Alex Jones Show - Alex Jones Steve Lane Freedom Report

00:00:00.000 We've got a big show tonight.

00:00:01.000 We have Margaret Fraser, the sheriff of Travis County, admitting that the...

00:00:07.000 That they are building a helicopter base for law enforcement.

00:00:11.000 The commissioner court lied to us two months ago.

00:00:13.000 We brought forward the documents.

00:00:15.000 I went and got the documents from the commissioner's court office.

00:00:18.000 I had the documents that they're building a $2,031,000 helicopter base under the guise of Starflight.

00:00:24.000 I brought forward that information.

00:00:26.000 They said the document was wrong.

00:00:28.000 They wrote up a lying document to give out the next week.

00:00:32.000 And ladies and gentlemen...

00:00:33.000 We have the sheriff.

00:00:34.000 They are building.

00:00:35.000 They do have infrared, which can see through your home.

00:00:38.000 There is no privacy left in this town.

00:00:40.000 They have other information.

00:00:42.000 So we have an interview with her.

00:00:43.000 We went out to Waco Remembrance five years after.

00:00:46.000 Yesterday was April 19th.

00:00:48.000 And we spoke to people like Ramsey Clark, who was Attorney General.

00:00:52.000 During the LBJ administration and worked in the Kennedy administration and the Carter administration, he's going to tell you that there's a growing police state, that the Trilateral Commission and the CFR are under the control of international crime rings.

00:01:05.000 You're going to have an attorney general.

00:01:07.000 What I would give for an attorney general like Ramsey Clark today and not Herman, Gurring and drag Janet Reno.

00:01:13.000 Sir, what do you think about the IRS? Church area where the families were burned to death.

00:01:20.000 And I saw one of the FBI hostage negotiators, one of the slimeballs, over there talking about how Koresh had live hand grenades.

00:01:27.000 I'm sorry.

00:01:27.000 I watched the Senate hearings.

00:01:28.000 I read the court transcripts.

00:01:30.000 Those were paperweights, sir.

00:01:31.000 He was over there acting like the good FBI agent that said there was some problems.

00:01:35.000 Then the media began to get smart-mouthed with me.

00:01:38.000 And I got so angry I didn't even have some of my information.

00:01:41.000 But I heard him over there lying, and I just had to tell him what I thought of him.

00:01:45.000 Here is that.

00:01:47.000 confrontation.

00:01:48.000 That didn't come out in the trial. 0.92

00:01:58.000 You're some kind of provocateur.

00:01:59.000 In fact, you're one of those FBI agents, aren't you?

00:02:01.000 We're in the middle of one of our interviews right now. 0.83

00:02:03.000 I don't personally, I don't give a damn.

00:02:04.000 I don't give a damn about you either.

00:02:06.000 Oh, you're not going to do anything to me. 1.00

00:02:07.000 These people are murderers. 1.00

00:02:09.000 These people are murderers. 1.00

00:02:11.000 I'm sick and tired of hearing your lies when you machine-gunned a bunch of men, women, and children. 1.00

00:02:15.000 You got a big problem, buddy. 0.92

00:02:16.000 You sit over here.

00:02:17.000 I'm not afraid of you guys.

00:02:18.000 I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I'm sick of it. 0.99

00:02:21.000 You sit over here and you talk about how the children huddle in the corner and how the ammunition that they had is what killed them, all the rest of your garbage. 0.99

00:02:27.000 You ought to be ashamed of yourself. 0.99

00:02:29.000 You don't stand up for the Constitution.

00:02:30.000 You stand for zip, not a zero.

00:02:32.000 I heard that.

00:02:32.000 You have no calm aplomb.

00:02:34.000 It's false, my friend.

00:02:35.000 And let me tell you, a lot of people are writing down your names.

00:02:38.000 You can follow people around.

00:02:39.000 You can harass people.

00:02:41.000 You can back up your banks, your buddies.

00:02:43.000 But a revolution of peaceful information is coming.

00:02:45.000 And when it comes time, you people are going to be brought to punishment.

00:02:48.000 Do you understand?

00:02:49.000 Just like Nuremberg.

00:02:50.000 Just taking orders doesn't cut it, my friend.

00:02:52.000 Do you understand me?

00:02:54.000 I think I've assessed you.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, oh, you've assessed me.

00:02:57.000 Listen, you can sit there and say some kind of little joke. 0.98

00:03:00.000 All your text put garbage, my friend. 0.96

00:03:02.000 I got people like General Parton, ex-head of Air Force Weapons Development. 0.98

00:03:05.000 We know the federal government destroyed Oklahoma.

00:03:08.000 It's proven.

00:03:08.000 We know what you guys are engaged in, just like Hitler burnt the Reichstag.

00:03:12.000 We know you brought Nazis over here through the rat line to set up our CIA after the OSS. So you can't sit here. 0.84

00:03:18.000 You can assess me all day.

00:03:19.000 I want you to assess me.

00:03:20.000 I've assessed you.

00:03:21.000 A smiley face slime ball that sits here in soft pedals and tries to placate the media.

00:03:27.000 Waco Rules of Engagement shows your agents machine gunning men, women, and children as they tried to exit.

00:03:33.000 One of the inventors of flare technology, they didn't have 500,000 rounds of ammunition.

00:03:36.000 I just talked to Clive Doyle.

00:03:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:03:39.000 And Clive is the expert on the total number of pieces of ammo.

00:03:42.000 Yes.

00:03:43.000 Oh, he is?

00:03:44.000 Yes.

00:03:44.000 Well, Clive's the one that invited me here.

00:03:47.000 That is lie number one.

00:03:49.000 We talked to Clive Doyle, and he did not invite this gentleman there.

00:03:54.000 Clive Doyle is one of the surviving Branch Davidians.

00:03:57.000 And then lie number two is the fact that this FBI negotiator, who was there during the 51 days, sits up there and says sarcastically that, oh, Clive Doyle was the expert.

00:04:08.000 You couldn't fit 500,000 rounds of ammunition in a small room above the storage area.

00:04:15.000 This guy just sits up there and acts like Mr. Loving and Mr. Caring to the media, and it makes him want to vomit.

00:04:21.000 A real FBI agent is somebody like Frederick Whitehurst, ex-head of the FBI Crime Lab, that left because of all types of corruption.

00:04:28.000 And then we sat there and asked this bozo, I shouldn't be like that, I'm sorry, if he was so much for the Branch Davidians, how about some indictments for Bob Ricks and others that ran the siege? 0.75

00:04:40.000 And, of course, he wasn't for that.

00:04:42.000 Couldn't do that.

00:04:43.000 It's just so easy to sit in the middle and act like Mr. Sweetie Pie.

00:04:45.000 All right, I slapped that together like in 10 minutes before we went on the air.

00:04:55.000 That's why it's all bumpy and jumpy.

00:04:58.000 I think we're going to put together like a two-hour presentation of all the tape we got out there.

00:05:02.000 There's a lot of footage.

00:05:04.000 Coming up are some interviews with Attorney General Ramsey Clark.

00:05:10.000 Just a lot of other information.

00:05:11.000 Again, the producer of Waco Rules of Engagement, Mike McNulty.

00:05:15.000 And he's got a new documentary coming out.

00:05:18.000 He wouldn't say it on tape, but he and others would say it off air.

00:05:22.000 They have evidence, rock-hard evidence, that British special forces were used because half the people in the Branch Davidian Church were British.

00:05:31.000 And that's kind of how international systems work.

00:05:33.000 If you're going to kill somebody from another country, you use their people. 1.00

00:05:36.000 That's classic, if you know about CIA operations, to come in with breathing apparatus. 0.86

00:05:41.000 To go inside and machine gun the people from the inside and the outside.

00:05:45.000 We have footage of them killing people on the outside.

00:05:48.000 It was just a matter of time for something like this came out.

00:05:50.000 You know, I spoke to this gentleman after you had walked away, and he was a little bit more open with me than with you.

00:05:56.000 I think he didn't know that we were together, and he had mentioned a great many things.

00:06:00.000 One of the things that was pretty disturbing to me is he claimed, first of all, this gentleman was a hostage negotiator for the FBI. He claims to no longer work for the FBI, but I will tell you this.

00:06:10.000 As a hostage negotiator, he also claimed that 19 days after the church burned to the ground, they were allowed in, and he was part of the recovery team, recovering bodies.

00:06:22.000 In fact, he claimed to cut apart the hand of a mother.

00:06:26.000 And her child, she was holding her child's hand, and their hands had melted together.

00:06:30.000 He claimed that the temperature in that room was approximately 3,000 degrees because they found melted aluminum, which I don't know if that's an accurate temperature figure, and that the people either died from suffocating on CS gas, either suffocate or suffocation from smoke inhalation, or that they did not burn to death, but rather baked to death.

00:06:52.000 And he made that point very clear.

00:06:57.000 Beyond recognition, they were, in fact, quite intact.

00:07:00.000 They actually baked alive, if you can possibly imagine that.

00:07:03.000 Well, the reason I blew up at him, and we don't have that on tape, because we didn't know, we come walking up and we were listening.

00:07:09.000 And he was up there, yes, the FBI, blah, blah, made some mistakes, but Koresh had live hand grenades.

00:07:15.000 Yeah, he said they found an unexploded hand grenade.

00:07:17.000 After just saying that the temperatures in there were 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, then he goes and claims that there was an unexploded hand grenade found in there.

00:07:26.000 And as far as the half million shell casings goes, again, Alex had left at this point, there were shell casings still all over the place.

00:07:34.000 And I'm sitting here thinking, if this gentleman in fact took such an accurate count, why were there still shell casings littered about five years later?

00:07:44.000 The sole of a shoe, a boot, still there, with the imprint of someone's foot, the ball of someone's foot, where it had melted.

00:07:53.000 Their foot had melted.

00:07:54.000 You should have taken that.

00:07:54.000 The shoe sole.

00:07:55.000 You should have taken that.

00:07:56.000 I think somebody else picked it up.

00:07:57.000 And he also, and this is one of the most damning things that I heard him say.

00:08:01.000 Out of all the FBI agents that were out there collecting evidence, they were sifting through the dirt with screens, and they would collect evidence, and the dirt, the...

00:08:09.000 Items that they considered to not be evidence.

00:08:12.000 They were tossing in what they called trash piles.

00:08:15.000 He said later on, one of the medical examiners was dumping his trash into the trash pile and found the spine.

00:08:22.000 And the pelvic cage of a child that had been discarded in the trash pile and that whoever it was that sifted it didn't realize that those were the bones of a human being, one of the children that died in the attack on Waco.

00:08:35.000 It's absolutely disgusting, the total lack of respect they have for human life.

00:08:40.000 He's an agent. 0.91

00:08:41.000 He's a soft soaker.

00:08:42.000 He's there to placate and engage in all that type of behavior.

00:08:46.000 Now let me show you something right here.

00:08:48.000 We have the Statesman, and it shows the baby from Oklahoma City.

00:08:53.000 We have the Dallas Morning News.

00:08:56.000 It has the same photograph.

00:08:58.000 Well, because other news is obtained from the same source, UPI or AP. And we have USA Today.

00:09:05.000 It has the same photograph of the baby.

00:09:10.000 So they all have this fireman photo.

00:09:16.000 Oh, but look, China's being nice. 0.99

00:09:17.000 They released a political dissident.

00:09:19.000 See, China's being good.

00:09:21.000 They just have 30 million political dissidents in slave labor camps.

00:09:25.000 Oh, boy.

00:09:26.000 They're doing a really, really, really great job.

00:09:29.000 Alex, worse than that, when I got home last night and I turned on the television, one of the mainstream television news magazines Were they playing anything about Oklahoma City?

