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00:00:25.000 Welcome to The Alex Jones Show on this Sunday, August 23rd, 2015.

00:00:37.000 I'm David Knight, your host.

00:00:38.000 Alex Jones is going to be joining us at the bottom of the hour.

00:00:41.000 He's in Toronto.

00:00:42.000 He had a speech last night.

00:00:44.000 He spoke at a function that George Norrie had.

00:00:48.000 He had a couple of guest speakers.

00:00:49.000 Alex was one of those.

00:00:51.000 And Alex is going to be joining us to talk about what happened as well as to talk about I'm sure he wants to talk about these two heroes, actually three heroes, I believe, that stopped that attack in France.

00:01:03.000 We're going to break down the details of that when we come back on the news.

00:01:06.000 We have another kind of hero that's going to be joining us in the program in the second hour.

00:01:11.000 That's Thomas Drake.

00:01:12.000 You know, we've got heroes who Fight the enemy physically.

00:01:17.000 That's exactly what these fellows in France did in the train.

00:01:22.000 They knew that it was do or die for them as well as for the passengers on that train.

00:01:27.000 They knew they had to do something, do it quickly, or they would be killed.

00:01:31.000 They said, reflex kicked in.

00:01:33.000 Of course, that's something that's going to happen with everybody, but also their training.

00:01:37.000 They were trained as soldiers, and that's not to discount at all their bravery.

00:01:40.000 Certainly, there was a lot of bravery in that.

00:01:43.000 What they did after they subdued the fellow, beat him unconscious.

00:01:47.000 He had wounded the first military guy pretty heavily, and actually almost cut off one of his fingers.

00:01:55.000 I believe it was his thumb.

00:01:57.000 At that point, however, instead of looking after himself, he was trained to take care of others.

00:02:02.000 As a medic, he went to help other people who had been victims.

00:02:06.000 A couple of people had been shot.

00:02:07.000 One guy had a severe neck wound.

00:02:08.000 He would have bled out if the soldier did not stop the bleeding.

00:02:12.000 So that's the kind of selfless hero these guys are.

00:02:16.000 We also have a selfless hero with Thomas Drake, an NSA whistleblower.

00:02:20.000 You know, when you're a quiet hero, the kind that is doing the right thing when nobody is looking, the kind that has integrity and character, because that's the definition of character.

00:02:30.000 Doing the right thing when no one is watching you.

00:02:33.000 It's very difficult to be in that kind of a position.

00:02:35.000 We're going to talk to him about why he went to work for the NSA, why he became a whistleblower, what was he reporting.

00:02:42.000 He began work on September 11th, the day of the attack.

00:02:46.000 We're going to talk to him about what he learned That was going on at the NSA, at the FBI, at the CIA before the attack.

00:02:54.000 We're going to talk to him about what he was blowing the whistle about.

00:02:57.000 We're going to talk to him about the disgusting parallels between the way he was retaliated for being a whistleblower, the retaliation against him, versus the way they have looked for every kind of excuse for Hillary Clinton.

00:03:11.000 You understand that Hillary Clinton has been accused of mishandling classified documents.

00:03:17.000 That was precisely what they came after Thomas Drake for.

00:03:21.000 But rather than make excuses for Thomas Drake, they tried to lock him away for 35 years.

00:03:27.000 He was only the fourth person to be prosecuted in that way under the Espionage Act.

00:03:32.000 Of course, the first one was Daniel Ellsberg, the Pentagon Papers.

00:03:37.000 It's an interesting story, it's an amazing story, and I think that there was far more than the alleged mishandling of documents.

00:03:44.000 It was actually...

00:03:46.000 Comical, when you look at the documents.

00:03:48.000 Mass collection is your friend.

00:03:50.000 That type of thing.

00:03:51.000 These are training manuals.

00:03:52.000 They should not have been classified in the first place.

00:03:55.000 Some of them were not classified when he got them.

00:03:59.000 And that was the same excuse that Clinton has, except that her emails are emails that are born classified, as we discussed on Friday.

00:04:07.000 A former official with the organization that classifies documents for the American government says that when you have conversations, With the Secretary of State and foreign dignitaries.

00:04:19.000 Or they have intelligence that has been collected on foreign dignitaries by the NSA.

00:04:24.000 That is born classified.

00:04:26.000 Everyone knows that that kind of intelligence does not need to wait for a sticker or somebody to label that as being classified.

00:04:36.000 So there's an amazing hypocrisy between these two cases.

00:04:42.000 We're going to talk about that.

00:04:43.000 We're also going to talk about the history of the Espionage Act.

00:04:47.000 We're going to talk about the culture of trying to sell a philosophy of surveillance.

00:04:53.000 One of the things that Thomas Drake did in the years before he went to the NSA was he watched carefully the Stasi, just as William Binney did.

00:05:00.000 I think that's why he was so concerned about it.

00:05:03.000 And again, joining us at the bottom of the hour is going to be Alex Jones.

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00:06:22.000 It's Alex Jones.

00:06:30.000 Welcome to the Alex Jones Show on this Sunday, August 23rd, 2015.

00:06:33.000 I'm David Knight, your host.

00:06:35.000 Alex Jones has been in Canada this weekend.

00:06:38.000 He spoke at a George Norrie event in Toronto last night.

00:06:41.000 He's going to be joining us, however, at the bottom of the hour he's going to be calling in.

00:06:45.000 And in the next hour, we have joining us Thomas Drake.

00:06:50.000 One of the big NSA whistleblowers that were concerned about the mishandling, I would not say, he was actually charged, alleged mishandling of documents, but he and William Binney and others were concerned about the way the government was mishandling your information.

00:07:06.000 Violating the Constitution, the dragnet surveillance, the massive boondoggle, the massive waste involved in that.

00:07:12.000 There were a lot of different aspects of things that they were concerned about.

00:07:15.000 They went through official channels, they were shut down.

00:07:18.000 Eventually they went to the press and then there was retaliation.

00:07:23.000 Interestingly enough, from the same prosecutors that gave the banks no prosecution.

00:07:31.000 Lanny Breuer, the guy who became famous for his too big to jail comments about HSBC.

00:07:36.000 Remember HSBC was laundering money?

00:07:39.000 For drug cartels, for terrorists, the Sinaloa cartel with El Chapo.

00:07:44.000 Remember him?

00:07:45.000 He just escaped from prison.

00:07:47.000 Donald Trump was talking about him a lot.

00:07:48.000 Well, they were laundering money for him.

00:07:50.000 He had his own private window at HSBC.

00:07:54.000 HSBC and other big banks had been caught before laundering money.

00:07:58.000 They had been given probation, a little slap on the wrist, not much at all.

00:08:03.000 They caught them again because they didn't reform their processes, their procedures.

00:08:08.000 That time they gave them a larger fine, still a very, very small fine concerning the amount of profit that they had made.

00:08:16.000 And they said, we're not going to take away their charter.

00:08:18.000 That would not serve the interests of the American people.

00:08:22.000 And for that, everybody said, oh, you're saying that they're too big to jail, just like they were too big to fail back under the Bush administration.

00:08:30.000 Nevertheless, the same Lanny Breuer comes after Thomas Drake.

00:08:37.000 And what did he come after him for?

00:08:38.000 Well, he came after him for allegedly mishandling classified documents.

00:08:41.000 Not giving them to a foreign power, but allegedly mishandling them.

00:08:46.000 Precisely the same charges that many people are alleging about Hillary Clinton.

00:08:51.000 However, the The information that Hillary Clinton has, both in quantity and in its classified nature, makes the three or four documents that they came after Thomas Drake for pale in comparison.

00:09:06.000 It's not even close.

00:09:06.000 I mean, he had things like, uh, bulk collection is our friend.

00:09:10.000 We'll talk to him about the exact things.

00:09:12.000 Things that should not have even been classified.

00:09:14.000 Things that were employee handouts.

00:09:16.000 It wasn't the private conversation with foreign dignitaries.

00:09:19.000 So we're going to talk to him about what happened as a whistleblower, his concerns about the NSA, the dangers that he sees, because as I mentioned in the last segment, like William Binney, he spent a great deal of time watching East Germany and the Stasi.

00:09:32.000 He knows what a surveillance state it looks like.

00:09:35.000 He also knows that what we are capable of now is far more dangerous than anything that ever happened under the Stasi. 0.82

00:09:42.000 So I want to talk to Thomas Drake because I want people to understand how there's a double legal standard here.

00:09:49.000 How we have a dark double government, as he points out.

00:09:52.000 People like Hillary Clinton can do whatever they wish and get away with whatever they do. 1.00

00:09:59.000 But people who point out the crimes of government are retaliated against like Thomas Drake.

00:10:04.000 He also has something to tell us about 9-11.

00:10:07.000 I'm very interested to talk to him about that as well.

00:10:10.000 Now we have some other heroes that we're going to be talking about here in just a moment, but before we do, those are the people who stopped the terrorist attack on the train.

00:10:19.000 Before we do, I want to go over some economic news.

00:10:21.000 These are a couple of articles that are up on InfoWars.com.

00:10:24.000 The global economy is officially melting down.

00:10:26.000 They say as much as the financiers on Wall Street and officials of the Fed would like to keep the party going, it looks like it is about to stop.

00:10:34.000 This is from Joshua Krauss of Daily Sheeple.

00:10:35.000 He says years of bailout and monetary expansion have created one of the most inflated and artificial economic booms in history.

00:10:42.000 He points out the Dow has fallen 1,300 points from its peak.

00:10:46.000 On Friday alone, it fell by 530 points, making it the ninth worst stock market crash in U.S. history.

00:10:52.000 Another article we have says the two-day stock market crash this week.

00:10:57.000 was greater than any one-day stock market crash in US history.

00:11:02.000 It was an 888 point crash.

00:11:05.000 Going on with some of the other metrics from this first article, he says the Shanghai composite fell by more than 11% this week.

00:11:11.000 China's stock market has lost a third of its value since its previous peak.

00:11:15.000 He says it's lost 4% of its value on just Friday alone after it was revealed their manufacturing activity had reached a 77-month low.

00:11:24.000 That's over six years, about six and a half years.

00:11:27.000 400 of the world's richest people lost a total of 182 billion dollars this week, amounting to 6% of their collective wealth.

00:11:35.000 I won't be crying for them, but you have to be concerned that they will do something very dangerous.

00:11:41.000 Just as we heard before 9-11, they need another Pearl Harbor. 0.96

00:11:46.000 That works whether you want to build the size of the NSA or whether you want to Shake things up so you can make money, because they make money when things rise rapidly, and they make money when things fall rapidly.

00:11:59.000 They can go long or they can go short.

00:12:01.000 They can buy into it or they can sell these things short.

00:12:04.000 So they can make a lot of money if they create a massive crisis.

00:12:07.000 One more metric here.

00:12:07.000 They say commodities have fallen to a 13-year low.

00:12:10.000 The price of copper has reached a six-year low, while oil has suffered its longest decline since 1986.

