Margaret Fraser, the Sheriff of Travis County, Texas, admits that they are building a $2.031 million helicopter base under the guise of STARVING. She also talks about her visit to Waco five years after the events of April 19th, 1995.
00:00:48.000And we spoke to people like Ramsey Clark, who was Attorney General.
00:00:52.000During the LBJ administration and worked in the Kennedy administration and the Carter administration, he's going to tell you that there's a growing police state, that the Trilateral Commission and the CFR are under the control of international crime rings.
00:01:05.000You're going to have an attorney general.
00:01:07.000What I would give for an attorney general like Ramsey Clark today and not Herman, Gurring and drag Janet Reno.
00:01:13.000Sir, what do you think about the IRS? Church area where the families were burned to death.
00:01:20.000And I saw one of the FBI hostage negotiators, one of the slimeballs, over there talking about how Koresh had live hand grenades.
00:02:18.000I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I'm sick of it.
00:02:21.000You sit over here and you talk about how the children huddle in the corner and how the ammunition that they had is what killed them, all the rest of your garbage.
00:03:49.000We talked to Clive Doyle, and he did not invite this gentleman there.
00:03:54.000Clive Doyle is one of the surviving Branch Davidians.
00:03:57.000And then lie number two is the fact that this FBI negotiator, who was there during the 51 days, sits up there and says sarcastically that, oh, Clive Doyle was the expert.
00:04:08.000You couldn't fit 500,000 rounds of ammunition in a small room above the storage area.
00:04:15.000This guy just sits up there and acts like Mr. Loving and Mr. Caring to the media, and it makes him want to vomit.
00:04:21.000A real FBI agent is somebody like Frederick Whitehurst, ex-head of the FBI Crime Lab, that left because of all types of corruption.
00:04:28.000And then we sat there and asked this bozo, I shouldn't be like that, I'm sorry, if he was so much for the Branch Davidians, how about some indictments for Bob Ricks and others that ran the siege?
00:05:11.000Again, the producer of Waco Rules of Engagement, Mike McNulty.
00:05:15.000And he's got a new documentary coming out.
00:05:18.000He wouldn't say it on tape, but he and others would say it off air.
00:05:22.000They have evidence, rock-hard evidence, that British special forces were used because half the people in the Branch Davidian Church were British.
00:05:31.000And that's kind of how international systems work.
00:05:33.000If you're going to kill somebody from another country, you use their people.
00:05:36.000That's classic, if you know about CIA operations, to come in with breathing apparatus.
00:05:41.000To go inside and machine gun the people from the inside and the outside.
00:05:45.000We have footage of them killing people on the outside.
00:05:48.000It was just a matter of time for something like this came out.
00:05:50.000You know, I spoke to this gentleman after you had walked away, and he was a little bit more open with me than with you.
00:05:56.000I think he didn't know that we were together, and he had mentioned a great many things.
00:06:00.000One of the things that was pretty disturbing to me is he claimed, first of all, this gentleman was a hostage negotiator for the FBI. He claims to no longer work for the FBI, but I will tell you this.
00:06:10.000As a hostage negotiator, he also claimed that 19 days after the church burned to the ground, they were allowed in, and he was part of the recovery team, recovering bodies.
00:06:22.000In fact, he claimed to cut apart the hand of a mother.
00:06:26.000And her child, she was holding her child's hand, and their hands had melted together.
00:06:30.000He claimed that the temperature in that room was approximately 3,000 degrees because they found melted aluminum, which I don't know if that's an accurate temperature figure, and that the people either died from suffocating on CS gas, either suffocate or suffocation from smoke inhalation, or that they did not burn to death, but rather baked to death.
00:06:57.000Beyond recognition, they were, in fact, quite intact.
00:07:00.000They actually baked alive, if you can possibly imagine that.
00:07:03.000Well, the reason I blew up at him, and we don't have that on tape, because we didn't know, we come walking up and we were listening.
00:07:09.000And he was up there, yes, the FBI, blah, blah, made some mistakes, but Koresh had live hand grenades.
00:07:15.000Yeah, he said they found an unexploded hand grenade.
00:07:17.000After just saying that the temperatures in there were 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, then he goes and claims that there was an unexploded hand grenade found in there.
00:07:26.000And as far as the half million shell casings goes, again, Alex had left at this point, there were shell casings still all over the place.
