Alex Jones Show - 20230331_Fri_Alex

00:00:00.000 I knew that these district attorneys and attorney generals campaigned on the pledge to get Trump.

00:00:07.000 These are Democratic district attorneys and attorneys general.

00:00:11.000 And now they are prosecuting.

00:00:13.000 Forget about the fact that he's the first former president to be prosecuted.

00:00:17.000 He's the first presidential candidate to be prosecuted and he's running against The head Democrat in the world, obviously, President Joe Biden.

00:00:27.000 And when a popularly elected Democratic DA who swore to get Trump is going after the man running against, essentially, his boss, the Chief Democrat, he better have a slam-dunk, ironclad case.

00:00:40.000 And I have to tell you, I haven't seen the indictment yet, but based on what I've seen, this may be the weakest case I've seen in my 60 years of practicing Law, so this is a great danger to American democracy and

00:00:54.000 the rule of law Patriots worldwide in defense of human liberty. It's Alex

00:01:06.000 Jones You

00:01:08.000 We are in a major crisis on our [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:01:28.000 Our republic is collapsing.

00:01:31.000 The dollar is losing its world reserve currency.

00:01:34.000 Our borders have been purposely lowered.

00:01:39.000 We are occupied by a corporate global force that seeks to destroy all nation states and the family.

00:01:44.000 They're going to bring down the world.

00:01:46.000 They've got to bring down the United States of America first. 0.73

00:01:51.000 No matter what you think of President Trump, this is the greatest legal crisis in U.S.

00:01:57.000 history.

00:01:59.000 Every major analyst agrees that this is beyond unprecedented and is truly a bellwether or a harbinger of the end of the republic.

00:02:10.000 Now you know why Soros has put in over 2,000 district attorneys and county attorneys and controls 22 attorney generals.

00:02:17.000 He's overthrown countless countries.

00:02:19.000 And he will overthrow America if we let him.

00:02:22.000 When I say Soros, I mean the people he represents.

00:02:26.000 This is a very vicious organized crime syndicate.

00:02:33.000 But it's being forced out in the open, and it's doing all this, Because the world, not just America, is waking up to these captors saying, we refuse to be your slaves.

00:02:48.000 Now, Roger Stone was on yesterday and the last thing he said is, Trump is still going to be indicted anytime now.

00:02:56.000 And of course, we now know Trump knew yesterday, before they even announced it, that that was the case, because his lawyer had talked Thursday Evening to the Puppet District Attorney in Manhattan.

00:03:12.000 Roger Stone predicted it yesterday.

00:03:14.000 He'll be joining us in 15 minutes.

00:03:16.000 Robert Barnes is going to be riding shotgun.

00:03:18.000 Owen's going to be coming in as well with his excellent analysis.

00:03:21.000 And somebody wanted to get on for a long time.

00:03:26.000 Alan Dershowitz is going to be on with us coming up in the second hour to give his historical Legal views on this as well.

00:03:35.000 So a big broadcast lined up for you here today.

00:03:40.000 Let's play a short clip of Roger Stone on the show yesterday saying Trump will still be indicted.

00:03:49.000 There's nothing to prevent a U.S. 0.94

00:03:51.000 citizen from being nominated and running for president while under indictment.

00:03:56.000 In fact, not all of the alleged crimes against Trump would prevent him from running or being president, although being convicted of violation of the 14th Amendment would preclude you from running for federal office.

00:04:10.000 So I think it is entirely possible.

00:04:12.000 In fact, likely at this point, that Donald Trump will be waging a campaign to save this country, a crusade as it were, a 2024 campaign, while under criminal indictment by a politically motivated prosecutor.

00:04:30.000 And I actually think that is the backdrop that virtually ensures his election.

00:04:36.000 People can see through this, and I think they do see through this, And he went on to predict he will be indicted soon.

00:04:43.000 We'll have more of that coming up.

00:04:44.000 Roger Stone joins us in about 10 minutes from now.

00:04:48.000 And we will also be talking to Allen Dershowitz, Robert Barnes, Owen Schroyer.

00:04:53.000 We're looking to get Ted Nugent on him and talking to him.

00:04:55.000 He's pretty pissed.

00:04:57.000 Big broadcast lined up for you on this Friday's show.

00:04:59.000 Don't forget, we'll be back Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.

00:05:01.000 Central as well.

00:05:03.000 It's Friday, March 31st, 2023.

00:05:05.000 2023 we are a republic, we're a world sliding into classical tyranny.

00:05:05.000 We are a republic.

00:05:16.000 Wow.

00:05:17.000 President Trump, 34 count indictment.

00:05:22.000 We now learn they called up Trump's lawyer on Thursday and said we want him to turn himself in tomorrow.

00:05:27.000 So Trump knew Thursday evening.

00:05:33.000 But a week and a half ago, Alvin Bragg had done that once, saying, we're going to indict him in a couple days, we want you to turn yourself in.

00:05:40.000 And then when Trump said it, they went, oh, you're crazy, you're making it up.

00:05:44.000 The late night comics made jokes about it.

00:05:45.000 Trump made it up.

00:05:46.000 He's not being indicted.

00:05:49.000 Boy, he lies a lot.

00:05:51.000 Well, Trump, the last time they tried to trick him to come out and announce he was being indicted, he didn't announce it because he didn't know it was true.

00:06:00.000 They lie so much.

00:06:01.000 But now they've officially announced that it's still sealed, but it's 34 counts.

00:06:09.000 To describe how this pretty much completes our journey into being a banana republic, let's play a clip from Senator Josh Hawley, who's a former prosecutor himself, talking about this situation.

00:06:23.000 I think he sums it up best on Tucker last night.

00:06:27.000 Well, I think what this is about is nothing to do with the rule of law, Jesse, obviously.

00:06:31.000 This is about power.

00:06:32.000 It is a demonstration of raw power.

00:06:34.000 I think the Democrats know this has nothing to do with the law.

00:06:36.000 They're sending a message.

00:06:38.000 And the message is they will use any power that they have to interfere in the next presidential election.

00:06:44.000 They will not willingly allow Donald Trump to run for president.

00:06:47.000 They will not willingly lose the next election.

00:06:50.000 They're going to use every means at their disposal.

00:06:52.000 And Jesse, these are the same people who have sent SWAT teams to pro-life activists And that's him on another Fox show.

00:06:57.000 I also have him on Tucker as well.

00:06:58.000 Let's play a clip from Tucker.

00:06:59.000 Here's Tucker.

00:07:00.000 The whole monologue is on Infowars.com.

00:07:02.000 Let's play a few minutes of it, but he does a good summation.

00:07:04.000 their own privileges, their own positions, and we're seeing that tonight.

00:07:08.000 This is just unprecedented in American history and the only way out now is to win.

00:07:13.000 And that's him on another Fox show. I also have him on Tucker as well.

00:07:17.000 Let's play a clip from Tucker. Here's Tucker. The whole monologue is on Infowars.com.

00:07:22.000 Let's play a few minutes of it, but he does a good summation. Here it is.

00:07:25.000 Good evening and welcome to Tucker Carlson's.

00:07:28.000 Tonight, a Fox News alert.

00:07:29.000 American politics was thrown into complete chaos, perhaps permanently, about three hours ago, when a grand jury in Manhattan, one of the most liberal cities in America, a place where 80% voted for Joe Biden in the last election, decided to indict Biden's political opponent in the upcoming election, the Republican frontrunner, a man who leads by 30 points in polls, Donald Trump.

00:07:53.000 And the jury did this at the urging of a man called Alvin Bragg.

00:07:56.000 He's the Manhattan District Attorney who has been famous so far by making the city much more dangerous by refusing to enforce laws against crimes like robbery and rape.

00:08:05.000 Now, we don't know at this hour what the indictment says.

00:08:08.000 We don't know specifically what the charges are.

00:08:11.000 But previous news reports suggest they will emanate from an alleged payment seven years ago, a payment that federal regulators said violated no law, But that Alvin Bragg apparently believes is a crime.

00:08:25.000 Either way, the net result is Donald Trump is the first former president of the United States ever to be indicted.

00:08:32.000 So no matter what happens next, we can be certain there is no coming back from this moment.

00:08:38.000 There could be retaliation from red states.

00:08:40.000 The governor of Florida has already said, Ron DeSantis has already issued a statement saying that he will not participate in any extradition of Donald Trump to New York.

00:08:48.000 That's apparently scheduled for next week.

00:08:51.000 As you can probably tell, we're not certain of the full outlines of the story, but we know this moment is a historic one.

00:08:57.000 We want to set tonight in facts, those that we have so far, and we're going to do that as we always do, with the help of Fox's Trace Gallagher, who is with us tonight on set.

00:09:05.000 And we're going to have more of DeSantis coming up on this, but it's important to remember, Tucker, that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg has chosen to pursue a case that was investigated and rejected by two previous sets of prosecutors, because one, the case is politically explosive, as we all know, and two, it requires using largely untested legal theory.

00:09:05.000 Hey Trace.

00:09:25.000 Even Alvin Bragg himself initially decided against prosecuting Trump.

00:09:29.000 The case, as Tucker was saying, is centered around a $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, who claims she had an affair with Trump.

00:09:38.000 The DA, Alvin Bragg, could not charge this case as a misdemeanor because the statute of limitations on a misdemeanor ran out back in 2018.

00:09:46.000 And to charge it as a felony, the Manhattan D.A.

00:09:49.000 had to perform what many call legal gymnastics and say it was a campaign finance violation going down that road.

00:09:57.000 Numerous legal experts have pointed out that it would be monumentally improbable to prove that Donald Trump paid Stormy Daniels in an effort to win the White House instead of, say, an effort to save his marriage, etc.

00:10:11.000 Here's law professor Jonathan Turley weighing in on the indictment just a short time ago.

00:10:15.000 We're going to have more of this coming up, but first Roger Stone's going to be joining us coming up in the next segment.

00:10:20.000 Robert Barnes is joining us, Alan Dershowitz is joining us, and a lot of other big guests today I'm sure will also come in and give his commentary here today.

00:10:30.000 But let's just restate the facts here.

00:10:34.000 Trump is, in most polls, 25 to 30 points ahead of all the other Republicans, namely DeSantis.

00:10:43.000 In every major national poll, he's five to 15 points ahead of Biden in a rematch right now.

00:10:53.000 So going into the election two years ago plus, he was neck and neck with Biden in those same polls.

00:10:59.000 So people really miss Trump.

00:11:02.000 People understand we have total incompetence and evil running wild.

00:11:06.000 We know that Soros has defunded the police, controls the DAs in almost every city.

00:11:12.000 And that he is weaponizing the legal system.

00:11:18.000 Now, Owen Schroer is facing prison time for being outside the Capitol trying to stop people going in.

00:11:23.000 While Ray Epps told the January 6th Kangaroo Committee that he, quote, orchestrated the attack, because they had text messages where he said it, he's free.

00:11:33.000 Roger Stone had to be pardoned for doing absolutely nothing.

00:11:37.000 These very same organizations, top Democrat party law firms, you can look at the news, are trying to shut down Infowars right now, and trying to run around saying in the news, I'm a criminal, they want me in jail.

00:11:48.000 Not a shred of truth to any of it.

00:11:51.000 But this is the weaponization.

00:11:53.000 Because they know what we're promoting is constitutional, and it's popular, and it's growing in popularity.

00:11:59.000 And they know that President Trump is the president.

00:12:03.000 They stole it from him two years ago, but there's no doubt he's riding on a giant wave right now.

00:12:08.000 And if the election was held today, no matter how much election fraud, When you have a tsunami that big, you can't stop it with just dead people's names and having people vote.

00:12:19.000 You'll run out of the mail-in ballots.

00:12:20.000 You'll run out.

00:12:21.000 They barely were able to steal it from Trump two years ago.

00:12:24.000 You saw the magic ballots come in.

00:12:26.000 They closed the doors in the different states, like Pennsylvania, like Georgia, like Michigan, like Arizona.

00:12:33.000 And you see the same thing still in the election from Carrie Lake, when only Republican jurisdictions Did the Democrats that controlled the state, the lady that won the governorship by fraud, was running the election, where they gave the conservative precincts, Republican precincts, ballots that didn't work.

00:12:49.000 Oh, don't worry, we'll hand count those later.

00:12:51.000 So, they know there's a tsunami so big that they're not going to be able to stop Trump.

00:12:58.000 And so they are throwing the Republican into crisis, and I believe they're going to have a whole bunch of indictments cascading on him, believing it will create the perception that he really is a criminal, and that when they indict people around him, which you know is coming, it's already been going on, but it's about to get a lot worse, they're hoping some of them will turn state evidence and bear false witness, like Judas Iscariot did.

00:13:25.000 After the last supper for the 30 pieces of silver.

00:13:29.000 So I'm not comparing Trump to Christ.

00:13:31.000 I'm comparing these Judas goats that are out there to Judas Iscariot. 0.95

00:13:37.000 So that's where we are.

00:13:39.000 And this is a desperate globalist group that's losing control worldwide, losing control here domestically.

00:13:46.000 And instead of slowing down their operation and trying to back off a little, that they'd be smart, they'd still maintain control, they're forcing a confrontation with all their inept minions and ham-fisted operatives.

00:14:01.000 And all I can say is we need to call for peace.

00:14:04.000 We need to speak out against violence because I can tell you right now the next card they're going to play is going to be false flag terror attacks to blame it on Trump supporters and really try to bring in official dictatorship outlawing American populism and quote Trumpism in America.

00:14:21.000 Biden's already said the main terror enemy is white conservative voters.

00:14:25.000 And people that question elections or force injections.

00:14:28.000 So you see the battle lines being drawn.

00:14:30.000 You see the civil war they're trying to tee up.

00:14:32.000 And we do not want to play that game.

00:14:35.000 And the good news is all the numbers show people are seeing through this.

00:14:38.000 So they've got a big problem on their hands.

00:14:40.000 The globalists are losing.

00:14:42.000 But that makes them even more dangerous.

00:14:43.000 Roger Stone straight ahead.

00:14:45.000 [Music]

00:15:13.000 [Silence]

00:15:31.000 Well, ladies and gentlemen, you have lived to see history.

00:15:35.000 The first former or current president indicted This is the hallmark of dictatorships and banana republics. 0.98

00:15:44.000 The globalists are losing control, and so they're throwing down the gauntlet.

00:15:48.000 I believe this will be the first of many other indictments in Georgia, and also federal indictments against Trump, to send a message to everybody else, you sit down and you shut up, and you turn your children over to us, and your guns over to us, and your life over to us, or we will lock your ass in prison.

00:16:05.000 We're turning loose the murderers, the rapists, the killers, the bank robbers, and we're gonna throw your ass in the prisons, and that's what they're everywhere saying.

00:16:14.000 So the deep state is in overdrive.

00:16:16.000 This is an emergency broadcast.

00:16:18.000 Republic in crisis.

00:16:22.000 Robert Barnes will be riding shotgun with me coming up, Alan Dershowitz is scheduled to be on, but right now I'm going to go to the man that predicted Trump would be indicted on this show yesterday, and that he thought this 30-day hiatus was a smokescreen, is Roger Stone, one of the few people that has been in the same shoes that our embattled President Trump is in now.

00:16:44.000 But the good news is, this is backfiring and the polls are shooting straight up for Trump, the immovable object.

00:16:51.000 Alex, you're absolutely right.

00:16:52.000 We talked about this yesterday on your show.

00:16:57.000 Alex, you're absolutely right.

00:16:59.000 We talked about this yesterday on your show.

00:17:02.000 And once again, InfoWars, tomorrow's news today.

00:17:07.000 I thought that the break that the grand jury was taking for a month was a head fake, and indeed it is.

00:17:18.000 And therefore now, President Donald Trump has another historic first.

00:17:23.000 He is not only the first president to be indicted by a grand jury, he's the first president

00:17:29.000 of the United States to have his home raided by the FBI.

00:17:33.000 He is the first president to be impeached but not convicted twice.

00:17:39.000 He is the first president to be wiretapped by the FBI prior to his becoming president.

00:17:45.000 He is the first president banned on social media.

00:17:50.000 They will do absolutely anything and everything to stop Donald Trump, really because he is

00:17:58.000 the guy who's drawn a line in the sand.

00:18:01.000 As I said on yesterday's show, when he said, under a second Trump presidency, the State Department, the Defense Bureaucracy, the Intelligence Services, and all the rest will be completely overhauled and reconstituted to fire the deep state folks controlling them and put those who support America first in charge.

00:18:20.000 That was an all-out declaration.

00:18:22.000 declaration of war.

00:18:24.000 Now, if you're unhappy about some of the things President Trump did in his first term, there

00:18:31.000 can be no doubt what he will now do in his second term.

00:18:36.000 He is an older and wiser individual.

00:18:40.000 I think that he came to Washington with great intentions, but with a misunderstanding that

00:18:47.000 not everyone in the Republican Party was on his side, and that there were institutions

00:18:53.000 of government and the media who, from the moment that he was elected, were dedicated

00:19:00.000 to removing him and destroying him if necessary.

00:19:04.000 And now, just like they did in your kangaroo cases... 0.84

00:19:07.000 The judge and others are talking about gagging the president.

00:19:11.000 Now they want to gag the leading presidential candidate and the former president in an election cycle.

00:19:18.000 This is beyond transparent.

00:19:21.000 First of all, I think it's patently unconstitutional, but look, very few people can appreciate how the president feels personally at this moment.

00:19:30.000 George Papadopoulos would be one.

00:19:32.000 Paul Manafort would be one.

00:19:34.000 General Michael Flynn.

00:19:36.000 And then Alex, you yourself, you know what it is to be in the eye of the storm and to have the full force of state and federal government come at you, completely violate all of your constitutional rights.

00:19:51.000 Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that if you're charged with a crime at either the state or the federal level that you forfeit your free speech rights.

00:20:02.000 But in my case, as in I think potentially in this case, a federal judge Issued a gag order in which I could not defend myself.

00:20:10.000 I couldn't come back on InfoWars.

00:20:12.000 I couldn't go on any forum whatsoever.

00:20:14.000 I couldn't post on social media.

00:20:16.000 Although, frankly, I was banned on most of them at the time anyway.

00:20:20.000 But I couldn't go to stonezone.com and post an article in my own defense, which is why today I can't go to dinner, say, on a Sunday night with my family, my wife, my children, my grandchildren, without some hopped up Trans radical leftists coming up to the table and calling me a Russian traitor, of which of course there is no evidence whatsoever. 0.54

00:20:46.000 But I can see how this poor misguided individual might get that impression because CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Business Insider, they were allowed to repeat this unchallenged narrative.

00:21:01.000 Absolutely.

00:21:03.000 I would need to defend myself.

00:21:04.000 Trump is now potentially in the exact same position.

00:21:08.000 It is outrageous.

00:21:11.000 The president's right.

00:21:11.000 And of course it is.

00:21:12.000 This is all election interference.

00:21:15.000 He is not only a former president, but he's also the leading candidate, announced candidate, federal candidate for the Republican nomination for president.

00:21:25.000 And that is really what is at the root of all this.

00:21:29.000 They do not, in my opinion, want to run against Donald Trump again.

00:21:32.000 And I want to talk about that next segment because you're the real political expert on this.

00:21:37.000 if you look at the polls, he would beat Joe Biden again tomorrow, even in the wake of this news.

00:21:44.000 And I want to talk about that next segment, because you're the real political expert on this,

00:21:47.000 the time frame of them trying to get him in jail before the election. But if you look at that,

00:21:55.000 he could easily draw this out and then be the president again, and obviously pardon himself.

00:22:01.000 We'll talk about that.

00:22:02.000 But you mentioned guilty until proven innocent.

00:22:05.000 I had two judges literally in rigged cases say I was guilty.

00:22:09.000 Now let me put on evidence.

00:22:11.000 And then basically rigged juries to decide how guilty I am.

00:22:14.000 She said he is guilty.

00:22:16.000 He will pay money, and he has hundreds of millions of dollars, which wasn't true, wouldn't let us point that out, wasn't true, and then did that.

00:22:22.000 So that's the civil system.

00:22:24.000 Imagine how rigged, in places like New York and DC and Austin, the criminal systems have become.

00:22:29.000 But what do you make of Pelosi?

00:22:31.000 We just put the statement on air, saying he is guilty until proven innocent, and he needs to respect the system and keep his mouth shut.

00:22:39.000 So she said he's been given Given the opportunity to prove his innocence.

00:22:44.000 No, you're not given it.

00:22:44.000 It's right there, given to us by God, not by the state.

00:22:47.000 What do you make of her saying he is guilty until proven innocent?

