Ali Dawah - August 19, 2023


2 PRO LGBQT VS MUSLIM

Topics
incestual relationships oppression of homosexual people trolley problem
Hosted by
Ali Dawah
Mentioned
Josh Simon Ali Dalla Paul
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20 minutes

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4,781

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746

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Misogyny

7

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Toxicity

73

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47

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In this podcast, I talk about the inconsistencies between the liberal and conservative worldviews, and the reality of what is and is not allowed in our society. For example, a father and daughter having sexual relations when they are both consenting adults, and a mother and her daughter being intimate with her own biological child when she is just 16 years old.

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00:00:17.520 The reason being I talk about this is because I want to deal with a problem at its root.
00:00:21.040 I don't want to go to the leaves, I want to go to the root of the tree.
00:00:23.440 So I believe that when you don't have God in your life,
00:00:25.440 when there is no objective morality, what happens is society starts breaking down.
00:00:29.520 And I tie that back to not having God in your life.
00:00:31.920 So that's my argument, you might disagree with it.
00:00:34.160 I see your argument, I hear it.
00:00:36.000 So the reason I say is this, because at the end of the day,
00:00:38.960 when it comes to inconsistencies, we have the LGBTQ community
00:00:42.960 who is saying that we are born in this way.
00:00:44.800 But when a person comes and says, I want to have an ancestral relationship,
00:00:48.160 they are shunned.
00:00:49.200 And I say, well, hold on a second, be consistent with your liberal worldview.
00:00:52.000 If a man and his daughter or a brother and his sister who are 16 are going to use...
00:00:56.560 That's completely different.
00:00:57.520 If there's kids, can you guys...
00:00:58.880 It's two consenting adults or you have a family relationship with a child.
00:01:02.080 Do you think that's fine that a father has intimacy with his 18-year-old daughter?
00:01:09.040 No.
00:01:09.680 One second, one second, one second, one second.
00:01:11.760 That's not the same thing.
00:01:13.280 I want to...
00:01:14.160 This is why you need God.
00:01:15.920 Let me tell you why.
00:01:16.800 The moment I said that...
00:01:17.760 It's not why you don't need God,
00:01:18.720 because I can see it from a rational perspective.
00:01:20.640 But okay, this is...
00:01:21.840 I'm a rational person.
00:01:22.560 So Josh and Simon, one second, Paul.
00:01:24.320 Josh and Simon, the moment I said...
00:01:26.720 Two gay people are both consenting adults.
00:01:28.400 Josh and Simon, hear me out.
00:01:29.760 They are two consenting adults.
00:01:30.720 Hear me out.
00:01:31.120 And incest is not very good because it's bad for the child.
00:01:33.040 The child might be born with like...
00:01:34.240 There's no children.
00:01:34.720 There's condoms, no children.
00:01:35.760 Which is why...
00:01:36.480 No, no, no.
00:01:36.720 No children.
00:01:37.360 No practical reason why being gay is bad for anybody else.
00:01:39.760 That's why it's accepted for society.
00:01:41.360 It's not only bad for them, it's bad for society.
00:01:43.120 But let me tell you my point.
00:01:44.160 The moment I mentioned incest...
00:01:45.920 The moment I mentioned incest...
00:01:47.120 You've spoken a lot of this discussion.
00:01:49.120 I heard you, I heard you.
00:01:50.560 I apologize if I spoke of you.
00:01:52.000 No, no, no.
00:01:52.400 I just wanted to hear you.
00:01:53.120 But hear me out.
00:01:53.840 When I mentioned a father and a 18-year-old grown adult woman...
00:01:59.440 You said daughter, but whatever.
00:02:00.640 Doutor.
00:02:01.280 I'm saying it again.
00:02:01.920 Doutor.
00:02:02.480 His biological daughter who's 18 years old.
00:02:05.920 Legally, it's correct.
00:02:07.600 Both of your faces changed.
00:02:08.640 And he said that is irrational.
00:02:10.080 Can you tell me how?
00:02:11.200 This is what I'm saying.
00:02:12.000 When you don't have God, there's inconsistencies.
00:02:15.680 How?
00:02:16.320 18-year-old girl, 18-year-old girl, their father...
00:02:19.760 They say, look, look.
00:02:20.640 There was, there was, there was...
00:02:22.000 Okay, but make the point once I finish my point.
00:02:24.480 Even happening in the UK, a father and daughter had intimacy.
00:02:29.920 Yes?
00:02:30.320 Not only that, they actually had a child.
00:02:31.520 But forget that.
00:02:32.080 Let's say they use condoms.
00:02:33.760 Yeah?
00:02:34.400 Please tell me on your worldview, how is that wrong?
00:02:37.520 And why doesn't the LGBTQ community add I for incest at the end? 1.00
00:02:41.680 I want to know why.
00:02:42.240 Because that's inconsistency to me.
00:02:43.600 It's because it's still like, in the sense.
00:02:45.520 It's still like...