00:09:42.000 Were they playing anything about Waco?

00:09:44.000 No, of course not.

00:09:45.000 They spent 17 minutes, I timed it, on a couple that rescued a moose from an icy lake.

00:09:52.000 Well, see, that's part of lowering the level of humans by raising the level of animals. 0.75

00:09:57.000 Then you can give animals voting rights, but animals can't talk, so the state gets to cast their ballot.

00:10:02.000 I'll tell you, it absolutely twisted my stomach.

00:10:05.000 After meeting...

00:10:06.000 Individuals, Clive Doyle, who I believe his hands were burned from trying to escape from the burning building.

00:10:14.000 I'm not sure about that.

00:10:16.000 I met children that survived from there, old women that survived from Waco.

00:10:22.000 I looked at headstones that memorialize dead... 1.00

00:10:25.000 Children, dead babies, dead unborn babies, and I come home to my television set, mainstream so-called professional news people, and they're worried about some goddamn moose in a stupid frozen lake. 0.99

00:10:37.000 This is way more important than babies dying, women dying, children dying, men dying, your government attacking its citizens. 1.00

00:10:45.000 No, no, no, no.

00:10:45.000 What's important in this world is a moose.

00:10:47.000 Well, Steve, you know, though, we're hurting the earth.

00:10:50.000 And I agree with that.

00:10:52.000 And the first people that need to go with this global Malthusian euthanasia plan they've got set up for everybody is David Rockefeller.

00:11:00.000 All your top people.

00:11:01.000 I agree.

00:11:02.000 And hey, we should all be marked.

00:11:04.000 We should all have to thumb scan and retina scan like they're doing and have more of a plan to buy and sell.

00:11:10.000 Mike Hanson, the producer of this show, went to the bank today and he has a recording of him asking if they have thumb scanning planned.

00:11:18.000 And, yeah, I don't have to put it close.

00:11:19.000 I'm not going to play it right now.

00:11:20.000 We tested it earlier.

00:11:21.000 Yeah, I do it on radio, too.

00:11:23.000 And so what it comes down to is, yes, they're planning to put in thumb scanners, electronic scanning to buy and sell.

00:11:30.000 That'll be coming very, very soon for you in the future, for your best interest, of course.

00:11:34.000 But I think that the Elite should have to do it first.

00:11:39.000 I think everybody in the establishment who's criminal, I don't mean somebody that owns a business or who people think is rich, I don't mean people that raise your taxes and ship drugs into your country, they should have to have a big brand burned on their head that says murderer.

00:11:53.000 So I am for marking.

00:11:54.000 I am for the things they're for. 0.99

00:11:58.000 I am for killing whole populations. 1.00

00:11:59.000 Let's start with them. 1.00

00:12:00.000 I think it's not such a bad plan.

00:12:03.000 Yeah.

00:12:04.000 Yeah.

00:12:05.000 You know?

00:12:05.000 I mean, who's going to go first?

00:12:10.000 Scott Horton was telling me a story.

00:12:11.000 He's going to get a show down here, he's a friend of mine.

00:12:15.000 He works at a restaurant, just a fast food place.

00:12:17.000 He's a young guy, about 21 years old.

00:12:21.000 Hardworking guy, works at a place, also drives a cab.

00:12:25.000 He's in there and this guy comes up and just makes a comment.

00:12:30.000 And Scott didn't know that he was Jewish.

00:12:35.000 Because...

00:12:35.000 Scott has friends that are Jewish.

00:12:37.000 And he made the comment, the guy goes, without Scott saying anything, the guy's like, what do you want?

00:12:42.000 And the guy says, I want this sandwich. 0.99

00:12:47.000 And then the guy just starts spouting off, man, there's too many damn people. 0.99

00:12:51.000 It's time to cull the herd. 1.00

00:12:53.000 It's time to get rid of a lot of these people.

00:12:56.000 I'm sick and tired of it.

00:12:57.000 And Scott goes, oh no, man.

00:13:01.000 There's plenty of room.

00:13:02.000 Haven't you been up in an airplane?

00:13:03.000 Haven't you been out in the country?

00:13:04.000 Haven't you seen?

00:13:06.000 America is 90% undeveloped.

00:13:08.000 We've got plenty.

00:13:09.000 Oh no, we don't have enough water.

00:13:10.000 There's not enough water.

00:13:11.000 And he says, look at Israel.

00:13:13.000 Look what they've done.

00:13:14.000 The great job they've done.

00:13:15.000 They have desalinization plants and blah, blah, blah.

00:13:18.000 And then we have tons of water in America.

00:13:20.000 You can put a city here, a city there.

00:13:22.000 And the guy goes, I'm from Israel!

00:13:24.000 I'm Jewish!

00:13:25.000 How dare you?

00:13:26.000 And Scott was going, no, no, I was saying they...

00:13:29.000 They moved there or moved back in the 1945 or 46 or 47 and made the desert bloom. 0.99

00:13:36.000 I was being nice.

00:13:37.000 And the guy's, we need to get rid of a lot of these people.

00:13:39.000 We need to get rid of them. 0.99

00:13:41.000 Scott's like, well, man, I can't believe that you're Jewish after all these people that have been killed of your people. 1.00

00:13:46.000 I'm not for anybody dying.

00:13:47.000 I'm for us improving technology and moving forward and doing what it takes.

00:13:50.000 And the guy's like, oh, yeah.

00:13:52.000 Yeah, you're probably some kind of supremacist.

00:13:54.000 And God is stuffing left. 0.60

00:13:56.000 I mean...

00:13:57.000 And that's not a comment of a Jewish person.

00:13:59.000 It's a comment of a German person, a Jewish person.

00:14:02.000 I mean, I've had professors that were black, that were white.

00:14:06.000 It doesn't matter. 0.99

00:14:06.000 They're all infected. 0.99

00:14:07.000 The whole society, regardless, is infected with this sickness that humans are bad.

00:14:12.000 And Kevorkian is some type of god.

00:14:14.000 They're buying into this whole environmentalism, which is nothing more than...

00:14:17.000 Then gloom and doom, witch doctors saying, oh, if you don't do this, the sky will turn black and the rivers will run red with your blood.

00:14:23.000 You know, you have to give us your land.

00:14:24.000 You have to have cities go buy $65 million worth of land to protect everything.

00:14:29.000 I try to escape this stuff.

00:14:31.000 Last night I get home at about 1 o'clock.

00:14:33.000 I've been working all day.

00:14:34.000 I've been up since early in the morning.

00:14:35.000 I went to Waco.

00:14:35.000 Then I was editing the documentary.

00:14:37.000 I come home.

00:14:38.000 It's about 1 in the morning.

00:14:39.000 I get in bed.

00:14:39.000 I start reading this book my mother gave me.

00:14:41.000 It was written by an Austin author.

00:14:43.000 It's about the history of dogs.

00:14:44.000 It's real well written.

00:14:46.000 About 20 pages into it, it starts talking about the history in Europe that the poor people weren't allowed.

00:14:51.000 And I already knew this, but it was just good to read it again.

00:14:52.000 But I still can't escape elitism, even in a history of dogs.

00:14:56.000 And it talked about how dogs, only the rich could have dogs.

00:15:01.000 The poor people couldn't hunt or couldn't even go on the king's land, which was 90% of the whole country.

00:15:08.000 Couldn't take some venison or some rabbits if they were dying.

00:15:12.000 And if they were allowed to have a dog, it was only to service the king's sheep.

00:15:16.000 You know, as a sheepdog, they would cut off three digits off the dog's left paw so it would hobble so it couldn't bring down game.

00:15:25.000 And it talked about how people weren't allowed to use property and how they could be executed for killing a rabbit even if their family was starving.

00:15:31.000 This is ancient.

00:15:33.000 Control of the resources by crooked establishments to make you impotent.

00:15:40.000 That's what it is.

00:15:41.000 This is just modern feudalism.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, we're fixing to go to an interview.

00:15:50.000 I happen to be down at the tax protest on the real April Fool's Day, April 15th, and guess who is there?

00:15:56.000 Your Travis County Sheriff, Margo Frazier.

00:15:58.000 I think it's very interesting.

00:15:59.000 She waits to the last minute to pay her taxes like so many others. 1.00

00:16:03.000 Actually, it was Mike that spotted her, Mike Hansen, and we flagged her down, got her to pull off because she's not holding her traffic.

00:16:09.000 Hold on, it's not her taxes. 0.98

00:16:11.000 It's Chase Manhattan taxes.

00:16:14.000 Corporate welfare.

00:16:15.000 It's Citibank taxes.

00:16:17.000 It's basically your old trust money.

00:16:21.000 We pay taxes to the secret government.

00:16:23.000 But she was concerned about holding up traffic, so she pulled off to the side, and she very graciously granted an interview.

00:16:29.000 And I want you to listen very carefully.

00:16:30.000 She admits that Starflight is going to be used for...

00:16:35.000 It's going to be mounted with forward-looking infrared radar.

00:16:38.000 Mike, do you have that tape all queued up?

00:16:40.000 And also, after that, we've got Shannon Burke, who's on the same radio station as me.

00:16:44.000 I'm a frequent guest.

00:16:45.000 First of all, I'm Steve Lane.

00:16:46.000 This is Sheriff Margo Frazier.

00:16:47.000 Is that correct?

00:16:48.000 I'm sorry.

00:16:49.000 I actually live in Marble Falls, so I'm familiar with names and faces.

00:16:54.000 If it's all right, we just want to ask you a few questions.

00:16:55.000 First of all, I'd like to extend an invitation.

00:16:57.000 Lieutenant Beck.

00:16:58.000 I accepted an invitation to be our featured speaker at our Downsized Government Conference this month.

00:17:04.000 We kind of wanted to give our audience a chance to hear what the role of SWAT is.

00:17:08.000 I was surprised to learn that their main role is serving felony warrants, which was news to me.

00:17:14.000 I think there's a lot of people that have a lot of questions about how...

00:17:19.000 People reporting that some of the local law enforcement agencies are doing some training with federal government people, military, that sort of thing.

00:17:29.000 And we wanted a chance to let him hear his side of the story.

00:17:32.000 We've only heard one side of the story.

00:17:34.000 So I'd kind of like to see maybe you come down there and speak for a little bit.

00:17:38.000 We'd really love to hear you talk.

00:17:40.000 But right now I wanted to ask you a few questions.

00:17:43.000 We wanted to talk about Starflight a little bit.

00:17:45.000 Can you kind of give me a rundown?

00:17:46.000 Because I myself am just learning about it.

00:17:48.000 I don't know all the facts.

00:17:49.000 Can you kind of give me a rundown about what some of the controversy is surrounding Starflight and its use by the Sheriff's Department?

00:17:57.000 Well, I don't know.

00:17:58.000 One second.

00:17:59.000 I have a five-year-old.

00:18:01.000 I was going to say, I have a five-year-old and an eight-month-old, and you can imagine this eight-month-old crawling around right now.

00:18:06.000 Oh, my gosh, you should see it.

00:18:07.000 I don't know that there is any controversy about us using Starflight.

00:18:10.000 We wanted to start a helicopter patrol program, especially to use for rescues out on the lake, and to be able to use in other high-risk situations.

00:18:21.000 But having the use of a helicopter, it would lessen the risk to both the public and to the officers.

00:18:27.000 And so we looked at different...

00:18:29.000 We have different ways to do that, and one of the cheapest ways to do it was to use helicopters that were already being paid for by the county.

00:18:35.000 And so we made a proposal to use Starflight during the hours that it was not being flown for medical emergencies.

00:18:41.000 Medical emergencies is still the first priority of Starflight.

00:18:45.000 And so we have a schedule in which we use it.