00:12:19.000 So that's the economic news.

00:12:21.000 Very concerning because usually in August it's very quiet.

00:12:25.000 Things usually change in September and October.

00:12:28.000 And we had a lot of people saying they expected big changes for a lot of different reasons.

00:12:32.000 A lot of people have different ways they forecast the economy.

00:12:36.000 A lot of them expecting big changes in September.

00:12:39.000 And we haven't even gotten there yet.

00:12:41.000 We've got another week of August and already we've had massive moves.

00:12:47.000 Also, we have some information about Planned Parenthood and the videos that have exposed the criminal, I would say, activities there.

00:12:54.000 Court has now removed the injunction on the Planned Parenthood videos.

00:12:58.000 That was an injunction that was put in there to stop them from showing any videos from STEM Express.

00:13:03.000 They have now released the newest video of that.

00:13:06.000 And of course, what are they talking about?

00:13:08.000 They're talking about people who are getting entirely complete babies.

00:13:15.000 Lab recipients get aborted babies, they say, they go into shock when they open the box to find an, quote, intact case.

00:13:22.000 In other words, a whole body.

00:13:24.000 They say, yeah, if you've got an intact case, which we've done a lot, we sometimes ship those back to our lab in its entirety.

00:13:31.000 Tell the lab it's coming, because they'll open up the box and go, oh my God.

00:13:35.000 Yeah, I bet they will.

00:13:37.000 I bet they will.

00:13:38.000 Now, there were massive protests yesterday across the country against Planned Parenthood.

00:13:43.000 There were over 300 protests that were set up on Saturday.

00:13:48.000 We have an article up on InfoWars.com showing some of the Twitter feeds, showing some of the pictures, people's reports about how many people that were there.

00:13:56.000 Louisville, they had some about 200.

00:13:58.000 In Oklahoma City, they say, over 1,000.

00:14:00.000 In Aurora, Illinois, over 600.

00:14:02.000 In Lincoln, Nebraska, they say about 300-plus.

00:14:06.000 In Nashville, I looked at some of the ones in North Carolina from some of my friends that were putting them out.

00:14:10.000 Charlotte had about 400 people turn out to that rally.

00:14:14.000 In Raleigh, they had about 100 people.

00:14:17.000 Let's see, this is Greensboro, they had about 130 people.

00:14:20.000 If you've got 300 rallies across the country, and an extremely conservative figure of 100, which is the smallest one of those cities that I saw, and that was in Raleigh, that would give you 30,000.

00:14:33.000 But of course there's some places that have 400, some places that have 1,000 people there.

00:14:38.000 I hope we have turned the corner on this.

00:14:40.000 I hope we understand, finally, the value of life.

00:14:45.000 Like many people, I was sitting on the fence not thinking about it a great deal.

00:14:50.000 I thought of it as an individual's choice until we saw the entire birth of a child except for the top of their head.

00:15:01.000 A partial birth abortion, they call it. 1.00

00:15:04.000 At that point, I realized that it was murder.

00:15:06.000 And at this point, I think people are waking up to not only the profit motive, of Planned Parenthood.

00:15:12.000 And we've talked to Abby Johnson, who was a Planned Parenthood employee, Employer of the Year, a manager in Houston.

00:15:21.000 She resigned because she realized that they were not just trying to help young women coming in there, pregnant women, to make a decision to give them treatments.

00:15:30.000 They were pushing them towards an abortion. 0.96

00:15:31.000 They had a quota that they needed to do.

00:15:34.000 And she also saw ultrasound of a child That was being aborted, and she saw it recoiling in pain, trying to get away.

00:15:44.000 They told her, well, it's too young to feel any pain.

00:15:46.000 She saw otherwise.

00:15:48.000 I think that America is having that kind of wake-up moment.

00:15:52.000 I certainly hope so.

00:15:53.000 Stay with us.

00:15:54.000 We're going to talk about what happened in the French train accident.

00:15:54.000 We're going to be right back.

00:15:58.000 And Alex Jones will be joining us at the bottom of the hour.

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00:20:32.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show on the Sunday, August 23rd, 2015.

00:20:43.000 I'm David Knight, your host.

00:20:45.000 Alex Jones is going to be joining us in the next segment.

00:20:48.000 He went to Toronto last night to speak at a George Norrie event.

00:20:52.000 He was one of the guest speakers there last night, one of the featured speakers.

00:20:56.000 He's going to be calling us to tell us about that, and I'm sure that he wants to weigh in on the situation in France, where there was a terrorist attack on one of the trains, a man with an AK-47.

00:21:09.000 And he also had a pistol.

00:21:10.000 He had a box cutter with him.

00:21:12.000 His AK-47 jammed.

00:21:14.000 That's one of the reasons why these guys were able to take him down.

00:21:17.000 But they didn't know that it was jammed at the time.

00:21:19.000 They thought they were going to die.

00:21:21.000 The crew on the Paris-bound train barricaded themselves in their staff room and locked the door.

00:21:27.000 As he was going through the train, his 26-year-old Moroccan national Air Force Airman Spencer Stone ran at the gunman when he opened fire on the high-speed service to Paris.

00:21:36.000 Also joining him was Oregon National Guard member Alec Skarlatos and Anthony Sandler from California, they were friends, and British national Chris Norman.

00:21:47.000 They beat him senseless and tied him up waiting for the authorities.

00:21:52.000 And of course, Spencer Stone was severely injured himself.

00:21:55.000 He was cut several times with a box cutter and his thumb, I think it was one of his fingers at least, was nearly cut off.

00:22:03.000 Nevertheless, in spite of that wound, he went to the aid of passengers, a couple of whom had been shot.

00:22:09.000 So these guys took the pistol from him, then they took the AK-47 and beat him with his own gun until he was unconscious.

00:22:16.000 The state officials did not disclose a positive motive for the attack.

00:22:22.000 Do you think it might have been terrorism?

00:22:23.000 That was the narrative for the first couple of days.

00:22:25.000 I thought, who are they talking to in France?

00:22:29.000 They don't know if this was a terrorist event?

00:22:31.000 I mean, are they getting their information from Inspector Clouseau?

00:22:35.000 This is about as smoking gun as you get folks.

00:22:39.000 Yeah, it was a terrorist event.

00:22:41.000 One of the fellows...

00:22:43.000 that uh... was there one of the heroes said he had a klishnikov he had a magazine that was full my thought was okay probably i'm gonna die anyway but let's go i'd rather die being active they say uh... one of the airmen uh... the airman spencer stone with his arm in a sling recounted on sunday how he and two other americans tackled the gunman he says it seemed like he was ready to fight to the end but he said so were we

00:23:08.000 He's hailed as not only being the first to grapple with the attacker, that is Stone, but also for helping to stop the bleeding of a French-American passenger that was wounded by a bullet.

00:23:16.000 That's the one that I mentioned, where he stopped the bleeding.

00:23:18.000 The fellow could have bled to death.

00:23:19.000 In the beginning, it was mostly gut instinct survival, he said.

00:23:23.000 Our training kicked in after the struggle.

00:23:27.000 And one person, the U.S.

00:23:28.000 Ambassador, says of them, we often use the word hero, and in this case, I know that word has never been more appropriate.

00:23:34.000 That's U.S. 0.99

00:23:35.000 Ambassador Jane Hartley.

00:23:36.000 She says, they truly are heroes.

00:23:38.000 When most of us would run away, Spencer, Alec, and Anthony ran into the line of fire and said, let's go.

00:23:43.000 That changed the fate of many people.

00:23:47.000 And you know, there are heroes who do the physical attacks, as I mentioned at the very beginning of the show, and then there are those who are the quiet heroes.

00:23:54.000 People like our guest in the second hour, Thomas Drake.

00:23:58.000 He is someone who did the hero's job, but did it in a way that is very difficult.

00:24:05.000 So not to take anything away from the people who did this, who saved their lives, who saved others' lives, who risked their lives to do that.

00:24:12.000 But we have to understand that Thomas Drake risked his life as well.

00:24:16.000 He had a family.

00:24:17.000 He had a son who was very sick.

00:24:19.000 He had a secure position.

00:24:21.000 When you're in a position of comfort like that, it's very easy to rationalize that you should just follow authority.

00:24:29.000 You should just do what the government is telling you.

00:24:31.000 It will all be better in the long run.

00:24:34.000 Thomas Drake, however, understood the Constitution.

00:24:37.000 He understood where this leads because, like William Binney, he had monitored East Germany and the Stasi for a very long time.

00:24:46.000 And that hardened his resolve to where he would put his life on the line, doing it quietly, when no one would see.

00:24:53.000 But some people did see.

00:24:54.000 I want to play for you what Edward Snowden said about Thomas Drake, our guest in the second hour.

00:25:00.000 Here's what Edward Snowden said about him.

00:25:03.000 Fair to say that if there hadn't been a Thomas Drake, there couldn't have been an Edward Snowden.

00:25:09.000 Here we had a guy who did absolutely everything right.

00:25:12.000 He placed his faith in the system.

00:25:14.000 He saw, you know, the wireless wiretapping of hundreds of millions of Americans.

00:25:18.000 He saw corruption.

00:25:20.000 He brought it to the IG.

00:25:22.000 He brought it to Congress.

00:25:24.000 And rather than protecting him, they actively retaliated against him in the most public and aggressive way.

00:25:33.000 Yes, they did retaliate against him.

00:25:35.000 They tried to put him in jail for 35 years.

00:25:38.000 They came after him for mishandling of classified information.

00:25:43.000 The documents that they accused him of mishandling were nonsense compared to what Hillary Clinton has.

00:25:48.000 And for her, they look for every excuse they can not to prosecute her.

00:25:51.000 We're going to talk to him about what he saw, what he blew the whistle on, what the dangers are to America, the different ways that those who run our dark and secret double government escape prosecution.

00:26:04.000 We're also going to talk about the Espionage Act because I want to lay Some of the history down on this for you before he gets here.

00:26:12.000 So he'll be free to give you his story without getting burdened down with the back story of what went on with the Espionage Act and what we have seen with that for a number of years.

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00:27:19.000 Where is the surveillance state going to lead?

00:27:21.000 It's a gradual, incremental movement.

00:27:24.000 Just as I pointed out on Friday when I talked about the people who are reacting to the manufactured crisis of the open borders.

00:27:31.000 And it is a manufactured crisis.

00:27:34.000 It's manufactured like all of these crises are.

00:27:36.000 They create a crisis.

00:27:38.000 They use that to show the problem.

00:27:40.000 They use that to expand the government over and over again, whether it is the NSA and the Patriot Act or whether it is going to be The kind of movement controls that we're, I'm very concerned about in many different areas.

00:27:54.000 I'm looking at what the government is planning in terms of controlling our movement, our transportation with autonomous cars, constantly tracking, constantly reporting our movement, able to shut down our movement if they wish.

00:28:07.000 Do we really want to give them that capability at the border?

