Alex Jones Show - 20141225_Thu_Alex

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00:00:21.000 Well, here we are.

00:00:23.000 Seems like 2014 just began and it's already December 25th.

00:00:26.000 2014, it's Christmas.

00:00:32.000 Yes, they've turned into a giant commercial event.

00:00:35.000 There's record numbers of suicides and car wrecks and DWIs on the state.

00:00:40.000 And it's not the traffic and the long lines that lead up to Christmas I like, but it is, it is the Christmas carols, it's the music of childhood, it's meeting with family.

00:00:51.000 I like Christmas overall.

00:00:54.000 And I really like the message of Christ that Christmas is connected to, and that's something that the system really tries to distract us from with fad-driven hoaxes like Santa Claus. 0.97

00:01:07.000 And I'm not against that jolly old elf, it's just that he's only been manufactured in the West in the last 80 years or so.

00:01:14.000 Sure, in the Netherlands and other areas Santa Claus was a jolly old guy, but you go back to the 1700s, Christmas was banned in England for a while because it was a day kind of like Devil's Night in Detroit to go out and burn down buildings and murder people.

00:01:31.000 And Santa Claus was a striped, shirted, Freddy Krueger type elf who was a patron saint of murdering gangs that were out looting and, as I said, raping and burning down buildings.

00:01:46.000 So Christmas is a lot of things to a lot of people.

00:01:50.000 But on this Christmas edition of the Global Transmission, I just want to say that I'm thankful for all the great listeners out there that put up with me.

00:01:59.000 I'm thankful for my great crew.

00:02:00.000 I'm thankful for my family.

00:02:02.000 I'm thankful for the Providence.

00:02:06.000 You know, God's good graces, some people call it luck, but I knock on wood and thank the good Lord above for all of the close calls I've had.

00:02:15.000 There's certainly an invisible hand of good working there to shepherd and protect so many of us.

00:02:22.000 I'm thankful for the amazing fact that I'm alive and conscious and that I can interface with all of you other conscious beings.

00:02:29.000 It's really amazing.

00:02:31.000 And I'm always humbled by the fact that I have an audience that tunes in on record levels even during days like Christmas when most radio shows have almost no listeners.

00:02:44.000 And it's because you're hardcore folks that care about humanity, care about defeating tyranny, you take it personal, you're involved, and you're the salt of the earth. 0.98

00:02:54.000 So, I get grumpy, I get irritable doing three, four hours of radio every day, and sometimes I'm a jerk.

00:02:58.000 But in my heart, I really love all of you, and I appreciate you and our guest sponsors, affiliates, really everyone that's made the InfoWar possible, and has seen through all of my foibles, all of my warts, all of my problems, and seen that kernel of greatness there that has helped grow the InfoWar so much.

00:03:18.000 Because Gandhi said that in each of us is the seed of the universe, and Just as I saw, and Paul Watson, and so many other great reporters I have, the seeds of greatness, you have seen that in me as well, and we see that back looking at each other.

00:03:32.000 I mean, Drudge Report has helped us to send hundreds and hundreds of millions of visitors over the years to InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:03:40.000 I'm thankful to that.

00:03:42.000 I'm thankful to other real media.

00:03:45.000 out there like World Net Daily and countless others and mainstream journalists as well.

00:03:48.000 You know, even Esquire last year did a profile, I guess this year, seems like last year, seems like starting 2015 and said, Alex Jones is really a pretty good guy.

00:03:57.000 And then they almost didn't publish it and put it at the back, the writer told me.

00:04:00.000 But they said, if we don't get a picture of you acting crazy, it really won't go in there.

00:04:05.000 They want to balance it.

00:04:07.000 It was like a famous documentary filmmaker made a big five-part documentary with me in it, Joe Belger, and when it went to Discovery Channel, they said it's too positive, make Alex look bad, and he refused, so they shelved the five million dollar project.

00:04:23.000 It was a million dollar budget per piece, and it would have gotten ratings for Discovery.

00:04:29.000 He's the guy that made some kind of monster You name it with Metallica, Brothers Keeper, just a really famous award-winning guy.

00:04:37.000 I think he won an Academy Award, it was a nomination.

00:04:40.000 I'm not bragging here, the point is that there have been so many people out there that resonate for justice and freedom.

00:04:46.000 I know you're out there.

00:04:47.000 We're brothers and sisters in arms together.

00:04:49.000 So Merry Christmas to all of you.

00:04:51.000 Even if you don't like Jesus or anything, you know it's a fun time of year and the lights are pretty.

00:04:56.000 So I love all of you and we'll see you obviously coming up live tomorrow.

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00:08:51.000 Smashing Pumpkins Nexus.com is the website.

00:09:00.000 SmashingPumpkinsNexus.com to find the new album that I just got in and can't wait to listen to the whole thing.

00:09:06.000 Monuments to an LG.

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00:09:10.000 Or elegy.

00:09:12.000 Tommy Lee, one of my favorite drummers, of course of Motley Crue fame, is doing drums on the album.

00:09:19.000 We're going to be playing part of some of the songs here today, but not in their entirety, because that'll send the computer bots crazy out there on different internet platforms.

00:09:29.000 Billy Corgan is our guest, or as I say it in Texas, drawl, where we butcher names, Billy Corgan!

00:09:36.000 Billy Corgan.

00:09:37.000 LeeAnn came here and said, you know, you're friends with him, you ought to pronounce his name right.

00:09:40.000 Billy Corgan.

00:09:42.000 And he's not in a hotel room, he's flown in and landed.

00:09:44.000 He is in the airport right now.

00:09:48.000 So I can't wait to have him back in studio next time he's in Austin.

00:09:52.000 He's a regular listener and he's just a great guy.

00:09:54.000 I learned that he was a listener through a man cow, a fellow friend.

00:09:58.000 And he's a really smart guy, one of the smartest people I've talked to, not just in music or entertainment, but period.

00:10:05.000 And Billy Corgan has actually taught me quite a bit about perspectives and how to see the world, and has helped me mature some.

00:10:13.000 And I think that's why, out of the blue...

00:10:17.000 For the last decade or so, you see just random hit pieces, even though there's no scandals, no dirt, nothing.

00:10:25.000 That's why you see Anderson Cooper, admittedly of the CIA, attacking him.

00:10:28.000 Now that's why you see MSNBC saying snippy things, Rolling Stone saying snippy things.

00:10:33.000 It's because he's outside of the system.

00:10:35.000 He didn't play ball with them.

00:10:37.000 He spoke out about the dumbing down of music with MTV and more, and they don't like smart people who have the power of reaching tens of millions who've sold 40 million albums, just like Dave Mustaine.

00:10:49.000 Their views may differ a little bit, but they agree on fighting Terry.

00:10:52.000 There's a global government.

00:10:53.000 There's social engineering.

00:10:54.000 Look at the demonization of him, because if you let one ant stand up, they might all stand up to quote, is it a bug's life?

00:11:02.000 This is what we're talking about here.

00:11:05.000 So he's joining us from the airport.

00:11:07.000 I'll look even to about 40 after, 45 after or so, so he can get on his next plane or get on down the road.

00:11:12.000 He was gonna be on with us yesterday, but I had a family emergency had to take care of.

00:11:17.000 Billy Corrigan, thank you so much for coming on with us.

00:11:20.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:11:21.000 Always a pleasure to talk to you.

00:11:22.000 You heard my intro there.

00:11:24.000 There's so much to get into.

00:11:25.000 Let's talk about Anderson Cooper first.

00:11:27.000 Not that he even matters, has almost no viewers, Dinosaur Media.

00:11:31.000 But at the same time, it's so clear that every time you've got an album about to come out, the hit pieces begin because they want to slap you down.

00:11:39.000 Yeah, well, it's pretty strange.

00:11:43.000 I don't know if your listeners know the context of this, but I did a cover for a charity called Awe Chicago.

00:11:49.000 It's a no-kill shelter model.

00:11:51.000 Very proud.

00:11:52.000 I've helped raise, along with my partner in the band Jeff, about a quarter million dollars for the charity.

00:11:57.000 One of my proudest things that I've ever done is being involved in animal rights issues.

00:12:02.000 And it was about six months ago.

00:12:04.000 You know, the image went viral.

00:12:05.000 It's me and my rescue cats on the cover of the magazine.

00:12:09.000 Never in a million years did I think I'd start getting attacked.

00:12:11.000 And out of nowhere, four or five months later, there I am being made fun of.

00:12:15.000 No context for the fact that it's a charity magazine.

00:12:18.000 Basically presented as if I've fallen so far off the celebrity radar that I'm reduced to doing a cat magazine.

00:12:24.000 Then ties it into kind of a where has he gone, whatever happened to him kind of thing, kind of mocking my participation in professional wrestling.

00:12:33.000 No mention of my new album, no mention of my successes, nothing.

00:12:37.000 It's as if I just disappeared off the celebrity map.

00:12:42.000 Very strange.

00:12:43.000 And I think he's probably been a bit shocked by the reaction because, A, I fought back, which you're not supposed to do.

00:12:48.000 You're supposed to take your licks and just put your tail between your legs because the mighty CNN has spoken.

00:12:54.000 And on top of that, now a lot of animal rights people raised up and started poking them in the eye because, you know, it's something that, you know, that's a demarcation line that should be left alone, people doing charity work.

00:13:05.000 It really is emblematic of the sickness of our culture.

00:13:09.000 And by the way, you don't brag about that a lot, but I've seen it.

00:13:12.000 You help a lot of charities out there, and you were helping save and rescue cats, raising and other, you know, tons of money, and, you know, really working in the community like I know you quietly do in and around Chicago, and then you're a bad guy.

00:13:24.000 No, it's because you are a good guy and are quietly out there working while doing other big things in media that they're scared of you.

00:13:31.000 It's because they know they don't control you, and you know what's going on.

00:13:37.000 Yeah, I think it is very interesting to see these kind of assassins come out of the woodwork.

00:13:42.000 This is probably the most well-received album I've had in about 20 years.

00:13:47.000 And I've been through a lot, you know, in my own way.

00:13:49.000 And, you know, I've shot myself in the foot like any good artist would.

00:13:52.000 But I've seemed to kind of dialed it back in.

00:13:55.000 The music business is coming up back around me.

00:13:58.000 And it's amazing that all of a sudden then you're, you know, then you're at a target because, you know, you have power, you've amassed power again.

00:14:05.000 It's the kind of power that's very threatening to those systems.

00:14:07.000 They do not want outliers.

00:14:08.000 They love Muppets.

00:14:10.000 They love people who toe the party line.

00:14:13.000 You know, and I think it's, you know, your audience doesn't need an education on this.

00:14:18.000 They're more aware than any audience in the world how these things work.

00:14:22.000 So we don't have to go on about it, but I mean, I think it's very obvious that, you know, here they come.

00:14:27.000 You know, I can, you know, the agendas start to poke out.

00:14:31.000 I just had an interview about a week ago.

00:14:33.000 A guy was asking me about Edward Snowden.

00:14:37.000 Here's the line of questioning, out of nowhere, in the middle of an interview about my new album.

00:14:42.000 Uh, do you believe Edward Stone was a hero?

00:14:44.000 Yes.

00:14:45.000 Because he did the right thing.

00:14:45.000 Why?

00:14:47.000 Next question.

00:14:48.000 Uh, would you do the same?

00:14:49.000 Okay, I told the guy to go, you know what himself.

00:14:52.000 I said, am I running for president?

00:14:54.000 I mean, what kind of, what kind of line of questioning is that?

00:14:57.000 I'm promoting an album.

00:14:59.000 Well, and the reason we raise it, I know my audience is very informed, it's that obviously you can speak here uncensored, they won't be able to filter it as much, and so you can speak directly to it because this is what happens to myself, to Ron Paul, to countless others that really try to shift the paradigm.

00:15:17.000 into really waking up to the larger control system is they put articles out constantly.

00:15:22.000 Alex Jones, you know, has no audience.

00:15:24.000 Alex Jones wishes he wasn't discredited.

00:15:27.000 Alex Jones is a racist with no proof but we know they're doing it because they want to assassinate the messenger.

00:15:36.000 But the good news is they've already assassinated their own credibility so they're shooting blanks and I don't think in their arrogance they figured that out yet, Billy.

00:15:47.000 No, I agree with you, but just to give you a little bit of context on the other side of it, right after the Anderson Cooper thing kind of went viral, I know you put a story on your site and I gave a quote for that, when that sort of kind of ticked back up into the mainstream consciousness, I probably did about ten interviews in the next couple days, and in seven of the ten interviews I was asked about the Anderson Cooper flap, and five of the seven people who interviewed me had no idea it was for a charity.

00:16:14.000 So that shows you that there is still a little effectiveness.

00:16:16.000 Oh, I agree.

00:16:17.000 Counting on that low information crowd that will be on the headline.

00:16:20.000 That's it.

00:16:21.000 They are targeting a low information crowd, but again, that crowd of zombies really don't even matter anymore.

00:16:27.000 I mean, I'm sad to say that it's like they're almost not even people.

00:16:30.000 They've decided to just mindlessly buy into this and this narcissistic, thin, mindless gruel that's being spewed out.

00:16:38.000 But speaking, speaking of Anderson Cooper, and we're going to get into your album that I do think is one of your best in a long time.

00:16:45.000 Speaking of Anderson Cooper, he really is a CIA guy.

00:16:48.000 He really was in the CIA, not just an intern.

00:16:51.000 He really is the grandson of one of the biggest dynasties in the country.

00:16:56.000 Or is it the Astors?

00:16:58.000 So, he's a little rich kid, given everything he's got, he's failed, he has some of the worst ratings on CNN.

00:17:05.000 So I would feel good, Billy, just to have this joke, this failure, that was given everything.

00:17:10.000 I mean, you came from nowhere, I came from nowhere.

00:17:12.000 He was given everything. 0.99

00:17:14.000 You know, I think what's interesting, to me, I try to stay out of the personal side of it, although I did say the other day I wasn't born with a silver spoon up my arse like he was. 0.98

00:17:29.000 I think it's very interesting that There is a level of arrogance here. 0.97

00:17:33.000 That crowd, whatever that crowd is, and I've hung with them, you know, I've been in those rooms and so have you.

00:17:38.000 I've been to those parties and so have you.

00:17:40.000 That crowd really thinks they can sort of flick us off the shoulder anytime they want.

00:17:44.000 And what they don't realize is that people like you and me are just symbols of a much greater conversation.

00:17:49.000 They don't understand that a vast part of our country is waking up.

00:17:54.000 Uh, is breaking this hypnosis, this grip of hypnosis, and they can't see it.

00:17:59.000 They literally can't see it.

00:18:00.000 They do not think, they literally think they can just double down, triple down on these narratives and these false paradigms and the public's just going to keep laughing them up.

00:18:08.000 Uh, and I think, uh, as we've seen from recent events, people are starting to sort of question that the narratives and, and, and you see the media, those old world medias doubling, triple, quadrupling down on false, uh, storylines because they literally don't have a B plan.

00:18:25.000 I agree with you, and just the beginning of the questioning is the beginning of the end, because as soon as you question, you're no longer only in that narrow, low-information media system.

00:18:35.000 You now discover the wider world.

00:18:37.000 You come out of Plato's cave, and it's game over.

00:18:40.000 That is such an incredibly exciting thing.

00:18:42.000 You know, I think one of your songs in the last album, or the album before, was about the world on fire, and the lyrics really spoke to this.

00:18:49.000 I remember we were talking like six years ago, and you were saying you can clearly see crisis after crisis coming, which is now here, but that out of that we really could see a new renaissance.

00:19:00.000 I think I get the sense from talking to my friends and family, and I'm sure many of your listeners, of course, which I'm one of, those conversations that we had around the dinner table seven years ago, which were really difficult conversations to have, and people would just throw their hands up and say, "You're crazy." which were really difficult conversations to have, and people would Now people are listening.

00:19:20.000 And just the fact that you're even able to sit at that table and have those conversations.

00:19:24.000 And be able to back it up with statistics and people, you know, the failure of this particular administration, the lying that goes on, and the fact that there's this greater divide between the public that's awake and the public that's asleep.

00:19:38.000 I mean, those that are asleep really must want to be asleep because, I mean, how could you not be?

00:19:44.000 Eyes open at this point.

00:19:45.000 That's right.

00:19:46.000 How could you not be eyes open at this point?

00:19:49.000 And his mother was a Vanderbilt, the heir of the entire Vanderbilt fortune.

00:19:52.000 Not a, not a, um, aster, but it doesn't matter.

00:19:56.000 They're interrelated.

