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00:00:51.000 This is February the 19th, 2015.

00:00:55.000 And everybody is talking about the coming of artificial intelligence.

00:01:01.000 Is it going to be an existential threat to humanity?

00:01:04.000 Is it going to wipe out humanity?

00:01:06.000 Of course, we've had the utopian visions of Ray Kurzweil.

00:01:10.000 But we're going to be talking today to one of the pioneers of Artificial Intelligence, Dr. Hugo deGarris.

00:01:16.000 I would call his work that he put out about 10 years ago, The Artilect War, I would call it a seminal step in the discussion as to where we're going with Artificial Intelligence.

00:01:26.000 Of course, he believes that it's not only probable, but inevitable, that we are going to have super intelligent machines, that we begin it, that they finish it.

00:01:35.000 Think of Terminator, where the Skynet became self-aware, and then Malevolent.

00:01:41.000 He is definitely in the dystopian camp, as we have also seen with Elon Musk, with Stephen Hawkins.

00:01:47.000 Even Bill Gates came out and said he was concerned about it, even though Microsoft was saying, no, we're not concerned about it at all.

00:01:53.000 It's just fine.

00:01:54.000 And of course, Ray Kurzweil is working with Google.

00:01:56.000 They've been busy acquiring all of the key technologies, the key companies that are developing the technologies that would be used for artificial robots.

00:02:05.000 And I think even more troubling in the near term is a war between And over, not over artificial intelligence, whether it's going to be developed.

00:02:15.000 Of course, that's the central premise of Dr. DeGaris.

00:02:18.000 We're going to talk to him about that.

00:02:19.000 What concerns me so much is that it's going to be used by the elites, that it won't be necessarily a war over artificial intelligence, but a war using artificial intelligence.

00:02:28.000 And we keep seeing this come up over and over again throughout these DARPA projects.

00:02:33.000 So we're going to talk to him about what the state of the art is right now with artificial intelligence.

00:02:37.000 We're going to have him make his case for the inevitability of not only artificial intelligence, the Artilex as he calls them, but also of a conflict between what he calls two groups of humans, the Cosmos and the Terrans. 0.67

00:02:51.000 Not as terrorists, but people who are concerned about humanity, about the Earth, who want to somehow get control of this technology he believes is going to get out of control.

00:03:00.000 And I think one of the most interesting things about this Is what I would call the paradox that you see in his work.

00:03:06.000 He's drawn to do this even though he believes it's going to result in the extinction of humanity.

00:03:13.000 We're also going to be joined in the third hour by Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.

00:03:16.000 We'll talk to him about some breaking news stories.

00:03:19.000 There's a lot happening today.

00:03:21.000 We've got Obama's secret internet regulations are starting to get some Scrutiny.

00:03:26.000 Of course, everything that the government does is secret.

00:03:30.000 Whether it's Obamacare that we have to pass so we can find out what's in it.

00:03:34.000 Just like we see with the Transatlantic Partnership, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, being negotiated in secret by corporate lobbyists.

00:03:40.000 And of course, our representatives, our senators, our congressmen are not allowed to see what that is.

00:03:46.000 It's going to be rushed through with a fast track.

00:03:49.000 They'll be presented with a large bill, just as they were with Obamacare.

00:03:52.000 No time to read it, not allowed to change it.

00:03:55.000 We're seeing that that is happening now with the bureaucracy within our own country, with the FCC.

00:04:00.000 The FEC is also talking about making new vast regulations that are going to regulate content of political speech.

00:04:08.000 I guess we're going to have mandatory vaccines where we have to take the vaccines before we can find out what's in them as well.

00:04:12.000 There's nothing but contempt from the elites in terms of what we should know about what's going on.

00:04:18.000 And of course, there's not only DARPA, but there's also an agency called IARPA, the Intelligence Advanced Research Project.

00:04:28.000 And they're busy working on predictions in terms of using artificial intelligence, as we talk about it, in the broader sense.

00:04:35.000 Using that to predict societal trends, to predict possible conflicts, civil war, disease outbreaks.

00:04:41.000 This is what they're doing.

00:04:42.000 They're wargaming the future.

00:04:44.000 They're looking at the possibilities.

00:04:46.000 That's what we're going to do today with Hugo de Guerra.

00:04:48.000 If they're wargaming this, don't you think you should be concerned about what's going to happen in the future?

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00:08:10.000 The End Crashing through the lies and disinformation.

00:08:24.000 It's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:29.000 It is Thursday, February 19, 2008.

00:08:37.000 I'm your host Alex Jones.

00:08:40.000 We're about to go live to David Knight at the Infowars.com News Center in Austin.

00:08:44.000 I'm finishing up some family illness issues that should be complete in the next few days.

00:08:51.000 There is so much happening in the world right now that it's mind-blowing.

00:08:57.000 That's why you're all tuning in.

00:08:58.000 That's why I'm here.

00:09:01.000 It's incredible.

00:09:02.000 We've got a guest coming up later in the broadcast who's one of the world experts on AI and who is predicting there will be a war between artificial intelligence and humans.

00:09:12.000 And that's what the Pentagon and many other experts believe.

00:09:14.000 So they're racing to build the AI first, hoping that they'll control it.

00:09:19.000 We're living in 2015.

00:09:21.000 DARPA's coming out saying, yes, people will have brain chips.

00:09:24.000 Yes, we will merge with machines by 2030.

00:09:27.000 Notice they were saying 2045.

00:09:28.000 Now they're saying 2030.

00:09:30.000 Next they'll say 2020.

00:09:32.000 Everything's being compressed.

00:09:33.000 Everything's being accelerated.

00:09:35.000 And David Dyke has done a lot of research on this, so coming up, you'll definitely want to get that whole analysis.

00:09:42.000 Also, if you visit InfoWars.com, you notice that Italy is having to put troops on the street.

00:09:47.000 Kurt Nimmo has an article about that, because ISIS now says they're going to flood Europe with 500,000 immigrants as psychological operation.

00:09:56.000 Now when you pull back and realize this is Saudi Arabia doing this and working with Obama and the globalists, it is a psychological operation to create the clash of civilizations.

00:10:05.000 Then radical Islam has given the whole Middle East, Africa, and much of Asia. 0.98

00:10:08.000 The globalists are able to turn us into a police state in the bargain that Saudi Arabia carries out to launch more terror attacks here in America, just like the 28 pages of the secret report now proves. 0.70

00:10:20.000 That Saudi Arabia was quarterbacking the 9-11 attacks. 0.92

00:10:24.000 So we see all this coming into view.

00:10:25.000 We see Obama with the summit.

00:10:28.000 He's openly saying that this is all about extremists, period, and he won't even call Islamicist radicals extremists. 0.99

00:10:36.000 Now, I don't want to kill the Muslims. 0.99

00:10:38.000 I have a lot of friends from college and high school that are Muslims and are nice, hard-working entrepreneurs and good people. 0.92

00:10:43.000 And so the cliché that all the Muslims want to blow us up, I don't agree with that.

00:10:47.000 I'm not Islamophobic, but I am radical Islamophobic, and that is becoming the dominant form of Islam by the sword it is taking over, just as Saudi Arabia took over from 1901 to 1932. 1.00

00:10:59.000 They had 200 square miles, and 30 years later, they had Syria, Saudi Arabia, and a whole bunch of other areas, with British intelligence financing them.

00:11:11.000 So this thing of using Al-Qaeda to attack the Russians, and Al-Qaeda to attack us on 9-11 and all this, it's just a repeat. 0.64

00:11:17.000 They're a secret army, a globalist cutout. 1.00

00:11:20.000 Now, the idiots on the ground fighting and killing are just pirates that want to rape and murder. 1.00

00:11:24.000 They're psychopaths. 1.00

00:11:26.000 They're delusional. 0.99

00:11:27.000 They're in the news facing Jesus, the prophet, will come back and fight for them.

00:11:31.000 They think Jesus is a prophet, not the son of God.

00:11:34.000 All of this is social engineering on a mass scale.

00:11:37.000 All of this. 0.75

00:11:38.000 Notice that it's Western governments flooding our countries, not just with Muslims, but with Muslims from the most radical areas, and then saying, race for terror attack, we've got to now take your freedoms.

00:11:48.000 But then meanwhile, the summits are all about gun owners and conservatives, and that's the Justice Department's main focus.

00:11:53.000 We already know this.

00:11:55.000 Infowars broke this, as you know, with the Mayak Report and other documents.

00:11:58.000 But now we have to get this out to everyone else who doesn't understand it.

00:12:02.000 Don't think just because you understand this, other people understand this.

00:12:06.000 Also, we need to understand perception.

00:12:10.000 Just like they say there's record gun deaths, but gun deaths are down since 1991.

00:12:16.000 51% FBI's own numbers.

00:12:18.000 The news is able to show all the gun deaths.

00:12:20.000 And I'm shifting gears right here just into psych control and how they spend things.

00:12:24.000 Just keep our mind on that.

00:12:26.000 So gun deaths are way down, but they're telling us it's way up.

00:12:29.000 Just like every day we have articles on Infowars.com, and I've told my writers, continue to do it, showing police killing innocent people, doing horrible things.

00:12:37.000 But remember, that's actually not up in the statistics.

00:12:40.000 In fact, in some areas it's down.

00:12:42.000 Because of media attention, it creates the perception that the police are out of control.

00:12:48.000 What's out of control is the central government trying to warp the police into something truly evil.

00:12:53.000 And they're pushing and promoting all this anti-cop stuff to then make the cops basically go into a psychology of only working with the feds and a gang mentality because they feel persecuted instead of us embracing the police and promoting a Bill of Rights culture.

00:13:08.000 That's what the enemy doesn't want.

00:13:10.000 So we post the articles of the wrongdoing so the bad cops get in trouble.

00:13:13.000 But that's only to clean up the police departments, not to demonize the police in general.

00:13:18.000 Local government, local control, farmers markets, Buy America, this is all the answer.

00:13:23.000 And I'm just skipping around here because there's so much news to cover.

00:13:26.000 Let's walk over to the computer right now.

00:13:33.000 Well, yeah, they made a mistake and it's terrible.

00:13:41.000 It's bad.

00:13:42.000 That's why she probably needed a gun herself to do it. 1.00

00:13:44.000 The police are there to arrest somebody once they've committed the crime and bring them to justice to the jury, to us, the people.

00:13:49.000 Italy puts trips on the street in response to Islamic State's psychological warfare. 0.91

00:13:53.000 ISIS believes Jesus will come.

00:13:55.000 Ted Cruz, Obama has become an apologist for radical Islamic terrorists.

00:13:58.000 Absolutely.

00:13:59.000 Cop beats high school kid so bad even the cop's own department told the family to file a complaint.

00:14:06.000 Report finds we're eating 2.5 tons of fake food.

00:14:10.000 Anthony, I want you to get on today, at least for 15 minutes, with Dave and I and cover this, because these articles you write are so huge, we hardly ever cover them.

00:14:18.000 Look at this, Hong Kong chief executive tells citizens to act more like sheep.

00:14:22.000 Shocking video.

00:14:23.000 College students condemned free speech in the First Amendment.

00:14:26.000 And that's a serious video.

00:14:28.000 Long form of them doing this.

00:14:29.000 So that's basically it, ladies and gentlemen.

00:14:31.000 Alex Jones signing off for this news update for this Thursday, the 19th transmission.

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00:15:15.000 Alright, that's Alex Jones with a message recorded earlier, breaking down some of the stories that are coming out today.

00:15:21.000 We have, as he mentioned at the beginning of the broadcast, we have Dr. Hugo de Geras, a pioneer of artificial intelligence.

00:15:27.000 And of course, ten years ago, he wrote a book called The Artilect War.

00:15:31.000 He has a very dystopian view of what may happen with artificial intelligence as someone who knows a great deal about it.

00:15:38.000 We're going to talk to him today from China.

00:15:41.000 He has been working up to his retirement in China on an artificial brain project in China.

00:15:46.000 Pretty much all of the countries are doing it.

00:15:48.000 That's one of the reasons that he believes, and makes a case for it in his book, is it's essentially a competition.

00:15:54.000 Just as we had the space gap with Sputnik, we got concerned about that.

00:15:59.000 Every country is concerned about falling behind militarily in doing the research.

00:16:04.000 That's what's driving this kind of, I would call it a DARPA kind of madness that we see.

00:16:09.000 Just yesterday, of course, we had the story Right out of The Matrix, talking about how DARPA is working on a brain implant to be powered from the spine that would go on the back of your neck.

00:16:21.000 They would project video directly into your brain bypassing the visual system that your body has.

00:16:27.000 Today we have a story that's up on Drudge Report about drones being used to seek out arteries in order to prevent heart attacks.

00:16:33.000 This is nanotechnology, microscopic drones that they would inject into your arteries that would then seek out plaque inside of the arteries and release a drug derived from, they say, a natural protein that repairs inflammation damage in the body.

00:16:49.000 As I look at this, I think maybe the Amish have the right idea. 1.00

00:16:54.000 I am definitely, as Dr. DeGaris would call it, I'm definitely in the Terran camp.

00:16:59.000 Not as a terrorist.

00:17:00.000 That doesn't mean terrorist.

00:17:01.000 That means Terra as in terra firma.

00:17:04.000 Earth.

00:17:05.000 Humanity.

00:17:05.000 That's the side I'm with.

00:17:07.000 Of course, he sympathizes with that, but he describes himself as a cosmos.

00:17:12.000 Someone who feels compelled to create this, what he believes, god-like intelligence that he thinks is not only coming soon, But is, and not just a high probability, but a certainty he believes that's going to happen.

00:17:26.000 And I think one of the things we want to talk to him about, besides the timing, besides how this might break out, he has a very, he laid this out ten years ago, how he thought this conflict would play out.

00:17:38.000 So we want to talk to him about the state of the art in research.

00:17:41.000 We want to see how he thinks this is going to play out.

00:17:44.000 But one of the things that I want to focus on, because it has implications for everyone who is a scientist or an engineer.

00:17:50.000 ...is the ethics of this.

00:17:51.000 Because he's very conflicted about this.

00:17:53.000 He feels compelled to create this god-like intelligence, even though he personally believes that it will likely lead to the extinction of the human race.

00:18:02.000 There was a story on The Guardian today.

00:18:04.000 Artificial intelligence and nanotechnology, which he believes is an enabling technology for the kind of development of artificial intelligence that he foresees, Artificial intelligence and nanotech threaten civilization.

00:18:16.000 This is the Guardian.

00:18:17.000 They say in a recent Global Challenges Foundation proposal, they said such extreme intelligences could not easily be controlled either by the groups creating them or by some international regulatory regime and would probably act to boost their own intelligence and acquire maximal resources for almost all initial AI motivations.

00:18:36.000 They say if these motivations Don't include the survival of humanity.

00:18:41.000 It makes extreme intelligence of these A.I.s a unique risk in that extinction is more likely than with lesser impacts. 0.98

00:18:50.000 And they go through and they list in this article a whole bunch of different existential threats, threats to human existence.

00:18:59.000 Things like extreme climate change, nuclear war, global pandemic, ecological catastrophe, global system collapse, major asteroid impacts, supervolcano, synthetic biology, nanotechnology, artificial intelligence, unknown consequences, and here's the one we talk about all the time, future bad global governance.

00:19:17.000 See, that's the way I see the art-like war playing out.

00:19:20.000 I don't see it as a fight between people who are motivated to create the next god-like intelligence and people who are concerned that it's going to get out of hand and try to stop them like Terminator 2, as you saw Sarah Connors do, trying to shut down the scientists that she saw as being key to developing the future robots.

00:19:39.000 We actually saw Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, actually start doing that.

00:19:43.000 I don't see it happening that way.

