Ali Dawah - August 03, 2022


ALI DAWAHS TWIN VISITS HIM - SPEAKERS CORNER


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In this episode, I speak with a young man who has a very similar background to me in terms of his beliefs and views towards religion. He shares his perspective on the matter and how he believes that once you see the truth, you cannot deny it.

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00:00:00.000 I used to struggle reading the Qur'an daily before you instructed me to download this app.
00:00:05.200 I never knew that this app would have such an impact on people's lives.
00:00:08.520 You can go into the description box, click the link for iOS and Android and build your habit with the Qur'an right now.
00:00:18.500 Assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters at home.
00:00:20.460 Hope you guys are well inshaAllah.
00:00:21.300 I'm here with a very, very nice gentleman.
00:00:24.080 He's 21 years old.
00:00:25.660 His name is Hassan.
00:00:26.700 My name's Ali.
00:00:27.440 How you doing?
00:00:27.860 Nice to meet you.
00:00:28.360 Yeah, I'm good.
00:00:28.760 So you come from a very, very similar background to myself.
00:00:32.120 So your family is Alawi?
00:00:33.640 Yeah, same race.
00:00:34.880 Same race.
00:00:35.540 Same race.
00:00:36.660 Your dad is...
00:00:39.500 I can say it's the same as your dad.
00:00:41.220 He's very close-minded when it comes to religious topics such as Islam.
00:00:46.780 Some kind of hostility towards Islam or all religions?
00:00:49.900 Yeah, I'll say hostility because of what he believes has been done to his people.
00:00:54.960 Okay. 0.95
00:00:55.520 He believes his people were killed by Muslims. 0.97
00:00:58.760 Same, same. 0.93
00:00:59.220 Same topic.
00:01:01.020 Okay.
00:01:01.400 That's why he doesn't necessarily like Islam as a whole.
00:01:05.900 Okay.
00:01:06.680 So where do you...
00:01:07.680 So you asked a question.
00:01:09.780 Yeah.
00:01:09.980 So my first question was, how do you objectively verify the Quran or any religious text in general?
00:01:17.840 Because I don't yet believe in the Quran.
00:01:19.940 I wouldn't say I will in the near future.
00:01:21.860 Sure.
00:01:22.500 But...
00:01:23.060 So how would I objectively verify that to believe?
00:01:26.620 Okay.
00:01:27.060 Okay.
00:01:27.680 So objective truths are things that are outside the subjective...
00:01:34.700 subjective reasoning.
00:01:39.720 Sorry?
00:01:40.200 I was trying to help you with your word.
00:01:41.580 I was going to say experience.
00:01:42.400 Yeah, thank you.
00:01:43.920 Subjective experiences.
00:01:45.440 So objective truth is outside the subjective experience of individuals.
00:01:48.860 Yes.
00:01:49.300 Yeah.
00:01:49.540 Thank you.
00:01:50.080 I appreciate that.
00:01:50.860 So the thing is here is that we are looking for objective truth.
00:01:54.040 Now I was just like yourself.
00:01:55.860 Yeah.
00:01:56.000 A young man who was living a lifestyle that many young people live today.
00:02:01.400 But when the truth comes to you, you have two options.
00:02:04.940 You either lie to yourself and carry on living a big lie.
00:02:07.380 Right.
00:02:07.820 Or...
00:02:08.460 But see, the thing with lying, I don't believe you can deny truth.
00:02:14.420 I don't believe in that.
00:02:15.260 You can't what?
00:02:16.040 I believe in undeniable truth.
00:02:18.060 So once you believe in truth, you cannot deny it.
00:02:21.320 Hey, how are you doing?
00:02:21.920 Okay, how are you doing?
00:02:22.560 So I'll give you...
00:02:23.920 So I said, once you believe in truth, I believe you cannot deny it.
00:02:26.800 So a lot of people say, like when they see truth, they can deny it.
00:02:30.260 But look, I'll give you an example.
00:02:31.720 So can you right now for 10 seconds deny your mother never existed?
00:02:36.340 You will never be able to do that.
00:02:37.760 So you can never deny the belief that your mother never existed.
00:02:40.800 Yeah, that is one thing.
00:02:41.360 Exactly.
00:02:41.780 That's one thing.
00:02:42.520 So if I genuinely believe this was the truth, first of all, I cannot deny it.
00:02:47.060 So when people say, yeah, when people say like they can deny truth,
00:02:51.680 the thing is they haven't even seen it as the truth yet to deny it.
00:02:54.440 That's why I believe.
00:02:55.400 Very good point.
00:02:56.100 I actually agree with you.
00:02:57.240 Let's shake on that.
00:02:57.780 So they were just...
00:02:58.460 Either they didn't receive enough information.
00:03:00.920 Okay.
00:03:01.460 Or they won't explain...
00:03:02.660 Like it wasn't explained right now.
00:03:03.860 Okay, good.
00:03:03.880 So when Allah talks about a kafir, when Allah talks about a disbeliever, 0.99
00:03:09.020 Allah is talking about someone. 0.97
00:03:10.700 The word actually means something that is covered.
00:03:13.600 Okay.
00:03:14.020 You know when a farmer covers the seed for it to grow?
00:03:17.120 Yes.
00:03:17.420 Now, the reason why they will enter hellfire is because they know the truth.
00:03:24.860 It's like me saying, my mother never existed.
00:03:28.020 And you're like, how could you say that?
