Ali Dawah - February 09, 2025ALLAH GUIDING JOE ROGAN？ - MUSLIM REACTS
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In this episode, we react to Joe Rogan and Stephen M. Meyer's new podcast 'Intelligent Design' where they talk about their views on religion and spirituality, and how they have been influenced by science and technology.
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I feel like we're going to do another reaction video in a couple of years time or months
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where Joe Rogan is actually going to become a theist.
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With Joe Rogan, for someone to be a celebrity, to have access to pretty much everything,
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to still be interested in this topic, what does it tell you about human nature?
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I mean, if you think about it, it is actually dead.
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We are going to be reacting to Joe Rogan and Stephen Meyer's podcast.
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I watch like here and there clips here and there, but I've never watched a full podcast.
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I have to admit, I think you didn't expect that when I told you this before.
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Speaks to atheists, speaks to theists, speaks to people interested in aliens, speaks to people
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So firstly, why is he interested in this topic?
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No one can escape this, no matter how rich or popular you are.
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And I think Joe Rogan's, a staunch agnostic slash atheist, has been very vocal about, you
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So to me, let's see, because I really want to see, is he inclining towards being an intelligent
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There have been big shifts in science and philosophy that are putting materialism on the defensive
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and are opening people to spiritual realities that were not even considered in the late
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19th century among elite intellectuals or among most elite intellectuals through the last
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I think there's a real danger of being an elite intellectual and all agreeing upon a very
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specific thing that gives you social credit to sort of espouse.
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We've seen that in a lot of things, haven't we?
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And the mystery of design, the possibility of design is so intriguing to so many people.
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And it means so many different things to so many different people.
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When I heard that, because I was listening to this three hour podcast, I think I was going
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I was like, whoa, like this guy, he's saying the possibility of design is so intriguing to
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You know, he, like, I didn't expect him to have that reaction.
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Also, it's unexpected that he's going to be talking to Stephen Meyer, who's an intelligent
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design proponent, about his books, about his ideas, about spirituality.
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And in this clip, he also talks about the danger of being an elite intellectual and agreeing
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So he's definitely moving away from the Dawkins, new atheism type of scientism.
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The last point you mentioned, say that again, he's saying what?
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You know, being an intellectual elite, there's a danger where everybody comes together and
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And then they blink, they have this blinkered view of things.
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Okay, basically to say that, because, you know, in science, you can't come and say this
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There's a lot of like, there's a lot of hypotheses, you get it?
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But also the rejection of spirituality, rejection of God.
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That's the reason why when he was talking about, what's his name, Dennis Noble.
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You know, when he was interviewed by those two young kids, because he's talking about
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So they were talking to him and they were saying, look, you know, we understand you're
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doing this research, et cetera, but this is going to open the door to believing in God
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And we know that Francis Crick, you know, he spoke about, you know, we leave God outside.
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So it's interesting that Joe Rogan being so staunch and, you know, making it seem as if
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Because look, Stephen Meyer, all he's known for is to talk about God.
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And in fact, he is the exact opposite of Dawkins.
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They both come from a evolution background, biology background.
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So it shows that, you know, when someone's really lost, you know, for him to be like,
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It's like, oh my gosh, what are the possibilities?
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And it shows that I can see him coming to believe in a higher power and intelligence.
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Clearly, he's rejected this type of materialism, hardcore materialism.
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Is it a part of something that's even bigger than that?
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Is the universe itself just an atom and some infinite being that is also a part of a universe
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This is why I wrote Return of a God Hypothesis.
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In the first two books, the first book was Signature in the Cell about the origin of the
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And I argued that the information bearing properties of DNA and the information processing
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system that's present in even the very simplest cell presents a profound challenge to the idea
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A mind had to be involved because what we know from our uniform and repeated experience is
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that whenever we see information and we trace it back to its source, whether we're talking
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about computer code or a hieroglyphic inscription or a paragraph in a book or information embedded
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in a radio signal, we always come to a mind, not an undirected material process.
