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00:01:27.000 Fried rice, steamed rice, cooked rice, whatever you want to call it, boiled rice, it's Susan Rice.

00:01:33.000 And she's all over the media today. 0.86

00:01:35.000 She had an interview a few weeks ago, then she had an interview yesterday.

00:01:39.000 Now she does another interview today with Andrea Mitchell that blows up, folks. 1.00

00:01:43.000 And she truly embarrassed herself.

00:01:46.000 David, I know that you were breaking some of this down in the Alex Jones Show 4th Hour.

00:01:50.000 I'm Owen Schroer.

00:01:51.000 To my right is David Knight. 0.95

00:01:53.000 I don't know if it gets more ridiculous than this. 0.81

00:01:56.000 I mean, it seem like we're asking ourselves this question every day. 0.96

00:01:59.000 Can it get more ridiculous than what's going on right now in these politics? 0.83

00:02:03.000 But Susan Rice has taken it to another level, I think. 0.86

00:02:05.000 Well, you know, you're talking about all the different ways that Rice can be prepared.

00:02:10.000 We're seeing her milled right now, and the husk is being removed, and we're seeing the nasty underbelly of the national security state.

00:02:20.000 And I think people, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, Ought to be looking at this and saying, is this the way we want our government to operate?

00:02:28.000 I want to have transparency.

00:02:28.000 I don't.

00:02:30.000 I want to have privacy.

00:02:32.000 I don't want to see this being used as a massive political dirty tricks surveillance operation.

00:02:39.000 That's what we're seeing here.

00:02:40.000 This is something that we saw with J. Edgar Hoover.

00:02:42.000 J. Edgar Hoover would have loved to have the types of tools that these people have.

00:02:47.000 They have so much power In these surveillance tools that have been created, and we are seeing it being abused.

00:02:56.000 And to me, that is the important takeaway, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.

00:02:59.000 I am so disappointed, but I guess not surprised, to see people like Slate say, yeah, I want them spying on people.

00:03:08.000 Okay, let's do that.

00:03:09.000 Let's undercover this.

00:03:10.000 I don't want to see this kind of raw abuse of power, which is what we're seeing here.

00:03:14.000 And of course, we're seeing, as I mentioned before, Lemon, Don Lemon, saying, we're not going to cover this at all, but there are other people at CNN, and I didn't have time to fully break this down, Owen, when I was over there running out of time, but there was a very good article on The Hill by a couple of people who were at CNN who really do want to look at this information.

00:03:34.000 And so I want to break this down a little bit because they asked some very interesting questions.

00:03:38.000 They said, this is a smoking gun, and this is why it matters.

00:03:43.000 And when they're talking about this, they said, we have to understand We've put these protections on here for a very important reason.

00:03:53.000 We did not want our government to spy on Americans.

00:03:56.000 They were doing this 40 years ago in the 1970s.

00:03:59.000 That's why we had the Church and Pike Committee hearings.

00:04:01.000 That's why we had the FISA Act.

00:04:03.000 Then they turn around, they use the FISA Act to do dragnet surveillance on the American public.

00:04:08.000 That's what we learned from Snowden.

00:04:09.000 And that's as Rand Paul pointed out.

00:04:12.000 They go before a single judge and it's one individual from the U.S. government.

00:04:18.000 And there's nobody arguing the other side.

00:04:20.000 There's nobody there arguing for the Constitution or for the Bill of Rights.

00:04:24.000 And they say, we would like to get a search warrant for everybody on Verizon.

00:04:28.000 And they say, okay, that's fine.

00:04:29.000 And they call that a legal proceeding.

00:04:31.000 And so what they have done is they've taken The instrument that was designed 40 years ago to put a check on surveillance of the American public, and they have now turned that into a legal tool to go with their new technological tools.

00:04:45.000 That's what we should be concerned about.

00:04:47.000 And here's how some of this stuff looks when we look at it.

00:04:50.000 She says, we know for certain the case of former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn.

00:04:54.000 His name was acquired, retained, disseminated, not only around the government, but also to the Washington Post.

00:05:02.000 No fewer than nine former or current intelligence officials discussed the matter with the paper.

00:05:07.000 The leaking of this information is a different matter altogether.

00:05:10.000 It carries a possible 10-year prison sentence for a felony conviction.

00:05:16.000 And so she said, apart from the fact that this was a leak, that this was a criminal felony with a 10-year sentence, What crime did Flynn commit to merit uncovering his name?

00:05:29.000 Because by law, it is supposed to be sealed.

00:05:31.000 The American public deserves an answer, she said.

00:05:34.000 And that's very important.

00:05:36.000 Then they go on.

00:05:36.000 Why were other Trump team members' names unmasked?

00:05:41.000 Why did they do this going back to when he was a candidate, even before he had secured the nomination?

00:05:47.000 I think if we go back and we look at this, We're going to find these corrupt politicians were probably not just looking at Trump.

00:05:54.000 They were probably looking at all the other Republican candidates.

00:05:56.000 They were probably using this to get information on Bernie Sanders, for example.

00:06:00.000 Okay, we know they were doing dirty tricks in the DNC. Then she asked another interesting question.

00:06:04.000 And this is, she has a tweet from another colleague of hers at CNN, Manu Raju.

00:06:10.000 And he said this, some of the communications picked up were Trump's transition officials talking about Trump's family.

00:06:16.000 So why in the world were conversations about Trump's family picked up, she says.

00:06:19.000 Finally, the suggestion of wrongful surveillance is compounded when you consider the Democrat ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, taking a trip to the White House on Friday afternoon to view the alleged unmasking documents.

00:06:34.000 And we talked about the The fact that they use these terms to spin what's really going on here, making it look like, oh, you unmasked Trump.

00:06:42.000 Like he's the one who's doing something wrong.

00:06:44.000 No, what we're doing right now is we're unmasking Donna Rice.

00:06:48.000 We're unmasking her crimes.

00:06:49.000 But after he saw the evidence, what did Schiff do?

00:06:52.000 Did he go to everybody and say, see, see, we were right all along?

00:06:56.000 No, he didn't.

00:06:57.000 He issued a statement.

00:06:59.000 That merely complained about how long it took for him to get the information.

00:07:02.000 But notably, he did not dismiss the allegations of unmasking.

00:07:06.000 So in other words, he was saying, hey, there's nothing here.

00:07:09.000 Just like Don Lemon, he said there's nothing here.

00:07:12.000 But he goes to take a look at the documents and then he goes, see, I saw the documents and nothing was unmasked.

00:07:17.000 No, he was absolutely silent about that.

00:07:19.000 The only thing he could say was, well, it took him a long time to show me that stuff.

00:07:22.000 Well, what did they show you, Adam?

00:07:23.000 He was asked about it on CNN on Sunday.

00:07:26.000 So Friday he goes, Sunday he goes, he looks at the documents on Friday, he goes on television on Sunday.

00:07:32.000 And he says, well, I can't talk about that. 0.86

00:07:34.000 I'd have to kill you if I told you.

00:07:36.000 This is what we're seeing from these people. 0.99

00:07:38.000 And this is what she points out.

00:07:40.000 This is somebody who's honest at CNN, who, quite frankly, has probably just ended her career at CNN. She says, really?

00:07:46.000 After endlessly clamoring for evidence of unmasking, the Democrats look at the documents and then they refuse to comment further?

00:07:55.000 What does that tell us?

00:07:57.000 I think it's pretty clear.

00:07:58.000 The whole house is burned down on this point from so many different angles because they always have to fall back on either, well, we're investigating Russian ties, but they have no evidence.

00:08:08.000 So then they have to fall back on, well, it was just intermittent that we just happened to pick up the surveillance that just happened to have these names that we had to unmask.

00:08:17.000 And I think another story here is before we go to the tape of Susan Rice on MSNBC today with Andrea Mitchell, we're going to expose her and her double-think and her contradicting herself on air three different times in the short 15-minute segment.

00:08:31.000 But another story here, David, I think is the complete...

00:08:36.000 I don't know how to...

00:08:37.000 It's just one side of the media covering this one way, and then the other side of it covering the complete opposite way, where Fox News is calling this out.

00:08:44.000 Fox News is all over this.

00:08:45.000 They're saying Susan Rice is lying.

00:08:46.000 She's breaking the law. 0.83

00:08:48.000 We've got her unmasking.

00:08:49.000 We've got her here.

00:08:50.000 Meanwhile, like you said, CNN is trying to bury this slate.

00:08:53.000 And by the way, could you guys pull up that slate picture again?

00:08:55.000 I wanted to point this out.

00:08:57.000 That picture of Michael Flynn shaking Susan Rice's hand...

00:09:01.000 For some reason, I look at Michael Flynn and I think he had an idea what was about to happen.

00:09:06.000 He looked like he was the cat that just ate the canary in this picture.

00:09:10.000 Look at that!

00:09:11.000 Tell me Michael Flynn doesn't know exactly that that's fried rice sitting to his left.

00:09:15.000 Well, it's one of the reasons, Owen, that I talked about This article that was on the hill from a couple of CNN contributors because that's the hope that we have.

00:09:25.000 Right now, we're seeing that pretty much this is breaking along partisan lines.

00:09:29.000 We have to understand that civil liberties, that privacy, that the Bill of Rights, that the Constitution, that we don't want to live in a Stasi state, this should be a bipartisan issue. 0.57

00:09:42.000 And there are a few people, and as I said, they may be kicked out of CNN because that certainly is not the CNN position.

00:09:47.000 The official position is We're not talking about it.

00:09:50.000 I didn't see anything.

00:09:51.000 We see no evil.

00:09:52.000 We hear no evil.

00:09:52.000 We speak no evil of the Democrats.

00:09:54.000 And so we're seeing that kind of partisanship that's going on there.

00:09:57.000 But my hope is that right now the Republicans are in power and the Republicans have cheerleaded this kind of surveillance state, saying that it's going to give us security.

00:10:07.000 Look, it does not give us security.

00:10:10.000 What did we see with these releases, Owen, of Vault 7?

00:10:13.000 We saw that they are Creating these exploits, breaking into our computers everywhere, and then not able or willing to keep control.

00:10:24.000 This is exactly like John McAfee said.

00:10:26.000 He said when he was talking to people, he said, we need to get into these Apple iPhones.

00:10:30.000 He said, if you get the key from Apple, you'll let it go.

00:10:34.000 You'll lose it.

00:10:34.000 It'll get into the wild and it'll compromise everybody's security.

00:10:38.000 Which is exactly what we saw in Vault 7. Not only did they curate all this stuff, and as we've been told in the past, they were the ones who were funding it, who were creating these exploits for the most part, but they put all this stuff together.

00:10:51.000 They lose all of this stuff It goes into the wild.

00:10:55.000 And even after it's in the wild, they don't tell anybody about it.

00:10:57.000 We have to have WikiLeaks tell people about it.

00:10:59.000 And then we have some companies like Cisco who work to try to plug these leaks, work with WikiLeaks.

00:11:04.000 Tell us what you've got.

00:11:05.000 WikiLeaks will fix it.

00:11:06.000 But then you've got others like Microsoft and Google who couldn't care less.

00:11:11.000 They don't want to hear anything.

00:11:12.000 They'll acknowledge the receipt of it to the extent that Julian Assange says, we're going to publish a list Of the companies that we've informed about how their software has been compromised to compromise your security.

00:11:23.000 And we're going to tell you those who will not fix it because here's the issue.

00:11:26.000 They kicked the door in at your home.

00:11:29.000 They kicked in the lock.

00:11:30.000 And then they're going to leave it exposed for criminals.

00:11:33.000 Criminals can get in and they can take your bank account. 1.00

00:11:36.000 They can steal your identity because the CIA has created these hacks and has left it out there.

00:11:40.000 Does that make you more safe and more secure?

00:11:44.000 No, it doesn't.

00:11:46.000 So whenever you give up your liberty for the promise of safety and security, you lose both your liberty and your safety and your security.

00:11:53.000 And I'm hoping that the Republican politicians, Donald Trump and all these people on the right who have pushed for the surveillance state, I'm hoping they look at this and understand, as we've been saying here, Alex Jones has said it for years, I've said it for years, the first people who are going to be in danger Of this surveillance state are the politicians because they have power that other people want.

00:12:16.000 They will use these tools to not only expose wrongdoing of people, but to frame people.

00:12:23.000 And that's what we see happening now with Donald Trump.

00:12:25.000 They can frame people.

00:12:27.000 And they can put stuff on your computer even if you weren't doing anything.

00:12:31.000 So that is the concern that we see, that this is going to be used for political purposes, and that is precisely what we're now seeing.

00:12:39.000 So the people who are the most vulnerable to all of this are the people who have the power to change it if they only have the will to change it.

00:12:48.000 I still think that the Donald Trump wiretap tweet is the greatest troll tweet in the history of the world.

00:12:54.000 Because think about this, David.

00:12:55.000 After that tweet, look at the series of events that followed.

00:12:59.000 First, the Democrats freaked out and they said Trump was lying.

00:13:03.000 He was making it up.

00:13:04.000 Okay.

00:13:05.000 Then they had to admit that, okay, wait a second.

00:13:08.000 Yes, we did intermittently have this communications.

00:13:12.000 We did intermittently intercept this intelligence, but that's just intermittently.

00:13:17.000 That's not winningly.

00:13:18.000 So now they had to admit that they were spying.

00:13:21.000 Then they had to admit that they did indeed get the intelligence on Trump and his associates.

00:13:26.000 And then they also had to admit they found nothing burying the Russia narrative that they've been pushing for the last three months.

00:13:32.000 So it's the most beautiful tweet in the history of mankind by my measurement.

00:13:35.000 He beat the Democrats on three different angles with one tweet.

00:13:39.000 Who knows if he didn't intentionally or not.

00:13:41.000 But Susan Rice continues to embarrass herself, David.

00:13:44.000 Let's go to these clips from Susan Rice on MSNBC today with Andrea Mitchell.

00:13:48.000 We've got four clips.

00:13:49.000 Let's roll the first one right now.

00:13:52.000 Absolutely not for any political purposes to spy, expose anything.

00:13:56.000 Did you leak the name of Mike Flynn?

00:13:58.000 I leaked nothing to nobody.

00:14:00.000 I did nothing.

00:14:01.000 Let me explain this.

00:14:05.000 First of all, Andrea, to talk about the contents of a classified report, to talk about the individuals on the foreign side who were the targets of the The report itself or any Americans who may have been collected upon incidentally is to disclose classified information.

00:14:23.000 I'm not going to do that.

00:14:24.000 And those people who are putting these stories out are doing just that.

00:14:28.000 I can't describe any particular report I saw.

00:14:31.000 And by the way, I have no idea what reports are allegedly are being described by those who are putting out this story.

00:14:38.000 I don't know what time frame they were from.

00:14:41.000 I don't know the subject matter.

00:14:42.000 And I don't know who they think was collected upon.

00:14:45.000 So she knows nothing.

00:14:47.000 She has no idea.

00:14:48.000 She can't recall.

00:14:51.000 But somehow there's a source for this.

00:14:53.000 Somebody had to source this.

00:14:55.000 She was in the position to do it.

00:14:57.000 She's the one all the fingers are being pointed at. 0.98

00:14:59.000 And then she may have actually incriminated herself by saying if anybody or whoever leaked this actually broke the law.

00:15:06.000 Yeah, well, maybe she needs to go in and just read the articles that are on the top of the Drudge Report from the Daily Caller and others.

00:15:12.000 She even said she has no idea.

00:15:13.000 She hasn't seen the reports, David.

00:15:15.000 Yeah, well, that's a nice line to take.

00:15:18.000 And, you know, again, we've heard this all before as Watergate slowly unfolded over a period of years.

00:15:23.000 This is what...

00:15:25.000 Watergate looked like.

00:15:26.000 Except these people have far more capability than Richard Nixon or J. Edgar Hoover, any of these people who would use their political power and their tools of office to spy on people.

00:15:39.000 They now have a massive surveillance state that is there.

00:15:42.000 And clearly, we have multiple officials who've gone on the record with Daily Caller saying that she knew about this.

00:15:50.000 She was the one who, you know, the buck stops here.

00:15:52.000 That's what Truman said.

00:15:53.000 The person at the top is responsible for this.

00:15:55.000 That she was involved directly in this.

00:15:57.000 We have individuals who have gone on the record to say that she exposed this.

00:16:02.000 That is a violation of the law because if you have Americans that are picked up under FISA, you are not allowed to release their names.

00:16:10.000 That's what we're talking about.

00:16:11.000 We're talking about unmasking.

00:16:12.000 We're talking about the fact that the law requires you to make them anonymous.

00:16:17.000 And she wanted to make them political targets because she wanted to use guilt by alleged association. 0.99

00:16:23.000 And again, when we look at what Michael Hayden is saying, he says it doesn't even have to be that individual talking to somebody.

00:16:30.000 It could be other individuals talking about Trump and that could flag this as part of their intercepts.

00:16:37.000 So that's where this is headed.

00:16:39.000 Take a look at this though.

00:16:40.000 This might be the most regrettable interview of Susan Rice's career.

00:16:44.000 A known liar Somebody that lied about people dying in Benghazi.

00:16:48.000 Now she's lying about the government spying.

00:16:50.000 But I promise you, this next clip, I promise you folks.

00:16:54.000 Yes, I did edit it together.

00:16:56.000 But this is from the same interview.

00:16:58.000 All of these clips, back to back, I swear, are from the same interview with Andrea Mitchell.

00:17:04.000 Listen to Susan Rice fumble all over herself in contradictions. 0.82

00:17:09.000 Absolutely false.

00:17:10.000 And circulated.

00:17:10.000 No spreadsheet.

00:17:12.000 Nothing of the sort.

00:17:13.000 And let me also elaborate and say that when the intelligence community would respond to a request from a senior national security official for the identity of an American, that would come back only to the person who requested it.

00:17:27.000 So they requested it.

00:17:28.000 If I saw an intelligence report that looked potentially significant, and understand by definition, if it's being provided to me, it is significant.

00:17:34.000 I don't solicit reports.

00:17:36.000 I only receive what the intelligence community thinks.

00:17:38.000 Oh, now she doesn't request the report.

00:17:40.000 So she just said she requested it, now she doesn't request it.

00:17:44.000 For me and others who served, it was not uncommon.

00:17:48.000 In fact, it was necessary at times to make those requests.

00:17:52.000 Now she's back to requesting.

00:17:54.000 Okay, now she's requested it again.

00:17:55.000 Now she's going to request it.

00:17:56.000 Okay.

00:17:58.000 And it's important for everybody to understand, the President of the United States and people in the White House do not have the ability to order such collection.

00:18:06.000 Oh, now they can't request it.

00:18:08.000 Now they don't even have the ability to request it.

00:18:10.000 It never originates in the White House.

00:18:13.000 So, not only did it not occur, it didn't occur and it couldn't have occurred.

00:18:17.000 Oh, now it didn't even occur and it was never requested.

00:18:20.000 After the President requested the compilation...

00:18:22.000 Oh, now the President did request it!

00:18:24.000 What is going on here, Susan Rice?

00:18:26.000 Provided in January, yes.

00:18:28.000 What happened was, as the IC went about the business...

00:18:31.000 The intelligence community went about the business of following up on the president's order.

00:18:34.000 Now she tries to scapegoat the intelligence community. 1.00

00:18:36.000 For such a report.