00:19:45.000 I see the motivation coming.

00:19:47.000 from bad global governance.

00:19:50.000 The same kind of elite megalomaniacs, the kind of movie supervillains that have absolutely no regard for the human race and have talked about cutting it down to virtually nothing.

00:20:02.000 Virtually no one but them.

00:20:03.000 We're going to be right back.

00:20:03.000 So stay with us.

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00:24:06.000 Welcome back to The Alex Jones Show.

00:24:30.000 I'm David Knight, your host today on this Thursday, February 19th, 2019.

00:24:34.000 This segment I want to go over some of the news, especially what's going on with the Internet, because that is really key.

00:24:42.000 That is the substrate of free speech in America, and we see several articles about this on the Drudge Report today, one of them from the Weekly Standard, Why Can't the Public See Obama's Proposed Internet Regulations?

00:24:54.000 We have the FCC saying that they need to exert control over the Internet in order to give us net neutrality.

00:25:01.000 They have been on both sides of this issue.

00:25:03.000 It isn't about net neutrality.

00:25:04.000 It's about exercising control of the Internet and shutting it down.

00:25:08.000 And the fact that they won't show us what these regulations are should make you very suspicious.

00:25:12.000 We've got Senators like Mike Lee, Ben Sasse, Rand Paul all in opposition to this.

00:25:17.000 Lee has called the regulation a government takeover of the Internet.

00:25:20.000 He says it amounts to a massive tax increase on the middle class being passed in the dead of night without the American public really being made aware of what's going on.

00:25:28.000 Well, that's what they do with everything.

00:25:30.000 That's what they did with Obamacare.

00:25:32.000 They said we had to pass it so we could find out what's in it.

00:25:34.000 That's what they're doing with the Trans-Pacific and Trans-Atlantic Partnership, the massive trade agreements that go far beyond trade.

00:25:41.000 They changed the very essence of government and the relationship to multinational corporations elevates them to the level of government because, of course, they're negotiating these treaties, the multinational corporations, in secret.

00:25:55.000 Our government's not even allowed to see it.

00:25:57.000 And, of course, you've got senators who can't see what our own internal bureaucracy is doing. 0.87

00:26:02.000 One of the FCC commissioners, this guy is a real hero, Ajit Pai, I hope I'm pronouncing his name correctly, but he is a hero.

00:26:08.000 He's exposed a lot of things the FCC has been doing in the past.

00:26:11.000 They say he's been talking about the fact that this is 333 pages of proposed regulation, of course, that we cannot see.

00:26:18.000 Now there's an excellent video on this article on the Weekly Standard.

00:26:22.000 A real movie trailer.

00:26:23.000 And of course, we've seen this movie of tyranny play out many times before, but this is something that really lays it out.

00:26:29.000 I think it's also good for radio, but let's go to that tape.

00:26:35.000 In a world where the web is open and free.

00:26:40.000 And innovation spans the globe.

00:26:45.000 OneMast has a secret plan to seize control of the internet.

00:26:51.000 He has a phone.

00:26:53.000 He has a pen.

00:26:56.000 And he claims he has the power to do it.

00:27:00.000 It's not the first secret government plan to take over a sector of the U.S.

00:27:04.000 economy.

00:27:06.000 We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.

00:27:11.000 But against all odds, One Man is fighting back.

00:27:14.000 I want a free and open internet.

00:27:16.000 Most people do.

00:27:18.000 One Man believes Americans deserve to know more.

00:27:21.000 The public has a right to know what its government is doing.

00:27:24.000 One Man shines light into the darkest corners of government.

00:27:28.000 If you told the average American that the FCC is going to propose regulations for the internet economy that are 332 pages long, and you're not going to be able to see it until the FCC adopts it, they would think that's the wrong way to go.

00:27:40.000 Wait a minute, you can't tell me what's in the document?

00:27:42.000 That is correct.

00:27:43.000 From the government that brought you spying on journalists, abuse of power from the IRS, and healthcare.gov, comes the Department of the Internet.

00:27:55.000 Net neutrality is Obamacare for the Internet.

00:27:58.000 The Internet should not operate at the speed of government.

00:28:01.000 Coming soon on February 26th.

00:28:13.000 Prepare for the Department of the Internet.

00:28:19.000 But it's going to take more than one man to stop the government's takeover of the Internet.

00:28:24.000 Contact Congress today and find out how the FCC plans to change the Internet.

00:28:30.000 Congress should demand that this rule be made public before the FCC votes on it.

00:28:35.000 Let the American public see this plan.

00:28:40.000 Excellent video.

00:28:41.000 Keep the internet open and free.

00:28:43.000 And of course, that's a great line in there.

00:28:46.000 The internet operating at the speed of government.

00:28:50.000 And quite frankly, it's not going to be operating if they have their say so about it.

00:28:54.000 They're looking at many different ways to restrict internet freedom, to restrict the free speech.

00:28:59.000 And of course, we have not only the FCC saying, We have to protect you from gatekeepers.

00:29:05.000 So we're going to make ourselves the gatekeepers.

00:29:07.000 You know, kind of like the way they protect us from violence in cities by becoming violent policemen.

00:29:13.000 We've got a billionaire, Mark Cuban, in another article that's up on Drudge saying that net neutrality will F everything up is what he says, doesn't mince words here.

00:29:23.000 He says it's a dispute essentially between two large companies, Netflix and Comcast, that essentially started this.

00:29:30.000 He said they were able to work this out as big companies typically do, that we should not have the government getting involved as gatekeepers.

00:29:37.000 And he points out that he has no objection to Congress passing a law specifying that ISPs can't discriminate or block websites.

00:29:45.000 That, though, is the purpose of the FCC getting into this, is to shut down free speech, to shut down websites.

00:29:51.000 Stay with us, we'll be right back with more news, and joining us in the next hour is Dr. Hugo DeGaris.

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00:33:08.000 Defending the republic from enemies foreign and domestic.

00:33:24.000 It's Alex Jones.

00:33:28.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show on this February 19th, 2015.

00:33:34.000 I'm David Knight, your host.

00:33:36.000 We'll be joined later in the show in the next hour by Dr. Hugo DeGaris, one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence.

00:33:42.000 He's going to give us his very dystopian view of the future, but I think it's also important to talk to him because He represents, I think, the kind of paradox of ethics that we see with many people who work at all levels with the military-industrial complex.

00:33:57.000 Would you, because of intellectual curiosity, because of financial reward, whatever the reason, would you do things that you think are going to result in the deaths of hundreds, thousands, millions?

00:34:10.000 In his case, he thinks that the Ardilek War will result in the death of billions.

00:34:14.000 He talks about gigadeth.

00:34:16.000 Nevertheless, he feels compelled to create it.

00:34:18.000 So I'm very intrigued by this paradox and I want to talk to him about that as well as his take on the state of the art of artificial intelligence, how he thinks this may happen.

00:34:29.000 We were talking just before the break About the FCC, and I want to get back to that, but very quickly I want to let you know that this hour of the Alex Jones Show is brought to you by the special products that we sell at Infowarslife.com, and we have some specials on those products this month.

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00:35:15.000 Now going back to the news here, the FCC, Mark Cuban was very upset by the idea that the FCC is enlarging its turf.

00:35:22.000 And of course, they've been after this for quite some time.

00:35:25.000 They are using the threat of large corporations shutting down and controlling your internet access.

00:35:32.000 They're using that threat in order to create a regulatory mechanism that can do exactly that.

00:35:39.000 They're saying we don't want to have gatekeepers of the Internet, corporate gatekeepers of the Internet, so we're going to set up government gatekeepers of the Internet.

00:35:47.000 Just look at how that has worked out for us with the FDA, with other regulatory agencies.

00:35:53.000 They get captured by the very companies, Monsanto, etc., that they're supposed to regulate.

00:35:59.000 They don't protect us.

00:36:01.000 We don't want to have this kind of expansive regulation.

00:36:05.000 It wasn't that long ago that the same FCC committee member that is blowing the whistle on these new secret rules that we're not allowed to look at, he also pointed out that they were looking at content.

00:36:20.000 They were going to send flyers out to print media, which has nothing to do with their jurisdiction.

00:36:26.000 But we see, just like we see the FAA trying to extend its jurisdiction over model planes, over paper airplanes, we had a National Transportation Safety Board judge slap them down and say, you don't have any authority over these lightweight models, these quadrocopters that are carrying cameras.

00:36:48.000 They tried to Assess a $10,000 fine against a guy who was working for the University of Virginia.

00:36:55.000 He flew a five-pound styrofoam drone over the University of Virginia taking pictures.

00:36:59.000 They tried to assess a $10,000 fine and the judge slapped it down and said, if we go with the argument that you, the FAA, are trying to make, we're going to regulate even down to paper airplanes and balsa wood airplanes.

00:37:11.000 But that was repealed.

00:37:13.000 They appealed that decision and the NTSB board overruled that judge.

00:37:20.000 And so now that's exactly what the FAA is doing.

00:37:23.000 This is the way all of these bureaucracies are rolling out and expanding their power.

00:37:28.000 It's not just Obama with his executive orders.

00:37:31.000 It's these bureaucracies that are writing the laws, calling them regulations.

00:37:36.000 But Congress no longer writes the laws.

00:37:39.000 Congress isn't even allowed to see what the FCC is planning on doing to the internet.

00:37:43.000 It's secret.

00:37:44.000 There's over 300 pages.

00:37:46.000 One of the commissioners who's blowing the whistle on that has seen it, but of course the senators haven't.

00:37:50.000 Senator Rand Paul, Mike Lee, others have complained about this.

00:37:53.000 They're not allowed to see it.

00:37:54.000 They're not allowed to see the trade agreements that are being negotiated by corporations and transatlantic, transpacific trade agreements.

00:38:00.000 This is the kind of secretive government.

00:38:02.000 Of course, Mark Cuban says, look, I wouldn't have a problem if you wanted to use the FCC or Congress.

00:38:08.000 He doesn't even say the FCC.

00:38:09.000 He rightfully says Congress.

00:38:11.000 Congress should pass the laws, not the bureaucracies.

00:38:14.000 He says, I don't have an objection to Congress passing a law saying that Internet providers can't discriminate or block legal websites.

00:38:22.000 See, that's the way it's going to be used.

00:38:23.000 That's the whole purpose, however, of the FCC's movement behind this.

00:38:27.000 Just take a look at this story.

00:38:28.000 It's up on Infowars.com today.

00:38:30.000 Federal government demands social media censorship.

00:38:33.000 This is a Republican congressman from Texas, Ted Pope, chair of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Terrorism.

00:38:40.000 See, it's always done in the name of security.

00:38:43.000 And he's saying, you know, we need to force Twitter to take stuff down.

00:38:50.000 Look, it's not something that is not being... They have paid trolls.

00:38:55.000 They've been doing it in Afghanistan.

00:38:57.000 They do it here in CONUS in the continental United States. 0.53

00:39:00.000 You can see their work, these paid Pentagon trolls and government homeland security trolls.

00:39:04.000 If you want to see their work, just go to our website.

00:39:06.000 Go to Infowars.com.

00:39:07.000 You'll see them hanging out in the comments section.

00:39:10.000 You'll see them on YouTube hanging out in the comments section.

00:39:12.000 The same guys all the time.

00:39:14.000 That's what they do.

00:39:16.000 They actually war game that.

00:39:18.000 They actually measure your response to see if they can push you in a certain direction.

00:39:25.000 That's what they've been doing for a long time.

00:39:27.000 So, you know, they aren't necessarily censoring content from ISIS.

00:39:32.000 They want to censor Political content.

00:39:36.000 That's what the FEC, the Federal Elections Commission, wants to do as well.

00:39:41.000 We also have a story up on Infowars.com.

00:39:43.000 Google warns of U.S.

00:39:45.000 government, quote, hacking any facility in the world.

00:39:48.000 This is an obscure rule that essentially says that the FBI needs to get search warrants from a judge that has jurisdiction.

00:39:56.000 By removing that requirement, Then they can have a judge quote-unquote give them authority to go anywhere, even outside of this country.

00:40:05.000 And of course, I guess that's kind of a novel idea that any branch of government would even bother to get a search warrant anymore with the kind of dragnet surveillance we have here.

00:40:14.000 But this is what Google is saying.

00:40:15.000 They say this opens the door to the U.S.

00:40:16.000 government hacking any facility in the world.

00:40:19.000 They say FBI agents would be able to carry out covert raids on servers no matter where they were situated, giving the U.S. 0.87

00:40:25.000 government unfettered global access to vast amounts of private information.

00:40:30.000 Now understand, They're not just talking, really.

00:40:33.000 Primarily they're talking here about a virtual hacking.

00:40:35.000 In other words, when they talk about a covert raid, they're really talking primarily about a computer hack job on any server anywhere in the world.

00:40:42.000 But understand that that isn't where it's going to stop.

00:40:46.000 You're going to wind up having American SWAT teams, special forces, descending on people.

00:40:52.000 That's where this is going to stop.

00:40:54.000 They say the nature of these government searches, they say, could take place anywhere in the world.

00:40:58.000 The concern is not theoretical.

00:41:00.000 This is what Google is saying.

00:41:02.000 The nature of today's technology is such that warrants issued under the proposed amendment will in many cases end up authorizing the government to conduct searches outside the United States.

00:41:12.000 Perhaps this is the way Google is trying to repair their reputation after having been started.

00:41:18.000 By the CIA and being involved with a lot of this government spying.

00:41:23.000 Now they're warning us what they, I guess they've been told the government is already getting ready to do.

00:41:27.000 And of course, we just learned earlier this week that there was hacks, NSA hacks, into the lower level software, I'm sorry, software on the hard drives, into the firmware so that they could essentially boot up A spy program as the hard drives are turned on.

00:41:46.000 And we've seen in the past that the special tactical group that the NSA has has been intercepting packages as they've been shipped out, changing the hardware, putting stuff into computers, into hard drives.

00:41:57.000 This is some spyware that's been discovered by a Russian group, Kaspersky.

00:42:03.000 And they pointed out that it shares exactly the same methods of working as Stutznet, and everybody understands that Stutznet was something that was done by the United States and Israeli military against the Iranians, attacking, interestingly enough, their hard drives.

00:42:18.000 And no matter how many times they tried to wipe those hard drives, it just kept coming back because it was down at the boot level firmware.

00:42:26.000 We talked many times about DARPA as we mentioned yesterday and earlier today.

00:42:33.000 The story from yesterday that DARPA is working on a Matrix-like hack to go into the spine and the back of the neck and straight out of the Matrix.

00:42:42.000 Of course, perhaps they gave them some information.

00:42:44.000 We see a lot of predictive programming going on in the movies.

00:42:49.000 And of course that's what we're going to be talking about in the next hour.

00:42:52.000 We have one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence who foresees a Terminator-like future for us.

00:42:58.000 A system where the artificial intelligence becomes self-aware.

00:43:03.000 Not only self-aware, but malevolent.

00:43:04.000 So we're going to talk to him about his dystopian view, which stands in stark contrast to Ray Kurzweil's utopian view.

00:43:11.000 And of course, Ray Kurzweil is someone who thinks that this is going to play out as cyborgs.

00:43:17.000 He thinks he's going to merge with the machines.

00:43:20.000 He calls it the singularity.

00:43:22.000 Dr. DeGaris calls it the single hilarity.

00:43:25.000 He thinks that that's not going to happen whatsoever.

00:43:27.000 So we'll talk to him as to why he thinks it isn't going to be a merging of man and machine, but we'll also talk to him about how quickly he thinks this is going to happen.

00:43:37.000 It's not just DARPA that's creating these types of over-the-top science fiction developments that we see.

00:43:44.000 It's also an intelligence advanced research project called IARPA.

