Ali Dawah - AL ROOMANI & ALI DAWAH FACE TO FACE - DEEN SHOW

00:00:00.000 It was kind of the knitting battle, and Gabriel Armani, he had like a rap song, and this and that, and that, and this.

00:00:07.240 Mufti Mank on the phone as well, and a couple of other sheriffs have called me and talked and so on and so forth.

00:00:13.220 I think good things came out of it, and we can see that there's been a discussion around this issue.

00:00:20.500 Don't attack each other. Don't be hostile towards each other.

00:00:22.960 Wallahi, it's not correct. Let's advise one another.

00:00:25.160 We're trying to do something for the deen to the best of our capabilities.

00:00:28.540 Let's try to understand each other.

00:00:30.400 If there's Claire Barton, Claire Barton, and you advise a person in private, and you continue, and they do it,

00:00:37.040 then the deen calls us.

00:00:39.060 If it's done in public, you should now refute in public.

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00:00:57.260 So one more thing before we conclude.

00:01:00.120 So I'm just teaching my children how to knit.

00:01:02.660 I learned to knit when I was six years old, and I remember the moves in, round, out, and off.

00:01:09.780 In, round, out, and off.

00:01:12.520 Now my kids are learning.

00:01:14.140 I just got them a set of knitting needles and some huge wool, and we said, let's go for it, mashallah.

00:01:19.940 You know, Minky and Zinji can have a little blanket or two.

00:01:23.220 And inshallah, we can also spend our time a little bit constructively.

00:01:26.640 So that's round, that's off.

00:01:29.740 So in, round, out, and off.

00:01:33.300 In, round, out, and off.

00:01:35.520 And that's the last one.

00:01:36.400 In, round, out, and off.

00:01:37.340 That's 20 stitches.

00:01:38.660 And let's see how far we've gotten.

00:01:40.080 Mashallah.

00:01:40.780 Tabarakallah.

00:01:41.420 There it goes.

00:01:41.980 Ooh, we're getting there.

00:01:43.120 Mashallah.

00:01:43.800 See?

00:01:43.960 There was kind of the knitting battle, and Gabriel Armani, he had like a rap song, and this and that, and that, and this.

00:01:51.600 It was kind of the knitting battle, and Gabriel Armani, he had like a rap song, and this and that, and that, and this.

00:02:02.400 So, and I want to show here how two brothers, they can disagree on some things, right?

00:02:09.280 But they can still love each other for the sake of Allah.

00:02:11.560 You follow me?

00:02:12.720 So, of course, we don't, we, we, we agree on something that is more powerful than that.

00:02:16.960 That's the Tawheed. 1.00

00:02:17.720 That's the pure monotheism, right?

00:02:19.360 And to avoid shirk, to avoid that, this anger is God Almighty Allah.

00:02:22.580 And you're going to have, within families, you're going to have people who put their hands up here, put their hands up there.

00:02:27.480 You disagree on some, some political, this, that, and that.

00:02:29.700 But at the end of the day, you come together, you're family, right?

00:02:32.460 So you two are family.

00:02:33.620 You can disagree on some things, but at the end of the day, you agree on something much stronger than all that.

00:02:37.680 So what was the kind of contention here that you guys wanted to, or you wanted to clarify, and maybe some misunderstanding or something?

00:02:45.460 To be honest, I wanted to, Robert, Stav Gabriel, maybe if he can just maybe, just tell us what, like, for example, what, he did express it in the videos, but, like, it would be nice if he can tell us, like, what was going through his mind and, like, the frustration that he had.

00:02:58.520 Because the thing is, it's very important, when it comes to these matters of Muslims disagreeing with each other, you know, a lot of the time, sometimes we need to put ourselves into the other person's shoes.

00:03:06.460 You know, there might be some disagreements, but, you know, like, we need to have love towards the believers.

00:03:11.280 It's very important.

00:03:12.160 In the UK, and we have a big problem of certain groups, maybe you wouldn't want me to mention them, you know, but they're very hostile towards the believers. 1.00

00:03:20.300 Very, very hostile.

