Ali Dawah - March 28, 2018


5 GUYS WITH MULTIPLE QUESTIONS - SPEAKERS CORNER


Episode Stats

Length

19 minutes

Words per Minute

241.69322

Word Count

4,602

Sentence Count

612

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

57


Summary

In this episode, the lads discuss whether Tommy Robinson is a racist and compare him to Hitler. The lads also discuss if Islam is against freedom of speech and whether or not they would kill each other if Tommy came to power.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I'm glad he doesn't.
00:00:02.680 If he did, he would finish us off.
00:00:04.220 I'm not interested in politics.
00:00:05.060 He would finish us off.
00:00:05.960 He's not interested in anything about it.
00:00:07.020 Let me tell you something.
00:00:07.820 He said that he, from day one, was after power.
00:00:10.760 He joined political party.
00:00:12.300 He created this movement.
00:00:13.500 Tommy, none of that.
00:00:14.860 So he's not after power?
00:00:16.460 Hitler was talking about.
00:00:17.120 Not political power that you're talking about.
00:00:19.060 Still, power is power.
00:00:20.000 It can be political, whatever.
00:00:21.100 Power is power.
00:00:21.980 Yeah, but I'm not talking about power ranges, yeah?
00:00:23.280 Power is power.
00:00:24.160 You get what I'm trying to say?
00:00:24.740 Yeah, but it's not political power.
00:00:26.200 But, sir, if I said I want power, I want to...
00:00:28.560 Wait, are you going to be power?
00:00:29.440 Yes, how are you doing?
00:00:30.520 All right, how are you doing, mate?
00:00:31.340 Yeah.
00:00:31.740 All right, don't you think what you're doing, right?
00:00:33.920 I've got so many questions.
00:00:34.940 I've got one question.
00:00:36.900 Don't you think what you're doing?
00:00:38.400 So you want to convert people to Islam, right?
00:00:40.780 Because you think that makes you pious and stuff.
00:00:42.300 No, no, no.
00:00:42.500 You don't guide them after that, do you?
00:00:44.140 Do you go to the mosque with them?
00:00:45.300 No, no.
00:00:45.840 You know what?
00:00:46.320 That's actually...
00:00:46.720 You raised a very valid point there,
00:00:48.380 and I really applaud you for that, yeah?
00:00:49.940 Is that, firstly, I've got so many questions
00:00:51.080 I need to address, yeah?
00:00:52.220 That's my personal take on it.
00:00:53.220 I believe if Tommy Robinson came to power,
00:00:55.120 I believe he will slaughter us.
00:00:56.340 I believe that, I believe that.
00:00:57.900 So, like, Hitler with the Jews.
00:00:59.240 Hitler killed the Jews because he thought
00:01:00.800 that the Jews had a power.
00:01:01.760 A long way.
00:01:02.360 Has he joined the party?
00:01:03.180 A long way, a long way.
00:01:04.100 Tommy Robinson...
00:01:05.060 Tommy Robinson doesn't...
00:01:07.060 You don't need to vote to have power.
00:01:08.760 Tommy Robinson's not looking at race.
00:01:10.260 He's not like, oh, you're a brown person.
00:01:11.780 I'm trying, I'm trying to...
00:01:12.580 Tommy Robinson's not like, oh, you're a brown person.
00:01:14.840 No, no, no.
00:01:15.240 Therefore, I'm going to hate, like, brown people.
00:01:17.160 He's looking at the ideology.
00:01:18.600 Whereas, like, Hitler was like,
00:01:19.820 I have to exterminate these people from the gene.
00:01:22.220 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:22.560 Whereas, like, Tommy Robinson is just like,
00:01:24.100 I don't really like certain aspects of this ideology,
00:01:26.820 but I'll still be mates with him.
00:01:29.200 Yeah.
00:01:30.000 I would say, personally, like,
00:01:33.080 do I believe he has concerns?
00:01:34.520 Yeah, 100%.
00:01:35.060 I believe he has concerns.
00:01:36.160 But he can't kill...
00:01:37.100 He can kill an ideology,
00:01:38.380 but he can't kill people.
00:01:39.580 No, no, no.
00:01:39.640 Let me tell you something.
00:01:41.180 Freedom of speech.
00:01:41.860 People come to us and say,
00:01:43.140 Islam is against freedom of speech.
00:01:44.920 Look, let me put it like this, yeah?
00:01:46.340 Freedom of speech...
00:01:48.100 Let me tell you something.
00:01:48.580 We've been coming to this park for five years.
00:01:50.140 We've got people that have come to this park
00:01:51.560 20, 30 years, yeah?
00:01:52.940 Freedom of speech,
00:01:54.100 is something that we love
00:01:55.260 and we use
00:01:56.240 and this is what will actually
00:01:57.580 open the minds of people against Islam.
00:01:59.420 So when people come and say...
00:02:00.620 Another question, can I?
00:02:02.320 Please, there's so many questions
00:02:03.200 we've thrown, yeah?
00:02:04.040 Turn by, turn one at a time, yeah?
00:02:05.180 I'm going to start charging, yeah?
00:02:06.160 Five pounds.
00:02:07.020 Yeah, I'm going to start charging this dude, yeah?
00:02:08.280 So just to answer your question...
00:02:10.760 Hey?
00:02:11.520 Of course.
00:02:12.240 Why should he be stopped to speak?