00:03:29.260 Your mother existed.
00:03:30.100 And I'm like, no, she never.
00:03:31.100 You're like, are you mad?
00:03:33.200 Yeah, but it doesn't matter what they say.
00:03:34.480 Do they believe that?
00:03:35.800 No, no, no.
00:03:36.520 The point is this.
00:03:37.120 Yeah.
00:03:37.420 They know that's not the truth.
00:03:39.620 Okay.
00:03:39.960 But they still adamantly...
00:03:41.340 Still denying it.
00:03:42.080 That's the problem.
00:03:42.960 Right, okay.
00:03:43.280 So what they do is they adamantly deny.
00:03:45.820 It's like somebody saying, I deny that I exist.
00:03:49.220 But it's like, well, it's not about I deny it.
00:03:50.860 You know you, it's not about I deny it.
00:03:53.380 Yeah, but ultimately, would that matter?
00:03:55.640 It doesn't matter if I tell it to you.
00:03:57.160 It doesn't matter to us.
00:03:58.300 But what it matters to you is the hereafter.
00:04:00.400 They would lose the hereafter.
00:04:02.240 It's eternal hellfire.
00:04:03.440 Now, let's come to the Quran.
00:04:05.340 Yeah?
00:04:05.860 Okay.
00:04:06.220 Sorry, did you want to say something?
00:04:07.200 No, I wanted to say like, because...
00:04:09.280 So God is testing them, right?
00:04:11.220 Yes.
00:04:11.440 And deep inside, they know it's not the truth.
00:04:14.100 But today, to you...
00:04:15.600 No, no, no.
00:04:15.620 They know it's the truth.
00:04:16.620 They know it's the truth.
00:04:17.460 But they deny it.
00:04:18.620 But see, I said they cannot deny it.
00:04:20.880 Like I said, you cannot deny the truth.
00:04:21.980 No, no, no.
00:04:22.000 It's like me saying, my mother never existed.
00:04:24.260 And you're like, no, Ali.
00:04:25.080 And I'm like, no.
00:04:25.880 I keep saying to you, I'm denying the fact that all that exists.
00:04:28.680 But at that point, it's just delusion.
00:04:30.360 Not delusion.
00:04:31.420 It'll be delusion.
00:04:31.860 This is where the punishment is so severe.
00:04:34.220 Because not delusion, they are willingly denying it.
00:04:38.180 When they know the truth is otherwise.
00:04:39.960 So for example, at the time of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, the Prophet stood behind a specific mountain.
00:04:49.280 And he said to his people, the Quraysh.
00:04:51.800 Yeah?
00:04:52.300 He was denying him.
00:04:53.120 He said, if I was to tell you guys, behind this mountain is an army coming to kill us, would you believe me?
00:05:01.520 They all said, of course we believe you, because we know you to be the truthful.
00:05:06.580 Right.
00:05:06.860 So they're accepting what?
00:05:07.980 That he was known as a truthful person.
00:05:10.100 He had the best of characters.
00:05:12.220 His own enemies would give their valuables for him to look after because they trusted him.
00:05:16.780 Now he said the following.
00:05:18.220 He said, how is it that you trust me when I say to you, there is an army behind me coming to kill us?
00:05:24.480 But when I tell you I'm the messenger of God, you say, no, we deny that.
00:05:28.680 Okay.
00:05:29.160 So the point here is that the issue is with the people that's denying.
00:05:34.220 Because the one that's making the claim is showing an example, an analogy, where he's saying that if there was an army behind this mountain, yes, we believe you, we'll prepare.
00:05:42.420 But the moment I say on the messenger of God, you say, no, I don't want to hear that.
00:05:44.660 So that is the reason why they fall into disbelief.
00:05:48.920 So why you said that is very important is because it shows your sincerity.
00:05:53.800 Because you are very similar to me.
00:05:55.500 Because I had the same thing.
00:05:57.300 I said to myself, if I can say that, if I know that this is the truth, I have to follow it.
00:06:02.980 You cannot deny it.
00:06:03.760 I can't deny it.
00:06:03.980 Yeah, exactly.
00:06:04.560 You cannot deny it.
00:06:05.040 So it shows sincerity.
00:06:06.820 Yes.
00:06:07.040 Now, what I want to say is the following.
00:06:08.580 The Quran within itself, it gives you criterias to see if it's true or not.
00:06:14.920 Okay.
00:06:15.280 Yeah.
00:06:16.760 Now, the first one is that Allah says in the Quran that indeed we have sent this book and it is upon us to preserve it.
00:06:24.680 So he's talking to the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, because the Prophet, when he was receiving revelation, he was trying to utter it fast and try to memorize it.
00:06:30.860 So it's up to the Muslims to preserve it. 1.00
00:06:33.040 No.
00:06:33.440 Allah is saying it is upon him to preserve it.
00:06:35.580 Oh, upon him to preserve it.
00:06:36.620 Yes.
00:06:36.760 Okay, right.
00:06:37.320 Now, this is a kind of a prophecy, if you think about it, because what's happening here is that Allah is telling this Prophet that he will preserve this book.
00:06:46.920 Now, what's very interesting is that at the time of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, many people memorized the Quran, they knew by heart, they knew big portions of it.
00:06:55.200 They had it written down on bones and leather, but nobody actually compiled it.
00:07:00.460 Okay.