00:18:48.000 We use the same mechanics, the same pilots, and have a sheriff's office personnel on board.

00:18:54.000 And by doing that, we're able to operate the program basically at the cost of the fuel What about the...

00:19:00.000 I've heard something, and again, I'm still educating myself, so bear with me here.

00:19:03.000 It seems like I recall seeing something about somebody's introduced a plan to build a hangar to house StarFlight and some...

00:19:13.000 Possible purchase of some Sheriff's Department helicopters or something to that effect.

00:19:16.000 Can you speak to that a little bit?

00:19:17.000 There is.

00:19:18.000 Part of the bond issue that was passed by the public was a new Starflight hangar.

00:19:22.000 Starflight is presently housed at Robert Mueller Airport.

00:19:25.000 You might be aware it's going away.

00:19:26.000 And they have been told that they're not welcome at the new airport because of the difficulty of helicopters and airplanes living together.

00:19:34.000 I don't understand it all.

00:19:34.000 I can speak to that a little bit.

00:19:36.000 I'm a private pilot.

00:19:37.000 I can speak to that a little bit.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, if they say that's a problem, I accept it. 0.93

00:19:40.000 And so there needs to be a new Starflight hangar.

00:19:42.000 And so they've been looking at places to put the Star Flight Hangar.

00:19:45.000 The county is exploring the fact that they're also looking for places for parts of my decentralization plan, some substations.

00:19:53.000 And so the discussion was, do we put...

00:19:56.000 You get to listen to kids' songs in the background.

00:19:58.000 She's great.

00:19:58.000 Yeah, she's wonderful.

00:20:00.000 But whether or not we should put Starflight and the Sheriff's substation and even perhaps a warehouse together.

00:20:06.000 And so that's the talk about it being together.

00:20:11.000 What about, have you heard anything, do they plan to change anything at all having to do with the helicopter itself?

00:20:17.000 Will they change any of the equipment, any of the setup of the helicopter, or have you heard anything about that at all?

00:20:21.000 Well, there are two county helicopters that are supposed to be coming in because the ones that we present I see.

00:20:51.000 The helicopters that were purchased, were they used to helicopters or new?

00:20:54.000 My understanding is that these are new helicopters and they're being purchased through EMS and we quite frankly have had nothing to do with what type they are.

00:21:03.000 Since their main purpose is medical, they're dictating what the helicopters look like.

00:21:07.000 I see.

00:21:08.000 What do you think about maybe getting Lieutenant Beck to be one of the guys who flies it?

00:21:11.000 He's got a commercial rating.

00:21:12.000 Why don't you try and talk him into that?

00:21:13.000 He seems like a pretty good guy.

00:21:15.000 Well, he is a good guy.

00:21:16.000 And we have some very experienced pilots with those aircrafts that are part of the Star Flight Program who tell me they can put it down anywhere.

00:21:24.000 And so I think I'll leave the flying to them.

00:21:26.000 He'd probably do too many aerobatics anyway.

00:21:28.000 He was telling me about some aerobatics training he did.

00:21:30.000 I'm a pilot, too, and we chatted a lot.

00:21:32.000 We've talked a lot about that.

00:21:33.000 Just for some closing comments, are you an elected official?

00:21:40.000 Is that how it works?

00:21:44.000 Two and a half years.

00:21:45.000 I'm in my 15th month.

00:21:47.000 Out of the last part of your term, is there any one main specific thing you'd like to accomplish or just a lot of general things?

00:21:53.000 And could you speak about those a little bit?

00:21:54.000 Well, I have a multifaceted job.

00:21:56.000 I not only have a responsible for all the law enforcement.

00:21:59.000 I'm a mom, as you can tell.

00:22:01.000 I'm not only responsible for law enforcement in the unincorporated areas, the serving of felony warrants all over Travis County.

00:22:07.000 I have mental health deputies that go all over the county.

00:22:10.000 But I also run a 2,500 bed jail facility.

00:22:13.000 And so So this next year, we're in the process of finishing our new booking facility, and we'll be opening that.

00:22:19.000 And then we start on a new psychiatric and medical facility out at Del Valle.

00:22:23.000 So we always have something going on, and we're also trying to do some decentralization to take the officers out to the public.

00:22:30.000 So the public, instead of always sitting in downtown Austin, waiting for the public to come to us, for us to go to them.

00:22:37.000 Real quick, have you heard of the Travis County ASAP program, and would you be willing to say, Well, the ASAP program is a program that's run by the constables out of the commissioner's court.

00:22:49.000 You know, I think that the basic idea of getting kids to go to school is a good program.

00:22:56.000 I was supportive of looking at the ideas of, you know, does it make good economic sense to have somebody go out there the very first time?

00:23:07.000 Well, we are back.

00:23:08.000 And, of course, you notice that it's all for emergencies.

00:23:13.000 The key thing that she kept saying is, well, we get the helicopters, and we control them, and we're going to put infrared on them, heat sensors on them, and all the rest of this stuff, but we don't decide who buys them.

00:23:24.000 See, they put them on the bond package as Starflight, EMS, Emergency Rescue.

00:23:31.000 As I drove over here today...

00:23:33.000 I saw two green, dark green military surveillance type helicopters.

00:23:37.000 They weren't the big Sikorskis.

00:23:39.000 They weren't the big Bells.

00:23:40.000 They were little Peapod military surveillance helicopters with photographic and infrared pods on the bottom.

00:23:45.000 I'm going to start carrying, and I'm seeing more and more of these things.

00:23:48.000 They were in Waco.

00:23:49.000 There was one in Waco.

00:23:50.000 Yeah, and we got that on tape.

00:23:52.000 I mean, I don't, we're in a police state.

00:23:55.000 It is accelerating, and they're getting ready to close the door on us.

00:24:00.000 He was attorney general, former attorney general, and also worked in several other administrations.

00:24:08.000 So you're going to want to hear what he has to say coming up in Waco yesterday.

00:24:14.000 And then, of course, we have producers and others.

00:24:16.000 Do you want to go ahead and go to Shannon Burke?

00:24:17.000 Yeah, we did.

00:24:18.000 This is at the tax protest.

00:24:19.000 If you want to see the tax protest...

00:24:22.000 You can see footage of the tax protest the 23rd of April, and that's on Thursdays, and that's at 5 p.m.

00:24:30.000 So every Thursday from 5 to 6 p.m., you can see more of these stories in their entirety.

00:24:36.000 And so, of course, that is the 23rd of April.

00:24:39.000 You will be able to see, and I think that's this Thursday, isn't it?

00:24:42.000 Yes, this Thursday.

00:24:43.000 This Thursday at 5 p.m., you can set your VCRs.

00:24:46.000 You'll be able to see the tax protest, which got...

00:24:48.000 Pretty heated, I heard.

00:24:49.000 Let's go ahead and go to Shannon Burke from my radio station, the station I work for, 98.9 KJFK. I can't say what.

00:24:55.000 This is for Axis Television, but you can figure it out.

00:24:58.000 Same one as Mr. Alex Jones.

00:24:59.000 We're standing here at the main post office, and I've invited Shannon to perhaps come down to speak at the Downsized Government Conference.

00:25:06.000 Why don't you tell people what you're doing out here tonight?

00:25:07.000 Well, I'm just trying to get a little feedback.

00:25:09.000 I mean, there's a lot of people that protest this.

00:25:11.000 We see it on TV all the time.

00:25:12.000 People really want to know if it's real.

00:25:14.000 And if it is real, how can we participate?

00:25:17.000 Everyone fears the IRS. We've been fearing them for years and years and years.

00:25:20.000 They're the most powerful force in our lives.

00:25:23.000 More powerful than the Lord Jesus Christ, if you can imagine that.

00:25:26.000 But we want to know how to beat it.

00:25:28.000 No one wants to pay taxes.

00:25:29.000 We don't have to.

00:25:30.000 We love our country.

00:25:30.000 But if we don't have to pay the taxes, we're not going to pay them.

00:25:33.000 And we're just out here trying to find out, you know, the direction, where we're headed, how we can get involved.

00:25:39.000 What I think is interesting is we had a woman quoting a Bible verse earlier.

00:25:42.000 We've been trying to interview people, and I'd say 98% of people won't talk on camera.

00:25:46.000 And I think a lot of that's through fear.

00:25:48.000 And I don't mean apathy or being scared or nervous.

00:25:50.000 I think they genuinely are fearful.

00:25:51.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:25:52.000 The IRS can kiss my big white butt. 1.00

00:25:54.000 I don't give a damn. 1.00

00:25:55.000 That's Shannon Burke. 0.88

00:25:56.000 Year after year after year, I pay and I pay and I pay.

00:25:59.000 And, you know, there's no end to it.

00:26:01.000 And I, more than anyone else, I'm more interested in the sovereignty individual of America and how I can become that way and the homework and what I need to do.

00:26:09.000 It's all about education.

00:26:11.000 Learn what you can, go to the seminars, exercise what these people are telling you, and beat our...

00:26:18.000 Our opponent.

00:26:19.000 Beat our opponent.

00:26:21.000 The Shannon Burke Show, I think.

00:26:23.000 Very good, very good.

00:26:23.000 One quick thing.

00:26:24.000 I noticed that one woman who was quoting Bible verses when we spoke to her.

00:26:27.000 I think it's very interesting that God himself only asked for 10% of your income, but the IRS asked for about 38%.

00:26:33.000 What do you think about that?

00:26:35.000 I think God knows what he's doing.

00:26:38.000 He doesn't want to gouge anybody.

00:26:39.000 God needs a little bit of money. 0.53

00:26:41.000 He's got a lot of overhead, God does.

00:26:42.000 He's got heaven.

00:26:43.000 He's got everybody up there.

00:26:44.000 He only needs a little bit of money for overhead.

00:26:46.000 Of course, our country needs more than he needs, which tells you...

00:26:48.000 Just something right there.

00:26:49.000 Listen to my show.

00:26:50.000 Calls in quite a bit, so thank you, Steve.

00:26:52.000 It was nice meeting you, Shannon.

00:26:53.000 I appreciate it.

00:26:53.000 I'm going to get you down there.

00:26:54.000 I'll call you.

00:26:55.000 You got it.

00:26:58.000 Well, that member of the right-wing extremist club.

00:27:03.000 Shannon's funny.

00:27:04.000 He's turning.

00:27:05.000 Yes.

00:27:07.000 Before your influence, buddy, he was a bleeding heart, tree-hugging liberal, and now look at him.

00:27:12.000 Well, now he knows that the people that are cutting down the trees are the ones conning and controlling these wind-up toy environmentalist organizations.

00:27:20.000 That's right.

00:27:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:27:22.000 Well, and Shannon's very easily swayed by, I mean, he's a good guy.

00:27:27.000 You'll see him one day, and then the next day he's in with a different crowd.

00:27:30.000 But he's starting, even when he's around them, he's starting to...

00:27:32.000 He's starting to pitch.

00:27:33.000 Well, I've been out with Shannon a couple times.

00:27:34.000 He's a good guy.

00:27:36.000 He used to own Cedar Street down there.

00:27:39.000 I think he owned some other bars and owned some real estate.

00:27:44.000 That was the first time I actually met him in person.

00:27:45.000 He's a big guy.

00:27:46.000 He's a big guy.

00:27:47.000 I wouldn't want to meet him on a dark street with him ticked off at you. 0.99

00:27:50.000 Yeah, he's a big wimp. 0.98

00:27:52.000 I'm just joking. 0.99

00:27:53.000 No, seriously.

00:27:54.000 Alright, what's the next story?

00:27:56.000 I think we should go ahead and go to if we've queued up the tape.

00:28:01.000 Are you ready for that, Mike?