00:19:57.000 And again, nothing wrong with being the last male heir of one of the biggest robber baron, horrible dynasties.

00:20:04.000 It's just give us a break, Anderson Cooper, because I don't even get into fighting with these personalities.

00:20:08.000 But at the same time, I think it's important to not just respond and say, Hey, I'm helping a cat charity.

00:20:13.000 Leave me alone.

00:20:14.000 Don't try to make me, you know, Look like it has been when I'm not.

00:20:17.000 Everybody knows that you've been popular all along and you've had big resurgences.

00:20:21.000 I mean, it's just a joke.

00:20:23.000 I mean, you've sold 40 million albums.

00:20:25.000 Anderson Cooper is on a failed network that's converting to cooking shows.

00:20:29.000 So I'm not being nasty.

00:20:31.000 It's just they are dancing on their own graves.

00:20:34.000 When you are just having the courage to express what's already there, and as you said, we're like little tips of icebergs sticking up, or little focal points, as Ron Paul always says.

00:20:43.000 I mean, we're nothing.

00:20:45.000 We are just like everybody else that is trying to find out what the hell is really going on.

00:20:51.000 I can't disagree with you, and I think there's a democratization there in the way that we're all communicating.

00:20:57.000 And, you know, thank God for people like you for building these new systems by which we're sharing information.

00:21:03.000 And, you know, we're building up our own networks of communication.

00:21:05.000 I mean, basically, I would argue we're past the tipping point, and now it's just how is this all going to play out?

00:21:12.000 And as you've been predicting for, I don't know, how many years?

00:21:15.000 Now we're seeing the rolling out of this next wave of control and propaganda.

00:21:21.000 But the fact of the matter is that everyone's so prepared.

00:21:24.000 And has been sort of mentally prepared for what's coming.

00:21:27.000 I just want to point out one small thing, because I think it's important in the context of the conversation we're having.

00:21:32.000 You know, when President Obama was elected, that night I went on stage and I knew, I was already listening to you, I was kind of like half awake, let's put it.

00:21:42.000 And I went on stage and I said, let's hope this isn't a sign that things are going to go in the right direction.

00:21:47.000 And you actually ran a piece, and we didn't know each other then, you did a piece kind of mocking me for being another celebrity sort of buying, drinking the Kool-Aid.

00:21:54.000 And I was thinking back to that time.

00:21:56.000 I wasn't offended by the piece.

00:21:58.000 I thought it was kind of funny.

00:21:59.000 But I remember thinking back to the time where I was in my own kind of awakening.

00:22:04.000 And, you know, we have to remember, those of us that are awake, there are so many people that are in that horrible moment of like, wow, if this stuff is true, what do I do?

00:22:13.000 And we see that more and more now.

00:22:15.000 You see people waking up and it's really shocking to them that they've been given a lie sort of all along.

00:22:21.000 And as you sit in bars and, you know, around coffee houses and talk to people about what's really going on, you can see that it's not so much that they don't know that something's happening, they just don't know what to do about it.

00:22:31.000 So we have to continue to prepare the way.

00:22:33.000 And, you know, this is not some begging appeal, you know, to be supported as an artist.

00:22:38.000 But what I would say to everybody is, is the artists in many ways are some of the most dangerous people in the world because we have that, we have that street credibility to go out and sing some gospel.

00:22:47.000 And that's what makes me dangerous, is once my career starts rolling in the right direction again, well here I come, because how is it possible?

00:22:54.000 I mean, they've tried to kill me how many times?

00:22:57.000 And Anderson Cooper is just a small example getting kicked in the shin.

00:23:01.000 And so it really helps, and I'm not begging for my own self, but please support artists, support free voices, support people like Alex to keep speaking out.

00:23:10.000 And it does require material support, like I'm a supporter of what you're doing with InfoWars Life, right?

00:23:17.000 Is that what it's called?

00:23:18.000 Absolutely.

00:23:18.000 Billy, I want to shift gears and talk about this more deeply because, and I use this analogy too much, I apologize, but it's so accurate, I use it.

00:23:27.000 20 years ago you couldn't find organic food anywhere.

00:23:29.000 It was very expensive if you could, because there was no market.

00:23:32.000 As people began to demand it, it grew the market, prices went down, it's now displacing all the garbage, it's displacing the high fructose corn syrup, they're taking it out of Hershey's.

00:23:41.000 We're taking it out of Hines.

00:23:43.000 Now look, there's still some fake organic, there's still problems.

00:23:47.000 The point is, we demanded quality, the market changed.

00:23:50.000 And exactly, if people go out and support independent artists that are speaking out against tyranny, that's great music as well, and buy your album at smashingpumpkinsnexus.com, and then play it for friends, and then ask that it be played on the radio, or share it with their friends, that's how you bring the system down.

00:24:10.000 You've got to go further and decide you want to promote cultures of liberty.

00:24:14.000 I can't tell you historically how many kings, how many corrupt dynasties were brought down by a jester telling jokes that became viral in ancient times or By the local band or even one guy with his, they didn't have guitars back then, you know, one guy with his little mandolin or whatever, singing songs about the corrupt nobility, that would change it.

00:24:39.000 So a song or an idea that isn't in the hands of the system could bring them down and that's why they target people like you.

00:24:49.000 Look, there was a reason the CIA was spying on John Lennon.

00:24:55.000 At that point in time, he was probably the most dangerous artist in the world.

00:25:01.000 Well, I can't speak to that, but I'll say this much.

00:25:05.000 If you look at the power that rock and roll had, In the 70s, vis-a-vis the power that rock and roll has now, I think there's been a concerted effort to drain those systems of their power.

00:25:17.000 Because it's just too radical, it's just too dangerous.

00:25:20.000 And when you have the power of a John Lennon or a Bob Marley, and they can literally have one song that will change the consciousness of the world, and get people to look at something different.

00:25:29.000 And I would point, and I'm saying this from a very specific point of view, Look at the lack of political music in the world right now and compare that to the 1960s.

00:25:39.000 It is unbelievable the lack of political and social discourse in music right now.

00:25:46.000 Do you think that's an accidental omission?

00:25:49.000 They came in and they took it over on record.

00:25:51.000 Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins fame is our guest.

00:25:54.000 SmashingPumpkinsNexus.com.

00:25:56.000 We're going to send out a tweet of the website right now.

00:25:59.000 We're going to post this video later today on Facebook and Twitter.

00:26:02.000 It needs to go viral because he has a lot of courage saying what he's saying because they really come after people.

00:26:07.000 I got to be very careful here what I'm going to say about John Lennon.

00:26:11.000 But they made a film six, seven years ago that won a bunch of awards that had the declassified documents where Strom Thurmond, the senator, and others said, we want him taken out.

00:26:20.000 We know the suspicious way he was killed.

00:26:22.000 I'm just going to stop right there.

00:26:26.000 I've talked to the highest level people and been told stuff about what really went on and then what happened to them afterwards and everything and I can tell you the FBI and the CIA killed John Lennon and then they went on a campaign to cover up what they did with their Patsy and so that's why when we talk about this folks it's very dangerous.

00:26:44.000 I mean so so we're not saying hey we're heroes here we're just saying realize this isn't just your regular you know shucking jive on CNN.

00:26:52.000 I mean we're really laying it out here.

00:26:56.000 I think what's kind of funny about modern life is I don't think they have to kill you anymore.

00:27:00.000 I think they just digitally kill you.

00:27:02.000 I mean, if anything, you're almost better as a sort of living effigy. 0.71

00:27:02.000 That's right. 0.71

00:27:07.000 Which is why I think some of these people come out of the woodwork to try to, like, split my throat.

00:27:11.000 I mean, criticize me as an artist, that's fine.

00:27:14.000 There's plenty to criticize.

00:27:15.000 But if you look at a lot of the subtext of the things that are written about an artist like me, it has a lot of, a lot of times, it's a lot of sort of false narratives, moral equivalencies that have nothing to do with music or art or love or people's lives.

00:27:30.000 You just said it.

00:27:31.000 They create straw men that aren't Alex Jones or Billy Corgan and then they attribute things we didn't say.

00:27:38.000 They have these campaigns.

00:27:39.000 They send out fake emails that aren't from me, insulting people.

00:27:42.000 They call people up and say it's me and insult them, famous people.

00:27:46.000 They spoof faxes.

00:27:48.000 And I know it's the government corporation, so believe me, what Billy's talking about, it goes on here all the time in an attempt to derail us, but it's not going to work because Billy Corgan and Alex Jones are just little bitty expressions like a compound eye of a dragonfly.

00:28:06.000 We're just one little tiny part of it.

00:28:07.000 You can't chop off all the heads.

00:28:10.000 Totally agree with you.

00:28:12.000 And one thing I would add to that, because I know sometimes when I talk like this to people, they think, well, are you saying that everyone who works at the local paper is... No.

00:28:19.000 It's these systems are put in place, and then they go out and they find people who are not free thinkers to basically implement the program.

00:28:28.000 They regurgitate the national story.

00:28:31.000 They're already the little sycophantic type that'll go with whatever the mindless pop culture narrative is.

00:28:37.000 Absolutely, and I've even had off-record conversations, like I know you have, where people have admitted to me where they've had stories squashed.

00:28:45.000 You know, somebody makes a juice call and makes sure a story is squashed or a particular agenda is promoted.

00:28:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:50.000 So, when you're looking at, you know, your local media and you go, well, this smells like propaganda, know that more than likely that person is not conscious.

00:29:00.000 They've been put in that position because they're a proven bootlicker.

00:29:05.000 Almost all local news is written in New York or L.A.

00:29:09.000 or D.C.

00:29:10.000 This is on record and packaged and sent.

00:29:12.000 You tell them a local story and then they send down what you say.

00:29:16.000 Or it's read off a teleprompter if it's a national story.

00:29:19.000 Right, so if there's a man in a high castle somewhere, you know, there's not a lot of them.

00:29:25.000 But they're able to, through their control and their media control, sort of manipulate the storyline.

00:29:30.000 We, look, your listers know, and I'm a lister, you know, we know.

00:29:35.000 These things are, I mean, we sit back, look, when Ferguson started to boil over and you had Jakari and You know, I was watching some of the coverage, and it's really interesting, you know, because, and it's so important that you do that, because you're giving us the real on-the-street perspective as opposed to the propaganda perspective.

00:29:54.000 Billy Corgan, stay there!

00:29:56.000 Come back and finish up with that thought.

00:29:57.000 Let's talk about the record.

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00:33:08.000 Waging war on corruption.

00:33:23.000 It's Alex Jones, coming to you live from the front lines of the InfoWars.

00:33:28.000 I don't mind what you're riding.

00:33:32.000 It's you and me, we're just something.

00:33:39.000 Don't just hang what you're riding on.

00:33:46.000 I don't mind yourself alone.

00:33:52.000 One and all.

00:33:53.000 We are.

00:33:55.000 I'm so young.

00:33:56.000 That's one and all.

00:33:58.000 You can hear Tommy Lee on the drums.

00:34:00.000 No, no.

00:34:01.000 The new album available right now at the SmashingPumpkinsNexus.com website.

00:34:07.000 We're going to send a tweet out to that website right now.

00:34:10.000 I want to see everybody go there and buy the album.

00:34:12.000 Because believe me, they have targeted Billy and his organization because of him speaking out on a whole bunch of issues.

00:34:18.000 They don't like what they call loose cannons.

00:34:21.000 They want people that will submit and go along with their whole agenda.

00:34:25.000 Billy, I want to thank you for the gift of my Bohemian Grove security shirt and real badge.

00:34:30.000 I mean, real shoulder patch.

00:34:34.000 When I wear that out, people say, who in the world do you work for?

00:34:37.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:34:40.000 I found that somewhere outside of San Francisco and it was like sitting on a shelf and I thought, oh my God, I got to get this for Alex.

00:34:48.000 That is awesome.

00:34:49.000 Billy, I want to get back into what you said about Ferguson and more on the album before you have to leave us in that airport you're sitting in right now.

00:34:56.000 But Tommy Lee, I had heard from folks that he was awake.

00:35:00.000 I had heard from somebody that worked with him on a TV show behind the scenes that he was all aware of the New World Order.

00:35:05.000 I know you don't want to speak for him personally, but can you repeat what you told me during the break?

00:35:10.000 No, Tommy's eyes are wide open.

00:35:12.000 And you talked a lot of artists off-record, and you and I have talked about that.

00:35:17.000 I think the general public would be shocked how much of the entertainment world is awake, and it's because they're behind the wizard's curtain.

00:35:25.000 Joe Perry's fully awake.

00:35:27.000 Joe Perry's fully awake.

00:35:28.000 I don't need to call him today, but a lot of folks are.

00:35:31.000 Go ahead.

00:35:33.000 Yeah, I think the difficulty is these paradigms have been set up where it's like, you know, you have to stare down the barrel of a particular gun, in this case, your career.

00:35:42.000 Like I said, I mean, what's the new paradigm?

00:35:43.000 You're going to get digitally assassinated, you know what I mean?

00:35:47.000 I know there would be some people, particularly in the rock and roll world, that would roll their eyes at these kind of assertions, but there's a reason that the great artists get marginalized.

00:35:56.000 They get sucked into things that have nothing to do with their music.

00:36:00.000 You know, literally everything I say now is trolled for quotes.

00:36:04.000 You know, and I'm not saying it's all political. 0.98

00:36:06.000 Some of it's just dumb stuff.

00:36:08.000 But the fact of the matter is this whole business has risen up around entertainment. 0.84

00:36:13.000 It's a big business.

00:36:14.000 But it ultimately is about the disenfranchising of the artist's vote in the culture.

00:36:19.000 In that sense, the constant message is artists' voices don't matter.

00:36:22.000 When you look at what a Jimi Hendrix represented as opposed to your normal average politician, okay, you tell me who's the more honorable person.

00:36:32.000 Well, it's obviously Jimi Hendrix following his soul, his heart, trailblazing, creating a heavy rock, heavy metal, and a true pioneer.

00:36:42.000 Right, and so that's what I'm trying to say, is from cradle to grave, you know, there are systems in place, you know, you pick them, you know, now it's Common Core, you know, the scholarship programs, all this, they're meant to take anybody who's too bright, too smart, and make sure they're corralled into a system from the get-go.

00:37:02.000 And God forbid you exist outside that system.

00:37:06.000 And Prosper, you and I have, and bless the Lord for the gifts He's given us.

00:37:10.000 And I think both of us, and I know we've talked about this, we feel a great responsibility to turn those gifts around to serve others.

00:37:17.000 And if it kills us, it kills us.

00:37:19.000 But at the end of the day, We've got to trust the man upstairs.

00:37:25.000 There's a greater purpose here at play.

00:37:29.000 What we watched on the old systems, the old mainstream media systems, if that's true, I don't want to live in that world anyway.

00:37:39.000 That's beautifully said.

00:37:40.000 I don't want to live in that world anyway, because it is a fraud.

00:37:43.000 It is a lie.

00:37:44.000 I feel so empowered.

00:37:45.000 Not that I have all the answers.

00:37:47.000 I make a lot of mistakes. 1.00

00:37:48.000 I say stupid stuff sometimes. 0.99

00:37:49.000 I mean, I hear my show rebroadcast and go, oh my God, that sounds horrible. 1.00

00:37:52.000 I don't mean that.

00:37:54.000 But at the same time, my heart's true.

00:37:56.000 I'm trying to tell the truth.

00:37:57.000 And more of what I say turns out to be accurate than what dinosaur media says.

00:38:02.000 And it resonates with people.

00:38:03.000 And then I just don't want to let them down.

00:38:05.000 It's humbling.

00:38:06.000 To know there's so many good people that are awake now and looking for me for leadership or whoever.

00:38:11.000 I don't think that's where the leadership is.

00:38:13.000 It's in our hearts, it's in our souls, it's in following our gut, it's in doing the right thing, and it's in doing the opposite of what mainstream dinosaur media says.

00:38:22.000 I want to ask you about this.

00:38:24.000 Where do you and your gut, Billy, as you said, the world's on fire, the previous album, where do you and your gut think civilization's really going?

00:38:31.000 Are we going to survive?

00:38:33.000 Will we make it to the next renaissance and beyond?

00:38:35.000 And what do you think that fight's going to look like?

00:38:39.000 You know, I hold my breath on that one.

00:38:42.000 You know, there's a big fight coming.

00:38:46.000 Uh, you know, it's one thing to listen to you talk about FEMA documents and, uh, you know, uh, executive orders that we don't know about.

00:38:53.000 And, uh, yesterday I think you had on your site about, uh, this idea that it's now legal to spy on everyone everywhere for the end of time and all this kind of stuff.