00:03:21.520 Physically, intellectually, in all angles, you know, we've seen how they treat the believers, how they treat the Muslims. 1.00

00:03:28.520 And with me, it's not like that, you know, just because I disagreed with Brother Gabriel on a certain subject, I don't automatically be like, oh, you know, I don't like this guy.

00:03:35.540 And, you know, and we have this attitude, you know, sadly, the lifestyle that we live in, you know, everything is, we replace it easily.

00:03:41.440 You know, Amazon Prime, I don't like it, I'll order the next one.

00:03:44.060 You know, it's, we have this attitude and we implement it with our friends and Muslims as well.

00:03:48.980 He does something to annoy me, khalas, I've never seen any good from him, khalas, he's finished. 1.00

00:03:53.180 This is a wrong attitude.

00:03:53.980 That's the reason why I came to the deen show, because, you know, Brother Gabriel is a believer.

00:03:59.320 I love him for the sake of Allah.

00:04:00.180 I don't have any kind of animosity towards him.

00:04:02.320 We can disagree.

00:04:03.400 We'll talk about that and we will leave it at that.

00:04:05.400 But it's not like, oh, I don't like Gabriel.

00:04:07.440 Now, Brother Gabriel doesn't like Mufti Meng.

00:04:08.940 Now, Mufti Meng doesn't like him and we don't like, this is, no, we have to talk about these matters.

00:04:13.900 We're believers.

00:04:14.400 We love each other.

00:04:14.940 We want the best for the ummah.

00:04:16.400 We're coming from different angles.

00:04:17.640 So, I just wanted to start, Gabriel, inshallah, if you can just, just from his, you know, we've discussed it, but maybe just to give a, you know, what happened, you know, et cetera, because you deal with clients, et cetera.

00:04:27.720 What happened and then we can maybe just elaborate and educate the Muslim youth on how to deal with disagreements and, you know, where we're coming from.

00:04:35.500 Yeah, so, I did speak with Mufti Meng on the phone as well and a couple of other shares have called me and talked and so on and so forth.

00:04:48.540 You know, I think good things came out of it and we can see that there's been a discussion around this issue.

00:04:55.640 I think people need to understand that there was no nitpicking.

00:05:00.080 I was not picking on niching or I was not picking necessarily on Mufti Meng as a figure. 0.97

00:05:06.060 I was putting or picking on maybe what he was representing and not only in that video.

00:05:11.100 There's a couple of others that have been pointed out a few times and it's been over the years, actually, just so people understand the background.

00:05:19.100 I don't have anything against him personally or anything like that.

00:05:22.420 We talked and so on.

00:05:24.180 You know, we gave each other our advice and so on.

00:05:26.680 I cannot disclose as to what we talked and whatnot, but we just, you know, kind of give each other's advice.

00:05:32.100 Background that I was covering, I reviewed my video yesterday again.

00:05:34.780 I know that I was a bit hot and, you know, mashallah, a few different shares told me, okay, maybe you could have said this in a different tone and so on.

00:05:41.840 Obviously, these days, it is sensitive.

00:05:46.320 People get upset and whatnot.

00:05:47.660 And I agree.

00:05:48.300 I think my tone sometimes I get a bit passionate.

00:05:50.420 But, you know, also you have to understand when you deal with, you know, people from all over who are falling into this trap of, and I'm not saying he's putting that trap for anyone else.

00:06:01.760 What I'm saying is there is a trap out there to emasculinize men, to make them more feminine and so on.

00:06:08.000 So, when that happens, when you see the products of this, not necessarily that an activity is haram necessarily, you know, this is haram or that is haram and whatnot, is kind of what that might be interpreted as.

00:06:21.500 And it's not only about knitting.

00:06:24.020 I don't want to bring up the other things because I don't want to start again on another issue, okay.

00:06:28.280 I have, and others have, also talked to him and have highlighted some of his other posts.

00:06:34.760 So, it has nothing to do with that and nothing to do with disrespecting him.

00:06:38.320 I looked at the video again.

00:06:39.780 Again, it was my tone maybe.

00:06:41.520 I think I mentioned a kid.

00:06:43.100 Do I'm going to refute a kid?

00:06:44.120 And I think maybe people thought I'm calling him a kid.

00:06:46.100 No, it was another video of a kid, a child, giving a khutbah within one of their lectures.

