Ali Dawah - 36 ＂SCIENTIFIC ERROS IN THE QURAN＂ DEBUNKED - BEST ANSWER TO ATHEIST

00:00:00.280 Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh and welcome to this new series by Sapiens Institute.

00:00:06.840 This new series is going to focus on scientific errors or the supposed scientific errors narrative

00:00:13.800 which is propounded by some of the anti-Muslim apologists.

00:00:18.760 This series deals with the most notable contentions as per mentions of these particular contentions

00:00:26.500 on different anti-Islamic websites and publications.

00:00:30.940 This is brought to you by Sapiens Institute, an institute which focuses on two primary things.

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00:01:03.200 objections against Islam.

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00:01:24.060 where we consult with scientists, with theologians, with scholars of different backgrounds within the Islamic tradition

00:01:32.360 and of course with philosophers of science

00:01:35.960 to come to conclusions about the extent to which there is in fact a conflict, a supposed conflict

00:01:42.840 between what is observable to us empirically, let's say, and the Quranic text.

00:01:52.960 This of course requires knowledge in many different areas and I would like to thank all of those who contributed to this series

00:02:02.700 before I begin.

00:02:03.960 Now, this video comprises of the, as I've mentioned, most common contentions.

00:02:10.760 You may see the most common contentions in the description box below

00:02:16.860 because you might not need answers to all of them.

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00:02:36.880 In this way, this will act like a virtual web database

00:02:41.940 on the matter of supposed scientific discrepancies in the Quran.

00:02:47.220 Now, here's the thing. Before we begin, it's very important

00:02:50.720 that we say from the outset

00:02:54.200 that whatever school of philosophical thought you take on the philosophy of science,

00:02:59.860 whether you are a realist or an anti-realist,

00:03:02.940 you must realize that even the best scientific theories

00:03:07.640 with the best kind of predictive power are susceptible to change.

00:03:14.540 This is the dynamism and the transient nature of the scientific method.

00:03:19.960 If it were not so, then falsification would not be something which could happen.

00:03:25.420 So science is not a set of eternal truths and incorrigible facts.

00:03:33.820 To the contrary, science is transient and dynamic.

00:03:37.040 To the contrary, science can change.

00:03:40.340 Even that which is known to us as scientific fact

00:03:43.620 can in fact change.

00:03:45.760 As we know through the great works of Thomas Kuhn,

00:03:48.680 where he refers to these as scientific revolutions.

00:03:52.380 Not just scientific facts change,

00:03:54.860 but the entire paradigm where in which science operates

00:03:58.540 may undergo what is referred to as scientific revolution.

00:04:02.220 This has happened many times in history.

00:04:04.800 And so it's important from the outset not to have an expectation

00:04:09.880 that there must be a perfect correlation

00:04:13.660 between today's science of 2021, for example,

00:04:19.900 and every single verse of the Qur'an

00:04:22.760 and every single hadith that there is that is authentic.

00:04:25.900 This is not a reasonable expectation,

00:04:27.920 not least because the scientific method itself is in flux.

00:04:32.440 However, having said this,

00:04:35.100 anything which is observably real and true

00:04:38.820 and has very high epistemic weight

00:04:42.260 from an empirical perspective,

00:04:44.020 we would say that truth cannot contradict the Qur'anic narrative.

00:04:50.760 And so, bearing all of these things in mind,

00:04:53.840 it's important to approach the topic of science in the Qur'an

00:04:58.260 with care and nuance and sophistication.

00:05:02.680 I hope this series is something which you can benefit from.

00:05:07.420 It is certainly something which we have put a lot of time in,

00:05:10.740 a lot of effort in.

00:05:12.540 And we will be doing this with major themes

00:05:15.500 of narratives against Islam,

00:05:19.840 from morality all the way through to arguments,

00:05:24.520 as we've said, of God's existence.

00:05:26.740 And hopefully, you can benefit

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00:05:33.020 Today, inshallah, we're going to be dealing with a hadith 1.00

00:05:45.580 which references Adam, a prophet of Islam,

00:05:50.640 as being 60 cubits tall,

00:05:52.840 which is like 27 meters.

00:05:54.860 And they say this is unbelievable and impossible.

00:05:57.380 But before we get to this hadith,

00:05:59.260 let's talk about the Islamic stance on the theory of evolution.

00:06:02.080 Generally speaking, it's talking about the theory of evolution.

00:06:05.560 Muslims don't have an issue or shouldn't really have an issue 1.00

00:06:07.660 with speciation, adaptation, or even evolution of animals.

00:06:12.260 Because we believe that there's nothing explicit in the Qur'an

00:06:16.360 one way or the other.

00:06:17.160 And I've actually done a podcast with Abdullah al-Ajari.

00:06:19.920 Sheikh Abdullah al-Ajari is a prominent figure in Saudi Arabia

00:06:22.980 who researches these matters and well-published in this field.

00:06:27.360 In my discussion with him, this was his opinion.

00:06:29.900 So, which is quite frankly like 99.9%

00:06:33.700 if we look at it from a mass perspective.

00:06:35.840 Really, 99.9% of the theory.

00:06:38.860 The issue we have, we take issue with,

00:06:43.080 or the point of evolution, the sliver of,

00:06:45.180 which really diametrically opposes

00:06:46.680 some of the Islamic narratives,

00:06:48.000 is human evolution.

00:06:49.560 Now, obviously, we have a narrative.

00:06:51.320 We have a narrative in Islam,

00:06:52.780 which is that Adam, alayhi salam,

00:06:55.020 was created directly,

00:06:56.040 or this prophet Adam was created directly by Allah,

00:06:58.820 by God Almighty.

00:07:00.200 And there are many things which differentiate human beings

00:07:02.500 from the rest of the animal kingdom.

00:07:05.120 Morality, the ability to question why.

00:07:09.040 You know, many different language,

00:07:12.860 civilization, and so on and so forth.

00:07:14.340 And it couldn't have been the case,

00:07:16.600 we would argue that we can actually,

00:07:18.780 in any way, be equated

00:07:20.580 to the rest of the animal kingdom.

00:07:22.460 And there's something special about human beings.

00:07:24.200 لَقَدْ قَرَّمْ لَوْدِ أَدَمْ

00:07:25.340 Allah says in the Qur'an

00:07:26.320 that He has dignified the children of Adam.

00:07:29.260 So, we don't necessarily agree or disagree.

00:07:31.680 We can remain agnostic as to,

00:07:33.420 you know, Darwinian evolution with other animals.

00:07:35.480 But as it relates to the human being,

00:07:37.460 there is something special about the human being.

00:07:40.200 And that is why Allah created human being directly.

00:07:44.080 And in this hadith,

00:07:45.740 there's indication that He created Adam

00:07:47.360 60 cubits tall.

00:07:49.040 Now, the question is,

00:07:50.100 this seems unscientific on many grounds.

00:07:53.060 And I'll tell you what,

00:07:53.820 on three major grounds.

00:07:55.400 Number one is biological.

00:07:56.760 Number two is archaeological.

00:07:59.180 And or paleontological,

00:08:00.980 you could say as well,

00:08:01.820 from a fossil record perspective.

00:08:03.720 And number three,

00:08:05.460 looking at the kind of disparity in sizes,

00:08:08.800 if we do assume that there was a human being

00:08:11.700 of such great magnitude in terms of size,

00:08:15.360 how can we explain the fact

00:08:17.920 that human beings are like,

00:08:19.520 give or take, you know,

00:08:20.940 six foot tall, give or take,

00:08:22.240 you know, half a meter or whatever it may be,

00:08:24.420 or more, right?

00:08:25.820 But how can you explain this huge disparity

00:08:28.200 in the fact that you're saying

00:08:30.600 that you believe in Adam,

00:08:31.800 who's 27 meters tall

00:08:33.140 and a human being now,

00:08:34.740 which is, you know,

00:08:35.940 typically anything between

00:08:37.080 five foot five to six foot five.

00:08:39.160 And obviously,

00:08:39.580 there are extremities on both sides

00:08:41.620 of that equation.

00:08:42.260 There's people that are taller than six foot five,

00:08:43.740 like myself,

00:08:44.340 and people that are shorter than five foot five,

00:08:46.280 like many, many people.

00:08:47.700 So here,

00:08:49.500 there's two parts of the hadith

00:08:51.120 which we need to pay attention to,

00:08:52.860 which is the first part of the hadith,

00:08:55.000 it talks about that Allah created Adam 0.83

00:08:57.400 60 cubits tall.

00:09:01.980 And in terms of hadith,

00:09:04.100 there are some narrations

00:09:05.240 which don't mention this 60 cubits.

00:09:08.240 And there are some narrations

00:09:10.300 that do mention the 60 cubits.

00:09:12.300 But we don't say that just because

00:09:14.380 there are some narrations

00:09:15.580 that don't mention the 60 cubits,

00:09:17.340 that the narrations

00:09:18.000 that do mention the 60 cubits

00:09:19.540 are erroneous.

00:09:20.560 That makes no sense, actually.

00:09:22.760 This doesn't,

00:09:23.660 and some people have attempted to argue

00:09:25.140 that this means that

00:09:26.860 this should be disbanded, known.

00:09:28.620 It doesn't mean that's not

00:09:29.460 how the hadith science works.

00:09:31.140 So that's the first thing.

00:09:32.580 Other people say

00:09:33.280 the second part of the hadith

00:09:34.520 which talks about

00:09:35.700 that the creation

00:09:41.420 is becoming smaller and smaller

00:09:44.740 until now.

00:09:45.580 they found it problematic

00:09:47.340 because Ibn Hajar himself,

00:09:48.920 he mentions how could it be the case

00:09:50.400 that this is happening,

00:09:52.620 right,

00:09:52.920 and we can see

00:09:54.040 Adam Thamud's kind of indwellings,

00:09:57.580 the archaeological remnants

00:09:59.500 of their indwellings,

00:10:00.200 and we can see that

00:10:01.240 their houses and the doors

00:10:02.920 and so on

00:10:03.360 were not so tall.

00:10:05.160 And he assumed,

00:10:06.420 and without, by the way,

00:10:07.300 nas and evidence,

00:10:08.580 that Adam Thamud

00:10:10.660 were closer to Adam

00:10:11.860 than they were to us human beings.

00:10:13.340 And obviously,

00:10:14.340 the only real evidence

00:10:15.960 we have anything

00:10:16.620 between Nuh

00:10:17.760 and Adam,

00:10:19.380 a.s.

00:10:21.660 is,

00:10:21.900 there's no evidence.

00:10:22.580 I mean,

00:10:22.900 there's only Israeliyat

00:10:24.380 or kind of biblical narrations.

00:10:26.040 So potentially,

00:10:26.620 he was using those

00:10:27.580 to kind of

00:10:28.040 raise his eyebrow,

00:10:29.500 but he did not say

00:10:30.500 that this hadith

00:10:30.960 was mu'allal 0.93

00:10:31.580 or defective

00:10:32.240 as many believe

00:10:34.020 that he did.

00:10:35.460 Now,

00:10:35.700 because of

00:10:36.960 nas reasons

00:10:37.460 or content reasons.

00:10:39.060 Going now forward

00:10:40.080 to answering the contentions,

00:10:41.960 there are variations

00:10:43.020 of this hadith

00:10:43.760 which refer to

00:10:44.680 Fissama'a,

00:10:46.240 okay,

00:10:46.540 that this was in the heaven.

00:10:48.520 Not heaven

00:10:49.280 as in Jannah,

00:10:50.360 but Fissama'a.

00:10:51.400 Now,

00:10:51.660 obviously,

00:10:52.340 if you look at

00:10:52.840 the Quranic cosmology,

00:10:54.520 heaven,

00:10:55.040 Al Jannah,

00:10:56.020 is above,

00:10:57.280 okay,

00:10:57.500 because obviously

00:10:58.220 we know

00:10:58.580 that the Prophet

00:10:59.000 was taken there

00:10:59.760 in the Salah Al-Ma'raj.

00:11:00.980 So it could be the case

00:11:01.960 that this height

00:11:03.760 and this mega size

00:11:05.260 of 27 meters

00:11:06.220 is specific to Jannah

00:11:07.980 and there's nothing

00:11:09.200 wrong linguistically

00:11:10.240 in believing that

00:11:11.060 because obviously

00:11:11.940 we believe that

00:11:12.680 Adam,

00:11:13.160 he started his journey,

00:11:15.780 yes,

00:11:16.260 in heaven.

00:11:17.260 I mean,

00:11:17.480 we have a whole narrative

00:11:18.320 where he was in

00:11:18.920 a completely different place

00:11:19.960 and then Allah,

00:11:21.160 he sent him down

00:11:21.820 to the earth.

00:11:22.560 He sent him down

00:11:23.460 to the earth.

00:11:25.020 Yes,

00:11:25.200 he's created

00:11:25.720 from the elements

00:11:26.440 of the earth,

00:11:26.900 but he was

00:11:27.320 in many ways

00:11:28.320 an extraterrestrial

00:11:29.160 because he came

00:11:30.280 from a completely

00:11:31.060 different dimension

00:11:31.860 and he came

00:11:32.580 to this earth.

00:11:33.880 Now,

00:11:34.220 in that transition period,

00:11:35.520 could he have shrunk?

00:11:36.980 Could Allah have 1.00

00:11:37.660 made him smaller?

00:11:39.160 That's also a possibility.

00:11:40.380 We're not disregarding

00:11:41.560 that as a possibility,

00:11:42.420 but there's no evidence

00:11:43.040 of that from the Quran

00:11:43.840 and Sunnah.

00:11:44.660 So we can't say

00:11:45.360 that that is what happened.

00:11:47.000 What we will say

00:11:47.660 is this.

00:11:48.380 Let's assume

00:11:49.200 that Allah,

00:11:50.240 he brought Adam down,

00:11:52.160 he was 60 cubits

00:11:53.160 either in heaven

00:11:53.960 and on earth

00:11:56.160 or in heaven

00:11:56.700 or on the earth.

00:11:57.640 But let's just assume

00:11:58.360 that he was 60 cubits

00:11:59.820 in heaven

00:12:00.240 and on the earth.

00:12:01.320 So when he came down,

00:12:02.500 he was also 27 meters,

00:12:04.760 which by the way,

00:12:05.540 now we're starting

00:12:06.120 to make assumptions

00:12:06.860 which we don't necessarily

00:12:08.600 need to make.

00:12:10.660 We can say,

00:12:11.100 no,

00:12:11.280 he was like that high

00:12:12.540 in heaven

00:12:13.060 and when he came

00:12:14.340 on the earth,

00:12:14.780 he became normal high.

00:12:16.360 That's something

00:12:17.360 you can assume

00:12:18.120 from the source.

00:12:19.660 But let's not assume that.

00:12:21.740 Let's say he was

00:12:22.500 27 meters on the earth.

00:12:24.160 What's the problem?

00:12:25.700 What's the problem?

00:12:26.480 The problem are

00:12:27.200 three different things now.

00:12:28.460 Number one,

00:12:28.940 biology.

00:12:29.640 If we use

00:12:30.560 the human anatomy

00:12:32.020 that we have today

00:12:32.860 as the reference point,

00:12:34.440 if the human anatomy

00:12:36.540 today is the reference point,

00:12:38.680 how could it be

00:12:39.860 that something that tall

00:12:41.280 or a human being

00:12:42.440 that tall,

00:12:43.600 the bone structure

00:12:44.640 can maintain

00:12:45.920 that kind of size

00:12:46.760 because it will collapse

00:12:47.860 because of the weight

00:12:48.560 of the human being?

00:12:50.480 Well,

00:12:50.660 this is a fallacy

00:12:51.280 because we're not

00:12:51.820 starting with

00:12:52.780 the human being

00:12:54.060 today as the reference point.

00:12:55.600 We're starting with,

00:12:56.380 why would you start

00:12:56.960 with today's human being

00:12:57.940 as the reference point?

00:12:58.760 The reference point

00:12:59.500 is that 27 meter

00:13:02.960 human being

00:13:03.540 that we're talking about.

00:13:04.600 That's the reference point.

00:13:05.460 So if someone says,

00:13:06.320 well,

00:13:06.460 we know that if we keep

00:13:07.300 doubling sizes,

00:13:08.460 as I've even heard

00:13:09.140 some Muslims try and say,

00:13:11.000 keep doubling sizes

00:13:11.840 and height,

00:13:12.640 then the height

00:13:13.620 will be so tall

00:13:14.540 and then the weight

00:13:15.460 will be so much

00:13:16.060 and then the bones

00:13:17.140 will not be able

00:13:17.640 to handle that.

00:13:19.180 Density of the bones

00:13:19.880 will not be able

00:13:20.260 to handle that.

00:13:20.660 You're using

00:13:21.500 your reference point

00:13:23.100 as the human anatomy

00:13:25.420 of today

00:13:25.980 and then do

00:13:26.820 qiyas backwards, 1.00

00:13:28.100 which is a qiyas mal-farak,

00:13:29.580 if you like,

00:13:30.240 or a false type

00:13:31.080 of analogy.

00:13:32.060 It's a different kind,

00:13:32.880 it's a false kind

00:13:33.440 of analogy.

00:13:34.160 So that's the first problem

00:13:34.920 you can say,

00:13:35.460 it's inconceivable

00:13:36.700 that human anatomy

00:13:37.600 can handle that size.

00:13:39.700 Well,

00:13:40.080 it's only inconceivable

00:13:40.880 on the basis

00:13:42.260 of analyzing

00:13:43.320 today's human anatomy.

00:13:44.260 That's the first thing.

00:13:45.140 The second thing

00:13:45.960 we may say

00:13:46.560 is someone could say,

00:13:48.400 well,

00:13:48.560 we talked about

00:13:50.280 the biological problems,

00:13:51.420 fossilization.

00:13:52.560 How come there is

00:13:53.260 no fossil record

00:13:54.140 of such a huge human?

00:13:56.180 The National Science Foundation

00:13:57.520 says that 99.9%,

00:14:00.900 99.9%,

00:14:03.560 99.9%

00:14:05.780 of species

00:14:06.460 have not undergone

00:14:07.720 fossilization.

00:14:08.620 So fossilization,

00:14:10.120 you expect to find

00:14:11.780 one specimen

00:14:14.520 of a fossil,

00:14:16.400 of a human

00:14:17.120 that we don't know,

00:14:18.220 tens or hundred thousand,

00:14:19.320 whatever it is,

00:14:19.880 years that he existed before?

00:14:21.680 No way.

00:14:22.520 This is like finding

00:14:23.260 a needle

00:14:23.620 in a haystack. 0.99

00:14:25.400 It's ridiculous

00:14:25.880 to expect to find

00:14:27.160 fossils like this.

00:14:28.000 It's absolutely absurd.

00:14:29.380 It's such a redundant,

00:14:31.340 redundant interrogation.

00:14:33.900 So that one

00:14:34.900 would be put to the side.

00:14:36.340 The third now interrogation

00:14:37.620 is,

00:14:38.520 well,

00:14:39.360 how can we conceive

00:14:40.500 of such a disparity

00:14:41.660 between humans

00:14:44.400 or any kind of animal

00:14:46.460 within the same species

00:14:47.360 like this?

00:14:48.520 They say,

00:14:48.900 we don't accept that.

00:14:49.720 We don't accept that

00:14:50.380 you can have

00:14:50.820 a 27-meter human being

00:14:53.960 and then you can have

00:14:54.980 a six-foot human being

00:14:55.900 and that disparity existed

00:14:57.480 and they say humans

00:14:58.920 have been around

00:14:59.380 for 350,000 years,

00:15:01.000 which is,

00:15:01.380 by the way,

00:15:01.620 estimates we don't have

00:15:02.300 to go with

00:15:02.680 because they keep

00:15:03.200 changing those,

00:15:03.920 quite frankly.

00:15:04.360 But let's just assume

00:15:05.800 for the sake of argument.

00:15:07.080 Are you saying to me,

00:15:07.920 is my response,

00:15:08.980 that you have,

00:15:10.700 there's no species

00:15:11.940 within the species

00:15:12.740 that exhibit this

00:15:14.440 decrease in size,

00:15:17.040 this dramatic exponential

00:15:18.740 decrease in size?

00:15:20.020 Because I can give you

00:15:21.020 an example of the dwarf elephants,

00:15:22.660 which the Journal of Proceedings

00:15:23.840 National Academy of Science

00:15:25.020 shows,

00:15:26.560 the dwarf elephants

00:15:27.780 were 220 pounds.

00:15:29.620 They went down

00:15:31.700 in 800,000 years

00:15:33.040 according to the Journal.

00:15:35.000 In 800,000 years,

00:15:36.420 they went down

00:15:37.200 a hundred times in size.

00:15:39.040 So they were

00:15:39.420 a hundred times bigger

00:15:41.700 than they were.

00:15:42.700 They became dwarf elephants,

00:15:44.360 220 pounds,

00:15:45.280 a hundred kilos,

00:15:46.300 which would mean

00:15:47.060 that I'm bigger

00:15:47.800 than those elephants.

00:15:48.520 Me personally,

00:15:49.060 the one who's talking to you.

00:15:49.940 Imagine an elephant

00:15:50.860 that I can pick up

00:15:52.240 or that you can pick up

00:15:53.700 and that would be heavier

00:15:54.880 to pick me up

00:15:55.800 than an elephant.

00:15:57.500 I mean,

00:15:57.740 this is just to give you

00:15:59.160 some kind of visuals here.

00:16:00.640 So if you can believe

00:16:03.620 in an elephant

00:16:04.580 that is that size

00:16:08.060 because you're looking

00:16:09.160 at the fossil record

00:16:10.000 and you're making

00:16:10.980 your evolution inferences,

00:16:15.580 then why can you not believe

00:16:17.060 in a human being

00:16:18.140 that's much bigger?

00:16:19.720 This is one of many examples,

00:16:22.240 but within a very short time span

00:16:24.180 in evolutionary terms.

00:16:26.080 So why could not

00:16:27.340 that happen to the human?

00:16:29.160 I mean,

00:16:30.220 if you really want to believe it

00:16:31.320 on your paradigm,

00:16:32.920 why could not

00:16:33.320 that happen to the human being?

00:16:34.800 So it's okay

00:16:35.380 when you say these things,

00:16:36.320 but it's not okay

00:16:36.800 when we say these things. 0.81

00:16:37.820 You make a mockery

00:16:38.580 out of the hadith,

00:16:40.100 but the hadith makes

00:16:40.920 the mockery out of you

00:16:41.680 because this is actually

00:16:42.380 what you believe in as well.