00:43:49.000 And as we mentioned on the news briefly yesterday, they're looking at ways to predict what's going to happen in society.

00:43:59.000 One paper that they came out with said that Anticipatory intelligence is considered to be one of the next frontiers of big data research, and they see that their customers, the people that they're going to support in making these decisions, are national security, law enforcement, and intelligence missions.

00:44:16.000 And what are they looking for?

00:44:17.000 Well, they're going to try to forecast things like disease outbreaks, elections, See, our national security and law enforcement needs to know who's going to win the next election.

00:44:28.000 They also want to know about domestic political crises and civil unrest.

00:44:32.000 So that's the types of things that they're looking at.

00:44:35.000 And of course this agency, really, which hasn't gotten a lot of attention like DARPA has, because we know, we've seen all of these robotics projects that DARPA has come out with.

00:44:45.000 The dogs, we just had a smaller version of Big Dog.

00:44:49.000 Every time you see that thing, you've got somebody walking up to it and kicking it so that you can see how it can regain its balance.

00:44:56.000 Every time I look at that thing, I want to kick it as well.

00:44:59.000 But of course, the large robotics projects that DARPA sponsored, you should understand too that the very first competition that DARPA ever did was for self-driving cars, as they like to call them.

00:45:12.000 I call them computer-driven, government-controlled cars, because controlling Transportation, controlling your movements, is as important in total totalitarian societies as it is to control everything that you read, everything that you see.

00:45:27.000 So they want to control the internet, they also want to control the actual highway, not just the information highway.

00:45:33.000 Now, IARPA, this not very well-known agency, back in October of last year, they had a special fair that they invited people to come see, a few select journalists.

00:45:46.000 They say it was an industry day.

00:45:48.000 And the people reporting on this, of course, they were invited, they invited the federal, the FCW, which is some kind of a federal I'm trying to look at the paper here, I don't see what agency it is.

00:46:00.000 But it's basically an internet site that reports on what the federal government is doing for federal workers.

00:46:07.000 They say that they're the same program where they're looking at predicting what's going to happen with crowds, looking at publicly available data and predicting how things are going to break, whether it's going to be civil unrest, looking to see if people are getting sick.

00:46:22.000 We know that they're mining social media furiously and saving this and then also trying to use it to move the population in a particular direction.

00:46:30.000 They say they had an industry day.

00:46:32.000 They said it was very upbeat.

00:46:34.000 This is a federal workers' site.

00:46:36.000 They said they had a welcome package, including a handout with a quote from the New York Times, saying that IARPA is one of the government's most creative agencies.

00:46:44.000 And then they had this to say, which I thought was interesting, coming from kind of a puff piece.

00:46:48.000 They say, but the openness has its limits.

00:46:52.000 Media were welcome as long as they didn't quote officials by name.

00:46:56.000 I can't have that.

00:46:58.000 An IARPA analyst grew visibly uncomfortable at seeing a reporter at his demonstration, and he quickly summoned a public affairs officer to serve as intermediary.

00:47:09.000 Yeah, I don't think they're going to be inviting me or anybody else here at InfoWars to come to their industry days.

00:47:15.000 We might be actually quoting some of these guys and telling people what they're actually planning on doing, even though most of their plans are secret.

00:47:24.000 Now, one of the articles that I saw in Drudge Report today about Marco Rubio, and of course he's saying that Homeland Security funding must continue despite this fight over immigration.

00:47:35.000 One of the few things the Republicans did not fully fund throughout the entire year was Homeland Security to give them a little bit of leverage, perhaps, over the immigration debate.

00:47:45.000 Because that is being done, Obama's amnesty is being enacted through the Department of Homeland Security.

00:47:52.000 Rubio doesn't think that that should happen.

00:47:55.000 He thinks that it's just too important.

00:47:57.000 We have to do this for our own security, for our national security.

00:48:02.000 Let's think about this.

00:48:03.000 As I point out in the article, they say Obama's order is going to let immigrants get here illegally and work, get work permits, they can collect Social Security, they can get Medicare, and they can get tax credits from previous years by just filing some paperwork with the IRS.

00:48:21.000 When they can do all of that, it makes me ask the question, how does Marco Rubio really define security?

00:48:30.000 How do you define security?

00:48:31.000 If you have no control over your borders, if you have a massive cloward and pivot takedown of the economy with handing out massive financial incentives for people to come here and giving them social security, giving them tax refunds from previous years when they may or may not have been here. 0.85

00:48:50.000 When you destroy the economy of a country like that, when you destroy control over the borders, how then do you define security?

00:48:59.000 Is security something that is there only to protect the government's continuity of government?

00:49:05.000 I think maybe in his world it does because there was another article that came out just a couple of days ago at the International Students for Liberty meeting in D.C.

00:49:16.000 that was just last week.

00:49:17.000 I think it might have been this last weekend.

00:49:21.000 Justin Amash Talked about Marco Rubio.

00:49:24.000 Now, Marco Rubio is for permanently reauthorizing the Patriot Act.

00:49:29.000 That's what he was concerned about.

00:49:30.000 Here's the quote from Marco Rubio.

00:49:32.000 It was an op-ed piece that he had, and it was on foxnews.com.

00:49:36.000 Marco Rubio said, this year, a new Republican majority in both houses of Congress will have to extend current authorities under the FISA Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

00:49:47.000 I urge my colleagues to consider a permanent extension of the counter-terrorism tools our intelligence community relies on to keep the American people safe.

00:49:57.000 So we don't have to worry about a Cloward and Piven takedown of our economy with open borders. 0.75

00:50:02.000 That's not a threat to our security.

00:50:04.000 We have to have the Patriot Act made permanent.

00:50:10.000 Now, after he did that, Congressman Justin Amash retweeted that with the single word comment, disqualified.

00:50:18.000 I think Amash is exactly right.

00:50:22.000 That disqualifies him as a senator.

00:50:25.000 Not simply as a presidential candidate or as a vice presidential running mate, which is probably what he's angling for.

00:50:31.000 And of course, the Patriot Act's illegal Section 215, which is what they've used to justify their dragnet surveillance, that is coming up for reauthorization.

00:50:41.000 It's set to expire June 1st.

00:50:43.000 We should let it expire.

00:50:45.000 And we should let Marco Rubio expire in his Senate term, not give him any more power.

00:50:52.000 It's a very, very disturbing thing to see the Patriot Act made permanent.

00:50:58.000 We need to all be aware of what's going on.

00:51:00.000 We need to roll this back, not just be aware of it.

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00:54:10.000 Way up north to Alaska Way up north to Alaska North to Alaska Go north for Russia's home Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

00:54:23.000 I'm David Knight, your host today.

00:54:24.000 As I pointed out before, we're going to be joined in the next hour with Dr. Hugo de Geras, one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence.

00:54:30.000 He's going to talk to us about his dystopian projections for the future, if this comes to fruition.

00:54:37.000 He believes that it is inevitable, so we're going to talk to him about why he believes that.

00:54:41.000 As well as we'll take some of your calls and questions for him.

00:54:44.000 He's agreed to stay a little bit longer with us so that we can take some calls.

00:54:48.000 He'll be joining us in the next hour.

00:54:49.000 We'll be taking your calls at the top of the third hour.

00:54:52.000 Now in the last segment we were talking about Marco Rubio.

00:54:56.000 Who wants to make the Patriot Act authorization permanent.

00:55:00.000 He wants to make the dragnet surveillance that we see happening.

00:55:03.000 He wants to make that permanent.

00:55:05.000 He wants to fund Homeland Security, which is being used to carry out Obama's executive orders.

00:55:11.000 That's the little bit of leverage, even that little bit.

00:55:14.000 That little bone that was thrown to the Republican voting base by Boehner and others, that we're going to try to pull back some of this open border stuff with Homeland Security because border control is under Homeland Security.

00:55:30.000 Even that, Marco Rubio says, no, no, no, we don't want to tie any conditions to Homeland Security.

00:55:35.000 Let's just let them do whatever they want to.

00:55:37.000 Let's go business as usual, fund everything.

00:55:41.000 Here's how Ted Cruz With respect to the ruling, I disagree with it.

00:55:52.000 I think the law is on our side and history is on our side.

00:55:57.000 And we are going to appeal it.

00:55:59.000 We will be prepared to implement this fully as soon as the legal issues get resolved.

00:56:06.000 He seems undeterred.

00:56:09.000 Well, that has been the nature of the Obama presidency from day one.

00:56:14.000 You know, it's interesting.

00:56:15.000 He says the law is on his side.

00:56:16.000 There is at least one person who calls himself a legal scholar who disagrees, and his name is Barack Obama.

00:56:22.000 22 times, President Obama has admitted he doesn't have the authority to issue unilateral amnesty.

00:56:30.000 22 times he says the Constitution doesn't allow it.

00:56:33.000 He said, this is not a monarchy.

00:56:35.000 That's his quote.

00:56:36.000 And then after the last election, he said, never mind, and issued it anyway.

00:56:36.000 That's a fact.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, and he just keeps getting away with it because the Republicans refuse to impeach him.

00:56:46.000 Even though we have a majority in the Senate and we have a very large majority in the House, they won't even attempt it.

00:56:52.000 Now they'll tell you that they don't have a large enough majority to get it through the Senate.

00:56:57.000 That hasn't stopped them from passing the Keystone Pipeline ten times.

00:57:01.000 They know they're not going to get that through.

00:57:03.000 But they want to show that they're working for their real constituents, the big corporations behind the Keystone Pipeline.

00:57:10.000 They could care less about the Republican voters.

00:57:13.000 Now we do have some good news out of South Dakota.

00:57:16.000 We see that they have passed constitutional carry.

00:57:19.000 This is a message that went out from Gun Owners of America yesterday saying that the South Dakota State House has passed constitutional carry that will allow people in South Dakota to exercise their Second Amendment rights to carry a firearm.

00:57:32.000 Now we'll have to see if it gets through the other house and if the governor signs it.

00:57:35.000 But you know, it basically recognizes that the Second Amendment addresses a right of the people, not a privilege granted by the government.

00:57:43.000 That's also very positive news.

00:57:46.000 And we also see that...

00:57:49.000 Frozen temperatures everywhere, even Niagara Falls is frozen.

00:57:53.000 There's an article on CNN talking about how it's such a sight that it's become a tourist attraction to see the frozen Niagara Falls and of course the Great Lakes have frozen over.

00:58:03.000 We've got Lake Erie with 98% ice and there's an article from M Live that talks about how the Great Lakes ice is growing faster than even last year's frigid winter.

00:58:16.000 They say not only is Lake Erie above where it was last year, but Lake Huron is also closing in on its record last year.

00:58:23.000 Lake Ontario, 78.5% ice.

00:58:24.000 Last year it was just 31.5% ice.

00:58:29.000 You know, there's decreased solar activity.

00:58:31.000 We also have more CO2.

00:58:33.000 I would say that perhaps that points to some failed climate change models.

00:58:38.000 Maybe it's not man-made, and maybe the globe is not warming.

00:58:41.000 Stay with us, we're going to be right back.

00:58:43.000 We've got a little bit more news, and then Hugo de Garris is going to be joining us from China.

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01:00:34.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:00:35.000 I'm David Knight, your host.

01:00:37.000 We're going to be joined by, in the next segment, by Dr. Hugo DeGaris, artificial intelligence pioneer.

01:00:43.000 We're going to talk to him about his book, The Art-Like War, Cosmos versus Terrans, a bitter controversy concerning whether humanity should build god-like massive intelligent machines.

01:00:53.000 And one of the interesting things about this book, not only does he lay out some of the principles of artificial intelligence and how he thinks it's going to get there, talks a little bit about the time frame, But the thing that I found interesting about it was his conflicted interest in this, because he sees this resulting in the extinction of the human species.

01:01:13.000 Nevertheless, he feels compelled to create what he believes are going to be god-like artificial intelligences that he calls the Artilex.

01:01:21.000 So we're going to talk to him in the next segment.

01:01:24.000 We have some news that we haven't gone over just yet.

01:01:27.000 I wanted to Talk about this World Net Daily story that came up from Jerome Corsi.

01:01:32.000 And of course, it involves the appointment of Attorney General nominee Loretta Lynch.

01:01:39.000 And it's her role in the Obama administration's decision not to prosecute HSBC and other banks for massive money laundering.

01:01:49.000 Money laundering for terrorist groups, for drug groups.

01:01:53.000 Remember when this came out, there was a lot of talk about not only Are these banks too big to fail?

01:02:00.000 But the Obama administration, under the previous Attorney General, Eric Holder, said with his spokesperson, said, you know, it just wouldn't serve anybody's best interest for us to send any of these bank officials to jail.

01:02:13.000 Anybody else doing this would be sent to jail in a heartbeat.

01:02:16.000 Some of the most massive money laundering in terms of The quantity that they've done and the blatancy with which they did it, we've never seen.

01:02:25.000 And not only did they just give them a slap on the wrist and a small fine, but as they were working on that, we've had on our show Everett Stern, who is a whistleblower who worked at HSBC, and he alleged that he was part of the group with the first time they got caught doing money laundering, they came in and said, we're going to let you off.

01:02:44.000 If you'll police this better so they hired a bunch of people and Everett was one of them to look at the transfers to scrutinize them they had software that was supposed to flag this stuff He asserts that it was simply a cover-up, that they were trying deliberately to look the other way.

01:03:03.000 They were not training people to actually do anything with it, even as they were getting their hands slapped for a prior violation.

01:03:11.000 He was pointing out that search terms looking for individuals or organizations that were drug dealers or terrorist groups, that they would insert things like periods or spaces inside of the name so that there would not be a character match, so that these things would go through that they would insert things like periods or spaces inside of the name And did very little to train anybody to actually do any detective work.

01:03:34.000 He says that when he started doing it, he got slapped down.

01:03:36.000 Well, this is a whistleblower from HSBC, John Cruz, who is now talking about what he saw and talking about, again, Obama's attorney general nominee who was supposed to replace Eric Holder.

01:03:50.000 And unfortunately, Eric Holder is going to be retiring.

01:03:53.000 He's not going to a jail cell as he should be going based on the many things that he's covered up previously.

01:03:58.000 Fast and Furious, the IRS scandals where the IRS is being used against political enemies.

01:04:04.000 Seems like nothing will take him down.

01:04:07.000 Nevertheless, some people are starting to pay attention to the HSBC whistleblower pointing out the Attorney General nominee's role in the Obama administration covering up and just giving a hand slap to them.

01:04:22.000 We also see that Michelle Obama and Barack Obama are having a wonderful Valentine's Day.

01:04:28.000 This is really, I guess, we need to call back, you know, Robin Leach to talk about lifestyles of the rich and famous.

01:04:34.000 You know, champagne dreams and caviar wishes or however that went.

01:04:38.000 They have a very expensive getaway according to the Daily Mail.

01:04:40.000 The first family's Valentine Day apart cost the taxpayers at least two and a half million dollars as Barack golfed in California while Michelle went on a secret ski trip to Aspen.

01:04:52.000 Stay with us, we're going to be right back with Dr. Hugo DeGaris, joining us from China.

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01:08:18.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:08:23.000 I'm David Knight, and we're going to be talking in this hour to Dr. Hugo DeGaris, one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence, someone who's been a researcher in the subfield of artificial intelligence, AI, that is known as evolvable hardware.

01:08:39.000 And until his retirement in late 2010, he was a professor at Xiamen University, he can correct me if I said that wrong, where he taught theoretical physics and computer science, and he ran the Artificial Brain Lab, funded by the Chinese government.

01:08:52.000 And of course, most of the governments have some kind of an artificial brain lab that is going on.

01:08:56.000 Before we go to Dr. DeGaris, I want to read this to you from his book, The Artelect War.