00:06:51.400 So, I was not calling him a kid.

00:06:53.400 As-salahullah.

00:06:54.120 I would never do that.

00:06:55.800 And that's not my way.

00:06:56.940 I've been taught by my sheikhs never to disrespect, okay, the people of knowledge and the guys, even if I disagree with them, okay.

00:07:03.580 Yes, I know that my tone was a bit tough.

00:07:07.160 But, you know, I mean, it is a huge issue.

00:07:12.680 I didn't call him as not being a real man or anything like that because I know you've highlighted some of his achievements, mashallah.

00:07:18.720 All I said is basically, even if you go on right now through a lot of his videos and posts, that, you know, we should, someone of his stature, of his, mashallah, follower, could be a bit more balanced in posting a little bit more about maybe husband's rights, about respect for husbands.

00:07:37.920 Right now I have a case today, this morning, where the woman punched the husband in the face during a flight in the airplane, in the face, man.

00:07:45.580 And there's, you know, it's just, I want to be the boss.

00:07:49.360 I'm the, you're not a man, this and that.

00:07:51.720 And then you'll be like, what does that have to do with this guy?

00:07:54.320 It's not having to do with him.

00:07:55.700 It's a bigger picture.

00:07:56.600 I think people restricted it to the knitting and to follow up.

00:07:59.440 You know, it's not to do with that, is that I believe we need to bring about this issue a bit more to talk about the emasculinization of man.

00:08:09.860 We need to have more activities that are a bit more conducive towards building real men.

00:08:15.320 And I think the chefs and the da'is have to talk a little bit more, a little bit more about this, to balance it out, the jokes with, you know, like, you know, the woman is the law, or the, you know, the happy wife, happy life, these kind of things.

00:08:30.540 Right, it's good, it's nice, it's cute, and so on.

00:08:32.280 I understand that men should treat their wives better.

00:08:34.700 There's a lot of bad men out there as well, who men treat their women.

00:08:38.040 And I appreciate, you know, the people highlighting those issues and trying to teach men to be softer towards their wives.

00:08:43.900 There's no doubt this is a sunnah of the Prophet, but the Prophet, as Ali, you know, also raised, right, that he was fighting battles, he was a real man, he was strong, and so on.

00:08:51.800 People made it about knitting, it was not about knitting, it was not about picking on someone.

00:08:57.020 It's a bigger issue, it's an issue that right now, if you look and you are to pick amongst the people who are doing dawah, how many people are actually raising some of these issues, be it LGBTQ, and I'm happy that we talked about it today.

00:09:11.000 Okay, I know Ali keeps it real in a lot of his videos, alhamdulillah, I've seen it, I've been following Ali for a long time, his post, you know, being on the street there on the ground, right, he's not behind a desk or behind, you know, his lecturing.

00:09:23.300 So that I appreciate, you know what I mean, there's a lot of real stuff going on.

00:09:26.260 I think we just need a bit more, we need to talk about a bit more real issues.

00:09:31.380 And when I talk to Mukherjee, he explained to me as to why sometimes he might not do this and that, I disagree with him, I advise him, and that's pretty much it.

00:09:41.460 You know, one thing that sometimes I get hate on as well is, and I think, and this is what I'm trying to understand, you know, the reason why I wanted to elaborate on this topic is because the thing is, the ummah needs to understand that different people give different styles of dawah.

00:10:00.360 Yeah, and I believe your one is more like cutthroat, and I believe the ummah needs that, it's definitely something that we definitely need, it's cutthroat, it's needed, and it's, I'll be honest, it's something within my style as well, where I like to be like that as well, I like to be cutthroat sometimes, you know, I like to get to the point, and I think it needs it as well.

00:10:18.220 But I think sometimes what happens is, like, I used to, at once, you know your brother, Ummah Issa, a Nasheed artist?

00:10:23.900 Yes.

00:10:24.500 Yeah, so basically, once I can remember, I was at an event, and Ummah Issa was performing.

00:10:28.140 And, you know, his Nasheed style is a bit different, yeah, it's a bit different, and there was a brother, and he was like, oh, look at this brother, you know, this soft voice, feminine voice, and I was like, you're actually backbiting him, you know, you're in front of me, you're backbiting the guy, you know, and I was like, Aki, look, that's his style, it doesn't make it haram, yeah, you might not like it, you might not like the style, okay, I agree with you, you might say, you know what, it's not for me, I can say, some of Ummah Issa's Nasheeds are not for me, some of them I love, some of them, they're not just for me.