00:28:02.000 Or what was the schedule tonight?

00:28:04.000 Oh, thumbprint.

00:28:06.000 Yeah, thumbprint.

00:28:07.000 This is a tape recording that Mike made at, I believe it was his bank.

00:28:12.000 It's a little bit scratchy.

00:28:14.000 We're just taking it right off the microcassette recorder here.

00:28:17.000 But we want you to hear what happened at his bank.

00:28:20.000 This isn't my recorder.

00:28:21.000 I don't see play on here.

00:28:22.000 What are you just shoving into?

00:28:25.000 Q, maybe?

00:28:27.000 Oh, it's review.

00:28:28.000 Review.

00:28:30.000 Remember, we don't have teleprompters.

00:28:31.000 Actually, we have teleprompters, but we never use them.

00:28:33.000 I know how to do it right here.

00:28:35.000 This is Mike at the bank.

00:28:37.000 I have a question for you.

00:28:37.000 Uh-huh.

00:28:38.000 I was just curious.

00:28:40.000 Is this bank setting up the thumb scanning or the fingerprints already?

00:28:47.000 Yes, it is in the lobby for non-account holders only.

00:28:50.000 Okay, but they don't have any plans to make the regular customers start thumb scanning or fingerprinting at this time?

00:29:00.000 I don't know.

00:29:01.000 Let me ask.

00:29:02.000 Because that's when I quit your bank.

00:29:04.000 Great silence.

00:29:11.000 Great silence.

00:29:12.000 Is that it, Mike?

00:29:14.000 And there we go.

00:29:25.000 Actually, wait.

00:29:27.000 Do you have any plans at this time?

00:29:30.000 Are y'all setting up the thumb scanning or fingerprint?

00:29:32.000 He's talking to the supervisor.

00:29:34.000 Deal right now?

00:29:35.000 Yes, sir.

00:29:36.000 So actually the thumbprinting has already been implemented and that takes place in the lobby.

00:29:40.000 That's why our drive-thru is there for our account holders only.

00:29:43.000 And our non-account holders have to take their checks into the lobby in order to cash them.

00:29:48.000 Okay, but you're not making the one-time account here get thumb scanned or fingerprinted at this time, right?

00:29:56.000 At this particular point, time no.

00:29:58.000 We're trying to hold back from doing that because we really want to inconvenience our account holders.

00:30:04.000 Depending upon, like I said, depending upon a lot of things, how security goes, how the procedure is going, then they will decide whether or not they want to move towards the medical account holders, either as I'm planning.

00:30:20.000 I wanted to make a little comment here.

00:30:21.000 Mike asked me to ask people, for those of you who wanted something to do, this is one small step you can make.

00:30:27.000 We could start a grassroots effort here.

00:30:29.000 Mike is making a call tonight to have every individual.

00:30:32.000 Who's against having their thumbprint taken at the bank, their thumb scanned at the bank, fingerprints, blood, whatever it is they want next week, to stand up and say, if you're going to do this, I'm not going to use your bank.

00:30:42.000 I'm not going to bring my business here.

00:30:44.000 And if enough people cry out against this...

00:30:47.000 They will stop this thumb scanning and thumb printing at banks.

00:30:50.000 I mean, ultimately, it is money that drives these banks.

00:30:53.000 They are businesses.

00:30:54.000 It's time to stand up.

00:30:55.000 If you want to stand up in your own little way, this is a great way to do it.

00:30:59.000 I agree with Mike.

00:31:00.000 A grassroots effort like this could be very successful.

00:31:02.000 You can stand up against the new world order in your own little way, in your own little hometown, and say, I refuse to do this, or I won't do business with you if you make me do this.

00:31:11.000 Well, that's a great resistance, but first...

00:31:13.000 We have to educate people.

00:31:14.000 If people started standing up against that, they'd send in some agent provocateur screaming, I hate thumb scanning, and he'd blow up a building with a thousand people in it.

00:31:22.000 And then everyone would say thumb scanning is wonderful.

00:31:24.000 But this is America.

00:31:25.000 It's the greatest country ever.

00:31:26.000 They have to have thumb scanning.

00:31:29.000 I'm talking about digital thumb scanning imprint.

00:31:32.000 They do it to get a driver's license.

00:31:33.000 Clinton wants urine and blood testing. 0.99

00:31:35.000 I've showed you the documents a hundred times, Federal Register, all that jazz.

00:31:38.000 If you want to deny it, that's fine.

00:31:39.000 It's about a world taxation system.

00:31:41.000 It's about taking away your individual rights.

00:31:46.000 And people say, well, what do you have to fear?

00:31:48.000 What are you hiding?

00:31:50.000 It's an invasion of privacy.

00:31:53.000 And you can prepare yourselves.

00:31:55.000 The media's drumming up support for it, for retina scanning.

00:31:59.000 The government's already doing it.

00:32:00.000 Been doing it for 20 years.

00:32:01.000 For thumbprint and handprint identification.

00:32:03.000 For urine and blood testing to get driver's license.

00:32:06.000 Prepare yourself for new environmental taxes that are massive.

00:32:10.000 For cameras everywhere.

00:32:11.000 For K-tag chips in your car before you're able to drive or move or do anything.

00:32:16.000 They're already doing it in Kansas and other states.

00:32:18.000 Prepare yourselves.

00:32:20.000 Prepare yourselves to be tracked and numbered like in some sick machine.

00:32:25.000 And I hope you all enjoy it.

00:32:27.000 Because there'll be plenty of football games and plenty of bread and circus for you to enjoy until they institute the economic crash to consolidate the wealth because these are despots.

00:32:36.000 These are criminal individuals that are running this country and that are running this world.

00:32:39.000 They don't have to do what they're doing, but they're going to do it because they make their money out of control of civilizations, not out of production and real creation and ingenuity.

00:32:51.000 So this is a real deal here.

00:32:54.000 This is really happening.

00:32:56.000 I'll tell you, we're going to kind of shift focus here a little bit.

00:33:01.000 Alex and I and many others took a bus yesterday to Waco at the site of Mount Carmel, or at least what's left of it.

00:33:10.000 There's been a nice little museum erected there.

00:33:13.000 There were surviving Branch Davidians.

00:33:14.000 There was probably at least 300 people, I would say.

00:33:17.000 It's difficult to tell because it was a very spread out area.

00:33:19.000 The crowd was very spread out.

00:33:20.000 We had a former United States Attorney General there under the Johnson administration.

00:33:26.000 He also served in the Kennedy administration.

00:33:28.000 We're going to see some footage here.

00:33:29.000 Also the Carter administration.

00:33:31.000 We're going to see some footage here.

00:33:33.000 We regret that it's so...

00:33:35.000 So, concise here, but obviously we're going to get together.

00:33:38.000 We have hours of footage.

00:33:40.000 Yeah, I mean, I didn't select stuff out of here very well.

00:33:43.000 I got up here about an hour before the show, actually two hours before the show, and I just kind of slapped some cuts out of here.

00:33:48.000 We're going to put it on in its entirety a whole two hours of it.

00:33:51.000 You'll probably be able to see an hour of it Thursdays from 5 to 6 in the next few weeks during the Real News Hour.

00:33:57.000 A lot of scary information.

00:34:00.000 And you saw earlier how I griped out that FBI agent who was out there soft-soaking tags.

00:34:05.000 I just want to say one thing, Steve.

00:34:06.000 Stay tuned right here for more classics.

00:34:09.000 I just want to say one thing, Steve.

00:34:10.000 I appreciate the work you've been doing and the work everybody's been doing.

00:34:14.000 I have been working really hard on this documentary, and that's got me a little bit stressed out.

00:34:17.000 But it's so depressing when you see what's going on.

00:34:22.000 And you see people on the street that are very intelligent and come up and talk to you, or doctors or lawyers or business owners or plumbers.

00:34:30.000 They know what they're talking about and then you see those people in all the same areas of life who feel like they've reached the pinnacle because they have a few people that they can boss around and they don't care if everything's a lie.

00:34:43.000 Or a company car.

00:34:44.000 They don't care exactly.

00:34:45.000 It's baubles.

00:34:46.000 None of it means anything.

00:34:48.000 It's just real thin veneer.

00:34:51.000 And we can change things.

00:34:53.000 I mean, we have changed some things here in town with the ASAP program.

00:34:57.000 We got some modifications to that.

00:34:58.000 We exposed the helicopter base.

00:35:00.000 And then you see the sheriff up there telling you, well, yeah, yeah, it was bought under the guise.

00:35:07.000 But she said it was bought, you know, EMS. But, yeah, we're going to use it.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, we just bought two more helicopters.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, we're building a $2,031,000, three acres under the roof.

00:35:18.000 They'll put...

00:35:18.000 Fifteen helicopters in there, my friends.

00:35:20.000 They'll get free helicopters from the military.

00:35:22.000 They're handing them out like candy.

00:35:23.000 And I don't know what these helicopters are I see flying around that don't have any markings.

00:35:27.000 I've called out to Camp Mabry.

00:35:29.000 I've called out to Fort Hood.

00:35:30.000 These are not Fort Hood helicopters.

00:35:32.000 These little pod surveillance helicopters.

00:35:34.000 I saw two of them today.

00:35:35.000 Yeah, well, when I was at Waco, I made the point that I used to refuel aircraft in the Air Force.

00:35:39.000 That's what I did full time.

00:35:40.000 And I know full well what a pod looks like on the front of an aircraft.

00:35:44.000 They have flare and photograph pods on them.

00:35:47.000 Glass reflects light in a certain way that's just very unique.

00:35:52.000 And you know, through experience, that that's what those are.

00:35:55.000 Before we go to this video, real quick, I forgot to mention earlier that the alleged provocateur, one of the things he said was that Clive Doyle invited him there.

00:36:05.000 And we talked to Clive Doyle.

00:36:07.000 And what Clive said was, is that the gentleman had asked to be out there.

00:36:12.000 He hadn't been out there in five years since the original siege.

00:36:16.000 Clive Doyle said, I can't keep you from coming out here.

00:36:19.000 Now, that's not much of an invitation.

00:36:21.000 On top of that...

00:36:22.000 Well, unfortunately, I stormed off because the bus had to leave.

00:36:25.000 You rode home with somebody else because you wanted to continue.

00:36:27.000 The video cameras were gone.

00:36:29.000 But yes, Clive said, yeah, that FBI agent is out there.

00:36:33.000 I wish he wasn't here.

00:36:35.000 He's out there walking around the rubble out there with the film crews.

00:36:38.000 We stormed out.

00:36:40.000 Went out to see what he was talking about.

00:36:41.000 Right as I walk up, he's sitting up there on the rubble saying, the children died here, you know.

00:36:46.000 Koresh had unexploded hand grenades and 500,000 rounds of ammunition.

00:36:51.000 I just explode.

00:36:53.000 And go storming up to him.

00:36:55.000 And he starts going, what's your problem?

00:36:57.000 What's your problem? 0.99

00:36:58.000 And I attack him on a few things, but I should have sat there and said, you're a liar, sir. 0.96

00:37:02.000 That came out in the Senate hearings. 0.98

00:37:03.000 I'm just sick of these people.

00:37:06.000 I'll tell you, one of the other points, too, was that Clive had actually, he had asked Clive, do you think anybody will feel any animosity towards me?

00:37:13.000 And Clive told him, quite frankly, there's only one way to find out.

00:37:17.000 You know, I can't tell you.

00:37:19.000 Well, you know what the sick part was, too?

00:37:21.000 The media.

00:37:21.000 It was local media.

00:37:22.000 They were swarming this guy.