00:22:50.000 Well, this is the obvious danger of drunk tweeting.

00:22:53.000 I really suggest people try to avoid drunk tweeting.

00:22:57.000 Clearly, Nancy Pelosi has no understanding of the U.S. 1.00

00:23:01.000 Constitution.

00:23:02.000 The President has no obligation to prove his innocence.

00:23:06.000 The government has to somehow seek to prove his guilt.

00:23:11.000 And they have an extraordinarily weak case.

00:23:13.000 A case that multiple federal prosecutors reviewed and rejected.

00:23:18.000 It's an abomination.

00:23:20.000 StoneZone.com.

00:23:22.000 StoneZone.com.

00:23:23.000 We're gonna come right back with Roger Stone with more critical analysis.

00:23:26.000 You will not get anywhere else.

00:23:27.000 And then, Alan Dershowitz, Robert Barnes, Owen Schroyer.

00:23:31.000 I'm Alex Jones.

00:23:38.000 Yes, New York City is turning into a criminal sorrows run game.

00:23:59.000 There is the District Attorney, Alvin Bragg.

00:24:02.000 We just showed you some footage of him arriving at the courthouse last night.

00:24:11.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, final segment with Roger Stone.

00:24:13.000 He'll obviously be on with us a lot because he's right in the center of the storm.

00:24:17.000 We couldn't have a better expert on with us.

00:24:19.000 Let me just say this very quickly.

00:24:21.000 I've been so distracted with news and information lately, you notice I've barely been promoting products or plugging things.

00:24:26.000 And I was talking to accountants this morning and they said, Jones, you're about to slip back in the red.

00:24:30.000 You need to go to your audience and get the funds.

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00:24:34.000 Plus, these are great tools to wake people up.

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00:24:51.000 And there's only 400 or 300 or so signed copies left and then I'm not going to do any more signed copies of this book.

00:24:58.000 I'm going to do another limited edition book later.

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00:25:55.000 Shirt, so Infowars.com or 888-253-3139.

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00:26:04.000 and more because he's in the middle of the fight just like I am.

00:26:06.000 And I'm not bitching at people.

00:26:07.000 I'm just saying you want warriors to take on the deep state.

00:26:10.000 You want people to expose the great reset, the new world order, and everything we do here

00:26:13.000 and have a huge effect?

00:26:14.000 We're doing it.

00:26:16.000 But we are your warriors fighting for you, fighting for ourselves, fighting for our families,

00:26:20.000 and we need everybody to step up and certainly share the articles and videos

00:26:24.000 because we're not doing this to lose.

00:26:25.000 We are winning hearts and minds.

00:26:27.000 The globalist-owned documents leak all the time.

00:26:29.000 They admit they're losing control globally and or domestically.

00:26:32.000 That's why they're doing things nobody's ever done before in this country because they're desperate.

00:26:37.000 Now, Roger, I want to raise this point to you and then get your breakdown of it and then how you see this unfolding.

00:26:44.000 They're losing so bad with this in the polls, it's blown up completely in their face.

00:26:48.000 It's causing the entire Republican structure to line up behind Trump.

00:26:52.000 As you said, he's up 25-30 points now, and he was dead heat a month ago with DeSantis.

00:26:57.000 And this, new polls are coming out showing him shooting up even higher.

00:27:01.000 Everybody knows he's a martyr, everybody knows Biden's a pedophile, and his son's a pedophile, and Chinese agents, and the Hunter laptop, and all of it.

00:27:10.000 I can sit back and I know the enemy's playbook.

00:27:11.000 There's no way without them setting off truck bombs and blaming it on us or a mass shootings or a race attack or something that this is going to work for them. 0.57

00:27:20.000 So I see the next card being staged violence to be blamed on us.

00:27:23.000 A, do you agree with that?

00:27:24.000 And B, how do we get out ahead of that and stop that?

00:27:27.000 Because we're winning.

00:27:28.000 We force them to engage in this open banana republic behavior, which is blowing up further. 1.00

00:27:33.000 So, or am I missing something here?

00:27:35.000 Because I think the only thing they can do now is, I mean, Launch World War 3 maybe?

00:27:39.000 A total collapse?

00:27:40.000 I mean, we're already there.

00:27:41.000 Roger Stone, what do you think?

00:27:44.000 Alex, I think it all entirely depends on timing.

00:27:47.000 Timing of which we're not sure.

00:27:49.000 Let's be very clear.

00:27:51.000 Even now, we're reacting to a leaked story in the New York Times, then picked up by CNN.

00:27:57.000 We haven't even seen the actual criminal indictment.

00:28:01.000 CNN says there are 34 individual criminal counts.

00:28:05.000 How could CNN possibly know that unless, of course, they have an illegal leak from the office of DA Alvin Bragg?

00:28:13.000 Whether any charge in New York or in Georgia can actually get to trial prior to the election, that's a question I can't answer.

00:28:24.000 I do feel more confident talking to constitutional lawyers and folks like Judge Andrew Napolitano, who's going to join me at StoneZone.live today at five o'clock, that it is unlikely that a federal charge in connection with anything that happened on January 6th or with the president's handling of certain sensitive government documents could get to trial prior to the election.

00:28:49.000 So what happens when the deep state realizes that with each bogus lawfare attack on Donald Trump, he merely grows stronger, then I put nothing whatsoever by them.

00:29:06.000 Notice that the Trump indictment news has wiped this horrific attack in a Nashville

00:29:13.000 Christian school by a trans shooter in which a number of Americans were tragically killed.

00:29:21.000 It's wiped it out of the news.

00:29:23.000 Also out of the news, the giant payments that members of the Biden family took from a Chinese

00:29:29.000 energy company, completely out of the news.

00:29:33.000 I put nothing whatsoever by those who are desperate to keep control of the country as

00:29:42.000 the situation deteriorates.

00:29:45.000 The other consideration here, Alex, is if we can manage to narrowly avoid being completely vaporized in World War III because of the shenanigans of this administration in Ukraine, Where President Trump has said peaceful and immediate negotiations and cessation of hostilities would be his single highest priority.

00:30:10.000 Obviously, Biden can't even get Zelensky to the peace talk table.

00:30:16.000 And he is his patron.

00:30:17.000 But they reject any effort for a negotiated settlement.

00:30:21.000 What will the American economy look like by the time of the 2024 election?

00:30:27.000 Banks are already beginning to fail.

00:30:30.000 Just because they propped up this one bank does not mean that they can prop up all of the banks.

00:30:36.000 Energy costs, once Joe Biden completely depletes our reserves, are going to skyrocket even higher.

00:30:45.000 I expect the food shortages not only to continue, but as the great Tucker Carlson has exposed, only get worse because of the systematic destruction of food processing industries across the United States.

00:30:58.000 Inflation is going to go even higher, the rate of inflation, based on the massive spending on this epic effort to stumble us into World War III.

00:31:11.000 The crime situation in America is not going to abate.

00:31:15.000 So what will the conditions in America be like on Election Day?

00:31:19.000 I agree with you.

00:31:20.000 We may get to a juncture.

00:31:22.000 Where the situation in the country is so unstable and the quality of life is so difficult that even Donald Trump, under what will be widely viewed in the country as a completely bogus and politically motivated charges, is turbocharged as a candidate and may in fact be unstoppable.

00:31:46.000 Let me add a few tidbits to what you said.

00:31:48.000 China and Brazil strike deal to ditch the U.S. 0.91

00:31:51.000 dollar.

00:31:51.000 Russia and China already did the deal.

00:31:53.000 India is now doing the deal. 0.95

00:31:55.000 Saudi Arabia announced they're doing the deal to now move away from the dollar.

00:32:02.000 This is the force to move out of the dollar.

00:32:04.000 It's not going to happen.

00:32:05.000 It has happened.

00:32:06.000 And Glenn Beck had a really great point.

00:32:08.000 I'll try to play the clip later.

00:32:10.000 But he said, we're not going to see a recession or a depression.

00:32:13.000 This is the collapse of the dollar.

00:32:14.000 This is something we've never seen before.

00:32:17.000 So this is all happening.

00:32:19.000 And the so-called elites running things are too busy trying to start a civil war with Christian conservatives.

00:32:25.000 And as you know, Biden came out yesterday and said, trans are under attack.

00:32:29.000 Nothing about the dead Christians.

00:32:31.000 And that they are shaping our soul.

00:32:34.000 I have the disgusting video.

00:32:35.000 And the press secretary said the same thing.

00:32:37.000 So, Keith Olbermann came out and said, they're murdering trans.

00:32:42.000 And it's gun owners fault these people died. 0.59

00:32:46.000 So they're literally just saying trans, trans, trans as Rome burns.

00:32:51.000 It's beyond insane.

00:32:52.000 Roger, stay there.

00:32:53.000 I want to get a closing comment from you and then we'll introduce Robert Barnes coming up, stonezone.com.

00:32:57.000 And that's a good idea.

00:32:58.000 We want to get the Apollo Taunos on as well.

00:33:00.000 I'm talking to.

00:33:02.000 Ted Nugent, he may be on today.

00:33:04.000 There's just so much going on.

00:33:06.000 We're going to have a lot of expert guests here, but we couldn't have a better one than Roger Stone on this subject.

00:33:10.000 Roger, do five more minutes with us.

00:33:12.000 We're going to get Barnes on right now as well.

00:33:13.000 Alan Dershowitz is scheduled to be coming up.

00:33:15.000 That'll be a first of his visit with us.

00:33:17.000 Infowars.com, Bandop Video.

00:33:19.000 Stay with us.

00:33:21.000 Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show on this live Friday, March 31st, 2023 transmission.

00:33:26.000 I had some court and legal things to deal with today, and I was not going to be hosting the show today.

00:33:32.000 Our bankruptcy's going well.

00:33:34.000 InfoWars is getting stabilized.

00:33:35.000 We have a lot of work to do, though, going through all these hoops.

00:33:38.000 But I went ahead and carved out time to be here.

00:33:40.000 Robert Barnes is going to be co-hosting with Owen next hour.

00:33:43.000 Then Dershowitz was able to come on today.

00:33:45.000 What's going to happen is I'm going to host into the middle of the next hour with Dershowitz and Barnes and then hand the baton to Barnes to finish up the interview.

00:33:53.000 Then Owen's coming in with a lot of other big guests and news as well in hour three and four here today.

00:34:00.000 And then we'll be back obviously Sunday and with my show 4 to 6 p.m.

00:34:04.000 and Owens 6 to 8 p.m.

00:34:05.000 called Sunday Live.

00:34:06.000 I'll probably do a Saturday show.

00:34:08.000 There's just so much going on so much unfolding and of course you have American Journal Weekday Mornings with Harrison Smith at 8 a.m.

00:34:15.000 doing a fabulous job as well.

00:34:18.000 I held Roger over because I had one more question about the timing and all of this and where it's going.

00:34:22.000 When he heard Barnes was on, he wanted to also ask some questions of Barnes.

00:34:27.000 So before I go back to Roger with this question to Barnes, and then Roger's going to leave us, any other key points you'd like to impart to the audience, Roger Stone?

00:34:38.000 Very interesting, Alex.

00:34:40.000 I have just seen the just now released Quinnipiac poll.

00:34:45.000 Now, this is a pollster for whom I have some respect in terms of their methodology.

00:34:50.000 Overall, among the American people, 62% believe that the prosecution of Donald Trump is politically motivated.

00:34:58.000 32% agree that it is motivated by the law.

00:35:00.000 That's two to one.

00:35:04.000 One, but what's most interesting is that among independent voters, 70% say it is politically motivated.

00:35:10.000 Only 26% believe it is motivated by the law.

00:35:15.000 Needless to say, among Republicans, it's 93 and 5.

00:35:19.000 And among Democrats, actually almost a third of Democrats believe that this prosecution against Donald Trump Is politically motivated.

00:35:29.000 I really think that is a pretty accurate snapshot of where the country is.

00:35:35.000 I think Donald Trump is exactly right in his true social posting in which he says this is going to backfire massively on Joe Biden.

00:35:45.000 We're gonna bring in Robert Barnes now and before he gets into all his key points and my questions, you had some questions for Barnes.

00:35:52.000 Roger.

00:35:53.000 Absolutely.

00:35:54.000 First of all, I love the work you're doing with my friend Viva Frye.

00:35:59.000 And here is my question, Robert.

00:36:01.000 This seems to me ought to be all about timing.

00:36:04.000 In other words, even a federal indictment that hasn't gone to trial would not present Donald Trump or prevent Donald Trump from being the Republican nominee and running a campaign for president.

00:36:16.000 What do you think is the likely timing of a New York trial, a potential Georgia trial?

00:36:22.000 Is there any way these, if there are federal charges, which I'm assuming there will be, trumped up, pardon the expression, federal charges, could any of this possibly all get to trial before the 2024 election?

00:36:37.000 It would depend on the judge.

00:36:39.000 If the judge in New York does it by the book, then this is a case that could easily not get to trial until after the election.

00:36:48.000 If, on the other hand, it's a politically motivated judge in New York, then you may see them try to rush the trial to take place long before the 2024 election.

00:36:59.000 But you're going to have lots of motions to dismiss, motions on discovery, motions for misconduct.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, you're gonna have an unusual number of pre-trial motions in the proceedings.

00:37:09.000 New York is not known for the speed of their cases progressing through, so I could easily see this case being, you know, end up being in the, during or after.

00:37:19.000 The election in terms of the trial.

00:37:21.000 But if the prosecutor and the court are kind of working hand and foot together, then you may see this case.

00:37:28.000 The quickest I could see it going to trial is six months.

00:37:33.000 That'd be the quickest.

00:37:34.000 Normally it'd be 18 months.

00:37:36.000 So the timing of this appears to be designed to try to have the trial take place during the primaries.

00:37:45.000 One who's been subjected to an unconstitutional gag order while facing charges.

00:37:52.000 How troubled are you by the drumbeat in the media that the judge here may gag Trump?

00:37:58.000 And what would be his recourse if that were to be the case?

00:38:02.000 I mean, obviously he could appeal the gag within the state courts, but if he lost at the state level,

00:38:09.000 does he not have a federally constitutional right to free speech and could he appeal that

00:38:16.000 maybe to the federal courts?

00:38:18.000 Yes, so if the judge tries to issue any kind of gag order, any kind of prior restraint,

00:38:26.000 it will be clearly unconstitutional and outside the bail authority.

00:38:30.000 We'll find out quickly what this judge is made of because issues about bail, issues about how the appearance is handled.

00:38:37.000 There's ways to handle the appearance so that Trump never goes through.

00:38:39.000 You can do a booking without going into the jail at all.

00:38:42.000 Do we even know who this judge is yet?

00:38:45.000 We do not.

00:38:46.000 We do not know which judge has been assigned to this case.

00:38:49.000 And sometimes there's one judge assigned for the bail hearing and a different judge for the actual trial in New York.

00:38:55.000 So they can rotate that depending on how it works.

00:38:58.000 I represented Amy Cooper, so-called Central Park Karen, in a New York case recently.

00:39:04.000 And there, if they do it by the book, they can do it without creating undue problems for the president.

00:39:10.000 If they don't do it by the book, Then they will be exposing how politically corrupted the criminal justice process is.

00:39:17.000 But if there is any kind of ridiculous bail order or any kind of ridiculous gag order on Trump, that can be appealed all the way through the New York court system, but also to the United States Supreme Court.

00:39:29.000 And I think this is somewhere where the US Supreme Court would get involved and prevent this from becoming a complete kangaroo court.

00:39:37.000 Because you can't prevent, you can't use bogus criminal proceedings to prevent someone from being a candidate for office.

00:39:44.000 Sure, what about this issue?

00:39:45.000 Is it correct that in almost all cases, a president can only give people pardons for federal crimes?

00:39:56.000 So if he's convicted right before the election, could he give himself a pardon in state cases?

00:40:03.000 No he could not.

00:40:05.000 That's where this is going to create a constitutional crisis.

00:40:09.000 If state prosecutors are now going to weaponize their offices to go after the President of the United States or other federal office holders, this creates a major problem because all of a sudden any local DA can take out the President of the United States.

00:40:27.000 It's a problem the court skipped over.

00:40:29.000 They should have dealt with it in Nixon in better ways than they did.

00:40:33.000 They should have dealt with it in Clinton in a better way than they did.

00:40:36.000 They skipped it in both cases because of the politics of those cases.

00:40:50.000 Makes Trump becoming more popular, already has.

00:40:52.000 I go back to false flags, staging violence.

00:40:54.000 That's why we need to be out against violence now.

00:40:56.000 Do you have any other ways you think they can try to turn this around or in their calculus why they thought it was okay to do this?

00:41:03.000 Well, in many ways, it's still part of the information war.

00:41:05.000 Look, they knew in two impeachments that they would never get enough votes in the U.S.

00:41:11.000 Senate to convict Trump.

00:41:13.000 But they used the impeachments as a jumping off point to destroy or try to destroy his reputation and his political standing.

00:41:22.000 A lot of this is designed at that.

00:41:25.000 The real jury is the one that votes in November of 2024.

00:41:28.000 And that is what they are desperately afraid of.

00:41:32.000 So, it is why these legal questions and the timing are so crucial to how this unfolds.

00:41:40.000 Last point, and that is, reporters keep trying to get me to say that when I talk to the President, he's frantic, he's hysterical, he's angry, he's out of control.

00:41:49.000 All those things are false, Alex.

00:41:51.000 He is cool as a cucumber.

00:41:54.000 He is resolved.

00:41:56.000 He's feisty, his sense of humor is intact, and he's completely determined to fight.

00:42:04.000 He loves to fight.

00:42:05.000 He's got ice water in his veins.

00:42:07.000 Stonezone.com.

00:42:08.000 Roger, thank you.

00:42:09.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:42:10.000 God bless you.

00:42:11.000 Barnes, we're going to break in a minute and a half, but what are you going to be covering coming up?

00:42:14.000 You'll be riding the shotgun with Dershowitz.

00:42:17.000 One minute on what's most important right now.

00:42:20.000 This is unprecedented and unparalleled territory, so uncharted territory.

00:42:24.000 We are a place where the left is willing to use any power it has to derail constitutional democracy and the rule of law in America.

00:42:35.000 And so, I mean, what we're facing, I mean, we've never had a situation where a former president has been indicted.

00:42:42.000 We've never had a situation where the leading opponent of the incumbent administration has been indicted.

00:42:48.000 This has never happened before.

00:42:50.000 So this is completely unprecedented.

00:42:52.000 And it probably is a bit of a weakness in our constitutional system that this wasn't addressed or resolved sooner.

00:42:59.000 But I think this is, just as Trump exposed the corruption of the FBI, exposed the degree of power of the deep state, exposed the nature of the George Soros and Bill Gates globalist operations, just by his presence triggering their opposition publicly and exposing themselves to the public, Trump is now exposing how dangerously politically weaponized our criminal and civil justice systems really have become.

00:43:24.000 Perfectly said.

00:43:25.000 That is the best summation of all the shows and all the information I've seen.

00:43:29.000 Robert Barnes riding shotgun with us.

00:43:32.000 And then after I leave, he'll be co-hosting Robert Barnes.

00:43:36.000 Google his name, you'll find his popular podcast.

00:43:39.000 We'll be right back in hour number two with Robert Barnes, myself, Alex Jones, Alan Dershowitz, and more.

00:43:44.000 Stay with us.

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00:44:16.000 I am not seriously planning to run for president.

00:44:19.000 This is an idea the crew had to have a triggering shirt, kind of next level.

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00:44:40.000 That's a bridge too far.

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00:44:55.000 And I said on national television that he was going to win.

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00:45:00.000 He's got the new book out, Get Trump, the Threat to Civil Liberties, Due Process, our

00:45:04.000 constitutional rule of law.

00:45:05.000 Alan Dershowitz, number one New York Times bestselling author.

00:45:08.000 I don't need to introduce him.

00:45:09.000 Everybody knows who he is.

00:45:10.000 Perfect timing that he was going to be coming on soon about this book.

00:45:13.000 I've been wanting to get him.

00:45:14.000 And then he's here today while this is happening.

00:45:17.000 Robert Barnes is riding shotgun with us as well.

00:45:19.000 He'll have some questions.

00:45:21.000 So, Alan, thank you so much for coming on.

00:45:23.000 Everybody wants to hear what you have to say.

00:45:25.000 You've been warning about this for a long time.

00:45:26.000 So I'm going to try to give you the floor here, sir.

00:45:30.000 Well, I predicted this in my book, Get Trump.

00:45:32.000 I knew that these district attorneys and attorney generals campaigned on the pledge to get Trump.