00:02:46.640 It's still basically...
00:02:48.400 In that case, the father is still manipulating the daughter.
00:02:51.280 How?
00:02:52.080 She's an adult.
00:02:52.640 100%.
00:02:53.120 Because the father is in a coercive position.
00:02:54.640 She's an adult.
00:02:55.360 The father knows this child since they were a little baby. 0.98
00:02:57.360 And now he's f***ing it. 0.95
00:02:58.400 Yeah. 0.98
00:02:58.720 She's an adult.
00:02:59.360 She's an adult.
00:03:00.080 One second.
00:03:00.480 But he was a child.
00:03:01.200 So why is there a legal issue?
00:03:02.560 One second.
00:03:03.200 One second.
00:03:03.680 You can, you can have a 35-year-old man manipulate a 16-year-old girl.
00:03:08.160 So, but the law says, is she 16?
00:03:09.680 Yes.
00:03:10.000 She has a right to sex. 1.00
00:03:11.760 Now, I'm saying, why when... 0.93
00:03:13.600 This is a father daughter.
00:03:14.640 It can be a mother son.
00:03:15.680 It can be a brother sister.
00:03:17.840 Why is that wrong?
00:03:20.000 From your worldview.
00:03:20.720 Can I just stop it?
00:03:21.280 Why?
00:03:21.600 You said it's just wrong.
00:03:22.400 Why?
00:03:22.720 I want to stop you a second and ask you why you think it's similar to being gay. 0.63
00:03:26.480 Simple. 0.89
00:03:27.040 Let's talk about being gay.
00:03:27.840 I'm going about my life in society.
00:03:29.440 I'm a law-revised citizen.
00:03:30.560 I go and meet somebody who's the same gender as me. 0.99
00:03:32.640 I have a nice relationship with them and I have sex with them. 0.96
00:03:35.120 How is that the same? 0.95
00:03:36.240 Okay, can I explain why?
00:03:37.120 How is that the same?
00:03:37.600 Okay, you asked me a question.
00:03:38.880 You said two men who are homosexual, who meet each other, two women for that matter, no problem. 0.98
00:03:44.480 They have, they have intimacy, they have sex. 0.95
00:03:46.160 What is wrong with that?
00:03:47.040 I say, let's go with your worldview.
00:03:48.800 Nothing wrong with it.
00:03:49.920 Why is it wrong for an adult man and his adult daughter or an adult woman and her adult son or two siblings 0.90
00:03:58.880 who are both adults going about their life, one second, one second, no, no, no, why, why is it bad?
00:04:04.720 You think it's good?
00:04:05.440 No, I'm saying why is it bad from your worldview?
00:04:07.440 You think it's good?
00:04:08.320 No, I believe it's wrong.
00:04:09.120 But why is it wrong?
00:04:10.320 Because I have objective morality, because God tells me.
00:04:12.800 But why?
00:04:13.200 Why did God say that?
00:04:14.080 Okay, very, very simple, good.
00:04:15.520 So I believe this is wrong because we have an objective morality which ties to God.
00:04:19.040 You guys have a subjective morality.
00:04:20.480 What does God say though?
00:04:22.080 That says it's incestual relationship is not permissible.
00:04:24.000 But why then?
00:04:24.640 Why?
00:04:25.200 Surely God says it's not permissible.
00:04:26.640 Because he said so.
00:04:27.360 There's no more detail.
00:04:28.080 Yeah, yeah, for example, for example, no, no, for example, the point I'm saying, remember,
00:04:35.040 one second, the point I'm saying is we have objective morality.
00:04:38.480 You guys are subjective, but tell me why that's wrong.
00:04:41.680 One second, this is what I'm saying.
00:04:43.120 Our morality comes from ancient Greece.
00:04:43.920 Thank you.
00:04:44.320 That's what we've inherited, living in the West. 0.92
00:04:46.000 Thank you, yes, exactly.
00:04:47.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:47.520 So now tell me why is it wrong for incestual relationship? 0.52
00:04:50.320 You said there's a difference.
00:04:51.600 There's two reasons.
00:04:52.240 They say we're born like that.
00:04:53.680 I love my daughter, my daughter loves me.
00:04:55.360 Or I love my sisters, my sister loves me.
00:04:57.920 Why are you guys against that?
00:04:59.280 You are now going against the liberal paradigm.
00:05:01.600 This is bad for the child.
00:05:02.880 There's no children.
00:05:03.760 There's no children.
00:05:04.880 No, no, no, but if they had a child.
00:05:06.080 No children.
00:05:06.720 That child could be very unwell.
00:05:08.080 No children.
00:05:08.800 And also it's really like...
00:05:09.680 No kids.
00:05:10.720 You're very disturbing.
00:05:11.920 Can a man and a man have a child? 0.99
00:05:13.920 No, but they can adopt a child.
00:05:15.520 Okay, they can adopt a child too.
00:05:17.120 A brother and sister can adopt a child.
