Ali Dawah - February 09, 2025


ALLAH GUIDING JOE ROGAN？ - MUSLIM REACTS


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In this episode, we react to Joe Rogan and Stephen M. Meyer's new podcast 'Intelligent Design' where they talk about their views on religion and spirituality, and how they have been influenced by science and technology.

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00:00:00.000 I feel like we're going to do another reaction video in a couple of years time or months
00:00:03.480 where Joe Rogan is actually going to become a theist.
00:00:05.580 With Joe Rogan, for someone to be a celebrity, to have access to pretty much everything,
00:00:10.280 to still be interested in this topic, what does it tell you about human nature?
00:00:13.220 It just shows you the fitrah. 0.74
00:00:14.220 And now people are waking up. Atheism is dead.
00:00:16.300 I mean, if you think about it, it is actually dead.
00:00:21.220 By the grace of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, the response has been overwhelming to say.
00:00:25.600 The very least, alhamdulillah, we've had social media personalities and respected scholars
00:00:31.400 from many parts of the Muslim world promoting the cause.
00:00:35.820 We have raised almost £1.4 million, alhamdulillah.
00:00:40.360 And we haven't been sitting ideally waiting to hit our target of £2 million.
00:00:44.300 We have fully purchased four properties in London, transferred their ownership to the waqf.
00:00:52.120 After the help of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, none of this would be possible. 1.00
00:00:55.240 Without your support.
00:00:56.620 So we thank you once again.
00:00:58.100 This is our update to yourselves.
00:01:00.040 We encourage you to stay tuned for more updates now that the waqf, alhamdulillah, is truly underway.
00:01:06.140 As-salamu alaykum.
00:01:07.160 Welcome to this video.
00:01:08.360 We are going to be reacting to Joe Rogan and Stephen Meyer's podcast.
00:01:13.220 Do you watch Joe Rogan?
00:01:14.400 I don't.
00:01:15.160 I watch like here and there clips here and there, but I've never watched a full podcast.
00:01:18.540 Okay, so I love watching Joe Rogan.
00:01:20.580 I have to admit, I think you didn't expect that when I told you this before.
00:01:24.320 No, you didn't.
00:01:24.700 Very long podcast, but interesting.
00:01:26.980 Very interesting stuff.
00:01:28.080 He speaks about science.
00:01:29.140 And the thing is, he speaks to everyone.
00:01:30.300 Speaks to atheists, speaks to theists, speaks to people interested in aliens, speaks to people 0.55
00:01:35.100 that do drugs. 0.99
00:01:36.360 Everything you can imagine.
00:01:37.760 Politics, everyone left, right.
00:01:39.540 You must have seen his clips everywhere.
00:01:40.800 I've seen his clips, definitely.
00:01:41.600 I've never watched the whole thing.
00:01:42.760 You tell me a lot of drug users.
00:01:44.740 He's into psychedelics and LSD.
00:01:46.040 A lot of drug users.
00:01:47.040 Watch him.
00:01:47.800 You're not one of them.
00:01:48.640 No, I'm not.
00:01:49.460 I'm not.
00:01:49.960 I'm not.
00:01:50.180 And he's had Trump.
00:01:51.760 He's had Elon Musk.
00:01:52.740 He's had, you know, all these famous people.
00:01:54.560 So firstly, why is he interested in this topic?
00:01:57.480 Because everyone's affected by this.
00:01:59.080 Is there a God?
00:01:59.960 Is there design?
00:02:00.800 Is there life after death?
00:02:01.820 Is there spirituality?
00:02:03.100 Are we all matter?
00:02:03.940 No one can escape this, no matter how rich or popular you are.
00:02:06.380 Exactly.
00:02:06.640 And I think Joe Rogan's, a staunch agnostic slash atheist, has been very vocal about, you
00:02:10.880 know, religion being, you know, this or that.
00:02:13.420 He really looks down on it.
00:02:14.320 So to me, let's see, because I really want to see, is he inclining towards being an intelligent
00:02:20.120 design?
00:02:21.100 There have been big shifts in science and philosophy that are putting materialism on the defensive
00:02:26.700 and are opening people to spiritual realities that were not even considered in the late
00:02:34.060 19th century among elite intellectuals or among most elite intellectuals through the last
00:02:39.260 hundred years.
00:02:39.860 But I think that's shifting.
00:02:41.500 I think there's a real danger of being an elite intellectual and all agreeing upon a very
00:02:49.280 specific thing that gives you social credit to sort of espouse.