00:18:37.000 And now again there's a request.

00:18:40.000 And then what did she just say?

00:18:41.000 Scrubbed reports?

00:18:42.000 I'm sorry, did she just have a Freudian slip? 0.70

00:18:45.000 President Obama was eavesdropping on him at Trump Tower.

00:18:49.000 Absolutely false.

00:18:51.000 Even though her entire conversation is admittance of it.

00:18:56.000 It has made that very clear.

00:18:57.000 There was no such collection surveillance on Trump Tower.

00:19:01.000 Even though the entire reason they're having this conversation is because of the intelligence that was collected.

00:19:06.000 We thought it was crucial to defend the integrity of our election process and to be able to respond appropriately to what the Russians did to understand the full extent of their involvement.

00:19:19.000 And now she's saying, well, yes, we were doing it to figure out what was going on with Russia.

00:19:23.000 As the intelligence community got more and more information on that and shared it with U.S. officials.

00:19:27.000 You've never seen anything like this in your life.

00:19:29.000 It was not typically broadly disseminated throughout the national security community.

00:19:31.000 Oh, but nobody knows about it, so I don't know why we're even talking about it.

00:19:34.000 It was never broadly disseminated.

00:19:36.000 Some people are trying to suggest that by asking for the identity of an American person, that is the same as leaking it, is completely false.

00:19:45.000 Now she thinks we're getting the terms convoluted. 0.98

00:19:48.000 She thinks we're dumb. 0.97

00:19:49.000 Now, we know the difference. 0.97

00:19:50.000 So here you go, David.

00:19:52.000 First, she contradicts herself three different times on whether she can or cannot make such a request.

00:19:58.000 Then she contradicts herself whether such a request was ever made to begin with in the first place or that she knew.

00:20:04.000 Then she affirms the previous conversations by saying, yes, we were looking into this to find out Trump's Russian ties.

00:20:13.000 Have you ever seen a more...

00:20:16.000 I don't even know what you would call that.

00:20:18.000 Just blatant, bold-faced, lying, propaganda, making things up as you go?

00:20:22.000 What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

00:20:25.000 We have a weaving spider there, as they would say.

00:20:28.000 Wow.

00:20:29.000 At the Bohemian Grove.

00:20:31.000 Let's go to the article that was at the top of Drudge today.

00:20:31.000 Susan's web.

00:20:34.000 This is the one from the Daily Caller Foundation.

00:20:37.000 Susan Rice ordered spy agencies to produce detailed spreadsheets involving Trump.

00:20:42.000 And this is what they say.

00:20:43.000 This is according to, now we got three people who went on the record to make these accusations.

00:20:48.000 These are not anonymous sources anymore.

00:20:50.000 Yesterday we were seeing these reports from Bloomberg, reported this, and so we've had multiple people contact us and say they have never seen the intelligence community politicized the way that it is.

00:21:01.000 She's fed up with this. 1.00

00:21:02.000 They're blowing the whistle on this.

00:21:03.000 Now we've got names associated with this accusing her of creating detailed spreadsheets. 1.00

00:21:09.000 She ordered US spy agencies to produce detailed spreadsheets of legal phone calls involving Donald Trump and his aides when he was running for president.

00:21:18.000 In other words, phishing for something.

00:21:20.000 And also trying to make him guilty by association, by allegations.

00:21:25.000 Now this is coming from former U.S. Attorney Joseph DeGenova.

00:21:29.000 He said, I hate to use that word unmasked.

00:21:42.000 Let's not use that word.

00:21:44.000 They fingered them illegally, okay?

00:21:49.000 Trump associates in perfectly legal conversations with individuals.

00:21:52.000 He didn't do anything wrong.

00:21:53.000 He didn't need a mask.

00:21:54.000 She's the one with the mask. 0.52

00:21:57.000 She's the one with the lies here. 0.70

00:21:59.000 And they point out There are multiple sources that have reported to both Fox News, to Bloomberg News, now to The Daily Caller.

00:22:06.000 People are coming out and talking about this.

00:22:08.000 It's starting to open up because the ship is sinking and nobody wants to be the last person.

00:22:15.000 So all the rats, and I'm not calling the people who are whistleblowers rats, these are the good people who are talking about this, but we're going to get to the position once these good whistleblowers start pointing out what's going on, then we're going to see even the rats Jumping off of the ship and giving it up.

00:22:31.000 They say they reported that Rice had requested the intelligence information produced in a highly organized operation.

00:22:37.000 That's very key.

00:22:38.000 And remember, they go back and talk about Evelyn Farkas at the beginning of March.

00:22:41.000 She was on television with MSNBC. Said she was urging her former colleagues at the time to get as much information as they could, as much intelligence as they could, before Obama leaves the administration.

00:22:50.000 But of course, this is going back to last summer.

00:22:53.000 Now, here's another individual.

00:22:55.000 Retired Colonel James Warishuk, a NSC veteran, former Deputy Director for Intelligence at U.S. CENTCOM. Okay?

00:23:04.000 So we've got a guy who's a former U.S. Attorney, Joseph DeGeneva.

00:23:09.000 We have a retired Colonel who was a National Security Council veteran.

00:23:13.000 Deputy Director for Intelligence at CENTCOM, U.S. Central Command, told The Daily Caller that many hands had to be involved throughout the Obama administration order to launch a political spying program like this.

00:23:24.000 He said surveillance initially is a responsibility of the National Security Agency.

00:23:28.000 They have to abide by this guidance.

00:23:30.000 When one of the other agencies says we're looking at this particular person we'd like to unmask.

00:23:35.000 So he says if you're going to reveal somebody's name that is an American citizen that has not committed a crime, you're going to have to make the case that they have committed a crime or that their name has to be released for some reason.

00:23:47.000 He said the lawyers and the counsels at the NSA would be talking to the lawyers and the counsels at the CIA or at the National Security Council Or the Director of National Intelligence, or the FBI. Now, I see a problem here.

00:24:00.000 There's too many people who have this information.

00:24:03.000 We have too many intelligence agencies.

00:24:05.000 When I talk about 17 agencies that are looking at all this information, that's how things can go south.

00:24:11.000 But, his point is, is that if you've got somebody who wants to reveal these names, to make names of Americans public, then that agency that has that information And again, it's not a wiretap because they're collecting this information on everybody.

00:24:25.000 It's just that now that they've curated this, they've stored this information, they can now release it and use it in a political way.

00:24:31.000 That's what you need to understand.

00:24:32.000 That's the danger of the surveillance state.

00:24:35.000 That's why we complain about what's going on in Utah.

00:24:40.000 The curating facility there as well.

00:24:43.000 They keep all this stuff, they curate all this stuff until the time is appropriate that they can use it against their political enemies.

00:24:50.000 Maybe that's you.

00:24:51.000 Maybe that's your elected official who really wants to change the government and they want to take him down.

00:24:56.000 Okay, so he says they would have to talk at the lawyers at the other places.

00:24:59.000 So that, he says, shows an unbelievable level and the degree of this administration to look for information on Donald Trump and his associates, his campaign team, his transition team.

00:25:11.000 He said this is really, really serious stuff.

00:25:14.000 This is a guy who was former deputy director for intelligence at U.S. Central Command and a National Security Council veteran.

00:25:22.000 Another person, a former National Security Council senior director.

00:25:26.000 Michael Doran told The Daily Caller, somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security secrets and partisan politics.

00:25:33.000 This is partisan politics.

00:25:35.000 We've got multiple people speaking out about how the infrastructure would require that somebody at the level of Susan Rice, it would require that they would have to be the go-between to get past these legal hurdles that are there for all these different intelligence agencies.

00:25:51.000 And then you've got a former U.S. attorney Joseph DeGenova, who fingers her directly, saying she's creating a spreadsheet.

00:25:57.000 So she's got something to...

00:25:59.000 She's got some explaining to do here, as Ricky Ricardo would say.

00:26:04.000 Well, and despite the reports that you just alluded to, despite all the reports coming out, despite the 16-minute segment that she shot with Andrea Mitchell, we'll have a few more clips from that in the next segment, but despite all of that, she still went on air yesterday...

00:26:20.000 And pretended like she had no idea that any of this was going on.

00:26:24.000 Let's roll to that clip.

00:26:25.000 Let's come back to that in a moment.

00:26:34.000 Here it is.

00:26:35.000 to testify.

00:26:37.000 Well, this is actually a different clip.

00:26:38.000 Would you be willing to go to Capitol Hill?

00:26:40.000 So this is actually Susan Rice being asked if she would testify.

00:26:46.000 Listen to what she says.

00:26:47.000 But what I will say is that the investigations that are underway as to the Russian involvement in our electoral process are very important.

00:26:56.000 They're very serious.

00:26:58.000 And every American ought to have an interest in those investigations.

00:27:03.000 So she doesn't answer the question, would she testify?

00:27:05.000 Of course she doesn't want to testify because she'd end up being guilty and be going to jail. 1.00

00:27:10.000 And then she diverts and has to bring up Russia again.

00:27:13.000 Because it wasn't the Russians who hacked the election.

00:27:16.000 It was Susan Rice and it was the DNC who hacked the primary against Bernie Sanders. 1.00

00:27:20.000 And it was Susan Rice who was doing the hacking here. 0.88

00:27:23.000 And that's the thing that people need to understand.

00:27:25.000 That's the silence of Adam Schiff When he was shown the documents, I think that's very telling.

00:27:31.000 It's also telling, Owen, that they would pull out Andrea Mitchell.

00:27:35.000 A reliable shill for the state.

00:27:39.000 Somebody who is married to Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve Chief.

00:27:43.000 They can always count on Andrea Mitchell to help out in a situation like this.

00:27:48.000 And she did everything she could to help Susan Rice come up with a denial for this.

00:27:53.000 Giving her leading questions, helping her at every opportunity.

00:27:57.000 This shows the bias of MSNBC, if you ever saw it, this interview, the way she led these questions for Susan Rice.

00:28:05.000 She kind of put off a Maxine Waters vibe, actually, Andrea Mitchell, during this interview.

00:28:10.000 This is the final clip.

00:28:11.000 This is Susan Rice.

00:28:13.000 I mean, Russia, they're just taking over everything. 0.99

00:28:17.000 Finally, do you think we'll ever get to the bottom of the Russian hacking?

00:28:21.000 I think we have to, Andrea.

00:28:22.000 This is something very, very serious.

00:28:25.000 A hostile government.

00:28:27.000 Inserted itself into our electoral process in a significant way.

00:28:33.000 Doing so with biased intent.

00:28:37.000 And that's the conclusion of our intelligence agencies.

00:28:40.000 We also know they're meddling in elections in Europe among our close allies.

00:28:43.000 There it is.

00:28:44.000 So nationalism is taking over around the globe, and they're going to blame Russia for it, folks. 0.98

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00:30:31.000 On the other side, we'll talk a little bit more about Susan Rice.

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00:34:07.000 Welcome back to this InfoWars Live 3 to 5. Owen Troyer, David Knight exposing Susan Rice, who turns out to be one of the biggest liars to come out of the Obama administration.

00:34:19.000 And that is saying a lot, folks.

00:34:21.000 This is a woman that could have disappeared off the face of the earth Instead, she had to be part of a political witch hunt, and now she'll be forever remembered as fried rice, steamed rice, boiled rice, cooked rice, and that's who she is.

00:34:34.000 But, of course, it was CNN and Don Lemon attempting to stick up for her last night.

00:34:39.000 If you've got Don Lemon in your corner to back you up, I'd probably just get out of the ring.

00:34:43.000 Here's Don Lemon from last night sticking up for Susan Rice.

00:34:47.000 It has been one month since the President of the United States falsely tweeted that former President Barack Obama wiretapped him.

00:34:55.000 One month later, the White House and the President are still trying to make a lie true.

00:34:59.000 And they're using the President's Twitter account, the White House press briefing podium, and right-wing media to do it.

00:35:06.000 Today it's a claim that President Obama's former national security adviser Susan Rice unmasked the names of Trump associates.

00:35:13.000 We will talk about that in detail in just a moment on this very program.

00:35:16.000 And last week, It was a debunked talking point that former Obama administration official Evelyn Marcus admitted spying on the Trump team.

00:35:24.000 She did no such thing.

00:35:25.000 The week before that, it was Representative Devin Nunes' clumsy effort to give the president cover for wiretapping claims.

00:35:31.000 The president said he was vindicated by Nunes.

00:35:34.000 He was not.

00:35:35.000 The Washington Post today calls the latest claims about Susan Rice, anatomy of a fake scandal ginned up by right-wing media and Trump.

00:35:43.000 So let us be very clear about this.

00:35:44.000 There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trump team surveilled or was spied on illegally.

00:35:51.000 There is no evidence that backs up the president's original claim.

00:35:54.000 And on this program tonight, we will not insult your intelligence by pretending otherwise, nor will we aid and abet the people who are trying to misinform you, the American people, by creating a diversion.

00:36:06.000 So he's just going to insult our intelligence by pretending that the elephant in the room isn't there.

00:36:12.000 He will aid and abet the politicized intelligence community.

00:36:15.000 Look, we have former U.S. Attorney General Joseph DeGeneva, who went on the record saying that Susan Rice had created detailed spreadsheets of legal phone calls of the Trump administration.

00:36:28.000 We also have a State Department official, Richard Grinnell, is expected to be nominated to serve as U.S. NATO ambassador.

00:36:36.000 He said it was common knowledge For weeks within the State Department, people were talking about it, insiders were talking about Susan Rice's role in this affair here, in terms of unmasking and creating this guilt by alleged association of Donald Trump.

00:36:54.000 This was a political dirty trick, folks.

00:36:57.000 And when they talk about having our election hacked, you have to understand that they have never, even though they use the term hacked, They have never said that Russians got in and flipped, electronically flipped voting machines.

00:37:11.000 And, of course, that was put on the record when they had Director Comey testify before Congress.

00:37:16.000 He was asked on a state-by-state basis, did the Russians change any votes here in this state and that state and that state?

00:37:22.000 And he said, no, no, no.

00:37:23.000 So they established that.

00:37:24.000 What they're saying is that they hacked the election because they created a false narrative.

00:37:30.000 These are the people who not only created a false narrative, but they used the electronic capability of the surveillance state to literally hack the election.

00:37:38.000 We've had WikiLeaks come out and tell us with Vault 7, look, they have these programs, Umbridge, where they curate the techniques for breaking into these different systems and they can make it look as though it's coming from another place.

00:37:51.000 They can create these tactics and techniques.

00:37:53.000 But then they went further and they showed us the Marble program where they would mimic The keyboard strokes and make it look like it was done in a foreign language on a foreign keyboard so that they could finger China or Russia or North Korea or somebody else.

00:38:08.000 And as we talked to John McAfee on multiple occasions, he says nobody that is even mildly competent would ever leave their fingerprints.

00:38:18.000 They would always put somebody else's fingerprints if they're going to hack into something as a state-ordered espionage.

00:38:24.000 And so we knew that they were doing that, but now we've actually seen the documents thanks to WikiLeaks.

00:38:29.000 And of course, Owen, we've also had the fact that...

00:38:32.000 What is the basis for the Russian hacking?

00:38:35.000 Well, we've had to take the word of the CrowdStrike CEO who was running the data services for the DNC. And the FBI director, Director Comey, has not seen that data.

00:38:49.000 So he is going simply on the word of the person who was hired by the Democrats that the Russians hacked this.

00:38:56.000 And it gets even worse.

00:38:57.000 We had an individual who was shopping around the Trump dossier.

00:39:02.000 Remember that?

00:39:02.000 The Dirty Dossier?

00:39:03.000 No, the Dirty Dossier was not a dossier at all.

00:39:06.000 It was a fake document.

00:39:07.000 What they should have called it is fake files, but it sounds so much better when they call it a dossier.

00:39:12.000 We're saying, you know what, I've got a dossier here that I had in my attaché.

00:39:17.000 But they give it this term to make it sound like it's spy versus spy.

00:39:21.000 It was simply faked files.

00:39:23.000 Who faked them?

00:39:24.000 A guy named Glenn Simpson, who used to work for the Wall Street Journal.

00:39:29.000 He was hired by a former Clinton supporter to get dirt on Donald Trump.

00:39:33.000 He was also connected to, he was one of the founders of Fusion GPS. These are the people who worked with Chris Steele, Who is the former MI5 agent who said he had produced this dirty dossier.

00:39:46.000 So here's a guy who was hired to get dirt on Trump by Clinton supporter.

00:39:51.000 Then his foundation works with Chris Steele to produce these fake files that they called a dossier.

00:39:57.000 And now we learn, thanks to The Daily Caller, that he was also involved in trying to roll back as a lobbyist for a Russian co-intel individual.

00:40:08.000 That he was going to roll back a 2012 law called the Magnitsky Act, which is going to roll back sanctions against Russian criminals.

00:40:16.000 So there's your Russian connection.

00:40:18.000 There's your Hillary Clinton connection.

00:40:20.000 And we simply have to take the word of people like Glenn Simpson, people like the CrowdStrike CEO, that this is really something there.

00:40:29.000 Even though we've seen absolutely nothing turned up by FBI Director Comey, Even though they're not investigating Susan Rice, as far as we can tell at this point, and even though Adam Schiff goes and looks at the documents and then is completely silent about what he saw.

00:40:44.000 Donald Trump said, here's the documents where we had this stuff unmasked.

00:40:48.000 He goes there and he says, well, it took him a long time to show me those documents, but I can't say anything about it.

00:40:52.000 I think Don Lemon is actually upset he didn't get invited to Barack Obama's hot dog memoir party on the abandoned island.

00:40:59.000 But it's funny that we're even having this debate here because, so they've been investigating this, they'll admit it, since October.

00:41:06.000 They always say October 7th is the day that they say they started this investigation.

00:41:10.000 I guess that's the day they realized Hillary Clinton was going to lose, so they had to begin this political witch hunt.

00:41:15.000 No, it goes back to July, actually.

00:41:17.000 I mean, all this stuff is a lie.

00:41:18.000 Well, of course, because we have the documents that show that they were monitoring Trump even during the Bush administration.

00:41:23.000 But the weirdest, obviously, we understand why, but it's just, again, we have it established.

00:41:29.000 Hillary Clinton made deals with Russia for uranium...

00:41:32.000 Directly for cash that got funneled back into her and Bill Clinton's charity, the Clinton Foundation.

00:41:40.000 So you got that.

00:41:41.000 Then you got John Podesta with his stocks, making stock deals with Russian. 0.52

00:41:45.000 That's in the news.

00:41:47.000 Podesta comes out and says, I didn't do anything illegal with my stock deals with Russia, but you did do stock deals with Russia.

00:41:53.000 Yes.

00:41:53.000 You think Trump's a Russian agent?

00:41:54.000 Well, yes.

00:41:55.000 He's obviously a Russian agent. 0.98

00:41:57.000 So it's just ridiculous. 0.98

00:41:58.000 And this whole thing is a political witch hunt. 0.94

00:42:00.000 And I don't, I mean, David, I was saying this yesterday to Rob Dew.

00:42:03.000 I feel like right now, if the Democrats are Let's say the Democrats are a lumberjack in the woods and they've just got one hatchet to try to chop down all of these Trump trees.

00:42:17.000 They're burning their hatchet.

