Alex Jones Show - 20240613_Tucker_Alex

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00:00:15.000 InfoWars.

00:00:16.000 Tomorrow's news today.

00:00:21.000 Waging war on corruption.

00:00:24.000 It's Alex Jones coming to you live from the front lines of the InfoWars.

00:00:34.000 Well, I've interviewed a lot of amazing people.

00:00:36.000 I've interviewed President Trump, you name it, and I never get butterflies.

00:00:40.000 But for this interview, I do.

00:00:42.000 I absolutely love Tucker Carlson.

00:00:44.000 He's changed the world.

00:00:46.000 He is the top political commentator in the world, hands down, and in his incredibly busy schedule.

00:00:52.000 He has decided to give us about an hour and a half interview here today.

00:00:56.000 And this is in the twilight of InfoWars.

00:00:58.000 We could be imminently shut down.

00:01:00.000 So I can't see us going out better than with Tucker Carlson also coming up today.

00:01:05.000 It's how the planets aligned.

00:01:06.000 Russell Brand is going to be on with us as well.

00:01:09.000 So this is going to be an incredible broadcast here today.

00:01:12.000 It will all be posted, obviously.

00:01:14.000 At Real Alex Jones on X, but Tucker Carlson does not need any introduction.

00:01:20.000 And I want to just talk to him first about the future of humanity, the future of America, World War III, the fact that the dinosaur media is officially dead and is trying to claw the rest of us with them, and how we turn not just American civilization, but the entire world civilization around from this globalist death cult that is In control of our lives today.

00:01:42.000 So Tucker, thank you so much for the time, my friend.

00:01:45.000 Of course, you've announced a big nationwide tour that I'm very proud to be a small part of.

00:01:49.000 Just so much going on.

00:01:50.000 Your network is exploding.

00:01:52.000 I know you don't ever talk about Fox getting rid of you, but man, it's got to feel vindication and good that I would say you reach about 10 times more people now than when you were on Fox.

00:02:03.000 So it's great to have you.

00:02:05.000 Well, thank you.

00:02:06.000 It actually felt good the first day.

00:02:08.000 I enjoy being fired, actually, because it forces you to stop doing what you're doing and take an assessment.

00:02:14.000 I'm honored to be here.

00:02:15.000 I'm here, obviously, because we're friends, but I'm really here On principle, because there's nothing you've ever said in your entire life or done in your entire life that's scarier or more threatening to our country than what they're doing to you right now.

00:02:30.000 So the government taking a broadcaster off the air who's committed no crime because he dares to criticize them is the scariest possible thing and it's the clearest possible sign of tyranny and I am heartbroken that this isn't getting more attention.

00:02:45.000 I think it's a pivot point.

00:02:47.000 In our country, and if they can do this to you, they will do it to the rest of us.

00:02:51.000 And what's so striking, though, is that if you had spent the last 20 years attacking, I don't know, the white working class, right? 0.58

00:03:00.000 Or the country, America, its founding documents, Thomas Jefferson, you know, you'd be lauded.

00:03:08.000 But you did the one thing you're not allowed to do, which is you attack the people in charge.

00:03:12.000 And that's why they're trying to take you off the air.

00:03:15.000 And I think we should be really clear about that.

00:03:19.000 You've never done anything but attack the people in charge.

00:03:24.000 That's your crime.

00:03:25.000 By the way, if you had started a war that killed a million people or tanked the U.S.

00:03:29.000 economy or, you know, sort of looted every American's bank account through the Federal Reserve, you would be getting a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

00:03:38.000 But you criticized the ruling oligarchy, and they're trying to crush you.

00:03:44.000 So I hope every person of principle, every decent person in this country,

00:03:49.000 whether they agree with what you say or not, whether they like you personally or not, it doesn't matter,

00:03:53.000 will say out loud, "No, you can't do this in my country, "the country that my ancestors built that I was born in.

00:03:58.000 "You can't take people off the air "because they criticize you because that's tyranny."

00:04:02.000 Well, I wanna just thank you because when I first got deplatformed five years ago,

00:04:07.000 almost no one who was prominent came to my aid and said, "Hey, they're gonna get everybody

00:04:12.000 "if we allow this to happen."

00:04:13.000 And they obviously misrepresented what I supposedly did.

00:04:15.000 It was all a big PR campaign.

00:04:16.000 They've now admitted to that.

00:04:17.000 They've admitted in Reuters last week that the goal was to take me off air.

00:04:20.000 They never wanted to settle with me.

00:04:21.000 It was basically a Democratic Party whipshot.

00:04:24.000 But shifting gears out of me, I mean, I totally agree with you.

00:04:28.000 This isn't about Alex Jones or Tucker Carlson or Donald Trump or Steve Bannon.

00:04:32.000 It's about, they have to get through us to get to the public, as Trump always says.

00:04:35.000 And it really is a canary in the coal mine that they're so hysterical and so desperate

00:04:40.000 and know that they've lost control of the narrative The lawfare, all the fake charges, all the criminality, and I want to speak to all of that, but you never really talk about yourself, and people find that fascinating.

00:04:49.000 People want to know about you.

00:04:50.000 So let's go back to what you first said.

00:04:52.000 You loved being fired.

00:04:53.000 I mean, when I said ten times bigger than you were, You were huge, but you're definitely 10 times conservatively bigger.

00:04:59.000 You're reaching 500, sometimes 700 million people with your shows.

00:05:03.000 Normal shows, 50 million.

00:05:05.000 I mean, that is massive.

00:05:06.000 Instinctively, when you got unceremoniously fired at Fox, they wouldn't even tell you why.

00:05:10.000 Very Kafkaesque.

00:05:13.000 Why was that so exciting to you?

00:05:14.000 And now, what is it like to be fully the captain of your ship?

00:05:19.000 Well, I mean, of course it's painful.

00:05:21.000 You know, it's always painful to, you know, have anything unexpected happen in your life because you think, you know, you can see the future, but it's really a blessing to be reminded that you can't.

00:05:31.000 And that things changed abruptly.

00:05:33.000 You don't have control, really, over most of your life.

00:05:36.000 And you certainly don't have control over history.

00:05:38.000 So, you're just sort of flotsam, bobbing along, trying to make the right decisions moment to moment.

00:05:43.000 The reason that I liked being fired, within like 20 minutes I was in a good mood, because I recognized the pattern.

00:05:50.000 It's always the bad things that turn out to be the greatest things in your life.

00:05:53.000 You know, it's getting really sick and surviving.

00:05:57.000 You know, it's something you didn't expect at all that hurts, that forces you to take an assessment of what you're doing and change.

00:06:06.000 And you won't change unless that happens.

00:06:09.000 I mean there's really nothing worse for people, particularly for men, than just succeeding.

00:06:14.000 Because it ratifies all of your decisions.

00:06:16.000 It makes you, you know, after a while, you just like confuse yourself for Jesus.

00:06:19.000 You just think, well, I'm successful because I'm just so great.

00:06:21.000 You know, I earned this.

00:06:21.000 I'm like, I'm an amazing person, unlike everybody else.

00:06:25.000 And I think it's absolutely vital for your soul, but also for your clear judgment to remember no. 0.84

00:06:30.000 I'm this sort of ungainly, ridiculous primate who lucked into some things, made some good decisions, a lot of bad decisions. 0.91

00:06:36.000 Like, see yourself in context. 0.99

00:06:37.000 See yourself as you really are. 0.99

00:06:39.000 You know, you're absurd. 0.99

00:06:40.000 We're all absurd. 0.98

00:06:42.000 And so getting fired just reminds you, like, oh, I'm so important!

00:06:47.000 You know, I get all these people texting me, like, I can't believe they fired you.

00:06:50.000 They needed you.

00:06:50.000 Well, it turned out they didn't, actually.

00:06:54.000 It's good to be reminded of that.

00:06:56.000 You think you're such a big deal?

00:06:58.000 Will anyone remember your name in 50 years?

00:07:00.000 In 10 years?

00:07:01.000 Will anyone visit your grave?

00:07:02.000 I know the answer.

00:07:03.000 No!

00:07:04.000 So, I'm not saying that to pose as a self-deprecating person.

00:07:08.000 I'm saying that because it's factually true and it's good to operate on the basis of what's true rather than on what you wish were true.

00:07:15.000 Well, I mean, as I've grown up, I'm 50 now.

00:07:19.000 I was never ego-driven completely, but I was more ego-driven as I was younger.

00:07:22.000 It's such a strength and way more satisfying to have the ego basically drop away to almost nothing and to really have it be a sense of community.

00:07:31.000 And that's your power that comes off so genuine, and it's even stronger in person, folks, is that you really are a genuine person who's humble.

00:07:39.000 And so we're not lauding ourselves.

00:07:41.000 It's just a great attribute.

00:07:42.000 If you look at the globalists in DC, which I know you know well, they are the complete opposite.

00:07:47.000 They are on delusional, crazy power trips.

00:07:50.000 And to me, there's nothing more dangerous than that with people that are megalomaniacs and think they're invincible who also have nuclear weapons.

00:07:58.000 Exactly.

00:07:59.000 There's nothing... Really, that's the way that people destroy themselves.

00:08:04.000 I mean, humans are distinct from the animal kingdom in one meaningful way.

00:08:08.000 They kill themselves.

00:08:09.000 Animals don't.

00:08:10.000 You know, no dog has ever decided to kill himself.

00:08:13.000 It just never occurs to a dog, or to a porcupine, or to any other animal.

00:08:17.000 Only to people.

00:08:18.000 And they always kill themselves in the same way, by imagining they have powers.

00:08:21.000 They don't, mistaking themselves for God.

00:08:23.000 And, I mean, this is just the most consistent theme in all history.

00:08:26.000 And again, men are prey to it in a way that women generally aren't. 0.99

00:08:29.000 Obviously, Tori and Newlin would be a huge exception.

00:08:31.000 Hillary Clinton.

00:08:31.000 I mean, there are exceptions.

00:08:33.000 The male temperament is particularly susceptible to the delusion that, you know, I'm Jesus.

00:08:38.000 And those people are the most dangerous, and you're right, when they have the power to destroy the world, which they do, you know, they're terrifying.

00:08:47.000 And we are, by the way, just since you brought it up, we are on the cusp of nuclear war with Russia right now.

00:08:51.000 We are actually on the cusp.

00:08:53.000 We are closer to nuclear war right now than any time in history.

00:08:56.000 Far closer than the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:08:59.000 And the reason is really simple.

00:09:00.000 We're targeting Mainland Russia, we are attacking Russia, the nation we're at in a hot war with Russia. 0.97

00:09:08.000 So from Putin's perspective, which is basically unknown in the United States, and they're completely committed to preventing you from knowing what Putin thinks or says.

00:09:18.000 But if you pay any attention, all you know that Putin He is dictatorial, of course.

00:09:23.000 He is not an absolute monarch.

00:09:25.000 He is not Kim Jong-un.

00:09:27.000 Putin cares a lot about his approval rating in Russia.

00:09:30.000 A lot.

00:09:31.000 That's why he controls the media in Russia.

00:09:33.000 And Putin has, for two and a half years, done everything he can to minimize news within Russia of attacks within Russia.

00:09:40.000 There have been a bunch of assassinations, for example, in Moscow, carried out by the Ukrainian intel services.

00:09:46.000 That's a fact, okay?

00:09:48.000 Dugan's daughter was murdered with a car bomb in Moscow.

00:09:51.000 There have been others.

00:09:52.000 And Russian media has ignored those attacks.

00:09:55.000 Putin does not want to seem weak in front of his country, in front of the Russian people, period.

00:10:01.000 And so my point is, Russian media, if you watch it, has been downplaying NATO attacks on Russia.

00:10:08.000 If there is a NATO attack within Russia that he cannot keep from his people, it becomes obvious that he can't protect mainland Russia from NATO.

00:10:16.000 He'll launch a tactical nuke into Ukraine. 0.85

00:10:19.000 A nuclear weapon into Ukraine for the first time in 79 years. 0.71

00:10:22.000 We are very, very, very close to that.

00:10:25.000 And if that happens, of course, it'll set off a chain reaction and we'll have a nuclear war in which you and I and our children will die.

00:10:31.000 And so we're right there, right now.

00:10:34.000 And that's not reported anywhere in the US media.

00:10:37.000 Our leaders either know it and don't care because they're on a suicide trip.

00:10:41.000 I agree with you, I think.

00:10:42.000 But the average person is not bent on suicide, doesn't want to die, doesn't want his kids to be incinerated, doesn't want to live in a post-nuclear wasteland.

00:10:49.000 And the average person has no idea that that's happening right now.

00:10:53.000 And I just think it's the most astounding thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:10:58.000 And if you add to that, Biden not knowing what planet he's on.

00:11:01.000 And for people that don't know, you've studied this.

00:11:03.000 Your guests have studied this.

00:11:05.000 Mainline analysts agree we're the closest nuclear world we've ever been.

00:11:10.000 We have an establishment that has this normalcy bias that they're invincible or that Russia will back down.

00:11:15.000 You're absolutely right.

00:11:16.000 Putin, for those that don't study the situation, is a moderate and is restraining the hardliners.

00:11:22.000 And the vast majority of Russians, over 80%, want full-out war. 0.59

00:11:25.000 And people that don't know, Hitler went to be defeated in Russia, Napoleon, the Russians were the frontier with the East and stopped all these Mongol and then Islamic invasions.

00:11:34.000 And so the Russians are very serious when it comes to being attacked and they will attack. 0.98

00:11:39.000 And so this is not like some, you know, Iraq where we've cut off the resources and are, you know, murdering them with starvation and they can't fight back.

00:11:48.000 This is the largest nuclear power and this is beyond playing with fire or poking a bear.

00:11:52.000 I was texting you a few weeks ago and I said, yeah, it's World War III and you said...

00:11:57.000 It's the final war, and I think that term, I hadn't heard that before, it's right. 1.00

00:12:01.000 We had World War I that was the war to end all wars, we learned it wasn't, but this would be the final war as your very famous quantum mechanics expert once said, I don't know how World War III will be fought, but I know that World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

00:12:19.000 That's right.

