Ali Dawah - July 12, 2021


4 LGBQT VS 1 MUSLIM - GETS HEATED

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Ali Dawah
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Length

6 minutes

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215.23

Word count

1,436

Sentence count

134

Harmful content

Toxicity

5

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Hate speech

8

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In this episode, we discuss the difference between paedophilia and homosexuality, and the age at which a child should be legally allowed to have sex with someone of the opposite sex. We also discuss the role of a parent in sexual intimacy with their child.

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00:00:00.000 Before the video starts guys, I've come together with Muslim Aid once again to get clean water
00:00:04.160 for families in Gaza. £105 can provide interrupted water to two families for an
00:00:10.220 entire year. Give even if it's £1 towards it.
00:00:16.080 There is, because you're putting a limit, but when it comes to LGBTQT, and there's plus,
00:00:20.640 there's many other things, it's open. And also for example, paedophilia. There are some men
00:00:25.600 who are coming out and saying that why can't they join your group and add a P at the end,
00:00:30.000 we're talking about gender rather than age. We're not necessarily talking about people
00:00:35.540 who... We're making no statement on... Because paedophiles hurt other people.
00:00:39.720 But they say we're born like that. That's the argument.
00:00:42.820 We're not talking about people who aren't born like most people would think, like as in a 0.84
00:00:46.660 straight... We're not just talking about that kind of thing. We're talking about people
00:00:50.260 who are being discriminated for the gender they love. Not necessarily the age, the gender.
00:00:56.260 I'm with you.
00:00:57.220 If a murderer says they want to kill someone else and they're just like that, you're not
00:01:01.500 going to let them kill someone else. You're going to do everything you can to stop them
00:01:05.000 from hurting someone else. Same with paedophiles. If someone says, oh, I was just born like 0.89
00:01:08.760 that and they want to hurt someone, you need to stop them from hurting someone. LGBTQ people
00:01:13.000 aren't hurting anyone. In fact, we're the ones being hurt by other people.
00:01:17.140 Okay. I understand that. But what I'm saying is this can be argued, for example, hurting.
00:01:21.420 What does hurting mean? Hurting someone physically or having a harm in a society as a whole? The
00:01:26.140 ripple effects of that, that's something that needs to be discussed. Because if one says,
00:01:29.780 argument's sake, when I drink alcohol, I don't hurt anybody. But you're the same person.
00:01:34.060 When you drink alcohol, you go crash into a car with kids in there and you kill. So like in
00:01:38.720 Islam, as Muslims, Islam is prevention rather than cure. So meaning if alcohol, if one person says,
00:01:44.540 I want my right to drink alcohol, Islam says, no, if you're going to have a impact, a negative 1.00
00:01:48.540 impact on the community, you can't do that. Because the community at large has a greater
00:01:52.220 right. But what I was asking you guys, look, I'm not trying to attack you guys. I'm curious,
00:01:56.500 yeah? But when I say inconsistency, I have to. You can do the same with me. When you draw
00:02:00.820 a line with the paedophiles, when you draw a line with incest, I'm asking the question.
00:02:05.360 For example, the paedophile movement, actually BCLT even, yeah? They want to join your group.
00:02:09.500 They even like, you know, there's some discussions where they're like, why can't? And the LGBT
00:02:12.500 group are denying that. They're saying, no, you can't. But they're saying, we're born
00:02:15.920 this way. Why is it that when you're born gay, homosexual, bisexual, transsexual, whatever
00:02:22.020 it may, transgender, whatever you're born, you have a right. But as a paedophile, when 0.83
00:02:25.780 I have some kind of liking to a child, and even some of them say, even if we don't act
00:02:30.440 on it, I have that. Accept me as I am. You reject them.
00:02:33.800 Because they're hurting people. They, we are not. That's the main difference.
00:02:39.680 No, no, but incest. A father and a daughter that's reached the age of 16, they use contraceptive. 0.83
00:02:44.400 Yeah, but that, as we said, that father is in a position of power over the daughter.
00:02:49.000 Like, do you respect your father?
00:02:50.780 Okay, what age does the child need to reach so they're not in a position of power?
00:02:54.320 Because, because...
00:02:54.800 There is no age that they reach because the parent is always in a position of power.
00:02:58.140 But that could be with anyone. That could be with two gay couples, and one is more manipulative. 1.00
00:03:02.600 Yeah, if someone has a position of power over the other person, in gay couples, if one 0.88
