Alex Jones Show - June 29, 1998


Alex Jones interviews John Hurt TX DOT


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The Texas Department of Transportation has thousands of cameras on the roadways of major cities across the state, and they want to know if they are spying on us. Alex and Wenndy head over to the DOT to find out.

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00:00:00.000 And it is Mr. Hurt, the head public relations person for Central Texas.
00:00:04.000 This is ridiculous.
00:00:05.000 It's about...
00:00:05.000 He's a nice guy, but...
00:00:07.000 Just watch the whole thing, and we'll repeat some of the things he says for you.
00:00:12.000 ...the street from the Texas Department of Transportation.
00:00:16.000 And we're fixing to go over there and talk to Mr. Hurt, their head person in public relations.
00:00:22.000 We suspect that that is a camera pod.
00:00:25.000 I've been telling everybody that those are what they plan to put cameras on because in other cities I've seen poles just like that with a question mark wire, a lightning rod, with cameras.
00:00:35.000 We're fixing to go over and find out right now.
00:00:39.000 Sir, what's your position, Mr. Hurt, here at the Department of Transportation?
00:00:45.000 I'm the Public Affairs Officer.
00:00:46.000 Alex Jones, nice to meet you.
00:00:47.000 Nice to meet you.
00:00:50.000 We're doing a story about Big Brother.
00:00:53.000 And we know that San Antonio and Dallas and Houston are putting up quite a few cameras.
00:00:59.000 Can you tell us exactly what the name of these systems are and where they're integrated, where the video monitors are, and exactly what it's for?
00:01:08.000 Well, they go by different names.
00:01:09.000 San Antonio calls theirs TransGuide, and Houston calls theirs TransStar, and each city has a different name for their own particular setup.
00:01:21.000 It's called an Intelligent Transportation System, or ITS. And it uses a...
00:01:26.000 Smart highways?
00:01:27.000 Smart highways, yeah.
00:01:28.000 It uses an array of changeable message sign boards along with closed-circuit television cameras, sensors that are built into the road, all of which are monitored at a remote location to give traffic management people...
00:01:42.000 A clear picture of what's going on in the city as a whole at any given moment.
00:01:47.000 So it's actually better than helicopters because you can just punch a button and see any area you wish.
00:01:51.000 Right.
00:01:51.000 They actually monitor this at a traffic management center that looks very much like mission control at NASA, where they've got banks of people sitting behind computer terminals, but they also have a large display in the front of the room that's like a schematic map of the city.
00:02:06.000 Mr. Hurt, do you know how many cameras Houston or San Antonio has?
00:02:10.000 No, not just right off hand, on the selected roadways, they're about every eighth of a mile.
00:02:16.000 There are quite a few of them.
00:02:18.000 Hundreds?
00:02:19.000 Yeah, I think San Antonio right now has about probably 200 some odd miles that are under camera.
00:02:27.000 So every eighth of a mile?
00:02:28.000 We're talking about thousands of cameras.
00:02:31.000 I'm not sure in the entire system of every eighth of a mile, but in the locations where they're particularly congested.
00:02:38.000 The mixed masters.
00:02:39.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.
00:02:41.000 When we start out here, we'll have some online, at least a couple by August of this year, down around the upper-lower level split, and we'll just monitor them here at our district office.
00:02:52.000 What we ultimately hope to do is build a traffic management center in a couple of years.
00:02:57.000 Where we'll be there, the police department will be there, fire department, EMS, the capital metro.
00:03:03.000 Just a whole integrated system.
00:03:05.000 Right, we'll all be together.
00:03:06.000 I've seen them putting up polls.
00:03:08.000 You were saying, Mr. Hurt, that right across the street here is a poll that they're planning to put a camera on.
00:03:13.000 Right.
00:03:13.000 What we've got is the polls.
00:03:16.000 183, you can see a lot of them.
00:03:17.000 There's some on Interstate 35. They'll mount the cameras on those, the little question mark-shaped wire that comes out of it.
00:03:24.000 It's a lightning arrestor.
00:03:27.000 It's supposed to be like a lightning rod.
00:03:29.000 I've seen those.
00:03:30.000 I've seen the poles with the cameras on Arnia, and they have a little question mark. 0.99
00:03:33.000 Yeah.