00:16:44.180 And hopefully that answers

00:16:44.820 the question.

00:16:45.220 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.

00:16:46.580 Today, insha'Allah,

00:16:48.840 we're going to be discussing

00:16:50.400 a particular verse

00:16:52.080 and actually there's more

00:16:53.320 than one of them

00:16:54.200 in the Quran

00:16:54.960 which make these kinds

00:16:56.000 of references,

00:16:56.660 but we'll focus on one

00:16:57.500 because the same thing

00:16:58.920 that can be said

00:16:59.480 of this verse

00:17:00.120 can be said

00:17:01.000 of all of the other ones

00:17:02.080 which have similar phraseologies.

00:17:04.300 And this is a verse

00:17:05.300 in chapter number 55

00:17:06.300 of the Quran

00:17:07.020 verses 19 to 21

00:17:08.520 where Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala 0.58

00:17:10.040 says,

00:17:10.460 that he let free

00:17:18.420 the two seas of water

00:17:21.340 and he put between them

00:17:22.720 a barrier

00:17:23.300 that you cannot transgress between.

00:17:25.400 Now I recently saw

00:17:26.520 and I saw this before

00:17:27.500 a long time ago

00:17:28.380 a video of Richard Dawkins.

00:17:30.640 Richard Dawkins

00:17:31.460 actually going to a school

00:17:33.320 with some Muslim students

00:17:36.220 some young students

00:17:37.880 and this is a common tactic.

00:17:39.280 You go for the weak ones

00:17:41.000 the untrained ones

00:17:42.260 you know

00:17:43.260 the students

00:17:44.560 that they're not theologians

00:17:46.640 they're not learned

00:17:47.300 they're still actually

00:17:48.040 even haven't finished

00:17:49.100 their GCSEs

00:17:49.960 and this is the kind of

00:17:50.820 you know

00:17:51.400 engagements that Richard Dawkins

00:17:53.420 and the rest of

00:17:54.060 the New Atheist Movement

00:17:54.940 are used to doing

00:17:56.320 with the Muslims. 0.98

00:17:57.140 You get some weak one 0.99

00:17:58.460 and you try and brainwash them

00:18:00.020 into your world view

00:18:01.740 and he was

00:18:03.260 you know

00:18:04.020 talking

00:18:04.560 to these

00:18:06.400 little girls

00:18:07.800 or these

00:18:08.900 young girls

00:18:10.180 and he was trying

00:18:11.380 to persuade them

00:18:12.280 that really he was

00:18:13.360 that the Quran was wrong. 0.87

00:18:15.100 He wasn't saying it

00:18:15.780 in any explicit type of way

00:18:17.020 but he was being

00:18:17.700 very pedantic.

00:18:18.720 Maybe we can get

00:18:19.460 a clip of this video

00:18:21.160 and see what he has to

00:18:22.380 what he's doing here.

00:18:23.880 We learned about science

00:18:25.020 and the Quran

00:18:25.600 by the end of the day

00:18:26.580 we all came to one conclusion

00:18:27.840 that the Quran

00:18:29.080 is evidence

00:18:29.820 of science.

00:18:31.080 What science has proved

00:18:32.280 to be

00:18:33.180 just recently

00:18:34.180 is already proved

00:18:35.160 in the Quran

00:18:35.580 1400 years ago

00:18:36.620 when it was written.

00:18:38.500 But that doesn't

00:18:39.500 include evolution

00:18:40.140 apparently.

00:18:41.180 No, it doesn't

00:18:41.720 include.

00:18:42.400 So what does it include?

00:18:44.220 It includes

00:18:44.880 stuff like

00:18:45.480 the shape of the earth

00:18:46.660 about the mountains

00:18:48.760 how they secure

00:18:49.780 the earth

00:18:50.260 and how

00:18:51.280 in the sea

00:18:52.260 the two waters

00:18:53.060 they don't mix

00:18:53.820 the salty water

00:18:54.720 and the drinking water

00:18:56.360 so it's pure for us

00:18:57.700 to drink

00:18:58.080 they don't mix

00:18:58.980 but they pass

00:18:59.820 through each other.

00:19:01.400 Salty water

00:19:02.040 and fresh water

00:19:02.800 don't mix

00:19:03.540 in the sea.

00:19:04.620 No, it's like

00:19:05.400 the natural barrier.

00:19:07.820 I was shocked

00:19:08.540 that RE

00:19:09.320 elbows out

00:19:10.340 science like this.

