That many of these reporters are not technically adept about information security.

01:49:11.000 And they so much want a heroic person like Assange that he's just working them like Madoff does.

01:49:19.000 I call it media entertainment.

01:49:22.000 He's a very entertaining guy.

01:49:24.000 Now wait a minute.

01:49:25.000 First you're saying you think they're trying to do a good job and you don't want to bash him and now you're comparing him to Madoff.

01:49:31.000 What I'm saying is that he's doing a good job of promotion of WikiLeaks.

01:49:36.000 He's really media savvy.

01:49:38.000 He's a very photogenic guy.

01:49:40.000 He's a good performer.

01:49:42.000 He's got a side that looks very appealing to someone who's not very technically adept.

01:49:47.000 And so he's a human.

01:49:49.000 And that's what skilled fraudsters are good at.

01:49:53.000 Alright, well here's my concern.

01:49:55.000 Here's my concern.

01:49:58.000 I think, and callers have broached this as well, that they're going to use this to quote, have a gatekeeper and the whole echelon NSA takeover of the web.

01:50:07.000 In fact, they're already actually saying that.

01:50:09.000 That, oh, because this classified stuff keeps getting out on the web, we've got to have everything go through a gatekeeper first.

01:50:14.000 And that's the way that the establishment is going to announce the fact that everything's already going through a gatekeeper.

01:50:22.000 That's already seen in the works.

01:50:25.000 But having lived for 500 years, There's an answer to that.

01:50:29.000 There's always another answer to that.

01:50:30.000 And so I can say this about WikiLeaks.

01:50:33.000 I think they've kicked the ball down the road a little bit further.

01:50:35.000 That I think that they have potentially exposed some communication vulnerabilities that will be closed.

01:50:43.000 On the other hand, new ones will come along and there'll be people who come along after WikiLeaks learning from their experience.

01:50:50.000 I'm sorry, learning from them.

01:50:52.000 Stay there.

01:50:53.000 Final segment with John Young of Cryptome.org.

01:50:55.000 I'm Alex Jones with InfoWars.com.

01:50:58.000 Stay with us.

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01:53:58.000 Remember five years ago, a couple hundred photos from Ambugraib got released?

01:54:09.000 It turned out that Congress was given one day By the Pentagon, I guess, because the Pentagon's the boss of Congress.

01:54:17.000 Everything's backwards.

01:54:18.000 To look at thousands of videos and photos, and they admitted it showed children being raped, tortured, and a lot of evidence showed that those photos were actually leaked by the government because they knew that more of this stuff was about to come out as a way to whitewash it, and they released some of the more tame abuse.

01:54:38.000 That was going on that could kind of be laughed off I mean I've seen so many confirmed reports of torture people being killed massacres in Afghanistan and Now you see all this stuff coming out.

01:54:50.000 Oh look I don't know the truth about WikiLeaks.

01:54:55.000 And I think they've done a lot of good work.

01:54:57.000 I mean, a lot of the stuff I've seen them put out, I guarantee you, the Pentagon's not happy about, and they've confirmed it's real.

01:55:02.000 So I guess this is a hall of mirrors that we're in, but time will tell.

01:55:08.000 John Young from Cryptome, any other points you want to add along this line?

01:55:13.000 That's about it, Alex.

01:55:14.000 Overall, I mean, what Correct me if I'm wrong, but early on you did work with WikiLeaks some, correct?

01:55:27.000 Yep.

01:55:28.000 For a month.

01:55:30.000 And then what made you pull out?

01:55:32.000 Well, is that they said they were going to raise five million dollars the first year.

01:55:39.000 And I said, you can only do that by corrupt means or by governments funding you.

01:55:43.000 And I don't want to be part of anything like that.

01:55:45.000 You've got to establish credibility first.

01:55:47.000 So they kicked me off the list.

01:55:50.000 And I still think that's what they're up to.

01:55:52.000 I think they're going to monetize this operation and start selling stuff on the black market if they're not already doing it or selling it to the news media or selling it to the governments.

01:56:00.000 It's a honeypot.

01:56:01.000 But it's also a potential black market operation.

01:56:04.000 And so I'm just saying that's what it looks like to me from the outside.

01:56:07.000 You go there and you look and you see this and if you don't suspend disbelief, it stinks.

01:56:13.000 Well, that's what Madsen says.

01:56:14.000 Of course, he worked with the NSA and others.

01:56:17.000 He's made connections to Soros and others, and he says they want to make Iceland kind of a backwater where they can selectively decide what they want to release, basically like Karl Rove burning the ambassador and the CIA people, that this is a way to fence that information out.

01:56:40.000 Well, and the issue here comes back to the fact that we don't actually know who they are or how they operate or what the money is or anything else.

01:56:47.000 And so their lack of, and I hate the term transparency because it's terribly abused these days, but we don't actually know what they're up to.

01:56:56.000 And so that just looking at what they say, they certainly behave like fraudsters.

01:57:03.000 And so I'll just say, look at the obvious.

01:57:07.000 They're not behaving like trustworthy people.

01:57:10.000 Trustworthy people are not discautious.

01:57:12.000 They don't exaggerate their accomplishments.

01:57:14.000 They don't lie about who they are and what they're up to.

01:57:16.000 They don't withhold this information.

01:57:18.000 But people who are up to no good do exactly that.

01:57:22.000 And you're saying WikiLeaks has done that?

01:57:23.000 I mean, at the start of the interview you said that you thought they were trying to do some good things.

01:57:28.000 Well, I'm saying is that the intent of putting out documents without going through authoritative sources is a noble goal.

01:57:34.000 But the way they're operating makes you wonder, why is this being done? 0.88

01:57:40.000 You're saying you smell a rat.

01:57:42.000 Well, I'm saying the documents are to be trusted.

01:57:45.000 They are not.

01:57:45.000 And this last few months where they shut down the site and gone on a PR campaign and fundraising campaign, all the documents have stopped.