00:03:34.000 We don't have any cameras mounted yet, but those poles are where they'll be. 1.00
00:03:37.000 I've seen a few cameras down by y'all's main office off 35th Street.
00:03:41.000 Right.
00:03:41.000 I mean, off 35th Street.
00:03:43.000 Right.
00:03:43.000 What are those cameras?
00:03:44.000 We've done some testing of different types of cameras to see which ones we like the best.
00:03:48.000 That's a testing area.
00:03:49.000 Right.
00:03:49.000 Now, listen very carefully to the head of the Texas Department of Transportation, public relations person, Mr. Hurt.
00:03:58.000 He was a nice person and pretty honest with us, but he would try to say, oh, well, it's for safety, it's for EMS, it's for this, it's for that.
00:04:06.000 And then later, off-camera, he says, well, yes, we plan to give tickets with these cameras.
00:04:11.000 That is a federal plan.
00:04:12.000 It's done in California.
00:04:14.000 Then we turn the cameras back on, and he admits it, but not like he did off-camera.
00:04:20.000 But we'll get to some other clips.
00:04:22.000 He tries to act like it's all for safety and all this other BS. That'd be fine if the government could be trusted.
00:04:28.000 This is about tracking and controlling.
00:04:30.000 It is about control of populations.
00:04:35.000 Everything is done with the best of intentions, and most of the people pushing at the low levels, like Mr. Hurt, think they're doing that.
00:04:41.000 But we need to think about our liberties.
00:04:43.000 Can this government be trusted?
00:04:45.000 Can the IRS be trusted with these tools?
00:04:47.000 Can they be trusted with national ID cards, thumb scanning?
00:04:51.000 It just goes on and on.
00:04:53.000 Now, the important point for everybody to note here is the contradiction.
00:04:58.000 Mr. Hurt says that they're not planning to watch people drive around town, that this is all for EMS, all for fire, all for police.
00:05:07.000 Just like with Starflight here locally, for surveillance, they got you to pass the Travis County bond package under the guise of Starflight, but then the sheriff, on tape, And many others admit that they're going to be using these two new helicopters for surveillance.
00:05:22.000 Now, he says that they're not going to use it for that, and then later contradicts himself.
00:05:26.000 It's called doublespeak.
00:05:28.000 What are those cameras?
00:05:29.000 We've done some testing of different types of cameras to see which ones we like the best.
00:05:33.000 That's a testing area.
00:05:34.000 Right.
00:05:34.000 But what it's not going to be is a situation where somebody's going to be sitting there watching you drive around town.
00:05:39.000 It's basically to monitor traffic as a whole.
00:05:42.000 Wreck, fire.
00:05:43.000 Right.
00:05:45.000 It's not going to monitor speed as far as...
00:05:48.000 What about fugitives?
00:05:49.000 I mean, that might help in some of those cases.
00:05:51.000 Well, I suppose you could use it for that, but that's not its intended purpose.
00:05:54.000 It's a traffic management tool.
00:05:55.000 Now, you were saying, Mr. Hurt, that this is mainly just for emergencies and clearing up traffic and directing people around traffic, which sounds great.
00:06:06.000 But I would say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
00:06:09.000 I think we need cameras, but the problem is I don't trust our federal government.
00:06:13.000 And I think any systems we put in, they can easily step in and take control of whatever they wish.
00:06:18.000 Take California, for instance, and some other states, where they take snapshots with snapshot cameras, snapshot video cameras, and then mail you a ticket.
00:06:28.000 Now, certainly you could say, well, you were breaking the law, but I really don't just like the whole climate that I see growing around the country.
00:06:35.000 What would you say to that?
00:06:36.000 Well, this is not a law enforcement tool.
00:06:38.000 It's not something I think that law enforcement would be...
00:06:42.000 Disappointed if they actually and they will be part of the but I mean if they if they look at the camera and see the picture it's not like they're going to see your face it's really more of a a broad view of an entire stretch of a highway.
00:06:52.000 Some of these cameras in San Antonio and Houston do have zoom capability though don't they?
00:06:55.000 Right and we will have some zoom capability.
00:06:57.000 We pan, tilt, all of that you know to be able to get an entire look at a problem area.
00:07:04.000 But as far as being used to give you a ticket, that's not the purpose, and I don't see that being the purpose.