00:19:11.980 Now as you saw

00:19:12.560 this man was

00:19:13.120 badgering the kids

00:19:14.060 he doesn't want

00:19:15.880 to go to train

00:19:16.500 theologians

00:19:17.400 or Muslim theologians

00:19:18.500 or public figures

00:19:20.680 or whatever it may be

00:19:21.480 he's going for the children

00:19:22.540 and really

00:19:24.300 he's arguing

00:19:25.420 that

00:19:25.860 this is false

00:19:27.360 in the Quran

00:19:27.880 if the idea

00:19:28.860 is that you have

00:19:29.540 these

00:19:29.780 the sweet water

00:19:31.140 the fresh water

00:19:32.000 and the salty water

00:19:33.400 that there is a barrier

00:19:35.140 between

00:19:35.520 no such barrier exists

00:19:37.240 he said

00:19:37.520 you can go to the kitchen

00:19:38.540 yes

00:19:39.140 you can put

00:19:39.660 the sweet

00:19:40.020 you can put

00:19:41.000 you know

00:19:42.100 these two waters together

00:19:43.000 and mix them

00:19:43.600 and disprove the Quran

00:19:44.620 you know

00:19:45.420 this is such a weak 0.83

00:19:46.460 and lazy approach 0.69

00:19:47.560 don't you want

00:19:48.480 to research

00:19:49.280 what this verse

00:19:50.200 is talking about

00:19:51.120 in the first place

00:19:52.020 because if you just went

00:19:53.640 to even an English

00:19:55.400 translation

00:19:56.060 of the exegesis

00:19:57.240 of such verses

00:19:58.180 you don't realize

00:19:59.580 that the prominent

00:20:00.840 or the most popular

00:20:02.020 exegetical opinion

00:20:03.420 on this

00:20:03.920 was that

00:20:04.960 the barrier in question

00:20:06.560 were the land masses

00:20:07.660 that were separating

00:20:09.760 seas from rivers

00:20:11.260 for example

00:20:11.860 the Arabian Peninsula

00:20:12.780 for example

00:20:13.700 other land masses

00:20:14.540 that separate these things

00:20:16.060 so on the one side

00:20:17.220 of this land mass

00:20:17.860 you have

00:20:18.200 maybe a sea

00:20:18.940 and the other side

00:20:20.060 you have a river

00:20:20.880 and within the land

00:20:22.780 you have a river flowing

00:20:24.100 this is what is being

00:20:25.540 referred to here

00:20:26.280 that God

00:20:27.300 in his greatness

00:20:29.340 is able to

00:20:30.300 allow such

00:20:31.260 different types

00:20:32.080 of waters

00:20:32.500 to exist

00:20:33.220 within

00:20:35.400 the sphere

00:20:37.200 of the earth

00:20:37.660 and this is

00:20:38.280 what's wrong with that

00:20:39.560 what's so unscientific

00:20:41.140 about that

00:20:41.680 why are you

00:20:42.880 so lazy

00:20:44.340 as to not go

00:20:45.160 to a

00:20:45.820 tafsir

00:20:46.700 in English

00:20:47.280 and check out

00:20:48.140 that that was

00:20:48.820 the primary

00:20:50.080 exegetical

00:20:51.100 method of understanding

00:20:53.380 this verse

00:20:53.860 you see

00:20:55.740 and this is what happens

00:20:57.040 when you don't do

00:20:58.620 your research

00:20:59.160 yes there are

00:21:00.360 some scholars

00:21:00.840 who say it's an

00:21:01.420 invisible barrier

00:21:02.240 and this has

00:21:02.960 now gone to

00:21:04.260 the scientific

00:21:04.900 miracles narrative

00:21:05.800 and so on

00:21:06.400 but we're not

00:21:07.800 even going to go there

00:21:08.640 some say it's

00:21:09.320 talking about

00:21:09.760 estuaries

00:21:11.040 and others say

00:21:12.080 it's this

00:21:12.500 and it's talking about

00:21:13.020 I'm not going there

00:21:14.180 this is enough

00:21:15.080 for me to say 0.84

00:21:15.720 that your shenanigans

00:21:17.640 has been exposed

00:21:18.600 that you didn't

00:21:19.980 even make an attempt

00:21:21.220 you didn't even

00:21:22.880 make an attempt

00:21:23.920 to try and understand

00:21:24.940 the verse

00:21:25.400 and read up

00:21:26.560 some opinions on it

00:21:28.000 wassalamu alaykum

00:21:28.940 wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

00:21:30.200 today inshallah

00:21:34.940 we're going to be

00:21:35.560 talking about

00:21:36.240 a contention

00:21:37.180 which is really

00:21:37.780 a feeble and weak

00:21:38.880 intention

00:21:39.840 contention sorry

00:21:41.660 which like many

00:21:43.220 of those

00:21:43.740 is really lazy

00:21:45.840 academics

00:21:46.860 at its best

00:21:48.480 it's the contention

00:21:49.500 that says

00:21:50.060 that the Quran

00:21:50.960 mentions sperm

00:21:52.380 but it does not

00:21:54.060 mention ovum

00:21:55.000 and therefore

00:21:55.940 the authorship

00:21:57.440 of the Quran

00:21:58.180 was unaware

00:21:59.220 that such an ovum

00:22:00.860 existed in the

00:22:01.940 first place

00:22:02.420 well actually

00:22:03.500 the Quran

00:22:03.980 doesn't mention

00:22:04.700 spermatozoa

00:22:06.000 the word nutfa

00:22:06.700 which is sometimes

00:22:08.460 translated as

00:22:09.840 sperm drop

00:22:10.880 if you look at

00:22:12.040 any of the

00:22:12.660 ancient kind of

00:22:14.060 linguistic dictionaries

00:22:15.940 it simply means

00:22:17.900 or a minute

00:22:21.900 quantity of

00:22:23.180 liquid or fluid

00:22:24.120 that's what it

00:22:25.080 means

00:22:25.320 now some

00:22:26.400 translators have

00:22:27.240 translated this to

00:22:28.140 mean spermatozoa

00:22:29.260 or not even that

00:22:30.960 sperm drop

00:22:31.680 or something like

00:22:32.740 this

00:22:33.000 but that is

00:22:34.060 us

00:22:34.620 putting our own

00:22:35.820 kind of 21st

00:22:36.640 century glasses on

00:22:37.340 and imposing it on

00:22:38.600 the Quran

00:22:39.140 the Quran

00:22:39.860 even now the

00:22:40.620 Arabs when they're 1.00

00:22:41.200 talking about

00:22:41.800 when they're

00:22:42.280 writing their

00:22:42.820 kind of scientific

00:22:43.980 textbooks about

00:22:44.960 sperm

00:22:46.000 they call it

00:22:46.520 al-haywan

00:22:47.080 al-menawi

00:22:47.540 it's basically

00:22:49.220 the animal

00:22:50.280 which

00:22:50.640 a sperm animal

00:22:51.340 this is how

00:22:52.800 they would translate

00:22:53.300 it because

00:22:53.700 the word nutfa

00:22:54.800 is not specific

00:22:56.880 enough to that

00:22:57.940 very sperm

00:22:59.500 that we see

00:23:00.320 in diagrams

00:23:01.020 I'm sure you've

00:23:01.640 seen in pictures

00:23:03.060 and so on

00:23:03.560 in films

00:23:03.940 or whatever it may be

00:23:04.740 so the Quran

00:23:06.080 doesn't mention

00:23:06.740 that nor does

00:23:07.720 it mention

00:23:08.140 the egg

00:23:09.560 it doesn't mention

00:23:10.220 the egg

00:23:10.640 because no one

00:23:11.760 would understand

00:23:12.300 this

00:23:12.640 I mean think

00:23:13.080 about the Quran

00:23:13.580 is trying to

00:23:14.140 reach out to a

00:23:15.100 7th century

00:23:15.580 8th century

00:23:16.060 9th century

00:23:16.540 audience

00:23:16.900 not just a

00:23:17.580 21st century

00:23:18.240 audience

00:23:18.600 imagine if

00:23:19.640 it's telling

00:23:20.300 the end user

00:23:21.300 here that

00:23:22.360 inside of the

00:23:23.380 sperm that 0.92

00:23:23.980 comes out

00:23:24.480 or you emit

00:23:25.200 as a man

00:23:25.880 there is actually

00:23:27.920 animals in there

00:23:29.380 people would be

00:23:30.580 like what's this

00:23:31.440 talking about

00:23:32.000 I mean think

00:23:32.460 about that

00:23:32.920 the Quran

00:23:33.560 uses phraseology

00:23:34.540 which is

00:23:35.020 appropriate for

00:23:35.860 all peoples

00:23:36.300 in all times

00:23:36.860 it uses perfect

00:23:38.520 phraseology which

00:23:39.780 we as for

00:23:41.040 example 21st

00:23:41.840 century end

00:23:43.060 users of

00:23:43.600 the Quranic

00:23:44.840 discourse

00:23:45.780 can understand

00:23:47.560 you know

00:23:48.800 with for

00:23:49.460 example the

00:23:49.920 biological and

00:23:50.580 biologic

00:23:50.920 understanding of

00:23:51.760 today

00:23:52.120 but also that

00:23:53.480 it couldn't

00:23:53.880 alienate the 0.99

00:23:54.540 7th or 8th

00:23:55.160 century or 9th

00:23:55.780 century or 10th

00:23:56.600 century people

00:23:57.280 up until the age

00:23:58.640 when the microscope

00:23:59.340 was developed

00:24:00.080 this is foolishness 0.97

00:24:01.660 at its core 0.97

00:24:02.420 really this

00:24:03.180 assumption

00:24:03.600 so yes it

00:24:04.860 doesn't mention

00:24:05.740 the sperm in

00:24:06.340 that sense

00:24:06.660 it doesn't mention

00:24:07.220 the ovum in

00:24:07.680 that sense

00:24:08.020 but the

00:24:09.000 indications

00:24:09.580 to be quite

00:24:10.960 honest with

00:24:11.420 you

00:24:11.680 are all

00:24:12.720 there that

00:24:13.320 show that

00:24:13.960 the authorship

00:24:15.040 of Quran

00:24:15.680 of the Quran

00:24:16.740 or the author

00:24:17.400 of the Quran

00:24:17.860 was acutely

00:24:19.800 aware

00:24:21.840 like for

00:24:23.120 example

00:24:23.620 chapter 76

00:24:33.180 verse number

00:24:33.620 2

00:24:33.900 we have

00:24:34.640 created the

00:24:35.320 human being

00:24:35.860 from a

00:24:36.500 mixture

00:24:37.560 of fluids

00:24:39.520 and we have

00:24:40.900 made him

00:24:41.360 seeing and

00:24:41.980 hearing

00:24:42.260 now what is

00:24:43.200 this mixture

00:24:43.640 almost everybody

00:24:44.580 agrees

00:24:45.120 it's talking

00:24:46.060 about

00:24:46.500 the male

00:24:47.980 and female

00:24:49.300 fluids

00:24:50.620 combining

00:24:51.240 now what

00:24:52.420 fluids are we

00:24:52.940 talking about

00:24:53.280 the entirety

00:24:53.860 of it

00:24:54.240 because we

00:24:54.640 know it

00:24:54.940 only requires

00:24:55.500 one cell

00:24:55.960 from each

00:24:56.480 and this

00:24:57.420 is also

00:24:57.760 indicated in

00:24:58.440 the hadith

00:24:58.840 of the

00:24:59.060 Prophet

00:24:59.200 where it

00:25:00.160 says

00:25:00.360 the born

00:25:04.740 child is

00:25:05.260 not from

00:25:05.600 the entirety

00:25:06.180 of the fluid

00:25:06.780 so you

00:25:08.400 have this

00:25:08.740 mixture

00:25:09.240 between

00:25:12.220 the male

00:25:12.700 and female

00:25:13.260 fluids

00:25:13.900 which we

00:25:14.620 know

00:25:15.020 happens

00:25:17.620 and fertilization 0.58

00:25:18.540 but it's

00:25:19.460 only a

00:25:20.560 part of

00:25:21.040 this

00:25:21.300 entirety

00:25:21.880 of thing

00:25:22.360 which creates

00:25:23.140 the fertilization

00:25:24.020 what's fascinating

00:25:24.920 is that the

00:25:25.540 sperm

00:25:26.000 and the

00:25:27.080 ovum

00:25:27.500 and the

00:25:28.020 egg

00:25:28.360 are all

00:25:29.220 contained

00:25:29.800 within a

00:25:30.320 fluid

00:25:30.580 and this

00:25:31.940 is

00:25:32.160 beautifully

00:25:33.440 elaborated

00:25:34.160 with the

00:25:34.900 one who

00:25:35.420 says

00:25:35.660 I've been

00:25:37.200 given the

00:25:37.740 brief and

00:25:38.700 decisive

00:25:39.140 speech

00:25:39.560 who's the

00:25:39.860 Prophet

00:25:40.000 who said

00:25:41.580 that it's

00:25:42.480 not from

00:25:42.980 the entirety

00:25:43.580 of this

00:25:43.900 liquid

00:25:44.300 but it's

00:25:44.660 actually

00:25:44.920 from a

00:25:45.880 part of

00:25:46.600 it

00:25:46.720 so this

00:25:47.260 it seems

00:25:47.800 to me

00:25:48.300 that it's

00:25:49.580 the author

00:25:50.200 of the

00:25:50.580 Quran

00:25:50.880 and the

00:25:52.480 the sunnah

00:25:54.040 as well

00:25:55.180 was aware

00:25:56.160 was aware

00:25:57.540 of these

00:25:58.440 the minutiae

00:26:00.000 related to

00:26:01.140 these things

00:26:01.900 and I think

00:26:03.340 this is really

00:26:03.960 a shot in the

00:26:04.520 foot for those

00:26:05.320 detractors

00:26:06.160 because the

00:26:06.980 more we look

00:26:07.700 at your

00:26:07.940 evidences

00:26:08.340 the more

00:26:08.820 we realize

00:26:09.360 the beauty

00:26:10.460 and the

00:26:10.860 precision

00:26:11.440 of the

00:26:12.540 Quranic 0.93

00:26:13.020 discourse

00:26:13.660 Wassalamualaikum

00:26:14.720 Warahmatullahi

00:26:15.460 Wabarakatuh 0.69

00:26:17.260 Today

00:26:20.560 insha'Allah 0.91

00:26:21.060 we're going

00:26:21.520 to be speaking

00:26:22.120 about a

00:26:22.680 very fruitless

00:26:24.020 and frivolous

00:26:24.900 and comprecious

00:26:25.740 claim

00:26:26.580 a weak

00:26:27.740 claim 1.00

00:26:28.260 a ridiculous 0.98

00:26:29.460 contention

00:26:30.240 of the

00:26:31.600 highest order

00:26:32.240 really

00:26:33.200 a claim

00:26:34.480 that says

00:26:34.900 that

00:26:35.200 the Quran

00:26:36.300 says

00:26:38.000 in chapter

00:26:38.420 number 51

00:26:39.240 verse number

00:26:40.240 49

00:26:40.720 that

00:26:41.840 everything

00:26:42.480 was created

00:26:43.220 in pairs

00:26:44.220 and we

00:26:57.060 know

00:26:57.400 of such

00:26:58.140 a thing

00:26:58.380 as

00:26:58.540 asexual 0.63

00:26:59.260 reproduction

00:26:59.800 and therefore

00:27:00.980 this is

00:27:01.400 false

00:27:01.700 so

00:27:02.780 I don't

00:27:03.940 know

00:27:04.100 whether

00:27:04.280 to stop

00:27:04.940 roll

00:27:05.320 my eyes

00:27:06.160 or even

00:27:07.240 try and

00:27:07.620 dignify

00:27:08.100 this

00:27:08.500 thing

00:27:09.280 with the

00:27:09.540 response

00:27:10.420 but maybe

00:27:11.340 I should

00:27:11.880 for the

00:27:12.820 satisfaction

00:27:14.120 of those

00:27:14.940 who are a

00:27:15.520 little bit

00:27:15.880 curious

00:27:16.360 really and

00:27:17.920 truly we've

00:27:18.340 said this

00:27:18.700 more than

00:27:19.280 once

00:27:19.660 the word

00:27:20.160 kul

00:27:20.560 does not

00:27:21.780 necessarily

00:27:22.500 mean

00:27:22.960 every single

00:27:23.920 thing

00:27:24.320 with the

00:27:25.140 exclusion of

00:27:25.820 nothing in

00:27:26.320 the genus

00:27:26.860 this is

00:27:28.000 something

00:27:28.320 which we

00:27:28.800 know

00:27:29.180 from

00:27:29.600 the

00:27:30.020 usage

00:27:30.320 of

00:27:30.520 the

00:27:30.620 word

00:27:30.820 kul

00:27:31.220 which is

00:27:31.900 also

00:27:32.080 used

00:27:32.340 in

00:27:32.440 the

00:27:32.540 Quran

00:27:32.840 where

00:27:33.520 Allah

00:27:33.660 mentions

00:27:34.680 in

00:27:35.000 Surah

00:27:35.440 Al-Ahqaf

00:27:36.600 chapter

00:27:36.900 46

00:27:37.620 verse

00:27:38.340 number

00:27:38.580 25

00:27:39.380 where

00:27:39.960 Allah

00:27:40.100 says

00:27:41.120 tudammir

00:27:42.260 kulla

00:27:42.740 shay'in 0.99

00:27:43.220 bi-amri 0.61

00:27:43.980 rabbiha 0.93

00:27:44.580 fa-asbahu

00:27:45.420 la-yura

00:27:46.460 illa

00:27:46.940 masakinuhum

00:27:47.960 that

00:27:48.860 it

00:27:49.080 destroys

00:27:49.660 there's

00:27:50.020 a wind

00:27:50.400 that

00:27:50.600 destroys

00:27:51.040 everything

00:27:51.840 with

00:27:53.220 the

00:27:53.400 command

00:27:53.860 of

00:27:54.560 its

00:27:54.740 Lord

00:27:55.180 so

00:27:55.920 they

00:27:56.560 came

00:27:56.900 to

00:27:57.080 be

00:27:57.380 not

00:27:58.400 seen

00:27:58.880 except

00:27:59.580 for

00:27:59.840 their

00:28:00.040 indwellings

00:28:00.620 and

00:28:01.220 of

00:28:01.380 course

00:28:01.740 this

00:28:03.140 does

00:28:03.460 not

00:28:03.660 mean

00:28:03.880 that

00:28:04.060 this

00:28:04.300 wind

00:28:04.800 that

00:28:05.100 Allah

00:28:05.300 is

00:28:06.660 talking

00:28:07.000 about

00:28:07.560 is a

00:28:08.320 wind

00:28:08.560 that

00:28:08.780 destroyed

00:28:09.200 everything

00:28:09.720 including

00:28:10.260 animals

00:28:11.380 and

00:28:11.800 the

00:28:12.060 earth

00:28:12.720 and

00:28:12.860 the

00:28:13.040 cosmos

00:28:13.440 even

00:28:14.520 though

00:28:15.140 there's

00:28:15.860 the

00:28:16.000 exception

00:28:16.460 there

00:28:16.980 except

00:28:18.660 for

00:28:19.680 their

00:28:19.860 indwellings

00:28:20.300 it

00:28:20.420 doesn't

00:28:20.640 mean

00:28:20.780 everything

00:28:21.100 was

00:28:21.320 destroyed

00:28:21.640 except

00:28:21.920 for

00:28:22.100 the

00:28:22.220 indwellings

00:28:22.640 so

00:28:22.820 the

00:28:23.080 kul

00:28:24.280 here

00:28:24.680 is

00:28:25.260 not

00:28:25.560 intended

00:28:26.180 by

00:28:26.860 any

00:28:27.140 means

00:28:27.680 or

00:28:28.460 any

00:28:28.680 stretch

00:28:29.260 of

00:28:29.580 the

00:28:29.780 imagination

00:28:30.480 to

00:28:31.480 mean

00:28:31.840 every

00:28:33.020 single

00:28:33.360 thing

00:28:33.780 on the

00:28:34.720 face

00:28:35.040 of

00:28:35.280 the

00:28:35.400 earth

00:28:35.660 let alone

00:28:36.160 the

00:28:36.860 entire

00:28:37.460 existence

00:28:38.520 or

00:28:38.920 entire

00:28:39.460 universe

00:28:40.260 this is

00:28:41.220 impossible

00:28:41.640 to

00:28:42.460 extrapolate

00:28:43.260 from

00:28:43.440 this

00:28:43.680 verse

00:28:44.000 and

00:28:44.160 that

00:28:44.320 is

00:28:44.460 why

00:28:44.760 many

00:28:45.400 of

00:28:45.580 the

00:28:45.720 scholars

00:28:46.040 have

00:28:46.280 actually

00:28:46.700 written

00:28:47.460 books

00:28:47.960 and

00:28:48.300 treatises

00:28:48.940 about

00:28:49.680 this

00:28:49.940 word

00:28:50.180 kul

00:28:50.480 because

00:28:51.100 many

00:28:51.440 people

00:28:51.820 that

00:28:52.020 employ

00:28:52.360 literalistic

00:28:53.180 understandings

00:28:54.660 of

00:28:55.380 the

00:28:56.220 arabic

00:28:56.560 language

00:28:57.160 do not

00:28:58.340 understand

00:28:58.800 these

00:28:59.060 kinds

00:28:59.360 of

00:28:59.500 usages

00:28:59.900 so

00:29:00.140 siyuti

00:29:00.580 wrote a

00:29:01.160 book

00:29:01.400 al-kul

00:29:02.560 wa ma

00:29:03.240 alayhi

00:29:03.780 tadul

00:29:04.360 or the

00:29:05.320 word

00:29:05.920 kul

00:29:06.260 and what

00:29:06.880 it implies

00:29:07.860 or what

00:29:08.320 it

00:29:08.580 evidences

00:29:10.360 or shows

00:29:10.880 now

00:29:11.800 is it

00:29:12.180 talking about

00:29:12.740 animals

00:29:13.320 it doesn't

00:29:14.920 say animals

00:29:15.680 in this

00:29:16.700 verse

00:29:17.080 but it

00:29:18.680 doesn't mean

00:29:19.320 just animals

00:29:20.140 because if you

00:29:20.700 look at some

00:29:21.180 of the

00:29:21.660 exegesis

00:29:22.460 of the

00:29:23.160 past

00:29:23.660 even

00:29:24.580 of

00:29:24.980 great

00:29:25.840 scholars

00:29:26.860 like

00:29:27.220 Hassan

00:29:27.600 Basri

00:29:28.040 and others

00:29:28.620 and even

00:29:29.480 if you look

00:29:29.820 at

00:29:29.960 Tabari

00:29:30.320 where he

00:29:30.660 says

00:29:30.940 they don't

00:29:31.940 restrict

00:29:32.380 this

00:29:32.780 to just

00:29:33.520 meaning

00:29:33.880 male and

00:29:34.420 female 0.86

00:29:34.780 for example

00:29:35.720 they say

00:29:36.220 a

00:29:36.780 zoj is

00:29:37.420 anything

00:29:37.760 and it's

00:29:38.080 opposite

00:29:38.400 so for

00:29:39.380 example

00:29:39.680 if you

00:29:39.980 have

00:29:40.260 night

00:29:40.760 then the

00:29:41.120 opposite

00:29:41.360 will be

00:29:41.660 the

00:29:41.800 day

00:29:42.120 if you

00:29:42.900 have

00:29:43.140 heaven

00:29:43.540 the

00:29:43.740 opposite

00:29:44.000 will be

00:29:44.380 the

00:29:44.720 earth

00:29:45.240 for example

00:29:45.800 you know

00:29:46.240 from our

00:29:46.660 perspective

00:29:47.160 before someone

00:29:48.000 jumps

00:29:48.340 and says

00:29:48.740 no

00:29:48.980 this is

00:29:49.440 just calm

00:29:50.460 down

00:29:50.820 we're talking

00:29:51.420 about the

00:29:51.720 anthropocentric

00:29:52.360 perspective

00:29:53.320 otherwise

00:29:53.600 it's all

00:29:54.040 meaningless

00:29:54.360 we're

00:29:54.620 nothing

00:29:54.900 in the

00:29:55.520 universe

00:29:55.800 anyway

00:29:56.100 so

00:29:56.880 here again

00:29:58.080 this is

00:29:59.000 a flatly

00:30:00.000 weak

00:30:00.940 and false

00:30:01.660 contention

00:30:02.840 putting into

00:30:03.920 the Quran

00:30:04.280 what they

00:30:04.960 wish

00:30:05.320 was in

00:30:06.060 there

00:30:06.280 and is

00:30:07.060 not

00:30:07.380 in there

00:30:08.040 so simply

00:30:09.080 to answer

00:30:09.460 this question

00:30:10.040 the word

00:30:10.740 doesn't mean

00:30:11.440 every single

00:30:12.040 thing

00:30:12.400 and it's

00:30:12.960 not restricted

00:30:13.760 to male and

00:30:14.840 female 0.86

00:30:15.300 distinctions

00:30:17.380 it could be

00:30:18.380 anything

00:30:19.340 and it's

00:30:19.640 opposite

00:30:19.900 quite frankly

00:30:20.660 and this

00:30:21.440 is facilitated

00:30:22.220 in the

00:30:22.480 language

00:30:22.800 and understood

00:30:23.300 by the

00:30:24.100 classical

00:30:24.360 exigits of

00:30:24.880 the time

00:30:25.280 and I hope

00:30:25.900 this answers

00:30:26.660 the question

00:30:27.120 wassalamu alaykum

00:30:27.840 wa rahmatullahi

00:30:28.420 wa barakatuh

00:30:28.880 today inshallah

00:30:35.100 we're going

00:30:35.400 to be tackling

00:30:36.020 and dealing

00:30:37.020 with a

00:30:37.760 contention

00:30:38.400 a misconception

00:30:39.140 a misnomer

00:30:40.300 really

00:30:40.620 that some

00:30:42.260 of the

00:30:42.540 anti-islamic

00:30:43.200 apologists

00:30:43.680 use in order

00:30:44.140 to further

00:30:44.540 their case

00:30:45.160 and this

00:30:45.980 is a very

00:30:46.380 common one

00:30:46.940 that's been

00:30:47.260 circulating

00:30:47.760 maybe the

00:30:48.580 internet

00:30:48.840 for some

00:30:49.260 time

00:30:49.540 and really

00:30:50.740 it's a

00:30:51.680 contention

00:30:52.040 that says

00:30:52.420 that the

00:30:52.640 Quran gets 1.00

00:30:53.180 it wrong

00:30:53.560 when it

00:30:53.900 says that

00:30:54.200 the bones

00:30:54.640 form before

00:30:55.360 flesh

00:30:56.100 when in

00:30:56.960 Surah Al-Hajj

00:30:57.860 and Surah Al-Mu'minun

00:30:58.660 the

00:30:59.400 chapter 22

00:31:00.860 and chapter 23

00:31:01.480 respectively

00:31:01.920 of the Quran

00:31:02.420 they detail

00:31:03.220 the stages

00:31:03.640 of embryological

00:31:04.760 development

00:31:05.180 or embryonic

00:31:06.000 development

00:31:06.440 when these

00:31:07.740 two surahs

00:31:08.240 do so

00:31:08.660 the mistake

00:31:09.700 they say

00:31:10.120 in the

00:31:10.600 chronology

00:31:11.780 is that

00:31:12.820 the bones

00:31:13.600 are mentioned

00:31:14.100 before

00:31:14.480 the

00:31:15.000 flesh

00:31:16.780 husband

00:31:18.180 dentist

00:31:19.300 hamlet

00:31:21.060 hamlet

00:31:24.540 hamlet

00:31:29.260 hamlet

00:31:33.560 hamlet

00:31:34.720 hamlet

00:31:38.580 hamlet

00:31:40.640 hamlet

00:31:42.740 hamlet

00:31:43.620 hamlet

00:31:44.360 hamlet

00:31:45.500 and they say this is something which is problematic now first of all let's take a

00:31:53.140 look at what the the latest cutting edge uh you know kind of research is saying on this i'm going

00:31:57.720 to read this from directly because this is not my area of specialism so i'm just going to be

00:32:01.040 doing or using this book which is the fundamentals of human embryology by john allen and beverly

00:32:08.380 kramer to inform the discussion today let's start off with what they say about the development of

00:32:13.500 limb musculature it says for many years and it's very interesting because science as we always say

00:32:21.320 is a transient and dynamic and developing thing and so when maybe 20 or 30 years ago they were using

00:32:27.240 these kinds of interrogations against the quran the fact that science has developed okay actually

00:32:34.380 shows us that we have to be a bit careful making uh judgments about the quran using science either 0.98

00:32:40.220 positively or negatively because listen to what they say uh she she says or he says because we

00:32:45.860 don't know who's writing it here um for many years it was believed that limb muscles differentiated in

00:32:50.420 situ from uh limb mesenchyme mesenchyme it is now known that myogenic cells invade the limb buds from

00:32:59.360 the somites at the roots of the buds however it seems that tendons and other connective tissue elements

00:33:04.400 of the muscles are formed in situ from the limb bud uh mesenchyme now the mesenchyme is not yet

00:33:12.420 actualized or it's not really developed into one of the three main types of cell which would either form

00:33:17.680 a skin bone or muscle but this the point of importance here is is this particular thing

00:33:23.540 and this is very important here soon after the cartilaginous models of the bones have been

00:33:28.760 established the myogenic cells which have now become myoblasts aggregate to form

00:33:33.620 uh muscle masses on the ventral and dorsal aspects of the limbs these muscle masses in the relevant

00:33:40.180 compartments form the flexors and extenders of the joints rotator muscles are also formed so that

00:33:47.180 flexors and pronators are related and extend extensors and uh supinators are related now basically in

00:33:55.920 lay language which people like me are more in need of than i'm i'm pretty sure are informed and

00:34:00.820 educated audiences what we're talking about when they say myoblasts sorry myogenic cells so the

00:34:06.480 myogenic cells would eventually become muscle tissue okay so what is being said here is that you've got

00:34:11.840 these cartilaginous models right and the cartilaginous models would eventually become ossified through a

00:34:16.900 process of osteogenesis or ossification which actually continues until puberty and this uh basically

00:34:22.880 forms the bone it becomes um uh ossified so these uh cartilaginous zones basically you have these

00:34:31.200 myogenic cells coming now forming over the cartilaginous zones now what are the cartilaginous zones or

00:34:38.320 models they basically form what would then become muscles after the process of sorry bones after the 0.74

00:34:43.760 process of ossification now the question is can cartilage in the arabic language be used to describe bone

00:34:50.560 well i'm a bone a type of sorry is cartilage a type of bone in the arabic language because if it

00:34:57.440 is then the whole issue from a scientific perspective has become becomes an issue straight away and the

00:35:02.640 answer is yes the answer is the word gudroof in the arabic language which means cartilage the word

00:35:08.640 gudroof in the arabic language which means cartilage according to fayruz abadi in his book in his dictionary

00:35:13.680 and of course lisan al-arab which is one of the premier gold standard you know reference points from a

00:35:19.920 dictionary perspective on the arabic language and when they describe gudroof it says you know uh

00:35:27.040 or something like this or basically it is bone which is very smooth in other words cartilage

00:35:33.440 is a type of bone in the arabic language so could it be the case could it be the case that this verse

00:35:41.040 is talking about this process of the myogenic cells migrating uh to the cartilaginous models yes it could

00:35:48.880 very well be and if it is the entire contention is completely uh solved but of course does it mean

00:35:55.680 does i have to say does this necessarily entail taqib or chronology or sequentialism

00:36:05.200 the answer is not really it could be conceived that the fa here is not necessarily chronological

00:36:11.520 and uh we can bring uh evidences all over the quran and sunnah to evidence this case but suffice it for me

00:36:18.000 to say that that is not necessary at this juncture since the whole issue has become a non-issue according

00:36:23.920 to the current scientific information that we have but no definitely it could be that the fa is not

00:36:30.720 the taqib it could be and also you have to remember one other thing that is it says it doesn't say

00:36:36.560 it says we have clothed the izaam with meat or with flesh it doesn't say that we have yes uh created

00:36:48.480 the flesh in other words it may be the case it may be the case that the meat also the flesh whatever you

00:36:56.240 want to call it that it was already there but it was rearranged because al-kisu is different from al-khalq so

00:37:02.800 clothing something is different from it being created especially from non-emergent properties

00:37:07.440 or in other words coming from non-emergence there's a difference between those two things and in fact

00:37:11.360 al-baydawi says something very interesting in his tafsir who is an early mufassir he talks about the

00:37:16.080 stage which is referred to in surat al-haj as mukhalaqa or ghirmukhalaqa he talks about when it's formed and

00:37:21.280 unformed the mudga which is another really interesting description because mudga is literally means

00:37:28.160 something which is chewed a chewed like flesh or chewed like thing and this is what the dictionaries

00:37:33.680 all the dictionaries uh will say to the arabic dictionaries so mudga really mudga really it could 0.97

00:37:40.240 be very well corresponding with what is referred to today in embryology as somatogenesis the somites

00:37:47.360 being formed on the uh in the on the embryo and the fact that is mukhalaqa or ghirmukhalaqa could be

00:37:54.000 talking about the cells migrating in different ways and operating or operationalizing and

00:37:59.520 functioning in different ways this is muhtamal very possible but if suffice it for me to say once

00:38:05.200 again that if we accept the premise that the cartilaginous models or zones which have not been

00:38:13.360 fully ossified and will not be fully ossified by the way because this is the assumption of the uh the

00:38:18.320 the attack are sufficient to be named as aidam in the quran then according to the latest science

00:38:24.320 that we have this becomes a non-issue straight away and hopefully that answers the question

00:38:32.640 today inshallah we're going to be talking about one of the most spurious and specious claims that

00:38:37.200 i've actually ever seen against islam that it beggars belief that people are actually using this as an

00:38:42.160 argument against islam it's such a blow to the credibility of those individuals that they are 0.89

00:38:47.120 making arguments so desperate and so pathetic as this what is the argument that we're talking about 0.59

00:38:51.840 so this is one of the arguments they say that the quran says that there's thamaniyata azwaj that there 0.80

00:38:57.440 are eight types of azwaj or pears and with that it's talking about the an'am and that there are four

00:39:03.520 types of an'am an'am is loosely translated as cattle and the quran says you know minal minal

00:39:09.600 that from the uh from the sheep there are two pairs and from the ma'az the goats there are two pairs

00:39:16.560 and from the baqar ithnein from the cows there are two pairs and from the ibl ithnein and from the camels

00:39:21.680 there are two pairs and they say look this is from what i've understood from their contention because

00:39:25.920 it's so pathetic that it actually beggars once again belief if you take for example the collins

00:39:30.560 dictionary definition of the word cattle what i've seen is that it says for example bovid mammals of the 0.91

00:39:36.400 tribe of bovins especially those of genus boss and then you go to bovin bovid and potentially this

00:39:43.680 is what they're referring to here that can relate to a family of hollow horned mammals including

00:39:49.040 sheeps goats cattle antelopes and buffalo so my understanding of their contention is that they're

00:39:54.960 saying that the word an'am is rich or cattle loosely defined or translated is limited in the quranic

00:40:03.760 paradigm where it should be more expansive now the question is this why should we accept this

00:40:08.720 definition if this is the definition you want us to accept this is clearly a case of the fallacy of

00:40:13.840 equivocation you're you you're forcing one language into another language paradigm this is ridiculous

00:40:22.080 behavior and in fact it actually assures me that you people anti-islamic apologists have no

00:40:28.480 understanding at all of the arabic language and that you're relying heavily if not entirely on

00:40:34.800 translations because if you just looked at tafsir tabari of chapter number 16 verse number five and he

00:40:41.200 mentions what the word an'am means he mentions that it means those four things the word an'am itself

00:40:45.920 means those four things the sheep and goats and cows and camels you could do better than this

00:40:54.560 this is embarrassing wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa rahmatullahi wa rahmatullahi wa rahmatullahi wa

00:41:03.440 today inshallah we're going to be talking about a verse which is

00:41:06.880 littered all over these kind of anti-islamic websites this is in chapter 86 verse number seven

00:41:12.640 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala he says

00:41:14.240 that let human beings see where he has been uh from what he has been created

00:41:27.520 he has been created from a secreted or a gushing fluid that comes from or that he comes from and

00:41:34.000 we'll talk about the differences in translation between the backbone and the ribs and obviously

00:41:41.360 here is translated in more than one way and we'll come to this the contention is that this is

00:41:47.280 actually unscientific because we know that spermiogenesis uh happens in the testicles and

00:41:54.720 it doesn't happen between the backbones and the ribs for example and the assumption obviously is that

00:41:59.680 what is being referred to in the verse when it says is sperm and therefore this verse is out of line

00:42:08.080 with observable reality and it's a proof against islam this is the this is the contention so let's 0.69

00:42:14.800 deal with one thing at a time first and foremost does the word what does the words sulba and taraib

00:42:21.120 actually mean so there are three opinions which are represented in the classical literature and the

00:42:28.000 dictionaries either we're talking about the backbone and the ribs of the man or we're talking about the

00:42:34.720 backbones of the ribs and the backbones of the man and the ribs of the woman or we're talking about

00:42:42.000 the backbone and the ribs of the woman and we're not talking about the secreted liquid or the secreted

00:42:48.400 fluids but instead we're talking about the insan the human being himself because the verse says

00:42:55.520 let the human being see from which or from that which has been created

00:43:04.240 he has been created from a gushing or secreted fluid which comes from between the backbone and the ribs

00:43:13.760 now could it mean that the human being

00:43:16.800 let the human being let the human being see which way he's being created from

00:43:24.080 and taqdeer here is

00:43:29.520 that the insan was created from secreted fluid

00:43:33.680 that the

00:43:38.560 insan it comes from

00:43:40.400 so the the opinion that says the classical apologetical approach or apologetics approach

00:43:49.360 for those who take the view that it's talking about

00:43:51.280 in the backbone and the ribs of the man is to say well actually this is saying

00:43:57.520 it's saying secreted fluid it's talking about gushing fluid and we know that

00:44:01.920 that yes spermiogenesis happens in the testes but it goes up the epididymis and um actually

00:44:09.600 there is something called seminal vesicle and collect seminal fluids from there and it comes

00:44:14.160 back down the urethra and then when ejaculation happens what what then takes place is obviously

00:44:20.160 the emission happens and so the the seminal fluids right the seminal fluids are collected from

00:44:27.440 either the seminal vesicles and all the prostate that's opinion one so they say

00:44:31.760 that's bainu sulbi wa taraib here is anything above the coccyx and what's parallel to it because

00:44:38.240 the coccyx or ajbal dhanab in the arabic language is where the backbone ends bainu sulbi

00:44:44.720 the wa taraib between the the backbone and the ribs so that the backbone ends at the ajbal dhanab or the

00:44:52.240 coccyx so every part of the intersection there and that means to say from a human reproductive

00:44:58.240 perspective that anything which is above the penis because the penis is parallel to from an 0.56

00:45:04.800 anatomical perspective to the coccyx and we know that the seminal vesicles and uh we know that also

00:45:12.400 the prostate is above the penis and so they say this is uh in fact morse bucois in his famously said this

00:45:19.680 is a scientific miracle of the quran but we're not going down that route we're just saying this is one

00:45:24.240 unapologetic approach of answering the question and it may be satisfactory to some it may not be

00:45:29.680 satisfactory to others and the language actually is facilitative of that now the second uh approach

00:45:36.800 where we say that it's talking about the backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman they say this

00:45:40.560 is talking about oogenesis because oogenesis happens in the ovaries of the woman and uh this is where

00:45:49.920 the eggs are basically being formed and so that happens above the once again the vagina which is 1.00

00:45:54.720 parallel to the coccyx and so the same kind of argument is made and they say so this is talking

00:46:00.400 about the fluids because there's a fluid that carries uh either the egg or the sperm for both man

00:46:07.280 and woman and so they say this is not talking about because the arabic word not far is not used here

00:46:12.320 no not far is categorized as a minute quantity of liquid but the the phraseology used here is

00:46:21.760 a gushing secreted fluid so that someone would notice the differentiation between the two kinds of

00:46:30.000 words that are used that's the first thing that that is said so yes this is one approach the other

