Jummah Kutbahaykah on Muslims disagreeing with each other and how to deal with it in jannah, as well as a discussion on why it is important to understand each other's point of views and what to do about it.
00:02:33.620You can disagree on some things, but at the end of the day, you agree on something much stronger than all that.
00:02:37.680So what was the kind of contention here that you guys wanted to, or you wanted to clarify, and maybe some misunderstanding or something?
00:02:45.460To be honest, I wanted to, Robert, Stav Gabriel, maybe if he can just maybe, just tell us what, like, for example, what, he did express it in the videos, but, like, it would be nice if he can tell us, like, what was going through his mind and, like, the frustration that he had.
00:02:58.520Because the thing is, it's very important, when it comes to these matters of Muslims disagreeing with each other, you know, a lot of the time, sometimes we need to put ourselves into the other person's shoes.
00:03:06.460You know, there might be some disagreements, but, you know, like, we need to have love towards the believers.
00:03:12.160In the UK, and we have a big problem of certain groups, maybe you wouldn't want me to mention them, you know, but they're very hostile towards the believers.
00:03:21.520Physically, intellectually, in all angles, you know, we've seen how they treat the believers, how they treat the Muslims.
00:03:28.520And with me, it's not like that, you know, just because I disagreed with Brother Gabriel on a certain subject, I don't automatically be like, oh, you know, I don't like this guy.
00:03:35.540And, you know, and we have this attitude, you know, sadly, the lifestyle that we live in, you know, everything is, we replace it easily.
00:03:41.440You know, Amazon Prime, I don't like it, I'll order the next one.
00:03:44.060You know, it's, we have this attitude and we implement it with our friends and Muslims as well.
00:03:48.980He does something to annoy me, khalas, I've never seen any good from him, khalas, he's finished.
00:04:17.640So, I just wanted to start, Gabriel, inshallah, if you can just, just from his, you know, we've discussed it, but maybe just to give a, you know, what happened, you know, et cetera, because you deal with clients, et cetera.
00:04:27.720What happened and then we can maybe just elaborate and educate the Muslim youth on how to deal with disagreements and, you know, where we're coming from.
00:04:35.500Yeah, so, I did speak with Mufti Meng on the phone as well and a couple of other shares have called me and talked and so on and so forth.
00:04:48.540You know, I think good things came out of it and we can see that there's been a discussion around this issue.
00:04:55.640I think people need to understand that there was no nitpicking.
00:05:00.080I was not picking on niching or I was not picking necessarily on Mufti Meng as a figure.
00:05:06.060I was putting or picking on maybe what he was representing and not only in that video.
00:05:11.100There's a couple of others that have been pointed out a few times and it's been over the years, actually, just so people understand the background.
00:05:19.100I don't have anything against him personally or anything like that.
00:05:24.180You know, we gave each other our advice and so on.
00:05:26.680I cannot disclose as to what we talked and whatnot, but we just, you know, kind of give each other's advice.
00:05:32.100Background that I was covering, I reviewed my video yesterday again.
00:05:34.780I know that I was a bit hot and, you know, mashallah, a few different shares told me, okay, maybe you could have said this in a different tone and so on.
00:05:41.840Obviously, these days, it is sensitive.
00:05:48.300I think my tone sometimes I get a bit passionate.
00:05:50.420But, you know, also you have to understand when you deal with, you know, people from all over who are falling into this trap of, and I'm not saying he's putting that trap for anyone else.
00:06:01.760What I'm saying is there is a trap out there to emasculinize men, to make them more feminine and so on.
00:06:08.000So, when that happens, when you see the products of this, not necessarily that an activity is haram necessarily, you know, this is haram or that is haram and whatnot, is kind of what that might be interpreted as.
00:06:56.940I've been taught by my sheikhs never to disrespect, okay, the people of knowledge and the guys, even if I disagree with them, okay.
00:07:03.580Yes, I know that my tone was a bit tough.
00:07:07.160But, you know, I mean, it is a huge issue.
00:07:12.680I didn't call him as not being a real man or anything like that because I know you've highlighted some of his achievements, mashallah.
00:07:18.720All I said is basically, even if you go on right now through a lot of his videos and posts, that, you know, we should, someone of his stature, of his, mashallah, follower, could be a bit more balanced in posting a little bit more about maybe husband's rights, about respect for husbands.
00:07:37.920Right now I have a case today, this morning, where the woman punched the husband in the face during a flight in the airplane, in the face, man.
00:07:45.580And there's, you know, it's just, I want to be the boss.
00:07:49.360I'm the, you're not a man, this and that.
00:07:51.720And then you'll be like, what does that have to do with this guy?
00:07:56.600I think people restricted it to the knitting and to follow up.
00:07:59.440You know, it's not to do with that, is that I believe we need to bring about this issue a bit more to talk about the emasculinization of man.
00:08:09.860We need to have more activities that are a bit more conducive towards building real men.