00:12:21.000 I think that's absolutely right.

00:12:22.000 And the funny thing is that you and I grew up in a country where that was a commonplace observation, like all through school.

00:12:27.000 You know, our entire lives up until about 25 years ago when The United States became the unipolar power.

00:12:34.000 We were told, and it was true, that nuclear war was the end of humanity, and it was the thing to fear most.

00:12:41.000 And all of a sudden, it became this thing that the entire foreign policy establishment in Washington, CSIS, and everyone in the National Security Council, and just sort of the permanent Foreign policy thinkers in D.C.

00:12:55.000 wave away as, you know, not possible, whatever, you're being hysterical, even as they tell us that Vladimir Putin is dying of Parkinson's disease, is deranged, is a crazed megalomaniac on a death trip.

00:13:09.000 You know, we can't he cannot be trusted. 1.00

00:13:11.000 You cannot have a negotiation with him because he's that crazy. 0.97

00:13:14.000 They're saying that this guy, who's by their own description that crazy, will not launch any of his 6,000 nuclear warheads against the West. 0.58

00:13:22.000 I mean, it's the villain in this story, whatever you think of Putin, and I'm hardly defending Putin, but the villain here is NATO and the National Security Council in Washington, because they are pushing Our country and the West to annihilation and that that's a fact that's not I'm not being you know hysterical or trying to you know up play it or sell it you know as a threat that we shall be worried about this isn't an imminent danger to human existence and we're at the most fraught moment in all of human history right now.

00:13:59.000 It's shocking to me that the Today Show and Good Morning America and the New York Times and the Washington Post don't begin every story no matter what the topic with, you know, by the way, we're on the cusp of nuclear war.

00:14:15.000 Because there's nothing more important than that.

00:14:18.000 But they don't.

00:14:19.000 They hide it.

00:14:19.000 And by the way, you say one more thing.

00:14:21.000 You're very gracious when I've been on your show and just let me go on for 20 minutes of time.

00:14:25.000 We want the deep Tucker Carlson.

00:14:26.000 People love the Joe Rogan.

00:14:28.000 One of the most viewed interviews ever.

00:14:30.000 I've seen 100 million views, folks.

00:14:31.000 I've watched it twice.

00:14:32.000 My wife watched it twice.

00:14:33.000 My full family.

00:14:34.000 Everybody I know has been talking about it.

00:14:36.000 And Joe's great.

00:14:37.000 He's better than I am at interrupting.

00:14:38.000 But I want to be even better than Joe.

00:14:39.000 I want to give you time to keep elaborating on this because you've really done a lot of research into this.

00:14:43.000 And I want to get back into the suicide death cult.

00:14:47.000 Nature of the globalist, and why they're so nihilistic, why they're doing this, and how they see a nuclear war as some survivable thing for them, that'll get rid of the population, and they'll re-emerge, and the Wall Street Journal, even with headlines, looking forward to the end of humanity, and just hundreds of headlines about humans are a parasite, let's get rid of them, and then the horrible sick things they do, like this is really, at the end of the day, a spiritual battle, and you've talked some about that in your guest tab, and I want you to really go deep on this today.

00:15:16.000 Well, I mean, I think the framework that most of us internalized growing up in this country was evolutionary biology.

00:15:21.000 The idea that human behavior is the product of millions of years of adaptation to the environment, and we like things, we don't like things, because our ancestors had a need to like or dislike those things.

00:15:31.000 And it makes sense, and I think to some extent it's true.

00:15:34.000 But the bottom line imperative in evolutionary biology is survival.

00:15:40.000 You know, the whole point of existence is to pass on your genes to another generation and, you know, continue the line of humanity.

00:15:47.000 So, and I think that's right, actually.

00:15:49.000 I think that is our instinct.

00:15:50.000 So whenever you see people who are pushing for the end of humanity, pushing for suicide, you know that the controlling power is, by definition, not human.

00:16:03.000 That's my, I'm trying to approach this logically here, like, what are we watching?

00:16:07.000 And I don't think that we're watching the product of human greed here, for example.

00:16:13.000 And a lot of people, and I've been one of them many, many times, say, well, you know, the real story here, you know, the real reason this is happening is because Larry Fink is going to buy all the farmland in Ukraine and he's going to make a ton of money for BlackRock.

00:16:24.000 Or the reason, you know, We have so many transvestite children is because the, you know, hormone makers are making a bundle on this, or the reason they're pushing the COVID vax is because Moderna and Pfizer are getting rich. 0.79

00:16:37.000 I mean, on one level, that is all true, of course, but it's not what's driving it.

00:16:43.000 No one is going to survive a nuclear exchange.

00:16:45.000 The people who are pushing us, no one on the National Security Council is going to have a better life if there's a nuclear war.

00:16:52.000 Everything that they know and love will be gone, including their own children.

00:16:56.000 So this is not actually something they're doing for their own benefit, whether they know it or not.

00:17:00.000 They're being driven to do it by spiritual forces.

00:17:03.000 I mean, I don't, I mean, if there's another explanation, by the way, I'm completely comfortable having grown up a secular person in a secular country with a secular explanation for what we're watching.

00:17:12.000 If you could think of one, tell me what it is, but I can't.

00:17:14.000 I don't see any rational reason.

00:17:16.000 I don't see any actual self-interest that could be motivating the desire to commit mass suicide.

00:17:22.000 I just don't. 0.97

00:17:23.000 And I would, by the way, say that the transgender, the tranny stuff, is a form of mass suicide. 1.00

00:17:29.000 You're preventing your children from having children, therefore you go extinct. 0.99

00:17:33.000 I mean, right?

00:17:34.000 At scale, that's what we're watching. 0.99

00:17:35.000 Having our sons cut their genitals off and little girls cut their breasts off, it's like something out of a Clive Barker novel. 0.99

00:17:41.000 It's like Hellraiser. 0.99

00:17:42.000 So let's bring in all the politics.

00:17:44.000 Can I just say, it's not just hurting your children, it's hurting you.

00:17:48.000 Because the deepest desire of every parent is to have grandchildren.

00:17:52.000 Not just for sentimental reasons, but for biological reasons.

00:17:54.000 To see your line continue.

00:17:56.000 That is the most natural of all instincts.

00:17:58.000 So when you see somebody, Act against that, then you know this is probably not a human impulse.

00:18:07.000 Right?

00:18:07.000 This is unnatural.

00:18:08.000 This is, in fact, I would say, supernatural.

00:18:12.000 And that's exactly, in my view, what it is.

00:18:14.000 Unless you can think of some better secular explanation that we can, you know, measure in the lab.

00:18:21.000 But I can't.

00:18:22.000 and I've thought about it a lot what did he just say He said there's a storm coming in.

00:18:37.000 I know.

00:18:39.000 We told you what was going to happen and it did.

00:18:43.000 Now we're telling you what's coming.

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00:20:28.000 I've heard you talk about this some, but can you elaborate on, growing up Episcopalian, you were never Satanist, you kind of believed in God from what I've heard, but weren't sure

00:20:39.000 about it and liked the idea of Christianity, but then you've told me some of your private stories and told me some of mine, we're not going to get into those here, but the process

00:20:46.000 of you in the last four or five years, really communicating what everybody else is feeling Either you're totally in the Matrix and don't see any of it, and do whatever you're told, and you will lick the bugs and, you know, love all this evil, and that's a smaller and smaller group.

00:20:59.000 Or there's the majority of us, really, that don't have all the answers but are trying to figure this out.

00:21:04.000 What was that process like for you coming to this realization that it's good versus evil and that there are forces other than human?

00:21:12.000 Well, I mean, it's a process still.

00:21:14.000 And by the way, one of the reasons I'm uncomfortable talking about it is because I hate to sort of hold myself up as an advertisement for the world's largest faith or pretend to be a spokesman for God.

00:21:26.000 I think you bring disaster upon yourself when you do that, I've noticed.

00:21:29.000 I mean, there's a reason that preachers are disproportionately likely to get caught up in sex scandals or get addicted to porn or smoke meth.

00:21:37.000 They're under attack.

00:21:38.000 The second you say, I represent a billion Christians, You were under attack and so I I certainly don't represent a billion Christians or Christianity or Jesus or anything like that I'm as flawed as anybody you'll ever meet more than most and so I just want to say that with sincerity at the outset but to answer your question you know I always believed that the sum total of

00:21:59.000 Everything was probably a little bit bigger than what we could measure.

00:22:02.000 You know, that our senses don't tell the whole story.

00:22:03.000 And I've always believed in the possibility of a god of supernatural forces because it seemed obvious to me.

00:22:11.000 And it's obvious from your own experience in life.

00:22:13.000 You somehow know things intuitively.

00:22:15.000 Well, how could you know that?

00:22:16.000 You know, it's encoded in our genes.

00:22:18.000 Really tell me how that works exactly.

00:22:19.000 You can't.

00:22:20.000 Nobody can.

00:22:21.000 So clearly there's a lot more going on than science, as understood in 2024, can explain to us, obviously.

00:22:29.000 And I've always assumed that that was real because it clearly is real.

00:22:32.000 But I didn't have much of a coherent theology other than, you know, I'm a Christian.

00:22:36.000 I went to sort of a church that didn't mean it.

00:22:40.000 I didn't quite realize how much they didn't mean it.

00:22:42.000 But I'd grown up in this church and gone to its schools.

00:22:44.000 And I was really steeped in the culture of the church.

00:22:48.000 And my family was involved in the church going back, you know, a couple hundred years.

00:22:51.000 So it was like it was very much part of our family.

00:22:53.000 And, um, but I didn't think about it very much.

00:22:56.000 And really it was watching what's happening to the world that changed my view.

00:23:00.000 I became convinced that some of these, I had watched political debates my entire life.

00:23:05.000 That's what I do for 30, more than 30 years.

00:23:09.000 And while I disagreed with one side, I could understand their argument.

00:23:13.000 You know, they would say, well, we need to have, I mean, I've always been totally opposed to abortion or killing the defenseless.

00:23:19.000 Really killing anybody, honestly, except in self-defense.

00:23:22.000 But, um, but I could understand, you know, well, there's a 15-year-old girl who, you know, was pregnant. 0.82

00:23:27.000 She got raped. 0.90

00:23:28.000 And if you don't let her have an abortion, she'll never have a real life. 1.00

00:23:31.000 And, you know, I disagreed with that because I think you can't kill people regardless of the justification.

00:23:37.000 However, I thought that was a real argument.

00:23:39.000 I mean, at least it appealed to the possibility her life would be improved.

00:23:43.000 You wake up and all of a sudden people are saying, well, abortion is itself the point.

00:23:48.000 Like having an abortion is just good for the sake of doing it. 0.95

00:23:52.000 That's right.

00:23:52.000 The women say, we love it.

00:23:53.000 They say, we love it.

00:23:54.000 It's a religion.

00:23:55.000 They're getting off on it.

00:23:57.000 Well, it's human sacrifice.

00:23:59.000 And so, obviously.

00:24:01.000 So I was trying, because I'm a little bit autistic and very literal, I'm thinking, well, okay, what does that even mean?

00:24:07.000 Like, what?

00:24:08.000 You were trying to find logic.

00:24:09.000 This is very different.

00:24:10.000 I was!

00:24:11.000 And I'm a student of argument, because I make arguments for a living.

00:24:14.000 I spent years, you know, sending my kids to school and filling the fridge with arguing.

00:24:19.000 That's what I did for a living.

00:24:21.000 So I really I'm interested in how people construct arguments and in their nature and all of a sudden people stop making arguments on behalf of abortion and begin holding it up as just like something that was just good for its own sake and and stop they didn't even attempt to convince you that you weren't taking a human life the presumption is that you are of course and with technology we know that you are

00:24:40.000 There's no counter-argument to that.

00:24:42.000 And so they're basically saying killing people is a good thing.

00:24:45.000 And I thought, well, that's just a kind of remarkable thing to say.

00:24:49.000 And then I found out, because I was interested, that that is what every society has said in recorded history.

00:24:55.000 Every society, from the ones that, you know, are very famous, the ancient Canaanites, the Mayans, the Aztecs, all the Mesoamerican civilizations, but also the Western European civilizations, my own, where my ancestors lived, you know, in the Nordic countries.

00:25:07.000 They were also committing human sacrifice.

00:25:10.000 There's something about killing other people ritually as an offering to the spirit world that is a constant through human history.

00:25:20.000 Every civilization has done that.

00:25:22.000 And so that raises the question, why?

00:25:25.000 How would, like, that's such a counterintuitive conclusion to come to.

00:25:28.000 I kill people like so evolutionary biology tells us that the whole point of existence is to continue existence is to pass on your genes to another generation and then many more right that that's the assumption that I have my whole life and yet every civilization from the beginning of time has reached the opposite conclusion we will be happier by killing the fruit of our womb children And we will be rewarded by the gods for doing this.

00:25:54.000 Every single civilization has reached that conclusion without any exception that I'm aware of. 0.93

00:25:57.000 And you have to ask, why is that?

00:25:59.000 They didn't have the internet 5,000 years ago.

00:26:01.000 How are they all reaching the same conclusion?

00:26:04.000 And really the only logical answer is because some outside force was telling them that.

00:26:08.000 Right?

00:26:08.000 That the spirit world is real.

00:26:10.000 And that there are demons telling people that you will be happier, that you will be safer, that you will be richer, You'll be more powerful if you take the life of a child.

00:26:23.000 Or of a maiden, or of some helpless human being. 1.00

00:26:27.000 Uh, mostly young human beings.

00:26:28.000 It's never the elderly who are the... And they like it because it's stealing the future and a child is the closest thing to God because of the potential of the universe, so it is a wound against God. 1.00

00:26:36.000 It is stabbing God.

00:26:37.000 Exactly!

00:26:39.000 Exactly!

00:26:39.000 But, so from, but, look, civilizations convince themselves of all kinds of crazy things, right?

00:26:46.000 But when every civilization convinces itself of the same crazy thing, That is not an obvious conclusion.