01:09:00.000 This was written in 2000.

01:09:02.000 In 2005, about 10 years ago, of course, he had identified the issue, the problem, some time before he, quite a bit before he wrote the book.

01:09:09.000 He's been working in artificial intelligence for over 30 years.

01:09:13.000 This is what he said in this 2005 book.

01:09:15.000 He said, the issue is far too important to be confined to intellectual discussions amongst a bunch of nerdy scientists.

01:09:22.000 In time, it will concern everyone, because if Cosmos are serious in their threat to build artilects, everyone will be affected one way or the other.

01:09:30.000 So he says, an effective beginning to getting people to talk about the issue is to write a book, and a book will help journalists become familiar with the problem.

01:09:37.000 They'll in turn write about it for the greater reading public, which we've been doing here at InfoWars for quite some time.

01:09:43.000 We've been talking about it as well.

01:09:44.000 Similar reasoning applies to TV and radio journalists, who can present these ideas to an even wider audience, because unfortunately, only about half of the population reads books.

01:09:54.000 That's right.

01:09:55.000 We need to have this discussion.

01:09:57.000 We need to understand what is being done in this country.

01:10:00.000 It comes across when we see articles like we saw yesterday with DARPA talking about jacking into the spinal cord so that they can bypass the optical system and directly implant images into the brain.

01:10:12.000 We need to start thinking about these technologies that are so far over the top, that are advancing so rapidly, that are accelerating so rapidly.

01:10:20.000 We need to step back and examine the social consequences of this.

01:10:24.000 And so I want to do that with Dr. DeGaris, as well as have him lay out the case for the plausibility and the inevitability of it.

01:10:32.000 And we're going to try to take your calls.

01:10:34.000 He's graciously agreed to stay a little bit longer.

01:10:36.000 into the top of the third hour if you've got some questions for Dr. DeGaris.

01:10:42.000 Thank you for joining us, Dr. DeGaris.

01:10:45.000 Hello, thank you, David.

01:10:47.000 And thank you for coming on at this time.

01:10:49.000 I know you're in China right now, so this is very, very early in the morning for you.

01:10:53.000 Thank you for getting up and doing this.

01:10:56.000 I'm retired, right?

01:10:59.000 I do what I like, and I've always been a night person.

01:11:03.000 So for me, this is sort of like the middle of the day.

01:11:06.000 It's the middle of my night, so to speak.

01:11:09.000 So I'm wide awake.

01:11:10.000 Good, good.

01:11:12.000 I wanted to ask you to kind of lay out the case.

01:11:15.000 You think that it is not only highly probable, but that it is inevitable that we're going to have these massively intelligent artificial intelligence machines, the Artilex I want you to kind of lay out for us the two different approaches to AI and kind of get an idea of where we are in terms of current research on this.

01:11:34.000 You disagree with Ray Kurzweil on the eventual outcome.

01:11:38.000 He's someone who thinks that we're going to merge with machines in a kind of cyborg way.

01:11:43.000 He also sees a utopian future.

01:11:46.000 You're very concerned about this in terms of its conclusion, but I think you both kind of are taking the same approach to artificial intelligence, aren't you, in terms of modeling the human brain?

01:11:57.000 Well, my best friend is Ben Goethal and he and Ray, Ray Kurzweil, I consider them the two guys, probably, well one of those two will be the first, I think, to achieve genuine human level artificial intelligence.

01:12:15.000 And Ben's way, I call his approach just simply the engineering approach.

01:12:20.000 In other words, do whatever you like.

01:12:22.000 Just take some idea and engineer it and see if you can get artificial intelligence out of it.

01:12:28.000 And that's pretty much the approach that artificial intelligence researchers have been taking for, God, 60 odd years.

01:12:36.000 And they've not been successful.

01:12:38.000 We still don't live in an era of artificially intelligent machines.

01:12:43.000 And the other broad approach is simply copy the brain.

01:12:47.000 Now, we know that approach eventually will pan out because we only have to look at ourselves as the living proof that it's possible to put molecules together in a certain way and produce an intelligent, conscious creature ourselves, human beings.

01:13:02.000 We're the living proof that it can be done.

01:13:04.000 Nature has found a way.

01:13:06.000 But the bottleneck with that problem is we don't really know what intelligence is yet.

01:13:12.000 We don't have enough knowledge of the detailed structure of the human brain.

01:13:17.000 And that's a good question, Dr. DeGaris, because how do you define intelligence?

01:13:21.000 I mean, I remember decades ago people talking about IBM's chess playing programs and talking about that as being artificial intelligence.

01:13:28.000 That's not really autonomous thinking.

01:13:30.000 That's highly programmed.

01:13:33.000 It's running through a lot of different probabilities and possibilities and doing it in a way that is faster than humans, but it's essentially relying on the programming of humans.

01:13:41.000 It's not autonomous, independent thinking.

01:13:44.000 How would you define artificial intelligence?

01:13:47.000 I think you're talking about something completely different with artilects, aren't you?

01:13:51.000 No, well, intelligence means just the ability to solve problems quickly.

01:13:56.000 The more difficult the problem, by definition, the higher the intelligence.

01:14:00.000 So, my good friend Ben, in fact, will you be interviewing him at some stage?

01:14:06.000 Yeah, we'd like to, yes.

01:14:07.000 Yes, we'd like to.

01:14:11.000 I don't have to twist his arm, then Ben would be very willing.

01:14:14.000 So Ben's big thing is artificial general intelligence, which sort of answers your question, because today's AI is essentially very narrow.

01:14:25.000 It's very specific and detailed, applied artificial intelligence to specific problems.

01:14:31.000 Google's probably the best example of AI.

01:14:35.000 But Ben's thing is a GI, with the emphasis on the G, meaning general.

01:14:41.000 So a general artificial intelligence could solve just about anything.

01:14:46.000 It would be a master of many, many different approaches to things.

01:14:50.000 And if one approach doesn't work, it tries something else, and so on, until it solves the problem.

01:14:56.000 Which is pretty well what we do.

01:14:58.000 We have zillions of modules in our brain.

01:15:01.000 that specialize in lots of little tasks, and they combine forces.

01:15:05.000 And if one approach doesn't work, it will try something else until it solves the problem, or it gives up.

01:15:10.000 Now, your approach is to essentially create an artificial brain, replicating what we see in human brains as much as you can in electronics and artificial components.

01:15:19.000 And so you're looking at trying to get electronics to be very dense, very quick, looking at heat issues that are involved in that, And you believe that if you get this model close enough, if you build it, essentially consciousness will come.

01:15:37.000 Is that correct?

01:15:38.000 Is that an oversimplification?

01:15:39.000 No, no, no, that's fine.

01:15:41.000 I mean, it's just common sense really, right?

01:15:44.000 If, it's a big if, but if you copy the brain closely enough, long enough, And in sufficient detail.

01:15:52.000 Sooner or later you'll end up with some creation that mimics the brain very, very closely and therefore it should behave in the same way.

01:16:00.000 That's the basic idea.

01:16:05.000 So along those lines, how would you, we've got the DARPA Synapse Project, we've got the EU's Facets Project.

01:16:11.000 Are those essentially working in the same vein in terms of trying to physically construct a brain that is modeled after the human brain?

01:16:20.000 Yeah, that's one of the two broad approaches.

01:16:23.000 And you've got a lot of other people working in the more engineering approach.

01:16:27.000 Those two broad approaches I see as the fundamental two.

01:16:30.000 And there are all kinds of variants, but they're the two big ones.

01:16:33.000 Now we also have the BRAIN Initiative that's been funded by the Obama administration.

01:16:37.000 $200 million this year, $300 million next year.

01:16:39.000 That's half a billion dollars that they're funding.

01:16:43.000 They're saying that it is to the human brain what the Human Genome Project is to DNA, that was trying to sequence the DNA.

01:16:52.000 What do you know?

01:16:53.000 What do you think about the Brain Initiative Project?

01:16:58.000 I suspect it's a little bit of politics.

01:16:59.000 I think they're trying to catch up to the Europeans, who came out with a billion dollar Well, a billion euro actually is even more.

01:17:07.000 A brain project they gave to Professor, what was his name, Markram in Switzerland to fund him to create an artificial brain.

01:17:22.000 That mimics very closely, in fact, even to the level of the connection between two brain cells or two synapses, two neurons as they're called.

01:17:32.000 So he, Markram, what's his first name?

01:17:37.000 Henry.

01:17:38.000 Yeah, Henry Markram.

01:17:39.000 So he got a billion dollar research grant from the European Union.

01:17:44.000 To do this, to build an artificial brain.

01:17:47.000 And what you're just saying, just a little before, the half a billion dollar project, similarly in America, and the Japanese are also putting a lot of money in this.

01:17:58.000 The time is ripe.

01:18:00.000 The electronics, you're probably familiar with Moore's Law in electronics.

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01:18:29.000 So if you take any number and you multiply it by 2 by 2 by 2 by 2, you end up with a huge number.

01:18:33.000 So the number of transistors on today's chips is up in the, I think it's now into the tens of billions, right?

01:18:39.000 So you can put a lot of chips together in a computer box and you can make a very powerful system.

01:18:45.000 So the electronics is now enabling, readily, within reasonable costs, the production of artificial brains.

01:18:53.000 So it's not surprising you're seeing these artificial brain projects popping up all over the world, like mushrooms.

01:18:58.000 So I see it's only a question of time before I call it the IQ gap.

01:19:04.000 Yeah, you have several different arguments as to why you think this is going to lead to the rise of the artilikes in your book, and of course one of those is the military momentum argument, as you point out, an intelligence gap, just as we had a space gap with Sputnik.

01:19:20.000 You know, we got concerned about that.

01:19:22.000 There's always this competition between different governments that they don't want to get left behind militarily, and they tend to view everything from a military standpoint.

01:19:30.000 Actually, as Eisenhower pointed out, It's the military-industrial complex.

01:19:36.000 Part of it would be that it would take over pretty much all research at the universities.

01:19:40.000 And that's, I think, we're seeing a large part of that happening now as well.

01:19:44.000 I want to, when we get, we got to go to break, when we come back, I want you to lay out how you see this coming to a conflict.

01:19:51.000 And I want to talk about the time frame that you also see this happening.

01:19:55.000 Stay with us.

01:19:55.000 We're going to be right back.

01:19:56.000 We're talking to Dr. Hugo DeGaris, one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence.

01:20:01.000 We're talking about the Armlet War.

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01:24:22.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:24:23.000 I'm David Knight and we're talking to Dr. Hugo DeGaris from China right now.

01:24:28.000 It's where he is in the middle of the night, but he's graciously consented to come on and talk to us at this time.

01:24:34.000 And, Dr. DeGaris, there's an article that's up on The Guardian today.

01:24:37.000 Artificial intelligence and nanotechnology, quote, threaten civilization.

01:24:41.000 Of course, nanotech is one of the enabling technologies that you envision for a runaway god-like artificial intelligence to take place.

01:24:51.000 It has potential end-of-the-world problems itself, doesn't it, with grey goo?

01:24:59.000 Well, yeah, nanotech combined with superior knowledge on how the brain works coming from neuroscience, microelectronics or nano electronics, say a real wedding between those two.

01:25:12.000 So neuroscience on the one hand, and nano Electronics on the other hand and that that that is heating up already So in the 2020s, I think you'll start seeing what I call the IQ gap mentioning bit before Yes, the IQ gap between human level intelligence and machine and particularly home robot level intelligent that gap is In the 20s, 2020s, we'll seriously start to close.

01:25:39.000 And then you can imagine billions of people asking the same questions.

01:25:45.000 Are we going to allow machines to become as intelligent as we are?

01:25:48.000 Could they become more intelligent?

01:25:50.000 Isn't that threatening?

01:25:51.000 Is this something we can stop?

01:25:53.000 What about the rivalry between China and America for the dominant power of the planet?

01:25:59.000 That kind of thing.

01:26:01.000 I see a real debate heating up.

01:26:04.000 Well, it's starting a bit now.

01:26:05.000 I don't know if you're interested, but we could go through the various phases.

01:26:10.000 Yeah, and I want to just mention, I threw that term out there, grey goo.

01:26:12.000 For people who haven't looked at it, there's the idea that, again, nanotech could turn into a runaway process as well.

01:26:19.000 Just start replicating and essentially get out of control like the old science fiction movie, The Blob, with Steve McQueen in it.

01:26:28.000 So, all these technologies, there's a concern that it's going to reach some point, because technology is accelerating so fast, that there's a concern that it's going to reach a point at which it runs away from us.

01:26:39.000 And of course, you believe that with artificial intelligence, once it gets to a human level of independent thought, that it's going to essentially run away, because it's going to start redesigning and improving itself.

01:26:52.000 Is that correct?

01:26:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:57.000 Once you have a machine, remember, a machine is thinking a million times faster than we do, right?

01:27:03.000 Our human brain cells, we're thinking, well, our cells are communicating between each other at about 100 meters a second, that's the maximum speed, whereas an electronic brain, it would be thinking at the speed of light, right?

01:27:18.000 The signals between the components in electronics is the speed of light, which is a million times faster.

01:27:24.000 So these machines, when they start reaching human level of intelligence, plus their million-fold faster thinking speeds, very quickly they could redesign themselves, right?

01:27:35.000 And then the product could redesign itself, so on and so on.

01:27:39.000 And then you get a kind of acceleration, and so very quickly you get into hyper-intelligence.

01:27:44.000 And physics, the physics of computation, predicts that these machines could become literally trillions of trillions of times more intelligent than we are.

01:27:54.000 So they would be veritable gods.

01:27:57.000 I guess in the short term, one of the things that I'm more concerned about, of course, is the military, the kind of DARPA uses of machines.

01:28:04.000 You're saying that as robots go into our homes and so we start using them domestically, people, the mass public is going to look at this and say, wait a minute, these things are getting smarter every year.

01:28:14.000 They may wind up taking us over.

01:28:15.000 I'm concerned about the robots that we're seeing as we've had Dr. Noel Sharkey on.

01:28:21.000 He's concerned about killer robots, about Autonomous killing machines that we use as part of a military competition.

01:28:29.000 Worried about that getting out of hand.

01:28:30.000 You see a different way of this turning into an artificial intelligence war.

01:28:35.000 You see different factions breaking up over whether or not we should continue to move forward with technology versus those who say we need to put the brakes on it, stop it, or maybe even completely disassemble it.

01:28:47.000 Could you break that down for us real quickly here?

01:28:48.000 The Cosmos versus Terrans. 1.00

01:28:52.000 Well, those two scenarios you've been mentioning, I see they'll proceed in parallel.

01:28:58.000 The great rivalry between the rising China and the declining US.

01:29:05.000 So, imagine you're Minister of Defence and you have control of the research budget.

01:29:12.000 On one side, whether you're Chinese or American, you do not have the luxury to allow the other guy on the other side to get ahead of you in terms of, say, the level of intelligence of your soldier robots or whatever. 0.56

01:29:24.000 So that rival will go ahead.

01:29:26.000 But on the second scenario with the domestic side, the commercial, He's getting music.

01:29:34.000 Yes, yes.

01:29:35.000 Hang on.

01:29:35.000 We've got to go to a commercial break.

01:29:37.000 Right after the break, we're going to have Dr. DeGaris break down his central thesis that he put out in a book 10 years ago, Cosmos vs. Terrans, and see how this might break out other than a competition between military powers.

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01:33:41.000 Live from Austin, Texas, broadcasting worldwide, it's Alex Jones.

01:33:52.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show, I'm David Knight, and we have on the line with us Dr. Hugo DeGaris from China.

01:33:59.000 He's retired there now, but he's been one of the pioneers in artificial intelligence.