00:45:39.000 These are Democratic district attorneys and attorneys general, and now they are prosecuting.

00:45:45.000 Forget about the fact that he's the first former president to be prosecuted.

00:45:49.000 He's the first presidential candidate to be prosecuted, and he's running against The head Democrat in the world, obviously, President Joe Biden.

00:45:59.000 And when a popularly elected Democratic DA who swore to get Trump is going after the man running against, essentially, his boss, the Chief Democrat, he better have a slam-dunk, ironclad case.

00:46:13.000 And I have to tell you, I haven't seen the indictment yet, but based on what I've seen, this may be the weakest case I've seen in my 60 years of practicing Law.

00:46:22.000 So this is a great danger to American democracy and the rule of law.

00:46:28.000 And I hope that Americans and people all over the world will read my book at Trump as a way of saying to Bragg, we're holding you accountable.

00:46:38.000 You may not be held accountable in New York, where everybody votes against Trump, but we're going to hold you accountable around the country, in front of bar associations, and in front of the court of public opinion, because what you've done It endangers the rule of law.

00:46:53.000 You know, today it's a Republican Trump.

00:46:54.000 Tomorrow it could be a Democrat.

00:46:56.000 Day after tomorrow, it's your Uncle Charlie and your niece.

00:47:00.000 And this involves all Americans.

00:47:02.000 I'm a liberal Democrat.

00:47:03.000 I voted against Trump twice.

00:47:05.000 I have no idea who I'll vote for this next time, but it has nothing to do with politics.

00:47:10.000 It has everything to do with the fact that the Constitution requires a presumption of innocence.

00:47:16.000 It doesn't allow targeting of people.

00:47:18.000 And it, you know, Nancy Pelosi announced today that, no, Trump has to prove himself innocent.

00:47:25.000 No, no, no, not in America.

00:47:27.000 In America, an indictment doesn't mean anything.

00:47:29.000 It's just a piece of paper charging somebody with a president with something.

00:47:34.000 But and I think every American has to be very concerned about what happened yesterday.

00:47:43.000 Well, I'm not a top legal scholar like you, but studying history, this has never been done before for a reason.

00:47:49.000 Why has no political party in our 240 plus year history ever done this?

00:47:54.000 Why is this such a constitutional crisis as basically every analyst is saying?

00:48:00.000 And as we know, there was a thought perhaps to go after a former president named Richard Nixon.

00:48:06.000 And President Ford did the right thing.

00:48:08.000 And he said, no, we don't do that in America.

00:48:11.000 And he endangered his own presidential reelection by pardoning Trump, which was the right thing to do.

00:48:17.000 I had dinner with President Ford some years after that.

00:48:21.000 And he said that was the most important and principled thing he did during his presidency, preventing a Precedent being established that you go after former presidents criminally, even though there was very strong evidence that he had obstructed justice and paid bribes.

00:48:38.000 Here, there's nothing!

00:48:40.000 Here, there's nothing!

00:48:40.000 Here, there's a non-disclosure agreement.

00:48:42.000 Thousands of them are written every year.

00:48:44.000 Nobody in history has ever then put on this corporate form, oh, the reason I paid $130,000 was to make sure my wife and family doesn't learn about the fact that I was accused of having an adulterous affair with a porn star.

00:48:58.000 Why would anybody ever pay for a non-disclosure agreement and then disclose it?

00:49:02.000 So never in history has anybody been indicted for that kind of Mickey Mouse crime, and then they stitch it together with a federal felony to try to make it a felony.

00:49:11.000 That's not the way criminal justice should operate.

00:49:13.000 You know, Thomas Jefferson once said that for a criminal statute to be constitutional, it has to be so clear that a person who is reading it while running, while running, I could understand it clearly.

00:49:26.000 Now, I'm going to read this indictment while sitting with 60 years of experience, and I can bet you that I will not understand how they could make a state felony out of a fake misdemeanor and a fake federal felony that nobody else previously wanted to prosecute.

00:49:43.000 Mr. Jarvis, what's taking off your prestigious legal hat and putting on just an American citizen, you know, a historian hat?

00:49:51.000 Why is the corrupt deep state bureaucracy doing a crazy Hail Mary like this?

00:49:57.000 I mean, it'd be something if they had something to go after a former president, it'd still be unprecedented and explosive, but to do something with basically an unloaded gun, to threaten the world with banana republic status and not even have the goods, what do you think, just as an American, with your gravitas, why they're this desperate or why they're doing this?

00:50:16.000 Well, first of all, I don't think you can say they.

00:50:18.000 This was a decision made by one person, obviously, the elected district attorney, and he knows he can win this case in New York.

00:50:25.000 Do you remember what happened to me on Martha's Vineyard?

00:50:28.000 I defended President Trump in front of the United States Senate on constitutional grounds, and I lost all my friends on the vineyard.

00:50:34.000 My wife lost her friends.

00:50:36.000 My children lost their friends.

00:50:38.000 Everybody turned against us because I had exercised my and his constitutional right to defend themselves.

00:50:45.000 If you just multiply that tenfold, that's what would happen to a judge in New York or a juror in New York who acquitted, who applied justice, actual justice to Donald Trump.

00:50:56.000 He would never, ever again be part of New York life.

00:51:01.000 He'd be ostracized.

00:51:02.000 So he's doing it because he's in his own delusional bubbles, what you're saying?

00:51:07.000 Because he knows he can win.

00:51:08.000 No, he can win in New York.

00:51:10.000 That's why the first thing that his lawyers have to do, Trump's lawyers have to do, is move the case out of New York.

00:51:15.000 Move to Staten Island, which is just across the river, but the voting demographics are very different.

00:51:21.000 Move it to upstate New York.

00:51:22.000 He cannot get a fair trial in New York City, and that's why Bragg went after him.

00:51:27.000 Bragg doesn't want to lose this case.

00:51:28.000 He doesn't care if it's reversed on appeal, he'll blame it on the judges.

00:51:31.000 But he doesn't want to lose it in front of a jury, and he probably won't lose it in front

00:51:34.000 of a jury.

00:51:35.000 As they say in New York, a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, but in New York when

00:51:40.000 the name of the ham sandwich is Donald Trump, a petty jury will convict him as well.

00:51:45.000 And even though he has very good lawyers, I think the likelihood that lawyers can persuade

00:51:50.000 New York jurists to allow Donald Trump to walk away free and run for president and be

00:51:55.000 re-elected is very unlikely.

00:51:58.000 So you're saying job number one is to move him out of New York City?

00:52:01.000 That's step number one is out of New York City.

00:52:03.000 Step number two is to apply the statute of limitations.

00:52:07.000 This all happened seven years ago.

00:52:09.000 And, you know, they say, well, we couldn't have indicted him over the last seven years.

00:52:12.000 A, we didn't know where he was.

00:52:14.000 He was in the White House.

00:52:15.000 And number two, you can't indict him if he's not in New York.

00:52:19.000 Well, when do you think they indicted him?

00:52:21.000 They indicted him when he was in Florida.

00:52:23.000 So the fact that they indicted him when he was outside of New York means they could have indicted him any day during the seven previous years.

00:52:30.000 They didn't do it.

00:52:31.000 And I think they blew the statute of limitations.

00:52:33.000 Now, they will argue that, no, because he was out of New York, the statute provides that the statute of limitations holds.

00:52:42.000 But it's a nonsense argument in light of the fact that they did indict him while he was outside of New York, something they could have done for years.

00:52:50.000 The reason they didn't indict him over the last seven years, previous prosecutors looked at the case and said, there's nothing to it.

00:52:56.000 We're not going to indict him.

00:52:57.000 Those who are Legitimate neutral prosecutors, and then you get a partisan political guy, and he says, no, no, no.

00:53:05.000 The first two years I said I didn't think there was a case.

00:53:08.000 In fact, two of his assistants quit over that.

00:53:10.000 But I don't know.

00:53:11.000 Did he get calls from George Soros, from other contributors?

00:53:14.000 I don't know the answer to that.

00:53:16.000 But he obviously had pressure put on him.

00:53:17.000 Did he get blackmailed?

00:53:20.000 Well, I don't know anything about that.

00:53:21.000 I don't know what he'd be blackmailed for.

00:53:23.000 He seems like an honorable and decent man and a good lawyer and he had a good reputation.

00:53:27.000 But, you know, when you're caught up in the political winds and you're in New York City where nobody has anything good to say about Donald Trump, I don't mean nobody, but people, voters, don't.

00:53:39.000 If you wear a MAGA hat in New York City, you know, you're going to get hit by a bike or you're going to get you know, attacked and physically attacked.

00:53:47.000 Sure, Alan, stay right there.

00:53:49.000 We got to go to break the book, get Trump available everywhere, Skyhorse Publishing.

00:53:52.000 We're going to come back.

00:53:53.000 But I think you misunderstood me.

00:53:55.000 I was getting to your point earlier of they can try this in New York, the court of public

00:53:58.000 opinions against them.

00:54:00.000 I was asking in general, I understand the pressure in New York, why they're not thinking

00:54:04.000 outside of just Manhattan that you brought up when you first came on.

00:54:08.000 I mean, the fact that this is going to make Trump explode in popularity, then I guess

00:54:12.000 we're just guessing at why they would do something so reckless.

00:54:15.000 Alan Dershowitz, our guest, riding shotgun is Robert Barnes.

00:54:18.000 I'm Alex Jones.

00:54:19.000 Tell everybody, you know, tune in now.

00:54:21.000 This is historic.

00:54:22.000 This is important.

00:54:29.000 I mean he's the man who has lied to his lawyers, lied to the federal authorities,

00:54:50.000 like the state authorities.

00:54:51.000 And I'll tell you a recent interesting vignette involving me.

00:54:55.000 So his lawyers have now said, oh yeah, he was a liar in the past, he lied to everybody, but suddenly God has come down to him, lightning has struck, and he's suddenly turned into a complete truth teller.

00:55:04.000 Well, two days ago, he did a tweet about me, which constituted a defamatory lie.

00:55:10.000 He suggested that I was on Jeffrey Epstein's island with underage girls.

00:55:15.000 Obviously, that never happened.

00:55:17.000 Well, you're not on the flight logs and no one has ever said they saw you other than one person.

00:55:23.000 Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:55:25.000 Start over.

00:55:25.000 You're going to sue Michael Cohen.

00:55:27.000 Well, you're not on the flight logs and no one has ever said they saw you other than

00:55:27.000 That's big news.

00:55:31.000 one person that read it.

00:55:33.000 But Michael Cohen decided to lie about me and I'm going to sue him.

00:55:37.000 And so this will be something that can be used in cross-examining.

00:55:40.000 Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:55:41.000 Start over.

00:55:42.000 You're going to sue Michael Cohen.

00:55:43.000 That's big news.

00:55:44.000 Please tell us.

00:55:45.000 For defamation.

00:55:46.000 And then the question that if he takes the witness stand, he'll be asked, you say you

00:55:50.000 started telling the truth, but you just lied about Alan Dershowitz.

00:55:54.000 You know he wasn't on Epstein's Island.

00:55:56.000 You know he's never had sex with an underage girl.

00:55:58.000 You just got mad at him because he called you a liar.

00:56:01.000 So you made up a story about him.

00:56:03.000 So you're still lying, right?

00:56:04.000 How is he going to get around that?

00:56:20.000 So you heard my point earlier, but I don't want to belabor that.

00:56:23.000 All I'm getting at is we're seeing a massive backlash, and we know the Feds, going to your point, did not indict Trump on these same, as you say, non-issue Mickey Mouse garbage.

00:56:35.000 So I guess I'm trying to just read minds here, but I just don't see how such an obviously explosive decision was made for the first time in U.S.

00:56:44.000 And I think we can probably chalk it up just to the bubble that he's in in New York City.

00:56:44.000 history.

00:56:51.000 How do you see this as a citizen unfolding?

00:56:53.000 And I'd like you to get into all the other facets you'd like to, Mr. Dershowitz.

00:56:57.000 Well, I don't think it's necessarily just a bubble.

00:57:00.000 I think he wants to be re-elected.

00:57:02.000 He made a promise.

00:57:03.000 He promised he would get Trump.

00:57:05.000 And if he doesn't get Trump, he loses his re-election.

00:57:09.000 He has gotten contributions.

00:57:10.000 We know, reportedly, he got a half a million dollars from George Soros.

00:57:14.000 And whether he got a call from Soros or just anticipated that Soros might cut back On his contributions, if he doesn't do it, this can't be based on objective legal standards.

00:57:26.000 Nobody else would ever be indicted for these kinds of absurd non-crime.

00:57:31.000 So, plainly, he succumbed to pressure.

00:57:34.000 He was pressured by his two former assistant district attorneys, one of whom wrote a book, saying that they ought to go after Trump.

00:57:43.000 But he resisted that pressure initially, and then he succumbed to it.

00:57:48.000 I don't know whether he got pressured from other people as well, but this is not a righteous, objective, neutral application of the law and the facts.

00:57:59.000 This is something very different.

00:58:01.000 Keep an open mind until you see the indictment.

00:58:03.000 Remember, the indictment hasn't been leaked.

00:58:06.000 The fact of the indictment has been leaked, and by the way, The District Attorney Bragg should be investigating who leaked it.

00:58:13.000 It's in his building.

00:58:15.000 It's under his nose.

00:58:16.000 It's in his watch.

00:58:18.000 And is he investigating who made the leak?

00:58:20.000 A leak in New York by grand jurors or by members of Bragg's staff constitutes a class E felony subject to a year to five years in prison.

00:58:29.000 So I think it's important to know whether Bragg is in fact investigating this leak.

00:58:35.000 Wow.

00:58:35.000 Again, you're the legal scholar.

00:58:37.000 I'd like you to go wherever you want here, but just briefly bringing in Barnes here.

00:58:41.000 He'll be interviewing and coming up in the next few segments.

00:58:43.000 Robert, you got Alan Dershowitz here with the case of the, not the century, this is the case.

00:58:49.000 I mean, in U.S.

00:58:50.000 history, everybody's admitting it.

00:58:52.000 What should I be asking Dershowitz?

00:58:53.000 I'm glad you're here.

00:58:56.000 Yeah, Professor.

00:58:57.000 Can you describe for people, I know the courts have sadly not meaningfully enforced it in my view, but that there is a limit on prosecutorial discretion in the Constitution, colloquially known as selective prosecution, under the First Amendment, enforceable through the Fourteenth Amendment against the states.

00:59:15.000 Do you think President Trump has a grounds to bring a motion to dismiss for selective prosecution and can you explain to folks out there what that is and what that entails and that our Constitution does in fact have limits on this kind of excess of prosecutorial discretion?

00:59:31.000 Oh, there's no question that there are constitutional limits.

00:59:34.000 Selective prosecution is a hard case to make.

00:59:36.000 This one is so obvious that any court should see through it.

00:59:41.000 Nobody has ever been prosecuted or will ever be prosecuted in the future for doing anything like this.

00:59:47.000 If the indictment is what we think it is, we're not absolutely positive.

00:59:51.000 So we have to wait and see.

00:59:53.000 There are also other limitations, ethical limitations.

00:59:56.000 For example, A prosecutor can't put a witness on the stand who he knows or reasonably suspects may be lying.

01:00:04.000 And Michael Cohen, my God, is there... If the word liar appears in the dictionary, Michael Cohen's picture is...

01:00:14.000 I mean, he's the man who has lied to his lawyers, lied to the federal authorities, lied to state authorities, and I'll tell you a recent interesting vignette involving me.

01:00:22.000 So his lawyers have now said, oh yeah, he was a liar in the past, he lied to everybody, but suddenly God has come down to him, lightning has struck, and he's suddenly turned into a complete truth teller.

01:00:31.000 Well, two days ago he did a tweet about me, which constituted a defamatory lie.

01:00:38.000 He suggested that I was on Jeffrey Epstein's island with underage girls, obviously that Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt.

01:00:45.000 You're going to sue Michael Cohen.

01:00:45.000 Start over.

01:00:47.000 That's big news.

01:00:47.000 basically said she may have mistaken me for somebody else.

01:00:50.000 Nobody has ever accused me, even she never accused me of being on Epstein's

01:00:55.000 Hour. Well you're not on the flight logs and no one has ever said they saw you

01:00:58.000 other than one person that read it. But Michael Cohen decided to lie about me and I'm

01:01:03.000 gonna sue him and so this will be something that can be used in cross

01:01:07.000 examining. Oh I'm sorry to interrupt, start over, you're gonna sue Michael Cohen.

01:01:10.000 That's big news, please tell us. For defamation and then the question that if

01:01:15.000 witness stand he'll be asked you say you started telling the truth but you just lied about Alan Dershowitz

01:01:15.000 he takes the witness stand, he'll be asked, you say you started telling the

01:01:18.000 truth but you just lied about Alan Dershowitz. You know he wasn't on

01:01:21.000 you know he wasn't on Epstein's Island you know he's never had sex with an underage girl

01:01:22.000 Epstein's Hour, you know he's never had sex with an underage girl, you just got

01:01:25.000 you just got mad at him because he called you a liar so you made up a story about him so

01:01:26.000 mad at him because he called you a liar. So you made up a story about him, so

01:01:30.000 you're still lying right how is he going to get around that so I don't think that Bragg can really

01:01:30.000 you're still lying, right? How is he gonna get around that?

01:01:33.000 So I don't think that Bragg can really put Michael Cohen on the witness stand. If

01:01:35.000 put Michael Cohen on the witness stand if he does he really subjects his bar card to some kind of

01:01:42.000 a sanction lawyers have to only put witnesses on the stand who they honestly believe are going

01:01:49.000 to tell the truth that's part of the sacred obligation of a lawyer something I've complied with

01:01:55.000 for 60 years sometimes my clients don't like it when I say no I'm not putting you on the

01:02:00.000 witness stand I cannot credibly believe that you're necessarily going to tell the whole truth and

01:02:05.000 so Bragg has to be applying an even I understand that as a prosecutor.

01:02:10.000 So he has really two alternatives.

01:02:12.000 One, he can risk his bar card by putting Cohen on the witness stand, which would be a mistake.

01:02:18.000 Or he can try to make the case around Cohen.

01:02:20.000 Use people other than Cohen to try to prove what Cohen would otherwise approve.

01:02:26.000 He may try to do that, but I suspect Cohen will be called as a witness, will be devastated on cross-examination, and then there'll be questions about Bragg's ethics.

01:02:38.000 Wow.

01:02:40.000 Barnes, that was a great question.

01:02:41.000 Give us another one.

01:02:43.000 Yeah, in the same capacity, you mentioned that there are limitations on a grand jury.

01:02:47.000 Even the U.S. 0.95

01:02:48.000 Supreme Court, in my view, has watered those down.

01:02:51.000 But one of them that still exists is a prosecutor cannot knowingly suborn perjury or things like that.

01:02:57.000 Do you think there's the possibility that perjured testimony may have occurred in front of this grand jury, including by Cohen?

01:03:05.000 I do think so, and I think it was also suppression of evidence.

01:03:08.000 Remember that Costello was not called as a witness.

01:03:11.000 Costello, who was Cohen's lawyer, he was not called as a witness.

01:03:15.000 Obviously, Bragg wanted to keep him from the jury.

01:03:19.000 But he volunteered and he first essentially burst into the grand jury room and said, you're going to have to listen to me.

01:03:25.000 And then he testified that the hundreds of emails that he had sent to the D.A.

01:03:29.000 to show to the grand jury were never shown to the grand jury.

01:03:32.000 So I think there'll be a motion as well for suppression.

01:03:39.000 And we'll see whether or not there's also suppression of evidence under the Brady principle that should have been turned over and should be turned over to the defense.

01:03:50.000 This is only the beginning of what will be, as you say, a very monumental case.

01:03:55.000 When I think of the cases in American history, and I've written a book about that, America on Trial, going through all the great cases in American history, this comes close to the trial of Aaron Burr.

01:04:05.000 the former vice president of the United States who was put on trial by Jefferson for treason.

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01:04:28.000 I wanted to speak more to that.

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01:04:32.000 And those trials and where he sees this going and more on that he's going to sue somebody who's the star witness against Trump.

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01:05:02.000 I'm going to hand the baton now to Robert Barnes and Alan Dershowitz.

01:05:06.000 Alan, would you like to get back to the whole Burr trial that you got cut off on?

01:05:11.000 Yeah, but I just want to mention one thing about t-shirts.

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01:05:43.000 And I asked him if he would send me a signed copy of it.

01:05:46.000 That is a great idea.