00:37:23.000 Well, they were swarming him, and I believe it was a KB24 reporter. 1.00

00:37:26.000 I walk up and I say, you're a liar. 0.96

00:37:28.000 And the guy turns and he goes, we're doing something here. 1.00

00:37:30.000 And I go, well, I need to, I said, he's a liar. 0.82

00:37:32.000 And the guy goes, hey! 0.63

00:37:33.000 And they must be used to people just quivering. 0.98

00:37:36.000 I said, you shut the hell up. 1.00

00:37:37.000 I shouldn't have been rude. 1.00

00:37:38.000 I said, I'm going to tell this guy he's a liar. 0.96

00:37:40.000 He's standing where these children died that he negotiated. 0.93

00:37:43.000 They weren't negotiating, they lied.

00:37:45.000 Waco Rules of Engagement shows these guys lying to the Davidians. 0.99

00:37:48.000 Then they machine gun him and he's up there soaking up all this attention.

00:37:52.000 Half a million rounds of ammunition would have taken up at least a third of that room from the floor to the ceiling.

00:37:57.000 We did some volume calculations the other day.

00:37:59.000 He claimed that these half a million rounds of ammunition were stacked on 2x12 shelves and collapsed on top of the people, and that caused some of the blunt force injuries.

00:38:07.000 It's a very small room.

00:38:08.000 You're talking about a small room that had 20-something children and women or 30-something, and that it had half a million rounds of ammo?

00:38:15.000 Hey, even if what he said was true, which I don't think it was, why is a hostage negotiator going around doing body recovery?

00:38:21.000 I mean, isn't that forensic?

00:38:23.000 Look, look, look, look.

00:38:24.000 This guy's an agent.

00:38:25.000 He's a front man.

00:38:26.000 He's out there to soft soak.

00:38:28.000 Let's go ahead and go to the clip.

00:38:29.000 And don't forget, Ramsey...

00:38:31.000 Okay, let's go to a call.

00:38:33.000 Caller, go ahead.

00:38:33.000 Go ahead, caller.

00:38:37.000 Hang on, caller.

00:38:38.000 You're not turned up yet.

00:38:38.000 Hold on.

00:38:39.000 Yeah.

00:38:40.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:38:40.000 How you doing, caller?

00:38:42.000 Hi.

00:38:42.000 This is for Alex.

00:38:44.000 I was just wondering if you ever...

00:38:46.000 When you went down to get your license... 1.00

00:38:52.000 Because you are the mass murderer that you are. 0.99

00:38:55.000 You got arrested. 1.00

00:38:56.000 If any of the people, just general people that were there, said to hell with it, no.

00:39:03.000 No, they didn't.

00:39:04.000 As soon as I got arrested, everybody got pushed out.

00:39:08.000 It was funny.

00:39:08.000 It was like they thought I would command people to do something bad.

00:39:11.000 We were forced out of the building.

00:39:13.000 Yeah.

00:39:13.000 No, I don't mean you people.

00:39:15.000 I mean just people in general that were there.

00:39:17.000 I believe.

00:39:18.000 I heard that somebody got arrested a couple weeks after for refusing.

00:39:21.000 I hadn't heard that.

00:39:22.000 Okay, and also I was wondering what exactly did you do about your license?

00:39:27.000 Did you have to go and get it?

00:39:29.000 No, I'm just driving without a license.

00:39:31.000 And, yeah, they've taken my right to travel.

00:39:34.000 You know, that's why I went ahead and got arrested.

00:39:36.000 They kept saying, leave or we'll arrest you, or this or the, you know, on and on.

00:39:40.000 And I said, look, well, they said, you don't have to take this driver's license.

00:39:44.000 You don't have to take this driver's license.

00:39:46.000 On and on and on.

00:39:47.000 And I said, you're not going to arrest me now.

00:39:50.000 But if I don't take this, I'll be arrested out on some road when I don't have a...

00:39:53.000 You need to go from point A to point B. Well, here's the deal.

00:39:56.000 Can't cash checks at banks that I don't know?

00:39:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:59.000 They have taken my right to buy and sell.

00:40:01.000 That's what it is.

00:40:02.000 And they're going to turn up the heat and make it worse because I won't take Bill Clinton's mark.

00:40:07.000 And it is a digital number.

00:40:09.000 It is a human number.

00:40:11.000 It is a human number calculated by the separation and the ring structure of your thumbprint.

00:40:17.000 It's a digital tattoo.

00:40:18.000 I was just wondering if you ever did any kind of follow-up as to how many people just said to hell with it, I'm going with this guy.

00:40:24.000 I mean, just oblivious to...

00:40:27.000 You even being there.

00:40:28.000 I told people I didn't want them to go into jail.

00:40:30.000 There were some people that were ready to do that.

00:40:32.000 I just wanted to get attention to the fact that, hey, if you and your neighbors, ten of you.

00:40:37.000 Hold on for a second.

00:40:38.000 If you and your neighbors want to get together and go down and protest yourselves, I've done it now.

00:40:42.000 Some other people need to set up protests.

00:40:44.000 I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

00:40:46.000 It's not as far as going to jail, just people that just...

00:40:49.000 Walked out and said, hell with it.

00:40:51.000 I'm not getting my license.

00:40:52.000 Oh, you mean people already there that didn't have anything to do with the protest?

00:40:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:57.000 Oh, you know, I don't know if that happened or not.

00:40:59.000 Well, I know the news got some 18-year-old female to say these people are, you know, it's weird how they're protesting this.

00:41:06.000 I love it.

00:41:07.000 Pretty much is what was on KB24. Well, listen, thanks for your call.

00:41:12.000 Thanks for the call.

00:41:13.000 Appreciate it.

00:41:15.000 Basically, though, I don't care if others don't stand up against this.

00:41:18.000 I wish they would.

00:41:20.000 If they don't want to, great.

00:41:22.000 They can be slaves.

00:41:24.000 Is it time to go with the tape now?

00:41:29.000 Again, this is the Freedom Report every Monday evening from 7 to 8.30 p.m.

00:41:34.000 Here's the black helicopter you want to talk about.

00:41:36.000 Okay, sure.

00:41:37.000 Yeah, there's the helicopter.

00:41:40.000 It was military.

00:41:43.000 And it was flat green, and it was of a surveillance type, and it did have a pod of some type.

00:41:49.000 I've watched Discovery Channel enough to know it, a surveillance pod with either flare, forward infrared-looking infrared technology, or it was a zoom camera that they were taking photographs of us with to let it blow up.

00:42:03.000 I'm not exactly sure, but Steve Lane, again, was in the Air Force for how many years?

00:42:08.000 Three.

00:42:09.000 Three years, and he fueled aircraft.

00:42:11.000 Did you ever fuel helicopters?

00:42:13.000 Yes.

00:42:13.000 And so you've learned what the distinctive...

00:42:17.000 It has a reflection that's very distinctive.

00:42:21.000 It's very pinkish.

00:42:22.000 It's a reflection below the helicopter pod.

00:42:24.000 Yes, definitely.

00:42:27.000 The pod is in the nose.

00:42:29.000 That was a Bell Jet Ranger that you saw.

00:42:31.000 I'm not sure which model.

00:42:32.000 They have so many different models.

00:42:33.000 Bell does.

00:42:33.000 But at any rate, you can see that pod very clearly.

00:42:36.000 I don't know if you can see it very well on the film.

00:42:38.000 You can see the reflection in the film, which I was glad, because it does have a distinctive reflection.

00:42:42.000 It's kind of pinkish when you're there in person, and that's because the type of glass that these cameras sit behind, particularly if you look at them at an angle.

00:42:49.000 It reflects light.

00:42:50.000 Yeah, they're such high-quality glass, they're almost like mirrors.

00:42:53.000 Well, yes, it reflects light so that there isn't a shine on the front of the lens so they can get high-resolution photographs.

00:42:59.000 So they were flying over at an angle around and around in circles.

00:43:03.000 About three times they fly around?

00:43:05.000 You know, I didn't pay attention that long because we got the footage, and then we were looking around for other people that might have had the footage as well, that sort of thing.

00:43:13.000 Well, if we're ready now, we'll go ahead and go to about 20 minutes of tape.

00:43:18.000 This is the Freedom Report every Monday night.

00:43:20.000 Look, there's never been a good answer for that.

00:43:22.000 Jeff Jamar in the congressional hearings stated categorically that the reason why April 19th was picked was because the weather was good.

00:43:28.000 Well, if you're putting gas into a building, having a high-velocity wind operative that could dissipate the gas doesn't mean that the weather was good.

00:43:37.000 It means that it was bad.

00:43:38.000 So what did he mean, the weather was good?

00:43:41.000 Was it good for a fire?

00:43:42.000 Yeah.

00:43:43.000 It was very conducive for an arson fire.

00:43:46.000 But it wasn't very good for inserting gas that day.

00:43:48.000 So what did Jeff Tamar mean?

00:43:50.000 No one that wound up inevitably causing the death of all these people.

00:43:55.000 Who was ultimately responsible?

00:43:57.000 Agents of the FBI, agents of the federal government, and the military.

00:44:02.000 They were ultimately responsible for the deaths of all these people.

00:44:05.000 One more question.

00:44:06.000 What would you say the general public thinks is at fault?

00:44:11.000 I think the general public is in a state of confusion.

00:44:15.000 Unfortunately, yourself and the rest of the media haven't helped that much in terms of clarifying that state of confusion.

00:44:22.000 But I think that they're concerned about, yeah, who did kill the kids?

00:44:28.000 I think that the questions that are contained in the film are questions that everyone needs to answer, including yourself.

00:44:34.000 Who killed the children?

00:44:37.000 The bottom line becomes one of you have a personal obligation as a citizen.

00:44:40.000 You have a dual obligation as a reporter.

00:44:43.000 To find out what went on.

00:44:46.000 And what bothers me is that the media allows people like Buck Revell or Bob Ricks to answer questions about the issues raised in my film, and these gentlemen haven't even seen the film.

00:44:58.000 And yet they spout off like they have.

00:45:00.000 And you don't nail them for it.

00:45:02.000 You ought to.

00:45:04.000 The other thing that I find disturbing is that very few people in the media have seen the film, and yet they'll sit there and pontificate for hours about what's good or bad about it.

00:45:13.000 Well, see the film, answer the questions, and that goes for any citizen.

00:45:17.000 See the film, answer the questions.

00:45:20.000 His film documentary, Waco Rules of Engagement, was up for an Academy Award, and I think it should have won.

00:45:26.000 It is one of the best documentaries I've ever seen.

00:45:28.000 It methodically documents.

00:45:30.000 The hysteria in our government.

00:45:32.000 Mr. McNulty, I want to thank you for doing this interview.

00:45:34.000 You're welcome.

00:45:35.000 Do you think this is going to come out?

00:45:37.000 Why are you making a second documentary?

00:45:40.000 Well, the first film certainly raised all the right questions.

00:45:45.000 It didn't always have all of the answers, so I've spent some additional time and effort in trying to...

00:45:53.000 Get better answers to the questions.

00:45:55.000 Who shot first on February 28th?

00:45:58.000 Was there really gunfire from the helicopters?

00:46:02.000 Did the FBI shoot at the Branch Davidians on April the 19th in spite of their protestations?

00:46:07.000 Who were the people at the back of the building shooting at the Branch Davidians on April the 19th?

00:46:12.000 What was involved with the explosion on the top of the bunker?

00:46:16.000 During the course of the fire, how was the evidence handled or mishandled in the following investigation?

00:46:24.000 Questions like that.

00:46:26.000 So we get to deal with those issues and hopefully when we've dealt with them, we're in the process of making that film and I'm finding very little cooperation from people who were involved.

00:46:38.000 People like Bob Ricks or Jeff Jamar.