00:39:02.000 Um, you know, these systems are going to double and triple down, um, because, because they have no, uh, alternate plan.

00:39:08.000 Do you understand?

00:39:09.000 Uh, they've been in power for a very long time.

00:39:12.000 And, uh, whoever's pulling those levers, uh, is, is they're not, uh, they're not, you know, when a baseball team loses, they go, Oh, we'll come back next year.

00:39:20.000 We'll rebuild.

00:39:21.000 No, these guys are in it to win.

00:39:24.000 Um, and, uh, and you know, sometimes when I'm sitting around a table and, uh, and your name comes up, or I should say some things that I've learned through you and through other people, um, they get into like kind of games about accuracy.

00:39:35.000 Like, well, how can you know that that's true?

00:39:37.000 And all I gotta say again and again is like, look, come on, something's off here.

00:39:41.000 Something's wrong.

00:39:42.000 And people like you, people like me, we don't have to be accurate.

00:39:45.000 That's not our job.

00:39:46.000 Our job is not to be perfect.

00:39:48.000 We don't hold ourselves up to be perfect.

00:39:50.000 We don't hold ourselves up to be, you know, bookkeepers or tooth killers or something like that.

00:39:55.000 We're just pointing, as you often say, you know, you're just pointing and saying, do you see that big thing that's coming down the road?

00:40:00.000 I do.

00:40:01.000 And they say, well, what exactly is it?

00:40:01.000 Exactly.

00:40:03.000 How do we know your eyes are authorized to say that's a juggernaut with fire shooting out of it, out of Road Warrior?

00:40:09.000 And I'm like, well, I came by another village.

00:40:11.000 They said something that looked like that blew it up.

00:40:14.000 So that thing looks scary.

00:40:16.000 What are we going to do about it?

00:40:18.000 Yeah.

00:40:19.000 And again, I would recommend anybody the same thing.

00:40:22.000 We don't, we, I'm sorry, you know, the collective world, it's awake.

00:40:26.000 You know, it's extended even beyond your audience.

00:40:28.000 We don't have to be right.

00:40:30.000 We don't have to be accurate.

00:40:31.000 We know what wrong is.

00:40:33.000 We know what wrong is, and we know a lot of what's going on is wrong.

00:40:37.000 Well sure, they have this fake moral authority where accuracy in media, or where media matters, remember the White House, or where they have that truth detector site, or Snopes, run by a couple in an apartment.

00:40:52.000 They sit on the mountain and they say what reality is, and anybody that starts telling you they have a corner on reality, well that's who you really got to watch.

00:41:03.000 If we reach a point as a race where we do not grieve the loss of every child, I don't care what color, I don't care where they're from.

00:41:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:13.000 If we don't grieve the loss of every child, that's an indictment of us.

00:41:17.000 And we've got to be protesting for every child, every situation.

00:41:21.000 We need to have moral outrage where there's injustice everywhere.

00:41:27.000 And then when we see agendas at play, we have to step back and say, why is this more important than everything else?

00:41:33.000 We have to grieve for all of these things.

00:41:35.000 We have to grieve for the GMOs.

00:41:37.000 We have to grieve for the chemtrails. 0.99

00:41:38.000 We have to grieve for all this crap that we have to face down. 0.98

00:41:42.000 And we have to pull together. 0.99

00:41:43.000 That's what I mean.

00:41:44.000 We don't have to be right.

00:41:45.000 We don't have to be right.

00:41:46.000 We just have to know.

00:41:47.000 As long as we know that's the power.

00:41:50.000 And I'm blessed to be one voice in the wilderness, at least a free thinker.

00:41:57.000 There are times where it's very difficult in a musical life to struggle where, you know, the numbers don't add up and you don't get the advantage that you think you should get and all these things.

00:42:05.000 And those are those hard days where you've got to stare in the mirror and say, Would I rather be on my knees, subjugated to some system that would ask me to be a robot, muffin, something?

00:42:14.000 Or would I rather be a free thinker?

00:42:16.000 And that's what I would say.

00:42:17.000 I'm proud to be a free thinker.

00:42:18.000 And if that means what it means, you know, a half full haul somewhere, that's what it means.

00:42:23.000 Because I can't go down any other way.

00:42:25.000 Well, you know my favorite quote by Mark Twain.

00:42:28.000 He had a lot of great ones.

00:42:29.000 In the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated, feared, and scorned.

00:42:32.000 But in time, when his cause succeeds, the timid join him.

00:42:35.000 Then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

00:42:38.000 I was on over a hundred radio stations.

00:42:39.000 It was just unheard of when I was like, you know, 26, 27 years old and 9-11 happened.

00:42:47.000 And it was just unheard of.

00:42:49.000 And I was on 100 stations, small mom-and-pops, some of them, but high ratings, and I was growing, and then the towers got blown up, and I said, no, the government's clearly involved, and those stations all called, most of them.

00:43:00.000 They said, we're going to turn you off next week, or we're going to turn you off next month on the contracts, up using monthly contracts, if you don't stop it right now.

00:43:09.000 I didn't feel bad at all.

00:43:09.000 And you know what?

00:43:11.000 When Ted Anderson came in, he said, all these stations are turning you off.

00:43:14.000 You just lost 10 today.

00:43:16.000 They're warning you, you gotta stop now.

00:43:19.000 And I said, Ted, I just can't stop.

00:43:20.000 And it's the truth.

00:43:21.000 And he said, I really respect that.

00:43:23.000 Alex, he goes, fine.

00:43:24.000 You have a place here on the network.

00:43:27.000 We're going to lose, at the network at that time, millions of dollars over the years.

00:43:32.000 And back then, I was making hardly any money.

00:43:34.000 And he said, you would get that.

00:43:37.000 But he goes, I respect that.

00:43:39.000 And he goes, so I'll lose millions, you're going to lose millions.

00:43:41.000 Because I just hit the zeitgeist.

00:43:43.000 I had just gone from like 20 stations to over 100.

00:43:45.000 It was boom, spreading all over the country.

00:43:47.000 It was hardcore libertarian.

00:43:48.000 The right-wingers liked it.

00:43:49.000 But I came out and spoke bad about their god, George Bush.

00:43:53.000 And I didn't even say he did it all.

00:43:55.000 I just said, look, the government's running al-Qaeda.

00:43:57.000 They let them attack us bare minimum.

00:43:59.000 And I'm proud of that and it's just like I'm proud of what you've done, but then I only got bigger down the road, but then it only gets scarier because then it's not even about being on the air or being famous.

00:44:09.000 It is all about the struggle for reality and trying to find that truth.

00:44:13.000 I think that's what you're saying.

00:44:14.000 It's not that we're perfect or always right.

00:44:16.000 We want the truth and we have goodwill towards others.

00:44:19.000 I think we're talking about the philosophy of those of us that want to be free.

00:44:24.000 Well, I think it goes back to your question of what do I think is going to happen, and this is where it gets into a very tricky juncture.

00:44:32.000 We have to see what's happening, but at the same time we have to be able to kind of step back and look at the larger narrative at play.

00:44:40.000 If there are nefarious forces in the world, they are willing to use our humanity against us.

00:44:44.000 They are basically sociopathic.

00:44:46.000 They don't care that babies die somewhere in the middle of some desert. 0.98

00:44:51.000 They don't care, you know, that the kids are taking vaccines with the horrible things in them.

00:44:57.000 They don't care about the rise in autism rate.

00:44:59.000 They're willing to do whatever, however.

00:45:00.000 I mean, they've proven that again and again and again.

00:45:03.000 So this is where we cannot get sucked into these false moral arguments.

00:45:08.000 Those arguments are important.

00:45:10.000 You know, like in talking recently about some of the things that have gone on, the protests that are happening post Uh, is it Mr. Garner with the man's name that was choked?

00:45:19.000 Terrible.

00:45:19.000 Yes.

00:45:20.000 Uh, and then the horrible situation and then what obviously what happened in Ferguson.

00:45:24.000 And you know, you get these discussions, like I said, around the dinner table and people think that you're, uh, unsentimental or unfeeling and no, it's no, these are horrible.

00:45:32.000 Of course there's injustice, uh, in the inner cities.

00:45:35.000 Of course.

00:45:36.000 Uh, you know, does that mean every cop's the bad guy?

00:45:38.000 You say it all the time.

00:45:39.000 I know lots of great cops.

00:45:40.000 I know lots of great cops who are family people that would never do these things.

00:45:43.000 Does that mean every cop's good or bad?

00:45:45.000 No.

00:45:45.000 We have to judge every person on their moral character.

00:45:49.000 I'm, you know, somewhat friendly with the police chief of the Chicago Police Department, Gary McCarthy.

00:45:54.000 Incredible man.

00:45:56.000 I watch where he grieves over every situation because he's a man.

00:45:56.000 Incredible man.

00:46:03.000 He's a father.

00:46:03.000 He cares.

00:46:05.000 Just because he puts on the uniform doesn't mean he's a bad guy.

00:46:08.000 I mean, what about our soldiers?

00:46:10.000 Are all our soldiers bad?

00:46:11.000 Absolutely not.

00:46:12.000 This narrative that's spun out all of a sudden.

00:46:13.000 All of a sudden we've got to be afraid of the soldiers.

00:46:15.000 I'll take a soldier over anybody, any day.

00:46:18.000 Exactly, they've tried to dumb it down to the opposite of what Martin Luther King said, judge people on their deeds and what they stand for, what you just said, and then if you don't support all the rioting or whatever, you support the First Amendment but not rioting, then you're bad.

00:46:33.000 If you don't say kill the cops randomly, well I don't want to be killed randomly, I don't want to be... 0.98

00:46:38.000 I don't want to see blacks killed just because they're black or whites killed. 0.98

00:46:41.000 I mean, it just comes down to civilization and basic common sense. 0.99

00:46:45.000 Now, Billy, let's talk about your album.

00:46:48.000 We just downloaded it the other day from your site, SmashingPumpkinsNexus.com.

00:46:53.000 I can't wait to listen to the whole thing.

00:46:55.000 I'm not just saying this.

00:46:55.000 I love all your albums and I really love your old stuff.

00:46:58.000 This has a lot of the old sound, but even better lyrics.

00:47:01.000 I think this is almost like classic Smashing Pumpkins 2.0.

00:47:05.000 Everybody should go there.

00:47:07.000 How do people get the record?

00:47:09.000 You know, it's on all the typical Illuminati systems.

00:47:14.000 It's easy to find, that's not the issue.

00:47:16.000 But thank you so much for that.

00:47:18.000 Sure, I mean, it's in the stores, it's on CD, it's downloaded at iTunes.

00:47:22.000 Folks can go find those links at smashingpumpkinsnexus.com.

00:47:25.000 How do people support you?

00:47:26.000 I guess they come to the big shows, they spread the word.

00:47:29.000 I mean, how do they do that?

00:47:32.000 You know, that's a difficult one because there is the commerce, which is important.

00:47:39.000 But honestly, it's more the street caching.

00:47:42.000 And that's what I'm saying is, if not me, please find artists that you support, retweet them, share them with your friends.

00:47:49.000 The artists are the bulwark.

00:47:53.000 Uh, there's a reason most totalitarian regimes kill the artists second.

00:47:56.000 Of course.

00:47:57.000 They kill the weakest first and then they go after the strongest, which are the artists, because they are the X Factor.

00:48:03.000 They're the voice in the wilderness that can point out the obvious.

00:48:07.000 Like, hey, look at that over there.

00:48:09.000 You know, and they can do it in a very clever way.

00:48:12.000 You know, if Jesus spoke in parables, so can we.

00:48:14.000 And it's very powerful.

00:48:17.000 Music, as you know, penetrates like, you know, typical stuff, which is why I'm able to go to countries where people don't even speak English and play music and communicate.

00:48:25.000 It's music of the heart.

00:48:27.000 And I'm blessed to, you know, 25 plus years here and going still strong, stronger than ever.

00:48:32.000 Billy Corgan's our guest.

00:48:33.000 SmashingPumpkinsNexus.com.

00:48:35.000 Retweet that.

00:48:36.000 Put it on Facebook, folks.

00:48:38.000 The establishment's scared of him.

00:48:39.000 And anybody the system's scared of, you better know we need to get behind.

00:48:43.000 Because they promote terrorist groups.

00:48:45.000 They fund Al-Qaeda. 0.79

00:48:47.000 They fund all these radical groups.

00:48:49.000 They get caught funding the Klan. 0.99

00:48:50.000 They get caught funding radical racist black groups. 0.97

00:48:53.000 They want us all killing each other, just like one of the singers That you know he just mentioned from Jamaica said they want to see us go on killing one another top ranking And that's of course Bob Marley.

00:49:07.000 We're almost out of time I'm gonna let you go so you can get that plane or get on down the road Billy I hope you'll come down to Austin soon and come in studio Maybe I'll come up see you in Chicago, but I really know your interviews here resonate with everybody Again one more time the new album.

00:49:21.000 Tell us what the name of the album means monuments to an elegy.

00:49:25.000 What's that mean?

00:49:27.000 Oh, I don't know, Alex.

00:49:28.000 These things come out of my brain sideways.

00:49:31.000 I don't know.

00:49:32.000 Well, sounds cool.

00:49:33.000 I just wanted to do some inside baseball with that.

00:49:36.000 You know, to me, it's a bit of a kind of a wave goodbye to what people thought the band was.

00:49:40.000 And, you know, I'm just trying to move on into the future.

00:49:44.000 And, you know, thankfully, with people like you, new media like you, creating these new systems, I'm able to speak freely and speak to an audience and just, you know, try to find like-minded souls.

00:49:55.000 We have to build these new systems.

00:49:56.000 You are.

00:49:58.000 And I'm trying to do the same.

00:50:00.000 You know, we have to build, basically, systems that are stronger than these systems of propaganda and control.

00:50:05.000 And we will.

00:50:05.000 We will survive and we will succeed.

00:50:08.000 Well, it's happening and, you know, as you said, we need to support artists, whether it was in Nazi Germany or whether it was in any other totalitarian regime, Pol Pot, Kermit Rush, they would kill 95% of the artists, even ones that served them.

00:50:22.000 They didn't like having them around.

00:50:23.000 They were scared of them because that beauty, that Just God bless everyone.

00:50:26.000 Just keep fighting.

00:50:27.000 through art, through images, that communication of archetypes that artists have innately.

00:50:31.000 You don't even know what you're doing.

00:50:33.000 You just do it, and it reaches people.

00:50:34.000 They are scared of that, and that's what the tyrants are, is little men behind the curtain who want to run the whole show and really, I guess, don't feel loved or liked.

00:50:43.000 They feel rejected, so they want to dominate.

00:50:45.000 Billy, I'll say bye to you during the break.

00:50:47.000 22nd final comment.

00:50:48.000 Just God bless everyone.

00:50:51.000 Just keep fighting.

00:50:52.000 Keep the faith.

00:50:53.000 I got to say, the new album is amazing.

00:50:55.000 It sounds like old stuff you've done, but stuff I've never heard before.

00:50:58.000 I mean, as you said, you've gone to the next level with the new album and a Monument to Elegy available.

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00:54:13.000 Talks like an angel.

00:54:15.000 Walk like an angel.

00:54:18.000 Oh, it's walk.

00:54:19.000 Sorry, Elvis.

00:54:21.000 Talk like an angel.

00:54:23.000 But I got My son, Rex, just the other day was like, Dad, I like it when you sing that Elvis song.

00:54:42.000 It's pulling up on YouTube.

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00:54:45.000 I like Elvis.

00:54:49.000 Merry Christmas, Elvis.

00:54:50.000 She looks like an angel.

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00:54:58.000 Talks like an angel.

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00:55:13.000 You can hear Jim Morrison, Glenn Danzig, all of them copying Elvis. 0.97

00:55:16.000 Can't you hear it?

00:55:17.000 Doesn't matter, I love it!

00:55:22.000 Oh, let's stop it right there.

00:55:25.000 I get in a goofy mood sometimes.

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00:55:56.000 He actually didn't say that.

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00:55:58.000 Wonder if I get a plug.

00:55:59.000 I was not a plug.

00:56:01.000 I'm kind of babbling here at the end of the show mindlessly.

00:56:04.000 There's all this serious news, serious issues to cover.

00:56:08.000 I will be back this Sunday, Lord willing, live, 4 to 6 p.m.

00:56:12.000 Central Standard Time.

00:56:13.000 I want to thank David Knight for doing a great job yesterday with the transmission.

00:56:18.000 Again, we've had family illnesses, family stuff the last year.

00:56:22.000 When it rains, it pours.

00:56:23.000 And if I miss any days next week, I'm not on vacation.