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01:05:49.000 lots of lots of fun things posted and so getting his mugshot will be

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01:05:58.000 didn't even that is now that I think of it that's that's a common sense but

01:06:02.000 that's a great idea. Getting back to Burr for a second You know, Burr, as you know, killed Hamilton at a duel, but he wasn't prosecuted for that.

01:06:11.000 He was actually sitting vice president when that happened, but he was prosecuted years later for treason.

01:06:17.000 He tried to get a verdict of not guilty.

01:06:18.000 The jury returned a verdict of not proven using the Scottish system.

01:06:23.000 He objected to that, and the judge, who was John Marshall, the great Chief Justice of the United States, said, no, no, no, you're going to have to be satisfied with the verdict of not proven.

01:06:33.000 But that trial, and then I would say some of the McCarthy trials, some of the civil rights trials, are the greatest trials in American history.

01:06:41.000 The Rosenberg trial, there are so many.

01:06:43.000 This is going to rank among them, if it ever gets to trial.

01:06:46.000 There's a strong possibility it won't get to trial.

01:06:49.000 It'll be dismissed on statute of limitations or other grounds, but You know, it might get the trial, and if it gets the trial in Manhattan, he probably will be convicted.

01:06:57.000 And then it'll have to go up to appellate courts, and appellate judges in New York are also elected, and so it may have to wait to get into the federal courts and up to the Supreme Court, but my prediction is, in the end, if the indictment is what we think it is, it will not survive.

01:07:13.000 There has been some talk, Professor, about the possibility of issuing a gag order.

01:07:18.000 I see this as misuse of bail authority, a violation of First Amendment principles.

01:07:22.000 Can you just tell people why there's constitutional limits on such a gag order, why it should not apply here, and what's the risk that the political pressure in New York leads a judge to issue that kind of gag order?

01:07:35.000 It's possible.

01:07:36.000 Gag orders like this have been issued in the past.

01:07:38.000 They are, in my view, unconstitutional.

01:07:40.000 We have to take seriously the notion that every American is presumed innocent unless and until they're found guilty by a jury.

01:07:48.000 Innocent people can't be denied their First Amendment rights.

01:07:50.000 By the way, it's not only Trump's First Amendment rights.

01:07:53.000 It's the First Amendment right of everybody to listen to what Trump has had to say, and there are millions of people out there who want to hear him say.

01:07:59.000 What he has to say.

01:08:00.000 And so I don't think it would be constitutional to impose a gag order or a travel restriction if he's running for president.

01:08:07.000 But, you know, judges have a lot of discretion and a lot of judges have made a lot of mistakes about bail conditions.

01:08:14.000 And so I hope that when a judge makes a decision, he'll think more about the Constitution than about what his friends will say about his decision.

01:08:24.000 In the context of Michael Cohen, for a witness who has, as you note, the extraordinarily poor track record that he does in making contradictory statements by his own admission, a self-confessed fraudster, by his own admission, a self-confessed liar, by obvious implication, a perjurer, if you're defending the president, How much would you make the reliability or lack thereof of Michael Cohen a key part of the trial strategy?

01:08:59.000 Oh, it's a very key part of the strategy.

01:09:01.000 When prosecutors put on witnesses that lie and that lie to the jury, juries see through that and don't like it.

01:09:09.000 Look, people credit me and others for winning the O.J.

01:09:12.000 Simpson case.

01:09:12.000 We didn't win the O.J.

01:09:13.000 Simpson case.

01:09:14.000 The prosecutors lost the O.J.

01:09:16.000 Simpson case by putting on lying witnesses, by putting on police officers who tampered with the evidence.

01:09:22.000 The jurors told us that afterward.

01:09:24.000 And so the greatest gift to Donald Trump would be Michael Cohen, the gift that keeps on giving.

01:09:32.000 And so if I'm a smart prosecutor, I don't go near Michael Cohen.

01:09:38.000 But you know, then the juries will wonder.

01:09:40.000 We're seeing the play Hamlet.

01:09:41.000 Where's the prince?

01:09:43.000 We don't see Hamlet.

01:09:45.000 He's the central character in this thing and he's not testifying.

01:09:49.000 And so they're going to have to try to explain that.

01:09:51.000 This is not going to be an easy case on the merits for Bragg.

01:09:56.000 It may be an easy case because if it's held in Manhattan, if it's held anywhere else, I think it would be a hard case for him.

01:10:04.000 Now, do you think that people have a right, of course, to an impartial jury?

01:10:08.000 As you note, that's a very difficult thing to come by in New York City if your name is President Donald John Trump.

01:10:15.000 Can you remind people, what are your constitutional rights and what would a good judge do to try to find an impartial jury in Manhattan?

01:10:26.000 Well, I think it would be an impossible task, but he'd have to give the defense enormous amount of leeway in questioning jurors.

01:10:34.000 And, you know, let's assume you could get 12 jurors who never heard of Donald Trump.

01:10:38.000 What kind of people would they be if they never heard of Donald Trump?

01:10:41.000 Or 12 people who say they have no opinion on Donald Trump.

01:10:44.000 There's one word for that.

01:10:46.000 That's liars.

01:10:47.000 A lot of potential jurors lie because they want to get on the jury.

01:10:52.000 Everybody wants to be on the jury in the most historic case in modern American history.

01:10:57.000 So you're going to get a lot of people lying about a lot of things in order to get on the jury.

01:11:01.000 I have to tell you, I think it's an impossible job to try to get a fair jury in Manhattan.

01:11:06.000 And I would hope that judges would see that.

01:11:09.000 The motion to get a change of venue is sometimes appealable if that's denied.

01:11:15.000 So it might get to a court of appeals fairly quickly and a court of appeals might send the case to a different borough or to upstate New York.

01:11:24.000 But we'll see if judges have the courage to do the right thing here.

01:11:28.000 The right thing is to get the case out of Manhattan.

01:11:32.000 And what do you think, I don't know if you saw recently the federal civil trial that's coming up in New York, where we'll get to see sort of a quick glimpse at what New York justice might look like if you're named Donald Trump.

01:11:43.000 The court has ordered an anonymous jury.

01:11:46.000 I've always been a little concerned about anonymous juries because it can create at least the impression of secret justice.

01:11:53.000 The average person doesn't get to crowdfund or crowdsource, I should say, information.

01:11:58.000 As in the Roger Stone case, we found out one of the jurors really had not been fully forthcoming.

01:12:03.000 During the process, Blaine Maxwell's case raised some issues about that as well.

01:12:07.000 What do you think about the possibility of an anonymous jury in the criminal case concerning Donald Trump?

01:12:13.000 There's no such thing.

01:12:14.000 Anonymous juries are only anonymous during the trial.

01:12:17.000 Their names then get revealed afterward, and their names get leaked.

01:12:21.000 So I don't think an anonymous jury protects.

01:12:23.000 Anonymous jury also sends a message to the jurors, you got something to be worried about.

01:12:28.000 And it reaffirms the notion that if people knew you were on the jury, they might take it out on you either physically or psychologically, emotionally, or in friendship ways.

01:12:41.000 I don't think an anonymous jury provides much protection.

01:12:45.000 It may provide a little bit of protection.

01:12:47.000 They also may try to get a sequestered jury.

01:12:49.000 But in this case, everybody already knows everything.

01:12:52.000 So sequestering them during the trial won't really provide the kind of fairness that is required to have a fair trial.

01:13:01.000 I just don't think it's possible to have a fair trial.

01:13:04.000 People are going to Render verdicts and judgments based on their voting patterns.

01:13:09.000 If they want to see Trump be president, if they don't want to see Trump be president, if they like his presidency in the past and they don't like it, that's not the basis for which justice is supposed to be done.

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01:14:38.000 A rare someone that I would like to emulate over my legal career if I get the good fortune to do so.

01:14:44.000 Professor Dershowitz, what about the timing?

01:14:47.000 In other words, the public has a right to a speedy trial, Trump has a right to a speedy trial, but it may not be in the interest of justice to have a too speedy trial in this case.

01:14:57.000 What do you think the timing is if the case actually ultimately proceeds to a jury trial, if it gets passed, motions to dismiss, and things of that nature?

01:15:07.000 What do you think the timing will be of an actual jury trial in this case?

01:15:12.000 Hard to believe that there could be a jury trial in this case in this calendar year.

01:15:16.000 I would think that will occur during the election year, which will make things even more difficult.

01:15:23.000 But the timing was up to Bragg.

01:15:25.000 I think I think the speedy trial and statute of limitations issues have already expired.

01:15:31.000 I mean, these events occurred seven years ago.

01:15:34.000 Can he get a fair trial based on the passage of time?

01:15:37.000 And don't statutes of limitations have to be enforced fairly?

01:15:42.000 But I do think that with motions, with possible appeals that could be made of motions, that we're probably thinking about 2024.

01:15:54.000 In terms of the issues concerning the political weaponization and selective prosecution, Does this potentially open the door to Republican prosecutors in, say, some small county somewhere in the country, deciding, well, we'll indict Hillary Clinton now. 0.76

01:16:11.000 We'll indict, you know, we'll find something to indict Barack Obama on.

01:16:15.000 We'll indict Hunter Biden.

01:16:17.000 We'll indict Joe Biden.

01:16:19.000 What is the risk of that, that that door has now been opened by this prosecution?

01:16:24.000 Oh, I think the risk is considerable.

01:16:25.000 In America, we have seen over and over again, tit-for-tat politics.

01:16:32.000 Anything the Democrats do, the Republicans do, and vice versa.

01:16:36.000 And I do think that we will see more political charges and we'll see the bar reduced.

01:16:45.000 It used to be the case that you understand that if a person is running for office, you must have a very high bar to prosecute.

01:16:53.000 It has to be a clear case.

01:16:55.000 This, if the indictment is what we think it is, will have violated that rule and lowered the bar.

01:17:01.000 And that lowering of the bar will apply to Republicans, to Democrats, and for everybody.

01:17:08.000 And this is a case that endangers all of our freedoms.

01:17:11.000 If you can bring a criminal case on the basis of this kind of flimsy evidence and law, that means nobody is safe.

01:17:18.000 Justice Jackson once said, excuse me, that any prosecutor can rummage through the statute I'd find something to pin on somebody, and that's not the way American law should apply, and that rule, too, has been violated by yesterday's actions.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, it very much feels like a Berea prosecution.

01:17:38.000 Show me the man and I'll find you the crime.

01:17:40.000 One thing that's always struck out, you know, stood out to me throughout this process is you identify in your book, Get Trump, and have talked about being problematic from the get go is usually sometimes when you have a high profile political person saying they're going to go after somebody, it's for something that's already happened in a clear criminal context.

01:17:59.000 Like, oh, I'm going to go prosecute Enron or I'm going to go prosecute the white collar or whatever. 0.63

01:18:04.000 Rare do you see, I'm gonna go prosecute that guy.

01:18:06.000 I'm not sure on what yet, but I'm just gonna go get that guy.

01:18:09.000 You know the old famous Berea statement that Stalin, show me the man and I'll find you the crime. 0.94

01:18:15.000 To some degree, to what degree does this raise issues of due process?

01:18:19.000 That if we see the indictment and we see laws being applied in ways that could not have been really on fair notice of most people, as you pointed out very articulately at the beginning, non-disclosure agreements are done all the time.

01:18:30.000 Nobody puts them in their public disclosure later or their internal documents.

01:18:33.000 Oh, by the way, here's my hush money payment.

01:18:36.000 I mean, it defeats the whole purpose of a non-disclosure agreement.

01:18:38.000 Now, all of a sudden, all those people could be criminally prosecuted all across America How much is there an issue of fair notice and due process that might come up in these proceedings as well?

01:18:48.000 There's no question there is an issue of fair notice.

01:18:51.000 There is an issue of what the law calls lenity when you have ambiguous statutes.

01:18:55.000 They have to be resolved in favor of the defendant.

01:18:59.000 It all goes into the concept of targeting, of get Trump, Of due process violations of selective prosecution.

01:19:08.000 All of these will be raised.

01:19:10.000 Some of them are harder than others to get a judicial relief on them, but they are all part of also the court of public opinion.

01:19:19.000 For example, the government's going to argue the statute of limitations didn't get told because he was out of the state.

01:19:26.000 Meaning you couldn't indict him if he was in Washington, D.C., but they indicted him when he was out of the state.

01:19:31.000 So that gives the lie to the notion that they couldn't have indicted him any day over the past seven years.

01:19:37.000 And statute of limitations of misdemeanors, two years, felony, five years.

01:19:41.000 Those are long expired.

01:19:43.000 Why didn't they indict him while he was outside of the state or

01:19:46.000 even while he was in the state, which he came to from time to time?

01:19:51.000 And the reason is obvious, prosecutors looked at the case and

01:19:53.000 they said there's nothing here.

01:19:55.000 And so they didn't indict him and now they decided to change that seven years later.

01:19:59.000 That should not survive a statute of limitations scrutiny, but it might.

01:20:04.000 Because the New York Court of Appeals had a weird, weird decision about how you count the days being out of

01:20:09.000 the state.

01:20:10.000 But I don't think that's consistent with what the statute of limitations,

01:20:14.000 which was enacted by the legislature, had in mind.

01:20:16.000 And can you explain for folks that the statute of limitations isn't just like

01:20:21.000 some little procedural aspects?

01:20:23.000 Sometimes we hear, you know, technicalities and people use that excuse for how criminal defendants escape as they view justice.

01:20:30.000 In fact, these are constitutional rights and liberties meant to impose fair notice is a critical component of what statute of limitations is all about.

01:20:38.000 and that the rule of lenity, as you mentioned, is about protecting against the AU defendant

01:20:43.000 being wrongfully prosecuted in a way they couldn't fairly anticipate and how we interpret the laws.

01:20:47.000 Could you remind folks that, you know, what other people call technicalities are the core

01:20:52.000 to constitutional liberty in America? Well, my life has been a life of trying to impose what

01:20:58.000 other people think are technicalities and I think are the essence of what makes America the greatest

01:21:03.000 democracy in the world, that we have rules of law and those rules of law have to be enforced fairly

01:21:10.000 Statutes of limitations are part of them.

01:21:12.000 Look, we're seeing a challenge to statute of limitations.

01:21:14.000 The Me Too movement got many states to eliminate statutes of limitations for rape and other sexual crimes, and that has created major problems because Memories disappear, witnesses disappear, and statutes and limitations have to be taken seriously.

01:21:31.000 And I don't think any crime, other than perhaps murder, should be prosecuted beyond a certain period of time, five years, something like that.

01:21:42.000 But they certainly shouldn't be extended after the statute of limitations has expired.

01:21:47.000 The Supreme Court has said that would be unconstitutional.

01:21:49.000 So there is a constitutional dimension to statute of limitations.

01:21:56.000 Have you been surprised, I've been surprised to some degree that many of my friends on the left, particular but not limited to it, within the legal world have, in my view, abandoned a lot of their principles either because of political pressure or because of just like Trump derangement syndrome and the rest.

01:22:13.000 Have you been surprised at seeing that and are you, while you predicted it and get Trump and forecast this is where the world was going, are you still surprised that we're actually here, we're to this point?

01:22:25.000 I am.

01:22:26.000 I'm disappointed.

01:22:28.000 In my previous book, The Price of Principle, I talked about how so many civil libertarians, people like my former colleague Lawrence Stroud and the ACLU, are prepared to give up on the Constitution in order to get Trump.

01:22:43.000 And I've had people say that to me.

01:22:45.000 We're prepared to do anything, distort any constitutional provision, ignore any rule of law, if we can get Trump.

01:22:53.000 And that's why the subtitle for my book at Trump is the threat to civil liberties due process and our constitutional rule of law.

01:23:01.000 It's not only a threat to Trump.

01:23:03.000 It's not only a threat to people who get indicted.

01:23:05.000 It's a threat to have the rule of law subordinated to the preference of politics.

01:23:11.000 And I think we're seeing more and more and more of that.

01:23:14.000 There's less respect for the Constitution.

01:23:16.000 And people on the hard left, particularly in the woke movement, have said over and over again, we don't care about freedom of speech.

01:23:23.000 We don't care about due process.

01:23:24.000 We know the truth.

01:23:25.000 We know if you're a man who's been accused by a woman, you have to be guilty. 0.98

01:23:28.000 What do you need a trial for?

01:23:29.000 What do you need due process?

01:23:31.000 We know if you're somebody who makes statements that are sexist or racist, there's no room for that under our First Amendment.

01:23:38.000 We don't need to hear your point of view.

01:23:40.000 That's what happened in Stanford.

01:23:42.000 When a group of people from the National Lawyers Guild organized an attempt to try to shut down and silence a federal judge whose views they disagreed with.

01:23:50.000 The National Lawyers Guild is going to do that all over the country at a hundred law schools where they have organizations.

01:23:57.000 And so we have to fight back for every one of our amendments.

01:24:01.000 Look, if I were writing the Bill of Rights, I might not put the Second Amendment in, certainly not in the ambiguous terms that is there today, but it's there.

01:24:10.000 And we have to fight to preserve it, just like we have to fight to preserve the Fifth Amendment and the First Amendment.

01:24:15.000 That's the basis of our democracy.

01:24:19.000 The Bill of Rights is a constraint on majority rule, and we have to keep that viable, and we're not doing that.

01:24:26.000 We're allowing partisan political preferences to prevail over the Constitution.

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01:25:46.000 All right.

01:25:47.000 It's wild card Friday on the Alex Jones Show.

01:25:50.000 You've had Alex Jones, you've had Roger Stone, you've had Robert Barnes, you've had Alan Dershowitz, and now Owen Schroer, and Robert Barnes, and everybody talking about the Trump indictments today.

01:26:04.000 But looking beyond Trump, as we have been here, Bob, the headline from townhall.com, the left's get Trump obsession now threatens the future of our country, and You know, this can be applied, I think, towards so many different realms, whether it's the realm of censorship, whether it's the realm of political persecution, whether it's the realm of virtue signaling to stop climate change by shutting off our energy.

01:26:32.000 When are we going to realize that all the policies That all the politics of the left are going to destroy not just the future of America, but the future of the planet.

01:26:43.000 This is just one example of what they'll do to Trump, they'll do to anybody.

01:26:47.000 And so, how do we get America to understand that the modern day left is indeed an existential threat to humanity, to civilization as we know it?

01:27:00.000 Well, we have some breaking news on that front.

01:27:02.000 It appears, according to President Trump, that we now know what judge has been assigned the case.

01:27:08.000 It appears there's been manipulation of the judicial assignment process.

01:27:12.000 And one way that works is they claim that a case is related to another case.

01:27:18.000 And it appears that the prosecutor has kind of helped manipulate the process, or the court, or both, to get Judge Marchand appointed, assigned to the case, according to President Trump.

01:27:29.000 And as President Trump notes, Judge Marchand showed a bias, a lack of impartiality, a lack of respect, in my view, for his duty and obligation to be a true neutral in a criminal case in prior cases concerning the Trump Organization.

01:27:45.000 And so it looks like they're manipulating the criminal process already in New York to get a politically biased judge assigned to the Trump case.

01:27:54.000 And the risk there is that he tries to rush the trial proceedings.

01:27:58.000 He tries to misuse bail to limit President Trump's ability to travel in support of his campaign or to raise funds for his campaign.

01:28:06.000 May even try to issue a gag order on him to try to prohibit and prevent him from speaking either about the case or about a bunch of other topics.

01:28:14.000 So you have one of the more politically problematic jurists somehow apparently assigned the case.

01:28:23.000 It doesn't appear to me to be truly random assignment.

01:28:25.000 That appears to me they probably manipulated it through something called related case rules where you pretend one case is related to another case so you can get the judge you want and the person who does that is typically the prosecutor.

01:28:38.000 They did this, by the way, against Roger Stone.

01:28:41.000 They listed the Manafort case as somehow being related in part to the Stone case, and got Stone in front of the same judge that Manafort had, and that was the judge that had been illegally restraining his ability to raise funds for his defense, illegally gagging his speech, illegally preventing his travel in the case of Paul Manafort, helped orchestrate the prosecution of Paul Manafort.

01:29:07.000 Of course, you're talking about Judge Amy Berman Jackson, which Ironically enough was the judge that said, which should be used in Trump's case with the documents, and maybe Biden's case, the judge that said if you're the President of the United States there is no such thing as classified documents, you can take whatever you want.

01:29:23.000 When Bill Clinton got caught with the documents, she was the judge that set that precedent.

01:29:27.000 Now that precedent doesn't apply to Vice Presidents, you know where I'm going with that.

01:29:31.000 But the point that you're making here is that We're talking about a rigged judicial system.

01:29:36.000 Something that's supposed to be... I mean, you could argue the backbone of our free civilization is justice.