00:02:13.340 Of course, he has every right to...
00:02:14.360 He has every right to convey, to speak,
00:02:16.340 as long as we can reply, yeah?
00:02:17.840 So what I'm trying to say is
00:02:18.980 that answering your question,
00:02:20.180 I believe, genuinely,
00:02:21.420 I might be wrong,
00:02:21.960 like I said, I might be wrong,
00:02:22.540 this is my perception,
00:02:24.020 is that if Tommy Robertson came to power,
00:02:26.040 he would try to get rid of Muslims.
00:02:27.460 And if it doesn't work the easy way,
00:02:29.100 he will slaughter us.
00:02:29.760 This is what I believe.
00:02:30.500 But he wants to get rid of Islam,
00:02:31.600 not rid of Muslims.
00:02:32.560 He doesn't want to get rid of people.
00:02:33.120 That's, that's, that's, that's, that's,
00:02:34.160 that's a big mistake.
00:02:35.260 Your critique of Tommy...
00:02:36.240 You're next, you're next, you're next.
00:02:37.920 Wait, wait.
00:02:38.860 Your critique of Tommy is...
00:02:40.680 Oh, he's a Hitler in waiting.
00:02:42.280 No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:02:42.840 I understand that.
00:02:43.740 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:02:44.280 That is the whole premise of your point here.
00:02:45.400 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:02:45.900 That Tommy Robertson is a Hitler in waiting.
00:02:47.900 Now, if I was to ask these people...
00:02:48.740 Possibly, possibly.
00:02:49.520 If you had a time machine,
00:02:50.800 and let's go back and kill Hitler,
00:02:52.140 everyone would go,
00:02:53.080 yeah, we should all do that.
00:02:54.700 So basically, you're saying...
00:02:55.700 You want to kill Hitler?
00:02:57.860 I said, if I asked all these people here,
00:02:59.740 if we had a time machine,
00:03:00.700 and we could go back and kill Hitler,
00:03:01.880 most people would probably be in favour of that.
00:03:03.260 But, but, going with your argument,
00:03:04.680 he has freedom of speech.
00:03:05.600 He has freedom of speech.
00:03:06.480 I haven't finished.
00:03:07.480 You're saying that Hitler demonised all Jews.
00:03:09.940 You should be the referee.
00:03:10.640 You're demonising Tommy,
00:03:13.260 saying he's the next Hitler.
00:03:14.620 I'm not, look.
00:03:15.340 We should get rid of him,
00:03:16.120 because he's the next,
00:03:16.720 he's going to kill,
00:03:17.340 instead of all killing all Jews,
00:03:18.560 he's going to kill all the Muslims.
00:03:19.200 No, no, no, I wouldn't say
00:03:19.860 let's get rid of him.
00:03:20.640 I would just say let's educate him.
00:03:21.800 Why is he being compared to Hitler?
00:03:23.500 Hitler, from day one,
00:03:24.540 short power,
00:03:25.840 through political power.
00:03:27.980 He created a party,
00:03:29.080 he tried to get votes.
00:03:30.200 Tommy has done none of this.
00:03:31.800 He is a street movement
00:03:33.740 that gets big publicity
00:03:35.100 about issues he's concerned with,
00:03:36.900 primarily in Luton.
00:03:38.780 The issues that Tommy's raised.
00:03:41.400 You're a referee,
00:03:42.080 you have to be unbiased.
00:03:43.200 The issues that Tommy's raised,
00:03:44.600 no one disputes now
00:03:45.920 that those are issues.
00:03:47.240 Has Tommy got any solutions
00:03:48.280 to these problems?
00:03:49.120 No, he hasn't.
00:03:50.440 But the message that he brings,
00:03:52.900 that he's created big,
00:03:53.700 nobody's now denying
00:03:56.120 those are all issues.
00:03:57.840 And that's all he's done.
00:03:58.400 No, of course, of course.
00:03:59.220 The only policy I've ever heard
00:04:00.780 Tommy Robertson suggest
00:04:01.820 is that you should ban
00:04:04.260 new mosques
00:04:05.400 until they are regulating.
00:04:07.140 Which, okay,
00:04:07.740 you could be in favour of your favour.
00:04:08.780 It's hardly...
00:04:09.800 No, no, but what is it?
00:04:10.900 No, no, but what is it?
00:04:12.340 I understand, I understand,
00:04:13.420 but this is, look,
00:04:13.940 you need to understand something.
00:04:14.780 There's gradual steps you take.
00:04:16.280 You have to be,
00:04:16.860 not you, in general,
00:04:18.000 a person has to be
00:04:18.680 an absolute idiot
00:04:19.800 to come out right
00:04:20.800 and put his real agendas
00:04:22.020 on the table
00:04:22.600 because he knows he'll be rejected.
00:04:23.480 Tommy's not a subtle man.
00:04:25.740 You understand what you're saying?
00:04:26.820 Referee.
00:04:27.700 I understand, no, I understand.
00:04:28.860 You're talking about subtle tactics.
00:04:29.500 Let me finish, let me finish.
00:04:30.380 You're talking about,
00:04:30.700 this is my gender to the public.
00:04:32.240 Let me finish, let me finish.
00:04:33.120 This is my gender behind the door.
00:04:33.780 Let me finish.
00:04:34.060 That's a subtle tactic,
00:04:35.040 I don't think...
00:04:35.760 Let me finish.