00:56:28.000 I'm going to take off a few days around Christmas.

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01:00:33.000 We are now into the second hour.

01:00:45.000 William Benny is joining us coming up.

01:00:50.000 After the next break, former head of technology at the NSA.

01:00:57.000 He was one of the directors of the NSA, and we're going to really do something special here.

01:01:02.000 He doesn't do a lot of interviews, does like the London Guardian, things like that.

01:01:06.000 He's been on with the Yours Truly twice, I think David Knight two or three other times, and he's going to come on and give us the latest on the Panopticon spy grid.

01:01:17.000 He's going to come on and give us the latest on the police state, and we're going to open the phones up then at the bottom of the hour for your concise Focus please, question directly to the biggest NSA whistleblower out there, way beyond Snowden.

01:01:34.000 They tried to indict him, they tried to set him up, they tried to put him in jail.

01:01:38.000 They failed.

01:01:40.000 And he has a lot of courage.

01:01:41.000 William Binney, who has been called even by Nightline, the NSA's greatest codebreaker ever.

01:01:53.000 So he, you know, they've got movies out about breaking the German Enigma Code and stuff.

01:01:58.000 True stories.

01:02:01.000 This is one of those type of guys, okay?

01:02:03.000 I mean, this is the big brain guy.

01:02:06.000 And he's moral.

01:02:09.000 He's at the NSA.

01:02:10.000 He learns they're illegally spying on the citizens.

01:02:14.000 He resigns in 2002, shortly after 9-11.

01:02:20.000 Keeps his mouth shut about it.

01:02:22.000 Tries to work internally through the Congress.

01:02:25.000 Never happens.

01:02:26.000 Starts going public.

01:02:28.000 So this is a big deal.

01:02:30.000 I know it's not pearls before swine when we have folks of this magnitude on the broadcast.

01:02:38.000 This is a big, big deal.

01:02:40.000 And in fact, guys, I want to get into some other issues.

01:02:44.000 When you guys pulled me, I know it's somewhere in my stack, but I saw some more over the weekend.

01:02:50.000 Where Google, Facebook, and others are spying on the public for the government.

01:02:54.000 There was an article about the British NSA spying on just workers to stop workplace violence.

01:03:02.000 Oh, we've got to spy on you all without warrants and violate the law so we stop any violence.

01:03:08.000 See, oh, everyone must live in a glass house to stop the violence.

01:03:14.000 GCHQ to snoop through office emails.

01:03:19.000 And we'll go over all of this with William Benny coming up.

01:03:24.000 And then, after he's gone, we'll have open phones yet again.

01:03:29.000 And I want to ask the listeners, what do we do about the Republican Party and the former President Bush, one and two, 41 and 43, running around saying how much they love Bill running around saying how much they love Bill Clinton?

01:03:49.000 This blue-blood Rockefeller Republican traipsing arrogantly in our faces when there's a political realignment.

01:03:58.000 Can't we get rid of Jeb and Hillary in our political process? 1.00

01:04:01.000 Do we have to look at them forever?

01:04:04.000 Do we always have to have these people hanging on and now they've got their kids all getting ready to run for office or winning office?

01:04:12.000 Just dynasties? 0.93

01:04:14.000 That's what North Korea is, is an imperial, hermit, monarchy, with a toddling, soft, third-generation maggot, feeding on tens of millions of people, quite literally. 0.94

01:04:30.000 So disconnected from reality, thinks he's cool with Dennis Rodman visiting. 0.94

01:04:36.000 This is the madness of turning government over to centralized systems.

01:04:41.000 It is anathema to a free and open society.

01:04:46.000 Truly.

01:04:47.000 Truly.

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01:10:07.000 Crashing through the lies and disinformation.

01:10:11.000 It's Alex Jones.

01:10:12.000 You are either with the republic or against it.

01:10:16.000 William Benny, he's just four miles from Fort Meade, headquarters of the NSA, where he was the technical leader and director for intelligence with the NSA before becoming where he was the technical leader and director for intelligence with the NSA before becoming After more than 30 years with the agency, Benny...

01:10:40.000 It's been described as one of the most prolific and best analysts and codebreakers in NSA history.

01:10:46.000 Benny continues to speak out about the NSA's illegal data collection policies and continues interviews in the media regarding his experiences and communications intercepts by government agencies of American citizens.

01:10:58.000 In a legal case, Benny has testified in an affidavit that the NSA is in deliberate violation of the US Constitution.

01:11:06.000 ExposedFacts.org, Whistleblower.org, and he's part of the government accountability movement, and we really appreciate him spending so much time with us.

01:11:17.000 This is his, I guess, fifth visit with InfoWars, his third visit on this radio show.

01:11:24.000 Remember, they would always say the NSA was not spying on American citizens, and talking to a lot of other whistleblowers and people from Wayne Madsen right through, for all intents and purposes, that was the case.

01:11:36.000 Until 9-11.

01:11:40.000 And Benny's testified to that.

01:11:42.000 Now they're listening and watching and controlling and grabbing almost everything.

01:11:47.000 Now, it's totally illegal.

01:11:49.000 And it's being used politically.

01:11:50.000 They've been spying on Congress.

01:11:52.000 It's just over the top.

01:11:54.000 It's like living in a glass house.

01:11:56.000 But then, oh, the group's doing it.

01:11:58.000 They're totally secretive.

01:11:59.000 So you go to jail for espionage if you go spy on the CIA or NSA.

01:12:05.000 But if they do it, oh well, it's okay.

01:12:08.000 And I asked Mr. Binney what he wanted to get into first, and it's the fact that the courts have been rubber stamping this.

01:12:17.000 I mean, there won't even be a need for courts soon with all this.

01:12:21.000 And, you know, they've caught with parallel construction, these other agencies like the DEA, creating fake investigations to claim they got evidence one way when they got illegally another.

01:12:31.000 And then these agencies have all been caught planting evidence.

01:12:35.000 Physically at the crime lab, at the FBI.

01:12:37.000 We've had the former head of the crime lab on, Dr. Whitehurst, many times.

01:12:41.000 He's getting back on.

01:12:42.000 Hadn't been on in years.

01:12:44.000 Two digital fingerprints being planted.

01:12:49.000 So, this is a tool of total social control, in his words, in that London Guardian headline.

01:12:55.000 And William Binney joins us.

01:12:57.000 I want him to get into the biggest threats, the breaking news, how private industry is part of this, ways we can try to stop this.

01:13:04.000 And then I want to open the phones up, we'll give out a hashtag here in a few minutes, where you can tweet at RealAlexJones on Twitter.

01:13:11.000 And you can then send your questions in that I'll also read on air for William Benny.

01:13:17.000 But I'll give the number out coming up in about 20 minutes, and that's your chance, we'd love to hear from you, to call in with a quick question or comment for William Benny.

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01:13:29.000 Again, thank you so much, Mr. Benny, for coming on the show.

01:13:32.000 Thank you for having me.

01:13:34.000 You've got the floor.

01:13:35.000 Get into what's happening with these judges.

01:13:38.000 Well, see, it's basically a continuation of what's happened in the Supreme Court.

01:13:46.000 When the government gets boxed into a corner where they're threatened by the test of a constitutionality of any of the programs they're running, they lie to the courts.

01:13:54.000 And the courts are letting them get away with it. 0.63

01:13:56.000 For example, in Amnesty International v. Clapper, that case, that case was at the Supreme Court when the Solicitor General lied to the court saying that Well, if any NSA data was going to be used against an individual, either in court or anywhere else, that the individual would be told so that they could contest the, basically, it's the right to contest discovery that is of information that is libelous or otherwise criminal, implying criminal activity on the part of the individual.

01:14:27.000 So, but that was a lie.

01:14:28.000 Nobody had been told.

01:14:30.000 Even when we talked to the President's Civil Liberties Oversight Board, Several months ago, we talked about it and raised that issue, and they said, well, from now on, all the people where that data is being used will be told.

01:14:44.000 Well, I mean, that's right there.

01:14:46.000 I mean, and we still have no guarantee that anybody anywhere has ever been told.

01:14:51.000 And by the fact that they're giving us assurances, how can you trust them?

01:14:55.000 I mean, after what they've been doing, lying to us outright, how can you trust what they're saying?

01:15:01.000 You can't.

01:15:02.000 And so there's no real oversight in government.

01:15:05.000 There's no checks and balances anymore.

01:15:07.000 They don't work.

01:15:08.000 And that's the fundamental problem with our government.

01:15:13.000 Our whole process is failing us.

01:15:16.000 And the courts seem to be going along with it.

01:15:18.000 That is, if I were on the Supreme Court and the Solicitor General did that to me and I found out about it, the first thing I would do would be to reinstate that case back in the court.

01:15:28.000 I mean, after all, you don't permit perjury to let you get rid of a genuine concern of the public.

01:15:35.000 I mean, that's what they're doing.

01:15:36.000 They're allowing perjury by the government to determine what, in fact, is tested in the courts in terms of constitutionality.

01:15:47.000 In my book, that is what treason is all about.

01:15:52.000 You're fundamentally going after the foundations of this government and corrupting it.

01:15:56.000 That, to me, is real treason.

01:16:01.000 Well, it certainly is treason, and now, if they're able to do this, then the sky's the limit.

01:16:07.000 What comes next?

01:16:08.000 I mean, it's just a total overthrow of our system.

01:16:11.000 Please continue.

01:16:13.000 Well, I mean, that's the whole point.

01:16:15.000 It's a total destruction of any of the rights you thought you had under the Constitution.

01:16:21.000 I mean, it's simply a matter of we no longer have a constitution.

01:16:28.000 And that's the real problem that I see.

01:16:30.000 I think we need to stand up.

01:16:32.000 I mean, I can't understand why these judges on these courts can actually look themselves in the eye when they shave in the morning.

01:16:38.000 I mean, after all, they know what the law is.

01:16:41.000 They should know.

01:16:43.000 They know the Fourth Amendment says you don't have data.

01:16:45.000 The government doesn't have data on a U.S.

01:16:47.000 citizen unless You state the citizen's name, the data you're after, and also show probable cause of why you're going at it, and where you're going to get it.

01:16:56.000 Now, all that, none of that is happening with the hundreds of millions of U.S.

01:17:00.000 citizens that they're collecting data on.

01:17:02.000 None of that's happening.

01:17:03.000 Sure, and the argument is, well, we're doing this to stop bad guys.

01:17:07.000 But the truth is... Well, that's a lie, too.

01:17:08.000 Well, exactly.

01:17:09.000 They're using it to consolidate the takeover.

01:17:11.000 Well, from your expert view, what is it really being used for, sir?

01:17:15.000 Well, it's being used to set up the way and means to control the population.

01:17:22.000 I mean, I call NSA the central repository of knowledge on the U.S.

01:17:26.000 citizen and everybody else on the planet, by the way, for the U.S.

01:17:30.000 government, all departments of the U.S.

01:17:32.000 government.

01:17:32.000 So I've been referring to it as the new Stasi agency, because that's exactly what the Stasi did.

01:17:39.000 They had files on everyone.

01:17:42.000 And they wanted, and they had people spying on them right and left, you know, even your neighbors would spy on you.

01:17:46.000 Well, that's what's happening internally in NSA now.

01:17:48.000 They're talking about having people say, if you see something, say something.

01:17:52.000 That's the kind of thing they're talking about internally in NSA now.

01:17:56.000 Well, I mean, you know, that's, that's the Stasi in spades. 0.97

01:18:00.000 I mean, Tom Drake was over in Germany a year or two ago and he met up with an older couple, an older German couple, and they said to him, they said, well, you know, we, we the Germans, we are a post-fascist state and we know it.

01:18:19.000 But you, you are, you are in fact a pre-fascist state and don't even know that.

01:18:26.000 So, I mean, the point is we have to wake up here.

01:18:30.000 What do you do, though, when you're faced with true tyranny?

01:18:32.000 This is classical tyranny, not just with the warrantless, ubiquitous, omnipresent spy grid, but the fact that major corporations have lined up to seamlessly Trojan horse surveillance into every device, into our cars, tax by the miles coming out.

01:18:51.000 All the smart meters, spying, all the new appliances with the former CIA director bragging that your washing machine will listen to you.

01:18:59.000 This is already going on and it's becoming ubiquitous and then it's being used illegally and it's being used to rig markets, rig the stock market.

01:19:10.000 I mean this is really a 21st century takeover.

01:19:13.000 Yes, it is.

01:19:14.000 And that's something that we need to all stand up and object to.

01:19:18.000 I mean, if we don't, it's going to happen to us.

01:19:20.000 If you don't stand up, it's like the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

01:19:23.000 Well, if you don't become the squeaky wheel, you don't get satisfaction anywhere.

01:19:29.000 Certainly not in our, you can't really call what we have now a clear democracy, because after all, it's more like a police state.

01:19:38.000 William Benny, a former director and leader for intelligence with the NSA, joins us.

01:19:44.000 The biggest whistleblower in NSA history, hands down.

01:19:48.000 But he's just giving you the general view, none of the classified stuff here.

01:19:52.000 You know, they've tried to put him in jail.

01:19:53.000 We'll talk some about that.

01:19:55.000 We'll also get his view on what he thinks the culture's like inside these agencies that are illegally doing it.

01:20:01.000 What's the morale like at the NSA and beyond with William Benny?

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01:24:22.000 William Benning, former technical director of the National Security Agency.

01:24:30.000 Basically a number two, three, or four position, depending on how you look at it.

01:24:33.000 A major director of the NSA.

01:24:34.000 Here with us today.

01:24:36.000 Bye. Bye.

01:24:37.000 So there are good people from the system telling the truth.

01:24:40.000 In fact, there are so many.

01:24:42.000 But mainstream media tries to ignore them or vilify them or demonize them.

01:24:48.000 I want to talk about the morale at the NSA.

01:24:51.000 Listeners can tweet at hashtag NSA INSIDER.

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01:25:02.000 Those are coming up in the next segment.

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01:25:13.000 Your chance to talk to a very honorable person, in my view, who has a lot of courage and sacrificed their career to try to defend our republic.

01:25:22.000 And who worked at the NSA trying to defend us from foreign enemies, which is what it was set up for.

01:25:27.000 William, what about the morale at the NSA, from your view, and what about your former colleagues?

01:25:32.000 What are they saying to you?

01:25:34.000 A, and then B, tell folks a little bit about the persecution you've gone through, just to understand the level of tyranny we're dealing with.

01:25:43.000 Well, I think I don't talk directly to anybody that works at NSA still, simply because if I did, you know, I'm a target, I have been for quite a while, so they would of course be targeted by the FBI and interrogated by FBI and Internal Security at NSA, so I don't do that to them.

01:26:04.000 I know that they've instituted programs that get agency employees to spy on one another, which simply means that it's just like East Germany. 0.79

01:26:15.000 I mean, your neighbors are spying on you, and here it's your neighbors you're working with and trying to do the job.

01:26:21.000 That's a very hostile environment.

01:26:25.000 You're basically shaking the trust of individuals They're trying to do a job internally in the government.

01:26:31.000 I mean, that makes a very unhealthy atmosphere to work in.

01:26:38.000 I mean, that's simply unproductive education.

01:26:43.000 It destroys initiative and so on because nobody wants to do anything for fear that somebody will think it's something wrong and so they'll get informed on and be interrogated.

01:26:51.000 That's the way it was in East Germany.

01:26:53.000 That's why their whole society stagnated.

01:26:55.000 So that's a real counterproductive process for them to set up.

01:26:59.000 And I know internally that People from, who have retired from NSA, come through the retirement chain, we get the word back from them, saying basically that there's an awful lot of people there are kind of upset at what they're doing, at spying on domestically.

01:27:16.000 And so, but they're so afraid to do anything because they've looked at what they've done to us.

01:27:22.000 Which gets into your following point there.

01:27:25.000 They, in order to try to silence anybody from objecting internally in NSA, What they did was they threatened us with persecution and up to 35 years in jail, using the 1917 Espionage Act, which we at the time were simply, we were all staying at the point.

01:27:47.000 The only one who was outside the government complaining about it was Tom Drake, and he was talking to the Baltimore Sun, but he didn't release anything classified, and that was agreed to by the government in court.

01:28:00.000 So they were really coming after us just to shut us down from exposing the corruption, fraud, waste, abuse that was going on, as well as all of the unconstitutional activity.

01:28:13.000 And they used the FBI first to raid us and take all our property and threaten us with guns, some of us directly.

01:28:21.000 And the follow-on was the Department of Justice used all their power to try to indict us and put us in jail so that we would be out of sight and out of mind permanently, so to speak.

01:28:40.000 Literal political prisoners.