00:46:34.320 approach but one other approach which has not been highlighted as much which also has classical

00:46:39.200 precedent and is mentioned by ibn atiyya in his tafsir and also by al-qurtubi in his as one of the

00:46:47.520 one of two main opinions that he mentions in this verse is that this is not talking about the secreted

00:46:53.840 fluid at all it's talking about the insan because it says the human being see what he was created from

00:47:00.720 the human being was created from a secreted fluid he says what is understood in the language here

00:47:14.960 in the subtext is that the human being is comes from and this is talking about pregnancy and birth

00:47:25.280 and this would be completely uncontroversial because obviously the baby is in the intersection between the

00:47:30.000 backbone and the ribs of the woman and so these are three very legitimate ways to to answer the

00:47:36.000 question and three very acceptable things no one can read especially with a third opinion i see no way

00:47:43.600 i see no way anyone can say that's against observable reality and therefore to try and use this verse

00:47:51.920 to indicate that only sperm which by the way that the word sperm is not mentioned in the scientific

00:47:58.640 senses in the quran the haywan which the arabs have now invented and put into biological textbooks 0.97

00:48:04.720 is is created between the backbones and the ribs this is ignorance and it's not a comprehensive

00:48:09.840 understanding of the quranic discourse wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

00:48:13.360 today inshallah we're going to be refuting debunking confuting and rejecting a claim that is made by the

00:48:24.640 anti-muslim or anti-islamic apologists which is actually quite a week weaker than spiders web type of

00:48:32.320 claim which is uh they say that the sky or the heaven or the universe is presented in the islamic

00:48:40.560 cosmology in the quran in particular as a solid object and they to in order to kind of strengthen

00:48:46.640 their case refer to two different verses of the quran one that is mentioned in chapter number 22

00:48:52.800 verse number 65 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says that he holds the heavens and the earth

00:49:01.760 uh sorry that he holds the heaven that it falls on the earth and they say look at this it's in order

00:49:11.360 for that to be the case that the you know the heaven has to be a solid object and therefore the

00:49:16.080 presentation of the quran is that the heaven is a solid object and the other verse that they mention

00:49:20.960 is in chapter number two chapter number 35 verse number 41 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

00:49:26.480 uh that he uh that he holds the heavens and the earth that they would fall out of their place or

00:49:34.480 they would come out of their place or that they would be moved out of their place

00:49:38.560 from from the word means like something to be moved out of his place or to move

00:49:43.280 move away in general so these are the two verses that they do istishad with or they try and evidence

00:49:49.680 to suggest that the quran's picture the cosmological picture is one which is

00:49:54.240 uh that the heaven or the universe is a solid object now this is uh falls for two reasons and

00:50:00.240 the second of which i think really is an undercutter by the way um so i don't want to hear this again

00:50:04.560 i mean only an embarrassed person after hearing the second of my second of two or three points i'm

00:50:09.920 going to make would dare to challenge this point it's just so embarrassing to be honest the first

00:50:15.280 point is this sometimes allah subhanahu wa ta'ala uh when he refers to something as a whole he can

00:50:22.400 refer to a part meaning the whole and this is part of the kind of phraseological myriological

00:50:28.880 um terminological usages of the quran so myriology is the parts of whole and 0.94

00:50:34.880 holes and parts allah subhanahu wa ta'ala for example in the quran says he mentions in surah

00:50:40.000 that the people of noah that they put their fingers in their ears now really did they put the

00:50:54.560 entire look at the size of the finger you put the entire it's impossible really to put the entire

00:50:58.560 finger in the ear so what is intended here is the banan the the anamel the the fingertip and you put it

00:51:06.960 it in the air but here you see the fingertip which are referred to in arabic as anamel and not this is

00:51:12.240 not he didn't say that he said they put their even though the enamel the fingertip is that which

00:51:18.720 there likewise now with this when allah says you uh it doesn't necessarily have to mean everything in

00:51:26.480 the uh heaven it could mean as tahir ibn ashur he says in his tafsir that is referring to certain things

00:51:33.120 like meteor it's referring to snow which comes from above and below it's referring to rain it's

00:51:38.320 referring to this referring to that all of these things that are above us can can do suqoot al-ad

00:51:44.080 that can from our anthropological phenomenological perspective fall on us yes what's the problem

00:51:50.480 and this is a linguistically acceptable for the reasons aforementioned understanding of the verse but

00:51:55.120 let's move a little bit further if really and this is the undercutter here so wait for it wait for it

00:52:01.440 if really the quran's picture of the heaven the sama is that of a solid object my question to you

00:52:09.200 is this how could the prophet muhammad do israel or ma'raj through a solid object see how embarrassing

00:52:14.480 that must i mean as i say this to you now how embarrassed do you feel as the anti-islamic

00:52:19.440 apologists very embarrassing isn't it and the quran even says it's mentioned in chapter number six 0.96

00:52:25.040 you know verse 125 he even says he's talking about whoever allah wants to misguide

00:52:36.720 he makes his chest constrained it's as if he is uh ascending in the heaven how is this conceivable if

00:52:48.000 the so if the heaven is a solid object i rest my case ladies and gentlemen wallahi i rest it i rest my

00:52:53.680 case yeah i mean sorry to say this should never be heard again now it's so embarrassing they are

00:52:58.400 saying that the quran says that the heaven is a solid object when one of the most uh uh central

00:53:04.720 things in the prophet sirah biography is that he done isra uh and he done isra and ma'raj he went up the

00:53:12.880 heaven uh how can you go up the heaven when it's a solid object come on please really really these

00:53:18.960 people do not employ critical reasoning when they're dealing with the quran now another ishkel that's 1.00

00:53:25.040 somewhat a problematized thing that someone can say is that how come now if we take it on face value

00:53:30.000 and we're not saying it's a part of the heaven that falls can we still understand it to mean that

00:53:35.200 the heaven is some kind of the fabric of space is going to implode upon itself or is going to create

00:53:39.840 a black hole or something like that and that it would appear to us as if it's falling if that is

00:53:43.840 the case allahu alam god knows best the k fear or the howness of how such um how such a thing would

00:53:51.440 take place and how it would look from our perspective if it was in this for example initial phases or if it

00:53:57.280 was in this end phases is something we cannot speculate on but we should remember that allah when

00:54:02.320 he's speaking to the human being he is speaking to him in his own anthropocentric

00:54:09.680 phenomenological perspective and that means from his his perspectival is from his perspective

00:54:16.000 and i i rest my case i don't think there's anything more to be said about this

00:54:23.920 today inshallah we're going to be talking about a hadith which is uh all over the anti-islamic

00:54:31.840 type websites and it's in their publications and their videos online which is a hadith which says

00:54:37.520 That whoever wakes up and consumes seven dates of ajwa kind, that poison will not afflict him and sihr, which is magic, will not afflict him. 0.98

00:54:57.000 And they say this is an unscientific type of hadith because they say, how could it be the case when the chemical agents or properties within the dates, there's nothing within them that would indicate to us from a scientific perspective that they could be immunizing to things as chemically destructive as poison.

00:55:18.300 So how can you understand this hadith and doesn't this hadith fly in the face of 21st century scientific discovery?

00:55:24.220 Now, first, in order to answer this question, let's take a look at what some of the commentators of this hadith of full time have mentioned.

00:55:31.760 So, for example, Al-Khattabi, who is a scholar of the 4th century, died 388 AH, he says actually it's not because of a specific property within the dates.

00:55:42.560 He says there's nothing within the date that actually has that immunizing capacity.

00:55:48.800 He says, it's not because of a specific characteristic or attribute within the date,

00:55:55.800 where innama is because of the da'wah of the Prophet Muhammad SAW or the blessings of the da'wah of the Prophet Muhammad SAW.

00:56:02.640 And many of the scholars have looked at this hadith in this kind of way.

00:56:07.920 Ibn al-Qayyim said, no, it's for a special time and a special place and it's not applicable to us.

00:56:12.400 Al-Khattabi said, it can only be seen to be applicable to us if it goes through the experimental method and succeeds in the sense that we can actually prove that the dates are in fact immunizing to poison.

00:56:27.860 And this shows us that the commentators of hadith had a very sober approach to science and hadith and science in Quran.

00:56:37.160 They understood that sometimes these are two separate areas of jurisdiction, if you like, and sometimes they have an overlap.

00:56:46.060 Now, before we continue with this hadith, the opinion of al-Khattabi, which says it's not a specific property in the date,

00:56:53.900 seems to be well represented, if we look at other hadiths, because there's another hadith,

00:56:58.240 which the Prophet Muhammad SAW, he told us in the, what you call the evening supplications,

00:57:03.200 which we should all be making, by the way, beautiful supplications we should be making in the morning and the evening,

00:57:11.900 that will cause protection for us and so on.

00:57:14.020 One of these words of protection is,

00:57:17.320 I seek refuge with the perfect words of God from the evil from which he created.

00:57:28.380 And the Prophet Muhammad SAW, he said about this, he said, whoever says this,

00:57:33.320 He said that whoever says this, nothing will afflict him or no harm will afflict him.

00:57:39.400 Now, wait a minute, if the date hadith was intended to be an immunization,

00:57:46.300 a physical or chemical immunization,

00:57:49.320 then how comes we find similar or even more generic,

00:57:53.400 even more generic types of terminology used in other hadiths?

00:57:57.100 If you think about this, this cannot mean it's a physical thing,

00:58:01.300 because this is a supplication which doesn't necessitate any consumption of anything physical at all.

00:58:07.440 So, this hadith of the dates, from that perspective,

00:58:11.980 it follows that it wouldn't be because of the properties of the date,

00:58:16.400 but it's because of the ibadah or the worship of doing, eating seven dates.

00:58:22.220 So, it's a worship, just like drinking Zamzam water is a worship,

00:58:25.420 just like doing wudu is a worship, just like making dua is a worship.

00:58:29.320 And yes, we believe if you do that particular worship,

00:58:32.080 Allah will protect you, yes, from sum, from poison,

00:58:37.100 and yes, from sehr, yes, He will, unless there is a mana.

00:58:41.540 And the mawana or the preventers can be many.

00:58:45.040 Like, for example, to give you an example,

00:58:48.100 there is a hadith which says that if you make dua,

00:58:51.420 if you supplicate to God, but then your actions,

00:58:54.140 your income, and your consumption is all haram,

00:58:59.740 it's all impermissible,

00:59:01.880 then how can it be that your supplication will be accepted?

00:59:07.040 Even though the Quran says,

00:59:08.620 that if my slave asks me about me,

00:59:15.940 then say I am near, then I am near.

00:59:18.440 I answer the call of the caller when he calls.

00:59:23.480 So, Allah is telling us, He's going to answer a dua, 0.99

00:59:25.760 but in other parts of the sunnah and the Quran,

00:59:27.940 He indicates to us that actually there are mawana'a to dua,

00:59:31.640 which are, for example, if you have haram income,

00:59:34.240 if you have haram, if you commit sins, and so on and so forth.

00:59:37.220 Thus, the same kind of principle can be understood

00:59:39.460 with this hadith of the dates,

00:59:41.680 which is that, in general, yes, you eat the seven dates,

00:59:44.660 and yes, you will be protected and immunized from these things

00:59:48.600 by Allah's will, so long as there's no mawana'a, 1.00

00:59:51.660 so long as there's no preventer,

00:59:52.780 in much the same way as you ask Allah for whatever you like,

00:59:55.960 so long as it's halal, and it's not doing haram,

00:59:58.780 and Allah will answer you,

01:00:01.320 so long as there's no mawana'a, there's no preventer, 0.99

01:00:04.000 and that's impossible to disprove from a scientific perspective,

01:00:07.400 and I hope that answers the question.

01:00:09.220 Wassalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.

01:00:14.660 Today, inshallah, we're going to be talking about

01:00:17.240 one of the most specious claims

01:00:19.000 that has come out of this science-era narrative,

01:00:22.440 which is this claim that there's a hadith of the Prophet,

01:00:25.200 which supposedly says that the earth is on the back of a whale,

01:00:28.120 and the whale is on the back of a...

01:00:30.040 is balancing on some kind of a rock or something to this effect,

01:00:33.260 and this hadith is fabricated.

01:00:36.060 I mean, I don't want to waste too much time with this video,

01:00:37.720 and just to be honest with you,

01:00:39.080 this hadith is absolutely weak,

01:00:41.620 weak in its sanad, its chain,

01:00:43.520 and weak in its content.

01:00:46.040 It's what it's saying.

01:00:48.100 If you look at the sanad, let's start with that,

01:00:50.280 the chain of narration, we'll know that

01:00:51.900 حَزِنَ عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بِنْ وَهَبِ

01:00:54.340 حَزِنَ عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بِنْ عَيَاشِ

01:00:55.920 حَزِنَ الدْرَاجِ بِنْ سَمْعَانِ

01:00:57.300 حَزِنَ عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بِنْ سُلَيْمَنَ الْطَوِيلِ

01:01:00.160 And all of those individuals, all of them,

01:01:02.140 without exception, are weak narrators.

01:01:04.460 And in fact, Ibn Kathir mentions in his B'dayun,

01:01:06.540 Nihaya, at the beginning and the end,

01:01:08.160 that this is a fabrication that is taken from the Isra'iliyyat,

01:01:11.620 from the kind of tales of the Judo-Christian tradition,

01:01:17.560 or those individuals from that tradition.

01:01:19.300 So this is something which is absolutely fabricated,

01:01:21.720 it's weak in chain, it's weak in narration,

01:01:26.300 it's weak in content,

01:01:27.260 because no doubt this is some kind of a mythological hadith.

01:01:30.420 But why can't you find something like this in the Qur'an?

01:01:32.540 This is really interesting.

01:01:33.960 I mean, it's so easy for everybody,

01:01:35.300 I think, that accesses this kind of hadith,

01:01:39.220 to know that this is absolutely unscientific,

01:01:42.480 and whatever you want to say about this,

01:01:45.280 you can't really, it's indefensible, really,

01:01:47.140 the metan, the content of this hadith.

01:01:49.500 And why can't we find something like that,

01:01:51.920 so glaringly, obviously,

01:01:54.100 against the observable reality in the Qur'an

01:01:56.580 and the authentic sunnah?

01:01:58.040 Why do people have to resort to getting something

01:02:00.400 which is fabricated in order to make a case against Islam?

01:02:04.240 Do you think, and this is another issue,

01:02:06.100 when you look at one of the compendious exegetical works

01:02:09.280 of Tabari and other individuals,

01:02:11.520 where they actually intentionally pour all the material in there,

01:02:14.680 including the weak and fabricated material,

01:02:16.860 so that the scholar who is trained and able to distinguish

01:02:19.800 between the weak and the fabricated narrations,

01:02:22.180 on the one hand,

01:02:23.240 the matruq, the madu'ah, the da'if, and so on,

01:02:26.500 these kinds of varying levels of inauthenticity,

01:02:30.000 and they also put in there the authentic hadith,

01:02:33.060 do you think that as an unqualified personnel that you are,

01:02:36.320 the detractor of Islam coming into some tafsir,

01:02:38.640 just because it's narrated from that tafsir,

01:02:40.880 that it's somehow become authentic?

01:02:42.520 No!

01:02:43.400 This is not how it works,

01:02:44.620 and this is why when the untrained hand

01:02:47.200 reaches into the scholarly works of the Muslims,

01:02:50.520 this is the kind of blunders that they make,

01:02:52.120 but in fact, what they show,

01:02:53.560 is that they have to resort,

01:02:55.160 desperately resort,

01:02:56.580 to these kinds of fabricated narrations

01:02:58.700 that nobody accepts as absolutely embarrassing narration,

01:03:03.540 but why can't you find something so glaringly

01:03:06.040 against the observable reality as this?

01:03:09.040 There's nothing that you'll find in the Qur'an,

01:03:11.040 and once again, the authentic sunnah,

01:03:12.580 that is like that,

01:03:13.220 but nice try, no cigar this time,

01:03:16.040 wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

01:03:22.480 Today, inshallah, we're going to be talking about a contention,

01:03:24.960 a misconception, a misnoma,

01:03:26.620 something which you'll find in some of the anti-Islamic websites,

01:03:30.100 or in anti-Muslim, or anti-Islamic apologetics.

01:03:33.720 They claim that, look, your religion, they say,

01:03:36.240 is a religion which says that you have to go 0.97

01:03:38.420 and drink the urine of camels, 0.87

01:03:41.460 and the milk and urine of camels,

01:03:43.800 what kind of medieval practice is this?

01:03:46.040 We have come a long way,

01:03:47.140 by way of pharmacology and medicine,

01:03:50.360 and look, your religion wants to bring us back.

01:03:52.580 Your religion wants to bring us back 1.00

01:03:54.700 to the dark ages.

01:03:58.200 This is what they claim,

01:04:00.100 but is this a true claim?

01:04:02.140 And what are they basing this claim on?

01:04:03.520 They're basing this claim on a hadith in Sahih Bukhari,

01:04:06.240 where some individuals came to the Prophet Muhammad SAW

01:04:08.300 having some kind of a disease,

01:04:11.800 and complaining of severe pain and torment from that disease,

01:04:15.400 and they came to him and he advised them

01:04:16.940 to go and drink the urine of the camel

01:04:19.520 and drink the milk of the camel.

01:04:21.700 Now, one might argue that this is completely unscientific,

01:04:25.700 and why would he do such a thing?

01:04:27.400 Why would the Prophet Muhammad SAW do such a thing? 1.00

01:04:29.480 Is there any kind of scientific backing for this at all?

01:04:31.820 Well, first and foremost,

01:04:33.360 we need to understand that this hadith is not aam.

01:04:35.740 It's khas. 0.98

01:04:36.540 It's not general, but specific.

01:04:39.640 It was specific to those people in that time,

01:04:41.820 in that place.

01:04:43.040 I mean, if the Prophet Muhammad SAW 0.99

01:04:44.200 was in this time, in the 21st century,

01:04:47.800 I'm pretty certain that he would have referred

01:04:49.660 those individuals to the hospitals

01:04:51.200 or to the pharmacies.

01:04:53.100 But you have to remember

01:04:54.060 that this was situation specific.

01:04:57.200 So those individuals that came there,

01:04:58.700 the question is, what might they have had?

01:05:01.820 What kind of conditions might they have had?

01:05:03.440 No, we can speculate.

01:05:04.260 We can say that they might have had edema

01:05:05.980 or some kind of fluid buildup

01:05:07.160 in the stomach and in the liver.

01:05:08.560 We can make those things

01:05:09.960 because camel urine is rich in potassium

01:05:12.640 and it's also rich in albumin.

01:05:17.200 And quite frankly, urine is something

01:05:18.680 which we find in some medication.

01:05:21.000 I mean, primarine is a medication

01:05:23.860 which takes in, as part of this,

01:05:27.440 one of the components of this medication

01:05:29.600 is the urine of mare.

01:05:32.040 Pregnant mare, actually pregnant mare urine. 1.00

01:05:34.300 So this is not a foreign concept

01:05:35.860 of using urine for medicationists,

01:05:38.940 even today in the 21st century.

01:05:41.020 But it's not to say that we as Muslims,

01:05:43.360 when we're not suffering from anything

01:05:44.660 and we have all of the facilitation

01:05:47.020 by way of medical advancement in the 21st century,

01:05:50.300 should be going and drinking camel urine 1.00

01:05:52.140 and going to drink the urine, 0.83

01:05:54.560 sorry, the milk of the camel,

01:05:56.520 as a way to try and alleviate our illnesses.

01:05:59.780 And the evidence of this is so clear in the Quran.

01:06:03.280 تسألوا أهل الذكر إن كنتم لا تعلمون

01:06:05.260 Go and ask the people of specialism

01:06:06.980 if you don't know the Quran, it says,

01:06:08.600 thereby giving authority to doctors.

01:06:11.320 The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ tells us

01:06:13.160 to go to those reputable doctors.

01:06:15.980 And he even says those

01:06:18.000 مَن تَطَبَّبَهُ وَلَمْ يَكُمْ بِالطُبِّ مَعْرُوفًا

01:06:20.900 Whoever tries to be a doctor

01:06:23.660 and is not someone who is known in medicine

01:06:27.540 or as a practitioner of medicine

01:06:29.680 and he harms somebody or kills someone,

01:06:32.200 then he will be punished for so doing.

01:06:35.020 So there is clear direction,

01:06:37.160 redirection from the Islamic paradigm

01:06:39.640 of going to those specialists,

01:06:42.840 those medical specialists for our needs.

01:06:44.340 So no, this is not a general

01:06:47.400 kind of directive from the Prophet

01:06:50.380 or prescription of the Prophet.

01:06:52.180 In fact, even the medieval scholars

01:06:54.060 like Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawzi

01:06:55.100 make this very clear in their tracts

01:06:56.460 and their kutub, in their books

01:06:58.540 about the prophetic medicine and so on and so on.

01:07:01.100 This is a specific kind of remedy

01:07:04.180 for a specific kind of people

01:07:05.260 in a specific kind of context.

01:07:07.440 And yes, we can try and speculate

01:07:10.620 as to what these individuals may have had

01:07:12.180 and what that prescription,

01:07:13.360 if you want to pull it in,

01:07:15.040 there's a prescription would have had

01:07:16.540 by way of relieving effect to those individuals.

01:07:20.220 So really, there's no way you can go

01:07:23.660 in this criticism

01:07:24.920 because what can you say?

01:07:26.320 That potassium and albumin

01:07:28.140 and calcium, whatever it is,

01:07:29.860 in the cocktail or prescriptions

01:07:31.260 that Prophet ﷺ told those individuals

01:07:32.760 would have had no relieving effect

01:07:35.000 for absolutely any disease

01:07:36.680 that can come in.

01:07:38.320 You can't make that claim, unfortunately.

01:07:39.920 You'd have to be making that claim.