01:29:42.000 Actual justice.

01:29:43.000 Fair and equal justice.

01:29:44.000 And now we're talking about the Democrats completely rigging the entire process of all the different levels of checks and balances.

01:29:50.000 They're rigging every single aspect of it.

01:29:53.000 I mean, they rigged it by having a New York prosecutor even involved in this case.

01:29:57.000 I mean, for example, the money was paid to someone that isn't in New York.

01:30:02.000 The issue is concerned a national campaign.

01:30:05.000 There's nothing about this that really is New York.

01:30:07.000 There's no victim in New York that they can identify.

01:30:09.000 And so why is New York prosecuting?

01:30:11.000 So everything about this case has already been rigged, and it looks like they're going to continue to try to rig it against the President.

01:30:17.000 And as you note, if our courts don't enforce the Constitution, then we don't have an enforced Constitution.

01:30:22.000 So, these are serious concerns.

01:30:25.000 Meanwhile, Stormy Daniels is going on a merchandise selling tour.

01:30:29.000 I mean, that's how clown world this has gotten.

01:30:33.000 Now if you're just joining us, we've got Robert Barnes on air with us here on the Alex Jones Show.

01:30:39.000 Some developments in the Trump indictment.

01:30:42.000 Trump says Judge Mershawn hates him and was handpicked by Alvin Bragg and Bob Barnes was breaking down this phenomenon on the other side.

01:30:50.000 Manhattan DA wanted Trump arrested today, but ex-president's team said no.

01:30:56.000 Now, I want to, we've looked at all the angles of this, but let's consider the fact that clearly they have done a lot of groundwork here.

01:31:11.000 This is not something that's been thrown together willy-nilly from the judge to trying to get him arrested tomorrow, 34 counts, and the fact that they know this is the weakest case So weak that even the Feds wouldn't take it.

01:31:27.000 I mean, statute of limitations, signed document, Stormy Daniels said she never took hush money from Trump, never slept with Trump, signed document from Michael Cohen said he was the one that paid Stormy Daniels, not Donald Trump.

01:31:37.000 Plus, it is going to be impossible to prove that he did this for a campaign issue and not to save his marriage.

01:31:46.000 I mean, the list goes on and on.

01:31:47.000 But OK, considering the political Landscape and climate that we're in right now.

01:31:53.000 I mean, do you think this is their big move to get Trump?

01:31:57.000 I mean, obviously, Bragg is not acting unilaterally here.

01:32:00.000 He did make a campaign promise to get Trump, and so he's delivered on that, as scary as that is.

01:32:05.000 But I mean, is this really their big move to get Trump?

01:32:08.000 Do you think they really think this is going to bring down Trump?

01:32:11.000 Or is this just like some pesky, loony-tuned Democrat gone rogue that isn't thinking about the larger political ramifications?

01:32:21.000 No, my view is this is the Deep State's effort to take Trump out.

01:32:24.000 And I said so a couple of months ago when this case got resuscitated.

01:32:28.000 Because it's important to note that, as Professor Dershowitz mentioned, this same prosecutor rejected this case a year ago.

01:32:35.000 So they knew they didn't have good legal grounds to pursue this case.

01:32:39.000 So why did it come back to New York?

01:32:41.000 Well, first of all, the Mar-a-Lago case blew up.

01:32:44.000 As you noted, Judge Jackson, a Democratic liberal judge, had said the President can declassify anything he wants, anytime he wants, and that can't be a violation of the law for him to have documents that he can declassify anytime he wants.

01:32:55.000 I mean, unlike President Clinton, who had his documents stored in his sock drawer, Trump actually had them in a secure S.C.I.F.

01:33:02.000 facility.

01:33:03.000 So, again, he could declassify anytime, anything, while he was president, which he himself has acknowledged he did.

01:33:11.000 So the fact they had labels on it means nothing.

01:33:13.000 That means they were once classified, not that they were still classified.

01:33:16.000 So the Mar-a-Lago case completely blew up when some white hat within the FBI disclosed that Biden had committed actual crimes while he was senator and vice president, and that Pence himself had issues, and so forth.

01:33:27.000 And so they know the Mar-a-Lago case is DOA.

01:33:29.000 They would have to likely bring that case in Florida.

01:33:32.000 They don't want to do that.

01:33:33.000 They could try to bring it in the District of Columbia, but that has its own political problems. 0.93

01:33:38.000 The January 6th cases have gone nowhere against Trump.

01:33:43.000 And so they never could get anybody to flip and come up with some bogus fake story about Trump somehow orchestrating it.

01:33:49.000 And then, in fact, we now know it was the Capitol Police and the FBI and their infiltrators and informants who are actually organizing it and orchestrating it, as has come out in the recent Proud Boys trial in D.C.

01:34:01.000 And so then they got Georgia.

01:34:04.000 Two problems with Georgia.

01:34:05.000 One, they got a complete nutjob, an actual living witch, who was the head of the grand jury, who was so loony that even Anderson Cooper said she's embarrassing.

01:34:15.000 And the other problem they have in Georgia is, of course, you know, the governor is a Republican.

01:34:19.000 So there's ways in which that case could be set aside, pardons issued, so on and so forth.

01:34:24.000 So that's why they went back to New York.

01:34:27.000 When Mar-a-Lago case blew up, They went back to New York.

01:34:30.000 There's been a quid pro quo to DeSantis that they would get DeSantis to run and challenge Trump.

01:34:37.000 But the only way he would do so is if he was convinced that Trump was going to be taken out politically by a criminal indictment.

01:34:44.000 So they had to bring forth the indictment to get DeSantis to run.

01:34:47.000 Now DeSantis has been deceived into running, but that ship has sailed.

01:34:50.000 It's not a coincidence on the day of the announcement of the indictment, DeSantis puts in proposals to the Florida legislature to allow him to run for president.

01:34:59.000 So, it literally happened right after.

01:35:02.000 So, you can tell with the timing, leaks from Politico, New York Times, and elsewhere about this being a public discussion amongst New York donors.

01:35:09.000 So, this was the deep state's effort to get DeSantis to run.

01:35:12.000 This is the deep state's effort, in their view, to take Trump out.

01:35:16.000 If you like Drudge, as we know, Matt Drudge sold Drudge Report several years ago.

01:35:21.000 The people who run Drudge now are the political establishment.

01:35:24.000 They last, yesterday, were bragging on the front page of their Drudge Report that they, on a fake poll, that said nobody would trust Trump anymore or vote for him if he got indicted.

01:35:33.000 That's completely nonsense.

01:35:34.000 We'll see otherwise.

01:35:36.000 But this is what they believe.

01:35:37.000 They believe they can get DeSantis to run by indicting Trump, and they believe they can get Trump defeated in either the primary or the general election by indicting him.

01:35:45.000 That's what they really believe.

01:35:46.000 Now, it looks like, even worse, they're going to weaponize the process.

01:35:50.000 I mean, here, as we'll discuss a little bit later, this is a case where Trump is legally innocent, factually innocent, and constitutionally innocent.

01:35:57.000 Yet they're prosecuting him anyway.

01:35:59.000 Watch for them to try to misuse and abuse all the other powers of the criminal justice process.

01:36:04.000 About how they do the entire criminal processing of Trump.

01:36:07.000 How they arrest him.

01:36:08.000 Do they put him in the jail?

01:36:10.000 Do they do a mug shot?

01:36:11.000 Do they try to perp walk him?

01:36:13.000 Secondly, do they abuse the bail authority?

01:36:15.000 Do they use the bail authority to say he can't raise funds?

01:36:18.000 Do they say he can't speak out on his own behalf?

01:36:21.000 Do they issue a gag order?

01:36:22.000 Do they issue a financial restraint order?

01:36:24.000 Do they issue a travel restraint order?

01:36:27.000 Try to prohibit him from being able to travel in support of his campaign for 2024?

01:36:33.000 Do they ban his international travel?

01:36:35.000 Do they try to limit his domestic travel?

01:36:37.000 So watch for these things.

01:36:39.000 Do they try to fast-track the trial?

01:36:41.000 Do they try to hide exculpatory evidence?

01:36:44.000 Do they try to put on perjured testimony?

01:36:46.000 If they have a judge that is their hand-picked judge, which according to President Trump, it appears that is precisely what happened.

01:36:54.000 Then what you have is a completely rigged case.

01:36:56.000 A case with a rigged prosecutor, a case of a rigged witnesses, a case of a rigged grand jury.

01:37:02.000 And then if you rig the judge, then you can rig the jury trial itself.

01:37:06.000 So look for them to weaponize everything they can because they're that terrified of Trump.

01:37:12.000 They're that terrified that if Trump gets re-elected, the American people will finally have an effort, a man committed to dismantling the deep state, who realizes his only mistake in the first term was not dismantling the deep state.

01:37:25.000 He's learned the lesson that Huey Long learned years ago, where he said, I tried to negotiate with him and now I learned that you gotta crush him.

01:37:31.000 Trump has said so publicly, said this next election, either the deep state wins and America dies, or America wins and the deep state dies.

01:37:39.000 This is the deep state's last gasp empire strikes back effort to remove President Trump from meaningful office in 2025.

01:37:50.000 And just in case anybody out there was confused, the Georgia grand jury four person was literally a witch.

01:37:58.000 It was this crazy dingbat woman. 1.00

01:37:59.000 They put her on CNN, MSNBC, and she was acting out of her mind, deranged.

01:38:05.000 And then people went out and found her social media and she literally sends out witchcraft and spells and stuff like that.

01:38:12.000 So people, in case you were wondering, what does he talk about a witch and a four woman on a jury?

01:38:18.000 Literally out of Georgia, that's what was going on.

01:38:20.000 Why would they want- It's what happens when, you know, Trump calls it a witch hunt.

01:38:24.000 It's what happens when witches are actually leading the hunt. 1.00

01:38:27.000 I mean they say that!

01:38:29.000 This is Politico's headline!

01:38:31.000 Trump seems to be the victim of a witch hunt, so what?

01:38:35.000 So what?

01:38:36.000 The left's get Trump obsession now threatens the future of the country.

01:38:36.000 Again, I go back.

01:38:39.000 They say, so what?

01:38:40.000 Hey, you guys are threatening the future of the country.

01:38:42.000 So what?

01:38:43.000 Hey, you guys are committing crime.

01:38:44.000 So what?

01:38:45.000 Hey, you guys are abusing children. 0.98

01:38:47.000 So what?

01:38:48.000 Hey, the vaccines are killing people.

01:38:49.000 So what?

01:38:50.000 Hey, the masks don't work.

01:38:51.000 So what?

01:38:52.000 Hey, the borders open.

01:38:53.000 So what?

01:38:54.000 Hey, record fentanyl deaths.

01:38:55.000 So what?

01:38:55.000 I mean, I think you get the point.

01:38:57.000 I could go on forever.

01:38:58.000 But what does it mean that Bragg wanted him arrested today?

01:39:04.000 What was he expecting?

01:39:05.000 Trump to fly up there on a jet and walk up to the courtroom to be arraigned?

01:39:10.000 Yeah, I mean my guess is what he wants to do is likely he wants to perp walk him.

01:39:15.000 He wants to do the whole media show.

01:39:19.000 Which is not supposed to happen in a high profile case like this.

01:39:21.000 Does Bragg know that Donald Trump used to be the president?

01:39:24.000 Is he aware of that?

01:39:25.000 Has anybody told Bragg that?

01:39:27.000 He might not know that.

01:39:29.000 I mean, Bragg is again someone who just a year ago said he wasn't going to pursue the case because there wasn't good legal grounds to bring it.

01:39:37.000 So clearly the deep state used all of their pressure points.

01:39:40.000 This is a guy who took a lot of money from George Soros, a key Democratic congressman that was orchestrating Trump's impeachment.

01:39:47.000 Alright, so let's talk about what this might look like.

01:39:49.000 Are they going to arrest him?

01:39:51.000 Are they going to cuff him?

01:39:53.000 Is he going to sit in a jail cell?

01:39:54.000 What is Secret Service going to have to say about this?

01:39:57.000 It's all kinds of messy.

01:39:57.000 indictment this is a deep state indictment but in the end the indictment

01:40:00.000 will be of the deep state itself. Alright so let's talk about what this might look

01:40:04.000 like are they going to arrest him are they gonna cuff him is he gonna sit in a

01:40:08.000 jail cell what is Secret Service gonna have to say about this it's all kinds of

01:40:12.000 messy we'll be right back. Paul Sperry is reporting how sources say

01:40:17.000 Democratic representative Daniel Goldman of Manhattan who prosecuted the first

01:40:22.000 Trump impeachment and has been bragging to reporters about sabotaging GOP

01:40:26.000 investigation investigations of the Biden's has privately consulted with

01:40:30.000 Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg about indicting Trump I mean, this Democrat party is just a hive of scum and villainy.

01:40:40.000 I mean, it's just unbelievable at this point.

01:40:44.000 And...

01:40:46.000 It just goes on and on, and I want to get into the situation, what Robert Barnes thinks is going to happen.

01:40:54.000 Are they going to arrest him?

01:40:55.000 Are they going to cuff him?

01:40:56.000 Is he going to spend some time in jail?

01:40:58.000 Because Secret Service is not going to allow that.

01:41:01.000 So I mean, how do you see, this is like a standoff.

01:41:04.000 I mean, how does Secret Service let Donald Trump go out of, I mean, this isn't the right word, but for lack of a better term, how does Secret Service let Donald Trump out of their custody Or protection, rather, and put him into a jail cell in a corrupt district where, I mean, who knows?

01:41:23.000 He could get Epstein'd in that cell.

01:41:24.000 I'll say it.

01:41:25.000 I'll say it.

01:41:26.000 They'll put Trump in a jail cell and they'll send someone in there to kill him.

01:41:29.000 I'll say it.

01:41:29.000 You don't think Secret Service is thinking about that?

01:41:31.000 What do you think, Barnes?

01:41:33.000 Well, just as a practical matter, that risk exists when you put anybody inside a jail period, no less New York jails.

01:41:42.000 After all, it was a New York jail where Epstein did end up dead.

01:41:46.000 As I like to say, one of the eternal truths, Epstein himself But the, uh, so I think that they have great concerns.

01:41:53.000 And again, this is something that the Secret Service has no training for, because it's never happened before.

01:41:58.000 They, this has never, no president has ever been arrested, period, ever, at any time.

01:42:04.000 So the idea that this could even come about, least of all, a leading presidential contender for the next presidency.

01:42:12.000 I mean, that's what's incredibly unique here.

01:42:15.000 It's not only locking up the former president, it's locking up the opposition to the leading opposition, to the incumbent president.

01:42:25.000 I mean, it's extraordinary.

01:42:27.000 The Secret Service has certain protocols they're going to have to negotiate.

01:42:32.000 The New York Prosecutor's Office is going to have to negotiate.

01:42:34.000 Because Trump no longer lives in New York, they couldn't just raid his house, raid his home, raid his business, and drag him out.

01:42:43.000 They couldn't do that because he's not inside the state of New York.

01:42:46.000 New York's jurisdiction ends at its borders.

01:42:49.000 And while DeSantis could have said a lot more a lot earlier, he confirmed yesterday at least that the state of Florida will not help at all in any extradition proceedings with New York given the constitutional questions surrounding this selective prosecution and legally dubious charges being brought against the president.

01:43:09.000 So because of the Secret Service role, because Trump is not inside New York, because Florida won't even help in the process, that effectively puts New York in a position where they are at the whim of President Trump in terms of the terms and conditions of his surrender.

01:43:24.000 So hopefully that they will negotiate that in such a way that we do not get some crazy perp walk, we don't get him put in jail.

01:43:32.000 But we're going to find out, because it appears that they're rigging the judicial system in which judge gets assigned to the case.

01:43:39.000 I mean, the random chance the same judge who did the Trump Organization case in a biased way gets this case is about 100 to 1 against.

01:43:48.000 So that tells me that this was rigged.

01:43:51.000 And so the question is, does the judge abuse his bail power?

01:43:54.000 Does the prosecutor abuse his arrest power in such a way to try to put Trump in danger?

01:44:01.000 Or just politically and publicly embarrass Trump?

01:44:04.000 Or potentially restrict and restrain his ability and his rights in that process?

01:44:10.000 In terms of rights to bail, rights to campaign, right?

01:44:14.000 Now some people have asked, can they take Trump off the ballot?

01:44:17.000 The answer is no.

01:44:19.000 No indictment can take Trump off the ballot.

01:44:21.000 No conviction can take Trump off the ballot.

01:44:25.000 The presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs ran for office for the president while in federal prison.

01:44:34.000 Now, bogus charges, the misuse and abuse of the Sedition Act that we're now seeing again in the January 6th cases, first tried against Eugene V. Debs, just for opposing the draft for World War I.

01:44:47.000 That's why he was in jail.

01:44:48.000 But again, they cannot prevent him from being on the ballot.

01:44:52.000 Cannot prevent people from voting for him.

01:44:54.000 Cannot keep him out of the White House, quite frankly.

01:44:58.000 So these efforts to manipulate charges in such a way to try to politically damage Trump, and their ultimate objective is to try to get some sort of sentence that they try to enforce to prevent him from going into the White House.

01:45:11.000 But in the interim, they will likely try to misuse their power to limit his ability to campaign, limit his ability to speak out, limit his ability to raise funds, limit his ability to travel.

01:45:22.000 And so we're going to see constitutional questions come up right away at the very beginning of this case.

01:45:27.000 If they make the mistake of abusing their arrest power or abusing their bail power in the same way they've already abused their prosecutorial power, then I think you'll see even more public backlash against this in the court of public opinion, but you're more likely to see a higher court, including the Supreme Court of the United States, intervene in the case and clarify constitutionally when can local prosecutors derail the entire United States government For a political purpose, by taking out a political candidate, a political opponent, or a President of the United States.

01:46:02.000 We just constitutionally cannot allow this to happen, frankly.

01:46:06.000 And so I think that they may have to intervene if, in fact, this case continues to go AWOL.

01:46:12.000 Because again, the president is factually innocent.

01:46:15.000 He didn't commit any crime.

01:46:17.000 Cohen is lying.

01:46:18.000 Stormy Daniels has admitted nothing illicit happened.

01:46:20.000 She was part of an extortion ring. 1.00

01:46:22.000 She was the extortionist, not the victim.

01:46:25.000 And so just factually he's innocent.

01:46:28.000 There's confirmation.

01:46:29.000 There's no Trump text, no Trump messages, no Trump emails.

01:46:33.000 Uh, that confirm anything in the indictment according to recent released reports, uh, and information.

01:46:39.000 He's legally innocent because even if what they said was factually true about him, it's not a crime in New York.

01:46:45.000 Uh, he's constitutionally innocent because this violates his fair, uh, notice requirements under the due process clause, violates selective prosecution principles, violates the right to an impartial grand jury by how the grand jury was convened and what evidence was presented, including subordinate evidence and exculpatory evidence excluded.

01:47:03.000 In its selective prosecution in violation of the First Amendment targeting someone that they have never prosecuted for these kind of claims before for openly, overtly, admittedly, confessedly political charges.

01:47:14.000 So based on that the charges should be dismissed.

01:47:17.000 But we have seen what rogue courts do because it's the InfoWars audience that's witnessed it happen to Alex Jones and we've been warning Alex Jones is the canary in the coal mine when it came to social media censorship.

01:47:29.000 When it came to the weaponization of the legal system, the same.

01:47:32.000 Just as they violated his rights to bring motions to dismiss, his rights to bring anti-slap motions, his right to discovery, his right to trial by jury on the substantive merits, all of which was violated by both courts in Connecticut and Texas, we're now seeing the same political weaponization used here.

01:47:48.000 And the only reason why it hasn't worked is because the audience has continued to support InfoWars despite the war on the audience.

01:47:55.000 The war on Trump is a war on you.

01:47:58.000 The war on Trump is a war on our constitutional liberties.

01:48:01.000 In the same way the war on Alex Jones was a war on the populist audience.

01:48:05.000 That's why if you continue to support InfoWars by going to InfoWarsStore.com you can find products you like and you can give a nice big fat middle finger to the establishment in the deep state By continuing to make yourself healthier, wealthier, and wiser by finding products you like at affordable, accessible prices that keep InfoWars on the air despite the legal war against them.

01:48:28.000 In the end, the best defense for Alex Jones and InfoWars and populism is the audience continuing to support the means by which this message gets out there.

01:48:39.000 Same is true of Trump.

01:48:40.000 It's you, the American people, that are still the front line.

01:48:43.000 This is the Revere Ride.

01:48:45.000 Time to rally to the constitutional cause and the court of public opinion.