00:42:18.000 They're burning their hatchet with this Russia thing.

00:42:20.000 They're burning the hatchet with the Neil Gorsuch holding up that confirmation. 0.87

00:42:25.000 They're going to screw themselves in 2020 when they try to force another candidate down our throat who spouts out the same nonsense that they've been doing for four years.

00:42:32.000 And they're going to screw themselves again when the next Supreme Court justice comes up. 0.91

00:42:36.000 And it's a liberal that they're trying to replace.

00:42:39.000 I mean, they're gonna have nothing.

00:42:40.000 They're gonna already have burned their hatchet. 0.97

00:42:41.000 They're being hoisted by their own batard. 0.97

00:42:43.000 They're being blown up by their own bomb because they wanted to continue this false narrative about a Russian hack.

00:42:48.000 And so people are exposing now and the intelligence community saying we're tired of seeing this information used illegally.

00:42:55.000 We're tired of seeing it used politically against political figures.

00:42:59.000 We do not want to live in a Stasi surveillance state.

00:43:01.000 We've had NSA whistleblowers who've warned us about this.

00:43:04.000 William Benny's warned us about this for a long time.

00:43:06.000 We are seeing how this looks.

00:43:08.000 And so now we've got people going on the record, making these accusations.

00:43:12.000 All we're getting are vague, contradicting denials from Susan Rice as she goes on with Andrea Mitchell, who is leading her by the hand, trying to help her walk down these, leaving breadcrumbs for her like Hansel and Gretel.

00:43:25.000 Okay, trying to get her out of the woods.

00:43:27.000 Okay, yeah.

00:43:27.000 Andrea and Susan.

00:43:28.000 So, yeah, that's it.

00:43:29.000 Andrea and Susan.

00:43:30.000 Susan, in the woods.

00:43:31.000 They are in the deep woods, folks.

00:43:33.000 And there is no turning this back.

00:43:36.000 And what we need to do is we need to not only expose these criminals in the Democrat Party who decided that they are not going to accept the election, but they are going to try to hack this election.

00:43:45.000 They worked from the primary, from the Democrat primary, to hack it against Bernie Sanders.

00:43:50.000 What did they do?

00:43:50.000 They were exposed.

00:43:51.000 They simply complained about, oh, I think we were hacked by the Russians.

00:43:55.000 Again, shoving it off to the Russians so nobody paid attention to what Hillary Clinton did to Bernie Sanders. 1.00

00:44:00.000 Then they start hacking the election themselves, literally hacking it, literally using electronic surveillance, breaking into things, curating this information, and then revealing it in an illegal way, committing multiple felonies, creating a spreadsheet committing multiple felonies, creating a spreadsheet of individuals so they can smear them by allegation, But now it is blowing up in their face, and we've got people going on record.

00:44:26.000 Again, the person who has been chosen, Trump's pick for NATO ambassador, Richard Grinnell, is talking about how this is common knowledge within the State Department.

00:44:33.000 We've got people who say this is common knowledge in the intelligence agencies.

00:44:36.000 We have a former U.S. attorney who has gone on record.

00:44:40.000 We have Other individuals who are high ranking on the National Security Council saying, this is the way that it works.

00:44:46.000 You have to understand the extent of institutional corruption that would be required to do this illegal unmasking, not even the illegal leaking through the Washington Post, but just to get this unmasked, to take away the anonymizing that has to happen according to the law.

00:45:05.000 You have to understand the institutional corruption that is there.

00:45:08.000 This is an opportunity.

00:45:10.000 This is a crisis, danger, and opportunity.

00:45:12.000 This is an opportunity for us to try to push back against this unaccountable, dark, deep surveillance state.

00:45:20.000 If we do not seize this moment in a bipartisan way, if we don't have good people at CNN who push back against this mindless partisan nonsense that we just heard from Don Lemming, Okay.

00:45:31.000 Lemon.

00:45:32.000 I always call him lemming because he is like a lemming running over the cliff, okay? 1.00

00:45:36.000 But we have the partisan media, but there are some people who understand what is truly at stake here.

00:45:42.000 If we lose this fight, we will go deeper into the totalitarian surveillance state.

00:45:48.000 We don't want to see this happen.

00:45:49.000 We don't want to see...

00:45:51.000 Our elections run by a dark surveillance society that has these kind of tools.

00:45:56.000 It was bad enough when we had J. Edgar Hoover blackmailing people all throughout Washington for his own personal benefit.

00:46:01.000 But this goes much broader.

00:46:04.000 And this is, they have far more powerful tools than anybody could ever imagine at that point in time.

00:46:09.000 We cannot allow this to continue without being answered, without being reformed and hopefully The people who are looking at this will go beyond just using this as a means to shut down these crooks in the Democrat Party who's remained in Washington.

00:46:22.000 We've never seen a former president stay this politically active to create a shadow government that's going to operate within Washington to continue to push this false narrative out there.

00:46:33.000 We've got to use that against them, not only destroy them, but also destroy the mechanism.

00:46:37.000 That's why when we talk about Obamacare, Owen, we need to understand that repeal of Obamacare It has to include not just getting rid of some of the bad aspects of it, but it's got to get to the fundamental roots of it.

00:46:50.000 Because if we don't rip out the roots, if we use in phase two, if we use the powers that the Health and Human Services Secretary has, If we use that to try to make this better, then what we're going to do is we're going to make this thing become fixed in place.

00:47:09.000 It will take root and we'll never get it out of our society.

00:47:11.000 And so we have to get to the structures that allow this kind of corruption, the structures that allow them to dictate our health care, to take away our life, our liberty, our money, and run our lives from Washington.

00:47:23.000 So we have to rip that out, not use it in phase two. 0.97

00:47:26.000 That's why I said this whole plan that came from Paul Ryan was absolute garbage.

00:47:30.000 And we heard Roger Stone talking to Alex Jones earlier today saying that what he's heard was this is a plan that was written by Boehner, passed to Paul Ryan, who then passed it to his friend from Wisconsin, Reince Priebus, who then gave it to Donald Trump, and Trump ran with his plan. 0.52

00:47:47.000 This plan was not repealed.

00:47:48.000 It left all of the power structure of Obamacare in place to be used by the next person. 0.96

00:47:54.000 And in the same way, we do not want to have this Stasi election, this hacking of the election that the Democrats did and continue to try to do.

00:48:03.000 We do not want to leave these levers of power there.

00:48:06.000 Even if we pull out these corrupt individuals, we don't want to leave those levers of power there to be used by the next person to come in, the next crooked group to come in.

00:48:15.000 I'm about to put out the phone number, but I just want to, again, kind of recap the series of events here.

00:48:22.000 The Democrats want to hoist Trump up as a Russian agent.

00:48:27.000 So what do they do?

00:48:28.000 They start saying Russian hacking, Russian hacking, Russian hacking.

00:48:31.000 Well, there was no Russian hacking.

00:48:33.000 They can't prove Russian hacking.

00:48:34.000 So what do they try to do to continue this political narrative?

00:48:37.000 They leak intel of an illegally unmasked intelligence report by Susan Rice.

00:48:44.000 Okay, so now the question becomes, well, where are they getting this intelligence report?

00:48:49.000 Well, Donald Trump said that he was being wiretapped by the Obama administration, so they can't admit that they were surveilling Donald Trump.

00:48:57.000 They got trapped there, so they can't admit that they were actually surveilling Donald Trump.

00:49:01.000 So now what are they saying?

00:49:02.000 They're saying it was unwitting.

00:49:04.000 And what does that mean?

00:49:05.000 What David Knight just broke down, that they're spying on all of us all the time.

00:49:09.000 They can pull up any of our data, any of our conversations.

00:49:12.000 We could all be unmasked, and they could use that to...

00:49:16.000 Blackmail people, politically get things done that they want to do whatever their agenda with, spy on everybody. 0.99

00:49:21.000 So it's just a crazy circle and the Democrats have really weaved quite a web, as David said a minute ago.

00:49:27.000 And we have to push back against the use of this term unmask.

00:49:30.000 Everybody is saying this and I keep saying it myself.

00:49:33.000 We have to say what's really involved here is framing.

00:49:36.000 They didn't unmask Trump.

00:49:39.000 We're now unmasking what Donna Rice did.

00:49:41.000 And what Donna Rice did was not unmask Trump. 0.75

00:49:44.000 She framed Trump.

00:49:45.000 That was what she was doing.

00:49:47.000 And that was illegal, what she did.

00:49:49.000 And so when they say unmask, it sounds like somebody else is doing something sinister.

00:49:53.000 They anonymized this stuff according to the FISA Act, according to law.

00:49:57.000 They were supposed to keep Americans anonymous unless they had committed a crime.

00:50:01.000 There was no crime that was committed.

00:50:03.000 We haven't seen that anybody here that Michael Flynn had created.

00:50:06.000 Show us the crime.

00:50:07.000 Show us the crime.

00:50:09.000 She framed Michael Flynn, too.

00:50:09.000 And she framed Flynn, too.

00:50:12.000 And, of course, she doesn't want to say that she would testify.

00:50:14.000 She did flame him. 0.61

00:50:15.000 And she flamed herself. 0.76

00:50:16.000 She's burnt rice now.

00:50:18.000 And, of course, she doesn't want to testify because she knows that she would get burned on that deal as well. 0.71

00:50:24.000 Phone lines.

00:50:25.000 1-877-789-ALEX, 1-877-789-ALEX, 1-877-789-ALEX, 1-877-789-2539.

00:50:38.000 And again...

00:50:42.000 The Democrats have to, they cannot win this battle.

00:50:46.000 I want to hear Andrew say, I did not have text with that organization.

00:50:50.000 Okay, that's what, just like we saw Bill Clinton lie about that, you know, we need to hear that admission from Susan Rice.

00:50:57.000 So are we all being spied on?

00:50:59.000 Did you illegally spy on Donald Trump?

00:51:03.000 And you know what Donald Trump should do?

00:51:07.000 Considering that this is the biggest FBI investigation ever now, this Trump thing.

00:51:11.000 Did you know the FBI has actually created its own...

00:51:13.000 There's an entire new branch of the FBI dedicated just to this.

00:51:17.000 How about that?

00:51:17.000 A new branch of the FBI dedicated just to this political witch hunt.

00:51:21.000 So you know what Donald Trump should do?

00:51:22.000 The FIB? The FIB? Here's what Donald Trump should do.

00:51:27.000 Donald Trump should start to pull some of his own Intelligence reports, start to pull some of his own intelligence and start to unmask that and start to show how John Podesta is in touch with the Russians, how Clinton was in touch with the Russians, and just say, hey, look, we're doing a Russian investigation.

00:51:44.000 Let's find out all of it.

00:51:46.000 And now he can unmask Clinton.

00:51:47.000 He can unmask Podesta.

00:51:49.000 If they're allowed to do it and they're not going to have to go in front of a judge, then I think that Trump's team should do the same thing and put a mirror right up to these Democrats.

00:51:57.000 I think one of the reasons why they're dragging their feet so much on Trump appointments is they don't want to have a full Justice Department there that can open an investigation.

00:52:04.000 They're dragging their feet on getting his people in place so they could do something like this.

00:52:09.000 But you know, another issue you're talking about, are they looking at us, Owen?

00:52:13.000 One of the things that we saw today was the fact that, of course, your smartphone apps are colluding to spy on you in detail.

00:52:19.000 This is a report that came out of Virginia Tech University.

00:52:22.000 They analyzed 100,000 pieces of Android software.

00:52:25.000 They found thousands of pairs of apps that were colluding to spy on you, things that were fairly innocuous.

00:52:31.000 But understand that when it spies on you, they can get your private information, your banking information can be hacked.

00:52:37.000 They say that these apps, one example they gave was a flashlight app that worked in tandem with a receiver app to divulge the user's information such as contacts, geolocation, or provide access to the web.

00:52:50.000 Now, here's the deal.

00:52:52.000 This last week, we heard a lot of stuff about privacy and ISPs.

00:52:57.000 This was really a political fight, was part of what was going on here.

00:53:00.000 There was a political fight between a couple of bureaucracies, the FCC and the FTC, as to who was going to control the internet.

00:53:07.000 The Republicans are pushing back against the FCC controlling it because they have been pushed forward by Obama.

00:53:13.000 They want to really shut down the internet.

00:53:16.000 The FTC has had a very loose regulation of the internet, but now this other agency is trying to move in on that.

00:53:22.000 So that's one aspect of it.

00:53:23.000 But the other part of it is that you saw the Democrats come out and say, Donald Trump is stealing your privacy.

00:53:29.000 Well, if you think you got privacy, you haven't been paying attention.

00:53:33.000 But they're not talking about what the intelligence agencies are doing.

00:53:37.000 They're not talking about what your apps on your phone are doing.

00:53:40.000 They're not talking about what Google and Facebook and social media apps are doing to Get everything about you.

00:53:47.000 They have far more information.

00:53:48.000 Google and those social media apps have far more information about you than the ISPs.

00:53:52.000 And I'm not saying that the ISPs should be allowed to sell your information.

00:53:57.000 But this is a misdirection to try to have a more stringent control of what's going on with the internet, to really try to shut down your freedoms, and to try to misdirect you From the real assaults on your freedom that are coming from all these other directions.

00:54:13.000 So that's what we continually see is the misdirection coming from the Democrats using this for political purposes.

00:54:19.000 Nancy Pelosi said, well, the ISPs have more information on you than anybody.

00:54:22.000 No, they don't, quite frankly.

00:54:25.000 If you really think that, you really don't understand what's going on on the Internet and you really need to rethink this.

00:54:31.000 A video where we had James Wesley Rawls talk about tradecraft for privacy.

00:54:36.000 You really need to review that video that's on the Alex Jones channel.

00:54:40.000 He tells you how to make sure that you have privacy.

00:54:43.000 You have to really work at it today.

00:54:45.000 If you're very casual about what you do on the internet, you're not going to have any privacy.

00:54:49.000 Your life is going to be an open book to be used against you as you wish.

00:54:53.000 And the thing that's concerning, Owen, I'll say one last thing here, and that is The kind of minority report, activity-based intelligence, human domain analytics, which is all part of geospatial intelligence, the false positives, where they can look at your activity, they can identify you as being part of a political group, they might falsely identify you as being a threat, an enemy of the state.

00:55:16.000 That's what we had Lord Monckton talking about earlier today when he was on with Alex Jones, how the Obama administration started classifying people who stand up for property rights.

00:55:24.000 And for the Constitution as terrorists, justifying the assassination of Lavoie Finnegan along those lines.

00:55:32.000 So that is the concern, that you would be labeled as a terrorist, that you would be falsely identified as a dangerous person because you're a political enemy of these people.

00:55:41.000 And that's what is really at stake with them keeping this information on you.

00:55:45.000 And now it looks like the Trump administration is going to expand the ability to sell our data to the likes of Verizon and all these phone companies.

00:55:52.000 So now Google and Facebook don't have a monopoly on selling your data.

00:55:56.000 Everybody can do that.

00:55:57.000 So in some instances, it's good.

00:55:58.000 He gets rid of the liberal monopoly on selling data.

00:56:02.000 But of course, that's our data.

00:56:03.000 And I don't remember anybody voting on whether they wanted that.

00:56:06.000 Most people probably don't even know that's the case.

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01:02:22.000 Welcome back to Infowars Live, 3 to 5. Owen Schroer, David Knight with you.

01:02:26.000 And we do a meme of the day here, 3 to 5. So, guys, I just retweeted this, actually, if you pull up my Twitter at All I Do Is Owen.

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01:02:55.000 Alright, let's go out to your phone calls.

01:02:57.000 First up today is Alex in Kentucky.

01:03:01.000 Go ahead, Alex.

01:03:02.000 Hey, how y'all doing?

01:03:05.000 I just want to talk about how these Democrats are every day creating distractions when they've got jobs to be doing.

01:03:15.000 I think that that's a great point.

01:03:17.000 All of this money and time and energy spent on this Russian false narrative political witch hunt. 0.51

01:03:24.000 You know, the liberals are running around virtue signaling all day.

01:03:27.000 Why don't they do something valuable with their time besides a political witch hunt?

01:03:31.000 I think that this is a great point that is not talked about enough.

01:03:34.000 The FBI just created a new branch specifically for this Russia investigation.

01:03:41.000 And there's nothing there, David.

01:03:43.000 I mean, this is a great point the caller brings up.

01:03:44.000 Nobody talks about this.

01:03:46.000 All this time and energy and money spent in Russia when there are actual, real-world issues going on.

01:03:51.000 That's exactly right.

01:03:52.000 And they're, like, killing us with our food, our water, the air that we breathe.

01:03:59.000 You have to understand that their real world issue is their political power.

01:04:03.000 This is all about their political power.

01:04:04.000 This is politicized surveillance state.

01:04:08.000 And it's exactly, you know, we look at this and from our perspective, we frequently say government is broken.

01:04:14.000 No, it's not.

01:04:15.000 It's doing exactly what the people in power want it to do.

01:04:18.000 They wanted a surveillance state that they could use for political purposes.

01:04:20.000 That's what they've got.

01:04:22.000 That's what they're using.

01:04:23.000 It's exactly what they want.

01:04:25.000 I totally agree.

01:04:27.000 And I wish that Trump would make this more known to everybody so we could put an end to this NSA bull.

01:04:36.000 I agree.

01:04:37.000 And as we can see now, he is...

01:04:37.000 I agree.

01:04:40.000 He is feeling the brunt of this unconstitutional surveillance state, and hopefully that will spur him to do true reform after he exposes these criminals.

01:04:52.000 We have to get rid of the structure that's there, just like we've got to get rid of the structure of Obamacare and not use it for our purposes.

01:04:58.000 You know, the analogy that I made the other day on the radio.

01:05:00.000 Remember the Lord of the Rings?

01:05:01.000 We have Boromir and he says, hey, I've got this powerful ring.

01:05:05.000 I could use it for good.

01:05:06.000 And it's like no you can't.

01:05:07.000 It will turn you to evil.

01:05:09.000 It will corrupt the purpose.

01:05:10.000 And so you have to take this thing and you have to cast it into the fire.

01:05:14.000 That's why we have to have true repeal of Obamacare.

01:05:17.000 We have to have a dismantling of this Stasi surveillance state. 0.61

01:05:23.000 William Benny said that it was exactly what he'd been looking at his entire life in East Germany.

01:05:28.000 He said, we now have that here, and we have far more powerful tools than the Stasi ever did. 0.98

01:05:32.000 They were using manual techniques.

01:05:34.000 They were using human intelligence.

01:05:35.000 They were using 3x5 cards to spy on everybody.

01:05:38.000 This is far more dangerous, far more sophisticated, these tools that they have.

01:05:42.000 Far more dangerous.

01:05:43.000 We have to dismantle it.

01:05:44.000 Exactly.

01:05:46.000 And I think that they've never been more exposed in the whole history of politics, the Democratic Party, The Communist has just took it over and just made it to what they want it to be.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, and you know, one thing that I like to say when I try to have debates with liberals who are really just socialist communists, and they really don't want to admit it because they have actually studied the history of communism, not like the fake.

01:06:14.000 Right, the progressives, the intellectual progressives, not the fake protesters that come out and say they're socialists. 0.65

01:06:20.000 They'll just chant Nazi scum when the Nazis was actually a party of socialists. 0.99

01:06:20.000 They have no clue. 0.99

01:06:24.000 But there's a story on Reason.com today.