00:05:18.240 Now tell me why is that wrong.
00:05:19.440 I'm just trying to be fair.
00:05:20.320 If a brother and sister were not having sex and decided between the two of them to adopt a child,
00:05:23.680 I don't know if I would see anything wrong with that.
00:05:25.040 Thank you.
00:05:25.760 Now what I'm saying is, then why...
00:05:27.680 Okay, so are you pro incest now?
00:05:29.600 No, that's not incest.
00:05:31.360 No. 0.98
00:05:32.000 Incest is having sex with your relation. 1.00
00:05:33.920 Yeah, brother and sister having sex. 0.99
00:05:35.120 You said if they adopted a child together. 1.00
00:05:36.960 No, no, they have sex. 0.66
00:05:37.920 They have protected sex. 0.98
00:05:38.800 I said if they weren't having sex.
00:05:39.920 Okay, if they have protected sex.
00:05:40.880 Oh, no, no, no, that's weird then.
00:05:42.720 Okay, you said it's weird.
00:05:44.240 Homosexuality was weird 50 years ago. 0.80
00:05:46.160 No, it wasn't.
00:05:46.800 Homosexuality was massive in ancient Rome, ancient Rome, in various parts of the world. 0.93
00:05:51.280 I know, I know that.
00:05:52.560 It's not been acceptable, it's been there.
00:05:54.000 No, no, no, no.
00:05:55.520 Just because it's acceptable doesn't make it right. 0.97
00:05:57.520 In Nazi Germany, killing the Jews were acceptable. 0.96
00:05:59.600 It doesn't make it right.
00:06:00.720 When you bring up the Nazis, you've lost the argument.
00:06:02.560 No, no, I'm saying an example.
00:06:03.520 There is to say that that is, when you bring up the Nazis, you've lost the argument. 0.98
00:06:04.960 No, I'm just saying, in those times it was okay to kill a Jew. 1.00
00:06:07.680 I'm not saying the same. 0.96
00:06:08.400 I'm saying the expecting.
00:06:10.480 I'm just saying we're consistent.
00:06:11.600 We're going to get to a point where we're going to see now as more like the Nazi Germany period of time.
00:06:14.880 No, I'm not saying that.
00:06:15.600 Where the majority of society is messing up with a subgroup of society.
00:06:18.720 Why are you rejecting incest?
00:06:20.960 Hopefully in 50 years time, it will be like the way we look back on the Nazi. 0.93
00:06:23.600 So you're saying that should we accept incestual relationships?
00:06:27.520 Mate, mate, can we just talk about something else?
00:06:28.960 No, no, no, no, no.
00:06:29.520 Because I'm really, really, really disagree.
00:06:30.640 And I'm kind of offended by the fact that you are associating homosexuality with incest.
00:06:35.680 Because it's completely different.
00:06:37.840 Josh, come on.
00:06:38.640 Josh, are you questioning somebody's love?
00:06:41.920 If a brother and sister love each other, how could you question love?
00:06:44.160 Is love not love?
00:06:45.600 Josh, is love not love?
00:06:46.640 You need to go away and take a deep breath and actually hang out and be friends with some 0.98
00:06:50.640 homosexual people and learn more about it. 0.95
00:06:51.840 I know free people. 0.96
00:06:53.040 I know free people who are homosexual. 1.00
00:06:54.720 I know free people who are homosexual and I talk to them.
00:06:56.320 No, no, no, no. 0.92
00:06:56.560 You need to, you need to, you need to like...
00:06:58.400 But you're not going against love.
00:06:59.760 Are you against love?
00:07:00.480 No, no, no.
00:07:00.800 You're being...
00:07:01.360 Love is love, Josh.
00:07:02.000 You're being antagonistic.
00:07:03.280 How? Come on, Josh.
00:07:04.000 No, you're trying to use this as an argument.
00:07:06.880 Love is love.
00:07:08.160 Then why can't brother and sister be love and love?
00:07:10.160 Because that's just wrong.
00:07:11.840 Okay, how?
00:07:12.400 On what paradigm?
00:07:13.360 On a physical basis, from a physical basis, from a health perspective.
00:07:17.360 How?
00:07:17.840 How?
00:07:18.320 How?
00:07:18.880 How?
00:07:19.040 Exactly.
00:07:19.440 And that's enough of our point.
00:07:21.680 That's enough of our point.
00:07:22.640 Boom, we made our point.
00:07:23.520 End of story.
00:07:24.160 Let's go to another topic.
00:07:25.280 No kids.
00:07:25.840 No, no, no.
00:07:26.240 There's nothing more to discuss.
00:07:27.280 But there's no kids.
00:07:28.320 We made our point.
00:07:29.280 But the reason, that's why we need God.
00:07:31.120 Do you see?
00:07:31.920 No, no, no, no.
00:07:32.480 It's not.
00:07:32.880 Because us two haven't got God and neither of us are advocating for incest.
00:07:35.440 And this is the reason why you have inconsistency.