01:34:03.000 Ten years ago, he laid out a very formal case for an artificial intelligence war, a war over the development of artificial intelligence.

01:34:12.000 He saw this breaking down into two camps.

01:34:15.000 He termed those two camps Cosmos and Terrans, and so I want to get his definition of those two camps.

01:34:21.000 Now we want to talk about how close he thinks that is to happening, and I want to talk to him about what I would call, Dr. Garris, your conflict over seeing this Breaking out into possibly the extinction of the human species, yet nevertheless being drawn to continue the development of it anyway.

01:34:41.000 I guess I would call it the Daguerre's Paradox, maybe.

01:34:44.000 I want to talk to you about that because I think that's something that at every level scientists and engineers, especially those working with the military-industrial complex, need to be thinking through these issues, the ethical considerations about what they're doing, the consequences of what they're doing.

01:35:00.000 So I want to get to that, but before we do, Break down for us your idea of these two competing camps, the Cosmos and the Terrans. 0.99

01:35:07.000 Okay.

01:35:10.000 If you ask me what was the dominant global political question of the 19th century, I'd say probably it was Marx's question.

01:35:22.000 Who should own capital?

01:35:23.000 And that question just divided society bitterly into the communists and the capitalists.

01:35:29.000 And we almost had a nuclear war in 1962 over that relatively trivial issue.

01:35:36.000 But the equivalent dominant global political question for the 21st century, I see again in four words, and that would be, should humanity build artelects?

01:35:54.000 Now an artelect is an artificial intellect.

01:35:56.000 In other words, a godlike, massively intelligent machine with mental capacity, say, you know, trillions of trillions of times above the human level.

01:36:06.000 So the people I label in favour of building those god-like machines, it'd be a kind of religion for them almost.

01:36:13.000 I mean a scientifically based religion, but a religion in a certain sense.

01:36:17.000 Because they would be building gods, and that's a motivator.

01:36:23.000 And on the other hand, the people who are opposed to building these artilects, I call them Terrans. 1.00

01:36:30.000 That's not terror as in terrorist, but terra, the earth, because that's their perspective.

01:36:36.000 Their number one priority is that human beings should remain the dominant species and the most intelligent.

01:36:44.000 Whereas the cosmos, that's based on the word cosmos, the universe, that's their picture, because they see that if human beings If humanity does decide to build these god-like machines, these artilects, Then, probably very quickly, they would decide, you know, what are we doing on this little hick planet called the Earth, when there's a whole universe, you know, there's a whole cosmos out there to explore?

01:37:10.000 And that cosmos may contain beings far, far superior to what they are, these artilects, because they've been around for billions of years longer than we have.

01:37:20.000 Our sun, our star, is only, what, a third of the age of the universe?

01:37:26.000 Hang on just one second, Dr. DeGaris, because we're showing some of the slides that you had sent us about your presentation, and I'm looking at the one here where it has the stars and it says Cosmos, and it has cyborgs, which is Ray Kurzweil's understanding of this, and we see part man, part machine, and then the one in the middle, it says Terran, and it shows Terminator robot.

01:37:46.000 I would look at that as thinking that was kind of more on the Cosmos standpoint, but why would you choose the Terran for the Terran picture?

01:37:55.000 Why would you choose the Terminator robot?

01:37:57.000 Because the number one worry, concern of the Terrans is that if the Cosmos go ahead and actually build these Artileks and then the Artileks become massively intelligent and so superior to human beings that they look on us as an inferior pest Who's to say? 1.00

01:38:17.000 So that's the vision of each of these groups?

01:38:20.000 The vision of the cosmos is to reach out to the stars?

01:38:22.000 It's either their greatest vision, their greatest wonder, their sense of awe, or their greatest fear.

01:38:31.000 Let me interject in here just momentarily.

01:38:33.000 You know, Elon Musk is very concerned about a dystopian outcome from self-aware artificial intelligence.

01:38:40.000 I think it's interesting that he's also developing SpaceX.

01:38:44.000 You think he is trying to come up with a plan B so he's got a skateboard to get out of here in case this all goes down pretty bad?

01:38:54.000 I had a scenario in my book that a bunch of Cosmis researchers, they get in a rocket and try to escape from the Earth to get away from the Terrans. 1.00

01:39:01.000 Yes.

01:39:02.000 But the Terrans, I would argue, would be so fearful that if this escaping rocket did succeed in building Artelex, who's to say that the Artelex might decide, oh, we want to get back to the Earth, it's so full of raw materials.

01:39:15.000 That's true.

01:39:16.000 And we've seen a lot of aspects of your book, The Art Like War.

01:39:20.000 We've seen that mirrored in movies.

01:39:22.000 When you're talking about Cosmos trying to escape into a near-Earth orbit or whatever, to hide out, it reminds me of what we saw in Elysium.

01:39:32.000 And of course, with Transcendence, they borrowed quite liberally from your scenario, didn't they?

01:39:37.000 Yeah, there's an amusing little story behind Transcendence.

01:39:40.000 Do you want to hear it?

01:39:41.000 Sure, yeah, go ahead.

01:39:42.000 Okay, well a couple years back I got hired by Warner Brothers.

01:39:48.000 To be the tech advisor to a movie that was to be called Twilight Zone.

01:39:55.000 It was to be a remake of the popular 50s science fiction series, Twilight Zone.

01:40:01.000 And so I was trying to advise them strongly, saying, look, make the background story as realistic as possible, set maybe, I don't know, 10, 20 years in the future, where AI is really becoming not a piece of science fiction anymore, but it's getting Real.

01:40:19.000 Real A.I.

01:40:20.000 And to the point where people are getting alarmed, people are taking sides, vigilante groups are being set up.

01:40:28.000 Now in the movie Transcendence, that group was called Rift.

01:40:33.000 So in the movie, what was called Rift is the equivalent of what I call Terrance, so it's the same thing.

01:40:39.000 So I didn't hear anything for a while, so I assumed the movie just died.

01:40:45.000 That often happens in Hollywood.

01:40:47.000 And then suddenly up come flyers and Trailers for this movie, Transcendence, and I look at it and say, hey, hey, that's my story!

01:40:58.000 It happened because Transcendence is Warner Brothers, right?

01:41:02.000 It's a Warner Brothers merch.

01:41:04.000 So what I'm deeply suspicious happened was the ideas were transferred from my movie to the other movie and then that way they didn't have to pay me the five figure bonus for getting the movie filmed.

01:41:21.000 I'm feeling rather pissed.

01:41:23.000 That wouldn't be the first time something like that happened.

01:41:25.000 Now, you're looking at essentially a conflict.

01:41:28.000 People being concerned because they see rapidly advancing artificial intelligence.

01:41:32.000 Perhaps they see control of their life slipping away.

01:41:35.000 Increasingly power being concentrated.

01:41:38.000 Maybe there's massive unemployment.

01:41:40.000 That people are concerned about because of the use of lower-level artificial intelligence.

01:41:46.000 So people start to push back against it, especially those who are concerned that it may become the kind of threat that we saw in the Terminator movie.

01:41:53.000 We're talking about movies, you know, where Skynet becomes self-aware.

01:41:57.000 And then they start acting like we saw Sarah Connors act in Terminator 2, where she starts going after, let's say, key scientists.

01:42:05.000 We actually had this already happen in real life, didn't we, with the Unabomber, with Ted Kaczynski going out.

01:42:10.000 If you look at his manifesto, that's exactly what he was concerned about.

01:42:13.000 He was targeting what he thought were key scientists, doing it in a very violent way, trying to blow them up with letter bombs and that sort of thing.

01:42:21.000 But that's essentially what you see happening.

01:42:24.000 Even if we don't get to the level where we have super-intelligent artificial intelligences that become self-aware, the artilex, as you refer to them, Even if that doesn't happen prior to that, it would be the idea of it or the implementation of the early stages of it would set different camps in humanity against each other into a violent war.

01:42:46.000 Yeah, yeah, indeed.

01:42:49.000 It depends on whether the level of development of artificial intelligence is quick or slow.

01:42:56.000 The guys, the specialists in this area, they talk about slow take-off and fast take-off.

01:43:03.000 I don't know if you're familiar with those terms.

01:43:05.000 So if there's a fast take-off, meaning that these machines rapidly become ultra-intelligent, Then there may not be enough time for human politics to unfold.

01:43:17.000 So they're just there.

01:43:18.000 It's just incomplete.

01:43:20.000 And so then humanity's fate would lie in the hands of these outlets.

01:43:25.000 But I think it's more realistic to say probably there's going to be a slow take-off.

01:43:29.000 Because trying to figure out how the human brain works is a very, very difficult problem.

01:43:35.000 So probably the most realistic scenario is I see that human Humanity will have enough time to react politically as these machines get smarter and smarter.

01:43:46.000 And the time frame, you mentioned a bit about the time frame, I see the home robot industry becoming one of the biggest and richest in the world, say by the end of the 20s, so say a decade, decade and a half from now.

01:44:02.000 And so as they become, these machines become more and more intelligent and more and more useful, Then people will buy them because if these machines truly can walk the dog and babysit the kids and tell you stories and entertain you and sex you and educate you and all these things, people will pay big money, maybe even more than for a car, just to have a home robot.

01:44:24.000 And then, of course, a year or two later, you know, they upgrade their model, you know, they go and trade in their old one for a new one, and the new one has a much richer vocabulary and a sense of humor and it's cynical and it can do far more things.

01:44:36.000 Then, once you've had several upgrades like this, then millions, you know, billions of people will be asking the same questions.

01:44:43.000 Will these machines become smarter than we are?

01:44:47.000 And then that will set what I call the species dominance debate.

01:44:52.000 You know, really start raging in the 2020s.

01:44:56.000 Perhaps, Dr. DeGaris, what might happen as we become increasingly dependent on them might be an extrapolation of the same thing we see as people become increasingly self-absorbed into social media and games.

01:45:08.000 We might see the human race not being necessarily overtaken by the machines that make it.

01:45:13.000 Human race will descend into some kind of an idiocracy that is below the level of the machines that we currently have now.

01:45:20.000 So we've talked about the economic momentum that might lead to this.

01:45:22.000 We've talked about the military momentum, the competition between nation states that might drive this kind of rise of artificial intelligence.

01:45:31.000 I want to talk about your argument that you make in the book, that what really kind of motivates you, even though you think this might result in the extinction of the human species, you're driven to do it because you see yourself almost, as you mentioned earlier, a scientific religion.

01:45:47.000 The enticement of building artificial gods.

01:45:51.000 That's something that motivates you very strongly, isn't it?

01:45:55.000 Well, don't forget I'm retired.

01:45:58.000 See, I do not want to be assassinated by Terran assassins.

01:46:04.000 That'll be for younger guys.

01:46:06.000 So for all you potential Terran assassins out there, just don't forget that. 0.60

01:46:12.000 I'm retired.

01:46:13.000 I don't do this stuff anymore.

01:46:15.000 No, no, I'm a Globocator.

01:46:17.000 I make YouTube videos for PhD level math and physics to educate the planet for free.

01:46:22.000 That's my new career.

01:46:23.000 So I don't actually build artificial brains anymore.

01:46:26.000 And what's that website?

01:46:27.000 Go ahead and tell everybody what that website is.

01:46:32.000 Can you show it on screen?

01:46:34.000 So it's Proff?

01:46:36.000 Yes.

01:46:38.000 Are you able to show it on screen?

01:46:39.000 Yes, yes we can, yes.

01:46:40.000 Proff Hugo DeGaris?

01:46:42.000 Is that what it is?

01:46:44.000 Yes.

01:46:44.000 Do you have the actual...

01:46:46.000 They've got it up right now.

01:46:47.000 ProfHugoDaguerres.wordpress.com.

01:46:50.000 And people can see that up there right now.

01:46:52.000 Okay.

01:46:53.000 And so that's what you're doing right now as a retired person.

01:46:55.000 So if you're out there and you're angry and you want to pull a Unabomber Ted Kaczynski on somebody, he's not your man.

01:47:03.000 Leave him alone.

01:47:04.000 He's just looking at this stuff and talking about the argument behind it.

01:47:07.000 Yes, go ahead.

01:47:08.000 Right.

01:47:09.000 So I've been advising my friends and colleagues, like for example, those who are...

01:47:18.000 Those who are active, they're going to have to be increasingly careful.

01:47:23.000 It's too soon now, but when they get into the 2020s and the species dominance debate really starts heating up, shouldn't humanity build artilleries?

01:47:35.000 That question is on everyone's mind.

01:47:38.000 Then all these nutcases will come out of the woodwork, and so these developers will have to be very careful where they go, appearing in public and so forth.

01:47:47.000 And I can imagine companies like IBM and Google and so on, they will definitely have to beef up their security.

01:47:55.000 Yes, it's something that everybody is talking about now in the mainstream media, at least the idea that there is a potential of some kind of a threat down the road.

01:48:02.000 This was not something that anybody other than sites like Infowars was talking about a few years ago.

01:48:07.000 We've been talking about how this might go down badly and of course we were just dismissed as wide-eyed conspiracy theorists.

01:48:13.000 I'm sure you've had a lot of people tell you they think that this is pure fantasy as well.

01:48:19.000 Yeah, well now the idea's out there, right?

01:48:22.000 Because of the movie Transcendence.

01:48:24.000 Millions of people have seen that movie and the idea's in their heads.

01:48:27.000 So, you know, what did Rift do?

01:48:31.000 They were assassinating the principal artificial brain researchers and sabotaging the artificial brain companies and so forth.

01:48:39.000 So Google, IBM, etc., they need to, you know, Pay attention.

01:48:44.000 This is something that will very probably happen in the 2020s.

01:48:47.000 That's my prediction.

01:48:49.000 That's my time frame.

01:48:50.000 Talk to us a little bit about this conflict that you have, about wanting to build this massively intelligent artificial intelligence, even though you think that it may have a dystopian outcome.

01:49:02.000 The fact that you're concerned about this, you have arguments on both sides, for the Cosmists, as you call them, and as for the Terrans, who are opposed to this kind of, or concerned about how this is going to get out of hand.

01:49:14.000 Yet, you yourself describe yourself pretty much in the cosmos camp.

01:49:18.000 You're really drawn to the idea, not that you're doing the research anymore, but you're drawn to the idea that we need to create these god-like artificial intelligences that may kill us.

01:49:32.000 I find that paradox to be very interesting.

01:49:35.000 Yeah, well, I'm torn.

01:49:40.000 For a decade or two?

01:49:42.000 I'd give lots of talks, and I still do, and I'll invite the audience to vote.

01:49:49.000 I'll say, OK, you've been presented with the arguments, pro and con, shoot humanity, build these artilects or not.

01:49:54.000 Let's take a vote.

01:49:55.000 And often the split would be pretty well 50-50, pro-artilect and against building artilects.

01:50:03.000 And then people after a while would come up to me and say, Hugo, I'm so torn.

01:50:09.000 You know, on the one hand, the idea that billions of human beings might get exterminated as a result of this, that absolutely horrifies me.

01:50:18.000 And it does me too, of course, personally.

01:50:20.000 And on the other hand, building these god-like creatures is like hypnotic, right? 0.80

01:50:26.000 It's our pathetic, puny, Little human lives that get snuffed out in a mere 80 years in a universe that's billions of years old. 0.90

01:50:38.000 You know, that's the kind of vision that the Cosmists had. 0.98

01:50:42.000 They would be building gods that would be immortal.

01:50:45.000 We've got to go up to a commercial break.

01:50:47.000 Hang on, Dr. Daguerreis.

01:50:48.000 We've got to go to a commercial break.

01:50:49.000 We're going to come back with Dr. Hugo Daguerreis, artificial intelligence pioneer.

01:50:52.000 We're talking about the first artificial intelligence wars, what that may be based on.