00:10:56.480 It doesn't make him wrong, it doesn't make what he's doing is haram, like, when I look at the bigger picture, like, recently I got into doing skits, yeah, so for example, I do certain skits, and some people come in and say to me, you know, oh, what is this, is this the dawah, is this, et cetera, and I was thinking, look, my, if I'm using a specific style, yeah, okay, now you might think, and when I mean you, I'm not talking about Brother Gabriel or Brother Eddie, I'm talking in general with the person.

00:11:19.360 Listen, if this, if it doesn't fit your style, or you don't like it, or some people say it's cringe, some people message me and say, Brother, you know that was a bit cringe, I said, may Allah bless you, I appreciate it, I know, when I was doing it and watching it, it was cringe for me to edit it, I was, I was cringed out myself, watching myself, but the objective that I was trying to get out, if I, sometimes, you know, we have this thing of, you know, I will fight for the sake of Allah, you know, I will do this for the sake of Allah, well, can we sometimes be cringe for the sake of Allah?

00:11:45.360 Yanni, Yanni, sometimes, it's not about ego, it's not about, about what people, I don't care what people think about me, you get it, they can say it's cringe, if I'm doing something that is permissible, and I'm using a specific style in the dawah, I shouldn't get attacked for that, people were attacking me, like, why are you doing this, et cetera, this, no, I said, yaki, is it haram? No, yaki, that's the preference, Yanni, if you don't like it, why are you discrediting what I'm doing?

00:12:07.680 Because it doesn't fall into your preference or your style, because some brothers are ragged, they like to start a bit, you know, cutthroat, but if some other dawah is not doing it that way, is it fair, is it fair to have a go at them for not doing it the way you deem it should be?

00:12:25.860 This is why I think it's fair.

00:12:27.520 That's a good point.

00:12:28.260 Yeah.

00:12:28.920 That's a good point.

00:12:30.160 Look, the thing is, Ali, the thing is, I never said it's haram, so that's clear, I never said that it's impermissible.

00:12:37.780 My brothers brought the issue of, you know, Idris, alayhi salam, weaving, Imam Ahmed, sometimes, you know, he had weaving plates, you know, and so on.

00:12:48.440 I said, that's fine, I mean, you know, I think within the first five minutes, I mentioned the hadith of Aisha radiallahu alayhi wa ta'ala about the process and sewing his clothes and mending his shoes.

00:12:58.140 In my video, I've mentioned it three times that I checked it in the first five minutes, because I knew that, and still people, that's all they read in the, or wrote in the comments.

00:13:06.280 They're in the process and, you know, sew his clothes, I'm like, guys, listen, man, it's like three times I've been checked.

00:13:10.800 The thing is, with the different styles, Ali, is Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala tells us,

00:13:16.940 لَقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّهِ وَسْوَةٌ حَسَنِ

00:13:19.500 Okay, the Prophet ﷺ was soft and he was strong.

00:13:23.200 The Prophet ﷺ was a balance, insane camera.

00:13:25.720 So if we follow a strategy for Islam and for our dawah, he is the one and only that we should look for. 0.99

00:13:32.680 Of course, we look at the Sahaba as well.

00:13:34.360 Yeah, you have, he taught that to his companions.

00:13:38.140 I agree that there's a softer force sometimes.

00:13:40.160 But there's a context.

00:13:41.680 I agree that there's a stronger force sometimes and there's a context.

00:13:44.360 I don't think I'm cutthroat because if you look through my videos, there's a lot of intellectual stuff.

00:13:48.160 I talk about education.

00:13:49.280 I talk about all kinds.

00:13:50.640 Sometimes, yes, I do get hot.

00:13:51.880 Sometimes I'm a bit different.

00:13:53.580 It depends.

00:13:54.240 Not necessarily cutthroat.

00:13:55.900 But I think we have to have a company.

00:13:57.700 My only contention was that I understand his style.

00:14:01.520 I'm just saying, can he do a bit more?