01:48:49.000 Defend President Trump.

01:48:50.000 Defend our liberty.

01:48:53.000 We'll be right back on the Alex Jones Show.

01:48:53.000 That's Bob Barnes.

01:48:56.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, let me just kind of hit the reset button here live on the InfoWars live transmissions for today, because I'm going to be with you the remainder of our live transmissions for the day, finishing up here on the Alex Jones Show and going right into the War Room.

01:49:15.000 Now, I'm going to get into some news that I want to cover here, but for the entire fourth hour today, I'm going to be taking your calls on a specific question.

01:49:27.000 On a specific question.

01:49:28.000 So, don't call in on anything else.

01:49:32.000 It's going to be a specific question.

01:49:34.000 I'll ask it.

01:49:36.000 In the next segment, when I open up the phone lines, unless... I mean, what... I'd rather have you not sitting on the phone line for 20 minutes, but if that's easier for the crew, would you guys rather me open up the phone lines now or in the next segment?

01:49:54.000 We'll do it in the next segment, because I don't want people sitting on the phone line for too long.

01:49:57.000 So, next segment, opening up the phone lines with a specific question.

01:50:00.000 I'll tell you that in a second.

01:50:03.000 And on the War Room today, we do have some special guests.

01:50:06.000 It's the Veterans Call-In Show today.

01:50:08.000 So we got some special guests, Pete Santilli and others, and we're going to be taking calls from veterans there.

01:50:12.000 And I'm going to go back into the Trump News at that point and just kind of reset and do a whole new show with the War Room.

01:50:21.000 But I will be getting into the latest breaking news with the Trump developments.

01:50:27.000 And I will tell you the question I want to have callers call in with.

01:50:31.000 In the next segment.

01:50:32.000 But before I do that, let's just quickly take a look at some other stuff that is going on that I think we are forgetting about or not thinking about.

01:50:46.000 And this might seem trivial, and you may have seen this headline, And we all know the story.

01:50:56.000 Jennifer Aniston says a whole generation now finds friends offensive.

01:51:04.000 Do you think much about that?

01:51:05.000 Does that bother you?

01:51:06.000 Do you really think about the implications of this or what it means?

01:51:12.000 I do.

01:51:14.000 And it actually scares me.

01:51:18.000 Now, Friends was probably the second most popular TV show in its time behind Seinfeld, I'm guessing.

01:51:24.000 I don't know.

01:51:25.000 It was Friends and Seinfeld, top TV shows for sitcoms.

01:51:29.000 Probably of all time.

01:51:32.000 And I don't think anybody ever found Friends offensive.

01:51:40.000 At the time.

01:51:41.000 So why is now What was a beloved popular sitcom from the 90s considered offensive.

01:51:52.000 Because what has been done to the youth is that humor has somehow been beaten out of their minds and their consciousness and their souls.

01:52:05.000 And so they don't find humor anymore.

01:52:07.000 They don't look for humor.

01:52:09.000 It can't even come naturally to them.

01:52:12.000 Because they're told all these different prerequisites about racism and bigotry and ableism and all this stuff that now jokes aren't funny, jokes are offensive!

01:52:28.000 Now aside from robbing an entire generation of humans the ability to have a sense of humor Or the enjoyment that humor can bring out of life, even in your darkest moments, humor can still lift you up.

01:52:46.000 Humor can still brighten your darkest days.

01:52:49.000 And they have removed our tendency towards humor and replaced it with a tendency towards being offended.

01:52:59.000 But I think it's worse than just denying an entire generation of children humor.

01:53:08.000 Now you've got a situation where one of the great weapons used against tyranny, one of the great weapons used against lies, humor, comedy, is no longer going to be effective.

01:53:26.000 Think about that.

01:53:31.000 That's scary.

01:53:32.000 Because now you're talking about language.

01:53:36.000 No longer being effective.

01:53:37.000 Now you're talking about genuine organic emotions not being effective and now everything being trained with a stimuli to get a desired outcome.

01:53:53.000 In other words, you're not laughing at the friend's joke on TV.

01:53:58.000 You find it offensive because it targets an other or a group.

01:54:05.000 And now this is how you're critically thinking about everything going through life instead of finding the joy in life and the humor in life.

01:54:14.000 And then you no longer can see irony.

01:54:18.000 And then you can no longer see double standards.

01:54:22.000 And then you no longer have any ability to self-reflect or have self-awareness.

01:54:28.000 Because after all, what's the greatest joke of all?

01:54:31.000 If you can't laugh at yourself, you're missing out on the greatest joke of all.

01:54:34.000 So now this has all been removed, and you've set up a situation where an entire generation not only can't even comprehend, understand, or enjoy humor, or having a sense of humor, they are now these emotionless, mindless blobs that are going to be easily manipulated and deceived Into becoming mindless zombie slaves.

01:55:04.000 And that's what you are seeing.

01:55:06.000 So it's not about, wow, this sucks, we can't even enjoy old 90s TV or humor or anything anymore.

01:55:16.000 No, this is, what you're witnessing is essentially a psychological lobotomy of an entire generation now that has had their sense of humor trained out of them.

01:55:31.000 And once you lose your sense of humor, you can no longer recognize a lot of different things in life.

01:55:39.000 Once you can no longer find the humor in life, you miss out on a lot of angles and perspectives, and you lose your ability to self-reflect and have self-awareness.

01:55:55.000 And so, that's why this is scary to me.

01:55:59.000 Not only does it sadden me that we could have an entire generation of Americans left humorless, it saddens me because now their minds are going to be so lobotomized that they not only won't understand humor or irony, It becomes a point where they can't even recognize fact from fiction.

01:56:25.000 All they can recognize is whether or not something is offensive, or bigoted, or transphobic, or homophobic, because that has been their training.

01:56:36.000 So now you approach everything you see in the world with, is it offensive?

01:56:41.000 Is it not offensive?

01:56:42.000 Who does it offend?

01:56:42.000 Who does it not offend?

01:56:46.000 And as soon as you look at the world like that, Your entire worldview can be manipulated.

01:56:53.000 Your entire mind can be deceived.

01:56:57.000 And you are turned into a zombie slave that will wear a face mask when you're told to, take a vaccine when you're told to, shut down your business, lock yourself in your house when you're told to.

01:57:11.000 And even when your mind has been erased, there's been one edge, there's been one opening that humans have used To still crack inside of it and give it an opening for a vision, for a perspective that they didn't have before, and that has been comedy.

01:57:29.000 That has been humor.

01:57:33.000 And now the left is removing it.

01:57:36.000 Anything that is a threat to the left establishment, just like in 1984, Anything that is a threat to the leftist, centralized, authoritarian establishment will be eliminated.

01:57:49.000 Humor is a threat to them.

01:57:52.000 So that's why they're eliminating it.

01:57:54.000 And that's why they're telling kids that everything is offensive.

01:57:58.000 So you can't even wear a Halloween costume, you can't even make a joke, you can't say this, you can't do that, it's all offensive.

01:58:05.000 And now you've got children like you saw in the movie Equilibrium, Or like you saw in Nazi Germany, that will turn their parents in because they have been turned into these mindless, emotionless zombies that only respond to stimuli of, is it offensive or is it not? 0.53

01:58:27.000 What goes around, comes around.

01:58:29.000 You get what you give.

01:58:32.000 You are what you eat.

01:58:34.000 We all know the cliches.

01:58:37.000 But what is really the word for it?

01:58:39.000 It's karma.

01:58:41.000 It's karma.

01:58:41.000 We can't quite explain it, but we've all experienced it.

01:58:45.000 We all know it's real.

01:58:48.000 And so I ask the question, and I will give out the phone number, but here's my question for today.

01:58:56.000 What would be karma for Donald Trump?

01:59:02.000 What would karma be for Donald Trump?

01:59:04.000 To get arrested and persecuted like so many of his supporters?

01:59:11.000 Or, to return to the presidency and arrest the criminals that persecuted him.

01:59:19.000 Or both!

01:59:22.000 You might also throw out there, you know, maybe he should be arrested because of the Operation Warp Speed.

01:59:29.000 If you feel so inclined.

01:59:30.000 But my question is, What would karma be for Donald Trump?

01:59:35.000 Get arrested and persecuted like his supporters, or get back into the White House and go after the criminals that have been persecuting him.

01:59:44.000 Those are my two basic layouts of how I see it.

01:59:50.000 Or maybe you see it both ways, or maybe you think this is what he's going to get for Being a part of Operation Warp Speed, but I don't really know if that's really karma because the real proprietors of that aren't being persecuted.

02:00:03.000 Although IS Fauci is being investigated, so there is that.

02:00:09.000 But that's the question.

02:00:10.000 What would karma be for Donald Trump?

02:00:13.000 Does he need to experience this?

02:00:15.000 Maybe being cuffed, put in jail, they're saying that's not going to happen.

02:00:18.000 Does he need to go through what so many of his supporters went through for years?

02:00:23.000 While he was on a golf course?

02:00:27.000 Or is it for him to get back in the White House and actually arrest the real criminals that have been engaged in criminal activity and treason in this country, in Washington, D.C., for my entire life?

02:00:39.000 Or is it both?

02:00:41.000 The number to call in, 877-789-2539.

02:00:45.000 877-789-2539.

02:00:47.000 I only want your response to that, and we will take calls the entire fourth hour.

02:00:54.000 I only want your response to that.

02:00:56.000 What would karma be for Donald Trump?

02:00:58.000 Arrest?

02:00:59.000 Persecution?

02:01:00.000 Jail, like so many of his supporters?

02:01:04.000 Or to get back into the White House and prosecute the actual criminals that have been persecuting him?

02:01:10.000 Or is it both?

02:01:12.000 Or is it something else?

02:01:14.000 877-789-2539.

02:01:16.000 Only your response to that.

02:01:19.000 And we will take your calls for the entire third hour.

02:01:25.000 Now... Boy, there's still so much to cover.

02:01:33.000 Let me cover this real quick.

02:01:35.000 We showed the video yesterday on the War Room of the creator of Libs of TikTok, Shia Rychik, finding Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at the Capitol where she filed an ethics complaint against AOC for lying about her.

02:01:59.000 And so she went with the Heritage Foundation's lawyers and filed an ethics complaint against AOC for lying about her on the floor of the Capitol.

02:02:10.000 And there's precedent there.

02:02:12.000 So, when she dropped off the file at AOC's office, AOC wasn't there.

02:02:19.000 She went to the cafeteria in the Capitol and happened to run into AOC.

02:02:25.000 Where she posed for a picture and AOC didn't even know who she was talking to.

02:02:32.000 And so posed for the picture and it was kind of a funny little troll moment and then Shia said oh by the way I'm serving you an ethics complaint you lied about me will you please stop lying about me and then AOC called her a transphobe and ran away. 0.96

02:02:50.000 Before I even saw this in the media today, I knew how the left was going to respond, and I was already planning on...

02:02:58.000 This coverage, this response to the video that you see on the screen in front of me, but I knew how the left was going to respond, and it all ties in together.

02:03:07.000 So the left comes out today and is saying, wow, this is embarrassing for libs of TikTok.

02:03:13.000 This is embarrassing for conservatives.

02:03:15.000 This is embarrassing for Chaya Rajchik.

02:03:17.000 This is embarrassing for the Heritage Foundation.

02:03:19.000 They thought they could troll AOC, and she didn't even know who They were!

02:03:24.000 She's never heard of any of them!

02:03:26.000 Wow, you must be embarrassed!

02:03:27.000 That's how big of no-names you are!

02:03:32.000 Actually, that's the entirely wrong response to this.

02:03:38.000 Because what this actually exposes is not how unpopular Libs of TikTok is, the numbers speak for themselves.

02:03:46.000 What this actually exposes Is something that has been the case for years, something I've heard Rush Limbaugh speak into my ears since I was a tiny little kid listening.

02:04:03.000 The left, liberals, democrats, folks, they have no idea who we are, what we stand for, what we represent, what we think, what we say, or literally even what we look like!

02:04:17.000 They don't even make the effort!

02:04:22.000 How is it that almost every conservative, I'm not saying we have universal, omnipotent knowledge and memory, but I mean, conservatives walk through DC, they know what politicians look like.

02:04:38.000 They know what members of the media look like.

02:04:41.000 I mean, how many times have I been out on the streets, at the airport, whatever, I see a politician, I see a member of the media, I start filming, I start having a conversation, because I know who they are.

02:04:50.000 I know who my opposition is politically.

02:04:53.000 I know what they all look like, I know their names, I know what they think, I know what they say, because it's important to me.

02:05:00.000 I have to know what my opposition stands for, because now I understand what they're trying to do.

02:05:08.000 Oh, now I understand.

02:05:09.000 Oh, my energy bill's going up.

02:05:10.000 Why is that?

02:05:10.000 Oh, they promote shutting down the energy.

02:05:13.000 Oh.

02:05:15.000 The border's wide open.

02:05:17.000 Millions of illegals pouring in.

02:05:18.000 Fentanyl pouring in.

02:05:19.000 Why is that?

02:05:19.000 Oh, they have an open border policy.

02:05:22.000 So we understand that.

02:05:24.000 So AOC not knowing who Libs of TikTok was is not a flex. 0.82

02:05:30.000 That's not embarrassing for Shia.

02:05:32.000 No, it's embarrassing for AOC, is what it is.

02:05:35.000 And it shows you that it's true.

02:05:38.000 The liberals don't even take the effort to know who we are, what we stand for, what we say, what we think, or what we really believe in.

02:05:45.000 They don't even take the effort, folks.

02:05:49.000 They don't even take the effort.

02:05:53.000 That's what's sad about this.

02:05:55.000 And AOC will go on the floor of Congress with a speech that she wrote or maybe somebody wrote for

02:06:07.000 her and she will lie about Shia Raichek and she will lie about 0.87

02:06:11.000 Libs of TikTok and she doesn't even know who she is. 1.00

02:06:16.000 She doesn't even know what she looks like. 0.54

02:06:23.000 Rush Limbaugh was right all those years.

02:06:26.000 He said it.

02:06:28.000 They don't take the time to know who we are.

02:06:30.000 They don't take the time to understand who we are.

02:06:33.000 They don't take the time and effort to know what we stand for, why we stand for it.

02:06:39.000 All they do is lie and strawman and then think it's real.

02:06:45.000 That's all they do.

02:06:47.000 They lie about us, they strawman us, and then that's what they actually believe.

02:06:52.000 It's a pathological liar is what it is.

02:06:55.000 It's the psychological phenomenon of being a pathological liar, where you lie so much, and you don't even try to find the truth, you end up believing your own lies.

02:07:05.000 You end up living your own lies.

02:07:08.000 So no, libs of TikTok and Shia Raichig are not so unpopular that AOC didn't recognize her, or embarrassed because AOC didn't know who she was.

02:07:18.000 No, AOC should be embarrassed that she goes on the floor of Congress and lies about somebody that she knows nothing about, doesn't even know what they look like. 0.99

02:07:27.000 And the larger issue here is apparent.

02:07:31.000 Leftists don't even take the effort to understand what conservatives are all about.

02:07:36.000 They don't even take the effort, they don't even care.

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02:10:07.000 What would the karma for Donald Trump be?

02:10:12.000 For him to get arrested and persecuted like his supporters?

02:10:15.000 For him to return to the White House and arrest the real criminals?

02:10:19.000 Both?

02:10:21.000 Or maybe you think something else entirely with the Operation Warp Speed.

02:10:25.000 We're asking you, the InfoWars audience, for the entire fourth hour.

02:10:32.000 So make your point, and we will take as many calls as we can in an hour.

02:10:36.000 And we start with Richard in Georgia.

02:10:40.000 Richard, you're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:10:41.000 Go ahead.

02:10:44.000 Can you hear me good?

02:10:45.000 Yes.

02:10:47.000 So I'm just basically like a third, a third, a third on Trump.

02:10:50.000 Like a third is like, he's an innocent actor, obviously being politically persecuted.

02:10:57.000 The other two thirds are like, he's a, he's a plant.

02:11:01.000 He's like, he's in on it.

02:11:02.000 You know, you know, the, you know, the Gregory stuff.

02:11:06.000 It's like, well, why isn't he supporting the people that supported him?

02:11:09.000 The J6ers and Julian Assange. 1.00

02:11:12.000 And then the other thing is like, you can, you can be a plant and not know it.

02:11:17.000 Right?

02:11:18.000 Like, yeah, like, this is all just so crazy.

02:11:23.000 It's like...

02:11:24.000 Does anyone really believe, like, Alvin Bragg is calling the shots of the world right now?

02:11:28.000 Like, I really don't, you know?

02:11:31.000 You know, I understand why people think Trump is controlled opposition or a puppet like Biden.

02:11:38.000 I do understand that.

02:11:40.000 But there is no doubt that there is a genuine effort to have him destroyed.

02:11:45.000 I mean, there is no doubt that is a real effort.

02:11:48.000 I mean, I don't see how you can deny that.

02:11:51.000 I don't.

02:11:52.000 I don't.

02:11:52.000 And that's the point.

02:11:54.000 So like, I think like, you know, the power structure just uses like, I mean, political differences are a real thing.

02:12:01.000 And like, these people with TDS is like, is a totally real thing.

02:12:07.000 I'm just, I'm just wondering, you know, I don't want this to be like a, you know, like, pointless thing to think about.

02:12:15.000 But like, like when you You know, I think, you know, when they engineer all these wars and stuff, like they use people who have a, a, like a, like a bent, like a, you know, you know, just a feeling like how they're, you know, like their natural inclinations, right?

02:12:39.000 So, I mean, I don't think that, like, obviously, like, the TDS isn't a completely, like, manufactured thing.

02:12:47.000 It's real.

02:12:49.000 But then you use that.

02:12:51.000 I mean, potentially.

02:12:52.000 Like, I don't know.

02:12:53.000 Like, I'm so... I'm always, you know... Here's the problem, is that you always judge a man by the fruits.

02:13:00.000 And, I mean, you can talk about Trump being the best president when we were alive, but the fruit is now either all rotten or dead, for the most part.

02:13:09.000 I mean, if it wasn't for the judges...

02:13:12.000 And the Supreme Court justices, I mean, I don't really know what fruit Donald Trump even has left to put on the table and say, look what I've done.

02:13:19.000 I mean, it was real easy to reverse all the good things he did for Biden to do that.

02:13:24.000 Real easy.

02:13:25.000 So I just.

02:13:29.000 It's hard to say whether or not the knocks against Trump not being good enough when he was in office are very legitimate, and of course the deep state is coming after him because he didn't drain the swamp.

02:13:40.000 Of course the swamp's coming after him.

02:13:41.000 He said he was going to drain the swamp, he didn't, so now the swamp's trying to take him under.

02:13:45.000 I mean, you know, so that's, alright Richard, thanks for the call.

02:13:48.000 Let's jump to Wild Card in Wisconsin.

02:13:50.000 Wild Card, you're on the air, go ahead.

02:13:53.000 Hey Big O, huge fan, I think karma-wise.

02:13:57.000 Kind of like what Trump said in all his rallies where you play that song, uh, it's not, um, what you want, but you get what you need.

02:14:04.000 And I think this is exactly what Trump needs because it's solidifying that, uh, if he doesn't do what he said he was going to do, or block her up, uh, drain Swamp, et cetera, that they're just going to keep coming after him, probably his kid, you know?

02:14:19.000 And I think also, you know, don't forget he, uh, he got Rona and lost a lot of weight.

02:14:26.000 Uh, so, you know, that in hindsight, I think is also going to play in with, uh, Rona numbers coming out, that he could also flip-flop back on Rona as these numbers come out about how dangerous the vax is.

02:14:37.000 Cause he also said in, um, speeches that... Well, that's like the one thing he could do that might change some of the detractors' opinions, but I don't know.

02:14:49.000 It might be too late.

02:14:49.000 I don't know if it would be politically, strategically a good thing.

02:14:52.000 You know, here's the problem.

02:14:57.000 I understand why people don't like Trump, whether it's for his politics or for his demeanor or being, you know, the billionaire playboy, the ego, all the stuff.

02:15:12.000 And, you know, I get people that get upset with me for saying I would vote for Trump again, even after what he did with Operation Warp Speed.

02:15:20.000 And I explain that I'm not a political purist.

02:15:23.000 And so I look at things from a pragmatic standpoint where somebody's got to be the President of the United States.

02:15:29.000 It's got to be somebody.

02:15:31.000 And for all the imperfections and mistakes from Donald Trump, you know, he is still light years above of anybody else that I can tell.

02:15:40.000 But I understand the person that says, You know, it's all broken.

02:15:44.000 The system is broken.