00:46:41.000 He was head of the FBI at that operation, correct?

00:46:44.000 No, Jeff Jamar was.

00:46:45.000 And Bob Ricks, he was?

00:46:47.000 He was the public spokesperson that you saw at all the news conferences.

00:46:49.000 Okay, so he was the public spokesperson for the FBI. Right.

00:46:52.000 And basically, trying to get those people to cooperate now has been like pulling teeth.

00:46:58.000 They're not interested.

00:47:00.000 Well, I can appreciate why they might not be.

00:47:02.000 But the fact of the matter is, these are the same fellows that are out bad-mouthing my film, and I think it's only appropriate first that they see the film before they bad-mouth it, and then once they've had that opportunity, that they also spend some time answering the questions raised in the film, as opposed to just being critical in sort of a general, haphazard way.

00:47:24.000 Mr. McNulty, I have seen your documentary when it premiered in Austin, Texas to a packed house at the Dovey at UT, and I was ashamed that our newspaper didn't do a front cover story.

00:47:35.000 They did it in the movie section, and they said it showed troubling information, showed federal agents firing from their sniper points and actually up...

00:47:45.000 Right next to the church or what the media would call the compound.

00:47:48.000 I know some new documentation is coming out that's even worse than just the feds firing at women and children as they tried to exit the burning building through the cafeteria area.

00:47:58.000 Now is it true that some documentation is coming out, if you want to go ahead and release this, I've heard it from others, that they actually sent in hit squads?

00:48:07.000 I don't think so.

00:48:08.000 You don't think they sent in hit squads?

00:48:09.000 No, I don't think I'm going to release any information right now under these circumstances.

00:48:15.000 Basically, we will have new information in the film.

00:48:18.000 People will be able to judge for themselves as to what went on and why it went on and who was responsible.

00:48:24.000 But no, I don't think I want to talk about that too much right now.

00:48:28.000 Due to their arrogance, they ignored this powerful information, and now it's gotten pretty big and they're starting to panic?

00:48:34.000 I don't know if panic's the right word, but certainly they've begun to pay attention where they hadn't for the past year and a half.

00:48:40.000 And ultimately...

00:48:42.000 All that tells me is these fellas have got something on their mind.

00:48:46.000 And I have contacted them recently, like Bob Ricks, and given them the opportunity to speak their piece, to state their side of the story.

00:48:56.000 And they refuse to do so.

00:48:57.000 So in my mind, all that tells me is they've got something to hide.

00:49:01.000 So if that's the case, then shame on them.

00:49:03.000 I think what went on...

00:49:07.000 The fact that it wasn't documented by the media the way it should have been probably has something to do with why you have a TV show and a radio show.

00:49:16.000 You're not exactly mainline.

00:49:17.000 But on the other hand, the birth of that type of communications is a good thing because it gives the mainline media something to think about next time they want to kowtow to the people of the Justice Department for fear of losing news sources.

00:49:34.000 So perhaps it's a good thing, and perhaps there is good that's come out of the situation at Waco.

00:49:39.000 In your opinion, who was it firing the automatic weapons?

00:49:44.000 Who was firing the automatic weapons at the back of the building on April 19th will be revealed in the new film.

00:49:50.000 In terms of, do I have any idea why the media isn't doing their job?

00:49:56.000 I don't know.

00:49:57.000 You have to go ask them.

00:49:58.000 That's what you ought to be doing right now is asking these guys why they haven't done their job relative to that.

00:50:04.000 Well, they're just errand boys.

00:50:05.000 They're just out getting the footage.

00:50:06.000 It gets cut up back home.

00:50:07.000 Yeah, and what you have to do is go and find the editors.

00:50:10.000 I've done it.

00:50:11.000 And put them on camera and ask them why is it you haven't run these stories.

00:50:14.000 Yes, sir.

00:50:15.000 Thanks a lot.

00:50:17.000 I'm serious.

00:50:19.000 Have you seen Waco Rules of Engage?

00:50:21.000 Yes, I have.

00:50:22.000 You have?

00:50:23.000 So you have seen the inventor, the man that holds three of the patents, three of the four patents on flare technology, telling you that those are sniper points firing automatic weapons.

00:50:32.000 What do you think about that?

00:50:34.000 I thought it was fascinating.

00:50:35.000 I thought it was a different perspective than I had heard before.

00:50:38.000 I don't know that...

00:50:40.000 I will base any definite opinion on it, but I thought it was interesting.

00:50:45.000 I thought it was a different perspective, and it taught me something I didn't know before.

00:50:48.000 Well, are you aware that our Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, just created ten regional teams to work with local law enforcement?

00:50:54.000 That is absolutely unconstitutional, and they're doing anti-terrorism training all around the country.

00:50:59.000 Are you aware that General Benton Parton, ex-head of Air Force Weapons Development, says that Oklahoma City was done with pinpoint strikes inside the building?

00:51:06.000 No, I wasn't aware about that.

00:51:08.000 Right up there on the podium, here at the five-year remembrance of the slaughter here, is Ramsey Clark, ex-Attorney General of the United States of America.

00:51:18.000 And he is there telling you that we are under federal control.

00:51:22.000 The military is training with local law enforcement.

00:51:25.000 This is absolute police state.

00:51:27.000 Nazi Germany is right upon us, but this time it's going to be not racial, but environmental and socialist.

00:51:33.000 It's the real deal, ladies and gentlemen, and you can't deny it.

00:51:36.000 Clark, he was Attorney General during LBJ's administration, and he sent some very stunning information that a lot of us in the freedom movement know about, but a lot of people out there in the mainstream because of the press don't know about.

00:51:50.000 He was talking about the growing police state.

00:51:52.000 Sir, would you like to make some comments on that?

00:51:54.000 Well, our government has become the greatest purveyor of violence on Earth, as Dr. King said it was in 1967. But today it's gone beyond all reasonable bounds.

00:52:06.000 Two range people like the School for the Americas to go into Chiapas, Mexico, and kill Mayan Indians who were starving to death.

00:52:16.000 Our NAFTA thing has driven their corn off the market because they can't compete with us and can't sell their surplus corn to make a little money to buy some water purifiers so their kids don't get sick and die from polluted water.

00:52:29.000 Here at home you see things like Waco which show that we carry over our militarism.

00:52:39.000 Right into our churches, to assault church people. 0.81

00:52:42.000 Well, yes, sir.

00:52:43.000 My first question is, or my first statement about this is, is you're absolutely right.

00:52:47.000 I mean, we have military training, people in black ski masks, with the MJTF, Multi-Jurisdictional Task Forces, training directly with our local law enforcement in Austin, Texas, where I'm from, and I found out that this is a nationwide movement.

00:53:00.000 Sure it is.

00:53:01.000 And the sad part is...

00:53:03.000 You know, the cop is supposed to be our friend on the beat.

00:53:06.000 He's the one who gets the cat out of the tree and takes care of the lost kids and stops someone from burglarizing a home and stuff like that.

00:53:14.000 Instead, they love to be SWAT team.

00:53:16.000 It's the thin blue line.

00:53:17.000 They're teaching them.

00:53:18.000 In fact, I've heard police...

00:53:20.000 Pretty thick blue line right now.

00:53:21.000 I've done interviews at protests and things, and the police walk up and say, stay behind the demarcation line.

00:53:25.000 And you'll hear them talking.

00:53:27.000 Watch the civilians.

00:53:28.000 They're using military terminology.

00:53:29.000 Is this dangerous?

00:53:30.000 Of course it's dangerous.

00:53:32.000 The paramilitary concept of police is a police state, you know.

00:53:37.000 And our Constitution was created to prevent a police state.

00:53:41.000 Yet our police expenditures, our creation of the fear of crime and the belief that you can solve crime by more prisons, by the death penalty, and by beating people in the head is crazy.

00:53:52.000 It's just war with our own society.

00:53:54.000 And you see it come to a head at a peaceful church outside of Waco, Texas, Mount Carmel.

00:54:00.000 And just to talk a little bit more about the police state, and I appreciate you doing this interview, Mr. Clark.

00:54:05.000 That is the dangerous part about it.

00:54:07.000 Eisenhower, Kennedy, many others warned us about the military-industrial complex, and now since we've dominated the whole planet, they are now still selling fear, but now they're selling fear of the American people.

00:54:18.000 They're making us the enemy.

00:54:20.000 Well, I think that's right.

00:54:22.000 Our prison population in Texas is the worst of all in many ways. 0.98

00:54:26.000 No free society tells people, do what we say or we'll kill you. 0.97

00:54:30.000 Yes.

00:54:30.000 I mean, that's the mentality of a police state.

00:54:33.000 Well, Mr. Clark, just a couple more questions.

00:54:34.000 Again, Attorney General in the LBJ administration, and you also worked in the Kennedy and the Carter administration?

00:54:43.000 I worked eight years Kennedy-Johnson.

00:54:45.000 I did one assignment, maybe two, for...

00:54:50.000 President Carter, the first one having to do with the hostages.

00:54:54.000 I was mistaken.

00:54:54.000 I got up in front of the podium and got it mixed up.

00:54:58.000 But the thing that I don't think that the American public realizes is that this military training is going on.

00:55:04.000 What are some things that we can do to get this reversed, hopefully?

00:55:08.000 I think we have to resist at every level.

00:55:11.000 If you don't work at the national level, you can't expect the local level.

00:55:15.000 I mean, after all, we're providing a lot of federal funds for the local level, and they love it.

00:55:19.000 And that brings control.

00:55:20.000 It brings control.

00:55:20.000 It brings technology.

00:55:21.000 It brings things they don't need, you know.

00:55:23.000 Infrared.

00:55:24.000 Who needed tanks out here?

00:55:25.000 Yeah, you've got everything that billions and billions of dollars of research and development to provide the military are now being...

00:55:32.000 It's going into civilian control.

00:55:35.000 Have you seen Waco Rules of Engagement?

00:55:37.000 Sure.

00:55:38.000 It's horrifying, isn't it?

00:55:39.000 It's horrifying.

00:55:40.000 The whole story is even more horrifying.

00:55:43.000 Sir...

00:55:44.000 I didn't actually see this last year, but I heard about it, reported, and some of the alternative press.

00:55:50.000 Is it true that last year you spoke about how the Trilateral Commission is running the country?

00:55:54.000 Well, I've criticized the Trilateral Commission for many years, but I don't really think the Trilateral Commission is running the country.

00:56:03.000 CFR? I think the same people are...

00:56:05.000 Control it.

00:56:06.000 The same people that run the CFR, the Council on Farm Relations, and the Trilateral...

00:56:10.000 Those are just front groups.

00:56:11.000 Sure.

00:56:12.000 I mean, they're just...

00:56:12.000 Meeting houses.

00:56:13.000 They're organizations through which they implement their power, and it's an international group that maintains power through the multinational corporations and the media and all the rest.

00:56:21.000 Yes, sir.

00:56:22.000 And wouldn't you say that now what you have is corporate socialism for them and slavery for us?

00:56:29.000 Well, you've got corporate wealth for them.

00:56:34.000 They don't...

00:56:35.000 It's called stealing.

00:56:37.000 It could be called stealing, although it's stealing on such a grand scale that you'd have to call it grand larceny, I think.

00:56:43.000 Well, propaganda is one of the main means.

00:56:46.000 They employ demonization, fear of crime, and things like that.

00:56:49.000 But every individual...

00:56:51.000 The Gillian principle?

00:56:52.000 Every individual has an obligation to be involved in this struggle if you want to live free and want your children who come after to live free.

00:57:02.000 You can't be a bystander.

00:57:05.000 And right now we really risk the spread of militarization throughout the world that is endangering the poor everywhere.