00:14:03.560 Being in a position of yet he is of so much influence where we have so many problems in this world

00:14:08.900 that the community that follows him a lot, a big, large community, are suffering from these issues.

00:14:15.560 And he can make a huge, with a small post, a huge difference in maybe teaching men how to be better to the virus.

00:14:22.960 Okay, fine.

00:14:23.480 I see.

00:14:23.760 But also teaching women how to be a bit more respectful to their husbands, a bit more careful towards their households and their children and so on.

00:14:30.600 A bit more aware as to the LGBTQ agenda and what's happening within the schools.

00:14:36.460 Because a lot of these people have children in the schools and so on.

00:14:39.120 And I brought up the issue of muruah.

00:14:40.640 I just felt that for a person of his stature, it was just not appropriate.

00:14:45.020 I didn't say it's not hara.

00:14:46.320 And that's why Imam Shafi said, rahim Allah, he said that if I knew that drinking cold water would tarnish my muruah,

00:14:53.200 I would only drink warm water.

00:14:55.540 Right?

00:14:55.720 He just has this statement.

00:14:56.560 And I can send you the statement Arabic.

00:14:58.780 It's just about muruah.

00:15:00.260 It's one of the requirements in the Mustafa al-Hadith we're accepting.

00:15:03.600 It's not wrong. 0.84

00:15:05.100 Okay?

00:15:05.360 It's not haram to drink this water.

00:15:08.700 It's just how people might perceive it.

00:15:11.460 And is it something that someone of this stature?

00:15:14.480 I would just say that he could do a little bit more balance.

00:15:16.700 I understand that it's a different style.

00:15:19.300 But I think the Prophet ﷺ had the comprehensive style.

00:15:22.540 There was sometimes a bit of harshness or strength.

00:15:26.000 Let's say firmness, even in the squat pass, to the point that you'll get red and so on when you talk about certain things.

00:15:32.120 And sometimes you'll find him crying and his beard wet and subhanAllah, you know, just touching an orphan's head and just dealing with the children.

00:15:39.760 It's so beautiful when it just softens your heart.

00:15:42.260 You know, that's pretty much what I was trying, what I'm trying to make.

00:15:46.320 I think living in the 21st century, the challenges that we are facing right now, 2021, with all the new laws that have been passed by, all the new push, the new curriculum, people just got a lockdown.

00:16:00.000 Now, I understand that, okay, spend time with the children.

00:16:03.440 But let us look also at other things as well, because there's a lot of issues that we can address.

00:16:09.820 And people in power, and that, mashallah, influence, can really influence the people, can really.

00:16:15.440 The Indian-Pakistani community has huge problems with da'ari, with abuse, with this.

00:16:21.040 Sorry, Ali, you know, in London, I have many of my clients from London, the streets of London, Somalis are stabbing each other, the Pakistanis are stabbing each other, drugs, and so many problems, man. 1.00

00:16:30.900 You guys have so many issues in that community, subhanAllah.

00:16:34.000 And people don't understand what's happening on the streets of London, you know.

00:16:36.720 You know, I talked to parents, you know, I had a sister whose son got stabbed, you know.

00:16:41.160 The kids were coming to her door trying to stab her in the sun.

00:16:44.240 It's not a joke, people need to understand.

00:16:46.580 I think a lot of these people might, might having Instagram, Facebook, they might be scrolling and seeing a video of Mufti Mank or whoever, and they'll be like, oh, brothers, you know, let's do this.

00:17:00.080 Brothers, don't do that.

00:17:01.080 It's not just about let's love each other, but also the Prophet shallallahu alaihi wa sallam says that the sahaba used to ask the Prophet shallallahu alaihi wa sallam about the good things.

00:17:09.240 I used to ask him about the bad things, you know.

00:17:11.240 Like, we need to balance it all.

00:17:13.160 If you make a video like, guys, don't do that.

00:17:15.180 Guys, this is not correct.

00:17:16.300 Guys, you know, let's be a bit more.

00:17:18.160 This thingy can reach a huge job.

00:17:21.260 Are you saying, I've heard you talk about, like, Gabriel, like, for instance, if we talk about, people talk about the rights, you know, that Islam gave for the Muslim woman, you know, that she is to be honored, cherished, respected.

