Alex Jones Show - 20240106_Sat_Alex

00:00:00.000 Jump into it.

00:00:00.000 I want to introduce our panel of incredible people, as I said earlier, and I'm going to start from the end and give you guys a chance to introduce yourselves.

00:00:06.000 We have Ed Krasenstein.

00:00:08.000 Yeah, how's it going?

00:00:09.000 I'm Ed Krasenstein.

00:00:10.000 You know me on X at Ed Krasen, also the twin brother of Brian.

00:00:15.000 Thanks for pointing out that it's Krasenstein, not Krasenstein.

00:00:18.000 Well, it can actually be either.

00:00:20.000 You can do Krasenstein or Krasenstein, and I really don't care what you use.

00:00:23.000 It's Frankenstein, not Stein!

00:00:25.000 Or Frankenstein.

00:00:27.000 That was Alex Jones, if you didn't know.

00:00:29.000 We also have Brian Krasenstein.

00:00:31.000 Hey Ian, it's great to be here.

00:00:33.000 I'm Brian Krasenstein, known as Krasenstein on X. Ed's slightly better looking and more intelligent twin brother.

00:00:43.000 And modest as well.

00:00:43.000 Probably the most modest of the Krasensteins.

00:00:45.000 Next to Brian, we have Stephen Bonnell, known as Destiny.

00:00:49.000 What's happening, man?

00:00:51.000 Hey, what's up?

00:00:51.000 You know me on YouTube at Destiny.

00:00:53.000 My real life name is Stephen and I scream and shout at people on the internet for a living.

00:00:56.000 Next to this dude, we got Alex Jones.

00:01:00.000 Alex, explain yourself.

00:01:02.000 Well, I don't think I probably needed much of an introduction, but I was there on January 6th and I saw what happened.

00:01:11.000 It's a very important discussion we're about to have tonight.

00:01:13.000 I'm glad everybody came.

00:01:14.000 We need to have more of this, not just left and right, but just different groups of people debating and discussing.

00:01:20.000 I'm really glad that Zero Hedge and their great subscription service, people supporting it, is financing this.

00:01:27.000 And so you're going to see a lot more of this, people supporting Zero Hedge.

00:01:30.000 And so I'm just honored to be here with you guys in Austin, Texas.

00:01:34.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:34.000 Shout out to Zero Hedge.

00:01:35.000 Great company.

00:01:36.000 Great people, too.

00:01:36.000 Really great people involved with the company.

00:01:38.000 And to your left, my right, Darren Beattie.

00:01:40.000 What's happening, man?

00:01:41.000 Yeah.

00:01:41.000 Great to be here, thank you.

00:01:42.000 I'm Darren Beattie.

00:01:44.000 I run a news site called revolver.news, which is reported extensively on January 6th, and you can also see me on X at Darren J. Beattie.

00:01:53.000 And you're a Trump advisor and speechwriter.

00:01:56.000 Yes.

00:01:56.000 And a former professor, and you help quarterback a lot of the groundbreaking stuff that Tucker Carlson put up.

00:02:03.000 Indeed.

00:02:04.000 So I'll send you praises.

00:02:05.000 Thank you.

00:02:05.000 And we also have, coming in remote, live, Glenn Greenwald from your studio in Brazil.

00:02:10.000 What's happening, Glenn?

00:02:12.000 Hey everybody, Glenn Greenwald, I'm a journalist, I'm the host of System Update on Rumble.

00:02:17.000 I had planned to be there in person, a little logistical problems intervened and I wish I could be, but I'm really looking forward to participating.

00:02:23.000 And I just want to echo Alex, I think what Zero Hedge is doing is so important, organizing these kind of substantive, structured debates among people who obviously disagree pretty strongly on things and yet nonetheless can have what I hope will be a civil and spirited debate, what I expect It will be, so I'm really looking forward to it and I appreciate being asked.

00:02:40.000 Yes, that is my job, is to make sure that it maintains civility, structure, organization, and that we don't talk over each other, that we end up listening to each other.

00:02:47.000 The real value of humanity, one of the most powerful tools we have is communication, so I think tonight's going to be an exemplary example of that.

00:02:55.000 Let's go, let's go, let's go for this.

00:02:58.000 The first question I got for you guys, and this is really for the entire panel, and anyone that wants to start it off, maybe we can start with you Edson, just because you're on the end and we can move around, is January 6, 2021.

00:03:07.000 Was it an insurrection?

00:03:09.000 And before you answer, before you answer, I want to read this.

00:03:11.000 This is actually what the, it's called 18 U.S.

00:03:15.000 Code 2383, rebellion or insurrection.

00:03:17.000 Yeah, let me do an overhead shot.

00:03:19.000 This is right out of Cornell Law here.

00:03:21.000 Alright, I'm going to start reading this.

00:03:21.000 Excellent.

00:03:22.000 This is according to the U.S.

00:03:23.000 It technically doesn't define insurrection.

00:03:23.000 Code.

00:03:25.000 sites sets on foot assists or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against

00:03:29.000 the authority of the united states or the laws thereof

00:03:32.000 orgies aid or comfort there too shall be fined under this title or in prison not more than

00:03:37.000 ten years or both and shall be incapable of holding any office under the

00:03:41.000 united states it technically doesn't define insurrection it's the code

00:03:45.000 talking about but by this what an insurrection is of course they use the

00:03:49.000 word insurrection in the actual code itself

00:03:51.000 But what do you think?

00:03:52.000 Do you guys think it was an insurrection?

00:03:54.000 So I personally believe it was an insurrection.

00:03:58.000 And I base that on the fact that 20 court decisions called it an insurrection.

00:04:02.000 And the fact that there was a bill passed in the Senate that called them a mob of insurrectionists.

00:04:08.000 I think the bill passed, or it was in the House of Representatives, 406 to 21.

00:04:12.000 That was a statute to award the police officers medals.

00:04:17.000 And it referred to these individuals as insurrectionists.

00:04:20.000 So, I mean, I think the term can be subjective.

00:04:25.000 I think, you know, People can say nobody was charged with violating Section 2383 of Title 18, which is the insurrection and rebellion statute.

00:04:38.000 And nobody was, right?

00:04:40.000 But I don't think that defines whether the event was an insurrection.

00:04:45.000 When I say insurrection, I don't mean everybody there was partaking in an insurrection.

00:04:51.000 There were people who were peaceful.

00:04:53.000 The people who walked into the Capitol and did nothing, I don't think that they were insurrectionists.

00:04:59.000 I think they violated the law, but I don't think they were partaking in an insurrection.

00:05:03.000 I do think the Proud Boys were partaking in an insurrection.

00:05:07.000 I think you could say Donald Trump incited the insurrection.

00:05:10.000 I do.

00:05:12.000 Destiny, what do you think, man?

00:05:14.000 I would say the plot from start to finish is quite obviously an insurrection.

00:05:18.000 The only way to get around that is to either justify an insurrection, which is what most conservatives do, they don't realize it, or to deny that an insurrection could ever happen.

00:05:28.000 Or, if you're not aware of all the facts of what happened.

00:05:30.000 i think that donald trump and his cronies had a very coherent plan that

00:05:33.000 they tried to enact from start to finish starting with false claims of voter fraud

00:05:37.000 leading to false slates of electors that filed themselves as state electors under

00:05:42.000 perjury which is what they did up to the violence that happened on the day of the uh... on

00:05:47.000 the day of the certification of vote

00:05:49.000 where donald trump has friends continue to try to delay the peaceful transfer of

00:05:52.000 power by contravening the certification of the electoral college vote

00:05:56.000 and what i want to make sure that we don't forced this into like what they

00:06:00.000 want to call a debate debate we have a way to call daughter because on or 0.92

00:06:03.000 So if any of you guys, Glenn, you as well, man, if any of you guys want to jump in.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, two of them just went.

00:06:09.000 I want Glenn to go, but I just want to say something here.

00:06:12.000 I was there.

00:06:13.000 And I was investigated and subpoenaed by the Justice Department in at least five criminal

00:06:18.000 investigations and I was forced to testify in front of the Jan 6th Committee, which they've

00:06:22.000 now been destroying their records because the records show the opposite of what they

00:06:26.000 said.

00:06:27.000 Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme Court.

00:06:30.000 He was supposed to have another rally there.

00:06:32.000 We showed up.

00:06:33.000 Before Trump ever finished his speech, people were getting tear gassed and hit by bullets

00:06:37.000 and there were a bunch of provocateurs leading an attack against the police and they broke

00:06:41.000 through.

00:06:42.000 And then this million plus people then got blamed as insurrectionists and Biden gave

00:06:45.000 a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists.

00:06:48.000 So by that extension, Kamala Harris as the VP candidate was bailing people out of jail

00:06:54.000 that burned down police stations and firebombed federal buildings.

00:06:57.000 So and then the idea of Biden's speech yesterday, making his whole campaign about January 6th

00:07:02.000 saying political violence is never good.

00:07:05.000 The Democrats are the ones that call for political violence.

00:07:07.000 So I was there with a bullhorn, but I could only reach 100 yards out when the tear gas

00:07:11.000 was hitting me saying, don't go in, don't fight the police.

00:07:14.000 This is a setup and we have hundreds of videos.

00:07:17.000 And so regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there.

00:07:20.000 People taking off their antifa stuff and putting on the the the Trump garb and and the police

00:07:27.000 fake arresting people, attacking them and then high fiving them.

00:07:31.000 I mean, this has all come out in the new footage and it's all... Fake arresting them.

00:07:35.000 How were they fake? They would grab them and arrest them and then drag them in and high-five them, you know,

00:07:39.000 take the handcuffs off and high-five them. Those videos, what people are gonna take everything I say,

00:07:42.000 they're gonna put it on X and show what I said. That's where we dominate.

00:07:46.000 Yeah, and so, and so, and so what I'm getting at here, let me just, let me just tell you this.

00:07:49.000 What I'm getting at here is, they now admit hundreds of federal officers were there.

00:07:54.000 So when Trump started his speech, this whole thing began with Ray Epps saying go into the Capitol. He told the Jan 6th

00:08:00.000 committee, yeah, it's true, it's in his text messages, he told family,

00:08:04.000 I orchestrated it. So under pressure, they finally indicted him, but only recommend six months.

00:08:07.000 So...

00:08:08.000 A few hundred people got manipulated into fighting the police.

00:08:12.000 They were led and driven by provocateurs and other groups.

00:08:15.000 They were others, then they opened the doors and the police waved them in in hundreds of videos.

00:08:19.000 They walked through the velvet ropes and then they indict over a thousand people that just walked through velvet ropes.

00:08:25.000 And then now we're told in the National Security Directive of President Biden, the number one threat is the American people.

00:08:31.000 And he had a declaration of war yesterday against all Trump supporters and says to protect democracy, we're not going to let you vote for Trump.

00:08:38.000 So as Stalin said, I care not who cast the votes.

00:08:41.000 I care who counts them.

00:08:42.000 Well, Biden doesn't care who cast the votes.

00:08:44.000 He cares who's allowed on the ballot.

00:08:46.000 So we've already won.

00:08:48.000 No one's buying this.

00:08:50.000 And when this happened three years ago, The Wall Street Journal had a printer retraction, but they said I was there as a coward telling people to attack.

00:08:57.000 Well, no, they wouldn't let me put the video on Twitter before I was saying don't go in.

00:09:02.000 But the truth is it's coming out.

00:09:05.000 And so so that's the bottom line here.

00:09:07.000 And this attempt by Biden to.

00:09:10.000 Cast the American people as the enemy in all these movies about martial law and civil war and race war.

00:09:16.000 That's their only hope.

00:09:18.000 Because the corrupt, evil Democratic Party and its evil twin, the Republicans, they've lost power and populism is rising.

00:09:26.000 Quite frankly, this was not an insurrection.

00:09:28.000 It was an insurrection that would have been guns.

00:09:30.000 And it's in the Declaration of Independence that it's our right and duty to get rid of a government that's destructive of what the people want. But I'm not calling for violence. We're

00:09:39.000 winning this politically, but we're being cast as about to be violent

00:09:42.000 the next 10 months because all these indictments and all these attacks to not

00:09:46.000 let Americans vote for who they want aren't working and are backfiring. And all the big Democrat

00:09:51.000 lawyers now admit it. Axelrod admits it.

00:09:53.000 Carville admits it.

00:09:55.000 They all admit this attempt, like we're in Venezuela or something, to take Trump off the ballot when he's never been convicted of insurrection.

00:10:03.000 This is a military tribunal U.S.

00:10:05.000 code from the Civil War.

00:10:07.000 If a military tribunal found you were guilty of being involved in insurrection, that meant after the war ended... Can I ask you a question?

00:10:15.000 Alex, can I ask you a question?

00:10:16.000 Yeah.

00:10:17.000 So, do you think the Confederates during the Civil War were partaking in insurrection?

00:10:25.000 I mean, in retrospect, because I wasn't alive then, I think the South got manipulated into that.

00:10:30.000 I thought there was real issues from the North and South.

00:10:32.000 The abolitionists, you know, had a good point, and slavery needed to end.

00:10:37.000 But it was really about... So just to be clear, the person that's defending the J6 rioters won't say that the Confederate states were engaged in insurrection. 0.63

00:10:45.000 No, that's not what I... See, here's what happens.

00:10:47.000 Hold on, that's not true.

00:10:52.000 That's what it sounded like you said.

00:10:53.000 Well, you can correct the record.

00:10:53.000 So do you think they were engaged in an insurrection?

00:10:55.000 No, I was trying to talk.

00:10:57.000 And the thing I said was, I think the South was wrong.

00:10:59.000 And then you just said...

00:11:02.000 You just said that I support what the South did.

00:11:05.000 No.

00:11:05.000 I didn't say you supported that.

00:11:06.000 I said that you said that they weren't engaged in insurrection.

00:11:08.000 Do you think the Confederate States were engaged in insurrection?

00:11:10.000 The Insurrection Act was that because there were rebellions during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War and they were saying if you lead an uprising against the Northern Occupation of the South, you're precluded from running from office because they were worried about Southerners getting office again like Jefferson.

00:11:27.000 No, so no, I do not support the Civil War or slavery and I'm not a quote confederate.

00:11:31.000 But was it an insurrection?

00:11:33.000 My question is was it an insurrection, yes or no?

00:11:36.000 If you were... no, no, no.

00:11:39.000 The law... yes, I think that it was a civil war and you can say an insurrection.

00:11:44.000 Okay, so it was an insurrection.

00:11:45.000 Did anybody get charged with insurrection and rebellion?

00:11:48.000 What I'm saying is... Violating the statute.

00:11:50.000 You're not listening.

00:11:51.000 No, I'm asking, you just said it was an insurrection.

00:11:53.000 Did anybody get charged with violating the insurrection and rebellion statute?

00:11:57.000 Yes, people did.

00:11:58.000 No, because there was no statute there.

00:12:00.000 That's my point.

00:12:03.000 You don't need to violate that statute in order to be partaking in an insurrection, because the Civil War was an insurrection, and nobody got charged with violating that.

00:12:12.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

00:12:13.000 That's my point, Alex.

00:12:15.000 You're changing the subject.

00:12:17.000 Democratic Party lawyers on CNN say you have to be convicted under the 14th Amendment of this before you can be.

00:12:25.000 You can't, you can't just because... You don't get convicted under the 14th Amendment.

00:12:30.000 You get convicted under Section 2383 of Title 18.

00:12:32.000 Let's slow down a little.

00:12:33.000 Let's slow down a little.

00:12:34.000 A congressional resolution to give awards to Capitol Police is not a conviction of Donald

00:12:41.000 Trump to remove him from the ballot.

00:12:44.000 He's been indicted for saying they stole an election.

00:12:46.000 So now they want to take him off the ballot so you can't vote for him, which is pure stealing

00:12:51.000 of an election.

00:12:52.000 I think this is not...

00:12:53.000 He's the Yankee Yankee. 0.70

00:12:55.000 He's not somebody in Georgia!

00:12:57.000 He's not Robert E. Lee!

00:12:59.000 This has nothing to do with it!

00:13:01.000 On the 14th Amendment, it doesn't require a conviction under Section 3.

00:13:04.000 You can literally put it on the text on the screen.

00:13:07.000 It does not say it needs to be convicted.

00:13:09.000 I guess we need to define the difference.

00:13:10.000 Alex, Alex, Alex.

00:13:12.000 One second, one second.

00:13:13.000 We need to define the difference between the casual term insurrection and the legal definition of insurrection.

00:13:18.000 Yes.

00:13:18.000 Well, there's another thing we need to talk about.

00:13:20.000 So, yes, there's the casual term, there's the etymology of the term insurrection, which simply suggests a rising up.

00:13:28.000 So by that definition, that could encompass a wide range of things.

00:13:33.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:13:34.000 So there's a rising up.

00:13:37.000 Then there's the legal definition, but we have politically weaponized court systems, so that's not even, I think, a proper standard.

00:13:45.000 I think the proper standard is the sweep of a proper historical perspective.

00:13:52.000 Does the event of January 6th compare to the antecedent that we've been discussing, the Civil War?

00:14:00.000 So if the question is, oh, is Civil War an insurrection, my question is, is the scope It's a lie on it's face.

00:14:08.000 of January 6th comparable to the Civil War because Joe Biden has directly made

00:14:12.000 this comparison which I think is flatly ridiculous and that comparison has to be

00:14:17.000 valid in order for these ridiculous section 3 arguments to have any force

00:14:23.000 or legitimacy. I think any common sense... It's a lie on its face. It's a lie, I'm gonna shut up.

00:14:28.000 It's a lie on its face. They say it's bigger than Pearl Harbor in 9/11. That is

00:14:32.000 bullshit.

00:14:34.000 So here, let me finish what my point is.

00:14:37.000 Yeah, do that, and then I want to go to Glenn for a second after you do that.

00:14:39.000 So my point is that, two things.

00:14:41.000 The Civil War was an insurrection.

00:14:42.000 I think it's hard to argue that.

00:14:44.000 Nobody got charged with a crime of violating the Insurrection and Rebellion Statute, 2383.

00:14:51.000 What about 1992, the L.A.

00:14:54.000 riots?

00:14:55.000 George Herbert Walker Bush, he invoked the Insurrection Act.

00:15:00.000 12,000 people were arrested, 63 people were killed, hundreds were injured.

00:15:05.000 Was that an insurrection?

00:15:06.000 What do you guys think?

00:15:08.000 It's a declaration of federal martial law.

00:15:10.000 But was it an insurrection?

00:15:12.000 Because nobody there was charged with violating...

00:15:15.000 Nobody there was charged with violating Section 2383, the Insurrection and Rebellion Statute.

00:15:20.000 But we still consider that an insurrection, right?

00:15:22.000 I mean, by that yardstick, Kamala Harris bailing out people that firebombed federal buildings. 0.65

00:15:26.000 That is not true.

00:15:27.000 Glenn, talk to me.

00:15:28.000 You have something to say.

00:15:30.000 Yeah, I actually think what Destiny and what Ed are saying are very important.

00:15:34.000 First of all, I was going to say that I think one of the problems with how these things are debated is that a lot of people these days have very binary prisms for understanding things.

00:15:42.000 A lot of that comes from YouTube debate, where you have to declare yourself on one side or the other.

00:15:46.000 So Destiny said, oh, everybody either hates this insurrection, thinks it's an insurrection, or they deny it happens, or they think it's good.

00:15:55.000 And there's so much middle ground.

00:15:56.000 Namely that, for me, This was a political protest that spilled over into a riot where a small minority of the people engaged in violence.

00:16:05.000 I don't think we want to urge that to happen.

00:16:07.000 We don't want to defend that.

00:16:08.000 I consider that lamentable.

00:16:10.000 But the fact that it's laughable to call this an insurrection is actually demonstrated by the examples that they're using.

00:16:16.000 This was a three-hour riot that was extremely easily subdued.

00:16:21.000 It doesn't remotely compare to any prior insurrections, let alone to the Civil War.

00:16:27.000 The only people who were killed on January 6th were four people, all four of whom were Trump supporters, two of whom dropped dead of a heart attack and one from a speed overdose, because these were not exactly a well-trained militia.

00:16:41.000 And when Jack Smith went to charge Donald Trump with multiple crimes, he had a lot of options to charge him with, and he charged him with a lot of crimes, including very dubious ones.

00:16:51.000 He did not charge him with inciting an insurrection for reasons that I think we ought to ask ourselves why.

00:16:57.000 But the fact that this is such a minor event in history is demonstrated by the fact that

00:17:02.000 the media who needed this to be a major event immediately started lying about what happened,

00:17:07.000 saying that Brian Sicknick was murdered when he had his head bashed in through a fight

00:17:12.000 with a fire extinguisher, only to learn that actually he called his mother that night.

00:17:16.000 He was fine, he died the next day of what the coroner said were natural causes.

00:17:20.000 Because the media knew that if you can't say that even one person supposedly perpetrating

00:17:26.000 the insurrection killed anybody, pulled out a gun, let alone discharged a weapon.

00:17:31.000 All of which is true.

00:17:32.000 It's a joke to call this an insurrection.

00:17:34.000 At best, it's a riot.

00:17:36.000 And that's the reason why Trump hasn't been charged with an insurrection.

00:17:39.000 The only time he ever commented on January 6th about whether he thought there should be violence or not was when he said the following.

00:17:47.000 He said, I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

00:17:55.000 He urged them to be peaceful in how they went there.

00:17:59.000 To the extent there was violence, I think you can make the argument that the FBI informants, that even the New York Times admits were there, were the ones that urged it.

00:18:05.000 But even if the people who were there were the ones responsible, at best this is a riot.

00:18:10.000 You could so easily make the case that the 2020 riots Where it's a far greater insurrectionary threat than

00:18:15.000 anything that happened on January 6th.

00:18:17.000 That's perfectly said. I would ask the left over here, I know Ian's asked the questions.

00:18:22.000 I mean, I don't know, did you guys see Biden's speech? I mean it was an hour long

00:18:26.000 that no one there was good. They were all there, a million, over a million people. I was there.

00:18:31.000 And then we marched down there to have another rally and then I see this

00:18:35.000 hell, this terrible thing happening.

00:18:37.000 It was medieval.

00:18:38.000 And then Biden's saying, they're all bad, and we can't let you vote for Trump.

00:18:43.000 I mean, come on, man.

00:18:45.000 We have a clip from Biden's speech I want to play.

00:18:48.000 And then let's get back to you, Destiny.

00:18:49.000 You had something to say.

00:18:50.000 But if you guys have this, it's clip number four, Biden's speech.

00:18:54.000 This is from yesterday.

00:18:55.000 It's only 50 seconds, but let's load this up.

00:18:59.000 Trump's mob wasn't a peaceful protest.

00:19:02.000 It was a violent assault.

00:19:04.000 They were insurrectionists, not patriots.

00:19:08.000 They weren't there to uphold the Constitution.

00:19:10.000 They were there to destroy the Constitution.

00:19:15.000 Trump won't do what an American president must do.

00:19:18.000 He refuses to denounce political violence.

00:19:23.000 So hear me clearly.

00:19:25.000 I'll say what Donald Trump won't.

00:19:27.000 Political violence is never, ever acceptable in the United States.

00:19:31.000 Never, never, never.

00:19:34.000 It has no place in a democracy.

00:19:36.000 None.

00:19:37.000 You can't be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American.

00:19:44.000 Trump and his MAGA supporters not only embrace political violence, but they laugh about it.

00:19:49.000 The insurrection is the open border.

00:19:51.000 So the insurrection was not just the three-hour riot that happened at the White House afterwards.

00:19:55.000 I think that's the least charitable reading of everything that happened.

00:19:57.000 And that's not, if you read any of the charges that either Jack Smith or the Georgia-Rico case has alleged against Trump, are saying that, in fact, not much of the focus is on the three-hour riot at all.

00:20:07.000 Hold on, Alex.

00:20:08.000 Let Stephen finish his thought first.

00:20:12.000 Not much of those indictments are actually focusing on the three hour riot itself.

00:20:15.000 The unprecedented act that there is no answer for that Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have not engaged in is using knowingly false election claims for months to try to pressure state electors to change their vote and then when they wouldn't do that I can explain that if you want.

00:20:32.000 elect different electors and then when they wouldn't do that create a plot to

00:20:35.000 create fake electors and then when Pence wouldn't accept that try to

00:20:39.000 capitalize on that final three-hour riot at the Capitol building to also make

00:20:43.000 phone calls and tell people to decertify their vote or to switch their electors.

00:20:47.000 JFK, Obama, and alternate electors. No they didn't. I can explain that if you want.

00:20:54.000 Yeah please do. Right yeah so so in 19 what was it 1960 actually so 1960 JFK and

00:21:02.000 Nixon there was a dispute because there was a recount.

00:21:07.000 I think JFK ended up winning by like 150 votes.

00:21:10.000 At the time, each state decided, or the state decided to certify two sets of electors.

00:21:17.000 Decided to choose two different slates of electors.

00:21:21.000 Depending on how it went.

00:21:23.000 But they were certified by the states.

00:21:25.000 They were in the middle of a recount.

00:21:26.000 Well Trump tried to get us certified.

00:21:28.000 None of us were certified yet.

00:21:29.000 What happened with Trump was that Trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of conspiracy theory crap that Electrumistola...

00:21:46.000 He took it to court.

00:21:46.000 They did.

00:21:47.000 62 cases.

00:21:49.000 30 cases were looked at on merit.

00:21:51.000 So are they taking him off the ballot now?

00:21:55.000 That's a separate... Is the not purest form of election theft is taking someone off the ballot?

00:22:02.000 Alex, let's get back to the 1960s.

00:22:06.000 What happened was that they did a recount, and Kennedy ended up winning by, I think, 150 votes, and they chose the Kennedy electors, they certified the Kennedy electors, and Kennedy ended up winning that state.

00:22:18.000 That's what Trump said!

00:22:20.000 What Trump did was Trump tried to get the states to certify an alternate slate of electors.

00:22:26.000 They refused because the court said there's no no they're there.

00:22:31.000 And then when that didn't go through, Trump decided you get his own slate of electors above the states that were not certified and tried to use that to force Mike Pence to say that Joe Biden didn't win these electoral votes.

00:22:45.000 I just need to.

00:22:47.000 If we want to be precise in terms of the scope of the debate, I think it's about January 6th, and so the lead up to it might be relevant to some of the criminal indictments, but it's technically speaking outside the scope of the January 6th discussion.

00:23:03.000 If we're going to bring it into the discussion, I think there's an operative word there, knowingly.

00:23:09.000 And that's operative within the context of the charging documents, but the idea that Trump thought that he lost the election and he was knowingly lying and knowingly engaging.

00:23:24.000 No, he believes, I guarantee it, whether you believe it or not, Trump believes that the election was stolen and he was using the legal recourses available to him at the advice of his legal advisors.

00:23:39.000 That is not true.

00:23:41.000 Most of his legal advisors said that this idea was crazy.

00:23:49.000 If you search hard enough, if you search hard enough, you're going to find out.

00:23:55.000 that anybody to validate an opinion but what you've just done is what I opened

00:23:59.000 with which is saying he thought the election was stolen therefore he was

00:24:02.000 justified to engage in insurrection. That's the only...

00:24:07.000 That's for the Supreme Court to decide.

00:24:11.000 I'm telling you that's for the Supreme Court to decide.

00:24:14.000 According to section 3 of the 14th amendment... Why does the United

00:24:18.000 States sanction countries that take people off the ballot?

00:24:19.000 What? That's not even remotely relevant here.

00:24:22.000 Oh, okay, alright.

00:24:24.000 So you know what the United States would usually do?

00:24:28.000 If we do want insurrection, you'd know it.

00:24:30.000 It would probably be for things like circumventing the vote, like asking the Vice President, for instance, to unilaterally win the election.

00:24:35.000 That would be something that we might sanction another country for.

00:24:37.000 So you can't vote for somebody Because they make up a bunch of stuff, and he's not found guilty anywhere, but you guys just parrot it over again like two men.

00:24:44.000 If you don't like the Constitution, that's your fault, Alex.

00:24:47.000 If you don't like the Constitution, that's on you.

00:24:49.000 Really, then why are you saying that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?

00:24:52.000 Alex, why did you say that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?

00:24:55.000 Can we put the text on stream?

00:24:57.000 I would love to do that, actually.

00:24:58.000 Put the text up.

00:24:59.000 Because you keep saying you're... Alright, guys.

00:25:03.000 I don't care what it's based on.

00:25:05.000 Let's uh, let's... That's why no one won! 0.96

00:25:07.000 Let's hear from Glenn.

00:25:08.000 Let's hear from Glenn.

00:25:09.000 We'll slow down.

00:25:11.000 Uh, this is a great conversation.

00:25:12.000 Glenn's about to drop some knowledge.

00:25:14.000 I'm dominating.

00:25:15.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 You're just talking a lot.

00:25:17.000 Glenn's in remote from Brazil, so Glenn, anytime you have something to say, it's helpful for me if I see a visual cue, maybe your hand goes up, I can tell you have something you're gonna say now, but let us know.

00:25:26.000 Let me just say, what happens is when you Gather together to debate a particular question.

00:25:31.000 You're supposed to debate that particular question.

00:25:34.000 The particular question that we were presented with is we're going to debate January 6th and whether it was an insurrection.

00:25:40.000 Now, I don't blame Destiny.

00:25:42.000 And Ed, for not wanting to debate that, for wanting to debate a whole set of other issues about whether Trump acted improperly, whether he was naughty and the things he did after the election, because there is no argument to make that what happened on January 6th rises to the level of insurrection, and that's why an extremely aggressive prosecutor named Jack Smith Decided not to charge Donald Trump with that crime because he knew there was no way that he could possibly bring a conviction against anybody let alone Donald Trump who told everybody to be peaceful when going to the Capitol.

00:26:14.000 about whether or not that was actually an insurrection, whether that rose to that level.

00:26:17.000 And even in a colloquial sense, what we called an insurrection in the past

00:26:21.000 is in a completely different universe. But on the issue of whether there was a real belief

00:26:26.000 on the part of Donald Trump that elections were stolen, I don't understand how anybody

00:26:30.000 could doubt that aside from the fact that you have to get into Trump's head.

00:26:32.000 In the last three elections that Democrats lost in 2000, 2004, and 2016, a very large number of

00:26:40.000 Democrats believed and asserted that the election was stolen, that the election was stolen and was

00:26:45.000 the byproduct of fraud and the president was as a result illegitimate.

00:26:48.000 When I started writing about politics, did that have a vibe?

00:26:51.000 The idea that George Bush was the real loser of the election, Al Gore won, was the view of every single liberal and Democrat that I knew.

00:26:57.000 In 2004, there were objections claiming that Karl Rove had interfered in the Ohio vote with the Diebold machines and cheated to make John Kerry lose and George Bush win.

00:27:08.000 And then in 2016, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats said that Donald Trump was the illegitimate winner, that Russia had helped him, and they tried to convince the Electoral College to abandon the certified results of the state.

00:27:20.000 Obviously, you go back to 1960, and a lot of historians believe that election was stolen.