01:07:41.400 you'd have to say for you to have a kind of valid scientific argument here if you want to call it

01:07:45.780 that you'd have to say that this cocktail of prescriptions that the prophet gave to those

01:07:49.980 individuals would have been useless in any disease that those individuals would have had and that's

01:07:55.540 an impossible claim because we know that there are nutrients they're nutrient rich those things

01:07:59.580 that cocktail of uh things that we've just talked about the camel urine and the milk has potassium

01:08:04.380 albumin and other things so unless you want to be brave enough to make a claim like that which can

01:08:09.400 be easily refuted and has been really if you think about what i've just said then i would say

01:08:13.980 stop being immature if urine is part of the drugs that we take consume in the 21st century this is

01:08:20.100 not a way of disproving the prophet heard of prophet muhammad salam really what this is is a cheap way 0.90

01:08:24.840 of trying to mock the religion of islam and the prophet of islam but the joke is on you oh detractor

01:08:30.640 because the truth of the matter the reality of the situation is that the prophet and islam gives us

01:08:36.000 clear directives to go to those who are specialists in the field including of course

01:08:40.360 medical professionals wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

01:08:43.500 today inshallah we're going to be discussing the issue of geocentrism in the quran or the supposed

01:08:53.360 geocentrism that the retractors had supposedly found in the quran all over the verses in the quran

01:08:59.520 that is so glaringly obvious for us that we have not been able to detect it but let's take a look at

01:09:05.320 this claim and see how honest it is whether it's actually isegetical or exegetical in nature

01:09:10.300 what is the claim the claim is that in the quran in those verses where the orbits of the sun and the

01:09:16.520 moon are mentioned that this indicates to us at least it implies to us maybe in implicit reference

01:09:24.440 or inference that the sun is going around the earth this is their claim so what kind of verses do they

01:09:31.760 use before i get to what kind of verses they use we should point to the fact that we've done an

01:09:36.980 entire video on the hadith of prostration of abu dhalil ghafari and this can be found in the

01:09:43.100 description box below and you should be looking at inshallah also if you have your time all the

01:09:48.160 other videos we've done in this series because potentially we have other answers because a lot

01:09:52.580 of these videos are actually intertwined in terms of the themes and content of these videos so let's move

01:09:56.660 on and talk about where in fact they're talking about this uh these uh geocentric references in

01:10:03.960 the quran so they'll they'll mention for example chapter number 39 verse number five

01:10:08.180 he rolls the day into the night and he rolls the night into the day and he has made the sun move

01:10:20.140 subservient for you and each of them are running in an orbit so does this mean to say from this verse

01:10:26.420 or other verses but let's go with this verse first that the sun is going around the earth no there is

01:10:32.280 no such indication at all the only way in this verse and we'll see in other verses that they quote

01:10:37.780 that you could come to the conclusion that is saying that the sun is going around the earth is if you

01:10:43.220 impose you superimpose that understanding you have already a preconceived understanding of

01:10:49.220 geocentrism in the quran and now you are trying to force that interpretation onto the quran you'll

01:10:54.180 not find quite frankly you will not find quite frankly any verse in the quran which simply states

01:11:00.300 the sun goes around the earth and how easy would it have been for such a verse to be there look at

01:11:05.900 surah shams chapter number 91 of the quran

01:11:09.260 the sun and as it illuminates the day or the the rays of the light

01:11:20.600 and as the moon follows the sun now does this mean it's following in a in a geocentric orbit

01:11:30.400 no it doesn't have to mean that because in islamic cosmology we know that the the day follows the

01:11:35.860 night and the night follows the day and that's the anthropocentric phenomenological perspective

01:11:40.600 we see that the night these are sequences that we see from our perspective but actually quite frankly

01:11:47.920 the sun the moon does actually follow the sun i mean a lot of these individuals have not even touched

01:11:53.560 have not even touched the basics of cosmology uh i mean i don't it's very surprising that they're

01:12:01.120 making all these scientific claims and they don't realize that the sun is not just stationary it's

01:12:06.100 revolving around its own axis and it's running through the fabric of space taking with it all of

01:12:11.340 those planets that are around it and of course all the moons that exist within the solar system as well

01:12:15.740 so in in reality that the moon is actually following the sun and also from our perspective the moon is

01:12:22.060 following the sun look at the beauty and the brevity and the conciseness of the quranic expression

01:12:28.420 such that an individual doesn't have to do hermeneutical acrobatics or hermeneutical gymnastics

01:12:34.180 in order to come to a conclusion like this so we're not trying to force things into the book

01:12:38.580 they also mention chapter number 21 verse number 33 where it says that

01:12:43.060 the sun and the moon it says that all of it is in a falak yes but that's true the sun does have

01:12:51.240 a falak the moon does have a falak how is that wrong from a heliocentric perspective

01:12:55.920 once again the argument is so lacking quite frankly so lacking is actually i was contemplating whether

01:13:02.880 or not to dignify this with a response i really was because it's so weak now what is the strongest

01:13:11.440 part of their argument let me discuss it with you the strongest part of their argument which is not

01:13:16.340 strong at all but let's just go with it it's those parts of the argument where they mention for

01:13:21.020 example the qissa or the story of ibrahim alayhi salam and his interaction with nimrod which is in

01:13:26.080 chapter number two verse number 258 where allah narrates that ibrahim alayhi salam says

01:13:32.160 that allah brings the the sun from the east so bring it from the west and so this nimrod this king that 1.00

01:13:42.200 he was having a conversation with the interlocutor was not able to do so and then he was dumbfounded

01:13:46.900 and bedazzled and he realized you know he was dumbstruck if you want to call it that whatever it

01:13:52.460 may be for buhit aladhi kafir the one who disbelieved let's say look it's saying here from the east and

01:13:57.680 from the west and therefore the assumption is a stationary earth and that the sun is going around the

01:14:02.960 earth really because let's look at chapter number 18 verse number 17 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

01:14:09.380 that you see that when those individuals are in the cave you see the sun when it has rise it goes to

01:14:26.800 the left of them and when it sets it goes to the right of them when it's setting it's going at the

01:14:37.840 left so it's the right when it's when it's rising and the left when it's setting now what is right

01:14:42.760 and left take about this for a second right and left will be absolutely useless references unless

01:14:48.720 there is a point of reference what do you mean by that even on a stationary earth model or a stationary

01:14:55.680 stationary flat earth or stationary round earth whatever you want to say that the the right and left

01:15:01.720 have no meaning unless we're talking about a specific reference point and if the quran is

01:15:09.460 talking about the right and left of them yes then this is perspectival there's no doubt about that

01:15:16.400 then it has to be but through the perspective of those individuals there and what in what perspective

01:15:21.740 is it it's the anthropocentric phenomenological perspective it has to be like that otherwise it

01:15:26.080 wouldn't make sense it would be meaningless statements from the left and the right because

01:15:31.340 yeah i mean if you don't understand this wallahi this shows illiteracy intellectual illiteracy

01:15:37.500 intellectual foolishness clear clearly is from the anthropocentric central perspective from the

01:15:46.200 human perspective as a reference point so if you look at all of those verses in the quran and

01:15:51.180 something quite interesting for your information that if you look at chapter number 36 verse number

01:15:56.140 40 and that's actually funny enough funny enough and interestingly enough that's something they also

01:16:00.660 mention chapter number 36 number 40 uh before and even the literalists our literal scholars like

01:16:10.380 you want to call him a literalist or whatever you want to call him al-abani uh he looked at this verse

01:16:15.540 and he says it starts from i think it was verse number 24 or something like this when allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

01:16:20.800 that a sign for them is the the dead earth so he moves from the earth and then he goes to the sun

01:16:31.660 and then it goes to the qamar and then he says

01:16:39.640 showing he he makes the claim that linguistically this is possible linguistically absolutely possible

01:16:45.940 it's conjunctive so it could absolutely be the case that the the earth the sun and the moon all of them

01:16:53.540 are in orbit and that is linguistically possible we're not going to say jazman like absolutely this

01:16:58.800 is the case but it's a possibility and from all of those perspectives and more we show that the quran

01:17:03.840 is a timeless book with multi-layered facilitation meaning that if someone from the seventh century were

01:17:09.680 to look at it and approach it with their naturalistic understanding and outlook they would not be

01:17:15.460 confused and one when someone from our from from our century 21st century looks at it we would not

01:17:21.820 be confused and we don't even find it quite frankly against the cosmology of uh of today or the popular

01:17:27.100 cosmologies of today so from all of those perspectives and more it would seem that they are clutching at

01:17:31.960 straws trying their best really trying their best to force an eisegesis of the quran with their 1.00

01:17:38.720 superimpositions and their contriving the pretextual contriving into the verses of the quran and i would 0.76

01:17:47.180 say that this is a fool's attempt and it has been disproven and debunked and it should be left in the

01:17:53.040 dustbin of history and i hope this answers the question was salam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh 0.82

01:18:01.960 today inshallah we're going to be talking about another claim that is made by the proponents of

01:18:07.840 scientific miracles and we're not saying by the way that all of their claims are false we're saying

01:18:12.180 that the method itself has limitations and we've discussed this the limitations of the methods in

01:18:18.520 the in the video about big bang and there will be a discussion another video about the multi-layered

01:18:23.540 approach which is we believe a more sophisticated approach to dealing with naturalistic verses in the

01:18:28.520 quran but in terms of this now the uh the claim that is usually made when trying to prove islam is

01:18:35.020 scientific is a claim uh in chapter number 79 verse number 30 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

01:18:41.120 and they said or they they translate this to mean and the earth we have made it into an ostrich egg

01:18:48.740 now this is a false translation with all due respect to all of those who are making this or saying this

01:18:54.760 it's a false translation which is why to my knowledge i don't think anybody has ever translated

01:18:59.140 that into the english language in this way and not only this but we would see that all of the exegetes

01:19:05.540 of all time in the medieval period practically all of them or none of them had said anything like this

01:19:10.780 so this is probably one of the worst examples with all due respect once again of distortion and

01:19:17.160 superimposition and contriving meanings into the verse which are not actually there in any way shape or

01:19:22.300 form so what does this verse actually mean it means that allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has smoothed over

01:19:28.280 the earth in other words he hasn't made it craterous in such a way as the moon is for example we can move

01:19:34.120 around the earth and there are flat surfaces all over the earth now why do these individuals or what

01:19:40.360 potential tenuous link could individuals make between an ostrich egg and this verse well an ostrich egg is

01:19:48.280 referred not even the ostrich egg by the way sorry uh the place wherein which and this is the uh degree

01:19:54.260 of uh tenuousness uh in this in this attempt here the place wherein which the ostrich lays this egg is

01:20:03.020 called a mudha this is called that not not the ostrich egg the bayda itself of the naana not the ostrich egg

01:20:11.240 itself but the place in which the ostrich puts this egg is called a mudha now this isn't the noun

01:20:17.840 but this verb in the sorry this verse in the in this in the area is not mentioning a noun so how can

01:20:24.580 you translate it as a noun because the verse is a verb dahaha he done dahaha to it ha is aida

01:20:31.200 yeah it is because ard is mu'annatha is feminine in the arabic language so allah has smoothed the

01:20:41.220 over and he's kind of removed the craters or has made it not removed the craters hasn't made it craterous

01:20:45.900 in such the same way as maybe the moon is or has put so many mountains that would find difficulty to

01:20:51.460 move around in the environment this is what is practically all the mufassirun have said from

01:20:57.440 al-tabari to ibn kathir to al-razi to i haven't seen anybody quite frankly who has understood this

01:21:03.840 meaning to mean that it's a place where the where the air sorry the the earth is made into an egg now

01:21:09.440 this doesn't mean that the earth is projected in the quran as being flat as we've said before there's

01:21:15.000 there is precedent using verses from the quran using verses from the quran that indicate the

01:21:21.180 rotundity or the rotundity sorry or the roundness of the earth and we have actually an entire video which

01:21:26.420 you can see in the description box which elaborates upon them but briefly i'll just mention that this

01:21:31.000 is chapter number 39 verse number five he rose the night into the day and he rose the day into the

01:21:39.980 night so takweer here comes from the arabic word quran which means ball and this is what ibn hazm

01:21:47.000 in his book al-fisal he mentions he mentions that this and by the way he was like fourth century or

01:21:52.520 fifth century so he is a medieval scholar uh that came before you know the scientific revolutions

01:21:57.760 and he said he used this verse he used this verse in surat al-zumar chapter number 39 verse number five

01:22:03.840 to indicate that the earth is round and this is not just him we talked about ibn tamir mentioning

01:22:09.600 tabais like ibn moneda who uh say that the earth is round and in fact he says it's ishmaa it's a

01:22:15.240 consensus not only this but ibn jawzi who we mentioned in the previous video about the big bang

01:22:19.860 uh ibn jawzi also mentions the rotundity of the earth many scholars fakhruddin al-razi does and

01:22:26.920 his tafsir and many other people do and they they they they can do this like i've just mentioned with

01:22:32.080 ibn hazm by looking at verses of the quran which linguistically indicate the rotundity of the earth

01:22:37.100 now having said this okay we've said that there was this difference of opinion and we're not saying

01:22:41.940 that no one in islamic history has ever said that the earth is flat and there have been individuals

01:22:45.920 that have tried to use the quran to indicate the flatness of the earth that might be true as well

01:22:50.040 but we always say that is definitely not the only interpretation and islam is quite unique quite

01:22:56.600 frankly in that it has exegetes who use verses from it to indicate the rotundity of the earth whereas

01:23:04.520 you'll find uh in in other scriptures like for example the old testament uh and the new testament the

01:23:10.880 patristic scholarship all the way up to probably uh augustine that have uh done exegesis of of the

01:23:16.280 bible on these matters none of them uh probably up until the time of augustine believed that the

01:23:21.640 earth was round anyway and those who did never use verses from the bible including that tenuous verse

01:23:27.400 in uh the book of isaiah uh chapter number 40 where it says the circle of the earth no one understood the

01:23:32.740 circle of the earth as meaning the ball of the earth and therefore no one used the bible

01:23:36.900 in uh in in patristic scholarship as we see as we can see by looking at all of the exegesis

01:23:42.680 uh in the first 300 years of christianity using the bible or even the the midrash the uh the the the

01:23:50.420 the jewish texts which are which were written quite astonishingly and interestingly enough sometimes

01:23:55.700 after the patristic uh texts were uh exegeted they don't use the biblical verses to indicate the

01:24:02.660 rotundity of the earth the spherical nature of the earth if they do believe it it might be due

01:24:06.800 to the fact they they had greek influence and this tenuous verse the circle of the earth does not

01:24:12.240 and has not meant for the uh uh the authors of uh midrash meaning the uh the the exegesis of the

01:24:20.680 old testament to mean rotundity and there's no scholar that has ever used in the first 300 years

01:24:26.280 of christianity or even in the midrash any verse to indicate that the earth is round in the bible

01:24:32.540 but there have been uh scholars who have used verses from the quran uh very early scholars to

01:24:38.280 indicate that the earth is round now why am i saying this because i'm offering a solution

01:24:43.300 but why don't what we can't endorse with all due respect is superimpositions onto the text i actually

01:24:49.760 believe a retraction is necessary here because there is no precedent for this there's no precedent for

01:24:55.180 anyone saying that this verse means that we have made the earth ostrich egged no one has said that

01:24:59.920 of all due respect and therefore we have to be humble and we have to be sincere and we have to

01:25:04.940 make a retraction here because this is the quran we're talking about and allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

01:25:09.700 says he mentions many things and of the worst things that you can do and he says at the end of

01:25:17.080 the verse that you say about allah which you don't know and so this is not what allah has intended

01:25:24.080 because it's not uh facilitated by the language and there should be a healthy retraction

01:25:28.600 by those proponents of the scientific miracle narrative who have said this um who have said

01:25:34.140 there should be a retraction because we can't be demanding from all of those scientific error people

01:25:39.400 okay the anti-muslims anti-islam apologists all these retractions and not be introspective and

01:25:46.880 self-reflective in our own communities and we have to try and get yani sanctify the words of allah

01:25:53.780 subhanahu wa ta'ala as much as we can and these are the dangers of the scientific miracles narrative

01:25:57.980 where you almost forcibly superimpose meanings of science into the into the text where there's no

01:26:04.360 requirement to do so because there's actually healthy alternatives with great precedent and which

01:26:08.460 are facilitated by the language in the very quran that we believe in so uh this uh one of the

01:26:14.440 weakness uh weaknesses of the scientific miracles narrative but as i've said in the beginning of

01:26:18.540 this video that we will be talking about the multi-layered approach and how it solves these

01:26:23.040 problems and more and it's much more sophisticated and it doesn't fall into the pitfalls uh of the

01:26:28.500 scientific miracles narrative that we've seen for the last uh maybe 20 years and i hope that answers

01:26:32.580 the question was salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah

01:26:34.020 today inshallah we're going to be talking about the big bang and whether or not the quran 1.00

01:26:42.180 talks about the big bang or actively teaches the big bang and of course this is a ubiquitous

01:26:48.200 kind of claim that you find with those who espouse the scientific miracles narrative both in the

01:26:53.820 western world in the english-speaking world and of course the middle east as well i'm sure in other

01:26:57.980 parts of the world that i don't have access to unfortunately because my language skills are

01:27:02.380 limited but let's say um let's answer this question the question of whether the quran or not actively

01:27:08.760 speaks about the big bang before we do this though i think it's very important to note that here at

01:27:14.960 sapiens institute we think that the most sophisticated way of dealing with the quran in in so much as it 1.00

01:27:22.260 talks about the naturalistic phenomena of the world is to apply a multi-layered approach and this approach

01:27:28.300 really says that the quran speaks in a simple and concise yet powerful and rich way which communicates

01:27:34.400 with different audiences from the 7th century all the way through to the 21st century and it also says

01:27:41.800 that when we're looking at verses when we're looking at verses we need to allow ambiguities to remain as

01:27:48.840 ambiguities in other words picking one of many different interpretations and claiming that this is a

01:27:54.640 scientific miracle is a limitation now obviously this method requires or the multi-layered method requires a

01:28:00.340 video in its own right it deserves more attention and of course we're going to we're going to do that but for the

01:28:06.220 purposes of today we're not going to be going into much depth however there's one more thing i think

01:28:11.860 is important to put forward in terms of conceptual analysis which is david chats his conceptual

01:28:18.280 compartmentalization of concordism into two different types now what is concordism concordism loosely defined

01:28:25.720 is the propensity of a scripture whether it's the bible or the quran or whatever to be in agreement

01:28:32.140 with science or to actually actively teach science now david chats divides it into two different things

01:28:37.420 he refers to as bold concordism and modest concordism so bold concordism is really the postulation that

01:28:44.560 the scripture is actively speaking about said scientific phenomena and modest concordism is that the

01:28:50.360 scripture may not speak about it in such explicit terms but indeed is not against it in such explicit

01:28:57.480 terms whatever said phenomena is i think the modest concordist position is much more tenable from a

01:29:04.620 hermeneutical and exegetical perspective now let's move on to this uh this big bang example and look at

01:29:11.220 the verses so obviously this is chapter number 21 verse number 30 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

01:29:16.100 you know that the unit the heavens and the earth canata ratqam fa fataknahuma they were both one piece

01:29:21.980 so we separated them this is a loose translation and it's a very legitimate translation because if you look at

01:29:26.900 the exegetes like tabari and ibn kathir and kurtobi and all of these major kind of exegetes of the past

01:29:33.460 and obviously also the arabic language ratq and fatq literally just means ratq for something to be

01:29:40.580 together and fatq for them to be separated however when you look at what these exegetes say they do 0.75

01:29:46.320 actually expound on different types of meaning so for example yes it does say that the heavens and the

01:29:53.240 earth were together and then we cleved them asunder or whatever way separated them or whatever way you

01:29:57.360 want to translate it but they also say that this could mean that this is when the uh the sama or the

01:30:04.460 skies started to rain and when the uh grounds started to produce vegetation this is another exegesis that is

01:30:11.920 of the same verse and many of the salaf and many of those medieval commentators took this as the as

01:30:18.020 the primary meaning in fact and that is why uh the next verse talks about we have made for more to

01:30:23.140 every living thing that says it makes more sense in that sense but we will leave both of those

01:30:27.200 interpretations as valid interpretations now those interpretations and more have been said about this

01:30:34.100 verse so to choose one of them are we justified in choosing one of them because the dominant scientific

01:30:40.140 theory of the day is uh espouses or is closer to that one of them i think we should be more reserved and

01:30:48.320 conservative with this because quite frankly of all the different kinds of sciences that are out there

01:30:53.260 you could argue making a strong argument that physics and especially astronomy is the most volatile in

01:30:59.180 terms of change i mean paradigm shifts we know not only the newtonian to einsteinian shift but all kinds of

01:31:05.720 theories have been elaborated upon in the last hundred years in science and astronomy i mean string theory

01:31:10.900 oscillating universe eternal universes i mean you could see from the from the writings of some of the

01:31:16.380 most prominent scientists that we have like roger penrose for example and in 10 or 20 years he changes his

01:31:21.480 mind on very foundational issues when it comes to cosmology therefore to pin you know a verse in the

01:31:28.140 quran on the changing and corrigible and chain uh moving if you like scientific discourse i think is

01:31:36.620 quite dangerous because what if in in 50 years in 70 years or 100 years the dominant cosmology is

01:31:43.160 different and that is a very plausible scientific possibility it's extremely plausible for the dominant

01:31:50.120 cosmology to have shifted and for this reason this for me defines another limitation of saying that the

01:31:56.620 quran talks about the big bang theory which is that okay if you're saying this today let's see if you

01:32:02.140 remain consistent maybe if your grandchildren remain consistent that have your same methodology where

01:32:08.020 all of these western scientists are now changing their mind and it becomes an oscillating theory and then

01:32:14.080 maybe you go to another interpretation but this movement of science and also the fact that there are

01:32:20.200 different interpretations kind of says to me that we shouldn't be cherry-picking verses and trying to make

01:32:26.300 them match you know the interpretations match with modern day scientific phenomena because if we do

01:32:31.480 that we're actually outlining a failed hermeneutic and we're actually justifying for those individuals

01:32:39.040 who are attacking islam the detractors of islam who use one of many interpretations which might be

01:32:45.000 unscientific and legitimate through the language that this is a legitimate recourse so if we're saying that

01:32:50.720 we will will take one of many different interpretations and now we're going to elaborate upon that

01:32:54.880 then that what that does is it opens a can of worms because now the uh the detractor or anti-muslim

01:33:00.960 apologist is well justified in saying that according to the quran the heaven or sorry the earth was 1.00

01:33:06.480 created before the heaven for example and this is the opinion of this person and that that person

01:33:10.640 well we'll talk we'll come back and say well hold on the opinion of the other person and that person

01:33:14.360 is opposite to that well they'll say well hold on you have justified to yourself taking an ambiguous

01:33:20.480 verse and and saying that it means this when there are these other alternative linguistic alternatives

01:33:25.840 and exegetical alternatives so why are we not within our rights to choose unscientific