00:07:01.320 This happened after the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when he passed away, because there was the Battle of Yamaha, and in the Battle of Yamaha, 0.97
00:07:07.260 a lot of companions who knew the Quran by heart died.
00:07:10.300 So the thing is that God Almighty preserved it.
00:07:14.100 Now, my argument is this.
00:07:16.320 If this was from other than your Lord, Allah says you would have found many contradictions and errors in it.
00:07:21.960 So Allah is now given an open challenge, an objective challenge, saying, put emotions to a side, put your subjective things to a side.
00:07:28.820 Right.
00:07:29.320 Very clear challenge.
00:07:30.760 There is no contradiction and there is no errors in this book.
00:07:32.940 And it's basically a bold claim to find one.
00:07:36.700 Now, that was the first thing that shook me a bit.
00:07:40.340 I said, that's a bold claim.
00:07:41.900 I said, if I find one error, one contradiction, it's done.
00:07:45.780 Right.
00:07:46.020 Okay.
00:07:46.600 And I started that journey.
00:07:47.440 And I looked for contradictions.
00:07:49.500 And I looked for errors.
00:07:50.920 I looked for mistakes.
00:07:52.620 I couldn't find it.
00:07:54.560 So now, to me, it's like, whoa, hold on a second.
00:07:56.700 Now, I have to take this seriously now.
00:07:59.160 I need to take it to the next level.
00:08:00.740 Okay.
00:08:01.040 That's well and good.
00:08:03.040 It hasn't been contradicted, not errors.
00:08:05.440 But that doesn't necessarily make it from God.
00:08:07.640 It just means that it's okay.
00:08:08.800 There's no contradiction and errors.
00:08:09.620 Maybe yellow pages have no contradiction.
00:08:10.700 Yeah, see, that's a good point.
00:08:11.660 Like, you don't know if it's from God.
00:08:12.620 So the thing is, but the Quran claims it's from God, which is the difference.
00:08:16.860 So that's why I started my journey to be like, okay.
00:08:19.760 Now, there are things in here which no man can know.
00:08:25.880 Prophecies.
00:08:26.960 Okay.
00:08:27.460 So now, the thing is, how did they know?
00:08:30.540 Now, we're going to go to Surah Room.
00:08:33.760 Yeah?
00:08:34.460 Let's go to Chapter Room.
00:08:37.640 Okay.
00:08:38.300 Let me just find you that.
00:08:40.220 Chapter, we can read it from here, yeah?
00:08:42.620 So, this is a prophecy in the Quran, Chapter 30, yeah?
00:08:54.460 Okay.
00:08:55.260 So, Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says in the Quran,
00:09:00.940 Okay.
00:09:02.820 The letters are, okay, sorry.
00:09:04.600 The Romans have been defeated.
00:09:07.960 In the nearest land.
00:09:09.660 And they, after their defeat, will be victorious.
00:09:11.940 Within three to nine years.
00:09:14.360 The decision of the matter before and after the event is only with Allah.
00:09:18.260 Before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians and the defeat of the Persians by the Romans.
00:09:22.720 And on that day, the believers will rejoice at the victory given.
00:09:27.220 With the help of Allah.
00:09:28.240 The Most Merciful, the Very Merciful, yeah?
00:09:30.060 Okay.
00:09:30.360 He's Almighty, the Most Merciful.
00:09:31.660 Right.
00:09:31.840 A promise of Allah will give victory to the Romans against the Persians. 1.00
00:09:37.660 And Allah fails not in His promise, but most men do not know.
00:09:40.660 Now, let's stop here for a second.
00:09:42.000 Yeah?
00:09:42.080 God Almighty has given a historical fact.
00:09:48.200 Now, the Persian Empire and the Roman Empire, they were big empires.
00:09:52.300 Yeah?
00:09:52.420 The Persians, there was a war going between them.
00:09:56.520 Yeah.
00:09:56.700 But there was a moment of time where the Persians heavily defeated the Romans.
00:10:02.300 Heavily.
00:10:02.940 Okay.
00:10:03.140 Yeah.
00:10:03.360 So much so that them coming back, let alone that, their survival, their existence is impossible for them to even be existing.
00:10:18.780 Now, when the Persians took over certain lands, they even got Heraclis. 1.00
00:10:23.620 And some historians say that they chained him up and humiliated him.
00:10:27.300 I mean, imagine taking over America and then catching Biden and handcuffing him and humiliating him.
00:10:34.720 And then imagine somebody comes and says, Americans have lost the war.
00:10:40.320 But guess what?
00:10:41.220 Americans in about three to nine years, they're going to come and destroy Russia. 0.99
00:10:45.080 That's a bold claim.
00:10:46.800 And why on earth would you get all those odds against you when you know the situation?
00:10:52.840 That's why there's a historian called Edward Gibbon.
00:10:54.640 He mentions this.
00:10:55.760 And many historians.
00:10:57.220 So the point is this.
00:10:58.780 Why would the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, jeopardize if he was a false prophet, I would have been lab. 0.94
00:11:04.740 Okay.
00:11:05.120 Why would he put all of that at risk by saying, okay, the Romans have been defeated, but the Romans are going to be victorious.
00:11:14.160 Hold on a second, Bob.
00:11:16.260 What is expected is what?
00:11:18.080 The Persians have won and the Persians will still stay victorious. 1.00
00:11:21.820 He says the opposite.
00:11:22.980 Now, the funny thing, which is very interesting, is that Allah also said that the believers will rejoice.