00:07:37.040 Who is advocating for incest.
00:07:38.400 I would also point out.
00:07:39.520 You are advocating for incest.
00:07:40.880 Yes, I guess I'm a religion.
00:07:41.760 There are so many religions.
00:07:43.120 But do you see the inconsistency?
00:07:45.440 But, Simon, do you see the inconsistency?
00:07:47.520 You say love is love for homosexuality, but love is not love for a sexual relationship.
00:07:50.880 That's it.
00:07:51.360 That's double standard.
00:07:52.400 Yeah, but mate, mate, have you ever heard of something called coercion?
00:07:54.400 Have you ever heard of coercion?
00:07:55.120 Yes, I heard of it.
00:07:56.160 Do you think it's good to coerce people?
00:07:58.320 No.
00:07:58.800 No, you don't.
00:07:59.200 No.
00:07:59.600 Do you believe it? 0.97
00:08:00.000 So why do you not think our father having sex with his child would be him coercing that child? 0.75
00:08:03.360 Do you not believe in that? 0.88
00:08:04.480 Do you believe a brother can coerce a sister?
00:08:07.840 Potentially, yeah.
00:08:08.480 Okay.
00:08:08.960 Yeah, depends who's older.
00:08:09.840 Okay, good.
00:08:10.160 Depends who's more...
00:08:10.960 Okay, good.
00:08:11.760 Do you believe a man...
00:08:12.960 Do you think two gay people who meet each other are coercing each other?
00:08:15.200 Less likely.
00:08:16.160 Why less likely?
00:08:17.360 I mean, they might.
00:08:18.000 Can a 30-year-old...
00:08:20.160 I guarantee somebody here is coercing their partner to some extent.
00:08:23.600 Good, good, good.
00:08:23.840 And there is some kind of manipulation going on.
00:08:25.200 So it can happen in all areas.
00:08:26.480 Happens on all the time.
00:08:27.120 Good.
00:08:27.360 So what we're saying is, can a 30-year-old homosexual man coerce a 16-year-old homosexual boy? 0.64
00:08:31.600 Yes.
00:08:32.240 So my point is the following.
00:08:33.360 I don't know if I would advocate that.
00:08:34.720 I know, I know.
00:08:35.440 I'm not going to...
00:08:36.480 I mean, it's technically legal, but if I had a friend who was going out with a 16-year-old,
00:08:40.160 I might be like, that's a little bit weird, mate.
00:08:41.680 Why?
00:08:42.080 But legally, it's allowed.
00:08:43.200 Yeah, but I'm still allowed.
00:08:44.000 That might be...
00:08:44.640 I still might be like, oh, that's a little bit unusual.
00:08:46.480 But that's my point.
00:08:47.120 That's the only thing I'm trying to make here. 0.90
00:08:49.280 Yeah, but mate, you were saying that gay people are the same as people having incest, 0.90
00:08:52.320 which is fundamentally wrong.
00:08:52.960 But love is love.
00:08:53.600 And also incredibly offensive.
00:08:55.040 How? 0.86
00:08:55.360 Two gay people. 0.97
00:08:56.080 It's incredibly offensive. 0.90
00:08:57.440 It is very...
00:08:58.080 Incredibly offensive.
00:08:58.800 It is offensive.
00:08:59.760 But Josh, Josh, it is offensive for you to have...
00:09:04.480 You are against an incestual relationship of two people who love each other.
00:09:07.520 I can say you are now, in your liberal world view...
00:09:09.920 Right, mate, if you want to advocate for incest, that's your...
00:09:12.160 You can do that.
00:09:12.720 Why?
00:09:13.200 You can advocate for incest.
00:09:14.400 Well, it's a really interesting debate that this man here is advocating for more incest.
00:09:18.720 So you guys think...
00:09:20.160 If there's two people who want to have an incestual relationship, you're calling them weird, abnormal...
00:09:26.560 I'm sorry that I am coming down too harsh on incest.
00:09:29.200 You...
00:09:29.920 I'm sorry, I apologize.
00:09:31.200 You go for it.
00:09:31.920 You've argued the point about incest.
00:09:34.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:09:34.400 That's, you know, good for you.
00:09:35.520 I don't really know if we have any more to add to this conversation.
00:09:36.960 But it's inconsistency.
00:09:37.840 That's what I'm saying.
00:09:38.400 I don't know one thing.
00:09:39.120 One thing.
00:09:39.520 Yeah, go for it.
00:09:40.480 I don't know if you can go back when homosexuality was accepted in this country.
00:09:44.160 When was so?
00:09:45.040 Homosexuality when it was legalized. 0.97
00:09:47.120 But the cases that they were arguing was that we want to be liberal.
00:09:51.360 We're not arming anyone.
00:09:52.640 Yeah.
00:09:52.720 So they were using the harm principles.
00:09:54.240 Of course.
00:09:54.720 Right?
00:09:55.280 Now you have certain groups.