00:07:10.000 It's a traffic management tool, and it's all part of an entire complex where we've already got sensors put in the road in parts of Interstate 35. What it does, it tells how fast the traffic is moving.
00:07:21.000 That's the little black rubber bands that go across the street?
00:07:24.000 No, those are counters.
00:07:25.000 What you see, it's like a loop.
00:07:26.000 It's like it's been cut into the concrete down around 51st Street or in front of the airport.
00:07:31.000 You'll see like a square.
00:07:33.000 It's been cut into the country.
00:07:34.000 So the black bans are counters. 0.99
00:07:36.000 Those are traffic counters, right.
00:07:37.000 Well, that's all very understandable and very reasonable and needed to, I'm sure, in the modern age, control roads, find out where you need more roads, all that.
00:07:46.000 The point I keep making is that I know the federal government gives Texas and most of the states a lot of highway funds.
00:07:54.000 A lot of it, yeah.
00:07:55.000 And sends along recommendations and advisors and ideas that they want implemented.
00:08:00.000 And I just see the trend.
00:08:03.000 That's going on nationally of federal control.
00:08:06.000 Just to give you an example, just a month ago, I went to San Antonio with Chief Ali Philippus, who threw out the Delta Force for attempting to bribe him.
00:08:13.000 And if you think I'm kidding you, you can call down there and ask them.
00:08:16.000 The Delta Force is going to train here, and our little TV show and my radio show were able to stop them from training here.
00:08:22.000 And I know that's not your purview and your area.
00:08:25.000 I just want to communicate to y'all that that is our fear.
00:08:28.000 We'll put in these systems that are there to help the public, that are there to ensure safety.
00:08:32.000 And that law enforcement will become more and more under federal control.
00:08:35.000 You say that law enforcement, though, will be stationed at the main center that y'all plan to construct?
00:08:40.000 Well, there'll be a representative of the police department, maybe several, and the object there is to be able to identify and dispatch, identify the type of problem they may have and dispatch, even before somebody dials 911. They'll be able to say, we've had an accident there.
00:08:55.000 What about EMS? EMS will be there.
00:08:57.000 The fire department will be there.
00:08:59.000 Capital Metro will be there.
00:09:01.000 It's going to be a joint center where all of us are there that are involved in traffic management.
00:09:06.000 Here's my example.
00:09:08.000 They're building a $2,031,000 helicopter hangar, three acres under the roof, according to the commissioner's board, the documents that I've gotten from them.
00:09:16.000 And they called it Starflight.
00:09:18.000 This is just a microcosm of the problem I'm talking about.
00:09:20.000 They called it Starflight, but the two new helicopters are going to be used by the sheriff's department for surveillance.
00:09:27.000 We have Margo Frazier, the sheriff.
00:09:29.000 On tape, and you'll see that tonight again, saying that, yes, they're going to be for surveillance, but then it says nowhere in the document people voted for the bond package.
00:09:38.000 And I know that this is local, whereas your state...
00:09:44.000 Just the point I'm making is that the road to hell is paved with good intentions over and over.
00:09:48.000 They'll tell us it's for this, and then we'll say, great, we're for it.
00:09:52.000 You think it's reasonable, because that's what you believe.
00:09:54.000 Then they put in somebody else.
00:09:56.000 And they go along with what it was really set up for.
00:09:59.000 That's my only point.
00:10:01.000 Well, again, this is going to be a state, city, capital metro type of operation.
00:10:06.000 I don't see the federal government having any type of authority to take over the center and use it for something different.
00:10:13.000 The Texas Department of Transportation is not a law enforcement agency.
00:10:17.000 We have no authority to enforce the law.
00:10:20.000 And that's not our interest.
00:10:21.000 Our interest is in making sure that the transportation system in Austin and in the state of Texas is safe and efficient and effective.
00:10:29.000 With Interstate 35 being a major NAFTA corridor, we're going to see more and more traffic on this road, and it's, for better or worse, it's Austin's main street.
00:10:38.000 And anything we can do to facilitate the flow of traffic, that's what we're trying to do.
00:10:43.000 And we're at an age now where we're able to use quite a bit of high technology.
00:10:48.000 And give the motorist a good deal of information that he or she may not have had in the past before they get into a situation where they're just stuck in traffic.
00:10:57.000 Well, it sounds very reasonable to me.