00:11:30.840 History shows that the Romans defeated the Persians.
00:11:35.260 They came back after a certain amount of time, within that time period, and they beat the Persians. 0.99
00:11:43.280 Okay.
00:11:43.480 So, I want to know from you, Hassan, how?
00:11:49.220 Why would he make that claim, number one, jeopardizing his prophethood?
00:11:52.380 And by the way, it's from the Quran.
00:11:55.020 Okay.
00:11:55.420 It's from Allah.
00:11:56.020 And it's not from the Prophet.
00:11:56.820 It's from the Prophet.
00:11:57.800 But the Prophet is telling them.
00:11:59.720 So the promise is from Allah.
00:12:01.220 So if he's a, I would have been a false prophet, why would he jeopardize it, number one?
00:12:05.700 And how did it come true?
00:12:07.340 Okay.
00:12:09.080 Okay.
00:12:09.500 So you said, why would he make that claim in the first place?
00:12:11.780 To jeopardize that as a prophet?
00:12:13.080 Yes.
00:12:13.300 So the thing is, how do we know he was the one that made that claim?
00:12:18.560 No, the Quran.
00:12:20.160 Okay.
00:12:20.640 But yeah, because you believe the Quran is compiled from Prophet Muhammad.
00:12:25.960 Right?
00:12:26.780 But I don't believe that.
00:12:28.880 So how would you prove to me that he did say that?
00:12:31.280 Oh, okay.
00:12:31.680 Yeah, that's fine.
00:12:32.160 We have channel transmission.
00:12:33.060 So we have something called the science of hadith.
00:12:35.200 So for example, the Quran.
00:12:37.340 So what you're seeing is number one.
00:12:38.400 Before we even go to that, you want to verify.
00:12:40.520 That it was actually Prophet Muhammad.
00:12:41.660 That it wasn't written, let's say, a hundred years after him.
00:12:44.560 Yeah, exactly.
00:12:45.200 Okay.
00:12:45.640 Okay.
00:12:45.800 Good question.
00:12:46.280 Okay.
00:12:46.480 So now we have something called the science of hadith.
00:12:48.940 Number one.
00:12:49.620 Okay.
00:12:50.880 The Quran, when it was sent, yeah, it will have to be a mass conspiracy for it to be what 0.99
00:12:57.300 you claim it to be.
00:12:58.220 Because number one, we have Quran's holy oaths from the time that they back, common date
00:13:04.100 back to the time of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. 0.99
00:13:06.080 Yeah?
00:13:06.560 Okay.
00:13:06.780 Number one.
00:13:07.560 Number two, we have a chain of transmission.
00:13:09.980 Meaning, for example, do you believe in testimony?
00:13:12.840 But wait, sorry, I cut you off.
00:13:14.540 You said you believe there's Quran's like carbon date back to Prophet Muhammad, right?
00:13:18.120 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:18.440 But wasn't they verbally transmitted?
00:13:21.020 No, no.
00:13:21.280 There's two ways.
00:13:21.900 Number one, verbally, oral tradition, and written.
00:13:24.740 Yeah, but you said the verbal transmission is the most, it's the purest form, right?
00:13:28.440 Yeah, of course.
00:13:28.600 So, what if the written transmission is corrupt at the time?
00:13:32.620 That's fine.
00:13:33.060 We still have oral transmission.
00:13:34.940 One backs up the other.
00:13:36.540 What I recite, you look at the text.
00:13:38.280 When I read the Quran, my teachers will look at the text.
00:13:40.800 Or I will look at it.
00:13:41.520 When somebody's reading, to verify is what he's pronouncing the same as what I'm reading.
00:13:45.140 They both aid each other.
00:13:46.340 But the oral transmission is the actual form of the Quran.
00:13:48.940 That is what is recited.
00:13:50.020 Yes.
00:13:50.180 So, now, do you believe in testimony?
00:13:54.920 What is...
00:13:55.680 Testimony.
00:13:56.380 Like, for example, how do you know China exists?
00:13:58.800 Have you been to China?
00:13:59.660 No.
00:14:00.180 Yeah, I believe in testimony.
00:14:01.480 How do you know China exists?
00:14:02.620 Testimony.
00:14:03.140 Testimony.
00:14:03.700 Someone told you.
00:14:04.380 Okay.
00:14:04.660 Okay.
00:14:05.320 So, now, the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when he would recite the Quran and say,
00:14:11.080 for example,
00:14:11.880 When he utters this, he has his companions around him.
00:14:23.940 These companions hear and testify and say,
00:14:26.520 we heard the Messenger of God pronounce this just like this.
00:14:32.520 And this verse came down for this.
00:14:34.480 Now, that testimony, we have chains of transmission.
00:14:36.760 My Quran teacher has a chain of transmission from his teacher to his teacher going back
00:14:41.920 to the Prophet Muhammad.
00:14:42.980 An out of.
00:14:44.080 Direct chain.
00:14:45.220 Direct chain.
00:14:46.220 That's why with signs of hadith, we have a criteria.
00:14:48.580 Number one, the person in the chain has to be reliable.
00:14:51.380 Number two, the chain has to be connected.
00:14:53.500 Number three, the person in the chain has to have good memory.
00:14:56.780 There should be no defects.
00:14:58.480 And another thing I forgot.