01:06:27.000 Venezuela reminds us that socialism frequently leads to dictatorship.

01:06:31.000 And, you know, actually, even though we live in the West, even though we live in America, Even though we still do the ceremonies of this great country and we still like to believe that the Constitution is a document we abide by.

01:06:46.000 You know, if you actually did a study, if you took somebody neutral and they just did a study of America right now, they would actually say that we live in a socialist state.

01:06:57.000 America is essentially a socialist state.

01:06:59.000 When you can move to this country and get free handouts, or you cannot work and get free handouts from the government, you live in a socialist state.

01:07:07.000 I'm curious, what do you think about that, David?

01:07:10.000 Well, I think we live in a mixture of socialism and fascism.

01:07:12.000 We have a fascist government.

01:07:16.000 Adolf Hitler called himself a socialist, but he disagreed with the approach that the Russians were taking.

01:07:22.000 They went to complete confiscation of Of private assets immediately.

01:07:28.000 And he said, no, that's a mistake.

01:07:29.000 That's the last stage of what you do.

01:07:31.000 He said, first you need to use private companies to control them. 0.86

01:07:36.000 That's what economic fascism is.

01:07:38.000 You control people, but you have a thin veneer of private ownership.

01:07:41.000 And you work, as we see, with crony capitalism, with a few individuals, a few multinational powerful corporations.

01:07:49.000 You allow them to do business, but you control them very tightly and you work with them.

01:07:53.000 And then the final stage is to just confiscate the stuff and that's outright communism.

01:07:58.000 But he disagreed with Stalin in the sense that he thought that Stalin had gone to the final step and he was doing that as an intermediate step.

01:08:06.000 So they were both on the same way.

01:08:07.000 They're both socialists and they're both authoritarian and that's what we need to understand.

01:08:11.000 The difference between what America was about Which was freedom and liberty.

01:08:16.000 That was the primary thing that America was founded on.

01:08:20.000 That we would have individual liberty.

01:08:21.000 That people would be able to make these decisions on their own.

01:08:24.000 That they would control their own life.

01:08:25.000 That we would not have somebody in Washington dictating to us that we would have to buy health care from an insurance company.

01:08:32.000 Part of it is a...

01:08:34.000 Socialism in that sense that they would take money from some people and then give subsidized health care to other people.

01:08:40.000 So that's a socialist aspect of it.

01:08:41.000 But the fascist aspect of it is that they would mandate that you have to buy a product from a private corporation.

01:08:49.000 That's pure fascism.

01:08:50.000 Which we have with Obamacare.

01:08:51.000 Which is, yeah.

01:08:52.000 So Obamacare is a good example.

01:08:55.000 It's a mixture of fascism and socialism that we see throughout our government.

01:08:58.000 And they chant for fascism in the streets.

01:09:00.000 They chant against the anti...

01:09:03.000 David, I don't know how I deal with this, but they chant against fascism in the streets, but they'll get mad at Trump for wanting to repeal Obamacare, which is a fascist bill, essentially.

01:09:11.000 And even though I think that some of Trump's policies are more leaning towards big government, I've been almost kind of, I don't know if shocked is the right word, but I mean, Trump has, for the most part, avoided...

01:09:26.000 Doing anything that could put the term dictator on him or authoritarian on him.

01:09:31.000 I mean, he could really come down on some of these people.

01:09:33.000 I feel like he could really come down on a Susan Rice.

01:09:36.000 You know, he could really come down on some of these people in the deep state.

01:09:39.000 And he's kind of just letting them operate.

01:09:41.000 He's kind of just letting them operate.

01:09:42.000 And I don't know if that's a game he's playing, a rope-a-dope tactic or what.

01:09:46.000 Thank you for the call, Alex, from Kentucky.

01:09:47.000 But that's something that I'm kind of seeing with Trump.

01:09:50.000 And sometimes for me, I'm like...

01:09:52.000 You know, Trump, just come down.

01:09:54.000 Just drop the hammer on some of these people.

01:09:55.000 I'm sick of hearing some of them.

01:09:56.000 Well, again, it may be that he doesn't have all the people that he needs in order to be able to pull this through because they have deliberately delayed and stalled the appointment of people that would support him.

01:10:04.000 Right.

01:10:05.000 All right, let's take another call.

01:10:06.000 Let's go to who's been hanging the longest.

01:10:08.000 Chris in Ohio.

01:10:11.000 Misinfo on the mainstream media.

01:10:13.000 Yeah, that's just about all it is, especially on these liberal media networks.

01:10:16.000 Go ahead, Chris.

01:10:18.000 Hello.

01:10:18.000 I'm calling because I wanted to get a point out to everybody that watches you guys.

01:10:23.000 You know, it seems like the leftists have all this time on their hands to shove their agenda and go out and protest and act like idiots. 0.98

01:10:30.000 And the right, you know, we have jobs, we have kids, we have things in our lives that keep us busy. 0.99

01:10:35.000 We need to start making time to call the mainstream media stations, you know, and tell them that we're tired of this.

01:10:41.000 Either put out Put out the proof on Trump or shut up.

01:10:46.000 Well, you know, I think that one thing, you know, because you talk about how we always make the joke that, you know, the liberal protesters, they don't have a job, they live at home, so that's how they can, you know, go out at 11 o'clock a.m.

01:10:58.000 on a weekday and protest every day of the week.

01:11:00.000 Or they have a grant from Soros.

01:11:01.000 Or they have a grant, you know, they're a professional protester, right.

01:11:05.000 But, you know, one thing I think that Trump is putting a lot of stake in And this is where I think that you're right about it's time for the American people on the right to start really taking the power back.

01:11:15.000 And they did when they voted for Trump.

01:11:16.000 And that's the next upcoming round of local elections.

01:11:21.000 This next upcoming round of local elections, we can start to see people like John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters...

01:11:32.000 Rahm Emanuel, the list goes on and on.

01:11:34.000 In the next three years, we can see all of these people removed from office if the people go to the polls and vote with their brains.

01:11:45.000 Vote with a well-researched vote.

01:11:48.000 And then we can see some of these people in government that are just gumming up the works.

01:11:53.000 Not even gumming up the works.

01:11:54.000 I mean, people like Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are just outright I don't even know the correct term to describe them here on this family show.

01:12:03.000 But that's what I think Trump is putting a lot of stake in.

01:12:06.000 And that's, I think, our answer.

01:12:07.000 I don't want to go out and protest.

01:12:08.000 I don't want people to go out and protest.

01:12:10.000 You've got a family.

01:12:11.000 You've got a job.

01:12:12.000 Just go to the pool.

01:12:13.000 Go to the pool.

01:12:14.000 Once a year when it's your time and vote, get an intelligent vote and vote the right people into office.

01:12:20.000 And like I said, once you start getting the Chuck Schumers, all of these people, the same people, Adam Schiff, vote these people out!

01:12:28.000 Get them out! 0.99

01:12:30.000 And immediately I think we can start to see some progress.

01:12:33.000 David?

01:12:34.000 The globalists have had a slogan for a long time, think globally, act locally.

01:12:38.000 You need to think constitutionally, you need to think about liberty.

01:12:41.000 Who is going to advance the cause that I get my life back out of the hands of Washington, out of the hands of your state capitol, back into my hands?

01:12:50.000 Who is going to advance that and then work for that at the local election?

01:12:54.000 That is a difficulty that we have as a national news organization, as an international news organization, to focus On so many of these different individual races, but that's where the real power is.

01:13:04.000 And if you want to leverage that, instead of going out and getting into dust-ups with these social justice warriors, these people, then get involved in politics, take over the Republican Party, and get some people who care about liberty Who care about the Constitution, who are going to give you control of your life back.

01:13:24.000 Nobody's going to give it to you.

01:13:25.000 You have to work for it, but you've got to find some people who are going to lead that fight, who are going to take that fight for you to the state capitol, to the national capitol.

01:13:33.000 That's what you need to do.

01:13:34.000 That's where you need to focus your efforts.

01:13:36.000 Final word, Chris.

01:13:37.000 I think that we also need to call mainstream media.

01:13:41.000 I'm not saying go out and protest.

01:13:43.000 I don't have time for that.

01:13:44.000 Most people, I don't think, do.

01:13:46.000 And when you see all the violence, I mean, You know, putting it out there, I'm going to be 50 this month.

01:13:51.000 In my lifetime, I have never, ever seen the level of just blatant violence and the arrogance.

01:13:59.000 And I really think that Obama and his administration got sloppy because they really thought that Democrats would win.

01:14:05.000 Well, they wanted this.

01:14:06.000 This is the atmosphere that they wanted to create.

01:14:09.000 This was the atmosphere that the Obama administration, specifically Barack Obama, wanted to create.

01:14:14.000 And...

01:14:15.000 Places like the ACLU are just propping this atmosphere up.

01:14:20.000 They're embracing the atmosphere.

01:14:21.000 They love it because it gives them the opportunity for more funding.

01:14:24.000 Thank you for the call, Chris.

01:14:26.000 You know, but what she said about the mainstream media and fighting back and protesting the mainstream media, David, here's actually my plan, and I'm working on this right now.

01:14:34.000 I am putting together a list of all of the companies that run advertising on CNN's television network.

01:14:42.000 I'm putting together that list as we speak.

01:14:45.000 Now, to no surprise, pretty much every advertisement is either a fast food company or a big pharmaceutical company or an insurance company.

01:14:53.000 It's pretty much it.

01:14:54.000 Or a beer company.

01:14:56.000 So I'm putting together this list.

01:14:59.000 That's how we can stop the mainstream media because...

01:15:02.000 The ratings aren't there.

01:15:04.000 They're already dying in the ratings.

01:15:05.000 It doesn't matter if nobody watches CNN. CNN could literally have zero viewers a night.

01:15:10.000 If they continue to get advertisers to buy their time shares, then they will continue to run their programming.

01:15:18.000 So we have to hit them where it hurts, and that's in the pocketbooks.

01:15:22.000 If these, if people know that they're going to get boycotted, if they put an ad on CNN, it might take a year, but trust me, people are going to stop running ads on CNN.

01:15:33.000 I promise you that folks, that's how the economy works.

01:15:37.000 We're already seeing that work in real time right now with the Trump administration replacing the Obama administration.

01:15:43.000 So I'll, I'll, I'll do my best to complete that list and I'll put it out on Twitter, but that's my plan.

01:15:48.000 I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, David.

01:15:50.000 I'm just going to put out the list of all the people that advertise on CNN's television networks that run commercials and I'm going to say, here you go, boycott these companies.

01:15:59.000 If they know you're boycotting because they pay CNN, then they'll withdraw their advertising and CNN will get hit in the pocketbook.

01:16:05.000 What do you think?

01:16:06.000 I'm not even worried about the mainstream media.

01:16:07.000 We're going to transcend the mainstream media.

01:16:09.000 We already are transcending the mainstream media.

01:16:10.000 Trump transcended them.

01:16:11.000 How did he do it?

01:16:13.000 He did it with the help of a mass of people.

01:16:15.000 You still have tens of thousands of people show up.

01:16:18.000 They packed venues and that sort of thing.

01:16:20.000 If you can transfer...

01:16:21.000 Those are Russians. 0.85

01:16:22.000 That kind of grassroots...

01:16:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:16:24.000 Those are Russians. 0.85

01:16:25.000 We didn't have liked him.

01:16:26.000 The Russians did, right? 0.98

01:16:27.000 But if you can transfer that kind of grassroots support...

01:16:30.000 To people who have a liberty agenda, who have a constitutional agenda at your local level, you can transcend the mainstream media pushing back the lies that they're going to tell people, the money that they're going to have to advertise.

01:16:42.000 You can have that same type of...

01:16:44.000 It's going to be difficult to do it.

01:16:46.000 You're going to have to do it as a group because nobody's going to come around with a lot of money like Donald Trump to wage a national campaign.

01:16:53.000 The good news is that if you do it at the lowest possible level and work it up from the bottom up, you don't have to have a billionaire who has a populist agenda.

01:17:03.000 You don't need a blue-collar billionaire like Donald Trump if you work it from the bottom up.

01:17:07.000 We need to have a mass movement of people who are educated, who understand what they stand for, why they want their freedom, and they have to demand it en masse.

01:17:16.000 And if they do that, you can transcend the mainstream media.

01:17:19.000 That's what's necessary, I think, to win this thing.

01:17:21.000 So you're saying maybe like a young guy should maybe start like a grassroots campaign.

01:17:27.000 You've already got people who are connected via Trump.

01:17:30.000 Exactly.

01:17:31.000 You've got people who are already connected at the local level.

01:17:33.000 They need to coalesce.

01:17:35.000 We started to see that with the Tea Party.

01:17:38.000 But the Tea Party's problems, in my opinion, were that they didn't have anything that they could coalesce around.

01:17:44.000 It started to fracture because there wasn't a coherent goal of what they wanted.

01:17:49.000 The founders of this country had a very easy, coherent goal.

01:17:54.000 Everything was measured against individual liberty.

01:17:56.000 It is a zero-sum game.

01:17:58.000 You either make this decision about your life or somebody else makes this decision about your life.

01:18:03.000 You either do it locally or somebody in England does it for you or somebody in Washington does it for you or somebody in Austin does it for you.

01:18:11.000 For somebody at the UN if Hillary Clinton would have won.

01:18:14.000 Exactly, if Hillary Clinton had won. 0.81

01:18:15.000 So we have to have a goal.

01:18:17.000 The goal is, the easy standard that we measure everything against is, does this make me freer, or does it give somebody else control over my life?

01:18:26.000 If you set that up, instead of this vaguely defined Tea Party, I think things will move ahead at that point.

01:18:32.000 We can still have disagreements as to what's going to advance the cause of liberty.

01:18:34.000 Nobody will ever agree 100%.

01:18:36.000 But you could get a grassroots movement against candidates who would fight it at the city level, who would fight it at the county level, and then you can move up to the state level because then you're going to identify if these people can get something done at those local levels, you're going to know who's going to do something at the state level and then at the national level.

01:18:54.000 Let's go to a Navy veteran, George, in Florida.

01:18:57.000 Go ahead, George.

01:19:00.000 Yes.

01:19:00.000 Hello, Owen.

01:19:01.000 Thank you very much for having me on, sir.

01:19:03.000 And the same goes to you as well, David Knight.

01:19:05.000 Neither of you two gentlemen may have ever served in the military, but the both of you two are doing this nation such a great service.

01:19:11.000 It's immeasurable.

01:19:12.000 Inside of the United States Navy Marine Corps, there is a lot of mentorship and leadership that goes on as soon as you get in and hand-holding.

01:19:20.000 And this is a fatherless nation.

01:19:22.000 And I want to say that gentlemen like you and Alex Jones, I've really done a great deal to not only just put out talking points of political value that help Americans wake up and realize where our real struggles lie right now in our lives and in our country, but you're starting to put moral values back into people as well.

01:19:40.000 And I'm not one to speak to religion and Christianity and et cetera, et cetera.

01:19:45.000 But you are doing great, great work over there.

01:19:49.000 Well, you know, you talk about leadership, George.

01:19:52.000 You talk about leadership, George, and hold on right there.

01:19:54.000 You know, I never served, my dad never served, but my grandpa did serve in the Navy.

01:19:59.000 And it's funny that you talk about leadership.

01:20:02.000 You know, my grandfather was a very independent man, and he pretty much would let me run around and light the world on fire, basically, and tell me to learn the hard way.

01:20:12.000 My mom's probably listening to this laughing right now, and that would freak my mom out.

01:20:16.000 My mom would hate leaving me with my grandpa because she knows that if I was with grandpa, he was going to let me learn the hard way, and he was going to say toughen up.

01:20:26.000 And that would freak my mom out. 0.83

01:20:28.000 But the truth was, it was that he was a strong, independent man.

01:20:33.000 He was a Navy man.

01:20:34.000 And he said, you know what?

01:20:35.000 You're going to have to learn how to be tough.

01:20:36.000 The world isn't easy.

01:20:37.000 You're going to make mistakes, and you're going to have troubles, and you're not going to have your mom over your shoulder all the time to back you up.

01:20:45.000 And that was something that I think, I don't know if that's what you were alluding to, George, but I feel like that's kind of the same paradigm that the social justice warriors or these young liberals in college are experiencing, where They look to the government to help them.

01:20:59.000 They want the government to answer all their problems.

01:21:01.000 Oh, I took on this enormous amount of student debt and I don't have a clue how I'm going to pay it off.

01:21:07.000 Save me, government. 0.98

01:21:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:21:09.000 It's that same mentality and it goes through every walk of life.

01:21:12.000 And it's like, no, no.

01:21:14.000 Take responsibility for yourself.

01:21:16.000 Toughen up.

01:21:17.000 That's what it means to live in the West.

01:21:20.000 Well, they have gone to school.

01:21:22.000 They have been institutionalized most of their life.

01:21:24.000 And what has that institution told them?

01:21:25.000 That institution has told them that the government knows best.

01:21:29.000 The government is benevolent.

01:21:30.000 The government has all of your interests at heart.

01:21:32.000 We need to go back to the foundations of this country.

01:21:34.000 And again, Washington, Franklin, others who are not explicitly Christian.

01:21:40.000 They wanted to avoid appearing to be sectarian because that would have split the country apart.

01:21:45.000 Many of the states had official religions, and they had fled a system where they had a particular denomination or sect rammed down their throat.

01:21:56.000 That was the last thing they wanted.

01:21:57.000 So they spoke in general terms about God, but they also spoke about morals.

01:22:00.000 And they said, if we don't have a moral foundation, we will not be able to maintain a democracy.

01:22:05.000 And they understood that the roots of this country were rooted in what we call Judeo-Christian morals and ethics.

01:22:13.000 And when we abandon those foundations, then we are really in serious trouble.

01:22:19.000 And we can see what the fruit of that is.

01:22:20.000 In our society today because we've abandoned those foundations and unless there is a revival, unless we turn back to those, and it is those things.

01:22:29.000 You're talking about mentoring people as fathers.

01:22:31.000 It is a revival, a turning back to those morals that will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, and then people like Snoop Dogg and Bow Wow and Lena Dunham and all of these other people will have no say anymore.

01:22:49.000 They'll have no pull, the most immortal people in our culture that just preach immorality.

01:22:54.000 Well, the things that we always saw that were...

01:22:55.000 People realize that those individuals are entertainers.

01:22:58.000 They are not people to be taking your life lessons from.

01:23:01.000 And again, this is not...

01:23:02.000 Wait, I shouldn't take a life lesson from Miley Cyrus?

01:23:05.000 But they're presented as role models, and unless parents, whether you have two parents in a home or you have one parent in a home, you have to take the position of a role model.

01:23:14.000 You have to be deliberate about the morals that you're going to impart to your children.

01:23:20.000 The generation that I grew up with was lost enough, but what's been going on right now, like you were saying, with what's going on inside of the The major big colleges, like John Rappaport's couple page report, it was very... 0.98

01:23:34.000 They all have mental disorders!

01:23:36.000 That was an unbelievable report from John Rappaport, how most college students actually have a mental disorder. 0.59

01:23:43.000 And here's the thing about that is, now there's a big debate right now in the industry whether you can say, well there's an increase of mental disorder, or well there's just an increase of diagnosis of mental disorder.