01:33:31.600 interpretations and say this is what it means well in fact this whole idea of using ambiguous verses

01:33:38.500 which have more than one interpretation and running with it is exactly the opposite exactly the opposite

01:33:44.420 of what allah subhanahu wa ta'ala tells us to do in the quran that there are this chapter three

01:33:52.580 verse seven it says that this book has uh verses which are foundational and others which are ambiguous

01:33:57.620 for those people who have swerving in their hearts or some kind of deviance in their hearts they will

01:34:06.260 choose yes those interpretations that they uh which are ambiguous and they don't know what the the verse

01:34:14.900 goes on to say they don't know what these interpret no one knows what these the interpretation actually

01:34:19.300 definitely definitively means except for allah and some say also those who are very grounded in the

01:34:25.860 knowledge and some say no not even those because the sentence starts and that's another discussion but

01:34:30.900 the idea is that choosing one of many different interpretations and insisting that this is what the

01:34:36.100 quran says is not the the sophisticated hermeneutical method and in fact it can go into

01:34:42.180 and that you may say about allah which you don't know it may go into that or it could go into what

01:34:49.360 the prophet says whoever lies about me intentionally then let him prepare his seat in the hellfire

01:34:55.940 where you know that there are other interpretations but you're intentionally choosing one so you can fit it

01:35:01.280 with a particular narrative and so this is problematic so from all of those perspectives

01:35:06.520 and that you have changing science that it's a cherry-picking approach that you know it's limited

01:35:13.440 and you know you could even say one of the possible assumptions i'm not saying it's a definitive

01:35:17.340 assumption is that if it is talking about the big bang if let's say that chapter 21 verse number 30

01:35:22.620 is talking about the big bang if it is talking about the big bang does that mean to say that those

01:35:27.920 people in the 7th century who had no knowledge of astronomy would have had this verse or the meaning

01:35:33.320 of this veiled to them like they wouldn't understand the implications of the big bang and so this verse

01:35:38.360 would be meaningless or very very close to being meaningless to them so that would be a yani this 0.62

01:35:45.300 this could be something which is also damaging the truth of the matter is this verse does indicate to

01:35:50.800 us that there was some kind of separation but we don't know what exactly cosmologically it's talking

01:35:56.120 about and similarly you know that the heaven we have in chapter 51 of the quran the heaven we have

01:36:04.000 created it with power and we we are steadily expanding it now yes there are some people even tabais that

01:36:10.520 i've looked at the tafasir in the exegetes that say that uh musion does mean expanding there are some

01:36:16.920 tabais you say that like for example abdul rahman ibn zayd ibn aslam and i've read this in uh uh ibn josey's

01:36:24.680 kitab uh zayd al-masir and so this is definitely represented in the literature i'm not taking that

01:36:30.180 away from uh from from that however there's a few issues it says it doesn't say samat al-dunya for

01:36:36.580 example and we know and we've talked about this in other episodes that samat means all that is in

01:36:40.840 all that is above and so this does not necessitate that it's just a worldly dunya that we associate

01:36:47.020 with the universe so this might be talking about something which is completely above and beyond

01:36:51.560 our understanding because we haven't even accessed the other six heavens for example and it could be

01:36:56.820 talking something above the six heavens because samat could involve the kursi and the arj technically

01:37:01.440 so why are we getting ourselves okay it's talking about the expanding universe for sure we don't know

01:37:06.220 allahu alam if it's talking about the expanding universe for sure because quite frankly the majority

01:37:10.720 of exegetes says inna lamusiaun ay inna laqadirun musiaun means we are able to do so like we are qadir we're

01:37:18.140 able to do so allah we created the heaven with power and we were able to do so and there's no

01:37:22.600 contradiction between the two meanings and yes it could mean both but to insist it's talking about

01:37:27.140 the expanding universe and redshift i think it's a bit uh it's a bit much and if you do insist it's

01:37:32.860 definitely talking about this and this is how we should understand the verse then once again the

01:37:36.180 cherry picking approach and the inconsistencies of it you'd have to afford for the hasm for the

01:37:41.580 interlocutor which in this case will be the anti-muslim apologist who's going to use

01:37:45.840 unscientific interpretations in much the same way as you're using scientific ones so what needs to

01:37:50.900 be done here is we need to remain consistent and we we need to understand the limits of of using this

01:37:58.020 kind of uh evidence and what quite frankly in the last 20 or 30 years we've seen the the strengths and

01:38:03.020 uh weaknesses of this the advantages and disadvantages the advantages if you from a dawah 1.00

01:38:07.960 perspective quite frankly if you try and bring people into islam because of this those people that 1.00

01:38:11.760 you bring into islam because of this will be most affected by the anti-islamic apologists when they

01:38:16.620 provide for them for for them uh equal or similar types of argumentation using equal or similar uh

01:38:23.660 methods and so it it could and we have seen and we have the evidence that it could increase apostasy

01:38:29.920 for those particular individuals who have been convinced of islam because of that reason so one 0.96

01:38:34.100 has to exercise extreme caution here and they have to be consistent and they have and they have to do

01:38:39.840 justice to the quran and leave that which is ambiguous as ambiguous and speak with um speak

01:38:47.000 with with a sophisticated tongue not when when it's when it's an ambiguous verse because no one knows

01:38:52.120 really what this verse exactly is talking about and i hope that answers the question but finally i will

01:38:57.860 say as the muslims can we believe in the big bang and can we believe in the expanding universe 0.99

01:39:01.840 and redshift in the beginning of the universe absolutely i don't see any problem with that and in other

01:39:06.040 videos you see that we're talking about for example the the days meaning something which is longer

01:39:10.560 an epoch or generational time period so it doesn't need to mean a 24-hour period so from those

01:39:16.380 perspectives i see no harm in believing the big bang theory so long as you believe that allah is the

01:39:21.540 one who created or who initiated it yeah i don't see any issue with believing it so long as allah is

01:39:27.880 the orchestrator of it and he is this is part of his khalq but you should uh from a scientific

01:39:32.380 perspective be a little bit more less eager and a bit more use the word agnostic really because we

01:39:39.000 don't know for sure how far this big bang theory is uh is true because quite frankly it's under

01:39:45.780 determined from a philosophy of science perspective there's like uh maybe 16 or 17 differing models

01:39:52.340 with very similar epistemic weight and so this under determination should allow us to realize that

01:39:58.420 from an islamic perspective of dhani and it's not qatai uh at dalala and therefore we should not

01:40:04.420 which means it's speculative and it's not something which is certain uh and so we shouldn't need to

01:40:10.760 feel the need to really uh overcompensate here with this issue and i hope that answers the question

01:40:15.220 today inshallah we're going to be tackling a contention that some of these anti-islamic

01:40:28.140 apologists have tried to put forth one that stipulates or that asserts we could say that the quranic

01:40:34.500 presentation of cosmology is one that says that the sun it sets into a murky water spring and why

01:40:41.480 do they say that because of a verse in surah al-kahf chapter 18 of the quran one of the

01:40:46.220 protagonists one of the characters of the quran he goes uh to a certain destination and he says

01:40:52.340 that he sees the sun that he sees he saw the sun uh setting in a muddy spring and they say this shows

01:41:00.640 because uh it's very clear in the quran they would argue that this shows that the sun according to the

01:41:05.120 quranic cosmology yes uh setting in a in a spring of uh murky water now let's let's look at what the

01:41:12.140 mufassirun the exegetes of the quran a full time have said look at baydawi look at ibn kathir look at

01:41:18.000 ibn taymiya even though he didn't do like a you know a tafsir of the quran but he mentions this by

01:41:23.540 mentioning that all of the spheres of the the the falak are mustadira or are spherical and

01:41:29.580 actually mentions in his tafsir that this you know because obviously he was preaching or he was

01:41:35.440 his homiletic type of exegesis was also being preached to a non-arab audience and a lot of

01:41:40.740 individuals they didn't understand that the word wajada could actually mean is perspectivalist from

01:41:45.220 the perspective of the individual he said this obviously not talking about the sun which is many

01:41:49.900 many times bigger than the earth in which we live in sinking into the you know the uh the the spring of

01:41:55.880 uh of murky water in that literalistic sense and what is the evidence of this from the arabic

01:42:00.880 language the evidence of this is the word wajada wajada which is what the word the operative word

01:42:05.920 that is used in this verse it means one of the key meanings of it according to al-as-fahani who wrote

01:42:11.440 obviously one of the most authoritative uh dictionaries for referencing the arabic language uh al-fazh

01:42:17.880 al-qur'an he says in it that this wajada could mean anything from the five senses so it's

01:42:24.400 perspectival and it's something from the five senses that is experienced from the person experiencing

01:42:28.320 them so this wajada is clearly in the arabic language perspectival and it's the anthropocentric

01:42:34.760 phenomenological perspective and so from this perspective it seems to me that this is really

01:42:38.860 flogging a dead horse or trying to put into the quran what they wish really was clear in the quran 0.98

01:42:43.740 and that they hoped was already in there now you imagine sometime after today maybe a hundred years

01:42:49.560 from now or 200 years from now some atheists that live on if the world continues to that that period 0.91

01:42:55.480 of time as they say look at these fools that lived in the 21st century they used to say that the sun 1.00

01:43:00.200 sets but we know from modern science that the sun doesn't set we say that these people are foolish 0.98

01:43:04.540 they don't understand how language works because sunset in the english language because it's not

01:43:08.220 something foreign sunset is is obviously from our perspective it's a linguistic kind of uh not idiom but

01:43:15.200 it's something which is uh common speech and it's not intended in that literalistic way

01:43:20.380 so we would be saying that to them obviously why can't you apply the same kind of common sense with

01:43:27.300 the quranic discourse it's because you're begging you're you're desperate to find some kind of thing

01:43:33.340 an entrance point for your narratives and this is weak another thing that i would add or that they say

01:43:39.040 is that well there's another hadith which corroborates our understanding which is the hadith when the

01:43:43.580 was asked supposedly asked where does the sun say and he says that it goes into a spring of muddy water

01:43:49.740 now this loves of the hadith this particular phraseology of the hadith was um uh was narrated

01:43:56.080 by one individual called uh who is seen as a modelist which means that he's weak basically this

01:44:02.140 individual does something called which means that he doesn't tell us where he gets his information from

01:44:06.740 uh he doesn't tell us who his teacher is and so this is a form of disqualification from the

01:44:13.000 hadith science perspective and so this particular phraseology is not to be understood as strong

01:44:17.920 the and that's why it's not mentioned bukhari in muslim in fact the hadith which is mentioned

01:44:21.840 bukhari is the one that we talked about in the other in the other video which of course you can

01:44:25.000 watch in conjunction with this one if you want more information the hadith of prostration now if

01:44:29.700 one argues that even though this is the case we can do tahsin of the hadith or some kind of

01:44:33.740 strengthening of this hadith and there are some scholars that say this hadith is strong

01:44:37.780 and so on and so forth well we can say that if you want to play with weak hadiths and weak 0.99

01:44:41.560 narrations we can also bring forward the qira of ibn mas'ud and qira of ibn abbas which is actually

01:44:46.960 weak uh but can be argued to be strong in the same or similar senses that this one where it says

01:44:53.020 that the sun runs and it has no place of setting there's actually something which is attributed to

01:45:00.820 both ibn abbas and ibn mas'ud now one can argue if we do take this on board within this one counter

01:45:05.640 to what the quran says that it runs to a place of uh appointed for it

01:45:11.480 well actually the jama'ah could be made or contradistinction can be made between or

01:45:16.000 harmonization could be made between the two in so much as that we can say that one is talking about

01:45:20.220 time or the day of judgment in the case of the the qira which is well known and the other one is

01:45:24.540 talking about place and of course we can make those arguments but i won't make those arguments

01:45:27.860 because we have to stick with the integrity of the islamic tradition of authenticating that which is

01:45:32.180 authentic and leaving inauthentic that which is inauthentic it does not have the um the apparatus

01:45:38.280 for being something which is an authentic hadith that should be taken as uh gospel if you like or

01:45:42.960 in this case uh quran wahi for for the muslim so uh i would say that if you want to play with weak 0.71

01:45:48.540 hadith we can all play with weak hadith and weak narrations and weak qira and in fact the one that i

01:45:52.320 have is much clearer in by way of trying to prove the heliocentric model than the one that they have

01:45:57.060 by way of trying to prove that the sun actually literally uh sets in the spring of muddy water

01:46:02.220 and this of course runs counter to the islamic understanding or the quranic reading where it

01:46:06.720 says that the sun is in its own orbit in chapter number 21 verse number 33 in chapter number 36

01:46:11.040 verse number 40 in chapter in many different chapter number 35 verse 39 verse number five

01:46:15.560 different places the quran so in summary therefore this is a weakened feeble uh contention a specious

01:46:21.120 claim which i hope now has been uh completely and utterly refuted and hopefully that answers the

01:46:26.960 question wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

01:46:28.840 today inshallah we're going to be talking about a contention which is put forward by some of those

01:46:38.440 detractors namely one that talks about the noah's ark narrative now obviously we know this narrative is

01:46:44.060 also in the bible but this specific narrative or this specific uh contention i should say is leveled

01:46:50.360 directly at the quran in particular level that uh chapter 11 verse 40 of the quran where allah

01:46:56.500 subhanahu wa ta'ala says that bring on it from every pair or every kind a pair from every kind a pair

01:47:05.980 male and female so they say it's virtually impossible to fit all the species of the earth

01:47:12.420 all the species male and female on this ship what kind of ship would this be anyway it's virtually

01:47:20.060 impossible to put all these animals and when we say pair i mean they're saying from every it's not even

01:47:24.460 saying animals yes it's saying from every kind or anything that can have a pair really

01:47:33.620 now do we understand this literalistically so the answer to this question is this

01:47:42.620 the operative words here or the word in the arabic language which literally means

01:47:51.320 every in one of the translations of this term is what is the source of confusion because some people

01:47:59.840 read this and have a very literalistic interaction with this word this word does not only mean this

01:48:08.860 word in the arabic language does not only mean every single thing it can also mean many things

01:48:17.720 and what is the evidence of this the evidence of this can be found in the quran itself where in

01:48:24.220 chapter 46 in surah al-ahqaf of the quran in verse number 25 allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

01:48:30.660 that it destroys everything with the command of your lord is talking about a wind

01:48:39.720 so they could not be seen except for their places of inhabitation or uh residence so in other words it's

01:48:51.600 not talking about everything because this verse is being very clear that this wind destroyed many types

01:48:57.920 of things it's destroys kulla shayin everything the same words here kulla shayin the word kull is there

01:49:07.020 meaning every right it destroys everything so nothing of the them was seen except for their homes

01:49:16.860 we can't see anything except for the places of residence yani their homes so clearly this is not

01:49:25.740 talking about everything this wind didn't destroy the universe the cosmos and this and that and almost

01:49:31.580 every usooli uh this is a branch of islamic science is called usool al-fiqh which is the principles of

01:49:38.860 jurisprudence they use this in their tracts and their treatises the word kull and it's called it's actually

01:49:44.860 a category of thing called al-am al-adhi yurad bihi al-khusus or khas that it's something which is general

01:49:52.780 and what is intended from it is a specific thing so it's a kind of usage of the language which was understood

01:50:01.180 by the scholars of islam one of the scholars of islam a suyuti who died 9 11 after hijri he in fact

01:50:09.020 wrote a book about this word kull uh al-kullu ma'alayhi tadul this is the name of the book and in it he shows that

01:50:16.460 there are usages of the word kull which is literalistically translated as every which cannot

01:50:23.100 mean every single such that nothing is excluded from that particular genus or circumstance whatever

01:50:29.980 it is we're talking about universal whatever it is we're talking about and so with this i should say

01:50:35.280 one more thing that as i started this discussion a lot of people are taking the genesis narrative and

01:50:41.320 putting onto the quran there are some very many differences for example a literal reading not a

01:50:47.460 literalistic one but a literal reading of genesis may take someone who's an evangelical or who takes

01:50:52.980 a literal understanding of the bible uh like answers in genesis and those individuals to the conclusion that

01:50:58.660 the whole world was consumed by flood and that all individuals had to be put on the ship or and

01:51:06.240 the animals and everything had to be put on the ship that is a a an interpretation for the bible

01:51:12.480 we are under no obligation to believe that it was a worldwide flood and we are under no obligation to

01:51:18.100 believe that all the entire world animals and species had to be put on the ship for the reasons

01:51:22.980 aforementioned but i hope with that the contention is cleared and with that i end this episode

01:51:30.100 wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

01:51:36.240 today we're going to be responding to a contention which some people anti-islamic

01:51:42.120 apologists have used and even it's on some of their websites about a hadith which talks about

01:51:48.880 the black seed and if you wanted to translate it literalistically it would read that it's a cure for

01:51:55.680 every disease but is this the case how could it be the case i mean is it a cure for cancer for aids

01:52:02.880 for all of those things do we not need hospitals anymore cancer research needs to shut down because

01:52:09.880 now we have the black seed no the hadith does not mean uh all of the diseases barring none this is of

01:52:17.660 course a literalistic uh reading of the hadith which has no bearing on the actual meaning of that

01:52:24.600 hadith and this is not even how the medieval uh scholars the shurrah the commentators of this hadith

01:52:34.420 have understood it even from as far back as ibn hajar al-asqalani and others and other individuals

01:52:41.580 like ibn al-qaym al-jawziya and his kitab zat al-mi'ad and others who spoke about the black seed

01:52:48.020 and this hadith in particular and all of which who i've read anyway uh specify that it's not talking

01:52:53.940 about all the diseases uh but it's talking about many different kinds of uh diseases and this is

01:53:02.120 something which we know from the usage of the word kul which is in this hadith which is also used in

01:53:08.160 the quran where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala mentions in surah al-ahqaf chapter 46 verse number 25

01:53:15.080 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says tudammiru kulla shayin bi amri rabbiha fa asbahu la yura

01:53:22.180 illa masakinuhum that it destroys there's a wind that destroys everything uh with the command of its lord

01:53:30.880 so they came to be uh not seen except for their indwellings and of course uh this does not mean

01:53:39.580 that this wind that allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is talking about is a wind that destroyed everything

01:53:45.420 including animals and the earth and the cosmos even though there's the exception there

01:53:52.680 illa masakinuhum except for their indwellings it doesn't mean everything was destroyed except for

01:53:57.800 the indwelling so the kul here is not intended by any means or any stretch of the imagination

01:54:06.180 to mean every single thing on the face of the earth let alone the entire existence or entire universe

01:54:15.940 this is impossible to extrapolate from this verse and that is why many of the scholars have actually

01:54:22.400 written books and treatises about this word kul because many people that employ literalistic

01:54:28.900 understandings of uh the arabic language do not understand these kinds of usages so siyuti

01:54:36.280 wrote a book al-kul wa ma alayhi tadul or the word kul and what it implies or what it uh evidences or

01:54:46.360 shows so this should be very clear now that the uh the black seed is not actually a cure for every single

01:54:56.020 disease except death it's not a cure for every single disease because the prophet muhammad 1.00

01:55:01.780 himself told us that allah has not sent down any disease

01:55:07.780 except that he sent down with it except that he sent down with it you know a cure in other words

01:55:20.820 for every specific disease there is a lahu a wada lahu he all uh allah has prescribed for it 0.82

01:55:30.400 a cure a specific cure and thus uh if if uh this was not the case and black seed could solve all of

01:55:39.500 our problems then such a hadith would indeed indeed be a futile one and would not make any sense so

01:55:46.900 that is why we have to look at the entire corpus of hadith before we rush to conclusions in summary

01:55:54.380 therefore those individuals who try and use this hadith and others to try and mock islam and muslims

01:56:00.380 are but surely uh lost in their own ignorance and indeed have a very superficial understanding

01:56:08.060 newspaper understanding cursory understanding uh of the hadith tradition and i hope that is

01:56:16.440 intellectually as satisfying as is for you as it has been for me was salaamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

01:56:24.060 today inshallah what we're going to be doing is dealing with a very prominent hadith that you'll

01:56:34.160 find in many of the anti-islamic apologetics and anti-islamic websites of those individuals who are

01:56:41.480 trying to attack the deen the religion of islam so this is a famous hadith really a cosmological hadith

01:56:49.180 which is mentioned by abu dhar al-ghafari and the contention is that this hadith fully supports

01:56:55.760 without a shadow of a doubt a geocentric model and in fact some add to this and say it shows that

01:57:04.480 the quranic picture or that the islamic cosmology generally is that of not only a flat earth which

01:57:10.300 they've said and spoken about and we have a separate video on but one which is flat and stationary and

01:57:17.100 where in which the uh the sun is going around in in a geocentric way and thus it's confirming

01:57:23.820 the uh seventh century you know understanding of cosmology and this is an evidence that it's false

01:57:31.700 so as i've mentioned the uh discussion of flat earth versus round earth is in a separate video

01:57:37.500 which you can find on this series so if you want to see me talk about that you can pause the video

01:57:43.000 now watch that video and come back now in regards to this particular video let's read the hadith in

01:57:49.760 question and move on to what the specific contentions are so the hadith is narrated by abu dhar al-ghafari

01:57:57.080 may allah be pleased with him and he said that the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam said

01:58:02.140 do you know where the sun set do you know where it goes i said abu dhar says

01:58:11.040 allah and his messenger know best he said it goes and prostrates beneath the throne

01:58:16.580 then it asks for permission to rise and permission is given to it soon it will prostrate and it will ask

01:58:24.280 for permission to rise but permission will not be given to it it will be said to it go back to where

01:58:31.180 you came from so it will rise from its place of setting and that is what allah may allah be

01:58:39.020 glorified may he be glorified refers to in the verse and the sun runs on its fixed course for a term

01:58:46.100 appointed and that is the decree of the mighty the all-knowing he's mentioning uh the prophet

01:58:51.700 is mentioning an ayah surah yaseen chapter 36 verse number 38

01:58:55.980 that the sun runs on a on a fixed uh uh term decreed so let's talk about what the contentions

01:59:07.140 are the contentions really you could say are three in number three main contentions the first one

01:59:13.060 relates to this prostration of the sun what do we understand from this uh hadith when we talk about

01:59:18.720 the prostration of the sun is it to be suggested that this is an anthropomorphic or a personified picture

01:59:24.680 of the celestial sphere that is the sun and isn't this more in line with mythology and ancient legend

01:59:31.120 than it is with the scientific contemporaneous reality that we know from examination and from

01:59:38.460 advances in science that's number one the second thing is about that the the going how could the sun be