00:26:54.000 Like, if I'm, you know, a Hivero Indian living in the Amazon headwaters, and just getting enough calories every year is really a struggle, right?

00:27:02.000 And I need labor, because there aren't many Hivero Indians, but I've somehow reached a conclusion that killing my own child would, you know, make my life better. 1.00

00:27:12.000 Like, how am I reaching that conclusion? 0.85

00:27:13.000 Like, I'm not reaching that rationally.

00:27:15.000 Something or somebody is telling me that.

00:27:17.000 And you made a key point.

00:27:18.000 You made a key point.

00:27:21.000 That these are civilizations that we're not communicating and they're doing the exact same thing.

00:27:25.000 Exactly.

00:27:25.000 Many times the exact same image of the same gods.

00:27:28.000 And so you've told me some private stories.

00:27:29.000 So often.

00:27:30.000 I've told you some private ones.

00:27:32.000 And through my life I have a sixth sense to spirit.

00:27:35.000 It's not instinct.

00:27:36.000 It's something else.

00:27:37.000 And I've had this happen all the time.

00:27:38.000 I usually ignore it.

00:27:39.000 I've learned to not ignore it.

00:27:41.000 And I mean, here's just an example, and this is literally from the ether from God.

00:27:46.000 I can play the clip.

00:27:47.000 About a month before he got fired, I said, Tucker will be fired within one month.

00:27:51.000 And I believe Tucker, he's hardcore, he's awake.

00:27:55.000 The left admits it.

00:27:56.000 I predict he won't be at Fox News in the near future if he's unable to put this out.

00:28:01.000 I'm going to leave it at that.

00:28:02.000 By the way, Fox News needs Tucker Carlson.

00:28:08.000 Tucker Carlson doesn't need Fox News.

00:28:10.000 We'll be back on Monday.

00:28:12.000 Tucker Carlson signed off Friday on what we now know was his last show on Fox News.

00:28:17.000 The network announcing it is severing ties with its most popular host without explanation in a statement Monday.

00:28:23.000 And I've just learned when this stuff happens, I just say it and it's always right.

00:28:27.000 And then now that I've accepted it, it's getting more intense and it's getting stronger.

00:28:31.000 And I know what's going on is these dark forces don't want humans to go to the next level of real evolution.

00:28:38.000 God's real evolution for us.

00:28:40.000 And you hit that on the head.

00:28:40.000 Yes.

00:28:41.000 People see these fake churches.

00:28:42.000 Well, Christ says in the New Testament, he spends the whole time criticizing the Pharisees and Sadducees and saying they pray in public, they act like they're God, they get in front of you in God.

00:28:50.000 He's like, pray in private to God, open up your heart, the kingdom of heaven is with you.

00:28:54.000 You're not God, but you are able to reach out directly, not through some priest, not through some preacher, but directly to God. It's great to go to church, there are other people that are looking for God,

00:29:03.000 there's a psychic connection, it boosts it, but Satan is smart. He, one of the worst places is the churches because that's where he lays the traps.

00:29:10.000 I think that's all true. And I just go back to what I said when we first sat down, which is, why have you been singled out for abuse and persecution? Why?

00:29:24.000 And it, I'm just, like, I'm in the business of trying to figure out, usually unsuccessfully, but why things happen.

00:29:30.000 It's not enough to say that they do.

00:29:31.000 For me, anyway, my curiosity drives me to ask, like, why is this happening?

00:29:34.000 What does this mean?

00:29:35.000 What is this?

00:29:36.000 And the fact that you, specifically you, Alex Jones, for the last 20 years, have been attacked in the way that you have been, even when you're on, like, cable access television, like a threat to nobody.

00:29:50.000 Why did they single you out?

00:29:52.000 And of course, it's not because you're lying.

00:29:54.000 In fact, had you lied and decided to make a career of lying, you would be a lot richer than you are and no one would bother you.

00:30:00.000 You'd be celebrated.

00:30:01.000 You'd have a show on NBC.

00:30:03.000 It's the fact that through you flows some things that are undeniably true.

00:30:08.000 I mean, I can't vouch for all of it.

00:30:09.000 I don't have your full, like, lifetime corpus in front of me, but I know that you predicted, in detail, 9-11 the summer before it happened.

00:30:17.000 Like, that's just a fact.

00:30:19.000 And I've thrown that out there many times, like, okay, you may hit Alex Jones.

00:30:23.000 But what is that?

00:30:25.000 Honestly, how did that happen?

00:30:28.000 That's impossible.

00:30:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:31.000 So why don't you tell me, Alex Jones hater, what are we looking at here?

00:30:36.000 How could he have known that?

00:30:37.000 And the answer, of course, is that you couldn't have known that.

00:30:41.000 That that's supernatural.

00:30:42.000 Now I'm not saying everything you say is like prophecy from God, but I'm saying that's supernatural because I can't think of a natural explanation.

00:30:48.000 Maybe there is one.

00:30:49.000 If there is, tell me what it is!

00:30:50.000 But that's why they hate you.

00:30:52.000 So, um, that's revealing in itself.

00:30:54.000 If you want to know, there it is right there.

00:30:57.000 If July 25th, 2001, I lived in this country, I was in the news business on July 25th, 2001, I was an employee of the Cable News Network in Washington.

00:31:06.000 I hosted a show for CNN.

00:31:07.000 Trust me, we had every national security poobah on there, every retired CIA operative, some current CIA operatives, talking about this stuff all the time.

00:31:15.000 Not one person came within a mile of what you said on some cable access show in Texas.

00:31:21.000 Like, what?

00:31:22.000 So, that's the problem that they have, is that you blurt out these things that are true.

00:31:29.000 And I just think, if you want to understand what's actually going on, take a look at what makes the people in charge the angriest.

00:31:36.000 What are the things you can't say?

00:31:38.000 And that's a pretty reliable guide to what's actually happening.

00:31:41.000 So shifting gears away from me, what is it about Tucker Carlson that makes him so mad?

00:31:46.000 Because you make a lot of predictions and accurate things, but you're even more strong and this is not an assassin contest, we're talking about why the enemy hates us because

00:31:54.000 that's important to understand.

00:31:55.000 What are we doing that can beat them?

00:31:56.000 If they're trying to stop us, we've got something that can defeat them, so everybody needs to understand this.

00:32:00.000 We need to understand this.

00:32:01.000 What is it about you?

00:32:02.000 I think it's that you are definitely genuine, very smart, articulate, and are able to reach Reach out across political lines and unify people.

00:32:10.000 And all you're trying to do is save civilization and our future.

00:32:13.000 They call you a hater.

00:32:14.000 They call you an extremist.

00:32:15.000 CNN and the usual suspects, Brian Stelter's mini-me, Oliver Darcy, is running around trying to get Ticketmaster to pull and shut down your tour.

00:32:24.000 I mean, why are they so scared of you?

00:32:29.000 I don't know if they are.

00:32:32.000 It's funny.

00:32:33.000 So many levels.

00:32:33.000 But I would say, first, I don't have any kind of prophetic ability.

00:32:37.000 I wish I did.

00:32:38.000 Most of my predictions are wrong.

00:32:39.000 Occasionally, I will get a really strong feeling about something, and those turn out to be right.

00:32:44.000 But not that often.

00:32:45.000 From the first day, I thought there was something wrong with the COVID vaccine.

00:32:48.000 I didn't know what it was.

00:32:49.000 I still don't really know.

00:32:50.000 But I felt that very, very strongly, and I went with my instinct on that.

00:32:54.000 Second example of that is the day the war in Ukraine started, I had an overwhelming feeling that this is a really, really big deal.

00:33:02.000 It's not some regional war in Eastern Europe.

00:33:04.000 This is the thing that resets civilization and potentially ends it.

00:33:07.000 I really felt that strongly.

00:33:08.000 And I think that turned out to be true.

00:33:10.000 But most of the time, I don't have that ability.

00:33:13.000 Again, I wish I did.

00:33:14.000 I've never called an election correctly.

00:33:16.000 I always get them wrong.

00:33:18.000 I think the reason they don't like me is because I'm from that world.

00:33:22.000 I really do think that's offensive to them.

00:33:24.000 I mean, I'm not some mega insider or something, but I am actually from that world.

00:33:28.000 I lived in D.C.

00:33:29.000 for 35 years.

00:33:30.000 I worked at CNN.

00:33:31.000 I worked at MSNBC.

00:33:32.000 I worked at PBS.

00:33:32.000 I worked at ABC.

00:33:34.000 I know everybody involved in that world.

00:33:37.000 I know a lot of, you know, government officials.

00:33:39.000 I just I was always a big booster of Washington.

00:33:41.000 I didn't really criticize the system.

00:33:43.000 I sort of believed in the system.

00:33:45.000 I thought some things that you said were really dangerous and scary.

00:33:50.000 I've apologized for that.

00:33:51.000 Turns out you were right.

00:33:52.000 I was wrong.

00:33:52.000 But I really was kind of like I had my views and I was conservative, but basically I was a defender of the system.

00:33:58.000 Because I thought it was worth defending, and it was only eight or nine years ago that I realized, wait, this is really dishonest and wrong, and a lot of the things that they're telling me are the mirror image of the truth.

00:34:11.000 They're not just incorrect, they're an inversion.

00:34:14.000 They're the opposite of the truth.

00:34:16.000 Well, that's my next question and I'll elaborate, but before I forget it.

00:34:19.000 So you talked about your spiritual awakening.

00:34:21.000 What was your political awakening?

00:34:23.000 Because I remember like 12 years ago, you were going to come on the show.

00:34:26.000 You'd attack me and stuff, which I understood. 1.00

00:34:28.000 It was genuine.

00:34:29.000 You had real reasons for it, and I could get the things I was saying were so horrible that only a horrible person would say it when somebody is still projecting their own goodness onto things.

00:34:37.000 So, but what was your, then, the last 12 years, your acceleration until now?

00:34:42.000 I would say, I watch your show every day when you do them.

00:34:45.000 I think you say things, most of the time, deeper than what anybody else is saying.

00:34:49.000 I mean, it's true.

00:34:51.000 So, what was the process of your awakening?

00:34:54.000 Well, it's kind of hard to know because you don't see yourself clearly and I am totally lacking self-awareness.

00:34:59.000 I mean, I can gain 50 pounds and not know it until my pants don't fit.

00:35:02.000 Like, I'm not aware of myself very much.

00:35:05.000 No, that's happened.

00:35:07.000 But anyway, it's hard really to know, but I, you know, living in Washington in the same neighborhood for years, and I mean, I got there in high school.

00:35:18.000 So I mean, I really did.

00:35:19.000 I felt like I was part of the city and of its culture and life.

00:35:23.000 And I did not feel like an outsider there.

00:35:24.000 I felt like a part of it.

00:35:26.000 And watching people I knew personally who I, you know, stood next to at soccer games, like at that level, lie and Sort of, rather than defend what they were doing, attack the person who questioned it.

00:35:42.000 I found that so low, that was so shocking to me, to watch smart people become that defensive about what they were doing, that it opened up a chain reaction in my head.

00:35:51.000 I was like, well, wait a second, if they can't defend something as simple as NATO, they couldn't defend, like, why do we have NATO?

00:35:57.000 What's the answer?

00:35:58.000 If you ask that question, they'll immediately call you a racist or a transphobe or whatever.

00:36:01.000 They'll try to, you know, attack your character rather than answer the question. 0.96

00:36:05.000 And just as a man, I felt that that was so disgusting.

00:36:09.000 I mean, that's what children do.

00:36:11.000 That's what drunk people do. 0.99

00:36:12.000 That's what crazy people do.

00:36:13.000 It's not what my Harvard-educated neighbors are supposed to be doing.

00:36:16.000 We're running federal agencies.

00:36:17.000 So when I saw that at the beginning of the Trump, it was really about Trump.

00:36:21.000 I mean, it wasn't actually about Trump the man, You know, but it was about that moment in 2015-16 and I just thought, well, I have an obligation to see what I think is true and to keep pulling the thread.

00:36:36.000 And that happened to be exactly the moment that I got a new job at Fox and had a bigger platform.

00:36:41.000 And I just thought, you know, I don't know how long I'm going to have this, but I'm going to tell the truth.

00:36:45.000 You know, with the knowledge I'm going to get it wrong often, which I of course do, but I'm not going to lie.

00:36:50.000 Period.

00:36:50.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:36:51.000 And let's just see where this goes.

00:36:53.000 And the more, you know, the more I did try and tell the truth, just without any caveats at all, the bigger reaction I got, a negative reaction, like people really, really hated that.

00:37:05.000 And then I just dug in and I thought to myself, I don't care what you do to me, actually.

00:37:10.000 You know, my kids are grown.

00:37:12.000 I just don't care at all.

00:37:14.000 And I'm just going to say what I think is true.

00:37:16.000 And then the next thing you know, I'm just like, I can't live there anymore.

00:37:19.000 Everyone hates me and I feel sad about that.

00:37:21.000 But I think if you're not, because I actually had a million good friends in D.C.

00:37:24.000 who were good people.

00:37:25.000 I still think they're good people, but they've gone crazy.

00:37:27.000 But it wasn't like you were leaving one place for a worse place.

00:37:30.000 I've been to your place in Maine.

00:37:32.000 It's like Valhalla.

00:37:37.000 It's not a rich Valhalla, but it's more a working-class Valhalla. 0.99

00:37:42.000 No, it's where I went in the summer anyway, so I thought... Well, see, I don't think of Valhalla as palaces or Versailles.

00:37:47.000 I think of Valhalla as big, beautiful mountains coming out of crystal-clear lakes and rivers and trees and normal people.

00:37:54.000 Well, we have a lot of that.

00:37:57.000 Well, and I do think this is like not even relevant, but it's just true.

00:38:01.000 I really like to hunt and fish and camp and be in the woods.

00:38:04.000 And that's, I've felt that way my entire life.

00:38:06.000 Those are just important to me for some reason and always have been since I was a small child.

00:38:11.000 And I think that made a huge difference.

00:38:13.000 I think that if you appreciate nature, you don't have to be John Muir or, you know, live in a yurt.