00:07:34.000And I'm sitting here thinking, if this gentleman in fact took such an accurate count, why were there still shell casings littered about five years later?
00:07:44.000The sole of a shoe, a boot, still there, with the imprint of someone's foot, the ball of someone's foot, where it had melted.
00:07:57.000And he also, and this is one of the most damning things that I heard him say.
00:08:01.000Out of all the FBI agents that were out there collecting evidence, they were sifting through the dirt with screens, and they would collect evidence, and the dirt, the...
00:08:09.000Items that they considered to not be evidence.
00:08:12.000They were tossing in what they called trash piles.
00:08:15.000He said later on, one of the medical examiners was dumping his trash into the trash pile and found the spine.
00:08:22.000And the pelvic cage of a child that had been discarded in the trash pile and that whoever it was that sifted it didn't realize that those were the bones of a human being, one of the children that died in the attack on Waco.
00:08:35.000It's absolutely disgusting, the total lack of respect they have for human life.
00:09:26.000They're doing a really, really, really great job.
00:09:29.000Alex, worse than that, when I got home last night and I turned on the television, one of the mainstream television news magazines Were they playing anything about Oklahoma City?
00:09:42.000Were they playing anything about Waco?
00:10:16.000I met children that survived from there, old women that survived from Waco.
00:10:22.000I looked at headstones that memorialize dead...
00:10:25.000Children, dead babies, dead unborn babies, and I come home to my television set, mainstream so-called professional news people, and they're worried about some goddamn moose in a stupid frozen lake.
00:10:37.000This is way more important than babies dying, women dying, children dying, men dying, your government attacking its citizens.
00:11:23.000And so what it comes down to is, yes, they're planning to put in thumb scanners, electronic scanning to buy and sell.
00:11:30.000That'll be coming very, very soon for you in the future, for your best interest, of course.
00:11:34.000But I think that the Elite should have to do it first.
00:11:39.000I think everybody in the establishment who's criminal, I don't mean somebody that owns a business or who people think is rich, I don't mean people that raise your taxes and ship drugs into your country, they should have to have a big brand burned on their head that says murderer.
00:14:46.000About 20 pages into it, it starts talking about the history in Europe that the poor people weren't allowed.
00:14:51.000And I already knew this, but it was just good to read it again.
00:14:52.000But I still can't escape elitism, even in a history of dogs.
00:14:56.000And it talked about how dogs, only the rich could have dogs.
00:15:01.000The poor people couldn't hunt or couldn't even go on the king's land, which was 90% of the whole country.
00:15:08.000Couldn't take some venison or some rabbits if they were dying.
00:15:12.000And if they were allowed to have a dog, it was only to service the king's sheep.
00:15:16.000You know, as a sheepdog, they would cut off three digits off the dog's left paw so it would hobble so it couldn't bring down game.
00:15:25.000And it talked about how people weren't allowed to use property and how they could be executed for killing a rabbit even if their family was starving.
00:16:58.000I accepted an invitation to be our featured speaker at our Downsized Government Conference this month.
00:17:04.000We kind of wanted to give our audience a chance to hear what the role of SWAT is.
00:17:08.000I was surprised to learn that their main role is serving felony warrants, which was news to me.
00:17:14.000I think there's a lot of people that have a lot of questions about how...
00:17:19.000People reporting that some of the local law enforcement agencies are doing some training with federal government people, military, that sort of thing.
00:17:29.000And we wanted a chance to let him hear his side of the story.
00:17:32.000We've only heard one side of the story.
00:17:34.000So I'd kind of like to see maybe you come down there and speak for a little bit.
00:18:07.000I don't know that there is any controversy about us using Starflight.
00:18:10.000We wanted to start a helicopter patrol program, especially to use for rescues out on the lake, and to be able to use in other high-risk situations.
00:18:21.000But having the use of a helicopter, it would lessen the risk to both the public and to the officers.
00:18:29.000We have different ways to do that, and one of the cheapest ways to do it was to use helicopters that were already being paid for by the county.
00:18:35.000And so we made a proposal to use Starflight during the hours that it was not being flown for medical emergencies.
00:18:41.000Medical emergencies is still the first priority of Starflight.
00:18:45.000And so we have a schedule in which we use it.
00:18:48.000We use the same mechanics, the same pilots, and have a sheriff's office personnel on board.
00:18:54.000And by doing that, we're able to operate the program basically at the cost of the fuel What about the...