01:59:45.560 going underneath the throne and this shows they say the fact that the sun is going somewhere in sunset

01:59:53.160 that it's confirming they say the geocentric picture thirdly they say the time of sunset so why is it

02:00:01.760 that the time of sunset is in any way significant knowing that sunset is at different times at different

02:00:07.140 points of the round earth i know there may be some flat earthers listening to this and as i've said

02:00:13.560 there's a video for you guys or for other people uh about the flowers so that's these are the three

02:00:19.220 main contentions so let's deal with them one by one and in terms of verses of the quran we will be

02:00:25.780 discussing those verses of the quran which people try to use to refer to geocentrism in an entirely

02:00:33.200 different video so the first issue that people have is in relation to prostration they say what is this

02:00:38.740 prostration the quran says in chapter 17 that everything in the heavens and the earth you know

02:00:52.600 glorifies allah and nothing in the heavens and the earth does anything but glorify allah but you do not

02:01:00.640 understand the way in which that takes place so this verse shows that the celestial bodies the inanimate

02:01:09.280 objects all of those things in the world whether living or not has a means of glorifying allah and

02:01:17.600 this is actually in the realm of the metaphysical so science does not tap into this and it has nothing

02:01:24.320 to do with science in fact the quran explicitly says in other words the sun and the moon and or the

02:01:35.260 universe it has a way of glorifying allah subhanahu wa ta'ala which is distinctly different distinctly

02:01:43.280 different from the way in which we do so so to try and impose and anthropomorphize or personified

02:01:49.180 understanding on the celestial spheres or the inanimate objects is nothing but going against

02:01:56.300 the quran and a misunderstanding of the entirety of the quran so the prostration is not a prostration

02:02:02.780 like you know where you put your head on the floor or the fact that prostration requires stationary

02:02:08.280 action from the human actor in fact with different species different animals different inanimate objects

02:02:16.640 different spheres the the prostration does not in any way need to be correlated with such human

02:02:22.260 prostration it's not like the sun is growing arms and a forehead and is throwing itself on the floor

02:02:27.940 this is not the understanding in fact the quran refutes this understanding very categorically so this

02:02:34.100 very literal it's not even literal it's a literalistic reading of the quran and the hadith is is is the first

02:02:42.040 point is the first point is the first point of confusion for those individuals who try and ask about the

02:02:46.940 prostration so clearly here the prostration is referring to something which is metaphysical and untappable by the

02:02:53.660 scientific method and one can say that you know the prostration not just the prostration but the submission of the

02:03:01.660 sun the istislam and the sujood of the sun is expected since Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala talks about that the heavens and the

02:03:11.320 earth will obey Allah willingly or unwillingly in other words they're obeying the laws of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala 0.73

02:03:20.680 now some individuals will say so why does the hadith say that the prophet Muhammad is saying that the sun is going

02:03:28.360 somewhere or to an appointed destination in the first place now i want you guys to understand in the arabic language

02:03:37.000 there's two things something called dharf zaman and dharf makan that basically when you're referring to

02:03:43.580 destinations there are two types of destination time bound ones and place bound ones as we'll come to know

02:03:52.000 with this particular hadith and the ayah in which links with this particular hadith which the prophet

02:03:58.240 mentioned itself the sun we know from tafsir is going towards the day of judgment and this is the

02:04:07.840 tafsir of chapter 36 number 38 where it says that the sun is running to a destination what destination is

02:04:18.240 it is it a time bound destination or is it a place bound destination so the exegetes of islam the medieval

02:04:23.980 exegetes are talking about the end of day so this is eschatological in nature it's not talking about

02:04:30.420 a particular place where in which it is going uh whether this those who espouse the scientific

02:04:36.160 miracles narrative says the solar apex and those who want to talk about the uh you know the the

02:04:42.340 scientific errors narrative are going to say it's beneath the earth both of which are not indicated

02:04:46.960 by the primary text and what's the evidence of this the evidence of this is the exact phraseology

02:04:52.680 the exact terminology of the of the herb of going is mentioned in the quran where is it mentioned

02:04:58.980 it's mentioned in chapter 37 and verse number 99 well well where the allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

02:05:04.700 narrates that ibrahim is saying inni zahibun ila rabbi sayahdeen i am going to allah and he will guide me

02:05:14.980 the same exact phraseology zahib inni zahibun i am going now what does this mean does that

02:05:22.500 mean that somehow ibrahim is doing an isra ul ma'raj you know of his own no it doesn't mean that

02:05:29.300 it means as qatada says that this is in many ways a figurative kind of going or if you don't want to

02:05:36.320 say it's a figurative kind of going uh or something which is metaphoric then you could say he is going

02:05:41.880 with his as qatada says who's part of the salaf of the princesses he says this means that ibrahim is

02:05:49.140 going with his amal with his niya with his kalb with his niya meaning with his intentions with his

02:05:54.140 kalb meaning with his heart meaning this the herb or this going is not talking about a place bound

02:06:00.900 going now bear that in mind because there's another hadith which is extremely important

02:06:05.620 i maybe ironically but definitely interestingly narrated also by abu dharul ghafari i'll tell you

02:06:11.680 why this is important he says that the prophet ma'am said the seven heavens and the seven earth

02:06:17.480 in comparison to the kursi is nothing but a ring thrown in the desert and certainly the hugeness of 0.99

02:06:24.460 the arsh over the kursi is like the desert over that ring allahu akbar allahu akbar look at subhanallah 0.83

02:06:29.300 the the the magnitude of the khalk of the creation of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala look at that

02:06:36.680 that the entire seven heavens is like a ring thrown in the desert compared to the kursi now 1.00

02:06:42.960 the kursi is roughly translated as the footstool of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala but it's something which

02:06:47.400 is not it cannot be imagined and then that compared to the arsh which is the throne and also the ceiling

02:06:53.860 of creation is is is insignificant as well now why am i mentioning this because the question is

02:07:01.000 is there something that the sun does or could there be on the islamic cosmology something that

02:07:08.700 the sun does or somewhere where the insignificant sun which is placed in the sama'id dunya in the

02:07:16.600 worldly heaven how do we know it's in the worldly heaven because allah says laqad zayanna sama'id dunya

02:07:20.980 bi masabiha wa ja'al naheha rujumun lishateen anywhere where the celestial objects in chapter 67 verse number

02:07:26.240 four that is sama'id dunya so one of the seven heavens and then you have the kursi which is like

02:07:33.940 a ring compared to that the movement of the sun in in this context of the grand scheme the cosmological

02:07:41.520 grand scheme of things is completely insignificant does it mean to say that and this is another question

02:07:49.340 does it mean to say that if it's going under the arsh is the assumption the false assumption

02:07:54.840 that it wasn't under the arsh in the first place or the throne it must have been under the arsh because

02:08:01.300 according to this hadith i've just mentioned and other things in the quran as well other ayat

02:08:08.540 isharat that the throne is the ceiling of creation so there's nothing that can be contained within the

02:08:17.600 creation that would not be in any way under the arsh in the first place from the quranic cosmological

02:08:23.200 perspective thus the sun was always underneath the arsh in as much the same way as ibrahim was always on

02:08:32.460 the earth when he said inni zahibun ila rabbi sayahdeen and so it's not insignificant to say that i'm going

02:08:40.420 somewhere or that someone is going somewhere or to some time when in fact they are staying in the same

02:08:47.740 course that they are on a physical trajectory level so this question of going somewhere that they have

02:08:57.220 the going of the sun is one that has been confused by the compounded ignorance of those who fail to look

02:09:05.080 at the entire corpus of the quran and sunnah especially in the phraseological usage of the key

02:09:11.800 terms that we have just mentioned also to add it's very important we said we started this segment off

02:09:17.800 by talking about that there are two kinds of dharf zaman and makan or place and time okay in the arabic

02:09:24.020 language and both of them have for all intents and purposes exactly the same grammatical and usually the

02:09:29.500 same phraseological and semantical structures now here we said that the zahab of the sun or the going of

02:09:39.460 the sun is not in reference to the um actual going the physical going but in fact it's about it's a

02:09:47.400 time bound dharf zaman not dharf makan restriction and what is the evidence of this from the sunnah

02:09:55.060 the evidence of this from the sunnah is that the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasalam

02:10:00.700 he ended the hadith with the zikr or the mentioning of and the sun runs to an uh a determined uh a

02:10:15.860 determined to a a a a place slash time determined it can be either and we said here that almost all

02:10:23.640 the exegetes agree that it's an eschatological referencing meaning it's talking about the end

02:10:30.040 times and the day of judgment so this shows that when he was referring to abu darab about the the

02:10:36.800 of the sun it was for eschatological reasons rather than um cosmological reasons and now this is where

02:10:47.240 probably the biggest issue that people have with this hadith lies which is in the understanding that

02:10:54.540 is it why did the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasalam mention this at sunset time and they say this

02:10:59.540 is probably the biggest indication of geocentricity or geocentrism and the answer to this is actually

02:11:05.540 ironically that this is probably if you want to use anything if you want to mention cosmology in this

02:11:12.660 uh this this sense would would uh validate the heliocentric model how is that possible

02:11:18.780 it could validate the heliocentric well i'm not saying this is hadith is heliocentric but that's

02:11:23.620 not my claim just to be clear just as i would say it's not right to say it's talking about geocentrism

02:11:29.220 but why is that you see the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasalam he mentioned this hadith at the time of

02:11:35.260 sunset now if the assumption is since he mentioned it in the time of sunset that has to do with the

02:11:42.340 movement of the sun because the sujood he says that the sunset and then it asks for permission

02:11:49.440 to rise again from allah subhanahu alayhi goes to the throne and asks permission to rise again

02:11:53.300 now if you think about it there is a verse in the quran which is very powerful and telling

02:11:59.520 it is in chapter 22 verse number 18 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

02:12:04.100 and then the verse continues do you not see that to allah prostrates all things

02:12:17.980 in the heavens and in on the earth and the shams the sun and the moon wait a minute wait a minute

02:12:27.260 why is it significant because if there is an inextricable link that is to be made between

02:12:33.680 the sujood the prostrate the prostrating to under the sun uh sorry the prostrating of the sun

02:12:42.100 and the sunset gurub if there's an inextricable link the quran says yes judulahu and it's mentioned

02:12:53.120 in fi'al mudara which means it's a continuous present tense wait a minute what does this mean

02:12:59.200 it means to say that the sun is always prostrating to allah subhanahu wa ta'ala it's not doing it

02:13:05.960 in the past it's not sajada lah and it's not doing it in the future or it's going to do it in the future

02:13:11.520 say yes judulahu or sawfa yes judulahu because these would be the things you'd have to put in the

02:13:17.500 prefix of the word it's saying yes judulahu which means it's happening continuously in the present

02:13:24.460 wait a minute if this means what it says that it would say it would suggest that so long as the sun

02:13:35.140 is prostrating it's also setting and obviously if we now want to introduce the flat earth stationary

02:13:44.580 earth cosmology which those detractors of islam are insisting on their websites and on their

02:13:53.160 anti-islamic apologetics that the quran depicts a flat earth stationary earth cosmology with the

02:14:02.040 sun going around it wait a minute but on such cosmology the sun would not be setting at all times

02:14:10.840 wait a minute wait a minute yes because if it was a flat earth stationary earth cosmology

02:14:17.140 the sun would go underneath the earth and there would be time periods where in which it's not setting

02:14:24.160 on anybody at all there would be no such thing as a constant hurub or a constant sunset

02:14:32.540 so this in fact ironically it actually takes away from the cosmology that they are trying to build

02:14:41.120 in their scientific era narrative and in fact on the heliocentric model and this is definitely the

02:14:48.400 case where in which the earth rotates around its own axis it's always setting it's always setting on

02:14:57.680 someone the sun is always setting on someone why because the earth is continually spinning around

02:15:03.800 its own axis thus if sujood or prostration is connected with hurub or setting of the sun

02:15:13.480 then it must always have be setting it must always be setting and this would in fact negate the flat

02:15:22.080 stationary flat stationary earth geocentric cosmology which these anti-muslims are trying

02:15:28.340 to project now they could say well this is a contradiction between the hadith and the quran

02:15:32.700 and if this was the case the muhaddisin would have rejected it and it would be seen as a illa of the

02:15:37.340 hadith the hidden defect of the hadith just like hadith al-turba for example was rejected on similar

02:15:42.440 grounds as a muslim so if it was a contradiction it would have been rejected because of metan criticism

02:15:48.100 or the criticism of the content of the hadith but the ulama did not see it as that so it's not

02:15:55.260 something it's as we have just done now we have reconciled it with the quran we have reconciled it

02:16:01.140 with a heliocentric model so i don't think there's an issue here and so with all of this having said

02:16:07.680 being said we can conclude quite safely that this hadith is not talking about the sun going under the

02:16:17.680 throne and it wasn't under the throne before that or it's not talking about the sun going under the

02:16:23.300 earth because if it was if it's a flat stationary earth it would not be setting and we know from the

02:16:28.400 quran it is the sun is constantly prostrating and if it's constantly prostrating it must mean it's

02:16:33.540 constantly setting and therefore the boomerang the intellectual boomerang has hit them once again

02:16:40.800 it's always ironic that when those individuals they try and attack islam

02:16:45.300 the very evidences they use are usually used against them wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

02:16:52.140 insha'Allah today what we're going to be talking about is something which relates to the subject

02:17:02.520 of quran and embryology and a particular contention which people have which is that the quran allegedly

02:17:10.500 says according to these detractors that i've seen their material on anti-islamic websites

02:17:15.360 that the quran that the human being is made up from a congealed clots of blood and we know from 1.00

02:17:23.140 embryological study that that is not the case and they say the word alaqa which is the operative word

02:17:31.080 the important word it doesn't mean to cling or to be attached to something which is what many muslims of

02:17:39.320 today say which they say is a superimposition of modern scientific jargon into the vocabulary of

02:17:48.780 the quran so let's deal with these two contentions one by one the first thing i'm going to be dealing 0.96

02:17:54.560 with insha'Allah is the second thing i've just mentioned which is the fact that this word alaqa

02:17:59.940 cannot mean something which clings or something which is attached to something else and that in the

02:18:07.000 vast commentarial tradition and the vast exegetical tradition for a thousand four hundred years this

02:18:13.620 meaning was unknown to medieval scholars and this meaning was not used in this way to indicate

02:18:21.260 attachment or connection the truth of the matter is that is false that in fact medieval scholars from

02:18:28.600 the very early days of islam were mentioning in their treatises in their dictionaries and in their

02:18:36.540 exegetical and commentarial works that in fact alaqa does mean to be attached to or connected to

02:18:44.940 so i'll give you one or two examples ibn al-jawzi he says this and he was a sixth century scholar

02:18:52.440 al-asfahani who has a dictionary talking about the mufradat of the quran or the singular words of the

02:19:01.780 quran he also mentions that one of the meanings of the word alaqa is something to be attached to

02:19:09.260 sahibu to its companion so something to be attached to something else to be connected to it so this is a

02:19:16.420 mispecious and uninformed claim quite frankly i'm quite surprised i'll be honest that these

02:19:23.260 individuals who are making these claims didn't do themselves the academic justice of looking at these

02:19:28.860 medieval books or they were foolish enough to to think that we were not going to do that indeed

02:19:36.040 these meanings are there they are codified they are written and they exist now the second contention

02:19:43.960 is they say well we okay let's give it to you it could mean to be attached to or connected to

02:19:50.140 something which will go in line with modern embryonic understanding of the embryo being attached to the

02:19:56.720 uterine wall and obviously through umbilical cord and and others other things uh you know taking from

02:20:05.500 the nutrients of the host in this case the mother they say fine it's in connection with this but this

02:20:11.740 other thing or meaning is completely unscientific which is the meaning of uh congealed blood because

02:20:21.300 they say it's not blood at all uh it's not blood the composition the chemical composition of the fetus

02:20:28.000 is not a bloody one it's not one that is composed primarily of blood and you see this is where their

02:20:36.580 argument is going to fall flat on its face because this again is a weakness of the understanding of the

02:20:47.220 arabic language and in fact a weakness of the understanding of the sunnah of the prophet muhammad

02:20:51.740 sallallahu alayhi wa sallam because the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam himself said

02:20:55.020 he said in the hadith that two things have become allowed for us or two things which

02:21:01.920 uh may it or dead uh and two things and he referred to the word deman two bloods the word dem in arabic

02:21:11.420 means blood he says two dem two dems have become uh uh allowed for us and the two dems in particular

02:21:21.360 is the liver al-kabit and the spleen now we know that the kabit the liver

02:21:29.340 is not something which is composed primarily chemically from blood but why is it the case

02:21:38.060 that the prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam although some of the the mufassirs of the hadith

02:21:43.740 or exegetes of the hadith they say this hadith is malkuf which goes back to the sahabi if that is the

02:21:48.400 case which i don't believe it is from reading the hadith tradition and i believe it's marfu'a

02:21:52.740 going back to the prophet but even if it is malkuf it's still what you call istishad lugawi

02:21:57.340 it's still something to be uh you can use it as a way in which the language was used

02:22:03.340 either way it doesn't matter the blood was being in reference in this hadith

02:22:08.760 it was being in reference to something which is not chemically composed of blood but it looks ready

02:22:15.760 reddish so therefore we can conclude that something which is not blood in chemical composition

02:22:24.080 can yet be referred to as blood if it has the aesthetic appearance of that and we know

02:22:30.920 that the embryo has the aesthetic appearance of something which is congealed and bloody even

02:22:38.920 though the chemical composition may not be so

02:22:41.720 someone may say that the word alaqa shouldn't be treated the same way as the word dem because dem

02:22:53.680 means blood and it was being used to refer to something which isn't chemically blood but it

02:22:58.980 itself is chemically blood but this would not be applicable to the word alaqa we would say no this

02:23:04.060 is not the case because the hadith itself talks about two dead things and two blood things and

02:23:08.740 the two dead things in question were not actually dead so this shows that the word can be used in

02:23:14.960 the arabic language to reference aesthetics so in other words something might not be the thing

02:23:19.940 but you're using it to indicate the aesthetic similarity of the thing thus this is a specious claim

02:23:27.380 and a foolish one the real question is why use the word alaqa when the arabs had another word for

02:23:35.220 the word fetus which actually the quran uses which is the word janin which means fetus why did the 0.97

02:23:42.540 quran specify the word alaqa this is something because subhanallah it's true it's true the fact that

02:23:53.980 the embryo clings onto is attached to the uterine wall so it has this meaning which the word janin

02:24:01.440 does not have and in fact the quran could have said a congealed clot of blood but the quran did not

02:24:09.800 use this phraseology and indeed it used a phraseology which is more specific and more in line with our

02:24:16.120 understanding of embryology and though this fits in with the multi-layed approach that we believe in

02:24:22.560 here in sapiens institute which is the idea that the quran speaks to people in a timeless way

02:24:28.380 people of all times and all places including us in the 21st century and that is the reason

02:24:35.120 wallahu alam why allah subhanahu wa ta'ala used this very specific word was salamu alaikum warahmatullahi

02:24:41.680 wa barakatuh

02:24:42.300 today we're going to be talking inshallah about this issue of the earth being created or supposedly

02:24:53.060 created before the heaven as per the quran this is the claim that many of these detractors make and

02:24:58.860 it's littered all over their websites so what is the claim the claim is that the quran says that the

02:25:06.160 earth was created before the heaven and this is wholly unscientific something which is primitive and

02:25:11.360 something which is more indicative of a seventh century type of authorship rather than the

02:25:18.400 creator of the heavens and the earth so what are the verses that are being referenced with this kind

02:25:23.300 of shubha there are two main verses actually two only verses in the quran that they use to to make

02:25:30.200 this this claim the first is in chapter 2 verse 29 surah al-baqarah where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

02:25:35.680 that he is the one who created all that is in the earth and then he turned to the heaven and made them

02:25:48.580 as seven heavens and in chapter number 41 verse number 12 surah al-fussilat where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

02:25:54.940 says that he is the one who ordained them as seven heavens in two days and he gave to each of those

02:26:07.660 heavens its affair or their command so they say look it's clear here that in the first verse that we've

02:26:14.180 mentioned the the creation of the earth is mentioned and then after that the creation of the heaven is

02:26:19.080 mentioned and therefore that shows a clear chronology and that is not a foolish interpretation of the

02:26:25.860 quran because aslan as the default position the word thumma which is critical here is usually used

02:26:32.940 as the arabic grammarian say or for subsequent chronology so if something is saying i did this

02:26:42.680 thumma this thumma this they're saying that they did this and then they did this afterwards and then

02:26:47.040 they did after they did this afterwards but the reality of the situation is that you find in the

02:26:52.620 quran itself examples where thumma is used conjunctively and not as or not used chronologically so for

02:26:59.520 example if you look at chapter number six verse 154 allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says thumma

02:27:04.040 atayna musa al-kitab tamaman yeah and then we gave moses the book uh completed uh min aladhi ahsana

02:27:14.220 and from the one who perfected all things and as a detail for everything so thumma here even at

02:27:22.560 tabari mentions in his tafsir does not mean uh conjunct it does not mean sorry a chronologically

02:27:28.400 subsequent it means here conjunctive so it works like well in other words it doesn't mean something

02:27:34.080 is happening after something else thus we know now as a principle of language that thumma can actually

02:27:39.700 mean something conjunctive and doesn't always have to mean something which is successive in the

02:27:45.600 chronological way but then what do we make of those two verses that we began this uh video with well

02:27:52.280 that the mufassirin or the exegetes of islam are in disagreement so for example you'll find qatada

02:27:59.180 one of the early commentators of uh the quran one of the most uh foremost commentators of the quran in

02:28:05.600 fact part of the salafis himself he believed that the heaven was created before the earth

02:28:12.120 and thus he doesn't believe the word thumma here indicates a transition or a subsequent uh movement

02:28:19.340 of chronology likewise many commentators medieval commentators believed the same thing ibn hayyan

02:28:25.540 being one of them uh al-qurtubi being another and obviously these individuals all lived in the

02:28:31.820 medieval period where you'll find that al-qatada sorry al-qurtubi takes qatada's view and he says

02:28:37.660 this is the correct view insha'Allah meaning he believes that there was um a a there was no

02:28:44.280 there was no um chronology indicated in these verses and that's why um actually many people like

02:28:50.780 fakhruddin al-razi and his his tafsir does not believe also that that is talking about something and