00:27:26.000 So it's not like Donald Trump was the first person to ever wonder or believe that an election was stolen from him.

00:27:31.000 It's a very significant tradition in American political history.

00:27:34.000 If you know anything about politics before 2016, And if Trump believed that the election was stolen, and while it's true, a lot of people in the Justice Department and a lot of people in the White House told him they didn't think it was.

00:27:44.000 He did have advisors and lawyers telling him that they think there was evidence of it.

00:27:50.000 Then the question is over, even on these other issues about whether or not Trump engaged in some conspiracy against the United States.

00:27:56.000 But the issue is is January 6th an insurrection.

00:27:59.000 Well that's right, but Glenn, Glenn, since they've been...

00:28:01.000 Well hold on, let's respond to Glenn.

00:28:03.000 And these guys haven't talked to me, there's Professor B.

00:28:05.000 We, Hillary was in videos two days ago saying Trump's gonna steal this election. 0.93

00:28:11.000 So why are they allowed to say it?

00:28:13.000 It's free speech.

00:28:14.000 You don't get indicted for it.

00:28:15.000 Trump didn't get indicted for that.

00:28:17.000 They indicted him as they put it in the charging thing in Georgia saying he has the election.

00:28:17.000 Oh my god.

00:28:23.000 You're hoping people don't read the documents.

00:28:24.000 You can go read it.

00:28:25.000 It's a RICO case.

00:28:26.000 There's a bunch of behavior that is within a RICO case.

00:28:28.000 Oh my god.

00:28:29.000 It's self-illegal.

00:28:29.000 That's the point of a RICO case.

00:28:32.000 Talk about the differences.

00:28:33.000 So, Bush vs. Gore, what happens?

00:28:36.000 The Supreme Court ruled, and Gore conceded.

00:28:39.000 He stopped saying this election was stolen, he stopped saying, I won.

00:28:42.000 Oh, Supreme Court?

00:28:43.000 Yes.

00:28:44.000 Did Gore refuse to certify the vote?

00:28:45.000 I don't remember.

00:28:46.000 The vote was certified.

00:28:46.000 Did he do that?

00:28:47.000 Oh, he didn't have an alternative electorate?

00:28:49.000 Exactly.

00:28:50.000 After Trump wanted a Supreme Court hearing, Trump wanted the same thing!

00:28:54.000 62 cases were brought before judges.

00:28:58.000 And you said earlier, none of them are based on evidence.

00:29:01.000 Six of them were based on standing.

00:29:04.000 Out of the sixty- They wouldn't even hear it!

00:29:04.000 Six.

00:29:06.000 Do you know how many of them were Trump-appointed judges that made those rulings?

00:29:10.000 Seventeen.

00:29:11.000 So, six of them...

00:29:14.000 Let me finish here.

00:29:15.000 Six of them were based on standing.

00:29:18.000 Four of those that were based on standing, the judge also analyzed the merits and said there was no evidence or insufficient evidence.

00:29:25.000 So only two of them, and that was Texas versus Pennsylvania and Go-Mart versus Pence.

00:29:31.000 Do you know what those two cases were?

00:29:33.000 No, I know what the cases are.

00:29:35.000 Texas tried suing... No, I agree with you.

00:29:36.000 Biden says inflation is fine right now.

00:29:38.000 I agree with him.

00:29:39.000 Let me finish.

00:29:39.000 Texas tried suing...

00:29:41.000 Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, several other states, saying that the election was stolen.

00:29:46.000 And the judge said, no, Texas can't sue these other states.

00:29:50.000 Somebody in that state who was affected had to sue them.

00:29:54.000 Now, the other case was Gohmert versus Pence.

00:29:57.000 He challenged the Electoral Counts Act of 1807, saying that Pence could overturn the election.

00:30:04.000 He said that Pence would throw out electors.

00:30:06.000 I think that's wrong.

00:30:06.000 I agree with you.

00:30:07.000 I think that was a wrong legal theory.

00:30:08.000 Those are the only two that were based.

00:30:09.000 No, no, I agree with you on that.

00:30:11.000 But what I'm saying is, then if Biden's going to win so big, why can't Trump be on the ballot?

00:30:16.000 That's not up for Biden to decide.

00:30:17.000 That's up for the Supreme Court to decide.

00:30:18.000 Oh, no, Biden said he wants him off the ballot.

00:30:20.000 It doesn't matter what Biden says.

00:30:22.000 No!

00:30:22.000 I get it.

00:30:23.000 Trump lost.

00:30:24.000 That's why he can't have his race car on the track.

00:30:27.000 Yeah, this horse is going to lose so it can't be in the race.

00:30:31.000 Bull crap! 0.98

00:30:32.000 Who do you think has the authority then to determine the interpretation of Amendment 14?

00:30:36.000 Man, I know the State Department.

00:30:37.000 Why can't you answer a single question?

00:30:38.000 Why not just answer one question?

00:30:40.000 I'm just asking a simple question.

00:30:41.000 Who has the authority ultimately to decide it?

00:30:44.000 The President has not... Even on CNN, you don't let me talk.

00:30:48.000 Yeah, let Alex in, let Alex in.

00:30:48.000 let out. He's not gonna ramble. Even on CNN, the legal analysts say that you have to be

00:30:54.000 convicted. So, Destiny, you can sit there and have blue hair and be trendy and make 0.90

00:31:00.000 all these like, "The moon is made of cheese. I'm Destiny."

00:31:02.000 Every American knows you don't lose your rights when you're not convicted.

00:31:09.000 He's not been convicted!

00:31:11.000 And here's the good news, it's backfiring.

00:31:13.000 We have the Declaration of Independence, and we can vote for who we want to.

00:31:18.000 No you can't!

00:31:19.000 You can't vote for people under 35! 1.00

00:31:20.000 You can't vote for non-citizens! 1.00

00:31:22.000 Nobody stole the election, but you can't vote for who you want!

00:31:22.000 Can you?

00:31:33.000 We just beat this into the ground.

00:31:35.000 Alex, I need you.

00:31:36.000 We just crushed this one into the ground, but I want to ask the question in a slightly different way.

00:31:39.000 Was this an attempted coup?

00:31:41.000 Do you guys think this was an attempted coup?

00:31:42.000 Of course it was.

00:31:43.000 Obviously it was.

00:31:44.000 The Hunter Biden laptop.

00:31:46.000 Oh my god.

00:31:46.000 The weaponization hearings.

00:31:47.000 The censorship.

00:31:49.000 RussiaGat.

00:31:50.000 There's no Russian connection.

00:31:51.000 That's all different.

00:31:52.000 mRNA vaccines.

00:31:54.000 Take your extra.

00:31:55.000 I want you to take all the shots.

00:31:56.000 Global warming.

00:31:56.000 How many shots have you had?

00:31:58.000 None yet.

00:31:58.000 You want to take some?

00:31:59.000 No, I'll be taking them all.

00:32:00.000 I just want you to answer one question about any of this.

00:32:02.000 I want to see you take them all and enjoy yourself.

00:32:04.000 I've been talking about the Democrats more than the Republicans on the January 6th debate.

00:32:08.000 Isn't that wild?

00:32:09.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:32:09.000 They now admit that the shot erases your immune system and doesn't protect you.

00:32:14.000 So you do that little one-liner out here.

00:32:16.000 Yeah, yeah, let's stay back.

00:32:16.000 yeah let's let's let's stay back alright guys back to topic can't get a quiet but brian has a lot of so so is it a coup

00:32:26.000 and That's the question.

00:32:28.000 I think it can be debated that it was a coup.

00:32:34.000 Definitely, I would say it's an attempted coup.

00:32:36.000 The coup is flooding the boardroom.

00:32:40.000 District Judge, U.S.

00:32:41.000 District Judge David Carter actually evaluated the Trump-Eastman scheme and he said... We got some big news.

00:32:49.000 I'm not interrupting you.

00:32:50.000 No, no, no.

00:32:50.000 Not that yet.

00:32:52.000 Oh, but Glenn's going to speak after you.

00:32:54.000 I'm sorry, I'll shut up now.

00:32:57.000 So the federal judge, U.S.

00:32:58.000 District Judge David Carter, evaluated the Trump-Eastman scheme.

00:33:01.000 Another lawyer.

00:33:02.000 Which we can go into later.

00:33:04.000 But basically he said that it was, quote, a coup in search of a legal theory.

00:33:09.000 This is a federal judge.

00:33:11.000 We have a CIA coup over America.

00:33:14.000 Did the CIA kill Kennedy?

00:33:17.000 Judges aren't part of the CIA.

00:33:18.000 Are they?

00:33:19.000 I don't think so.

00:33:21.000 Is that a new theory of yours?

00:33:22.000 No, it's not a new theory of mine.

00:33:24.000 The whole thing is a big rotten... So they can find partisan... They found the Secretary of State of Maine took Trump off the ballot because she had one hearing in a YouTube video.

00:33:33.000 Are we ruled by this lady? 1.00

00:33:35.000 Can we not vote for who we want?

00:33:37.000 So one of the, I guess, defenses against it being a coup... Oh wait, we got Glenn.

00:33:43.000 Glenn speaking.

00:33:44.000 Go for it, man.

00:33:46.000 I actually want to ask a question that I would love to hear everybody's answer to.

00:33:50.000 But before I do that, I just want to say about federal judges.

00:33:53.000 This year, in the last six months, four different federal judges, a district court judge and then an appellate court unanimously, found that the Biden administration gravely violated the First Amendment.

00:34:02.000 In fact, the greatest assault on free speech the court set in decades.

00:34:06.000 Maybe the history of the judiciary by systemically pressuring big tech to censor the Internet and purge it of all dissent by threatening Big tech companies using the CIA, the FBI, and the CDC with punishment if they didn't censor the internet.

00:34:18.000 Now, you may not agree, but according to your standard, four different federal judges concluded that, which is infinitely worse in terms of an abridgment of freedom or an attack on the Constitution than anything that Trump is accused of doing.

00:34:29.000 That's not true.

00:34:30.000 That's not true.

00:34:30.000 That's a digital insurrection out of the deep state.

00:34:33.000 A digital insurrection.

00:34:34.000 Can I put a pin on something real quick?

00:34:36.000 I just wanted to be noted.

00:34:37.000 Hold up.

00:34:37.000 Everybody hold up.

00:34:38.000 Glenn, Glenn, please finish your point and then we're going to move on to the response.

00:34:43.000 The question that you asked Ian is, is this a coup?

00:34:46.000 If you look at how other coups are perpetrated, and I think a lot of this is that if you're an American and you have this very soft history, you don't know what a coup is.

00:34:54.000 You think that what CNN tells you a coup is a coup.

00:34:57.000 Usually the way coups work is the leader of the country, whoever is in charge of the military, orders the military to seize control of the levers of power.

00:35:05.000 Trump was the commander in chief on January 6th.

00:35:07.000 The military was duty bound to obey his orders.

00:35:10.000 They had a right to disobey if they were illegal, but If this were a coup, why didn't Trump order the military to seize control of power and turn over the election process to him?

00:35:21.000 Why didn't he order the armed factions that form the law enforcement part of the military and the executive branch that serve under his command to do that as well?

00:35:29.000 That's what happened to the coup.

00:35:30.000 That didn't happen here because Trump wasn't trying to perpetrate a coup.

00:35:34.000 He wanted the Department of Defense to seize voting machines and the DOJ turned him down.

00:35:40.000 The worst thing he did was try to take Biden off the ballot.

00:35:43.000 Remember when Trump said Biden cannot run and have the Justice Department take Biden off the ballot?

00:35:48.000 Oh God, that was Biden.

00:35:49.000 Sorry.

00:35:54.000 Biden doesn't have the authority to do that.

00:35:56.000 He still doesn't have the authority to do that.

00:35:58.000 The Supreme Court that Trump has his picks on, that's currently 6-3 conservative, they're the ones who are going to make the final decision on that.

00:36:04.000 I wanted to be known that every single time you try to talk about any of this stuff related to Trump, it's so many Democrat names that comes out of people's mouths.

00:36:10.000 I don't know why people can't just engage on the facts of what happened on and in the events leading up to June 6th.

00:36:16.000 Without having to invoke every other Democratic leader's name.

00:36:21.000 No, his name's Ding Dong.

00:36:22.000 Ding Dong, Destin, whatever it is.

00:36:24.000 The point is, I was there!

00:36:26.000 There was a million, over a million people, and they said police were attacking, and we got there like shooting tear gas, and then a bunch of feds helped break through with some idiots that got mad, had a brawl, and then the cops go, come on in!

00:36:37.000 Everybody come on in!

00:36:38.000 So Alex, Alex.

00:36:40.000 Everybody sees those videos now.

00:36:41.000 You call this the new Pearl Harbor, worse than 9-11. 0.86

00:36:45.000 3,000 people.

00:36:46.000 Do you disagree?

00:36:47.000 Let me ask you this.

00:36:48.000 Do you disagree With them claiming this was worse than Pearl Harbor or 9-11.

00:36:55.000 I think it depends how you ask that question.

00:36:57.000 I would say, I would say no, it's not worse than Pearl Harbor or 9-11.

00:37:01.000 What are you basing on?

00:37:02.000 Are you basing... No, no, no, I get it, I get it.

00:37:04.000 Trying to take people's votes away is so sacrosanct, but you're trying to take people's votes from them.

00:37:09.000 It's worse than what?

00:37:10.000 It's unprecedented that a President of the United States would do everything within his power to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the next President.

00:37:17.000 He said, I want you to peacefully march down to the Capitol.

00:37:20.000 That is a uniquely horrible event.

00:37:21.000 So horrible.

00:37:24.000 No, no, it took him an- no, it was the riot was happening, he spoke for an hour and a half, it started then, then he got back to the White House, watched it like 30-40 minutes, and then shot a video.

00:37:37.000 He got back to the White House, he got Mark Meadows delivered a note on his desk that Ashley Babbitt had been shot and he sat there sipping Diet Coke for an hour and a half.

00:37:46.000 The guy that you called your leader, how many pardons did Trump do for the patriots that got unfairly charged with crimes?

00:37:54.000 Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people?

00:37:58.000 So you're there, Alex.

00:37:58.000 I've seen the timelines. You can use your false timelines.

00:38:02.000 You can use your false timelines.

00:38:04.000 They claimed in their timelines, he spoke for almost an hour and a half.

00:38:09.000 Just keep it one at a time. It's easier.

00:38:11.000 When he first started speaking. So you had an hour and a half long that didn't exist.

00:38:16.000 I was there.

00:38:17.000 So you were there, Alex. So tell me, were there weapons there?

00:38:21.000 No, nobody used weapons.

00:38:23.000 So are you telling me?

00:38:24.000 Yes, there were weapons.

00:38:25.000 You know, you're right.

00:38:25.000 You got me.

00:38:26.000 He's gonna say the cops.

00:38:27.000 Yeah, they shot Ashley Babbitt and they threw people off the balcony and they beat a woman's brains out.

00:38:34.000 You're right.

00:38:34.000 They didn't beat the woman's brains out.

00:38:36.000 Oh no, nobody shot a woman?

00:38:38.000 Nobody beat a woman to death?

00:38:38.000 Nobody beat a woman on the ground.

00:38:39.000 That's a fake video that got put out.

00:38:41.000 That wasn't real.

00:38:42.000 Ashley Babbitt's fake, folks!

00:38:43.000 Wow!

00:38:44.000 I like how you would think that Years after the event, we're now getting unreleased footage?

00:38:48.000 There's a video of them dragging that woman!

00:38:49.000 The police dragged her in and beat her to death!

00:38:50.000 How would that take years to report?

00:38:51.000 Everybody on X, Kim's saying they didn't beat a woman to death. 0.99

00:38:53.000 Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I just- Can I Woo!

00:39:07.000 Yeah!

00:39:08.000 Got his ass now, baby! 1.00

00:39:09.000 Once you're done celebrating, I'd like to ask... Ashley Babbitt!

00:39:11.000 Nobody died!

00:39:13.000 Old woman didn't get drugged in by the cops and beat by batons! 1.00

00:39:16.000 This is an equals cowboys game, what is that all about?

00:39:18.000 If he wants to do little one-ups and just... So what Trump fans are into is sports games.

00:39:21.000 I hope the audience only goes off how much emotion there is.

00:39:23.000 I can top ya!

00:39:24.000 I can top ya!

00:39:25.000 Calm down, buddy.

00:39:25.000 Calm down.

00:39:26.000 Calm down.

00:39:26.000 Here we go.

00:39:27.000 Okay, so you said the weapons were the feds shooting Ashley Babbitt.

00:39:31.000 What about, um, how about the guy who, the three men on the corner of 14th and Independence who had AR-15s?

00:39:40.000 How about... Oh, they used those?

00:39:42.000 They didn't use them, but... Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, what about the pipe bomb? 0.71

00:39:46.000 I asked you a question... Who's that?

00:39:48.000 Alex, I asked you a question if people had weapons.

00:39:50.000 How about the, how many weapons were seized, like... Hey, I got a dick, I got a dick, doesn't mean I'm raping people.

00:39:58.000 Seventy-five of the people arrested within the Capitol building had weapons.

00:40:03.000 Let's uh, we have a couple of clips.

00:40:04.000 Knives and stuff.

00:40:06.000 Oh! 0.60

00:40:06.000 The knives have weapons that disarm them immediately! 0.60

00:40:11.000 How about Guy Refit?

00:40:13.000 The, what is he, three percenter?

00:40:15.000 Or three percenter, right?

00:40:15.000 Does he have nuclear weapons like Biden saying we're gonna use them on Russia?

00:40:17.000 He had a handgun on the stairs of the Capitol building.

00:40:20.000 He had a handgun?

00:40:21.000 As, as he was encouraging people to... That's worse than Pearl Harbor!

00:40:25.000 As he was saying, telling people to go into the Capitol.

00:40:28.000 As he was saying, he wants to drag Nancy Pelosi out of the Capitol and hopes her head hits every stair on the way out.

00:40:34.000 Did he say, did he say, go into the Capitol like Rams?

00:40:36.000 Let me finish my point before you cut me off.

00:40:39.000 He wanted to drag Nancy Pelosi out and let her head hit every stair on the way out.

00:40:44.000 He said, let it finish.

00:40:45.000 Yeah, and I got pooped on Pelosi.

00:40:46.000 Let me finish, Alex.

00:40:47.000 Alex, let me finish my point.

00:40:48.000 Yeah, let Ed finish his point because we're going to go to Darren Reilly.

00:40:50.000 He said on his way to the Capitol building that they're going to take the Capitol and insert their own government.

00:40:57.000 Yeah, so out of a million people, a few lunatics were there, and you call it like Martians invading and blowing the Earth up, like Glenn Greenwald said.

00:41:05.000 His intention wasn't an insurrection.

00:41:06.000 Are you saying his intention wasn't an insurrection?

00:41:09.000 He's saying he's going to drag Nancy Pelosi out.

00:41:10.000 He wasn't under Trump's command!

00:41:13.000 Trump didn't tell him.

00:41:15.000 Trump said go peacefully.

00:41:17.000 Yes, you can finish your point, and then we're going to go to Darren.

00:41:19.000 Can we use a mute button or something on Alex?

00:41:21.000 No, I'm not going to be run over.

00:41:22.000 So, he was on his way to the Capitol building, saying, we're going to take the Capitol and install our own government.

00:41:29.000 He had a handgun.

00:41:30.000 It's a Trump and I'm guilty, I'm guilty.

00:41:32.000 Alex, let him finish.

00:41:33.000 On the stairs of the Capitol, saying he's going to drag Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell out.

00:41:38.000 But you don't have a problem with that.

00:41:39.000 That's not... He didn't use a gun!

00:41:41.000 What do you think, Darren?

00:41:41.000 Because he didn't use a gun means he didn't have the opportunity to shoot Nancy Pelosi or Mike Pence.

00:41:46.000 That's okay.

00:41:47.000 He didn't have access to them.

00:41:48.000 I didn't say it was okay.

00:41:49.000 Thankfully, the Capitol Police... Thankfully, the Capitol Police... What about the two shamans?

00:41:54.000 Thankfully, the Capitol Police... Alright, okay.

00:41:57.000 Oh my god, a guy had a gun!

00:41:58.000 Will you marshal law?

00:42:00.000 All the Americans are guilty! 1.00

00:42:01.000 You can't vote for Trump now, a guy had a gun!

00:42:03.000 I've been asked by Zero Hedge to moderate this debate, so that's what I'm gonna do.

00:42:06.000 Everyone quiet down, we're going to Darren Beatty.

00:42:08.000 Darren.

00:42:11.000 What's happening?

00:42:12.000 What's the question here?

00:42:13.000 Is this a freaking coup?

00:42:14.000 What do you think about what they've been saying as well?

00:42:16.000 I don't think it's a coup.

00:42:18.000 I, again, I think question of an insurrection, you can go to the etymology of rising up, that could be anything.

00:42:25.000 If we keep the proper perspective in mind, it doesn't elevate to anything resembling the Civil War, 9-11, or any of the crazy comparisons.

00:42:34.000 What, one guy with a gun isn't as big as the Civil War?

00:42:36.000 No.

00:42:37.000 They didn't use the gun?

00:42:40.000 So, there's that.

00:42:42.000 The scope, I think, matters, and that's what we're really getting at when we talk about insurrection.

00:42:47.000 The courts are politically weaponized, so I wouldn't even rest the legitimacy and the question on the determinations of the courts, which we can see are Running away with pretty wild and ridiculous theories.

00:43:00.000 Weaponized.

00:43:01.000 Weaponized court systems.

00:43:03.000 So there's that.

00:43:04.000 And then, you know, these, you know, sure there are random nutjobs who are around, uh, D.C.

00:43:08.000 on that day and then any other day.

00:43:10.000 And I don't think...

00:43:12.000 That's relevant to the ultimate question of whether it was a coup, whether it was an insurrection.

00:43:17.000 And as I said before, the stuff about Trump and the legal theory behind his, you know, multiple part plan, that could be an interesting discussion.

00:43:28.000 It's technically outside the scope of the debate.

00:43:31.000 But again, I would reiterate anyone who knows Trump, anyone who knows people who knows Trump, A hundred percent certainty.

00:43:38.000 Trump genuinely believes that the election was stolen.

00:43:42.000 He had multiple legal advisors.

00:43:45.000 Many of his advisors were trying to sabotage him from day one.

00:43:49.000 Just because he was advised by one of these snakes doesn't mean that he therefore agrees with what they say.

00:43:55.000 He agreed with the people who told him it was stolen and that he had legal recourse to address that, which he implemented.

00:44:03.000 So there's nothing that rises to an insurrection or coup about that either, even though that's outside of the scope of our discussion for today.

00:44:11.000 So, uh, Cassidy Hutchison, uh, said that Trump said to Mark Meadows, I don't want people to know we lost.

00:44:18.000 It's embarrassing.

00:44:19.000 I would, I'm glad that you mentioned her because this gets to the televised sham.

00:44:24.000 Well, she was under oath.

00:44:26.000 Who under oath for Trump said, well, she changed her story a bunch.

00:44:31.000 She was under oath.

00:44:32.000 So the thing here is that, Listen, so the thing here is... Why is the January 6th committee destroying the transcript?

00:44:40.000 The January 6th committee called... 98% of their witnesses were Republicans.

00:44:47.000 It was kangaroo.

00:44:48.000 These people were under oath Republicans and they testified.

00:44:51.000 The people who didn't testify within the Trump circle, there were dozens who 5th Amendment, 5th Amendment, 5th Amendment.

00:45:01.000 They refuse to say a word.

00:45:02.000 So, you're going to tell me that the people that testified under oath are the liars, but the people that said things in the public but failed to say anything under oath are the ones that are telling the truth?

00:45:17.000 I wasn't just there on January 6th.

00:45:19.000 I was in that congressional hearing and took the 5th 98 times.

00:45:23.000 And not because I need to hide.

00:45:25.000 The Fifth Amendment isn't just to incriminate yourself.

00:45:27.000 It's because they wanted me in a perjury trap, and they were going to have witnesses claiming it wasn't true.

00:45:32.000 You think, I think, attacking the Capitol makes us win an election?

00:45:35.000 Yeah, witnesses against your, their testimony versus you can't get you in perjury.

00:45:40.000 They can't.

00:45:41.000 Oh yeah, just ask Roger Stone that question.

00:45:42.000 No, it doesn't happen that way.

00:45:44.000 How did Roger Stone, how did perjury get Roger Stone that way?

00:45:46.000 Roger Stone wasn't involved with WikiLeaks.

00:45:49.000 He worked here then.

00:45:50.000 He couldn't get a hold of him.

00:45:51.000 I knew he told the truth.

00:45:52.000 He didn't tell anybody, I'm behind the WikiLeaks.

00:45:55.000 They said Roger Stone ran WikiLeaks.

00:45:57.000 He never even talked to Julian Assange.

00:45:58.000 Just say he ran WikiLeaks.

00:46:00.000 for comparable in communicating with me this is getting a problem and i think

00:46:04.000 this is not a fair it's okay roger did a lot of time around three said i don't

00:46:08.000 know which you have not interviewed a sign for the full back to my parent i

00:46:12.000 wanted to ask you to finish up we were saying that this i think when you're

00:46:15.000 going to mention something after that and then i have a couple of clips that

00:46:17.000 we're gonna play but here and get i mean did the january six hearings were a show

00:46:21.000 trial of the sort that would make kim jong il 0.98

00:46:25.000 blush Explain it to them. 1.00

00:46:28.000 They wouldn't let Republicans that they wanted under the law on the committee.

00:46:32.000 They wanted Jim Jordan, who was actually part of the investigation.

00:46:35.000 You're not allowed to have who you want on your side.

00:46:38.000 We pick who the people are on our jury.

00:46:40.000 Jim Jordan was being investigated by the committee.

00:46:43.000 You can't vote for Trump either.

00:46:44.000 They wanted a person on the committee who was being investigated by the committee.

00:46:50.000 How does that make sense?

00:46:51.000 Oh my God, when you're being investigated by the Democrats.

00:46:53.000 I think a lot of people watching don't understand.

00:46:56.000 Hey guys, guys, Alex.

00:46:59.000 Does that matter?

00:46:59.000 The people that are listening don't have the context, so if we start rapid-fire argumentation, a lot of people are going to lose interest.

00:47:05.000 We need to stay focused and listen to each other.

00:47:06.000 It's really important.

00:47:08.000 It is really hard.

00:47:10.000 I'm going to go take a piss and I'll let you tell people fairytales.

00:47:17.000 But what we're happening is, Darren is going to continue what you were saying about finishing up your thought, and then we're going to Glenn Greenwald.

00:47:23.000 Yeah, well, the thought was just about Ms. 1.00

00:47:25.000 Hutchinson, and she said a lot of things.

00:47:27.000 I believe she was the one who said that Trump reached over to the steering wheel and, you know, told the Secret Service this or that, which was a bizarre thing because the Secret Service agents in question weren't the ones that were called upon to testify under oath.

00:47:41.000 Some of them testified the same thing that Cassidy Hutchinson said.

00:47:45.000 No, the Secret Service actually said we would love to testify and they weren't allowed to.

00:47:49.000 The two Secret Service agents in question, that specific anecdote, were not allowed to testify.

00:47:56.000 So why would they take the second-hand report from Hutchinson when they could have interrogated directly the people who would have been direct witnesses to that?

00:48:07.000 Not those two specific agents, but why not?

00:48:10.000 Other agents in the car with Trump testified for the JSEC's committee.

00:48:14.000 I don't know why they would or wouldn't testify or have particular people testify, but other people in that car did.

00:48:20.000 No.

00:48:21.000 The two people!

00:48:26.000 The January 6th Committee, and that's what Alex was alluding to just a second ago, is one of the biggest shams in the history of Congress because what happened with the January 6th Committee was we had a long history of 225 years of tradition in the United States Congress where whatever investigative commissions would be created within the Congress, the minority leader and the majority leader would each select the members of that committee to ensure there was fair representation by both parties.

00:48:51.000 Nancy Pelosi For the first time in the history of the United States, a Speaker of the House refused to allow the Republicans who were chosen for that committee by Kevin McCarthy, at the time the Republican Minority Leader, to be seated on the panel.

00:49:08.000 And as a result, the Republicans said, we're going to have nothing to do with this.

00:49:11.000 the only quote unquote Republicans that were chosen was Liz Cheney who ended up losing

00:49:16.000 her seat by 36 points.

00:49:18.000 And Adam Kinzinger who didn't bother running again because they were so unrepresentative

00:49:21.000 of the Republican Party.

00:49:22.000 It was a completely partisan commission.

00:49:25.000 And on top of that, none of the videotapes that were available was made available to

00:49:30.000 the public except for very deceitfully chosen snippets by Adam Schiff and by Liz Cheney.

00:49:38.000 And it was only within the last several months that we saw all of the video footage and what it showed makes a joke of the idea that this was a coup.

00:49:46.000 You had people peacefully walking into the Capitol, led by many

00:49:49.000 of the police officers who encouraged them to enter

00:49:52.000 peacefully, which they did.

00:49:54.000 The vast majority of people who were there at January 6th aren't

00:49:58.000 even charged with using violence.

00:49:59.000 And that's what makes this whole debate such a preposterous joke.

00:50:03.000 If you look at how coups are carried out in other countries,

00:50:06.000 you could make a much better case that the Black Lives Matter

00:50:09.000 protests of 2020 was an insurrectionary movement.

00:50:12.000 And the reason it matters, Destiny, is because if you're going to make arguments, there has to be an important test, which is do you apply the same principles you're claiming to profess and believe in?

00:50:21.000 to cases where it undermines your partisan allegiance and your ideology,

00:50:25.000 not only where it helps it. That's one of the key tasks for determining the authenticity of your

00:50:29.000 argument. And so if you don't think the 2020 protest movement was an insurrectionary movement

00:50:34.000 against the United States government, there's no way to claim what January 6th was, especially

00:50:38.000 since Trump could have done so much more to cause a coup that he did not do because that wasn't his

00:50:43.000 aim ever. If you wanna talk about applying the same standard, would you have been okay in the

00:50:47.000 year 2000 if Gore refused to certify the vote because he didn't like what's happening in

00:50:50.000 Florida? A lot of Democrats did want to do that. 0.99

00:50:54.000 Can you answer that question? Glenn, answer the question.

00:50:55.000 Yeah, and I wouldn't have actually, yes, a lot of Democrats were angry about that.

00:50:59.000 I'm asking you would be okay personally if he refused to certify the vote?

00:51:04.000 I think there were two arguments. You wanna answer the question.

00:51:07.000 In 2016, would you have been okay if Biden- One of the questions is that Gore,

00:51:12.000 Because if you really believe that an election is stolen, as the Democrats claim they did, then it is kind of odd to say, we're just going to concede that and allow George Bush to march into power, even though we believe that he actually stole the election.

00:51:25.000 That is kind of an odd way to go about it.

00:51:27.000 No, it's not.

00:51:28.000 It's not all that odd.

00:51:29.000 We live in a democracy.

00:51:30.000 There are appropriate forums through which you can chattel.

00:51:32.000 Did they not chattel that out in the courts, though?