00:19:00.000I've heard something, and again, I'm still educating myself, so bear with me here.
00:19:03.000It seems like I recall seeing something about somebody's introduced a plan to build a hangar to house StarFlight and some...
00:19:13.000Possible purchase of some Sheriff's Department helicopters or something to that effect.
00:19:26.000And they have been told that they're not welcome at the new airport because of the difficulty of helicopters and airplanes living together.
00:20:00.000But whether or not we should put Starflight and the Sheriff's substation and even perhaps a warehouse together.
00:20:06.000And so that's the talk about it being together.
00:20:11.000What about, have you heard anything, do they plan to change anything at all having to do with the helicopter itself?
00:20:17.000Will they change any of the equipment, any of the setup of the helicopter, or have you heard anything about that at all?
00:20:21.000Well, there are two county helicopters that are supposed to be coming in because the ones that we present I see.
00:20:51.000The helicopters that were purchased, were they used to helicopters or new?
00:20:54.000My understanding is that these are new helicopters and they're being purchased through EMS and we quite frankly have had nothing to do with what type they are.
00:21:03.000Since their main purpose is medical, they're dictating what the helicopters look like.
00:21:16.000And we have some very experienced pilots with those aircrafts that are part of the Star Flight Program who tell me they can put it down anywhere.
00:21:24.000And so I think I'll leave the flying to them.
00:21:26.000He'd probably do too many aerobatics anyway.
00:21:28.000He was telling me about some aerobatics training he did.
00:21:30.000I'm a pilot, too, and we chatted a lot.
00:22:01.000I'm not only responsible for law enforcement in the unincorporated areas, the serving of felony warrants all over Travis County.
00:22:07.000I have mental health deputies that go all over the county.
00:22:10.000But I also run a 2,500 bed jail facility.
00:22:13.000And so So this next year, we're in the process of finishing our new booking facility, and we'll be opening that.
00:22:19.000And then we start on a new psychiatric and medical facility out at Del Valle.
00:22:23.000So we always have something going on, and we're also trying to do some decentralization to take the officers out to the public.
00:22:30.000So the public, instead of always sitting in downtown Austin, waiting for the public to come to us, for us to go to them.
00:22:37.000Real quick, have you heard of the Travis County ASAP program, and would you be willing to say, Well, the ASAP program is a program that's run by the constables out of the commissioner's court.
00:22:49.000You know, I think that the basic idea of getting kids to go to school is a good program.
00:22:56.000I was supportive of looking at the ideas of, you know, does it make good economic sense to have somebody go out there the very first time?
00:23:08.000And, of course, you notice that it's all for emergencies.
00:23:13.000The key thing that she kept saying is, well, we get the helicopters, and we control them, and we're going to put infrared on them, heat sensors on them, and all the rest of this stuff, but we don't decide who buys them.
00:23:24.000See, they put them on the bond package as Starflight, EMS, Emergency Rescue.
00:24:59.000We're standing here at the main post office, and I've invited Shannon to perhaps come down to speak at the Downsized Government Conference.
00:25:06.000Why don't you tell people what you're doing out here tonight?
00:25:07.000Well, I'm just trying to get a little feedback.
00:25:09.000I mean, there's a lot of people that protest this.
00:26:01.000And I, more than anyone else, I'm more interested in the sovereignty individual of America and how I can become that way and the homework and what I need to do.
00:27:07.000Before your influence, buddy, he was a bleeding heart, tree-hugging liberal, and now look at him.
00:27:12.000Well, now he knows that the people that are cutting down the trees are the ones conning and controlling these wind-up toy environmentalist organizations.
00:29:58.000We're trying to hold back from doing that because we really want to inconvenience our account holders.
00:30:04.000Depending upon, like I said, depending upon a lot of things, how security goes, how the procedure is going, then they will decide whether or not they want to move towards the medical account holders, either as I'm planning.
00:30:20.000I wanted to make a little comment here.
00:30:21.000Mike asked me to ask people, for those of you who wanted something to do, this is one small step you can make.
00:30:27.000We could start a grassroots effort here.
00:30:29.000Mike is making a call tonight to have every individual.
00:30:32.000Who's against having their thumbprint taken at the bank, their thumb scanned at the bank, fingerprints, blood, whatever it is they want next week, to stand up and say, if you're going to do this, I'm not going to use your bank.
00:30:42.000I'm not going to bring my business here.