00:38:19.000 But I think Being around animals and trees and water and granite and pine needles and you know just flowers.

00:38:27.000 That's God's cathedral!

00:38:33.000 Well, I feel that way.

00:38:34.000 I feel that way so strongly.

00:38:35.000 I feel that way overwhelmingly, actually.

00:38:37.000 In fact, I have to restrain myself because I don't want to be barged about it.

00:38:41.000 But I feel, and dogs also, I feel in a way that's hard to explain, but that those things are really important.

00:38:48.000 I think God speaks to us through them, I think.

00:38:50.000 But even message aside, they're such enduring sources of joy.

00:38:56.000 I mean, that's so much more powerful and Fulfilling for me to be in the woods with my dogs than it is to be sitting in front of a laptop, which I don't own, by the way.

00:39:09.000 But even if I did own a laptop and had to sit in front of it, I would still yearn to be outside.

00:39:14.000 And I feel like that does center you.

00:39:15.000 And you don't need to.

00:39:17.000 We live in the middle of like a million acre forest, but you don't have to.

00:39:21.000 You know, you can go to the park.

00:39:23.000 Anything that connects you with God's creation for just a moment every day is every bit as important as going to the gym and getting your cardio or whatever they call it.

00:39:31.000 It's way more important than that.

00:39:33.000 It's spiritually essential.

00:39:35.000 And you don't talk about yourself privately, but I said, man, you want to do a nature show, because I know Ted Nugent well.

00:39:40.000 He's a great shot.

00:39:41.000 He's amazing.

00:39:42.000 But you're a real outdoorsman.

00:39:43.000 I mean, you're sharpening the chainsaw.

00:39:45.000 You're building the houses.

00:39:47.000 You're driving the boats around in the rivers and lakes.

00:39:49.000 You're skinning the bucks and running the trot lines of the bears.

00:39:53.000 I mean, I've been with you.

00:39:53.000 You're like really running around from hunting camp to hunting camp.

00:39:56.000 The show is a side deal.

00:39:58.000 And I could see, like, this is a real outdoorsman, like my grandfather or something.

00:40:02.000 I hope you do some outdoor shows, because if people saw that side of you, they'd be blown away.

00:40:08.000 Well, I've always thought that cameras were corrupting.

00:40:10.000 I mean, we didn't have... That's what I picked up.

00:40:13.000 This is your real life, so that's like private.

00:40:18.000 Well, so I sort of feel, oh gosh, yeah, I sort of feel that way.

00:40:21.000 I do think cameras are, I mean, the most intimate moments of your life should not be filmed.

00:40:27.000 You know, the birth of your child, the conception of your child, you know, the best dinner party you ever had, you know, a drive with your son in the car where you talk about life.

00:40:37.000 Like, these are not things that are, you know, being filmed for others.

00:40:41.000 These are real moments that are lived out in real time and experienced You know, as they happen, not in retrospect.

00:40:48.000 Well, that's what I said.

00:40:49.000 I said, man, you're shooting these clays better than me and my military security detail. 1.00

00:40:52.000 And we're good.

00:40:53.000 And you're shooting bullseye.

00:40:54.000 You're like, you're like Annie Oakley.

00:40:56.000 But a guy.

00:40:56.000 It's my range.

00:40:58.000 But I was like, you got to show people.

00:41:00.000 No, don't videotape me.

00:41:01.000 Don't videotape me doing this.

00:41:03.000 I'm like, OK, John Wayne.

00:41:04.000 No, I don't.

00:41:05.000 No, because you want it to be real.

00:41:07.000 I mean, that is a problem.

00:41:08.000 Look, I'll just say it out, you know, out front.

00:41:11.000 I am not for technology.

00:41:13.000 And I think I go too far on that.

00:41:16.000 I think it's almost like an eccentricity.

00:41:19.000 But I don't like it.

00:41:20.000 And I just don't like it.

00:41:21.000 And that's how I feel.

00:41:22.000 Technology makes my life possible.

00:41:24.000 It makes my job possible.

00:41:25.000 It feeds my children.

00:41:26.000 I mean, there's a lot of technology that's good.

00:41:28.000 I don't want to have to wash laundry by hand.

00:41:31.000 I like washing machines.

00:41:32.000 I mean, there are lots of things about technology that are good.

00:41:34.000 But in my personal life, I really try to limit its use and limit the use of electricity.

00:41:40.000 I just don't like it.

00:41:41.000 That's how I feel.

00:41:41.000 I can't quite explain it.

00:41:43.000 But no, I feel that way really, really strongly.

00:41:45.000 And I just prefer to be in a place without it, if I can.

00:41:50.000 Most of the time I can't.

00:41:51.000 I hear I'm talking to you on some ISDN line, whatever that is.

00:41:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:55.000 But I think getting a respite from that is important because it restores perspective.

00:42:01.000 And if you have the chance to, you know, use a candle instead of an electric light or use an outhouse instead of a flush toilet once in a while, I think it's good for you.

00:42:10.000 I do think that.

00:42:14.000 I don't believe in mail bombs.

00:42:19.000 I don't believe in hurting people.

00:42:20.000 I think Ted Kaczynski was insane obviously for doing that.

00:42:23.000 But Ted Kaczynski's analysis of technology, even if you don't buy it completely, and I don't buy it completely, But it's worth hearing.

00:42:29.000 It's worth thinking about.

00:42:30.000 There should be some counterbalance to the propaganda from Google and the power company that we'd all be nothing without, you know, electricity and microchips.

00:42:40.000 Like, that's not true, actually.

00:42:42.000 That's a lie.

00:42:43.000 And we should say it out loud.

00:42:44.000 It's a lie.

00:42:45.000 And I also think, honestly, that technology can be, while life-saving, you know, if my child had a medical problem, I would hope he went to a doctor, you know, who had access to electricity and machines and all that.

00:42:57.000 It's great.

00:42:58.000 But it can also be, this is just a fact, a vector for evil.

00:43:02.000 Okay, that's just true.

00:43:04.000 And somebody needs to say that.

00:43:06.000 And I don't know why that's considered crazy or, you know, I don't know, radical to say that.

00:43:11.000 I'm an incredibly moderate person.

00:43:12.000 I'm a moderate person by my temperament.

00:43:14.000 I don't like radicalism at all.

00:43:17.000 It's clear that we're way out of balance is what you're saying.

00:43:20.000 Way out of balance.

00:43:21.000 Way out of balance.

00:43:22.000 And I feel that way about so many things.

00:43:25.000 I think people who, you know, you want to build a business, you have to take debt in order to expand the business.

00:43:32.000 I get that.

00:43:33.000 But the idea that we're sending credit cards to college students and hooking them on Debt at 28% interest and nobody knows the names of the credit card executives who are getting rich from the suffering of hundreds of millions of Americans is shocking to me.

00:43:48.000 Instead, we all hate Alex Jones because he's got naughty opinions.

00:43:51.000 Really?

00:43:52.000 What about the head of Citibank, who is hooking our entire country on credit cards and sending people into lifetime debt slavery? 0.99

00:44:01.000 Oh, shut up! 1.00

00:44:03.000 No, you shut up. 1.00

00:44:04.000 You shut up. 1.00

00:44:05.000 You're hooking people on debt. 1.00

00:44:06.000 You're evil.

00:44:07.000 And I think, why does no one say that? 0.98

00:44:09.000 Hey, it's Tucker Carlson.

00:44:11.000 The one thing we know for certain is the United States is going to be one intense place this fall, moving into this presidential election.

00:44:17.000 So we thought, what better time to hit the road and see the country, and we're going to this fall.

00:44:23.000 We are pleased, in fact thrilled, to announce Tucker Carlson Live, which is what it sounds like, a nationwide tour.

00:44:30.000 And at every show, we'll be joined by a friend, a special guest.

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00:45:00.000 Like we should have at least one person saying that maybe everyone else is on the side of of finance which is to say money lending but maybe we should have one person who's like yeah

00:45:08.000 I'm not sure it's a good idea to be in debt to someone else because then that person controls you and you're no longer free like duh you know what I mean?

00:45:15.000 We are totally out of balance.

00:45:17.000 Tucker, you're 100% on target.

00:45:19.000 I mean, when I'm immersed in cities and computers and work, I'm not happy.

00:45:23.000 And when I'm in nature, I am in heaven, particularly in the desert or the woods somewhere where cell phones don't work.

00:45:29.000 I just suddenly feel so calm, so good.

00:45:31.000 It's amazing.

00:45:32.000 So in the time we have left here, this is an incredible interview, I literally wrote 60 plus questions and I've gotten about 10 of them.

00:45:39.000 But let's shift gears back into one of the few questions I asked your crew for, because we don't like pre-programming these interviews, but I said, what's something Tucker wants to talk about?

00:45:47.000 Saving civilization, saving humanity.

00:45:49.000 We've already kind of talked a lot about that, but specifically, let's speak to how do we stop World War III, and then the election, the lawfare, everything backfiring on the establishment.

00:45:58.000 My concern is What are they going to pull?

00:46:01.000 Well, right on time, the bird flu, they're trying to relaunch that.

00:46:04.000 Right on time, they're saying terrorists are about to attack if they open the borders up.

00:46:08.000 Right on time, they're trying to accelerate the war with Russia.

00:46:12.000 I mean, clearly, they're going to pull some October surprise.

00:46:16.000 What do you think that is?

00:46:19.000 I don't know what it is.

00:46:20.000 I mean, my instinct for two years has been that the war in Ukraine, the U.S.

00:46:26.000 war against Russia, Will change world history and certainly change American history and will have an effect on this election.

00:46:34.000 I really think that's the biggest thing happening right now.

00:46:36.000 There are a lot of big things happening but that's the only one with the potential to kill us all in the next three months.

00:46:42.000 So I do think that will play a role in this election because of course wartime gives government wartime powers and those are very different from peacetime powers.

00:46:51.000 Abraham Lincoln who I think was a good man in a lot of ways but became of course a dictator In the middle of civil war and suspended habeas corpus and detained people without charging them and etc, etc.

00:47:02.000 So even I think, you know, even decent men tend to become Winston Churchill, put the entire opposition party in prison with their wives for the duration of the Second World War. 0.73

00:47:15.000 I don't think Churchill was the most evil man in history.

00:47:17.000 I think that's an evil thing to do.

00:47:19.000 And so even good people can become fascist during wartime, and almost always do.

00:47:25.000 So that's something to remember, I think.

00:47:28.000 As to what we can do about it, well, we can do what we're doing, which is to try and tell the truth without fear, as clearly as we can, as thoughtfully as we can, as non-hysterically, as persuasively as we can.

00:47:38.000 But I think the main thing that we can do is recognize our inability to really do anything, because we're not in charge, actually.

00:47:44.000 And so what you can do is become a better person, a more virtuous person, and say your freakin' prayers.

00:47:52.000 I really believe that.

00:47:53.000 I think that.

00:47:54.000 Because at a certain point, like, countries get what they want.

00:47:57.000 And if, you know, all of a sudden you wake up in a country where, you know, a lot of people are convinced it's more virtuous to abort a child than to have a child, People are convinced that, like, war with Russia is somehow really important because Neville Chamberlain bad or whatever.

00:48:12.000 You know, it's hard to stop that.

00:48:13.000 It is.

00:48:14.000 It's hard to stop that.

00:48:15.000 And so you really need to appeal to a higher power because your power is limited.

00:48:20.000 Like, I tell myself this all the time.

00:48:21.000 Like, something will happen.

00:48:23.000 I'll get completely outraged.

00:48:23.000 I got to talk about this!

00:48:24.000 And then part of me says, you know, but don't don't fool yourself.

00:48:27.000 Like, talking about things Is not in the end, you know, the same as like commanding an army or being God.

00:48:35.000 Like you can't, your power is limited.

00:48:37.000 And so I think it's important to appeal to a higher power.

00:48:41.000 If this is a spiritual war, and clearly it is, just on, I mean, I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I've just tried to contain it to like the logical unpacking of it.

00:48:48.000 I don't see what else it could be other than a spiritual war.

00:48:51.000 Well, Tucker, I think you're being very, I think you're being very healthy.

00:48:55.000 Being humble, but you are doing something about it.

00:48:58.000 That's why they want to stop you.

00:48:59.000 I think we have to understand that individually, you know, we can reach out to others, but I get your point.

00:49:04.000 So looking at this...

00:49:06.000 We saw January 6th.

00:49:07.000 You've really been the tip of the spear exposing that it was a provocative event.

00:49:10.000 It's come out in Congress now.

00:49:12.000 It's all been confirmed.

00:49:12.000 January 6th, Puppet Committee has destroyed all their evidence because it showed the truth that they were engineering it.

00:49:18.000 The new Pelosi video admitting they basically had to stand down.

00:49:21.000 They wouldn't let the National Guard out.

00:49:22.000 We walked, I was there, we walked into a trap on that.

00:49:25.000 We saw Pelosi then With the military parades that she was there inspecting and the barbed wire and all these really fascistic totalitarian things we saw and now they're all over the news as you know saying they're training militias, right-wingers, terrorists, they're going to attack.

00:49:44.000 They're pre-programming that, and just like with the fake Governor Whitmer kidnapping, I don't believe, I know, because they've done this before and they're telegraphing it, they're planning to try to trigger civil unrest if they build a civil war.

00:49:56.000 They've got the movies out, they've got it all pre-programmed.

00:49:59.000 That's another one of my big concerns.

00:50:00.000 What's your view on that?

00:50:02.000 Well, that's so obviously true.

00:50:04.000 I mean, you know, one of the many binaries, I think, in life is male-female, masculine-feminine.

00:50:11.000 And there are two ways of fighting and communicating.

00:50:15.000 And they're very different.

00:50:15.000 In fact, they're poles.

00:50:17.000 They're the opposite of one another.

00:50:19.000 One is direct.

00:50:20.000 That's, of course, the masculine form.

00:50:22.000 And the other is indirect.