01:57:54.000 And now they come out with digital documents, which are typically, I've watched you for more than a decade and your great work to keep the internet free and open.

01:58:01.000 months.

01:58:02.000 I don't know why they've done that.

01:58:04.000 Well, John Young, I know you've got integrity.

01:58:06.000 I've watched you for more than a decade and your great work to keep the internet free and open.

01:58:10.000 Well, thank you, sir.

01:58:12.000 And I appreciate you coming on with these tough questions.

01:58:15.000 We respect your opinion.

01:58:17.000 I'm going to be neutral on this because, I'll be quite frank, I'm in over my head.

01:58:21.000 But we're glad we've got you here to confer with us so we can try to, over time, figure out what's happening.

01:58:28.000 But we really appreciate you and all your work.

01:58:31.000 Thank you very much.

01:58:32.000 Take care.

01:58:32.000 You bet.

01:58:33.000 We're going to come right back with Wayne Madsen, hour number three, 70 seconds away.

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02:00:16.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:00:23.000 We're live.

02:00:23.000 It's hour number three.

02:00:24.000 Big news splits coming up in the last half hour.

02:00:26.000 Wayne Madsen of waymadsenreport.com is our guest.

02:00:29.000 I'm Alex Jones of infowars.net.

02:00:32.000 Whatistheendgame.com and jonesreport.com.

02:00:37.000 Wayne Madsen is a DC-based investigative journalist.

02:00:41.000 I know whenever I'm watching Intelligence Committee hearings, I can look in the background in the press gallery and see him there on C-SPAN.

02:00:46.000 He's an author and syndicated columnist.

02:00:48.000 He's written for The Village Voice, The Progressive, Counterpunch, Online Journal, CorpWatch, Multinational Monitor, News Insider, American Conservative.

02:00:58.000 Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Columbus Dispatch, Sacramento Bee, Houston Chronicle, Herald, Miami Herald.

02:01:05.000 He's the author of the best-selling personal data protection, London Macmillan, an acclaimed reference book on international data protection law, Genocide and Covered Operations, co-author of America's Nightmare.

02:01:19.000 He's a regular contributor on NBC, CBS, PBS, Russia Today, BBC, Al Jazeera, MSNBC.

02:01:26.000 He, of course, worked with a U.S.

02:01:27.000 Naval officer, managed the first computer security programs for the U.S.

02:01:33.000 Navy.

02:01:33.000 He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency and Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, Computer Science Corporation.

02:01:41.000 He's a senior fellow with Electronic Privacy Information Center, EPIC, a privacy public advocacy group, imagined as a member of the Society of Professional Journalists.

02:01:50.000 an association of intelligence officers and the national press club.

02:01:53.000 And I spent a lot of time reading much of his bio because we don't normally do that.

02:01:56.000 He's specifically well vetted and has a lot of gravitas on not just the NSA, Homeland Security, cybersecurity takeover that's passed committee, now going to the full Senate, but WikiLeaks and black ops and dirty tricks but WikiLeaks and black ops and dirty tricks and basic sneakiness.

02:02:16.000 And so, we're going to break here in three minutes, but Wayne, we can talk about what these reports look like to you, how they may use it to censor the internet, what you think of Wikileaks.

02:02:26.000 You've got the floor, let's go over it.

02:02:29.000 Well Alex, what I've seen with what the reporting, these 90,000 documents are, the highest classification is secret.

02:02:42.000 Now we know that the intelligence community is over classifying things.

02:02:47.000 So, really, what do we have here?

02:02:49.000 Do we have anything that's really earth-shattering, or do we have something that probably could be found on the front page of any daily newspaper?

02:02:59.000 We know that from these leaked documents that there's a mess in Afghanistan and Pakistan. 0.98

02:03:09.000 Well, we already knew that.

02:03:10.000 We knew that from Ambassador Carl Eikenberry's cables back to Washington to the State Department that stated that, you know, backing this guy Hamid Karzai is a total disaster.

02:03:25.000 And so what do we know that's new?

02:03:28.000 What we have here are three newspapers selected for these leaks.

02:03:33.000 The New York Times, The Guardian in the UK, and Der Spiegel in Germany.

02:03:37.000 And I think all three are problematic when it comes to leaks.

02:03:42.000 Because these are well-known papers that work like hand-in-glove with intelligence.

02:03:47.000 Absolutely, and we know that Der Spiegel, for example, is pushing for the war against Iran.

02:03:53.000 They supported the United States in the Russian war in South Ossetia against Georgia.

02:04:00.000 We know that The Guardian has some links to George Soros.

02:04:04.000 And again, we know that Soros and his friends like Cass Sunstein are big promoters of WikiLeaks.

02:04:12.000 Which is bizarre, because we've got Sunstein saying, censor the internet.

02:04:16.000 This looks like it could be their excuse, but that's what I noticed yesterday and today, reading these articles, is notice they're saying, oh look, it shows that Pakistan's helping the Taliban, right as the West wants to go into Pakistan, and admits we have special forces on the ground.

02:04:30.000 So, it's very suspicious.

02:04:32.000 Wayne Madsen, stay there.

02:04:33.000 Let's come back.

02:04:35.000 And go over all of this and talk about the fact that these communiques, 92,000 of them, are in digital format.

02:04:43.000 So we'll discuss it all straight ahead with Wayne Madsen.

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02:08:08.000 Alright, investigative journalist Wayne Matson has worked with the NSA, written for some of the biggest newspapers in the country, is our guest.

02:08:16.000 Bottom line, we're only a few days into this WikiLeaks situation, reportedly documenting massacres in Afghanistan, but that's already been in the news.

02:08:27.000 From your well-researched position, what do you bottom line thinks going on here, Wayne?

02:08:33.000 Well, there's a number of journalists, long-time journalists in Washington who are very suspicious of the motives behind WikiLeaks and these so-called leaks.

02:08:47.000 It's clear that WikiLeaks has been engaged in a big fundraising operation, and the John S. Knight Foundation actually turned them down for a grant because they just didn't think that they passed The smell test.