00:28:11.000 Do we really want to throw fire on the fuel, on the fire of the TSA, telling them, yeah, you're the transportation authority.

00:28:19.000 We want you out on the highways.

00:28:21.000 We want you especially down at the border.

00:28:23.000 Do we really want to do that?

00:28:25.000 We need to understand that just like gun control, when there's a tragedy, the politicians will use that tragedy to try to push for gun control.

00:28:36.000 In the same way, we see the Republicans using tragedies, violent crimes that are committed by illegal aliens, using that To push for more security theater.

00:28:49.000 The wall will be absolute theater, but the high tech behind the population tracking will not be theater.

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00:33:08.000 You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.

00:33:15.000 The Alex Jones Show.

00:33:37.000 We now take you live to the Central Texas Command Center in the heart of the resistance.

00:33:43.000 It's Alex Jones.

00:33:45.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show on this Sunday, August 23rd, 2015.

00:33:54.000 I'm David Knight.

00:33:56.000 As I've been mentioning, we're going to be joined in the second hour by NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake.

00:34:01.000 The only one of the whistleblowers who was prosecuted by the government.

00:34:06.000 They alleged that he had mishandled documents.

00:34:09.000 Not anywhere like the document mishandling that we've seen from Hillary Clinton.

00:34:13.000 They said that he had obstructed and destroyed evidence.

00:34:17.000 It turned out that he hadn't.

00:34:18.000 The entire case folded the day before they went to court.

00:34:22.000 They were scolded by the judge, and of course the person who was overseeing the prosecution was Lenny Breuer, the same guy who let HSBC and all the large banks walk, said they're too big to jail, essentially.

00:34:35.000 Obama said, well, there were some laws that they didn't break.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, there were some laws that they didn't break.

00:34:41.000 That's not to say that they didn't break a whole lot of laws that they really should have gone to jail for.

00:34:46.000 Someone should have gone to jail for it.

00:34:47.000 They got a very small fine.

00:34:49.000 Hillary Clinton, so far, nothing is happening to her.

00:34:51.000 She still is a pretty popular candidate. 1.00

00:34:54.000 She's still the candidate to beat. 1.00

00:34:55.000 She's taken a hit in some of her popularity and some of the Other politicians who would like to take her place, like Governor O'Malley. 1.00

00:35:03.000 Former Governor O'Malley says we have to look to the future.

00:35:06.000 He went on to the NBC show.

00:35:10.000 Actually, it was ABC he was talking to.

00:35:13.000 And he said, we cannot allow our party to be branded by those sorts of questions of the past.

00:35:18.000 That's actually a pretty good description of Hillary Clinton. 0.96

00:35:21.000 She is a question of the past.

00:35:24.000 He says, we have to look to the future.

00:35:25.000 We have to offer ideas and move our country forward for the future.

00:35:27.000 That's why it's important to have debates.

00:35:29.000 But of course, you're not going to have any debates on the Democrat side as long as Hillary Clinton is a candidate. 0.91

00:35:34.000 Everybody is going to be debating her history.

00:35:38.000 There's a lot of history with Hillary Clinton.

00:35:39.000 There's a lot of skeletons in her closet.

00:35:42.000 But it is absolutely astonishing, astonishing to see how they are avoiding prosecution for Hillary Clinton for the very serious classified documents that she really did mishandle.

00:35:52.000 For the obstruction of justice that she engaged in. 0.95

00:35:55.000 And see how they came after they invented these charges and tried to send Thomas Drake to jail for decades because he had blown the whistle on corruption, on waste, and on criminal activity.

00:36:10.000 He and William Binney and others were exposing the fact that our government Was engaged in massive surveillance that they had changed the rules after September 11th.

00:36:20.000 He actually began on September 11th.

00:36:22.000 We're going to talk about September 11th.

00:36:23.000 We're going to talk about the parallels with Clinton, and we're going to break down the history of that.

00:36:28.000 Before we do, though, I want to take a look at what is happening at the TSA.

00:36:35.000 But actually, we're going to be joined now by Alex Jones, who is reporting from Toronto, Canada.

00:36:41.000 Alex.

00:36:43.000 David, I am standing here from an island off the coast of Toronto, Canada, looking at people having a great time, playing tennis, playing badminton, swimming in one of the major great lakes here, and it's so picturesque, and it just really makes me, at a very deep fundamental level, want to protect these people and to want to warn them about what's happening.

00:37:09.000 It is the fact that people are so innocent, so nice, so friendly of every race, color, creed, nationality.

00:37:16.000 They all just want to have good lives, healthy, happy children, contribute to the world.

00:37:22.000 They want to help other people, are really, really good.

00:37:26.000 And it's because people historically are so blind to the fact that true evil exists in the world, that it's able to grow and able to breed.

00:37:39.000 And, you know, you're up here seeing this for yourself.

00:37:44.000 It's people with the same.

00:37:46.000 And it's so sad.

00:37:47.000 It's also very positive for some good things, obviously.

00:37:51.000 It's an event to a capacity crowd of wonderful people.

00:37:56.000 Took about two hours last night at the meet and greet afterwards to shake about a thousand people's hands.

00:38:02.000 And these folks were so awake.

00:38:06.000 And so impassioned and are taking action on so many fronts, it was booing.

00:38:11.000 And so the good news is, yes, the general public is still somewhat asleep, but exponentially they're waking up.

00:38:18.000 And that's why the globalists are accelerating their programs right now, as you know, David.

00:38:23.000 There's a lot happening.

00:38:25.000 I was going to be back today, but because of flights and issues and getting up here late, I am now coming back tomorrow.

00:38:34.000 But I will be filing reports in the morning and live during the show tomorrow with David, actually from my Skype computer before the airport.

00:38:45.000 So I will be co-hosting part of the show tomorrow.

00:38:47.000 Just wanted to give folks an update on that.

00:38:49.000 But what's amazing is when I walked down the street in Austin, Texas, again, this is just a gauge about how late the world is.

00:38:56.000 As I've said hundreds of times, the average person who isn't well known in the liberty movement doesn't know that people all around the world don't have a way to have sonar or radar or recognition to map that.

00:39:09.000 I do.

00:39:10.000 And I'm just going to go over to the airport.

00:39:16.000 I think we're losing Alex there.

00:39:18.000 It's breaking up.

00:39:19.000 He's calling us from Canada.

00:39:21.000 Again, he was reporting about the event there that he spoke at, one of the featured speakers there.

00:39:27.000 I think the key speaker is he back?

00:39:31.000 Go ahead, Alex.

00:39:31.000 Okay.

00:39:33.000 Yes, again, I am calling you via cell phone because I'm calling from this island.

00:39:37.000 It's Toronto itself, not the city of Toronto.

00:39:44.000 And so I've only got a few cell bars here.

00:39:47.000 I'm not going to take up too much more time.

00:39:49.000 I didn't promise to call in and report on the show today, so that's what I'm doing. - Right.

00:39:53.000 Bottom line, just now, taking a few minutes off to swim in this great lake, I had no fewer than five people on the beach, probably 30 people, because it's not that busy.

00:40:10.000 Come over and shake my hand.

00:40:12.000 One lady was from Canada, another guy was from the U.S., another lady was from Argentina.

00:40:18.000 Her husband's a big listener.

00:40:20.000 Other folks barely spoke English were like, Alex Jones, Alex Jones from China.

00:40:25.000 I mean, this is what's really exciting is that the awakening is exponential and no matter where I go, Uh, we are running into people that are alike, whether it's Europe or whether it's Canada or whether it's Mexico or whether it's Honduras.

00:40:41.000 People are awake, and of course there's so many other people waking folks up that have listeners and supporters.

00:40:46.000 I'm only one small gauge of that.

00:40:50.000 So that's the really exciting news.

00:40:52.000 The bad news is this looks like some type of tit-for-tat, this China explosion, now this U.S. 0.76

00:40:58.000 military-based explosion outside Tokyo, still going off as we speak, just ultra-massive event.

00:41:06.000 There's all sorts of black ops going on.

00:41:08.000 Henry Kissinger has come out and said that basically Obama screwed up, pushing Russia too far, and made us look like the bad guys.

00:41:17.000 Of course, he wants to take over.

00:41:19.000 He just doesn't want to fail.

00:41:20.000 And so there's a lot of good things happening, a lot of bad things happening.

00:41:23.000 But we had Mr. Dent and other guests on in the last two months, and they believe the collapse is coming in September or October.

00:41:34.000 And we just had Dent on two weeks ago, and he said within two weeks, he would expect the bubble to start collapsing again.

00:41:41.000 There was a dead cat bounce according to his graphs.

00:41:43.000 Well, we just saw a thousand point drop on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

00:41:49.000 And even though they try to prop it back up, it shows.

00:41:52.000 People say, well, it's a bubble.

00:41:53.000 It should go down.

00:41:54.000 Well, absolutely.

00:41:55.000 The problem is we're in trouble even in a bubble.

00:41:58.000 So, people are waking up.

00:42:00.000 There's some good things happening.

00:42:02.000 The globalist agenda is failing with Russia.

00:42:04.000 Not that Russia's perfect, but we want there to be a multipolar world.

00:42:07.000 Not a single ring to rule them all.

00:42:08.000 Mordor.

00:42:10.000 We want diversity.

00:42:11.000 We want firewalls of nation-states against globalists.

00:42:14.000 So a lot of positive things are happening, David, as you know, but also a lot of really negative things are happening.

00:42:20.000 As this cascade of events races towards an even bigger event in the near future, George Soros and the White House have revealed that Hillary Clinton is involved with her senior staffers, as well as Nancy Pelosi staffers with Black Lives Matter, trying to stir everyone up and get everybody fighting with each other.

00:42:40.000 It really is an amazing thing to see what's happening and all these different confluences of events.

00:42:46.000 The stars aligned politically are coming up.

00:42:49.000 And the good news is just take the abortion videos.

00:42:52.000 Just take those, David.

00:42:55.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:42:57.000 Notice how 70% of people in polls or higher want to stop these abortions now.

00:43:04.000 So notice it.

00:43:04.000 They've gone in, they've gotten the videos, and they're heroes.

00:43:08.000 I mean, good people can push back.

00:43:09.000 We're being told that Snowden's window for a plea bargain deal is closing.

00:43:13.000 Bloomberg reports a national security specialist saying Many people in government believe that journalists who receive Snowden's material are not capable of protecting it from a competent and committed state-level adversary.

00:43:25.000 Even if Snowden did not give the material to others, they argue it would have been ripe for the picking.

00:43:30.000 Well, isn't that true of Hillary's handling of emails? 1.00

00:43:32.000 Didn't her violation of protocol expose above-top-secret data to state-level adversaries?

00:43:38.000 Snowden exposed criminal actions of our government done in the name of national security.