00:15:02.940 So, what that means is,
00:15:04.160 each person in the chain,
00:15:05.080 So, when we come and say, in Bukhari,
00:15:07.000 you know Bukhari?
00:15:08.240 We have six books of hadith.
00:15:10.380 Yes.
00:15:11.020 Okay.
00:15:11.800 Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah,
00:15:13.760 Nisai, Abu Dawood. 0.77
00:15:15.940 Okay.
00:15:16.220 And another one.
00:15:17.960 Yeah.
00:15:18.420 So, in these books,
00:15:19.820 these are the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
00:15:21.940 Yeah.
00:15:22.180 Okay.
00:15:22.660 So, we have,
00:15:23.580 it's multiple people who are saying,
00:15:26.060 we heard the Messenger of God saying this.
00:15:29.040 Now, with the Quran, 0.93
00:15:30.040 it goes to another level.
00:15:31.000 We have something called mutawatir.
00:15:32.320 So, in every darajah, level,
00:15:36.480 imagine five, six,
00:15:38.960 60 people listening to you saying,
00:15:41.980 I heard Hassan say,
00:15:43.820 the sky is blue,
00:15:44.700 and he pointed with his finger like this.
00:15:46.420 Those 60 people convey it to another 100 people.
00:15:51.780 The 100 people convey it to another 1,000 people.
00:15:54.540 It will be a mass conspiracy to say,
00:15:57.200 that they all came together and did this.
00:15:59.420 Because there will be one person who will come and say,
00:16:00.620 well, hold on a second.
00:16:01.260 No, no, no.
00:16:01.900 Actually, we wrote this 100 years later.
00:16:04.260 So, the Quran,
00:16:05.500 the way it comes to us,
00:16:06.700 and the reason why it's the only scripture
00:16:08.500 that has not been corrupted in the Bible,
00:16:11.160 when you go to the Bible,
00:16:12.040 the Christian is saying to himself,
00:16:13.260 we accept our scriptures are changed.
00:16:14.920 And guess what?
00:16:15.380 Allah says in the Quran,
00:16:16.580 go to those who write the scriptures with their own hands
00:16:18.680 and say this from Allah.
00:16:19.940 So, what the Quran is saying,
00:16:21.520 it's saying their scriptures are corrupted.
00:16:23.700 If their scriptures are corrupted,
00:16:25.180 the Quran is false. 0.99
00:16:26.520 The Quran is prophesying and saying, 0.99
00:16:28.660 both of the Christians and the Jews,
00:16:30.240 for writing the scriptures in their own hands
00:16:32.460 and saying this is from Allah,
00:16:33.940 for a little poetry place.
00:16:35.420 So, what Allah is saying is that
00:16:36.580 this Quran is preserved,
00:16:38.300 and the method that we have,
00:16:39.800 it's quite in detail,
00:16:40.540 I can go into it,
00:16:40.980 we'll take a bit of time.
00:16:41.480 We have this method,
00:16:43.720 a science of hadith method.
00:16:46.500 Science of hadith.
00:16:47.380 Yeah, it's called science of hadith.
00:16:48.440 If we study it,
00:16:49.260 we'll study a bit.
00:16:50.160 So, which will tell us,
00:16:51.100 for example,
00:16:52.120 that each,
00:16:53.340 for example,
00:16:54.000 verse that came,
00:16:55.640 there was witnesses.
00:16:56.760 So, you know,
00:16:57.160 when I told you about the Battle of Yamaha,
00:16:59.540 a lot of people,
00:17:01.320 Quran,
00:17:01.740 who memorized the Quran died, 0.57
00:17:03.740 Abu Bakr and Omar took action
00:17:05.600 that we have to compare the Quran
00:17:07.800 so we don't fall into
00:17:08.500 what the scriptures in the Jews fell into.
00:17:10.440 The scriptures have been corrupted.
00:17:11.480 Right.
00:17:11.940 What was the condition?
00:17:12.800 Here was the condition.
00:17:14.080 In order for us to compile it
00:17:15.820 exactly how the Prophet Muhammad done it,
00:17:17.620 we have a criteria.
00:17:19.500 Anybody that comes and says,
00:17:21.900 I know an entire chapter of the Quran
00:17:23.800 has to have two witnesses
00:17:25.100 that saw him taken from the Prophet Muhammad.
00:17:27.620 Now, look at the criteria.
00:17:30.180 Every, most people knew the Quran by heart.
00:17:32.840 But the criteria,
00:17:34.180 they said that's not enough.
00:17:35.700 We need two just witnesses
00:17:37.520 that saw and heard this person
00:17:40.940 learning from the Prophet Muhammad.
00:17:42.700 No two witnesses,
00:17:43.580 we don't want it.
00:17:44.520 So, the whole Quran was put together 0.97
00:17:46.520 with each companion's community.
00:17:48.560 Oh, I know chapter of the Quran.
00:17:49.660 Off by heart.
00:17:50.380 Okay, good.
00:17:50.760 Do you have two witnesses?
00:17:51.560 Yep, these are my two witnesses.
00:17:52.540 So, there has to always be witnesses
00:17:53.980 down Prophet Muhammad's tree, 1.00
00:17:55.980 like family truth.
00:17:56.820 No, no, not family truth.
00:17:57.740 Or like his follower truth.
00:17:58.280 There has to be.
00:17:58.960 When they were doing compilation of the Quran,
00:18:00.880 they had to have
00:18:02.000 not only the person,
00:18:03.600 a person has to be truthful,
00:18:05.620 not a liar.