02:09:02.000 And as I say, there's many people, first of all, the job of any journalist is to protect their sources.

02:09:08.000 Now, this guy, this Army private who supposedly leaked some of this information to WikiLeaks, he was outed by a guy out of San Francisco who had a relationship with WikiLeaks who's a former computer hacker.

02:09:22.000 Assange is a former.

02:09:24.000 Julian Assange is a former hacker.

02:09:26.000 Now, all this goes back to the 1980s and the computer hacking on defense computer systems, which I was involved with from the government side.

02:09:38.000 And all of a sudden, we have these guys pop up again.

02:09:42.000 This group, one of the groups was the Chaos Computer Club out of Hamburg, Germany.

02:09:49.000 They did real damage to national security.

02:09:52.000 So I think that's a good question.

02:09:54.000 I think it's significant.

02:09:55.000 Today is the anniversary of the 1988 internet worm launch that was launched on the internet, brought down a lot of computer systems, defense, government, corporate computers.

02:10:09.000 And the guy who released it, Robert Morris Jr., released that worm from Cornell University.

02:10:15.000 His father was the chief scientist for the National Security Agency.

02:10:20.000 Now everybody at the time was of the opinion that this is obviously just an experiment by NSA to pulse the net to see how vulnerable it was to this type of malicious software.

02:10:31.000 And that's where you, that's exactly where I was going, and perhaps WikiLeaks, if this is the case, doesn't know that they're being used.

02:10:41.000 But you notice that right as they're trying to pass cybersecurity, it's passed the Senate committee now, to admittedly take over the web, funnel everything through the NSA, to gatekeep and to surveil.

02:10:53.000 Right as this happening, we've seen the last year, cybersecurity command that's already been set up and operating, the Air Force has said, We're going to launch attacks on ourselves to test this.

02:11:05.000 And now they're trying to use this as a way to say, oh, we've got to start gatekeeping the web to stop security leaks like this.

02:11:12.000 I mean, I just see the timing of all of this really doesn't pass the smell test.

02:11:18.000 But I've also seen some good work by WikiLeaks.

02:11:22.000 But at the same time, isn't that what an intelligence group or a private corporate intelligence group would do?

02:11:26.000 I mean, you know, any double or triple agent is going to put out some good information so that the other side, whatever that side is, will then start taking the bait.

02:11:38.000 Well, you've got to establish your bona fide credentials, and that would be all part of that, to give people the appearance that you're actually engaged in leaking information.

02:11:50.000 Now, a lot of people are looking at this as the Pentagon Papers Redux, but it's totally different because The Pentagon Papers, there was no question as to their authenticity when they were released by Dan Ellsberg.

02:12:07.000 But in this case, as you mentioned, these documents are in digital form and we know that the neocon stock and trade is forgeries and misinformation and disinformation.

02:12:19.000 And I would be very suspicious of anything that comes in over the transom in just digital form.

02:12:29.000 48 hours into this, you've been analyzing the way the news is covering it, Der Spiegel, The Guardian, and The New York Times, and I see them trying to say, oh look, Pakistan's working with the Taliban.

02:12:41.000 I mean, out of the gates I see it being used against Pakistan, and Pakistan is in the news today saying, we find this to be very suspicious.

02:12:49.000 Well, also, you know, I noted in the Guardian article that they went to pains to convince the readers that they paid no money to WikiLeaks for these documents, that WikiLeaks had no editorial control, were not involved with the writing of the story, and that they double-checked a lot of the information with other sources.

02:13:12.000 My God, what are you double-checking?

02:13:15.000 This information, you can double-check any major newspaper or any other news website and then find out that the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan is disastrous.

02:13:26.000 So, we're not breaking any new ground here with these so-called revelations.

02:13:31.000 Well, that's like the lithium story.

02:13:33.000 There was a Russian report from 85.

02:13:36.000 There was a 2001 and 2002 U.S.

02:13:40.000 report.

02:13:41.000 They knew that lithium was there.

02:13:42.000 I mean, they know there's trillions of oil there.

02:13:45.000 What did you make of that supposed leak that we were really there for the lithium?

02:13:49.000 Well, I think that, you know, there's a lot of people that would then say, oh, well, we have to be in Afghanistan because we need access to these critical national security resources.

02:14:00.000 Yeah, I was very suspicious of that, as I'm suspicious of any time there's a discovery of oil or some other critical natural resource like coal pans, which has allowed the U.S.

02:14:13.000 to increase its military presence in Central Africa.

02:14:16.000 Wayne, I want to be specific, though, because I don't know Julian Assange.

02:14:21.000 He seems like he's done some good work, but I respect you.

02:14:24.000 I respect John Young from Cryptome.

02:14:29.000 And I've seen a lot, most of what you've talked about, unfortunately, has come true.

02:14:32.000 So I know you're a really good source.

02:14:35.000 And I believe that you believe you have well-founded reasons to not trust them.

02:14:39.000 But going back, are you specifically saying that this Julian Assange guy is a famous hacker involved in going after U.S.

02:14:48.000 military computers in the 80s?

02:14:50.000 Well, this is the background of the WikiLeaks group.

02:14:53.000 One of the principles with WikiLeaks has been associated with the Chaos Computer Club in Germany.

02:14:59.000 I think the fact is that these people travel around the world.

02:15:05.000 They say there's government agents after them.

02:15:09.000 I think that there needs to be more transparency with this organization.

02:15:13.000 Well, their comeback is, well, we have to be secretive because of the information and the people we're dealing with.

02:15:20.000 Well, if this Private Manning is any indication of how they protect their sources, they're dismal failures, because this guy's looking at years in prison because he was outed by one of these people that was associated with WikiLeaks.

02:15:33.000 That's not how an investigative journalist deals with their sources.

02:15:36.000 They go to great pains to protect their identities, and so far, their track record gets a big fat F.

02:15:45.000 What about the providence of these documents?

02:15:47.000 Young pointed out they had digital signatures on them before, that they were actual physical documents, scans of those, and that this disgorgement of 92,000 plus documents breaks with two things.