00:50:24.000 And that's the female form. 1.00

00:50:25.000 And the Democratic Party is, of course, a female party. 0.99

00:50:28.000 And that's how they fight. 0.89

00:50:30.000 They fight by You know, they hit you in the face and scream, stop punching me!

00:50:36.000 Stop punching me!

00:50:38.000 That's exactly what they do.

00:50:40.000 A man fights, he says, what'd you do? 1.00

00:50:42.000 I'm going to kick your ass and then does it. 1.00

00:50:44.000 Of course. 1.00

00:50:45.000 And so, January 6th was sort of in keeping with the way they approached the world.

00:50:49.000 It was a passive-aggressive action.

00:50:52.000 It was, set this up, make it seem like the other guys are attacking, and then crush them.

00:50:59.000 And so, of course, they don't change.

00:51:01.000 That's who they are.

00:51:02.000 They're feline, not canine.

00:51:06.000 And they will do something very much like that, of course.

00:51:09.000 But I don't think that that should deter people from Saying what they think is true and being bold in doing that.

00:51:18.000 And so, for example, Trump is being sentenced on July 11th, so a week before the Republican convention, and they may remand him, they may send him right to jail.

00:51:29.000 How should he respond to that?

00:51:30.000 I mean, there are two ways to respond.

00:51:31.000 One, Is by, you know, doing what they say, doing a press conference from jail, they're persecuting me the other way, and I can't recommend the better way, but there is another way, which is to say, no, this is completely illegitimate, I'm not going to jail, this is a fake crime, you never would have indicted me for it if I hadn't been challenging your power, if I wasn't running for president, I wouldn't be sentenced to jail right now, that's just a fact, everyone knows that's true, this whole process is a sham, I don't believe in your system, my ancestors created this system, and you've taken it over somehow,

00:52:01.000 And perverted it into something unrecognizable.

00:52:03.000 And I'm not playing along.

00:52:05.000 I'm not playing along.

00:52:05.000 I'm not actually going to jail, so why don't you make me?

00:52:08.000 And, you know, that is a way to approach it.

00:52:10.000 And I would say that's the more direct way.

00:52:13.000 Like, why play along with this stuff?

00:52:15.000 What are you going to do about it?

00:52:16.000 But in order to take that posture, you have to be ready to, you know, to get hurt.

00:52:23.000 You do.

00:52:24.000 But I would argue that you have to be ready to get hurt whenever you tell the truth, you know, physically or in some other way.

00:52:31.000 You know, you have to, you know, there's a risk involved.

00:52:33.000 That's why everyone went and took the vax because, like, they don't want to take the vax.

00:52:36.000 Many people didn't, but they're like, it's not worth dealing with the consequences.

00:52:39.000 So let me stop you.

00:52:40.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

00:52:40.000 This is, this is incredible. 0.95

00:52:42.000 And I've been, you're right.

00:52:43.000 I've been thinking about this.

00:52:45.000 I've tried to be Gandhi-esque and have said, you know, never be violent in any way, offensively.

00:52:51.000 But there comes a point with civil disobedience where these are kangaroo courts, it's all been proven, and this is the other political party that's tried to take him off the ballot and been caught at every level rigging these cases, and it's all blown up their face, where Trump then finally says, no, I'm staying here at Mar-a-Lago, this is a fraud, I'm not going.

00:53:10.000 The problem is then the deep state stages terror attacks, blames Trump supporters for it.

00:53:14.000 And so Trump currently saying, I don't mind going to jail.

00:53:16.000 He's going to put himself in jail in Rikers Island. 0.96

00:53:18.000 My concern is they might poison or kill him. 0.94

00:53:20.000 They're that desperate. 0.55

00:53:21.000 So speak to that.

00:53:22.000 And then clearly he has secret service because presidents are under threat and political assassination goes on all the time.

00:53:28.000 They just pumped a month ago, five bullets in the Slovakian.

00:53:32.000 President FICO and they're trying to kill the other leaders, I mean, this is what happens at the start of a major world war, so it's very paradoxical, so can you quantify, I don't

00:53:42.000 think you're calling for either in a way, but you're just basically putting on the table what the options are of what's happening.

00:53:52.000 I mean, I have no idea what the right answer is.

00:53:54.000 I'm, thank God, not facing a decision like that.

00:53:57.000 Trump is.

00:53:58.000 And I think he'll probably, if he's remanded to jail, he'll probably go to jail.

00:54:01.000 I'm only saying, at a certain point, it's important to acknowledge reality.

00:54:05.000 And here's the reality.

00:54:06.000 This is not justice.

00:54:07.000 This is not a justice system.

00:54:09.000 This is a husk of a system built by other people hundreds of years ago that has been taken over by new people who perverted its original intent.

00:54:17.000 It's not real, it's fake.

00:54:18.000 It's like Harvard University.

00:54:19.000 Harvard University was the place where the smartest people in the country went.

00:54:23.000 Now it's a place where you go based on your sex and your race, and the standards have been dropped dramatically, and the rest of us pretend that this zombie institution is the institution that we remember.

00:54:33.000 And it's not.

00:54:34.000 And it's just important to say that.

00:54:35.000 I mean, in Zimbabwe, at the height of Mugabe's reign of terror against whites, he used the British, effectively Anglo justice system in place in Zimbabwe to crush the people whose ancestors built it.

00:54:51.000 It wasn't a real system.

00:54:52.000 It had bore no resemblance whatsoever to the system that had been in place before Mugabe got there, except, you know, the outward, you know, affectations are all the same.

00:55:01.000 The judges still wore wigs.

00:55:02.000 They still, you know, called the court to order with a gavel.

00:55:06.000 But at its heart, it was a completely different thing.

00:55:08.000 And You know, you could argue about whether it's a better thing or a worse thing.

00:55:11.000 I'm just noting the obvious.

00:55:13.000 But that brings us to lawfare.

00:55:14.000 And I think it's important to say that.

00:55:16.000 It is.

00:55:17.000 That brings us to lawfare.

00:55:18.000 I mean, I've experienced it.

00:55:19.000 It's not about me.

00:55:20.000 I knew I was a beta test where I'm found guilty by two judges.

00:55:23.000 Then they have show trials produced by HBO with the judges putting on makeup with scripts.

00:55:29.000 And so I was there in a movie production, and to me it wasn't about, oh, I feel sorry for myself. 0.74

00:55:34.000 I was like, holy crap, we're in a lot of trouble.

00:55:38.000 And then now we've seen it with Trump and everybody else and Steve Bannon and Navarro. 0.94

00:55:42.000 I mean, imagine if they're able to steal the election again, what they're going to do,

00:55:47.000 because they've said on MSNBC, as you know, and everywhere, oh, we're gonna not just go after Trump, all his supporters.

00:55:52.000 And then Biden put out in 2021, his national security directive,

00:55:56.000 the main threat's white supremacy, that basically is almost non-existent

00:56:00.000 when it comes to violence.

00:56:01.000 And then he went on, as you know, to say, what is the definition of white supremacy?

00:56:05.000 Questioning an election, questioning lockdowns, questioning open borders, questioning forced inoculations.

00:56:11.000 So what do you...

00:56:12.000 imagine they're going to do if they're able to steal it again? What do you see unfolding there and what will they do if they retain power in this

00:56:20.000 societal coup? Well what won't they do? I mean they're trying to put the front-runner in the presidential race in prison for the rest of his life

00:56:32.000 for things that are not crimes. So that just I mean that it answers its own Like, they will do anything.

00:56:38.000 And I would expect that to continue.

00:56:42.000 I mean, I do think the formality of these elections is really irksome to them.

00:56:47.000 They hate the whole idea that people they despise would have a role in choosing the government or have any power whatsoever or be disobedient in any way.

00:56:55.000 So they hate elections.

00:56:56.000 The defenders of democracy hate above all democracy, of course.

00:56:59.000 And so I think they will go very, very far in eliminating it.

00:57:03.000 I do think that.

00:57:04.000 And that's why I think that this election is potentially the last one, you know, real election.

00:57:11.000 I think to the extent it's even real.

00:57:13.000 As to what we can do, I mean, look, I'll just tell you what I've resolved to do, which I'm not going to hurt anybody.

00:57:17.000 I don't believe in hurting other people except in self-defense, and I really mean that.

00:57:21.000 That's a religious precept for me, and I'm not going to change.

00:57:23.000 Period.

00:57:24.000 So I'm not staging any kind of violent revolution against anybody, and I'm not going to.

00:57:28.000 And I wouldn't recommend anyone else do it either, but that's what I've decided.

00:57:32.000 But I'm going to tell the truth no matter what.

00:57:34.000 Period.

00:57:34.000 I'm going to say it as loudly as I possibly can, recognizing the whole time that the consequences could be very severe.

00:57:41.000 I mean, I know for a fact they could be.

00:57:43.000 I've already dealt with this a little bit.

00:57:46.000 And I mean, actual consequences, but that's just what it is.

00:57:49.000 Like, what did you expect life was going to be about? 0.99

00:57:52.000 Just ordering shit from Amazon? 0.99

00:57:53.000 Like, this is what it is, actually. 1.00

00:57:55.000 This is what it's always been.

00:57:57.000 And we just grew up, I'll speak for myself, I grew up in a world so insulated from reality, In 1985, America was just so rich, effectively unchallenged internationally, so stable domestically, that you never really had to face human nature.

00:58:12.000 Well, now we do have to face human nature, and human nature is, you know, both good and bad, and there's certainly ugly parts of it.

00:58:17.000 I mean, as, you know, as in Jeremiah, it says, who knows the depravity of the human heart?

00:58:22.000 Like, it's like, they're capable, people are capable of anything, at their worst.

00:58:27.000 And so just know that.

00:58:28.000 It's alright.

00:58:29.000 Just know that.

00:58:30.000 And stop being so shocked by it.

00:58:32.000 Like, would they kill people to take control of the world?

00:58:34.000 Are you joking? 0.83

00:58:35.000 Yeah.

00:58:36.000 Who wouldn't?

00:58:37.000 Absolutely.

00:58:37.000 People have always killed people to take control of the world.

00:58:39.000 Right.

00:58:39.000 So like, you really do need to get out.

00:58:41.000 I think it's easier for young people to get this because they didn't grow up.

00:58:44.000 in this country with the expectation that, you know, everything will always be great.

00:58:48.000 I mean, that's the country that I grew up in, I think you did as well.

00:58:51.000 Normalcy bias.

00:58:51.000 You couldn't even imagine.

00:58:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:54.000 That's a nice way to put it.

00:58:55.000 So just, like, know that. 0.99

00:58:57.000 And if you're going to participate in it, speaking for myself in a nonviolent way, know that telling the truth and you're a living example of this is enough to get you killed.

00:59:06.000 Telling the truth is that offensive to the people in charge because they're not just liars. 0.97

00:59:10.000 Their currency is lies.

00:59:12.000 They're about lies.

00:59:13.000 The whole thing is a lie.

00:59:15.000 And truth is the most offensive thing to them. 0.99

00:59:17.000 So yeah, could you get killed? 0.99

00:59:18.000 Absolutely you could get killed. 0.99

00:59:19.000 But maybe stop whining about it and do the right thing. 0.95

00:59:21.000 I was about to say the alternative.

00:59:23.000 I would much rather be... I would much rather be killed telling the truth than I would, like, die of ALS or something. 0.63

00:59:28.000 Like, we're all gonna die in the end.

00:59:30.000 I don't... I don't want to.

00:59:31.000 I don't... I'm not on a suicide trip.

00:59:32.000 I love my life.

00:59:33.000 And I love my children and my wife and my friends and my dogs and the whole thing.

00:59:36.000 But, you are gonna die, so you might as well be brave.

00:59:40.000 That's how I feel about it.

00:59:41.000 And when you have that attitude, you have a vibrant, powerful civilization, but when you're always cowering to whoever's bullying you, then the worst bullies ascend to power.

00:59:49.000 There was a famous interview with the newspaper, Thomas Jefferson, it's where the quote comes from of all the evil men and tyrants need to flourish as good men do nothing, the newspaper

00:59:58.000 interviewer said, "Well, what's the level that tyrants will go?"

01:00:01.000 And he said, whatever level you accept, because there's always one worse that will replace them.

01:00:05.000 Tucker, we've been going for an hour.

01:00:07.000 You've agreed to do about 25, 30 more minutes.

01:00:09.000 Do you want to take a quick little break here and come back or just keep going?

01:00:13.000 No, I'm totally good.

01:00:15.000 I would just say, you know, part of it is like, I don't think I'll ever figure out in my lifetime until I'm dead.

01:00:21.000 Um, what went on, you know, over the past 10 years, it's too confusing, you know, and I don't think any person can fully understand the moment he's living in.

01:00:31.000 But it does seem pretty clear to me that generational affluence has made America a lot weaker.

01:00:36.000 I'm not for poverty.

01:00:38.000 I'm not, you know, saying it's a good thing to not have enough to eat.

01:00:41.000 I'm not.

01:00:41.000 But meritocracy has been murdered.

01:00:45.000 Well, meritocracy is long gone, but generational affluence is bad for families and it's bad for countries.

01:00:51.000 And I think one of the things we're seeing now is that people just feel like, just make the pain stop.

01:00:58.000 I don't, I'm super, super comfortable.

01:01:00.000 I don't want to be uncomfortable.

01:01:02.000 And I get that.

01:01:02.000 I feel the same way, by the way.

01:01:03.000 I'm not judging anyone.

01:01:05.000 I just want to be comfortable.

01:01:06.000 I get it.

01:01:06.000 But that's not sort of an option right now, actually.

01:01:10.000 Being comfortable is not, you know, on the menu.

01:01:13.000 You're going to be uncomfortable.

01:01:14.000 Stagnant.

01:01:16.000 Yeah, and it's better to choose dignity, I think.

01:01:20.000 It's better to be dignified about it.

01:01:22.000 And what does that mean?

01:01:22.000 Specifically, it means saying what you think is true, because you're not a slave.

01:01:25.000 You're a human being.

01:01:26.000 You're made by God, not the Biden administration.

01:01:29.000 You have an inherent right to say what you think, to believe what you want.