01:50:57.000 We're going to talk when we come back about some of the objections that people have brought up to the idea that this could happen.

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01:55:03.000 Dr. DeGaris, we've been talking about the coming conflict over artificial intelligence, whether or not we should proceed with that.

01:55:11.000 One of the things that concerns me is that artificial intelligence as a weapon by Small elite group that we've seen the as we talked about the military aspect the military composite competition between different countries We see really I think the thing that concerns me as an engineer.

01:55:30.000 I can Consistently see technology being used now in a very dark way And I think it's because as Eisenhower warned us with a military industrial complex.

01:55:40.000 We see really that DARPA and military Industrial complex is pretty much taken over research at the university.

01:55:46.000 I'm concerned that Whenever we see in the past throughout history whenever technology is widely disseminated Then we have liberty we have a freedom of the people, but when it is concentrated in the hands of a few Then we see that Society trends towards a tyranny and despotism, so that's one of the things that concerns me about artificial intelligence

01:56:11.000 Well, personally, I have a real hatred of the International Central Banksters and all their cronies and all the horrible things they've done in the 20th century.

01:56:21.000 I'd like to see those guys put behind bars.

01:56:25.000 I share a lot of your goals that way.

01:56:28.000 One of the reasons why I see the Terrans becoming absolutely paranoid is that it may be technologically possible within a decade or so for just a small team of Cosmists in their basement to build artificial brains that then accelerate into hyper intelligence very quickly. 0.99

01:56:49.000 And so I can imagine the Terrans at government level Going on a kind of witch hunt. 1.00

01:56:56.000 They'll be sneaking into everybody's lives trying to, you know, is this guy a Cosmis? 1.00

01:57:01.000 Is that guy a Cosmis?

01:57:02.000 And so on.

01:57:03.000 Or there may be people at the governmental level that are using the work of the Cosmists for their own particular agenda.

01:57:10.000 That's what really concerns me.

01:57:11.000 Yeah, well, I've got a book chapter coming out pretty soon.

01:57:15.000 How will the Artelect War start? 0.66

01:57:19.000 You're trying to dream up various scenarios, and who knows, there may be even at government level, different governments, some Terran, some Cosmos, and eventually it goes nuclear, so there you get your gigadeth.

01:57:33.000 So it's very hard to predict the detailed scenario that will actually unfold, but the debate will heat up in the late teens.

01:57:41.000 It's starting now, right?

01:57:43.000 In the 20s it'll get hot.

01:57:45.000 In the 30s, I predict it'll go political.

01:57:48.000 We'll be into what I call the fourth phase, the political phase.

01:57:51.000 You'll start getting the terrorism and the sabotage and the assassinations and so forth.

01:57:56.000 And then after that, well, you know, it's very hard to predict.

01:58:00.000 But it's such an issue that will dominate and divide humanity so bitterly because the two ideologies are just so powerful.

01:58:08.000 On the one hand, you'd be building gods.

01:58:12.000 And on the other hand, you're risking the survival of the human species.

01:58:16.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:58:17.000 And the question is, just kind of like you mentioned, they were initially talking about your Twilight Zone movie, there was a Twilight Zone episode that was called To Serve Man.

01:58:26.000 These aliens who come in and give this beneficial technology to people, and then at the end of the episode, somebody sneaks into the ship and sees that To Serve Man is actually a cookbook.

01:58:34.000 And so that's what we always need to worry about with this.

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02:00:35.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:00:36.000 I'm David Knight, your host, and we have with us from China, Dr. Hugo de Geras on the line.

02:00:42.000 We've been talking about his book, The Artelect War, which is a scenario for the first wars over artificial intelligence.

02:00:49.000 Whether or not we should proceed down that path.

02:00:52.000 Two different factions.

02:00:53.000 Of course, as we were talking about in the last segment, I'm also, I'm personally concerned, as we talk about quite often here at InfoWars, the misuse of technology.

02:01:02.000 Technology being taken over by DARPA, by the military-industrial complex, and used for war.

02:01:08.000 And of course, as Dr. DeGaris pointed out, he is against that as well.

02:01:13.000 It is a force that is very difficult to keep that genie in the bottle.

02:01:17.000 One of the arguments that he has in his book for why this will proceed besides economic momentum, of course, is the military momentum.

02:01:24.000 The fear that some other country will have that capability and you won't.

02:01:29.000 So that drives that kind of development.

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02:01:44.000 And I wanted to throw out to you, Dr. DeGaris, some of the objections that you address in the back of your book, for example.

02:01:52.000 Why not cyborgs, like Ray Kurzweil talks about?

02:01:55.000 Man merging with machines.

02:02:01.000 At the beginning of the book, I tried to keep things simple, so I really only wanted like two camps.

02:02:08.000 But in reality, I accept there will be a third camp, the so-called cyborgs, cybernetic organisms.

02:02:15.000 In other words, part machine and part human.

02:02:18.000 So you could, well, you know, I don't know if you can see this.

02:02:23.000 I'm adding components to my own brain and updating my own brain.

02:02:30.000 I can become more capable, think faster, greater memory, and so forth.

02:02:33.000 So, I think there will be millions of people who want to become cyborgs.

02:02:39.000 And the big dream of the cyborgs, of course, is that they want to become arselic gods themselves.

02:02:45.000 Yes, and that's a large part of the research that we see being done by DARPA, augmenting humans with mechanical and means to create, essentially, a super soldier.

02:02:55.000 Right, now the main argument against it is that if you take, you know, with nanotech, if you take, I don't know if you can see it, but imagine between my thumb and finger I have a single grain of sand, imagine, but it's been nanoteched so that it can manipulate one bit of information on one atom, okay, so one bit per atom.

02:03:19.000 And this atom can switch back and forth.

02:03:21.000 Excited, not excited.

02:03:23.000 Excited, not excited.

02:03:24.000 It can switch back and forth in a femtosecond.

02:03:27.000 So that's a thousandth of a trillionth of a second.

02:03:30.000 But you can calculate pretty readily how many atoms in a single grain of sand, let's say a cubic millimeter.

02:03:36.000 When you do the math, it works out that that single grain of sand can outperform, in computer terms, The computing capacity estimated of the human brain by a factor of a quintillion, that's a million trillion times more than the brain.

02:03:56.000 So my argument against the cosmos is that effectively, if they start adding these grains of sand to their own brain, very quickly, they're no longer human, right?

02:04:06.000 They're artilects.

02:04:08.000 Maybe in human disguise, but effectively they're artilects.

02:04:11.000 So from the point of view of the Terrans, they will just simply lump the cyborgists, the people who want to be cyborgs, and the Cosmists into the same camp. 0.83

02:04:21.000 They're effectively the same group.

02:04:23.000 Because once the technology becomes advanced enough, there's not much difference between a pure machine, a pure artilect, and a cyborg.

02:04:33.000 Effectively they're the same.

02:04:34.000 So really, I get back to the two major camps, the Cosmists on the one hand and the Terrans on the other. 1.00

02:04:41.000 Okay, we've got to go to a commercial break.

02:04:43.000 We've got the phone lines lit up.

02:04:45.000 We've got a lot of people who want to ask you calls.

02:04:47.000 When we come back, I've got one more question I want to ask you that we'll briefly address, and then we can go to our callers.

02:04:52.000 And that is, why not do what Isaac Asimov said?

02:04:55.000 Why not have a positronic brain with preventative laws of robots?

02:04:59.000 Essentially a kill switch.

02:05:00.000 So we'll get Dr. DeGarris' answer.

02:05:03.000 I've read his answer in the book.

02:05:04.000 You can get that book as The Artelect War.

02:05:07.000 Cosmis vs. Terrence.

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02:08:58.000 Welcome back to the Alex Schoen.

02:09:05.000 We have with us Dr. Hugo de Guerras.

02:09:05.000 I'm David Knight.

02:09:08.000 He's on the line from China.

02:09:09.000 He has been a pioneer researcher in the field of artificial intelligence.

02:09:14.000 Also, especially in the subfield of evolvable hardware.

02:09:17.000 We haven't really talked about that, but he does cover that quite a bit in his book, The Artelect War.

02:09:21.000 We were looking at how this might go down badly because that was the central thesis of his book The Art Like War.

02:09:29.000 How artificial intelligence would become essentially self-aware as we've seen in the Terminator movie.

02:09:35.000 That's probably the most famous example in pop culture.

02:09:40.000 There are a lot of people who are concerned that this may go down badly.

02:09:42.000 We've got Elon Musk setting up a 10 million dollar foundation to try to make sure that Artificial intelligence stays under control, but Dr. DeGaris doesn't believe that it can be controlled in the long term.

02:09:55.000 And I guess, Dr. DeGaris, we're going to take some phone calls.

02:09:57.000 People have questions.

02:09:58.000 One quick question.

02:10:00.000 Many people have asked you in the past, why not just design a kill switch?

02:10:03.000 Why not put something like Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics inside of these artificial intelligences to keep them under control?

02:10:13.000 Well there's a big debate going on right now amongst the specialists and they call the concept friendly AI and personally I think it's I'm very cynical that this can be done I mean what you're talking about is designing a machine so that it remains human friendly and No matter how advanced, when it re-designs itself in the future.

02:10:36.000 So Machine 1 re-designs Machine 2 and remains human-friendly, which designs Machine 3 and so on and remains human-friendly until it becomes like a trillion times more capable than human beings and it's still human-friendly.

02:10:51.000 I find that idea ridiculous. 0.93

02:10:52.000 I mean, it's just so arrogant and it's just a farce. 0.54

02:10:57.000 Now, at the beginning, perhaps the brain builders can create a friendly AI to begin with. 0.93

02:11:03.000 But once these machines start becoming really smart and they redesign themselves and so forth, the idea that they will always remain human-friendly, I just find ridiculous.

02:11:13.000 Once they get to the level of human intelligence, we're going to have the same problem we have with humans.

02:11:16.000 We've got a lot of humans who are not human-friendly, don't we?

02:11:19.000 Let's go to some of the callers and give them a chance to ask some questions.

02:11:22.000 Let's go to Artie in Canada.

02:11:24.000 Artie, go ahead.

02:11:25.000 Thank you, David.

02:11:27.000 The author, Annie Jacobson, is completing a trilogy of books when she publishes her third book this fall, and it's all about her research into DARPA and Pentagon development of artificial intelligence.

02:11:40.000 And she said that it was this research that scared her the most.

02:11:44.000 I'm wondering if Dr. Degarek was contacted by Annie Jacobson.

02:11:50.000 No, no.

02:11:52.000 I've not heard that name before.

02:11:55.000 Dr. Begaris has been in China before he retired.

02:11:59.000 He was in China, so probably you weren't really involved with the DARPA project, but every government is essentially going to be going down this military path, aren't they, Dr. Begaris?

02:12:09.000 Well, I know the Chinese are. 1.00

02:12:12.000 There's a whole bunch of billionaires in China, in Beijing, and they're getting into this And Ben Goertzel probably may set up an AGI institute, that's quite likely, in the near future in Beijing.

02:12:32.000 So the rivalry is heating up between China and America on this kind of stuff.

02:12:39.000 Like I say, one side does not have the luxury to allow the other side to get too far ahead of it.

02:12:44.000 So it'll be a kind of ratcheting up.

02:12:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:12:49.000 As we've seen in every other kind of arms race.

02:12:52.000 Artie, was there anything else that you wanted to add to that?

02:12:53.000 As you point out, somebody wrote a book, they said the thing that scared them most in terms of researching DARPA was the artificial intelligence aspect.

02:13:00.000 Was there anything else you wanted to add to that?

02:13:02.000 Well, as a Christian, I don't believe that artificial intelligence can take on selfhood, unless we're actually possessed by a spiritual entity, because only selfhood and will are intrinsic only to a spiritual entirety.

02:13:23.000 Yeah, I would kind of follow along that line.

02:13:25.000 I would phrase it a little bit differently as a Christian.

02:13:26.000 I look at it and I say, well, You know, we make the arguments about increased computational power and Moore's Law, but essentially, you know, computational power doesn't necessarily get you to consciousness.

02:13:38.000 I know that you take a different view of that, Dr. DeGaris, that you believe that it will eventually happen, because you're looking at it from a strictly physical standpoint.

02:13:47.000 We're looking at it from a, I guess you could say, a more medical, metaphysical standpoint.

02:13:53.000 Yeah, philosophically, I'm a physicalist.

02:13:57.000 Human babies get built, of course.

02:13:59.000 They start off as a fertilized single egg, and it multiplies and multiplies, you know, two, four, eight, sixteen, thirty, to a hundred trillion cells.

02:14:07.000 But the whole thing gets built, and that's what DNA is all about.

02:14:11.000 It's a kind of self-assembly instruction molecule, a piece of software, if you like.

02:14:17.000 And all that software, and all those cells, they're all just molecules, right?

02:14:23.000 At that scale of things, there's not much difference between a machine, with all its carbon and so forth, and a human being.

02:14:30.000 It's all molecules.

02:14:31.000 It's just a different structure of molecules.

02:14:36.000 I'm not religious in that sense.

02:14:37.000 I consider that from a bygone age.

02:14:40.000 Well, yeah, I would agree with you.

02:14:42.000 I don't want to turn this into a religious discussion, but yeah, I don't have a intellectual problem with God because I see intelligent design there.

02:14:53.000 So I believe that these things are not self-organized.

02:14:56.000 The components of an artificial brain aren't going to assemble themselves on a desk.

02:15:02.000 It needs a designer like you, for example, to put it together.

02:15:06.000 Well in terms of ID, Intelligent Design, I'm very open to that because the math and physics, see I now teach PhD level math and physics and so I know a lot of that stuff and personally, now just my personal view, that I wouldn't be at all surprised that the laws of physics have been actually designed and I'm deeply suspicious that that's the case because why on earth is the universe, why are the laws of physics so deeply mathematical?

02:15:37.000 That was Crick and Watson.

02:15:38.000 At least one of them put out the idea of panspermia after he looked at DNA.

02:15:42.000 He said, hey, this is a program.

02:15:44.000 This is built.

02:15:45.000 Of course, he didn't want to embrace the God of the Bible, so he created some aliens who would come and do that. 0.97

02:15:51.000 But I want to get back to some of the other calls.

02:15:53.000 Let's go to Brian in Indiana.

02:15:55.000 Brian?

02:15:55.000 Are you still there?

02:15:58.000 OK, let's go to JD in Mississippi.

02:16:04.000 Okay, let's go to Michael in Missouri.

02:16:06.000 Michael, go ahead.

02:16:09.000 Yeah, how you doing, David?

02:16:10.000 Good, go ahead.

02:16:11.000 Yeah, first I just want to say something that you'll probably be interested in just real quick before I ask my question.

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02:16:33.000 That's good.

02:16:34.000 Yeah, do you have a question for Dr. DeGaris on Artificial Intelligence?

02:16:37.000 I promise.

02:16:37.000 That's good.

02:16:39.000 Yeah, do you have a question for Dr. DeGarris on artificial intelligence?

02:16:41.000 I was wondering if he's ever read the book The Feed that came out in probably the last 15 years.

02:16:48.000 And if he has, does he think that, I mean, it's a fictional book, but is that where we're headed?

02:16:54.000 Because that, I mean, I don't want to be going there.

02:16:58.000 What's the premise of that book?

02:17:01.000 Uh, where most of the population live in huge cities all over the country and they travel on up cars, do tubes.

02:17:10.000 And there's a small population of people who don't have any chips in them.

02:17:15.000 Oh, kind of like Agenda 21, in other words.

02:17:17.000 I've read that book, too.

02:17:21.000 Dr. DeGaris, did you have any comment on that?

02:17:23.000 It's a little bit off-topic.