00:57:13.000 It's a desire to control by force.

00:57:16.000 There's so many people and so much poverty.

00:57:19.000 And there's so much technology that can destroy people that it's being employed against people everywhere.

00:57:24.000 The poor here, the poor nations abroad.

00:57:26.000 So we have to work on slashing our military budget to the bare bones.

00:57:31.000 It ought to be slashed 90%.

00:57:32.000 We've got to cut back on all hardware for police.

00:57:35.000 Police ought to serve the people, not be a force.

00:57:38.000 It shouldn't be a paramilitary concept.

00:57:40.000 It ought to be a social service concept that deals sensitively with the people.

00:57:43.000 We have to deal with the basic problems.

00:57:45.000 While we have poverty, we're going to have...

00:57:48.000 The problems that poverty creates.

00:57:50.000 Poverty is the mother of crime.

00:57:51.000 Plato told us that 2,500 years ago.

00:57:53.000 And it was pretty obvious then.

00:57:55.000 It's pretty obvious now.

00:57:56.000 I have one more speaker that I'd like to introduce.

00:58:00.000 And he didn't even know he was going to talk here today.

00:58:03.000 But it's the talk show host that put together the busload of people that came up from Austin, Texas.

00:58:11.000 He's on radio station KJFK in Austin.

00:58:15.000 There's a program called The Real Spin.

00:58:18.000 His name is Alex Jones.

00:58:20.000 Alex.

00:58:21.000 Yeah!

00:58:22.000 Yeah!

00:58:23.000 Well, it's hard to speak after Ramsey Clark, attorney general, You hear what he was just telling you?

00:58:33.000 There is a massive consolidation of local police departments under federal control, the Multi-Jurisdictional Task Force and the JTF-6, which is based at Fort Bliss, Texas.

00:58:45.000 They wear black ski masks.

00:58:47.000 They train in military tactics.

00:58:49.000 And they are the big gun and the long arm of the IRS and the criminal system that is running this nation.

00:58:56.000 Make no mistake, the murders of these people and these children was about one thing and one thing only.

00:59:02.000 It was about terrorism against the American people.

00:59:06.000 It was about testing and pushing the limits to see if the government could surround a group, if they could kill those people and burn it to the ground.

00:59:14.000 Waco Rules of Engagement shows the automatic weapons fire as men and women tried to exit the back of the building.

00:59:20.000 That's where most of the bodies were found, right in the edge.

00:59:23.000 Hit squads, military black ops, the same ones that destroyed Oklahoma City, just like Hitler burnt the Reichstag in 1933. I mean, where is our country when Ex-Attorney Generals of the United States of America are here telling you that Reno and the rest of them and the Republicans and the Democrats are all the same people.

00:59:46.000 I mean, it just makes my heart swell with pride that we do have people like Ramsey Clark and others and this whole crowd out here that is standing in defiance of tyranny.

00:59:57.000 And I'll take a line from that movie Braveheart.

01:00:03.000 What would you give dying in your bed all these years from now to have just once stood up in defiance of tyranny to put on the armor and to ride out on the field against the enemy?

01:00:14.000 And violence is not the way to go.

01:00:16.000 They are the ones that use violence.

01:00:18.000 They are the ones that are dangerous.

01:00:24.000 Understand that.

01:00:25.000 We've got to use information like Waco Rules of Engagement.

01:00:30.000 I mean, that documentary is so powerful because it doesn't exaggerate.

01:00:33.000 It doesn't lie.

01:00:34.000 For three hours, it lays out the information for you to see.

01:00:38.000 And where is the mainstream media editing this information out?

01:00:42.000 You have federal agents killing men, women, and children.

01:00:46.000 They came that day and opened fire.

01:00:49.000 First, helicopters came in and assaulted, and now we find out, and it's going to come out in the next documentary, and think about this, that they sent in death squads with breathing apparatus to kill those people inside because they couldn't have any witnesses of what really happened on the first day of the 51-day standoff.

01:01:09.000 So we're dealing with murder, we're dealing with terrorism against the American people, and this is nothing new in the history of the world.

01:01:17.000 Authoritarian regimes always seek to control the modes of finance, the printing of money, transportation, food production, you name it, it's all coming under federal control under the guise of environmentalism, which is nothing but a cult now.

01:01:33.000 It's very, very serious.

01:01:36.000 Somebody has got to stand up.

01:01:38.000 More people have got to stand up.

01:01:40.000 FEMA. Under Senate Resolution 21 is building hundreds of concentration camps on military bases, set up for families, areas for men, areas for women, areas for women with children, and areas for men who have families on the other side of the camp.

01:01:58.000 And by the way, they have triple the guard towers, and I have played this many times on my television show.

01:02:03.000 It's just out of control.

01:02:04.000 I have congressmen on tape, Henry B. Gonzalez and others admitting this.

01:02:10.000 Look at the world.

01:02:11.000 And then I'm going to get off here because others have a lot more to say than me.

01:02:15.000 Hitler killed 40 million. 0.56

01:02:17.000 The communists in Russia killed about 100 million.

01:02:19.000 The communist Chinese, we're not sure, 100, 200 million.

01:02:22.000 And it's still going on.

01:02:23.000 We're buying slave goods from these people. 0.60

01:02:25.000 They're moving into Long Beach Naval Base.

01:02:28.000 They're moving into the high desert of California at Victorville and Atalanto and building 20 mini-malls to bring in slave goods directly. 0.78

01:02:36.000 This is a de-industrialization of our...

01:02:38.000 And it is just sick what's happening to our country, and people have got to stand up against it if freedom is going to survive.

01:02:46.000 And the plans are there.

01:02:48.000 Make no mistake, but don't be fearful.

01:02:51.000 People that lay down.

01:02:52.000 I mean, ask yourself, how did the Germans allow Hitler to come to power?

01:02:56.000 They believed it's propaganda.

01:02:57.000 Most of the death camps were off in Poland.

01:03:00.000 Keep it away.

01:03:00.000 Keep it on military bases.

01:03:02.000 Keep it behind closed doors.

01:03:03.000 This is what's happening.

01:03:05.000 Make no mistake, and the mainstream media is going around.

01:03:09.000 Last week in Austin, a mainstream media station went out and had reporters on the street asking, where will terrorists strike next?

01:03:17.000 They're introducing this into the psychology.

01:03:19.000 They're creating a new cosmology of fear and preparing people for terrorism.

01:03:25.000 And I just want to warn you one more time.

01:03:27.000 State-sponsored terrorism is the number one brand worldwide.

01:03:32.000 Oklahoma City was terrorism.

01:03:35.000 What happened right here where I'm standing in Waco?

01:03:39.000 Back in 1993, on April 19th, with state-sponsored terrorism, it was a test to see if you'd lay down.

01:03:45.000 And I'm telling you something, they're taken back now because their propaganda and their lies worked for a while, but you see that the polls are changing.

01:03:52.000 More and more people are waking up to what's happening.

01:03:55.000 So I want to challenge you to talk to ten people a week, get them to see Waco Rules of Engagement.

01:04:01.000 I have nothing to do with this documentary, but it's so incredibly powerful.

01:04:05.000 You have got to get this and get it into congressmen's hands, your friends' hands, Judges in your local cities because this can be a revelation to the people of America, to the people that just want to be pragmatic, to the people that are just relativists and don't care as long as charity doesn't come knocking on their door.

01:04:25.000 And I'll just paraphrase this.

01:04:26.000 We've all heard the famous quotes and statements.

01:04:31.000 When they came for the Jews, They didn't come for me, so I left it alone. 0.99

01:04:36.000 When they came for the Catholics, when they came for all these different groups, I stayed there. 1.00

01:04:39.000 And finally, when they came for me, there was nobody left.

01:04:45.000 This is the real deal.

01:04:46.000 This is human history.

01:04:48.000 This is not some foggy conspiracy theory.

01:04:51.000 I have to tell you, three years ago, four years ago, I thought what happened at Waco was wrong.

01:04:55.000 But I thought, I mean, I believed a little bit of the propaganda.

01:04:58.000 I thought, well, you know, this and that.

01:05:00.000 And the more I studied this, The more I found out it's worse than even what Waco Rules of Engagement or Day 51 had to offer.

01:05:08.000 And that's why I'm glad that they're coming out with a new documentary because this is what it's going to take.

01:05:13.000 It's going to take information to the public.

01:05:15.000 Information is power.

01:05:16.000 So stop reacting and start acting and stand up against this police state or we're going into 100% taxation, 100% tyranny.

01:05:26.000 And just because it's packaged sweetly and has a nice, flashy, The exterior of the interior is barbed, wire, and pure slavery.

01:05:35.000 Thank you all for being here.

01:05:37.000 Should we play just a few minutes of the FBI guy again, or do you just want to wrap it up?

01:05:50.000 I'd like to see a bit of that again.

01:05:53.000 Again, I want to thank you.

01:05:54.000 I want to thank Mike.

01:05:55.000 I want to thank Melissa.

01:05:56.000 I want to thank Scott.

01:05:57.000 I want to thank Jeff.

01:05:58.000 I want to thank, what's the other guy's name?

01:05:59.000 I'm brain dead here.

01:06:01.000 Scott, Jeff, you covered it all.

01:06:03.000 Norman, yes, Norman.

01:06:04.000 Yeah, I apologize for that.

01:06:05.000 We had problems with the website connection.

01:06:07.000 There are so many people working hard, and I'm not going to make a call for volunteers.

01:06:11.000 Get out there and do it yourself.

01:06:13.000 Do something.

01:06:14.000 Make your own newsletter.

01:06:17.000 Do whatever it takes.

01:06:18.000 And the people out there that have means, that think of themselves as part of the establishment, it's time for you to do your job out there, middle class. 0.96

01:06:25.000 It's time for you to stand up because you're being raped. 0.65

01:06:28.000 You're being abused. 0.96

01:06:28.000 The tax system is raising. 0.96

01:06:30.000 The tax brackets are expanding.

01:06:31.000 And one thing that scared me was the nightly news last night showed this FBI front man, this soft soaker, more than they showed anybody else.

01:06:42.000 And they kept saying mistakes were made.

01:06:44.000 Mistakes were made.

01:06:45.000 No mistakes were made.

01:06:47.000 Clinton wanted to flex his muscles.

01:06:49.000 He was being called impotent back in 93. They went in there and they killed those people.

01:06:55.000 They opened fire that day.

01:06:56.000 Helicopters opened fire.

01:06:58.000 They set the place on fire 51 days later, and now information is coming out that they actually went inside.

01:07:04.000 Hey, we got the clip of the news from last night.

01:07:06.000 Oh, we have the clip from the news.

01:07:07.000 Let's go ahead and go to that.

01:07:12.000 Ask why.

01:07:13.000 It's an image burned into the memory of America.

01:07:16.000 Five years ago today, fire consumes the Mount Carmel Center near Waco with 80 people inside.

01:07:21.000 It was the tragic end to a 51-day standoff after federal agents tried to arrest David Koresh on weapons charges.

01:07:27.000 In tonight's top story, KB24's Danny Hermosillo tells us now the Davidians have found some unlikely allies for their cause.

01:07:36.000 The tragic end to the Branch Davidian standoff still takes its toll among the survivors.

01:07:44.000 Sheila Martin and others remember these names as friends, children, and spouses.

01:07:49.000 Many times I think of it as like I've really been in a continual funeral.

01:07:54.000 It's like I live it every day.

01:07:57.000 I see the faces.

01:07:58.000 There's a new face on the scene of the standoff.

01:08:01.000 Mount Carmel now houses a museum that attracts those searching for the truth behind the tragedy.

01:08:05.000 That search has drawn some unlikely supporters.