00:30:44.000And if enough people cry out against this...
00:30:47.000They will stop this thumb scanning and thumb printing at banks.
00:30:50.000I mean, ultimately, it is money that drives these banks.
00:31:00.000A grassroots effort like this could be very successful.
00:31:02.000You can stand up against the new world order in your own little way, in your own little hometown, and say, I refuse to do this, or I won't do business with you if you make me do this.
00:31:11.000Well, that's a great resistance, but first...
00:31:14.000If people started standing up against that, they'd send in some agent provocateur screaming, I hate thumb scanning, and he'd blow up a building with a thousand people in it.
00:31:22.000And then everyone would say thumb scanning is wonderful.
00:32:27.000Because there'll be plenty of football games and plenty of bread and circus for you to enjoy until they institute the economic crash to consolidate the wealth because these are despots.
00:32:36.000These are criminal individuals that are running this country and that are running this world.
00:32:39.000They don't have to do what they're doing, but they're going to do it because they make their money out of control of civilizations, not out of production and real creation and ingenuity.
00:34:10.000I appreciate the work you've been doing and the work everybody's been doing.
00:34:14.000I have been working really hard on this documentary, and that's got me a little bit stressed out.
00:34:17.000But it's so depressing when you see what's going on.
00:34:22.000And you see people on the street that are very intelligent and come up and talk to you, or doctors or lawyers or business owners or plumbers.
00:34:30.000They know what they're talking about and then you see those people in all the same areas of life who feel like they've reached the pinnacle because they have a few people that they can boss around and they don't care if everything's a lie.
00:35:40.000And I know full well what a pod looks like on the front of an aircraft.
00:35:44.000They have flare and photograph pods on them.
00:35:47.000Glass reflects light in a certain way that's just very unique.
00:35:52.000And you know, through experience, that that's what those are.
00:35:55.000Before we go to this video, real quick, I forgot to mention earlier that the alleged provocateur, one of the things he said was that Clive Doyle invited him there.
00:37:06.000I'll tell you, one of the other points, too, was that Clive had actually, he had asked Clive, do you think anybody will feel any animosity towards me?
00:37:13.000And Clive told him, quite frankly, there's only one way to find out.
00:37:45.000Waco Rules of Engagement shows these guys lying to the Davidians.
00:37:48.000Then they machine gun him and he's up there soaking up all this attention.
00:37:52.000Half a million rounds of ammunition would have taken up at least a third of that room from the floor to the ceiling.
00:37:57.000We did some volume calculations the other day.
00:37:59.000He claimed that these half a million rounds of ammunition were stacked on 2x12 shelves and collapsed on top of the people, and that caused some of the blunt force injuries.
00:41:43.000And it was flat green, and it was of a surveillance type, and it did have a pod of some type.
00:41:49.000I've watched Discovery Channel enough to know it, a surveillance pod with either flare, forward infrared-looking infrared technology, or it was a zoom camera that they were taking photographs of us with to let it blow up.
00:42:03.000I'm not exactly sure, but Steve Lane, again, was in the Air Force for how many years?
00:42:33.000But at any rate, you can see that pod very clearly.
00:42:36.000I don't know if you can see it very well on the film.
00:42:38.000You can see the reflection in the film, which I was glad, because it does have a distinctive reflection.
00:42:42.000It's kind of pinkish when you're there in person, and that's because the type of glass that these cameras sit behind, particularly if you look at them at an angle.
00:43:05.000You know, I didn't pay attention that long because we got the footage, and then we were looking around for other people that might have had the footage as well, that sort of thing.
00:43:13.000Well, if we're ready now, we'll go ahead and go to about 20 minutes of tape.
00:43:18.000This is the Freedom Report every Monday night.
00:43:20.000Look, there's never been a good answer for that.
00:43:22.000Jeff Jamar in the congressional hearings stated categorically that the reason why April 19th was picked was because the weather was good.
00:43:28.000Well, if you're putting gas into a building, having a high-velocity wind operative that could dissipate the gas doesn't mean that the weather was good.
00:44:46.000And what bothers me is that the media allows people like Buck Revell or Bob Ricks to answer questions about the issues raised in my film, and these gentlemen haven't even seen the film.
00:44:58.000And yet they spout off like they have.
00:45:04.000The other thing that I find disturbing is that very few people in the media have seen the film, and yet they'll sit there and pontificate for hours about what's good or bad about it.