01:23:55.000 Well, either way, it's an increase.

01:23:56.000 So something's going on here.

01:23:58.000 Either they're pushing pharmaceuticals down the students' throats, or there's some serious mental problems going on.

01:24:04.000 Well, I could seriously pivot to pharmaceuticals, but I'm just going to stay with one moment.

01:24:07.000 This isn't some huge Russian collusion narrative that veterans and people at Infowars are all following the same mentality.

01:24:14.000 It is.

01:24:15.000 We are reading from the same sheet of paper to quote and lean on many other smarter men than myself.

01:24:20.000 And that is exactly what's going on right now.

01:24:23.000 And inside of the government, people like Chuck Schumer right now, who's getting more camera time than Tom Cruise in the 1980s, who looks like Count Chocula, by the way.

01:24:32.000 I have to get out there.

01:24:33.000 Thank you.

01:24:35.000 It's ridiculous what's going on right now.

01:24:37.000 You don't want a pastrami sandwich from Chuck Schumer? 0.67

01:24:42.000 Here, eat my pastrami.

01:24:45.000 CNN's never going to go away.

01:24:46.000 It is being broadcast inside of every military base, inside of every naval medical facility, inside of every A school, C school, either that are football.

01:24:54.000 It's ridiculous the narratives that are pushing inside of that.

01:24:56.000 And if you don't drink the Kool-Aid, they're going to make you disappear.

01:24:59.000 And people don't realize this.

01:25:00.000 You see, I rolled my eyes at you guys when a friend turned me to you.

01:25:04.000 Many years ago before my service, and then I was so gaslit that listening to you and finally finding you people and tuning in was honestly what saved me from becoming a statistic.

01:25:13.000 And this is not a lie.

01:25:14.000 This is not a dramatization.

01:25:15.000 You were some of the only people that is broadcasting the truth.

01:25:18.000 And honestly, just like Alex Jones says, I'm waiting for you guys to disappear.

01:25:21.000 I'm waiting for you guys to just absolutely disappear.

01:25:24.000 I was sitting here one day and everything went dark.

01:25:30.000 And I thought that might have been the moment.

01:25:33.000 You know, it's funny, you talked about how they push CNN in the military.

01:25:36.000 I had a friend of mine that I visited, a friend from high school.

01:25:40.000 He was working at the Pentagon at the time.

01:25:42.000 He took me on a tour 20 years ago.

01:25:44.000 And we were walking around the areas that he showed me, and they had CNN playing on monitors everywhere in the Pentagon 20 years ago.

01:25:52.000 And I said, I can't believe you...

01:25:54.000 When they had Charles Jaco running fake reports.

01:25:57.000 But he says, well, yeah, he says often they have the information before we do.

01:26:01.000 But see, that was the thing that was concerning to me about that was that they would rely on CNN's narrative for that information.

01:26:08.000 But of course, as part of Operation Mockingbird, I mean, they push a narrative that they, you know, it is, they were listening to a government transcript.

01:26:17.000 Transmission, quite frankly.

01:26:19.000 And we've seen that in the many years that have followed the false narrative, the false news, the staging of incidents that CNN has done.

01:26:28.000 But it is true. 0.90

01:26:29.000 I mean, they do use that.

01:26:31.000 I have not been in...

01:26:33.000 If you do not drink the Kool-Aid, they're going to make it go away.

01:26:36.000 There are some weak-minded people that try to rise up and serve their country, and as soon as the brainwashing there gets to them too much, They go to medical, they claim, you know, the anxiety the source is getting to them, and if they start singing the narrative that they don't like, some kind of song about how the command is corrupt, or if they've seen something they shouldn't have, or...

01:26:55.000 Yeah, you gotta be careful. 0.91

01:26:57.000 ...about how the superiors are sleeping with the subordinates, they are gonna make you disappear to a mental hospital, they're gonna medicate you, and then you're going to magically disappear, hang yourself, et cetera, et cetera.

01:27:07.000 People can laugh and think this is a joke, but it's not a lie.

01:27:11.000 Anyone who has served... 0.95

01:27:12.000 You guys ask for veterans to rise up so much, but you have no idea how much there's condition in there to sit down and shut up.

01:27:19.000 And when they come around yearly, bi-yearly, bi-annual, I hate to roll over you guys like this, and they come around for these command comfort questionnaires, and they sit there, they'll have a four-star admiral come in, this is the God-honest truth, gentlemen, and they will come in and he'll say, in front of 500 people, 1,500 people, and say, Okay, does anybody here have a problem with anything?

01:27:41.000 Anything at all?

01:27:42.000 And it will be crickets, because you are designed to behave like that from boot camp, and all you will give is softball questions.

01:27:49.000 And is that not something that has a reverse effect, George, that ends up working people in the opposite direction, scratching their head like, this isn't right, what's going on here?

01:27:57.000 And if, God forbid, you ask a serious question, like one E7, a chief in the Navy, said, hey, listen, sir, excuse me, Admiral, I broke my arm on my leg in a car accident going back a couple weeks ago, I got hit with your analysis the very following Monday after coming back from ER. I obviously popped dirty.

01:28:14.000 I had to spend my own career with my own money to retain my job here.

01:28:19.000 So, you know, if this guy could get an answer, his commanding, shut him down and hurt everybody.

01:28:25.000 And it was cricket.

01:28:25.000 Okay?

01:28:26.000 And then back to rolling the oranges across the floor with questions written with marker on them.

01:28:33.000 I mean, it is serious, people, and no one understands or believes this.

01:28:37.000 Well, you know, what you're talking about now is the 1984 treatment.

01:28:40.000 The people who are awake and understand what's happening, they get the 1984 treatment.

01:28:44.000 You begin by talking about morals.

01:28:46.000 And if people want to understand this from a different perspective, get outside of, you know, maybe you don't like Christianity, you don't like religion, you think that Christianity is a religion, whatever.

01:28:58.000 You know, if you want to look at it from the standpoint of Brave New World, that's what's really going on.

01:29:03.000 They want to give you this hedonistic society.

01:29:05.000 They want to lull you to sleep.

01:29:07.000 They want to entertain you.

01:29:08.000 And if you're willing to do that, and the vast majority of people will do that, that's what you'll get.

01:29:12.000 You'll get Brave New World.

01:29:14.000 And we're seeing that instituted throughout the schools as an instrument of social change.

01:29:19.000 But if you wake up and if you ask questions, And they perceive you as a threat, you will get the 1984 treatment, and that will mean that they shut down your career at the military.

01:29:29.000 That's one of the aspects of that that comes out of that.

01:29:33.000 Yes, you're exactly right.

01:29:34.000 I have seen it happen a number of times, and you know, just one last thing.

01:29:38.000 All right, make it quick, George.

01:29:39.000 We've got to take a break.

01:29:40.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

01:29:40.000 I'm sorry.

01:29:41.000 Just make it quick.

01:29:41.000 One last time, when I got to my last command, they had said, you know, who here is new to this command?

01:29:46.000 I said, you know, obviously myself.

01:29:48.000 They said, listen, there's a story.

01:29:50.000 It's true.

01:29:51.000 What had happened was, if you have an E6 who's coming in all the time drunk, what are you going to do?

01:29:54.000 You're going to send him home?

01:29:55.000 You're going to discipline him?

01:29:56.000 What are you going to do?

01:29:56.000 They kept on sending this guy home.

01:29:58.000 One day, he hit a bunch of kids coming out of a school bus.

01:30:01.000 He pulled over, called his superior.

01:30:03.000 His superior showed up with someone else to drive the car, et cetera, et cetera.

01:30:06.000 The police pulled him all over.

01:30:07.000 The superiors pointed at the E3 when questioned about who hit the kids with the car.

01:30:14.000 I mean, America, wake up.

01:30:16.000 This is the truth.

01:30:16.000 If you're listening to this broadcast, This is your only opportunity.

01:30:20.000 It might not be here forever much longer.

01:30:22.000 Thank you, guys.

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01:30:24.000 Thank you, George, for your call and for your service.

01:30:26.000 That's right, folks.

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01:31:32.000 When we come back, we'll finish up with some of your phone calls.

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01:35:13.000 Welcome back.

01:35:13.000 Final segment.

01:35:14.000 InfoWars Live 3 to 5. Owen Schroer, David Knight.

01:35:17.000 Let's go right back out to the phone lines.

01:35:18.000 We've got a lot of callers, so please make your point right out of the gates and quick.

01:35:22.000 Let's go to Patrick in Houston.

01:35:24.000 Go ahead, Patrick.

01:35:26.000 Hey, what's going on, gentlemen?

01:35:27.000 How are you doing today?

01:35:28.000 Doing good.

01:35:29.000 Yeah, well, initially I wanted to discuss the ignorance's bliss as far as Cruz and Cornyn were concerned during the SJ Resolution 34 discussions.

01:35:39.000 I called their offices several times and their own people didn't even know what I was talking about.

01:35:45.000 Oh, shocking.

01:35:47.000 I know, shocking.

01:35:49.000 And you took $48,000 from telecommunications.

01:35:53.000 Yeah, so, but other than vote them out, The options are you call, you badger, you let them know.

01:36:02.000 But ignorance is bliss.

01:36:03.000 If they don't even know what's in the bill, they don't even know that their bosses are with the bill.

01:36:08.000 I mean, it's just from top to bottom.

01:36:12.000 How empty is it, guys?

01:36:15.000 No, I think that it's an underestimated power of a phone call that people don't really think about.

01:36:23.000 Thank you for the call, Patrick.

01:36:24.000 I'm telling you, when I first started doing this and I started calling, when I back lived in St. Louis and I first got woke up, David, I started looking at some of these votes and when I didn't like the way my representatives voted, I called the office.

01:36:40.000 And I'm telling you, nine out of ten times someone would answer and be like, what?

01:36:45.000 A voter?

01:36:45.000 A voter is calling me?

01:36:47.000 A constituent is on the phone that cares?

01:36:49.000 They are shocked when a voter actually calls and voices their concerns on the phone to these people.

01:36:55.000 It makes a difference.

01:36:56.000 Let me tell you, when we had the National Education Association and teachers unions, Try to shut down homeschooling, and they've done that a number of times.

01:37:04.000 Homeschooling families would be active.

01:37:07.000 They would pick up the phone and they would call.

01:37:09.000 And so even against a massively powerful entrenched union and government bureaucracy, you can have an effect.

01:37:17.000 They do not expect to get phone calls from this stuff.

01:37:20.000 So if all of a sudden their phone lines are shut down with people calling them, And those are voters.

01:37:25.000 Numerous times with people when they try to shut down or homeschooling by imposing regulations and restrictions on it.

01:37:31.000 When that happens, they pay attention.

01:37:34.000 And that's why I'm saying you can still get these people's attention on a lot of these issues.

01:37:38.000 And you can really do it if you operate at the local level.

01:37:41.000 You can have even more power than you do with these congressional people.

01:37:45.000 And, of course, we've seen that happen at the congressional level, at the Washington, D.C. level.

01:37:50.000 People can have an effect.

01:37:52.000 Homeschooling families had an effect.

01:37:53.000 I saw it happen, and I was absolutely amazed that they could have that much effect.

01:37:57.000 But think about how your power would be magnified if you were doing that at a local level, at a state level.

01:38:02.000 And there's so many of these people, I ask them, that are protesting, did you vote?

01:38:06.000 And they say no.

01:38:07.000 Well, no wonder none of your policies get through in the ballot box.

01:38:10.000 Let's go to Mike in Kansas.

01:38:11.000 Let's talk about browser history.

01:38:14.000 Go ahead, Mike.

01:38:17.000 Hello?

01:38:18.000 Yeah, you're on the air, Mike.

01:38:19.000 Make your point.

01:38:20.000 Hi.

01:38:20.000 Thanks for having me call in, guys.

01:38:22.000 No, there are ways around it.

01:38:27.000 I worked for the government for a while, and there's a lot of information that the IRC providers do provide, you know, to the government, so they actually are too attractive.

01:38:37.000 They have been doing it for quite some time now.

01:38:39.000 It was about six years ago when I was with them on that.

01:38:43.000 But there's ways around it.

01:38:45.000 VPNs aren't always the safest bet either.

01:38:46.000 or send them, they don't sell your information.

01:38:49.000 But you turn around and do actually give your information away if it is requested by anyone, by a company. - So I think what he's talking about is browser histories. - Yeah, we got kind of a bad connection on him.

01:39:02.000 But here's the thing folks, you know we get upset, a lot of people on the left get upset when the information is sold and there's commerce involved.

01:39:09.000 And I understand that's a violation of your privacy.

01:39:11.000 What about the fact that the government is going to use that information?

01:39:14.000 And there is no restriction on that.

01:39:16.000 And we had Aaron Schwartz who died trying to shut that down.

01:39:20.000 We had CISPA offered multiple times.

01:39:22.000 We had SOPA, ACTA, PIPA. They came up with all these different acronyms.

01:39:26.000 Finally, they got it passed when they dropped the P. Because they didn't want people, I guess, asking who was being protected.

01:39:31.000 Who was being protected were the companies that were turning this information over to the government.

01:39:36.000 Not because they wanted to sell you a set of tires or a brand of soap, but because they wanted to look at you for criminal purposes or because they wanted to know if their phony narrative was working.

01:39:48.000 That's the thing that I'm really concerned about.

01:39:50.000 I'm far more concerned about CISA than I am about this bill.

01:39:55.000 Certainly this is an issue, but let's not look and let's not forget the bigger problem.

01:39:59.000 The bigger problem that they don't want you to see because they're focusing on this and the Democrats are focusing your attention on this.

01:40:05.000 The bigger issue is that the government has access to everything that you have there and they've given immunity protection to the corporations who turn it over to them on demand.

01:40:14.000 We have a fight that is going on right now between Google and the federal government because we had a landmark decision about a year or so ago saying that they could not turn over information that they collected on foreign individuals because Google and other countries wanted to operate in other countries and because it had become so notorious because the Snowden leaks everybody did not want to do business with American companies.

01:40:33.000 So they're trying to do this for their business purposes.

01:40:35.000 Imagine if Americans demanded that they had privacy and not just foreign individuals. 0.58

01:40:41.000 And so they're trying to say, no, no, we have a court decision.

01:40:44.000 You cannot force us to turn over information that we collect on individuals in other countries, even if they're breaking the law.

01:40:50.000 So that is what we need to start demanding, that we have some privacy here in America.

01:40:55.000 And it's not just about...

01:40:57.000 Doing commerce over it.

01:40:58.000 It's about not having this become dragnet surveillance on the American people.

01:41:03.000 We've had the Snowden documents.

01:41:04.000 We've had Vault 7. Can't we understand what is involved here?

01:41:07.000 And we need to understand this is a large issue.

01:41:09.000 We need to get to the root of it.

01:41:10.000 The root of it is CISA. And that's what Aaron Schwartz fought successfully multiple times.

01:41:15.000 And then we were told that he committed suicide, even though this guy was a hardcore activist who had refused a plea bargain from...

01:41:24.000 The district attorney that was there and her husband even pointed out that she was blamed for being pressured into it.

01:41:29.000 I think the name of that judge was Carmen Ortiz. 1.00

01:41:32.000 Carmen Ortiz.

01:41:32.000 Exactly.

01:41:32.000 If you guys have looked this up, Carmen Ortiz.

01:41:34.000 And actually, if you look at Carmen Ortiz, she has been a judge on some major cases that have big political, you know... 0.99

01:41:34.000 It is. 0.99

01:41:43.000 Well, she was a prosecutor. 1.00

01:41:44.000 She offered him a plea bargain, they said.

01:41:47.000 Her husband put it out and then deleted his account afterwards.

01:41:51.000 Said she offered him like a three-month deal and he turned it down.

01:41:54.000 They said, oh, he committed suicide because he was so distraught about the prison sentence that he was facing.

01:41:59.000 No, I don't think so.

01:42:01.000 And then, interestingly enough, she was the one who was in charge of the April 19th bombing.

01:42:06.000 Oh, she had to step down. 0.96

01:42:08.000 Look at that.

01:42:09.000 She was somebody that were grooming for a higher office in that area. 0.93

01:42:13.000 And then that blew up in her face because of Aaron Schwartz.

01:42:17.000 Some people believe that she had pressured him into committing suicide.

01:42:19.000 I believe that she had...

01:42:21.000 That's how the family felt.

01:42:23.000 And I believe that he was killed because the intelligence services wanted to pass through CISPA, or in this case, CISA is what they finally got through.

01:42:33.000 That's what you need to be focused on.

01:42:36.000 This other thing is important, but it is a side issue compared to what the government can do to you when it demands and gets your information and you can't do anything to these companies about it.

01:42:44.000 Let's go to Jason in Florida.

01:42:47.000 Go ahead, Jason.

01:42:49.000 Good evening, Owen.

01:42:50.000 Good evening, Mr. Knight.

01:42:51.000 How are we?

01:42:52.000 We're doing good.

01:42:53.000 Thanks for calling.

01:42:54.000 First things first, let me tell you a little insight here, just from outside source and wanting to see it for myself, the Paul Ryan bill.

01:42:54.000 Great, great.

01:43:02.000 Paul Ryan was intentionally stalling that bill.

01:43:06.000 And I'll tell you why.

01:43:07.000 And Mr. Knight, you pointed this out earlier, that Trump, it's actually Boehner's bill.

01:43:12.000 It was given to Ryan, and then Ryan gave it to Previs, and then Previs gave it to Trump.

01:43:16.000 I'm going to tell you why Trump forced.

01:43:18.000 This is my opinion, but I think it's the truth.

01:43:21.000 Trump forced that vote to make Ryan look incompetent.

01:43:25.000 He met with the Freedom Caucus just before they had to pose the vote.

01:43:29.000 That was not to get the Freedom Caucus on board.

01:43:32.000 What we might very well be witnessing is the elimination of Paul Ryan as the Speaker of the House.

01:43:39.000 Yeah, and there's another guy who can be voted out of office in the upcoming elections.

01:43:44.000 You're absolutely right.

01:43:46.000 Now, what Trump has done is shown he is not only incompetent, but he does not have the American people's best interest at heart.

01:43:55.000 Now, from the Freedom Caucus, you have an amazing group of guys over there.

01:44:02.000 Now, I'm not saying that because I'm a Freedom Caucus fan.

01:44:04.000 I'm saying because in the Senate and in the House, as we all know, it's all about policy.

01:44:08.000 It's all about how things get done.

01:44:10.000 It has to be done In a certain manner, you know, procedural, that's what it's all about.

01:44:15.000 Rand Paul is a procedure master.

01:44:18.000 He proved that, not only with the filibuster, but he also proved it when John McCain just came up and tried to get this little country into the UN nonsense that he tried to pull.

01:44:30.000 Yeah, by the way, now McCain is propping up this story that the Assad regime used chemical weapons in Syria There are some highly doubtful things being reported out of that chemical weapons attack.

01:44:46.000 We saw this in 2013 when he was selling that narrative.

01:44:49.000 It was exposed by people first in the UN weapons community as well as Russia, and then eventually Americans in the American military, they exposed that false narrative back in 2013. So McCain is basically running with this, what I believe is a false narrative, with the Assad regime using chemical attacks.

01:45:06.000 And they've got all of this propaganda being pushed with it going forward as well.