02:16:00.000 They're entirely digital.

02:16:02.000 A, they're text, they're not copies of paper.

02:16:07.000 Uh, their digital text.

02:16:08.000 B, they didn't disgorge them to the public first, as they've always done.

02:16:13.000 They went directly to powerhouse mainstream media establishment groups like the New York Times that help lie about yellow cake and aluminum tubes in Iraq.

02:16:23.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:16:24.000 I think with the track record of the New York Times and the track record with Der Spiegel on Iran, I think we have to be very skeptical.

02:16:35.000 Now, to be fair, the WikiLeaks, they were criticized before for not engaging the media, the journalists, but I think I think they went the other direction here by selectively making this information available to some media sources that have shown themselves in the past not to be all that trustworthy.

02:17:01.000 What does your gut tell you, Wayne?

02:17:04.000 Well, my gut tells me that this could be, even though the Obama White House is criticizing this quote-unquote leak as terrible, I think we have to look.

02:17:16.000 There's a lot of people in the military who think that this foray into Afghanistan is a large cause that we ought to pull out.

02:17:27.000 Is the White House, you know, are they shedding crocodile tears over this?

02:17:33.000 Or do they see a long-range opportunity to start to convince the public that, look, this is such a failed policy, maybe we need to think about some sort of withdrawal?

02:17:46.000 Well, if that was the case, interrupt.

02:17:48.000 If that was the case, and hold that thought.

02:17:51.000 Then we would see that mirrored in the mainstream news, and we've suddenly seen a lot of big Republicans, the Republican Party chairman, and many others saying, Afghanistan is Obama's war, we need to get out of there, and we've been hearing the Pentagon say that.

02:18:06.000 And so I think that adds a lot of validity to what you just said, Wayne.

02:18:09.000 Right, and what do we have coming up?

02:18:10.000 We have a big election coming up, and the Democrats are being seen as possibly losing a number of seats in the Senate and the House, so this could be an effort at some sort of damage control.

02:18:22.000 This could be what I call a controlled hemorrhage.

02:18:25.000 Uh, leaking this information.

02:18:27.000 The White House says, oh, this could put our troops in jeopardy.

02:18:29.000 Well, you know, I mean, we already know it's a mess over there.

02:18:33.000 How are they going to be in any more jeopardy when they release, uh, the highest level secret, which, with over-classification, that would at best be confidential or, or for official use only, or unclassified in the past.

02:18:48.000 Yeah, because Ellsberg's reports, those were the highest level government and think tank analysis from the big brain bugs that the war was a complete failure, not battlefield communiques.

02:19:00.000 No, yeah, right.

02:19:01.000 The Pentagon Papers came out of the RAINN Corporation, which was basically writing policy in Vietnam and Indochina.

02:19:08.000 So, what we have here, you know, what do we have?

02:19:11.000 Emails, cable traffic between US diplomats and State Department.

02:19:19.000 I mean, where's the criticality here except for the fact that these documents all approve what we already knew, that There's a lot of dissension in the ranks with this totally messed up policy we have in Afghanistan.

02:19:36.000 That also gives validity that it's real and Wikileaks is doing a good job because that's the type of thing they're going to be leaked is something that a captain or a colonel who's mad can put on a memory stick and give to them.

02:19:47.000 So it's just a hall of mirrors.

02:19:49.000 I want to come back and talk about the Cybersecurity Act itself and the end of the free internet as we know it with Wayne Madsen straight ahead.

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02:24:06.000 Wayne Madsen's our guest.

02:24:07.000 Wayne, they passed the Cybersecurity Act out of the Senate Committee, as you know.

02:24:13.000 It's publicly the end of the free Internet, if they're able to get it launched and carry it out.

02:24:19.000 The public is starting to wake up to this.

02:24:22.000 And as a security expert and Internet expert, give us your view on the future of the Web.

02:24:28.000 Well, I think the idea of the President having the authority to throw a kill switch should send shutters down everyone's spine.

02:24:37.000 We have to look at the three Senators who proposed this, who really shepherded this through the Senate.

02:24:44.000 Joe Lieberman, and we don't have to say anything more about him, but the other one, Susan Collins from Maine, but the other one, Jay Rockefeller, From West Virginia, and you know, I mean, that last name should tell everybody who's behind this and what the motives are.

02:25:00.000 Well, we know his quote, we would have been better off without ever inventing an internet.

02:25:04.000 You got Lieberman saying, we don't want to censor the web, we just need the power that China has to control it. 0.63

02:25:10.000 Well, and China does effectively control the Internet.

02:25:14.000 They have their own search engine called Baidu.

02:25:17.000 They didn't like Google.

02:25:19.000 Of course, now Google apparently has settled its problems with China, but many websites are blocked in China.

02:25:27.000 And is that what Lieberman's referring to?

02:25:29.000 He's putting China up as some great example for this country to follow?

02:25:35.000 I mean, I can't believe the people of Connecticut can constantly keep putting this guy back in office.

02:25:41.000 But we have to remember Connecticut is the home of the Bush family.

02:25:45.000 It's the home of William F. Buckley.

02:25:47.000 And it's the home of a number of Wall Street gangsters.

02:25:53.000 So should we expect anything less from the state of Connecticut?

02:25:57.000 Probably not.

02:25:58.000 Wayne, I want to bring up two other points with you.

02:26:01.000 You probably didn't hear it, but last Friday, Rush Limbaugh came out and said there's a blue-blood elite in New York and D.C., the banks are ripping us off, they want to destroy the middle class, and the Republicans are controlled by the same elite.

02:26:15.000 He's always acted as a gatekeeper to deny that we have a corrupt oligarchy running things.

02:26:23.000 He really went far Uh, on Friday.

02:26:26.000 Is that because if he doesn't do that and change with the times because the public's already waking up, uh, he won't be relevant?

02:26:33.000 Or is there a fight within the establishment?

02:26:35.000 What's your view on that?