00:45:13.000Well, see the film, answer the questions, and that goes for any citizen.
00:46:26.000So we get to deal with those issues and hopefully when we've dealt with them, we're in the process of making that film and I'm finding very little cooperation from people who were involved.
00:47:00.000Well, I can appreciate why they might not be.
00:47:02.000But the fact of the matter is, these are the same fellows that are out bad-mouthing my film, and I think it's only appropriate first that they see the film before they bad-mouth it, and then once they've had that opportunity, that they also spend some time answering the questions raised in the film, as opposed to just being critical in sort of a general, haphazard way.
00:47:24.000Mr. McNulty, I have seen your documentary when it premiered in Austin, Texas to a packed house at the Dovey at UT, and I was ashamed that our newspaper didn't do a front cover story.
00:47:35.000They did it in the movie section, and they said it showed troubling information, showed federal agents firing from their sniper points and actually up...
00:47:45.000Right next to the church or what the media would call the compound.
00:47:48.000I know some new documentation is coming out that's even worse than just the feds firing at women and children as they tried to exit the burning building through the cafeteria area.
00:47:58.000Now is it true that some documentation is coming out, if you want to go ahead and release this, I've heard it from others, that they actually sent in hit squads?
00:49:07.000The fact that it wasn't documented by the media the way it should have been probably has something to do with why you have a TV show and a radio show.
00:49:17.000But on the other hand, the birth of that type of communications is a good thing because it gives the mainline media something to think about next time they want to kowtow to the people of the Justice Department for fear of losing news sources.
00:49:34.000So perhaps it's a good thing, and perhaps there is good that's come out of the situation at Waco.
00:49:39.000In your opinion, who was it firing the automatic weapons?
00:49:44.000Who was firing the automatic weapons at the back of the building on April 19th will be revealed in the new film.
00:49:50.000In terms of, do I have any idea why the media isn't doing their job?
00:50:23.000So you have seen the inventor, the man that holds three of the patents, three of the four patents on flare technology, telling you that those are sniper points firing automatic weapons.
00:50:40.000I will base any definite opinion on it, but I thought it was interesting.
00:50:45.000I thought it was a different perspective, and it taught me something I didn't know before.
00:50:48.000Well, are you aware that our Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, just created ten regional teams to work with local law enforcement?
00:50:54.000That is absolutely unconstitutional, and they're doing anti-terrorism training all around the country.
00:50:59.000Are you aware that General Benton Parton, ex-head of Air Force Weapons Development, says that Oklahoma City was done with pinpoint strikes inside the building?
00:51:08.000Right up there on the podium, here at the five-year remembrance of the slaughter here, is Ramsey Clark, ex-Attorney General of the United States of America.
00:51:18.000And he is there telling you that we are under federal control.
00:51:22.000The military is training with local law enforcement.
00:51:27.000Nazi Germany is right upon us, but this time it's going to be not racial, but environmental and socialist.
00:51:33.000It's the real deal, ladies and gentlemen, and you can't deny it.
00:51:36.000Clark, he was Attorney General during LBJ's administration, and he sent some very stunning information that a lot of us in the freedom movement know about, but a lot of people out there in the mainstream because of the press don't know about.
00:51:50.000He was talking about the growing police state.
00:51:52.000Sir, would you like to make some comments on that?
00:51:54.000Well, our government has become the greatest purveyor of violence on Earth, as Dr. King said it was in 1967. But today it's gone beyond all reasonable bounds.
00:52:06.000Two range people like the School for the Americas to go into Chiapas, Mexico, and kill Mayan Indians who were starving to death.
00:52:16.000Our NAFTA thing has driven their corn off the market because they can't compete with us and can't sell their surplus corn to make a little money to buy some water purifiers so their kids don't get sick and die from polluted water.
00:52:29.000Here at home you see things like Waco which show that we carry over our militarism.
00:52:39.000Right into our churches, to assault church people.
00:52:43.000My first question is, or my first statement about this is, is you're absolutely right.
00:52:47.000I mean, we have military training, people in black ski masks, with the MJTF, Multi-Jurisdictional Task Forces, training directly with our local law enforcement in Austin, Texas, where I'm from, and I found out that this is a nationwide movement.
00:53:03.000You know, the cop is supposed to be our friend on the beat.
00:53:06.000He's the one who gets the cat out of the tree and takes care of the lost kids and stops someone from burglarizing a home and stuff like that.
