In this episode, Big Bro and I discuss the recent events that have happened in the Muslim community, including the attack on a black Muslim woman in Hyde Park, New York, and the lack of respect for black Muslims in the community.
00:00:00.000Before I make the pros anonymous, I'd like to thank Ali Dawah.
00:00:04.400And I'd have to say to you that I had a very negative opinion of Ali Dawah.
00:00:11.000And I watched a YouTube video when he was getting married and some of the stuff that he went through.
00:00:19.000And I couldn't believe it. I was actually quite touched by something and he became human in front of my eyes.
00:00:30.000The day when I was a kid, I'd like to thank Allah in the world.
00:00:37.000In the name of Allah, I'm here with Big Bro. I haven't been here for a couple of weeks because I haven't been feeling well.
00:00:42.000But obviously some madness has been happening, which we're going to address.
00:00:45.000We're both going to address because we both have a common understanding in certain aspects.
00:00:50.000A few things we're going to talk about today. Obviously, the first one is that can you critique Islam?
00:00:57.000Can you critique Islam? And also we're going to talk about two things that you mentioned about Abu Bakr,
00:01:04.000when he insulted a pagan and said, go and suck whatever, whatever of your God.
00:01:10.000And also the Prophet said something along those lines, which I don't know the hadith, I need to go back and check.
00:01:14.000But I'll just go with what he said. Now, before we talk, obviously you mentioned, let's go back to what happened with Sarah.
00:01:20.000Okay. You know the issue that happened with Sarah and you said that basically because of your ancestors and the things that they went through in this country.
00:01:29.000If you just elaborate, I don't want to take words out of context.
00:01:31.000Okay. Well, you've taken out whatever context.
00:01:34.000Certainly, if you're going to start, you're going to use trigger words like ancestor to make it seem as if I have a particular belief system.
00:01:42.000That's not what we were speaking about initially. Let me just be very clear. Last week, once again, there was another incident with Sarah in the park.
00:01:54.000And during that incident, a particular person said that he's going to rip off his face and he's going to do XYZ, which is very violent.
00:02:07.000He had other people with him to give credit. Some Muslims did jump in and there was I was here with three or four people.
00:02:16.000And I made clear that it was made clear that it seemed as if Sarah was about to be attacked.
00:02:24.000This I say has been growing for a period of time. There is, I believe, a lack of respect in the park towards dark skinned black men.
00:02:35.000And a lot of that disrespect comes primarily from people of a Muslim background, Arab stroke Pakistani background, whereby they have a lack of respect for black men.
00:02:48.000Does this mean all the Muslims in the park? Of course it doesn't.
00:02:51.000But what it does mean is that, from my opinion, is that there is a sizable minority that agrees with this particular action.
00:02:58.000My view was very clear because I've seen what's built up over a period of time.
00:03:04.000I made clear that the law states that you are allowed to use reasonable force in defence of yourself and others.
00:03:12.000I made clear that if Sarah was attacked, I don't care what the odds are, we're going to battle it out.
00:03:18.000Because seemingly there are people in the park that believe that they have a right to tell grown adults, grown adults, grown men, what they should say, how they should say it, when they should say it.
00:03:32.000And if they don't say it in the way that it's acceptable to them, then there is a chance that there will be violence.
00:03:39.000I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with anybody who takes that position.
00:03:44.000My position is very clear. I will defend Muslims, Christians, atheists, black or white in this park if they have an opinion.
00:03:54.000And they, for me, as grown adults, they are allowed to voice their opinion.
00:03:58.000In this country, there is a very small patch of land, perhaps about two, possibly three acres within Hyde Park,
00:04:06.000where on a Sunday for the past 150 years, people have been able to come down and say whatever they like.
00:04:15.000You also, though, you also, though, even though they can say what they like, you also have the choice not to listen to what they have to say.
00:04:24.000You could walk them out. You don't have to hear what's being said.
00:04:28.000There is a small minority of Muslims that believe that they do not want to accept this, that they are not going to follow the law of the land.
00:04:38.000And if you, if you make the mistake of critiquing Islam, then there is going to be a problem. I don't accept that.
00:04:47.000Okay, you know, once you mention, there's one thing you missed out.
00:04:50.000The reason I'm saying that is because it comes back to the two questions I'm going to answer about the Prophet.
00:04:54.000You know, you said you will back up Sarah because, you know, you said because he's a black problem.
00:05:02.000No, no, no, no. Can I just say to you? That's not in context, Ali. We can put this respect.
00:05:06.000That's why I asked you to get terrified.
00:05:07.000You want to make your point and then I will tell you how it was made, how that particular point was made.
00:05:12.000If you just made that, the reason I'm saying that is not just to, by the way, not to use it against you.
00:05:16.000It will answer my question. I'm going to, you'll understand, but if you could just tell from your side what you meant by that and the reason you said it.
00:05:21.000Okay. Well, what I said, what I said was that I am very clear that Sarah is my, is my brother.