01:28:44.000 Describe, you talk about being raided at gunpoint.

01:28:47.000 What was that like?

01:28:49.000 Well, it's really strange to be coming out of your shower in the morning and have somebody pointing a gun at you, so you look at the end of a barrel of a pistol as you're coming out of the shower, having no idea why they're doing this to you.

01:29:05.000 I mean, after all, we were trying to work within the government all the way up to then, but they just didn't want us doing it.

01:29:10.000 That's all.

01:29:10.000 It was just too embarrassing.

01:29:12.000 They didn't want anybody in government to know what they were doing.

01:29:14.000 And that's important, too, because that gets back to checks and balances.

01:29:17.000 Now, if that's the case, how can any part of government check any other part of government?

01:29:23.000 That's right.

01:29:23.000 They can't.

01:29:24.000 You're doing your job as one of the top codebreakers in history, running the NSA.

01:29:29.000 You leave honorably, try to work to the government.

01:29:32.000 And then their answer is to send a SWAT team to your house to intimidate you.

01:29:36.000 If this isn't oppression, I don't know what is.

01:29:38.000 But the good news is, it's coming out.

01:29:41.000 William Benny's our guest.

01:29:43.000 Your questions from Twitter, at Real Alex Jones, and your phone calls.

01:29:47.000 Straight ahead, long segment coming up.

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01:33:35.000 When your crown king nothing, but it all crashes down, Historically, we know what happens time and time again.

01:33:46.000 Societies stagnate, the spy grids are used to start persecuting people, and the society devolves into something like North Korea. 0.85

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01:36:42.000 William Binning, I want to go to these calls.

01:36:44.000 I want to have you be able to speak to any topic you wish, but to imagine you with all these commendations and medals you have, you know, called by Nightline and other operations one of the most successful code breakers and scientists ever helping defend this country against the soviets and terror groups and many others what is it like when you got raided

01:37:09.000 go back to that and describe the persecution that goes on when you weren't even going public at that time to try to uh basically imply that you were a bad guy so they could disappear you down the road i I mean, if they can get William Benny, they can go after anybody.

01:37:26.000 And then I want to get your view on Snowden, and he says that a revelation's coming out that would bring down the political system.

01:37:35.000 Or he said, be careful, I have a revelation that would bring you down.

01:37:39.000 Well, what type of revelation could that be, William Benny?

01:37:46.000 Well, he may simply be talking about, like for example, CIA was spying on Feinstein's Intelligence Committee when they were preparing that report, again, on terror.

01:38:00.000 The report she's trying to get out here recently.

01:38:02.000 I think if they look a little closer, they'll find out that that spying is much more extensive than they even think.

01:38:08.000 So, in other words, I think if they look fairly closely, I mean, Russ Tice has said this for several years now, that they have been spying on senators, House of Representatives, judges of the Supreme Court, even in the White House, and also generals and other federal judges and so on.

01:38:28.000 So they're looking, they're spying, the spying network that we've created inside this country is actually spying on the leadership of this country, the ones that have power over them so that they know what their position is and can adjust accordingly, you know, and prepare for it.

01:38:42.000 So that's what they're doing.

01:38:43.000 I mean, they're spying on everybody, our leadership in this country as well as everybody else on the planet.

01:38:48.000 So this is an uncontrollable, these are uncontrollable agencies.

01:38:55.000 They have no way of verifying anything they're doing and they let them continue that way, when in fact they should all stand up.

01:39:03.000 The problem is, you don't know, and they don't know, the House of Representatives and Senators, they don't know what kind of evidence the intelligence community has accumulated about them and their activities.

01:39:15.000 Is it something like J. Edgar Hoover had over the entire Congress.

01:39:20.000 He used that power to... It was actually the power he had was that he may not have known anything about you, but you may think he did.

01:39:28.000 And that gave him power over you.

01:39:31.000 But he certainly knew a lot about the leadership in Washington. 0.92

01:39:35.000 Well, we also know those files were a form of internal governmental defamation and slander and libel because they were also filled with disinformation and garbage.

01:39:45.000 And that goes to my next question.

01:39:47.000 What about the problem of planted data through the system?

01:39:51.000 I mean, we know that goes on.

01:39:53.000 Well, I mean, yes.

01:39:56.000 That plus, in our case, at least in the cases that we had, we knew they were fabricating data.

01:40:03.000 And in Tom Drake's case, when they indicted him, the data that they had there was fabricated.

01:40:11.000 It was retroactively classified, and then he was charged for having classified material.

01:40:15.000 Well, I mean, that's like I mean, that's a felony, and these people should go to jail for that.

01:40:22.000 Even Thomas Tam, back in 2003, when he was the lawyer in the Department of Justice that was the source of the New York Times article on warrantless wiretapping, and his job at the Department of Justice was to prepare the warrant request for the FISA court, the secret court.

01:40:43.000 And so when he was going through that, he was discovering that they had wiretaps already on people that they hadn't gone through the FISA court to get.

01:40:50.000 Well, that by definition or by law at the time was a violation.

01:40:57.000 That was a federal felony.

01:40:58.000 In other words, if you didn't have a FISA-approved warrant to get a wiretap on a U.S.

01:41:03.000 citizen for the intelligence community, then you, in fact, were committing a federal felony.

01:41:10.000 And they were doing it by the thousands.

01:41:12.000 It never got in trouble.

01:41:13.000 It never got in trouble.

01:41:15.000 Wasn't that really part of a larger parallel construction where they only go get the warrant later once they want to go back and claim that they got the information with a warrant?

01:41:24.000 Yeah, that was all part of that and that had been going on since at least 2001.

01:41:28.000 Since after 9-11.

01:41:33.000 And Director Mueller of the FBI said they were using that program, Stellar Wind, which is the domestic spying program.

01:41:40.000 He said they were using it since 9-11 in 2001, which is October, which is when they created the name Stellar Wind.

01:41:49.000 William Binney, Top NSA Whistleblowers, our guest.

01:41:52.000 I mean, I'm just a layperson, but correct me if I'm wrong.

01:41:55.000 A, when you start snooping on everybody, you create giant troughs of information that could be stolen, hacked, or taken.

01:42:03.000 B, you're focusing on so much that you miss the real threats.

01:42:08.000 That are specific and can be tracked and focused in on.

01:42:11.000 So you blind yourself in a way having too much data.

01:42:14.000 It's like having a billion phone messages.

01:42:15.000 You can't listen to any of them basically.

01:42:18.000 And then C, and I think this is probably the most important, it creates a whole system of blackmail domestically and will convert you to a tyranny.

01:42:27.000 So it's like suicide.

01:42:29.000 I mean what did Congress think?

01:42:31.000 It's already come out for decades they use The NSA, the British NSA, GCHQ, to spy on Parliament.

01:42:40.000 And now they're using all this data on each other and it just, I mean, why would the political elite create such a thing and think that they could control it?

01:42:51.000 That's exactly right.

01:42:53.000 And the point is that what it means is you're giving all this knowledge and power to a set of individuals that aren't controlled.

01:43:00.000 And sooner or later, they use it.

01:43:02.000 I mean, that's just human nature to have that happen.

01:43:05.000 So, I mean, you know, it's only a matter of time, like you say, as to how long it's going to take them to take advantage of all the data they've gotten.

01:43:14.000 I mean, it's just a very bad situation and a very bad path that we've chosen to take here down the dark side with Dick Cheney.

01:43:23.000 Sometimes you gotta work on the dark side, to quote Dick Cheney.

01:43:26.000 Yeah.

01:43:27.000 In fact, guys, find that clip if you can.

01:43:29.000 Well, that's what's so crazy about this.

01:43:30.000 Information's power.

01:43:31.000 And they've taught so many people in public school and in colleges and TV that, oh, if you don't have anything to hide, don't worry about it.

01:43:37.000 Well, why not have a glass house?

01:43:39.000 Why not leave your codes to your computer out publicly?

01:43:42.000 No.

01:43:43.000 We all know that bad people will take advantage of that information.

01:43:46.000 Well, it's the same thing with government or corporations.

01:43:50.000 What about corporations?

01:43:51.000 I see them almost as a bigger threat now because they're all in a race with government to be the ultimate spy.

01:43:58.000 I mean, isn't Google really the ultimate spy in the final equation?

01:44:03.000 I think part of the problem with their mining of Gmail is getting close to what the government's doing, but they don't have the resources.

01:44:12.000 Part of the problem is that Google doesn't have all the data access that the NSA does, for example.

01:44:18.000 NSA can get into any business activity like banking or travel or anything like that, and Google doesn't really have access to all of that.

01:44:26.000 It also doesn't have access to all the emails.

01:44:28.000 They have a good number, but they don't have all of them.

01:44:32.000 And they don't also have the cooperation of other companies around the world and corporations to give them the wiretaps to get the transactional relationships between people.

01:44:44.000 Not all of it anyway.

01:44:45.000 I mean they certainly have a great deal of it but it's not to the degree that government is.

01:44:50.000 So government brings it all together and in the darkness binds it?

01:44:54.000 Right, right.

01:44:55.000 And the point is that Google and companies do not have the power that government does when it comes to arresting people or, you know, putting them in jail or fabricating evidence or framing them like they've tried to do to us.

01:45:09.000 So, I mean, there's quite a bit of difference between government and, at least in terms of power and capability.

01:45:20.000 I want to go to some phone calls for William Benny here and also go through this huge list of Twitter questions that we have.

01:45:27.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Joseph in Texas.

01:45:31.000 Joseph, you're on the air with William Benny.

01:45:35.000 Hi.

01:45:37.000 I wanted to call in and talk to you guys about, I'm a hairdresser in Dallas and I had a client for a little while this year who was, he was the VP for the manufacturer that created the MSA Center in Utah.

01:45:51.000 And, uh, he gave me a lot of, uh, you know, he told me as much as I guess he could about, uh, when they were building it and, um, about this data center.

01:45:59.000 And, uh, I also have another friend of mine who just recently met who's, uh, he works with AT&T on the neural networks collecting the data.

01:46:05.000 So, um, I wanted to ask some questions, uh, and just see if, you know, I could get an answer from him.

01:46:11.000 Um, I was basically told just, uh, that the, uh, the NSA data center, you know, that was, that, that, you know, they were spying on, You know, everything from our cell phones to our banks, everything, connecting it all.

01:46:24.000 You know, and after I heard that, I actually heard a documentary with, you know, from, it was like the Operation Stellar Wind documentary, and so I just wanted to hear about that.

01:46:36.000 Yeah, that's the whole point of why they had to build Bluffdale with all that storage.

01:46:41.000 I mean, it wasn't for metadata, it was for content of communications, you know, like all of your emails and phone conversation recordings and transcripts and things like that.

01:46:53.000 The point is, if you wanted to put together all of the relationships of everybody in the world on metadata relationships and build those kind of, what they're called, graphs, or simply social networks of everybody in every domain, phone calls, emails, banking, all of that, then you could do that and store it in a room 20 foot by 40 foot.

01:47:14.000 That's all it would take to store all the relationships in all the domains of everybody in the world.

01:47:20.000 So, and you could keep it there for, I mean, You know, 50 years, perhaps, something like that.

01:47:26.000 And so the real point was the hundreds of thousands of square feet of storage was needed for the content.

01:47:33.000 And that's where the bulk of data is.

01:47:34.000 That's where the bulk of information is.

01:47:36.000 And that's what it that's what takes an awful lot of storage up.

01:47:40.000 The rest of it doesn't take that much story.

01:47:43.000 That's right.

01:47:44.000 In Utah and Texas, that's a key point.

01:47:46.000 When they lie and say we're just keeping metadata, they consider everything to be metadata.

01:47:51.000 It's a lawyer's game they're playing.

01:47:53.000 Thank you, Joseph.

01:47:54.000 Let's go ahead and take another call.

01:47:56.000 Let's talk to Dominique in California.

01:47:58.000 You're on the air.

01:47:59.000 Hey there, William.

01:48:02.000 I got a question about who they're kind of watching now.

01:48:07.000 I videotaped a jet laying some geoengineering trails out the other day, and some webs started falling from the trail.

01:48:16.000 And I got it all on tape, and I got a lot of samples of these webs falling from the sky.

01:48:21.000 And my question is, are they monitoring geoengineering activists such as myself?

01:48:26.000 Because I've been telling a lot of people about this and trying to get the word out there.

01:48:31.000 I'm kind of getting a little worried.

01:48:32.000 Well, I don't think you heard him.

01:48:34.000 Everything's being recorded and monitored.

01:48:36.000 And now I don't think they mind that it's out as a chilling effect.

01:48:40.000 It's illegal what they're doing.

01:48:41.000 We need to stop it.

01:48:42.000 But it doesn't intimidate me and doesn't shut down my speech.

01:48:46.000 William Binney, do you have any information?

01:48:47.000 Thank you, Dominic.

01:48:48.000 Do you have any information on geoengineering, climate manipulation?

01:48:53.000 Well, I would think that that's one of the things.

01:48:55.000 They're certainly monitoring all kinds of research done around the world.

01:49:00.000 For example, one of the best ways to find out who's working on quantum computing Is to, for example, go to a quantum computing conference around the world and just go around and collect business cards.

01:49:14.000 And you find that that sets up a community and then you work the transactional relationships you're getting across the network to build their social network of who they're working with to work on quantum computing.

01:49:25.000 And I'm sure they would do the same thing for any kind of climate alterations and so on.

01:49:30.000 I mean, any kind of serious Thank you so much.

01:49:35.000 research that's going on that would have implications on a wider scale, they certainly would be monitoring just to watch to make sure they knew what was happening.

01:49:46.000 Thank you so much.

01:49:47.000 Let's go to Julio in Wyoming.

01:49:51.000 Merry Christmas to you all.

01:49:53.000 It's funny, Mr. Benny, you mentioned about collecting business cards and going to those conferences, that caller that mentioned geoengineering.

01:50:00.000 That's what I've done, Mr. Benny.

01:50:01.000 I've gone to these conferences, collected business cards, spoke to people in geoengineering, and I agree, people need to do that.

01:50:10.000 I want to mention this document briefly before I get to my question.

01:50:13.000 I think it's cute.

01:50:14.000 The NSA is trying to attract children through their Change the World program, which includes solving fun puzzles and exploring the world of cryptology.

01:50:26.000 I think that's kind of cute with the Change the World program.

01:50:29.000 You mentioned about blackmail.

01:50:31.000 You know, it's quite clear bureaucracies and totalitarian agencies like the NSA are using blackmail to their advantage.

01:50:42.000 My question is how deep does that rabbit hole go?

01:50:45.000 And I spoke to someone who's a contractor in Colorado Springs last week who told me there's a lot of movement from these types of agencies moving towards Colorado Springs and other parts of the world.

01:50:57.000 Sure, that's where the alternate government's based.

01:50:59.000 Thank you for the call.

01:51:00.000 That's a lot of questions there.

01:51:01.000 But blackmail, you already spoke to that, but what else can you tell us about blackmail, William Benning?

01:51:07.000 Well, the problem, of course, is that once you have all that data, that's the power that that data gives you.

01:51:12.000 I mean, if you have information like... Let me use an example.

01:51:16.000 I was on the Eliot Spitzer Show on Current TV when he was on the show there.

01:51:21.000 And, you know, he was, I mean, he never told me this, but I've been inferenced it to him.

01:51:27.000 I mean, he was after the bankers after the 2008 banking fiasco, and a lot of people lost a lot of money there, and that was because of fraudulent solicitations by the banks, passing around packaged mortgage groups and things like that, you know?

01:51:44.000 And so he was going after them criminally.

01:51:47.000 He was, I think, the governor of New York State at the time.

01:51:50.000 And as a part of that, why all of a sudden the FBI was going through all of his emails and my financial transactions and so on and they found where he was engaged with a prostitute and they used that to get rid of him.

01:52:09.000 So, the point is that the FBI didn't even show probable cause for why they were doing it.

01:52:14.000 The probable cause was they wanted him stopping, they didn't want him criminally prosecuting the bankers in Wall Street.

01:52:21.000 That's what the whole motive was.

01:52:24.000 And so, the people who did that, I mean, Muir was the director of FBI at the time, and Alexander was the director of NSA.

01:52:32.000 So the FBI went into the database of emails That Mueller testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee that he had access to.

01:52:41.000 Back in the 30th of March of 2011, he testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee that he had access to this database where he could make a query and get all past and all future emails as they came in on a person.

01:52:51.000 Well, I mean, when the FBI goes into all those back emails, I mean, looking at data, for example, against Petraeus, I mean, Elliot Spitzer to get rid of him.