00:04:36.200 Anyone think Tommy Robertson
00:04:37.440 is a subtle man?
00:04:38.360 No, he's not a subtle man.
00:04:41.000 Yeah, because you're his followers.
00:04:41.900 Of course he's going to say that.
00:04:42.780 He's not saying,
00:04:43.180 hey, how many Ali Dao followers?
00:04:44.380 Come on,
00:04:44.940 they're going to support me.
00:04:46.180 Is Tommy a subtle man?
00:04:47.900 Look, look.
00:04:48.440 Is Tommy a subtle man?
00:04:49.600 Let me, let me, let me, let me just...
00:04:51.000 No, no, I just...
00:04:51.740 Allow me to, allow me to, allow me to...
00:04:53.840 Is Tommy a subtle man?
00:04:54.260 Let me just, let me just make a point here, yeah?
00:04:55.700 What I'm saying is, look,
00:04:56.520 does Tommy have concerns?
00:04:57.500 100%.
00:04:58.020 I'm 100%.
00:04:58.580 I know as a father he has concerns.
00:05:00.560 Just as much I have concerns as well.
00:05:02.720 What we're saying is,
00:05:03.420 instead of addressing these issues
00:05:04.700 and tacking it together,
00:05:05.820 he's made it us and them a problem, yeah?
00:05:07.640 So, grooming gangs.
00:05:09.000 Grooming gangs is a problem for me.
00:05:10.920 Why is it only a problem for you?
00:05:12.760 Can my daughter not get groomed?
00:05:13.960 He said that.
00:05:14.320 So, I'm saying...
00:05:14.880 So, who said that?
00:05:15.480 No, he said...
00:05:16.820 He comes and makes it seem like
00:05:18.280 this is an Islamic problem.
00:05:20.100 It's not an Islamic problem.
00:05:21.280 I know how daughters do get groomed.
00:05:22.280 They do a basis of...
00:05:23.520 I'm really against people using
00:05:25.940 Muslims modestly, but...
00:05:28.060 Yeah.
00:05:29.480 So, who, who?
00:05:30.540 So, basically...
00:05:30.940 Members of the grooming gangs.
00:05:32.000 No, no, no, but this is what I'm trying to say.
00:05:33.520 How is there a connection...
00:05:34.840 Okay, but where is the correlation
00:05:36.000 between grooming gangs and Islam?
00:05:37.300 I'm trying to find that out.
00:05:38.140 Oh, I'll answer that.
00:05:38.740 The majority of people in those gangs are Muslim.
00:05:40.880 Okay, one second, one second, one second.
00:05:42.340 Okay, all right.
00:05:43.200 So, majority of them are Muslim.
00:05:44.560 Okay, good.
00:05:45.140 That's good.
00:05:45.700 Okay, good.
00:05:46.340 Okay, let's analyze this.
00:05:48.140 Okay.
00:05:48.900 They're Muslims.
00:05:49.720 Yeah, okay.
00:05:50.160 They're Muslims.
00:05:50.640 No problem.
00:05:51.840 And let's see if Islam teaches them this.
00:05:55.200 Am I...
00:05:55.660 Who saw my video with Roland Southern?
00:05:57.460 Yeah.
00:05:57.960 Who saw my video with Britain first?
00:05:59.280 Jada.
00:05:59.980 Yeah?
00:06:00.300 They both wanted to shake my hand.
00:06:01.780 Yeah.
00:06:01.880 But I said no.
00:06:02.760 Yeah?
00:06:03.540 Why did I say no?
00:06:05.120 You got a right to say no.
00:06:06.820 He's not sticking to argument.
00:06:07.920 You're not referring anymore.
00:06:08.660 You're biased.
00:06:09.760 You've been paid...
00:06:10.600 Because you can't touch women who you aren't married to.
00:06:15.000 Good.
00:06:15.340 Good point.
00:06:15.920 So, number one.
00:06:16.560 I cannot touch the hand of another female.
00:06:18.980 Out of respect.
00:06:19.960 And why?
00:06:20.360 Because I have a wife.
00:06:22.320 Yeah?
00:06:22.540 Yeah.
00:06:23.140 I'm not supposed to.
00:06:24.000 Number two.
00:06:24.820 In the Quran, how many Muslims are here?
00:06:27.440 Drinking alcohol.
00:06:28.240 Is it a major sin?
00:06:28.960 Yeah.
00:06:29.760 It's a major sin.
00:06:30.480 Major sin.
00:06:30.900 Not minor sin.
00:06:31.540 Major sin, yeah?
00:06:32.580 And that means you'll be punished really severely, yeah?
00:06:34.980 Number three.
00:06:35.840 Are you allowed to have sexual intercourse outside of marriage?
00:06:38.640 No.
00:06:39.220 Major sin.
00:06:39.960 Major sin, yeah?
00:06:40.800 Scholars even...
00:06:41.300 That's not fun.
00:06:44.220 You can do it in the right way, you know, without messing women around, yeah?
00:06:48.000 Okay?
00:06:48.320 Women have rights as well.
00:06:49.360 So, number four.
00:06:50.500 Doing drugs.
00:06:51.100 Is it a haram major sin?
00:06:53.180 Yes.
00:06:53.520 Major sin.
00:06:54.020 So, let me get this right now.
00:06:55.640 They're Muslims.
00:06:56.320 Let's suppose, arguments take.
00:06:57.360 Yeah, they're Muslims.