00:43:44.000 Hillary compromised national security for her own convenience or to cover up her misdeeds. 1.00

00:43:51.000 If national security is more important than the Constitution, if national security is more important than our rights, why isn't Hillary being prosecuted? 1.00

00:44:00.000 Why is Snowden called a traitor and Hillary Clinton is called presidential material? 1.00

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00:47:15.000 Defending the Republic from enemies, foreign and domestic.

00:47:27.000 It's Alex Jones.

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00:47:35.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we are live.

00:47:37.000 I'm coming to you from Lake Ontario, one of the Great Lakes.

00:47:40.000 I'm out here on a little island.

00:47:42.000 I decided to take half the day off and come over here and investigate and talk to folks.

00:47:46.000 And let me tell you, it's one of the prettiest places I've ever been.

00:47:49.000 This is an amazing creation that God made.

00:47:52.000 And I just look at the people, the little dogs swimming.

00:47:56.000 I'm in the interior of the small island now.

00:47:57.000 There's people playing badminton and just hanging out.

00:48:01.000 It's like a small town here.

00:48:03.000 The houses look like hobbits.

00:48:04.000 Could be walking out of them at any minute.

00:48:06.000 I'm here today.

00:48:07.000 I'm not being paid by the Tourism Board of Canada.

00:48:11.000 But this is definitely somewhere that I'm going to be taking the family vacationing next summer.

00:48:15.000 Now I know why so many Texans like to come up to the Great Lakes in Michigan and Minnesota, but also right up here in Canada.

00:48:22.000 This definitely takes the cake.

00:48:24.000 I have a really surrogate next hour coming up.

00:48:26.000 I'm joining you via cell phone.

00:48:28.000 David Knight is in the radio slash TV studio in Austin, Texas.

00:48:32.000 I want to thank him for the fabulous job not filling in, not filling in for me, but doing as good a job or better than I did.

00:48:39.000 But, again, I will be back tomorrow.

00:48:42.000 David will be co-hosting much of the show with me, but I'll be co-hosting from Canada.

00:48:46.000 I'll be back tomorrow night.

00:48:47.000 Trying to get back to what I was saying earlier when my cell phone was cutting out.

00:48:52.000 What I'm getting at is this.

00:48:54.000 We are at a critical crossroads.

00:48:56.000 Everyone knows that.

00:48:57.000 We keep warning everybody about it.

00:48:59.000 And now it becomes clearer and clearer that we're right.

00:49:02.000 And that serious things are about to break loose.

00:49:05.000 The good, the bad, and the extremely, extremely ugly.

00:49:09.000 And so now is the time to get our houses in order, to get right with God, to be thinking about what's happening, but to also kind of change the destiny of the world by taking action.

00:49:18.000 God gives us free will.

00:49:20.000 God sets out a course and a general path and works through good people, the corrupt forces to the bad.

00:49:27.000 But we decide much of what happens in our universe, in our world.

00:49:31.000 And I'm glad I went on this trip because I would never watch a children's movie Like, Tomorrowland, especially because George Clooney's in it, even though I was in a movie he produced, Scattered Darkly, I figured it was all global warming propaganda because of the ads I'd seen.

00:49:49.000 And I probably should have gone and seen it.

00:49:51.000 I just can't stand more propaganda.

00:49:53.000 Well, I ended up watching it on the plane because I decided to do some research.

00:49:57.000 I said, OK, I'll watch it.

00:49:58.000 Bit my lip.

00:49:59.000 Something told me watch it.

00:50:01.000 Overall, I've got to really watch this film again and do a whole report on it.

00:50:05.000 Very positive on the surface.

00:50:08.000 It exposes, revelation of the method, a breakaway civilization that has culled the greatest minds of children since the 1940s into a breakaway program 100 times bigger than the Manhattan Project that is operating outside of the general public's knowledge on government reservations.

00:50:29.000 And they've decided to go ahead and not Uh, give people the advanced technology.

00:50:35.000 They decided to keep the life extension and everything else for themselves.

00:50:39.000 And in the process of that, uh, because of the brain drain from the planet, uh, into the elite.

00:50:46.000 The world is about to basically destroy itself with nuclear war, with the computer probabilities.

00:50:51.000 But then, they basically are able to take out the bad guys, the elite, that want to hoard all the power for themselves, and are able to reverse the probability of humans destroying themselves.

00:51:01.000 This film is extremely powerful.

00:51:03.000 I don't know if it's good or bad.

00:51:05.000 Very, very heavy.

00:51:06.000 It's cheesy.

00:51:07.000 It has product placement in it, propaganda placement, where All the heroes are women, and of course that's a new directive. 1.00

00:51:14.000 I'm not against women being heroes in movies.

00:51:16.000 I have two daughters.

00:51:17.000 The problem is, it's a directive admitted by the United Nations UNESCO program if folks look into that.

00:51:17.000 I love it.

00:51:25.000 Video games, you name it.

00:51:26.000 So it's all part of our media being controlled.

00:51:28.000 So this isn't propaganda film.

00:51:30.000 But it's also the elite saying that they were basically wrong and that they don't want to kill everybody.

00:51:35.000 It's kind of like the last Superman movie was the same story about eugenics.

00:51:39.000 So are they conditioning us so we're subconsciously ready to accept it?

00:51:43.000 Or are people rebelling within the system and putting films out like this?

00:51:50.000 The only bad thing is it puts out a very truthful message so that you subconsciously take it in.

00:51:55.000 People already know subconsciously about the breakaway civilization.

00:51:58.000 The problem is that it then puts the lie of global warming at the heart of it and the way to save the Earth.

00:52:06.000 So, very, very sophisticated propaganda.

00:52:08.000 I'm going to have to really watch it again and come to my final judgment.

00:52:13.000 But it is extremely heavy and Uh, is about human empowerment, the final equation.

00:52:20.000 I think that's why the film probably didn't do too well.

00:52:22.000 Uh, and a lot of folks didn't really understand it, uh, because it's, uh, dealing with some things, uh, that are so real world, it would make your head spin.

00:52:31.000 But that's basically it.

00:52:32.000 I've got a lot more to report on the show tomorrow, where I'll be in the hotel room.

00:52:36.000 So it'll be nice, clear, you know, uh, HD audio, probably video with David Knight.

00:52:41.000 And then Lord willing, I'll be back in the U.S.

00:52:43.000 tomorrow.

00:52:43.000 Uh, again, just the super good news.

00:52:46.000 It's super good news that people are even more awake at things in Canada than what I see in the United States.

00:52:52.000 Just patriots are everywhere.

00:52:54.000 So don't feel alone out there, ladies and gentlemen.

00:52:56.000 Keep speaking out.

00:52:57.000 Keep taking action.

00:52:59.000 We can turn this thing around with God's help, but we have to take the first step.

00:53:02.000 And I want to thank everybody, also, that supports this broadcast, the wonderful team we have.

00:53:07.000 It is such a blessing, all the affiliates we have.

00:53:10.000 There is a ton of news, obviously, coming up.

00:53:13.000 I filed a report on Saturday, seems like a million years ago, but it was just yesterday.

00:53:22.000 It was actually Friday evening when I first got to Denver.

00:53:28.000 That's where I flew through.

00:53:30.000 They had reported first it was two Marines that had tackled and stopped the shooter.

00:53:35.000 And of course later they said it was one army, one air force.

00:53:37.000 It doesn't matter who they were, whether they were military or not.

00:53:40.000 They took action and took the gun away from the guy and then got cut up by his box cutter but stopped him.

00:53:47.000 And that's such an important story because do you really believe on not one, not two, but three different aircraft on 9-11?

00:53:56.000 That everyone didn't fight back?

00:53:59.000 I mean, I'm gonna tell you right now, I don't think that was got around.

00:54:01.000 But if people jump up with box cutters, or whatever...

00:54:06.000 Onboard an airplane with me, and there's three of them I'm going to fight back if I'm by myself.

00:54:10.000 I mean, think about it, folks. 0.99

00:54:13.000 If you're on a plane and you're rude to some guy, he'll threaten to kick your butt. 0.99

00:54:16.000 I mean, people where I've grown up and all over the country, you mess with them, they'll fight you after what color they are and where they're from. 0.88

00:54:24.000 I just fundamentally don't believe 9-11 because of things like that, but also the FBI admitted that none of the high-altitude phone calls were really made.

00:54:33.000 The only real ones were from air phones, and both stewardesses plotted them and said there was gas, smoke, they couldn't breathe. 0.82

00:54:40.000 They were being nerve gassed.

00:54:41.000 We don't know exactly what happened on 9-11, but we know the official story isn't true.

00:54:46.000 And we now know they're suppressing Saudi Arabian involvement in our government standing down.

00:54:50.000 But again, the good news is the truth is coming out.

00:54:54.000 Well, thanks for putting up with me on cell phone.

00:54:56.000 Sorry to David and the crew.

00:54:57.000 I tried to get to a place where audio Skype would work.

00:54:59.000 But the whole next hour is going to be extremely informative with a major whistleblower.

00:55:04.000 Don't you have a big whistleblower coming on, David?

00:55:06.000 Yes, Alex, we have Thomas Drake.

00:55:07.000 He was the only whistleblower from the NSA to have the Justice Department try to put him in jail.

00:55:14.000 Of course, it was Lanny Breuer, the guy who said the banks who were laundering money were too big to jail, but they came after him for the same things that Hillary Clinton has been doing.

00:55:23.000 They allege that he mishandled classified documents.

00:55:26.000 He really didn't, but she really is, and they're doing everything to avoid going after her.

00:55:32.000 Wow.

00:55:32.000 Yeah, of course we've got Hillary that's in deep trouble.

00:55:35.000 We've got 9-11 coming out.

00:55:37.000 We've got the insider trading coming out all over the world.

00:55:41.000 We've got the Vatican being blackmailed coming out.

00:55:45.000 I mean, really, everything is being revealed.

00:55:48.000 They're cutting the fluoride out of the water now that they've announced.

00:55:51.000 I mean, really, David, we're having victories on every front.

00:55:53.000 So I want to thank the audience.

00:55:55.000 Because you are the heart and the tip of the spear of the Liberty Movement worldwide.

00:55:59.000 InfoWars, you are the power, the listeners of this transmission.

00:56:02.000 What a brain trust, what an honor, and what a responsibility for all of us.

00:56:07.000 David Knight, thank you so much.

00:56:08.000 I'm going to turn the show back over to you.

00:56:10.000 I'll see you tomorrow.

00:56:11.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:56:12.000 Again, that's Alex Jones reporting from Toronto and he'll be joining us tomorrow on the radio program as well.

00:56:18.000 As we pointed out in the next hour, Thomas Drake is going to be with us talking about his experiences, what he saw at the NSA, why we should be concerned about the encroachment on our freedoms, the destruction of the Constitution.

00:56:31.000 He had this to say when he got an award from the Sam Adams, Associates for Integrity Intelligence, he quoted from Frederick Douglass in part of Frederick Douglass' 1857 speech and basically paraphrased it with some references.