00:51:34.000 And they lost.

00:51:35.000 Okay, there you go.

00:51:36.000 Trump was battling it out in the court.

00:51:39.000 And he lost.

00:51:39.000 Once you lose, anything past that is vigilantism.

00:51:43.000 Vigilantism, directed at the government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to entrench your own power, is an attempted coup.

00:51:49.000 That's what he tried to do.

00:51:50.000 That's not what Trump did, though.

00:51:51.000 He told them to be peaceful.

00:51:52.000 He told them, go and be peaceful.

00:51:54.000 We're not talking about the peaceful protesters.

00:51:57.000 And if he wanted them to be peaceful, he would have called in the National Guard as soon as they started rioting, but he didn't do that.

00:52:01.000 You're talking about his use of the legal process, of the congressional and judicial process.

00:52:06.000 He went and tested...

00:52:09.000 If he had ordered the military or some other FBI or any of those agencies, the CIA, to go and use violence on domestic soil in order to ignore those court rulings the way people do when they're trying to implement coups, you would have a good argument.

00:52:22.000 He didn't do any of that.

00:52:23.000 He invoked all of his legal rights in the judiciary and in the Congress.

00:52:26.000 He lost and he walked out of the White House on January 20th.

00:52:29.000 He did not have to be dragged out.

00:52:30.000 He wasn't arrested by the military, which is what happens in coups.

00:52:34.000 So much of this is because you only started paying attention to politics in 2016, you only live in the United States, you have no idea about history or anything that happens in other countries, you have no idea what a coup is!

00:52:44.000 This is a coup!

00:52:45.000 Glenn, you bring that up!

00:52:46.000 Glenn, you bring that up and you're trying to use Hawaii as an example for something that was comparable, where both slates of electors were actually duly elected by the people there, in the 60s!

00:52:55.000 Hawaii and South Carolina, these other historical examples that people go to from multiple slates of electors, are not at all comparable!

00:53:01.000 Both of these things happened prior to 2016.

00:53:03.000 There are no examples in U.S.

00:53:05.000 history, or if you want to give me one since you know so much history prior to 2016, give it to me, is there any other examples in U.S.

00:53:10.000 history where the president is telling the vice president to unilaterally not certify the vote?

00:53:15.000 Has that ever happened before?

00:53:17.000 That's a totally separate question from whether this is a coup.

00:53:20.000 No, that is what happened on January 6th.

00:53:22.000 It doesn't matter if it's the first time that it ever happened.

00:53:25.000 Even if it's the first time or the 10th time, it's still not a coup or an insurrection.

00:53:28.000 A coup or an insurrection is when you use violence and force in order to seize control of power outside of the legal process.

00:53:35.000 So a coup has to happen.

00:53:37.000 So if there's no violence, it can't be a coup.

00:53:41.000 Wasn't there violence?

00:53:42.000 I saw violence.

00:53:44.000 How much violence do you need?

00:53:45.000 25 grams.

00:53:45.000 How many officers were injured?

00:53:46.000 What do you need?

00:53:47.000 140?

00:53:47.000 The most amount of violence that happened on the Capitol on January 6th.

00:53:49.000 25 grams.

00:53:50.000 The most amount of violence happened to the January 6th protesters, not from them.

00:53:55.000 Again, not a single protester whipped out a gun, let alone used a gun.

00:53:59.000 That is an extremely weird thing.

00:54:01.000 How many officers were injured?

00:54:04.000 140?

00:54:05.000 Wait, wait.

00:54:05.000 Is that enough violence for you?

00:54:07.000 Well, here's a good question about staging a coup and emergent phenomenon, and if a crowd becomes violent,

00:54:13.000 or if someone directs the crowd to become violent.

00:54:16.000 This is actually the next question on my list.

00:54:17.000 Do you guys think that Trump was responsible for this thing?

00:54:20.000 And before you answer, I want to play a couple of clips.

00:54:22.000 We have clip one and two.

00:54:24.000 These are from Trump's speeches on the day.

00:54:26.000 I think the first clip is before the violence kicked off.

00:54:31.000 Maybe we can play that first.

00:54:34.000 I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

00:54:43.000 We can't play into the hands of these people.

00:54:48.000 We have to have peace.

00:54:50.000 So go home.

00:54:51.000 We love you.

00:54:52.000 You're very special.

00:54:54.000 You've seen what happens.

00:54:56.000 You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.

00:55:01.000 I know how you feel.

00:55:03.000 But go home, and go home in peace.

00:55:06.000 That second clip was from after the violence had become, and so he was kind of doing damage control, I think, at that point.

00:55:13.000 I just don't understand all of the insanely arbitrary caps that we're trying to create to try to say that it wasn't a coup.

00:55:18.000 Well, there was violence, but there wasn't enough.

00:55:20.000 There was a subversion of the democratic process, but it didn't end up working.

00:55:24.000 If the plan would have gone as Donald Trump wanted it to have gone, Which is Vice President Pence unilaterally tossing out the Electoral College vote, and if Donald Trump would have retained power past when he was supposed to lose it, what is that if not a coup?

00:55:37.000 What would you call that?

00:55:38.000 No one ordered those people, the few hundred that actually fought police to do that.

00:55:42.000 That's great.

00:55:43.000 What would you call that though?

00:55:44.000 If it would have happened, no one said Trump's been charged with insurrection or inciting a riot.

00:55:50.000 But we can't vote for him because they say he's guilty.

00:55:52.000 What would you call it if Pence would have unilaterally thrown out the vote and Trump would have held onto power for some weeks?

00:55:57.000 Trump was calling for a 10-day Senate investigation.

00:56:00.000 That's why we were there.

00:56:01.000 That's great.

00:56:01.000 What would have happened if Pence would have thrown out the vote?

00:56:03.000 That's a hypothetical.

00:56:04.000 Trump wanted a 10-day investigation.

00:56:06.000 No, but he also wanted Pence to throw out the vote.

00:56:08.000 Yeah, what would have happened?

00:56:09.000 What would you have called that?

00:56:09.000 And we're pushing for that.

00:56:10.000 Yeah, what would we have called that?

00:56:11.000 Can I get a name for that?

00:56:12.000 If you don't want to call it a coup or an insurrection, what would you call that?

00:56:16.000 Well, I'd call it taking Trump off the ballot and saying we can't vote for him.

00:56:19.000 I know you won't answer because you probably know he's guilty.

00:56:21.000 That's fine.

00:56:22.000 What about you, Glenn?

00:56:23.000 Glenn, what would you call it if the president was able to entrench his power by asking his vice president to throw out the vote unilaterally, which is what he was trying to do?

00:56:31.000 Do you want to deny the facts?

00:56:32.000 Do you want to deny that it's a coup?

00:56:33.000 What part?

00:56:34.000 A coup.

00:56:35.000 You're lucky it wasn't a real coup.

00:56:37.000 That shows the weakness of the argument, but if that had happened, my guess is it would have ended up in the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court would have made the decision about whether Mike Pence exercised his proper authority as Vice President, and then Donald Trump, if he had run out of options, would have left the White House on January 20th without any need for military force or police force, exactly how he did, and I would have called that the exhaustion of all of the legal remedies available to the President in the event that he takes on the election.

00:57:01.000 Exactly, and therefore it would have been just the way The Bush v. Gore thing played out.

00:57:06.000 Exhausting your legal options, getting up to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court makes the determination.

00:57:12.000 If both of you accept that then, then if the Supreme Court says that because of Amendment 14, Section 3, Trump can't be on the ballot, you would both accept that as well?

00:57:21.000 I wouldn't, but I think that would be authoritative.

00:57:24.000 Why would that be authoritative?

00:57:26.000 But Donald Trump, one man, centralizing power among himself to remain in power, that's not authoritative.

00:57:32.000 He didn't do that!

00:57:34.000 That's what he tried to do!

00:57:35.000 That is what happened!

00:57:36.000 I know you only read tweets and headlines, Glenn, but believe it or not, that's actually what happened.

00:57:41.000 That was our goal, was a 10-day Senate investigation into the Constitution.

00:57:45.000 That's not what was happening behind the scenes, though.

00:57:47.000 There's testimony from the lawyers involved.

00:57:50.000 They were war-gaming everything. 0.89

00:57:51.000 Exactly.

00:57:52.000 And they're shutting down everything.

00:57:53.000 The assistant AG, the assistant deputy AG, all of his legal counsel, all of his state senators, all of the congressmen.

00:57:59.000 If I could talk over you, I'd be way better than you.

00:58:00.000 That's what you've been doing the whole time.

00:58:01.000 Don't, don't, no.

00:58:02.000 You're doing it, and then I dominate, and you can't handle it.

00:58:04.000 Okay.

00:58:05.000 He didn't do that and he left is the point and that's the reality and now they say we can't vote for him even though we all know Biden's gonna win by 10 million votes.

00:58:15.000 That's why we call it an attempted coup and not an actual successful coup.

00:58:18.000 Alex, do you think that Trump was responsible for this thing on January 6th?

00:58:22.000 100% not.

00:58:23.000 He'd had hundreds of rallies around the country.

00:58:25.000 Five or six that we were part of in the months before this.

00:58:28.000 And we had the space.

00:58:30.000 We had, here's the Capitol, right up above the Supreme Court on the Capitol grounds.

00:58:33.000 We had a stage.

00:58:34.000 And then we get there, and it's bedlam.

00:58:37.000 And so, no, Trump didn't think attacking the Capitol would make him look good.

00:58:40.000 That's why he came out and said that, don't do this and go home.

00:58:44.000 Why didn't he call them off immediately if he thought it didn't make him look good?

00:58:47.000 It was happening while he was giving a speech.

00:58:48.000 Wrong.

00:58:49.000 The reason why he didn't call them off is because Kim, Giuliani, and Eastman were making phone calls to other senators and congressmen asking them to decertify the electoral vote.

00:58:57.000 No, no, no.

00:58:58.000 You were there, but you weren't.

00:58:59.000 Do you acknowledge that that happened, or do you not acknowledge it?

00:59:00.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:59:01.000 We're talking about the crowd.

00:59:02.000 I don't care about the crowd.

00:59:04.000 I'm saying that as the right was raging on and he was sitting there sipping his Diet Coke, if this really made him and his followers look bad, why didn't Donald Trump make a video immediately?

00:59:12.000 Yeah, I'm about to do it, because I can talk over you really easy.

00:59:14.000 That's what you've been doing the whole time.

00:59:15.000 No, no, no, you're doing it.

00:59:16.000 I look forward to you dodging the question again.

00:59:17.000 You're doing it, you're doing it, you're doing it.

00:59:18.000 No, you.

00:59:19.000 So, no, you.

00:59:21.000 No, you.

00:59:21.000 You.

00:59:22.000 No, you.

00:59:22.000 You.

00:59:22.000 Both of you.

00:59:23.000 Keep doing it.

00:59:23.000 He doesn't like you.

00:59:25.000 Break it up.

00:59:26.000 Trump While he was speaking, I was getting text messages, violence in the Capitol, and I left to try to go stop it.

00:59:36.000 And when I got there, he was still speaking.

00:59:40.000 So this thing where you guys say, the attack started at this time and Trump did nothing this time.

00:59:46.000 He's speaking while it happens for hours.

00:59:48.000 He then goes to the White House, tries to figure out what's going on and puts a statement out against it.

00:59:52.000 And he said, In the middle of a speech, off a teleprompter, go be peaceful.

00:59:59.000 That's what he said.

01:00:00.000 He also said fight like hell.

01:00:03.000 If we don't fight like hell, we're not going to have a country.

01:00:06.000 What did Rudy Giuliani say?

01:00:08.000 He said let's have trial by combat.

01:00:11.000 That's a legal term.

01:00:13.000 Maxine Waters said go attack Republicans in restaurants.

01:00:17.000 Grocery stores.

01:00:19.000 With her it wasn't hyperbole.

01:00:20.000 Trump never said, Trump never supported political violence.

01:00:24.000 Trump never told people to be goons.

01:00:25.000 The lefts would burn down half the country.

01:00:27.000 Everybody knows that.

01:00:28.000 Everybody knows it's Biden's erase the border.

01:00:31.000 Everybody knows all this.

01:00:32.000 You're sitting there claiming this was, do you agree this was big as Pearl Harbor?

01:00:37.000 What are you comparing it to?

01:00:39.000 As big as Pearl Harbor in what way?

01:00:40.000 Bombing?

01:00:42.000 People dead?

01:00:43.000 No.

01:00:44.000 Maybe a blemish on our democracy?

01:00:48.000 I'd say it was very close.

01:00:49.000 Let me ask you this.

01:00:50.000 If they bring in, which they've done, 10 million illegal aliens in the last three years, and then that gives them, with the congressional seats and the census, more Democrat seats in the Congress, is that not... Undocumented aliens, undocumented immigrants are not voting. 0.50

01:01:03.000 They are counting?

01:01:04.000 No, they are not.

01:01:05.000 They're counting the census!

01:01:06.000 But they're not voting.

01:01:07.000 They're counted in the census.

01:01:08.000 They're not voting.

01:01:09.000 So then they get more Democrat districts.

01:01:11.000 Can we backtrack really fast?

01:01:12.000 Oh my God.

01:01:13.000 So let's backtrack.

01:01:14.000 Ladies and gentlemen, they're already pulling elections with the illegals. 0.95

01:01:18.000 They get more congressional districts.

01:01:21.000 Let's backtrack to January 6th.

01:01:23.000 Yeah, I do want to go back.

01:01:24.000 Can we go back to January 6th?

01:01:25.000 Okay, so you play those clips.

01:01:26.000 Oh, you always want to get off of it because it was an insurrection.

01:01:29.000 No, because I came here to debate January 6th, not immigration.

01:01:31.000 And then as soon as I bring up the real insurrection, you can't handle it.

01:01:33.000 I'm not here to debate immigration.

01:01:35.000 Yeah, talk to me, Brian.

01:01:36.000 Okay, so why don't we ask the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, the Proud Boys, the ones who were actually indicted and convicted of seditious conspiracy.

01:01:47.000 Why they did it.

01:01:49.000 Oh, you know, they told us.

01:01:50.000 Yeah, they did tell us.

01:01:52.000 In both, in both kangaroo trials.

01:01:54.000 Let me finish.

01:01:55.000 Let Brian finish and then you can come back at me.

01:01:58.000 Joe Biggs, he said, I did it because this is where Trump wanted me.

01:02:03.000 They wanted, he wanted me to do this.

01:02:05.000 Stuart Rhodes, Oath Keepers, same thing.

01:02:08.000 I did it for Trump.

01:02:09.000 Multiple Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, they all said, I was here because of Trump.

01:02:15.000 I went into the Capitol.

01:02:17.000 I took the Capitol because that's what Trump wanted.

01:02:20.000 So did Trump, was Trump responsible?

01:02:23.000 Ask them.

01:02:24.000 Ask the people that are serving 20 years in prison for seditious conspiracy.

01:02:29.000 I'd like to respond to that now.

01:02:31.000 I know Stuart Rhodes well.

01:02:33.000 I know Joe Biggs well.

01:02:34.000 He used to work here.

01:02:36.000 And they have never said Trump told them to go into the Capitol.

01:02:40.000 They have never said they did it because he asked them to.

01:02:43.000 That is not a true statement.

01:02:46.000 That is a true statement.

01:02:48.000 They have their quotes right here.

01:02:50.000 Joe Biggs shook a fence.

01:02:53.000 Shook a fence.

01:02:54.000 Stuart Rhodes said he never told anybody to go in the Capitol and never went in the Capitol.

01:02:58.000 And you just said they said that Trump told them!

01:03:01.000 Multiple Proud Boys said they were in the Capitol because that's what Trump wanted.

01:03:05.000 Trump wanted them.

01:03:05.000 Oh, you're reading a Jack Smith federal filing?

01:03:07.000 Next we'll talk about the mental disease.

01:03:09.000 No, I'm going, Jack Smith didn't indict the Proud Boys.

01:03:12.000 They have messages between the group.

01:03:14.000 They have the actual... No, I know all about it.

01:03:16.000 Yes, they have them.

01:03:17.000 Are you saying these are fabricated?

01:03:20.000 No, no, read me the quotes.

01:03:21.000 Yeah, read those quotes.

01:03:22.000 I mean, we were here to storm the Capitol.

01:03:26.000 We were here because of Trump.

01:03:31.000 I mean, there's... That's pretty different.

01:03:34.000 What's the best quote you have?

01:03:38.000 This is a red herring.

01:03:40.000 They're not saying that Donald Trump personally communicated to them to go to the Capitol.

01:03:45.000 What they're saying is the reason why they were there, which I think over 147 convicted people have thus far in their convictions, have said the reason why they were there is because Trump called them to go there.

01:03:52.000 Not personally.

01:03:53.000 You know how many of those people cited Ray Epps as the reason why they were in the Capitol?

01:03:58.000 Take a guess.

01:04:01.000 In both Proud Boys and Both Keepers cases, the Fed said there was no direct conspiracy.

01:04:08.000 No one is talking about that.

01:04:09.000 But they went on to say now it's a new conspiracy where it's not written or said, they just imagined it.

01:04:19.000 I want to be clear.

01:04:20.000 What is your contention with this?

01:04:23.000 Give me the quote and then what your contention is in relation to the quote.

01:04:27.000 Like Destiny said, there are 140 convictions, where the people convicted said, I was there because of Trump.

01:04:35.000 Trump called us to do this.

01:04:36.000 And when I say called us, I don't mean called him on the phone and said... Let's assume for the sake of argument that that's true.

01:04:40.000 What is your conclusion from that?

01:04:42.000 That Trump helped incite this... Well, just because they thought they were helping Trump, that doesn't mean that Trump told them to do that.

01:04:51.000 Let's look at the actions... It's like, wait, wait, Alex.

01:04:55.000 It's like saying, you know, Charles Manson presumably thought Helter Skelter was, you know, telling him to kill...

01:05:07.000 So is that the argument there?

01:05:09.000 Trump is essentially Helter Skelter and he's telling these Proud Boys that you need to go and storm the Capitol?

01:05:16.000 Doesn't Mob Boss tell his peons, go kill this guy, or do they use other language?

01:05:21.000 Well, what's the language that he used that you think is criminal?

01:05:27.000 The ideas that Trump discussed was that the election was being stolen from you.

01:05:30.000 Okay, so that's criminal?

01:05:31.000 I never said that was criminal.

01:05:32.000 He's not being indicted for that speech.

01:05:34.000 You're asking why are the people at the White House.

01:05:36.000 All of the Trump's indictments and charges for January 6th are not focused on the people at the White House.

01:05:40.000 No, I understand.

01:05:41.000 So what's the point of argument there?

01:05:42.000 That Trump...

01:05:43.000 The question was just why are the people there...

01:05:45.000 ...the election was stolen and people assumed that they interpreted that as meaning, oh we need to go to storm the

01:05:50.000 Capitol, but that's somehow Trump's fault and he's criminally liable

01:05:53.000 for it and it rises to an insurrection.

01:05:55.000 I don't know why you keep saying criminal liability.

01:05:57.000 I'm trying to be clear what the...

01:05:59.000 Let me explain it. What Trump did was, Trump laid out very precisely exactly what he believed had happened.

01:06:05.000 He thought that the vote was being stolen, that our country was being taken from us.

01:06:08.000 Not believed, what he wanted others to believe.

01:06:11.000 That Congress wasn't acting, that Mike Pence was supposed to be the guy to do it, but he hadn't heard good things about them, and they needed to go down to the Capitol building to protest.

01:06:19.000 To protest what?

01:06:21.000 To protest nobody is saying that you're repeating the same thing.

01:06:24.000 You're like a broken record.

01:06:25.000 You're a broken record.

01:06:27.000 No, no, I'm not a broken record.

01:06:28.000 Trump has every right You're trying to shut me down.

01:06:30.000 Listen, here's the bottom line.

01:06:32.000 Trump's not been charged with insurrection.

01:06:33.000 No one said he was.

01:06:34.000 Trump didn't, but you're saying people can't vote for him.

01:06:37.000 No, I'm not saying that.

01:06:39.000 That's up to the Supreme Court.

01:06:40.000 Do you support- No one here is talking about- Do you support Colorado and Maine taking him off the ballot?

01:06:45.000 That's up to the Supreme Court.

01:06:46.000 No, you punt.

01:06:47.000 Do you think it's good for the opposing party, when a guy's way ahead in the polls, to remove someone from the ballot?

01:06:53.000 It's not about him being ahead in the polls or not, it's about whether or not he engaged in insurrection, and if the self-executing part of the 14th Amendment allows states to remove him from the ballot.

01:07:01.000 So, where's the, where's the, where's the conviction?

01:07:04.000 Where's Trump found guilty of intrusion?

01:07:06.000 You don't need a conviction for the 14th Amendment!

01:07:08.000 Alex, read it!

01:07:08.000 Can we bring the 14th Amendment up on you?

01:07:10.000 You're misrepresenting that, and it doesn't matter, because we have a right to vote for who we want, right?

01:07:15.000 No, you don't!

01:07:16.000 Within reason, there are rules and restrictions.

01:07:18.000 You can't vote for somebody under 35 years old!

01:07:19.000 You can't vote for somebody that's not a U.S. 1.00

01:07:21.000 citizen!

01:07:21.000 It looked like you wanted to chime in, Glenn.

01:07:23.000 But he's unpopular, though!

01:07:24.000 He lost!

01:07:25.000 Well, we can't vote for him now!

01:07:26.000 If you think it's so bad that courts are kicking him off the ballot, what do you think about Trump doing the birtherism card for Obama for how many years?

01:07:32.000 That was the first big political thing he was known for, was challenging whether Obama was even born in the United States in an attempt to get him kicked off the ballot!

01:07:38.000 I don't know.

01:07:38.000 You know why?

01:07:39.000 I can play the clips of Obama and his wife saying he was born in Kenya.

01:07:43.000 I don't believe he was born in Kenya.

01:07:45.000 you're talking I'm not gonna be talking there's clips of Obama and his wife

01:07:50.000 saying he was born in Kenya I don't believe was born in Kenya he was born in

01:07:55.000 Hawaii to the head of the Communist Party there actually so so that it was

01:08:01.000 in his book and it hang out you know Frank so so that's what's going on here

01:08:06.000 what is it doesn't matter if Trump wants to say the moon's made of cheese we have

01:08:11.000 a right to vote for him if Trump can say whatever he wants that's not what's

01:08:15.000 getting him removed from the ballot Glenn, Glenn, he's a loser!

01:08:18.000 You know, you can vote for him.

01:08:20.000 You can write him in if you want.

01:08:22.000 You can vote for him.

01:08:23.000 You can.

01:08:23.000 You can write him in.

01:08:24.000 But the 14th Amendment says he can't hold office if he incited...

01:08:28.000 But who's found guilty of insurrection?

01:08:31.000 We talked about this in the world earlier.

01:08:33.000 Nobody was found guilty of violating insurrectionary...

01:08:37.000 during the Civil War.

01:08:38.000 I have a question.

01:08:39.000 Nobody.

01:08:39.000 And that was an insurrection.

01:08:41.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to my house for a moment.

01:08:44.000 Hello, hi, I'm Ian Crossland and I'm moderating this awesome debate.

01:08:47.000 Glenn Greenwald is about to speak.

01:08:48.000 I want to hear what he has to say.

01:08:49.000 He's been waiting patiently for about one minute.

01:08:51.000 Glenn, what's happening?

01:08:53.000 Thanks, yeah.

01:08:53.000 So, first of all, on the issue of the ballots, there have been split decisions on this, and even Democratic judges in Colorado and then the Democratic, very partisan, Secretary of State in Rhode Island, as well as in California, have all said they don't think it's appropriate to remove Trump from the ballot because he has not yet been charged with, let alone convicted of, insurrection.

01:09:11.000 So I want to be very deferential to Destiny's incredible achievements in constitutional scholarship, but there are actually a lot of even Democratic Party elected officials who are saying, as well as Judges of the Colorado Supreme Court who are appointed by Democratic Party governors who are saying that you cannot actually remove somebody because to remove them from the ballot is to punish them for a crime, insurrection, that Trump has never been charged with and therefore has never had the opportunity to defend himself the way a criminal does.

01:09:38.000 Wait, which case was that?

01:09:39.000 Wait, why are you citing the dissent?

01:09:41.000 No, no, no, Glenn, that's... Why are you citing the dissent?

01:09:42.000 Why are you citing the dissent and you're calling it a losing case?

01:09:46.000 Like, it proves your point.

01:09:48.000 No, also, also, that's what I thought.

01:09:53.000 He just knows the people are dumb.

01:09:56.000 Let it continue.

01:09:57.000 No one's ever been taken off the ballot without being convicted.

01:10:03.000 The Secretaries of State of California and Rhode Island have also said the same thing, but it's true. 0.95

01:10:07.000 The Supreme Court will decide.

01:10:08.000 I'm very confident they'll decide Trump can remain on the ballot and then that will resolve that issue.

01:10:12.000 The question I have, I have a few questions quickly.

01:10:14.000 One is, why didn't anybody like Jack Smith charge Trump with engaging in an insurrection?

01:10:20.000 If Trump Was engaged in insurrection or inciting an insurrection, you would hope, I would think, that he would be charged with that.

01:10:26.000 I don't think he was, so I'm happy he wasn't.

01:10:28.000 But for those of you thinking he was, why wasn't he charged with it?

01:10:31.000 And then the second one is, I just want to know, given that the 2020 riots did have a lot of people in there who were non-violent and were there not for insurrectionary reasons, but had a lot of people who were anarchists and insurrectionists and who engaged in a lot of violence, a lot more than was done on January 6th, Do you also think that the riots of 2020 constituted an insurrection?

01:10:52.000 I'm just trying to understand to get a sense for what your definition of insurrection is.

01:10:55.000 Glenn, do you think that the 1992 riots... Can you just answer what I asked?

01:11:00.000 I asked two questions.

01:11:00.000 Can you just answer that?

01:11:04.000 I can give answers too.

01:11:06.000 I don't think that Black Lives Matter was an insurrection.

01:11:09.000 I do think 1992 riots in LA was an insurrection.

01:11:14.000 George Herbert, Walker Bush...

01:11:16.000 Black, that made it not an insurrection.

01:11:18.000 What did it lack?

01:11:19.000 So it was a protest and the violence was when the police clashed with the protesters.

01:11:26.000 The violence was not against the government in order to stop the government from doing something.

01:11:32.000 There weren't anti-fascist and anarchist groups there that explicitly say they were using violence to overthrow the government.

01:11:37.000 That didn't happen.

01:11:38.000 They were firebombing federal courthouses!

01:11:41.000 God, that's not true!

01:11:44.000 The bombs on the courthouses, there's nobody, it was at night time, there's nobody in there.

01:11:48.000 They were not obstructing anything.

01:11:50.000 The firefighters got excited!

01:11:51.000 Arson's a serious crime!

01:11:52.000 They were not there to obstruct an official proceeding of a government.

01:11:57.000 I just burned down a courthouse!

01:12:00.000 I want to ask Glenn, do you think 1992 was an insurrection?

01:12:06.000 You didn't answer Glenn's question!

01:12:07.000 I just did answer it!

01:12:08.000 I just answered it!

01:12:09.000 Alex, I did answer it.

01:12:09.000 I specifically answered it.

01:12:10.000 Yeah, but no, no.

01:12:12.000 Alex, I did answer.

01:12:14.000 I just, I specifically answered it.

01:12:18.000 I mean, I think the 1992 riots, I think I recall at the time thinking the Insurrection

01:12:26.000 Act was inappropriately invoked.

01:12:28.000 I'd have to go back and really study the 1992 riots to see the extent of the violence.

01:12:32.000 But I do think that you're asking that indicates why the 2020 riots are way closer to an insurrection than anything happened after the 2020 election.

01:12:41.000 And the reason you're afraid to say that it is an insurrection is purely for ideological and partisan ends.

01:12:46.000 No, that's not true.

01:12:47.000 There's riots, there's riots every week in America.

01:12:49.000 The Democrats were saying the Black Lives Matter riots were good, and bailed out. 0.97

01:12:53.000 The Democrats were saying be violent every week.

01:12:55.000 Everybody get the clubs, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, get in, I want to let Stephen finish this off.

01:13:15.000 When we're talking about an insurrection, I think all three of us here would agree that if there was a congressional session or a state legislative session and people were voting on it and BLM rioters went up and they tried to firebomb the house to stop the vote, I think all of us would agree that's an insurrection. 0.85

01:13:31.000 But you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, hello, oh my god, I almost finished a sentence.

01:13:37.000 Are you okay?

01:13:38.000 Way more violent stomach capitals than Trump people.

01:13:43.000 You keep bringing back the amount of violence.

01:13:45.000 The amount of violence isn't relevant.

01:13:47.000 All of us here agree that, obviously, over the entire course of the BLM riots, over the course of the BLM riots, there was lots of violence.

01:13:57.000 I think everybody on this side of the table is okay with charging and convicting anybody that was guilty of a violent act.

01:14:05.000 However, violence, no matter how much, does not make an insurrection.

01:14:09.000 It's the obstruction or rebellion against the United States for the Jack Smith obstruction charge obstructing an official process like certifying the vote.

01:14:16.000 We're going to go to Darren now.

01:14:20.000 Let me ask.

01:14:21.000 Let me ask.

01:14:22.000 So first of all, it wasn't just violence.

01:14:26.000 Aspects of the BLM uprisings that involved, at one point, Trump was forced to go into a secure bunker in the White House.

01:14:34.000 They broke through the Treasury.

01:14:36.000 He called in the National Guard then.

01:14:40.000 I have a question.

01:14:41.000 I have a question about the 14th Amendment for destiny or anyone.

01:14:45.000 So let's assume that it doesn't require a conviction.

01:14:49.000 In your view, Who is most appropriate to make that determination?

01:14:55.000 The answer, the real answer is it's hard to tell.

01:15:00.000 Personally, I don't like the way the 14th Amendment Section 3 is written.

01:15:03.000 I've got a lot of friends who'll hate me for saying that.

01:15:05.000 And I think that the Supreme Court probably will rule against it.

01:15:07.000 Because the problem with the 14th Amendment is the self-executing part of it means basically anybody involved in that balloting process of putting them on the ballot could make that determination.

01:15:15.000 So you basically agree it has to go up to the Supreme Court and be decided before he can be justly removed from office?

01:15:22.000 Let me say this.

01:15:22.000 The Declaration of Independence, and you want to talk about insurrection, I want to fix this peacefully.

01:15:28.000 But I have a right, not from the Declaration of Independence, it already points out what's there, to abolish a government when the majority of us agree we're done with it.

01:15:35.000 So and you got all these movies about civil war the Democrats are putting out Obama's putting out you guys better Hope that doesn't happen We're trying to fix this peacefully, but this is a load of crap to claim that Republicans and conservatives are this super viral evil white supremacist terror group they're planning crap no one's buying that and conservatives and populists and America first or see how we're being set up and You stay set up, but Donald Trump is the one setting you up.

01:16:00.000 Well, this is my question.

01:16:01.000 Trump said be peaceful and go to the Capitol.