00:06:57.780 Because I can come and say, you know what?
00:06:58.940 A majority of paedophiles are white men.
00:07:00.320 But I don't come and say, condemn it, condemn it, condemn it, condemn it.
00:07:03.480 So, so, so, one second.
00:07:04.640 That's not a grooming gang, though.
00:07:06.100 Yeah.
00:07:06.540 That's not a grooming gang, Ali.
00:07:06.920 You're starting to upset me now.
00:07:08.620 Ali, Ali.
00:07:09.100 That's individual.
00:07:09.480 I can get quite emotional.
00:07:10.620 Let me finish.
00:07:11.700 Let me finish.
00:07:12.580 Let me finish.
00:07:13.040 I'll divert you, yeah?
00:07:13.620 I'll say, okay.
00:07:14.420 Let me finish.
00:07:14.800 You know what?
00:07:15.160 Because you're going to do...
00:07:15.860 No, no, I'm going to say I was going to agree with your wrong point.
00:07:17.680 Yeah, yeah, no, no, I know.
00:07:18.340 So, I'll say this.
00:07:18.820 Can we shake on that?
00:07:19.340 Yeah, thank you.
00:07:20.340 So, I'll say this.
00:07:21.080 Can I just address this?
00:07:21.940 Can I just...
00:07:22.880 In fact, it's covered up.
00:07:24.580 It's covered up.
00:07:25.240 I'm going to come to that.
00:07:25.800 Because they would rather see how kids get raped than to be called racist by a little.
00:07:30.180 Good point.
00:07:30.620 That's a very good point.
00:07:31.640 I'm going to come to that, yeah?
00:07:32.640 So, what I'm saying is, Islam, these people who are doing these acts, they are outright going
00:07:38.360 against Islam.
00:07:39.480 You know what they're doing?
00:07:40.120 What they're doing is, they're actually kind of putting a middle finger after God's law
00:07:44.260 and saying, I don't care.
00:07:45.400 I'm going to do what my desires want.
00:07:46.920 And Islam came to abolish that and said, jihad.
00:07:49.380 Jihad is one of the, and the standards is that you're in a struggle.
00:07:53.380 You fight yourself.
00:07:54.260 I want to go and sleep around.
00:07:55.660 No, I fear God.
00:07:56.520 I shouldn't.
00:07:56.900 I should do the right things.
00:07:57.900 So, these people are outright doing what's wrong.
00:08:00.740 Islam's teaching.
00:08:01.700 So, therefore, Islam is against this.
00:08:04.040 So, let's suppose for argument to say, the most that you can say is an Asian problem.
00:08:07.840 The most that you can say that is an Asian problem.
00:08:11.300 However, then it will come down to paedophilia.
00:08:14.280 I cannot come to all you white guys and say, go and condemn paedophilia.
00:08:17.240 Because the majority of them that are doing it are, no, but you shouldn't.
00:08:20.880 Why are you to blame for what that guy does?
00:08:22.860 Okay, look, Ali, Ali.
00:08:24.360 Now, coming back to what you said, yeah?
00:08:26.020 Should it be covered up?
00:08:26.980 No.
00:08:27.580 I'm against it.
00:08:28.300 Why are we throwing it under the carpet till it stinks?
00:08:30.800 I'm saying it should be tackled.
00:08:32.100 Because.
00:08:32.620 And it shouldn't be covered.
00:08:34.060 It shouldn't be covered.
00:08:34.960 It shouldn't be covered.
00:08:35.980 No, that's wrong.
00:08:36.840 It should not be covered.
00:08:37.700 Why?
00:08:38.160 Because we might be branded as racist.
00:08:39.680 Bruv, there's a problem.
00:08:40.720 If young girls are being groomed, you have to.
00:08:42.840 We have to be with what we are.
00:08:44.220 No, no, no.
00:08:45.620 This is wrong.
00:08:46.220 I'm telling you, this might be shocking to you.
00:08:48.760 And you have every.
00:08:49.900 Look, I don't believe.
00:08:50.760 Look, should I tell you something?
00:08:51.780 No, no, no.
00:08:52.120 I never said it's racist.
00:08:52.860 Never once I've said it's racist.
00:08:53.940 I believe it's an Islamophobia.
00:08:55.260 I don't believe.
00:08:56.340 Look.
00:08:56.780 No, no, no.
00:08:57.360 Look, there is such a word.
00:08:59.660 So, therefore, do you understand?
00:09:00.640 We're on the same page.
00:09:01.320 I'm with you.
00:09:02.080 Due to political correctness, we should not brush it under the carpet.
00:09:06.320 It has to be addressed.
00:09:07.080 Did you say the other people do political correctness?
00:09:08.820 No, no, no, no, no.
00:09:10.080 Sorry, sorry.
00:09:10.560 I misheard you.
00:09:11.120 Because of political correctness, this does not mean, oh, just so we're not branded racist.
00:09:15.360 Shh, let white girls get raped.
00:09:16.720 No, that could be my daughter.
00:09:18.600 I've said this before to a father that I talked to.
00:09:20.740 I said, if you knew my daughter was going through this, would you do something about it?
00:09:22.940 He goes, yeah.
00:09:23.440 I said, do you really believe?
00:09:24.520 I'm going to know my next door neighbor's girl's been groomed.
00:09:26.720 I'm going to be, oh, it's a white girl.
00:09:27.580 Who cares?