00:02:54.480 We've seen that in a lot of things, haven't we?
00:02:56.820 Yeah.
00:02:57.180 Yeah, we certainly have.
00:02:58.220 And it's just, there's so many mysteries.
00:03:00.820 And the mystery of design, the possibility of design is so intriguing to so many people.
00:03:07.140 And it means so many different things to so many different people.
00:03:09.960 Like what?
00:03:10.340 Whoa.
00:03:11.060 When I heard that, because I was listening to this three hour podcast, I think I was going
00:03:14.580 to gym, different things.
00:03:15.720 I was like, whoa, like this guy, he's saying the possibility of design is so intriguing to
00:03:21.660 so many people.
00:03:23.320 You know, he, like, I didn't expect him to have that reaction.
00:03:26.800 Also, it's unexpected that he's going to be talking to Stephen Meyer, who's an intelligent
00:03:31.800 design proponent, about his books, about his ideas, about spirituality.
00:03:35.900 And in this clip, he also talks about the danger of being an elite intellectual and agreeing
00:03:41.260 upon basically scientific materialism.
00:03:43.080 Everything's matter.
00:03:43.660 So he's definitely moving away from the Dawkins, new atheism type of scientism.
00:03:50.840 The last point you mentioned, say that again, he's saying what?
00:03:53.420 About the elites?
00:03:54.460 You know, being an intellectual elite, there's a danger where everybody comes together and
00:03:58.360 then they agree, this is reality.
00:04:00.120 And then they blink, they have this blinkered view of things.
00:04:03.940 Okay, basically to say that, because, you know, in science, you can't come and say this
00:04:06.360 is an established fact.
00:04:08.360 There's a lot of like, there's a lot of hypotheses, you get it?
00:04:11.420 And there's a lot of like theories.
00:04:12.820 Fluctuations.
00:04:13.180 Exactly.
00:04:13.920 But also the rejection of spirituality, rejection of God.
00:04:16.860 Exactly.
00:04:17.200 And they speak so boldly.
00:04:18.100 That's the reason why when he was talking about, what's his name, Dennis Noble.
00:04:22.600 Yeah.
00:04:22.780 You know, when he was interviewed by those two young kids, because he's talking about
00:04:26.120 directed evolution.
00:04:28.840 Yeah.
00:04:29.100 Or in the gene, et cetera.
00:04:31.240 So they were talking to him and they were saying, look, you know, we understand you're
00:04:34.140 doing this research, et cetera, but this is going to open the door to believing in God
00:04:38.340 again.
00:04:38.960 And we know that Francis Crick, you know, he spoke about, you know, we leave God outside.
00:04:42.240 Yeah.
00:04:43.320 Whatever you see evolved, it wasn't designed.
00:04:45.320 You cannot bring God into the picture.
00:04:46.960 So it's interesting that Joe Rogan being so staunch and, you know, making it seem as if
00:04:50.400 religious people are a bit, you know. 0.93
00:04:51.520 I mean, a standard American liberal, right?
00:04:53.300 Religions backwards, this, that. 1.00
00:04:54.840 But.
00:04:55.420 Yeah.
00:04:56.000 He's deemed this topic important enough.
00:04:58.480 Because look, Stephen Meyer, all he's known for is to talk about God.
00:05:02.160 Yeah.
00:05:02.620 And in fact, he is the exact opposite of Dawkins.
00:05:05.840 They both come from a evolution background, biology background.
00:05:10.040 Yeah.
00:05:10.140 One believes in God, one doesn't.
00:05:11.440 One's a hardcore materialist.
00:05:12.960 One is a hardcore believer in God, a theist.
00:05:16.020 But he's recommending his books.
00:05:18.080 Exactly.
00:05:18.520 That's amazing.
00:05:19.080 And he's saying it's intriguing.
00:05:20.000 And he also, you know, he talks about it.
00:05:21.520 So it shows that, you know, when someone's really lost, you know, for him to be like,
00:05:25.460 you know what?
00:05:25.680 It's not just the material world.
00:05:27.480 It is a thing of like, it's like an adventure.
00:05:29.540 It's like, oh my gosh, what are the possibilities?
00:05:31.480 What's next?
00:05:32.160 So he's really intrigued.
00:05:33.080 And it shows that I can see him coming to believe in a higher power and intelligence.
00:05:38.220 I mean, with these words.