01:16:03.000 We're going to have a 10-day Senate investigation.

01:16:05.000 I was there.

01:16:06.000 Did Trump have his people?

01:16:07.000 Were you there?

01:16:08.000 There's a million hours of footage.

01:16:10.000 Trump had seven different states create seven false sets of electors that perjured themselves.

01:16:16.000 I know this.

01:16:17.000 And they shipped all of those to Congress.

01:16:20.000 When I try to have people that I know put clips of me saying don't go on the Capitol, they would take them down.

01:16:24.000 Or we show clips of people pulling off their Antifa gear, putting on Trump gear.

01:16:30.000 Where's the video footage of all the Antifa gear?

01:16:31.000 Oh my God!

01:16:32.000 I got a thousand people have their tonight Oh everybody how many and where's the one that were

01:16:37.000 arrested in charge?

01:16:38.000 Got you again!

01:16:39.000 How many Antifa's?

01:16:40.000 Antifa's there!

01:16:41.000 Why didn't Donald Trump?

01:16:42.000 That's when the glasses go bop bop bop I get the cigar Yeah

01:16:45.000 You guys are talking pretty pretty candidly about weed You know we're not playing clubs tonight.

01:16:49.000 Why didn't Trump call in the National Guard as soon as the ride started if Antifa was there?

01:16:52.000 He asked for $10,000 National Guard a month before.

01:16:54.000 No, he didn't.

01:16:55.000 He mentioned it two days before.

01:16:56.000 Why didn't he call them in that night?

01:16:57.000 Why didn't he call them in?

01:16:58.000 Look, there's Antifa.

01:16:58.000 Call in the National Guard.

01:16:59.000 He would have ended it in 20 minutes.

01:17:00.000 So that's another myth.

01:17:02.000 That he had the National Guard on standby.

01:17:04.000 Kash Patel said that.

01:17:05.000 No, he asked for it.

01:17:06.000 Let me finish.

01:17:08.000 Kash Patel said that, Trump asked for it.

01:17:10.000 That's the source of that.

01:17:12.000 Kash Patel and Donald Trump, after the fact, claimed that they had the National Guard on standby.

01:17:18.000 Neither of them testified to that under oath.

01:17:21.000 Do you know who did?

01:17:21.000 The Secretary of State, Chris... Department of Defense.

01:17:26.000 Yeah, Secretary of Defense.

01:17:28.000 Christopher Miller, testify.

01:17:31.000 Trump didn't have it on standby.

01:17:32.000 He asked for it and was refused by Milley.

01:17:33.000 I could pull up, watch the post-op.

01:17:35.000 He was refused?

01:17:36.000 No, Milley specifically said that's not true.

01:17:38.000 Oh, Milley?

01:17:40.000 Was that between his phone calls with Xi Jinping?

01:17:41.000 And the Secretary of Defense, a man who he would have to call to call in the National Guard.

01:17:47.000 The Secretary of Defense specifically said under oath that Trump never did that.

01:17:52.000 Under oath!

01:17:53.000 Under oath!

01:17:53.000 Did Trump- Under oath!

01:17:55.000 They tell people two men can have a baby.

01:17:56.000 Can two men have a baby? 0.98

01:17:58.000 Why do you- Can two men have a baby?

01:17:59.000 I thought this was January 6th.

01:18:00.000 No, no, stop, stop.

01:18:02.000 Alex, stop.

01:18:04.000 Alex, let me ask you a question.

01:18:06.000 You're criticizing me for quoting somebody under oath.

01:18:09.000 What is your source?

01:18:11.000 If I have- I'm quoting somebody that said something under the penalty of perjury.

01:18:15.000 Your source is- You just know it?

01:18:18.000 That Donald Trump said it to the public?

01:18:19.000 No, we're live on air here just like when this guy said that, oh, you know, you're claiming this was done.

01:18:27.000 You don't have proof.

01:18:28.000 Those clips are all there.

01:18:29.000 Everyone's going to pull those up.

01:18:31.000 They're going to see them.

01:18:31.000 So there's clips of Donald Trump calling in the National Guard?

01:18:34.000 No, no, I'm talking about the last point.

01:18:35.000 You didn't answer my question.

01:18:36.000 No, no, I remember the articles.

01:18:37.000 You didn't answer my question.

01:18:38.000 You're not listening.

01:18:38.000 You didn't answer my question.

01:18:39.000 You want my answer?

01:18:40.000 Yeah, I do.

01:18:41.000 When Trump got firebombed and the White House got attacked, he called for the National Guard and Milley said, I'll resign if he doesn't.

01:18:47.000 He then asked the head jurisdiction, which was actually General Flynn's brother, for 10,000 troops and it was in the news.

01:18:56.000 I don't have a computer in front of me.

01:18:59.000 January 6th, January 5th.

01:19:00.000 No, no, he asked two weeks before that they wanted- It wasn't in the news.

01:19:03.000 Okay, well, boom, gotcha!

01:19:04.000 Everybody get it!

01:19:05.000 Bill, show it!

01:19:06.000 Go ahead!

01:19:06.000 I'm on air right now!

01:19:08.000 He requested- I don't have a computer!

01:19:10.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:19:11.000 Tell me what you're telling me.

01:19:12.000 You're just hoping, listen, they're gonna get you.

01:19:14.000 Tell me what you're telling me, that he requested 10 days- No, no, watch X Tomorrow.

01:19:17.000 Is that what you're telling me?

01:19:18.000 Listen to me carefully.

01:19:19.000 Watch X Tomorrow.

01:19:20.000 Okay.

01:19:21.000 And it's going to be General Flynn making this claim?

01:19:23.000 You'll have 5 million views, and it'll be you, and it'll be all the news articles where Milley says he'll resign if Trump's National Guard, and then they did it again, and then General Flynn's brother... That wasn't for January 5th, that was the Rockingham City protests.

01:19:34.000 I know, I know, I know.

01:19:35.000 That's where it begins.

01:19:36.000 And he asked again, and they also... Yeah, it's all there.

01:19:40.000 Okay, but you're making the claim that Trump had... No, you say, show it!

01:19:45.000 I'm here, I'm here!

01:19:47.000 Why would Trump care if Milley would resign after all the deep state?

01:19:51.000 If they're all part of the swamp, why wouldn't he just do it anyway if that's what's right?

01:19:53.000 Trump is the ultimate sort of one that asks you, you're not going to answer that question either.

01:19:59.000 What's going to happen is they're all going to get it.

01:20:02.000 And that's the whole, they're all gonna show it, and then we'll see.

01:20:06.000 Yeah, this is making me think about media manipulation in general, and how sometimes you see things, sometimes you don't, sometimes things are real, sometimes they're not, and it leads me to my next question, general for everybody.

01:20:16.000 And by the way, all six of you are doing phenomenally, especially you, Glenn, killing it from Brazil, my man. 0.94

01:20:22.000 Would you guys think this election was stolen?

01:20:25.000 100%. Absolutely not. And it's my right to say that, but then, oh, covering up the windows

01:20:32.000 with signs and then all these trucks pulling in and then the graph where Trump's above

01:20:36.000 and it perfectly shoots up and then wins. I guess define stolen. Define that for me

01:20:40.000 before we answer the question. Well, I mean, as Professor Epstein and others have said,

01:20:45.000 they do it way before suppressing the 100% Biden laptop, giving you 96% Google Democrat

01:20:52.000 I mean, it's all the stealing's done before in the algorithm and the censorship of the control.

01:20:57.000 I remember five years ago when I was being deplatformed, they were denying I was being deplatformed and saying there was no censorship.

01:21:04.000 Now we know from the weaponization hearings that all this is going on and now they're telling us you can't vote for him because he said we won't let you vote for him.

01:21:13.000 Why is it, if the election was being stolen, why did every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate come back and say there was no evidence?

01:21:20.000 It wasn't every single one.

01:21:22.000 It was not a whole bunch of his lawyers.

01:21:24.000 Most of his legal counsel said that the few that he had an affair with were crazy.

01:21:28.000 You just went in two seconds from everyone to most.

01:21:35.000 Every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate, meaning the Vice President, the Department of Justice, the Cyber Security Division of the Department of Homeland Security, all of his White House counsel, every- I know how it works, I know, you're farming TikTok clips, okay?

01:21:50.000 That's what we're doing right now.

01:21:51.000 But the reality is, is almost every single person that he asked to investigate Two minutes ago, you said all of them, now it's almost.

01:21:58.000 He didn't ask Sidney Powell for her to go and investigate.

01:22:01.000 She brought cockamamie schemes to him and he said, oh, maybe these are okay.

01:22:04.000 Which, by the way, he also said, he also said she was crazy.

01:22:07.000 You just said all wouldn't say there was fraud.

01:22:10.000 Now most... Get the full quote, kind of like you're missing the rest of the 14th Amendment there.

01:22:13.000 Get everything I'm saying.

01:22:15.000 I know that context hurts people like you.

01:22:17.000 You live and you breathe 10 second clips.

01:22:19.000 Anything longer than that destroys everything you're trying to claim.

01:22:22.000 No, no, no.

01:22:23.000 They got you again.

01:22:24.000 You just said all his lawyers told him he lost and we're going to show you the majority saying he won.

01:22:31.000 Gotcha!

01:22:31.000 Alex, tell us specifically which lawyers said he actually won.

01:22:37.000 Besides Eastman, Powell and Giuliani.

01:22:39.000 Who is on his team here planning widespread election fraud?

01:22:43.000 Look, we're live on air.

01:22:45.000 I know we're live on air.

01:22:46.000 We're going to get you.

01:22:47.000 Let's ask Glenn.

01:22:47.000 What do you think, Glenn?

01:22:48.000 you know i guess that's really wise folks let's let's ask them i want to ask

01:22:51.000 when you think that when do you think that this is the same stone

01:22:56.000 i think election was rigged I don't, I'm not somebody who thinks the election, that there's evidence conclusive that the election was stolen.

01:23:02.000 I do think we should be a lot more attentive to when election processes get changed out of the blue.

01:23:08.000 Like, oh, because there's COVID, we're going to have a ton of new conventions for how we do mail-in ballots.

01:23:14.000 I think there's a lot of potential for fraud there.

01:23:16.000 I don't think there's evidence that I've seen, at least, that's conclusive that the 2020 election was stolen.

01:23:20.000 I do think though, it was rigged in all sorts of ways

01:23:23.000 from Internet censorship to all kinds of interference on the part

01:23:27.000 of the US security state lying and saying that a very incriminating

01:23:30.000 story about Joe Biden was the byproduct of Russian disinformation

01:23:34.000 when it absolutely was not.

01:23:36.000 Facebook and Twitter censoring that story right before the election.

01:23:38.000 These are all examples of corrupting rigging by institutions

01:23:41.000 of authority on the question of whether- >> [INAUDIBLE]

01:23:44.000 No, I'm not somebody who thinks there's evidence that it was stolen.

01:23:47.000 Well, how would you define the difference between rigging it and stealing it?

01:23:52.000 Rigging it is when institutions of authority cheat or act corruptly in order to manipulate public opinion to

01:23:57.000 prevent stories from getting to them.

01:23:59.000 Those news stories about Joe Biden and the way that he exploited his family connections in Ukraine and China to

01:24:04.000 profit for his family.

01:24:06.000 And lying about it and saying that it's Russian disinformation.

01:24:09.000 Censoring the Internet to prevent stories from getting to the public.

01:24:12.000 Having the security state, the CIA and the FBI, that's supposed to have no role in our politics,

01:24:16.000 being the ones to cook up those fabrications.

01:24:18.000 That's all examples of rigging and manipulating our democracy the way that we accuse Russia of 0.78

01:24:22.000 doing.

01:24:23.000 The US security state, the corporate media, Twitter and Facebook did that way, way worse.

01:24:27.000 Stealing the election is dumping ballots that were legitimately

01:24:31.000 cast or fabricating ballots in favor of one candidate or the other that actually weren't cast.

01:24:36.000 Manipulating the machines in order to have the loser be That's what I would distinguish between rigging and stealing.

01:24:43.000 Do you think that Donald Trump asking Jeffrey Clark to go and threaten the DOJ that if they don't sign on to a false letter trying to bully states into claiming there was mass election fraud by claiming the DOJ had actually done something when they hadn't?

01:24:55.000 That was testified to under oath.

01:24:58.000 Do you think that would be considered an act of corruption?

01:25:01.000 The whole point is, if Trump legitimately believed that the election was stolen, as Democrats believed in 2000, 2004, 2016... This is right.

01:25:07.000 No, that's not right.

01:25:08.000 It's not answering the question.

01:25:11.000 I'm answering the question.

01:25:13.000 I just can't do it in seven questions.

01:25:15.000 If Trump believed genuinely that the election was stolen, then all of those steps that he undertook to try and present to Congress the way to alleviate the stolen election, to have courts reverse the stolen election, to have Mike Pence exercise what he thought was his constitutional authority, Might have been wrongful, but they weren't illegal, and they most definitely weren't a coup.

01:25:33.000 If he thought that the election was stolen, he was allowed to tell the DOJ that they needed to sign on to a false letter claiming they'd found election fraud?

01:25:41.000 Otherwise he would replace Rosen with Clark?

01:25:43.000 That was something he was allowed to do?

01:25:44.000 False letter.

01:25:45.000 All this stuff's crap.

01:25:46.000 The DOJ hadn't found anything, so the DOJ attesting that they had found something wouldn't be false.

01:25:50.000 That's right.

01:25:51.000 I know.

01:25:51.000 In this world, we need evidence, Alex.

01:25:52.000 I'm sorry.

01:25:53.000 Oh, evidence.

01:25:54.000 I know.

01:25:54.000 It's evidence for evidence, yeah.

01:25:56.000 So, so... Did Truman have a baby?

01:25:59.000 Isn't there a sitcom called Two Minute Baby?

01:26:02.000 Yeah, it's a great movie.

01:26:03.000 Oh shit, I'm sorry, my bad.

01:26:04.000 No, but I mean, we were sitting here, like, guys, they said it was worse than Pearl Harbor in 9-11.

01:26:10.000 Like Glenn says, this is... Alex, you pointed out, oh, that the votes, they went up way at night, they went up way high, Trump was winning and all of a sudden Biden pulled ahead at like 1 a.m. Red Mirage. Yeah, but do you understand that the

01:26:30.000 media basically told the American public that this is what happens basically every election?

01:26:36.000 Yeah, they pre-programmed it at Red Mirage. No, do you understand? No, it does happen

01:26:39.000 every election. Do you understand what actually, why that happened? No, I'm not smart enough

01:26:43.000 to understand. The trucks all, when they shut down the polling places and the trucks

01:26:47.000 pulled in and they blocked the windows out and ran the same ballots over and over

01:26:51.000 again. Let me explain it to you.

01:26:53.000 Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, from months before the election, he kept saying

01:26:59.000 mail-in ballots are rigged. Don't.

01:27:01.000 Don't vote by mail.

01:27:02.000 So, do you think that Republicans are gonna vote by mail if Trump says not to?

01:27:09.000 So, Republicans... But that's chicken and the egg!

01:27:11.000 Let me finish! 0.52

01:27:12.000 No, let me finish, and then you can.

01:27:15.000 Republicans didn't vote by mail because Trump said, I don't, it's not safe.

01:27:20.000 Democrats voted by mail.

01:27:23.000 Mail-in votes were counted at the tail end of the vote count, as they always are.

01:27:29.000 So what happens?

01:27:30.000 So Trump pulls ahead early in the night, just like everybody said was going to happen if you were paying attention.

01:27:36.000 They start counting the mail-in votes.

01:27:38.000 Biden's moving up.

01:27:40.000 They start counting more mail-in votes in these states that are in the big cities, which are primarily Democrats.

01:27:47.000 What happens?

01:27:48.000 Biden pulls way ahead in the big cities, just like everybody that was paying attention would have known.

01:27:54.000 That's why they had to, all over the, block the windows out, kick everybody out, claim water mains broke, let me talk, let me talk, and then magically, on the surveillance cameras, just keep loading the machines over and over again.

01:28:06.000 But let's, you're right, no no no, let's stop.

01:28:10.000 You're right, no no, I agree with you.

01:28:12.000 Trump actually lost, so why are you so scared to let him run again?

01:28:17.000 I'm not scared to let him run.

01:28:19.000 So you support him being on the ballot?

01:28:20.000 I support whatever the Supreme Court says because I think they should define what insurrection is.

01:28:25.000 I think that's fair.

01:28:26.000 I'm not saying I'm on either side.

01:28:29.000 But let's go back to the pulling out votes or tabulating votes multiple times.

01:28:34.000 Did you actually watch more than the 14 second clip that Giuliani put out there where they Purportedly pulled out ballots from under the table.

01:28:44.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:28:45.000 No, no, no.

01:28:46.000 Why in Michigan and Georgia did they block the windows?

01:28:49.000 No, no, no.

01:28:50.000 No, no, let me ask you a question.

01:28:51.000 Why?

01:28:52.000 I don't know why.

01:28:52.000 Ask them.

01:28:53.000 Ask them.

01:28:53.000 Why did they say a water main broke and later admitted it didn't?

01:28:56.000 These all went to court.

01:28:57.000 These all, all these were, why are they in court?

01:29:00.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

01:29:01.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

01:29:01.000 You guys, hold on, stop. 0.95

01:29:02.000 No, no, no.

01:29:03.000 Can I say one thing?

01:29:04.000 I'll give you the floor.

01:29:05.000 I'll give you the floor.

01:29:06.000 Let me say one thing.

01:29:07.000 Go ahead, go ahead.

01:29:10.000 I was found guilty by two judges in Texas and Connecticut, and then they had a jury trial on how much damage is.

01:29:16.000 Trump, they changed the law, has a judge who said at the beginning of the real estate hearing, he's guilty.

01:29:22.000 And then Letitia James said in a video, we've already found him guilty.

01:29:25.000 She was so dumb she said it.

01:29:26.000 We already found him guilty.

01:29:27.000 He's guilty.

01:29:28.000 And then Trump doesn't get a jury trial in New York.

01:29:32.000 So you're pointing to the judiciary and the corrupt lawyers that have run this country down the ground.

01:29:37.000 So who are you pointing to?

01:29:38.000 Wasn't that because his lawyer didn't check the jury trial?

01:29:41.000 January 6th, what an insurrection.

01:29:46.000 Also, the videos that you're referring to, the running them multiple times... And we're not going to get the Democrats no violence.

01:29:51.000 And we're not going to get the Democrats no violence they want in 2024.

01:29:55.000 But let me tell you, you guys keep looking for one.

01:29:59.000 Once you guys start the fight and launch martial law, you're going to actually get the real thing.

01:30:03.000 And then you'll know what it is.

01:30:04.000 Alex, how long have you been calling for martial law?

01:30:07.000 How many decades now?

01:30:08.000 Also, all the examples you're bringing up have literally been- Oh, the COVID lockdowns were martial law!

01:30:11.000 Oh my God, and they didn't last forever, like you guys- Guys, we shut their ass down!

01:30:14.000 No, you didn't shut down anything.

01:30:15.000 We beat their fucking ass!

01:30:17.000 No, the Supreme Court ruled against Biden- Biden won the election and it stopped.

01:30:20.000 Biden won the election and it stopped, so you shut them down?

01:30:23.000 Who told you?

01:30:24.000 Are you part of Biden now?

01:30:25.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:30:26.000 Is, uh, is, uh...

01:30:28.000 No, wait, why are we getting caught off the Georgia stuff?

01:30:31.000 Is Rachel Maddow right?

01:30:33.000 He brought it up.

01:30:35.000 If Biden, is Biden right?

01:30:36.000 You take the shot, you're protected.

01:30:37.000 Is that true?

01:30:38.000 I think what Biden did, I think what Biden did was, here's what Biden did for the shot, okay?

01:30:42.000 What happened was, Rappensperger and everybody in Georgia looked over all the tapes you're claiming about, but the ballots being ran three times, not only was that information false, Trump was told that it was false, Trump knew that it was false, Trump repeated it over and over again, including in a call to Rappensperger, and for Finally, Giuliani has come out saying that it was false, but it was his First Amendment right to lie about it when Ruby Freeman took him to court for defamation because he lied about something you could clearly see on video evidence.

01:31:05.000 Okay, well this is a question, Darren, firstly, do you think, if you want to talk about it, do you think the election was rigged or stolen, but also is it protected speech to question an election and claim that it was stolen?

01:31:17.000 course it is. That's a great question. I subscribe to the sort of rigged versus

01:31:21.000 stolen distinction and I'm more in the rigged category and I think that's the more meaningful

01:31:26.000 type of interference is the censorship is all of the other tools that have been deployed in order to

01:31:34.000 rig the election. I think that's more significant and then the sort of more hyperbolic claims

01:31:43.000 regarding hacking the machines and or you know so forth.

01:31:48.000 The claims without these kinds of things.

01:31:51.000 So then you agree that Trump was wrong when he said it was a stolen election?

01:31:57.000 Well, it depends what specific claim he's using.

01:32:00.000 It's a definitional one.

01:32:01.000 Let's say when Trump kept pushing that Dominion, that Dominion was switching votes and it calls him Georgia.

01:32:06.000 That, I don't believe in the Dominion stuff.

01:32:09.000 Yeah, I don't either.

01:32:10.000 It was a lie.

01:32:11.000 Trump was lying about it.

01:32:12.000 He was lying about it.

01:32:13.000 He was lying.

01:32:14.000 But see, we're going to have to be honest here.

01:32:15.000 The point is, is that the State Department runs around the world looking at everybody else's elections, and the number one thing you get sanctions for is taking a candidate off the ballot.

01:32:24.000 And that's what Democrats are doing right now, and America sees that.

01:32:27.000 The Democrats are not doing it.

01:32:28.000 That's going to go to the courts.

01:32:29.000 Republicans actually filed a suit in court.

01:32:31.000 It's not the Democrat Supreme Court of Colorado.

01:32:33.000 It's not the Democrat Secretary of State in Maine.

01:32:37.000 You just said the Democrats aren't doing it!

01:32:39.000 They are doing it!

01:32:40.000 Alex, in Colorado.

01:32:41.000 Goddamn, that's a lie.

01:32:42.000 Alex, in Colorado, who filed a suit?

01:32:45.000 Six people.

01:32:46.000 How many of them are Democrats?

01:32:47.000 What is this?

01:32:48.000 Democrats?

01:32:48.000 No, no.

01:32:49.000 How many were Democrats out of six?

01:32:51.000 How many?

01:32:52.000 I don't know.

01:32:52.000 Liz Cheney's a Republican.

01:32:53.000 How many were Republicans who filed the suit?

01:32:54.000 I don't know.

01:32:55.000 Liz Cheney's a Republican. 0.88

01:32:55.000 Five of the six people that filed the suit in Colorado to get Trump off the ballot were Republicans! 0.88

01:33:01.000 So stop saying Democrats!

01:33:04.000 Democrats don't want Trump off the ballot! 0.89

01:33:06.000 Glenn's actually responding.

01:33:07.000 Poor shit!

01:33:08.000 That's not what happened.

01:33:10.000 What happened is the only people who have standing in Colorado to bring a suit are people who can vote in the Republican primaries, which means either Republican voters or independent voters.

01:33:19.000 Although the suit was brought in their name, the lawsuit was spearheaded and was paid for and was organized by a Democratic Party-aligned group called CRU that boasted of this and took credit for it.

01:33:30.000 So yes, the suit was brought in their name.

01:33:32.000 Yeah, Glenn, we had some audio feedback, Glenn, if you can hear us.

01:33:37.000 We're going to request the... We had some buzzing, Glenn.

01:33:41.000 I want to make sure that everything you said is clearly heard.

01:33:44.000 So we're going to fix that and then get back to you.

01:33:46.000 Let's go back.

01:33:46.000 Glenn, go ahead and talk again.

01:33:47.000 Let's try it out.

01:33:49.000 Yeah.

01:33:49.000 Anyway, I don't know how much of that you heard, but what I was saying was that in Colorado, in order to have standing... Hey, Glenn, stay there.

01:33:56.000 We're going to have to reconnect with you.

01:33:57.000 I want to hear this.

01:33:58.000 So I can say what he's saying.

01:33:59.000 He's saying that it was brought by a Democratic institution, but they needed Republicans.

01:34:05.000 Not just a Democrat institution, it's a notorious lawfare outfit.

01:34:10.000 But how many Democratic states said, okay, he can stay on the ballot?

01:34:15.000 So they don't just say like every Democrat just wants you to throw Trump off the ballot.

01:34:18.000 You're right, the Democrats don't want him off the ballot.

01:34:21.000 If you were to ask me, I would say let the voters decide.

01:34:24.000 I think other candidates would have a better shot than Trump to beat Biden.

01:34:29.000 I honestly do.

01:34:29.000 Well, who?

01:34:30.000 I think Nikki Haley.

01:34:31.000 There's no way she would get the nomination.

01:34:34.000 World War 3 Bird Bites.

01:34:36.000 I think she would defeat Biden.

01:34:37.000 I really do.

01:34:38.000 We actually have a tweet from Vivek Ramaswamy claiming that the, what did he call it?

01:34:44.000 He called it a happy entrapment day, talking about January 6th.

01:34:47.000 Do you guys think that it was an entrapment?

01:34:50.000 By 100%, Donald Trump entrapped all those poor people to be there. 0.95

01:34:54.000 That's why I told him to be peaceful.

01:34:56.000 That's why I said don't be peaceful.

01:34:59.000 We want a 10-day investigation.

01:35:01.000 That's why I said be peaceful.

01:35:03.000 Because Trump is always calling for supporters.

01:35:05.000 He also called for them to fight like hell and Giuliani says that's a trial by... Fight like hell means for our freedom and our vote and our country.

01:35:10.000 Okay, and people can say things that they don't mean in order to escape.

01:35:13.000 Hey, when you go to a high school football game, a pep rally, and then the cheerleaders go, fight, fight, fight, fight!

01:35:20.000 Trial by combat?

01:35:21.000 That doesn't mean anything either?

01:35:23.000 That's a legal term.

01:35:24.000 I think the thing that's most instructive, the things that's most instructive to see what Donald Trump wanted to happen that day is that when he sat down and he watched the violence unfolding on TV, when he saw the people fighting with cops, when he saw, when he got notification that Ashley Babbitt had been shot, Donald Trump did not take steps to stop the violence that day.

01:35:40.000 Instead, him and Giuliani made phone calls to senators and congressmen trying to get them to stall the vote.

01:35:45.000 What do you guys think ethically about people in politics telling people to go fight?

01:35:51.000 Do you find it to be misleading?

01:35:53.000 Look, we're not a neutered population.

01:35:55.000 I mean, I have Democrats, during the impeachment for this, they shut it down when finally Trump put a five minute video on of Democrats saying, attack them at grocery stores, attack them at gas stations, attack!

01:36:06.000 We need civil insurrection!

01:36:08.000 What do we think about the term "battleground state"?

01:36:12.000 You know, it's...

01:36:14.000 The problem is not...

01:36:15.000 This is typical political rhetoric.

01:36:16.000 No, it's the context.

01:36:17.000 Yeah, it's not...

01:36:18.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:36:19.000 Nobody is upset because Donald Trump said "fight like hell."

01:36:23.000 People are upset because for months or years, really even in 2016, Donald Trump has consistently attacked and undermined the electoral process with absolutely no good reason.

01:36:37.000 He was a Russian agent and set the deep state on him for the four years of his administration. 0.68

01:36:42.000 Is there any evidence Trump's a Russian agent?

01:36:47.000 No, but that's why he wasn't convicted or charged with any crimes for it.

01:36:49.000 No, but they were the ones saying that the American voters were manipulated by the Russians.

01:36:54.000 Wait, wait.

01:36:54.000 Was he charged?

01:36:55.000 Alex, was he charged with a crime for that?

01:36:58.000 They tried.

01:36:59.000 Hillary is currently saying Trump is going to steal the election. 1.00

01:37:03.000 Wait, wait, wait, why did, why did Jackson- Hillary is currently saying Trump is going to steal the

01:37:07.000 Why didn't he get an indictment?

01:37:07.000 election.

01:37:09.000 Hillary is saying Trump is going to steal the election?

01:37:11.000 Why is Hillary saying Trump is going to steal the election? 1.00

01:37:13.000 Why is Hillary saying Trump is going to steal the election? 1.00

01:37:15.000 Why wasn't Trump indicted?

01:37:17.000 Why wasn't Trump indicted for racing?

01:37:18.000 Why is Hillary saying Trump's going to steal the election? 1.00

01:37:20.000 I'm about to stand up, just so you know, and that would be good TV.

01:37:24.000 But I'm not gonna do it.

01:37:25.000 Well, he won't stop!

01:37:26.000 I can't even finish this statement!

01:37:26.000 I will dominate!

01:37:28.000 What we need to do... And you don't answer questions!

01:37:29.000 Guys, what we need to do... No, I do answer questions!

01:37:31.000 Listen to me for a moment!

01:37:32.000 We are!

01:37:33.000 That we don't speak over each other.

01:37:35.000 What we do is we listen to each other, take turns.

01:37:36.000 It becomes way better.

01:37:37.000 Is it okay that Hillary is on TV this week, three times I saw, saying Trump's going to steal the election?

01:37:46.000 Why is she allowed to? 1.00

01:37:47.000 Rent free in your head right now.

01:37:48.000 The problem with Trump's speech... Why should Democrats say it, but Republicans can?

01:37:53.000 You keep trying to change the subject.

01:37:55.000 Hillary shouldn't be saying that. 0.82

01:37:56.000 I agree.

01:37:57.000 Hillary shouldn't be saying that. 0.82

01:37:58.000 Who is she? 0.99

01:37:59.000 She's a private citizen.

01:38:00.000 But I think you're allowed to say people are going to steal the election, whether you're right or wrong.

01:38:03.000 That's why Trump isn't being charged for it.

01:38:05.000 Trump, you said it yourself, he's not being charged with incitement, he's not being charged with insurrection.

01:38:09.000 That has nothing to do with him saying a particular thing.

01:38:12.000 Did Joe Biden try to get the votes certified for Hillary Clinton?

01:38:18.000 Did Hillary Clinton try to force Joe Biden in 2016 to certify the electoral votes? 0.92

01:38:24.000 No, because I think the landslide was so big.

01:38:28.000 The Lance... Biden had a pretty big... Wait, hold on, what do you mean the Lance?

01:38:32.000 Didn't Hillary win the popular vote? 1.00

01:38:33.000 Hillary won the popular vote.

01:38:34.000 Biden won by more than... So Trump didn't win the 2016 election.

01:38:41.000 Trump didn't win.

01:38:41.000 What?

01:38:42.000 No, which one?

01:38:43.000 2016.

01:38:43.000 He didn't win the popular vote.

01:38:46.000 He didn't win the popular vote.

01:38:46.000 With Russian help, right?

01:38:48.000 I, from the evidence I've seen, he had a huge landslide.

01:38:50.000 They tried to steal it with illegal alien voters, but it's still so big. 0.83

01:38:53.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:38:54.000 We're not all privy to the election that exists in your head.