00:09:56.880 Me and Ali are not advocating for incest.
00:09:58.880 You've got certain groups in there.
00:10:00.160 I thought you was.
00:10:00.880 No, no.
00:10:01.280 I'm trying to show the double standards.
00:10:02.560 I'll tell you what.
00:10:03.280 I'm showing that you guys should be promoting that.
00:10:05.680 To your worldview.
00:10:06.320 No, no, no.
00:10:06.880 You're not understanding what we're doing.
00:10:08.160 But it's okay if you want to have a very like surface level understanding.
00:10:11.280 Let me explain.
00:10:12.160 I think your understanding is very surface layer.
00:10:14.640 But guys, can I explain it?
00:10:17.920 On what basis?
00:10:19.040 There's no harm.
00:10:20.080 On what basis?
00:10:20.800 My point is this.
00:10:21.760 Homosexuality, no harm to adults. 0.86
00:10:23.920 Good.
00:10:24.480 Incestual relationship to adults, no harm.
00:10:26.480 I'm bad.
00:10:27.280 That's my point.
00:10:28.320 On a genetic level.
00:10:29.440 No kids.
00:10:30.400 Simon.
00:10:31.440 There's no kids.
00:10:32.480 I told you there's no kids.
00:10:33.680 Incest communities are using the homosexual argument. 0.83
00:10:38.400 Thank you to the Supreme Court.
00:10:40.000 Yes.
00:10:40.400 And they're saying the law is not looking at it in a legal way.
00:10:42.400 Well, I think that's a sad state of affairs.
00:10:44.160 Thank you. 0.90
00:10:44.560 That's not making gay people look bad.
00:10:46.080 They're just trying to have a nice life.
00:10:47.360 And then pushing it out.
00:10:48.000 So is incestual.
00:10:48.800 There are some weird people that are having incest.
00:10:50.160 In the world that's happening all the time. 0.95
00:10:51.680 What if they called gays weird? 0.97
00:10:52.880 It was the incestual ones. 0.93
00:10:53.760 People say stuff all the time. 0.63
00:10:54.720 I'm allowed to say that I think it's good to be homosexual if that's what you want to do. 1.00
00:10:57.920 If love is love, it applies to everybody.
00:10:59.520 It's not good.
00:11:00.320 If love is love, it applies to everybody.
00:11:01.520 That's what I'm saying.
00:11:02.160 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:11:03.200 Obviously, that's not the case.
00:11:04.160 That's such a, that's such a, that's not a very, it's not a very nuanced debate, my friend.
00:11:08.480 It's quite a simple way of looking at the world.
00:11:10.880 Okay, we'll agree to disagree.
00:11:11.520 I don't know why, like, like, you're quite a famous debater here.
00:11:13.600 I'm not going to believe that.
00:11:14.720 But you're not looking at it with a lot of delicacy.
00:11:16.640 You're being very, very blunt, very basic in your assessment of the world, I would say.
00:11:21.120 I'm very unimpressed by your assessment of this debate into a lot of our brains, basically.
00:11:25.280 No, all we're saying is the incest community and the homosexual community have the same 0.99
00:11:29.440 guideline and same basis, and they have the same argument, yet the law looks different.
00:11:34.000 That's my point.
00:11:34.560 We're consistent in our argument and we both reject incest and homosexuality. 0.95
00:11:37.920 Both of them.
00:11:38.320 And you guys in one hand.
00:11:39.840 Why are you rejecting homosexuality?
00:11:41.120 On what basis?
00:11:42.480 That's so unkind.
00:11:43.040 On what basis?
00:11:43.920 You're literally abusive and unpleasant to a large group of British people. 0.98
00:11:47.920 You're trying to make them live in a certain way.
00:11:52.720 You're trying to control the way they live their lives.
00:11:54.640 No, we're just saying we believe it's sinful.
00:11:56.000 Having relationships with people.
00:11:56.960 No, we're just saying it's sinful. 0.99
00:11:57.920 People commit suicide because they can't be homosexual. 0.99
00:12:00.000 Do you know how much, like, oppression homosexual people feel living in society? 0.95
00:12:03.520 Literally, people either, or they don't have sex their whole life. 0.90
00:12:07.040 They live their whole life alone. 0.98
00:12:08.160 And that's a really unpleasant thing for gay people to experience. 0.93
00:12:10.960 And you don't want these people to have a little bit of happiness in their life. 0.98
00:12:13.600 And then there's all these children who need to be adopted.
00:12:15.680 And these people in this community can make the same argument.
00:12:18.640 That's my point.
00:12:19.280 You can make the same argument.
00:12:20.320 Anybody who thinks they can make the same argument.
00:12:22.640 But this is what I mean.
00:12:23.840 No, it's not an argument.
00:12:24.560 This is a terrible, terrible argument.
00:12:26.320 This is a dreadful argument.
00:12:27.680 If a brother and sister...
00:12:28.880 Okay, one second.
00:12:29.840 One second.
00:12:30.400 Guys, one second.