00:18:06.400 If he was known to lie,
00:18:08.600 then reject statement.
00:18:09.700 We don't want it from you.
00:18:10.700 Okay.
00:18:10.920 Because you don't want to be a liar.
00:18:11.720 Right.
00:18:12.020 So much so,
00:18:12.660 some of them would even reject it
00:18:13.680 based on bad moral conduct.
00:18:14.940 Arguments say,
00:18:15.380 back in those days,
00:18:16.440 eating while standing
00:18:17.280 was bad moral conduct.
00:18:18.960 Don't say it from this guy.
00:18:20.240 You can't even,
00:18:20.860 his manners,
00:18:21.860 do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:18:22.980 So,
00:18:23.640 the Quran was compiled
00:18:24.660 on that level.
00:18:26.400 So,
00:18:26.860 for anybody to deny
00:18:28.320 that this was not that time,
00:18:29.560 there has to be a massive claim.
00:18:31.340 We have our traditions,
00:18:32.320 we have our signs of adeem,
00:18:33.360 we have,
00:18:33.680 and we know who's in the chain.
00:18:35.360 Yeah?
00:18:35.720 We will know,
00:18:36.080 for example,
00:18:36.580 this is narrated to,
00:18:37.760 like the Prophet Muhammad, 0.98
00:18:38.500 narrated to Omar ibn Khattah.
00:18:39.900 Omar ibn Khattah,
00:18:40.500 narrated to Abdullah ibn Umar.
00:18:41.760 Abdullah ibn Umar,
00:18:42.580 narrated to Ta'bin.
00:18:43.460 Ta'bin to Ta'bin.
00:18:44.380 We have a chain,
00:18:45.340 name by name,
00:18:46.340 who this person was,
00:18:47.360 et cetera.
00:18:48.220 Okay,
00:18:48.480 so that's fine.
00:18:49.400 You've proved to me
00:18:50.400 that what Prophet Muhammad
00:18:52.440 said,
00:18:53.020 yes,
00:18:53.840 has been preserved.
00:18:55.760 Has been preserved.
00:18:56.540 Very well preserved.
00:18:57.280 Not just what he said,
00:18:58.340 what he came down with,
00:18:59.280 which is the Quran.
00:19:00.220 Okay.
00:19:00.440 Quran is separate to the Hadith.
00:19:02.220 So,
00:19:02.680 all of those are preserved.
00:19:04.520 So,
00:19:04.980 the reason I'm saying this is,
00:19:05.860 this statement,
00:19:06.820 is impossible for it
00:19:07.840 to be a conspiracy,
00:19:09.160 that they came and said,
00:19:09.960 a hundred years later,
00:19:11.000 let's write history.
00:19:11.640 What was the history?
00:19:12.420 The Persians beat the Romans, 0.99
00:19:13.660 and the Romans,
00:19:14.020 okay,
00:19:14.180 let's write that down.
00:19:14.840 Okay.
00:19:16.820 Right,
00:19:17.260 okay,
00:19:17.520 so he said two points,
00:19:18.620 he said,
00:19:19.040 no,
00:19:19.260 three points.
00:19:19.780 Yeah.
00:19:19.960 He said,
00:19:20.240 this is,
00:19:21.020 God claims this is,
00:19:22.440 I mean,
00:19:23.160 this claims it's from God.
00:19:24.560 Yes.
00:19:24.900 It says it's from me,
00:19:25.980 and it claims that God has well preserved it.
00:19:29.320 Yes.
00:19:29.560 We have well preserved it.
00:19:31.960 Yes.
00:19:32.520 And,
00:19:33.060 the last thing was,
00:19:35.680 Prophet Muhammad, 0.91
00:19:36.380 I told you that Prophet Muhammad,
00:19:39.180 oh yeah,
00:19:39.480 the words of Prophet Muhammad
00:19:40.320 has been well preserved.
00:19:41.740 Yes,
00:19:42.080 the Quran is not the words 0.99
00:19:43.000 of the Prophet Muhammad.
00:19:44.040 Yeah,
00:19:44.320 I mean,
00:19:44.580 it's not from,
00:19:45.640 but it's from God,
00:19:47.460 through Prophet Muhammad,
00:19:48.360 right?
00:19:48.700 The Prophet,
00:19:49.460 and the Prophet will bring it
00:19:50.120 to the companion.
00:19:50.900 Right,
00:19:51.120 okay.
00:19:51.240 So the words of God
00:19:53.040 is well preserved,
00:19:54.240 essentially.
00:19:55.060 Yes,
00:19:55.320 and also the sayings
00:19:56.080 of the Prophet Muhammad,
00:19:57.540 also preserved.
00:19:58.760 Okay.
00:19:59.980 Through the oral tradition.
00:20:01.580 Okay,
00:20:02.020 so just because it's well preserved,
00:20:04.540 Yeah.
00:20:04.960 It goes back to that same,
00:20:06.460 Yeah,
00:20:06.680 it's not from God.
00:20:07.620 No,
00:20:07.880 yeah,
00:20:08.080 how,
00:20:08.880 does it,
00:20:09.660 yeah,
00:20:09.820 but I know,
00:20:10.260 because just because it claimed
00:20:11.240 it's from God,
00:20:11.960 Yes.
00:20:12.200 and it's well preserved,
00:20:13.120 Yes.
00:20:13.300 does it still make it true?