02:28:56.440 something else so here you have two valid ways of looking at these verses one of them is scientific

02:29:02.000 and the other one is unscientific now for all intents and purposes if we're looking at this

02:29:07.480 just purely exegetically both of those are fine interpretations and both of them's both of those

02:29:14.120 interpretations are supported by the language one can have an unscientific understanding and believe

02:29:20.580 that the heaven what uh the earth was created before the heaven and one can have the idea that

02:29:26.740 the earth was created the heaven was created before the earth both of those things are supported in fact

02:29:33.060 when qatada was making his argument he says in chapter 79 verse 30 that allah he uh after that he

02:29:42.500 smoothed over the earth he used this as a kind of evidence to suggest that the uh the heaven was already

02:29:47.320 there and if we really analyze these two verses that we talked about one in bakara and one in surat

02:29:52.980 it doesn't actually say allah created the heavens after he created the earth and this is critical here

02:30:00.640 it's extremely important he says so he proportioned them as seven heavens and a lot of people don't

02:30:09.240 realize that or the heaven is is actually more comprehensive than the seven heavens why

02:30:17.300 is that because as sama includes everything that is above which could include the seven heavens and

02:30:23.260 all those things which are above the seven heaven and in islamic cosmology we have the kursi and the

02:30:28.920 arsh which are above the seven heavens but are included in the sama so thus the sama because in

02:30:34.780 logat al-arab in the arabic language it means everything that is above includes the seven heavens and

02:30:40.340 includes more than the seven heavens thus if the sama was already created and allah proportioned them as seven

02:30:47.000 heavens it doesn't mean he created them after the event of creating the earth it just means that the

02:30:53.180 the finalization process when it came to proportionment had taken place after the earth had already been

02:30:59.120 created but that's something completely metaphysical to us because according to the islamic discourse we

02:31:04.000 live in sama ad-dunya the first of those seven heavens because the quran says you know we created in 0.51

02:31:09.340 surat al-mulk we made the we we put basically uh firmaments or luminaries in the uh in the in the first

02:31:18.540 heaven in sama ad-dunya wa laqad zayyanna sama ad-dunya bi masabiha wa ja'alnaaha rujuman li shayateen

02:31:25.580 we have created the sama ad-dunya the first of those heavens with masabiha which are luminaries and we have

02:31:32.620 made in pelting things for the shayateen thus uh one can legitimately exegetically have an unscientific

02:31:40.480 approach and one can have a completely scientific approach if you wanted to put it this way because

02:31:45.040 it's not just big bang cosmology it's almost all the theories out there would suggest that the

02:31:49.200 universe or the fabric of space was created before the earth so one can have that interpretation and

02:31:55.100 one can have the other interpretation which is unscientific but it's unfair it's really unfair

02:31:59.220 to say that the only interpretation which exists of these verses is an unscientific one in fact that

02:32:06.500 is a historical claim above all things because we know that the people from the salaf all the way

02:32:12.080 through the medieval times believed that the the heaven was created first the universe was

02:32:17.680 the universe you can call it the universe the heaven was created before the earth and in fact they use

02:32:23.820 they use the quran itself as an indication of that so these are two valid interpretations one side

02:32:31.400 point some people use a hadith which is mentioned in sahih muslim and in that hadith it says that the

02:32:37.840 earth was created on sunday yom al-ahad and then this thing was created on monday yom al-thnain and then

02:32:43.540 this thing was created on wednesday which sounds like a genesis kind of narrative although this hadith is in

02:32:50.180 sahih muslim almost all the scholars and nisai al-tirmidhi al-bukhari himself says this hadith is

02:32:56.840 muallal which means it has hidden defects and this hadith is weak it's rejected and there are some

02:33:01.940 hadiths a few of them in sahih muslim and a few of them in sahih bukhari which have been spoken about

02:33:06.800 in those terms so that hadith now can't be used as an additional kind of evidence for those individuals

02:33:13.400 who want to push the scientific error narrative because quite frankly it's a weak hadith according to

02:33:19.980 the major scholars of islam in summary in summary we can say there are interpretations of naturalistic

02:33:26.880 verses which are unscientific and this is probably one of the best cases to look at that however

02:33:32.480 one can't just say that and stop there is also or there are also those scholars and exegetes who

02:33:40.680 interpreted the same evidence in a scientific way or in ways which correlate with 21st century science

02:33:46.440 thus the exegete should be left to their own devices and from an islamic perspective this is not a 0.83

02:33:52.640 kufri thing someone cannot be a disbeliever for believing either of those things the two valid

02:33:57.440 interpretations but this is a specious claim if the claim is the correct interpretation is one was

02:34:05.240 created before the other because we know the language is muhtamal meaning it's inclusive enough

02:34:11.180 to include both possibilities wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

02:34:15.180 so let's take a look at what they say they look at chapter 67 verse 5

02:34:23.500 where it says that we have thereby adorned the dunya the worldly heaven with luminaries and we have

02:34:36.660 made them pelting things for the devils and they say this means or how could this be the case their

02:34:41.640 question they say how could it be that you have these luminaries in the sky that are pelting devils

02:34:48.360 this is a very unscientific they say and moreover they would go and say that it's probably the case

02:34:54.460 that muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam he confused between the meteors which are very small in size and

02:35:00.600 composition and stars because when they may have seen shooting stars they just they thought that

02:35:06.940 that were that there were actual stars and therefore they argue this is showing you the

02:35:12.520 unscientific nature of the authorship of the quran this is these are really the two arguments that are

02:35:17.500 being made and let's be honest the first argument is a foolish argument because science is predicated on

02:35:25.540 methodological naturalism so what they're doing is a category mistake fallacy they're using something

02:35:30.780 which is predicated on methodological naturalism to detect to attempt to detect that which is clearly

02:35:38.380 in the realms of the metaphysical which is in this case the devil the devil the jinn the angels the

02:35:44.000 heaven hell all of those things are seen as metaphysical things things which are not meant to be

02:35:50.640 detected or tappable by the scientific enterprise by the five senses and thus the first part of their

02:35:57.280 argument is actually uh shame on them really for for having this limited knowledge on this on this kind

02:36:03.640 of thing and entering an arena of polemics with this limited knowledge uh and embarrassing themselves

02:36:09.020 and everybody else but even more embarrassing is the fact that they are making this supplementary

02:36:15.420 argument now that well the prophet muhammad must have been uh confusing between the meteors

02:36:21.900 and uh the the the celestial uh spheres um the uh the the moon the sun the stars all those things

02:36:31.540 all of them are in one category for the prophet and therefore he couldn't distinguish between 0.70

02:36:35.600 a small rock-sized meteor and uh you know a huge uh uh star and obviously this is a foolish

02:36:44.540 understanding actually it's a foolish understanding of the verse itself because chapter 65 verse 5

02:36:49.280 according to ibn kathir he says ibn kathir who's a medieval scholar and exegete of the quran one of

02:36:55.760 the most prolific actually he says it's not the misbah itself it's not the star itself and yes he

02:37:01.920 believes it is a star the masabih are referring to a star even though the word masabih is not synonymous

02:37:07.380 with the word stars because masabih means luminaries things which illuminate in the sky which could be

02:37:12.940 anything i mean anything which illuminates from the anthropocentric perspective anything from our

02:37:17.920 humanly perspective which illuminates in the sky could be a misbah because misbah literally is a

02:37:22.180 lamp but ibn kathir takes the view it is the nujumah is the stars and he says he says actually it's not

02:37:27.980 the star itself which is pelting the devil he says it's not the star itself but the solar flame which

02:37:34.680 comes from this from the star and you'll say well this is a long shot how could he say that and why

02:37:38.720 would he say that well actually he was doing tafsir al quran bil quran because he was exegeting

02:37:44.200 the quran with the quran because if you look at chapter 38 verse number 10 it says

02:37:48.580 it says except for the one which follows it in course and therefore uh it follows it shihab which

02:37:59.620 is really a flame uh thakib so here this flame shihab un thakib uh is correlated with what is mentioned

02:38:07.880 in chapter 38 of the quran surah as-safat where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

02:38:12.640 we have therefore adorned the heavens with the zina with the adornment of al-kawakib 0.98

02:38:22.100 kawakib means once again it could mean stars so here if you correlate the two verses it would suggest

02:38:29.340 to uh to us that actually it's not the star itself but it's the shihab of the star and you say okay well

02:38:35.660 i'm not convinced yet maybe that is the case but i'm not convinced okay if you're not convinced no

02:38:38.940 problem because there's another hadith this one's in bukhari where the prophet himself he said he

02:38:44.640 said it could be the case when he was talking to his companion that that devil is being pelted by

02:38:50.800 shihab once again shihab means a solar flame so even if you look at the sunnah the hadith literature

02:38:56.720 once again we realize that it's not the uh the star itself which is pelting the devil but in fact it is

02:39:04.260 the solar flame which is being emitted from the star which is pelting the devil and once again

02:39:08.700 you'll never be able to see this from on a metaphysical perspective but once again it shows

02:39:13.200 the shallow research and the superficial uh reading cursory reading newspaper reading of those

02:39:19.700 individuals to the islamic literature so this is an education for them and inshallah will be benefit

02:39:24.960 for everybody else wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

02:39:27.740 today we're going to be talking about the the matter of six days and what do we mean what does

02:39:38.520 the quran mean when it says six days the universe was created all the heavens and the earth were

02:39:43.420 created in six days does this mean six 24 hour days and if so how is it possible how can it be

02:39:49.800 conceivable that the universe which we know has been around for 13.9 billion years or at least

02:39:56.340 that's what science tells us can in any way have been created in six days well to answer this question

02:40:03.940 really what we have to look at is what the quran actually says and what the quran what the arabic

02:40:09.060 words actually mean to summarize this point really the word yawm which the plural of is ayam

02:40:15.700 means any time period and what is the evidence of that the evidence of that is the fact that

02:40:21.380 individuals like al-sulhani had written in their ma'ajim their dictionaries long time ago that the word

02:40:28.940 yawm is ayy zaman min al-azmina any period of time and that is why the quran has this usage of the term

02:40:35.380 in referencing different periods of time so you'll find in for example surah asajda chapter 32 of the

02:40:43.200 quran in verse number 10 allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says yudabbirul amr min as sama ilal ardi

02:40:49.620 thumma ya'arju ilayhi fi yawmin kana alfa sanatin mimma ta'udun that he that god controls the affair

02:40:56.120 from the heavens to the earth and then it ascends back uh to him in a day a fi yawmin kana alfa sanatin

02:41:07.440 mimma ta'udun that was a thousand years from how you count or from your reckoning so clearly here

02:41:13.660 the word yawm is used in reference to a thousand years and likewise in chapter 70 verse 5 in surah

02:41:19.540 al-ma'arij it talks about the day of judgment it says fi yawmin kana miqidaruhu khamsina alfa sanat in a day

02:41:27.040 which its length is 50 000 years so how could it be that you have one day that's 1000 years

02:41:33.540 and another day which is 50 000 years well ibn abbas uh the cousin of the prophet muhammad sallam and the

02:41:39.800 most qualified person after the prophet muhammad sallam to ever deal with exegesis he actually

02:41:46.280 replies to this question by saying these are two different days and this is mentioned in sahib

02:41:50.520 the most authentic book after the quran he says these are two completely different days 0.88

02:41:59.900 and so therefore you know a day in summary could be any period of time when allah talks about the

02:42:07.980 creations of the heavens and the earth in six days it could mean uh six 24 hour days that's a possible

02:42:14.700 meaning but that's not the only meaning it could mean any period of six days so really

02:42:20.460 six periods of time therefore this contention that well the universe is 13.9 billion years

02:42:27.780 and how could the quran say is six days is a fundamentally flawed question to begin with

02:42:34.340 because the sixth period of time could mean any period of time i think really what's happening

02:42:39.500 here is that there has been a conflation there has been a superimposition of the genesis narrative

02:42:45.480 as per um evangelical kind of fundamentalist if you want to call it that or literalist readings

02:42:51.840 uh of of genesis chapter one chapter two chapter five as well looking at all those um you know

02:42:57.960 lineage models that are mentioned in genesis chapter five in particular adding them all up and then

02:43:03.140 coming to you know conclusion that is six thousand years and we don't have the equivalent of genesis

02:43:08.840 chapter five in the quran we don't have the equivalent of genesis chapter five in the hadith

02:43:13.920 so this is not our really our contention because quite frankly it's not something we have to deal

02:43:20.940 with so in some in some you know the day could mean any period of time and so it's not in conflict

02:43:28.320 with the fact that the universe could have been 14 billion years or could be more than that it could

02:43:33.960 be less than that and really we don't know how long the universe has been around for obviously big bang

02:43:39.160 cosmology would would bring us to the conclusion that's been 13.9 billion years but science is far

02:43:44.760 from incorrigible and far from producing of eternal truths so we remain if you like happy to accept

02:43:52.180 whatever science says and there's no conflict at all between believing in a model of the universe

02:43:58.080 that is 13.9 billion years and believing in the quran that's fine but we don't need to be dogmatic

02:44:04.440 dogmatic on what it is that the quran says uh what it means by six periods nor do we need to be 0.97

02:44:10.540 dogmatic at all about the universe being 13.9 billion years and i hope that answers the question

02:44:16.340 today i'm going to be speaking about something which is actually littered all over the kind of

02:44:24.660 anti-islamic websites a specious argument really uh an argument saying that the you know the quran and

02:44:30.960 hadith or islam in this primary text indicates that the earth is flat let's take a look at the

02:44:37.340 quran and the commentaries of the early people because i think that's a very important place to

02:44:41.260 start so if you look at the entirety of the quran from fatah until nurse you'll find that really the

02:44:47.320 earth is being referred to in different ways you know in surah al-baqarah for example the very first

02:44:53.120 chapter after surah al-fatah the second chapter in the quran allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

02:44:57.840 you know he's the one who has made for you the earth as a spread if you like and he sent down

02:45:10.840 from the sky water and if you look at the 88th chapter of the quran allah subhanahu wa ta'ala he

02:45:17.780 asks some rhetorical questions and one of them one of those rhetorical questions is have you not seen

02:45:23.460 the earth and how it's sutihat how allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has made it smoothed it over for this

02:45:30.840 reason some people actually in the early times as well as those individuals who are indicating that

02:45:36.360 this is the only interpretation islam are saying that well look the quran is indicating that the

02:45:41.080 earth is flat they'll even look at chapter number um chapter number 78 of the quran where in the

02:45:47.540 beginning of the surah allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says you know uh have we not made the earth as a

02:45:55.720 bed and this is another argument i say well a bed is flat and therefore the earth is indicated as flat

02:46:00.740 in the quran this is not the case uh because as early commentators have indicated people like ibn

02:46:07.900 hasm who is a you know fourth century fifth century scholar someone who was not influenced and could not

02:46:15.200 have been actually influenced by uh modern scientific discussions he says in his book al-fisal he

02:46:22.300 mentions that the quran indicates that the earth is round and his argument is in chapter 39 verse 5

02:46:29.320 allah says yukawwiru al-layl ala al-nahar wa yukawwiru al-nahar al-layl wa sakhhar al-shamsa wal-qamar

02:46:36.740 kullun yajari li-ajal musamma that in chapter 39 verse 5 god says he rolls the day into the night

02:46:43.960 and he rolls the night into the day and he has made subservient for you then the the shams the sun

02:46:50.420 and the moon and the kamar and every single one of those are running in an orbit uh yeah you know

02:46:57.820 to a time appointed li-ajal musamma to a place appointed so in other words chapter 39 verse 5 he

02:47:03.760 says that takweer this takweer that's taking place could not have been or could not be a takweer that

02:47:10.860 takes place on a flat surface he says that the takweer comes from the arab word qura which which

02:47:16.100 indicates that by necessity this would mean that the night is rolling into or onto a spherical

02:47:23.360 kind of surface and likewise the day and therefore the earth is round according to the quran so how does

02:47:30.100 he explain and other scholars explain those other verses which we started this this discussion with

02:47:34.840 which indicate that the earth is uh you know it's been it's been stretched out muddet or it's been uh

02:47:42.080 you know uh spread out and so on and so forth he says well if you look on a you know for example if

02:47:48.260 you look at a plane of the earth the earth word ard in in the first place actually means the ground below

02:47:53.860 so as we're looking at the ground below we're seeing that it's been smoothed over in opposition

02:47:59.440 to for example you know the craters of the moon so if you look at the moon and look at the kind of the

02:48:05.800 the the the ground on the moon the craters on the moon is very bumpy whereas the earth uh the

02:48:13.120 you know the the surface of the earth is very smooth and that's how they're able to harmonize between

02:48:17.860 the two kinds of verses likewise ibn taymiya in his kitab al-arsh which is part of majmuat al-fatawah

02:48:24.680 a literalist in his own right or a parentist whatever way you want to put it someone who

02:48:30.460 looks at the quran and doesn't even believe in metaphor in the quran this is one of the only 0.99

02:48:34.060 people in the history of islam who's actually said we don't i don't even believe in such a thing

02:48:38.220 as a metaphor in the quran he says that the earth is round that he he in fact even quotes an

02:48:43.940 ijma' on it he he quotes a consensus among the scholars on this on this point now this view he

02:48:50.480 says ibn taymiya goes all the way back to the early generation to a person who has a chain of narration

02:48:57.160 called ibn monada so ibn monada is someone who comes in the fourth century or the third century

02:49:02.140 and who says that the earth is round and he is one of the students of imam ahmad ibn hambal another

02:49:09.260 person who um he wasn't going to metaphorize verses of the quran especially those cosmological

02:49:15.740 ones which could be referring to certain phenomena therefore i think in sum if we were to be fair to

02:49:22.180 the tradition i think the most that can be said in terms of making an argument against the quran is

02:49:28.160 that the quran can be interpreted as saying the earth is flat but you can't say that that is the

02:49:33.140 only valid interpretation that's an impossible thing to say in fact it's ahistorical because it's

02:49:38.680 something which has been disproven by the very fact that the most apparentist and literalist scholars

02:49:44.200 of the early times people like ibn hasm who was a dhahiri he was someone who was a literalist

02:49:50.000 you know he does not believe in kiyas analogy or someone like ibn taymiya who does not believe in

02:49:55.480 majaz or um metaphorization of the quran people like that and ahmad ibn hanbal and his ashab

02:50:02.080 people like ibn munada they said the earth is round and they based their view on they based their

02:50:08.820 view on the quran and the verses of it so this specious argument that's leveled uh the uh the

02:50:16.180 quran or islam is exactly that it's it's really a weak argument with very little explanatory or

02:50:23.940 refutational power when it comes to the historical exegetical works of the muslim scholars and so for 0.99

02:50:30.960 this reason we say this is a null and void refutation which i can't even believe quite frankly i can't

02:50:38.400 even fathom how this has made the top 10 of the most if you like uh popular interrogations against

02:50:48.540 islam in these uh the weak uh websites against islam i can't believe it that people actually take

02:50:55.120 these arguments uh as carrying any kind of weight and they continually use these arguments despite

02:51:00.620 the fact that the evidences have been shown time and time again but these people are not ready and

02:51:08.140 listen uh ready and willing to listen to this evidence so we just have to put it out there

02:51:12.440 the quran says whoever wants to can believe and whoever wants to can disbelieve 0.56

02:51:20.680 wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh well i hope all of those videos that you have just

02:51:27.880 watched or indeed if you have just even watched some of those videos were able to challenge your

02:51:36.140 thought process or satiate your curiosity we would like your feedback if you are someone who was

02:51:43.000 suffering from some kind of doubt whether or not this series has helped you so we will link

02:51:49.440 a poll where you can tell us whether how satisfied and convinced you have been with the answers you

02:51:57.640 have been given this will give us a chance an opportunity to be able to introspect and to self-reflect

02:52:04.260 and to improve our service positive reinforcement is as good as negative reinforcement and vice versa

02:52:10.340 so tell us what you think needs to be changed uh by emailing us on the email below

02:52:17.720 or indeed as i've mentioned by telling us by polling uh how convincing you have thought these

02:52:24.600 answers to be the conclusion of all of this is the approach of trying to use science to attack islam 1.00

02:52:34.260 has really a failed been a failed approach not least because science it assumes scientism

02:52:42.540 the idea that science is omniscient if you like as one of its presuppositions

02:52:48.300 scientism is something which is almost rejected fully by the philosophical community except in

02:52:56.720 evangelical corners of new atheist propaganda and so the interlocutor who believes in this

02:53:05.960 must really come forward and explain himself or herself as to why they believe in scientism

02:53:11.040 is true in the first place or how can it be demonstrably proven to be true the truth of the matter is

02:53:18.240 as we have been showing throughout this series the quran has an inbuilt flexibility and facilitation

02:53:26.220 which allows people from the 7th century all the way through to the 21st century and beyond

02:53:32.160 to be able to make sense of the book according to the cosmologies and modern day scientific theories of

02:53:40.520 the day in other words i don't have to as a muslim sacrifice my understanding of science in order to be a

02:53:50.220 practicing muslim i don't have to have some kind of cognitive dissonance in seeing an observable reality

02:53:57.360 in one way and approaching the text in another i don't have to resort to huge conspiracy theories

02:54:03.920 relating to this to the age of the universe and the existence or lack thereof of dinosaurs or the

02:54:10.840 coexistence of dinosaurs and human beings or any of the kind of propaganda that we're seeing with

02:54:15.560 new age uh literalists from the christian from our christian co-religionists we don't need to do any of

02:54:22.760 that we can and this is unique within the islamic tradition maintain an absolute for the most part

02:54:31.920 literal understanding where the language is clearly literal of the naturalistic verses and not be out of

02:54:40.820 line with that which we generally know to be observed reality uh today in the 21st century i think this is

02:54:48.880 something which can easily be argued to be unique to the islamic tradition and something which once

02:54:55.060 again allows a rational person to be able to make life decisions about religion which doesn't compromise

02:55:04.580 a rationality for spirituality or vice versa this removes cognitive dissonance from the equation

02:55:12.040 and allow someone to become fully actualized spiritually and rationally and this is why

02:55:18.920 uh you could argue one of the clear reasons this multi-layer approach of the quran of facilitation

02:55:25.800 why a proof you could say of the quranic authorship from a divine all-knowing all-wise god

02:55:35.520 wassalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

Ali Dawah - April 28, 2021

36 ＂SCIENTIFIC ERROS IN THE QURAN＂ DEBUNKED - BEST ANSWER TO ATHEIST

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