4 LGBQT VS 1 MUSLIM - GETS HEATED
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the difference between paedophilia and homosexuality, and the age at which a child should be legally allowed to have sex with someone of the opposite sex. We also discuss the role of a parent in sexual intimacy with their child.
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Before the video starts guys, I've come together with Muslim Aid once again to get clean water
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for families in Gaza. £105 can provide interrupted water to two families for an
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There is, because you're putting a limit, but when it comes to LGBTQT, and there's plus,
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there's many other things, it's open. And also for example, paedophilia. There are some men
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who are coming out and saying that why can't they join your group and add a P at the end,
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we're talking about gender rather than age. We're not necessarily talking about people
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who... We're making no statement on... Because paedophiles hurt other people.
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But they say we're born like that. That's the argument.
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We're not talking about people who aren't born like most people would think, like as in a
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straight... We're not just talking about that kind of thing. We're talking about people
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who are being discriminated for the gender they love. Not necessarily the age, the gender.
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If a murderer says they want to kill someone else and they're just like that, you're not
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going to let them kill someone else. You're going to do everything you can to stop them
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from hurting someone else. Same with paedophiles. If someone says, oh, I was just born like
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that and they want to hurt someone, you need to stop them from hurting someone. LGBTQ people
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aren't hurting anyone. In fact, we're the ones being hurt by other people.
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Okay. I understand that. But what I'm saying is this can be argued, for example, hurting.
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What does hurting mean? Hurting someone physically or having a harm in a society as a whole? The
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ripple effects of that, that's something that needs to be discussed. Because if one says,
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argument's sake, when I drink alcohol, I don't hurt anybody. But you're the same person.
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When you drink alcohol, you go crash into a car with kids in there and you kill. So like in
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Islam, as Muslims, Islam is prevention rather than cure. So meaning if alcohol, if one person says,
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I want my right to drink alcohol, Islam says, no, if you're going to have a impact, a negative
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impact on the community, you can't do that. Because the community at large has a greater
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right. But what I was asking you guys, look, I'm not trying to attack you guys. I'm curious,
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yeah? But when I say inconsistency, I have to. You can do the same with me. When you draw
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a line with the paedophiles, when you draw a line with incest, I'm asking the question.
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For example, the paedophile movement, actually BCLT even, yeah? They want to join your group.
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They even like, you know, there's some discussions where they're like, why can't? And the LGBT
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group are denying that. They're saying, no, you can't. But they're saying, we're born
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this way. Why is it that when you're born gay, homosexual, bisexual, transsexual, whatever
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it may, transgender, whatever you're born, you have a right. But as a paedophile, when
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I have some kind of liking to a child, and even some of them say, even if we don't act
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on it, I have that. Accept me as I am. You reject them.
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Because they're hurting people. They, we are not. That's the main difference.
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No, no, but incest. A father and a daughter that's reached the age of 16, they use contraceptive.
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Yeah, but that, as we said, that father is in a position of power over the daughter.
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Okay, what age does the child need to reach so they're not in a position of power?
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There is no age that they reach because the parent is always in a position of power.
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But that could be with anyone. That could be with two gay couples, and one is more manipulative.
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Yeah, if someone has a position of power over the other person, in gay couples, if one
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of them is abusive, then that's wrong too. It's wrong to be abusive, it's wrong to be
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But if a woman comes and says, I'm 16 years old, my father is not manipulative, and I
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choose the right to have sexual intimacy with him, how could you come and say, no, he's
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your father, he must be manipulative, you're overgeneralising. How is that fair on them and their
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We're not saying he's manipulative. We're not saying he's necessarily 100% manipulative.
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We're saying that that person is in a position of power over the daughter, correct? Do you
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They are until that person reaches the age of puberty, 16, because they have a lot of
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rights. You know, they can call the feds in two seconds.
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Because what it is, is what we're just trying to do, is like, what I'm trying to find out
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is because I feel like there's an inconsistency with the LGBTQ community, and this is where I'm
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saying, well, there's a bit of contradiction. That's what I'm trying to highlight, and I'm
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trying to tell me if I'm wrong. So that's why I was trying to have a dialogue with you
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guys, because it seems a contradiction to your very stance.
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Let me ask you the opposite question. Why do you draw the straight line at men and women
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being in relationships, and not at all people of any genders being in relationships?
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Where do you draw the line, is what I'm asking?
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Okay, with us, we come from an objective morality where we believe God Almighty has created
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us, and we live in his land, and he provides us the sustenance, and what he says, we try
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our best to follow. Now, obviously, as Muslims in this country, we abide by the law of the
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land, yeah? So you guys can, like, I'm not here to stop you doing what you're doing.
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But what we're trying to say is, for example, from our point of view, it's, for example, we
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believe that God Almighty has forbidden it. It's not permissible, yeah? And not only that,
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for example, there are many issues as well. For example, it's unnatural. I believe it's
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unnatural, even though you can say, okay, it's an animal kingdom, but I can say that's
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animals, but what I'm saying is unnatural for a man, for example, to penetrate another
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man's rectum, you know? And that's from our point of view. But I'm not saying you guys
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Sorry, we didn't consent to being filmed, so if you're broadcasting us, like, could you
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Okay, all right. Guys, whoever's recording this, they don't want to be in here, yeah?
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Because the speaker's going to, you get ten cameras, I can't control them, yeah?
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You can leave. I just want to make one more point.
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So, our position, right? I'm just going to sum it up in one...
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Okay, so you say that God said that it's not okay, and that's fine. Like, I completely
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respect your opinion. From our perspective, it's okay for any adult consenting person who does
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not have a parental or, like, familial relationship with someone else. It's okay for them to
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Does the LGBT society stand with the words you said, or is this coming from you? The
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whole parental thing of being manipulative? That's the first time I've heard that.
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Most people within the LGBTQ community do not endorse incest.
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Oh, yeah, no, they don't. But, for example, is it because the whole manipulative thing?
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Well, it's partially because of that. It's also partially because of genetic. It's for
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a lot of different reasons. And I obviously haven't prepared for this. We're just here
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for that. We haven't prepared for this. I couldn't tell you every argument. But we don't
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endorse incest, and all we're saying is that anyone who's over a legal age of consent should
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be allowed to have a relationship with anyone else. And that's fine. You're a really nice
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Thank you very much. I'm so sorry, again, if I was just inquiring. Thank you very much.
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Enjoy yourself. Okay, thank you. Yeah, it's just really nice dialogue here, discussion, just
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ask some questions. I think it was quite informative. Yeah. Goodbye.