00:12:31.200 If a brother and sister said,
00:12:32.640 if you don't allow us to have intimacy and we love each other,
00:12:35.200 we'll commit suicide. 0.87
00:12:36.080 Would you defend their right? 0.63
00:12:38.400 Would you defend the right to a brother and sister to have intimacy?
00:12:41.360 Josh, Josh, one second.
00:12:42.800 Brother, please, man.
00:12:43.520 Brother, one second.
00:12:44.240 Brother, Josh, if a brother and sister says...
00:12:46.320 I'm not thinking of what science is.
00:12:47.840 Science would say that incest is bad. 1.00
00:12:49.520 Science, science, science is...
00:12:51.840 So if you want to go along with what science says...
00:12:53.200 Just respectfully...
00:12:53.760 Yeah, but Josh, Josh, Josh, if a brother and sister wants...
00:12:58.480 They go to the Supreme Court and say,
00:12:59.680 we love each other, we want to marry each other. 0.65
00:13:01.440 If you don't allow us, we'll commit suicide. 0.98
00:13:03.200 Would you guys be standing outside and saying we're defending sexual rights? 0.99
00:13:05.520 This is the trolley problem.
00:13:06.560 This is the trolley problem.
00:13:07.200 Would you?
00:13:07.520 Would you?
00:13:07.840 I'm saying...
00:13:08.160 It's the trolley problem.
00:13:09.360 Okay, Tesco trolley, but whatever.
00:13:10.720 Would you defend that?
00:13:11.760 You know what I mean?
00:13:12.320 I am not in that position.
00:13:12.880 Would you defend that?
00:13:13.600 I don't know.
00:13:14.480 Would you defend that right?
00:13:15.600 Because you...
00:13:16.640 If it's just going to be the two of you... 1.00
00:13:17.760 Go fucking go on it. 0.99
00:13:18.880 I don't know how I would say that. 1.00
00:13:19.840 Go, go, go away.
00:13:20.720 Thank you.
00:13:20.960 I don't know.
00:13:21.760 It is the trolley problem.
00:13:22.320 Look, look, look, look.
00:13:23.520 Go to a deep cabin.
00:13:25.760 He calls them weird. 0.95
00:13:27.200 But when we say the same about homosexuality... 0.94
00:13:30.480 Look, look, when we're against homosexuality, we're bad. 0.96
00:13:33.680 When he's against a sexual relationship, they're bad.
00:13:36.000 I don't understand.
00:13:36.960 It's inconsistency.
00:13:38.080 That's all I'm saying.
00:13:38.960 Mate, mate, your viewpoint is not entirely consistent.
00:13:41.520 I'll let the viewers decide.
00:13:42.480 But all I'm saying is, look, I'm sorry.
00:13:43.680 You'll let the viewers decide.
00:13:44.480 You know what?
00:13:44.880 I'm sorry.
00:13:45.760 But it's double standard.
00:13:46.640 Can it not be captions?
00:13:47.760 What's your name?
00:13:48.400 Ali Ali Dawa.
00:13:49.280 Can it not be captions?
00:13:50.320 Ali Dali owns two atheists.
00:13:51.840 Because I don't feel like you have owned us, necessarily.
00:13:53.760 I completely...
00:13:54.800 And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
00:13:56.240 You'll let the viewers decide, then.
00:13:57.680 Let's have a message.
00:13:58.400 This guy was advocating for incest for half an hour.
00:14:02.800 So, you know, you know.
00:14:04.160 The viewers can see.
00:14:05.600 But all I just want to see is the reason.
00:14:07.360 And also, to own us, we'd have to change our mind, which I have 100% not.
00:14:10.560 I never said the word own.
00:14:11.760 I never said, I'm not here for ego.
00:14:14.080 But this comes on those videos.
00:14:15.120 Yeah, I promise you, I'm not here to win an argument. 0.82
00:14:17.280 But I have to pull out the hypocrisies and double standards.
00:14:20.000 Same with me.
00:14:20.480 If I do that, do the same with me.
00:14:22.160 Because to me, to me, LGBTQT... 1.00
00:14:25.280 Earlier, I wanted to talk about why we're not talking about politics.
00:14:27.280 LGBTQT is in politics.
00:14:28.560 And I'm talking about it.
00:14:29.600 If love is love, and not only that, now I'll take it to a step further.
00:14:33.120 Paedophilia.
00:14:34.960 Paedophilia.
00:14:35.520 Ooh.
00:14:36.080 Yes, yes, yes.
00:14:37.600 Oh my God, what's he done?
00:14:39.200 He's dropped a bomb.
00:14:40.640 I literally did.
00:14:41.360 Again, again.
00:14:41.760 Now, the point is this.
00:14:42.800 Obviously wrong.
00:14:43.120 Obviously wrong.
00:14:44.000 Obviously wrong.
00:14:44.960 Come on, say.
00:14:45.760 Younger people.
00:14:46.480 Now, if a man, if a man, one second bro, one second.