01:53:01.000 Well, then they were the ones who helped the bankers out to keep them out of trouble.

01:53:07.000 So then you have Mueller and Alexander, after they retire, and they're selling their expertise in cybersecurity.

01:53:16.000 And who are they selling it to?

01:53:17.000 A rate of $600,000 a month or something like that.

01:53:20.000 Originally it started at a million, but now they're selling that to, I believe, the last I heard it was the bankers.

01:53:26.000 Well, you know, to me, when I took contract law into government, I mean, one of the first things you made sure you did not do was to give the appearance of a conflict of interest.

01:53:36.000 Now that sure smells like a conflict of interest.

01:53:38.000 Sure, you've got a select group of banks that control the Federal Reserve, that already issue and control the currency.

01:53:43.000 Now they're using the NSA that they helped government build to domestically target everybody, steal data, corner the markets, and just take everything over.

01:53:52.000 And get rid of people who are trying to hold you accountable.

01:53:56.000 It's a criminal takeover.

01:53:58.000 There's no debating it.

01:54:00.000 Ex-ZackTamount asks, that's his Twitter name, asks William Benny, what does Mr. Benny think about people waking up to spying but also the smart TVs that, for those who don't know, Samsung admits that they quote record what you say in your house and send it to third parties for quote marketing.

01:54:20.000 What do you think of just the main lining of total spying?

01:54:25.000 I mean, for me, that is an intrusion, an unauthorized intrusion, and it's a felony, and they should be charged criminally with it.

01:54:35.000 Kavik on Twitter asks, how closely does Canada's CSE work with the NSA, or is it more a data sharing agreement?

01:54:46.000 Actually, this has been documented.

01:54:48.000 It's in some of the documentation that Snowden has provided and has been published.

01:54:54.000 They are basically the... It's an outgrowth of the World War II effort of the English-speaking countries.

01:55:01.000 That's the UK, the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

01:55:06.000 Now, the U.S.

01:55:06.000 is called first party, and the other four are called second party.

01:55:10.000 That was the closest relationship in history in World War II.

01:55:13.000 They worked together jointly on breaking Enigma codes and also the Japanese Purple Code and the JN-25 Naval Code.

01:55:24.000 And those relationships only expanded from there, and the cooperation has been very close.

01:55:30.000 It's the closest cooperating group of countries in the world.

01:55:35.000 Mikhail Phelan, Infowars.com writer, at Mikhail Phelan on Twitter asks, others have mentioned power struggle between the NSA and other intel groups such as the CIA.

01:55:45.000 Can you expand on that?

01:55:48.000 Hashtag NSA Insider.

01:55:51.000 Yes, there always was.

01:55:52.000 I mean, even before 9-11, I mean, that was part of the, I think, the 9-11 Commission's report, was they need to work a little closer and be a little less rivalry, kind of.

01:56:02.000 Reduce the rivalry.

01:56:03.000 The point is that there are certain charters that these agencies have, like the CIA's to do HUMINT, the NSA's to do SIGINT, signals intelligence.

01:56:14.000 And they jealously guard their charters.

01:56:16.000 And if they come up with information in their areas, that's like knowledge they have that they can directly provide to senior leadership, the president, and so on for decision making.

01:56:26.000 So that gives them the sense that they have greater influence in the government and what it does and what the president would decide to do by being able to control or to have the most significant intelligence information to present.

01:56:44.000 So that creates a rivalry between the agencies and that's been going on for decades.

01:56:50.000 I mean, that's nothing new.

01:56:53.000 The CIA does it, the NSA does it, they all do it, to a certain degree.

01:56:58.000 And that was part of the problem at the 9-11 Commission.

01:57:03.000 That's certainly an issue.

01:57:06.000 A rivalry between these agencies is one that is a fundamental flaw that destroys some of the capabilities that they should have in terms of sharing knowledge so that everybody can be leveraging the same set of information.

01:57:22.000 William Benny, we have another question for you from Twitter.

01:57:26.000 F.W.

01:57:27.000 Partika asks, how would you change the NSA so it would be a positive department?

01:57:35.000 First of all, I mean, we submitted 21 recommendations to the President of the United States in January this year.

01:57:40.000 It's an open letter, it's on the web.

01:57:44.000 And those recommendations, the two primary points in those recommendations, one was to do To force NSA to make a directed selection of information on known targets and things in a zone of suspicion defined around it.

01:58:02.000 So that would mean that they would only pull in maybe, they would let 99.99999% of the data pass by and only pull out and store that data that was relevant to targets that they were after.

01:58:15.000 I'm going to blow up the Eiffel Tower.

01:58:18.000 That would be grabbed.

01:58:19.000 That would focus them in on their targets and that would make a rich environment for their analysts to succeed.

01:58:24.000 And we would actually be able to stop things like the Boston bombing or even 9-11.

01:58:30.000 I mean, they had all the data to stop 9-11, they just couldn't... William, you've been so gracious giving us 50-something minutes.

01:58:37.000 Let me talk to you during this break and see if you can stay a little bit longer to finish that statement and take a few more calls.

01:58:42.000 I don't want to put you on the spot, but can you stay with us?

01:58:44.000 Yeah, sure, I can.

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02:00:32.000 Also have to work sort of the dark side, if you will.

02:00:47.000 We've got to spend time in the shadows, in the intelligence world.

02:00:51.000 A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we're going to be successful.

02:01:01.000 That's the world these folks operate in.

02:01:05.000 So it's going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objectives.

02:01:11.000 And now Al Qaeda is bigger than it's ever been and it's renamed ISIS and our own government funded it and William Binney was beginning to get into 9-11 and I've had Colonel Schaefer on, I've had Seibel Edmonds on, I've had the translators, the colonels, I've had so many angles of this covering classified and unclassified information and leaked information that we know they knew about 9-11 and bare minimum stood down

02:01:40.000 Six of the ten commissioners have said that.

02:01:43.000 William Binney, without giving out any classified information, obviously, what can you tell us about 9-11?

02:01:50.000 Well, it's more like after we left NSA because of the domestic spying, Tom Drake, who was still there working, ran a program we were developing to On the entire database in NSA.

02:02:08.000 And he found all the data that was necessary to stop 9-11 in their databases prior to 9-11.

02:02:15.000 Which simply meant, very simply put, that they could easily have stopped 9-11 if they were doing smart things.

02:02:23.000 But what was driving them at the time?

02:02:25.000 Well, it was a matter of getting more and more money and building a bigger budget.

02:02:29.000 And that's really what their emphasis was on.

02:02:32.000 So they weren't trying to do smart things, they were trying to do things that would build their empire.

02:02:39.000 And that, to me, is why I keep saying every time I give a talk anywhere, I keep saying they traded the security of the people of the United States and of the world for money.

02:02:49.000 And I guess when you make

02:02:54.000 multi-million dollar purchases from big tech firms for their supercomputers and fiber-optic and cables and you end up getting nice president jobs a few years later with that revolving door it just turns into a giant boondoggle yeah that's that incestuous relationship that exists between government officials and private industry that close relationship building between them so that they can move from one

02:03:24.000 One senior executive job in government to a senior executive job in industry.

02:03:29.000 What do you think about moves to cut off electricity and the water supply in Utah to the data center?

02:03:36.000 Well, I mean, they could certainly try to do that, but I would think that they would call up the National Guard, nationalize things, and go in and make sure that they could continue to keep the power going.

02:03:50.000 To me, the more important way to attack this problem is to go after them legally by the voting and by getting rid of them and firing their worthless personages from Congress.

02:04:03.000 Well, you would think that they would be rolling this back with all the lies coming out and that they were deceptive and they're using it against Congress, but instead, like you said, they're just getting the courts lined up to legalize it.

02:04:14.000 Right, and they're feeling more confident because some of the judges are getting behind them and backing it.

02:04:20.000 And I think that's through fear as well.

02:04:23.000 You never know what kind of blackmail they have on those judges because of the collection of data they've got.

02:04:28.000 The word is, is that Justice Roberts was being blackmailed on the Obamacare situation.

02:04:34.000 Yeah, well that could be.

02:04:35.000 I mean, after all, he did change, he changed it from a penalty to a tax.

02:04:40.000 And that's changing the law.

02:04:42.000 And he should have thrown that back to Congress for the Congress to fix that, not the court.

02:04:46.000 Yeah, the fix is in.

02:04:49.000 Wow, final segment with William Benning.

02:04:51.000 A ton of Twitter questions and your calls.

02:04:54.000 Michael, Peter, Shane, Anthony, Jay.

02:04:56.000 Your calls straight ahead for William Benning.

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02:08:33.000 It's our final segment with top NSA whistleblower William Benning.

02:08:40.000 They tried to charge him, the SWAT team raided him, you name it.

02:08:43.000 When he was just trying to quietly, legally work through the federal government, ...and Congress to try to stop the illegal spying.

02:08:53.000 They instead tried to throw him in prison for it, and many others.

02:08:58.000 It's a testament that we've still got some justice in the court systems, but not much, that he and others have escaped prison.

02:09:04.000 Others haven't.

02:09:06.000 They've been trying to put journalists in jail that talk to somebody at the Defense Department at a press conference about North Korea.

02:09:14.000 And they say, well, we don't want you getting the opinion that we don't think or we do think they have nukes.

02:09:20.000 We're gonna arrest you.

02:09:23.000 I mean, this is really a major power grab.

02:09:26.000 And who would want to do this to our country?

02:09:28.000 Who would want to do this to our children? 0.75

02:09:31.000 Who really wants to do this?

02:09:35.000 They are using the NSA and other agencies to target the general public.

02:09:41.000 It's a weird feeling when I went to cover Bilderberg and they had plainclothes Marines threatening us, flipping us off, pulling dirty tricks on us, and it later came out and was confirmed that their diplomatic security corps was there.

02:09:55.000 They saw us as the enemy.

02:09:57.000 They had been trained, the Marines, officers, officers all, some of them like 45 years old, to harass peaceful journalists that they knew were peaceful.

02:10:11.000 This is the government we built and paid for being turned against us, and the press is being persecuted.

02:10:17.000 It's just, it's clear where this is going.

02:10:20.000 We're not troublemakers up here just, just to say, oh come on, it's all been proven.

02:10:26.000 William Benny, before we take some final calls, what do you think hurts the NSA most?

02:10:30.000 Because the fact that they lied and denied they were spying on citizens in non-terror related cases, and the fact that it's now come out, I mean, is that the biggest blow to the NSA?

02:10:41.000 And where do you think this fight's going?

02:10:44.000 Actually, I don't think... In the long run, I don't think it's been a blow to them.

02:10:48.000 I think they got it to the point where they simply don't care what the public thinks.

02:10:51.000 It's the arrogance of power.

02:10:53.000 Hubris.

02:10:54.000 Yeah.

02:10:55.000 And so I don't think they really care.

02:10:57.000 I mean, the one thing that could really hurt them is cutting their financial money.

02:11:01.000 Cutting the budget that they have.

02:11:03.000 That is the thing that would hurt them.

02:11:05.000 That's why they got so nervous about Representatives Amos and Conyers and their coalition group to unfund NSA last July.

02:11:13.000 I mean, I don't think I told you this on the programs before, but I was scheduled to brief that coalition prior to them voting on unfunding NSA.

02:11:28.000 And when they posted that on the congressional record that I was coming down there to testify to them, Uh, what happened was that President Obama called a meeting of all the members of the House, all the House Democratic members at the same time, so that basically killed that meeting.

02:11:47.000 And so that was delayed, but we never rescheduled, so they never got to, and then they had to vote on it, and they lost the vote because of lobbying by the President and also General Alexander, heavy lobbying to try to stop it, they lost by 12 votes.

02:12:01.000 But that was pretty good from a first, uh, from a first cut.

02:12:05.000 I mean, the basic motivation that started all this was the fact that they began to realize that they weren't being told the truth by the intelligence committees or by the agencies or by the White House, so that they were being lied to all along.

02:12:17.000 Because it's illegal.

02:12:18.000 Yes.

02:12:20.000 So simple.

02:12:21.000 Let's talk to Michael in Ohio.

02:12:25.000 You're on the air.

02:12:27.000 Hi, I think there might have been a mistake there.

02:12:29.000 I'm actually calling from FEMA Region 5, but I just kind of wanted to talk to Mr. Benny about what he thought about the racial divide that they're bringing up to kind of distract us from what's going on with the NSA.

02:12:40.000 That's a great point.

02:12:41.000 We're all having our rights to privacy taken, and meanwhile you think the only issue in the world is race.

02:12:47.000 William Benny?

02:12:49.000 It's a standard thing that a dictator does.

02:12:51.000 When you are having internal problems in your country, you create an external threat.

02:12:57.000 So in this case, what they're doing is creating other threats or other conflicts to deflect interest and focus away from core issues that are fundamental to everything we do.

02:13:09.000 Absolutely right about that.

02:13:11.000 Anything else, Michael?

02:13:13.000 Yeah, I think it's funny that the issues like Ebola and ISIS have also been kind of swept under the rug and no one wants to focus on that, but they sure want to focus on the race issue of what exactly what they want us to focus on. 0.54

02:13:24.000 Thank you, Michael.

02:13:26.000 Peter in Washington, you're on the air.

02:13:30.000 Yes, I have a question.

02:13:32.000 I know it's about before your time, but what do you think of Alan Dulles?

02:13:38.000 Do you know anything about or heard anything About him with regard to how, whether he was not so bad or really bad and so forth?

02:13:48.000 No, I didn't know anything about him or his, when he was in office.

02:13:54.000 I didn't, I wasn't aware of what he was doing, so.

02:13:57.000 Alright, Peter, appreciate your call.

02:13:58.000 And I never heard anything since then, so.

02:14:00.000 Let's talk to Anthony in Florida, you're on the air.

02:14:04.000 Hello?

02:14:04.000 Yes, go ahead.

02:14:07.000 I got a question for Mr. Benny.

02:14:09.000 Is it been possible, like for a long time, that the NSA has the capability and technology to actually watch, for example, somebody walking down a street?

02:14:24.000 You know, like, what do you call that?

02:14:28.000 Sir, let me tell you, since you're hesitating.

02:14:31.000 They have satellites with infrared and other things that can track people in real time.

02:14:35.000 They're tied into a lot of the cameras nationwide that have face scanning software on them.

02:14:39.000 That's all admitted.

02:14:40.000 They're getting ready to go to tax by the mile using these systems.

02:14:43.000 What is your specific question?

02:14:46.000 Oh, like the NSA for a long time has been Has it had the capability to actually see people even before the decades?

02:15:00.000 Wow.

02:15:01.000 That's amazing.

02:15:03.000 It certainly is.

02:15:04.000 Elaborate on that, Mr. Benning.

02:15:06.000 Well, I mean, it's like the overhead photography, that kind of thing.

02:15:11.000 You've seen those pictures.

02:15:12.000 I mean, you can see they've had that capability for decades.

02:15:15.000 I mean, that's how you watch things on the earth.

02:15:18.000 That's how the photo interpreters are at the National Photographic Centers.

02:15:27.000 It used to be called NPIC.

02:15:31.000 I can't remember what it was called right now.

02:15:34.000 But it is another agency that handles photography.

02:15:36.000 They've been doing that for decades.

02:15:38.000 Space Command and all of it.

02:15:39.000 But they couldn't see for two weeks Al-Qaeda, renamed ISIS, pouring in out of Syria in long convoys.

02:15:46.000 They couldn't stop that.

02:15:49.000 They'll go arrest some teenager on Twitter that makes a threat.

02:15:53.000 Don't worry.

02:15:54.000 Don't worry.

02:15:55.000 Did you see the case where supposedly the NSA called a high school to tell the school to start watching one of the kids?

02:16:02.000 No, I didn't.

02:16:05.000 You know, see this has been my major contention that the domestic spying, the reason they're doing it is not because of terrorism, it's because it's for law enforcement and internal security.

02:16:16.000 Domestic security, that's what they're doing it for.

02:16:19.000 That's the main, that gives them, see when they look around after 9-11 they have to look around for a A customer set.

02:16:27.000 What would be the biggest customer set they could go in for?

02:16:30.000 That would be law enforcement because it involves local law enforcement, state and federal law enforcement everywhere as well as all around the world with other law enforcement.

02:16:38.000 And then you set up threat fusion centers where you slowly see which cops will go along with illegal spying and then you recruit them in.

02:16:44.000 Last year I was at Barton Springs, a big public natural spring.

02:16:48.000 There were three cops, well three male cops and three female I think they were all police or in criminal justice.

02:16:57.000 They were all laying out talking about how they were going back to get more courses because two of them already worked at the NSA Center in San Antonio and all the rest of them wanted jobs there and how great it was and how powerful they were.