01:38:56.000 I know, there's no illegal aliens.

01:38:56.000 There's voices that talk to you.

01:38:57.000 Don't give us the same kind of prevention.

01:38:59.000 The rest of us on earth don't get anything.

01:38:59.000 Democrats are voting.

01:39:01.000 We're being downed from the mothership.

01:39:02.000 We've got to go by what people are doing.

01:39:03.000 Democrats aren't doing anything.

01:39:04.000 I'm so sorry.

01:39:04.000 Here we go.

01:39:05.000 People know you're wrong.

01:39:07.000 The states with the illegals are getting more.

01:39:09.000 California just got six more congressional seats.

01:39:14.000 We need you to come up and...

01:39:15.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm tied down.

01:39:17.000 There's no invasion!

01:39:19.000 There's no border!

01:39:20.000 Do you guys think that there was federal involvement here?

01:39:22.000 Or if there was, what the extent of it was on January 6th?

01:39:28.000 I think there were probably federal agents undercover.

01:39:31.000 Do I think that federal agents committed crimes and led people into the Capitol building?

01:39:36.000 Absolutely not.

01:39:37.000 And there hasn't been any case brought by any of these 700 convicts None of them brought that up in court.

01:39:45.000 Because they're being prosecuted in the District of Columbia.

01:39:48.000 Because there's no evidence of it.

01:39:50.000 Absolutely no evidence of it.

01:39:51.000 They won't let them put defenses on.

01:39:53.000 Let me tell you something.

01:39:55.000 They said Rams was a hero and did nothing wrong.

01:39:58.000 Now they finally indicted him because they know it's a weak spot and their operation only lasted for six months.

01:40:04.000 Let me tell you, we're not playing clips for tit for tat here, but everybody's gonna, I want everybody on X to get these statements and put all the clips of women putting onions in their eyes and the cops fake arresting people and high-fiving and saying, I'm a federal agent, I just helped run the attack.

01:40:19.000 They're gonna string all these videos out.

01:40:22.000 So here's the thing.

01:40:23.000 Like Brian said, there's probably some informants on the ground.

01:40:26.000 I think one of the Proud Boys, one of the ladies in the Proud Boy was an informant. 0.88

01:40:30.000 So she was on the ground.

01:40:31.000 She didn't go into the Capitol building, I don't believe.

01:40:34.000 The problem is with what Alex does is he pushes these conspiracy theories.

01:40:38.000 These ideas that illegal aliens were voting. 0.59

01:40:40.000 There's no evidence of that.

01:40:43.000 I think with the illegal alien voting thing is what's happening is they're coming in and then they're being counted in the census, which then adds more electoral votes.

01:40:50.000 Okay.

01:40:51.000 It gives more congressional districts.

01:40:52.000 That's fair.

01:40:53.000 That might be happening.

01:40:54.000 I haven't researched that.

01:40:55.000 They're indictments all over the country.

01:40:56.000 They're indictments of illegals everywhere voting.

01:40:56.000 They're not voting.

01:40:58.000 Got them again.

01:40:59.000 Hit them hard.

01:41:00.000 They're not voting.

01:41:01.000 Alex, that's a conspiracy theory.

01:41:02.000 Like two people?

01:41:03.000 Maybe five?

01:41:03.000 A bunch of cities have passed laws where illegal aliens can vote.

01:41:06.000 No, they haven't.

01:41:07.000 No.

01:41:09.000 Not in the federal elections.

01:41:10.000 Oh, the illegals are voting in elections though?

01:41:12.000 Not in the federal ones.

01:41:13.000 I know that some cities try to have them voting in local matters.

01:41:16.000 I don't know how many of those are successful.

01:41:17.000 Illegal aliens shouldn't be voting, okay? 1.00

01:41:20.000 But they're not.

01:41:20.000 They're not voting in federal elections.

01:41:22.000 I don't know why you would care though.

01:41:24.000 Why would you even care?

01:41:25.000 That's a conspiracy theory, Alex.

01:41:26.000 There are going to be 100 million views of you guys.

01:41:30.000 X is going to eat you guys alive.

01:41:31.000 I'm glad.

01:41:32.000 I can't wait for it.

01:41:33.000 I don't know why you care about illegals voting when you think Trump can just flip the whole election anyway.

01:41:36.000 Who cares?

01:41:37.000 He can just ask Pence to throw it all out.

01:41:38.000 I never said I thought Trump could flip the election.

01:41:41.000 Do you think it was okay when he asked Pence to do it?

01:41:42.000 I already told you five times I think that was a bad theory.

01:41:45.000 I didn't say it was a bad theory.

01:41:46.000 Do you think it was allowed?

01:41:47.000 Do you think it was an attempted coup?

01:41:48.000 Do you think you can ask the Vice President to unilaterally determine the outcome of the election?

01:41:53.000 No.

01:41:53.000 Trump was exploring every option.

01:41:55.000 The main thing he wanted was a 10-day investigation.

01:41:57.000 No, Trump wanted Pence to throw out the election to declare him the winner.

01:42:00.000 Imagine if Trump would say, like, I don't believe Joe Biden can be on the ballot.

01:42:04.000 Imagine if federal judges... And that would go to court, and the courts can decide that.

01:42:08.000 What would Republicans be doing right now?

01:42:09.000 Biden hasn't said that.

01:42:10.000 Biden hasn't said that.

01:42:12.000 If Republicans were trying to take... Trump spent four years saying Obama shouldn't go on the ballot.

01:42:17.000 If Republicans were trying to take Joe Biden on the ballot right now, what would you say?

01:42:21.000 Let the Supreme Court decide.

01:42:22.000 It depends on how they're going to do it.

01:42:24.000 Even this conservative Supreme Court, I'd say let them decide.

01:42:28.000 Let's bring in Glenn Greenwaldi.

01:42:29.000 But, Darren, you've been... Are Republicans having an impeachment committee right now?

01:42:29.000 Yeah, we should.

01:42:33.000 What are you, Darren, what's on your brain right now?

01:42:35.000 Because I'm looking at you thinking.

01:42:37.000 Well, I can attempt to answer the question about Federal involvement, because my reporting, or reporting at Revolver News, is largely responsible for changing the national conversation in that direction.

01:42:50.000 And notice they first threatened to sue you.

01:42:52.000 I'm going to leave you in a minute.

01:42:53.000 They first threatened to sue you.

01:42:53.000 Take a piss.

01:42:55.000 Now they've indicted Epps.

01:42:56.000 You've been vindicated.

01:42:57.000 Yeah, in fact, I have a video.

01:42:59.000 This is about Ray Epps.

01:43:00.000 You just mentioned, Alex.

01:43:01.000 It's clip number three, and it's about 25 seconds long.

01:43:03.000 We're going to play this, and then Darren, I want to hear what you're about to say.

01:43:08.000 Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol!

01:43:12.000 Into the Capitol!

01:43:13.000 No!

01:43:17.000 Peaceful way!

01:43:19.000 Fed!

01:43:23.000 Tomorrow, I don't even like to say it because I'll be arrested.

01:43:26.000 Well, let's not say it.

01:43:27.000 We need, we need to go, I'll say it.

01:43:29.000 Alright.

01:43:30.000 We need to go in.

01:43:32.000 Shut the fuck up, Boomer. 1.00

01:43:33.000 To the Capitol.

01:43:35.000 Oh, well wait, Ray Epps didn't do anything because he said peacefully at the end, right?

01:43:38.000 We didn't move past him.

01:43:39.000 Well, no, he said go into the Capitol.

01:43:41.000 But he said peacefully.

01:43:43.000 It's still illegal to go into the Capitol.

01:43:43.000 Well, so what?

01:43:45.000 But peacefully was the operative word.

01:43:47.000 Yeah, I thought peacefully made it all okay.

01:43:49.000 No, going in is illegal.

01:43:51.000 Trump didn't say storm the Capitol.

01:43:53.000 He didn't say go into the Capitol.

01:43:54.000 You're right, he's gonna get six months in prison, so.

01:43:57.000 No, I mean, you guys want to hear the argument for federal involvement or not?

01:44:01.000 Not really.

01:44:02.000 Okay.

01:44:03.000 I want to hear it.

01:44:04.000 Alright.

01:44:04.000 Well, there's a lot of dimensions to it.

01:44:07.000 We can start with the RayApps issue.

01:44:11.000 Here's a guy, you saw that, that was only part of the clip, there's much longer clips about Ray Epps, but here's a guy who's the only guy caught on camera as early as January 5th, repeatedly calling for people to go into the Capitol, and prefacing his seemingly rehearsed remarks in each case, saying, I'm probably going to go to jail for this, I'm probably going to get arrested for this, you need to go into the Capitol.

01:44:35.000 The next day, he flew across the whole country, presumably to go hear Trump's speech.

01:44:40.000 He skipped Trump's speech.

01:44:42.000 Instead, he was a veritable Where's Waldo, everywhere on January 6th, directing people, go into the Capitol.

01:44:48.000 It's in that direction.

01:44:49.000 That's where our problems are.

01:44:52.000 Then amazingly, he's pre-positioned right at that initial decisive breach point on the west perimeter of the Capitol, and he's whispering into somebody's ear just seconds before the bike racks are broken through.

01:45:07.000 He texts his nephew, I orchestrated it.

01:45:10.000 On paper, think about it, he's like a 6'3", former Marine, who is wearing camo gear and a Trump hat, and he just happens to have had a leadership position in the Oath Keepers.

01:45:21.000 The most demonized and heavily prosecuted... He used to, right?

01:45:24.000 He doesn't anymore.

01:45:25.000 The most demonized and heavily prosecuted militia group associated with January 6th.

01:45:32.000 And the regime doesn't touch him.

01:45:35.000 However, initially, his behavior was considered to be so egregious he was one of the first 20 people added to the FBI's most wanted list about January 6.

01:45:45.000 He was prominently featured in the New York Times' ominously titled Day of Rage.

01:45:51.000 Of all the clips the New York Times could have found and chosen, they chose Ray Epps to represent their thesis that this was a pre-planned insurrection to storm the Capitol.

01:46:03.000 And then, when the discussion of federal involvement came in to be, one of our major pieces at Revolver News, literally the next day is when the FBI quietly removed him from their list.

01:46:15.000 And all of a sudden he went from FBI's most wanted and featured in the New York Times

01:46:20.000 is day of rage to New York Times does a fully dedicated puff piece on him.

01:46:25.000 60 minutes does a sympathy segment on him.

01:46:29.000 He's the only January 6th participant that Adam Kinzinger, who's never met a Trump supporter,

01:46:34.000 he doesn't want to see rotting in jail for 50 years, that Adam Kinzinger will defend

01:46:39.000 more aggressively than Epps' own lawyers.

01:46:43.000 And now, almost three years after...

01:46:48.000 The government finally says, okay, we're going to hit you with a wrist-slap misdemeanor, as though people are so simple-minded to think, well, if the argument hasn't been indicted, therefore he's a fed, if we indict him now, even if it's a misdemeanor, even three years after, no matter what the circumstances, this constitutes a refutation and totally wipes away the mountains of suspicious evidence surrounding the character of Ray Epps.

01:47:14.000 That's just the case of Epps.

01:47:16.000 There are many other things.

01:47:17.000 Can I just touch on that real quick?

01:47:19.000 Sure.

01:47:19.000 So, you mentioned he, you mentioned a few things I want to touch on.

01:47:23.000 So, you talked about how he whispered in somebody's ear and moments later that guy went in the Capitol.

01:47:27.000 That was Mr. Samsel.

01:47:28.000 Yep, that's right.

01:47:29.000 And Mr. Samsel actually testified under oath.

01:47:33.000 I believe he is convicted.

01:47:34.000 He said that Epps actually said, told him, calm down, the police are on our side.

01:47:39.000 Well, he's changed his story.

01:47:40.000 I don't, I would rest, I'm just... Did you write the original Revolver article?

01:47:44.000 Yes.

01:47:44.000 Okay, thank you.

01:47:45.000 I set aside three days to go over Ray Epps' stuff and it took me six hours to see.

01:47:48.000 It was one of the stupidest conspiracies I've ever seen in my entire life.

01:47:51.000 The other thing I just want to... Yeah, go for it real quick.

01:47:54.000 So, you said that he didn't get convicted, he didn't get charged until...

01:48:01.000 Three years later.

01:48:02.000 Just recently.

01:48:02.000 Okay.

01:48:03.000 So, the people who were charged with anything but misdemeanors were people who used violence and people who went into the House chamber, where the joint session was, and the people who were involved in a seditious conspiracy.

01:48:20.000 It had to be a conspiracy.

01:48:21.000 Ray Epps acted alone here.

01:48:23.000 Well, no.

01:48:25.000 That's an open question.

01:48:27.000 As far as we can see, he acted alone.

01:48:30.000 Anything else beyond that would just be a conspiracy theory.

01:48:33.000 So, he falls into the same category... Well, seditious conspiracy is technically a conspiracy theory.

01:48:39.000 It doesn't mean that it's not true, right?

01:48:41.000 No, seditious conspiracy is a charged conspiracy theory.

01:48:43.000 It's a theory of the case!

01:48:45.000 A theory that there is a conspiracy that took place.

01:48:47.000 So, he doesn't fall into any category that any of the other protesters fall in, because he didn't fall into any of those three categories.

01:48:55.000 So, he got charged with misdemeanor.

01:48:57.000 Other people, the conspirators, The people who use violence and the people who went into

01:49:01.000 the House chamber are the ones who were charged with felonies.

01:49:05.000 For the Ray Epps stuff, if you look at his story from start to finish, it is incredibly

01:49:09.000 obvious.

01:49:10.000 The guy is a boomer.

01:49:11.000 The guy was a huge Trump supporter.

01:49:12.000 No, he wasn't.

01:49:13.000 He used to be part of the Oath Keepers a while before.

01:49:14.000 That's what he testified to under oath.

01:49:16.000 He used to be part of the Oath Keepers years earlier than he'd left.

01:49:19.000 I think it was the Arizona chapter.

01:49:21.000 Ray Epps went to the- He was the head of the Arizona chapter.

01:49:23.000 That's fine.

01:49:24.000 Ray Epps went to the march.

01:49:25.000 You said he skipped the speech.

01:49:27.000 Tens of people were listening to the speech on cell phones and other things and broadcasting

01:49:31.000 to other people.

01:49:32.000 Ray Epps was outside the speech.

01:49:33.000 There's on video.

01:49:34.000 I know because you posted in your article with him literally telling people, "Let's

01:49:37.000 go.

01:49:38.000 We're marching to the Capitol." 0.76

01:49:39.000 That was before the speech began.

01:49:41.000 Yeah, but he's out to the ellipsoids.

01:49:42.000 He's telling people in advance of the speech we need to go to the Capitol because somehow he got it in his mind that everything would end up at the Capitol.

01:49:48.000 I'm pretty sure he's doing it in his, as Trump is making the speech, not before the speech has begun.

01:49:53.000 No, he began before the speech began.

01:49:55.000 There are timestamps on the video.

01:49:58.000 Then you can go back and watch it on your- the Revolver story's up there.

01:50:01.000 For every single thing that you assert about him, that he's in video whispering into a guy's ear, you say it in the rest of your article, all he's doing on the day of, when the protesting's getting violent, is going up and down telling people, don't fight with the cops.

01:50:12.000 Don't fight with the cops.

01:50:13.000 The cops are on our side.

01:50:14.000 That's what he's saying the entire time.

01:50:15.000 The idea that he said that the entire day, but the one guy whose ear that he whispered into, that unfortunately we don't have, you know, audio capture of, that he and Sam Searle testified to, is he said, hey, the cops are on our side or the cops aren't enemies. They

01:50:27.000 both say something to that effect.

01:50:28.000 And that seems to synergize with everything else he said on that day. You go on to say that that

01:50:32.000 guy immediately after was the one that broke down the fence.

01:50:34.000 No, he's not. You can see like 15 people right next to him that are all trying to break down the

01:50:37.000 fence. Yeah, the guy goes in eventually, but if we truly believe that this guy is a federal agent or

01:50:42.000 is working to instigate the riot, we've laid out absolutely nothing supporting that. Just

01:50:46.000 some video footage of another boomer being at the rally. No, no, no, no. That was, that

01:50:50.000 was there. If you want to say that, why was he removed from the FBI list? I mean, why was he

01:50:55.000 removed from the FBI list?

01:50:55.000 Like, all the information is out there.

01:50:57.000 He said that after his video was identified, and people on X started to identify him, and then because all of his online stuff is incredibly easy to find, he started to get phone calls, he started to get harassed, he started to get threats, so he called the FBI as soon as this was brought to his attention, and he told the FBI, hey, this was me, and here I am, and this is what's happening, and the FBI took him off the list.

01:51:14.000 Your timeline is wrong.

01:51:17.000 He called the FBI when he saw himself in the videos.

01:51:21.000 Wrong.

01:51:22.000 Yeah, a friend told him about it.

01:51:24.000 And he's that.

01:51:25.000 Yeah, that's what that's what he said.

01:51:27.000 That's what he testified.

01:51:29.000 He called the FBI very shortly after January 6 because of his picture being on the most wanted list.

01:51:38.000 He wasn't taken off the most wanted list until the middle part of 2021.

01:51:45.000 There were multiple months span between him calling the FBI in the first instance and being quietly removed.

01:51:52.000 That's not true.

01:51:52.000 Yes, it is.

01:51:53.000 No, that's not true.

01:51:54.000 I can tell you why it's not true, okay?

01:51:57.000 Because what you did, because I read your article, is you looked at two archived versions of the website and you didn't have a 12-month archive.

01:52:03.000 For some reason, you assumed that the recent snapshot that you took at 2021, you think that that was the first time the page has been changed.

01:52:10.000 That was just the first time the page has been archived.

01:52:12.000 I don't think the FBI has made a statement on it, but what What Epps testified to was that he either saw a video of himself or a friend saw a video of himself or a friend saw him on the list and then people were making videos and then he called the FBI and he said, hey, I need to talk to you and this is what's going on.

01:52:25.000 If he was a Fed, why would they remove him from the list when everybody's clearly looking at the list?

01:52:28.000 He was one of the only people removed.

01:52:30.000 Why would senators be defending him so vigilantly?

01:52:32.000 That's a great question.

01:52:33.000 Why was he quietly removed right when the question of federal involvement became a major part of the national

01:52:39.000 conversation?

01:52:40.000 So and let me just I don't want to get lost in these weeds.

01:52:43.000 I just wanted to say something quickly So you're saying he said we need to go into the Capitol

01:52:48.000 Peacefully and you point out correctly that in many instances caught on video. He's engaged in what you could

01:52:55.000 call de-escalation of the crowd and he's not

01:52:58.000 Urging people to violence.

01:53:00.000 That's all correct.

01:53:01.000 I never said he's urging people to violence.

01:53:03.000 He was absolutely a provocateur and his mission as stated and as implemented and as orchestrated by his own Verbatim text was he wanted people to go into the Capitol Peacefully.

01:53:19.000 That might be the case, and if that's all you're saying... It's not all!

01:53:22.000 No, that's everything!

01:53:25.000 Nobody here is saying that he didn't say that and he didn't want people to do that, but the claim is that there's some sort of... That's illegal!

01:53:32.000 That's fine!

01:53:33.000 He can be charged for it!

01:53:34.000 Do you think anybody here cares if he gets charged for that crime?

01:53:36.000 The issue is you're saying that he was doing it under the direction of a federal agency.

01:53:40.000 Yeah, are you saying that- The 6'3 guy that looks like he's dying of type 2 diabetes and arthritis is somehow some intimidating marine captain that's sending people into the capital.

01:53:47.000 That was your claim that you've provided zero evidence for, and you don't in either of the articles that you write about him.

01:53:52.000 We've got Glenn Beck on the horn.

01:53:53.000 Glenn, we've been talking about Ray Epps, we played a video, I'm not sure if you saw it.

01:53:56.000 Glenn, not Glenn Beck.

01:53:58.000 Oh, did I say Glenn Beck?

01:53:59.000 Greenwald.

01:53:59.000 Greenwald, thanks, Glenn.

01:54:00.000 That's so funny, Glenn.

01:54:01.000 They're hard to tell the difference between nowadays, though.

01:54:04.000 That's so funny.

01:54:07.000 What's happened, dude?

01:54:09.000 Well, I just, I mean, I only heard the last four minutes of the conversation, but I'm still always amazed by, I really don't understand the argument, because the FBI in the U.S.

01:54:19.000 security state before January 6th was saying that they regard the greatest threat to national security not as being ISIS or al-Qaeda or Hamas or Hezbollah or China or any other foreign threat, they regard the greatest threat as being right-wing domestic extremists, in whom that was included on many lists, the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, and all of the people in the groups that they said orchestrated January 6th.

01:54:48.000 Is the argument that you think that the FBI was not monitoring and infiltrating those groups?

01:54:54.000 Because there's actually a ton of evidence that the FBI had their hooks in all three of those

01:54:59.000 groups. And not only had their hooks in them, but on January 6th had informants on the ground who

01:55:04.000 were pretending to be Trump supporters who were talking in real time to the FBI about everything

01:55:09.000 that was happening. So I just want to understand what the claim is.

01:55:12.000 The claim that the FBI was not involved in the groups that organized January 6th and didn't have informants with them that day?

01:55:18.000 They weren't instigated.

01:55:19.000 That's your claim.

01:55:20.000 It came out that the vice president of the Oath Keepers was an FBI informant.

01:55:26.000 The Proud Boys had at least three and as many as eight and the New York Times itself reported that there were FBI informants and the Proud Boys who were inside the

01:55:36.000 Capitol texting their handlers as the event unfolded. So they recorded the garage,

01:55:43.000 they recorded the garage meeting the day before and the Fed said to the court

01:55:46.000 nothing was said violent or no planning. Yeah.

01:55:49.000 Brian, you wanted to say something?

01:55:50.000 Yeah, so I'm just confused.

01:55:51.000 So you're saying that Ray Epps was actually a federal agent who was indicted, who pled guilty, and is likely going to get six months in prison?

01:56:03.000 Is that your argument?

01:56:03.000 Well, the New York Times predicted... Wait, wait, wait.

01:56:06.000 So about Epps, you know, so a couple of things there.

01:56:09.000 You don't find it a little bit strange?

01:56:12.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:56:13.000 I'll get to you.

01:56:13.000 I promise you.

01:56:14.000 I promise you I'll address that.

01:56:16.000 But let's just consider the context.

01:56:18.000 The context in the immediate aftermath of January 6th, by the words of Steve Sherwin, who was in charge of the prosecution, their posture was one of quote-unquote shock and awe.

01:56:29.000 They were going after everyone.

01:56:31.000 They were hitting them very hard.

01:56:33.000 Now again, think about central casting.

01:56:36.000 On paper, Ray Epps, he's the 6'3", former Marine in camouflage gear with a Trump hat, the only guy caught on video as early as the 5th telling people to go into the Capitol, who's there on the 6th.

01:56:49.000 Directing people of the Capitol, who's right there pre-positioned at that initial breach phase.

01:56:55.000 and this and and and and helping rams on exactly and

01:56:59.000 he happens to be a former head of the oath keepers and you're not telling us bizarre wait a second

01:57:05.000 you're not telling me it's at least a little bit bizarre that of all january six participants

01:57:10.000 he's the only one who gets a new york times puff piece he's the only one who gets a sixty six uh... sixty minutes

01:57:16.000 sympathy segment he's the only one that adam kinsinger

01:57:19.000 will defend so you say that new york times now working with the feds working

01:57:23.000 with the right outside of the car but i guess no it has a very nice and i think

01:57:27.000 we can why do you think they are all those articles one of the center of the

01:57:30.000 remedies and i read it because i was also going back on a little white white

01:57:34.000 iraqis articles when she said apart when it was i want to address your question

01:57:37.000 directly you're saying if you're an asset by the way i'm not

01:57:41.000 Definitive in the sense that, oh, I don't think he was working directly for the FBI.

01:57:45.000 I don't even know if he was directly working for the federal government.

01:57:48.000 He was an asset.

01:57:49.000 He was acting on behalf of a third party.

01:57:51.000 He was not an authentic actor on that day.

01:57:55.000 That I will say with a great deal of confidence.

01:57:57.000 But wait a second.

01:57:58.000 It's a victory.

01:57:59.000 Let me say one thing.

01:58:00.000 I've been gone for 10 minutes.

01:58:01.000 It's a victory.

01:58:02.000 They went from saying he's an angel, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times.

01:58:06.000 He's perfectly.

01:58:08.000 They've been forced to indict him.

01:58:10.000 Alex, quick thing on that.

01:58:12.000 The criminal complaint acknowledges that he engaged in quote-unquote felonious behavior, but among the mitigating factors that they cite is, oh, this poor guy was a victim of all these conspiracy theories.

01:58:27.000 It's pretty remarkable.

01:58:28.000 Well, he was, though.

01:58:29.000 He absolutely was.

01:58:29.000 He was.

01:58:30.000 Why didn't you answer my question?

01:58:33.000 Why were people writing I want to just quickly answer the question about, your question basically, if he was an asset, why did they go after their own asset?

01:58:45.000 Why would they indict their own asset?

01:58:47.000 That happens all the time.

01:58:48.000 In fact, that's almost the norm, that ultimately when the assets... In the mafia, when they have undercover people, they'll indict them just as a cover.

01:58:54.000 When the assets become liabilities, they indict them.

01:58:58.000 In fact, we don't have to go too far into the past to get a case of that.

01:59:02.000 There is the Michigan Fednapping case.

01:59:04.000 I think you need a better argument.

01:59:05.000 where there is the informant Steve Robeson who is a longtime over decade

01:59:05.000 Really fast, really fast.

01:59:10.000 long informant who was part of the entrapment scheme in Michigan case with

01:59:14.000 striking perilous to January 6th by the way and he when he became inconvenient

01:59:19.000 was indicted by the government there's so many cases. For breaking the law, for actually breaking the law.

01:59:24.000 I need a better argument. I want to get my point in really fast, really fast. I haven't been able to get my point in.

01:59:30.000 So you're saying that Ray Epps is a federal agent. Well I didn't say that.

01:59:35.000 I said he was acting on behalf of the third party.

01:59:37.000 He's an inauthentic actor on January 6th.

01:59:39.000 Even though there's no evidence of this.

01:59:41.000 And then you're saying he's turning around and he's suing Fox News for defamation, which is going to open up...

01:59:48.000 All sorts of cans of worms with discovery that he's going to have to provide legally in front of a court.

01:59:56.000 You think that if he was a federal agent he'd be suing Fox News for defamation?

02:00:00.000 They know they control the jurisdiction but he did say in a text message that day during and I orchestrated the attack.

02:00:06.000 You think he's going to sue for defamation?

02:00:08.000 He was driving to his nephew that asked him if he was there.

02:00:12.000 And he said, I orchestrated it.

02:00:13.000 He said, I orchestrated it.

02:00:15.000 To his nephew.

02:00:18.000 Why would a federal agent text such incriminating evidence to his nephew?

02:00:22.000 Why wasn't he indicted before?

02:00:24.000 We made him the centerpiece of that congressional hearings.

02:00:27.000 He was all over the news.

02:00:28.000 They were forced to do it thanks to Tugger Carlson and Professor Darren Beattie's work.

02:00:33.000 Wait, why do you trust Tugger Carlson when he said he lied to you?

02:00:37.000 Tucker Carlson said Sidney Powell was crazy.

02:00:39.000 Tucker Carlson left Fox News because he didn't believe the election fraud claims, that he was being forced to push on TV because of Trump.

02:00:45.000 Why would you trust Tucker Carlson, of all people?

02:00:46.000 Tucker, early on, thought it was wrong.

02:00:48.000 Now he says he was wrong about that.

02:00:50.000 Now he says he thinks the elections are crazy.

02:00:52.000 Let me answer your question about the discovery.

02:00:55.000 When a lawsuit goes away, the answers change.

02:00:57.000 Listen, whether you're right or wrong, you have a right to question the elections.

02:01:00.000 The Democrats do all the time.

02:01:02.000 No one wants to take that right from you.

02:01:03.000 Yes.

02:01:03.000 Brian, you were saying?

02:01:05.000 I didn't say that.

02:01:06.000 Glenn, go ahead. The whole context for this conversation

02:01:06.000 I didn't say that.

02:01:10.000 is again, I mean, you just keep going back to it cuz it's so easy to see. People have

02:01:15.000 this idea of the FBI like, they don't do this sort of thing.

02:01:19.000 Earlier, I think it was Ed who said, wait, why would the New York Times run a puppy?

02:01:22.000 Do you think they're working with the FBI? That idea to him is so-

02:01:25.000 Yes, I didn't say that, I didn't say that, it was me.

02:01:28.000 They have no idea what the history of the FBI is in this country. They have no idea

02:01:31.000 that the FBI throughout the entire war on terror did this over and over. They would

02:01:35.000 target and entrap all sorts of vulnerable Muslims to engage in plots that the FBI created in order

02:01:42.000 to create a narrative that the FBI was needed because there was a much bigger threat of

02:01:46.000 Islamic terrorism than there actually was. The FBI has been infiltrating and then

02:01:50.000 using provocateurs to encourage groups to commit crimes so that the FBI can gain more power,

02:01:55.000 can spread this narrative. You have to be incredibly naive or only paying attention

02:01:59.000 to the news since 2016, thinking Donald Trump is the only issue.

02:02:02.000 Not to understand that this is what the FBI has been doing for decades. And so to have this

02:02:07.000 like naive attitude like, it was the New York Times working with the FBI. That is what the

02:02:11.000 media in this country has been doing for decades. But you have no evidence of it,

02:02:14.000 you're just making theories up.

02:02:16.000 By the way, if I can just add a nice little colorful detail there.

02:02:20.000 The author of the Ray Epps puff piece that asked none of the questions that would get to the core of his involvement there.

02:02:27.000 It's a total puff piece, you can read it yourself.

02:02:29.000 The author of that, his previous work, includes the CIA authorized account of the Sinaloa cartel.

02:02:38.000 Yeah, the idea of the New York Times doing clean-up work for the deep states is insane.

02:02:43.000 What Glenn Greenwald was saying is key.

02:02:45.000 I remember the New York Times headline.

02:02:46.000 They can pull it up in there.

02:02:47.000 We're not showing videos or clips.

02:02:49.000 It would be too much here.

02:02:50.000 I remember the New York Times headline like 15 years ago.

02:02:53.000 97% of Islamic terror plots were hatched and run by the FBI.

02:02:58.000 That was the headline.

02:02:59.000 We're getting so far away from the point, though.

02:03:00.000 Including the first World Trade Center bombing, by the way, which is... Alex, Alex, Alex, just one really quick thing.

02:03:06.000 You said Ray Epps was one of the last to be charged.

02:03:10.000 He isn't the last to be charged.

02:03:12.000 There's 1,200 people that have been charged.

02:03:14.000 1,250, I believe.

02:03:14.000 Who said he's the last to be charged?

02:03:16.000 Who said that?

02:03:17.000 Alex said they waited three years.

02:03:18.000 Yeah, they waited three years.