01:45:11.000 But it's an interesting point.

01:45:12.000 And you talk about the Freedom Caucus.

01:45:14.000 I wonder then if the rhetoric between Trump and the Freedom Caucus is just political.

01:45:20.000 What do you make of that, Jason?

01:45:22.000 Because they're butting heads right now.

01:45:25.000 Absolutely, and I'll tell you why they're butting heads.

01:45:27.000 It could just be playing politics.

01:45:28.000 I think they might just be playing politics.

01:45:30.000 Mr. Knight hit it square on the head when he spoke earlier when he talked about the fact that you can't look like a dictator.

01:45:36.000 Well, he's not going to look like a dictator.

01:45:38.000 He's going to look like a mediator.

01:45:40.000 That is his job.

01:45:41.000 He's a very, very professional businessman.

01:45:43.000 He hears ideas and people come to him all day long, whether it's nonsense or whether it's a billion-dollar deal.

01:45:50.000 He hears everyone speak.

01:45:52.000 Let me chime in on this because...

01:45:55.000 Let me chime on this because we had Roger Stone come on earlier and he prefaced it by saying, look, whenever I have criticisms of Trump, it's because I want to see Trump succeed in the agenda that he campaigned on and what I believe that he wants to accomplish.

01:46:07.000 And so I have those same kind of concerns.

01:46:09.000 And when he was talking about how he believed this bill came from Boehner and Ryan, and of course I've said in the past, Ryan was picked to run with Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney, the establishment, wanted to get this health care bill through.

01:46:22.000 Romney care that had been enacted in Massachusetts with Ted Kennedy was exactly like Obamacare.

01:46:29.000 So they were hedging their bets with Mitt Romney and with Paul Ryan.

01:46:31.000 And Paul Ryan has blocked any reform or repeal of Obamacare so far.

01:46:36.000 But what I'm concerned about, and I'm curious as to what you think about when you look at politics, why the Twitter rants from Donald Trump attacking people like Meadows out of California and then threatening Mark Sanford, a Republican out of South Carolina, saying that the budget chief... a Republican out of South Carolina, saying that the budget

01:46:54.000 Mick Mulvaney, this was reported by The Hill, Mark Sanford said the president said that Mark Mulvaney came to him and said, the president asked me to look you square in the eye and say that he hoped that you would vote no on this bill so that he could run a primary challenger against you in 2011.

01:47:10.000 And Sanford, who comes from a long line of political Republicans in South Carolina, said that Mulvaney was a friend, a former member of the South Carolina delegation.

01:47:20.000 He said, I've never had anyone over my time in politics put it to me as directly as that.

01:47:26.000 And it was reported by Politico that, again, Jared Kushner, who Roger Stone said had, according to his sources, been sending a lot of private tweets to Joe Scarborough at MSNBC that would then result in attacks on Bannon.

01:47:40.000 They point out in Politico that Kushner had brought in Zeke Emanuel.

01:47:45.000 This is the brother of Rahm Emanuel.

01:47:47.000 This is the architect of Obamacare.

01:47:51.000 Kushner brought him in for the meetings in the White House with senior staff three times, had him meet with Donald Trump once to put forward his view of healthcare.

01:47:59.000 And of course, Zeke Emanuel has been very outspoken about the fact that he believed that Obamacare would never be repealed.

01:48:04.000 He said, we can make it better.

01:48:06.000 But you're never going to get rid of it.

01:48:07.000 We put this thing in here.

01:48:08.000 So the question that I have when we look at what's moving forward with this and the attacks against Justin Amash by Dan Scavino, Trump's social media director, by the attacks, the threats made to Sanford.

01:48:22.000 And I want to say this, too.

01:48:24.000 We've had a lot of people, not just Roger Stone.

01:48:27.000 We've had Laura Ingraham.

01:48:28.000 We've had Michael Savage say, we don't really understand what Donald Trump is doing attacking the House Freedom Caucus.

01:48:35.000 And as Laura Ingraham pointed out, she said there were more people, this did not cause you to lose votes, there were more people who were opposed to this bill that were outside the House Freedom Caucus, the so-called maybe moderates in the Republican Party were opposed to it, than people in the Freedom Caucus.

01:48:49.000 And yet it was the Freedom Caucus who stood by Donald Trump when it was Paul Ryan trying to oust him in October.

01:48:57.000 Here's an article from CNN. Mark Meadows, in October 2016, saying that efforts to remove Speaker Ryan were picking up steam because many GOP lawmakers and a stream of callers to this North Carolina congressman's office were very upset that Paul Ryan had not embraced Donald Trump's candidacy.

01:49:16.000 He said a lot of people who believe so desperately that we need to put Donald Trump in the White House question the loyalty to the Speaker.

01:49:22.000 And so at that point, he was saying House Freedom Caucus is going to talk after the election about getting Paul Ryan out of the speakership.

01:49:31.000 And so when I look at this, I don't understand why this misplaced loyalty unless it is Jared Kushner who has Donald Trump's ear.

01:49:39.000 I mean, Jared Kushner left while this was all happening, went to Aspen so he could distance himself from it, then comes back and perhaps, and this is pure supposition, perhaps he was telling Trump Hey, it's these guys in the House Freedom Caucus because he's been bringing in Zeke Emanuel, the guy who was the author of Obamacare.

01:49:57.000 What do you think?

01:49:59.000 Jason, we've got to let you go.

01:50:00.000 Thank you for the call.

01:50:01.000 Let's get to one more caller.

01:50:02.000 Let's go to Larry in Ohio.

01:50:04.000 Please make it quick, Larry.

01:50:06.000 We've got just a couple seconds.

01:50:07.000 Larry, go ahead.

01:50:09.000 Okay.

01:50:11.000 A couple things real quick.

01:50:13.000 I don't know if you guys have access to C-SPAN's archive films, but years ago, I believe during the Bush administration.

01:50:23.000 I don't know how many people realize how close we come to this country coming to an end, okay?

01:50:28.000 It was Christmas week of this particular year.

01:50:31.000 I just happened to be going across C-SPAN, caught the channel for the Senate.

01:50:35.000 They were having a vote.

01:50:37.000 It only takes a majority to pass a bill, okay, if it's in the final stages. 0.94

01:50:43.000 The bill was going to open up Alaska for drilling, yak yak, and all this other crap.

01:50:47.000 But there was an amendment to this bill, okay?

01:50:51.000 The longest serving senator in American history, Robert C. Byrd, had to have gotten wind of this.

01:50:58.000 It stayed there.

01:50:59.000 They held the bill.

01:51:00.000 They went to have the vote.

01:51:03.000 Robert C. Byrd filibustered this thing.

01:51:06.000 This man was very upset.

01:51:09.000 He was bent out of shape like you couldn't believe.

01:51:11.000 He pulled his little Bible out of his pocket, slamming it on the podium.

01:51:14.000 I thought the man was going to have a heart attack.

01:51:16.000 What that amendment was, was to suspend the U.S. Constitution.

01:51:21.000 The senior Republican from Alaska, who is now dead, he died before they could convict him of all the crimes he had done.

01:51:29.000 He was kicked out of the Senate.

01:51:30.000 Robert C. Birch stopped this.

01:51:33.000 This was back, I believe, during the Bush administration.

01:51:36.000 Had that happened, You, me, and nobody else will be having this conversation.

01:51:41.000 That's how close we come to losing our country.

01:51:43.000 Well, that's an interesting point.

01:51:44.000 I mean, you look at...

01:51:45.000 You read some of the fine print on the NDAA. I mean, you could essentially say that that pretty much stalls the Constitution.

01:51:52.000 I mean, there's so much unconstitutionality in the NDAA that...

01:51:55.000 You could make the same point there, I think, Larry.

01:51:57.000 Thank you for the call.

01:51:58.000 It was left as a formal declaration that the Constitution is dead.

01:52:00.000 It has a dead letter.

01:52:01.000 And just real quick, with Trump and the Freedom Caucus and Kushner meeting with Zeke Emanuel, it is funny.

01:52:07.000 It looks like they're trying to play both sides.

01:52:09.000 Who knows what the end goal is.

01:52:12.000 I don't think that Trump is truly butting heads with the Freedom Caucus.

01:52:14.000 I think that he's just doing that to give the Democrats a false sense of hope.

01:52:19.000 That the Freedom Caucus will try to stall any Trump agenda as they would with themselves.

01:52:24.000 Before we go to Millie Weaver's video documentary report on wind energy, let's play this clip of Lavoie Finnicum's niece.

01:52:33.000 Now, I'm just going to say this before we go to the clip.

01:52:36.000 If Lavoie Finnicum would have been a black man, I have a feeling that the media would have given this story a lot more attention.

01:52:45.000 Let's go to this video of Lavoie Finnicum's niece.

01:52:49.000 Honestly, I'm a mother and a hard worker and I never knew that this was going on in our country until my uncle started standing up for his own ranch.

01:53:00.000 And I'm learning a lot.

01:53:03.000 And so I think that every American needs to stand up.

01:53:07.000 It may not affect you directly.

01:53:10.000 Not yet.

01:53:12.000 Immediately.

01:53:12.000 That's what I mean.

01:53:13.000 But it will.

01:53:14.000 And it has hit me at home with my uncle being murdered.

01:53:18.000 And I want my kids to live free.

01:53:20.000 And I want my grandkids to live free.

01:53:21.000 And right now, that isn't happening.

01:53:23.000 And the mainstream media does not tell the truth, usually.

01:53:27.000 They may say parts of the truth, but right now they're not telling the truth.

01:53:31.000 And my job is to get out here and tell the people the truth about my uncle and who he was and how he was murdered.

01:53:38.000 Yeah, there's apparently at least two bullets that were fired that were unaccounted for in that ambush, and one of them was a high-powered rifle, as far as I know.

01:53:47.000 What facts have you learned since all the information's been coming out?

01:53:51.000 There are a lot of things going on right now that we don't know and I am not going to talk about anything that I don't know because we don't know the facts right now.

01:53:59.000 No one knows the facts because they're not being put out there for us to know.

01:54:03.000 So our family is working on an investigation so we are encouraging everyone to sign our petition.

01:54:09.000 We're petitioning the Oversight Committee of Government Reform to do an investigation of his death.

01:54:16.000 That is my website.

01:54:18.000 I created that after my uncle was killed to unite Americans no matter what your cause is, no matter what liberty fight you have.

01:54:26.000 We need to all stand together no matter what your cause is.

01:54:31.000 If you're standing for the Constitution, then we are standing for liberty and standing with God.

01:54:37.000 And that is what we all need to do.

01:54:38.000 We need to unite now and stand for liberty and stand for God.

01:54:43.000 Totally agree.

01:54:44.000 You got anything else you want to add?

01:54:45.000 I just, I really want everybody to just stand up and get involved in your community.

01:54:52.000 There's many, many ways that even a mother like me can stand up and get involved in her community and I encourage everyone to do that.

01:54:58.000 That's the only way that this is going to change.

01:55:01.000 It's the only way.

01:55:03.000 Alright, give us your website again.

01:55:04.000 The website is nationalstandbymeforliberty.com.

01:55:08.000 And you will find Patriot Support Center.

01:55:11.000 There are 23 or more prisoners right now being held for standing up for their First Amendment and Second Amendment rights.

01:55:17.000 And they did nothing wrong.

01:55:19.000 They didn't point a weapon not one time.

01:55:21.000 Not one shot was fired from those Patriots.

01:55:24.000 Not one.

01:55:25.000 But the terrorists here are the FBI in this matter.

01:55:30.000 So everybody needs to know that.

01:55:32.000 And now they're going after the one sheriff that supported the guys up there in Burns, Oregon.

01:55:37.000 He wasn't from that county, but the neighboring county.

01:55:39.000 And he actually came out and said it was an ambush.

01:55:41.000 And now they're trying to get him out of office.

01:55:43.000 Well, you know what?

01:55:44.000 We're working with him.

01:55:45.000 And our community, the Stand By Me community that we have created, is backing him and backing any sheriff or legislator or any representative in any state that is willing to stand for the Constitution.

01:55:58.000 So if they're standing for the Constitution, we stand behind them.

01:56:02.000 All right.

01:56:03.000 All right.

01:56:03.000 Thanks a lot.

01:56:03.000 Thanks a lot for speaking out.

01:56:04.000 Thank you.

01:56:05.000 All right.

01:56:06.000 And again, we played that report because we had Lord Moncton on earlier in the program talking to Alex Jones, and he brought up the issue of Lavoie Finnicum's murder.

01:56:14.000 And it clearly was a murder.

01:56:15.000 If you look at those videotapes and you look at the aerial footage that was first put out by the FBI without any sound, and then you look at the video that came out later from inside the vehicle and you put those two side by side, you get a real clear picture Of what was going on there.

01:56:31.000 And, of course, the trial right now at the Bundy Ranch has just entered the second stage, the defense stage.

01:56:37.000 And there were some interesting admissions in the first stage of that, the fact that the FBI went around with film crews afterwards trying to get people to talk about it in a way that would incriminate them.

01:56:46.000 So it's a very interesting development.

01:56:49.000 You need to pay attention to what's going on there.

01:56:51.000 There's very important constitutional issues involved there.

01:56:54.000 And this is an example that we have the video, we could actually have a fair discussion based on the video that you could see the media rolling with to increase ratings, but no, they'd rather push the Michael Brown thing where we have no video, it's ambiguous, and they can racially base the entire story.

01:57:10.000 They ran the false narrative of the FBI for a couple of weeks until everybody thought they knew all about it and let them spin what was happening with that.

01:57:20.000 And then when nobody was paying any attention, then the rest of it came out.

01:57:23.000 It's kind of like putting the retraction on page 35 of Section C in the newspaper after you run with headlines, front page headlines, for weeks indicting somebody.

01:57:33.000 Then they come out with the full story later on that most people have never paid any attention to.

01:57:38.000 And a lot of people are saying that it's just pathetic how the mainstream media has completely ignored that story.

01:57:45.000 Just completely ignored it.

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01:58:28.000 This has been Infowars Live 3 to 5. The nightly news will be tonight live at 7. But now we pitch it to a debut of Millie's documentary report on wind energy.

01:58:40.000 We debut that report right now on InfoWars Live.

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01:59:03.000 Live InfoWars Live InfoWars Live InfoWars Live InfoWars Live InfoWars Live InfoWars Live Millie Weaver reporting for InfoWars.com.

01:59:27.000 We are here in Kansas City and we're going to be asking people what their opinion on climate change is, if they believe that it's a real thing.

01:59:36.000 We're also going to find out what they know about green energy, wind turbines, and if they've actually ever lived near a wind farm.

01:59:44.000 I think it's pretty obvious that we have a substantial amount of climate change in Kansas City considering it's like the first day of spring near December.

01:59:50.000 So I think it's incredibly important that we invest in green energy.

01:59:53.000 I do believe in climate change and about green energy I think it needs to be more proactive than what we're doing now.

02:00:00.000 I believe in climate change and as far as green energy, solar and solar energy is really the way to go and it's a lot cleaner.

02:00:11.000 I know it's changing because like in the wintertime it's a different weather.

02:00:16.000 It's like summertime weather and then sometimes in the summertime it's winter weather.

02:00:20.000 I believe in climate change for sure.

02:00:23.000 I'm very big on green energies.

02:00:26.000 Anything sustainable I support 100%.

02:00:29.000 Yeah, I think climate change is something that's probably occurring.

02:00:34.000 I think there's a lot of inconclusive evidence or we get mixed reviews, but ultimately I think we could say we could do better.

02:00:41.000 I think green energy is great and I do believe in climate change.

02:00:45.000 You think it's too warm?

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 For this type of season right here, yeah.

02:00:49.000 Hey, does Alex Jones, does he believe in aliens?

02:00:53.000 Yes or no?

02:00:54.000 Do you believe in climate change?

02:00:55.000 Does Alex Jones believe that the elite is controlled by aliens?

02:00:59.000 Yes or no?

02:01:00.000 Do you believe in climate change?

02:01:03.000 I'm not Alex Jones, so I... Well, that's the news agency you represent.

02:01:07.000 You spread lies to the masses, and then they go and they...

02:01:10.000 I can't...

02:01:10.000 You should be ashamed of yourself.

02:01:12.000 Yeah, okay, buddy.

02:01:13.000 I don't even know.

02:01:14.000 You're talking craziness.

02:01:15.000 I'm trying to ask you, do you...

02:01:16.000 I'm going to ask you a legitimate question.

02:01:18.000 Do you believe in climate change?

02:01:20.000 Absolutely.

02:01:21.000 Why?

02:01:22.000 What are your reasons for believing in climate change?

02:01:25.000 Drive the car.

02:01:26.000 Yeah, I don't...

02:01:27.000 It's a red light, so this is cool.

02:01:29.000 There's more ice in the Arctic Shelf right now in the north than ever.

02:01:32.000 That is happening because it's melting at a rapid rate everywhere else.

02:01:36.000 It's going to change the currents in the ocean, and then we're going to start to see massive...

02:01:41.000 I gotta go.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, we gotta go.

02:01:43.000 All right.

02:01:43.000 But yeah, you know, keep doing what you're doing.

02:01:47.000 Do you believe that coal power and gas power are bad?

02:01:52.000 And do you want people to replace those powers with wind and solar?

02:01:57.000 Absolutely.

02:01:58.000 If we can provide and create and utilize sustainable energy, then why wouldn't we?

02:02:02.000 I think as much as we can, we should.

02:02:04.000 To an extent we can, but we'd have to really expand the solar quite a bit in order to do that.

02:02:10.000 Because right now we do use so much coal and gas and oil.

02:02:14.000 Yeah, so it can be, you know, we can try and make the world better like I used to be back in the days to where, you know, make where the houses and stuff is like solar powered and stuff like that.

02:02:28.000 It'd probably be better for me.

02:02:30.000 You bet.

02:02:31.000 Absolutely.

02:02:32.000 Do you know much about wind power?

02:02:34.000 I don't actually.

02:02:35.000 I know the guys that work on the wind farms get paid a lot of money.

02:02:40.000 That's about it though.

02:02:41.000 Oh, I think wind power is also great.

02:02:43.000 I know there's a lot of windmills in Kansas and Iowa and I think that's a great idea as well.

02:02:50.000 I don't really know too much about that.

02:02:51.000 I do.

02:02:52.000 I know a lot about wind power.

02:02:54.000 My son is very much involved in green energy because he's a landscape architect and he's worked on projects promoting wind power, especially in the Greensburg, Kansas area.

02:03:09.000 I think it's great.

02:03:10.000 I think it's a good idea.

02:03:12.000 I know it created a lot of jobs when they're first installing them, and a lot of the people who got them on their land also get like a government stipend, I believe.

02:03:19.000 Did they continue to create jobs?

02:03:21.000 I would say as soon as the manufacturing is done, there would be zero jobs.

02:03:25.000 Have you ever lived near a wind farm before?

02:03:28.000 I have not.

02:03:30.000 I've drove through the ones in Kansas, but I've not lived near one.

02:03:34.000 No.

02:03:35.000 I haven't.

02:03:36.000 I had one friend a couple years back.

02:03:39.000 And what did he say about his experience?

02:03:42.000 He didn't really tell me too much about it.

02:03:44.000 He just was telling me where he used to stay at.

02:03:46.000 I don't know anybody who has lived on or near a green wind farm, but I know my son's involvement with it and it's very important, I think.