02:26:37.000 Well, I think he's trying to be like you, Alex.

02:26:38.000 He probably sees your ratings and his ratings, and he figures he's got to repackage himself and rebrand himself.

02:26:47.000 You know, if he really believes this, I say, you know, welcome to the real world, Rush Limbaugh, but let's see if he maintains this stance.

02:26:56.000 It may change with time.

02:26:57.000 Well, I tend to agree with you.

02:26:59.000 Lastly, really chilling news here.

02:27:04.000 Haaretz reporting, Jerusalem Post, Associated Press, ex-CIA chief says strike on Iran seems more likely now, and that even if they don't get a nuke, they need to be attacked.

02:27:17.000 This from Hayden, amazing statements.

02:27:20.000 It seems that the drums for war are really intensifying.

02:27:24.000 Give us your view from being inside the beltway there, what the chatter is.

02:27:28.000 Is this getting ready to be green-lighted?

02:27:31.000 Well, of course we have the Republicans in Congress trying to get a resolution passed to support an Israeli attack on Iran.

02:27:38.000 So, absolutely there's a lot behind all this noise.

02:27:42.000 I would point out that Michael Hayden is in business now with Michael Chertoff.

02:27:48.000 in the security consulting business, and should we expect anything less from him?

02:27:53.000 But, yeah, I think the drums are beating very loudly for war on Iran, and if that happens, I think we're looking at a potential catastrophe, of course.

02:28:08.000 And the two minutes we've got left, what type of catastrophe?

02:28:12.000 Well, look, the first thing the Iranians will do, they're going to attack the Saudi oil fields, They're going to close the Strait of Hormuz. 0.99

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02:28:26.000 military bases, courtesy of Obama, that he will cut off oil to the United States.

02:28:31.000 I think we're talking about something akin to the oil blockade of the 1970s, only probably 20 times worse.

02:28:42.000 And we now see the military priming the propaganda saying that they think nuke components are being shipped from Venezuela via ship to Iran.

02:28:52.000 That's a perfect way to attack Venezuela and claim because they were helping with weapon systems. 0.96

02:28:58.000 Well, of course, and here we go with the phony intelligence, which, again, I reiterate, that is the neocon stock and trade.

02:29:06.000 False intelligence, bogus intelligence, forged documents we saw with the war in Iraq, and we're seeing it play out all over again.

02:29:18.000 What's the time frame on an Iran strike?

02:29:21.000 Well, I said in 2004 there were plans to try to do it before the November election.

02:29:31.000 I think we're looking at electioneering politics, and what better way to rally support for the White House than to have a war with Iran in, say, early October. 0.89

02:29:41.000 We'll keep watching it.

02:29:42.000 Thanks for your help.

02:29:43.000 Wayne Matzer, Report.com.

02:29:44.000 Wayne, we'll talk to you again soon.

02:29:46.000 You bet.

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02:35:24.000 Okay, let's go ahead now and get into more of the news.

02:35:29.000 And I had seen this story last Friday from Kurt Nimmo.

02:35:37.000 And now in the aftermath of it, I want to discuss it because I get, no exaggeration, hundreds of emails a day, phone calls, message board comments.

02:35:50.000 People on the street, people that I know, saying, Alex, why aren't you talking about the looming evacuations of the Gulf?

02:35:58.000 Well, I have talked about a Council on Foreign Relations member a month ago who told the Washington Post that he believes it's going to happen and it could be 20 million people.

02:36:08.000 I have talked about other people in government that have discussed it, but I don't know if that's true or if that is indeed going to happen.

02:36:16.000 Now, the hurricane season is starting, and it's going to run right through November, right into the election, and most of the oil is offshore.

02:36:27.000 The rig is 50 miles off, and most of it's plumed out in the currents even more south.

02:36:33.000 And some of it has gone through the Keys towards the Atlantic.

02:36:38.000 And if the hurricanes come in on their tracks, driving it in to Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, Hundreds of millions of gallons of oil hitting the beach will be a catastrophe.

02:36:49.000 But I don't know if that's going to happen.

02:36:52.000 And I want to be careful here.

02:36:54.000 I don't want to feed into the government's hype.

02:36:56.000 I mean, I've become more sophisticated.

02:36:58.000 It doesn't mean I'm sophisticated.

02:36:59.000 I'm saying I've become more sophisticated as time goes on.

02:37:05.000 We didn't know what was happening in January of last year, a year and a half ago.

02:37:11.000 We just knew that the military and FEMA were preparing police departments for all-out martial law, telling them there was going to be a flu pandemic that was going to kill millions.

02:37:20.000 And we got the state of California, the state of New York, Illinois.

02:37:25.000 We got the documents.

02:37:26.000 We got the eyewitness reports from emergency managers.

02:37:30.000 That they were being told this was going to happen.

02:37:32.000 Then, when out of season in the wrong hemisphere, this novel flu pops up, the H1N1, I went on air and I said, this could be real, or it could be hype, or it could just be a drill for federalization.

02:37:44.000 I don't know.

02:37:48.000 And then we saw doctors being told at the state level, in Texas and other states, that it was much worse, the deaths were much worse, this was in April, and the following months, April, May, and then into June.

02:38:04.000 And within a month and a half, I knew it was a fraud and just a hoax.

02:38:09.000 But we saw doctors being told by the feds there will be mass death, it's real, so they would go out and then scare everybody.

02:38:15.000 And they weren't bad, they were repeating what they'd been told by the feds.

02:38:20.000 So yes, if that oil comes in, if a large percentage of it comes in, and it starts backing up in the rivers and estuaries, and it's off-gassing methane gas, we could have a serious problem.

02:38:32.000 But we don't want the feds to over-hype it, or use the internet to over-hype it, as they did the flu, to then get everybody totally afraid, where they buy into a forced evacuation, You know, 50 miles, 100 miles, 200 miles in, that will cause a collapse of the economy in those states, and nationwide to a certain extent, and will be used as a political diversion going into the election.