00:11:00.000 Just three years ago, I wasn't the way I am now.
00:11:03.000 But when you read the statesman and they tell you what a good idea it is, in the May 10th metro and state, it's not a matter of when a chemical or biological attack is happening or not.
00:11:14.000 The statesman's exact quote was, in the May 10th metro and state was, It's not a question of will it happen, but when it happens.
00:11:20.000 Then you find out that secret military teams have been dispersed all over the country.
00:11:24.000 And again, I had the police chief of San Antonio saying this.
00:11:26.000 I have articles from around the country.
00:11:28.000 They crashed a helicopter in Houston.
00:11:30.000 The media totally covered it up.
00:11:32.000 And you have this whole move going on.
00:11:35.000 And the statesman also wrote that in Chicago and other cities, the Marines and Delta are practicing taking over police stations, water facilities, the communication systems.
00:11:47.000 Now, people can say, well, that's in case terrorists take it over, but I just want you all to know, and this is in the media, but they're telling us how wonderful it is, that secret military teams are practicing taking over communication, transportation, water, energy, and police departments, mainly.
00:12:05.000 And again, I don't want to, you know, get off into some conspiracies.
00:12:09.000 This is a conspiracy.
00:12:10.000 There's a lot of stuff that people aren't paying attention to, and I just see Germany as the leader of cameras.
00:12:17.000 And I see Britain as the leader of cameras.
00:12:19.000 And Germany, just two months ago, passed the law, unanimously almost, to where they can actually bug homes and actually put cameras in homes.
00:12:27.000 But politicians and psychiatrists and lobbyists are exempt.
00:12:33.000 And that's in Germany, in good old Deutschland.
00:12:36.000 And we know they're the home of Big Brother.
00:12:39.000 Well, we're not into that.
00:12:41.000 We're not into getting into your house or getting and listening or seeing anything that goes on into your house.
00:12:46.000 At least not in 1998. Not at this point.
00:12:49.000 2005. Our dealing with the federal government has always been basically through the Federal Highway Administration, and our interest has always been design, capacity, safety.
00:12:58.000 Was it $260-something billion just got passed?
00:13:01.000 Yeah.
00:13:02.000 Oh, you're talking about the highway bill?
00:13:03.000 Yeah.
00:13:03.000 Big one, huh?
00:13:04.000 Yeah, that's going to mean some additional money for Texas.
00:13:06.000 Well, I'll tell you, I like big roads.
00:13:07.000 I'm a car enthusiast, so I love it.
00:13:11.000 Yeah, well, that was good news for us because we ought to get probably somewhere in the neighborhood of an additional $713 million a year in this state, which we've been giving away more money than we've been getting back.
00:13:24.000 I would think Texas being the most second-populous state, I think we should get more than $700 million?
00:13:30.000 $713 million, probably.
00:13:32.000 $713 million?
00:13:32.000 Overall, it'll be about $2 billion over the course of the bill.
00:13:36.000 But that's what it is every year.
00:13:38.000 Oh, every year.
00:13:39.000 So it's a good deal for us.
00:13:41.000 Is the bill for four years?
00:13:42.000 Six years.
00:13:43.000 Six years.
00:13:43.000 Oh, now I see.
00:13:44.000 We're visiting with Mr. Hurt.
00:13:46.000 He is the head public information officer in Central Texas or for all of Texas?
00:13:51.000 For the Austin District.
00:13:52.000 Austin District.
00:13:53.000 Central Texas, uh-huh.
00:13:55.000 Now, you said earlier that the cameras are mainly going to be at the main intersections and mixed masters and areas where congestion generally tends to be or where wrecks happen more often.
00:14:06.000 How many cameras do you think Austin will get over the next six years?
00:14:09.000 Well, I think over the period of six years, it will probably number into close to 100 or so.
00:14:15.000 We'll put 183, the new additions to 183 were built with this in mind.
00:14:19.000 That's where you'll see it first.
00:14:20.000 We've got the pull boxes where we can pull the cables already in place and we don't have to retrofit the road.
00:14:26.000 So you'll see that.
00:14:27.000 You'll see some of 183 as time goes on.
00:14:30.000 You'll see additional roadways like Ben White, possibly 71. And as the freeway facilities are expanded east of the interstate towards the airport, I'm sure you'll see it on there as well.