02:03:57.000 I know several people who have them on their properties where they, so usually they buy out large chunks of land and put in several on a pasture or open sort of high plain area.

02:04:11.000 It doesn't seem to cause too many problems.

02:04:13.000 There's been a couple incidents with installing them and the cattle that are currently on that land.

02:04:20.000 But other than that, it's negligible, I'd say.

02:04:23.000 Did you ever hear anything about wind farms causing birds to die?

02:04:28.000 I have not.

02:04:29.000 No.

02:04:30.000 I thought they had the little sound things on them that kept the birds away, but I could be mistaken.

02:04:36.000 The only thing I've heard about is that they say that some birds do get killed by the windmills, but other than that, I haven't heard anything negative about it.

02:04:46.000 Ooh, couldn't say for sure whether I have not heard that.

02:04:51.000 It is very plausible.

02:04:53.000 I'd like to see some numbers on that.

02:04:55.000 My impression from my reading is that it's very minimal.

02:04:58.000 What do you know about the wind turbine's effects on bat populations?

02:05:04.000 On bat population, I would, I mean, I don't know anything about it other than I would guess it would be very minimal.

02:05:11.000 Would it surprise you to know that it's between 600,000 and 900,000 bats a year?

02:05:16.000 Yeah, it would surprise me to know that.

02:05:19.000 I have yet to hear it.

02:05:21.000 I think a lot of the places that are getting wind turbines in their area are the rural areas and people are happier to have cheaper energy out there than not have it.

02:05:33.000 Do you think that the wind farms generate a lot of energy?

02:05:37.000 Probably so.

02:05:40.000 Well, I'm not familiar with the Health concerns at this point.

02:05:48.000 I just couldn't speak to that.

02:05:50.000 It's not surprising to find that many of the people living in the big cities are very much for green energy and they do believe in climate change.

02:06:00.000 But we also find that these people have very little personal experience up close to these wind turbines and they've actually never lived near one of these things.

02:06:09.000 So we're going to go drive out to the rural areas and see if we can find some people that live right next to these wind farms and ask them what's their opinion on these wind farms What are the drawbacks?

02:06:26.000 We are here in Hayes, Kansas, where a wind farm called the Buckeye Wind Farm has been erected a couple years ago.

02:06:35.000 I had the opportunity to speak with a young florist working in a flower shop that did say that there has been an unusual increase in funerals In the area surrounding these wind turbines for people that are living by these wind farms.

02:06:52.000 She was very nervous and hesitant to speak to me and when it came down to it, her manager or boss did not allow her to be interviewed because they were just uncertain about the whole thing.

02:07:05.000 But this just goes to speak to more of this weird phenomenon of health impacts surrounding these wind farms.

02:07:14.000 Quite the workday for El Paso County Commissioners.

02:07:17.000 After a lengthy 15-hour meeting, commissioners vote to move forward on changes to a controversial wind farm project.

02:07:25.000 11 News reporter Kristen Halbrick is live now.

02:07:27.000 Kristen, you talked to County Commissioner Amy Lathan tonight.

02:07:30.000 This is her district, so even with all those strong objections, why did she say yes?

02:07:34.000 County commissioners say if they said no, they could have been faced with a very expensive lawsuit.

02:07:41.000 I talked with County Commissioner Amy Lathan.

02:07:43.000 It's her district.

02:07:44.000 I asked her why she was one to vote yes when she was originally against it.

02:07:49.000 If Nextera stopped the project, Lathan says they could then turn around and sue the county.

02:07:55.000 If we just decide that we just don't want you to develop somewhere because we don't like it, that's considered arbitrary and capricious under the law.

02:08:03.000 And construction is set to start right here next month.

02:08:07.000 Nextera is hoping to have the wind farm fully operational by the end of this year.

02:08:11.000 Well, new tonight, a marathon hearing about the wind power project near Calhan that El Paso County commissioners approved a year ago continues right now.

02:08:19.000 It's a feeling of claustrophobia because you can't get away from it.

02:08:29.000 It's a feeling of claustrophobia because you can't get away from it.

02:08:32.000 I get nausea so I have to take, I'm taking so much medication you can't even believe it.

02:08:39.000 I'm not a big baby about stuff and I'm the first one to get out there and work hard and to know that my garden is something I enjoy doing and I can't, I'm not going to be able to do it because Because I can't enjoy it outside anymore.

02:09:07.000 We're here out in Calhan, Colorado, amongst the Golden West Wind Farm Array.

02:09:13.000 Now, there are a lot of people out here in Calhan.

02:09:16.000 As you can see, these wind turbines were built amongst a heavily residential area in a rural community.

02:09:22.000 I mean, there are homes kind of all throughout here, and these are giant wind turbines.

02:09:28.000 I mean, people don't realize how How enormous these wind turbines are.

02:09:33.000 If you actually were to measure the blade diameter, it's actually the length of a football field.

02:09:38.000 A lot of these people did not participate.

02:09:41.000 They didn't get compensated.

02:09:43.000 They were against the wind turbines being put next to their homes.

02:09:47.000 For a variety of different reasons.

02:09:49.000 And I've seen a lot of properties out here that look like people have moved and left.

02:09:54.000 We're here right by Liberty Road.

02:09:56.000 And the reason why I chose to do this right by Liberty Road is because our liberties, our property rights as rural community citizens of the United States are under attack by globalist influence, wind turbine, industrial corporations.

02:10:12.000 In order to elicit health effects on the Inversound, Senior scientist Vladimir Gavro is an electrical engineer.

02:10:28.000 It seems Gavro has constructed an acoustic weapon.

02:10:34.000 It begins when he and his assistant start suffering bouts of dizziness and nausea.

02:10:39.000 Humans can't hear infrasound, but it still affects us.

02:10:42.000 It disrupts a delicate balance system in our inner ear that makes you feel dizzy, nauseous, and generally it's quite unpleasant.

02:10:52.000 So in order to induce things like headache, nausea, migraines, all of that from infrasound, you have to be at almost ramp here.

02:10:58.000 And even your air conditioner, the air conditioner...

02:11:05.000 It takes some time to locate their source.

02:11:12.000 Gavarol suspects a faulty ventilator has been generating ultra-low frequency sound, inaudible to the human ear, known as infrasound.

02:11:23.000 French scientist Vladimir Gavarol has stumbled across the dangerous effects of super low frequency sound on the human body.

02:11:31.000 It's not unique.

02:11:35.000 Does it come from a wind turbine?

02:11:37.000 Yes.

02:11:37.000 Can they actually pick out the signature and say this is wind turbine specific n%?

02:11:42.000 Yes.

02:11:43.000 Since the meeting here on Thursday where the county commissioners heard next era defending themselves claiming that yes, we now do admit that infrasound is being trespassed onto non participating residents from these wind turbines.

02:12:00.000 But their claim was that it was not causing any medical harm.

02:12:05.000 Well, the person they had as their medical expert was simply a man with no little more than a philosophy PhD degree.

02:12:13.000 So they had a philosopher up there presenting their medical facts as to why these wind turbines were safe and why infrasound wasn't going to harm residents.

02:12:22.000 And now I'm going to pass the presentation over to Dr. Chris Olson.

02:12:26.000 My name's Chris Olson.

02:12:28.000 I hold a PhD in environmental health.

02:12:29.000 So I've been practicing as an environmental health consultant for the last 20 years.

02:12:34.000 And Dr. Chris Olson may have an impeccable reputation.

02:12:36.000 I don't know him.

02:12:38.000 I do know that I read a letter the other day that said he purchased himself in a Canadian court.

02:12:43.000 Christopher Olson confirmed under oath that he is not a medical doctor, not an acoustician, not an engineer.

02:12:51.000 Or an epidemiologist or an expert in epidemiology.

02:12:56.000 Now that was a statement in court under oath.

02:12:59.000 He also verified that he has a PhD in philosophy.

02:13:03.000 Very briefly, I'll clean up a few things here.

02:13:07.000 I do hold a doctorate of philosophy in environmental science.

02:13:11.000 A PhD is a doctorate of philosophy, and then you have your subdiscipline, whether it be English, music.

02:13:17.000 There was a couple of times it was brought up that I had murdered myself in Canada.

02:13:20.000 I have not ever been charged with surgery.

02:13:23.000 I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV.

02:13:26.000 Well, you know, I did get a chance to go up there and I spoke my mind.

02:13:30.000 I told them about a scientific study that several of the people out here, the residents participated in, in which medical doctors did say that these wind turbines were causing several residents, including myself, health effects.

02:13:44.000 I am here in the capacity as both a reporter and as a person who does have an interest.

02:13:51.000 Now, these are some of my questions.

02:13:53.000 What right do they have to trespass with noise levels that are in violation and infrasound, which can cause health problems?

02:14:04.000 And there are numerous studies out there that show this.

02:14:07.000 You guys want to ask someone about whether they actually did conduct a scientific study?

02:14:12.000 I did.

02:14:13.000 Please, sir.

02:14:14.000 We've done what you told us.

02:14:16.000 I'll have to give the matter a little thought.

02:14:19.000 Go away and come back tomorrow!

02:14:22.000 We worked with a doctor, a family practitioner, and my family was being seen by this doctor.

02:14:29.000 There were numerous tests that were done.

02:14:31.000 We had hair cortisol tests done.

02:14:33.000 The doctor actually said, yes, this is extremely abnormal.

02:14:36.000 Why are all of your guys's, it was myself, my husband, several other neighbors out there.

02:14:41.000 All of our hair cortisol levels were extremely high to where I said, well, could daily stress, could any amount of daily stress account for these hair cortisol levels?

02:14:51.000 And she said, no, this is abnormal.

02:14:54.000 I had numerous problems, which then led us to decide, let's go ahead and work with Robert Rand who is an acoustical engineer who has infrasound reading devices that we could use and he could then analyze the data.

02:15:09.000 Now we had this study where we had a bunch of people all in a cargo van with the infrasound We had our detection equipment present, tracking our vitals.

02:15:21.000 We had our heartbeat.

02:15:22.000 We had our blood pressure.

02:15:23.000 We had our temperatures being taken as we wrote down our symptoms that we were feeling.

02:15:28.000 And the doctor then reviewed these notes and said that, yes, there was something anomalous here.

02:15:35.000 And it was very concerning.

02:15:36.000 And what she actually diagnosed, the majority of us were experiencing what she termed as a vasovagal response.

02:15:43.000 There was a cardiovascular effect that we were seeing coming from these wind turbines.

02:15:49.000 And we had this study reviewed by expert doctors.

02:15:53.000 And guess what?

02:15:54.000 We do have expert doctor witnesses saying that, yes, these turbines were causing health problems.

02:16:01.000 Very resourceful.

02:16:03.000 Yes, sir.

02:16:04.000 So we'd like you to keep your promise to us.

02:16:07.000 So when you have somebody like Mr. Olson here, who's not an MD, we have MDs.

02:16:13.000 We have doctors saying there's something going on here.

02:16:16.000 In my opinion, you know, Nextera can say one thing, but when we actually have doctors looking and doing studies that we're conducting out there, I think that should speak for itself.

02:16:28.000 You unbreakful creatures!

02:16:30.000 Think yourselves lucky that I'm giving you audience tomorrow instead of 20 years from now!

02:16:37.000 Oh! 0.60

02:16:38.000 Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

02:16:42.000 What right do you guys have to impose?

02:16:45.000 Sound levels that are in violation of safety.

02:16:48.000 On non-participating landowner's property rights.

02:16:51.000 We will not be responding with that particular question, the legal question.

02:16:55.000 Again, this department and committee report by county attorney has taken notes.

02:17:00.000 I don't believe you!

02:17:02.000 Now, what's interesting is since this meeting happened since Thursday, these wind turbines have been off.

02:17:09.000 Now, it really makes me wonder, are they going to be off permanently?

02:17:13.000 Have the county officials decided that they are actually having an enormous liability on their hands?

02:17:22.000 So we were just standing out here reporting when this man came out and stopped by to ask us why the wind turbines weren't turning and he himself is a resident out here amongst the wind turbine array.

02:17:35.000 So have you been affected at all by these wind turbines?

02:17:38.000 My family has.

02:17:40.000 They have made my wife very sick.

02:17:43.000 She has trouble walking now.

02:17:45.000 Her joints ache.

02:17:47.000 We sold off our cattle.

02:17:49.000 They weren't doing well.

02:17:50.000 Our chickens stopped laying eggs and we're planning on moving.

02:17:53.000 We're being forced out.

02:17:55.000 Is there anything else you want to say about, you know, the wind turbines and things like that?

02:18:01.000 We feel really bad that the county didn't look after the people that were here.

02:18:08.000 Apparently they got bought off politically or something.

02:18:12.000 Have you received any complaints at all related to health impacts, whether those are for people or for livestock or pets?

02:18:20.000 Yes.

02:18:20.000 Generally speaking, those complaints have been that these impacts have been attributable to the infrasound, which will form noise.

02:18:29.000 Before I turn things over to Rich to cover in-depth our post-construction Sound monitoring.

02:18:35.000 I did want to just touch a little bit on the benefits of Golden West for El Paso County.

02:18:40.000 We have some one-time items, such as the $1.6 million development fee that was paid to El Paso County, $1.3 million for road and bridge improvements in the general vicinity of the project.

02:18:52.000 Over the 30-year life of the project, we're anticipating we're going to pay $25.5 million in property taxes.

02:19:00.000 You know, it's on a $400 million wind farm, and it's something that we feel certainly adds to the tax base of the county.

02:19:12.000 Also, in our development agreement, there's a $50,000 annual payment to El Paso County for ongoing costs related to the administration of these permits.

02:19:20.000 That is a, you know, we make it no matter what.

02:19:23.000 You don't have to show us receipts that show you actually spent $50,000.

02:19:27.000 All the objections that were brought forth, they just brushed aside.

02:19:31.000 And we always felt there was an ulterior motive why they were here.

02:19:36.000 But, you know, without a lot of money to dig into it and legal aid, there's no way you'll ever find out the truth.

02:19:44.000 The way they wrote the contract, they can turn around and walk away, and the county's stuck with Trying to get rid of these things.

02:19:51.000 We've also heard that the liquids that they use in these things pollute the ground and there's no way of getting rid of that too.

02:20:01.000 The ground's contaminated for years afterwards.

02:20:04.000 I don't think you're going to have a chance with Xterra.

02:20:07.000 I think they're going to take their money and run if they haven't already and then the county's stuck with the cleanup and you know they won't be able to do anything.

02:20:15.000 These things are already falling apart.

02:20:18.000 There's patchwork done all along the sides of these things and there's been numerous blades and repairs that have been having to be done on these wind turbines.

02:20:28.000 I appreciate Infowars coming out and looking into this and hopefully they'll make The public more aware of what's going on and maybe there'll be some resolution and I hope it stops some of these wind farms from spreading to other parts of other communities that will affect the health of other people.

02:20:48.000 Thank you very much.

02:20:49.000 By the fact that this man just drove by and stopped.

02:20:51.000 I've never met him before and he came out saying that his wife and himself are experiencing health problems because of these wind turbines.

02:20:58.000 So they don't even attempt to complain.

02:21:01.000 They don't even attempt to try because they feel like the county doesn't represent them and the county Just completely disregards their opinion whatsoever and is just fully doing whatever this big billion dollar wind farm corporation tells them to do.

02:21:16.000 We did get a tip from this gentleman that the next era wind turbine office area where they have their controls and whatnot seems to be closed down.

02:21:25.000 So we're going to go drive by to see if that's the case because, I mean, the turbines are not operating, so it seems as though they have shut them down for now.

02:21:36.000 Now we do not know if they are in fact closed or not, but I don't see anybody here and they definitely are locked up.

02:21:43.000 Their gate is locked and the turbines are not running.

02:21:46.000 They are off and according to residents, they have been off for a couple days now and people are starting to wonder and speculate as to why they're off and if it has anything to do with the recent meeting with the county officials.

02:22:01.000 I'm here with Joe Cobb and his son.

02:22:04.000 They are both residents out here in Callahan, Colorado.

02:22:07.000 So, Joe, how's it been living amongst the wind turbines?

02:22:10.000 Torturous.

02:22:11.000 Absolutely torturous.

02:22:13.000 It's just something that's just every day.

02:22:14.000 It's just berated and beat on every day.

02:22:17.000 You can't get away from it.

02:22:18.000 And now that they're down, we don't know what to think.

02:22:21.000 You guys do have livestock and animals.

02:22:25.000 How have your animals been?

02:22:26.000 I mean, I know you said that a lot of them have actually passed and you've had a lot of problems.

02:22:31.000 Can you tell us about that?

02:22:33.000 Yeah, we've lost 16 animals in the past 18 months since they turned these things on.

02:22:37.000 We've had two blind ducks.

02:22:39.000 We've got another one that's going blind.

02:22:41.000 We've had deformities in baby goats, and we've had even a baby horse that was aborted at full term, and we don't have any explanation why.

02:22:51.000 But we've been doing it for 30 years, and we've never had these problems.

02:22:56.000 And what about you?

02:22:57.000 What type of symptoms and health problems do you experience from the wind turbines?

02:23:03.000 It's been exhaustion is a good way to describe it.

02:23:06.000 You can sleep, sleep eight hours every night.

02:23:09.000 You wake up, you're just tired.

02:23:12.000 You stay tired.

02:23:13.000 It doesn't go away.

02:23:16.000 And mental clarity is a good way to describe it.

02:23:19.000 It's like you're in a fog.

02:23:21.000 I know that your mom has had health problems from it too.

02:23:25.000 What does she typically experience?

02:23:28.000 It's been tiredness, headaches, It's just, it's been.

02:23:35.000 Mental exhaustion.

02:23:36.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 Just straight up mental exhaustion.

02:23:38.000 And she's been fighting this every day.

02:23:39.000 She's only been away from it for two weeks since they came on.

02:23:42.000 And you can just see it in her.

02:23:44.000 I mean, the get up and go has got up and left.

02:23:47.000 And she just fights it every day to take care of the animals and feed them and keep them going while she's watching them suffer and die as well. 1.00

02:23:54.000 So it's really been hard on her.

02:23:55.000 Do you think that the county commissioners are actually going to do something to turn these things off?

02:24:00.000 Well, that's the only hope that we have at this point.

02:24:02.000 We've done our best to go before them and present our case, and we're hoping that at least they can give us a little bit of due credit.

02:24:10.000 They talk about being respectful of them.

02:24:13.000 They need to be respectful of us as well.

02:24:15.000 Do you think that's a little bit of a victory that Nextera had to admit that, even though they tried to then say that the infrasound wasn't going to cause health problems?

02:24:24.000 Well, it was an absolute victory, because all the times before I've talked to Next Air, and I've talked to David Gill personally on the phone, and he told me Infrasound exists, but turbines don't produce it.

02:24:33.000 And so I was fully prepared at the meeting to give them proof that Infrasound does exist, but they came along prior to that and admitted to it.

02:24:41.000 So now we've just got to get the health aspect of it out there, and all we can do is send out the information to the Board of County Commissioners and hope for the best.

02:24:50.000 The wind turbine company only did admit that the wind turbines did create infrasound after residents out here, including myself, all kind of chipped in and paid for an acoustical engineer to put equipment out on Various properties out here to test for infrasound and it was once that acoustical engineer found the presence of infrasound and that data was given over to the county.