00:05:39.300 Clearly, he's rejected this type of materialism, hardcore materialism.
00:05:43.340 They both have.
00:05:44.060 Yeah.
00:05:44.180 But that's the first segue into this.
00:05:46.980 So let's see what else they're talking about.
00:05:48.360 Like, what does that mean?
00:05:49.520 Is the universe alive?
00:05:51.200 Is it a part of something that's even bigger than that?
00:05:54.820 Is the universe itself just an atom and some infinite being that is also a part of a universe
00:06:02.820 that's an atom and another infinite being?
00:06:05.260 I mean...
00:06:05.740 This is why I wrote Return of a God Hypothesis.
00:06:09.300 In the first two books, the first book was Signature in the Cell about the origin of the
00:06:14.160 first life.
00:06:14.640 And I argued that the information bearing properties of DNA and the information processing
00:06:20.760 system that's present in even the very simplest cell presents a profound challenge to the idea
00:06:27.160 of undirected evolutionary processes.
00:06:29.160 A mind had to be involved because what we know from our uniform and repeated experience is
00:06:34.420 that whenever we see information and we trace it back to its source, whether we're talking
00:06:37.960 about computer code or a hieroglyphic inscription or a paragraph in a book or information embedded
00:06:44.600 in a radio signal, we always come to a mind, not an undirected material process.
00:06:49.480 The people looking for extraterrestrial intelligence with SETI were looking for information-rich
00:06:56.200 sequences embedded, modulated in a radio signal.
00:06:59.660 And had they found them, they would have concluded, yes, there is definitely an extraterrestrial
00:07:03.540 intelligence.
00:07:04.000 That's profound because he's saying that information-rich sequence.
00:07:06.940 So basically, even when we're looking for, is there life on other planets, we're looking
00:07:09.980 for what?
00:07:10.740 Information, because we know information points to an intelligence.
00:07:13.500 And he's referring here not to people who believe in God.
00:07:17.380 Any scientist who's looking for life, they could be a believer or not believer.
00:07:21.080 That is profound.
00:07:21.940 So he's basically, the logic of the design argument is there.
00:07:25.360 Information, specified, complex, designer.
00:07:28.360 Bro, that's so profound.
00:07:29.140 I'm going to use that in my arguments because basically what that means is whoever you are,
00:07:32.080 when you are looking for life in other planets, like we're talking about Director Panspermia,
00:07:36.580 which Richard Dawkins admitted, you know, there might be aliens somewhere, yeah?
00:07:39.480 No problem.
00:07:40.440 That means in order for you to establish these aliens, you look for what?
00:07:44.660 Information-rich sequences.
00:07:46.240 Meaning, you are looking for information so you can say, ah, there's intelligence.
00:07:50.260 We're saying, duh, what about your DNA?
00:07:52.980 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:07:53.760 You can't make this stuff up.
00:07:54.600 Exactly, and what they do is whenever we use the argument from DNA or this or that,
00:07:59.320 they say, oh, there's bad design or we haven't seen the designer.
00:08:02.620 But when it comes for them to look for intelligence out there, they look for information.
00:08:07.320 So they don't disagree with our logic.
00:08:09.180 They disagree when they know it's going to lead to God.
00:08:11.480 Exactly.
00:08:11.760 That's the problem.
00:08:12.440 That's always been the problem.
00:08:13.400 They believe just like us.
00:08:15.700 The only difference is that they do not believe it's a power, a source of power,
00:08:20.040 an intelligence being that has a will.
00:08:22.080 That's the only difference.
00:08:22.760 Yeah, with Joe Rogan, one thing I wanted to add is,
00:08:26.160 for someone to be a celebrity, to have access to pretty much everything, right,
00:08:30.760 to still be interested in this topic, what does that tell you about human nature?
00:08:33.560 No, it just shows you the fitra.
00:08:34.900 There's that innate going, it's that question we're always asking.
00:08:38.000 Why? Why am I here?
00:08:39.040 Who put me here?
00:08:39.880 It's this, I found this question when I was very young, bro,
00:08:42.400 like deep, deep thought.
00:08:43.640 It's just like, you ask, it's a normal human nature.
00:08:46.520 It's like eating food.
00:08:47.800 You ask the question, why the hell am I here, man?
00:08:50.220 Who put me here?
00:08:50.840 But it's these questions that allows you to find God.
00:08:54.620 And if you've noticed, shaitan's job is to keep you occupied,
00:08:58.520 that you don't have time to think about this stuff.