00:14:51.120 If a man who's 35 years old, he says the legal age, the legal age in America is 14 years old.
00:14:57.360 He travels to America and he finds a boy or a girl and he says, I am in love.
00:15:02.400 And the 14 year old girl or boy says, I legally, I'm allowed.
00:15:07.840 And they say, this is love.
00:15:09.600 Do you accept that love?
00:15:10.800 No.
00:15:11.360 No.
00:15:11.920 No, it's paedophilia.
00:15:12.800 What's wrong with it?
00:15:13.440 Incest? 0.98
00:15:14.160 No.
00:15:14.720 Paedophilia?
00:15:15.520 No.
00:15:16.240 Homosexuality? 0.85
00:15:17.200 Yes.
00:15:17.600 I say inconsistency.
00:15:18.560 That's what I'm saying.
00:15:19.120 No.
00:15:19.680 I don't know what I'm saying.
00:15:20.720 Well, you're not understanding.
00:15:21.520 No, no, no, because you haven't listened to it.
00:15:22.800 That's what I'm saying, Josh.
00:15:23.440 Well, let me say two points then.
00:15:24.880 Two points.
00:15:25.360 One, two consenting adults, which is completely not the case in the other instance you gave.
00:15:29.520 Which one?
00:15:30.480 Two consistent adults.
00:15:31.760 Where's the inconsistent?
00:15:32.720 In the family of paedophilia, one of them is a little child.
00:15:35.440 No, in America, the legal age is 14.
00:15:37.680 Yeah.
00:15:38.240 And if there's a 35-year-old man.
00:15:39.600 I think a 14-year-old is not as close as I am as a 30-year-old man.
00:15:42.080 But the constitution in America says in certain states 14 is the legal age.
00:15:45.440 And that's weird.
00:15:46.080 I find that weird personally.
00:15:46.960 But that's your subjective.
00:15:47.840 Do you see why I'm saying you need religion? 1.00
00:15:50.080 Because we as religious people will say no to that, will say no to incest, will say no to homosexuality. 0.87
00:15:54.800 That's my point.
00:15:55.360 But do you know why it's 14?
00:15:56.720 Why?
00:15:57.040 Because of religion. 0.62
00:15:57.920 Because of religion. 0.62
00:15:59.200 Honestly, honestly.
00:15:59.920 Because of a culture.
00:16:00.400 America.
00:16:01.040 Because, yeah, America, 100%.
00:16:02.640 America is a...
00:16:03.280 The Deep South is in Georgia, a very religious state.
00:16:05.680 And it's because people have a tradition of marrying young.
00:16:09.760 Because they feel like they have to marry young.
00:16:11.520 Because they can't have sex before marriage.
00:16:13.440 That's a good thing.
00:16:14.640 No, but that's why you get to people getting married at 14.
00:16:16.960 No, but that's legally allowed in America.
00:16:20.320 Well, it's 14, 15, 16.
00:16:21.520 That's why people get married young. 1.00
00:16:22.960 I mean, which one is better?
00:16:24.160 A 16-year-old girl who goes and sleeps around or gets married? 1.00
00:16:27.120 Gets married.
00:16:27.840 No, no, no.
00:16:28.320 It's about how old that person is. 0.91
00:16:29.760 I have much sex. 0.79
00:16:30.320 That's what I'm saying. 0.91
00:16:30.960 Or if they want to get married, get married.
00:16:33.360 Make your point.
00:16:33.600 I would just say whatever you want to do.
00:16:34.560 My other point is about science and health and genetic diversity, which is not an issue
00:16:39.360 with gay people, but is an issue with people who are engaging in sex.
00:16:42.800 They have a right of sexual disease as well. 0.70
00:16:44.480 You agree?
00:16:44.880 Like, they do.
00:16:45.840 They did like a thing.
00:16:46.400 I wasn't sure.
00:16:46.880 I was just...
00:16:47.440 My mates had gone there.
00:16:48.480 Okay, all right, yeah, all right.
00:16:49.360 Well, they do.
00:16:50.160 There's a lot of sexually transmitted diseases amongst men.
00:16:52.480 Like, for example, because if you think about it, if there's kids, please leave the building. 0.99
00:16:57.920 If you think about it, a man is inserting his penis into another man's rectum where he... 1.00
00:17:01.200 Yeah, but there's lots of shit going on. 1.00
00:17:03.920 There's lots of stuff in heterosexual relationships. 0.99
00:17:06.320 So what?
00:17:07.200 But in a sexual relationship with a man and a woman, you see, it's wrong. 0.74
00:17:10.800 That's what I'm saying.
00:17:11.440 It's not wrong. 0.84
00:17:11.920 It's not wrong. 0.84
00:17:12.320 Okay, let's agree to disagree.
00:17:13.920 I'm sorry if you've got heated.
00:17:15.040 I'm sorry.
00:17:16.080 No, no, no.
00:17:16.640 I'm sorry if you've got heated.