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01:01:39.000 Hey, it's Tucker Carlson.

01:01:40.000 The one thing we know for certain is the United States is going to be one intense place this fall, moving into this presidential election.

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01:02:23.000 [SPEAKING SPANISH]

01:02:29.000 What did he just say?

01:02:31.000 [BLANK_AUDIO]

01:02:31.000 He said there's a storm coming in.

01:02:33.000 I know.

01:02:40.000 We told you what was going to happen and it did.

01:02:45.000 Now we're telling you what's coming.

01:02:48.000 at real Alex Jones on X.

01:02:51.000 And the second someone tries to take that away from you, you know, you have a, you have a moral obligation to resist that.

01:03:11.000 You have to, you don't have a choice.

01:03:12.000 I mean, by the way, most days I would rather just sit in bed and eat French toast and read PG Woodhouse novels with my dogs, okay?

01:03:19.000 That's kind of my preferred, you know what I mean, day?

01:03:22.000 Sounds good, no, believe me.

01:03:22.000 Because I'm lazy and self-indulgent.

01:03:24.000 No, I am.

01:03:26.000 But, that's just not a choice, we don't have that choice.

01:03:29.000 So, be a man about it.

01:03:32.000 Don't lie to yourself.

01:03:34.000 Am I going to go along with the deception and become something less than human?

01:03:39.000 Or am I going to say in a gentle, non-violent, but persistent way, no, I'm not doing that.

01:03:45.000 I'm not taking your COVID vax.

01:03:47.000 I'm not going to pretend boys can become girls. 0.67

01:03:49.000 I'm not going to, you know, mouth the slogans about Vladimir Putin and Zelensky that you're telling me to mouth.

01:03:56.000 I'm just not going to do that.

01:03:57.000 And there's nothing you can do to me that will make me do that.

01:03:59.000 That's beautiful, Tucker.

01:04:00.000 Including death, and I mean it.

01:04:03.000 So, I've got a bunch of questions now I want to race through here with you.

01:04:07.000 So since you talk about it, knowing Trump, and I've been the same, I've been mad at Trump, I've supported Trump.

01:04:14.000 We're not zombies, we're not slaves.

01:04:15.000 Sometimes I hate him, sometimes I love him.

01:04:17.000 I've been public about that.

01:04:18.000 They're like, why did Tucker say bad things?

01:04:19.000 He says good things.

01:04:19.000 Well, it's a complex issue.

01:04:21.000 Why do they hate Trump so much?

01:04:22.000 Let's be completely honest.

01:04:24.000 I know you're a nice guy, but I want your real critique of Trump.

01:04:28.000 Why do they hate Trump so much?

01:04:30.000 And also, who is Donald Trump?

01:04:36.000 Well, Trump is a really unusual person, an extraordinary person.

01:04:40.000 You know, not all good.

01:04:41.000 Obviously, nobody is, but he's unusual.

01:04:44.000 There aren't many people.

01:04:44.000 I know a lot of people.

01:04:45.000 My job is knowing people, talking to people.

01:04:47.000 I haven't met anybody like Trump ever.

01:04:50.000 Um, who is he really?

01:04:52.000 I mean, you know, we'll know that when we die.

01:04:54.000 You know, it's hard to know who people really are.

01:04:56.000 And I should just say, I've been mad at Trump.

01:04:59.000 I've said so.

01:05:00.000 But my gut level affection for Trump is really strong.

01:05:03.000 I just like Trump.

01:05:04.000 I like talking to Trump.

01:05:05.000 I like having dinner with Trump.

01:05:07.000 He's just an appealing guy.

01:05:08.000 So I should say that.

01:05:09.000 But who is he really?

01:05:10.000 I mean, these are deep waters.

01:05:12.000 Who am I really?

01:05:15.000 God will judge that.

01:05:16.000 But I would say they hate Trump for reasons that are not obvious.

01:05:20.000 So if what they wanted was a certain policy outcome, Trump is not very ideological.

01:05:26.000 So if the most important thing to Permanent Washington was continuing to fund Zelensky, and that is very important to them, then they would just say, look, We're going to shut off all campaign donations and send you to prison until you agree to fund Ukraine forever.

01:05:39.000 And Trump will probably say, OK, it's worth it.

01:05:41.000 That's not what this is about.

01:05:42.000 I mean, they want that, but that's not what it's about.

01:05:45.000 They understand, and by they I mean the bipartisan coalition that runs Washington and has for decades and has really run America into the ground and mismanaged the world to the point we're on the cusp of nuclear war.

01:05:55.000 OK, those people.

01:05:57.000 Those people understand, they've kind of come to the end.

01:06:00.000 They've come to the end.

01:06:00.000 They have no inherent credibility.

01:06:03.000 They're not democratically elected.

01:06:05.000 I think the last election was a sham, even if it was real.

01:06:08.000 The majority of the population does not support their program, so they don't have a democratic mandate, which is to say a legitimate mandate.

01:06:14.000 In a democracy, legitimacy derives from the population.

01:06:16.000 If most people don't support something, then it's not legitimate, right?

01:06:19.000 Because it's a democracy.

01:06:20.000 That simple.

01:06:21.000 They don't have that, so they know they're illegitimate.

01:06:24.000 They know that if they lose, they're going to face consequences to some extent.

01:06:28.000 Probably not great consequences, let's be honest, but some consequences.

01:06:31.000 But more to the point, when you are fragile, when you realize that people don't really support you, when you know that you're illegitimate, when you know you've committed criminal acts, and they have, a lot of them, Then any chink in the armor is potentially fatal, because you are weak. 0.99

01:06:48.000 That's the truth.

01:06:49.000 They are weak.

01:06:50.000 Their empire is built on lies, purely on deception, and you can feel it when you deal with them.

01:06:55.000 Weak people are fragile. 1.00

01:06:57.000 It's the divorced mom with a hangover like, SHUT UP! 1.00

01:07:00.000 SHUT UP! 1.00

01:07:02.000 STOP! 1.00

01:07:03.000 Whereas, you know, the strong sober dad is like, settle down a little bit.

01:07:07.000 You know, it's okay.

01:07:08.000 Right?

01:07:08.000 Strong people are not hysterical.

01:07:10.000 Weak people are hysterical.

01:07:12.000 So their gut level understanding and they're absolutely right.

01:07:15.000 If they let... So if I were running this, I'd say, just let the guy win.

01:07:18.000 Why do you care?

01:07:19.000 It's four years.

01:07:20.000 It's a lot easier.

01:07:21.000 You don't have to have all these fights.

01:07:23.000 You don't have to go crazy or wreck the system.

01:07:25.000 Let the guy win and then, you know, win again in four years.

01:07:27.000 Or like, how about make a little bigger effort with working class whites?

01:07:31.000 Like, why is that so hard?

01:07:32.000 And isn't that Trump's biggest success, Tucker, is that he's drawn out the deep state?

01:07:36.000 Well that is his success, but they can't allow him... I've only reached this conclusion recently because it's not obvious as a political analysis.

01:07:46.000 There are other ways to get what you want than what they're doing.

01:07:49.000 But Trump as a symbol is deadly to them.

01:07:54.000 If Trump is elected again, Their whole system, like they fear that their whole system and not just the government but you know the spider web of NGOs and publicly traded businesses.

01:08:06.000 It emboldens the people.

01:08:08.000 I mean that's it.

01:08:08.000 He's not out to get the people.

01:08:10.000 He knows he makes mistakes.

01:08:11.000 He's pro-human, pro-populist.

01:08:13.000 He went to Kim Jong-un and said let's just build hotels and casinos.

01:08:16.000 What's your problem?

01:08:17.000 He just, he wants success and they don't.

01:08:19.000 They're feudalist, feudal controllers.

01:08:21.000 They don't want that.

01:08:23.000 Well, I just think as a symbol, that you're absolutely right, but as a symbol, if he becomes president, what does it suggest? 0.99

01:08:30.000 It suggests that their whole sort of empire of bullshit is collapsing. 0.81

01:08:37.000 And they've said that in the Financial Times and Atlantic Monthly, which is their mouthpiece, they said, if the populists get Trump in again, it's over because it emboldens the populists. 0.98

01:08:47.000 I think that's right.

01:08:48.000 I mean, just imagine running what you describe as a constitutional republic or a democracy and waking up one morning and finding that your greatest fear is that the majority will get what it wants.

01:08:59.000 You would think some self-awareness alarm would go off and be like, wait a second, isn't the whole point of this project to deliver to the majority what it wants because they own the government, not me?

01:09:10.000 But it never seems to occur to them.

01:09:11.000 Maybe it doesn't.

01:09:12.000 I don't know what they actually think.

01:09:14.000 All I know is that they've decided that, and I think it's absurd, I think permanent Washington could easily outlive another four years of Trump, just as it did the first four years of Trump.

01:09:25.000 But they don't feel that way at all.

01:09:27.000 And so they will do anything.

01:09:29.000 And I've talked to Trump about this a number of times.

01:09:32.000 He's not engaged with me on it. 0.98

01:09:34.000 He's not stupid. 0.89

01:09:36.000 Of course, he understands But he won't respond on the assassination question, so you speak to it. 0.80

01:09:40.000 He will not.

01:09:41.000 That's clearly the next move.

01:09:42.000 Right.

01:09:44.000 Well, that's right. 0.60

01:09:44.000 And by the way, I think it's a little bit too obvious to, you know, shoot people in a motorcade. 0.60

01:09:49.000 They'll poison him. 0.82

01:09:51.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:09:52.000 61 years later.

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:54.000 People, there are a lot of ways.

01:09:56.000 I mean, You know, you do sort of wonder how Jack Ruby died of galloping cancer, like, a week before his second trial.

01:10:03.000 Like, what was that?

01:10:04.000 You know, they have weaponized cancer that'll kill you in two weeks. 0.95

01:10:07.000 But a CIA psychiatrist, you know, Jolly West visits him and then next thing you know, oh, I've got terminal cancer!

01:10:14.000 Oh, I'm dead in a week!

01:10:15.000 Okay.

01:10:16.000 Um, so, you know, look, I don't know.

01:10:17.000 I'm not a physician.

01:10:18.000 I'm not a master of the dark arts.

01:10:20.000 Um, but I don't, I don't think like shooting people in public is, uh, you know, it's, it's a little bit obvious at this point, but there are, there are lots of ways that like, honestly, if you think this is a spiritual war and you're not saying prayers every day, then you don't really think it's a spiritual war.

01:10:38.000 Do you?

01:10:39.000 Right.

01:10:40.000 And I obviously, so I really do think it's a spiritual war.

01:10:43.000 I really do believe that.

01:10:44.000 And these are physical manifestations of an age old conflict.

01:10:50.000 I mean, literally age old, since the beginning of time, this conflict has been playing out.

01:10:55.000 And we have the privilege of, of knowing that, like, this is kind of the last conclusion I ever thought I would come to in my life.

01:11:01.000 Growing up in a materialist, rational world in Southern California in the 70s and 80s, if you told me that by 55 I'd be like sitting talking to Alex Jones about how we're in a spiritual war, I'd be like, what?

01:11:13.000 No!

01:11:13.000 I don't think so!

01:11:15.000 But it's just so obvious.

01:11:18.000 And so I do think prayer plays a huge, huge role in this, like a pivotal role in it.

01:11:23.000 And I hope people take that seriously.

01:11:27.000 Well, we do take it seriously.

01:11:28.000 So we're at a major crossroads.

01:11:30.000 To me, The dark forces spiritually manipulating and controlling these minions, these failures, these fallen clown show vassals who really are just spiritual puppets, they're scared of something coming.

01:11:42.000 And if you study the Bible and other ancient religions, they talk about not the fake liberal New Age stuff, but humans going next level.

01:11:52.000 And I'm seeing a splitting away, people that get more into darkness, more dumbed down, or people Really becoming more attuned, more connected, more aware.

01:11:59.000 It's not just you and I, or Joe Rogan waking up, or Jimmy Dore, or Russell Brand, or everybody.

01:12:05.000 And notice how all the popular people, despite censorship and attack, are people that are pro-human.

01:12:10.000 Because humans actually want that.

01:12:12.000 It's like we're selling snow cones in hell.

01:12:15.000 But at the same time, the system is rushing into control.

01:12:19.000 I really feel they're scared of humanity reaching a zenith or a tipping point.

01:12:25.000 What's your view on that?

01:12:29.000 Well, I mean, I think this is an attempt to extinguish humanity.

01:12:33.000 You know, if you're a Christian, and I can't speak for other religions, so I think this is kind of a commonly held belief among all world religions, or most anyway, but certainly if you're a Christian, you believe that Mankind, people, were created in God's image.

01:12:45.000 We're not gods, but God created us in His image. 0.63

01:12:48.000 So if your program is to oppose God, then by definition you're going to want to kill all the people.

01:12:55.000 So it makes sense theologically, it makes sense intuitively, and I sincerely believe that that is exactly what's happening.

01:13:04.000 So how do you respond to it?

01:13:06.000 Well, with bravery, without fear, Like, again, I don't know what everyone's so afraid of.

01:13:11.000 It's so weird.

01:13:12.000 Everyone's so- I mean, I'm not- I'm trying not to be judgy.

01:13:15.000 I mean, there are things worth being afraid of, I guess.

01:13:17.000 But telling the truth and standing firm in what you know to be true?

01:13:21.000 I- There's no reason to fear that.

01:13:24.000 Like, what's the worst thing- Like, if we're living in a totalitarian moment where the aim is to kill people, okay?

01:13:31.000 You already know how it's gonna end if you don't do anything.

01:13:36.000 So why not just smile and tell the truth?

01:13:42.000 Let's go ahead and go to Bikini Truther in Nevada. 0.85

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01:15:37.000 I mean, like, what's the worst that can happen?

01:15:39.000 Well, what's going to happen anyway?

01:15:40.000 But at least you retain your dignity.

01:15:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:43.000 I just don't get it.

01:15:44.000 Why is it so hard?

01:15:45.000 I totally agree with you.