02:15:45.000 Washington is broken.

02:15:46.000 And it just doesn't matter.

02:15:48.000 And so I just want to, you know, live my life, be left alone, and not get involved in any of it.

02:15:53.000 But here's the problem, folks.

02:15:55.000 Here's the problem.

02:15:57.000 And until you've really tried to become a A thorn in the side of the globalists, until you've really tried to become a rod in the gears and mechanisms of the establishment, until you've really tried to thumb your nose and eye gouge the political establishment, you really don't understand how they come after you, and how corrupt they are, and what it costs in that effort.

02:16:32.000 And so if we don't support the people that go through that, and we don't support the biggest names, no matter how egomaniacal they are, no matter how many mistakes they've made, hell, I'll even go to the bottom line of it all, no matter how many people they may have killed with their policies, I'm going to support the guy that's actually trying to change things in DC.

02:17:04.000 Because here's what has to be understood.

02:17:08.000 Things in this country are only going to get worse.

02:17:12.000 They're never going to get better.

02:17:13.000 And if we don't support the men...

02:17:17.000 As imperfect as they might be, if we don't support the men and the women that are actually trying to change it, and actually trying to step up and do something, if we don't support them and we let them get destroyed, then the country's only going to continue to get worse.

02:17:31.000 And you can live out your life as free and prosperous as you possibly can, until you can't anymore.

02:17:40.000 Until you're in the digital currency, until you're in the social credit score, until you're forced to wear a mask, forced to take a vaccine.

02:17:48.000 So you have to understand, that's what we're trying to stop here.

02:17:55.000 Doesn't mean Donald Trump is perfect.

02:17:56.000 Doesn't mean I even have to like Donald Trump.

02:18:01.000 But if Donald Trump is a man who's truly trying to stand up and say, I see things are going the wrong direction, let's Get him going the right direction, and then he gets destroyed because of that.

02:18:11.000 And I say, well, he had a blemish on his face, or I didn't like this.

02:18:15.000 Well, then the next man that comes up and tries to destroy them, he's going to get destroyed.

02:18:19.000 And then the next man is going to get destroyed until there's no other men left.

02:18:24.000 And that's when the tyranny and the authoritarianism comes to your front door.

02:18:30.000 I'm done ranting.

02:18:31.000 I'm taking your calls.

02:18:32.000 What is karma for Trump?

02:18:34.000 Getting arrested and persecuted and thrown in jail like so many of his supporters were?

02:18:39.000 Getting back into the White House and arresting the real criminals that are going after him?

02:18:42.000 We're getting your response to this.

02:18:45.000 We go to Christy in California.

02:18:47.000 Christy, you're on the Alex Jones Show.

02:18:48.000 Go ahead.

02:18:52.000 Hi, thank you for taking the call.

02:18:53.000 Long-time listener, first-time caller.

02:18:55.000 I believe with my heart that karma for President Trump can only be good.

02:19:01.000 He's done some things that are wrong and all of us have.

02:19:04.000 That's the earthly side of us.

02:19:06.000 But I believe the fact that he has a chance and that he has shown his sincerity, his loyalty, his patriotism, his giving, and also his karma will determine what becomes of Earth and America.

02:19:20.000 And I believe his karma is going to be good because he's living right and he's doing the right thing.

02:19:25.000 And you know, just to expand on this a little bit too, let's be clear here.

02:19:29.000 We're not in a Trump cult.

02:19:30.000 I'm not a Trump sycophant.

02:19:33.000 And so, this is bigger than Trump, and this will go on past Trump, whatever that means.

02:19:42.000 You know, I sit here and I never asked Trump for any help.

02:19:46.000 Trump is not my daddy.

02:19:47.000 I'm not electing a daddy.

02:19:49.000 I'm not electing a big brother.

02:19:51.000 So when I've gone through my political persecution and my arrests and all the stuff that I'm facing because I support Donald Trump, I don't look to Donald Trump for help.

02:19:59.000 I don't blame Donald Trump.

02:20:00.000 He's not my daddy.

02:20:02.000 And I never asked Donald Trump for anything.

02:20:06.000 If Trump has absolutely no understanding of that suffering, if Trump has no understanding truly of that, and he doesn't, he has no sympathy for those people rotting in the jail cells, and maybe he does, maybe he finally does, then it's going to take an experience for him to really understand what it's cost His supporters, and I would say at this point, what they owe him.

02:20:34.000 Or rather, what he owes them.

02:20:36.000 I would rather say what he owes them.

02:20:39.000 Because these January 6th political prisoners don't just need to be pardoned.

02:20:44.000 And don't just need to be released.

02:20:45.000 I mean, the people that put them in jail need to be investigated.

02:20:50.000 They need to be getting medals of honor.

02:20:52.000 They need to be recognized as heroes.

02:20:56.000 I agree with everything you say.

02:20:58.000 I live this in my thought every day about not just the status of America, but what happened on January 6th.

02:21:05.000 But I also find with Trump, President Trump, that somehow he's here and he gets us all rallied together and he stirs stuff in Americans.

02:21:15.000 That to me is worth something so great, no matter what the situation is right now.

02:21:21.000 I love seeing that.

02:21:22.000 I love hearing that.

02:21:24.000 Nobody gets a crowd like Trump.

02:21:25.000 There's no doubt about that.

02:21:26.000 Nobody gets a crowd like Trump.

02:21:28.000 Nobody gets the energy in a political event like Trump.

02:21:30.000 Nobody.

02:21:31.000 And it's not even close, actually.

02:21:32.000 There's not even a second, third, fourth, fifth place.

02:21:34.000 Nobody's even on the map.

02:21:36.000 Christy, thanks for the call.

02:21:37.000 Let's go to Minister B in Los Angeles.

02:21:41.000 Minister B, you're on the air.

02:21:42.000 Go ahead.

02:21:47.000 We'll try this again.

02:21:48.000 Minister B, you're on the air.

02:21:50.000 Go ahead.

02:21:51.000 There you go, you unmuted me.

02:21:53.000 Thank you for taking my call.

02:21:54.000 First time caller, long time listener.

02:21:57.000 Based on your question, I've been waiting on this question, Owen, to be posed to the Alex Jones community for so long.

02:22:03.000 Because it is a passage of scripture that says, Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

02:22:09.000 Remember, when Trump came into office, the first thing he did was totally use his executive orders to totally wipe out everything Obama did instead of trying

02:22:20.000 to embrace some of those and make them better. Second thing, Trump misrepresented that he was, he

02:22:26.000 sold that he was going to drain the swamp and lock her up. Guess what? He didn't. So now since

02:22:32.000 you didn't drain the swamp and locked him up, you have emboldened the swamp and made him

02:22:38.000 more powerful. So, but take, to take down a president, which is insane.

02:22:43.000 So now you can't touch them right now.

02:22:46.000 Third thing, he started again on his campaign this time.

02:22:50.000 We're going to drain the swamp.

02:22:51.000 Listen, if a person looked to you, Owen, and lied to your face to say they're going to do something and had four years to do it, and they don't do it, I can't give them the credence.

02:23:02.000 And listen, I voted for Trump twice, but listen, I didn't vote for Trump for who he was.

02:23:06.000 I voted for Trump because when you get time in your busy schedule, you can go look at my prophetic friend that passed, Kim Clement.

02:23:13.000 He gave a prophecy in 2007 and 2014 and said everything that God was going to do and wanted to do through Trump.

02:23:22.000 90% of that, Trump did.

02:23:24.000 It came to pass.

02:23:25.000 The impeachment, impeachment, all that.

02:23:28.000 The judges, the abortion, all that.

02:23:31.000 He spoke that in 2007 and 2014.

02:23:35.000 And so the aspect of it is Trump didn't do what he said he was going to do.

02:23:39.000 So unfortunately, he's reaping what he sowed.

02:23:42.000 He didn't drain the swamp.

02:23:43.000 The swamp is going after him.

02:23:44.000 And Alex had all Alan Dershowitz on earlier today.

02:23:48.000 He had the great constitutional lawyer Robert Barnes on.

02:23:51.000 And what a lot of things they're missing, Owen, is they're assuming that this corrupt DA is going to give Trump a bail to get him out, to put him out on freedom.

02:24:03.000 Look at the January 6th that you just said.

02:24:05.000 They're locked up for over 800 days with no due process.

02:24:09.000 That's how they're going to shut Trump down with these corrupt judges.

02:24:13.000 You know, I gotta tell you, when I went through my turning myself in, I was afraid for the same thing.

02:24:20.000 And I think they actually planned on locking me up.

02:24:22.000 I'd probably still be in jail if we didn't make a couple important moves before that.

02:24:26.000 Alright, I can tell this is a hot subject today because my text messages are blowing up.

02:24:33.000 With people that can't get through on the phone lines wanting to share their opinions on what will karma look like for Donald Trump?

02:24:41.000 I think we've all had a taste of karma, have we not?

02:24:44.000 So what is it going to look like for Donald Trump?

02:24:46.000 Is this persecution part of it or will karma be him getting back into the White House and arresting the real criminals going after himself?

02:24:54.000 Let's go back to the phone lines and we've got Marvin in Alabama.

02:25:00.000 Marvin, you're on the air, go ahead.

02:25:03.000 Hey Owen, good to talk to you.

02:25:04.000 Yeah, the minister kind of stole a little bit of my thunder that, you know, Trump is kind of reaping what he sowed by not draining the swamp.

02:25:11.000 But the bigger picture, the flip side of that, is that his karma and our karma are interlinked, and they're one and the same.

02:25:19.000 And so, you know, if we're looking for a strongman to fix everything, well that's not how the United States of America, the Republic, is designed to be operated.

02:25:29.000 So even if he could fix everything, That's not the way it should be done.

02:25:34.000 And the big drawback with Trump is he's never ever one to say, you know, I'm going to follow the Constitution and that's going to be my solution for all of our problems.

02:25:47.000 And then when the deep state or whoever decides they want to persecute him or us or whoever, you know, He could have, back when he was president, came and made a case to the people and used his bully pulpit and said, you know, for example, I'm not going to shut everything down.

02:26:02.000 I'm going to get all the experts in the world.

02:26:04.000 I'm not going to listen to this creep Fauci.

02:26:06.000 I'm going to, you know, get some of these guys that are saying, hey, this, you know, we're being kind of tricked here and whatever.

02:26:14.000 He didn't do any of that.

02:26:15.000 He just went with the plan.

02:26:17.000 He's more worried about his ego.

02:26:19.000 Uh, the number one excuse I hear for why he went along with Warp Speed was so that he could get the credit and get re-elected because they were planning on delaying it so that he couldn't get credit for it.

02:26:31.000 Well, that's not a good reason to do things.

02:26:32.000 That's what gets you bad karma.

02:26:35.000 And our bad karma comes from trying to rely on him or someone like him to fix everything for us.

02:26:42.000 And that can never happen.

02:26:43.000 That's not the way it's supposed to work.

02:26:45.000 Well, let me just stop you right there because this is, this is truly, this is a huge crutch right here.

02:26:53.000 Because I agree with what you're saying, but unfortunately it's just not practical.

02:27:00.000 I mean, you gotta be pragmatic here.

02:27:02.000 No, we do need a leader that's going to, I mean really, we do need a president that's going to get into the White House and actually Drain the swamp!

02:27:13.000 I mean, there should be hundreds of politicians and bureaucrats being arrested.

02:27:13.000 Arrest the criminals!

02:27:19.000 Hundreds.

02:27:20.000 And so, somebody's going to have to do that.

02:27:20.000 Okay?

02:27:24.000 And it's going to have to be a leader, and it's going to have to be a leader that gets other leaders, and they're going to have to do that.

02:27:29.000 And so, I get the idea.

02:27:31.000 It's we the people, but...

02:27:33.000 What are you actually proposing?

02:27:35.000 Our one way of doing it is voting.

02:27:37.000 If we don't have the vote anymore, if we don't believe we have a vote anymore, okay, so what do we do next?

02:27:41.000 I'm not a violent revolutionary.

02:27:44.000 I'm not going to be the one doing anything like that.

02:27:46.000 And if that is you, you know, good luck because you're going to get infiltrated by feds and you're going to get arrested before you even know what hit you.

02:27:54.000 So I'm just pragmatic here.

02:27:57.000 We've got to get somebody in there that actually wants to arrest the real criminals and change the situation in this country.

02:28:04.000 I agree with you.

02:28:06.000 We're not, it's not supposed to be that way.

02:28:08.000 I agree with you.

02:28:09.000 It's going to become, it's going to come down to we, the people, but we, the people are divided.

02:28:13.000 We the people aren't getting along.

02:28:15.000 We the people have a giant crevasse in between that is filled with this vitriol and these attacks and this hatred, so I don't know how that really works.

02:28:23.000 So to me, the most pragmatic solution is...

02:28:26.000 If we can still have an election result that we can trust, get a leader in there who's actually going to drain the swamp, is that going to be Donald Trump?

02:28:33.000 But it's absolutely right.

02:28:35.000 I didn't make decisions for Trump.

02:28:36.000 I'm not the one that decided to do Operation Warp Speed.

02:28:39.000 I'm not the one that decided not to go after the criminals and put deep state people in my cabinet.

02:28:44.000 That was Trump.

02:28:45.000 And so is he reaping what he sows?

02:28:46.000 That's what you're saying, Marvin.

02:28:49.000 Well, yeah, but either we have a constitution and we're going to be a republic and try to follow it to the best of our ability.

02:28:55.000 Or we're not.

02:28:57.000 And the answer I'm getting from everybody that wants to just put strongman Trump in office is we're not.

02:29:02.000 We're just going to elect him and let him solve the problem by being strongman, not following the Constitution.

02:29:08.000 So Trump is not going to solve the problems.

02:29:11.000 Trump is not going to solve the problems.

02:29:12.000 Trump is going to give us the opportunity to solve our own problems.

02:29:17.000 You see what I'm saying?

02:29:18.000 Yeah.

02:29:19.000 I don't think that's going to happen.

02:29:20.000 If that's the case, then we can do it with or without Trump.

02:29:24.000 So, but how? How are you going to do that? Let's say it's Trump or anybody else. How

02:29:24.000 Either way.

02:29:28.000 are any of us going to do it without a good leader?

02:29:33.000 One mistake you made earlier, you said our only solution is we only have the vote, but

02:29:39.000 we have non-cooperation, we have votes on the jury, jury nullification.

02:29:43.000 We have a lot of things.

02:29:45.000 We could be out in the streets protesting.

02:29:47.000 If they want to force our hand and start arresting all of us, then we need to just do that because eventually... Hi, my name's Owen.

02:29:54.000 I've been arrested three times.

02:29:56.000 Okay, good, but that doesn't solve everyone's problem.

02:30:00.000 We're not only talking about you, Owen.

02:30:02.000 You asked me, what can we all do?

02:30:04.000 Okay, so you got arrested.

02:30:05.000 I applaud you for that.

02:30:06.000 Good for you.

02:30:07.000 Now, what can the rest of us do?

02:30:08.000 Okay, if we have to get out in the streets, if we have to be jury nullifiers and nullify Well, this is the great debate.

02:30:15.000 This has been a great call.

02:30:16.000 I just got to take other calls.

02:30:17.000 But if we're relying only on Trump, if that's our solution, it's not going to be solved.

02:30:22.000 Even if he gets in and fixes a bunch of stuff, then the next Biden or Obama gets elected,

02:30:27.000 they're going to turn right around and undo it all like you said earlier.

02:30:29.000 Well, this is the great debate.

02:30:30.000 Because we did fix the problem.

02:30:32.000 This is the great debate.

02:30:33.000 And this has been a great call.

02:30:35.000 I just got to take other calls.

02:30:37.000 But the reason why I point out that I've been arrested is because it's like it's the same

02:30:44.000 reason why I'm saying I never asked anything from Donald Trump.

02:30:48.000 I'm not looking for Donald Trump to solve my problems.

02:30:51.000 I'm not looking for anybody to solve my problems.

02:30:53.000 I want to be able to solve my own problems.

02:30:56.000 And so that's what I'm looking for.

02:30:57.000 I'm looking for somebody to get the government off of my back.

02:31:01.000 I just point that out because I've got a little more experience, let's say, or credibility discussing this because I've actually been in that situation.

02:31:11.000 I mean, that's why we have Roger Stone on.

02:31:14.000 And that's why we have these other guests on that have already been through this and know what it's like.

02:31:19.000 It's like this.

02:31:22.000 Again, I don't care.

02:31:23.000 I don't want a box full of autographed Trump hats to give out on my show, okay?

02:31:28.000 But, it's like, Donald Trump will send somebody who's never been in the streets, who's never done anything...

02:31:37.000 Other than go on a show and support him, and he'll send them a box full of hats, and they'll send them a bunch of paraphernalia, and they'll send them guests and everything.

02:31:44.000 We never get that!

02:31:45.000 I don't care!

02:31:46.000 I don't even want that!

02:31:47.000 That's not what I'm doing this for.

02:31:48.000 I'm not doing this for free memorabilia.

02:31:50.000 We're not doing this for fortune and fame.

02:31:51.000 So that's what I'm saying is...

02:31:53.000 When I can sit here and say, despite what I've gone through for Trump, and despite all the mistakes Trump has made, I still understand why Trump is the most important person to get into the White House.

02:32:04.000 Now, I feel that way right now.

02:32:06.000 That could easily change.

02:32:07.000 Maybe Rand Paul makes an emergence here if he goes after and arrests Fauci.

02:32:12.000 And maybe it's Rand Paul's time.

02:32:15.000 Maybe there's another dark horse that might come out of nowhere.

02:32:18.000 Maybe Vivek continues to improve and say things that I do and like.

02:32:23.000 But there's no doubt the fear that they have of Donald Trump is legitimate.

02:32:29.000 And you can sit here and say he let him off the hook and he didn't do anything and I completely agree, but...

02:32:35.000 I think the fear proves that he's his own actor, he's not controlled, he's not being told what to do, he might have bad influences around him, but clearly the deep state fears him.

02:32:46.000 I mean, folks, they're going to arrest him over a charge that is past the statute of limitations and has two legal documents signed as evidence proving he's innocent.

02:32:59.000 So, I mean, they're really totally persecuting him illegitimately.

02:33:03.000 I mean, that's real.

02:33:05.000 Alright, I'm going to shut up and go over to your phone calls.

02:33:07.000 We'll take as many as we can in the last two segments of the Alex Jones Show.

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02:33:35.000 Let's go to Danny in Texas.

02:33:38.000 Danny, you're on the air.

02:33:39.000 Go ahead.

02:33:41.000 Hey, hi, Owen.

02:33:42.000 Thank you for taking my call today.

02:33:44.000 Thanks for calling.

02:33:46.000 So, where I stand with this Trump thing, You know, in the beginning of 2016, uh, my guy in the beginning was, was, uh, Rand Paul.

02:33:56.000 You know, I followed his father, um, for some years and had voted for him in 2012.

02:34:01.000 And, uh, that was my guy, you know, then Trump came along and, and, and had really good, powerful things to say, talk, and the same thing he's saying now, he said in 2016.

02:34:13.000 Almost, almost exactly identical, some of the speeches.

02:34:17.000 So, Um, when it comes down to, I guess, uh, we're talking about karma with him.

02:34:23.000 I, I, I don't want to, I, someday we, you know, I just want to say that that's, that's in God's hands and I think God will judge him whenever that day comes or whenever he meets his maker.

02:34:39.000 Um, what's happening now to him is, is total political persecution.

02:34:43.000 I don't think it's right, but again, some of the past callers mentioned about You know, he kind of shot himself in his foot with this one.

02:34:52.000 I mean, I don't know if he understood how important it was to the people in 2016.

02:34:58.000 The things he was saying, it was important to us.

02:35:01.000 You know, we finally found our champion and it met something.

02:35:04.000 We found somebody who's, we've just, it wasn't just a champ to lock her up.

02:35:08.000 I mean, that meant something to us.

02:35:09.000 We know how big of a criminal she is. 1.00

02:35:11.000 She's still walking around there.

02:35:13.000 You know, she's still probably, you know, um, Planning things right now with her cronies, with Obama and the bunch, you know?

02:35:20.000 So, uh, that's kind of where I look at him.

02:35:25.000 Would I vote for him again?

02:35:27.000 You know, that's hard to say.

02:35:29.000 I'll wait and see, but I know this and I always try to look at what's going on in the world today and how God would look at things.

02:35:39.000 And I know God hates pride.

02:35:42.000 God hates pride.

02:35:42.000 And I'll tell you what, Donald Trump is a prideful man.

02:35:45.000 And that's a bad thing.