02:39:01.000 So let's go ahead and go over this report by Kurt Nemo, where he quotes Matthew Simons, founder of the Ocean Energy Institute.

02:39:11.000 Ocean Energy Institute founder says new hurricane will require Gulf evacuation.

02:39:16.000 Thank God that storm deteriorated and didn't turn into a hurricane and is now broken up.

02:39:22.000 But the season is just getting started and they say it's going to be a doozy of a hurricane season.

02:39:27.000 The U.S.

02:39:28.000 National Hurricane Center has warned that a weather system near Cuba, centered between the islands of Acollons and Great Inagua, if I'm pronouncing that right, may move into the Gulf of Mexico this weekend, reports Bloomberg.

02:39:44.000 But again, it didn't.

02:39:45.000 But what happens with the next one?

02:39:47.000 In response to the approach of the tropical cyclone, BP workers in the Gulf of Mexico have stopped drilling a relief well and preparing to evacuate.

02:39:54.000 Psychologist Jim Rolier said, we're going to try to get him on as well.

02:39:58.000 In response to the approach of the tropical cyclone, BP workers in the Gulf of Mexico have stopped drilling a relief well and preparing to evacuate.

02:40:07.000 But they were able to stop that on Sunday.

02:40:09.000 Reports the BBC on Wednesday.

02:40:12.000 National Incident Commander Thad Allen said a tropical storm in the area would push back the timetable 10 to 14 days.

02:40:21.000 Matthew Simons, founder of the Ocean Energy Institute, told Bloomberg on Wednesday that a leak near the Deepwater Horizon site may require an evacuation of the Gulf Coast in a hurricane strikes the area.

02:40:33.000 Some five to ten miles away is what NOAA research vessels have provided as a deep oil leak that is growing by the day and is very toxic oil and its gases are very lethal and basically we have a hurricane now, we need to evacuate the Gulf Coast, Simon said.

02:40:51.000 That's a pun, Simons.

02:40:54.000 Simons also said BP has covered up the severity of the oil gusher, as it has told the truth, they would go to jail.

02:41:03.000 And then we go over all of that, and it goes on, on June 24th, Matthew Simons, who's a member of the Council of Foreign Relations and subscribes to the Club of Rome's Limits to Growth propaganda, says he's also a proponent of peak oil.

02:41:17.000 So it just sounds like he's out there hyping it.

02:41:19.000 Uh, and I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned.

02:41:23.000 Uh, just my opinion is this could be used as a diversion and a distraction as another federal takeover drill, just like the flu was, which they now admit is a fraud.

02:41:32.000 British Medical Journal, EU, 47-member board, uh, Wolfgang Wudarg, we had on.

02:41:40.000 But we're gonna work on getting both these individuals that are quoted in this article on the show as soon as we can.

02:41:49.000 Okay, let me continue now with other news.

02:41:51.000 I'm just going to quickly go through headlines now.

02:41:55.000 This is from the Daily Mail.

02:41:56.000 The internet license fee.

02:41:58.000 Viewers who watch TV on computer could be charged from next year, hence government minister.

02:42:03.000 That's out of England.

02:42:04.000 The same thing is being promoted by the FCC here in the United States and the Federal Trade Commission.

02:42:11.000 So they really are talking about this.

02:42:13.000 Media Matters is engaged in more hoaxes.

02:42:16.000 Right-wing, and that means George Soros is, right-wing bloggers push rumor that Mexican gangs have invaded the US.

02:42:25.000 Well, in Texas and Arizona, they've got federal signs up in Arizona, 80-plus miles in, saying, don't go in this national park, don't go in this state park, don't drive down this road.

02:42:34.000 There is law that is attacking and killing people.

02:42:37.000 People are in fear in South Texas.

02:42:39.000 There are Mexican troops coming across the border.

02:42:41.000 That's San Antonio Express News.

02:42:43.000 There are firefights happening.

02:42:47.000 And they just come and say none of it's happening, kind of like Congressman Stark a month ago in California.

02:42:53.000 They said, sir, things are falling apart in Arizona.

02:42:56.000 80 plus miles, you know, is being taken over.

02:42:58.000 He said, there's no border problem.

02:43:01.000 Remember that quote?

02:43:02.000 There's no problem.

02:43:03.000 No problem.

02:43:04.000 There's not a problem for him.

02:43:07.000 Collapsing the United States.

02:43:08.000 Remember a few weeks ago, Harry Reid.

02:43:13.000 Told the reporters that there's no illegal aliens working in construction in Nevada.

02:43:18.000 Turns out they have the highest rate in the country, 36 plus percent.

02:43:22.000 So there's no world government, there's no illegal aliens, there's no problem there. 0.79

02:43:30.000 A big report by Kurt Nemo at Infowars.com.

02:43:33.000 Once again, corporate media turns on bloggers.

02:43:35.000 We have the video clip at the bottom of the article.

02:43:37.000 I don't have time to play it.

02:43:41.000 There is a whole bunch of mainstream news media, in fact there's a bunch of these videos posted in here, where they say we've got to have a gatekeeper on the internet.

02:43:50.000 Why, we've seen this poor lady that worked for the federal government with the white farmer comment and the internet was able to do that and we need to be able to shut them down because it's dangerous. 1.00

02:43:59.000 What about the mainstream media lying about WMDs?

02:44:03.000 What about the mainstream media trying to lie all the time?

02:44:06.000 Again, they can't survive up against the alternative media.

02:44:10.000 When I can have an operation that runs on one one hundredth or less of what MSNBC does and have close to the same viewership and readership as some of their top shows, they've got a major problem.

02:44:30.000 Continuing, I saw this report last week but now there's more out on it from Salon, National Geographic, And others.

02:44:40.000 Shrimp on Prozac are killing themselves.

02:44:44.000 A study shows that drug traces in our water, in our wastewater, can affect marine life behavior.

02:44:52.000 But can crustaceans have feelings?

02:44:56.000 And in major prestigious reports, government studies find that shrimp are just swimming right up to birds and being eaten.