00:09:28.620 I should question my humanity.
00:09:30.280 Do you think that they see their mask eating?
00:09:32.520 Next, he's next.
00:09:33.600 So, look, it's a major trend, though, with Scotland.
00:09:37.360 All right, I'm with you, I'm with you.
00:09:38.420 With Cologne, that was thousands of people pulling people.
00:09:41.960 But do you understand?
00:09:43.100 We have something in common.
00:09:44.340 Yeah?
00:09:44.800 And this is why we need to talk.
00:09:46.500 That's why we love freedom of speech.
00:09:47.940 Because when we educate, I know you guys are going to go back home and say,
00:09:50.500 flippin' hell, man.
00:09:51.340 I didn't know these guys were like that.
00:09:52.660 So this is why communication is key.
00:09:54.660 If you love freedom of speech, that makes you right wing then, yeah?
00:09:57.380 No, why would it make you right wing?
00:09:58.620 I didn't look.
00:09:59.620 It just makes me someone that I have freedom of speech.
00:10:02.640 So you hate them for then?
00:10:04.400 No, no, no.
00:10:05.640 Are they against freedom of speech?
00:10:07.180 Oh, okay.
00:10:07.560 Yes, they are.
00:10:08.160 No, no, no, no.
00:10:09.040 They're against hate speech.
00:10:09.960 There's a difference.
00:10:11.360 There's a difference.
00:10:12.120 Ali, Ali.
00:10:12.780 There's a difference.
00:10:14.120 It's freedom of speech.
00:10:15.520 It's hate speech.
00:10:16.520 Don't fight brown fascists.
00:10:18.460 Say it again one more time.
00:10:19.380 Don't fight.
00:10:19.820 Yeah, that's true.
00:10:20.740 Antifa only see fascism when it's white.
00:10:23.000 No, no, no.
00:10:23.520 Racism.
00:10:24.320 Can you define hate speech?
00:10:25.680 Define hate speech.
00:10:26.300 Ali, wait.
00:10:26.900 I just want to ask a question first.
00:10:28.080 So I understand that you care about Muslims in the community, right?
00:10:34.300 I care about everyone, not just Muslims.
00:10:35.700 Yeah, but when Islam is being seen in a bad light, you care about that, right?
00:10:41.520 And I understand when it comes to these grooming gangs, and they are Muslim people doing it.
00:10:46.600 Why do you have to say Muslim?
00:10:47.640 No, why do you bring Muslim into it?
00:10:48.600 No, because it's mostly Muslim.
00:10:49.680 Look, I'm not inciting anything.
00:10:51.700 Is that a problem?
00:10:52.760 Ali, wait, wait, wait.
00:10:53.680 Guys, guys.
00:10:54.140 Let's go on.
00:10:54.860 No, okay, look.
00:10:55.520 I'm not saying it's an Islamic thing, right?
00:10:57.140 Okay.
00:10:57.360 I'm saying that shouldn't it be up to people in the community?
00:11:00.780 Nothing to do with Islam.
00:11:01.980 But there are people who are...
00:11:03.460 Don't identify them as Muslim.
00:11:04.260 You can say misusing.
00:11:04.980 I'm not saying it is.
00:11:05.360 Look, you go around and say...
00:11:06.740 Ali, I'm not saying it is.
00:11:07.800 Okay, give me that.
00:11:08.720 Wait, wait.
00:11:09.160 Wait a minute.
00:11:09.740 I'm not saying it is Islam, right?
00:11:11.260 I'm saying, but there are people who will try and use things.
00:11:15.020 Use what?
00:11:15.500 Use what?
00:11:15.800 They will use...
00:11:16.800 Okay, so they'll use things about...
00:11:18.400 They'll use things in...
00:11:20.160 They'll try and use things in some of the scripture.
00:11:23.960 No.
00:11:24.360 Yes, they will.
00:11:24.960 You can't use nothing from them.
00:11:25.740 But it's up to people.
00:11:27.540 It's up to imams.
00:11:28.560 It's up to scholars to disown them, right?
00:11:30.580 Of course.
00:11:31.020 And ishifat was against what certain people are doing in the name of Islam.
00:11:35.800 No, no, no.
00:11:36.640 So it should be self-regulating.
00:11:38.160 I know you go and preach...
00:11:39.380 What's your name?
00:11:40.380 Max, you go and preach to Muslims saying what is haram and what is halal, right?
00:11:45.320 Yeah.
00:11:45.580 Because you want people to obviously have a...
00:11:47.920 If they're going to be a Muslim, then live a righteous life, right?
00:11:50.340 Yeah.
00:11:50.580 So when there are Muslims who are not living in what your opinion is a righteous life,
00:11:55.100 and I totally agree that these people are not acting in an Islamic way,
00:11:58.080 then it is up to the community to ishifat was against them.
00:12:01.580 And say that you're not acting in the name of Islam,
00:12:04.740 you're acting in an un-Islamic way.
00:12:10.000 Un-Islamic life.
00:12:10.740 But the thing is that they are people of the Muslim community who are doing it.
00:12:14.500 Not all of them, but a lot of them are.
00:12:17.000 And they're acting in networks.
00:12:19.060 Could I just interject?
00:12:19.960 Yeah.
00:12:20.300 On that point, these Muslims who do these acts,
00:12:23.200 they already know that the community...
00:12:24.500 They know where they stand when it comes to Islam and the community.