02:17:25.000 I've never read that particular book, but I'm scared stiff at this idea of chipping the population.

02:17:31.000 What the New World Order is all about, that scares me crazy.

02:17:34.000 Yes, yes, we share that concern, absolutely.

02:17:37.000 Let's go to Eric in Michigan.

02:17:38.000 Eric.

02:17:39.000 Hi Dave, thanks for taking my call.

02:17:43.000 Dr. Hugo, I've heard you a number of times today refer to these machines as gods, as creating gods.

02:17:56.000 Also, you're referring to the human race as having feeble lives, and the fact that our lives are so short.

02:18:07.000 I don't know.

02:18:09.000 Wouldn't we be the gods if we're the ones that are creating the machines, just like many people believe that a god created our universe?

02:18:23.000 Well, I think, Dr. Garrison, do you want to address that?

02:18:25.000 I think your idea is that once they get to a certain level, they would transcend us.

02:18:31.000 Yes.

02:18:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:18:33.000 That's the obvious answer.

02:18:34.000 I mean, obviously we, as humans, we would be the parents.

02:18:39.000 We would kick off.

02:18:40.000 We would start the process.

02:18:42.000 And then very quickly, they would just gather their own momentum and just do it themselves.

02:18:49.000 And very quickly, we human beings, we wouldn't be able to understand what they were doing.

02:18:53.000 I mean, they're thinking a million times faster than we are.

02:18:55.000 They're growing their circuitry at a rate that we couldn't understand.

02:18:58.000 They could rearrange their circuitry and architecture in, like, milliseconds.

02:19:03.000 We would just be absolutely lost.

02:19:05.000 But yes, we are at square zero.

02:19:08.000 We start the process.

02:19:09.000 We kick it off.

02:19:10.000 And then it goes ahead on its own momentum.

02:19:13.000 The idea that once it gets to a certain level of intelligence and capable of independent thought, that you would have something similar to what we saw portrayed in the movie Terminator, when Skynet becomes self-aware.

02:19:23.000 Or you might think of the intelligence as reaching a critical mass, if you want to use a nuclear analogy.

02:19:29.000 Once it reaches a critical mass, all of a sudden it just explodes and starts to go.

02:19:33.000 And as you point out, the real question is whether or not it's going to happen quickly or over a slower period of time.

02:19:39.000 Let's go to Dennis in Colorado.

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02:19:42.000 Oh wait!

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02:24:26.000 I'm David Knight and we're talking to Dr. Hugo DeGaris, one of the pioneers in artificial intelligence.

02:24:31.000 We're talking to him about his book, The Artillac War, about the first war of artificial intelligence.

02:24:38.000 Actually a war over whether artificial intelligence should be developed.

02:24:41.000 Whether or not we're going to have super intelligent machines that might threaten the existence of mankind.

02:24:47.000 Dr. DeGaris takes a dystopian view of A long term over artificial intelligence versus Ray Kurzweil's decidedly utopian view.

02:24:56.000 I want to get to your calls and questions.

02:24:58.000 We just have them for one more second.

02:25:00.000 So let's try to go through these as quickly as we can.

02:25:02.000 Let's go to Al in Arkansas.

02:25:04.000 Al.

02:25:07.000 Dr. DeGears, I guess not as much of a question as it is a comment as a Christian.

02:25:13.000 But I believe that when man exalts himself to a situation of trying to make itself God, that we will suffer God's wrath.

02:25:22.000 Do you have any comment about that?

02:25:23.000 And that's just my question, I guess.

02:25:28.000 Well, I'm not religious.

02:25:34.000 Humanity has invented about a hundred thousand different gods over the broad sweep of history and over the planet.

02:25:41.000 Every primitive little tribe invents its own gods. 1.00

02:25:44.000 So I'm somewhat cynical of one particular... Like, everyone's an atheist. 0.99

02:25:49.000 You've probably heard this argument before.

02:25:50.000 Everyone's an atheist with respect to the 99.9999% of gods that they don't believe in.

02:25:56.000 And the atheist just goes one step further.

02:26:00.000 Okay, yeah, I think what the caller is getting at is the, actually goes back to one of the first stories in the Bible, in the Garden of Eden, where the promise was, you will become like God, and I guess that's always been an enticement to motivate people.

02:26:12.000 Let's go to JD in Mississippi.

02:26:15.000 JD, you had a question about drones for Dr. Hugo DeGaris.

02:26:19.000 Go ahead.

02:26:20.000 Yes, I was wondering, I might be a little bit naive on the subject, but how will How will they get by the failsafe switch or the kill switch?

02:26:31.000 And also, how will drones refuel themselves?

02:26:36.000 Or will they just have so many of them that it won't matter?

02:26:40.000 You know, will they just, you know, there'll be so many of them that...

02:26:44.000 Yeah, it's like a swarm.

02:26:46.000 Well, Dr. DeGaris is really kind of talking about a different kind of thing.

02:26:49.000 He's talking about massively intelligent artificial intelligence, but of course, autonomous drones, that is maybe one way that we may see some manifestation of some early artificial intelligence, isn't it, Dr. DeGaris?

02:27:03.000 Well, I imagine drones, in fact, I think it's already been done.

02:27:06.000 I'm not an expert in this field.

02:27:09.000 There are drones like the size of a centimetre, really, really tiny.

02:27:15.000 Micro UAVs.

02:27:17.000 So once the resolution of the cameras and control, once all those technical problems have been solved, and for all I know that's already the case, Then I can imagine this spying just going on everywhere, all over the planet, including the things that the governments want to keep secret.

02:27:35.000 So it's a two-edged sword.

02:27:37.000 So then the public becomes more aware of the so-called secret installations and all these bunkers underneath, under the ground and so on.

02:27:47.000 Governments have a really hard time keeping anything secret.

02:27:50.000 Yes, that's right.

02:27:51.000 I hope that kind of thing happens.

02:27:53.000 What we're seeing right now with drones is essentially like remote control killing devices.

02:27:57.000 We even had an article earlier this week that was on the Drudge Report about some police departments using remote control mechanical cops.

02:28:04.000 I mean, that's not what we're talking about here in terms of artificial intelligence.

02:28:08.000 But, you know, that is, I think, what most people are thinking about in terms of the projection of power, the concentration of power.

02:28:16.000 Let's go quickly to Brian in Indiana.

02:28:18.000 Brian?

02:28:20.000 Hello?

02:28:21.000 Hello, go ahead.

02:28:22.000 Thank you, thank you.

02:28:24.000 Thanks, David.

02:28:25.000 My question was about the possible malevolence versus benevolence of AI, you know, as seen in Isaac Asimov's The Last Question, if you're familiar with the story, versus like, what do you call it, I'm sorry, Prey by Michael Crichton, if you're familiar with that story too.

02:28:45.000 I'm not clear what the question is.

02:28:48.000 I think he's asking maybe the AIs will be benevolent.

02:28:52.000 I know that the movie that recently came out, Ray Kurzweil was very excited about that because basically they reached a point where they say, yeah, you guys are fine, but you're really not very interesting.

02:29:01.000 They just basically go off on their own and do their own thing.

02:29:05.000 Well, I see both.

02:29:07.000 I mean, obviously there'll be real benefits.

02:29:10.000 We can get rid of cancer and disease and aging and all this wonderful nano stuff on the positive side.

02:29:16.000 I don't deny that.

02:29:18.000 There'll be definitely both aspects.

02:29:20.000 But it's the negative that really worries me.

02:29:22.000 Once these machines become massively intelligent, then who's to say that they may look on us as pests and decide to wipe us out?

02:29:31.000 That's what really worries me.

02:29:33.000 Yes, and I'm concerned, as I know you are, Dr. DeGaris, as to what our governments are going to do with the technology that we hand them.

02:29:41.000 That's why I think it's a very interesting paradox for people who are in engineering and science to think about the consequences of what they're developing.

02:29:49.000 Thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Hugo DeGaris.

02:29:52.000 Again, that book is The Artillac War.

02:29:54.000 Ten years old, but very relevant today.

02:29:56.000 Today it's in the discussion.

02:29:57.000 We'll be right back with Paul Joseph Watson.

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02:33:32.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

02:33:43.000 I'm David Knight and joining me in the studio right now is Anthony Gucciardi.

02:33:47.000 Yeah, we talk, we have the bumper music from Tennessee Henry Ford's about 16 tons, 16 tons.

02:33:53.000 What do you get?

02:33:53.000 Well, he's got an article up 2,500 tons of fake food.

02:33:57.000 Tell us about that, Anthony.

02:33:58.000 That's right.

02:33:59.000 So overall, we keep hearing about all of these, you know, horse meat substitutes being put into burgers and everything, but it turns out it's much, much, much worse than that.

02:34:08.000 An Interpol with Europol seized 2,500 tons of actually fake food.

02:34:14.000 Not just bad fast food, we're talking about vodka that was made in antifreeze containers that had antifreeze in it, and they would scrub it out with different chemicals to get rid of the scent, put vodka in it, and sell it as premium brands across the world.

02:34:27.000 Wow.

02:34:28.000 And they had seafood, they had lobsters being sold that were completely fake, mineral water, dietary supplements.

02:34:34.000 As we found out from New York, the Attorney General found that about 80% of the supplements you get at Walmart and stuff like that and pharmaceutical drugstores are actually completely fake.

02:34:43.000 So, this is just one investigation that lasted two months.

02:34:46.000 They found 2,500 tons of completely fraudulent fake food.

02:34:51.000 And people are thinking that they're getting nutritious items or counting their calories and everything.

02:34:57.000 It turns out that in many cases, you're not even eating what you think you are, let alone trying to avoid the additives and everything, which just blows my mind and highlights everything we continue to talk about to know what you're actually getting every single time.

02:35:09.000 Absolutely.

02:35:10.000 We talk about this vaccine thing, and a lot of people electress on, you know, well this is how vaccines work, you know, they create a response in the body and the body creates antibodies and everything.

02:35:18.000 We're not talking about that!

02:35:19.000 We're talking about the fast food french fries that are not simply potatoes, if they even have potatoes in them.

02:35:26.000 Because they've added all kinds of preservatives to them, they've added some of the ingredients to Silly Putty or whatever.

02:35:30.000 You've got the situation that we talked about, covered on the news, in Iceland, where McDonald's shut down in Iceland in 2009.

02:35:39.000 On the last day, a guy went in and bought a cheeseburger and fries.

02:35:42.000 He's had it under a glass container.

02:35:44.000 You can watch a live stream of that.

02:35:46.000 It hasn't changed in appearance now for six years.

02:35:49.000 So, you know, we're not talking about, you know, it's all about the full spectrum.

02:35:54.000 Even when we talk about vaccines, we're talking about what has been added to them or doing them in combination.

02:35:59.000 I mean, a lot of different aspects of it.

02:36:01.000 It's not just as simple as like, well, you know, this is food.

02:36:03.000 The food is used by your body to build bones and everything.

02:36:06.000 It's like, no, there's other stuff in the food as well, even if it is food.

02:36:10.000 Exactly, and I want to go through the list of top items that have been found to be completely counterfeit.

02:36:15.000 Number one is seafood.

02:36:17.000 Number two is mineral water.

02:36:19.000 Three dietary supplements with the herbs that aren't actually in the supplement.

02:36:22.000 They find it necessary to fake water?

02:36:24.000 Absolutely!

02:36:26.000 Well, it's big business because they can just take tap water and dump it in a bottle of water, usually plastic full of BPA, and sell it for three dollars.

02:36:33.000 You know, it's a total empire.

02:36:34.000 Mozzarella.

02:36:36.000 Obviously from Italy that was a big issue.

02:36:38.000 Pharmaceutical drugs.

02:36:40.000 So you think you're taking Viagra, but you're actually taking a sugar pill.

02:36:44.000 Or there's numerous scheme systems that get shut down online every year where they give you actually arsenic or something terrible like that.

02:36:50.000 Eggs, dried fruit, and cooking oil.

02:36:53.000 And you might say, well, there's no way we can actually do anything about this.

02:36:56.000 But the director for the food regulation companies, he said, he went out and said in an article with Time Magazine, that the answer is to actually eat organic and natural food products.

02:37:09.000 And you might be wondering, why is that?

02:37:10.000 It's because these counterfeiters from, you know, Thailand and everything, what they do is they go after the big corporate brand names because there's just so much out there.

02:37:19.000 You know, there's, let's say Coca-Cola or something, there's so much Coca-Cola out there that it's impossible to actually test and screen all the Coca-Cola brands and everything like that.

02:37:27.000 We've seen that in China.

02:37:29.000 They go in and they'll reproduce somebody's brand very precisely and then put garbage in it, which actually creates liability for the company.

02:37:35.000 They had some automotive brakes that they went in and basically instead of it being brakes, it was just paper.

02:37:42.000 People buying this and putting it on their car because the packaging looked the same, the product looked the same, but it was nothing but paper.

02:37:48.000 And then when they had a car accident because of these faulty brakes, they sue the real manufacturer of this, which they thought they were buying.

02:37:57.000 They thought they got a defective product from these other people.

02:37:59.000 It's really rampant.

02:38:01.000 Exactly.

02:38:01.000 So they just take over this corporate food system and take advantage of it.

02:38:05.000 But if you're buying actually local organic quality foods, you're not going to experience this.

02:38:09.000 And it reminds me of how you did an amazing report on this.

02:38:12.000 McDonald's, some economists say that they could go bankrupt within the next five to ten years.

02:38:17.000 Isn't that amazing?

02:38:18.000 It's because people don't want fake food anymore.

02:38:21.000 Yeah.

02:38:21.000 They are not settling for it.

02:38:23.000 They're saying, I'm absolutely not going to risk getting any freeze bottles.

02:38:28.000 I'm not going to risk getting some of these ingredients I like to talk about that are in many common McDonald's food items.

02:38:34.000 Because that's a form of fake food too.

02:38:36.000 That's a fake form of food.

02:38:37.000 It comes down to the point where you've got to trust your source.

02:38:40.000 You know, we try to get these independent third parties, whether it's government or it's an independent watchdog agency, to vet the things that we're buying to see if they're safe, to see if it's authentic or whatever.

02:38:52.000 That's why I think so many times these large corporations will make the calculation that, hey, I can save a penny or two if I throw this synthetic dangerous substance in here to give me a little bit longer shelf life.

02:39:06.000 And they'll make that calculation because they're selling it in such large quantity, it makes a difference to them.

02:39:10.000 Whereas if you work with a local business, like a local restaurant or something, I'm thinking they're not as likely to adulterate their products in a dangerous way to save a couple of pennies because it simply isn't going to be worth it for them.

02:39:21.000 For the large corporations, it may be a calculation that somebody says, we'll go with that risk.

02:39:25.000 That's exactly right.

02:39:27.000 Two pennies to McDonald's per ingredient is a big, big, big deal.

02:39:31.000 That's right.

02:39:31.000 And that goes back to why I think they're failing.

02:39:33.000 I mean, look at this Business Insider report that McDonald's worldwide sales at restaurants fell 2.2% just last month.

02:39:41.000 Okay?

02:39:42.000 So what we're seeing is a decline in McDonald's.

02:39:45.000 And there's numerous reasons for that.

02:39:46.000 But ultimately, people don't want to eat the garbage anymore.

02:39:48.000 And they could have, 5-10 years ago, or when Super Size Me came out, gotten rid of some of these ingredients I'm going to talk about.

02:39:55.000 But they didn't.

02:39:56.000 Because a matter of a few cents for them is a matter of millions of dollars in their overall conglomerate.

02:40:01.000 If they were smart, in my opinion, they would have removed these ingredients immediately.

02:40:05.000 Because that's what they keep getting flack for.