00:08:15.320And I think the chefs and the da'is have to talk a little bit more, a little bit more about this, to balance it out, the jokes with, you know, like, you know, the woman is the law, or the, you know, the happy wife, happy life, these kind of things.
00:08:30.540Right, it's good, it's nice, it's cute, and so on.
00:08:32.280I understand that men should treat their wives better.
00:08:34.700There's a lot of bad men out there as well, who men treat their women.
00:08:38.040And I appreciate, you know, the people highlighting those issues and trying to teach men to be softer towards their wives.
00:08:43.900There's no doubt this is a sunnah of the Prophet, but the Prophet, as Ali, you know, also raised, right, that he was fighting battles, he was a real man, he was strong, and so on.
00:08:51.800People made it about knitting, it was not about knitting, it was not about picking on someone.
00:08:57.020It's a bigger issue, it's an issue that right now, if you look and you are to pick amongst the people who are doing dawah, how many people are actually raising some of these issues, be it LGBTQ, and I'm happy that we talked about it today.
00:09:11.000Okay, I know Ali keeps it real in a lot of his videos, alhamdulillah, I've seen it, I've been following Ali for a long time, his post, you know, being on the street there on the ground, right, he's not behind a desk or behind, you know, his lecturing.
00:09:23.300So that I appreciate, you know what I mean, there's a lot of real stuff going on.
00:09:26.260I think we just need a bit more, we need to talk about a bit more real issues.
00:09:31.380And when I talk to Mukherjee, he explained to me as to why sometimes he might not do this and that, I disagree with him, I advise him, and that's pretty much it.
00:09:41.460You know, one thing that sometimes I get hate on as well is, and I think, and this is what I'm trying to understand, you know, the reason why I wanted to elaborate on this topic is because the thing is, the ummah needs to understand that different people give different styles of dawah.
00:10:00.360Yeah, and I believe your one is more like cutthroat, and I believe the ummah needs that, it's definitely something that we definitely need, it's cutthroat, it's needed, and it's, I'll be honest, it's something within my style as well, where I like to be like that as well, I like to be cutthroat sometimes, you know, I like to get to the point, and I think it needs it as well.
00:10:18.220But I think sometimes what happens is, like, I used to, at once, you know your brother, Ummah Issa, a Nasheed artist?
00:10:24.500Yeah, so basically, once I can remember, I was at an event, and Ummah Issa was performing.
00:10:28.140And, you know, his Nasheed style is a bit different, yeah, it's a bit different, and there was a brother, and he was like, oh, look at this brother, you know, this soft voice, feminine voice, and I was like, you're actually backbiting him, you know, you're in front of me, you're backbiting the guy, you know, and I was like, Aki, look, that's his style, it doesn't make it haram, yeah, you might not like it, you might not like the style, okay, I agree with you, you might say, you know what, it's not for me, I can say, some of Ummah Issa's Nasheeds are not for me, some of them I love, some of them, they're not just for me.
00:10:56.480It doesn't make him wrong, it doesn't make what he's doing is haram, like, when I look at the bigger picture, like, recently I got into doing skits, yeah, so for example, I do certain skits, and some people come in and say to me, you know, oh, what is this, is this the dawah, is this, et cetera, and I was thinking, look, my, if I'm using a specific style, yeah, okay, now you might think, and when I mean you, I'm not talking about Brother Gabriel or Brother Eddie, I'm talking in general with the person.
00:11:19.360Listen, if this, if it doesn't fit your style, or you don't like it, or some people say it's cringe, some people message me and say, Brother, you know that was a bit cringe, I said, may Allah bless you, I appreciate it, I know, when I was doing it and watching it, it was cringe for me to edit it, I was, I was cringed out myself, watching myself, but the objective that I was trying to get out, if I, sometimes, you know, we have this thing of, you know, I will fight for the sake of Allah, you know, I will do this for the sake of Allah, well, can we sometimes be cringe for the sake of Allah?
00:11:45.360Yanni, Yanni, sometimes, it's not about ego, it's not about, about what people, I don't care what people think about me, you get it, they can say it's cringe, if I'm doing something that is permissible, and I'm using a specific style in the dawah, I shouldn't get attacked for that, people were attacking me, like, why are you doing this, et cetera, this, no, I said, yaki, is it haram? No, yaki, that's the preference, Yanni, if you don't like it, why are you discrediting what I'm doing?
00:12:07.680Because it doesn't fall into your preference or your style, because some brothers are ragged, they like to start a bit, you know, cutthroat, but if some other dawah is not doing it that way, is it fair, is it fair to have a go at them for not doing it the way you deem it should be?
00:12:30.160Look, the thing is, Ali, the thing is, I never said it's haram, so that's clear, I never said that it's impermissible.
00:12:37.780My brothers brought the issue of, you know, Idris, alayhi salam, weaving, Imam Ahmed, sometimes, you know, he had weaving plates, you know, and so on.
00:12:48.440I said, that's fine, I mean, you know, I think within the first five minutes, I mentioned the hadith of Aisha radiallahu alayhi wa ta'ala about the process and sewing his clothes and mending his shoes.