01:15:47.000 For me, the great part about being on Earth 30 years, you 30 plus years, is the learning process of trying to tell the truth, trying to learn the truth, getting more and more accurate, still make mistakes.

01:15:56.000 But for me, when I meet black, white, Hispanic, old, young, Asian, it doesn't matter, people that love liberty, that love freedom, they have electric eyes.

01:16:06.000 And the children of those people have electric eyes like they did 20, 30 years ago.

01:16:10.000 Everybody had those.

01:16:11.000 There's like a soullessness in people now that aren't awake, that are disconnected.

01:16:14.000 So to me, the journey is the destination.

01:16:18.000 And to me, it's getting to meet all the really awake people This is amazing!

01:16:23.000 And then I get around Globalist, not as much as you've been around over the years, but I've been to some of the events and I've had private meetings with them when they want to meet.

01:16:28.000 I met with some of the Bilderberg Group members and Kissinger tried to get me 15 years ago to work for him, did it in front of my producer.

01:16:34.000 But I'm around them.

01:16:35.000 They feel so unhappy and I feel an emptiness, but I'm around you and your wife and your dogs and your crew are around all, just old men, people fishing at a pier.

01:16:46.000 It is so real.

01:16:47.000 It's so satisfying.

01:16:48.000 I want to just defend it.

01:16:50.000 I mean, you know what I'm saying?

01:16:52.000 I know.

01:16:52.000 I'm embarrassed that I didn't say it before you did.

01:16:57.000 There's so much sadness in this moment, watching all these things you love be destroyed.

01:17:02.000 I'm almost over that, actually.

01:17:03.000 I've accepted it.

01:17:04.000 But what I didn't mention, and shame on me for not, is the upside of the moment, which is the people.

01:17:10.000 I mean, you wind up meeting these people in so many cases.

01:17:13.000 I had dinner last night or two nights ago in my barn with somebody, a well-known person, who I never in a million years thought I would ever have a meal with.

01:17:20.000 And it turns out we had everything in common.

01:17:22.000 And this is one of the people you described, an awake person, who was not where he expected to be, reached conclusions he never thought he would reach.

01:17:29.000 He's got opinions that were repugnant to him 10 years ago, as do I. And how beautiful is that?

01:17:35.000 Because People like that are liberated from the burden of having to pretend they don't.

01:17:42.000 It's a huge burden to lie.

01:17:43.000 It's a massive.

01:17:44.000 I mean, all of us lie, you know, and if you caught me doing something terrible today, I probably would lie, you know, but it would be a huge burden.

01:17:51.000 And once you feel like, well, I don't have to do that anymore, like there's no reason to do that.

01:17:55.000 Why would I do that?

01:17:56.000 And I'm just not going to.

01:17:57.000 Oh, you're just you're just freer.

01:17:59.000 Like that is actual liberation.

01:18:01.000 And that's why occasionally you meet people.

01:18:03.000 I have met people in my life who've been in prison, for example, like actual prison locked away who are so free inside.

01:18:11.000 I'm very anti-prison.

01:18:13.000 For the record, I'm not encouraging prison.

01:18:15.000 I hate prison, actually.

01:18:16.000 But it is also true, and because I've seen known these people, that it's possible to lock a man in a concrete room with no windows and He can be free anyway inside because it is an internal thing, actually.

01:18:31.000 And when you meet someone who has reached that or is in the process of reaching it, it's just thrilling.

01:18:37.000 You just want to be around people like that.

01:18:39.000 So the bottom line is my friendships are so much deeper now than they were 10 years ago.

01:18:45.000 It's like no comparison.

01:18:46.000 Like I have conversations every single day with people that are so deep And rewarding for me, that make me feel so good, so connected to another person, which is the whole purpose of life, break the veil, connect.

01:18:59.000 I mean, that's what sex is, you know, connect with someone.

01:19:02.000 But to do that just in conversation with people is thrilling.

01:19:07.000 And it happens many times more often now than it did 10 years ago.

01:19:11.000 10 years ago, once a month, I'd be like, wow, I met this amazing person.

01:19:13.000 I was about to say, I swear to God, we're simpatico.

01:19:17.000 I was gonna say 10 years ago, it happened like once a month.

01:19:19.000 Now it's all day long.

01:19:22.000 Yes!

01:19:22.000 I have the same thing!

01:19:24.000 Like, what is that?

01:19:25.000 I don't know, but... By the way, I don't need to know.

01:19:27.000 I mean, I have lots of theories about it.

01:19:29.000 The, you know, the gathering of, you know, the sorting of society.

01:19:32.000 I mean, clearly that is happening.

01:19:34.000 But I don't even need to know.

01:19:35.000 I'm just enjoying it.

01:19:36.000 It's almost like...

01:19:38.000 You know, it's almost like I get into bed at night and I've got two dogs under my arms and it's like, I don't think a lot about what that means.

01:19:43.000 I'm just like, I'm so happy!

01:19:46.000 It's like, it's just a, it's a, it's a gut level animal joy that I experience when I really connect with someone in a real way.

01:19:53.000 I think that is one of the main reasons that we're on this earth to do that.

01:19:57.000 Well dogs are so honest, and I said this to my parents like 30 years ago, I said dogs are like a psychic buffer.

01:20:02.000 They're even more psychic than us, but they don't even have a mission except to love you and be part of the group, and it's unconditional love.

01:20:08.000 I mean you feel the love of a dog that loves you.

01:20:11.000 People that have really mean dogs, I go to their house and say, why does my dog suddenly love you?

01:20:14.000 I say, well I like him, I like her.

01:20:17.000 So in the few minutes, 10 minutes we have left Tucker, I think it's clear that we're at a major crossroads and inflection point, the biggest in human civilization that we know of.

01:20:26.000 Maybe stuff happened before.

01:20:27.000 We know our mainline history isn't true.

01:20:28.000 And you talk about that.

01:20:31.000 So speak about where you think we are in history, and then you've talked about the Nephilim that are in the Bible.

01:20:37.000 And you're just, and I know the globalists, I know some of the elites, they're obsessed, you know, that's what the movie Prometheus is, it's what they really believe.

01:20:43.000 None of them are really atheists at the top.

01:20:45.000 They believe that aliens put us here, that they're about to learn the secrets and become gods, but first they've got to do the sacrifice and survival of the fittest, but you get criticized for that.

01:20:54.000 We have all these UAVs that are doing, you know, Mach 100 and, you know, turning on perfect lines that, you know, And none of our machines can do.

01:21:02.000 There's a lot going on here.

01:21:03.000 So just the infinite, to me, admitting there's an infinite makes these globalists even smaller when they try to have their big events and all their big fanfare and the trumpets playing.

01:21:12.000 They want us to believe they're everything, they're really nothing.

01:21:15.000 So I've said a lot there, but we're at a crossroads and you talk about what's in the Bible and the Sumerian text and all these other ancient texts around the world say the exact same

01:21:25.000 thing and I don't think they want us understanding that.

01:21:28.000 But it's like they've gotten some order by some other group, like the Bible says the devil's marooned here, wants to kill us, kill, steal, and destroy until we actually carry

01:21:37.000 out the real mission and what we're about to do like a, like a caterpillar in a cocoon About to come out and be a butterfly.

01:21:48.000 Well, I hope that's right.

01:21:50.000 I mean, it does feel like we're moving toward, you know, toward some resolution of a long-standing problem.

01:21:56.000 But, you know, that may not be the case.

01:21:58.000 You can't... Let me just say, parenthetically, I adamantly agree with your point that our understanding of history is not supported by the archaeological or geologic record, okay?

01:22:09.000 It's just fake.

01:22:11.000 I'm not sure what the truth is, but clearly the story we were told is not true.

01:22:16.000 So there's that. By the way, interrupt real quick. Did you know the WEF is running around the world suppressing hundreds of archaeological digs with the UN right now where they're now saying the environmental thing to do is not dig up this?

01:22:26.000 You just said it, but why don't they want this dug up? I didn't mean to interrupt. Go ahead.

01:22:30.000 No, I didn't know that, but that's absolutely perfect.

01:22:34.000 There has been...

01:22:35.000 It just tells you a lot.

01:22:37.000 There's been an extraordinary effort on the part of various authorities over the last hundred or so years to suppress and distort archaeology.

01:22:47.000 And now DNA testing.

01:22:49.000 And I find that really interesting.

01:22:50.000 Why do they care, actually?

01:22:52.000 Why would you care what we learn about the world two or three thousand, five thousand years ago?

01:22:57.000 Why is that a threat to you?

01:22:59.000 But it is.

01:23:00.000 In the same sense that all government propaganda about UAPs, UFOs, has one point, and that's to deny the existence of the supernatural.

01:23:09.000 Well, why is that?

01:23:10.000 You know, that's the message.

01:23:12.000 If there's one message from the propaganda from the various federal agencies and journalism companies involved in lying about UAPs, it's the supernatural is not real.

01:23:22.000 Why do they want us to believe that?

01:23:24.000 I don't know.

01:23:27.000 But it's very revealing.

01:23:28.000 The lies themselves are always the key to the truth.

01:23:32.000 What do all of their lies have in common?

01:23:34.000 What's the message here?

01:23:36.000 What do they want me to believe?

01:23:38.000 And you're probably not going to go broke betting on the opposite being true, I would say.

01:23:42.000 But as for where we are in history, it's unknowable.

01:23:45.000 And if you're a Christian, you will notice.

01:23:47.000 In all the prophetic apocalyptic writings in the Bible, which I've read, there is consistently a warning to people reading these, like, you don't know, actually.

01:23:57.000 And the end of history comes, I think I'm quoting, like a thief in the night.

01:24:00.000 Like, you don't know.

01:24:00.000 If you knew, like, you would have probably a different response.

01:24:03.000 So I think it's important to go into this question on, as all questions, with the knowledge of your limitations.

01:24:09.000 You know, like, you're probably not going to figure out when the end of history is coming.

01:24:12.000 But clearly, We're in the middle of a pivot, like clearly.

01:24:17.000 And clearly the stakes are bigger than like who runs the executive branch of government, like way bigger than that.

01:24:24.000 They're the future of the world.

01:24:25.000 The last thing I will say is I think it's really important to understand what they hate.

01:24:31.000 Most of all, they hate a lot of different things. 0.86

01:24:33.000 They hate working class whites. 0.99

01:24:34.000 They hate tobacco. 0.99

01:24:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:36.000 They hate testosterone.

01:24:38.000 They have a lot of hates. 0.99

01:24:39.000 These are hateful people. 0.97

01:24:40.000 They're haters. 0.99

01:24:41.000 But the thing they hate most, above all else, is Christianity. 0.73

01:24:45.000 Not all religions, Christianity. 1.00

01:24:47.000 That's what they hate.

01:24:48.000 But why is that, exactly?

01:24:50.000 Why is Christianity, which is the world's only non-violent religion, like, really?

01:24:55.000 It's certainly, it's the world's biggest religion, and it is officially non-violent.

01:24:59.000 Turn the other cheek.

01:25:01.000 Someone takes your cloak, give them your shirt. 0.99

01:25:04.000 That's the religion.

01:25:05.000 It's the religion of peace.

01:25:07.000 That's the threat?

01:25:09.000 Why is that?

01:25:09.000 In other words, if I'm a Buddhist or a Hindu or a Zoroastrian, it doesn't matter what my religion is, and I'm running a country, I want a country full of Christians.

01:25:20.000 Because they're civic-minded, I know for a fact they're not going to foment bloody revolution against me because their religion tells them not to.

01:25:27.000 They're peaceful, they're hard-working, they stay married, they're not out doing crazy things.

01:25:32.000 I want Christians.

01:25:33.000 That would be the logical, obviously the logical conclusion, right?

01:25:37.000 Because they're just...

01:25:38.000 They're orderly people because that's their religion.

01:25:39.000 And why would you be against that?

01:25:40.000 Why would you be against that?

01:25:41.000 Not just against it.

01:25:42.000 It's the thing that they hate most.

01:25:44.000 It's the thing they're most threatened by.

01:25:46.000 It's the thing that they seek to destroy.

01:25:48.000 And you have to just ask, like, why?

01:25:50.000 That's not rational.

01:25:52.000 There's no sort of policy goal that's served by opposing Christianity.

01:25:55.000 They're spiritual.

01:25:55.000 There's only a spiritual goal that is served by opposing Christianity.

01:26:00.000 In closing, you're the master at ever plugging all the great things you're doing, your show, your network, the great lab of integrity.

01:26:06.000 We're going to do that in a moment, but since we bring this up, Elon Musk.

01:26:10.000 I judge a tree by its fruits, as Christ said, and Musk is involved in all the big high-tech things that could have Trojan horses and issues, but I see him pivoting.

01:26:18.000 From being, you know, moderately globalist to at the World Government Forum last year saying, world government's bad, it's tyranny, we're against it.

01:26:26.000 I see him boosting free speech.

01:26:27.000 I see him attacked by all these governments from Australia to Brazil to the EU, trying to arrest him.

01:26:32.000 And I see him reaching hundreds, the only thing bigger than Tucker Carlson, he kind of goes, well it doesn't kind of go, it goes, It's great.

01:26:41.000 I don't want to be number one.

01:26:42.000 I love seeing people more articulate than me and that means we're winning.

01:26:46.000 But you're like right below Elon Musk.

01:26:48.000 It's true.

01:26:49.000 The second most influential person in the world in thought today.

01:26:54.000 Even above Joe Rogan it's not a contest it's just you have to recognize it is Tucker Carlson with all the choices you've made the things you've done and you're a humble man that's why God's given you this power but but we're there Elon Musk because I cannot bitch at a gift horse I cannot look at somebody where I'm reaching 10-15 million people a day on X and I'm not being censored and the real me can be seen and they're like well he's doing this he's doing that but you know Elon what you Give us a few minutes on Elon Musk, because I think he needs to be protected and defended.

01:27:20.000 He's in a lot of danger. 0.99

01:27:21.000 He's really stuck his neck out there, and I think we're idiots if we don't back him. 0.99

01:27:28.000 Well, I think the first thing you said is the truest thing. 0.99

01:27:31.000 Judge a tree by its fruits, you know?