00:12:26.760 Yeah.
00:12:27.440 Muslim boys who have girlfriends,
00:12:29.320 they hide from their family,
00:12:30.520 hide from the community just when they got a girlfriend.
00:12:32.500 Yeah.
00:12:32.740 Let alone when they're grooming.
00:12:33.740 So they already know where the community stands.
00:12:36.000 Look, look, look.
00:12:36.960 Having a girlfriend isn't...
00:12:38.180 They already know where the community stands.
00:12:39.800 Sorry, sorry.
00:12:39.820 Right.
00:12:41.020 So they're hiding...
00:12:41.920 Sorry, guys.
00:12:44.540 Sorry.
00:12:44.880 Don't approve of this.
00:12:45.860 So these grooming gangs,
00:12:47.080 when they do these acts,
00:12:47.960 they're hiding from their own community.
00:12:49.420 They do it because they know Islam,
00:12:50.720 don't approve of it.
00:12:51.420 Right.
00:12:51.660 If their imam knows,
00:12:52.660 their family knows...
00:12:53.380 They'll get slapped up, silly.
00:12:54.740 They'll get slapped up, silly.
00:12:55.580 I know, sir.
00:12:56.440 They'll get a backhand.
00:12:57.540 Yeah.
00:12:58.540 You know the fatwa you're asking for, the fatwa?
00:13:00.400 Where?
00:13:00.600 It was given 1,400 years ago, mate.
00:13:02.500 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:02.960 That's a very good point.
00:13:04.220 None of us have a very good point.
00:13:05.560 What I'm saying is...
00:13:06.380 Now, hear me out, hear me out.
00:13:07.940 Would it be fair for me to come and say,
00:13:10.900 paedophilia, that's happening.
00:13:12.940 Right.
00:13:13.460 Because it's...
00:13:14.440 Because it's...
00:13:16.320 Because if these people look a lot like you guys,
00:13:19.300 can you guys condemn it on camera now?
00:13:20.780 Let's together.
00:13:21.440 Is that fair for me to do?
00:13:22.560 If it was people...
00:13:23.880 Okay, if it was people...
00:13:24.480 Let's say most people here are Christian.
00:13:25.740 I don't know.
00:13:26.420 But let's say if there's someone
00:13:27.360 who was using some sort of interpretation of Christianity
00:13:31.400 and saying,
00:13:32.040 look, this means that we can...
00:13:33.740 No, they don't.
00:13:34.540 Show me one of these grooming gangs.
00:13:36.240 Show me one of these grooming gangs
00:13:37.520 that said I groomed this girl
00:13:38.920 because the Quran told me to.
00:13:39.960 If there's a Christian gang in Mexico
00:13:41.300 who are peddling drugs...
00:13:42.500 No, that's what he's saying.
00:13:43.600 He said that.
00:13:44.760 He said that.
00:13:45.080 He said that.
00:13:45.320 If there's a Christian...
00:13:46.220 If there's a Catholic gang...
00:13:47.360 He said that he was supposed to emulate him, right?
00:13:48.580 There's a Catholic gang in Mexico.
00:13:49.760 Are you saying...
00:13:50.460 One second.
00:13:51.060 That's...
00:13:51.240 That's...
00:13:51.820 That's...
00:13:52.140 That's not the topic.
00:13:53.180 He married.
00:13:53.800 He married her.
00:13:54.740 He didn't groom her.
00:13:55.300 He married her.
00:13:55.920 He married her.
00:13:57.340 He married her.
00:13:58.120 I've said this before.
00:13:59.060 I've said this before.
00:14:00.780 She was six and cosplayed at nine.
00:14:02.940 No, no.
00:14:03.560 What's the...
00:14:03.960 What's the context?
00:14:05.040 No, hold on a second.
00:14:06.180 That's the point.
00:14:07.340 Exactly.
00:14:07.840 There you go.
00:14:08.460 This is...
00:14:09.100 This is...
00:14:09.360 This is...
00:14:10.000 One second.
00:14:11.120 Shh, shh, shh.
00:14:12.080 This is ignorance.
00:14:13.280 This is ignorance.
00:14:14.140 I'm going to talk about it.
00:14:14.840 Can we talk about it?
00:14:15.920 Can we talk about it properly?
00:14:17.500 Can we talk about it properly?
00:14:19.140 Can we talk about it?
00:14:19.740 I've said this before.
00:14:20.640 I've said it before.
00:14:21.340 One second.
00:14:22.220 One second.
00:14:22.560 Are you ready to debate it?
00:14:23.920 Are you going to debate it?
00:14:24.980 Answer my question.
00:14:25.760 I will answer it.
00:14:26.440 Do you want to have a debate?
00:14:27.640 You can't...
00:14:28.320 This is not a yes or no answer.
00:14:29.740 It's context.
00:14:30.320 Yes or no.
00:14:30.940 This is a context.
00:14:32.360 Exactly.
00:14:33.080 Okay.
00:14:33.700 UK was a pedophile country 100 years ago.
00:14:36.860 One second.
00:14:37.740 There you go.
00:14:38.640 Double standards.
00:14:39.680 Double standards.
00:14:40.960 Educate yourself.
00:14:41.760 Please.
00:14:42.040 You've come here...
00:14:42.700 No, no.
00:14:43.060 You've come here with hate.
00:14:44.220 You came here with hate.
00:14:45.400 I have.