00:20:15.220 No,
00:20:15.420 but I'm saying to you,
00:20:16.860 I'm giving you an evidence
00:20:17.540 of a prophecy.
00:20:19.220 Okay,
00:20:19.540 prophecy,
00:20:19.820 You said to me first,
00:20:20.740 I want to know
00:20:21.320 that the Prophet Muhammad
00:20:22.660 revealed this.
00:20:23.760 So I gave you the evidence
00:20:24.760 of our oral traditions.
00:20:26.680 Do you have anything
00:20:27.860 for me to look at these prophecies?
00:20:29.360 Where can I find the prophecies?
00:20:30.280 No,
00:20:30.400 no,
00:20:30.460 I'm going through them with you.
00:20:31.500 Yeah,
00:20:31.780 but where would I be able
00:20:32.520 to find all the prophecies?
00:20:33.480 Yeah,
00:20:33.600 I'll give you a list.
00:20:34.400 I'll give you a list of like
00:20:35.480 hundreds.
00:20:36.140 That's fine,
00:20:36.600 yeah,
00:20:36.680 but let's go through them
00:20:37.660 one by one.
00:20:38.380 Right,
00:20:38.600 okay,
00:20:38.740 So the first one is what?
00:20:40.720 The Romans being defeated.
00:20:42.140 Yes,
00:20:42.360 okay.
00:20:42.820 Okay,
00:20:43.360 since now I show
00:20:44.300 that we have oral traditions
00:20:45.320 that show,
00:20:46.900 that show that the Quran
00:20:48.200 was revealed by the Prophet Muhammad
00:20:50.740 peace be upon him
00:20:51.440 to the companions,
00:20:52.680 okay,
00:20:53.500 that,
00:20:54.380 this claim,
00:20:55.840 why?
00:20:56.560 How did he know
00:20:57.300 and why did he make such a risk?
00:20:58.520 Why did he take such a risk?
00:21:00.480 Why did he make such a risk?
00:21:02.000 How could he?
00:21:02.900 And how did he get it right?
00:21:08.180 Hi,
00:21:08.740 I don't know.
00:21:09.400 I don't know why
00:21:09.820 he would make that risk.
00:21:11.540 Okay,
00:21:11.680 what does it say about him?
00:21:12.660 Because the thing is,
00:21:13.600 if I do an action,
00:21:15.900 for example,
00:21:17.240 if a child,
00:21:18.860 not my child,
00:21:19.420 runs onto the road
00:21:20.080 and I jump and see the lie,
00:21:22.440 it says a lot about me.
00:21:23.960 It shows I'm selfless.
00:21:26.720 Okay.
00:21:27.820 Right?
00:21:28.980 Yeah,
00:21:29.400 okay,
00:21:30.160 I don't know.
00:21:30.540 The only way I can think
00:21:31.880 why he would make that,
00:21:32.700 take that risk,
00:21:33.260 Yeah.
00:21:33.920 is because
00:21:34.620 he was so certain of the outcome.
00:21:36.880 How was he certain of the outcome?
00:21:38.740 This is,
00:21:39.280 this is,
00:21:39.740 it's good.
00:21:40.800 But how was he certain of the outcome?
00:21:42.720 Only a person that knows
00:21:44.000 they're speaking the truth
00:21:44.860 is certain.
00:21:46.240 Or someone who's denuded.
00:21:47.180 But what is truth?
00:21:49.200 What do you,
00:21:49.740 not the truth
00:21:50.580 that the Romans
00:21:51.160 are going to win
00:21:51.860 against the Persians?
00:21:54.280 Okay.
00:21:55.840 What's your definition of truth?
00:21:57.940 Because you said
00:21:58.640 this truth
00:21:59.860 that the Romans
00:22:00.560 will defeat the...
00:22:02.400 Yes.
00:22:02.660 Yeah.
00:22:03.480 But,
00:22:04.020 to me,
00:22:05.460 truth
00:22:05.920 is...
00:22:07.660 It's something that's
00:22:09.000 outside
00:22:09.600 the subjective...
00:22:11.060 Truth is what the facts are.
00:22:12.460 That's how I see truth.
00:22:13.200 Exactly.
00:22:13.440 It's an undeniable fact.
00:22:15.400 Yeah.
00:22:16.760 Okay,
00:22:17.120 so...
00:22:17.340 So,
00:22:17.660 okay,
00:22:17.880 so what I'm saying is
00:22:18.600 when he made this claim,
00:22:19.940 is that a truth?
00:22:22.260 Okay,
00:22:22.760 so what is truth?
00:22:23.760 First of all,
00:22:24.260 the truth
00:22:24.820 is what the facts are,
00:22:25.860 right?
00:22:26.460 And a fact,
00:22:27.520 right?
00:22:28.240 A fact is information
00:22:29.320 that is objectively...
00:22:31.460 It can objectively be verified.
00:22:33.480 Okay.
00:22:34.000 Right?
00:22:34.420 Yes.
00:22:35.180 So,
00:22:35.640 can this information
00:22:36.980 be objectively verified?
00:22:38.520 Yeah,
00:22:38.660 but that's what I'm saying.
00:22:39.960 When you say objectively verified...
00:22:41.300 Like,
00:22:41.760 objective verification.
00:22:42.800 Look,
00:22:43.020 I can...
00:22:43.920 In science,
00:22:44.780 for example,
00:22:45.340 right?