00:17:18.240 No, no.
00:17:19.040 I'm sorry if you've got heated.
00:17:20.720 I'm sorry.
00:17:21.280 I can see no consent.
00:17:22.160 I'm sorry if I say it.
00:17:23.120 Neither of you, neither of you notice what the points we've made.
00:17:26.160 We've made two strong arguments to support our side of the argument.
00:17:29.680 Which is?
00:17:30.000 And neither of you have...
00:17:31.040 You said consent and harm.
00:17:32.960 I said coercion.
00:17:33.760 Coercion.
00:17:34.240 Adult coercion in a child.
00:17:35.440 Pedophilia bad.
00:17:36.240 Adult coercion in a child.
00:17:37.280 Yeah, yeah.
00:17:37.760 And I'm saying that a lack of genetic diversity, incest bad, but I'm saying two consenting adults having sex with each other is completely fine.
00:17:46.240 Valid.
00:17:46.640 And that is my argument and that is the end of the conversation.
00:17:49.120 I believe it's a good argument.
00:17:50.480 I believe it's a good argument.
00:17:51.920 However, for those who are clapping, a brother and a sister, one second, one second, coercion and genetics.
00:18:02.640 Let's deal with it.
00:18:04.000 Incestual relationship, a brother and a sister, both adults, both using condoms.
00:18:09.200 Why is that wrong for the ones that are clapping in the back?
00:18:11.360 Ali, Ali.
00:18:12.400 Of course so.
00:18:12.960 Thank you very much, Simon.
00:18:13.680 Look after yourself.
00:18:14.320 Thank you very much.
00:18:14.800 Thank you very much.
00:18:15.440 The point is very clear. 0.58
00:18:16.800 Double standards of hypocrisy.
00:18:19.440 Look, coercion and genetics, valid point. 0.78
00:18:22.000 I accept it.
00:18:22.960 Let's talk it.
00:18:23.520 Let's take it to a brother and sister. 0.98
00:18:25.440 Both adults having sex and... 1.00
00:18:28.560 Please, kids. 0.59
00:18:29.520 If we can have kids away from here, please.
00:18:30.800 My brother.
00:18:31.280 Yeah.
00:18:31.600 They're having intimacy.
00:18:32.800 You can't argue this with atheists. 1.00
00:18:35.760 That we are...
00:18:36.640 Who's setting the ground rules for them?
00:18:38.000 Yeah, we take our laws from God.
00:18:39.360 Who's setting the ground rules for them?
00:18:40.640 No, I know, I know.
00:18:42.160 No, I'm making that.
00:18:42.880 That's my point.
00:18:43.360 You can't explain it.
00:18:44.400 No, I know, okay.
00:18:44.960 It's not scientific.
00:18:45.920 No, I know, it's not scientific.
00:18:47.040 I'm talking about from...
00:18:47.840 We have the Sharia. 0.95
00:18:48.880 No, no, we're talking about the Sharia. 0.72
00:18:50.560 The point I'm saying is this.
00:18:52.000 When you don't have a legislation from God Almighty, this is the problem you face.
00:18:57.360 Because you don't have an objective morality.
00:18:58.960 We have the Sharia. 0.95
00:18:59.760 Allah says A, we follow A. Allah says B, we follow B. 0.94
00:19:03.200 But to their worldview, they say accept homosexuality.
00:19:06.480 We say, okay, why?
00:19:08.080 There's no coercion.
00:19:09.040 Genetically, no disorder.
00:19:10.480 Okay, let's use the same argument with a brother and a sister.
00:19:14.400 18, 18.
00:19:15.520 They have intimacy and they use protection.
00:19:17.760 What do they say?
00:19:18.720 That's wrong.
00:19:19.360 One rule for here, one rule for there.
00:19:22.080 This is the problem we're showing.
00:19:24.000 And you saw very clearly, they run away.
00:19:26.160 The LGBTQ community, they do not accept in sexual relationship. 1.00
00:19:30.560 Because it's bad. 0.67
00:19:31.600 But homosexuality, it's good. 1.00
00:19:33.760 There you go.
00:19:34.320 And do you know how many people are afraid to speak about this?
00:19:36.560 They lose their jobs.
00:19:37.680 They're like the mafia. 0.94
00:19:39.120 The LGBTQ community is like a mafia. 1.00
00:19:41.760 If I was working, if I was working in Tesco or next, I would have lost my job tomorrow.
00:19:48.000 My manager will be calling.
00:19:48.960 Yesterday, yesterday.
00:19:49.680 Yesterday, I would have lost my job.
00:19:50.720 Ali, did you have a discussion?
00:19:51.920 Yeah, I just gave my ideas.
00:19:53.280 You're fired.
00:19:55.040 This is the oppression.
00:19:56.400 This is what we're talking about.
00:19:57.600 Alhamdulillah, you can make your own argument.
00:19:59.520 You heard the argument and we addressed it.
00:20:01.440 That's all I need to say.
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