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The people looking for extraterrestrial intelligence with SETI were looking for information-rich
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sequences embedded, modulated in a radio signal.
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And had they found them, they would have concluded, yes, there is definitely an extraterrestrial
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That's profound because he's saying that information-rich sequence.
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So basically, even when we're looking for, is there life on other planets, we're looking
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Information, because we know information points to an intelligence.
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And he's referring here not to people who believe in God.
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Any scientist who's looking for life, they could be a believer or not believer.
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So he's basically, the logic of the design argument is there.
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I'm going to use that in my arguments because basically what that means is whoever you are,
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when you are looking for life in other planets, like we're talking about Director Panspermia,
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which Richard Dawkins admitted, you know, there might be aliens somewhere, yeah?
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That means in order for you to establish these aliens, you look for what?
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Meaning, you are looking for information so you can say, ah, there's intelligence.
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Exactly, and what they do is whenever we use the argument from DNA or this or that,
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they say, oh, there's bad design or we haven't seen the designer.
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But when it comes for them to look for intelligence out there, they look for information.
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They disagree when they know it's going to lead to God.
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The only difference is that they do not believe it's a power, a source of power,
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Yeah, with Joe Rogan, one thing I wanted to add is,
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for someone to be a celebrity, to have access to pretty much everything, right,
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to still be interested in this topic, what does that tell you about human nature?
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There's that innate going, it's that question we're always asking.
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It's this, I found this question when I was very young, bro,
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It's just like, you ask, it's a normal human nature.
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You ask the question, why the hell am I here, man?
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But it's these questions that allows you to find God.
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And if you've noticed, shaitan's job is to keep you occupied,
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that you don't have time to think about this stuff.
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And when you do have those moments where you're like,
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hmm, hold on a second, actually, why am I here?
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You know, this is when it provokes the question to, you know,
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And many people I know have come to Islam and choosing religion
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and believing in God because of these simple questions.
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But the presumption that information is a decisive indicator of prior intelligence
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is shared not just by the theists or Christians.
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It was shared by the SETI people, you know, or ID people.
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But having made that argument, my readers then wanted to know,
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well, who do you think the designing intelligence is and what can science tell us about that?
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And what I do in the new book is look at competing metaphysical hypotheses,
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theism, deism, pantheism, panentheism, space alienism, and good old-fashioned materialism,
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and then compare their explanatory power with respect to these big three things
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that science has discovered, that the universe had a beginning,
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that it's been finely tuned from the beginning,
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and that since the beginning, we've had these big infusions of new code into our biosphere
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I think theism provides the best overall explanation of that.
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But I do think it is a completely new day that it's the scientific materialism of the 19th century
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And I think that's a way of saying that there must be something more
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than just these simplistic materialistic explanations
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that we have defined as coextensive with science
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in such that we will not consider anything outside that box.
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So, you know what's really powerful about that?
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What's really powerful is he's basically saying
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when we have scientific materialism, that there's nothing but atoms, right?
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The way that they have to try and explain all of reality,
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the universe having a beginning, the universe being fine-tuned,
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they're being code in life, and life being conscious,
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and the fact that we're moral agents, and we have these experiences.
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When you break down all of this, and you try and break it down in terms of atoms,
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And the most harshest reality of this is atheists don't like the consequences of atheism.
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Because if atheism is true, there is no human rights, there is no morality,
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Every single thing that we experience, you know,
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I love this person, I want to protect my child, I want...
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I mean, I feel like we're going to do another reaction video
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where Joe Rogan is actually going to become a theist.
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I think he's going to say, you know what, this is logically thinking.
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You know, a lot of people decided they follow trends and culture and fashion,
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People with insecurities, inferiority complex jumped on it.
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I mean, if you think about it, it is actually dead.
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It's literally not spiritually, not physically.
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So now people are waking up and to see Joe Rogan
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heading towards the direction of accepting an intelligent design
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or even intrigue that the possibility, to me, shows that
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I feel like we're going to do another reaction very soon
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And inshallah, we're going to be reacting to more videos in the future.