00:53:32.000The paramilitary concept of police is a police state, you know.
00:53:37.000And our Constitution was created to prevent a police state.
00:53:41.000Yet our police expenditures, our creation of the fear of crime and the belief that you can solve crime by more prisons, by the death penalty, and by beating people in the head is crazy.
00:54:07.000Eisenhower, Kennedy, many others warned us about the military-industrial complex, and now since we've dominated the whole planet, they are now still selling fear, but now they're selling fear of the American people.
00:56:13.000They're organizations through which they implement their power, and it's an international group that maintains power through the multinational corporations and the media and all the rest.
00:56:52.000Every individual has an obligation to be involved in this struggle if you want to live free and want your children who come after to live free.
00:58:23.000Well, it's hard to speak after Ramsey Clark, attorney general, You hear what he was just telling you?
00:58:33.000There is a massive consolidation of local police departments under federal control, the Multi-Jurisdictional Task Force and the JTF-6, which is based at Fort Bliss, Texas.
00:58:49.000And they are the big gun and the long arm of the IRS and the criminal system that is running this nation.
00:58:56.000Make no mistake, the murders of these people and these children was about one thing and one thing only.
00:59:02.000It was about terrorism against the American people.
00:59:06.000It was about testing and pushing the limits to see if the government could surround a group, if they could kill those people and burn it to the ground.
00:59:14.000Waco Rules of Engagement shows the automatic weapons fire as men and women tried to exit the back of the building.
00:59:20.000That's where most of the bodies were found, right in the edge.
00:59:23.000Hit squads, military black ops, the same ones that destroyed Oklahoma City, just like Hitler burnt the Reichstag in 1933. I mean, where is our country when Ex-Attorney Generals of the United States of America are here telling you that Reno and the rest of them and the Republicans and the Democrats are all the same people.
00:59:46.000I mean, it just makes my heart swell with pride that we do have people like Ramsey Clark and others and this whole crowd out here that is standing in defiance of tyranny.
00:59:57.000And I'll take a line from that movie Braveheart.
01:00:03.000What would you give dying in your bed all these years from now to have just once stood up in defiance of tyranny to put on the armor and to ride out on the field against the enemy?
01:00:49.000First, helicopters came in and assaulted, and now we find out, and it's going to come out in the next documentary, and think about this, that they sent in death squads with breathing apparatus to kill those people inside because they couldn't have any witnesses of what really happened on the first day of the 51-day standoff.
01:01:09.000So we're dealing with murder, we're dealing with terrorism against the American people, and this is nothing new in the history of the world.
01:01:17.000Authoritarian regimes always seek to control the modes of finance, the printing of money, transportation, food production, you name it, it's all coming under federal control under the guise of environmentalism, which is nothing but a cult now.
01:01:40.000FEMA. Under Senate Resolution 21 is building hundreds of concentration camps on military bases, set up for families, areas for men, areas for women, areas for women with children, and areas for men who have families on the other side of the camp.
01:01:58.000And by the way, they have triple the guard towers, and I have played this many times on my television show.
01:03:35.000What happened right here where I'm standing in Waco?
01:03:39.000Back in 1993, on April 19th, with state-sponsored terrorism, it was a test to see if you'd lay down.
01:03:45.000And I'm telling you something, they're taken back now because their propaganda and their lies worked for a while, but you see that the polls are changing.
01:03:52.000More and more people are waking up to what's happening.
01:03:55.000So I want to challenge you to talk to ten people a week, get them to see Waco Rules of Engagement.
01:04:01.000I have nothing to do with this documentary, but it's so incredibly powerful.
01:04:05.000You have got to get this and get it into congressmen's hands, your friends' hands, Judges in your local cities because this can be a revelation to the people of America, to the people that just want to be pragmatic, to the people that are just relativists and don't care as long as charity doesn't come knocking on their door.
01:06:18.000And the people out there that have means, that think of themselves as part of the establishment, it's time for you to do your job out there, middle class.
01:06:25.000It's time for you to stand up because you're being raped.
01:06:31.000And one thing that scared me was the nightly news last night showed this FBI front man, this soft soaker, more than they showed anybody else.
01:06:42.000And they kept saying mistakes were made.
01:08:21.000It's not the government against the people or the people against the government.
01:08:24.000It's the people's government working for the rights of the people.