00:17:37.260 You know, and then you quote the hadith from the last, the final messenger, you know, the best of you are those who are best to their wives.

00:17:43.520 So, you know, to live with them on the footing of kindness, of mercy.

00:17:48.520 You know, this is just clear.

00:17:49.780 You know, this is just clear.

00:17:49.880 But at the same time, are you saying to be balanced?

00:17:52.480 Like, you also have, if you're instructing the man there, like many men, like, hold on.

00:17:57.800 But what about, you know, if you also, where the righteous women are devoutly obedient and straightened from the Quran, then you also, should you be balanced in quoting the hadith that are also talking about?

00:18:06.420 If I would have, if I would have ordered anyone to make Sajda, I would order the wife to her husband. 1.00

00:18:11.480 Also, you know, just, there's so many about when the woman came.

00:18:14.400 These things have to be explained and educated.

00:18:16.680 Educated.

00:18:17.160 So is that, is that what you're saying?

00:18:18.960 Like, watch your attitude because your husband is your paradise or your hellfire, right?

00:18:23.040 So we don't hear a lot of these, but it's just like, okay, keep it balanced.

00:18:26.400 Is that what you're saying?

00:18:27.420 There's a reaction in women right now, obviously, because no doubt there's been some men who just didn't do things right.

00:18:33.080 But the solution to that is not to empower necessarily women beyond what Allah has empowered them with, you know, right?

00:18:39.980 Because right now there's a...

00:18:41.340 So those bums don't represent the actual illustration of Islam. 0.95

00:18:46.300 If they misrepresent it, they're not kind.

00:18:48.500 They don't, like, take the exception to the...

00:18:50.820 Exactly.

00:18:51.040 Exactly.

00:18:51.540 That's not the solution.

00:18:52.400 So I think right now there's a reaction in women on the other side where women are being empowered. 0.96

00:18:58.180 If you look at, as I said, if you look at the female sheikhs or the female du'at, you know, 1.00

00:19:03.140 where I give in dawah, they keep talking about women, empower yourself, take care of your body, go to the gym, you know, learn martial. 1.00

00:19:09.900 I was just looking, today someone said, you know, they're like, mashallah, doing kickboxing, all kinds of things.

00:19:15.620 You know, the women are, mashallah, you know, being told, go out, be independent. 1.00

00:19:19.420 You keep hearing these things, and the sheikhs are promoting that. 1.00

00:19:22.500 Look at their social media.

00:19:25.020 Not that I'm just looking to check.

00:19:26.320 I know people are like, oh, you're looking at that.

00:19:28.120 It's people, clients, people, forward things to me.

00:19:31.560 I do check.

00:19:32.300 I check.

00:19:33.300 Look at their speeches.

00:19:34.420 Look at what they're talking about.

00:19:36.020 How many are saying, hey, sister, let's stay at home and take care of our children because they're being put into schools for eight hours or in front of a screen now for 10 hours or whatever, and they're being conditioned, you know, and then you're like, what's wrong with my son?

00:19:47.720 Why does he have this and that?

00:19:49.360 So, you know, but where is the sheikhs, the sister, da'is or da'at, you know, who are teaching the women to, hey, you know, let's take care of our household. 0.90

00:19:59.020 Let's talk about some ethics.

00:20:00.580 Let's teach our kids in the house. 0.93

00:20:02.200 Let's, you know, respect our husbands.

00:20:04.100 Let's maybe, you know, dress a bit better when the husband comes outside from the fitna that he can actually look at something nice when he comes in because that's his halal. 1.00

00:20:11.420 But all I'm saying is let's bring back the sunnah, the imbalance.

00:20:15.960 If you want to talk about females' rights and empowerment, let's talk about men's rights and empowerment. 0.85

00:20:19.900 If you want to talk about feminine and this, let's talk about masculinity, right? 0.53

00:20:23.520 And bottom line is the man is the imam of the house.

00:20:27.400 There's no ifs, ands, and buts about it.

00:20:28.840 As much as people are going to try to go left and right and back and center, the man is the imam of the house.

00:20:35.060 That is not just like I want to beat myself in the chest.

00:20:37.520 Ha-ha, we want.