00:56:46.000 He said, power and those in control concede nothing without a demand.

00:56:51.000 They never have, they never will.

00:56:53.000 Each and every one of us must keep demanding, must keep fighting, must keep thundering, must keep plowing.

00:56:59.000 We must keep on keeping things struggling.

00:57:02.000 We must speak out and speak up until justice is served.

00:57:05.000 Because where there is no justice, there is no peace.

00:57:09.000 He put his life on the line.

00:57:11.000 It ruined his career.

00:57:13.000 They tried to lock him up for the rest of his natural life.

00:57:16.000 This is a man who is every bit as much a hero as the people who charged the gunman in that train this weekend.

00:57:22.000 We're going to talk to him in the next hour.

00:57:24.000 In the next segment, we're going to lay some background of the Espionage Act, because he's one of the few people who have been charged with that.

00:57:31.000 Most of those people who have been charged with the Espionage Act have been charged by the Obama administration.

00:57:36.000 More people than all the previous 100 years of presidents combined.

00:57:40.000 Stay with us.

00:57:41.000 We'll be right back.

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01:00:12.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

01:00:18.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:00:26.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:00:27.000 I'm David Knight, your host today.

01:00:29.000 Joining us in the next segment is Thomas Drake, NSA whistleblower.

01:00:33.000 He is the fourth person to have been charged under the 1917 Espionage Act.

01:00:40.000 This is something that, as Bloomberg points out, since 2009, President Obama has charged nine people under the 1917 Espionage Act with passing classified information to media outlets.

01:00:54.000 This is something that was never done before.

01:00:57.000 There were only two people prior to that.

01:01:00.000 The first person to be charged in that way, of course, is Daniel Ellsberg with the Pentagon Papers.

01:01:04.000 The Nixon administration went after him.

01:01:07.000 When this was passed in 1917, Woodrow Wilson said this was going to go after naturalized citizens.

01:01:13.000 In other words, this is not for you, Americans. 0.98

01:01:16.000 Don't be worried about this.

01:01:17.000 We're going to get involved in foreign wars for the first time, and we're going to pass all kinds of censorship rules, but this is not for you.

01:01:24.000 This is for naturalized citizens, he said, who have poured the poison of disloyalty into the very arteries of our national life. 1.00

01:01:30.000 But of course, that's not the way it's being used now.

01:01:33.000 It was rarely used to go after alleged leakers of classified information until 1973, when they went after Daniel Ellsberg.

01:01:40.000 Prior to that, they had, in the war, in the time after World War I, they had gone after people who had passed information to foreign powers, people who were spies.

01:01:53.000 In 1917, however, it was a little bit different.

01:01:56.000 Shortly after they passed this Espionage Act, they used it against Eugene Debs.

01:02:00.000 He was the person who was a five-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party.

01:02:05.000 A lot of people talk about that.

01:02:07.000 How?

01:02:07.000 Because he was opposing the war.

01:02:10.000 He was targeted.

01:02:11.000 He was sentenced to ten years in prison.

01:02:13.000 He served five years before his sentence was commuted.

01:02:16.000 But I want to talk to you about the second person who was charged under the Espionage Act.

01:02:22.000 This is a man, Robert Goldstein.

01:02:25.000 He produced a film.

01:02:27.000 That's what he was charged under the Espionage Act of Woodrow Wilson for.

01:02:32.000 The film was The Spirit of 76.

01:02:33.000 It was done in 1917.

01:02:35.000 It was about the American Revolutionary War.

01:02:38.000 It was a silent film.

01:02:40.000 He would later go to prison for making this silent film.

01:02:44.000 Let me tell you why.

01:02:46.000 Woodrow Wilson had a lot of pushback against being involved in foreign wars.

01:02:51.000 We now have an American empire that is doing one undeclared war after the other.

01:02:56.000 We have multiple wars going on at the same time.

01:02:59.000 They're pushing so hard to try to start a war with Russia that even Henry Kissinger is pushing back against this.

01:03:06.000 He's a globalist.

01:03:07.000 He's a long-term globalist, but he doesn't want to see even that.

01:03:11.000 So even Henry Kissinger is pushing back against what they are currently doing right now.

01:03:15.000 It is absolute madness.

01:03:17.000 But in 1917, Woodrow Wilson was trying to convince the American people to break with a long-standing American tradition of avoiding foreign entanglements.

01:03:27.000 So he was very sensitive to anything that would undermine what he perceived to be the rah-rah patriotism of the war.

01:03:34.000 This film, Spirit of 76, premiered in Chicago in May of 1917, just one month after the U.S.

01:03:42.000 entered World War I on the side of Britain.

01:03:45.000 The head of the Chicago Police Censorship Board, and get this guy's name, Metallus Lucullus Cicero Funkhauser, but more importantly, the fact that there's a Chicago Police Censorship Board, They confiscated the film at the behest of the Justice Department, on grounds that it generated hostility towards Britain, who were our allies at the time.

01:04:05.000 Goldstein trimmed the offending scenes, and he received federal approval to continue the Chicago run.

01:04:10.000 And the offending scenes were things showing British soldiers bayoneting babies.

01:04:15.000 Things that were largely fictional, although there were a couple of real massacres that were depicted in the film.

01:04:20.000 Nevertheless, it was over-the-top fiction in the film.

01:04:24.000 And Woodrow Wilson thought that it would turn people against our British allies.

01:04:27.000 So he excised that in Chicago, but when they premiered the film in L.A.

01:04:32.000 a few months later, the deleted scenes were then restored.

01:04:35.000 After an investigation, the government concluded that Goldstein's actions constituted, quote, abating and abetting the German army.

01:04:40.000 They seized the film.

01:04:42.000 They sentenced him to 10 years in jail, a $5,000 fine.

01:04:47.000 Understand, that'd be about a half a million dollars today.

01:04:50.000 And he couldn't claim the First Amendment because the Supreme Court had ruled in 1915 that movies didn't fall under First Amendment protection.

01:04:57.000 Interesting, isn't it?

01:04:58.000 They overruled that in 1952.

01:05:00.000 Another illustration of how we cannot trust the Supreme Court, to be honest, about the Constitution.

01:05:06.000 But Thomas Drake is honest about the Constitution.

01:05:08.000 He'll be joining us right after the break.

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01:06:27.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:06:32.000 I'm David Knight, your host.

01:06:33.000 Joining us now is Thomas Drake, one of the NSA whistleblowers that went public about the Dragnet surveillance and the way that the NSA was ignoring the law, ignoring the Constitution after September 11th.

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01:07:33.000 Joining us now is Thomas Drake.

01:07:35.000 Mr. Drake is a whistleblower who has dedicated his life to safeguarding his country.

01:07:40.000 He's a 10-year veteran of the Air Force.

01:07:41.000 He specialized in intelligence.

01:07:43.000 He served as a CIA analyst and a contractor for the National Security Agency, the NSA, for 12 years before joining full-time in 2001.

01:07:53.000 And actually, it was on September 11th, was his very first day there, unlike Chris Christie, who says that he joined on September 11th.

01:08:00.000 We'll talk about that.

01:08:01.000 When Drake saw mass waste and abuse and billions of dollars being spent on Operation Stellar Wind, he took his concerns to superiors in the NSA.

01:08:09.000 He tried to go through channels.

01:08:12.000 He was stonewalled by his superiors in the NSA.

01:08:15.000 Nothing happened with the congressional reviews.

01:08:17.000 After a while, he thought that the public had a right to know, so he took this to A Baltimore Sun reporter, he made legal disclosures of unclassified information.

01:08:27.000 She wrote a series of award-winning articles that exposed the billion-dollar boondoggle at the NSA.

01:08:33.000 Then the Empire struck back.

01:08:35.000 We saw a reprisal.

01:08:37.000 Drake was ratcheted up to the maximum criminal prosecution they could get under the Espionage Act.

01:08:44.000 In 1917, the government conducted an armed raid of his home.

01:08:46.000 They interrogated him for hours, confiscated his personal notes and computers, threatened him with spending the rest of his natural life behind bars.

01:08:54.000 They charged him, of course, with retention of classified material, not disclosure, not passing it to someone else.

01:09:01.000 So we're going to talk to him about the parallels and what they accused him of, and what it appears that Hillary Clinton has done.

01:09:10.000 But before we do that, welcome Mr. Drake.

01:09:13.000 Thanks for having me.

01:09:14.000 I wanted to, I really appreciate you coming on.

01:09:16.000 You're one of my heroes.

01:09:18.000 I can't say that enough.

01:09:20.000 Someone who put their life on the line because you understood really what was at stake.

01:09:26.000 You've, for many years, you watched the Stasi operating in East Germany just like William Binney did.

01:09:32.000 You were very concerned about where we're headed.

01:09:35.000 I look at this and there's so many Americans don't really see the danger in what is going on and how we're slipping into this dark surveillance state.

01:09:44.000 What can you tell us about what you saw with the East Germans, with Stasi and State and what you're concerned about happening here in America?

01:09:52.000 What are the dangers?

01:09:53.000 What is it going to be like for Americans?

01:09:56.000 Well, the danger is we don't learn the dark lessons of our own past and, you know, that's rather recent history.

01:10:01.000 How easy it is to drift into dystopia.

01:10:06.000 And let others take over and take charge.

01:10:10.000 And that was a police state.

01:10:13.000 It reigned with fear.

01:10:14.000 It kept enormous records on essentially the entire population as well as many other people outside of East Germany.

01:10:22.000 I didn't spend all those years listening in on the communications of East Germany without it affecting me in terms of what it meant for history.

01:10:30.000 And I just never imagined that I'd find myself, you know, shortly after 9-11, essentially discovering that the United States had sort of borrowed the playbook, as it were, from the Stasi, and under the cover of 9-11, which was, you know, an enormous failure, although some would say it was, you know, never let a crisis go to waste, in the infamous words of Rahm Emanuel, former Chief of Staff for Obama.

01:10:58.000 Never let the crisis go to waste.

01:10:59.000 And so they ended up suspending the Constitution.

01:11:03.000 And part of suspending the Constitution is the actions they took in the deepest of secrecy that I ended up finding out about.

01:11:11.000 And it was Pandora's Box opening up.

01:11:13.000 And when you're staring into Pandora's Box, the deep abyss stares back at you.

01:11:18.000 And you have that choice, your own moral agency as to what you do.

01:11:22.000 You could attempt to close the box and the lid on the box and act as if nothing happened, or do you actually take action?

01:11:30.000 And I had taken an oath for the fourth time to support and defend the Constitution, you know, a piece of paper, but it's the fundamental principles in terms of how we govern ourselves.

01:11:41.000 And I would not break faith with that oath.

01:11:46.000 I would not.

01:11:47.000 And you had a very comfortable existence.

01:11:50.000 You had a family.

01:11:50.000 I read that you had a young son who was sick at the time.

01:11:53.000 I mean, you're looking at this and you've got to make some hard decisions.