02:45:06.000 They're overconfident.

02:45:08.000 They've had their governors removed.

02:45:13.000 They've had their compulsions removed.

02:45:16.000 They've had their fear level.

02:45:19.000 And this is what the studies when they approved Prozac in 81 had shown.

02:45:22.000 That's why it's now on the drug insert.

02:45:24.000 That, oh yeah, most of the time you're going to be having a great time.

02:45:26.000 It's a hallucinogen.

02:45:27.000 It's in a psychotropic category.

02:45:29.000 But some days, if you get angry, or you don't take the right amount of the medication, or you try to go off of it, or you mix it with other things, You will break and go in and kill 20 people at a school, or you'll chop your baby's arms off, or you'll put your kids all in their car seats, chain them in and drive them off a cliff.

02:45:48.000 In every case, in every case, they've always been on it.

02:45:53.000 And I've talked to so many police, they say they'll pull up at To a call, and there'll be a beautiful, naked woman, in one case a cop told me about, cutting herself with butcher knives on the roof. 0.99

02:46:04.000 And then she'll just jump off the roof, breaking her legs. 1.00

02:46:07.000 She's on Prozac, or a serotonin reuptake inhibitor.

02:46:11.000 And they found the same thing with shrimp.

02:46:14.000 Shrimp will just come up and start attacking crabs, when the crabs are just gonna eat them.

02:46:18.000 Or they will... They will just come up to the surface and not be afraid.

02:46:24.000 Their inhibitions have been taken away.

02:46:29.000 And it goes on.

02:46:30.000 Study shows that drug traces in our waste.

02:46:33.000 Here's the National Geographic.

02:46:35.000 Prozac pollution making shrimp reckless.

02:46:38.000 Antidepressant's key ingredient is flushed into coastal water, study says.

02:46:43.000 Well yeah, think about it.

02:46:44.000 Houston.

02:46:46.000 Six million people metro.

02:46:49.000 You got upwards of 15% on Prozac.

02:46:51.000 Most of it's passed through the body.

02:46:53.000 You got all those other towns.

02:46:55.000 All the major water supplies end up from the entire company dumping out in the Gulf of Mexico or on the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean out of these rivers and estuaries.

02:47:05.000 And you've got the shrimp, and that's what the studies have found, they're just full of it.

02:47:10.000 But then there's all the drugs and chemicals and fluoride and pesticides that are also running into the water.

02:47:16.000 And the shrimp There's also reports about the feminization of fish and frogs.

02:47:23.000 Large percentages of them are bisexual, or they have both sexual organs. 0.88

02:47:30.000 And remember, we're drinking this water too.

02:47:33.000 We're not just taking these drugs, we're drinking it as well.

02:47:36.000 So if it's doing this to shrimp, and to frogs, and to fish, and to alligators that are turning into hermaphrodites, what is it doing to you?

02:47:44.000 Well, we see all of these same symptoms in humans.

02:47:47.000 But this is done by design.

02:47:50.000 And AP did a study two years ago finding they found levels of serotonin reuptake inhibitors, Prozac is, you know, the main brand name of one of the variants, at levels many times higher than should be there from simple runoff from sewage.

02:48:03.000 They're adding it to the water.

02:48:05.000 And then I have Fox News clips promoting Prozac in the water, and statins, and lithium.

02:48:11.000 So, here's the newsflash.

02:48:12.000 They're already doing it.

02:48:13.000 Okay?

02:48:15.000 There's no happy ending for shrimp exposed to mood booster Prozac.

02:48:20.000 Remnants of antidepressant drugs flushed into waterways worldwide are altering shrimp behavior and making them easier prey, experts say.

02:48:28.000 To mimic conditions in the wild, scientists exposed the estuary-dwelling shrimp to the antidepressant, uh, fluorextine, or fluoxetine, at levels, it's just a fluoride, that's what Prozac is, it's a fluoride molecule derivative, scientists have said on the show, at levels detected in average sewage treatment waste, and it goes on to say, Fluoxetine is the key ingredient in the drugs Prozac and Seraphim.

02:48:55.000 Shrimp normally gravitate towards safe, dark corners, but when exposed to the chemical, the shrimp were five times more likely to swim towards a bright region of water, the team discovered.

02:49:05.000 The behavior makes them much more likely to be eaten by a predator, such as a fish or a bird.

02:49:10.000 See, and this is what the public's like.

02:49:13.000 They're like zombies on fluoride, which is a similar molecule to this, And the Prozac people are on.

02:49:23.000 And that's why, when they started death education federally in public schools in 1991, even 2020, they report on this in 1994.

02:49:32.000 I covered, I have screenshots of it in Police State 2, The Takeover.

02:49:37.000 They go in and they say, we're going to teach you eighth-graders how to not commit suicide for a week-long class, and they show them videos of a girl strangling herself with her shoelaces.

02:49:47.000 And then the little girl takes her shoelaces off.

02:49:49.000 She's depressed.

02:49:50.000 She's got zits. 0.94

02:49:51.000 Her boyfriend broke up with her. 0.98

02:49:53.000 She's 12 years old.

02:49:54.000 She walks into the bathroom on the coat rack.

02:49:57.000 They're even removing the coat hangers in the bathrooms around the country.

02:50:03.000 You can search that term.

02:50:04.000 In fact, search schools removing Coat hangers from bathrooms because of suicide and they just thought they were taught how to do it and they just hang themselves and they're always on serotonin reuptake inhibitors.

02:50:18.000 They're highly suggestible.

02:50:20.000 You're like, why doesn't the public care?

02:50:22.000 Why aren't they involved?

02:50:23.000 Why don't they wake up?

02:50:24.000 Why don't they get angry about the banks looting us?

02:50:26.000 You're on fluoride.

02:50:28.000 It makes you docile.

02:50:29.000 It's the main ingredient in Prozac.

02:50:32.000 It makes the shrimp and the frogs and the fish do the same thing.

02:50:37.000 You're being chemically hit.