00:20:38.240 It's about responsibility, accountability.

00:20:40.100 It's about a lot of things that a man has to carry on his shoulder.

00:20:44.540 Going back to the Quran, so I'm understanding these things, educating the community.

00:20:48.300 We'll solve our problems.

00:20:49.940 Keep inflating the women, empowering them and giving that, and deflating the man, you know, smaller, weaker.

00:20:55.260 Yeah, it's halal to knit. 0.99

00:20:56.700 It's halal to sew. 1.00

00:20:57.700 It's halal to this, you know.

00:20:58.920 But the women are talking about kickboxing. 1.00

00:21:00.600 The women are talking about raising their fists in there. 1.00

00:21:02.680 The women are demanding their rights. 0.63

00:21:04.080 The women are pushing to go out and work and wear pants and, you know, do whatever. 1.00

00:21:10.100 And, I don't know, dance in front of people and play basketball in front of people and whatnot.

00:21:14.540 Not that there's anything wrong or harm with that's one.

00:21:16.940 I didn't say that.

00:21:17.860 All I'm saying is look at the different approaches.

00:21:20.600 Empower, get strong, this and that.

00:21:22.360 Here, not so much because we have to be careful not to be…

00:21:25.540 Ali.

00:21:26.320 Yeah.

00:21:26.520 What do you want to…

00:21:27.440 Before we conclude, what do you want to say?

00:21:29.520 That's why when I did the video, I agreed with where you're coming from, your concerns, you know.

00:21:33.600 And, sadly, when you do these videos, people were sending attacks towards you and then sending attacks towards Mufti.

00:21:39.180 And then I was getting some attacks as well.

00:21:40.520 And it's like, look, man, we're not here.

00:21:42.380 We're trying to reason.

00:21:43.460 Just because I did the video doesn't mean…

00:21:45.460 I don't know why people do that.

00:21:48.280 I heard that you're going to lose your job.

00:21:49.660 And I was very disturbed by that.

00:21:50.640 I was like, why would you lose your job? 1.00

00:21:52.420 You know, this is pathetic. 0.98

00:21:53.820 And the thing is, just because I disagree with the execution Brother Gabriel done. 0.99

00:21:57.720 I knew where he was coming from.

00:21:58.840 I'm 100% with him.

00:21:59.920 It's just the execution.

00:22:01.020 And I do that sometimes.

00:22:02.160 And we all make mistakes.

00:22:03.920 But the thing is, for someone to lose their job, for someone to get hate.

00:22:07.620 Yeah, people are sending you hate. 0.99

00:22:08.860 Bye, Muslims. 1.00

00:22:09.880 Look, this attitude is that cultish behavior, yeah?

00:22:12.740 Okay, we love Brother Mufti Meng, we love Brother Gabriel, we love Brother Eddie.

00:22:16.160 But if I make a mistake, you can't say it's Ali Dawah.

00:22:17.860 Who the hell is Ali Dawah?

00:22:18.880 What do you mean it's Ali Dawah?

00:22:20.220 If I make a mistake, you tell me, Brother Ali, you was wrong.

00:22:22.220 No, we've seen good work.

00:22:23.820 Yes, okay, you've seen good work.

00:22:25.400 It's not good for us to cross out, cancel somebody just because a mistake we deem them to make.

00:22:31.380 And this is a society we live in sadly.

00:22:32.760 You make one mistake, people forget about you.

00:22:34.540 That shouldn't be the case, you know.

00:22:36.180 But I just see as, for example, like with Mufti Meng, even like, for example, the Danish interview,

00:22:40.300 I believe, like, he's already, we can see he's already under pressure.

00:22:44.860 Yes, some things he said, I can understand because he's under pressure.

00:22:49.460 And he wants to open his Dawah to Tawheed around the world. 1.00

00:22:52.420 He doesn't want it to be limited in different areas.

00:22:54.340 Now, that can be argued.

00:22:55.680 But whenever I think about this, it reminds me of the Treaty of Hudaybiya.

00:22:59.220 And when Surah Feth was revealed, yeah? 0.92

00:23:01.860 The Sahaba on their way to do Umrah or Hajj, yeah? 0.98

00:23:05.100 They're on their way.