02:35:46.000 And that's a bad leader for us.

02:35:48.000 I think at the end of the day, he's a great man.

02:35:51.000 He's done great things.

02:35:52.000 But in the end, I think we get misplaced with The Bible talks about, you know, these end times.

02:36:00.000 There's going to be so much news, and we're going to be flooded with so much information, and it's going to be so crazy.

02:36:05.000 Our heads are going to be, and we're going to be coming so fast.

02:36:08.000 And, you know, Alex talked about, you know, things that happened in 10 years that happened are going to happen in a day and a half.

02:36:15.000 And things are just ramping up, and they're going.

02:36:18.000 And I think we need to step back and take a look to God.

02:36:21.000 I think you even think people need to take a step back and look at their churches they're in.

02:36:27.000 You know, I found my pastor through... Well, look, there's no doubt the church is having a problem.

02:36:31.000 I mean, I go down to the Capitol, they got a bunch of, you know, ministers and priests out there claiming they're for trans kids.

02:36:36.000 So, you know, the next thing you know they'll be protesting for abortion, too.

02:36:42.000 You know, Trump is in control of his own fate in many ways, and obviously being politically persecuted, but he didn't drain the swamp.

02:36:51.000 So they're coming after him now.

02:36:52.000 I don't know how he didn't see that coming.

02:36:54.000 Thanks for the call, Danny.

02:36:55.000 Let's go to Mike in California.

02:36:57.000 Mike, you're on the air.

02:36:58.000 Go ahead.

02:37:00.000 So I don't think karma would be further persecution by the deep state that, you know, he's been enduring since he came down the escalator.

02:37:10.000 I think Karma needs to be him getting back into office, but in order to do that, to get support of people like The Last Caller and others that are on the fence, he needs to come out and say specifically who he's going to appoint and surround himself with.

02:37:31.000 That has to be people with integrity, like Colonel Douglas McGregor, Scott Ritter, people like that.

02:37:37.000 I think if he could convince Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

02:37:41.000 to be his running mate, that would be outstanding.

02:37:44.000 He needs to come out and say, Operation Warp Speed, from his perspective, was a great accomplishment, getting around all the red tape of the federal bureaucracy.

02:37:54.000 But the way it was handled behind his back was obviously unfortunate.

02:37:58.000 And he needs to come out, and he needs to own that.

02:38:01.000 And, you know, he needs people like Carl McGregor to come in and be Secretary of Defense.

02:38:06.000 There's so much corruption.

02:38:09.000 In Washington that, you know, he can't have people like, you know, all these CIA people and neocons that he had around him to begin with in the first administration.

02:38:23.000 That's just not going to cut it.

02:38:24.000 If he really wants people to support him, we need to hear specifics about the people he's going to appoint, what he's going to do.

02:38:31.000 And then not just the negative, we need to hear a positive message about, you know, things Rebuilding our infrastructure here, you know, having beautiful buildings and roads that work, you know, there's so much blackmailing going on everywhere.

02:38:48.000 And, you know, Americans need something to be hopeful for, you know, the rest of the world's turning against us.

02:38:55.000 So I think, you know, if he did that, the combination of those two things, I think, you know, he can get a lot of support and I think he could win and it would be good for the country.

02:39:04.000 I mean, don't you think?

02:39:06.000 Well, I'll tell you this, if he does win again and doesn't drain the swamp or shut down these out-of-control corrupt federal bureaucracies, he's going to be a total dog.

02:39:20.000 And, you know, I don't know if that's how history will tell it, but that's how a lot of his voters would look at it.

02:39:26.000 So I'd love the redemption run.

02:39:28.000 I'd love the redemption arc.

02:39:33.000 Yeah, I guess that would be karma for the Deep State, if he got back in office and arrested all of them.

02:39:38.000 That's who really needs the karma.

02:39:40.000 Alright, thanks for the call.

02:39:41.000 Let's go to Flint in Chicago.

02:39:43.000 Flint, you're on the air.

02:39:44.000 Hi, Owen.

02:39:44.000 Go ahead.

02:39:46.000 Thanks for taking my call.

02:39:49.000 So, obviously we have three branches of government, right?

02:39:53.000 Legislative, executive, and judicial.

02:39:57.000 That is really kind of the issue, because if you look at when Trump got into office, When we're talking about the, you know, us owning the, you know, we talk about the Uniparty and this sort of thing.

02:40:11.000 We had Paul Ryan, okay?

02:40:13.000 You can't drain the swamp with Paul Ryan.

02:40:16.000 I'm sorry, you couldn't.

02:40:19.000 Ronald Reagan said it best.

02:40:20.000 Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.

02:40:24.000 We didn't pass it on to our children through bloodstream.

02:40:28.000 The only way that we can inherit the freedom we have known is to fight for it.

02:40:34.000 Protect it, defend it, and then hand it down to them with the well-thought lessons of how they, in their lifetime, must do the same.

02:40:43.000 And if you don't do this, then you and I may well spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was to live in America when men were free.

02:40:58.000 That really is kind of where we're all kind of coming towards.

02:41:03.000 When you talk about, you know, karma, yeah, it's going to be bad karma for the Democrats if they really try to, like, the best thing that they could do is put it on television, put him in handcuffs, make him a martyr, and, you know, let it go.

02:41:19.000 And I'll tell you, I'm going to support Trump.

02:41:22.000 Even Trump had tried to drain, you can only drain the swamp, but you're only one part of the, you know, the entire three branches.

02:41:32.000 So that needs to be taken into account, and I don't think people understand that.

02:41:38.000 And it's very clear, and we need to be clear on this, that we need more than a unit party.

02:41:46.000 We need to start getting more Boeberts, more MTGs, you know, more, you know, Kiproys in office.

02:41:55.000 This is not going to be solved overnight, and it's Frustrating, because when I hear people say, well, you know, Trump was going to drain the swamp, he didn't drain the swamp, you know, he's only got so much power.

02:42:09.000 And now the swamp is totally unified against him.

02:42:13.000 And that includes the Uniparty.

02:42:15.000 The Uniparty is going to destroy him if he's not assassinated first, God forbid.

02:42:22.000 Well, maybe that's what they're trying to do with the perp walk in New York.

02:42:25.000 You know, get him out on the streets and try to open it up like that.

02:42:28.000 I mean, it's not like a president has never been assassinated in this country before.

02:42:32.000 It's happened.

02:42:33.000 Final segment here of the Alex Jones Show.

02:42:36.000 We're taking your calls.

02:42:38.000 I will be hosting the War Room, getting back into the news with great veterans.

02:42:45.000 And guests.

02:42:46.000 Let's go back to the phone lines now as we close out the Alex Jones Show and go to Malcolm in New Mexico.

02:42:53.000 Malcolm, you're on the air.

02:42:53.000 Go ahead.

02:42:58.000 Alright, hold on.

02:43:00.000 Alright, now Malcolm, you're on the air.

02:43:02.000 Go ahead.

02:43:04.000 Hi Owen, great to be on.

02:43:05.000 Love your show.

02:43:07.000 I think Trump is going to get re-elected simply because I agree with Elon Musk and Chris Rock.

02:43:12.000 I think getting him arrested is like arresting Tupac Shakur.

02:43:15.000 I think this is going to only help him.

02:43:17.000 But I think that along the line, I think he's not going to make the same mistakes that he made before.

02:43:21.000 I think he is going to appoint some people and I think it's going to cause a national revolt because the last thing a vampire Democrat Marxist wants is a number cruncher in the White House looking at the

02:43:33.000 numbers and Trump has stated he's a numbers guy. I think he is.

02:43:36.000 And I think this is going to cause a national revolt and I think with everyone leaving New York, Illinois, California,

02:43:43.000 I'm starting to see a lot of Californians now move to New Mexico out of LA.

02:43:47.000 And I mean, it's, they're not going to have any more taxpayers and the problem with these people is they can't

02:43:53.000 admit that they're wrong about the economy and the- Just say everything.

02:43:58.000 It'll be easier that way.

02:43:59.000 Yeah, everything.

02:44:00.000 Okay.

02:44:00.000 And I think we're going to have a national revolt, similar to 1860, with Abraham Lincoln getting in.

02:44:06.000 And instead of the state's rights issues over slavery, it's going to be individual rights, I think, and economic rights.

02:44:17.000 Without the taxpayers in California, Illinois, and New York, they can't vote their own pay raises in like they do every year.

02:44:24.000 And I think this is going to cause a lot of major national division.

02:44:28.000 And I think Trump may find himself elected, but similar to being in the same situation that Abraham Lincoln was in.

02:44:34.000 That's what I see coming.

02:44:37.000 Well, I hope he doesn't make the same mistakes he made the first time.

02:44:41.000 I mean, as far as being a numbers cruncher, I don't really know how much that matters.

02:44:44.000 I mean, he increased the national debt more than anybody, I think.

02:44:48.000 So, I don't really know if he cares about that.

02:44:52.000 Yeah, but he's, the thing is, is one of the things about Democrats, and I learned this in New Mexico, this is a major libtard state, and one of the things that I learned with a lot of Democrats here, they, um, what did Don Corleone say? 1.00

02:45:05.000 Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

02:45:07.000 One of the things that I learned is that Democrats are the biggest scroungers of tax dollars, and, um, I mean, they create all kinds of... They're damn heathens.

02:45:19.000 They're damn heathens.

02:45:21.000 They're vampires.

02:45:22.000 And the last thing you want is someone who can throw light on them, because sunshine on a vampire kills them.

02:45:29.000 And I think that's one of the things Trump is going to probably have to do, is bring in responsible people, and I hope he does that.

02:45:36.000 He has to bring in people that have a disposition towards D.C.

02:45:40.000 politics and a disposition in general towards government, not people who want to use it to their own advantage or enrichment.

02:45:48.000 That's going to be a big difference.

02:45:49.000 Malcolm, thanks for the call.

02:45:51.000 Let's go to Ryan in Georgia.

02:45:53.000 Ryan, you're on the air.

02:45:54.000 Go ahead.

02:45:57.000 Hey, Owen.

02:45:58.000 Thanks for taking my call.

02:45:59.000 I just had a couple of comments.

02:46:01.000 Oh, thank you.

02:46:02.000 So, you know, I understand that there is a potential threat, you know, if Trump is perp walked or, you know, if he's put in jail.

02:46:11.000 I had a kind of a similar thought, but kind of the opposite direction.

02:46:15.000 And that is, I just kind of hope nothing happens to this DA.

02:46:20.000 Or this judge who are potentially going to be, you know, leading this case against him because that could really spark, you know, some violence.

02:46:29.000 And, you know, they're going to blame, it's the false flag scenario, January 6th type event, you know, to really get people activated and violent against Trump supporters again.

02:46:41.000 And, you know, I know that's not likely a scenario, but I just had a thought about that and wanted to see what you thought.

02:46:48.000 Well, I will tell you this, that would be on theme, because as I've said, as some of the callers have said, it feels like 2016 all over again.

02:46:57.000 I mean, it feels like we're reliving 2016 all over again, and that was one of the major stories from 2016, was the Democrats and the liberal media promoting violence against Trump supporters.

02:47:07.000 We all saw it, we all witnessed it, out in the streets, at events, what have you.

02:47:11.000 So there's no doubt, I mean, We'll probably get that whether or not there is such a horrific story like what you're insinuating could happen.

02:47:22.000 I think we'll probably get that no matter what.

02:47:24.000 However, they'd love to have some sort of a secondary January 6th incitement point that they can lie about and gaslight on.

02:47:35.000 And use that to foment more violence.

02:47:37.000 I mean, it's just like what they're doing with this trans thing, saying trans people are the victims after a trans person kills six people, saying trans people are being genocided, and none of it's true, and so what do they do is they stir up trans people to go out and commit violence, that are already mentally on edge, and so that's why they go up and they shoot six people in a school, and then they say, nope, that person, that murderer is The victim. 0.66

02:48:03.000 So there's no doubt that's in their playbook.

02:48:05.000 I wouldn't be surprised if they do something like that, whether or not there actually is a moment of violence or God forbid something bad happens to one of these Democrats.

02:48:16.000 Ryan, thanks for the call.

02:48:17.000 Let's go to Jeremiah in Ohio.

02:48:19.000 Jeremiah, you're on the air.

02:48:20.000 here go ahead. I'm sorry we just got you on.

02:48:29.000 Go ahead.

02:48:30.000 Oh, no, you're good.

02:48:32.000 Yeah, I just had a quick point with Trump is we need that January 6th energy pre-January 6th.

02:48:41.000 Everybody, I was there.

02:48:43.000 We were all hyped up.

02:48:44.000 It was, you know, good vibes everywhere.

02:48:46.000 Everybody was supporting Trump.

02:48:48.000 People don't realize when you drain this swamp, this giant pool of muddy, nasty water, you put a little hole in it.

02:48:55.000 It's going to take some time to drain, you know, all those nasty You know, like the Clintons.

02:49:02.000 You got the Gates, you got, you know, the whole political system.

02:49:04.000 Like the caller earlier, the three branches of government.

02:49:08.000 You know, it's...

02:49:09.000 We need to...

02:49:11.000 We need to realize that he did a lot of good things for us.

02:49:14.000 And the last thing is, when are we getting some Owen Schroer merch?

02:49:17.000 We need a clown-rolled shirt.

02:49:19.000 Well, maybe we'll have a clown-rolled shirt.

02:49:24.000 But, um...

02:49:27.000 Alright, Jeremiah, thanks for the call.

02:49:28.000 Let's go to Greg in Florida.

02:49:29.000 Greg, you're on the air, go ahead.

02:49:32.000 Hey Owen, how are ya?

02:49:34.000 Good, thanks for calling.

02:49:35.000 Okay, buddy.

02:49:37.000 Couple things.

02:49:38.000 I just wanted to make some comments on some guys, Irish people, your last segment or two ago.

02:49:46.000 Man, you know, they're Trump-bashing, talking about karma and this and that.

02:49:49.000 Are you kidding me?

02:49:50.000 This guy, he's a tough guy.

02:49:54.000 I used to do business with some guys years and years ago when Trump was the real estate mogul that did business with him.

02:50:00.000 And I hear stories the guy was a good guy.

02:50:03.000 He's done a great amount of good for the country.

02:50:07.000 And that's what the swamped these Democrats on his back 24 hours a day.

02:50:12.000 I mean, man, let's just buckle down and get this guy Elected, if elected is even the word, because I mean, how's he going to get in there?

02:50:25.000 Well here's the thing, we've done the logistics, and I'm not going to go to the big board right now, but I mean, we've done the logistics, and unless they can clean up the system in Georgia, and in Pennsylvania, and in Michigan, and in Arizona, Then I don't think Trump has any way to win.

02:50:46.000 I really don't.

02:50:47.000 I mean, you'd like to see a Ronald Reagan sweep like we saw a couple decades ago, but I don't think so.

02:50:56.000 These elections are so rigged now.

02:51:00.000 that it's you're just not going to see that and so unless they fix whatever

02:51:05.000 goes on in Philadelphia whatever goes on in Phoenix whatever goes on in Detroit

02:51:10.000 and whatever goes on in Atlanta that put those Democrats ahead at 2 a.m. in the

02:51:14.000 morning every time unless that's fixed I actually don't think there is a way for

02:51:19.000 Trump to win I I really don't. Hey Owen did you see the movie 10 years ago

02:51:25.000 10 years or so ago with Nicolas Cage called warlord [AUDIO OUT]

02:51:30.000 Lord of War, yeah.

02:51:32.000 Lord of War, I'm sorry.

02:51:33.000 Okay, the one guy down there in the African country, I was just watching it again last night, like, you know, I like the movie.

02:51:40.000 By the way, the main character in that movie was a Ukrainian.

02:51:44.000 I don't know.

02:51:44.000 I mean, they say it's based on a true story.

02:51:45.000 He said for all these years I need the arms to protect myself my people

02:51:50.000 Because I'm the one that fixes all the elections down here By the way the main character in that movie was a Ukrainian

02:52:00.000 I Don't know. I mean they say it's based on a true story

02:52:03.000 I don't know if there was they might be actually based off a Russian

02:52:05.000 I got a lot of good Ukrainian friends and Russian friends And you know so I get I get some news from those people

02:52:12.000 over there. That's not at all What you're seeing on Main Street.

02:52:16.000 Oh, of course not.

02:52:17.000 And Trump is the only person who would probably be able to get that situation rectified, at least in the short term, and stop a war.

02:52:26.000 I don't know if there's anyone else that can get in that would have that ability.

02:52:29.000 And I've said this before, that's actually the main reason why I would still vote Trump.

02:52:34.000 Is because he's the only person that can repair the damage that's been done internationally.

02:52:39.000 He's the only person that can try to right the wrongs geopolitically.

02:52:43.000 It might be too late though now with the BRICS expanding and the Russia-China alliance strengthening.

02:52:48.000 It might even be too late even if we did get Trump in.

02:52:51.000 But he's the only one that could potentially rectify that to me.

02:52:54.000 Alright, that does it for the Alex Jones Show.

02:52:56.000 War Room coming up next.

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02:53:08.000 and living forever and the secrets of the universe and they want to know all this.

02:53:12.000 Some are good, some are bad, some are a mix.

02:53:14.000 But the good ones don't ever want to organize.

02:53:17.000 The bad ones don't want to organize because they lust after power.

02:53:20.000 Powerful consciousnesses don't want to dominate other people. 0.90

02:53:23.000 They want to empower them so they don't tend to get together until things are really late in the game.

02:53:27.000 Then they come together.

02:53:28.000 Evil is always defeated because good is so much stronger.

02:53:31.000 And we're on this planet, and Einstein's physics showed it, Max Planck's physics showed it, oh, there's at least 12 dimensions.

02:53:37.000 And now that's why all the top scientists and billionaires are coming out and saying, it's a false hologram.

02:53:41.000 It is artificial.

02:53:43.000 The computers are scanning it and finding tension points where it's artificially projected, and gravity's bleeding in to this universe.

02:53:52.000 That's what they call dark matter.

02:53:54.000 So we're like a thought or a dream that's a wisp in some computer program, some God's mind, whatever.

02:54:00.000 They're proving it all.

02:54:01.000 It's all coming out.

02:54:02.000 Now, there's like this sub-transmission zone below the third dimension that's just turned over to the most horrible things is what it resonates to.

02:54:10.000 And it's trying to get up into the third dimension that's just a basic level consciousness to launch into the next levels.

02:54:17.000 And our species is already way up in the fifth, sixth dimension, consciously, our best people.

02:54:21.000 But there's this big war trying to like basically destroy humanity because humanity has free will

02:54:27.000 and there's a decision to which level we want to go to. We have free will,

02:54:31.000 so evil's allowed to come and contend, not just good. And the elites themselves

02:54:36.000 believe they're racing, using human technology to try to take our best minds and build some

02:54:43.000 type of breakaway civilization where they're going to merge with machines, transcend,

02:54:49.000 and break away from the failed species that is man, which is kind of like a false transmission

02:54:53.000 because they're thinking what they are is ugly and bad, projecting it onto themselves instead

02:54:57.000 of believing, no, it's a human test about building us up.

02:55:01.000 And so Google was set up 18, 19 years ago.

02:55:04.000 This was, I knew about this before it was declassified.

02:55:05.000 I'm just saying I have good sources.

02:55:07.000 that they wanted to build a giant artificial system and Google believes that the first artificial intelligence will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activities of the hive mind of humanity with billions of people wired into it with the internet of things and so all of our thoughts go into it and we're actually building a computer that has real neurons in real time that's also psychically connected to us that are organic creatures so that They will have current prediction powers, future prediction powers, a true crystal ball.

02:55:39.000 But the big secret is, once you have a crystal ball and know the future, you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that control the future.

02:55:48.000 And so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals, as we know.

02:55:53.000 And a true 2.0 in a very bad way, high of mind consciousness, with an AI jacked into everyone, knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us, not in some PKD wire-head system, where we plug in and give up on consciousness because of unlimited pleasure, but because we were already wired in and absorbed before we knew it by giving over our consciousness to this system, our daily decisions, that it was able to manipulate and control into a larger system.

02:56:17.000 There's now a human counter-strike taking place.

02:56:20.000 To shut this off before it gets fully into place, and to block these systems, and to try to have an actual debate about where humanity goes, and cut off the pedophiles and psychic vampires that are in control of this AI system before humanity is destroyed.

02:56:34.000 Right.

02:56:34.000 But this is an interdimensional force that wants to influence us to build something that absorbs us and kills us, rather than the divine free will we're given to build something much better that empowers the species.

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Alex Jones Show - March 31, 2023

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