00:03:06.420 of them is abusive, then that's wrong too. It's wrong to be abusive, it's wrong to be
00:03:10.080 manipulative.
00:03:10.180 But if a woman comes and says, I'm 16 years old, my father is not manipulative, and I
00:03:16.000 choose the right to have sexual intimacy with him, how could you come and say, no, he's
00:03:20.420 your father, he must be manipulative, you're overgeneralising. How is that fair on them and their
00:03:24.660 love?
00:03:24.840 We're not saying he's manipulative. We're not saying he's necessarily 100% manipulative.
00:03:29.880 We're saying that that person is in a position of power over the daughter, correct? Do you
00:03:35.740 like acknowledge that?
00:03:36.840 They are until that person reaches the age of puberty, 16, because they have a lot of
00:03:41.220 rights. You know, they can call the feds in two seconds.
00:03:43.480 Okay, can I ask, how is this relevant to...
00:03:45.960 Because what it is, is what we're just trying to do, is like, what I'm trying to find out
00:03:48.460 is because I feel like there's an inconsistency with the LGBTQ community, and this is where I'm 1.00
00:03:54.540 saying, well, there's a bit of contradiction. That's what I'm trying to highlight, and I'm
00:03:56.920 trying to tell me if I'm wrong. So that's why I was trying to have a dialogue with you
00:03:59.600 guys, because it seems a contradiction to your very stance.
00:04:02.700 Let me ask you the opposite question. Why do you draw the straight line at men and women 0.51
00:04:07.680 being in relationships, and not at all people of any genders being in relationships?
00:04:13.820 Okay.
00:04:13.980 Where do you draw the line, is what I'm asking?
00:04:16.540 Okay, with us, we come from an objective morality where we believe God Almighty has created
00:04:20.140 us, and we live in his land, and he provides us the sustenance, and what he says, we try
00:04:25.900 our best to follow. Now, obviously, as Muslims in this country, we abide by the law of the
00:04:30.380 land, yeah? So you guys can, like, I'm not here to stop you doing what you're doing.
00:04:34.000 But what we're trying to say is, for example, from our point of view, it's, for example, we
00:04:38.040 believe that God Almighty has forbidden it. It's not permissible, yeah? And not only that,
00:04:43.840 for example, there are many issues as well. For example, it's unnatural. I believe it's
00:04:48.700 unnatural, even though you can say, okay, it's an animal kingdom, but I can say that's
00:04:52.180 animals, but what I'm saying is unnatural for a man, for example, to penetrate another 0.99
00:04:56.840 man's rectum, you know? And that's from our point of view. But I'm not saying you guys 0.91
00:05:02.280 don't have to.
00:05:02.700 Sorry, we didn't consent to being filmed, so if you're broadcasting us, like, could you
00:05:08.080 please take that down?
00:05:09.480 Yeah, whoever's recording.
00:05:12.440 Okay.
00:05:13.320 We didn't consent to being filmed at all.
00:05:14.900 Yeah, you know, nothing.
00:05:16.140 Okay, all right. Guys, whoever's recording this, they don't want to be in here, yeah?
00:05:20.020 Because the speaker's going to, you get ten cameras, I can't control them, yeah?
00:05:23.480 Okay, so...
00:05:24.340 You can leave. I just want to make one more point.
00:05:26.380 Okay, one question.
00:05:27.300 So, our position, right? I'm just going to sum it up in one...
00:05:31.300 Okay, so you say that God said that it's not okay, and that's fine. Like, I completely
00:05:36.780 respect your opinion. From our perspective, it's okay for any adult consenting person who does
00:05:41.860 not have a parental or, like, familial relationship with someone else. It's okay for them to
00:05:48.440 have a relationship.
00:05:50.340 Does the LGBT society stand with the words you said, or is this coming from you? The
00:05:54.820 whole parental thing of being manipulative? That's the first time I've heard that.
00:06:00.540 Most people within the LGBTQ community do not endorse incest.
00:06:04.800 Oh, yeah, no, they don't. But, for example, is it because the whole manipulative thing?
00:06:07.740 Because that's the first time I've heard that.
00:06:08.960 Well, it's partially because of that. It's also partially because of genetic. It's for
00:06:12.020 a lot of different reasons. And I obviously haven't prepared for this. We're just here
00:06:16.440 for that. We haven't prepared for this. I couldn't tell you every argument. But we don't
00:06:20.500 endorse incest, and all we're saying is that anyone who's over a legal age of consent should
00:06:25.820 be allowed to have a relationship with anyone else. And that's fine. You're a really nice
00:06:28.580 guy. Thank you.
00:06:29.020 Thank you very much. I'm so sorry, again, if I was just inquiring. Thank you very much.
00:06:32.040 Enjoy yourself. Okay, thank you. Yeah, it's just really nice dialogue here, discussion, just
00:06:36.740 ask some questions. I think it was quite informative. Yeah. Goodbye.