01:11:57.000 You're doing this in secret, as I was pointing out before, in parallel to the heroes who took down the gunman on the French train.

01:12:05.000 They said they were acting on instinct.

01:12:06.000 And of course, they see this guy's going to shoot them, going to shoot everybody if they don't do something.

01:12:10.000 But you're in an environment Where it's very easy to just take the easy way out.

01:12:15.000 To rationalize that this is what the people in authority want and so I should do as I'm ordered.

01:12:23.000 You've got to be feeling those kinds of pressures to rationalize that.

01:12:27.000 I think there's a lot of people that don't See the long-term view of what's going to happen with this.

01:12:33.000 It's very easy for people to rationalize that and to say, I want to stay comfortable.

01:12:37.000 I want to take care of my family.

01:12:38.000 I'll just obey the government.

01:12:40.000 I'll be a good citizen.

01:12:42.000 I'll be very quiet.

01:12:43.000 Right, but citizens have a fundamental responsibility.

01:12:46.000 Yes.

01:12:47.000 They really do, and if you don't, guess what?

01:12:49.000 Don't be surprised at others who are more than willing to abscond with power, and then end up having power over you.

01:12:57.000 History's not kind when it comes to power exercised abusively over others.

01:13:03.000 We've just seen way too much in human history.

01:13:07.000 It's sometimes challenging even for me even today not to get too cynical about all this.

01:13:12.000 On the other hand, you know, that arc of history does bend toward justice and though it may be uneven and it may divert and may take tangents of time, it does bend.

01:13:22.000 And there I was.

01:13:23.000 I mean, that was a moment of truth for me, frankly, and it's what I've shared.

01:13:27.000 I realize I serve as inspiration for others.

01:13:29.000 I realize I was able to hold off the government.

01:13:32.000 You know, realize I did not end up in prison for all that they attempted to do with me over a number of years, to punish me so severely for literally speaking truth to power.

01:13:41.000 So, but those are choices that are made.

01:13:44.000 And, you know, I'm standing up in the public interest and for history.

01:13:49.000 You know, you're an eyewitness to secret history, recognizing those choices that were made by the highest levels of our government, up to and including the White House, would have enormous downstream strategic consequences.

01:14:00.000 You know, when I look at you and I look at the other whistleblowers like Jocelyn Riddick, who was a whistleblower herself and wound up defending you and others, John Kiriakou, William Binney, I haven't had the pleasure of talking to Jocelyn Riddick or John Kiriakou, but I have had the pleasure of talking to William Binney.

01:14:17.000 And I think many of us on the outside, when we look at these, the dragnet surveillance of the NSA, when we look at their retaliation against you and the fact that they never do anything to come after the people who are committing the crimes, and the crimes are exposed by whistleblowers like you.

01:14:32.000 Instead, they retaliate against you.

01:14:34.000 So we look at that and...

01:14:36.000 Many of us on the outside say, you know, this is just a nest of snakes.

01:14:40.000 But when I see you and I see William Binney and I talk to you, I understand that there are some good people on the inside.

01:14:47.000 And that is one of the things that it gives me hope.

01:14:50.000 It really does give me hope to see principled people like you, principled people like William Binney.

01:14:56.000 I wanted to get your reaction to this, Mr. Drake.

01:14:58.000 There was something that was revealed in the Snowden leaks.

01:15:01.000 It was put up on the Intercept.

01:15:02.000 It was a document asking, are you the Socrates of the National Security Agency?

01:15:07.000 I don't know if you saw this article or not, but it was something that they had floated around internally.

01:15:13.000 We wanted people to look at this and to make a case for mass surveillance, for the government watching everyone.

01:15:20.000 And this individual, it reminded me of the Stasi situation in East Germany, where everybody was spying on everyone else.

01:15:29.000 Everyone was paranoid and concerned that we're being watched.

01:15:33.000 And one of the things that he says, one of the many thoughts that continually went through my mind, and this is an NSA employee, was that if I had to reveal part of my personal life to my employer, I'd really rather reveal it all because partial revelation might lead to misunderstanding.

01:15:46.000 And so he says he embraced total surveillance of him because he thought it would exonerate him.

01:15:54.000 That's an amazing, I want to get your reaction to that, because it sounds to me like Norman Bates in the basement of the police station after they caught him.

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01:20:34.000 It's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:20:40.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:20:41.000 I'm David Knight and we have with us Thomas Drake.

01:20:44.000 And as a whistleblower, I want to go through the chronology of what happened with him as he was one of the few people in our country to be charged under the Espionage Act for allegedly mishandling classified information.

01:20:56.000 Something that Hillary Clinton is notably not being charged for. 0.95

01:21:02.000 But before we do, I wanted to ask Mr. Drake, Mr. Drake, I came across these things we were talking about before we went to the break.

01:21:08.000 This is a document that came out of the Snowden leaks, reported in the Intercept, and I want to read you this quote of what this NSA employee said.

01:21:17.000 He said he was concerned that if people knew only a few things about him, he might seem suspicious.

01:21:22.000 But if people knew everything about him, they would see that they had nothing to fear from him.

01:21:28.000 He said, this is the attitude I have brought to SIGINT work since then.

01:21:32.000 I mean, I look at that and is that the attitude you saw in East Germany under the Stasi?

01:21:40.000 Is that a mindset that you saw at the NSA?

01:21:44.000 Well, it's certainly those, you know, that serve the secrecy system, the secrecy regime.

01:21:49.000 I mean, this is where national security, as I call it, the state religion.

01:21:54.000 And you don't question it.

01:21:56.000 It is your authority.

01:21:58.000 And when you're Subject to it and serving it, then you confess all there is.

01:22:05.000 You give up your sovereignty to the state.

01:22:08.000 And that's precisely how the Stasi operated.

01:22:10.000 Remember, they were the sword and the shield of the state.

01:22:14.000 They were not operating in the best interest of people.

01:22:17.000 In fact, people were considered to be threats.

01:22:20.000 Anybody was suspicious, including people even within their own system.

01:22:24.000 Yeah, that was one of the things we saw with Chris Christie in the back and forth with Ryan Paul.

01:22:28.000 He said, well, of course we have to do dragnet surveillance on everybody.

01:22:31.000 Otherwise, how will we know who we have to come after?

01:22:35.000 I mean, everybody is guilty.

01:22:37.000 They have to prove their innocence.

01:22:38.000 They have to vet themselves.

01:22:40.000 And that's the attitude we see from this guy inside the NSA.

01:22:42.000 And that's the attitude of people like Chris Christie and those who prosecute this dragnet surveillance, isn't it?

01:22:47.000 That's why this has far less to do with terrorism, which has been the cover in color for all of this as the excuse, and it's far more about social control.

01:22:57.000 Ultimately, mass surveillance is about social control.

01:23:00.000 Yes.

01:23:01.000 It's that simple.

01:23:01.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:23:02.000 I don't have to elaborate.

01:23:03.000 I don't have to get into philosophical discussions about it.

01:23:05.000 That's precisely what it is.

01:23:07.000 Absolutely.

01:23:08.000 I also have some questions here, people who have on Twitter using the hashtag Ask Drake.

01:23:14.000 They've given us some questions, so I want to go over some of those as well.

01:23:16.000 But first, let's lay out what happened in your particular case.

01:23:19.000 So you began at the NSA.

01:23:20.000 You've had an intelligence background within the Air Force.

01:23:24.000 You've also worked with them off and on.

01:23:26.000 But you began work, your actual first day that you report is September 11th, 2001, as that is all happening.

01:23:33.000 Tell us what you were brought in to do and what you saw there.

01:23:37.000 Well, in some ways, I was, you know, an accidental hire.

01:23:42.000 However, the Congress in particular, the key stakeholder overseeing NSA, had grown very, very concerned over the intervening years, particularly in the post-Cold War era, about NSA's viability, its ability to remain relevant.

01:23:55.000 And it was increasingly having difficulty keeping up with the challenges of the digital age and Internet.

01:24:00.000 And so they put a lot of pressure on NSA, and NSA very reluctantly and digging in their heels, went ahead and decided to hire people from the outside.

01:24:13.000 And that's meaning people that were not brought up there, were not promoted to the senior ranks from inside their own system.

01:24:21.000 And I was one of about a dozen people that were hired in over about a six month or so period just prior to 9-11.

01:24:28.000 And I was hired in as a Senior Change Leader.

01:24:30.000 That was actually my first title.

01:24:33.000 And I reported to the number three person.

01:24:36.000 Wow.

01:24:37.000 And 9-11 was my first day.

01:24:38.000 I was about 10,000 people in terms of the Signals Intelligence Directorate.

01:24:43.000 It's the offensive side of NSA.

01:24:46.000 And I was to get to know the ropes, follow the Signals Intelligence Director around, make recommendations, help NSA.

01:24:56.000 Moving into the 21st century, there have been a number of failures, there have been a number of studies that they were falling behind and increasingly the choices they were making was to simply Mary themselves to the military industrial complex and spend billions and billions of dollars to buy the solution instead of taking the very best of American ingenuity innovation of necessity being the mother of invention.

01:25:23.000 Very, very low cost programs that has super high impact and put that very best into the fight.

01:25:29.000 And, of course, that low-cost, very effective program was the one that William Binney had done called Thin Thread that essentially didn't make the haystack bigger so it was harder to find the needles.

01:25:39.000 It actually helped you to find the needles, but they passed that over for a program that was done outside, and that was Michael Hazen's decision.

01:25:48.000 Is that correct?

01:25:49.000 Well, that was a fundamental choice.

01:25:50.000 It was a buy versus make decision he made in the spring of 2000.

01:25:54.000 It was about a year and a half before 9-11.

01:25:56.000 He just said, hey, I'm just going to spend billions with the military intelligence congressional complex, as I put it.

01:26:05.000 As Bill Binney says, the happiness management complex.

01:26:09.000 And to spend, and that's, it was, it was an extraordinary amount of money.

01:26:13.000 And so people are, you know, bailing up to the Trailblazer Bar.

01:26:16.000 Trailblazer was the, the main flywheel contract that NSA was going to use to catapult itself into the 21st century.

01:26:24.000 It really became a funding vehicle for all kinds of contractors.

01:26:27.000 It never did deliver.

01:26:28.000 It actually died in 2006.

01:26:32.000 But of course, it involved a lot of companies like IBM, SAIC, Boeing, CSC.

01:26:37.000 They made billions off of this, right?

01:26:39.000 But this, as I said, 9-11 became a profit center for any number of companies.

01:26:43.000 I mean, this goes all the way back.

01:26:45.000 This is something Eisenhower, interesting enough, actually warned the nation about during his farewell address, which was largely ignored at the time, but it's become one of those points in history in terms of a warning to the nation, because he realized that what he had unleashed from the 50s would probably have Negative consequences going forward that in essence you would be beholden to secret power and vast amounts of money to be operating not in the public interest but operating in its own political and self-interest.

01:27:14.000 Absolutely.