01:27:33.000 Anyone who's not against me is for me.

01:27:35.000 And look, I kind of gave up.

01:27:38.000 Here I've been talking about motives and what motivates people.

01:27:41.000 The truth is it's pretty hard to know.

01:27:42.000 I don't even understand my own motives a lot of the time.

01:27:45.000 I act on instinct.

01:27:45.000 Action matters!

01:27:46.000 Action matters!

01:27:48.000 My grandfather used to tell my dad, I don't want to hear talk, I want to see action.

01:27:53.000 Well, and if I'm trying to judge someone, I judge him by his actions.

01:27:57.000 Stop telling me you're a great person.

01:27:59.000 Show me whom you've helped.

01:28:00.000 Like, it's kind of that simple for me.

01:28:02.000 And I think Elon has done an extraordinary thing by opening up X to, you know, greater speech, freer speech.

01:28:12.000 I mean, it's just extraordinary.

01:28:13.000 It's extraordinary.

01:28:13.000 And you notice it immediately in the downstream effects are super obvious.

01:28:17.000 People are less afraid to say what they think is true, as compared to last year, certainly as compared to three years ago, when people literally couldn't even ask.

01:28:26.000 Like, how?

01:28:28.000 I mean, I have a friend who's injured by the vax.

01:28:30.000 I'm afraid to say that?

01:28:31.000 Really?

01:28:32.000 A medicine that you forced me to take hurt me, and I'm too afraid to say that out loud?

01:28:38.000 Like, that's a crazy level of fear.

01:28:41.000 And I feel like that has really evaporated.

01:28:44.000 And I think Elon Musk is the main reason.

01:28:47.000 Opening up X for people to, you know, have unauthorized thoughts like that, it just frees everybody.

01:28:53.000 It's revolutionary.

01:28:54.000 It's an inspiration.

01:28:54.000 In the same way the United States was an inspiration to the world for a hundred years, post-World War I, because we had liberal democracy and market capitalism and it seemed to kind of work.

01:29:03.000 And everyone's like, oh yeah, I don't want to just buy the Coca-Cola and the Levi's.

01:29:07.000 I want the system that produced the Coca-Cola and the Levi's.

01:29:10.000 We didn't even need a State Department or a USIA to make that case.

01:29:13.000 People just watched and they're like, yeah, that works.

01:29:15.000 I want it.

01:29:17.000 And I think that freedom of speech and creativity are exactly the same.

01:29:21.000 You know, I don't want to hear a lecture about creativity.

01:29:24.000 If I look at you and I'm like, that person is a free thinker who's creative and that's joyful and productive and great.

01:29:30.000 In fact, it's holy, which it is, then I want some of that.

01:29:34.000 It inspires me.

01:29:35.000 It gives me heart, courage.

01:29:38.000 Yeah, so… Well, in closing, talking about Elon, he's putting out the actuaries and numbers about

01:29:43.000 the collapse of the Western world, people not having children.

01:29:46.000 The globalists are the opposite.

01:29:47.000 They're saying humans are over, there's no human future.

01:29:50.000 You all know Harari, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates.

01:29:52.000 He is directly saying to them, "You're going to destroy civilization and you're going to destroy yourself in the process.

01:29:58.000 We must stop you." 0.98

01:29:59.000 He has, whatever reason he did it, he's made the decision to pivot to pro-humanity.

01:30:03.000 He agreed with me.

01:30:04.000 I said, "We should call this Team Humanity."

01:30:06.000 I said, "Yeah, let's call this Team Humanity" and interviewed with him.

01:30:09.000 That is so profound.

01:30:10.000 That is so powerful.

01:30:11.000 Tucker, I know you've been very gracious, you've got more to do today, you've given us an hour and a half.

01:30:17.000 In closing, because you… You're the master of everything except promoting the great work you're doing.

01:30:21.000 And I think if you got behind promoting yourself, and I'm not criticizing you, it'd be even bigger.

01:30:25.000 Tell us about your show.

01:30:26.000 Tell us about your TuckerCarlson.com.

01:30:28.000 Tell us about the speaking tour, because these are like mini Trump rallies, which are going to be bigger than his in many cases.

01:30:35.000 Because they're trying to put him in jail.

01:30:37.000 He could be in jail coming up in September and October and November when you've got this big tour.

01:30:42.000 I know you're adding dates all the time and I'm going to be involved in some.

01:30:45.000 Well, we'll just leave it at that.

01:30:46.000 I'm so honored to be there.

01:30:47.000 But these are important free speech rituals that the enemy is so upset about.

01:30:51.000 So please tell us a few minutes about everything.

01:30:54.000 Tucker Carlson, the Tucker Carlson Network, and now everybody needs to not just say, oh, Tucker's so big, he's going to handle it.

01:30:59.000 No, we need to magnify what you're doing.

01:31:03.000 I said sure I'd be happy to, but actually it pains me.

01:31:06.000 Can I say one thing about... Yeah, why won't you talk about yourself?

01:31:09.000 Go ahead, go ahead.

01:31:10.000 I will, I will, I will.

01:31:11.000 Because I'm a wasp, I hate this. 0.96

01:31:13.000 It's like getting a prostate exam for me. 0.64

01:31:17.000 Let me just say that that's kind of the nub of everything, Elon's point about birth rates, because it is once again a binary. 0.94

01:31:25.000 You're either the sort of person who dreams about killing Extinguishing life?

01:31:30.000 Or the kind of person who dreams about creating life?

01:31:32.000 I mean, it's really a very simple choice.

01:31:35.000 And if you're not reproducing, then you're dying.

01:31:40.000 And the idea of embracing that is so unnatural, so grotesque.

01:31:44.000 I mean, there's nothing greater.

01:31:45.000 Everyone's supposedly obsessed with sex.

01:31:47.000 Well, what is sex?

01:31:47.000 It's the beginning of the creation of life.

01:31:50.000 That's why we're driven to do it.

01:31:52.000 Because there's nothing greater.

01:31:53.000 There's nothing more fulfilling.

01:31:54.000 There's nothing more inherently meaningful.

01:31:56.000 than creating life or being present when God creates it through the acts of sex like it's the greatest thing that there is and then

01:32:02.000 children of course are part of you there's no greater achievement than having children there's

01:32:06.000 no more enduring joy than having it's beyond magic you and a woman you love have great pleasure and interface

01:32:12.000 and then merge your genetics to create this wonderful new creature that is the this it's freaking everything I mean God is there you see

01:32:18.000 the perfection unbelievable yes exactly

01:32:22.000 God is there.

01:32:23.000 So, you know, you find people who don't have a chance to have children or don't realize its importance until it's too late.

01:32:28.000 I mean, that's always the case.

01:32:30.000 Or the society is, you know, having problems.

01:32:31.000 And the left's so mad they don't have kids, they want to take it away from us.

01:32:34.000 Notice, those that don't have kids form the core of the globalist death cult because they're pissed they didn't have it, they want to take it away.

01:32:41.000 But they're literally, it's more than just like some people don't have kids, it's like they're promoting not having kids.

01:32:47.000 By promoting, you know, the LBGTQ three-spirit agenda, of course, that's what that is. 0.82

01:32:54.000 It's not about tolerating people who are different, which almost every American is just instinctively happy to do, very much including me.

01:33:01.000 No, it's promoting childlessness.

01:33:03.000 It's the end of family, the end of children, the end of reproduction, the end of humanity.

01:33:07.000 It's anti-life.

01:33:09.000 And the opposite of that is pro-life, not just opposing abortion, which you should do because it's killing. 0.93

01:33:14.000 But more broadly, I'm for reproduction.

01:33:16.000 I'm for babies.

01:33:18.000 And I just think it's kind of that clear.

01:33:20.000 And if you find yourself on the side that's against people, against babies, against reproducing, against reproductive sex, against joy, human connection, like you're on the wrong side, actually.

01:33:32.000 And there's sort of no arguing it.

01:33:34.000 Okay, I'll stop.

01:33:34.000 As to what I'm doing, everything to me is about getting What I believe out there, disseminating a message, what I think is true, if it's false, of course I'll correct, which I have many times.

01:33:48.000 It's like I have a monopoly on truth, but I really believe what I say, and I want people to hear it, if they want to.

01:33:53.000 I want them to have the chance to do that.

01:33:54.000 So censorship is the single biggest obstacle, not simply to my job, but to human freedom and flourishing.

01:34:02.000 I really believe that.

01:34:04.000 So everything we do is designed to get around the censors.

01:34:08.000 Watching what's happening to you right now actually affects my sleep, because I think it's the worst thing.

01:34:13.000 It's the beginning of enslavement of our country.

01:34:17.000 So anyway, I've done two things to get around censorship.

01:34:20.000 One is to build a subscription service that is not dependent on advertising.

01:34:24.000 It's TuckerCarlson.com.

01:34:25.000 You subscribe and So our audience pays, not very much, but they pay for what they get.

01:34:31.000 They support our business.

01:34:33.000 So we cannot have the legs kicked out from under us by some advertiser.

01:34:37.000 Toyota can't call up and be like, oh my gosh, you questioned January 6th?

01:34:40.000 We're pulling our ads!

01:34:41.000 And then you have to fire everybody.

01:34:42.000 I've lived in that world for 30 years.

01:34:44.000 I'm never doing that again.

01:34:45.000 So it gives you total independence and they're like missionaries backing you, like families of fun missionaries to go out and then reach hundreds of millions of people.

01:34:53.000 Exactly.

01:34:53.000 That's exactly what it's like, though.

01:34:55.000 I don't, you know, I'm not going to redeem anyone's soul, but I'm going to try to tell the truth my absolute hardest, no matter what.

01:35:01.000 OK, so there's that.

01:35:02.000 Second thing we're doing this fall is taking it on the road in live events.

01:35:07.000 You can't, you know, Google has no control over a stadium speech.

01:35:12.000 You don't, they can't rearrange the search results when you're speaking live on stage to people who paid a ticket to be there.

01:35:18.000 Now, you do have problems with venues that come under enormous pressure.

01:35:23.000 CNN is trying to shut down this tour, which is crazy.

01:35:27.000 When I worked at CNN 20 years ago, 25 years ago, it was a, pretended to be a news organization.

01:35:32.000 They weren't in the business of preventing people from getting information, but now, of course, that's their only mission.

01:35:38.000 But anyway, I don't think it's going to work.

01:35:40.000 And by the way, if every single venue pulls out because CNN demands it, because I questioned the VAX or something, then we'll just do it in a field with loudspeakers.

01:35:50.000 I'm doing it.

01:35:51.000 I love it.

01:35:52.000 I mean it.

01:35:52.000 I mean it, too.

01:35:54.000 If we have to get a tent or stand in the rain and yell, I will do it.

01:35:58.000 And we're doing it from California To the East Coast, from New York to California and everywhere in between the entire month of September, probably some of October.

01:36:06.000 We've got 15 dates, probably doing more.

01:36:08.000 The tickets of all the pre-sales are gone.

01:36:10.000 I think they go on sale tomorrow-ish.

01:36:14.000 But sales are great, so I think we're going to add more.

01:36:16.000 And every city, you know, bring someone, including you.

01:36:21.000 I'm grateful that you're doing it.

01:36:23.000 Um, Russell Brand, you know, every people who you know and take seriously and love in some cases will be coming up and on stage at every event.

01:36:32.000 And I think it's going to be amazing.

01:36:34.000 And last thing I'll say, and I will stop now because I can't stop talking once I get going, is I want to see America like I I'm from here.

01:36:41.000 I grew up here.

01:36:42.000 I was born here.

01:36:43.000 I'm never leaving here.

01:36:43.000 It's the only passport I have.

01:36:45.000 And I think the physical country matters.

01:36:47.000 I don't like all this America is an idea.

01:36:49.000 Really?

01:36:50.000 No.

01:36:51.000 Ideas can be changed in a generation.

01:36:53.000 You know what can't be changed in a generation?

01:36:55.000 The Rocky Mountains, the Great Plains, the forests of northern New England.

01:36:59.000 I want to see the country Oh, the globalists are at war with rural people and the forgotten people and they love you.

01:37:05.000 I love the fact that, because they're desperate to shut this down because this is going to be like a whole other Trump campaign, but with an even, I'm not putting Trump down, an even better speaker.

01:37:14.000 And hey, I'm so blessed to be involved in the dates.

01:37:16.000 Anything you want.

01:37:18.000 Your crew's like, oh, thanks for agreeing to come.

01:37:19.000 I'm like, thanks for agreeing?

01:37:24.000 It's gonna be so fun!

01:37:25.000 It's gonna be so fun and then you get, I mean everyone always talks about America, America, America.

01:37:30.000 Let's go see America.

01:37:31.000 I'm serious.

01:37:32.000 Like let's go to 20 states and see how people are doing.

01:37:34.000 Like what does it look like?

01:37:36.000 You know, that matters to me.

01:37:37.000 Physical reality matters to me.

01:37:39.000 It's why I love nature.

01:37:40.000 It's why I love animals.

01:37:41.000 It's why I love my wife. 0.96

01:37:42.000 These aren't ideas.

01:37:42.000 These are things.

01:37:43.000 These are living things.

01:37:45.000 And I want to see the living thing that is America and the 350 million people who live here.

01:37:49.000 I want to know.

01:37:50.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:37:51.000 I don't like, I'm sick of all the theories.

01:37:53.000 I want to smell the reality.

01:37:56.000 Exactly.

01:37:57.000 Not just smell the coffee, smell the reality.

01:37:59.000 Tucker, thank you for the time.

01:38:00.000 We love you.

01:38:01.000 We appreciate it.

01:38:02.000 Can't wait to see you on the road.

01:38:03.000 We'll be watching you.

01:38:04.000 We're trying to stop World War III. 0.51

01:38:05.000 Thank you so much and God bless you for the time.

01:38:09.000 God bless.

01:38:10.000 Thank you.

01:38:11.000 Good luck, man.

01:38:11.000 Don't hang up, Tucker.

01:38:12.000 After this is over, I want to say bye to you.

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