02:03:19.000 That's insignificant.

02:03:20.000 Do you realize that they're still indicting people?

02:03:22.000 And they expect that they're probably going to... I mean, I was going to keep putting words in my mouth.

02:03:25.000 They had puff pieces.

02:03:26.000 No, no, let me finish my point, Alex.

02:03:26.000 He was on ABC.

02:03:28.000 Oh my God.

02:03:29.000 So, do you realize that they're still indicting people?

02:03:32.000 There's likely going to be hundreds of people still indicted.

02:03:34.000 Ray Epps didn't get any less a sentence than anybody else that did anything like him.

02:03:39.000 Well, first of all, they could have hit him with more serious charges than they did.

02:03:43.000 He addressed me.

02:03:44.000 What charge do you recommend?

02:03:48.000 What charge would have been a fair charge?

02:03:50.000 May I respond to what you said?

02:03:51.000 Yeah, let Alex respond.

02:03:52.000 I want to hear Darren's response.

02:03:53.000 My God!

02:03:54.000 The man is like a chicken with his head cut off for three days, including the day of the event, running around saying, go in the Capitol.

02:04:00.000 He's ramming signs into people.

02:04:02.000 He testifies, I orchestrated this attack.

02:04:05.000 He did not testify, though.

02:04:07.000 And then, there was a Jan 6th committee.

02:04:09.000 They asked about this text message, he said, I did that.

02:04:11.000 Text, yeah, the text, he didn't testify that he orchestrated it.

02:04:13.000 No, he testified to the Jan 6th committee!

02:04:15.000 They sent the message to his nephew, yes.

02:04:16.000 No, he testified to the Jan... No, he didn't.

02:04:18.000 That he orchestrated it to the Jan 6th committee?

02:04:20.000 He's...

02:04:21.000 You keep interrupting me because you can't... You're not telling the truth.

02:04:24.000 I'm Michael Jordan slamming on you?

02:04:26.000 And what's going to happen is, everybody's going to get this clip.

02:04:29.000 He testified to the Jan 6th Committee.

02:04:31.000 They said, is this your text message?

02:04:33.000 Yes.

02:04:33.000 He said yes.

02:04:34.000 I told my nephew, I orchestrated it.

02:04:36.000 Now stop.

02:04:37.000 Let me finish my point.

02:04:39.000 Thank you for being honest with us.

02:04:42.000 You keep acting honest!

02:04:44.000 He said I orchestrated it!

02:04:46.000 You keep acting like my... He testified that he said to his nephew that he said that.

02:04:49.000 In a text message.

02:04:49.000 Yes!

02:04:51.000 And he did orchestrate it.

02:04:52.000 He did testify.

02:04:53.000 So the point is you keep acting like my victory is a failure.

02:04:56.000 Where's the evidence that he orchestrated it?

02:04:58.000 I'd love to see that.

02:04:59.000 He said it!

02:04:59.000 To his nephew!

02:05:00.000 I text my friend's things all the time that are embellishments.

02:05:05.000 Let me finish my point.

02:05:07.000 They're all over every major corporate channel saying this poor little baby.

02:05:12.000 They're saying he was a fed or an operative or a provocateur for some NGO.

02:05:16.000 He didn't do anything wrong.

02:05:18.000 And when it got so obvious, they finally indicted him with a slap on the wrist.

02:05:22.000 And then you're sitting here saying he didn't testify.

02:05:25.000 He just testified.

02:05:27.000 Whoa.

02:05:28.000 No, he said he didn't testify that he orchestrated.

02:05:31.000 He testified that he sent that text to his nephew.

02:05:34.000 That he orchestrated it.

02:05:35.000 But no, then they asked him.

02:05:37.000 Alex, then they asked him if he actually orchestrated it, what was his answer?

02:05:41.000 Uh, in the transcript he said, uh... It wasn't that he orchestrated it.

02:05:47.000 So if I send somebody a message saying, you know, bank is robbed, I robbed the bank.

02:05:50.000 Have you ever embellished a text message to anybody that you know?

02:05:52.000 Like you, like maybe not, maybe not you, I can't see you doing that, but maybe...

02:05:58.000 Actually, I'm kind of understanding.

02:06:00.000 Alex, you start bringing up a good point.

02:06:02.000 If I send a text message saying I robbed the bank, can I get charged with robbing a bank if I didn't do it?

02:06:07.000 If they got evidence.

02:06:08.000 Exactly!

02:06:09.000 Exactly!

02:06:10.000 They need the evidence!

02:06:11.000 It's not like he's there saying go into the building.

02:06:13.000 It's not like he's there saying go into the building and ramming signs.

02:06:16.000 You're right.

02:06:17.000 He's not there saying go in for three days.

02:06:19.000 He's not there ramming signs.

02:06:20.000 You're right.

02:06:21.000 Ray Epps is innocent.

02:06:22.000 He's not there ramming signs.

02:06:24.000 Can we get back to my question?

02:06:27.000 You guys are indefensible.

02:06:28.000 My question is, what should Ray Epps have been charged with?

02:06:32.000 What law did he break that instead of what he was charged with, I think, was obstructing the proceeding?

02:06:36.000 Let him respond!

02:06:37.000 No, he was not charged with that.

02:06:39.000 That's the interesting thing.

02:06:40.000 He was charged with what was it?

02:06:41.000 He was not charged with obstruction of an official proceeding, which would have been a very easy charge and a fairly typical felony charge given to us.

02:06:49.000 Exactly.

02:06:49.000 So wait, wait, let me answer this comprehensively.

02:06:52.000 So first of all, It's extremely strange, given how conspicuous and egregious and concentrated his behavior was, that he somehow was able to avoid the obstruction of official proceeding charge, number one.

02:07:09.000 Number two, there are even more serious charges they could have given him.

02:07:13.000 In fact, in the series of videos that we put out, there's one specific exchange he had with another guy.

02:07:19.000 He said, when we go in, Leave this here.

02:07:24.000 We don't want to get shot.

02:07:26.000 So when we go in, leave this here, he's referring to that individual's bear spray.

02:07:31.000 That individual ends up going into the Capitol, committing violence, and doing a whole bunch of

02:07:36.000 other things. And this is a bizarre case because this guy, who is super egregious, has to this day

02:07:42.000 not fully been charged.

02:07:45.000 His case hasn't even gone to a district judge yet.

02:07:48.000 So let me give you a sense.

02:07:50.000 Let me give you a sense.

02:07:51.000 Because when we're evaluating these things, we have to compare them to standards applied to others.

02:07:56.000 Oh, let me stop you.

02:07:57.000 You'll go next.

02:07:58.000 Owen Schroer, I've known him eight years, he's a badass guy that helps disabled children

02:08:04.000 and is literally like a super good person.

02:08:08.000 No criminal issues in his life other than protesting.

02:08:12.000 He is with me saying don't go in, they charge him and in the charging documents say Owen's

02:08:19.000 He doesn't work for Infowars.

02:08:21.000 That's in the charging documents, the sentencing documents.

02:08:24.000 The judge says I'm putting you in these months in federal prison because you just questioned the election again and gave three examples.

02:08:31.000 Owen spends months in a federal prison.

02:08:35.000 Why don't you talk about the deferred deferred agreement that he had in No, I agree, I will.

02:08:41.000 Code Pink runs around in protesting.

02:08:43.000 He put tape over his mouth when they were letting leftists run around and throw red paint in Congress.

02:08:47.000 And they said, sir, you can't do that.

02:08:49.000 And he agreed that he wouldn't do it.

02:08:51.000 And he didn't protest.

02:08:53.000 He went to Congress as a journalist.

02:08:55.000 He was in a restricted area, though.

02:08:57.000 No, he was... Listen.

02:09:00.000 Listen, listen.

02:09:01.000 Owen is there with me saying don't go in.

02:09:03.000 He agreed he would not protest.

02:09:05.000 He was there saying don't go in the Capitol and you're not going to defend him going to prison.

02:09:09.000 But he pled guilty to everything that he got charged with.

02:09:12.000 Because it's a rigged D.C.

02:09:14.000 court.

02:09:16.000 Or you could explain it.

02:09:19.000 It's funny because the problem is on our side.

02:09:20.000 We've got testimony under oath.

02:09:22.000 We've got judicial rulings.

02:09:23.000 We've got jury trials.

02:09:24.000 We've got full videos.

02:09:25.000 We have all of these pieces of evidence.

02:09:30.000 I can't finish a single statement.

02:09:33.000 Yeah, the problem is... Let me tell you something.

02:09:34.000 Steve, my reporter, deserves to go to jail for being there and trying to keep people from going to the building.

02:09:39.000 He pled guilty!

02:09:39.000 He had a deferment!

02:09:40.000 He did!

02:09:40.000 He pled guilty!

02:09:41.000 What do you do in a rigged D.C.

02:09:43.000 Fight your case!

02:09:43.000 court?

02:09:44.000 Yeah!

02:09:45.000 Oh yeah!

02:09:45.000 Innocent fight!

02:09:46.000 If you have evidence that you're innocent, fight!

02:09:48.000 But there was no evidence because he broke the agreement that he signed and then he pled guilty and said, I broke the agreement that I signed and agreed to the sentence that the sentencing guy got.

02:09:57.000 And Trump should be able to run for office.

02:09:58.000 Also, this entire argument has been you, again, arguing for an insurrection, for a rebellion.

02:10:03.000 All we have, everything we have over here is actual testimony under oath, actual judicial

02:10:07.000 rulings, actual rulings by judges, actual rulings by Supreme Court.

02:10:11.000 I have to go to finish, I have to go to finish, I gotta go to finish.

02:10:16.000 We can provide these arguments, we can provide the evidence, we can provide the testimony,

02:10:19.000 and all you do is go, "Oh, well I don't trust the courts.

02:10:21.000 Oh, well I don't trust statements made under oath.

02:10:23.000 Oh, well, oh, hasn't the FBI done this in the past?"

02:10:25.000 You can skirt by providing hard evidence... I gotta be able to finish one thing.

02:10:31.000 You can skirt by on providing any hard evidence for literally a single claim that you've made today.

02:10:36.000 There hasn't been any evidence provided to support Any of the claims made today, and you are hand-brushing away every single other claim that's made by people that were loyal to Trump, by people that Trump trusted over and over and over again, and at the end of the day, like, what could you possibly be advocating for besides an insurrection?

02:10:54.000 I can't even finish my thing.

02:10:55.000 I think it's because when I talk, you get really afraid.

02:10:57.000 I appreciate that.

02:11:02.000 When I defended Ellen, you just said, here you are advocating for insurrection again, exact quote.

02:11:07.000 A guy saying, don't go in the Capitol as a reporter, and you don't even stand up for the First Amendment.

02:11:12.000 Do you trust the courts?

02:11:14.000 I don't think most Americans do, and that's when you have real revolutions.

02:11:16.000 Okay, if you don't trust the court, real revolution.

02:11:18.000 What do you do in a real revolution?

02:11:19.000 Hey, listen, we're not trying to go there right now.

02:11:21.000 We are there right now, we just were.

02:11:23.000 It's January 6th, if there was any time to go there.

02:11:25.000 Don't worry.

02:11:26.000 Don't touch me.

02:11:27.000 If there is one, you're going to lose.

02:11:29.000 Sure, we'll see, okay.

02:11:32.000 Didn't like four people dying on January 6th from obesity and meth?

02:11:37.000 If these are the people we have to fight, it'll be okay.

02:11:38.000 Oh, Ashley Babbitt, you're dehumanizing her? 1.00

02:11:40.000 Was she on meth?

02:11:41.000 I don't think she was one of the four that died from meth.

02:11:43.000 Did she deserve to be shot?

02:11:43.000 She died from the gunshot.

02:11:46.000 She was trying to climb into an area where federal agents were saying, if you climb in here, I'm gonna shoot you.

02:11:49.000 Federal gods?

02:11:50.000 Federal gods?

02:11:51.000 I'm sorry, do federal agents not have the right to shoot people?

02:11:53.000 So you would've pulled the trigger on her.

02:11:54.000 You liked that.

02:11:55.000 If I was one of the federal agents there and I thought it was appropriate to do so, yeah.

02:11:59.000 Their job is to protect the people inside.

02:12:01.000 Do I like that?

02:12:03.000 No, you guys were the ones cheering on the other side of that.

02:12:06.000 You guys were cheering for it the entire time.

02:12:08.000 Wait, I want to know, what do we do if we don't trust the courts?

02:12:11.000 We don't trust the courts, we don't trust the president, we don't trust- Hey, does Julian Assange deserve to be in prison?

02:12:15.000 I'm not here to talk about Julian Assange or the rest of your friends, okay?

02:12:18.000 Tell me, what do we do if we don't trust him?

02:12:20.000 There's a reason he won't answer the question.

02:12:21.000 The reason why is because he answered rebellion and insurrection.

02:12:23.000 We are going to get back to- I talked about Owen, who was there peacefully and said, don't go in, and he said, you're defending insurrection.

02:12:33.000 Everybody's gonna play that quote.

02:12:35.000 That's not true!

02:12:36.000 Okay, I think, and you know what, I agree.

02:12:38.000 I think claiming that that is a defensive insurrection is different.

02:12:40.000 You were defending, maybe, Owen?

02:12:42.000 Yes.

02:12:43.000 Now, I want to get back to Darren, because there was a question that was, uh, we took a tangent, and also, Glenn, I think you look like you're about to say something, so if you wanted to speak first.

02:12:43.000 Okay.

02:12:51.000 Yeah, but, but, Darren, go ahead first on, on, just to close the re-eps thing, but I do want to say something as well about what I've been hearing.

02:12:59.000 I'm fine.

02:13:00.000 What charges do you think he should have gotten?

02:13:01.000 Oh, I think he could and should have gotten far more serious charges.

02:13:05.000 The first example is the easiest and most readily available obstruction of official proceeding, which is basically the standard charge for people who have done far less egregious things.

02:13:15.000 No, but it really isn't, though, because the only people in charge with that, I believe, are the people who went into the House chamber.

02:13:21.000 No.

02:13:21.000 The people that walked through the Capitol did not get charged with that.

02:13:25.000 First of all, that's not the case.

02:13:26.000 And second of all, that's not an ironclad law pertaining to the application of that charge.

02:13:34.000 Secondly, there's a far more serious conspiracy charge that the government had available to them if we use the standards that they've applied in similar January 6th cases.

02:13:44.000 It was way worse!

02:13:46.000 Way worse than Joe Biggs or Stuart Rhodes.

02:13:48.000 I mean he's literally... Where's Stuart Rhodes saying invade the Capitol?

02:13:52.000 Where's Stuart Rhodes attacking people or ramming signs?

02:13:55.000 Ray Epps did that!

02:13:56.000 Stuart Rhodes literally said that if Trump doesn't impose the Insurrection Act that we need an insurrection and he said storm the Capitol and he went into the Capitol and he hurt police officers.

02:14:09.000 And you call for people to- Joe Biggs said- Joe Biggs went into the Capitol.

02:14:13.000 What did Joe Biggs say?

02:14:15.000 I got- Either Joe Biggs or Stuart Rhodes.

02:14:17.000 Stuart Rhodes did not do that.

02:14:18.000 No, one of them, I forget which one it was- Joe Biggs.

02:14:21.000 Was- he said that- Yeah, Joe got- You're not letting- you don't even know what I'm going to say.

02:14:26.000 You're in jail, he doesn't deserve- You don't know what I'm going to say though.

02:14:29.000 One of them called for people to defend the White House and shoot to kill the National Guard and any other authorities.

02:14:36.000 Let me just answer really quickly.

02:14:38.000 Let me, let me, I did say that on air and I told him he was wrong to his face.

02:14:43.000 So I'm going to be honest.

02:14:44.000 Wait a second.

02:14:44.000 One thing.

02:14:45.000 Before it happened, he did say if Trump calls us out for a civil war, I was like, dude, I'm not for this on air.

02:14:51.000 Well, you're right.

02:14:52.000 That's very quick.

02:14:53.000 I agree, there's a lot of rhetoric on both sides, that's true.

02:14:55.000 You wanted an example of somebody who didn't go into the Capitol, who got obstruction from the official proceeding?

02:15:00.000 Thomas Caldwell.

02:15:01.000 That's one of many.

02:15:02.000 What did he do?

02:15:03.000 I'm going to be honest, Stuart Rhodes did say what he just said.

02:15:03.000 I'm not familiar.

02:15:07.000 So, you put that together with... No, I did, there was some rhetoric.

02:15:09.000 It was dangerous.

02:15:15.000 So, I mean, if you put that together with the planning, him and Biggs were planning on two different ends, one Oath Keepers, one Travelers.

02:15:22.000 There's no proof they planned it.

02:15:23.000 Well, if you look at the Telegram messages.

02:15:25.000 An undercover agent recorded the conversation in the garage.

02:15:28.000 But have you looked at the Telegram messages where they're basically instructing people where to go and where they're at and that saying, hey, we stormed the Capitol, we took the Capitol.

02:15:38.000 Yeah, there's no doubt there was LARPing without Trump's directives of some people talking about that.

02:15:44.000 Wait, why don't we trust their messages, but we do trust Ray Epps bragging to his nephew that he orchestrated it?

02:15:49.000 No, I just said they were talking about it.

02:15:51.000 Yeah, Glenn, let's be honest.

02:15:54.000 Let's let Glenn finish this one off, because then I have another question for you guys.

02:15:57.000 Yeah, the whole thing, like, listening to them.

02:16:00.000 Honestly, it's like listening, I don't mean to be insulting, I'm just saying this, you know, it's what it sounds like, like, 7th graders who are in civics class and have this understanding of how the US government works, like, oh, the FBI investigate, and they discover crimes, and then they go to the courts, and the courts are very honest, and the courts are apolitical, and the courts make rulings, Everything that has happened in January 6th, and you can even look at the people they picked and choose who to expand the law, the people who ended up getting prosecuted on felony counts even though they were non-violent had these incredibly novel interpretations of law that were used against them to turn non-violent demonstration and non-violent political protest into felony by taking this

02:16:39.000 post Enron law and giving it a stretched meeting that it never had before.

02:16:42.000 And the reason so many of them plead guilty is because they know that if they

02:16:45.000 go into court, they're going to have rulings against them.

02:16:48.000 Because a lot of these judges, especially in Washington, are not only Democratic Party judges, but the entire system

02:16:53.000 is furious to watch people go and put their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk.

02:16:58.000 So the entire system decided that this has to be punished regardless of

02:17:02.000 what the law provides.

02:17:03.000 You had the FBI with their hooks inside all of these groups.

02:17:07.000 But I do understand that if you believe in this story of American propaganda,

02:17:10.000 that the FBI is these upstanding law enforcement people and they don't do that, and then the courts go and make rulings.

02:17:15.000 Then you're going to end up with this image of what the three of them have,

02:17:19.000 which is this idea that this was one of the worst attacks in American history.

02:17:22.000 The courts have ruled everything the government did in this case is consistent with their long-standing view before January 6th, that these groups are criminal groups.

02:17:32.000 They need to be criminalized.

02:17:33.000 Trump's movement is a threat to the United States, and the entire part of January 6th was designed to define them as an insurrectionary movement so that they could criminalize them, which is exactly what they're doing.

02:17:42.000 890 convictions are guilty, please.

02:17:43.000 Two acquittals.

02:17:44.000 Two.

02:17:44.000 892.

02:17:44.000 How many of those were accused of violence?

02:17:46.000 to Glenn Reupholst. 890 convictions are guilty please. Two acquittals. Two. 892.

02:17:56.000 How many of those were accused of violence?

02:18:00.000 They're not convicted of insurrection.

02:18:02.000 I believe 170 or so were for violent acts.

02:18:06.000 A tiny number, a small percentage.

02:18:09.000 Yeah, and the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court is and they should be.

02:18:13.000 But non-violent.

02:18:14.000 Let's talk, go ahead.

02:18:15.000 You understand that usually what happens in the United States with non-violent protesters or even with violent protesters is they don't get charged with anything.

02:18:24.000 A tiny percentage of people who use violence throughout all of the Black Lives Matter protests ended up in jail because the ideology in which they were protesting was one that was considered positive and friendly.

02:18:35.000 It's not the same though.

02:18:36.000 If you want to actually make these- Let me just back up briefly and I'll shut up.

02:18:38.000 They didn't prosecute that.

02:18:40.000 The Trump movement and the right-wing extremists, as the government calls them, are considered

02:18:44.000 enemies of the state.

02:18:45.000 And that was why the entire law enforcement mechanisms were distorted.

02:18:54.000 It's not the same to compare Black Lives Matter protestors and protestors who entered the Capitol building during the certification of the election.

02:19:03.000 Those are not... Democrats have bombed the U.S.

02:19:06.000 Capitol.

02:19:06.000 Democrats have bombed it.

02:19:07.000 They burned down courthouses and burned down police stations.

02:19:11.000 And they had within them people who were insurrectionary.

02:19:14.000 And they got charged, as they should have.

02:19:15.000 They got charged.

02:19:17.000 There are plenty of them that were charged.

02:19:19.000 There are plenty that were charged.

02:19:21.000 Can I just say one thing?

02:19:22.000 I'm going to say one thing.

02:19:22.000 I'm going to take a break here.

02:19:24.000 Yeah, we're actually all going to be taking a short five minute break.

02:19:27.000 I'm just going to say this right now.

02:19:29.000 Ladies and gentlemen.

02:19:31.000 We saw billions of dollars of stuff burned down.

02:19:33.000 We saw all the killings.

02:19:35.000 And we never said all Democrats are involved in that.

02:19:38.000 Biden gave a speech yesterday that was Hitlerian, in my view.

02:19:41.000 Literally saying everyone in D.C.

02:19:43.000 They're all bad.

02:19:43.000 was a terrorist.

02:19:44.000 You can't vote for Trump.

02:19:46.000 We're taking him off the ballot.

02:19:48.000 America's going into martial law to stop him.

02:19:51.000 Our republic is in danger.

02:19:52.000 I've got the transcript right here.

02:19:53.000 Yeah.

02:19:55.000 Everyone in D.C.

02:19:56.000 is a terrorist. 0.85

02:19:56.000 That's a Biden direct quote. 0.85

02:19:57.000 Is that Hunter Biden or Joe Biden?

02:19:59.000 I know you love Hunter, but the point is, this was a hysterical diatribe.

02:20:04.000 This is dangerous.

02:20:06.000 So Alex, what if instead of the Capitol is the White House, and there's thousands of people at the White House fence, and they push through the fence, do you think those people deserve more of a criminal penalty than people that were rioting in, I don't know, LA?

02:20:23.000 No, I mean, if it turns out they were under the directive of a foreign power... No, no, it was just a bunch of Americans.

02:20:29.000 Do they kill a cop? 0.52

02:20:30.000 It's the crime they commit.

02:20:31.000 If a bunch of Americans, when Trump was in the White House, stormed the White House fences... With guns.

02:20:36.000 With weapons, and made it past the fence... Oh, like Ashley Mabin got shot?

02:20:39.000 No, no, made it past the fence... Oh, they shot Ashley Mabin?

02:20:41.000 The Trump supporter shot Ashley Mabin, okay.

02:20:43.000 Made it past the fence, and they were...

02:20:45.000 At the doors of the White House.

02:20:47.000 Do you think that they would act?

02:20:48.000 When Trump asked for the National Guard to stop that, Milley said no.

02:20:52.000 Trump didn't ask for the National Guard.

02:20:53.000 He didn't ask for the National Guard.

02:20:54.000 Milley's on record saying, I threaten to resign if Trump was troops.

02:20:58.000 That was for January 6th.

02:21:00.000 That wasn't January 6th.

02:21:01.000 That was weeks before.

02:21:02.000 You just said about the White House.

02:21:03.000 Yeah, but nobody... See, I'm giving you specifics.

02:21:05.000 Nobody was actually... I'm giving you specifics.

02:21:07.000 Did anybody cross police barricades into the White House?

02:21:10.000 No.

02:21:10.000 You know what I saw was the police, after a little bit of a fight, opened the doors and waved people in, and a bunch of... They didn't wave people in.

02:21:17.000 Oh my God!

02:21:18.000 Everybody, get the footage of the police waving... There's one clip out of 40,000 hours.

02:21:23.000 There's hundreds.

02:21:24.000 There's no hundreds of clips of people waving people through the door.

02:21:27.000 What I saw were people breaking the windows, climbing through broken windows, unlocking multiple doors, and letting other people in.

02:21:35.000 Once in, police were forced to basically de-escalate the situation and make sure that the Congress people were protected.

02:21:42.000 At that point, they were outnumbered 10 to 1, the Capitol Police, to the rioters.

02:21:46.000 At that point, Those videos where they're walking alongside people, they're funneling them into the... I was there, I was there.

02:21:53.000 You weren't in the Capitol, and I give you credit for that.

02:21:56.000 You knew when to turn around.

02:21:57.000 The Wall Street Journal said I was cowardly on top of a car, commanding people to invade.

02:22:02.000 But thank God Jack Posobiec...

02:22:04.000 Because I didn't have a Twitter then.

02:22:06.000 Put the video out of me saying don't go in.

02:22:07.000 I got through in the middle of it.

02:22:09.000 I'm glad you didn't.

02:22:10.000 And yet you made the right decision.

02:22:11.000 When you're there with 300,000 people, a million in town, and they don't even know what's happening in front of them.

02:22:15.000 They're being guided in.

02:22:17.000 A lot of those innocent people that just walked to the Capitol have been sent to prison.

02:22:20.000 All right, we're going to take a, well actually we're not going to be taking a break, you may be, but I want to ask you guys, we're talking about these people in prison, these prison sentences, so we're going to, I want to talk to you briefly about if you think these prison sentences that some of these people are getting are justified or not, and then we're going to be taking questions from the audience from Zero Hedge Premium, so if you haven't signed up at zerohedge.com, sign up for the premium service, and you may be able to get a question before we wrap.

02:22:43.000 But what do you guys think?

02:22:44.000 I mean, let me start with you, Darren, because I haven't heard from you.

02:22:46.000 By the way, I don't want to wrap, I mean, I say take a break, A lot of people are tuning in now.

02:22:52.000 I'll keep having this debate all day long.

02:22:53.000 Yeah, we might keep going.

02:22:54.000 Um, but Darren, what do you think about the prison sentences in general that these people have been getting?

02:22:58.000 Um, I think they're completely overblown and they're, you know, it's consistent with what we're talking about.

02:23:03.000 This amplification of January 6th into this false domestic terrorist act and, you know, the stakes.

02:23:11.000 What are the stakes involved?

02:23:13.000 The reason it's being amplified in this fashion is to justify the further weaponization of the national security apparatus against Trump supporters and to suppress the energies associated with Trump's movement.

02:23:25.000 Therefore, you have these crazy sentencing.

02:23:28.000 I think they're all crazy.

02:23:29.000 Even those top sentences for the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, 20 years, 18 years.

02:23:35.000 It's simply insane when you think about, you know, again, all of it has to be comparative.

02:23:41.000 Are people guilty of murder who get less prison time?

02:23:45.000 And the self-described, self-professed posture of the DOJ in the immediate aftermath of January 6th is one of shock and awe, which ominously, but kind of unwittingly accurately, Um, recalls the Iraq war and the war on terror.

02:24:04.000 This is, this is not an accident.

02:24:06.000 It's very fitting that the Department of Homeland Security is the tip of the spear when it comes to this repurposing of the national security apparatus.

02:24:15.000 It was the Department of Homeland Security that said white supremacy is the number one national security threat and by white supremacy they mean Trump.

02:24:23.000 All of these people have also said January 6th was a white supremacist Insurrection.

02:24:30.000 Hillary Clinton has said that MAGA is a white supremacist slogan.

02:24:33.000 So that helps to contextualize and clarify what they mean when they say white supremacy is the number one national security threat.

02:24:43.000 And so basically these people, even the people who committed illegal acts, are in effect political prisoners because of the political context.

02:24:53.000 of these prosecutions which are vastly overblown and could only make sense within this political context of the weaponization not only of the national security state but unfortunately now also the legal apparatus.

02:25:07.000 Let's go on the line with Glenn again and then all you guys but I just want to say something.

02:25:11.000 This is important folks.

02:25:13.000 In June of 2021 Biden put out a national security memorandum which you just mentioned saying Right-wing extremism is the number one threat.

02:25:22.000 Then he defined that as white supremacism and then said, questioning open borders, questioning elections, questioning lockdowns, questioning four shots.

02:25:30.000 That's in the report.

02:25:31.000 I've shown it hundreds of times on air.

02:25:33.000 Literally declaring the people enemy.

02:25:35.000 Then he gives a speech with this red background with Marines.

02:25:39.000 I thought I was watching Adolf Hitler. 0.86

02:25:40.000 And then yesterday he gives a speech saying, they're taking over, they're a danger, we're at war, all off a riot at the Capitol.

02:25:47.000 At best, it's a riot, and obviously provocateur.

02:25:50.000 So, this is a branding of 80 million voters plus as a political enemy.

02:25:56.000 This is extremely totalitarian, extremely dangerous, and I was there, I know.

02:26:02.000 You're in a crowd of hundreds of thousands, tear gas is coming down, you can't even see what's happening at the Capitol.

02:26:09.000 You're saying, don't go in there, we've got a stage.

02:26:11.000 I go there, there's a stage, no one there.

02:26:13.000 I mean, we were set up.

02:26:16.000 And I was set up, and thank God that I waited 30-40 minutes.

02:26:19.000 I didn't know what to do.

02:26:21.000 How do I lead a crowd that's already left?

02:26:21.000 I was like, this is weird.

02:26:24.000 I was there.

02:26:25.000 And so all I'm saying is this is not the basis to indict populist Americans.

02:26:34.000 and say they're terrorists and and and if our the US government spent the equivalent of 10 trillion

02:26:40.000 dollars you know they spent a trillion in Afghanistan of real current numbers but the

02:26:44.000 estimates now are 10 trillion in current dollars in Vietnam and the Vietnamese wouldn't give up 1.00

02:26:49.000 so Swalwell says we'll use F-16s we'll just kill Americans and take your guns F-16s don't take

02:26:53.000 guns folks I don't want a civil war I don't want violence but the entire deep state couldn't defeat

02:26:59.000 the Vietnamese and now they want a war with the American people while they have one with Russia 0.98

02:27:06.000 And while they have one with China, this is madness. 0.97

02:27:09.000 It needs to stop.

02:27:10.000 I don't want a war with Democrats.

02:27:12.000 I don't want civil war.

02:27:13.000 I don't have some dream of this.

02:27:15.000 But this is the election strategy of Joe Biden is civil war.

02:27:22.000 Glenn, did you want to say something?

02:27:24.000 Yeah, I think this is really the nub of everything.

02:27:26.000 Like, I really do think that the three of them actually believe what they're saying.

02:27:31.000 I'm not, like, actually realizing this.

02:27:32.000 And the reason they believe it is because they don't know the history of the war on terror.

02:27:36.000 They don't know the history of the Cold War.

02:27:38.000 They don't know what the CIA and the FBI and the U.S.