02:17:08.000 And that's what's crazy.

02:17:10.000 It's how these people just brag about what they're involved in and are just so undisciplined on top of it. 0.99

02:17:16.000 It's just really pathetic.

02:17:18.000 And then back last year in August, I think it was, Reuters published that article about parallel construction and they did an interview with one of the federal agents involved in looking at the NSA data and doing parallel constructions and things like that. 0.62

02:17:32.000 And he said, this is such a great program, I just hope we can keep it secret.

02:17:39.000 Yeah, that's our secret government in operation.

02:17:41.000 How about I come to their house and watch them in bed and read their email?

02:17:44.000 No, they'd all freak out. 0.98

02:17:45.000 These people are sick. 0.99

02:17:46.000 Something's wrong with them. 1.00

02:17:49.000 Unbelievable.

02:17:50.000 Let's talk to Shane in Michigan.

02:17:52.000 You're on the air.

02:17:52.000 Go ahead.

02:17:54.000 Mr. Binney, you mentioned that the NSA might come in with the National Guard to nationalize resources in Utah if that state turns off the water.

02:18:05.000 My question is, does this mean that the NSA is, in fact, reliant on resources that are provided at the state and local levels, and that if we can't get the Congress to do anything, this might be a last-ditch effort to put a chokehold on them and stop what they're doing?

02:18:21.000 Yeah, but I would not advocate that.

02:18:23.000 I mean, I would advocate hitting your state and local government employees and making sure that they stand up and resist this, and also hit all your people and representatives in Congress.

02:18:35.000 And then if they don't start going along, we need to have a unified effort to fire them, get rid of them. 0.79

02:18:40.000 That's right.

02:18:41.000 I mean, I'm not normally for just standard civil disobedience, and I agree with what Mr. Benny's saying in general, but the state Triggering a constitutional crisis, blocking water, cutting off electricity, force the National Guard in to restore the water and the power, to draw attention to it.

02:19:00.000 I think these are the type of stunts we need to start seeing be pulled.

02:19:03.000 I think the state government could do that, but I wouldn't advocate individuals taking action.

02:19:07.000 Oh, absolutely not.

02:19:08.000 No, no, no.

02:19:09.000 We don't want to be put on a terrorist list.

02:19:11.000 And they'll call it terrorism.

02:19:13.000 In fact, they might even bomb themselves to look like victims.

02:19:16.000 False flags.

02:19:17.000 The sky's the limit.

02:19:19.000 But this has gone too far.

02:19:20.000 It is time to have state governments peacefully start moving with injunctions and kind of like Texas is suing over Obamacare with 17 other states.

02:19:28.000 Yeah, right.

02:19:29.000 It's time to say no.

02:19:30.000 Or like I think we talked about in an earlier program that they could have a constitutional convention where the states would hold it and keep everybody in D.C.

02:19:39.000 out of it and then modify the constitution and operate from that.

02:19:42.000 Sure.

02:19:43.000 Is it fair to say we now have a rogue federal government?

02:19:47.000 Yes.

02:19:49.000 In my view, that's exactly what we have.

02:19:51.000 Yeah, it's like you come back from being on vacation, your employees have changed the locks, they're telling you that it's their business, their house, and they have no legal standing, but they got a bunch of guns.

02:20:01.000 And they're just staring at us, telling us we're terrorists, and then we don't confront them, we go home and try to figure out how to be peaceful, and then they send a SWAT team to our home and get us out of the shower.

02:20:01.000 Yep.

02:20:12.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:20:15.000 I mean, it's just, it's craziness.

02:20:15.000 That's what happened to you.

02:20:19.000 Now John Corzine and Goldman Sachs can take billions out of bank accounts and not give it back, and MF Global and nobody gets in trouble.

02:20:26.000 I mean, it's just, we're in trouble, people.

02:20:28.000 They are out of control.

02:20:30.000 And historically that means they'll just power grab and power grab until everything starts collapsing.

02:20:37.000 Jay in California, only got a few minutes left with our guest.

02:20:40.000 Jay, thanks for calling.

02:20:41.000 You're on the air with William Benning.

02:20:43.000 Yeah, I'll be real brief.

02:20:45.000 Mr. Benny, I just had to dish out a little bit of gratitude to yourself and obviously Alex Jones for bringing up this kind of stuff and this media operation for years and exposing kind of what's going on.

02:20:57.000 And now it seems that it's an agreement.

02:20:59.000 It's the consensus among the Republic.

02:21:01.000 among the public in this republic that were being spied on illegally, that these judges are being, you know, basically with inside baseball blackmailed and the changing laws and the rest of it.

02:21:14.000 And I was just curious what you would advise people, and I know I'm not asking just for myself.

02:21:24.000 I'm asking on behalf of others that I talk to that don't feel that this rogue government, and we can all agree it's a real government.

02:21:33.000 We don't believe it can be put back together.

02:21:35.000 The Humpty Dumpty is broken and can't be put back together again.

02:21:38.000 What would you say about that?

02:21:41.000 Well, I would say that there are ways, we have some ways to try to help save and salvage our country.

02:21:48.000 And one of the primary ways is to get active in politics and stand up and make sure you're, if you're going to elect somebody as a representative, that they stand up and defend the Constitution and the founding principles of this country.

02:22:01.000 That's something that the current crop of people we have down there in Washington aren't doing right now.

02:22:06.000 They're violating every way they possibly can.

02:22:09.000 And they're getting everybody they possibly can to support what they're doing and cover up for them.

02:22:13.000 That's right, they're circling the wagons to use The whistleblowers and the political awakening is a way to actually legitimize this giant usurpation of our basic freedoms.

02:22:24.000 And if we don't start backing them off at this point, the sky's the limit.

02:22:28.000 We've already basically reached the sky.

02:22:30.000 We're now going out into outer space.

02:22:31.000 A few final calls and we're going to let our gracious guests go.

02:22:35.000 Mike in Wyoming, you're on the air worldwide.

02:22:38.000 Hi, Mr. Penny.

02:22:39.000 My recollection is that Perry Truman That's correct.

02:22:43.000 NSA just with a stroke of his pen that Congress never actually created that agency by statute.

02:22:50.000 Why is it entitled to funding in the first place?

02:22:53.000 That's correct.

02:22:55.000 But the funding comes out of the Department of Defense.

02:22:58.000 So the Department of Defense slices out a set of funding for them specifically.

02:23:03.000 But it's under, since the FISA laws, they now have committees overseeing them and overseeing their budgets.

02:23:10.000 But those committees have been basically usurped and are basically advocates for these agencies.

02:23:16.000 And they tend to support them no matter what, which means that their committees get to manage larger budgets as the agencies themselves grow.

02:23:25.000 So, from their perspective, they look at that as a positive contribution, when in fact they should be standing up for our rights and stopping these people under the FISA law alone.

02:23:35.000 That was the reason the Church Committee said.

02:23:37.000 That's what the Church Committee came up with.

02:23:38.000 That's what they said, and this is how we're going to try to set up checks and balances.

02:23:42.000 Well, those checks and balances Over time, they've proven to just outright fail.

02:23:46.000 I mean, they're non-existent now.

02:23:48.000 I mean, the vice courts are rubber-stamped.

02:23:50.000 The intelligence committees are advocates for the agencies to do domestic spying, when in fact they were created.

02:23:57.000 Their founding principles for the creation of those were to prevent spying agencies in the United States from spying on United States citizens domestically.

02:24:08.000 And that, they've totally failed at.

02:24:11.000 It is a criminal big brother revolution by bureaucrats and corporate and government interest to openly execute fraud upon us until it becomes common law precedent.

02:24:24.000 And it is just over the top they're getting away with it.

02:24:26.000 Mike, anything else?

02:24:29.000 Thank you.

02:24:29.000 No, that's all.

02:24:30.000 Thank you very much.

02:24:31.000 Well, folks, we are basically out of time with our guest, William Benny.

02:24:38.000 We've got Chris, John, Truth Raider, Frank, and many others holding.

02:24:41.000 I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.

02:24:45.000 Mr. Benny, people constantly say, where are the whistleblowers?

02:24:48.000 Where are good people in government, good people in corporations?

02:24:51.000 Well, whether it's John Perkins, who was an economic hitman for big banks, or whether it's Colonel Schaeffer, or General Benton K. Parton, or countless other people, we have had on this broadcast, Tosh Plumley, Silica Steel, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.

02:25:08.000 Terry Reid.

02:25:09.000 It's gotta be over a thousand now.

02:25:11.000 Whistleblowers from state, federal, international level.

02:25:15.000 Wolfgang Wardog, the head of the EU vaccine program, admitting the vaccines are tainted.

02:25:20.000 I mean, the truth is, we actually have more people in major corporations and governments that do go public, and then the public doesn't get behind them, or listens to mainstream media demonizing them, to the point of now, Where they're arresting and persecuting the press, not just people that internally blew the whistle and gave up your career heading up a major agency.

02:25:42.000 I mean, it's just, I think it's the immorality and the laziness of the American people that at the end of the day is allowing this.

02:25:51.000 I don't think we are the progenitors of it, but we're the people that allow it.

02:25:56.000 And as Eric Hoffer said, propaganda does not deceive people, it merely helps them deceive themselves.

02:26:02.000 And men have to ask.

02:26:03.000 Do they really only want SportsCenter and fantasy football over a free country and a future?

02:26:09.000 Do women only want to go out and party and act like tarts? 1.00

02:26:13.000 Or do they want to have a future for their children?

02:26:15.000 Because we're going into bondage.

02:26:17.000 This is only the beginning.

02:26:18.000 We can see the fruits of this tyranny as our country and the world goes down the drain.

02:26:23.000 They've started a global spy race now.

02:26:26.000 So who knows what's going to come out of this.

02:26:28.000 It's destabilizing our world.

02:26:30.000 It's discrediting our country.

02:26:31.000 It's discrediting our tech companies because people don't want to do business with us.

02:26:34.000 I'm kind of ranting here at the end.

02:26:37.000 It's just why are we allowing this to happen?

02:26:40.000 It is so insane.

02:26:41.000 Final comment.

02:26:43.000 Well, yeah, you're pointing out the some of the some of the Some of the very short-sighted, finite thinking that people went through when they first decided to do these kinds of things.

02:26:53.000 And I start with Cheney and his dark side business.

02:26:56.000 Instead of focusing on doing the intelligence business and the military business in a focused, disciplined way, he went on a scatter approach.

02:27:07.000 Let's go after everything and do everything we possibly can to ensure we get information.

02:27:12.000 Well, I mean, it's been shown for a long time by any numbers of There's studies and examples, testimony from various people that torture doesn't work, and if you torture people, they'll tell you anything you want them to tell you.

02:27:24.000 And so what that means is you need to do a disciplined approach, and I think the FBI had at one point, anyway, they were thinking that torture was not the way to go either, and that there were other ways to get the information and get it reliably.

02:27:39.000 And certainly we knew from the Siggins business that that was true.

02:27:42.000 They went down a very bad path there.

02:27:45.000 They went down a very bad path everywhere.

02:27:47.000 I think the dark side is just the bad path.

02:27:49.000 That's all.

02:27:52.000 Well, sir, you are a modern hero.

02:27:55.000 You have gone through hell, lost your lucrative job, done so many other things to warn us.

02:28:01.000 You raised the alarm as a modern Paul Revere, and now it's up to us to try to carry the ball.

02:28:07.000 But I appreciate you working so hard and still going through the persecution.

02:28:11.000 I hope you write a book.

02:28:13.000 And now we know about all the illegal spying, which is, you know, write a book about your experiences.

02:28:17.000 They can't stop you from writing about the persecution you've gone through.

02:28:21.000 Really, you know, I see it as a...

02:28:25.000 Modern Jungle, just like the jungle exposed child labor and the Rockefeller factories, I think your book or another big whistleblower book, not so much getting into the spying even, but just the response to it could be made into a film, you name it, and things like that will turn around our society.

02:28:45.000 William Binney, thank you so much.

02:28:47.000 Thank you for having me.

02:28:48.000 Alright folks, there he goes, an amazing individual, and there's so many of them, and I'll tell you what's humbling about my broadcast.

02:28:55.000 I get to talk to people like that every day.

02:28:58.000 And I get to talk to you.

02:28:59.000 And sometimes I get frustrated, sometimes I get rude and mad.

02:29:02.000 It's because this is real for me.

02:29:04.000 I've been doing this for 20 years.

02:29:06.000 I know a lot.

02:29:07.000 And to look at one story, I make all these connections in my mind to other data.

02:29:11.000 It gives me a headache.

02:29:13.000 To look at one article gives me a headache.

02:29:15.000 Like this article.

02:29:16.000 UNICEF calls 2014 one of the worst years on record for the world.

02:29:20.000 New York Times.

02:29:23.000 Why does that give me a headache?

02:29:24.000 I'll tell you when we come back.

02:29:26.000 Why does it make me feel rage?

02:29:28.000 Why does it make me want to cry?

02:29:31.000 I'll tell you when we come back.

02:29:36.000 And we'll continue with your phone calls straight ahead as well.

02:29:39.000 Benny did an hour and a half with us.

02:29:41.000 I skipped two network breaks, you name it, because that was such important information.

02:29:45.000 And I hope when the video of this gets posted to InfoWars.com tomorrow, I hope it isn't pearls before swine.

02:29:51.000 I hope we get it out to everybody else because you are the resistance.

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02:33:36.000 It's Alex Jones In the heat of the night Hit us tonight.

02:33:46.000 Hey.

02:33:46.000 Jack.

02:33:48.000 UNICEF calls 2014 one of the worst years on record.

02:33:55.000 For world's children.

02:33:58.000 And they go through all over the world.

02:34:02.000 15 million children starve to death a year.

02:34:04.000 Another 20 million adults, they go through war.

02:34:07.000 230 million children live in countries and areas riven by armed conflicts.

02:34:15.000 And this is the UN.

02:34:18.000 That goes around sterilizing people, goes around engaging in massacres, goes around destabilizing.

02:34:24.000 But every time you're at the shopping mall or something, if a woman looks like she's a model, she's wearing a UNICEF shirt.

02:34:32.000 Because that's how, that's what models do. 1.00

02:34:35.000 Miss America, what do you want to do?

02:34:36.000 I want to help UNICEF help the children.

02:34:41.000 It's like give your money to the Red Cross and half of it goes to gun control basically.

02:34:44.000 I'm not against you if you ever helped the Red Cross.

02:34:48.000 What you did was good, but the organization itself is a globalist crime syndicate, in my opinion.

02:34:54.000 Same thing with United Way.

02:34:56.000 But the UN makes them all look like angels.

02:35:01.000 And it says they've been orphaned, kidnapped, tortured, recruited, raped, and even sold as slaves!

02:35:08.000 The same New York Times two years ago admitted that the U.N.

02:35:10.000 in the Congo was going in and killing whole villages of people that wouldn't leave their own ancestral land because they had promised it as a carbon sink under the U.N.

02:35:21.000 Oh, you can have mines over here for big corporations, but there has to be an offset now.

02:35:26.000 This land can't have people on it, so we're going to force you off. 0.84

02:35:29.000 I mean, I remember, it had to be like 1998.

02:35:33.000 If somebody's got National Geographics, you say, find it for me.

02:35:37.000 I was like 98 because I covered it on air a bunch, maybe 99.

02:35:40.000 It was articles about Burma and a couple of the places about UN buffer zones in those countries and it showed UN troops and it said they shoot anyone trying to come in, period.

02:35:55.000 And how they'd run people off their ancestral lands there.

02:35:58.000 I mean, I know that's on record, they did that.

02:35:59.000 The UN reportedly killed tens of thousands in Burma alone.

02:36:01.000 But there it was in an article about how good it was.

02:36:06.000 With liberals reading it.

02:36:10.000 So see, I see an article where the UN's trying to shave the kids again.

02:36:16.000 Remember, Prince Bernhardt founded the World Wildlife Fund.

02:36:21.000 The other cause-celeb thing of every young college girl. 0.98

02:36:26.000 He used it on record as a front, look it up, for running giant poaching operations in Africa. 0.82

02:36:34.000 You know how much you can get for all that ivory and stuff?

02:36:36.000 Especially in China where they grind it up and eat it as a medicinal?

02:36:40.000 For tiger claws and all the rest of it? 0.79

02:36:44.000 Last time I heard, I think a tiger claw is something like $5,000 a gram or something ridiculous.

02:36:52.000 The point is that It'd be like Count Dracula running a blood bank.

02:36:59.000 It's just the... The USO.

02:37:04.000 That's how you pronounce it, right?