00:14:40.000 You talked about the over $700 million and the $2 billion numbers that Texas will be getting over the next six years as part of this new transportation bill.
00:14:50.000 Is any of that money going for cameras?
00:14:52.000 Well, no, not at this point.
00:14:53.000 The money that was just passed by the transportation bill doesn't have any place to go right now.
00:14:58.000 I mean, it's not designated for anything.
00:15:00.000 That will be up to the Transportation Commission.
00:15:03.000 As they fund long-term projects to decide where that money is going to be spent.
00:15:07.000 Does the federal government encourage cameras?
00:15:09.000 Well, you mean like for traffic management?
00:15:12.000 Yeah, I would think that all of us do as far as traffic management goes because it's the quickest way to determine what's going on in a roadway.
00:15:19.000 You don't have to wait for a police car, an ambulance to get there, or a fire truck.
00:15:22.000 So in the length of time it takes to punch up a button, you know what's happening on the roadway.
00:15:27.000 That way you can give your people the correct information.
00:15:30.000 Right.
00:15:31.000 But did that...
00:15:32.000 Is the $700 million and the $2 billion over the next six years, is that going to help y'all free up other funds to build y'all's new command center, or what would you call it?
00:15:41.000 Well, the traffic management center is going to be paid for jointly through the city, the county, the state, all of us that are participating in it.
00:15:48.000 The money from the transportation bill, we hope, will go more towards constructing and maintaining the infrastructure.
00:15:55.000 And that includes everything from multimodal Projects like bicycle trails, HOV lanes, as well as highway construction itself.
00:16:06.000 It's going to have its fingers in a lot of pies before it's all over.
00:16:09.000 Basically, if you see a tower or structure with a question mark wire, which I've seen many of, that is the site of a future camera.
00:16:21.000 That's correct.
00:16:22.000 That's where we're going to be putting a monitoring camera.
00:16:26.000 183 is where you see most of them right now.
00:16:29.000 And every eighth of a mile in the key areas?
00:16:32.000 Well, that's what they've typically been like in Houston and San Antonio.
00:16:36.000 I think ultimately we'll probably get to somewhere like that in this district, but not right off the bat.
00:16:41.000 But again, Texas has no plans in the future to, like California, put cameras in to ticket people.
00:16:47.000 No, not at this point.
00:16:49.000 What happens down the road, that's a law enforcement issue.
00:16:52.000 But as far as the Department of Transportation goes, that is not our plan or our function.
00:16:57.000 How do you all work with the DPS? Well, we work very closely with the DPS because it is the state law enforcement agency as far as patrolling the highways.
00:17:05.000 Once you get outside the city limits, if you have an accident or traffic control or traffic tickets or whatever, that's the responsibility of the Department of Public Safety.
00:17:13.000 How do you all work with the DPS? Well, we work very closely with the DPS because it is the state law enforcement agency as far as patrolling the highways.
00:17:21.000 Once you get outside the city limits, if you have an accident or traffic control or traffic tickets or whatever, that's the responsibility of the Department of Public Safety.
00:17:30.000 It's an extremely professional organization.
00:17:32.000 We work very closely with them, and they have been of immeasurable help to us on a number of occasions.
00:17:38.000 Thanks a lot for your help, sir.
00:17:39.000 Okay, appreciate it.
00:17:40.000 Enjoyed it.
00:17:40.000 Thanks for all the time.
00:17:41.000 You bet.
00:17:41.000 See, he makes it sound so good.
00:17:43.000 I don't know.
00:17:45.000 You should have heard what he just said.
00:17:46.000 He said, frankly, the tickets are coming on the pole.
00:17:49.000 His opinion.
00:17:51.000 What I was saying was there have been some projects where they've actually tested.
00:17:57.000 Nobody's ever gotten a ticket from it.
00:17:59.000 They've just tested it to see if it works.
00:18:00.000 Here in Texas?
00:18:01.000 Yes, in Texas.
00:18:02.000 Here in Austin, at railroad crossing.
00:18:04.000 I mean, they're actually giving tickets out for, what, five, six years in California?
00:18:06.000 Yeah, but we haven't done any of that, and it's purely...
00:18:10.000 It's something that a law enforcement agency would have to do.
00:18:13.000 And it's something that right now, I don't know if it's going to come to fruition, whether there's any interest in it.