02:27:40.000 security state have been constructed to do and the role that they played in our domestic politics. 0.64

02:27:45.000 Every single time that there's some new crisis, the CIA, the FBI, the permanent power faction in Washington, and it's not like some crazy conspiracy theory Dwight Eisenhower warned a bit on his way out of the presidency in 1961 when he called it the military-industrial complex because he had seen how it was growing beyond all democratic accountability.

02:28:04.000 Every time what they need to do is convince somebody to be scared of something, to be scared of communism, to be scared of terrorism, to be scared of domestic terrorism, and they convince people that some minor event, relatively speaking, in the history of the threats to our country, like the 9-11 attack, which is a terrible thing, but they exaggerated wildly the threat of foreign terrorism to basically institute the Patriot Act and warrantless eavesdropping and

02:28:28.000 all the things that turned our country more authoritarian.

02:28:31.000 They were announcing that before 9/11, they used 9/11 to do it.

02:28:34.000 They were announcing before January 6th that they wanted to

02:28:37.000 turn right wing extremists into domestic terrorists.

02:28:40.000 And they used January 6th and this extremely inflated narrative

02:28:44.000 about what it was.

02:28:45.000 It was a riot of out of control people, a few hundred of them,

02:28:49.000 that they turned into an insurrection, that they're now

02:28:52.000 weaponizing the justice system and they're creating oppression.

02:28:56.000 where they're now taking a non-violent protest.

02:29:00.000 Remember, most of the people charged in January 6th are charged with non-violent protests, and they've made it now so that they can charge those people with felonies, and put them in prison for years.

02:29:09.000 That was the Q Shaman, four years in prison for a non-violent protest. 0.99

02:29:13.000 That's the precedent that you're endorsing with this narrative.

02:29:16.000 So, so, so Jacob Chansley got four years, but he served, I think, a year and a half.

02:29:20.000 But I do want to go back.

02:29:21.000 So, Stuart Rose...

02:29:22.000 For non-violence.

02:29:23.000 Stuart Rose...

02:29:23.000 Stuart Rose.

02:29:25.000 For non-violent crimes.

02:29:27.000 Biggs, Steward Rose, and Enrique Tarrio.

02:29:31.000 They were sentenced to some of the harshest sentences out of all the January Sixers. 0.58

02:29:36.000 Who was the judge?

02:29:37.000 It was a Trump-appointed judge, Timothy Kelly.

02:29:40.000 Now, if you look at the worst convictions, the ones that received the largest sentences, 80% of them were actually under the sentencing guidelines.

02:29:55.000 These people didn't receive sentences that were any more harsh than anybody else in other crimes.

02:30:03.000 And these were people sentenced from a Trump judge, a Trump appointed judge.

02:30:09.000 So you're all saying that that all the courts are rigged against conservatives or or Trump supporters.

02:30:16.000 But these are Trump judges.

02:30:17.000 Many of these were Trump judges that actually charge these, not charge these people, but sentence these people.

02:30:25.000 I think that if we want to talk about knowing history and understanding history and contextualizing

02:30:29.000 history, I think if we want to run with that argument, then we need to do real journalist

02:30:32.000 work while we do it.

02:30:34.000 It's not enough to say the FBI or the CIA has done this 10, 20 years ago and then blindly

02:30:38.000 assert it every single time it happens to fit whatever political narrative you want

02:30:41.000 to tell.

02:30:42.000 If you want to tell a story, the person telling the story needs to find evidence to support

02:30:46.000 it.

02:30:47.000 Sure, if you want to say the FBI or the CIA or any other domestic agency has been involved

02:30:50.000 in spying on Americans and doing bad things, that's fine. 0.98

02:30:53.000 We all know that it's happened.

02:30:54.000 That doesn't mean that you don't have to find evidence in the future of it happening.

02:30:57.000 And so far, there was no evidence of it happening on January 6th.

02:31:00.000 As many times you want to throw around the follow politics before 2016 or whatever.

02:31:04.000 Well, we're in 2024 right now.

02:31:06.000 Find some information from today or find some information from January 6th to today.

02:31:09.000 It's not enough to just keep appealing to the past.

02:31:11.000 You pretend like that's going to do your homework for you and that somehow you can make all

02:31:14.000 of these accusations without having any real evidence.

02:31:16.000 As far as this claim of like there are novel uses of charges or people don't do charges

02:31:20.000 like this.

02:31:21.000 As I said over here, like most of the sentences have been within sentencing guidelines.

02:31:24.000 A lot of these have been done with a Trump appointed judge.

02:31:27.000 The idea that these charges are novel, that people don't face prosecution like this, there's some element of truth to that, but this is also a novel situation.

02:31:34.000 We have never had a president in the United States try to resist the peaceful transfer of power like this.

02:31:38.000 This has just never happened before.

02:31:40.000 And you can keep screaming about Hillary Clinton, you can keep screaming about BLM all you want and talk about the blown-up fire stations and the congressional halls, the reality is that none of those situations were like this one.

02:31:49.000 If you want to keep appealing to those and saying those people should have been charged with crimes, we agree they should have been charged with crimes.

02:31:53.000 even do the whataboutism, you have to already concede that you are wrong on all of the merits

02:31:57.000 about the current people you're talking about. Every single time we talk about Donald Trump,

02:32:01.000 you go, "Well, what about when Hillary Clinton or Biden did it?" Oh, okay, then you admit

02:32:03.000 that Trump did? Because if you want to admit that Trump is guilty of every single thing

02:32:07.000 that we've been accusing him of, which is what you're doing when you go, "What about

02:32:09.000 the other guy?" Because it seems like you're just trying to appeal to hypocrisy at that

02:32:12.000 point rather than the fact of the matter, then do that. Say, "Yeah, Trump did try to

02:32:15.000 cite an insurrection. Yeah, Trump did fail. Yeah, it was a riot. I don't know why you

02:32:18.000 keep saying it." 0.86

02:32:19.000 Well, let me ask you this.

02:32:20.000 Let me finish my one point one time without being interrupted by you.

02:32:23.000 I know you came running back because you heard me talking.

02:32:25.000 You had to interrupt me.

02:32:26.000 I know you came running back.

02:32:27.000 You were so excited for it, okay?

02:32:28.000 I don't understand this rhetoric of mostly peaceful riot.

02:32:31.000 Yeah, it was mostly peaceful.

02:32:33.000 A lot of riots that have riot aspects to them have a lot of peaceful people there.

02:32:36.000 In a 10,000-minute riot, it's not always 10,000 people rioting.

02:32:39.000 It might just be 100 people rioting or 1,000 people rioting.

02:32:41.000 The reality was, there was one event on January 6th at the Capitol Building.

02:32:45.000 That event was a riot.

02:32:47.000 Okay, so let me just add some context here.

02:32:49.000 Well, they had three trials in Michigan, and one of them, it was a mistrial, and they let most of them off, and the other, they finally got a few convicted.

02:32:56.000 It came out in court that the feds went and found a bunch of basically homeless potheads, and just like Glenn was saying, the New York Times article, but they were more accurate, 97% of Islamic plots were hatched by the FBI.

02:33:08.000 including the first World Trade Center bombing and they admit all that and I've

02:33:12.000 interviewed the people involved, Ahmad Salam, all of them that knew they were into the

02:33:14.000 bombing he came and said why have I cooked a real bomb and they let it go

02:33:17.000 forward. With Whitmer the same team involved in January 6 from the FBI went

02:33:22.000 and set these people up and that came out of the mainstream news.

02:33:26.000 So we know they, this isn't, you guys were saying, we don't want to go back to 10 years ago, you know, I've sat there for six, seven minutes, you know, out there smoking a cigarette while you're just going on and on and acting like you're being censored.

02:33:37.000 You're like, there's no example recently of them doing something corrupt or bad.

02:33:41.000 I never said that.

02:33:42.000 It's a great example, Alex.

02:33:43.000 I said find evidence for James.

02:33:44.000 I said find James.

02:33:45.000 Six years ago, he said you can use that to find James.

02:33:48.000 No, Destiny, this is a great point.

02:33:50.000 This is a great point that Alex is making.

02:33:51.000 You don't need to go back to the original war on terror.

02:33:56.000 You don't need to go back to the ample antecedents that exist going way back into our nation's history.

02:34:03.000 Just go back to the mission case.

02:34:05.000 The parallels to January 6th are striking.

02:34:09.000 Almost half of the so-called plotters turned out to be either informants or federal agents.

02:34:15.000 One of those federal agents had to recuse himself from the trial because he beat his wife on the way home from a swingers party.

02:34:23.000 The second one had to recuse himself because he was moonlighting in his private security firm and leaking details of investigations in which he was involved.

02:34:32.000 But in every single, it wasn't just that there were informants.

02:34:35.000 Every active step instrumental to this so-called plot was undertaken by one of the informants or one of the agents.

02:34:43.000 One of the informants, as I mentioned him, Steve Robson, in the context of does the government ever burn its own informants?

02:34:50.000 Almost all the time.

02:34:51.000 How many of the BLM riots were instigated by FBI?

02:34:54.000 How many of the BLM riots were instigated by our own intelligence agencies?

02:34:54.000 What?

02:34:58.000 Well, they had agents in there.

02:34:59.000 In fact, one of the guys, Sullivan, one of the guys, Jake Sullivan, he had a very complicated relationship.

02:35:06.000 Antifa basically excluded him because of his relationship with the government, and they thought he was a Fed.

02:35:12.000 Absolutely, the Feds infiltrate BLM.

02:35:15.000 He got excluded because of his relationship with the government.

02:35:17.000 He got excluded because that guy was insane.

02:35:19.000 Because he was screaming at people to do all sorts of violent stuff constantly.

02:35:22.000 Nobody wanted to be around him.

02:35:23.000 At some point, he was on video in the Capitol saying, I told you we were going to stage it.

02:35:28.000 I told you it was going to happen.

02:35:29.000 But again, for Sullivan, there's no evidence that Sullivan communicates anything like that.

02:35:31.000 You talk more than all of us.

02:35:33.000 You guys, these guys haven't talked to me yet.

02:35:35.000 Why is it that when BLM, BLM pro-rioters, I guess you could say, aren't arrested as

02:35:42.000 much as you want?

02:35:44.000 Like, you know, you say that January Sixers were arrested at a much higher rate than the rioters.

02:35:49.000 That's true.

02:35:50.000 How come you don't say that?

02:35:50.000 Okay.

02:35:52.000 And much more property damage as a result of BLM.

02:35:54.000 So here's the thing, though.

02:35:56.000 Why don't you accuse those who aren't prosecuted for those riots of being federal agents?

02:36:02.000 Well, in some cases, they probably are.

02:36:04.000 But at that scale, it's hard to... Maybe they just have more there.

02:36:07.000 How do you know?

02:36:08.000 If you want to go conspiracy theory, I mean, let's touch all the bases.

02:36:12.000 But, I mean, Michigan is on record... Can I interject?

02:36:15.000 Can I interject first?

02:36:17.000 The idea, again, that for the FBI to be infiltrating these groups is a conspiracy theory, again, requires an understanding of the FBI that's childlike.

02:36:27.000 And what Destiny was saying before is, oh, we're just using what they've done in the past and therefore concluding they must be doing that in the future.

02:36:33.000 He just ignored all the evidence we've been presenting for the last two hours, including the fact that the FBI, by their own admission, had informants in all three of the leading groups that organized January 6th and were talking to informants on the ground at the Capitol.

02:36:46.000 Who is the head of the FBI?

02:36:49.000 Who's the head of the FBI?

02:36:53.000 As far as January 6th defendants are concerned, it is true that they're getting sentences similar to what people get when they're charged with felonies.

02:37:02.000 The point is that it is insane that non-violent protesters are being charged with felonies in the United States.

02:37:08.000 That is what never happens.

02:37:10.000 And pointing to Black Lives Matter is not to say Oh yeah, that's whataboutism, so we're admitting that this was an insurrection, and that is true. 1.00

02:37:18.000 The point is that what the government is doing, if you look at the disparate treatment between the two, is picking and choosing which movement they like ideologically and politically, and which they don't, and punishing much more severely the one that they don't, which is what January 6th is about.

02:37:35.000 Going into the Capitol building with weapons saying, hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence.

02:37:40.000 No, that's not a violent crime, but are you saying that doesn't warrant a felony conviction?

02:37:44.000 That's absurd.

02:37:45.000 People are actually calling for the hanging of the Vice President of America.

02:37:49.000 I'm going to be honest.

02:37:50.000 I'm going to be honest.

02:37:52.000 No, no, Alex, hold on one second.

02:37:54.000 The majority of people who were charged with felonies in January 6th are non-violent offenders.

02:38:00.000 What did they do, Glenn?

02:38:01.000 What did they do?

02:38:03.000 They created an interpretation of the law that was enacted after Enron that was designed to criminalize accountants from obstructing fraud at the corporate level.

02:38:12.000 Every single- It's the meaning of it to mean that if it's a non-violent protest, any non-violent protest now at the Capitol- No, no, no.

02:38:12.000 What did they do?

02:38:19.000 You're glossing over the facts.

02:38:21.000 You're glossing over the facts, Clint.

02:38:23.000 People get six-month sentences- People get six-month sentences for going in the damn thing being waved at by police.

02:38:32.000 No, but here's the facts.

02:38:35.000 The people who got the felonies were either violent, they're taking part in a conspiracy, or they went into the House chamber.

02:38:42.000 Those are the people who got it.

02:38:43.000 The people who walked into the Capitol building- That's not true!

02:38:45.000 It is true!

02:38:46.000 No, it's not.

02:38:46.000 Look it up.

02:38:47.000 It absolutely is true.

02:38:48.000 Google it.

02:38:48.000 I just gave you a specific example earlier.

02:38:50.000 Conspiracy?

02:38:51.000 Give me an example.

02:38:51.000 Conspiracy?

02:38:52.000 What did he do?

02:38:53.000 Thomas Caldwell.

02:38:54.000 He was not violent, and he did not go into the Capitol.

02:38:54.000 What did he do?

02:38:57.000 Let's talk about Thomas Caldwell for a minute.

02:39:07.000 To Glenn's point, keep in mind that when you're saying that BLM wasn't treated the same because of the government, you're not just alleging the federal government at that point, you're alleging every single state government and city municipality that's in charge of arresting people are all on the same page.

02:39:22.000 Almost all of us in D.C.

02:39:23.000 Wait, the feds are in charge of prosecuting everybody in every state?

02:39:26.000 Thomas Caldwell was part of the seditious conspiracy.

02:39:30.000 He was part of the conspiracy by the Oath Keepers.

02:39:32.000 That's why he got charged with a felony.

02:39:35.000 When Black Lives Matter happened, every single blue state mayor and every single blue state governor waited on the side of the writers because they were petrified of being demonized as being racist if they didn't support everything the Black Lives Matter movement did.

02:39:49.000 So yes, the Black Lives Matter movement had corporations.

02:39:52.000 is sponsoring them.

02:39:53.000 They had Kamala Harris urging and raising money for people to get out

02:39:57.000 of prison who were in prison and prosecuted for having engaged in

02:40:00.000 violence as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. 0.57

02:40:03.000 The entire establishment was on the side of the Black Lives Matter 0.97

02:40:05.000 movement, the entire establishment hated the January 6th defendants.

02:40:09.000 That's the reality of our government that you don't

02:40:11.000 understand because- The reality of our government that you don't

02:40:14.000 understand, no, no, the reality of our government that you don't

02:40:18.000 understand is that police orders don't come down from the federal

02:40:21.000 government or even from the Policing is done at the municipal level.

02:40:24.000 The idea that governors are dictating... No, this is federal.

02:40:25.000 This is federal.

02:40:26.000 No, the BLM rights are not all federally prosecuted.

02:40:28.000 These are state crimes that are happening within states.

02:40:30.000 They're not happening within states.

02:40:32.000 The idea that the governors themselves...

02:40:35.000 Let me ask a question.

02:40:36.000 themselves are dictating the policing policies to all of these different departments?

02:40:40.000 Where is the evidence of any of that?

02:40:42.000 One message, one email, one memorandum, one thing saying "Joan of Grenfell protesters,

02:40:46.000 don't convict them." 0.86

02:40:47.000 Not a single shred of evidence.

02:40:49.000 How much do you love the police state?

02:40:50.000 Why are you suddenly loving it?

02:40:51.000 Just some stories that isn't that weird.

02:40:53.000 That's the most you guys have.

02:40:54.000 I was against the police state.

02:40:55.000 Why are we forgetting something?

02:40:59.000 We're forgetting one thing and that is that you can commit a crime, you can commit a felony and it doesn't have to be violent.

02:41:06.000 There's plenty of felonies on the books that aren't violent including breaking into a federal building Breaking through police lines and going into the Senate chamber as Congress people are trying to certify an election.

02:41:23.000 How is that going over your head, Glenn?

02:41:25.000 Let me ask you this.

02:41:26.000 I'm asking you this and everybody.

02:41:27.000 Please answer my question.

02:41:29.000 Is this as bad as Pearl Harbor?

02:41:31.000 Or is this as bad as 9-11?

02:41:33.000 And all I'm telling you is, is this This Biden announcement that currently the number one threat is the Trump supporters and Trump must be taken off the ballot.

02:41:46.000 You can punt to the Supreme Court, but they're literally trying to preclude Americans from voting for who they want.

02:41:51.000 That's the election theft and our face.

02:41:54.000 Why do we have to keep going back to that?

02:41:56.000 That's the third time that question was asked and unanswered.

02:41:58.000 Yeah, I mean, who cares?

02:41:59.000 They're taking somebody off the ballot.

02:42:01.000 I want to talk about Thomas Caldwell.

02:42:01.000 It's no big deal.

02:42:02.000 And Darren, maybe you can answer this.

02:42:03.000 Who is he?

02:42:04.000 What did he do exactly?

02:42:05.000 And what was he charged with?

02:42:06.000 Well, I don't need to get into that so extensively.

02:42:10.000 I was just saying, here is somebody who is not violent, who did not go into the Capitol, who was charged with Construction of an official proceedings.

02:42:18.000 No, it's a seditious conspiracy.

02:42:19.000 Well, there was later a superseding indictment.

02:42:21.000 That's a felony he was charged with.

02:42:23.000 Biden's entire campaign is January 6th.

02:42:26.000 Not inflation, not war with Russia, not open borders.

02:42:30.000 I mean, give me a break, man.

02:42:32.000 We had a million plus people there, a few hundred not in fights with the cops, and you act like it's the biggest thing since... It's a pretty big deal.

02:42:39.000 That's when a president tries to overturn a legitimate election.

02:42:42.000 That's a really big deal.

02:42:44.000 You had all your investigations and you lost every single one.

02:42:47.000 When you lose in court, you go to the next day.

02:42:53.000 Remember in 2016 when all the conservatives said, well you know what, if we would have lost the election, you know what we would have done the next day?

02:42:58.000 We would have went to work.

02:42:59.000 Well here you are four years later still crying about the outcome of the election.

02:43:02.000 So if Biden's going to win by landslide, why are the Democrats not on the ballot?

02:43:06.000 It's up to the Supreme Court to decide.

02:43:09.000 Can I just say what my dream is?

02:43:10.000 My dream is that Ed and Brian and Destiny have to actually live through a real coup so that they can then come back to the set and be like, oh my god, you know what?

02:43:19.000 I'm so sorry for saying that what happened in the Capitol for three hours against the most militarized and powerful government to ever exist in human history got anywhere near a coup or an insurrection.

02:43:29.000 A coup or an insurrection.

02:43:31.000 Let me say this and I'll shut up. 0.56

02:43:33.000 I will leave for 10 minutes.

02:43:34.000 Let me ask this one question to Glenn.

02:43:34.000 I will leave.

02:43:36.000 I want you all to answer this.

02:43:37.000 Humor me.

02:43:38.000 I agree.

02:43:39.000 Because Glenn is a really great writer.

02:43:41.000 I've followed him for decades.

02:43:41.000 I really respect him.

02:43:43.000 Can everyone describe a coup to me?

02:43:45.000 Because usually it's helicopters taking over media, killing the opposition, troops, and then you're claiming women with American flags and being waved in by police as a coup.

02:43:55.000 So define to me, all of you first, and then Glenn, and then the professor, what is a coup?

02:44:02.000 Since this was the most devastating evil coup ever.

02:44:04.000 Coup is trying to enact a scheme to try to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power.

02:44:09.000 Like Russiagate?

02:44:11.000 No, they didn't take any action.

02:44:12.000 They tried to remove him on a line.

02:44:15.000 There's nothing illegal done there to try and remove him.

02:44:17.000 The intelligence agencies censoring fake dossiers?

02:44:21.000 Oh, that was illegal?

02:44:22.000 The dossier was... Saying his election wasn't legitimate?

02:44:26.000 Did they try to remove him?

02:44:27.000 They took it to Congress.

02:44:28.000 Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

02:44:29.000 You admit then that Trump tried a coup and you think Russiagate was also a coup then?

02:44:32.000 Do you want to do that?

02:44:34.000 No, I don't, I don't agree with Trump and the coup.

02:44:36.000 I'm asking you, I'm asking you, like, do you know about Pinochet?

02:44:41.000 Do you know about Hitler?

02:44:43.000 Do you know about, do you know about the legitimate coup?

02:44:45.000 What is a coup?

02:44:46.000 Why don't you fight on the merits of the argument instead of doing the what about it, without

02:44:46.000 Hey, you're the smart guy.

02:44:50.000 even owning that Trump did something wrong?

02:44:53.000 Define me a coup.

02:44:54.000 I just did.

02:44:55.000 Did you not listen to me?

02:44:56.000 Glenn Greenwald.

02:44:59.000 Glenn, you're a well-respected journalist.

02:45:01.000 You look at coups around the world.

02:45:03.000 What do they usually look like?

02:45:06.000 I know, Destiny is now the incredible giant of journalism and the constitutional scholar I used to be, as Destiny said.

02:45:11.000 But anyway, a coup is generally when people in power or people who are trying to get into power marshal the force of the armed factions of that country and use it to eliminate the legal process and take over.

02:45:23.000 So for example, if Trump had called in the military on his side on January 6th, or he had gotten the military to block people from trying to remove him from office on January 20th, that is always what we say is a coup.

02:45:34.000 Nothing that looks like what happened on January 6th.

02:45:36.000 The other thing I just want to correct, Destiny seems to have this, like, debate me sort of thing point that he thinks he keeps making that's so smart, which is when you say... Why did he waste so much time on catty comments?

02:45:45.000 There must be something better for him to say.

02:45:47.000 You're the one that does throw in lines.

02:45:48.000 There must be something better for him to say.

02:45:50.000 We're about to change gears.

02:45:51.000 Let Glenn finish this thought, and then we're moving to our audience questions.

02:45:54.000 I've done this little debate tactic like eight times, I've listened to it for two hours.

02:45:58.000 So if you say this person did this and it's wrong, and then someone else says, what about

02:46:03.000 this person, this politician you love?

02:46:05.000 He did the same thing.

02:46:06.000 Destiny says, you're admitting that both of them did something wrong.

02:46:09.000 No, one of the reasons why you say things like the Black Lives Matter protest was never

02:46:15.000 considered an insurrection is not to say that January 6th was also an insurrection and therefore

02:46:19.000 you should treat the Black Lives Matter one like an insurrection. 0.98

02:46:22.000 The point is to say the Black Lives Matter wasn't treated like an insurrection because

02:46:26.000 people like Ed and Destiny and Brian love the Black Lives Matter movement because it's

02:46:31.000 unaligned with their ideology.

02:46:34.000 These are liberals who hate the Trump movement politically and therefore wanna criminalize

02:46:37.000 it.

02:46:38.000 But pointing to other examples- Against all rioting, just to be clear.

02:46:41.000 Isn't it admitting that the one that you start with is wrong?

02:46:45.000 You're just trying to show that you're not applying consistent principles when your ideology isn't.

02:46:50.000 If that was the case, then when you're accused of defending a coup, then you argue why it's not a coup.

02:46:55.000 That's how the argument works.

02:46:56.000 If somebody says, I think that Trump engaged in a coup... One of the ways that you show that it's not a coup is by saying that the things that you like that are done, that are far more insurrectionary, are things you won't call an insurrection because those No, Glenn, I'm sorry.

02:47:10.000 No, Glenn, that's called an appeal to hypocrisy.

02:47:12.000 The way that you argue against something being a coup... Why has Trump not been charged with it?

02:47:18.000 Why have they not charged Trump with insurrection?

02:47:21.000 You just say he... Jack Smith already said why.

02:47:23.000 Go read some of his documents if you haven't already.

02:47:24.000 It's like the main Secretary of State.

02:47:27.000 She says he's guilty.

02:47:28.000 If you don't think it's a coup, then we agree on what the definition of a coup is.

02:47:31.000 If we don't agree on the definition of a coup, which you said it requires military presence, I don't know if any of you have necessarily said...

02:47:36.000 Alright, well, it's not going to get resolved tonight, although we have tried to resolve it.

02:47:40.000 We're not shutting down, we're just moving to the next phase of the organization.

02:47:44.000 Actually, we'll go to comments.

02:47:45.000 I do want to shut it down, I want to move on.

02:47:46.000 finishes point is that the road actually were going to come and say i think it's not a lot

02:47:50.000 of shut down the side you want to shut down i want to move on okay i've

02:47:53.000 actually been instructed to move on so that's what we're doing i got my

02:47:57.000 hand By the producers of the show.

02:47:59.000 Let's move on.

02:48:00.000 ZeroHedge.com.

02:48:01.000 I mean, we can, if you guys want to go in circles and yell over each other for another ten minutes, I don't want to do it.

02:48:07.000 I want to go to these comments.

02:48:08.000 I bet there was a 6'3 marine, ex-marine that told you to do it.

02:48:12.000 No, but I mean, listen, listen.

02:48:12.000 Thanks, dude.

02:48:12.000 Shut up.

02:48:14.000 This is the heart of it.

02:48:16.000 Coups are militaries seizing the telecommunications and the government institutions and killing their opposition. 0.95

02:48:22.000 Trump was in New Orleans.

02:48:24.000 Trump did not do that.

02:48:26.000 That's a bunch of fucking people being led into the Capitol.

02:48:29.000 It's not a freaking coup, man.

02:48:30.000 An electronic coup, you know.

02:48:32.000 But let's go on.

02:48:33.000 These are from ZeroHedge.com from some of the premium users of the website have sent in some of the questions.

02:48:37.000 This one's actually a question for what they call the Blue Team, which right now is going to be the three guys, Ed, Brian, and Stephen.

02:48:43.000 The question is, The New York Times acknowledged that there were FBI informants in the Capitol on January 6th, and then they give a link to the New York Times article.

02:48:51.000 Given the agency's history of entrapment, is it a stretch that some agents may have provoked the riot?

02:48:57.000 And then there's a follow-up question.

02:48:59.000 Why was law enforcement so ill-prepared for the insurrection, in quotes, despite the presence of informants?

02:49:05.000 So the first question, first part of the question is, is it a stretch that some agents may have provoked the riot?

02:49:11.000 So informants are something the FBI has been using for years, decades.

02:49:16.000 Is it illegal?

02:49:16.000 No.

02:49:17.000 They can do it as long as they do it within the legal means.

02:49:21.000 If an informant is in the Capitol breaking the law, that doesn't mean that the FBI is behind it.

02:49:27.000 Informants are also people who live their lives.

02:49:30.000 Like, I could be an informant for the FBI, I could go and murder somebody.

02:49:33.000 That doesn't mean the FBI had me murder that person.

02:49:36.000 So I think there's a lot of misinformation there that gets conflated with facts.

02:49:42.000 And number two, Do I think it's possible that an FBI agent could have done that?

02:49:48.000 Sure, anything's possible, but put out the evidence.

02:49:51.000 There isn't evidence of this.

02:49:52.000 The whole Ray Epps thing, show us the evidence that he actually works for the FBI.

02:49:56.000 You're right, he just said I orchestrated it.

02:49:57.000 He just said I orchestrated it.

02:49:58.000 I brought the bag.

02:49:59.000 Come arrest me.

02:49:59.000 Should I get arrested?

02:50:00.000 I just said I brought the bag.

02:50:01.000 He just said I orchestrated it.

02:50:02.000 You're right.

02:50:02.000 He just said I orchestrated it.

02:50:03.000 Did Ray Epps say that he was an FBI agent?

02:50:03.000 You're right.

02:50:06.000 You guys are just coming to that conclusion.

02:50:08.000 We're not saying he works for them.

02:50:09.000 If I had to guess, I'd say Southern Probably Law Center.

02:50:09.000 Probably.

02:50:11.000 If Ray Epps set them up, why isn't a single other person there attested to that?

02:50:16.000 If he whispered into people's ears, if he was leading breach teams, why didn't any of the arrested people, why didn't a single person come out?

02:50:22.000 I'm asking why, I'm asking this though, the next reasonable question.

02:50:24.000 Why hasn't a single person come out to testify?

02:50:25.000 Because we exposed him.

02:50:27.000 Because he's the leader there.

02:50:29.000 And he's there doing it.

02:50:31.000 He did it on video.

02:50:32.000 He said, I led this.

02:50:33.000 I did this.

02:50:34.000 You're not answering my question.

02:50:35.000 I'm saying why hasn't anyone else come out?

02:50:37.000 I attested to this, not a single person.

02:50:39.000 You know what an orchestra is, right?

02:50:41.000 I went to school for music.

02:50:43.000 The conductor leads the symphony.

02:50:46.000 And all the musicians have to see the conductor and would tell you, that's my conductor.

02:50:48.000 And he says, go into the Capitol.

02:50:50.000 Why doesn't anybody else say, that was my conductor?

02:50:53.000 You know, the follow-up part of this question, why was law, I think law enforcement was so ill-prepared for the insurrection, again in quotes, despite the presence of informants.

02:51:01.000 This is from Space Worm, just so you know, Space Worm from Zero Edge.

02:51:04.000 Well, half of them were sent away for crowd control.

02:51:06.000 I think the ill-preparedness came because Trump's deployment of the National Guard in the past, especially in D.C., had caused a lot of people to be uncomfortable with National Guard being present in the Capitol when the certification of vote was happening.

02:51:17.000 So, as they were having conversations prior to establishing security, I think they took a lot of extraordinary bureaucratic measures to make it so that, I think that day, if the National Guard was going to be deployed, it either had to be, I think, Miller or Walker.

02:51:29.000 I think one of those two had to be the direct authorization.

02:51:31.000 Let me respond briefly.

02:51:35.000 We have you one hour ago saying Trump never called for National Guard, and you just said they refused it.

02:51:42.000 I got your ass! 1.00

02:51:44.000 That's correct.

02:51:45.000 You got me.

02:51:46.000 So when the National Guard was deployed, the only area that they were allowed to do... They blocked it.

02:51:50.000 The Pentagon blocked Trump.

02:51:52.000 You just admitted Trump wanted it and didn't get it.

02:51:56.000 You got me.

02:51:57.000 They only deployed 340 people.

02:51:58.000 That's right.

02:51:58.000 You got me.

02:51:59.000 The scope of the mission...

02:52:03.000 I'm murdering Ashley Babbit?