02:37:07.000 What's the group they set up during World War II where the celebrities go play for the troops?

02:37:12.000 Great organization, does a lot of great stuff.

02:37:12.000 Yeah.

02:37:14.000 Bob Hope, whole nine yards.

02:37:17.000 Nothing against, you know, Entertainment for the Troops, or whatever.

02:37:20.000 But it was founded by George Herbert Walker Bush's dad, Prescott Bush, when he was about to be indicted by the McCormick-Dickstein Committee, basically, for being the main Nazi collaborator, so he comes out with a thing for the troops!

02:37:34.000 That's the thing about knowing history, is that it's so frustrating, you see one article like this, and then it makes you think of all the stuff they're doing, and it's always irritating to see the very people Involved in all this evil, posing as the good guys.

02:37:54.000 Here's another one on the New York Times.

02:37:57.000 Bush and CIA ex-officials rebut torture report.

02:38:01.000 The new Senate report that's a whitewash admits the torture.

02:38:05.000 The Democrats are just trying to score some political points.

02:38:09.000 That's why the CIA was spying on them illegally.

02:38:12.000 But it doesn't make Dianne Feinstein good that she's being spied on. 0.93

02:38:14.000 See, it's just a ship of rats fighting with each other.

02:38:18.000 But the issue here is, back when they thought they had America eating out of their hand, they admitted torture on television.

02:38:23.000 Why, Jack Bauer tortured every night on 24.

02:38:26.000 He was always right.

02:38:27.000 He was a good guy.

02:38:32.000 But they didn't torture somebody like, give us, you know, you capture a code, Expert who knows how the German code works show us how this machine works.

02:38:41.000 We're gonna start chopping your fingers off What really works is we're gonna hunt your kids down in Germany and kill them We've got hit teams inside your country right now If you don't tell us that's bad enough, but that would work sometimes in an absolute emergency situation Where you know what you're going after and I'm against torture, but the claims that torture doesn't work It's not really completely true.

02:39:06.000 What it really works for though is false confessions and to flip people over to be double agents and do whatever you want. 0.99

02:39:16.000 That's what torture is really all about.

02:39:18.000 And it's what tyrants do and upright countries don't do it. 0.97

02:39:21.000 George Washington, if he caught his troops torturing, Because the British troops would torture to get intel. 0.97

02:39:27.000 He would hang you. 0.98

02:39:28.000 Look it up. 0.99

02:39:29.000 And you know why he'd hang you?

02:39:31.000 Because he wanted the moral high ground. 1.00

02:39:33.000 If you got caught raping a woman, George Washington would hang you. 0.63

02:39:39.000 And foreign generals from Germany and others came over here and really admired the colonial army because it didn't engage in war crimes. 0.98

02:39:49.000 And everybody else did.

02:39:53.000 And that's one reason they ended up winning the public support and winning the war because there was a moral high ground that had to be attained.

02:40:02.000 George Washington wasn't a wimp because he didn't torture and he didn't rape and didn't loot.

02:40:07.000 He knew he had to have the moral high ground.

02:40:11.000 Now he did sit down every morning and sign death warrants on traitors that were working with the British who would be assassinated.

02:40:22.000 That's not torture. 0.99

02:40:26.000 So, that's the difference, ladies and gentlemen, and it's a guarantee that we're going to Hades in a handbasket with all the garbage that's going on.

02:40:39.000 And I've got three children, and I love them, and I want them to have a future with your children, and that's why we've got to turn this around.

02:40:50.000 Now, there's a story up on DrugsReport.com.

02:40:53.000 We also have it up on Infowars.com.

02:40:54.000 I'm going to tweet it out at RealAlexJones.

02:40:56.000 Ann Compton on Obama.

02:40:58.000 He launched profanity-laced tirades against the press.

02:41:01.000 According to ABC News journalist Ann Compton, Barack Obama launched a profanity-laced tirades against the press in an off-the-record meeting with reporters.

02:41:10.000 I've been watching Obama.

02:41:11.000 He used to seem real slick and happy and kind of bebopping as a narcissist.

02:41:16.000 He looks really upset now.

02:41:18.000 Now he has acid reflux and all that stuff.

02:41:20.000 In a C-SPAN interview, Compton also derided the president for leading the most opaque, that means hard to see through administration, of any I have covered.

02:41:30.000 And this is just the degeneration of government.

02:41:32.000 It's going to get worse and worse.

02:41:34.000 I don't like Obama.

02:41:35.000 But if it's not a crime he's committing, you don't bring up an off-the-record discussion. 0.99

02:41:37.000 See, these journalists are a pack of rats. 0.94

02:41:38.000 I've seen in the last year Obama really angry twice. 0.98

02:41:41.000 Both were off the record times.

02:41:43.000 I got a question.

02:41:44.000 What is she doing bringing up an off the record discussion? 0.58

02:41:47.000 I don't like Obama.

02:41:48.000 But if it's not a crime he's committing, you don't bring up an off the record discussion. 0.99

02:41:53.000 See, these journalists are a pack of rats. 0.99

02:41:56.000 They're just as bad or worse as Obama. 1.00

02:41:58.000 They go along with a sellout of the country.

02:42:01.000 And then when they retire, they dish dirt on people that gave them confidence.

02:42:05.000 Let's go ahead and play the clip.

02:42:06.000 Here it is.

02:42:07.000 I have seen, in the last year, Barack Obama really angry.

02:42:12.000 Twice.

02:42:13.000 Both were off the record.

02:42:14.000 times.

02:42:16.000 One, profanity-laced, where he thought the press was making too much of scandals that he didn't think were scandals.

02:42:24.000 Another, where he took us to task for not understanding the limits he has with foreign policy and the way he's dealing with the Middle East and Iraq and Afghanistan.

02:42:36.000 And I don't find him apologetic.

02:42:39.000 But I find him willing to stand up to the press and look them in the eye, even though it was off the record. 0.84

02:42:43.000 And just give us hell.

02:42:48.000 From his point of view, he may. 0.65

02:42:51.000 But we cover what we are allowed to cover.

02:42:54.000 And when policy decisions... And this is all about how the press is in a fight with him, and how she was there, and she's not going to let him bust her around.

02:43:04.000 All about her, her, her.

02:43:10.000 Do you understand, folks?

02:43:11.000 She was in an off-the-record meeting.

02:43:14.000 She's not a journalist.

02:43:16.000 See, I don't claim to be a journalist first and foremost, but if you're in an off-the-record discussion with me, it's that.

02:43:22.000 I don't even tell crew about it.

02:43:26.000 As soon as I'll have guests here in the break start telling me stuff off-the-record, I go, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:43:30.000 I go, I trust my crew, but this isn't really off-the-record.

02:43:33.000 You got a bunch of people listening to this.

02:43:36.000 And to watch them, all these swollen people, because they work for mainstream media, acting like, you know, they're sycophantic journalists and I'm not.

02:43:44.000 I'm a conspiracy theorist.

02:43:49.000 People like this woman couldn't get a William Benny on and have him say exactly right, precisely right. 0.99

02:43:55.000 You know why I'm precisely right about the NSA?

02:43:57.000 I've studied it for 20 years.

02:43:59.000 I've interviewed scores of whistleblowers. 0.98

02:44:02.000 And I'm just so sick of these sophistic, swollen, dishonorable pieces of trash up there about how they're a big journalist and they're on ABC News. 1.00

02:44:13.000 You're a joke! 0.99

02:44:18.000 Does she ever say in here why she's opening up about something that's off record? 0.96

02:44:26.000 Man, you know why I get mad by her?

02:44:27.000 I'm so sick of telling people something's off the record and then they go and blabber it everywhere.

02:44:32.000 Because a lot of times you'll tell somebody something off the record to help them, or to give them a little tidbit.

02:44:38.000 And in this dishonorable, unchivalrous society, people then take that as, ooh, I better spread this because it's really off the record.

02:44:44.000 Oh, I want to go back to your phone calls.

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02:48:29.000 Thanks for holding, Chris in Nevada.

02:48:32.000 Sorry you couldn't talk to Benny.

02:48:33.000 Go ahead.

02:48:35.000 Well, thank you so much, Alex.

02:48:37.000 What a powerful guest that was to have on your show on Infowars, Mr. William Benny, CIA.

02:48:44.000 NSA, yeah, but you're right.

02:48:46.000 Go ahead.

02:48:47.000 My apologies.

02:48:48.000 The point I wanted to ask, and I thought it would be appropriate for Mr. Binney, but I'm sure you will appreciate also, is the attorney's skill of the black arts word crafting.

02:48:59.000 They seem to want to deem to term this Warrantless data that they obtained without any probable cause for future pro se executions is data instead of warrantless evidence that's being gleaned for future pro se executions.

02:49:17.000 That's right.

02:49:17.000 They call it metadata when it's everything, including full recordings of everything, patently felonies, every one of them.

02:49:25.000 Well, and the prostitutes, of course, they like to tout these different things they've gotten from the torture projects. 1.00

02:49:33.000 But the truth is they provided no actionable intel.

02:49:37.000 Thank you.

02:49:39.000 Well, it's designed to actually make us blind from real threats, because the globalists run those, while spying on good people in government.

02:49:46.000 You heard him.

02:49:46.000 The main focus now is spying on good people.

02:49:50.000 Imagine William Benny is secretly testifying to Congress, trying to fix things internally, the former head of the NSA, and they SWAT team him at his house when he's in the shower in the morning to mess with him.

02:50:05.000 I mean, imagine being the FBI SWAT team.

02:50:09.000 I mean, he's ashamed of themselves.

02:50:10.000 Well, I mean, anybody knows the guy has no criminal record.

02:50:14.000 He's got all these medals.

02:50:15.000 You go knock at the door if you've got a search warrant.

02:50:17.000 And you come in and get the computers.

02:50:19.000 Even that is an abuse.

02:50:20.000 I mean, it's purely how out of control is the Justice Department and the Obama administration and all these agencies if they're arresting people like Drake and others?

02:50:31.000 I mean, it's not like there's Snowden who ran to Russia to release the info.

02:50:36.000 But see, what was Snowden supposed to do then?

02:50:38.000 If they're arresting people for nothing, then he did the right thing.

02:50:42.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

02:50:44.000 Well, I was just going to bring up the fact that Valerie Jenrette in the White House, who's never been vetted, is actually the Colonel Edwin Mandel House for this administration.

02:50:56.000 You're right, and that's another thing.

02:50:58.000 As long as you're with the system, you can leak intel everywhere, you can blabber. 0.96

02:51:01.000 It's just, this country's in danger just for the incompetence of these crooks. 0.72

02:51:07.000 I mean, it's just wild.

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02:54:23.000 I want to thank all of you out there that tuned in and spread the word about that transmission.

02:54:26.000 I want to try to take a few final phone calls right now.

02:54:30.000 Some of the headlines I didn't get to up on InfoWars.com.

02:54:34.000 Robber with toy gun shot by a pharmacist with real gun.

02:54:38.000 Don't bring a toy gun to a real gunfight, residents said.

02:54:41.000 And there's video, I can't breathe, Arizona cop attacks asthmatic teen.

02:54:46.000 Guess everybody's a UFC champ now.

02:54:50.000 Eric Garner's wife said she doesn't feel like it's a black and white thing, but basically a police brutality thing.

02:54:57.000 Author, America is careening towards civil war.

02:55:00.000 Paul Watson has an article.

02:55:03.000 That's just some of the reports coming out.

02:55:06.000 George W. Bush.

02:55:07.000 Hillary Clinton is my sister-in-law.

02:55:10.000 That's what's wrong with the Bushes right there.

02:55:13.000 Police Department mocks Garner with We Can't Breathe tweet.

02:55:16.000 Totally sick.

02:55:18.000 House chooses new Cold War with Russia. 0.56

02:55:20.000 Ron Paul calls it active war.

02:55:22.000 Some of the news up on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

02:55:30.000 Black teenager shoots newlywed soldier and executes his pregnant wife.

02:55:35.000 Race baiters are silent. 0.99

02:55:37.000 Yeah, so much of this crime going on, black on white, is the target of criminals who are having to be black as white because it's almost like that's an okay thing now. 0.99

02:55:48.000 Just like, I've used the analogy or historical example of people that would beat up gay folks and rob them saying, well, they're gay, they deserve it. 1.00

02:55:55.000 This is just sick. 0.99

02:55:57.000 Let's talk to John in California.

02:55:59.000 You're on the air.

02:56:00.000 Go ahead, John.

02:56:01.000 Yes, Alex, I want to make a correction.

02:56:04.000 The government is not rogue.

02:56:06.000 It is totally criminal.

02:56:08.000 And the only way to deal with criminals is by force.

02:56:11.000 Now, who is going to force them out, Alex?

02:56:13.000 Not us!

02:56:15.000 The U.S.

02:56:15.000 military must get involved and implement Operation Valkyrie because we're running out of time.

02:56:22.000 The ballot box doesn't work anymore.

02:56:24.000 It's broken.

02:56:25.000 Okay?

02:56:26.000 And if you are familiar with your history of Stauffenberg and the co-plotters, they had assembled a committee of German civilians to take over as soon as they got rid of Hitler and his henchmen.

02:56:38.000 This is what the U.S. 0.58

02:56:39.000 military can do.

02:56:40.000 We're running out of time.

02:56:41.000 They're going to start a war with Russia.

02:56:43.000 They're itching to do it.

02:56:45.000 We must reach out to the military and the Pentagon and have them remove the criminals.

02:56:51.000 Well, there'd have to be a larger discussion about constitutional convention, the states coming together.

02:56:57.000 The bankers, the globalists, the Federal Reserve have been so smart.

02:56:59.000 They've got all the pension funds invested in the derivatives.

02:57:02.000 They've got us so dependent.

02:57:04.000 It's like half our heart is cancer.

02:57:06.000 So if we cut the cancer out, it cuts half our ventricles out and we die.

02:57:11.000 So we've got to like find some way to reduce the tumor and then remove it in pieces or something.

02:57:19.000 Because I agree it's going to go towards heart attack and death anyways.

02:57:23.000 The tumor keeps growing, but if we chop it out at one time, it'll kill us as well.

02:57:29.000 You've got to first educate the public.

02:57:32.000 And you've got to support whistleblowers.

02:57:35.000 But I hear you, man.

02:57:36.000 It's serious.

02:57:36.000 I hear you.

02:57:38.000 But it's not just the U.S.

02:57:39.000 It's a global group of criminals that one major tentacle has grabbed us.

02:57:44.000 So see, that's the thing.

02:57:47.000 I mean, if the military took over and they convened the governors of the states to decide what to do, I mean, what would you do with Congress?

02:57:52.000 Congress won't even do its job.

02:57:54.000 They're all bought and paid for by the same people.

02:57:56.000 Well, then who decides who to remove and who to keep?

02:57:59.000 Usually, those type of things get worse, not better.

02:58:03.000 So, it's a very sophisticated problem.

02:58:05.000 I appreciate your call.

02:58:07.000 You know what?

02:58:08.000 I've got to end it here.

02:58:09.000 Frank and Chris.

02:58:12.000 Chris in Kentucky, real fast.

02:58:13.000 Go ahead.

02:58:14.000 Final caller.

02:58:15.000 Yeah, Alex, we just had an article in the Courier Journal about these, after all this Ferguson, New York City problems that we've been having, now the local police department here is all of a sudden going to get cameras on their chest.

02:58:26.000 My question about these things that I'm concerned about, this is all digital database.

02:58:31.000 Does that information go into those cameras?

02:58:34.000 Yes, they are going to basically keep all of it, and I'm not against it overall.

02:58:39.000 Problem is, cops just turn them off and say they malfunction when they feel like it.

02:58:43.000 So, you know, that's the problem.

02:58:45.000 And then pretty soon, do we have to have cameras on us to prove we're not bad?

02:58:51.000 This is GCN, the Genesis Communications Radio Network.

02:58:59.000 Another major health threat.

02:59:00.000 This one in Toledo, Ohio, where everybody in the entire city has been told not to drink the water.

02:59:05.000 Ohio's governor declaring a state of emergency.

02:59:08.000 Did you know that the average person uses about 80 to 100 gallons of water at home every single day?

02:59:15.000 If there's a water emergency, will you be prepared?

02:59:18.000 Panicked residents forming long lines throughout the day.

02:59:21.000 We're here at a supermarket in Toledo.

02:59:23.000 You can see the shelves empty where water once was.

02:59:26.000 To stay safe and healthy during a crisis, you must have access to safe, clean water.

02:59:31.000 Water which will not be available at your local grocery store.

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Alex Jones Show - December 25, 2014

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