02:50:39.000 It's 100%.

02:50:41.000 Whether it's on purpose or not, and we know it's on purpose.

02:50:43.000 But whether it's on purpose or not, we know it's doing this.

02:50:47.000 Now, do you care about your family enough to wake up to it?

02:50:50.000 Well, you can't.

02:50:50.000 You're on fluoride.

02:50:52.000 The ingredient of Prozac.

02:50:54.000 So you can't.

02:50:55.000 You can't.

02:50:56.000 You've been chemically lobotomized.

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02:53:58.000 One more point on the shrimp.

02:54:06.000 They go on to report that it's concentrating not just in shrimp but other animals.

02:54:10.000 And then we are eating the shrimp and other fish.

02:54:14.000 We're at the top of the food chain.

02:54:15.000 So we take the Prozac.

02:54:17.000 It goes into the water.

02:54:17.000 It goes into other water supplies.

02:54:19.000 Humans drink it.

02:54:21.000 They're adding fluoride that has a similar effect.

02:54:23.000 It's the base chemical that they're making it out of.

02:54:26.000 Then that goes out to sea.

02:54:28.000 The shrimp then eat it.

02:54:29.000 We then eat the shrimp.

02:54:31.000 The fish eat the shrimp.

02:54:32.000 We eat the fish.

02:54:34.000 And we're at the top of the food chain, so we are just a toxic brew.

02:54:39.000 So there's that Prozac story.

02:54:42.000 In other news, I've got to move quick now.

02:54:48.000 H.R.

02:54:50.000 5741, National Compulsory Bill, we call it the Slave Bill, that's up at GCNlive.com.

02:54:56.000 Rob Dew just wrote this article.

02:54:58.000 GCNLive.com also on InfoWars.com.

02:55:02.000 HR 5741 bill now in committee.

02:55:06.000 And it's a National Mandatory Service Act, not just for the military, but to serve in other groups.

02:55:11.000 We also have the article about Rush Limbaugh.

02:55:13.000 It seems starting to wake up.

02:55:15.000 Clash of the Classes.

02:55:16.000 Does Rush Limbaugh finally get it?

02:55:18.000 That's also up at GCNLive.com.

02:55:22.000 And I'm trying to find my final news that I wanted to hit, which was so exciting.

02:55:29.000 Ah, here it is.

02:55:32.000 This is in the New York Times.

02:55:33.000 But they're horrified in this report.

02:55:36.000 They say cities and counties that own all this land?

02:55:40.000 They're going back to the Homestead Act of 1862 and selling state and county land and city land to citizens at low prices.

02:55:50.000 God forbid to raise money.

02:55:54.000 There are many states that upwards of 90 percent, like Nevada and Utah, are federal.

02:55:59.000 And then the rest of the land, most of it, is state.

02:56:02.000 And the feds have now created legislation to buy even more land up, instead of empowering our economy and having people become landowners.

02:56:12.000 But it says cities view homesteads as source of income.

02:56:16.000 It hardly sounds like a prudent scheme, but it's a bit of deja vu that is exactly what this small Nebraska city aims to do.

02:56:24.000 Oh, and it's terrible, you know, the city's hogging all this land that they got when they were incorporated through the Homestead Act that was meant to be for people to stake a claim to.

02:56:37.000 You're supposed to, all that federal and state land, you're supposed to get it.

02:56:41.000 It's supposed to be yours.

02:56:43.000 You're supposed to be able to get 40 acres of that.

02:56:46.000 No, no, no, no.

02:56:48.000 And then you can improve it and sell it.

02:56:50.000 So imagine the New York Times, these globalists that represent the trillionaires, the people that run the planet, they don't want you having a piece of state or federal property and paying for the stinking thing.

02:57:01.000 You're not even supposed to pay for it.

02:57:03.000 Supposed to pay a little filing fee for the claim office.

02:57:08.000 Oh, it makes me mad. 0.99

02:57:09.000 These people are so sick. 0.96

02:57:11.000 They want you bankrupt. 0.97

02:57:12.000 Here's another one.

02:57:13.000 Here's some more good news.

02:57:14.000 This is out of AP.

02:57:15.000 L.A.

02:57:16.000 suburb residents march over high city salaries.

02:57:19.000 Thousands of city employees, some of which are being paid $787,000 plus bonuses.

02:57:26.000 And the citizens point out they've raised taxes, the roads aren't being fixed, 40,000 of them live in poverty in the town.

02:57:35.000 in the suburb and they are angry and they want the mayor Oscar Hernandez and others to stop being paid so much money.

02:57:44.000 Absolutely.

02:57:45.000 Government paychecks are going up for the bureaucrats, going down for the people.

02:57:49.000 So, people are starting to really figure out who their enemies are.

02:57:53.000 Here's another report.

02:57:53.000 I see these every day.

02:57:54.000 City terminates all but two in police force.

02:57:59.000 Well, you know what?

02:58:00.000 It says the small Texas town Of Coffman County, the Combine City Council laid off their only deputies.

02:58:07.000 Well, there's already county police, county sheriffs.

02:58:09.000 You know, we don't need cops to just write us tickets and then let the illegal aliens go. 0.99

02:58:14.000 So another issue is we don't need all these cops.

02:58:16.000 But you notice, where do you always see the cops?

02:58:17.000 Where the money's at. 0.57

02:58:19.000 Because they're there sucking off everybody for the government. 0.69

02:58:21.000 They're tax collectors.

02:58:23.000 That doesn't mean we don't need some police.

02:58:25.000 More and more, they're just tax collectors.

02:58:28.000 So that was interesting and quite informative.

02:58:30.000 Jeb Bush is setting his sights on the White House.

02:58:33.000 Give me a break! 1.00

02:58:35.000 Great job, crew.

02:58:36.000 Stay with us.

02:58:36.000 InfoWars.com.

02:58:37.000 We'll be right back.

02:58:41.000 Thank you for listening to GCN.

Alex Jones Show - July 26, 2010

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