02:52:03.000 I'm a good shot?

02:52:04.000 Oh my god, I'm murdering... But you love me! 0.97

02:52:06.000 why Ashley Babbitt got shot. You realize that, right?

02:52:07.000 I'm a good shot?

02:52:08.000 No, people like Ashley Babbitt died because of people like you driving people onto this, right?

02:52:11.000 It might be funny for you. I don't know if it's funny for them.

02:52:13.000 I murdered Ashley Babbitt?

02:52:14.000 You're more or less responsible with this kind of talk. Yes.

02:52:16.000 Oh my God, I murdered...

02:52:18.000 Yes. Play in a factual world.

02:52:20.000 At least tie yourself to the ground.

02:52:24.000 You said an hour ago that Trump never asked for National Guard.

02:52:27.000 I can show 50 articles that's on record and then you just admitted it.

02:52:30.000 Gotcha. Gotcha.

02:52:32.000 Guys, guys.

02:52:33.000 Yeah!

02:52:33.000 Okay.

02:52:35.000 So here's the thing. - We're recording.

02:52:36.000 340 people were authorized to be there, but in order to actually call them, it was an extraordinary process.

02:52:42.000 When you read the J6 committee in the Situation Room and Sund and everybody else complaining, where's the National Guard, where's the National Guard?

02:52:47.000 There was a whole bunch of stupid bureaucratic red tape and optics concerns that people had to cut through to get them there.

02:52:51.000 So you're claiming that this is staged?

02:52:52.000 story and like the 15 to 20 people. One hour ago he said Trump number one national guard.

02:52:57.000 Now Trump wanted it but he didn't get it for a good reason.

02:53:00.000 Gold! Gold!

02:53:04.000 So you're claiming that this is staged. You're claiming the FBI was behind it. In 2019 you

02:53:11.000 specifically. Why is it Gova Tonkin?

02:53:13.000 You specifically said I almost had like a form of psychosis where I thought everything

02:53:19.000 was staged.

02:53:21.000 So do you still have that psychosis?

02:53:22.000 Well, I said almost a form.

02:53:25.000 So do you almost still have that form of psychosis?

02:53:27.000 Let me quote it for you.

02:53:29.000 That's out of a larger context about when you're lied to.

02:53:31.000 In a court deposition.

02:53:33.000 I said a larger context deposition.

02:53:35.000 About Sandy Hook.

02:53:36.000 Which is a larger... You said you called Sandy Hooks a hoax and you said it was fake because of this.

02:53:42.000 Sure, so you want me to talk now?

02:53:44.000 Okay, go ahead.

02:53:44.000 Yeah, so I said a larger context, which is a larger five hours, eight hour deposition, right?

02:53:50.000 I said a larger context.

02:53:50.000 I just told the truth.

02:53:52.000 I'm explaining that the public's been lied to so much, there's a major loss in confidence, where people then don't believe anything they're told, and that's dangerous.

02:54:00.000 That's not the context you said it.

02:54:00.000 That's not what you said.

02:54:02.000 That's not the context you said it.

02:54:04.000 But I read it.

02:54:04.000 I know what I said.

02:54:05.000 I read the deposition.

02:54:06.000 So put the full thing out.

02:54:07.000 I don't have it with me, but I read it.

02:54:09.000 The point is, stop.

02:54:09.000 Somebody Google it.

02:54:11.000 You're scared to let me talk?

02:54:12.000 No, go ahead.

02:54:13.000 So, that's a whole other PR firm thing, things out of context, to blow that stuff up.

02:54:19.000 PR firm is telling you what to say in court?

02:54:22.000 No, no, you're not listening.

02:54:23.000 Let Alex finish the short question and then we're going to go back to the user's question.

02:54:28.000 Madeline Albright told Leslie Stahl of 60 Minutes, I ordered 500,000 children killed because I thought it was a good thing to do, I'd do it again.

02:54:36.000 She's a great person.

02:54:37.000 I questioned Jussie Smollett, I questioned W.E.B.

02:54:40.000 Nixon in Iraq, I questioned everything, and I'm proud of everything I've done, and all that stuff is PR firm garbage.

02:54:46.000 When I talk about the general public, Because the media lies about almost everything, loses trust in anything, that creates a general form of psychosis, and it's very dangerous.

02:54:58.000 I talk about that every day on my show.

02:54:59.000 And Joe Rogan just last week said, you know, Alex Jones isn't totally right, but he means to be right.

02:55:07.000 Informative than CNN.

02:55:08.000 They lie on purpose.

02:55:10.000 And the public has lost trust in the system.

02:55:12.000 That's dangerous.

02:55:14.000 What do you do?

02:55:15.000 So that was the full discussion.

02:55:18.000 Let me give you another example.

02:55:19.000 They say in court.

02:55:21.000 Jones in a custody battle said, I'm an actor.

02:55:24.000 Everything I say is fake.

02:55:25.000 I've offered a $1 million reward for that.

02:55:27.000 I didn't say that.

02:55:28.000 They wanted to put like now a 15 year old video back then.

02:55:31.000 It was like a nine year old video of me as the joker saying all these horrible things, take drugs, kids, you'll die.

02:55:39.000 So kids wouldn't take drugs.

02:55:39.000 It's great.

02:55:41.000 Reverse psychology.

02:55:42.000 Hold on, hold on.

02:55:43.000 They wanted to introduce that in court, and my lawyer said, when Jack Nicholson plays the Joker, he's not really the Joker.

02:55:51.000 And when Alex Jones is in Waking Life, or Scanner Darkly, or any of this stuff, when he's being an actor, it's not what he really means.

02:56:00.000 In the scope of when I'm- Are you being an actor now?

02:56:03.000 No, no, see- How do we know?

02:56:05.000 How do you know?

02:56:05.000 How do we know?

02:56:06.000 Maybe you still have psychosis.

02:56:07.000 But see, that's the game you're playing.

02:56:09.000 No, I'm not playing a game.

02:56:09.000 I'm serious.

02:56:10.000 I am not.

02:56:11.000 This is a serious problem.

02:56:12.000 No, when I'm on this show, this is Alex Jones, the analyst.

02:56:16.000 Alex Jones, the pundit.

02:56:17.000 I'll get to you in a moment.

02:56:20.000 Yeah, Glenn's about to jump in.

02:56:22.000 This game, that I don't mean what I say, Ray Epps said I orchestrated it.

02:56:27.000 That's a real thing.

02:56:28.000 Yeah, we're all playing a sort of character right now.

02:56:30.000 We're all on a stage.

02:56:31.000 I was actually in that Twitter space with you, with Elon Musk.

02:56:34.000 What was it?

02:56:36.000 Four weeks ago or so?

02:56:37.000 And you tried to claim that you didn't push the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory.

02:56:43.000 We're getting a field here.

02:56:45.000 I'm basing this on the whole psychosis thing.

02:56:48.000 This is a field.

02:56:49.000 This is not in the scope of the discussion.

02:56:52.000 Yeah, we really gotta stick to the question.

02:56:54.000 It's on the user's question.

02:56:56.000 You lied in that space.

02:56:57.000 You did push it.

02:56:58.000 You did say that was fake.

02:57:00.000 You did.

02:57:01.000 I have the quote right here.

02:57:02.000 Let me read the quote.

02:57:04.000 Okay, Ed, we're done.

02:57:05.000 We're done.

02:57:06.000 I want to hear from Glenn.

02:57:07.000 Glenn's about to speak.

02:57:12.000 I said, in the context of everything I've done, I wasn't the platform for questioning a school shooting.

02:57:18.000 They dredged that up afterwards and I barely ever talked about it.

02:57:21.000 It wasn't even on our radar.

02:57:22.000 But you said it was fake.

02:57:24.000 No, no, if I'm on the air for- You said after examining it for a year, you found that it was fake.

02:57:29.000 Alright, you know what?

02:57:30.000 That's it, that's it, that's it!

02:57:32.000 That's it!

02:57:33.000 We're done with this fucking conversation!

02:57:35.000 We're moving on to the user questions.

02:57:36.000 As told, Glenn, you had something to say?

02:57:39.000 Glenn, please.

02:57:40.000 Yeah, first of all I want to say that we are out of time here because it's been three hours,

02:57:43.000 but I did just want to say I do think that attack on Alex is a bullshit attack.

02:57:47.000 We are here because we want to talk about January 6th.

02:57:49.000 We want to talk about whether this is an insurrection.

02:57:50.000 We're talking about something.

02:57:51.000 And to try and make it about Alex when there are six people here presenting all kinds of

02:57:57.000 evidence that you're not equipped to deal with, I think it's just a pathetic way to

02:58:02.000 And the last thing I want to say is, it's really giving like a kind of amazingly vivid mindset into the minds of Trump-era liberals who have really come to see The US security state and the courts and prosecutors as their political allies in their war that they're waging against people who disagree with them.

02:58:19.000 And they have this like very romanticized view of what the FBI is, what the DOJ is, how the court systems work, how the federal government works.

02:58:27.000 And all of this reveals this so well because what's happening here is so manifest, which is that all of these agencies are being abused because the Trump movement is considered the gravest threat to establishment power in this country, which is why the bipartisan establishment is against it.

02:58:42.000 To try and make this about Alex and Sandy Hook is a really pathetic way to end the debate.

02:58:46.000 I think you guys have done a good job defending your views.

02:58:49.000 I think you should leave it at that.

02:58:50.000 And we definitely have to go because it's been three hours.

02:58:53.000 Well, we're not done.

02:58:54.000 We're going to keep talking with some questions.

02:58:56.000 Not right now.

02:58:56.000 Can I answer the users' questions?

02:58:58.000 Yeah, I would love to, but give me one second.

02:59:00.000 The only reason I scream is because I don't have a mute button for the people right now.

02:59:04.000 I would prefer not to have to use my voice.

02:59:06.000 I think you did a great job being here.

02:59:08.000 Thank you.

02:59:08.000 I think Glenn needs to go.

02:59:10.000 Glenn, give us a three-minute closing comment.

02:59:10.000 We'll stay.

02:59:14.000 All I'm trying to say is I didn't launch any wars, I didn't lie about WMDs, and to bring that in is... 0.72

02:59:21.000 to it though. His point was just that if you were lying about that or if you had psychosis

02:59:29.000 about that, how do we know that that's not coming back?

02:59:32.000 About half the show we talked about... I did not say I had psychosis. Half of the show we

02:59:37.000 talked about feds and you...

02:59:38.000 No I talked to, if you look at the full clip of the transcript... We talked about things

02:59:41.000 from the state. I said there's a group, there's a larger lie when we're lied to and lose trust

02:59:47.000 Then out of that, when no one knows what's true, it creates a lot of problems.

02:59:51.000 So the reason I went back to that is because in that Twitter space...

02:59:55.000 You said that you didn't push it.

02:59:57.000 You said that you just regurgitated other people's information.

03:00:02.000 And that's not true.

03:00:03.000 No, that's not true.

03:00:04.000 I want to shut this down.

03:00:05.000 I don't want to move to the next thing.

03:00:06.000 It's not that I'm scared of this.

03:00:07.000 I'm sick of it.

03:00:08.000 I made my bones on this.

03:00:10.000 I barely ever talked about it.

03:00:12.000 They introduced 22 minutes in these court cases over a decade.

03:00:18.000 No, I didn't.

03:00:18.000 22 minutes, dude?

03:00:20.000 That's not what I'm doing.

03:00:21.000 You guys bring it up.

03:00:22.000 And fine.

03:00:24.000 Madeleine Albright said she killed 500,000 kids, she'd do it again. 0.60

03:00:26.000 I killed no kids.

03:00:27.000 Come on guys, this is cheap as fuck.

03:00:30.000 Let's talk about what the people are paying.

03:00:31.000 We have some legitimate people here.

03:00:34.000 I don't know, but Glenn says he wants to leave.

03:00:36.000 I love Glenn Greenwald.

03:00:37.000 Glenn's gone.

03:00:38.000 Glenn's gone.

03:00:39.000 We're hanging out with me tonight.

03:00:40.000 Okay, we're going to the second question.

03:00:42.000 Darren, did you want to follow up?

03:00:43.000 I wanted to answer the user's question about the lack of preparation.

03:00:47.000 Because it involves a lot more than the question of the National Guard.

03:00:51.000 For additional context, There's the Norfolk memo coming out of the Norfolk office of the FBI.

03:00:59.000 Extensively cataloging threats to the Capitol including maps of tunnels, all kinds of indications that there was going to be a major event at the Capitol on that day.

03:01:12.000 There was extensive government infiltration of every single militia group imputed to January 6th.

03:01:18.000 And there was a stand down?

03:01:20.000 Wait, wait, wait.

03:01:21.000 Up to the very, very highest levels.

03:01:24.000 We know that Enrique Tarrio had an extensive conversation with the head of Metro PD Intel.

03:01:33.000 And that's just one example.

03:01:34.000 We know the VP of the Oath Keepers was an FBI informant.

03:01:39.000 We know there are at least eight other informants in the Proud Boys, including informants who are texting their handlers simultaneously as they were in the Capitol and as the events unfolded.

03:01:51.000 We know of the Oath Keeper Jeremy Brown.

03:01:54.000 Who has been attacked and persecuted by the government.

03:01:56.000 Why?

03:01:57.000 Because when he was approached by JTTF agents in December of 2020 to recruit him as an informant, he recorded the exchange and the encounter and put it out there on the internet.

03:02:12.000 The JTTF agents said, there's something going to happen in January.

03:02:16.000 We want you to be an informant for us.

03:02:18.000 We know that there are several influencers, including Milo, Who parlored, or whatever the tweet version is for parlor, put out a message on January 5th saying, I was just approached by federal agents, whatever they have planned on the 6th is huge, don't go there.

03:02:36.000 That's just a number of examples.

03:02:39.000 Oh yeah, and there was Donnell Harvin, he was the head of the Homeland Security Office for the DC Fusion Center.

03:02:46.000 His predictions were remarkably specific and accurate.

03:02:50.000 His office came up with the idea that we need to have body bags.

03:02:56.000 We need to focus on the Capitol at 1 o'clock.

03:03:00.000 Specifically, we need to be concerned with explosives planted on side streets that could serve a diversionary effect.

03:03:08.000 Therefore, allowing for an attack on the Capitol.

03:03:11.000 These are just some of the highlights of examples of the government being in a position to know in advance what was going on.

03:03:19.000 And it wasn't just that there was an ordinary level of security at the Capitol, which is inconceivable when you think of the fact that there was a major proceeding there, that Trump was there giving his speech.

03:03:29.000 Ordinarily, there would be threat assessments, which there weren't.

03:03:33.000 It's not just that there was ordinary level of security.

03:03:36.000 There is a uniquely absent security on that day, uniquely poor security on a day with a major certification proceeding, on a day in which President Trump was there to give a major speech on a very controversial question directly pertinent to that proceeding.

03:03:53.000 So Darren, there's 1,250 people who were indicted thus far.

03:03:58.000 How many of them brought up as evidence in court that they were enticed or led into the building or led to do crimes by federal agents?

03:04:09.000 Well, there are actually quite a few.

03:04:11.000 How many of those?

03:04:12.000 I wouldn't count them, but it's not non-existent.

03:04:16.000 Was any of that evidence actually admitted in court?

03:04:19.000 In some cases, yes.

03:04:21.000 As you can imagine, the judicial process is very aggressive in pushing against any types of entrapment defenses.

03:04:30.000 And many defense lawyers, in some cases, reasonably so, want to dissuade their clients from entrapment type defenses because their goal is not to uncover the truth about entrapment.

03:04:41.000 Their goal is to do the best for their clients in those specific cases.

03:04:46.000 So out of 1,250 cases, not one of those defenses were actually pushed forward by any of those defendants?

03:04:54.000 No, I didn't say not one.

03:04:55.000 There are some, but not as many as you would think, but not because this isn't relevant to the truth, but because if you're a lawyer, even a good faith lawyer, you are Uh, required to give advice to your client that's not, oh, what's most likely to uncover the full truth about the broad event of January 6th, but what's most likely to keep my client out of jail or to minimize the time that my client ends in jail.

03:05:19.000 The truth is exculpatory.

03:05:21.000 Right.

03:05:22.000 I would think that evidence that a federal agent led you to commit a crime or acted in a way that made you want to commit a crime would be pretty, pretty exculpatory evidence right there.

03:05:35.000 Yeah, it would, in certain cases.

03:05:37.000 And, like I said, there are people who are pursuing that.

03:05:40.000 There's a significant backlash to that within the judicial system, so even given how much it's rigged now, it's additionally rigged when it comes to those specific types of defenses, because they're so subversive to the larger narrative that the government's trying to promote.

03:05:55.000 Why wouldn't McCarthy put any Republicans on the J6 committee then, and investigate this?

03:06:00.000 Well, McCarthy isn't exactly someone who's aggressively interested in pursuing the truth on this either.

03:06:05.000 Okay, why not appoint like a special counsel or appoint something separate then from Congress?

03:06:11.000 Well, I think that would be a fantastic idea, but again... Why didn't Trump do it?

03:06:14.000 Why didn't Trump do it?

03:06:15.000 Trump's not in a position to do it right now.

03:06:17.000 Yeah, but right after J6, before he gets kicked out, I want to point out... Well, I mean... Or why not in the days before, if he thinks that there's... I mean, there is not really a window of opportunity for that to happen.

03:06:26.000 A lot of other stuff is going on.

03:06:28.000 Doesn't it suck, then, that, like, you can provide absolutely no smoking guns?

03:06:32.000 I provided a ton of evidence.

03:06:34.000 No smoking guns.

03:06:35.000 I provided overwhelming evidence.

03:06:36.000 You've given a bunch of... You have not provided evidence for anything.

03:06:37.000 You've given a lot of stories and now you've got an escape for every single way that you

03:06:42.000 might actually discover what happened.

03:06:44.000 I've been a long proponent for an investigative committee, but not the sham J6 committee.

03:06:51.000 Well they tried, they tried to.

03:06:52.000 No, the J6 committee is total sham.

03:06:54.000 Why is the J6 committee a sham?

03:06:56.000 Well, you really want to hear a good faith answer to that?

03:06:58.000 Why it's partisan?

03:07:00.000 Well, let's start with Benny Thompson.

03:07:01.000 Now... No, no, I know the people on it were all partisan.

03:07:05.000 That's true.

03:07:07.000 But that's because McCarthy wouldn't put forth his nominees after Pelosi said no to two of five.

03:07:12.000 Well, first of all, I think those two should have been allowed.

03:07:15.000 I'm not asking you that.

03:07:16.000 I'm asking why didn't McCarthy put forth two other ones?

03:07:18.000 Because he didn't want to legitimize a process that was totally illegitimate.

03:07:23.000 So how convenient for you, then, that now we can also say the entire J6 committee... No, it's not convenient for me.

03:07:28.000 It's convenient for the regime.

03:07:32.000 No, it's convenient for you.

03:07:33.000 It's convenient for the regime not to have a legitimate and disinterested fact-finding commission to truly get to the bottom of the real questions that matter in relation to January 6th.

03:07:43.000 But there is no disinterested fact-finding.

03:07:45.000 You guys say Comey was biased, even though he was a lifelong Republican.

03:07:48.000 You say Raffensperger was biased, even though he was a lifelong Republican.

03:07:51.000 You guys say that Barr was biased, even though he's been a lifelong Trump supporter and a Republican.

03:07:56.000 Yeah, you say Ray is biased, like every single person.

03:07:58.000 Absolutely.

03:07:59.000 Yeah, so then there are no unbiased fact-finders.

03:08:01.000 I didn't say there are none, but the specific names you mentioned, absolutely.

03:08:05.000 How about William Barr?

03:08:05.000 He's biased.

03:08:06.000 How about... Yes.

03:08:07.000 So all these Trump appointees, Trump... Yes, he made terrible appointments.

03:08:10.000 The best person ever to hire people, right?

03:08:12.000 Well, I didn't say, that's not my contention here.

03:08:15.000 Who would be able to investigate this?

03:08:19.000 I think there are some people who could.

03:08:21.000 I think Jim Jordan who could.

03:08:22.000 Jim Jordan would be your example of an unbiased party.

03:08:25.000 Jim Jordan was literally part of the investigation.

03:08:28.000 I would say for there to be a legitimate committee, it would have to include people who are genuinely interested in pursuing not only the questions that Benny Thompson and the hyper-partisan Democrats wanted to find out, but people who are sympathetic to the other side who would be willing to pursue the questions that I've raised and have been raised That were not addressed at all in the committee, because all they were interested in was demonizing Trump and setting up a criminal proceeding for Trump.

03:08:57.000 They weren't interested in getting to the bottom of the questions.

03:08:59.000 Why was there uniquely poor security?

03:09:01.000 What was going on with the level of federal infiltration?

03:09:04.000 These questions are all asked as part of the 847 page report.

03:09:08.000 I invite you to read it at some point.

03:09:09.000 The reality is that McCarthy at any point could have put five Republicans that he chose on that committee.

03:09:15.000 But because Nancy Pelosi said no to two of them, I think banks in Jordan that were actively being investigated or would have been the subjects of the J6 committee, he said no to anything, and now we get to say it was all a sham?

03:09:26.000 Even though the majority of the people interviewed were Republicans?

03:09:28.000 Even though, as was stated earlier, every single person near Trump... You're banking a lot on the Republican issue, but it shouldn't be a surprise to you, many Republicans, institutional apparatus of the party, It's not necessarily friendly to Trump.

03:09:43.000 There are many Republicans that are hostile to Trump.

03:09:46.000 If every single person in government, if every Republican, if every Democrat, if every judge, if every person in the United States that is in Trump's peripheral ends up hating Trump or not wanting to work with Trump, at what point do you say... Well, we're not saying every... At what point do you say... Christopher Wray is not... At what point do you just say... I've been gone for 10 minutes, let me respond, I'm listening.

03:10:07.000 You can't just run back in here and cut me off, okay?

03:10:09.000 No, I'm listening.

03:10:09.000 At what point can we not say...

03:10:11.000 Maybe Trump was actually genuinely a horrible person.

03:10:13.000 Or maybe Trump actually genuinely didn't try to circumvent legal processes in order to coup the government.

03:10:18.000 Or at least, uh, whatever you would call him asking Pence to unilaterally elect the government beforehand.

03:10:21.000 Biden is trying to make it his number one campaign issue about January 6th.

03:10:25.000 It should be the number one campaign issue.

03:10:27.000 Wow, not inflation, not open borders, not human smuggling, not... Would a president try to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power for the first time in U.S.

03:10:33.000 history?

03:10:33.000 This actually takes me to the next question.

03:10:34.000 This is going to be our final question of the night.

03:10:36.000 No, Trump's not been convicted of anything.

03:10:37.000 This is a, uh, this is a question from... Not yet.

03:10:40.000 Spread C. And the question is, will Destiny address, quote, is white supremacy the biggest domestic threat faced by the United States?

03:10:46.000 And I open it up to the panel after you give an answer there, Stephen.

03:10:49.000 Um, domestic threat?

03:10:51.000 I don't know how the FBI judges domestic threat.

03:10:53.000 It wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of crossover with, like, white supremacy groups and them being, like, organized like a domestic threat, but my guess would be domestic threats in the U.S.

03:11:00.000 is probably fairly low to the total security of the U.S., so I don't really care that much about it.

03:11:03.000 I don't know.

03:11:03.000 But that's the official policy, is white supremacism is the number one threat.

03:11:06.000 That's, what is that?

03:11:07.000 That's not a policy, that's a statement.

03:11:09.000 No, that's an executive order in June of 2021 put out by the White House.

03:11:14.000 What are the negative policy choices, or what are the bad things that are happening because of that declaration?

03:11:18.000 They try to skew crime numbers.

03:11:21.000 They say everything is that.

03:11:22.000 I mean, this is like a major deal.

03:11:25.000 Skew crime numbers?

03:11:26.000 Say everything is that?

03:11:27.000 What do you mean?

03:11:28.000 Do we not count crime by black people anymore? 1.00

03:11:30.000 Didn't we just get all of the crime against Asian people? 1.00

03:11:32.000 No, the other guy says number one crime is white people.

03:11:34.000 They say the number one crime is white people. 0.54

03:11:36.000 They do it statistically by manipulating the numbers, yeah.

03:11:38.000 I don't think the FBI is in charge of manipulating the numbers.

03:11:41.000 The FBI is not involved in crime statistics?

03:11:42.000 I didn't say involved in crime statistics.

03:11:44.000 I'm pretty sure you can go to the federal... There's a name for the site that has like... I don't believe you're like hiding under a rock somewhere.

03:11:50.000 You've got to know he gave a speech for an hour yesterday.

03:11:53.000 Yeah, but you're saying the MAGA people are terrorists, they're about to take over.

03:11:56.000 I mean, you don't know?

03:11:57.000 You just said it's good that Biden is running on January 6th.

03:12:02.000 I think January 6th is a huge deal, yes.

03:12:04.000 The president trying to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power is a really big issue.

03:12:08.000 And that's why he can't be allowed to be voted for.

03:12:10.000 No, that's not why.

03:12:12.000 He's not allowed to be voted for because Section 348 of the 14th Amendment says that if you have been a prior vote taker and you have been engaged in rebellion and insurrection, you're not allowed to run for office again.

03:12:21.000 We have to be clear about what's really happening.

03:12:23.000 The standard Democrat voter, these people don't care about the so-called insurrection.

03:12:30.000 That's not Biden's audience.

03:12:32.000 Biden's audience is to speak in support of this phony legal theory that's being served as a pretext to remove him from the ballots.

03:12:42.000 And therefore, you know, in the defense of- I agree.

03:12:45.000 He's trying to rally the deep state saying Trump's going to persecute us and arrest us.

03:12:52.000 If we don't stop him, because they've committed all these crimes.

03:12:55.000 So, I mean, fact is, the Supreme Court's looking at it.

03:12:57.000 They actually decided to take the case, so it doesn't matter what any of us think.

03:13:01.000 The Supreme Court's going to rule on it, and I think, you know, whatever they decide is what we're going to live with.

03:13:06.000 Let me ask this, what happens if Trump gets re-elected?

03:13:08.000 What do you mean, what happens?

03:13:09.000 Well what do you think?

03:13:10.000 He's still got criminal investigations, criminal trials.

03:13:13.000 So you mean if he gets re-elected before being sentenced, if he's convicted?

03:13:17.000 Yeah.

03:13:18.000 I think he just takes over being president.

03:13:19.000 He'll pardon himself or give the presidency- And I don't- he didn't persecute his political opposition when he was in.

03:13:26.000 I don't think he's going to try to do that.

03:13:28.000 He asked Barr to investigate Hillary.

03:13:31.000 Quite the opposite.

03:13:32.000 Trump's own bureaucracies were undermining him.

03:13:37.000 As far from him using the bureaucracies to go after others, his own bureaucracies were circumventing his own president.

03:13:43.000 Well, that happened with Biden as well, wasn't it?

03:13:45.000 But everyone can see the establishment after Trump.

03:13:49.000 No?

03:13:49.000 Yeah, Hillary's emails.

03:13:50.000 Yeah, Hillary's emails was under Biden, right?

03:13:52.000 What about the Hunter Biden investigation?

03:13:53.000 There's no acknowledgement there?

03:13:55.000 Hunter Biden investigation, that's... Yeah.

03:13:57.000 That's Biden's DOJ.

03:13:58.000 Hunter Biden, he was charged, he was convicted on the... And that's because the Democrats want him to step down for Newsom.

03:14:03.000 Oh my God, there's a reason why, yeah.

03:14:06.000 So now the Democrats don't want Biden to step down.

03:14:09.000 Who are the Democrats?

03:14:11.000 The debate continues.

03:14:13.000 The dominant Democratic Party wants Biden to step down.

03:14:15.000 It's been all over the news.

03:14:17.000 And they're putting pressure on him to do it.

03:14:18.000 You're saying that's made up?

03:14:20.000 He's not going to step down.

03:14:21.000 How does he step down?

03:14:22.000 Because you still need to have a primary.

03:14:25.000 And it's past the deadline.

03:14:26.000 He's frozen out the other candidates in his primary.

03:14:28.000 The deadline has passed.

03:14:30.000 So if he was to step down right now, Harris would likely be who the nominee would be.

03:14:37.000 Well, it's too late for news.

03:14:38.000 I think he'd miss out on several states.

03:14:40.000 Go ahead.

03:14:40.000 We've, uh, we've, we've really run... Answered that question really well!

03:14:44.000 We hammered that one right to the ground.

03:14:46.000 Ladies and gentlemen, tonight is coming to a close.

03:14:48.000 Uh, Zero Hedge, thank you so much for putting this debate on.

03:14:51.000 And everybody on the panel, man, Darren Beattie, Alex Jones, Steve Bonnell, Brian Kress, Cedar Kress, Gene Greenwald.

03:14:58.000 Tell us about your show, what you do.

03:15:00.000 I'm the co-host of TimCast IRL on YouTube, Monday through Friday, 8 p.m.

03:15:03.000 Eastern Standard Time with Tim Pool.

03:15:05.000 It's a blast.

03:15:06.000 We talk about technology, politics, culture.

03:15:11.000 My website is revolver.news.

03:15:13.000 We broke a lot of these January 6th stories.

03:15:15.000 Take the challenge for yourself.

03:15:16.000 Go to revolver.news, look at the pieces, in particular the Ray Epps series and the Pipe Bomb series.

03:15:22.000 Decide for yourself whether or not there's overwhelming evidence for federal involvement.

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03:15:49.000 Tell me about your day, Steven.

03:15:51.000 What do you do?

03:15:52.000 Yeah, I'm on YouTube.

03:15:53.000 You know, you should check out the last few videos.

03:15:54.000 I do a lot of arguments over a lot of the goofy Ray Epps conspiracy theories or a lot of these J7 or J6 conspiracy theories.

03:16:02.000 I've been doing that.

03:16:03.000 YouTube.com slash Destiny.

03:16:04.000 Yeah, check me out.

03:16:06.000 I'm on X, Krasenstein. 0.93

03:16:09.000 I do a lot of posts, I guess you can't call them tweets anymore, about politics.

03:16:14.000 I try to hear out both sides.

03:16:16.000 Alex, I still read your post.

03:16:20.000 Might not agree with him.

03:16:22.000 But I try to hear out both sides.

03:16:24.000 Give me feedback.

03:16:26.000 I like countering points.

03:16:28.000 I like listening.

03:16:29.000 I want to congratulate everybody for being here.

03:16:30.000 This has been a great night.

03:16:32.000 Yeah.

03:16:32.000 Ed, are you on as well?

03:16:34.000 Yeah, pretty much everything Brian said.

03:16:37.000 It has been spectacular.

03:16:38.000 High energy, fast-paced, it's intense.

03:16:41.000 The first time I've ever moderated a debate with five people and then somebody coming in digital, which has its own... And if you want to see more of this...

03:16:49.000 The great folks at Zero Hedge, like you said with their subscription service, there would be more of this.

03:16:54.000 So this is the future.

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03:16:57.000 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for coming.

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Alex Jones Show - January 06, 2024

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