00:12:58.140In my video, I've mentioned it three times that I checked it in the first five minutes, because I knew that, and still people, that's all they read in the, or wrote in the comments.
00:13:06.280They're in the process and, you know, sew his clothes, I'm like, guys, listen, man, it's like three times I've been checked.
00:13:10.800The thing is, with the different styles, Ali, is Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala tells us,
00:14:23.760But also teaching women how to be a bit more respectful to their husbands, a bit more careful towards their households and their children and so on.
00:14:30.600A bit more aware as to the LGBTQ agenda and what's happening within the schools.
00:14:36.460Because a lot of these people have children in the schools and so on.
00:15:08.700It's just how people might perceive it.
00:15:11.460And is it something that someone of this stature?
00:15:14.480I would just say that he could do a little bit more balance.
00:15:16.700I understand that it's a different style.
00:15:19.300But I think the Prophet ﷺ had the comprehensive style.
00:15:22.540There was sometimes a bit of harshness or strength.
00:15:26.000Let's say firmness, even in the squat pass, to the point that you'll get red and so on when you talk about certain things.
00:15:32.120And sometimes you'll find him crying and his beard wet and subhanAllah, you know, just touching an orphan's head and just dealing with the children.
00:15:39.760It's so beautiful when it just softens your heart.
00:15:42.260You know, that's pretty much what I was trying, what I'm trying to make.
00:15:46.320I think living in the 21st century, the challenges that we are facing right now, 2021, with all the new laws that have been passed by, all the new push, the new curriculum, people just got a lockdown.
00:16:00.000Now, I understand that, okay, spend time with the children.
00:16:03.440But let us look also at other things as well, because there's a lot of issues that we can address.
00:16:09.820And people in power, and that, mashallah, influence, can really influence the people, can really.
00:16:15.440The Indian-Pakistani community has huge problems with da'ari, with abuse, with this.
00:16:21.040Sorry, Ali, you know, in London, I have many of my clients from London, the streets of London, Somalis are stabbing each other, the Pakistanis are stabbing each other, drugs, and so many problems, man.
00:16:30.900You guys have so many issues in that community, subhanAllah.
00:16:34.000And people don't understand what's happening on the streets of London, you know.
00:16:36.720You know, I talked to parents, you know, I had a sister whose son got stabbed, you know.
00:16:41.160The kids were coming to her door trying to stab her in the sun.
00:16:44.240It's not a joke, people need to understand.
00:16:46.580I think a lot of these people might, might having Instagram, Facebook, they might be scrolling and seeing a video of Mufti Mank or whoever, and they'll be like, oh, brothers, you know, let's do this.
00:17:01.080It's not just about let's love each other, but also the Prophet shallallahu alaihi wa sallam says that the sahaba used to ask the Prophet shallallahu alaihi wa sallam about the good things.
00:17:09.240I used to ask him about the bad things, you know.
00:17:21.260Are you saying, I've heard you talk about, like, Gabriel, like, for instance, if we talk about, people talk about the rights, you know, that Islam gave for the Muslim woman, you know, that she is to be honored, cherished, respected.
00:17:37.260You know, and then you quote the hadith from the last, the final messenger, you know, the best of you are those who are best to their wives.
00:17:43.520So, you know, to live with them on the footing of kindness, of mercy.
00:17:49.880But at the same time, are you saying to be balanced?
00:17:52.480Like, you also have, if you're instructing the man there, like many men, like, hold on.
00:17:57.800But what about, you know, if you also, where the righteous women are devoutly obedient and straightened from the Quran, then you also, should you be balanced in quoting the hadith that are also talking about?
00:18:06.420If I would have, if I would have ordered anyone to make Sajda, I would order the wife to her husband.
00:18:11.480Also, you know, just, there's so many about when the woman came.
00:18:14.400These things have to be explained and educated.
00:19:36.020How many are saying, hey, sister, let's stay at home and take care of our children because they're being put into schools for eight hours or in front of a screen now for 10 hours or whatever, and they're being conditioned, you know, and then you're like, what's wrong with my son?
00:19:49.360So, you know, but where is the sheikhs, the sister, da'is or da'at, you know, who are teaching the women to, hey, you know, let's take care of our household.
00:20:02.200Let's, you know, respect our husbands.
00:20:04.100Let's maybe, you know, dress a bit better when the husband comes outside from the fitna that he can actually look at something nice when he comes in because that's his halal.
00:20:11.420But all I'm saying is let's bring back the sunnah, the imbalance.
00:20:15.960If you want to talk about females' rights and empowerment, let's talk about men's rights and empowerment.
00:20:19.900If you want to talk about feminine and this, let's talk about masculinity, right?
00:20:23.520And bottom line is the man is the imam of the house.
00:20:27.400There's no ifs, ands, and buts about it.
00:20:28.840As much as people are going to try to go left and right and back and center, the man is the imam of the house.
00:20:35.060That is not just like I want to beat myself in the chest.