02:40:07.000 So it's just the fact they have... But it's really kind of in their business model, you know, because they do need to put these preservatives, these artificial chemicals in there so that they've got a very, very long shelf life.

02:40:16.000 But they don't have to.

02:40:17.000 I mean, there's even organic fast food places now.

02:40:21.000 You know, they don't have to do any of this.

02:40:23.000 If they want to make, you know, money off of people...

02:40:26.000 Getting sick and dying, they can do this.

02:40:28.000 But if they want to cut their profits by .002% and maybe have some alternatives, or fund some options, some research, there are organic preservatives.

02:40:37.000 But I mean, they have breast implant chemicals in their chicken nuggets, according to some of these reports. 0.72

02:40:43.000 The San Francisco Gate, it's a chemical that's used in silicone breast implants and silly putty. 1.00

02:40:48.000 And the San Francisco Gate reports, the fast food chain makes this popular menu item The chemical preservative TBHQ, a petroleum-based product.

02:40:57.000 And that was at that point in the Chicken McNuggets.

02:41:00.000 And they have synthetic laxatives with the Wendy's Frosty.

02:41:03.000 Contained in the Coffee Toffee Twisted Frosty, a laxative chemical and electronic cigarette filler known as propylene glycol is among the 25 new ingredients.

02:41:13.000 25 new ingredients that make up the special Frosty.

02:41:16.000 Says, to be clear, this is a chemical linked to a host of conditions including neurotoxic effects in children, blood-brain barrier issues, and much more.

02:41:25.000 It's even illegal in cat food.

02:41:28.000 Wow.

02:41:29.000 Yeah, but it's okay for Americans, and they have a different...

02:41:32.000 Uh, standard for Americans that they sell to us and things that they won't put in, in other parts of the world.

02:41:36.000 And even these cigarette companies are trying to remove propylene glycol now.

02:41:40.000 But they're just putting it in Frosties.

02:41:41.000 Well, you know, there's a lot of awareness of that.

02:41:43.000 We've had Food Bay bond several times.

02:41:44.000 She's had, uh, a lot of response from people.

02:41:48.000 Once she focuses on some of these ingredients, the large corporations will back off of it when the light is shown on it.

02:41:54.000 That's why it surprises me this disconnect over vaccines, for example, that people can't, they understand the issue of additives in food and there's a large building movement of that where people want to get this stuff out.

02:42:07.000 It's like, don't put cancer-causing stuff in my soft drink because it changes the color to brown.

02:42:14.000 That's not important to me.

02:42:15.000 I would rather have it Without the color, without the cancer-causing chemicals, but they won't say that about vaccines.

02:42:21.000 They just don't get the message what it's about.

02:42:23.000 And that's the thing.

02:42:23.000 The two biggest articles in my experience, writing probably 3,000 articles total, are food item ingredients like this, like five, you know, four worst fast food ingredients they don't tell you about, right?

02:42:34.000 Or vaccine additives and vaccine effects.

02:42:36.000 Those are the two biggest shares factors for articles.

02:42:39.000 I mean, I'm talking about 20,000 Facebook shares in two hours on some of these, or a million Facebook shares.

02:42:45.000 One of the articles about GMOs being burned got 980,000 shares or something insane like that.

02:42:51.000 People know.

02:42:52.000 People are aware of this.

02:42:53.000 I mean, they get millions and millions of views and people are obsessed with this type of stuff.

02:42:57.000 So you would say, as a corporation, why are they not responding to that?

02:43:01.000 It's because they can still get away with it.

02:43:03.000 If we force them to not get away with it and we actually take the action and go there and don't buy the crap, which it looks like we're doing as McDonald's is just plummeting down and economists are freaking out saying it's not a blue chip anymore, get away from it.

02:43:14.000 Well, that's actually taking a change. 0.86

02:43:16.000 When people say, hey, there's yoga mat chemicals in that fast food. 0.85

02:43:21.000 I mean, literally, if you use this chemical that they use in some of these McDonald's products in Singapore, it could be up to a $450,000 fine and 15 years in prison, according to these reports.

02:43:33.000 That's very interesting.

02:43:34.000 You know, I think it's very important what we've seen happen.

02:43:37.000 Again, we're talking about the food babe as we put these other things out.

02:43:40.000 There's people understand what this is.

02:43:42.000 They're exercising their market power.

02:43:44.000 That's why we see McDonald's sales going down.

02:43:47.000 They're exercising their informed choice, their informed consent.

02:43:51.000 That's the way you get this stuff out of the vaccines.

02:43:54.000 You don't just ignore it and tell people shut up and take it.

02:43:58.000 You know, it's almost like forcing us to go to McDonald's and, you know, eat there three times a day or whatever.

02:44:04.000 I mean, it's, you've got to approach this I think from, it's far more effective to approach it from an education and market standpoint than it is to come in and even put fines and jail terms on this stuff.

02:44:17.000 stuff because we see so many times these regulatory agencies get captured by the corporations.

02:44:22.000 That's a large part of what the problem is with big pharmaceuticals is that they've captured these government agencies, the FDA, and captured the CDC so that the real information is not going out.

02:44:33.000 I think we are achieving victory.

02:44:35.000 I think across the board, I mean, we're seeing... There's a reason, let's say this.

02:44:39.000 There's a reason that 96% of Monsanto shareholders do not want GMO labeling.

02:44:45.000 There was a poll of GMO shareholders in Monsanto.

02:44:47.000 They do not want GMO labeling.

02:44:50.000 McDonald's does not want GMO labeling.

02:44:52.000 None of these people want you to actually know what you're getting.

02:44:54.000 And you're right, they're winning by hypnosis.

02:44:57.000 People are walking into McDonald's, they don't know what they're eating. 0.98

02:45:00.000 Or they think they do, they read the stuff, but they don't actually grasp the idea that when they wake up in the morning, they feel like crap.

02:45:06.000 It's because of what they're putting into their bodies. 0.92

02:45:08.000 So we are achieving major victory, I believe.

02:45:09.000 I mean, look at how many people are reading all these reports on InfoWars and everywhere else.

02:45:13.000 They're just reading it every single day.

02:45:14.000 Millions and millions of people that are super concerned.

02:45:16.000 Well, it is an information war, and I think that's why the government is so desperate to get control of the internet and to shut this down.

02:45:22.000 I think it's, they realize that they're losing the information war.

02:45:25.000 I think that if we get people informed, they're going to withdraw their consent.

02:45:29.000 I think we'll see some market changes that'll drive not only what we eat, but drive some of the medicines as well.

02:45:34.000 Thank you so much, Anthony.

02:45:36.000 Let's go to Paul Joseph Watson, joining us from the UK right now.

02:45:40.000 Paul?

02:45:42.000 Hey David, good to be back.

02:45:43.000 Hi, thank you for joining us.

02:45:45.000 Tell us a little bit about your article here about feminists and not talking about Muslim rape epidemic that's sweeping Europe. 1.00

02:45:54.000 Well, this is a point we've pushed over and over again, David, and I've got another article coming out soon, which is, Top Feminist Calls for Collectivist Revolution.

02:46:02.000 And we emphasize this over and over again, which is the point that feminists don't care about genuine women's rights issues. 1.00

02:46:09.000 Third wave feminism is all about authoritarianism and social engineering. 1.00

02:46:14.000 So now this top feminist, with an organization called One Billion Rising, backed by the United Nations, and that's important to emphasize, These feminists aren't just whining on Twitter or Tumblr. 1.00

02:46:25.000 They're backed by millions and millions of dollars in foundation and corporate funding.

02:46:30.000 So, she's the head of an organization that seeks to end rape and sexual violence against women. 0.98

02:46:36.000 She doesn't talk about the fact that rape and sexual violence against women is endemic within the Islamic community, which we'll get on to.

02:46:44.000 But she basically got up in front of a crowd in New York a couple of weeks ago And gave a speech in which she talked about how feminism was about creating a collectivist revolution and that she was proud to say, quote, American individualism is dead and global solidarity is alive and on the rise.

02:47:06.000 So it was basically kind of a creepy communist cult initiation meeting for feminists who again are being backed by millions and millions of dollars in corporate funding. 1.00

02:47:16.000 And again, it goes back to feminism being completely opposed to classical liberalism, which was the moral worth of the individual.

02:47:26.000 She's coming out and brazenly stating that feminism is determined to destroy individualism, destroy free market capitalism, And replace it with a collectivist revolution. 1.00

02:47:38.000 So again, feminism is not about genuine women's rights issues. 1.00

02:47:42.000 It's about social engineering and advancing this authoritarian agenda.

02:47:47.000 Yeah, and there seems to be a very selective outrage over certain things.

02:47:52.000 As you point out, the feminists are not looking at what is happening to women in fundamental Islamic countries.

02:48:00.000 Just as we see that there's no concern about the regular Saudi beheadings, as we pointed out the other day, at the rate that they've been beheading people, they're going to get to the number of Christians that were beheaded this last week, if that was in fact an authentic video.

02:48:17.000 20 some odd Christians beheaded, that would happen in less than 90 days in Saudi Arabia, yet we're supposed to go to war, put boots on the ground, wipe out ISIS, But we're allied with people who do that on a regular basis. 0.90

02:48:33.000 And that's what we're seeing here with this kind of hypocrisy with the feminists. 1.00

02:48:38.000 That's right, and you know, Saudi Arabia passed a law which characterized female drivers as terrorists. 1.00

02:48:44.000 You didn't hear any feminist outrage about it. 1.00

02:48:46.000 You know, they were too busy complaining about Matt Taylor, the comet scientist's quote, sexist shirt.

02:48:52.000 That's what they harp on about.

02:48:53.000 They harped on about the college rape scandal for years, claiming that one in five female students in the United States are victims of sexual assault.

02:49:02.000 We got the Justice Department numbers in 2014, December, which showed that actually 0.03 in 5 are victims of sexual assault on US college campuses.

02:49:13.000 Wow.

02:49:14.000 And female students are 25% less likely to be raped than non-students.

02:49:19.000 And yet they harped on about that for years.

02:49:22.000 It was a contrived myth.

02:49:24.000 It blew up in their faces with the University of Virginia rape scandal, which was completely debunked.

02:49:30.000 And then we can get on to what's actually happening with real rape scandals after the break in Sweden, Denmark, Norway and other European countries.

02:49:38.000 Yeah, they throw these statistics out there and just like we see happening with the vaccine thing, the CDC continues to tell everybody, hey these vaccines are...

02:49:47.000 99% effective and yet we saw in the Disneyland outbreak that 14% of the people had been vaccinated the year before they had an outbreak in California.

02:49:55.000 18% of the people had been vaccinated back in 1987 according to the and if you think well maybe that's just a small population if you go back to 1987 look at the CDC's own numbers 52% of the people who came down with measles had been vaccinated, yet they still put this story out there that it's 99% effective.

02:50:15.000 They continue to persist in these kind of statistics to support their view.

02:50:19.000 That's why you always need to go back and check to see where did these numbers come from.

02:50:25.000 Yeah, because I mean they can contrive a whole narrative based on completely fraudulent numbers and only later they come out and prove the opposite case.

02:50:33.000 But again, there's a huge article up on Infowars, Feminist Mute on Muslim Rape Epidemic Sweeping Europe.

02:50:39.000 This is a heavily documented article.

02:50:41.000 It's full of videos and hyperlinks to government documents, police reports about how this epidemic of Muslim abuse is sweeping the continent. 1.00

02:50:49.000 So we'll get on to it.

02:50:50.000 Yes, that's an article up on InfoWars.com.

02:50:53.000 We have Paul Joseph Watson from the UK joining us and he's going to be with us right after the break.

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02:54:21.000 I'm David Knight, and we have joining us from the U.K., Paul Joseph Watson.

02:54:26.000 We've been talking about his story.

02:54:27.000 Feminists mute on Muslim rape epidemic sweeping Europe, and of course the bottom of this is multiculturalism. 1.00

02:54:34.000 It simply isn't politically correct to talk about what's going on in European countries.

02:54:40.000 As you point out in your article here, Paul, you say that in Denmark, for example, crime rates broken down by nationality show individuals from Muslim countries make up Eight of the top nine places on the list.

02:54:50.000 In 2012, sexual assaults were almost ten times more common amongst those who were immigrants than with those of Danish citizenship.

02:55:00.000 Yet we can't talk about that because it's not politically correct.

02:55:02.000 We've been beaten down into submission with multiculturalism. 1.00

02:55:07.000 Well that's right and I mean this is the heart of feminism is rampant hypocrisy because they don't talk about this like the woman I was just talking about before the break you know has an organization devoted to ending sexual violence and rape against women yet refuses to address this problem. 0.99

02:55:22.000 You know we had a case in Rotherham in England where from 1997 onwards for nearly 15 years over a thousand young girls were sexually abused, beaten and trafficked by primarily Pakistani Muslim men and the Labour government in Rotherham Covered up and ignored that scandal, ignored the reports that were pouring in because they feared being characterized as politically incorrect and racist.

02:55:46.000 So this is where political correctness again poses a direct threat to the just functioning of a free society.

02:55:53.000 As you mentioned, you can go through the other countries.

02:55:56.000 And again, to underscore the point, you know, most sober-minded Muslims would agree that this is a problem, this is a crisis that needs to be addressed, just as most Catholics would agree that the Vatican paedophile scandal Needed to be addressed.

02:56:11.000 You know, this isn't about demonizing Muslims.

02:56:13.000 It's about calling out this authoritarian political correctness that prevents these reports from being taken seriously by governments in these European countries, by the media, because they're more concerned with protecting multicultural sensitivities, whereby to the point You know, you've got Lars Hedegaard in Denmark who put out the report with the stats that you just mentioned.

02:56:35.000 He was actually brought up under hate speech laws for simply talking about the issue.

02:56:41.000 So they're treating people who bring attention to it in some cases worse than the actual rapists.

02:56:47.000 And we need to understand, too, that multiculturalism is really the tool to bring about global governance.

02:56:54.000 They want to destroy cultures and sovereign nations, and the way they do it is with open immigration, as they're doing here in the United States. 0.99

02:57:02.000 They have a different way of doing it slightly in Europe.

02:57:06.000 Nevertheless, it is all about breaking down the cultures, the continuity of government, if you will.

02:57:13.000 I didn't like to use that phrase because that's something used by government to justify a lot of very bad things.

02:57:18.000 But the continuity of culture of a people, to break that down, to mix the groups together, and to set them apart against each other, that's all part of this multiculturalism.

02:57:29.000 Instead of just bringing this in and saying we want to uplift these cultures, they're actually using it to destroy indigenous cultures, aren't they? 0.93

02:57:37.000 Yeah, and they're using it as a tool of political repression.

02:57:40.000 They're playing one culture off against each other. 0.95

02:57:42.000 Even world leaders like Cameron and Merkel have admitted that multiculturalism has failed.

02:57:47.000 It's a failed experiment.

02:57:49.000 So, for example, since 1975 in Sweden, when they opened their doors to multiculturalism, The rapes skyrocketed since that time by 1,472%. 0.98

02:57:58.000 So now 77% of rapes committed in Sweden are carried out by foreign immigrants, mainly Muslims, because under Islam they see women as second-class citizens. 0.98

02:58:12.000 But the people in Sweden who are drawing attention to this are being characterized as racist thought criminals merely for trying to highlight the fact that this is the major problem. 0.86

02:58:22.000 Yeah, they are.

02:58:23.000 They have a real problem.

02:58:24.000 That's why we see the rise of UKIP and a lot of these other parties that want independence from the European Union.

02:58:29.000 They understand how this is being sold to them, how they're taking down their countries, and yet the standard response is that they're xenophobic, that they're racist.

02:58:38.000 We're out of time for today.

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Alex Jones Show - February 19, 2015

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