00:14:45.720 That's why I'm trying to educate you.
00:14:46.780 You've come here with hate.
00:14:48.000 All you did is...
00:14:48.400 I don't want to listen to you.
00:14:49.400 I don't want to listen to you.
00:14:50.760 I've answered it.
00:14:52.820 I answered it.
00:14:53.460 When Robinson asked me,
00:14:54.540 I answered it.
00:14:55.720 Okay.
00:14:56.480 Yes, I'm the one.
00:14:57.560 Show me one hate that I've said.
00:14:58.660 Show me one hate that I've said.
00:14:59.920 Show me one hate that I've said.
00:15:01.980 I do.
00:15:02.480 I told Robinson this.
00:15:03.440 When am I racist?
00:15:04.220 Tell me whenever I preach hate.
00:15:05.780 Whenever I preach hate.
00:15:06.780 You hate the truth, man.
00:15:08.620 I'm going to answer it.
00:15:09.240 Can we ask this?
00:15:09.880 When have I preached hate?
00:15:11.500 You can't handle the truth.
00:15:12.860 You hate the truth.
00:15:14.240 Am I a hate preacher
00:15:14.880 or can't handle the truth?
00:15:15.560 Which one?
00:15:16.400 You can't handle the truth.
00:15:17.580 Okay, I know I'm a hate preacher.
00:15:18.800 You can't handle the truth.
00:15:19.420 Okay, can you tell me
00:15:20.500 whenever I preach hate?
00:15:21.880 Whenever I preach hate?
00:15:23.040 There is that guy
00:15:24.160 who wants to kill Tommy Robinson.
00:15:26.200 Which one?
00:15:26.640 You were waiting to ask
00:15:27.260 New Christians are valid, man.
00:15:28.640 Oh, okay.
00:15:29.340 Hang on.
00:15:29.880 Okay, one second, one second.
00:15:31.480 One second.
00:15:33.180 One second.
00:15:34.100 One second.
00:15:35.000 One second.
00:15:35.500 Tommy Robinson doesn't beat the guy
00:15:36.600 because he's mentally disturbed,
00:15:37.680 but when the guy says Ali,
00:15:38.580 that way he takes him seriously.
00:15:39.340 All right, so with Tommy Robinson,
00:15:41.360 I think that what he's trying to get at
00:15:43.120 is that when you were liking him to Hitler
00:15:47.040 and you say if he did have power,
00:15:48.640 that if he had that power,
00:15:50.320 he would slaughter Muslims.
00:15:52.120 It's like when you're saying that,
00:15:54.240 that is obviously going to influence
00:15:55.940 the actions of other people.
00:15:56.940 They're going to be like,
00:15:57.400 oh my God, there's this significant threat.
00:15:59.680 I don't think Tommy's necessarily
00:16:01.180 against the people.
00:16:02.280 He's just against the ideology.
00:16:03.120 He's not racist.
00:16:04.600 He wants to attack your arguments.
00:16:07.300 He doesn't want to attack you physically.
00:16:08.380 He wants to attack my arguments.
00:16:09.340 He's been running away for one whole year.
00:16:10.980 I have to chase him.
00:16:12.280 He's challenged everyone.
00:16:13.880 This book teaches take you 133 verses.
00:16:16.200 One verse?
00:16:16.980 Tommy, one verse?
00:16:18.300 133.
00:16:18.800 One verse.
00:16:19.480 One.
00:16:19.900 Not one verse came.
00:16:21.020 Can I ask you a question, Ali?
00:16:22.120 Not one verse.
00:16:22.880 Come on.
00:16:23.520 You've been saying here
00:16:24.460 that you're going to chase
00:16:25.800 that extremist in both camps.
00:16:27.580 There's a guy called Abdul Haq
00:16:28.840 that comes to the park.
00:16:30.000 Who's Abdul Haq?
00:16:30.780 On Jihadi next door, yeah?
00:16:32.180 Who's Abdul Haq?
00:16:33.160 I'll show you and then chase him, yeah?
00:16:35.120 Okay.
00:16:35.700 Because he was on Jihadi next door.
00:16:36.520 Has he said?
00:16:37.480 ISIS supporter, yeah?
00:16:38.860 Has he said that outright?
00:16:39.700 And he's been in prison as well.
00:16:40.300 Has he said outright
00:16:40.940 that he's an ISIS supporter?
00:16:42.400 Yeah, on the programme.
00:16:43.060 Then why is he on the roads, fam?
00:16:44.340 Why is he on the roads?
00:16:45.220 Lock him up.
00:16:46.380 Lock him up.
00:16:47.020 If he's coming to kill innocent people,
00:16:48.540 lock him up.
00:16:48.900 If he comes today here,
00:16:50.040 you confront him
00:16:50.820 like you confronted Tommy Robinson.
00:16:52.020 If he comes,
00:16:52.680 firstly, I can say something.
00:16:53.340 If he comes and says,
00:16:55.520 these are all kufar,
00:16:56.340 they should be killed,
00:16:56.960 I'll be a fan.
00:16:57.500 No, no, no.
00:16:57.780 Call the police, fam.
00:16:58.500 The police is there.
00:16:59.140 Go call him.
00:16:59.740 That's hypocritical.
00:17:01.520 The man's going to claim
00:17:02.580 to kill innocent people.
00:17:03.540 I'll call the police
00:17:04.100 and I'm a hypocrite.