00:18:19.000 It's just one of those things...
00:18:20.000 You said it's probably coming as your opinion.
00:18:22.000 No, I think that as far as that goes, it's here because we've already tested, like at railroad crossings.
00:18:29.000 But if we can use a device like that to keep people from running around crossing arms at a...
00:18:33.000 At a railroad crossing and save the life of some kid that's in a car seat that doesn't have any choice about that.
00:18:38.000 I understand.
00:18:38.000 I'm all for it.
00:18:39.000 Save the kids and the children.
00:18:40.000 Save the children, like Clinton and Buddy the dog.
00:18:43.000 No, seriously.
00:18:44.000 Now see, yeah, now, they're already in Kansas and other states.
00:18:48.000 You go through and the toll is almost nothing if you have the transponder in your car.
00:18:52.000 Right.
00:18:53.000 K-Tag and all the rest of this garbage. 1.00
00:18:55.000 And the problem is, the lady at the toll booth was like, I love K-Tag.
00:19:00.000 I'm like, yeah, you'll love it when everybody has it, and your job's gone, lady. 0.83
00:19:03.000 And at the same point, we see more and more of these smart highways and pole systems.
00:19:08.000 And it seems to me like in the future, well, it's not just the future, the April 27th issue of Time, the future of money.
00:19:15.000 You can probably find one in there.
00:19:17.000 Read on page 44. It talks about the best part.
00:19:21.000 Quote, the best part is the chip.
00:19:23.000 Under your daughter's skin in the near future, you won't have to buy the drinks for her at the bar. 0.71
00:19:28.000 And that's on page 44. That's the type of mental illness that's in our mainstream media.
00:19:32.000 And I challenge you to go read that and then they talk about tollways and transponders and one card for everything and chips under the skin and how wonderful it is and the best part for your daughter is.
00:19:43.000 Blah, blah, blah.
00:19:44.000 Of course, it's always for the children.
00:19:45.000 And you sit there and you read that and then you realize, wait a minute, if the IRS doesn't like me now and they're a bunch of criminals, that's been proven, Well,
00:20:12.000 that would take a great deal of technology that hadn't been invented yet to turn your car off.
00:20:18.000 All the technology does now is it uses What in effect is a high-tech metal detector to read the speed of the car as it goes over.
00:20:28.000 Well, now that's the KTAC. I'm talking about the sensor and the road that measures the speed.
00:20:31.000 Well, it's all these integrated systems.
00:20:33.000 And, you know, technology's doubling every four and a half years now at this current rate.
00:20:37.000 And the point I'm making is, is they do have systems, and it's been on Discovery Channel, microwaves that are harmful to people, other things.
00:20:45.000 If they aim at your car for an instant, the engine will instantly stop.
00:20:49.000 And they're already making new cars that have more and more transponders and things inside of them.
00:20:57.000 I mean, again, this is not a conspiracy.
00:20:58.000 If you go and read that sickening article in Time Magazine, The Future of Money, it is a six-page propaganda article, so we'll accept a technocracy.
00:21:07.000 That's all I'm saying.
00:21:08.000 I understand.
00:21:09.000 Well, we've preached at you.
00:21:10.000 I appreciate it.
00:21:10.000 Okay, no problem.
00:21:12.000 Thanks.
00:21:12.000 We're a bunch of conspiracy theory maniacs.
00:21:14.000 No problem at all.
00:21:15.000 Mr. Hurt was honest.
00:21:18.000 In the respect that, hey, I'm here with the Texas Department of Transportation.
00:21:24.000 Transportation is our job.
00:21:25.000 Yes, we work with law enforcement.
00:21:27.000 What they do is what they do with this system.
00:21:30.000 And yes, they are practicing and training and doing tests here in Texas to give tickets with cameras, and it's being done in other states.
00:21:40.000 But earlier in the interview, he was giving us the Department of Transportation here in Texas party line.
00:21:47.000 And then later off-camera began to actually speak personally.
00:21:50.000 And then, of course, here on Exposing Corruption and the Freedom Report, we went ahead and prodded him some more and got some of the information.
00:22:00.000 And you heard it from him himself.
00:22:02.000 We're going to have cameras that need to be for emergencies and for roadway construction and to reroute traffic.
00:22:08.000 They do not need to be for a technocracy.