01:27:14.000 And power protects itself.

01:27:15.000 I mean, this is one of the simple things that I tell people.

01:27:18.000 You have to remember, this kind of power, especially secret power, especially power involving military, especially power involving intelligence, intelligence itself, you know, information is power.

01:27:27.000 And when you can control that, when you can make money off it, when you can sell it with yourself and to others, well, then you, you know, it's very, it's very heady.

01:27:36.000 And so you want to protect that power.

01:27:38.000 Not too many people can come around that without being corrupted and sucked into that.

01:27:43.000 That's why we... Well, that's where Lord Acton, you know, power does tend to corrupt.

01:27:47.000 It will corrupt, but it tends to.

01:27:49.000 Absolutely.

01:27:50.000 Okay, so I want to talk a little bit about, I want to talk about 9-11, but before we do, I want to finish this chronology.

01:27:56.000 When you're there, Key things, then, that you're blowing the whistle about, eventually, are this massive, wasteful program that is also ineffective.

01:28:04.000 I guess when we look at this, when we talk about a lot of medical issues, we always look about safety and efficacy, right?

01:28:12.000 Is this medicine going to kill me?

01:28:14.000 That's why we have the Constitution, trying to keep the government from killing us.

01:28:17.000 And then we look at it, is it going to be effective to try to get the bad things, you know, to get the bad guys, okay?

01:28:23.000 To get the disease.

01:28:25.000 And so you were showing that this was, you were concerned that it was violating the Constitution, that it was ineffective, that it was a massive boondoggle.

01:28:34.000 So in 2004, is that about right?

01:28:36.000 You go to internal channels to try to get something done about that?

01:28:40.000 Actually, I started much sooner.

01:28:41.000 I was actually blowing the whistle with my immediate supervisor, the number three person, the state's intelligence director, within just weeks of 9-11.

01:28:49.000 Oh, okay.

01:28:50.000 I'm looking at my notes.

01:28:50.000 That's right.

01:28:51.000 In 2004, that's when the Inspector General produced their final report.

01:28:55.000 So that was after quite a bit of that had gone on.

01:28:57.000 We're talking to Thomas Drake, NSA whistleblower.

01:29:00.000 Stay with us.

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01:33:27.000 We now take you live to the Central Texas Command Center, in the heart of the resistance, rallying patriots worldwide You're listening to the Alex Jones Show.

01:33:49.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:33:53.000 I'm David Knight and we're talking to NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake.

01:33:57.000 We were just talking about how, as he began working at the NSA, his first day was September 11th, 2001.

01:34:04.000 He noticed that things had immediately changed.

01:34:07.000 The rules of the game had changed.

01:34:09.000 Mr. Drake, talk to us about how things had changed with the FISA court, for example.

01:34:17.000 Well that was just one of a number of secret orders that were issued from the White House as well as the other command authorities underneath the White House and the executive branch of the government.

01:34:29.000 I don't think people yet fully appreciate precisely what 9-11 triggered.

01:34:33.000 I said that for all intents and purposes 9-11 was the trigger in which the government in secret suspended the Constitution and we've been operating under emergency powers ever since.

01:34:45.000 Every time I say that, people just stare at me.

01:34:48.000 Most people still stare at me in disbelief.

01:34:50.000 They just can't imagine that happened.

01:34:51.000 But that's effectively what did happen.

01:34:54.000 And that's precisely what I confronted.

01:34:56.000 One of the things they just tossed overboard and threw aside was the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the secret court.

01:35:05.000 That was actually created in 1978 because, under the Carter administration, because of severe abuses of executive power against Americans in violation of the Constitution in the previous decades.

01:35:16.000 And of course, you and I are about the same age.

01:35:19.000 We grew up watching the situation with Richard Nixon.

01:35:22.000 We grew up watching the Church Committee hearings, the Pike Committee hearings, brought to the public's attention for the first time, even the existence of the NSA.

01:35:28.000 They've been secretly created by an executive order by President Truman.

01:35:33.000 And when Pike asked the NSA director to show the charter that was created by executive order, he refused!

01:35:41.000 Pike was absolutely amazed.

01:35:43.000 He said, we're giving you billions of dollars of funding here and you won't even show us the charter that presumes to authorize you?

01:35:50.000 I mean, that's the way the NSA began, isn't it?

01:35:52.000 There was no such agency.

01:35:53.000 Never say anything.

01:35:54.000 I mean, for all of its prowess, and there's a lot of history that has still yet to be written, You know, it was an intelligence agency.

01:36:03.000 It was a military intelligence agency.

01:36:05.000 It wasn't formed by Congress.

01:36:07.000 There was no legislation.

01:36:08.000 There was no bill signed into law by the President.

01:36:11.000 It was literally the stroke of a secret pen in 1952.

01:36:16.000 And people just don't fully appreciate what that means and how easy is it?

01:36:20.000 to abuse that power.

01:36:22.000 And that came to a head in the 70s.

01:36:24.000 That's why for me, I grew up as a very young teenager during the 70s, and I remember all of those abuses of power unfolding.

01:36:31.000 People forget that the articles of impeachment that were actually formulated in the House of Representatives against President Nixon included using instruments of national power against the American public in violation of the Constitution.

01:36:48.000 And we ultimately had a president resigning his office.

01:36:53.000 Of course, Nixon later said, as you may recall, During the interviews, the Frost interviews, that if the president says it's not legal, then it's legal.

01:37:06.000 I mean, if he says it's okay, it's legal.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, and along those lines, I want to play this clip for you and get your reactions.

01:37:12.000 Again, we've had Michael Hayden bragging about what he did in the aftermath of this.

01:37:16.000 This is a clip from Washington and Lee University.

01:37:19.000 And of course, we've had a lot of discussions about Section 215 of the Patriot Act.

01:37:23.000 They claim that that authorized them to retain all this information from Americans to do dragnet surveillance.

01:37:29.000 The question being, of course, the Patriot Act, does it itself obviously violates our rights under the Constitution.

01:37:37.000 But this is what Michael Hayden had to say about Section 215.

01:37:41.000 All your talk today about 215.

01:37:42.000 215 is such a safe haven.

01:37:49.000 215 is legislated by Congress.

01:37:51.000 I was doing metadata collection under the President's raw Article 2 authorities from October 7, 2001 forward.

01:37:58.000 That's just so amazing to me.

01:37:59.000 Every time I look at that clip, the arrogance of Michael Hayden saying, ah, 215, that was a safe haven, that was done by the Congress, of course, in violation of the Constitution.

01:38:09.000 Then he says, I had orders from the President.

01:38:10.000 He points to his chest.

01:38:12.000 What do we call a system of government where one person makes all the orders, Mr. Drake?

01:38:19.000 Yeah, it comes under different names, but tyranny, totalitarianism, when you combine it, what people don't fully appreciate yet is extraordinary partnerships that NSA engaged in, had even before 9-11, with a number of telcos and other information technology companies, but particularly the telephone companies.

01:38:40.000 They've had those partnerships for a long, long time.

01:38:41.000 Those are greatly expanded after 9-11.

01:38:43.000 That's a fascist system.

01:38:46.000 This is what happened.

01:38:47.000 I mean, he's actually chortling about the powers that he had before things had to be put back into the box once they started being exposed in the press.

01:38:59.000 Raw executive authority is not the form of government, I took an oath to support and defend.

01:39:04.000 In fact, that's an alien form of government that is a direct threat to our republic.

01:39:09.000 And you can see how much he loves that power in that clip and the other times where he's bragged about this.

01:39:09.000 Absolutely.

01:39:15.000 So you see this is happening and immediately you start talking to people internally, going through proper channels.

01:39:21.000 This takes a very long time and in 2004 the DOD Inspector General produces their final report.

01:39:28.000 Tell us about that.

01:39:29.000 Well, the final report, that had to do with the thin thread and trailblazer requirements.

01:39:34.000 And, you know, it was a secret report.

01:39:37.000 There never was a public version made until shortly after the conclusion of my criminal case, many, many years later.

01:39:45.000 That report made it clear that Trailblazers was an utter failure and many billions and billions have been spent.

01:39:53.000 But that was just one of the channels where I blew the whistle.

01:39:57.000 I also was a material witness and whistleblower for two 9-11 congressional investigations.

01:40:01.000 But all of my material evidence, all of the depositions, the oral testimony, all of it was censored and suppressed.

01:40:11.000 In fact, as I found out later, The only record that exists that anybody can find to date, and we're talking over 13 years later, is that I was interviewed.

01:40:21.000 All the actual evidence apparently is buried.

01:40:25.000 What did I tell you?

01:40:26.000 It was so secret that it couldn't even be in the secret report of the joint inquiry.

01:40:32.000 So they swept all that under the rug.

01:40:34.000 They kept it secret.

01:40:35.000 The Constitution has been suspended.

01:40:36.000 I mean, this is when I confronted the General Counsel on NSA.

01:40:39.000 I said, you're asking me to accept, in the name of national security, that we can just simply set aside the Constitution.

01:40:47.000 I said, there is a constitutional means in this country.

01:40:51.000 If the laws aren't working or the laws are insufficient, we go to Congress.

01:40:55.000 And he said, if we do that, they'll say no.

01:40:58.000 And what you don't understand, Mr. Drake, we live in exigent conditions.

01:41:01.000 This is emergency conditions.

01:41:03.000 It was the ends, the ends, you know, justified the means.

01:41:06.000 And so we just need the data.

01:41:08.000 And it was just extraordinary.

01:41:10.000 It didn't matter where they got it from.

01:41:12.000 It's just, and they had the authority of the president.

01:41:15.000 So we live in an emergency.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:16.000 They're going to follow orders.

01:41:17.000 So obviously someone like me getting in the way, standing up, is going to be a marked person.

01:41:22.000 And I was targeted very early on as a troublemaker.

01:41:26.000 I was targeted very early on as a threat to the orders that were being handed down.

01:41:30.000 And of course they kept this very secret.

01:41:33.000 The vast majority of NSA did not know That there was this whole other program in which they had literally turned the United States of America into the equivalent of a foreign nation for vast, dragnet electronic surveillance on an extraordinary scale, a scale that has still not been fully revealed to this day, in spite of even the Snowden disclosures, in spite of the disclosures that I made, in spite of the disclosures that others made, although more information has been coming out.

01:41:58.000 And of course, that's one of the things that scares us so much is the idea that they're at war with the entire world, including American territory, when we look at the indefinite detention without trial by the US military.

01:42:09.000 As you pointed out, of course, the NSA began and continues as a military intelligence organization.

01:42:16.000 Those are the things that keep us awake at night if we actually look into this abyss.

01:42:21.000 And I want to talk to you, too, about geospatial intelligence and some of those aspects of tracking our activity, looking at our metadata, what the consequences of that are.

01:42:33.000 We have so many things to discuss.

01:42:35.000 I wish we had more time.

01:42:36.000 I want to continue on, though, with what happened with your prosecution before we come back.