01:08:09.000 We have to engage in the struggle for the duration until the truth is known.

01:08:13.000 Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark now represents the surviving Davidians in their wrongful death suit against the government.

01:08:19.000 It's not a matter of taking sides.

01:08:21.000 It's not the government against the people or the people against the government.

01:08:24.000 It's the people's government working for the rights of the people.

01:08:28.000 That's where I recover the majority of the bodies.

01:08:31.000 Ferris Rookstool also defends the Davidians. 0.96

01:08:35.000 Women and children were kind of huddled up into this corner section.

01:08:38.000 The former FBI agent recovered many of the bodies and gathered the evidence after the fire.

01:08:43.000 He says the government mishandled the situation.

01:08:46.000 There were major mistakes made in this case, not only from the way things were handled, but the way things were negotiated and the way things were...

01:08:53.000 We're affected in the form of trying to take control of the crime scene.

01:08:58.000 These 82 trees were planted as living memorials to the Branch Davidians killed during the standoff.

01:09:03.000 And as they continue to grow, so does the myth surrounding the siege.

01:09:06.000 But maybe in time there will be a blade of truth as to what really happened.

01:09:10.000 In Waco, Daniel Mosillo, KV24 News.

01:09:15.000 Okay, I want a close shot for this.

01:09:17.000 I'm going to explain something to people.

01:09:20.000 I want to explain this to the people out there.

01:09:22.000 I want them to look in my eyes because I'm not exaggerating when I tell you this.

01:09:26.000 Did you hear them?

01:09:27.000 The myth.

01:09:28.000 The myth that surrounds it.

01:09:30.000 The myth of Waco.

01:09:32.000 And maybe someday a blade of truth will come about what really happened.

01:09:36.000 You see, they'll never give you the information.

01:09:39.000 Waco Rules of Engagement shows the government's own footage as they shoot those people and as the tanks drive in.

01:09:44.000 And the new documentary coming out will document...

01:09:48.000 The special forces, black ops military squads, probably the same one that blew up Oklahoma City, went inside there and shot those people from the inside and the outside.

01:09:58.000 Now we've got them shooting them from the outside.

01:10:01.000 And that FBI agent gets up there, who's a rude, surly slimeball off camera, and I'm an obnoxious freedom fighter on camera, and a nice guy off camera.

01:10:10.000 But what it comes down to is, they're lying to you.

01:10:14.000 They're placating you.

01:10:16.000 They're subverting you.

01:10:18.000 Why don't you get angry? 0.86

01:10:22.000 KVUE24, you make me sick. 1.00

01:10:25.000 You make me want to vomit.

01:10:27.000 I wish you to come out with a report about how bad they were like you have for the last five years.

01:10:33.000 It's wrong to come out now after new evidence and say, well, maybe someday we'll get some truth about the myth.

01:10:42.000 Yes, we know what really happened.

01:10:44.000 It's not a myth.

01:10:46.000 Anything to say, Steve?

01:10:47.000 Yeah, something that bothers me about this is this guy sits here and claims mistakes were made.

01:10:52.000 Mistakes were made.

01:10:53.000 If mistakes were made, where are the indictments?

01:10:57.000 I mean, if you or I made a mistake and accidentally killed 82 people, 33 of them women and children, where the hell would we be right now?

01:11:04.000 What they meant to happen, happened.

01:11:06.000 They went in there professionally, held the media back three miles.

01:11:10.000 I think it was five.

01:11:11.000 Yes, well, a German crew stayed at three.

01:11:13.000 And that's how they were able to get it with a telephoto lens.

01:11:16.000 But nobody ever saw the back of the building, but thank God that the defense attorney snuck out the FLIR footage and got this in Waco Rules of Engagement, and the government is very angry.

01:11:28.000 Now, we're going to show you a quick clip one more time of me confronting the FBI agent, the soft soaker. 0.96

01:11:34.000 You see, if I come over and rob your house, but then I come over and apologize once you find out, you might forgive me.

01:11:40.000 We're not going to forgive them.

01:11:42.000 There he is.

01:11:43.000 Over there talking about how Koresh had live hand grenades.

01:11:46.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:47.000 I watched the Senate hearings.

01:11:48.000 I read the court transcripts.

01:11:49.000 Those were paperweights, sir.

01:11:51.000 He was over there acting like the good FBI agent that said there was some problems.

01:11:55.000 Then the media began to get smart-mouthed with me.

01:11:58.000 And I got so angry I didn't even have some of my information.

01:12:01.000 But I heard him over there lying, and I just had to tell him what I thought of him.

01:12:05.000 Here is that actual confrontation. - We have live hand grenade with old England recovered as well.

01:12:13.000 Of course, right out here in front was where the-- - That didn't come out in the trial. 0.77

01:12:18.000 You're some kind of provocateur.

01:12:19.000 In fact, you're one of those FBI agents, aren't you?

01:12:20.000 We're in the middle of one of our interviews right now. 0.83

01:12:22.000 I don't personally, I don't give a damn.

01:12:24.000 I don't give a damn about two either.

01:12:25.000 Oh yeah, you're not going to do anything to me. 1.00

01:12:27.000 These people are murderers. 1.00

01:12:29.000 These people are murderers. 1.00

01:12:30.000 I'm sick and tired of hearing your lies when you machine gunned a bunch of men, women, and children. 1.00

01:12:34.000 You got a big problem, buddy. 0.99

01:12:36.000 You sit over here.

01:12:37.000 I'm not afraid of you guys.

01:12:38.000 I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I'm sick of it. 0.99

01:12:40.000 You sit over here and you talk about how the children huddled in the corner and how the ammunition that they had is what killed them, all the rest of your garbage. 0.99

01:12:47.000 You ought to be ashamed of yourself. 0.99

01:12:49.000 You don't stand up for the Constitution.

01:12:50.000 You stand for zip, not a zero.

01:12:52.000 I heard that.

01:12:52.000 You have no calm aplomb.

01:12:54.000 It's false, my friend.

01:12:55.000 And let me tell you, a lot of people are writing down your names.

01:12:58.000 You can follow people around.

01:12:59.000 You can harass people.

01:13:00.000 You can back up your bankster buddies.

01:13:02.000 But a revolution of peaceful information is coming.

01:13:05.000 And when it comes time, you people are going to be brought to punishment.

01:13:08.000 Do you understand?

01:13:08.000 Just like Nuremberg.

01:13:10.000 Just taking orders doesn't cut it, my friend.

01:13:12.000 Do you understand me?

01:13:14.000 I think I've assessed you.

01:13:15.000 Yeah, oh, you've assessed me.

01:13:17.000 Listen, you can sit there and say some kind of little joke. 0.99

01:13:19.000 All your texts put garbage, my friend. 0.95

01:13:21.000 I got people like General Parton, ex-head of Air Force Weapons Development. 0.97

01:13:25.000 We know the federal government destroyed Oklahoma.

01:13:27.000 It's proven.

01:13:28.000 We know what you guys are engaged in, just like Hitler burnt the Reichstag. 0.57

01:13:31.000 We know you brought Nazis over here through the rat line to set up our CIA after the OSS. So you can't sit here. 0.84

01:13:38.000 You can assess me all day.

01:13:39.000 I want you to assess me.

01:13:40.000 I've assessed you. 0.66

01:13:41.000 A smiley face slime ball.

01:13:43.000 Sits here in soft pedals and tries to placate the media.

01:13:47.000 Waco Rules of Engagement shows your agents machine gunning men, women, and children as they tried to exit.

01:13:53.000 One of the inventors of flare technology.

01:13:54.000 They didn't have 500,000 rounds of ammunition.

01:13:56.000 I just talked to Clive Doyle.

01:13:58.000 Oh, okay.

01:13:59.000 And Clive is the expert on the total number of pieces of ammo.

01:14:02.000 Yes.

01:14:03.000 Oh, he is?

01:14:04.000 Yes.

01:14:04.000 Well, Clive's the one that invited me here.

01:14:06.000 That is lie number one.

01:14:08.000 We talked to Clive Doyle.

01:14:11.000 And he did not invite this gentleman there.

01:14:14.000 Clive Doyle is one of the surviving Branch Davidians.

01:14:17.000 And then lie number two is the fact that this FBI negotiator, who was there during 51 days, sits up there.

01:14:24.000 And says sarcastically that, oh, Clive Doyle was the expert.

01:14:28.000 You couldn't fit 500,000 rounds of ammunition in a small room above the storage area.

01:14:34.000 This guy just sits up there and acts like Mr. Loving and Mr. Caring to the media, and it makes you want to vomit.

01:14:41.000 A real FBI agent is somebody like Frederick Whitehurst, ex-head of the FBI crime lab, that left because of all types of corruption.

01:14:49.000 And one more point that we need to make about this, Steve.

01:14:53.000 To everybody out there, I later asked him, but I actually messed up putting the video on there, so we'll have that for you next week or something.

01:15:00.000 I asked him, well, hey, if you're against this, how about indictments for the FBI agents and the secret black ops squads that shot the men, women, and children?

01:15:07.000 Just like they shot Randy Weaver, a pregnant woman, nursing a baby in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in the head.

01:15:15.000 No indictments, though.

01:15:16.000 He wasn't for the indictments, was he?

01:15:18.000 Now tell us real fast what he talked about in person with you.

01:15:21.000 Well, they said that to you, this was all about entertainment.

01:15:25.000 They were the ones sitting there laughing.

01:15:27.000 They were the ones sitting there seemingly having a good time, standing at the very spot where 33 women and children were baked to death and suffocated.

01:15:38.000 I wasn't laughing, but the news crew was laughing.

01:15:41.000 No, you were standing there fact after fact after fact.

01:15:43.000 Some of them admittedly confused because you weren't prepared for that moment.

01:15:46.000 I walk up and he's going, Koresh had explosives, killed the children.

01:15:50.000 But to sit there and accuse Alex of saying this is all about entertainment to him, I know him personally.

01:15:55.000 This is nothing about entertainment to Alex.

01:15:57.000 Look, David, all of us, we all hate it.

01:16:01.000 And David Koresh...

01:16:02.000 The children didn't deserve to die, and the important point is David Koresh invited the sheriff in, and the sheriff says it on Waco Rules of Engagement, and the BETF twice.

01:16:09.000 They came and pulled up and opened fire on those people.

01:16:12.000 All right, that's the Freedom Report.

01:16:14.000 Steve, good job.

01:16:15.000 I want to thank the crew.

01:16:17.000 My documentary's going to be done in the next few days, and I'll be much more rested.

01:16:20.000 No more 14-, 15-, 16-hour days.

01:16:23.000 Of course, the Freedom Report is every Monday night.

01:16:26.000 And that is from 7 to 8.30 p.m.

01:16:28.000 My show, Exposing Corruption, is tomorrow night from 8.30 to 11 p.m.

01:16:32.000 I want to thank everybody.

01:16:33.000 And remember, the information you're being given by the mainstream press is a lie.

01:16:38.000 They want to talk about fables?

01:16:39.000 They're the ones that are selling you a fable.

01:16:41.000 They want to talk about patriots for profit?

01:16:43.000 I don't get paid $7.5 million a year like Tom Brokhoff or Peter Jennings.

01:16:49.000 I'm putting my life on the line to bring you this information, to stand up to bullies and thugs.

01:16:53.000 And there's nothing worse than a soft soaker.

01:16:55.000 I wouldn't have screamed at an FBI agent that was being honest.

01:16:58.000 Okay, guys.

01:16:59.000 I'll see you tomorrow night, 8.30, Channel 10. Thanks a lot to everybody, and thank you, Steve Lane.

01:17:04.000 Thank you, Alex.

Alex Jones Show - June 29, 1998

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