00:23:06.300 They're being stopped.

00:23:07.560 They're being offered an agreement that if you heard today, certain brothers,

00:23:13.180 wala, they would lose their mind. 0.77

00:23:14.300 Can you imagine that you're being told you're going to hand over the believing men to the mushriks? 1.00

00:23:19.420 You're going to hand them over to the mushriks. 1.00

00:23:21.060 And then on top of that, the ones who become, who leave Islam, you send them back. 1.00

00:23:25.080 And if Muslims from here travel to you, I mean, you're going to send them back. 1.00

00:23:29.560 And so the agreement was like, and then Allah sends a revelation.

00:23:32.880 And he says, we've given you a clear victory.

00:23:35.340 The Sahaba were like, what clear victory? 1.00

00:23:37.640 So in the moment, we think sometimes it's like, this doesn't make sense.

00:23:41.880 And it's, we are, we're finished, you know, in putting Muhammad Hijab's word, you know, 0.84

00:23:46.140 you're finished, you know, you're finished, you're finished, yeah?

00:23:48.400 We're literally finished.

00:23:49.260 But the hikmah behind it, and even Umar ibn Qattab kind of vocalizing his thing against

00:23:55.640 the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and regretting after, and the companions not

00:23:59.000 listening to the Prophet, peace be upon him, sometimes there's wisdom in certain things

00:24:02.940 that are being done.

00:24:04.160 And we have to, even though from the outside, it's like, bruh, seriously, like, it might

00:24:08.920 make you cringe.

00:24:09.780 You might be like, what the hell?

00:24:12.060 We need to sometimes, I believe, look at the bigger picture with what Brother Gabriel's

00:24:16.260 doing, Brother Mufti Menk is doing, Brother Eddie's doing, or what I'm doing on Muhammad 0.99

00:24:19.780 Hijab, whatever it may be, we shouldn't, as Muslims, have hostility towards each other,

00:24:23.940 because it's sad to see that the consequences of that is that Brother Gabriel might lose

00:24:27.640 his job, or get death threats, and Mufti Menk is getting attacked, and then I'm getting

00:24:31.300 attacked, and then why should it be like that?

00:24:33.120 Let's understand, Brother Gabriel is coming from a place of genuine concern, and Brother Mufti

00:24:38.120 Menk is coming from a genuine concern.

00:24:39.820 We all are, we're just trying to fight the same battle in different means.

00:24:43.820 And the reason why I wanted to do this is to touch upon that Muslims, don't attack each

00:24:48.260 other, there's no him against me, we're all, like, don't turn against somebody just because

00:24:53.260 you disagree.

00:24:54.080 That's the reason why I wanted to do this segment, to emphasize on that, not emphasize

00:24:57.520 on the whole knitting thing, etc.

00:24:59.060 Brother Gabriel's made clarifications, Mufti Menk's made clarifications, I'm making further

00:25:02.980 clarifications, it's just, brothers, if we disagree, or our sisters, don't attack each

00:25:09.380 other, don't be hostile towards each other.

00:25:10.840 Wallahi, it's not correct.

00:25:12.060 Let's advise one another, we're trying to do something for the deen to the best of

00:25:15.800 our capabilities.

00:25:16.860 Let's try to understand each other.

00:25:18.260 If there's clear battle, clear cut battle, and you advise a person in private, and you

00:25:23.620 continue, and they do it, then the deen calls us, if it's done in public, you should now

00:25:29.700 refute in public.

00:25:30.500 I understand that.

00:25:31.720 That was it, Wallahi, that's all I wanted to say.

00:25:33.900 Okay, so alhamdulillah, I'm very happy, elated, that we got both of you brothers together.

00:25:39.240 We covered a lot, and inshallah, we can do it again.

00:25:44.600 Jazakallah, thank you both, my brothers.

00:25:47.300 It was really nice to have you both on the deen show.

00:25:50.460 Jazakallah, haid, magadu maari Allah, reward both of you, preserve you, protect you.

00:25:54.480 Inshallah, we can do this again sometime.

00:25:56.240 Thank you.

00:25:56.600 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.

Ali Dawah - March 12, 2021

AL ROOMANI & ALI DAWAH FACE TO FACE - DEEN SHOW

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