01:42:41.000 And after you try, you hit this stone wall of secrecy.

01:42:46.000 In 2005, you contact a reporter and you send her some emails and it exposes some of what is going on and then the retaliation starts.

01:42:54.000 When we come back, we're going to talk to Thomas Drake, NSA whistleblower, about how that retaliation looked.

01:42:59.000 Stay with us.

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01:47:43.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.

01:47:46.000 We're talking to Thomas Drake, NSA whistleblower.

01:47:46.000 I'm David Knight.

01:47:49.000 We're going through the chronology of what happened to him, and we're about at the point Where they come after him and allege that he mishandled classified documents.

01:48:00.000 Amazing parallels to what's going on with Hillary Clinton.

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01:48:06.000 We're going to go right back to Mr. Drake in just a moment.

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01:48:40.000 Mr. Drake, we were just talking about what happened.

01:48:42.000 You go to the NSA, you began on September 11th, and I want to get to that in this final segment that we have with you as well.

01:48:50.000 What you saw there, you saw a dragnet surveillance.

01:48:53.000 You were concerned about the constitutionality of that.

01:48:55.000 You were concerned about the massive boondoggle waste that was happening.

01:48:59.000 You went through internal channels.

01:49:00.000 You went to the House.

01:49:02.000 There was a report filed.

01:49:03.000 It was kept secret.

01:49:04.000 The public was not notified.

01:49:06.000 Then in 2005 now, we get to this point, you go to a reporter at the Baltimore Sun.

01:49:12.000 She writes about what has happened with some of the information that you gave her, non-classified information that you gave her.

01:49:19.000 Now they get into retaliation mode.

01:49:23.000 And in 2007, they raid you, they raid Mr. Binney and others.

01:49:26.000 Tell us about that.

01:49:27.000 Yeah, I actually contacted a reporter for the first time in late February of 2006, anonymously.

01:49:33.000 I was well aware of the surveillance system.

01:49:36.000 And it was clear that when the James Risen, Eric Lichtblau article was published in December 2005 in the New York Times, revealing for the first time publicly the existence of the so-called warrantless wiretapping program, that people like myself would no doubt become targets if they launched an investigation.

01:49:55.000 They did that two weeks later.

01:49:56.000 Long story short, myself and my colleagues and others became targets.

01:50:01.000 Because we were some of the few people that actually knew about the stellar wind or what came under the President's surveillance program that had been operating in the deepest of secrecy since shortly after 9-11.

01:50:13.000 Long story short, I was put under extraordinary surveillance, physical and electronic, and my colleagues were raided unceremoniously and searched in July, and then four months later I was getting ready to go down to the National Defense University where I was teaching.

01:50:29.000 And I looked out my window and there's a dozen FBI agents streaming across the front lawn and that's when the nightmare began.

01:50:36.000 Wow.

01:50:37.000 Wow.

01:50:38.000 And you know, even though this has been released by the whistleblowers after your prosecution, As late as 2013, we had James Clapper still lying publicly to Congress when Ron Wyden asked him about this dragnet surveillance.

01:50:57.000 He says, no, no, not to my knowledge.

01:50:59.000 And that was just a few months before Ed Snowden's documents came out.

01:51:02.000 They were still maintaining this line six years later that they weren't doing this.

01:51:06.000 Now tell us what they came after you for, what they alleged that you'd been saying.

01:51:10.000 Well, no matter what they say about a lie, you know, it travels all the way around the world before truth even gets its boots on, right?

01:51:16.000 So you just wait for the lie to come around and then you just, you know, kick it.

01:51:21.000 That's when you notice it.

01:51:22.000 It gets in the way, right?

01:51:24.000 It runs right into the truth, right?

01:51:26.000 That's right.

01:51:27.000 Never lie.

01:51:27.000 I mean, even though all this has come out in your trial, you know, years before, they're continuing to hold this line.

01:51:33.000 And tell us about these Documents that were supposedly classified that you were charged with willful retention of.

01:51:40.000 I mean, I'm looking at some of these titles.

01:51:41.000 What a success.

01:51:43.000 Regular meetings.

01:51:43.000 Volume is our friend.

01:51:44.000 I mean, this is the kind of management development stuff that you have to set through in some of these corporations, you know, as part of a requirement.

01:51:51.000 You can't stay awake. 0.95

01:51:52.000 This is ridiculous. 0.99

01:51:53.000 This is not anything that is even serious. 0.99

01:51:56.000 It was all a framed job because they wanted to burn somebody. 0.81

01:51:59.000 I know from inside sources Cheney had sent out the edict, fried, you know, find and fry somebody, make an example of them, burn them.

01:52:07.000 And I was, they actually thought that I was a ringleader for disclosing the secret surveillance programs, the program they wanted to keep way off the radar.

01:52:17.000 The last thing they wanted people to know was the public.

01:52:21.000 And so they came after me with everything they had.

01:52:24.000 And ironically enough, it's the very documents that in whole or in part I had given to government investigators looking at ThinThread, Trailblazer, and 9-11 intelligence.

01:52:36.000 And they're all unclassified.

01:52:38.000 And so ultimately, you know, they took them.

01:52:41.000 They forced, you know, forced classification review, decided they were super top secret, that many of them would cause exceptionally grave damage to the United States of America, the South Security United States, if it was disclosed.

01:52:53.000 And then it took them from November 2007 all the way until April of 2010, now under Obama, not under Bush, but under Obama, to find a way to indict me.

01:53:06.000 And they indicted me under the 1917 World War I Air Espionage Act.

01:53:11.000 And that's, of course, been a favorite of the Obama administration.

01:53:14.000 He's indicted more people under that act than all the previous presidents for the past hundred years combined.

01:53:20.000 Lanny Breuer was the one who oversaw your prosecution.

01:53:23.000 Of course, he was the one who let the banks, who were doing money laundering for drug cartels and terrorists, he let them go saying they were too big to jail.

01:53:30.000 How do you feel about the parallels between your case and what's going on with Hillary Clinton?

01:53:36.000 It's surreal, I have to tell you.

01:53:39.000 It really is.

01:53:40.000 And, you know, I've had some really interesting flashbacks just seeing all this play itself out.

01:53:47.000 You know, part of me realized the bike's grip on national security that she's in.

01:53:52.000 And, you know, you don't trifle with classification.

01:53:54.000 You don't trifle with secrecy.

01:53:56.000 And this is sort of like, you know, this is hardcore religion, right?

01:53:59.000 You're in violation of the doctrine.

01:54:01.000 You're in violation.

01:54:03.000 Now, having said that, there is clearly a double standard.

01:54:06.000 Yes.

01:54:07.000 A huge double standard.

01:54:08.000 So, in my case, blowing the whistle, not leaking, because leaking is not done in the public interest.

01:54:14.000 Most of the blowing is.

01:54:15.000 Threats to public safety or health, fraud, waste, abuse, violations of law.

01:54:19.000 So, whistleblowing in this case, criminalized because you're revealing government misconduct and wrongdoing and violations of law, including violations of the Constitution.

01:54:29.000 But hey, you get to play with the information and send it to your buds and use it for political purposes.

01:54:34.000 We're going to protect you.

01:54:36.000 And of course, what Hillary Clinton did, William Leonard, his former director of the Information Security Oversight Office, that's the people who do the classification stuff, he said that the stuff that you had should have never been classified.

01:54:47.000 I mean, there's the things like we mentioned before.

01:54:49.000 Let's have regular meetings.

01:54:50.000 Volume is our friend and everything.

01:54:51.000 On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has got intel from foreign leaders.

01:54:56.000 Conversations she had with them were intercepted intelligence that the NSA got.

01:55:00.000 That's the kind of stuff that she has.

01:55:02.000 And the same man who said that your stuff never should have been classified, that they tried to hang you on, William Leonard, said that there's a lot of stuff that Hillary Clinton had that is born classified.

01:55:12.000 Whether it was marked that way or when she put it on her computer or whether that was done later.

01:55:17.000 Precisely.

01:55:18.000 No, I mean, again, this is why it's so surreal.

01:55:21.000 We're talking about operational intelligence, we're talking about conduct of foreign affairs, very high-level diplomacy.

01:55:29.000 You're talking about other channels of information that are extraordinarily sensitive.

01:55:33.000 We've only got about... And here she is on a private server, and apparently it turns out there's a lot of people that she was communicating with via that means.

01:55:41.000 Absolutely.

01:55:42.000 And so I think, yeah, there is certainly a security violation in her case.

01:55:45.000 It certainly was retaliation in yours.

01:55:48.000 Now, we only got a couple of minutes left, and I really wanted to get to this earlier.

01:55:52.000 On 9-11, you pointed out that you saw that there was intelligence that the FBI, the CIA, the NSA had information that they could have stopped this beforehand.

01:56:01.000 Tell us about that.

01:56:03.000 Well, in summary, there was critical intelligence that was never shared properly, never acted upon, in some cases deliberately so, that could have stopped 9-11 dead in its tracks.

01:56:14.000 And that's just from the NSA side.

01:56:17.000 That doesn't count a lot of the other failures or cover up of information that should have made it for action.

01:56:25.000 I mean, look, the government is supposed to survive for the common defense and it utterly failed.

01:56:30.000 You know, the entire system was designed after World War II, we would never be surprised again, you know, the quote unquote, never would you again have an electronic Pearl Harbor.

01:56:39.000 And yet it's clear that it was also used, you know, there was the Cheney and company were looking for an excuse.

01:56:45.000 I have to say that.

01:56:46.000 I mean, I'm aware of a lot of the theories about 9-11.

01:56:49.000 I'm just saying when I was at NSA, you can imagine the shock of discovering critical intelligence reports that had enfolded the entire al-Qaeda network, which I shared with all the investigators, by the way, at the time that I had it, when in fact if they had been shared it properly, when in fact if they had been shared it properly, it could have stopped 9-11. 0.62

01:57:08.000 And what does that tell you?

01:57:09.000 So 9-11 happens, and yet they're too big to fail, and all of a sudden a huge intelligence failure.

01:57:14.000 And look what unleashed.

01:57:16.000 Okay, that is the consequence.

01:57:18.000 of not providing for the common defense.

01:57:23.000 They knew, as you point out, they had information.

01:57:26.000 They could have stopped it.

01:57:27.000 They could have looked.

01:57:27.000 They could have made counterintelligence a bigger priority.

01:57:31.000 They deliberately made that a low priority.

01:57:34.000 But of course, I believe that as we look at this, and Senator Graham has also said, there's too many coincidences just to write this off.

01:57:43.000 There had to be somebody kind of quarterbacking this.

01:57:46.000 What do you think of things like, for example, Building 7, which just happened to fall down without even being hit by a plane?

01:57:53.000 Well, there's a lot of controversy about that.

01:57:55.000 It also housed a lot of secret operations.

01:57:58.000 We're out of time.

01:57:59.000 Thank you so much, Thomas Drake.

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