00:17:04.680 I will do it,
00:17:05.060 but he's being a hypocrite.
00:17:06.500 How am I a hypocrite?
00:17:07.640 Raj, Raj, Raj, Raj.
00:17:09.500 I agree with a lot
00:17:10.160 of what Tommy Robinson said,
00:17:11.120 but not with the racists.
00:17:12.120 Raj, Raj, Raj.
00:17:12.500 Are you bipolar?
00:17:14.220 I don't know.
00:17:14.600 Because last week,
00:17:15.640 we could go,
00:17:17.080 I'm against Tommy Robinson
00:17:18.340 and this,
00:17:18.760 today he comes.
00:17:19.360 Make your mind up.
00:17:20.620 You seem very confused.
00:17:21.600 When did I say
00:17:22.140 I was against Tommy Robinson?
00:17:22.400 You do.
00:17:23.160 When you got caught
00:17:23.760 with that video
00:17:24.420 with National,
00:17:25.240 what are they called?
00:17:25.620 I'm against racist.
00:17:26.820 National front.
00:17:27.480 No, I wasn't with National front.
00:17:28.200 No, National front.
00:17:28.780 No, National front.
00:17:29.200 No, National front.
00:17:29.820 That guy who came from,
00:17:31.200 you know that guy
00:17:32.240 who couldn't come in
00:17:33.060 with his girlfriend?
00:17:35.380 North Slander.
00:17:36.200 When they interviewed you.
00:17:37.380 Peter Sweden?
00:17:38.140 Yeah.
00:17:38.660 I didn't know he was.
00:17:39.500 You didn't know.
00:17:40.320 Okay, Raj, right.
00:17:41.780 I'm against all kinds of extremism.
00:17:42.960 There's a problem with grooming.
00:17:43.780 I don't care.
00:17:44.340 I speak against Sikhs.
00:17:46.560 I speak against
00:17:47.220 Anjum Choudhury,
00:17:48.280 ISIS.
00:17:48.860 I don't care.
00:17:49.880 Let me tell you something.
00:17:50.960 You know why?
00:17:51.580 You know why I'm against extremists,
00:17:52.800 yeah?
00:17:52.920 Let me tell you something,
00:17:53.640 yeah?
00:17:53.760 Look.
00:17:54.040 We'll find him today.
00:17:54.620 Let me tell you why.
00:17:55.340 Let me tell you.
00:17:55.780 When I find him,
00:17:56.420 let's confront him.
00:17:57.380 Let me tell you.
00:17:57.960 Allow me.
00:17:58.300 Allow me.
00:17:58.580 Let me tell you something,
00:17:59.240 yeah?
00:17:59.500 The reason why I'm against extremists
00:18:00.720 is because you know why?
00:18:01.440 We are the ones that suffer.
00:18:02.760 There's a line.
00:18:03.180 Look, imagine there's a line here,
00:18:04.180 yeah?
00:18:04.300 And I suffer as well
00:18:04.980 because I look like this.
00:18:05.640 Yeah, I know.
00:18:05.940 We don't want to suffer.
00:18:06.500 Why are you suffering
00:18:07.000 because you look like that?
00:18:07.380 Yeah, no, no.
00:18:07.960 Most people can't tell
00:18:08.740 I'm a Sikh, can they?
00:18:10.520 When I'm walking around
00:18:11.340 with this...
00:18:11.720 That looks so dangerous.
00:18:12.480 You didn't see where to do it.
00:18:13.080 It's a little bit dangerous.
00:18:13.580 This side, this side, this side.
00:18:14.880 Yeah, you've got to scare people
00:18:15.700 if you do that.
00:18:16.100 I'm not one of the good guys.
00:18:16.660 Especially with this, man.
00:18:17.680 So, what I'm trying to say is this.
00:18:19.940 Imagine there's a line, yeah?
00:18:21.100 Look, we, the British public,
00:18:22.520 are on one side.
00:18:23.100 We're here just trying
00:18:24.740 to tackle extremism.
00:18:26.040 Anjum Choudhury,
00:18:27.040 ISIS,
00:18:27.880 far-right groups
00:18:28.580 like Tommy Robinson,
00:18:29.560 Britain First,
00:18:30.280 are on this side.
00:18:31.320 I'm not saying they're
00:18:32.120 exactly equivalent to ISIS
00:18:33.300 because ISIS outright
00:18:34.160 just goes into madness
00:18:35.180 and kills Muslims.
00:18:36.580 They kill Muslims
00:18:37.200 and blow up mosques, yeah?
00:18:38.300 They're on one side
00:18:39.260 saying,
00:18:40.240 preaching hate.
00:18:41.140 Who suffers?
00:18:42.260 We suffer.
00:18:43.100 You end up getting run over
00:18:44.140 or I end up getting run over.
00:18:45.440 Why?
00:18:46.060 Oh, the Kufar.
00:18:47.400 Oh, no.
00:18:48.100 Muslim, they want to take over.
00:18:49.300 Infidel, blah, blah.
00:18:50.160 We are the ones
00:18:51.020 who are getting run over
00:18:51.760 and I'm here to stop that
00:18:53.060 because if we don't,
00:18:54.380 more people are going to die
00:18:55.240 like you and like me
00:18:56.520 at the hands of these people
00:18:57.720 who are pocketing money
00:18:58.880 and doing it for their own agenda
00:19:00.020 by speaking out against it.