00:22:46.000 I can do many tests.
00:22:47.840 Yeah.
00:22:48.560 Right?
00:22:48.820 I can do many tests
00:22:49.680 and experiments.
00:22:50.580 Yeah.
00:22:51.560 And many people
00:22:53.120 can do the same experiment
00:22:54.320 and test
00:22:54.720 to come to the same conclusion.
00:22:56.680 Okay.
00:22:57.320 You can't necessarily do that
00:22:58.840 with this situation.
00:23:00.460 Right.
00:23:00.660 Do you know what I mean?
00:23:01.860 Why can't you do this
00:23:02.580 with the same situation?
00:23:03.180 Because even though...
00:23:05.340 Like,
00:23:05.560 okay,
00:23:05.840 so like,
00:23:06.180 let's say you said the example,
00:23:07.540 like,
00:23:07.880 the Romans were defeated,
00:23:09.180 this,
00:23:09.360 that.
00:23:10.060 You don't know the actual fundamental
00:23:14.100 of what happened.
00:23:15.840 Why do I need to know the fundamental?
00:23:17.420 It's a fact.
00:23:18.280 No,
00:23:18.480 because,
00:23:18.720 because,
00:23:19.460 like,
00:23:19.640 let's say,
00:23:20.220 you can say,
00:23:20.960 like,
00:23:21.100 Jesus was crucified,
00:23:22.660 right?
00:23:23.280 And then...
00:23:23.960 No,
00:23:24.440 I'm just making...
00:23:25.140 I'm just going to make a false claim,
00:23:26.140 right?
00:23:26.540 Jesus was crucified
00:23:27.560 and then the Jews said,
00:23:31.100 oh,
00:23:31.320 you are God
00:23:31.860 before he died,
00:23:32.720 right?
00:23:33.180 We can prove Jesus was crucified,
00:23:35.400 right?
00:23:35.960 I mean,
00:23:36.420 you don't believe that,
00:23:37.440 but see,
00:23:37.780 why don't you believe that?
00:23:38.880 Because there's no...
00:23:39.680 Because there's no truth in it.
00:23:41.580 Well,
00:23:41.720 not truth,
00:23:42.280 it's a claim.
00:23:43.600 Exactly,
00:23:44.140 but this is also a claim.
00:23:45.180 Yes,
00:23:45.580 you have to verify.
00:23:46.340 That's not a claim.
00:23:47.400 This is a reality.
00:23:48.480 There's historians
00:23:49.040 that are non-Muslim historians,
00:23:50.180 like I said,
00:23:50.500 Edward Gibbon
00:23:51.020 and others
00:23:52.140 who have claimed
00:23:52.800 to this historical fact.
00:23:54.460 If that's the case,
00:23:55.300 then we have to deny
00:23:55.940 all historical facts
00:23:57.440 because all historical facts
00:23:58.640 are based on testimony.
00:23:59.780 Nobody was there to see it.
00:24:01.880 So then,
00:24:03.040 it's a historical fact
00:24:04.180 that the Persians
00:24:05.340 defeated the Romans.
00:24:06.360 Right.
00:24:06.540 The Romans came back 1.00
00:24:07.360 and became victorious.
00:24:08.180 It's a fact.
00:24:08.880 Yeah.
00:24:09.340 So now,
00:24:09.960 the thing is,
00:24:10.400 what we're seeing is,
00:24:11.240 how did the Quran prophesize 0.70
00:24:14.140 and why did it find
00:24:15.280 the need to prophesize
00:24:16.120 and put its own
00:24:17.120 reputation at risk?
00:24:25.160 Why would it do it?
00:24:26.500 Why would it prophesize?
00:24:27.420 And if they did,
00:24:28.520 if they done it
00:24:29.100 and it came to be,
00:24:30.000 what does that say?
00:24:31.240 This is just one,
00:24:31.880 by the way,
00:24:32.200 I've got it lined up for you.
00:24:33.400 I've got a lot.
00:24:34.580 This is just one.
00:24:35.100 What does it say about it?
00:24:38.560 Can it be from human?
00:24:41.160 Could be.
00:24:42.020 How?
00:24:42.800 I mean,
00:24:43.440 I've read very like,
00:24:45.340 I've read a lot
00:24:46.280 of philosophical papers,
00:24:48.640 right?
00:24:49.100 That are written by humans.
00:24:50.260 Oh, bro.
00:24:50.920 And,
00:24:51.400 like,
00:24:52.580 you would read it
00:24:53.320 and you would say,
00:24:53.800 how is this from a human?
00:24:55.060 Like,
00:24:55.280 no, no, no, no, no.
00:24:55.920 Like,
00:24:56.520 being amazed
00:24:58.080 is different to
00:24:59.020 seeing a fact
00:25:00.360 unfold in front of your eyes.
00:25:01.840 A very fact,
00:25:02.800 an odd,
00:25:03.880 something that's going
00:25:04.460 to be unbiased.
00:25:04.840 But it's not a fact
00:25:05.780 because it's not
00:25:07.720 objectively verifiable.
00:25:09.360 I can't objectively verify
00:25:10.640 what happened.
00:25:11.140 What do you mean by
00:25:11.260 objectively verifiable?
00:25:12.600 When they say,
00:25:13.100 what do you mean by
00:25:13.500 objectively verifiable?
00:25:14.380 Give me an example
00:25:14.860 so I can say it.
00:25:15.600 I can say it.