00:09:00.680 And when you do have those moments where you're like,
00:09:02.560 hmm, hold on a second, actually, why am I here?
00:09:05.080 Where am I going?
00:09:06.060 You know, this is when it provokes the question to, you know,
00:09:09.240 there has to be something bigger.
00:09:10.180 And many people I know have come to Islam and choosing religion
00:09:14.060 and believing in God because of these simple questions.
00:09:16.140 No one has found such a signal yet.
00:09:19.920 But the presumption that information is a decisive indicator of prior intelligence
00:09:25.380 is shared not just by the theists or Christians.
00:09:29.620 It was shared by the SETI people, you know, or ID people.
00:09:33.160 But having made that argument, my readers then wanted to know,
00:09:37.640 well, who do you think the designing intelligence is and what can science tell us about that?
00:09:42.400 And what I do in the new book is look at competing metaphysical hypotheses,
00:09:48.560 theism, deism, pantheism, panentheism, space alienism, and good old-fashioned materialism,
00:09:58.320 and then compare their explanatory power with respect to these big three things
00:10:03.280 that science has discovered, that the universe had a beginning,
00:10:06.840 that it's been finely tuned from the beginning,
00:10:09.440 and that since the beginning, we've had these big infusions of new code into our biosphere
00:10:14.440 that make new forms of life possible.
00:10:16.720 I think theism provides the best overall explanation of that.
00:10:21.860 But I do think it is a completely new day that it's the scientific materialism of the 19th century
00:10:27.860 that's getting weird and exotic.
00:10:30.720 And I think that's a way of saying that there must be something more
00:10:35.220 than just these simplistic materialistic explanations
00:10:38.520 that we have defined as coextensive with science
00:10:42.300 in such that we will not consider anything outside that box.
00:10:46.720 So, you know what's really powerful about that?
00:10:49.700 What's really powerful is he's basically saying
00:10:51.920 when we have scientific materialism, that there's nothing but atoms, right?
00:10:58.280 The way that they have to try and explain all of reality,
00:11:02.860 the universe having a beginning, the universe being fine-tuned,
00:11:05.800 they're being code in life, and life being conscious,
00:11:10.480 and life having intentionality and aboutness,
00:11:13.000 and the fact that we're moral agents, and we have these experiences.
00:11:16.940 When you break down all of this, and you try and break it down in terms of atoms,
00:11:20.200 it doesn't make any sense.
00:11:21.180 And the most harshest reality of this is atheists don't like the consequences of atheism.
00:11:27.880 Because if atheism is true, there is no human rights, there is no morality,
00:11:31.240 there's no intrinsic worth, there is no...
00:11:32.880 Every single thing that we experience, you know,
00:11:35.960 I love this person, I want to protect my child, I want...
00:11:39.720 No, these are just chemical firings.
00:11:41.680 That's all it is.
00:11:42.660 It has no intrinsic value at all.
00:11:44.340 Exactly.
00:11:44.820 I mean, I feel like we're going to do another reaction video
00:11:47.120 in a couple of years' time or months,
00:11:49.000 where Joe Rogan is actually going to become a theist.
00:11:50.680 I think he's going to say, you know what, this is logically thinking.
00:11:53.700 You know, a lot of people decided they follow trends and culture and fashion,
00:11:57.340 and atheism was that it came and went.
00:11:58.900 It was just a fashion.
00:12:00.260 People with insecurities, inferiority complex jumped on it.
00:12:03.560 And now people are waking up.
00:12:04.960 Atheism is dead.
00:12:05.660 I mean, if you think about it, it is actually dead.
00:12:08.180 You know, it has nothing to offer.
00:12:09.600 It's literally not spiritually, not physically.
00:12:11.160 It has nothing to offer.
00:12:12.320 So now people are waking up and to see Joe Rogan
00:12:15.160 heading towards the direction of accepting an intelligent design
00:12:18.920 or even intrigue that the possibility, to me, shows that
00:12:21.820 I feel like we're going to do another reaction very soon
00:12:23.520 and he's going to be like, you know what,
00:12:25.020 there's definitely an intelligent design.
00:12:26.860 Absolutely, absolutely.
00:12:27.840 JazakAllah khair for watching.
00:12:29.140 Please like, share and subscribe.
00:12:30.740 And inshallah, we're going to be reacting to more videos in the future.
00:12:33.320 See you again.
00:12:33.980 Thank you.