00:22:11.000 This is growing up all around us on every single front.
00:22:16.000 So again, thanks to Mr. Hurt from the Texas Department of Transportation for being more honest than most bureaucrats.
00:22:23.000 I think the guy may actually have a soul.
00:22:25.000 Usually bureaucrats just sit around and lie. 1.00
00:22:29.000 But again, this is the choice you have.
00:22:31.000 If we're going to have these cameras, we need strict laws against it being used to give people tickets or as a police state.
00:22:39.000 You should have heard what he just said.
00:22:41.000 He said, frankly, the tickets are coming on the polls.
00:22:44.000 His opinion, what I was saying was there have been some projects where they've actually tested.
00:22:53.000 Nobody's ever gotten a ticket from it.
00:22:54.000 They've just tested it to see if it works.
00:22:56.000 Here in Texas?
00:22:56.000 Yes, in Texas.
00:22:57.000 Here in Austin, at railroad crossings.
00:22:59.000 I mean, they're actually giving tickets out for, what, five, six years in California?
00:23:01.000 Yeah, but we haven't done any of that, and it's purely something that a law enforcement agency would have to do.
00:23:08.000 And it's something that right now, I don't know if it's going to come to fruition, whether there's any interest in it.
00:23:14.000 It's just one of those things...
00:23:15.000 You said it's probably coming, is your opinion?
00:23:17.000 No, I think that as far as that goes, it's here because we've already tested, like at railroad crossings.
00:23:24.000 But if we can use a device like that to keep people from running around crossing arms at a railroad crossing and save the lives of some kid that's in a car so he doesn't have any choice about that.
00:23:32.000 I understand.
00:23:33.000 I'm all for that.
00:23:34.000 Save the kids and the children.
00:23:35.000 Save the lives of some kid that's in a car.
00:23:41.000 Save the kids and the children.
00:23:42.000 Well, I kind of belabored it there, but I just want to make the point.
00:23:50.000 And as soon as we turn the camera on, if he starts going, well, well, they're going to give tickets, uh, and then we turn the camera back on.
00:23:54.000 Well, I did say kind of, maybe.
00:23:56.000 That's the way it always is.
00:23:57.000 He does have a job to protect, so to speak.
00:23:59.000 What was your point about that?
00:24:00.000 I mean, it does for me to call someone of his stature.
00:24:05.000 One of the points I wanted to make was, I've seen one of the tests that he's talking about, and I don't know if it works off a radar gun system or whatever, but near Lake Travis right now, there's a certain road, I can't remember the name of it.
00:24:18.000 Capital Texas Highway.
00:24:19.000 No, actually, I think it's when you go down...
00:24:20.000 Well, I put them on Capital Texas Highway.
00:24:21.000 Okay, but it's a big sign.
00:24:24.000 The trailer.
00:24:24.000 Yeah, it tells you how fast you're going, and I think that's the idea, testing it.
00:24:29.000 And also, too, just to get people to slow down when they see how fast they're going.
00:24:32.000 But I'm sure that's part of the test that he was talking about.
00:24:34.000 So I've seen this.
00:24:35.000 What are we going to do to stop this?
00:24:38.000 I think it takes, number one, just spreading the information, letting people know that, you know, I say this again and again on all kinds of shows, you don't have to buy into conspiracy one little bit to not see how damaging many of these things can be.
00:24:50.000 All it takes is a little bit of common sense and not much extrapolation to understand that this is something that can easily be abused and misused to the detriment of Americans everywhere.
00:25:01.000 It's just like putting uniformed officers in high schools like I talked about earlier.
00:25:08.000 You don't have to believe that that's part of some UN conspiracy or Illuminati or global elitist.
00:25:13.000 All you have to understand is use some common sense.
00:25:16.000 If kids get used to having cops around everywhere they go, they come to your house if you're absent from school, they're in your school.
00:25:22.000 If you go to school, they're going to grow up and be adults.
00:25:24.000 They're going to get used to seeing cops everywhere.
00:25:26.000 So when sheriffs stand up or DPS guys and say, hey, we need a cop in every house or some ridiculous thing like that, they're just going to buy right into it.
00:25:33.000 They'll be used to it.
00:25:35.000 Incrementally, they're getting used to having things like this around, whether it's done on purpose or not, whether you believe in the motives of it or not, it doesn't matter.