00:05:30.000Yeah. Sarah is also my black brother. And I was very clear.
00:05:35.000I also pointed out when I said that because some people became triggered.
00:05:40.000Oh, why do you have to mention color? Well, because we have a joint, we have a joint, a shared history, a shared history of discrimination, a shared history of disrespect.
00:05:50.000Yeah. That comes towards dark skinned people.
00:05:54.000But prior to me saying that, what I said to Ali, what I said to Ali was that, look, this is my view.
00:06:01.000I said, if it's Christian, if it's Muslim, if it's atheist, if it's white, if it's black, I will support them.
00:06:08.000Do you understand? If they wish to have free speech, yeah, in the park.
00:06:13.000And even if it was on them, I would also defend them because even though it would look as if I'm defending that individual,
00:06:21.000what I'm defending is the concept of free speech in a world where there is very little free speech.
00:06:28.000Just recently, I came back from traveling to five or six countries in Southeast Asia.
00:06:34.000And once I enjoyed myself in Southeast Asia, the one thing that I was very clear about was, was the astonishing lack of free speech that was in, that was in Southeast Asia.
00:06:46.000So, once they had the appearance of fully functioning societies, there were people who couldn't say what they wished to say.
00:06:55.000I don't wish that to happen in London. I don't wish that to happen in the UK.
00:06:59.000We have something fairly precious here in Hyde Park.
00:07:02.000And if you have free speech, you should have a right, yeah, you should have a right to exercise that free speech.
00:07:09.000Now look, last week when I was speaking, God came up to me and said I was an idiot.
00:07:13.000And I had a laugh with him when he called me an idiot.
00:07:16.000Do you know the reason why? He has a right to call me an idiot. He has a right.
00:07:19.000This is Hyde Park. This is not out on the street. He has a right to call me an idiot.
00:07:23.000Well, I don't agree with you. I think you're talking fart. He has a right to say that.
00:07:27.000But guess what? I also have a right to answer him when the laughter has died down.
00:07:32.000So let's now stick to the point and let's see whether or not I am talking fart or whether I am an idiot.
00:07:38.000Do you understand? But my argument is, as I said, I'm very clear.
00:07:42.000I am not for so-called black supremacy, so-called white supremacy, Asian supremacy, Islamic supremacy, Arab supremacy,
00:07:50.000which seems to be what seems to be on the rise. Do you understand?
00:07:53.000My argument is a fairly simple one. Either we have free speech or we don't.
00:07:58.000If we have free speech, who are you to put conditions on anybody who wishes to exercise that free speech?
00:08:06.000It was in that context that I said that whatever happens, where Sarah is concerned,
00:08:12.000it could have been Ali Dawah. Do you understand? It could have been Dawah Digital.
00:08:17.000It could have been my homeboys from content over everything.
00:08:20.000You have a right to say what you say and it becomes very, very dangerous and it's a slippery slope.
00:08:25.000It's a slippery slope, yeah, to a religious dictatorship when people say,
00:08:29.000A, you can't critique us and B, if you critique us, it's got to be done in a way in which we find acceptable.
00:08:57.000Okay, you said that played a role in you saying, for example, even though I testified that he did say,
00:09:02.000be it Muslim, Jew, Christian, whatever, he did say that but the fact that he said Mufsara is because obviously what the black people went through in this country when his father or his father came,
00:09:12.000he said that played a bit of a role in what you said.
00:09:19.000Okay, yeah, I just wanted to clarify that.
00:09:21.000Now firstly what I want to say is, any kind of racism that Muslims say, be it the N word, be it the monkey or this that, to me it's very clear.
00:17:17.000You can only say pagan now with the passage of time.
00:17:20.000But at the time, at the time of Muhammad, when he started, he was the one that was the pagan.
00:17:25.000Because he was the one that was coming with a new religion, which was fundamentally different from the 360 religions that surrounded the Kaaba.
00:17:34.000So let's just be very clear about this.
00:17:36.000There were people, there were people, there were people, there were people at that particular time that had their particular faiths and their particular beliefs.
00:17:48.000It doesn't matter whether you believe it was right.
00:17:51.000They had that faith that they believed that it was right.
00:17:55.000When, I'm not sure, I can't remember the name, it might have been Urquah, Urquah, who came to the Prophet.
00:18:03.000And when he spoke to the Prophet, and he was trying to ask the Prophet not to go to war with the tribe.
00:24:40.000He said, he said it and that man deserved it because this is the reason why these individuals who come and call you a monkey or call these individuals or whatever the N word.
00:24:49.000I, to be honest, would I come and say the same thing?
00:26:21.000He disagreed with what the man said because what the man was doing, quite rightly, was pointing out to Muhammad his lineage in that particular part of the world.
00:26:34.000For me, it was a disrespectful statement, you know, by Muhammad .
00:27:34.000I challenge Ali Dawah to show me one statement in that particular Hadith that alluded to racism from this particular, quote-unquote, quote-unquote, boastful racist man.