02:25:16.000 Only then did Nextera admit to the infrasound being present on non-participating landowners properties.

02:25:23.000 Now I'm going to turn things over to Rich to discuss the technology studies.

02:25:27.000 My name is Rich Lampeter.

02:25:29.000 I'm an associate at Epsilon Associates, and I'm here this morning to talk about the 2016 Shadow Flicker and Sound Level Evaluations for the Golden West Wind Energy Center.

02:25:39.000 There are several requirements.

02:25:41.000 One is to conduct an actual sound level measurement study during operation of the wind energy facility under wind speed conditions identified as resulting in The study shall also propose mitigation measures to address any habitable structures that have been identified as experiencing higher than acceptable.

02:26:05.000 Acceptable is defined in the condition as 50 dBA.

02:26:09.000 To evaluate that 50 decibel limit, we're trying to capture worst-case conditions.

02:26:14.000 And what does that mean, and how do we do that?

02:26:17.000 Well, it doesn't mean that the winds are blowing at the maximum speed at the hub height.

02:26:23.000 It also doesn't mean we necessarily need maximum electrical output from the wind turbine.

02:26:28.000 Again, that's not necessary.

02:26:30.000 You humbug!

02:26:33.000 Yes, that's exactly so.

02:26:35.000 I'm humbug. 0.97

02:26:36.000 Oh, you're a very bad man!

02:26:40.000 Per request of neighbors in Cal-Anne, Colorado, I respectfully submit this review of the sound level compliance evaluation report.

02:26:48.000 I found errors and omissions.

02:26:50.000 Epsilon-amended noise impact assessment.

02:26:52.000 The Epsilon reports data confirm the presence of intrusive facility noise levels Exceeding the Colorado State Statute, Article 12, 45 dB, a noise limit for periodic noise.

02:27:05.000 Noise levels of 40 dB at night exceed World Health Organization thresholds of noise effects on people, and Epsilon has knowledge of this, as they have cited through 2009 in another non-wee turban case.

02:27:19.000 This assures sleep disturbance.

02:27:22.000 noise impact assessment was not found in the epsilon report epsilon omitted assessment of gold and less noisy impacts on children chronically ill and elderly even wind industry consultants have documented that noise levels over 45 40 to 45 ppa are associated with complaints such as sleep destroyers however the epsilon report was used i wanted to talk with jeff and sandy and ask them you know how have you guys been

02:27:50.000 since these wind turbines turned on What health problems have you experienced?

02:27:56.000 For me it started with the generator alignment tests.

02:28:00.000 For some reason my heart reacted to two of the different tests in which the wind was blowing through the turbines.

02:28:06.000 I ended up going to the cardiologist and discovered that I had two different problems with my heart.

02:28:13.000 One which was traditionally a turbine related type Medical issue and one which was called a mitral valve prolapse, which was the painful one, discovered that these problems were probably brand new because they were in their infancy, so to speak, in the body.

02:28:35.000 Wow, and what about you, Jeff?

02:28:37.000 What health problems have you experienced?

02:28:40.000 I guess it started with the migraine headaches, the dizziness.

02:28:44.000 I've also had lots of stomach problems and We had some issues with a dog dying that we autopsied and kind of freaked me out because all of his organs had swollen and his liver failed.

02:28:54.000 So I had my doctor check me out and found out that my liver had expanded too.

02:29:01.000 So at that point we decided we had to get out of here.

02:29:04.000 Have you heard of any heart attacks or any deaths or fatalities due to the wind farm as well as humans but also animals?

02:29:17.000 After the generator alignments, they had the line activation, three days of line activation.

02:29:22.000 That culminates in the final transfer of 250 megawatts of power down the line to make sure it can handle the volume as quoted to.

02:29:32.000 And on that night, we had a cardiac death A cardiac event leading to death.

02:29:41.000 We had two farmers end up in the hospital with cardiac events, and I myself did not go to the hospital, but I thought I was going to die of a heart attack.

02:29:50.000 We have seen a lot of ocular problems out here.

02:29:53.000 We've had a woman and horses go blind. 0.55

02:29:56.000 Our cows show night blindness now, so do our donkeys.

02:30:01.000 For our miniature donkey, it's extreme, the night blindness.

02:30:05.000 And then when the turbines are blowing, they will go into day blindness, where I have to guide them to the food.

02:30:11.000 You cannot imagine how bizarre that is.

02:30:13.000 And up in the region, other people are experiencing that.

02:30:17.000 We experience that ocular pressure.

02:30:19.000 Then seizures.

02:30:21.000 Nextair likes to claim that these don't produce seizures.

02:30:25.000 They absolutely do, and it's not just the flicker.

02:30:28.000 The infrasound also induces seizures.

02:30:30.000 We have proof of it.

02:30:31.000 We have too many seizures out here.

02:30:33.000 It's become an epidemic of seizures.

02:30:35.000 I'm experiencing it.

02:30:39.000 Then another problem is we've actually had people who, it's not just nausea, we had a woman who had to have stomach surgery and they could not figure out why that happened.

02:30:51.000 And when I mentioned that the turbines cause nausea, he said, oh my gosh, I'm going to tell the doctor because we had no, the doctor had no idea, we had no idea how this happened.

02:31:01.000 What did you do, Sandy, before you decided to come out and live the rural life?

02:31:06.000 I studied engineering, electrical engineering, specifically communications and I have a physics degree also so I worked for a mapping company after college and then I worked for two different power companies and then we decided to be closer to our family so we moved to Colorado and I went to work for the DoD.

02:31:25.000 What about you Jeff?

02:31:27.000 Yeah, I went to school for IT, so I was a programmer, systems analyst type of person, until we got the farm out here and started doing the rural life.

02:31:38.000 Well, what would you say to some of the people out there that may be skeptical about wind turbines causing problems and infrasound being a problem, given that you guys both have some pretty good college education under your belt and you have a lot of experience in engineering, what would you say?

02:31:54.000 I would say that anybody who thinks wind turbines aren't a problem come out and live for three months in a turbine infested house.

02:32:04.000 I would actually recommend a year of it for the true skeptics that have influence because what's going to happen is that you're going to know exactly what these rural people are going through And you'll have an upfront understanding of the bizarre nature of the wind turbine environment and the extreme degradation that happens in the body.

02:32:25.000 Since the turbines have turned on, we've had five dogs die unexpectedly, and we've had a steer.

02:32:33.000 And a baby bull died.

02:32:36.000 There's not really a good explanation of why that happened.

02:32:39.000 We don't have a lot of animals.

02:32:42.000 Basically, at least 50% of our animals have died in the last year and a half.

02:32:46.000 I guess I was a skeptic to begin with, too.

02:32:49.000 I thought they'd be a little noisy and we'd get used to it.

02:32:55.000 There's a lot of propaganda out there that's all pro wind farm.

02:33:00.000 It's like they think we're going to save the planet with these things and there's really not a whole lot good about them.

02:33:05.000 These turbines are off.

02:33:06.000 They've been off for three days.

02:33:11.000 Nobody's missing them.

02:33:12.000 Last night we were able to sleep in the house because the turbines are off and that's the first time in something like a year and a quarter.

02:33:21.000 It was wonderful.

02:33:24.000 So if they end up keeping these wind turbines off, are you guys planning on staying?

02:33:29.000 Oh, yes.

02:33:31.000 We don't want to leave because we love the place, but I don't see really a choice, except, you know, maybe they'll stay off.

02:33:36.000 I mean, it was such a blessing to be off right now.

02:33:39.000 So, Rosie, how do you feel about the wind turbines being off?

02:33:45.000 Are you happy?

02:33:47.000 Happy cow! 1.00

02:33:49.000 Yeah, she's a happy girl.

02:33:51.000 Look at her! 1.00

02:33:53.000 She's happy.

02:34:00.000 On Tuesday, President Trump signed an executive order unwinding Obama's climate change policies, which has climate change believers in a panic.

02:34:10.000 Now, this comes after President Trump has already directed the EPA to start withdrawing and unwinding Obama's Clean Power Plan Act, which pretty much was Trying to dismantle coal plants and replace them with solar and wind.

02:34:28.000 So we're going to be joined here by Larry Mott, a former General Electric power plant engineer, to talk about these wind farms and their efficiency.

02:34:36.000 Thank you so much for joining us, Larry.

02:34:38.000 So, Larry, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and please explain to us how these wind farms aren't as efficient as these wind developers would want us to believe?

02:34:50.000 Okay, just briefly about my background.

02:34:53.000 I started out as a nuclear power systems engineer with General Electric Company and was with them for five years and then after that started my own firm as a consultant in mechanical systems, mechanics, structures and also power systems including solar and a little bit of wind but more on the residential level as opposed to the industrial level.

02:35:19.000 And for the last 30 some years I've been essentially self-employed as a consulting engineer in Colorado but also with international practice extending to Europe and then to Japan and a number of other locations as well for clients.

02:35:36.000 So can you explain to us from a technical perspective how these wind farms aren't really that efficient?

02:35:43.000 Because I know you were saying something about that.

02:35:47.000 The primary problem with wind farms in general, the industrial turbines, and for that matter, even the smaller turbines, is that the energy that's contained in the wind is essentially a very diffused source.

02:36:02.000 It's very widespread, very low energy per volume.

02:36:06.000 So in order to actually take any energy out of the wind, you have to have a very, very large system.

02:36:11.000 That's why these wind farms are so big.

02:36:14.000 And there's a limited efficiency that can be gained from the farms.

02:36:18.000 Essentially there's a physics formula, a mathematical formula, that indicates that there's a minimum or essentially a maximum amount of energy that can be derived from the wind.

02:36:30.000 From these airfoils, which is essentially, these blades are actually airfoils, not really a windmill in that sense.

02:36:39.000 So there's a number of factors that feed into this formula.

02:36:44.000 One of them, for example, is the air density in the mountains.

02:36:49.000 So these machines are approximately 23% less efficient at the elevation of Colorado, Calhan, where this wind farm is, than they would be at sea level.

02:37:00.000 When you take into consideration all of the inefficiencies, the nameplate rating, which is what is primarily used as propaganda.

02:37:09.000 In this case, the wind farm is supposedly a 250 megawatt farm.

02:37:15.000 The actual rating of these machines is about 0.7 megawatts.

02:37:20.000 So the rating on the field is not 250 megawatts, it's actually closer to 100 megawatts.

02:37:27.000 Then the biggest factor is what we refer to as the non-dispatchable nature of wind energy, which means that the wind is intermittent and Mother Nature controls it, not the engineers in a dispatch center.

02:37:44.000 So you cannot actually ask the wind farm to produce more energy if you need it.

02:37:49.000 So when you take into consideration that plus what's known as capacity factor, which is the amount of time that the wind actually blows at a rate that you can derive energy from, all these efficiencies applied to the 250 megawatt nameplate rating brings it to under 100 megawatts Wow, so if these wind turbines are so ineffective, then why do they exist?

02:38:15.000 I mean, what do they survive on?

02:38:17.000 And can you go into that for us?

02:38:21.000 Real briefly, the only reason that the wind farms exist is that they're actually harvesting tax money, not wind energy.

02:38:29.000 There's a power production tax credit that provides 2.3 cents per kilowatt hour, $23 per megawatt hour of taxpayer money to the people who actually start the wind farms and operate them.

02:38:45.000 So they actually make more money on the Tax transfer from working Americans to the owners of the wind farm than they do from the wind energy themselves.

02:38:57.000 And to put it very briefly, Millie, if it was not for the power production tax credit, there would be no wind farms in America.

02:39:05.000 Wow, and I know you spoke with me a little bit about some corruption that you experienced out when you were out there trying to fight the El Paso County wind farm.

02:39:14.000 Can you tell us about that?

02:39:16.000 That's a pretty long story, but I'll try to be as brief as I can.

02:39:22.000 About the year 2006 or so, an organization called Clipper was promoting the wind farm in that particular area.

02:39:31.000 They were unable to put it together primarily because the zoning would not have allowed it.

02:39:37.000 So, an organization came forward called Multi, it was run by a fellow named Matt Cumberworth and David Hazel, and what they did is they actually packaged it up and they were able to arrange for a overlay, a zoning overlay that essentially allowed the county to put in these enormous towers, which would have normally violated the zoning laws.

02:40:06.000 So that's when I first noticed, and we went after it based on technical matters, But that turned out to not be very effective because the technical aspects which we just discussed, for example, the lack of efficiency, is not really a major consideration.

02:40:25.000 The major consideration is the flow of tax money.

02:40:29.000 So NextEra was instrumental in the initial hearing, though they were not the owners yet.

02:40:37.000 The owner was Cumberworth and his organization.

02:40:41.000 They were sitting in the room, however, and the idea was that they would run a power line into Falcon underground so that the Falcon people would not be opposed to the wind farm.

02:40:57.000 That's what the first hearing involved, and they essentially were able to limit all the opposition to just folks that were living in the wind farm All the Falcon opposition essentially dropped out.

02:41:11.000 But they were not able to afford to do the buried power line, Millie, so they had to get a change.

02:41:18.000 So NextEra essentially assumed that there would be a change to an elevated power line.

02:41:24.000 And in order to get that pushed through, they essentially made a payment to the county of $1.63 million prior to the hearing in 2015. They arranged for an elevated power line through a circuitous route through Falcon, not down Highway 24 and not underground.

02:41:45.000 They weren't able to afford an underground power line, and they did not want to run it down 24 past all the residents of Falcon.

02:41:53.000 So that hearing happened in 2015, and that one was essentially a unanimous decision in favor of NextEra.

02:42:04.000 With threats from NextEra to sue the county if that hearing had gone against them.

02:42:12.000 The Planning Commission hearing prior to the Board of County Commissioners hearing actually denied the change in the design and would have therefore essentially killed the project.

02:42:24.000 So why did the County Commissioners approve the project if the Planning Department denied it?

02:42:31.000 The Planning Department had its hearing about a month prior to the County Commissioners, Millie, and the evidence that was presented at the Planning Commission was actually quite devastating to next era.

02:42:44.000 They actually were caught trying to manipulate and threaten members of the public The Planning Commission members actually took that into consideration and they denied it six to three.

02:42:59.000 Unfortunately, the Planning Commission does not have A power that's binding, let's say.

02:43:07.000 All they can do is recommend.

02:43:09.000 So they recommended that the project be denied, the change in the project be denied.

02:43:14.000 And I should point out that had the change been denied, in other words, the change to an elevated power line through a circuitous route to the Falcon, had that been changed, the project would have been killed.

02:43:26.000 Wow.

02:43:27.000 Well, thank you so much, Larry.

02:43:28.000 You know, but we are running out of time.

02:43:30.000 This just goes to show how, you know, there's a lot of money in these government subsidies that funnels into these wind farms and they have a lot of power and they can use that money to influence.

02:43:42.000 I'm here with Lord Christopher Monckton.

02:43:46.000 What is your opinion on the wind turbines and what do you know about some of the fraud that they are perpetuating with these wind turbines and the tax subsidies?

02:43:57.000 Right.

02:43:58.000 First of all, wind turbines are an extremely expensive way of generating electricity.

02:44:05.000 Per megawatt-hour generated, they are five times as expensive as coal-fired power, if you include the subsidies that are paid to keep them going.

02:44:14.000 But that's before you take into any account of the environmental cost of these turbines.

02:44:21.000 Several major bird species are being wiped out and made extinct worldwide by these windmills, some of which are 600 feet high, And have blades 300 feet across.

02:44:36.000 I mean, very, very seriously big.

02:44:38.000 They are a fraud.

02:44:39.000 They generate intermittent electricity, costly electricity, and environmentally damaging electricity.

02:44:47.000 And because of the prodigious amounts of concrete that has to be made by burning of lime to make the base of these turbines, to stop them falling over in a high wind, they actually emit more CO2 to the atmosphere than they will ever save with the electricity they generate in their entire lifetime, which turns out to be, on average, not more than about ten years.

02:45:12.000 So they are a disaster that has found somewhere to happen, because crony capitalists have cosied up to governments.

02:45:19.000 There is no scientific base for them because we now know there's no problem with CO2. And even if there was a problem with CO2, by having windmills, you're actually adding to that problem because the net CO2 emissions from windmills because of the construction, the delivery, the transmission lines, and above all, the making of concrete for the bases exceeds any CO2 that would be saved by their operation.

02:45:41.000 So, in every way, windmills are an entirely useless solution.

02:45:46.000 They break down and require maintenance at a much higher rate than had at first been suspected, though I did, in fact, warn them that that would be the case.

02:45:54.000 And so they are a thoroughly bad idea.

02:45:58.000 And ought, in my view, to be banned.

02:46:00.000 They kill, in particular, the large game birds, which swoop from a great height on their prey that they see below.

02:46:06.000 And, of course, often they see other birds dead at the foot of these turbines.

02:46:09.000 And what the operators of these turbines now do is they have people at each major turbine site who are on site every day going around picking up the dead birds and taking them away in the hope that nobody will see what's going on.

02:46:23.000 But in Scotland recently, we had a very rare bird that came over and flew across the highlands of Scotland, and all the twitchers, the bird watchers, came out with their binoculars and they followed it wherever it went, and they were radioing through to each other, and they followed it across Scotland until eventually it flew into a 600-foot turbine.

02:46:42.000 It was batted out of the sky because it couldn't work out how fast the tips of these blades were travelling, and it was killed.

02:46:48.000 And it was a very rare bird, and this is happening more and more.

02:46:51.000 Bats are also killed by the turbine, and they're killed by the million, because if they go anywhere near them, the very delicate lung structures of the bat will simply implode.

02:47:01.000 And the bat will die instantly, even without actually striking the turpise.

02:47:05.000 So it's economically disastrous.

02:47:07.000 Golden eagles are being wiped out worldwide.

02:47:09.000 The osprey, which is just clinging on by its toenails in Scotland.

02:47:14.000 And Scotland, now in 60 or 70% of the Scottish landmass. 0.99

02:47:18.000 You can see these damn things. 0.97

02:47:20.000 The Scottish landscape, which was one of the most beautiful, wild, unspoilt landscapes in the whole of the world, has been destroyed by this monstrous industrialization with these 600-foot high miles. 0.99

02:47:30.000 That's right, and Donald Trump had a golf course in Scotland that was even impacted by wind turbines, and he has been vocal about, you know, his opinion on wind turbines and that they are a big waste, just as what you were saying as far as the tax subsidies.

02:47:47.000 He came and took a large area of sand dunes on the east coast of Scotland and turned it into a magnificent golf resort.

02:47:55.000 And then along came the developers and said, we want to put wind farms in.

02:47:58.000 And this, of course, destroys the fragile environment, and, of course, it destroys the bird life, and, above all, for a golf course, you want a nice view.

02:48:06.000 And if you're looking at these rusting turbines, half of which aren't even working most of the time, it's really a tragedy.

02:48:13.000 And he was quite right to be very angry that, having put a lot of money into this resort, he then finds it spoilt by these crazed environmentalists in the so-called Scottish, so-called national, so-called party, who are really a sort of new version of the Communist Party.

02:48:28.000 who have gone around putting these windmills all over Scotland because they hate the landowners who own Scotland and they want to do exactly the kind of damage to them that they've done to Trump.

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Alex Jones Show - April 04, 2017

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