01:08:28.000That's where I recover the majority of the bodies.
01:08:31.000Ferris Rookstool also defends the Davidians.
01:08:35.000Women and children were kind of huddled up into this corner section.
01:08:38.000The former FBI agent recovered many of the bodies and gathered the evidence after the fire.
01:08:43.000He says the government mishandled the situation.
01:08:46.000There were major mistakes made in this case, not only from the way things were handled, but the way things were negotiated and the way things were...
01:08:53.000We're affected in the form of trying to take control of the crime scene.
01:08:58.000These 82 trees were planted as living memorials to the Branch Davidians killed during the standoff.
01:09:03.000And as they continue to grow, so does the myth surrounding the siege.
01:09:06.000But maybe in time there will be a blade of truth as to what really happened.
01:09:32.000And maybe someday a blade of truth will come about what really happened.
01:09:36.000You see, they'll never give you the information.
01:09:39.000Waco Rules of Engagement shows the government's own footage as they shoot those people and as the tanks drive in.
01:09:44.000And the new documentary coming out will document...
01:09:48.000The special forces, black ops military squads, probably the same one that blew up Oklahoma City, went inside there and shot those people from the inside and the outside.
01:09:58.000Now we've got them shooting them from the outside.
01:10:01.000And that FBI agent gets up there, who's a rude, surly slimeball off camera, and I'm an obnoxious freedom fighter on camera, and a nice guy off camera.
01:10:10.000But what it comes down to is, they're lying to you.
01:11:11.000Yes, well, a German crew stayed at three.
01:11:13.000And that's how they were able to get it with a telephoto lens.
01:11:16.000But nobody ever saw the back of the building, but thank God that the defense attorney snuck out the FLIR footage and got this in Waco Rules of Engagement, and the government is very angry.
01:11:28.000Now, we're going to show you a quick clip one more time of me confronting the FBI agent, the soft soaker.
01:11:34.000You see, if I come over and rob your house, but then I come over and apologize once you find out, you might forgive me.
01:12:38.000I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I'm sick of it.
01:12:40.000You sit over here and you talk about how the children huddled in the corner and how the ammunition that they had is what killed them, all the rest of your garbage.
01:14:11.000And he did not invite this gentleman there.
01:14:14.000Clive Doyle is one of the surviving Branch Davidians.
01:14:17.000And then lie number two is the fact that this FBI negotiator, who was there during 51 days, sits up there.
01:14:24.000And says sarcastically that, oh, Clive Doyle was the expert.
01:14:28.000You couldn't fit 500,000 rounds of ammunition in a small room above the storage area.
01:14:34.000This guy just sits up there and acts like Mr. Loving and Mr. Caring to the media, and it makes you want to vomit.
01:14:41.000A real FBI agent is somebody like Frederick Whitehurst, ex-head of the FBI crime lab, that left because of all types of corruption.
01:14:49.000And one more point that we need to make about this, Steve.
01:14:53.000To everybody out there, I later asked him, but I actually messed up putting the video on there, so we'll have that for you next week or something.
01:15:00.000I asked him, well, hey, if you're against this, how about indictments for the FBI agents and the secret black ops squads that shot the men, women, and children?
01:15:07.000Just like they shot Randy Weaver, a pregnant woman, nursing a baby in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in the head.
01:15:16.000He wasn't for the indictments, was he?
01:15:18.000Now tell us real fast what he talked about in person with you.
01:15:21.000Well, they said that to you, this was all about entertainment.
01:15:25.000They were the ones sitting there laughing.
01:15:27.000They were the ones sitting there seemingly having a good time, standing at the very spot where 33 women and children were baked to death and suffocated.
01:15:38.000I wasn't laughing, but the news crew was laughing.
01:15:41.000No, you were standing there fact after fact after fact.
01:15:43.000Some of them admittedly confused because you weren't prepared for that moment.
01:15:46.000I walk up and he's going, Koresh had explosives, killed the children.
01:15:50.000But to sit there and accuse Alex of saying this is all about entertainment to him, I know him personally.
01:15:55.000This is nothing about entertainment to Alex.
01:15:57.000Look, David, all of us, we all hate it.
01:16:02.000The children didn't deserve to die, and the important point is David Koresh invited the sheriff in, and the sheriff says it on Waco Rules of Engagement, and the BETF twice.
01:16:09.000They came and pulled up and opened fire on those people.